gameplay-help

[forest palm]

I don't see the need to overly invest into anything new, unless you are resource rich

[undone plover]

patpat but no confirmation

[proper violet]

Tru, new to game, so thought it was fine

[muted wind]

90% = 15% x 6. so... yes? if that's for a normal fleet.

[boreal wagon]

its 3% more, 60% less, 90% more all multiplied together

[knotty jolt]

can someone pull up the site for fleet building so i can check my gun times?

[boreal wagon]

they didnt touch her or how summosn work to my knowledge

[wind hazel]

/calc

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Calculator for precise fleet reload times by mrlar

[knotty jolt]

many thanks

[proper violet]

How does summons work?

Like I use kurumi, but am I missing something cool?

[knotty jolt]

Summons are just that, summons. Extra bodies on the field

[boreal wagon]

there is a niche scenario where her summons can become immortal

[proper violet]

Oh dam how

[knotty jolt]

Kurumi is just unique cause her's stay on the field and don't time out like every other

[boreal wagon]

immortal from bullets etc that is, kurumi herself still can end them by consuming them

[proper violet]

But don't they have to die for her to consume?

[boreal wagon]

no if she falls below certain HP she consumes them to recover HP

more specifically when kurumi would die she consumes a clone

[proper violet]

Aweeee, does kurumi need special aux or?

[boreal wagon]

shes practically useless without hers yes

[proper violet]

Aux not aug

[boreal wagon]

tho the niche interaction still exists but that doesnt make or break her

oh mb its just regular cruiser auxes

[proper violet]

Have the aug, but not sure how aux work other than stat sticks

[boreal wagon]

the niche interaction comes from the steering machine

[wind hazel]

give her double eva

[proper violet]

The high performance one?

Omg just got it

What is wrong about this one

[wind hazel]

she has sucky gun, and purple sg radar kinda crap

[proper violet]

Any good guns here?

[wind hazel]

give owari the 155, give z23 purple dd gun, give kurumi the twin150 for now

[proper violet]

Does owari not have better options here?

[undone plover]

these are main gun
the other one is aux gun

[wind hazel]

give her one of these

... actually for all your BB

these are all garbage

[knotty jolt]

that one +11 twin 410 tho

[wind hazel]

can recover with 410kai

[knotty jolt]

Me sitting here with so many gold plates in sky pirates

[proper violet]

What was the purple dd gun again?

[wind hazel]

twin120 basic budget

here, some template. ignore yoshino, lazy remove

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

you should start reading this

avoid wasting more plate and coin into lousy weapons

[rain bobcat]

implac can lay rest finally

[proper violet]

Yeah I try to, but some of the info just gets past me somehow

[rain bobcat]

my formi is dealing round about the same dmg as implac on harbiter

[proper violet]

Is it better like this then? Owar on mob fleet

[knotty jolt]

atleast put hood as flagship

[proper violet]

I just feel like when hood is the flag she gets sniped, what is the solution to that?

[knotty jolt]

Hood's barrage wants flagship

[proper violet]

Yeah ok

[zealous root]

What are the chances of Akagi in 3-4?

[wind hazel]

0.75

wait no lol that's wrong

nvm that's correct, 0.75%

🤓 0.75 is 75% still wrong noob

[proper violet]

Friendly fire

[zealous root]

what

[wind hazel]

akagi drop rate is 0.75%, not 75%

[zealous root]

Alr then, thank you

[warm cliff]

do i focus on retrofitting more of my main units while trying to push ch9 or what and also, what's a good level of skills?

[wind hazel]

retrofit nelson, lv10

[tulip tinsel]

all of the skills 10

[wind hazel]

is this just max+1? lol

so we can test lv15 when we're at lv14?

[muted wind]

yeah i was also questioning why they did that. seems like the same level as what you'd spawn next

[wind hazel]

24hr rush later on

[boreal wagon]

kind of, technically its just whatever level you currently have unlocked and sim happens to be free after your 2 attemps

[wind hazel]

truly Questionable Lane

[muted wind]

i'll take being able to actually test fleets the day before

[ivory sigil]

errrrr why did we receive 1k gold as compensate for DAL drop ?

[muted wind]

stage 6 had the wrong gold drop amount at the start

[boreal wagon]

not everyone got 1k its based on how much u farmed stage 6 bc of ^

[wind hazel]

i dont have it wtf

[boreal wagon]

its not in mail

its in the rarely ever used compensation menu next to your username

[wind hazel]

oh under Comp

[muted wind]

probably a good idea considering people seem to not clear out their mail

[boreal wagon]

that and time sensitive things is why they made it when cruise pass had an issue with progress

but they then never actually used it ever again until island mode

[wind hazel]

wtf

[boreal wagon]

-# clearly not fake

[wind hazel]

you got me. actually only 47

[subtle prawn]

I have enough points for UR Exchange, but I have all the shipgirls. Should I bank my points, or spend them?

[wind hazel]

do whatever you want

unless they aren't mlb, and "have all" just means obtained

[subtle prawn]

ok, thanks

[violet grail]

Mine was 1.7k

[ivory sigil]

errrrrrrrr i got 2nd jean lul, the offrate just weird
-# and yeah this isnt genshinchannel

so if i dont have plan to have eldridge soon, im possible to build jean right?

[tidal meteor]

I could have sworn I saw an image of CN's sample comps for YT meta including gear somewhere, but now I can't find it anywhere for the life of me smh

[elfin hollow]

i got 10k and i cleared to 60k points day 1

the amount they gave away wasnt very much

it wasnt that much lower than it should have been

[ivory sigil]

bro fleet and moral on day1 must be 24hours maximized (unless for coalation 4 fleet i think)

[elfin hollow]

i used 4 fleets so i didnt hit morale for a long time

yea

[tulip tinsel]

coalition easy if you played for longer

[elfin hollow]

i think i just clicked auto fill and then changed a few around so it wasnt triple bb

[atomic abyss]

i mean i grinded the bare minimum to get all augments in like, under a day

[elfin hollow]

it wasnt a very hard event

[atomic abyss]

it is clearly meant to be doable for newbies

[elfin hollow]

also i thought this was al general mb

slowmode tricked me

[atomic abyss]

you wont see me in gen much yes

[ivory sigil]

AYO is this u?

That musashi is nut, imma getouthahere

[tulip tinsel]

how dare you use my wife at 1lb only

[ivory sigil]

idk what your musashi did but my fleet vanguard just lose 50% of hp at right beginning @proper violet

[tulip tinsel]

unikai preload

[wind hazel]

learn her skill

[warm cliff]

do i retrofit portland too?

[fiery swan]

do subs gain affection even if you don't call them

[zenith peak]

Guyz r there anymore high AA ships aside from Sandy and Chesh?

[wind hazel]

guam, dezeven, shimanto, gouden, etc

[warm cliff]

i got them all retrofitted (nelson, unicorn, portland), should i be doing something while trying to push to ch 9?

[wind hazel]

+10 your main gun, push ch9

you should be fine

mlb your enterprise

[warm cliff]

my nelson's main gun?

wait what does mlb mean

[wind hazel]

every ship's main weapon

major league baseball max limit break

[warm cliff]

oh okay, is it worth the mats even when the main weapons that i have aren't the best for its category?

[zenith peak]

Well damn uh, elaborate on the etc because I only have Dezeven fron your list

[wind hazel]

you will be using most of them for a long time

[wind hazel]

easier to show what you have than me listing random ships and you end up not having them anyway

[zenith peak]

hold on

[wind hazel]

and what are you trying to do?

[zenith peak]

W13, trying to finish the campaign after 2 years of delaying it

[warm cliff]

alright got it

[sharp socket]

you need more cv in that case

[wind hazel]

w13 is easy. just show what you have, i'll cook you something to use

[sharp socket]

and fighters

[zenith peak]

let me make a thread

[warm cliff]

how do i earn more coins 😞

[zenith peak]

how w13 pls help

[ivory sigil]

[onyx flame]

grind at a higher campaign stage usually 12-4 since thats the one people use to level stuff as well

[tulip tinsel]

push to ch12-4 and grind

[wind hazel]

is this the one?

so many helena

[hollow gust]

How much damage res does she even have that we need Helena

[turbid marsh]

1mil9 ehp

crazy

[hollow gust]

easiest meta my ass

[terse fern]

Is azur lane safe to play on shitty free VPN on PC ? I got perma banned for using a VPN in other mobile games before.

[safe nexus]

what does intercept means for fighter planes

[hollow gust]

why do you need vpn for al??

[hollow gust]

alot o fighter planes have passive intercept in which they launch to shoot down planes

[terse fern]

Discord is banned in my country 😄

[safe nexus]

oh ok thx

[wind hazel]

yes, safe

[turbid marsh]

who says easiest meta?

[wind hazel]

cheeky

[muted wind]

... at least there are no annoying gimmicks, at worst a lot of hp. whether that's easier to kill is a different question

[turbid marsh]

no one can grab that title from

[wind hazel]

well probably just didn't fully mathed it out, it looked easy

[turbid marsh]

very strong meta (algerie)

[hollow gust]

its the gimmicks that make it tanky...

she has a absurd amount of damage res

[muted wind]

yeah but the recent boss gimmicks also liked to just kill you so this is a nice change of pace

[wind hazel]

it's ok i will sg radar her ass and cripple her just like in the anime

[muted wind]

i'll prob give kurumi instead of helena a shot, not sure if her clones will live, but it's worth a try

[hollow gust]

that is fixed by 3 blue equips

i would need to resync my fleet, im only 35/50 for my 2nd meckle gun

[muted wind]

... okay, you know what, yuudachi was not hard either, true

i do actually have 2 meck guns... and dev 30 meck. guess i'll see if she's worth it here. or if soyuz is better.

[hollow gust]

just gonna get powercreep by lexington 2 anyway, thats how these metas have always worked

[muted wind]

shouldn't... lexington II be a CV?

[hollow gust]

So?

[muted wind]

fair enough

[turbid marsh]

uss that's anti medium?

[hollow gust]

USS has always been fine in medium

[muted wind]

yeah until yorktown II

[hollow gust]

Yorktown2 can run LA-9s and Skyraiders. What tf is this revisionism

[potent tusk]

if i forgot to collect my yuudachi meta (had more than 25k, just forgot to collect it), am i doomed?

[sinful relic]

any news on the new UR?

[hollow gust]

just gonna wait 1-2 years, its locked

[muted wind]

bold of you to assume i ever geared yorktown II for anti-med (also her built-in barrages so there's still a bias)

[turbid marsh]

fine, but that route has been blocked by rumey though. unless plan to run york2 lex2 + rumey/lion and get rid of kear

[hollow gust]

her barrage is also rocket fighters, she might be skewedlight , doesnt mean she isnt good. Either way alot of metas gets powercreeped by the preceeding UR

[turbid marsh]

agreed with the second part, but highly doubt they dish out lex2 as anti med when rumey is like 1 year old UR.

[muted wind]

i'd also more so expect that they make her a partner for yorktown II than anything else, but this is also theoretical. we'll see shortly

[hollow gust]

what is this narrative that yorktown is a worst medium CV, her problem has always been her friends cant keep up

[analog tendon]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/equips/id/14480
I don't see this anywhere in Suchi's guides....should i just disassemble it?

[turbid marsh]

its always the kearsage

i was thinking maybe lex2 is replacing kearsage and getting a route into anti-med

[muted wind]

i was arguing there is a light bias, not that's she's bad against med

[hollow gust]

She has the best plane setup for medium , she runs double fighter-db

Yorktown oneshots every single arbiter in the game , including last months medium

[onyx flame]

shouldnt have made 1 in the first place

the rld is very long which instantly kill it

[analog tendon]

got enough blueprints to craft it for 500 coins, figured the mats from disassembling it would be worth that much :V

[onyx flame]

you shouldnt be crafting stuff just to disassemble it

[hollow gust]

tbf thats not that bad of a strat ig you are dirt broke

[onyx flame]

all that work for 1 purple gun plate and -coins lmao

[analog tendon]

Btw, is anti-sub gear like this one worth keeping? Think i've read somewhere that anti-sub gear had become worthless at some point...
https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/equips/id/25800

[gilded carbon]

Keep it

You can not replace that

[tulip tinsel]

afaik you can only get one of those

[muted wind]

not sure who told you that it has become worthless, it's required for late campaign chapters, and sometimes useful in events

[alpine musk]

whats the best emu rn, still mumu?

[muted wind]

generally still recommended here, yeah

[alpine musk]

thanks

[undone plover]

It is actually the opposite
It is pretty much worthless UNTIL ch14 and ch15 and some events
But yeah keep that one
It is unique and cant be obtained again

[glass niche]

This effect once? Reset gague.

[stone sluice]

When is the UR stream? And why there’s people talking about Lexington II?

[plain saffron]

event story + frame, and still speculation

[viscid swift]

the 15th and because Lexington 2 is almost certainly gonna be the UR

[plain saffron]

saratoga 2 pls

[undone plover]

There is a 17th dec JP stream as well

[inland shoal]

Yes, everything after the "Once per battle" is a single effect

[tropic tusk]

Unicorn 2?

[whole crypt]

anything to be aware of for ykm gimmick wise

[turbid marsh]

probably helena 2 XD

please enterprise ue

[ivory sigil]

err i thought we are limit at 200/200 meta boss event per day, the boss probably around lv3 why people discuss lv15 already

[turbid marsh]

is there any need to discuss non-lv15s?

[inland shoal]

Summons = more dakka

[woven star]

There's 2 Enterprises . Technically 3 with lil in dock and one more meta mentions. So which one?

[whole crypt]

so it's one of those kill off summons before boss kills you things?

[inland shoal]

No, summons in our fleet

[whole crypt]

huh

[gilded carbon]

we also have the HMS Enterprise

[turbid marsh]

british one duhh

[gilded carbon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Enterprise_(Royal_Navy)

[south sequoia]

Do we... even have any urs with summons or any relevant ships with summons?
Laffii is the only one that comes to mind

[boreal wagon]

bisko2

[forest palm]

BZ has a summon

[whole crypt]

uhhh whatshername META?

[south sequoia]

So dragon and bunstrikers

[woven star]

That's the second as I said

[inland shoal]

There's also Kurumi as very recent example, Z52 and several more

[gilded carbon]

Rodney M?

[whole crypt]

Kirov?

[south sequoia]

Wait what what's z52's summon? I don't recall

[gilded carbon]

she doesnt have one

[boreal wagon]

thorin is just confused dw

[inland shoal]

Sorry I confused with Duisburg

[gilded carbon]

she summon more bullets per shot?

[south sequoia]

Oh

[whole crypt]

so wait for homework moment

[gilded carbon]

2 shooty Birbs for 15s every 20s

[turbid marsh]

imagine z52 summons like laffey 2, and they all trigger z52's skill

[woven star]

Give me Tempesta in meta fight

[south sequoia]

Meta fleet this time around is gonna be interesting

[turbid marsh]

same attack speed as z52 herself too

[sinful relic]

is there anything worth buying in core monthly?

[gilded carbon]

there is a guide on what you want out of the monthly core-shop but i dont know the bot-command for it

[sinful relic]

thanks, ill wait till someone uses the bot command for it. i guess its time to get started on operation siren.

[tulip tinsel]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://www.azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[gilded carbon]

found it, when in doubt, go to bot-spam and scroll a bit, i guess

[valid forge]

Just got Suzutsuki, should i upgrade her?

Also retrofited laffey recently

[tulip tinsel]

trash dd would only do it for the tech

[sinful relic]

would the top two on the high priority list be any good for nelson?

[gilded carbon]

the shells? Use the white one and nelson special gear

[sinful relic]

im using alabama's aaux hfor alabama.

[sinful relic]

nelson special gear?

wait i forgor to ask, i know it doesnt consume oil but does opsi consume morale?

[tulip tinsel]

white shell + one whatever

[sinful relic]

okay thank you!

[gilded carbon]

yes. Go to your main-page and klick the small button next to the formation-button. Then click on Memento and scroll until you find Nelson and Rodney

[sinful relic]

so this

[gilded carbon]

yes

it should give good stats to her

[sinful relic]

i ran out of upgrades but how does this look (ill get better main gear for her soon but after i max all these out)

[onyx flame]

should +10 that mk6

[sinful relic]

been trying, i had to do alabama's first

[upbeat wagon]

Are ddg's mostly used vanguard only

[onyx flame]

vanguard only

[wild sinew]

so yorktown meta fight require the use of different faction on each slot?

[viscid swift]

What

[hollow gust]

Also cheeky you are a liarrrrrr

[viscid swift]

In my defense

I thought all of it would be additive not multiplicative

[hollow gust]

Stupid fucking 1.9 million ehp

[viscid swift]

seems easy enough

[hollow gust]

The fact that CN suggest Helena means we are kinda fucked

[stark quiver]

easy fight my dick
ima just use pvp fleet and 3 shot

[dire crane]

only dipped my toes into OpSi, any fleets i could make?

[rain vine]

mob
raff - uni - indep
roon - (flex) - (flex)
bb
fdg - lion - nj
agir - traf - ply
cv
shinano - implac - enterprise
ancho - sirius - eldridge

for 4th fleet, i guess just throw in any remaining ships that have crossfleet skills

[dire crane]

any ability timings i should keep in mind for any of the fleets?

[undone plover]

it is more dependent on the enemy than your own fleets
and for CV make sure they are close to each other so they land stuff with implac stop

[rain vine]

i think implac firing second makes it more consistent

[dire crane]

i see

[long pulsar]

So if I am reading these Yorktown Meta skills correctly, does this suggest that we will not want to use carriers at all for the fight?

[onyx flame]

[weary gust]

Hard to tell with the translations sometimes being rough. I'm reading it as you want more friendly units in the area, not less. What counts as the "Sea area" or a "Friendly unit" who knows. Planes might? But they're not in the sea.

[long pulsar]

wasn't there a skill that essentially decreased your fleet's AVI stat every few seconds and there didn't seem to be a way to counter it? I don't have it in front of me right now

[onyx flame]

Its eva and aa

[weary gust]

The only reason I see to prefer BBs over CVs would be her high AA/AVI means less damage taken from planes.

[long pulsar]

oh I misread

[sweet delta]

The reason I see to prefer BBs over CVs is because BBs are inherently stronger

[weary gust]

Yes but I mean in terms of game buff/debuff mechanics.

[sweet delta]

Inherent to Lion, that is

[weary gust]

The whole "friendly units in the sea area" thing is interesting though. Assuming planes don't count, that would be ships with summoning abilities would be preferred

[onyx flame]

Thats if they dont get nuked first

[sweet delta]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uU-t3CrFFpKFrheOUHSNHysDfb86P11OztobBlAWWK8/edit?usp=sharing

[long pulsar]

the evasion debuff sounds insane if it stacks infinitely

[weary gust]

Laffey and Kurumi come to mind.

[long pulsar]

vanguard going to be jelly

[smoky blaze]

Where to get this don’t tell me it’s gone 💔

[viscid swift]

event limited

[smoky blaze]

I might be cooked

[smoky blaze]

When it’s coming back?

[viscid swift]

August next year would be my guess

[sweet delta]

It's gone

[smoky blaze]

I’m cooked

[onyx flame]

It is an en anni event item so yea gotta wait till the next one

[smoky blaze]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[stone sluice]

How relevant Luck is? Like losing 3 of luck because of that Destiny thing some cats have?

[elfin pasture]

hello returner here . pr5 and below is all done. does pr7,8 have anything interesting or should I just finish up pr6 ?

[viscid swift]

I'd do 7 and 8 before finishing 6

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus

[tidal meteor]

Yes, thank you

So many rainbow 76mm, RIP electronics

[upbeat wagon]

I am focusing research 5 for plymouth atm, should I move to 7/8 and wait for coin up?

[undone plover]

how close are u

[upbeat wagon]

22 dev level

[undone plover]

move on yes and wait next month coin up

[upbeat wagon]

do i do 7 or 8

[undone plover]

do u have soyuz?

[upbeat wagon]

Nope

[undone plover]

probably 8 more useful for u

[upbeat wagon]

alr

[analog tendon]

If the best map i can farm is 12-4 is it worth oilwise for me to run the 10h/1200 oil commission during the night? Or would i get better exp return from saving those 1200 oils to do more 12-4 runs?

[viscid swift]

the latter

[tulip tinsel]

You get a lot more stuff from 12 4 than that commission

[sweet delta]

Double the ship exp, nearly double the coins, and more stuff like commander exp and chips and plates

[upbeat wagon]

How much difference is there between farming 12 1 and 12 4

[signal geyser]

Is it likely we’ll get a catch-up for pr7 prints around Jan/Feb next year when we become able to coin dev plymouth and brest? I forget if that’s usually when catch-ups get released

[viscid swift]

yes

[fair lance]

Should be yeah

[signal geyser]

Alright cool, thanks

[sweet delta]

This section https://suchiguma.github.io/deepresearch/auto-search-exp-and-coins/#recommendations-chapter-11-and-beyond

[uneven knot]

sushi i don’t think i caught ur answer from a few days ago but was it worth upgrading the daisen gun to +13 for musashi?

[sweet delta]

12-1 has 3% more exp and 7% more chips but 10% fewer coins. It is extremely easy to level weak ships.

[sweet delta]

Yes it is worth since she is your best BB

[uneven knot]

bet ty

[elfin pasture]

im farming on 13-4 right now. are there better farm spots in ch14 15 ? can I use dead weight ships on safe on those spots?

[sweet delta]

@elfin pasture

tldr no and no

[uneven knot]

besides unicorn who’s the next best cv for mobbing? theseus?

[hollow gust]

Perseus but you don't have her

Everyone else aren't healers like them

If you are grinding then you don't need healing , just use dps ships like enty

[sweet delta]

Independence

[valid forge]

Should i retrofit helena?

[ocean terrace]

as a pure damage CV for mobbing, how much better is Independence than Saratoga? is it significant?

[undone plover]

I dont have numbers for you but indep's kit makes her better in chapter 15
ch14 not sure

[ocean terrace]

currently I'm yet to retrofit Saratoga since I thought I might be able to replace her soon

[woven star]

Independence have nice crossfleet cv buff. Plus her skill reduces first airplane launch so she speed up and asynchron mobing clear

[ocean terrace]

my CVs being: Enty, Origami and Saratoga atm

[undone plover]

sara DB slots are not ideal in ch15 since u want TB and fighter for AA

if u can get indep i would retro her instead of sara

if core data not an issue

[ocean terrace]

yeah don't wanna waste resources on Sara if she's getting replaced soon-ish

[undone plover]

i would say indep is an upgrade in most situations
this was even pre indep aug

[ocean terrace]

well I've got 2 white shells and a black shell, saving up for either a Breguet or Independence next

[undone plover]

get indep
breg only needed in ch15
indep is nice to have for opsi and for ch13-14

[ocean terrace]

alright tyyyy

[woven star]

Btw you have Origami Tobiichi. Not sure how she's good but seems she really can take place of Saratoga

Ofc if you have her augment

[ocean terrace]

I'm currently using her in my mob fleet yeah
Enty for my boss

mob main atm is Kotori, Origami, Uni
boss main is Maryland retro, Enty and Saratoga
I'll probably put Origami in boss when I get Independence and put Independence in mob

if the event UR is a CV then we'll see

[woven star]

Mlb her or at least begin doing that. Cos she sucks without

[ocean terrace]

who independence? I should be able to mlb + retro her instantly with current resources

don't think she requires a retro item so

[atomic solstice]

does the twin 76 rainbow aa have prio on main or vanguard?

[eternal grove]

Who to mlb next?

[woven star]

Wait next UR event ship

[eternal grove]

ok

[woven star]

But probably Raffaello or Trafalgar if next ship suck

[ivory pawn]

Depends on what MLB URs you have too. But just ask again a few days to a week after new UR releases.

[eternal grove]

rest of urs is mlb already

[ocean terrace]

no they're saying it depends on what you need, for example if you have a good mob BB, raff takes less prio

[ivory pawn]

And for all I know your only other UR is Shinano.

[eternal grove]

ahh icic

[fast frigate]

is guam rerun next

[viscid swift]

probably

[undone plover]

if u need AA prio for van
if u dont need AA prio for main

[scarlet cosmos]

so is there no way for me to incorporate them then :(

[flint hamlet]

Am I missing something from this because I'm not getting any chips farming any of the stages from 12-1 to 13-4, is it a low chance drop?

[viscid swift]

I mean you can use her in late game content, just expect to put in more effort elsewhere to be able to make her work

sometimes significantly so

[viscid swift]

I don't remember the drop rate but you shouldn't expect to be getting cogs as a drop even every other run

[flint hamlet]

Damn, alright thanks

chip bottleneck sucks

[viscid swift]

the reason why we advocate for using stronger ships is put simply a lot of people will struggle to clear late game content even with the best of what they have, let along adding an additional unecessray handicap

[viscid swift]

it's just something you have to live with

[sweet delta]

The rate is about 1 in 10 sorties , with the number of chips depending on the chapter

[flint hamlet]

That explains why I'm never seeing them, they're probably showing up when i'm just braindead restarting sets of 3 instead of when i'm looking for them. Honestly, that sucks. Appreciate the response though

[clear harbor]

I usually have my auto set up so that mob fleet takes on escorts and boss fleet takes on bosses. But sometimes that gets reset where my mob fleet is changed to take on all fleets. Does this happen to anyone?

[ivory pawn]

Usually happens when I remove a fleet for some reason.

[undone plover]

according to CN it is around 40 chips per 10k oil so around 40 per 37 sorties

[viscid swift]

yikes

[clear harbor]

Oh! I did that by accident earlier. Thanks.

[forest palm]

wait is this for a specific map, or is this generalized data?

[novel solstice]

Chips are a nice bonus when you occasionally get them, but don't expect to pile up very many.

[forest palm]

me with over 100k

[novel solstice]

If you scroll way down in the pinned posts, there's a chart of average chips per run

[forest palm]

I know

[novel solstice]

w12 gives you an average of 1.2 chips per run, though that's going to be 0 chips 90% of the time, and a dozen of them 10% of the time.
higher worlds have a bigger payout in the 10% when you get some, but it will only be going up to 30ish on the 10% of the time you get them even in w14.

You will be gaining XP for ships far faster than you gain chips to awaken them.

[rain bobcat]

not if you are a chronic 13-4,14-4 grinder

[undone plover]

based off this

[grizzled sundial]

question about yorktown meta , what is this " allied unit " refer to ?

[inland shoal]

Could you be more specific?

[grizzled sundial]

in her description , if say for every allied unit she take more damage , stack up to 12 times

[sweet delta]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uU-t3CrFFpKFrheOUHSNHysDfb86P11OztobBlAWWK8/edit?usp=sharing

Assume they're asking about 12

[grizzled sundial]

Oh the number of ship in your side ?

[topaz smelt]

you can enjoy my meta takes for a week again

[wind hazel]

is riceist finally gonna unfuck helena? find out in the next episode of dragonballz

[topaz smelt]

nah fuck helena

this fight looks pretty easy unless the devs patch shitty code

[grizzled sundial]

i don't have 2 mecks gun and meck herself not fully MLB yet 💀 , given that this boss non stop moving , full IJN CV is out too.

[topaz smelt]

id imagine just about any comp will work if you just have laffii + momo

[sweet delta]

IJN CV is out of medium in any case

And if you don't have the best tech and ships and gear then it's just plug in Helena as it's always been for meta showdowns

[weary gust]

What's BB comp for Y2Meta (or just medium armor in general), Biz/Lion/Meck?

[stark quiver]

What’s a good two shot fleet for the new meta

[rain bobcat]

bb

[sweet delta]

Shinano shoukaku formidable

[stark quiver]

I guess kotori is good

[topaz smelt]

so due to shitty code, i think you can exploit the summons
the skill that removes the stacks has a 3s cd, so you can keep perma stacks if multiple things die at the same time. so running laffii + momo gives 3 summons that lasts 15s every 20s. if they all time out, itll give + 2 perma stacks

[rain bobcat]

yeah

[slate siren]

where do i get more of the general blueprint? why are they so rare?

[sweet delta]

If you mean general "parts" or "plates"
Grind normally, enhance fewer aux gears

[rapid shard]

Working on Wichita META. NJ and Warkai running mk6 with sashi using 410kai. Any major changes i can make or am I maxing out with current tech levels?

[sweet delta]

They're not rare, you're just using more of them. Also grind in chapter 12 because 9-11 or I forgot which chapters drop fewer aux plates

[stark quiver]

I forgot to ask what are good whichitam fleets

[sweet delta]

Lion Eldridge plus 4

[stark quiver]

What were old fleets

I wanna use my hvars

[sweet delta]

Alsace York kear

[stark quiver]

Any specific timings?

[strange fable]

how do i actually farm coins in this game again

[forest palm]

spam 12-4 or 13-4

[strange fable]

kk thanks

[keen owl]

Whats the one round comp or almost for Mama Irisviel Meta?

[topaz smelt]

ask again in a few days, prob nothing certain

[keen owl]

Which ships are good Medium Dealers?

[topaz smelt]

standard bbs

[keen owl]

Im just gonna copy The previous anti medium Comp?

[topaz smelt]

i think anything works if you just have laffii + momo but i need to test

[keen owl]

Are converging CV only good on heavy?

[topaz smelt]

kinda

this fight has a lot of planes so kidna hard to keep stealth

[keen owl]

Oh right the stealth bonus damage

[sinful relic]

with opsi, destroying every ship before the big one is recommended?

[ocean terrace]

is 3 starring hard mode supposed to use so much oil?
first run I'm clearing all the mobs then boss, then clearing mobs and retreating before boss for the 2nd star

[keen owl]

Which Comp is good vs Renown Meta?

[fair lance]

Yes, considering you don't have oil cap unless clearing mode is on.

[keen owl]

My front get melted same with my main

[ocean terrace]

am I supposed to be doing 3 stars in hard mode when I can though? or just clearing it once and running autos

[fair lance]

If you want the 3 star rewards then yeah. You can put it off if you don't need them right now.

[sweet delta]

She's medium armor

[keen owl]

[rapid shard]

I dont bother 3 starring hard stages unless I need the retro pieces for a shipyard ship.

[ocean terrace]

I just like stocking up on purple/gold retroprints, since I know I'll need them soon for Sandy and Independence

pretty sure I have enough for both now but I haven't done the math so

[keen owl]

Which Battleships good?

Is lion good with medium too?

[fair lance]

Lion is good everywhere.

[rapid shard]

Not sure what everyone else does but I rotate each week between Hard 12-1,-2,-3,-4 to build up reserves unless im needing specific hull pieces. Haven't ran into being short mich at all lately @ocean terrace

[strange fable]

like riceist said, standard BB, but if you want some advantage you can look up soyuz. Remember to use med gun

[keen owl]

So im just gonna use my yuudachi comp. But with eldridge and medium oriented guns?

[sweet delta]

You can try your Yorktown fleet

Lion Meck Bisz

[topaz smelt]

iirc that fight was run napoli and force shields

or was that rep idr

[hardy topaz]

This is gonna sound silly, but I had like 19k fuel in my box and I wanted to claim some of it - and it just didn't get added to my fuel count? Does it go somewhere intermediate before hitting my fuel count? Like what's up with that

[strange fable]

open mail, and storage, its stored there

[hardy topaz]

Oh, so it is. I expected it to go straight in there. Thanks.

[keen owl]

Who is meck?

[fair lance]

Mecklenburg PR8 DR

[keen owl]

Still at Dev22

Btw what is this

[forest palm]

it allows you to slot the same PRY/DR multiple times as your secretary with different outfits

[keen owl]

Why is it only hal?

[forest palm]

pretty sure it's any Research Ship, probably defaults to the one you have outfits for

you have to pay gems for more slots, so meh

[fair lance]

You only unlocked it for Halford.

[brave rover]

Yo can someone link me the research suggestions

[fair lance]

Go to a different PR ship and click on skin and unlock the other ones you want.

[keen owl]

I remeber i have like skin on like everyone of them that have atleast one

[fair lance]

You have to claim the slots on each PR ship.

[keen owl]

Oh right

[sinful relic]

two more then i get my UR, was it shinano i was told to get?

[fair lance]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus This?

[brave rover]

Yeh ty

[ocean terrace]

yeah but don't claim her yet, wait for the new UR
you probably don't have enough UR bulins to mlb both

[sinful relic]

got it

i dont have any UR bulins yet, but ill be getting one from BP.

[forest palm]

do not invest in a UR unless you can MLB them, also the next UR is coming up so it's not wise to otherwise spend said UR Bulins

[topaz smelt]

just pull for dupes

[sinful relic]

how do i get UR bulins anyways beside shop and uh BP

[ocean terrace]

free one from the permanent event

[sinful relic]

like i dont assume theres a faster way to get more UR bulins from here?

[sinful relic]

which one?

[ocean terrace]

isn't there one you get for reaching your first 5k protocores?

[rain bobcat]

its from shops, grinding and evemt milestones

[sinful relic]

i think?

[ocean terrace]

yeah this ^^^

[rain bobcat]

5k grinding monthly, 2k from medal shop, 1 every other month from cruise and 1 every UR event

[ocean terrace]

either way it's a permanent event, you only get 1 though

[sinful relic]

got it

should be enough anyways to get my UR MLB

i hope its a vanguard UR

[ocean terrace]

please be a BB/CV

[stark quiver]

How fast can I get 65 meck prints

[forest palm]

maybe a month, maybe less depends on how agressive you want to be about it

[stark quiver]

Full meck focus

[sinful relic]

dont we have like a billion of those URs

[stark quiver]

Yeah

[ocean terrace]

none that I own.

[sinful relic]

own one easy.

[rain bobcat]

its 90% lexi 2

[stark quiver]

Did it confirm to be UR

[ocean terrace]

but I wanna own a GOOD one

[stark quiver]

I don’t mind what hull it is as long as it’s ass
I don’t wanna bother 125/200

[brave rover]

Do I just research the latest pr that is available? I don’t have many blueprints for anyone

[topaz smelt]

ideally you start with fdg and pr 4

[brave rover]

I got fdg which ones from 4? I have some

[ocean terrace]

Agir/Anchorage

[brave rover]

Yeh I got those

[topaz smelt]

like all of them

you kinda want the gear more

[brave rover]

Do you get the gear for researching the ships?

[elfin pasture]

if im 5 prints from the pr6 rainbow gun do I finish it or do 7/8

[topaz smelt]

upto you its fairly non impactful

[brave rover]

When u say this is this the gears you get from the research academy?

[strange fable]

Yeah, Tenrai, triple 305 / aegir gun, bg109

[brave rover]

Ah ok

Should I research more pr4’s then or just research them when I see them in the academy

I just finished researching anchorage

[strange fable]

its generally not recommended to dwell too long, get at least 1 tenrai for your cv, aegir gun for your CBs, then proceed to other tier. But if you are the type to take it slow then be sure to make friend with rng

[topaz smelt]

id prob wouldnt even care much about the tenrai, id go for like 3 rockets, 3 saiuns

anch and agir will prob take you thru most of the game until they release more broken stuff, likely next week
avp is cv fleet core until implac

[rapid summit]

Can the high efficiency plan give double blue light material?

[forest palm]

no, HELP doubles the drops you get, it doesn't double the drops itself

[viscid swift]

I would be against doing PR4 research focus at all these days

[brave rover]

Ooo wait does extra xp event affect the xp the the research ships give

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus
give that a read

[topaz smelt]

@viscid swift how do you expect newbs to get the tech for higher prs

[whole crypt]

whaling builds

[viscid swift]

it's gonna take them 5-6 months among other things just to get enough blue prints to dev 30 them

[forest palm]

there's a difference between researching and developing

[viscid swift]

that's plenty of time to get the tech needed

[topaz smelt]

so youre focusing pr8 and coin pr4?

[viscid swift]

yes

[topaz smelt]

so you just have 0 gear

[whole crypt]

if you can do PR4 though you really shouldn't be far from later series tech wise, outside of a few specific factions that are harder to get ships of

[viscid swift]

well no

[topaz smelt]

you have a singluar meckgun in 5 months and 0 gear to do anything with

[whole crypt]

you just don't have research gear outside of whatever you get through proto core but basic gear and lab are still there

[viscid swift]

The bf-109G is pretty cheap in the lab for one

[topaz smelt]

ords are pretty contested

[viscid swift]

Saiun is expensive so just make due with Ju-87ds and Ryuusseis or Protocore some Saiuns

[brave rover]

I can only get Kansas from pr8 is she good? I also don’t have the ur for the pr7 ship either

[topaz smelt]

find me a way to sync

[viscid swift]

by what really though

[stark quiver]

inb4 457

[topaz smelt]

youll eventually want 457s and tenrais, 155kais, youll want flaps at some point

[whole crypt]

I would say PR4 still isn't a bad series to be doing as a new player but you're not really losing out starting on 8

[topaz smelt]

i dont see what there is to gain from 8 for progression aside meck

[viscid swift]

Meck and Gouden would be the primary reasons

[strange fable]

not sure if you are trying to rush new contents or just steadily progressing campaign, but id suggest going one tier to another first, PR5 got plymouth + her rainbow gun; brest if u need another tank, PR 6 got kearsage for anti light; shimanto; hinden

[topaz smelt]

its like youre stuck for a really long time without a competent fleet while focusing 8

[stark quiver]

pr6 recc

[brave rover]

Fairly sure I have all the ones you mentioned I just don’t have the dev level on them yet

[topaz smelt]

its pretty much saying just pull the next ur to carry you

[stark quiver]

why wouldnt you pull the next UR

[whole crypt]

dev levels is the long part though so start working on it

[viscid swift]

I mean for CVs you're gonna be lacking on reload tech anyway for syncing to something like Helena

[topaz smelt]

its kinda fine with saiuns

[strange fable]

i still suggest to dwell around those 2 tier i mentioned for the blueprints and gears

[viscid swift]

Saiuns won't fix the issue by themselves, not to mention BBs just outperforming CVs generally for new players because they're easier to gear and Lion difference

[stark quiver]

how fast does ap regen
i keep overcapping

[topaz smelt]

just get lion

[strange fable]

1 / 10 mins

[whole crypt]

1/10min

[stark quiver]

bruh

[viscid swift]

also Rice what do you estimate T2 Ordinance Report income per month is?

because I think there might be a disconnect there

[topaz smelt]

16/mo

[stark quiver]

do you know what the gun plate income is /month

[topaz smelt]

idr if thats with or without shop

[viscid swift]

no

I think if you're including the shop that's very conservative

[topaz smelt]

whats your estimate

[viscid swift]

with shop 24 a month at least

[stark quiver]

No to me?

i need that +13 100kai soon

[viscid swift]

why....

[stark quiver]

you know why

[topaz smelt]

how many are in the shop? like 6?

[strange fable]

rice, thoughts on rafaello on subbing fdg in terms of mobbing?

[topaz smelt]

rafs good

[warm cliff]

how does one earn more gold as i pursue ch-9

[viscid swift]

8

[topaz smelt]

depends where tho but i thnk shes just overall stronger, might just need to compensate some clearing elsewhere

[strange fable]

gotcha

[viscid swift]

farm SP5 of passionate polaris in the war archive as much as you can

[topaz smelt]

how did you get your number

cuz i just took my ords count and estimated based on that

[viscid swift]

just counting how manu additonal ords I get from cat nodes and abyssal drops each month

[topaz smelt]

that sounds very skewed and unreliable based on how much c1 you run

[viscid swift]

and I think just 8 additional ones is far too conservative given that you're basically guaranteed to get one from each C6 and 5 Abyssal

[topaz smelt]

cat nodes give near 0

[whole crypt]

might want to be conservative with cat nodes because newer players have shit cats

[viscid swift]

fair enough

[topaz smelt]

my ords count was 1 in 4k ap

also someone needs to fix the wiki

[viscid swift]

good luck, wiki has been slow to update these days

[topaz smelt]

i wonder why

[stark quiver]

you should do it rice

[topaz smelt]

nah

huh saiuns are wrong too

[wind hazel]

lars is the new wiki

[topaz smelt]

other thing being, how do you get gear from opsi when you dont have the gear to do it

[forest palm]

you can get by with box gear tbh

[viscid swift]

yeah pretty much

[forest palm]

seriously this game hasn't moved past 2019 in terms of general content

[topaz smelt]

i prob need to try with a baseline fleet
but i dont think itll be comfy

[forest palm]

willing to bet you can do C4 ~ C6 with the right box gear

[viscid swift]

I mean sure you won't get some of the abbysals

[topaz smelt]

with shitty poverty ships?

[viscid swift]

what are we defining as poverty here

[forest palm]

there's a lot of good free ships nowadays

[topaz smelt]

like baseline player who just got out of handbook

cuz theyre definitely not clearing much on the 1st 2 months

[viscid swift]

I mean yeah

if nothing else by the virtue of the fact you're free to leave, heal in port and come back for most nodes

[topaz smelt]

like whats the best expected fleets for like a 3rd month player

you dont have that luxury for the maps that give loot

[forest palm]

an MLB UR or 2, maybe some gold ships

[stark quiver]

and helena

[viscid swift]

honestley with how frequently URs events occur and how many solid the DAL vanguards were

[forest palm]

like Unicorn alone will carry a player through a lot of shit

[viscid swift]

it's really difficult to say

[topaz smelt]

i dont think a new player has the luxury of bulins to just raise recent event ships

uni can prob carry thru coords but abyss is where they always struggle at

[viscid swift]

you say that but I've seen a number of players in here who started at or shortly before the DAL collab and they've already leveled most of the ships

[wind hazel]

depends whether you wanna take the min amount or more than average luck amount. many people that just started can mlb at least half of the DAL units

[forest palm]

I'd say R4 is doable at least, higher is definitely debatable

[topaz smelt]

ye but thats all theyll have

theyll all in on like 4-5 ships, where half of them are mediocre

[viscid swift]

Tohka, Kurumi, and the Yamai sisters are from mediocre
they're among the best SR vanguards we have

[topaz smelt]

even if optimally using bulins, you might be able to get a decent fleet but idk how far thatll take them with box gear

[deft hull]

anchorage+helena+laffey retro as a frontline carried for me starting out back last may, lion was a bit of a cheat code but wouldn't have been much harder to do most of the content with just NJ

[topaz smelt]

well the rare case of a good event

its often the shop ship + 1 banner ships

do we even count kurumi since we got free dupes, compared to an average scenario

[deft hull]

unicorn retro, saratoga, enterprise can put in a lot of work

[forest palm]

well, 4 new URs, and maybe 4 or so UR reruns a year you're bound to run into a good start as a new player more often than not

[topaz smelt]

maybe 50/50

ig reruns help a bit if you hit

[wind hazel]

if you disregard events, then most accessible good fleet would probably be a moderately strong fleet consisting of something like nelson unicorn independence portland/roon helena +1, which is enough for at least strongholds, and possible r5 abyssals with proper gear. very likely they gonna have 2nd fleet by 3rd month too unless you really taking casual approach and hardstuck somewhere gooning to png

[forest palm]

reruns also do give pull tickets for little to no effort too

[topaz smelt]

dont you just get cucked on any non light abyssal

[stark quiver]

i still do

[deft hull]

non light just bring carriers

[wind hazel]

i think med is doable

[forest palm]

as long as you don't get hit with a Zombie Abyssal it should be doable

[topaz smelt]

with what gear

[wind hazel]

mk6

[viscid swift]

Hellcats, Helldiver, Barracuddas, some Champagne/Flandre guns

[deft hull]

baracudas, purple US divebomber

[viscid swift]

Tenzans

[topaz smelt]

let me just throw some trash into a fight

[deft hull]

even purple versions of the barracuda's go a long way when starting, and the yellow versions aren't hard to get

[wind hazel]

again it's hard to give definitive answer, since event can vary, lucky can vary. some newbies pull more, some don't. some will have musashi by 3rd month, some dont

[forest palm]

turn off tech

[topaz smelt]

lol i cant even get my adapts up

[rapid shard]

I can say from personal experience. First month playing by end of month i was able to clear C5 abyss without much issue. C6 depended on not getting that zombie one. I started during ryza collab.

Using all golds and purples

[topaz smelt]

did you get carried by lion

[viscid swift]

yeah I was going to ask, are you considering this without full adpats

[rapid shard]

Dont have lion.

[topaz smelt]

ofc full adapts, the 1st question to any opsi problem is adapts

[rain bobcat]

[rapid shard]

Only UR I used was a 1-2LB NJ

[rain bobcat]

what fleet are you considering

[stark quiver]

i can say from my experience, opsi is easy

[rain bobcat]

I can run it, I have all my bosses available

[stark quiver]

i slimed all my bosses already

[wind hazel]

[stark quiver]

wait no not like that

[rain bobcat]

tragedy

[topaz smelt]

the problem is more of how economical is it to completely depend on opsi for gear rather than pr4

[rain bobcat]

new UR around the corner and you only got arbiter and yorki to fuck around with

[deft hull]

i wasn't able to full clear it my first month but I was able to get enough mats to get some things that made it way easier going forward

[rapid shard]

Ords are the only thing holding me back from crafting things still at 5ish months in

[stark quiver]

same

[topaz smelt]

when writing guides, you disregard anything upcoming since you want it to work under any situation

[deft hull]

starving of the electric grid things

[wind hazel]

feel like going pr4 is just having short term gain, while going pr8 is more for long term gain.

[rapid shard]

Those too, but I run out of ords more than electronics

[topaz smelt]

whats the long term gain for pr8?

[wind hazel]

since new account will start catching up like 6months~1yr in term of clearing opsi

[viscid swift]

it's the last season to get any sort of catchup apart from anything else

[wind hazel]

having the best AP guns in the game ready for you, when you have the ships later on

[stark quiver]

I probably can get 125 before 200 rite

[viscid swift]

so if someone were to start say Pr8 right vs Pr7 they could then take full advantage of Pr7 catchup releasing in a few month as well as coining for the Pr6 PRs

[rain bobcat]

no

[stark quiver]

[rain bobcat]

120-125 is 1.something million exp

[viscid swift]

which means completeing PR6-8 sooner and moving on to farming dupes of UR gear

[stark quiver]

thats pretty bad

[topaz smelt]

on the other hand they can also just dump for cores

[viscid swift]

you can already get a fuck ton of cores from the older seasons

[topaz smelt]

but also how many pr ships do you actively use

[rain bobcat]

I just say that gouden is technically more use than napoli, and meck is clearly better than nakhimov and also the gun is busted

[viscid swift]

of the modern ones it's mainly just Shimanto and half the DRs being generous

I'd honestley say fuck Pr6 at this point

[deft hull]

anchorage, cheshire, bayard

[topaz smelt]

ive said fuck pr6 for years

[rain bobcat]

dead dead dead lol

[rapid shard]

Thought someone did the math the othet day and meck gun at +10 wasnt much more dmg than a +13 champ?

[forest palm]

PR6 has to be one of the worst seasons overall to date

[deft hull]

dead in what sense, they do great work for me

[viscid swift]

but yeah, you're basically just trying to turn things around to be able to do gear focus sooner after finishing the DRs

[stark quiver]

champ is better in med

[rain bobcat]

gets you to 4 salvos without oath as well

[topaz smelt]

with modern ships, pr5 is catching up there

[stark quiver]

i have oath because im not broke

[viscid swift]

well Plymouth will get coining soon

[rain bobcat]

pvp oather

[viscid swift]

and that season can be disposed of

[topaz smelt]

just in time for another ply clone

[stark quiver]

as expected of mori to react

[brittle minnow]

Guys , is it safe to play in waydroid ?

[viscid swift]

the devs are actually allergic to releasing rainbow CLs

[stark quiver]

i oath everything i like

[topaz smelt]

well anyways when implac goes to shop, its def a full rewrite

[forest palm]

I feel like the worst season is 3 then 6 then 2 after that have fun

[topaz smelt]

imo anything before 4 isnt worth considering

[rapid shard]

You and me both lol im up to 41st oath now

[stark quiver]

emulators are mostl;y fine

[viscid swift]

what's waydroid?

[stark quiver]

linux emu

[brittle minnow]

android emulator on linux

[viscid swift]

is it any good?

[topaz smelt]

is implac going to be in like 4ish months?

[viscid swift]

maybe less, Yorktown 2 gets archived next update

[forest palm]

Azur Lane doesn't care if you emulate, and more or less supports it. it's macros and the like that they shot you for

[brittle minnow]

Im asking if its alright to use android emu

[topaz smelt]

ye is prob a full guide rewrite when that hits

[rain bobcat]

is implac even a rewrite

[rapid shard]

Implac is just the upgrade to AvP right?

[stark quiver]

100% fine

[topaz smelt]

i tihnk you drop pr4 and fdg when it hits

[rain bobcat]

its just gonna go musashi shinano> implac/vanguard>everything else

[forest palm]

more or less

[hollow plank]

Why are meta ships ranked so low like D's ? 😮

[stark quiver]

yeah

[brittle minnow]

okay , just to making sure. thanks

[viscid swift]

Implac's value is kinda dubious these days

[stark quiver]

implac is for the

[topaz smelt]

idk how you run cvs without a stop

[rain bobcat]

like implac has a stop and does more dmg than avp but like she still does cooked dmg regardless

I don't see how it changes pity prio heavily

[forest palm]

relying purely on Eldridge is wild for CVs

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't take her over Musashi

and Musashi's gonna be tying up UR pity for a few months to get dupes at least

[topaz smelt]

i still aint reccing sashi today

nano is still better

[wind hazel]

thats crazy

[viscid swift]

that is a take

[topaz smelt]

you have 1 ship vs a complete fleet

[viscid swift]

what

[rain bobcat]

[rapid shard]

I personally would say Musashi is 110% best pick. She was a massive jump for my account. Shinano is great but sashi was a game changer

[wind hazel]

do you have any idea how hard it is to actually get hakuryu for a new player

[rain bobcat]

pairing with who? shoukaku?

[viscid swift]

I mean, I like Shinano but getting the most out of her takes so much investment

[forest palm]

shokek is a choice

[topaz smelt]

you dont need haku, you can run just any cv dmg

[viscid swift]

on top of the fact Cvs are just harder to gear for new players

[wind hazel]

i'd rather just run indep saratoga lol

[topaz smelt]

pr4 literally gives you all the gear

[rain bobcat]

even when I fucking hate musashi to the end, she kind of just slams dmg regardless

[topaz smelt]

ive prob ran nano more than sashi in the past 3 years

[viscid swift]

it's easier to get and +13 3 guns Rice than 8-9 planes

[stark quiver]

musashi is better in pvp

[topaz smelt]

3 rainbow guns = 9 gold planes

[viscid swift]

also far, far easier to sync with Helena

[rain bobcat]

wdym rainbow

[topaz smelt]

and you gotta spend planes plates anyways

[rain bobcat]

its 360 plates vs 1080 plates

[viscid swift]

Musashi only uses Gold Guns anyway at best

[topaz smelt]

its prob closer to 6 planes cuz dbs

[wind hazel]

i wanna see dmg comparison, musashi nelson monarch, vs shinano+whatever cv you recommending

[rain bobcat]

uh I scrapped nelson so bless, I can't test that

[viscid swift]

an unbuffed Shinano just

[stark quiver]

i can test that
with 0 skill nelson

[rain bobcat]

prob smth shinano shokek avp

[topaz smelt]

if we cope on skk you can run nano avp

kaza is a fairly ez pick up for the comp

[viscid swift]

I mean yeah

[rain bobcat]

also 0 tech CV is atrocious

[viscid swift]

so what you're proposing Aug Shoukaku, Nano, AvP, kaza something like that

[topaz smelt]

i wouldnt touch skk

id run like ark + another ijn

[viscid swift]

what other IJN though

[wind hazel]

💀

[forest palm]

have some fun with Strasser

[wind hazel]

literally noone else

[rain bobcat]

there's no other ijn especially one that doesn't need augment

[rapid shard]

From my dock being in a similar postion. Sashi blows all those out the water for me personally

[wind hazel]

📠

[rain bobcat]

sashi kind of just obliterates competition in pity pool with dmg

[rapid shard]

Plus Sashi just wants a purple gun compared to gold/rainbow planes on nano

[viscid swift]

there's some options yeah but none that are that easy for a new payers to access

[topaz smelt]

cant think of much impactful ijn ships, surely you can just toss filler

[viscid swift]

like, I'm open to being proven wrong on this

[topaz smelt]

so best case is haku, which will def take time

cope case is skk or taihou

[viscid swift]

but I'm sorry Riceist, an unbuffed, shitty tech Shinano in a CV fleet doesn't sound at all appealing compared to Musashi +2 others

[stark quiver]

you are wrong

[topaz smelt]

who are the 2 others

[rain bobcat]

retro or gold BB+monarch or something

[wind hazel]

i can bet my life on musashi nelson +1 filler will shit on shinano+2

[viscid swift]

almost just about any other solid main fleet really

[rapid shard]

I have shit tech but this was against Wichita Meta earlier with 410kai gold tower white shell. All that gear is stupid easy to get

[stark quiver]

how trustworthy is this

[rapid shard]

My Hakuhou Shinano AvP fleet is not putting that much up. Thats with sirus, but im lacking a surplus of gold Med Armor planes so kinda off a touch

[viscid swift]

what is this

[wind hazel]

idk man i see non max exp plymouth and lv120 sirius and i already feel sussy

[viscid swift]

is this some make shift Jintsuu META one shot fleet

[stark quiver]

its wichitam fleet from my man jimmers

[viscid swift]

why would you not use Eldridge retrofit for one

[stark quiver]

because its from a good year ago
wait eld was out for a year i think

[viscid swift]

you have a lot better options than that now

[wind hazel]

feel like jimmy always have some weird fleet to engagement bait on youtube

[stark quiver]

but it takes 🧠

[viscid swift]

just copy the old set up for Kawakaze and Yuudachi but replace Z52 for Eldridge

[stark quiver]

is essex better than enty and will she pull ahead of y2

[viscid swift]

replace Kearsarge with Lion

[stark quiver]

does it need any sync or just afct lion gun

[forest palm]

I forgot how ousted Kears has become

[viscid swift]

just the latter

[stark quiver]

my hvars

[viscid swift]

just run Fritz

[topaz smelt]

welcome to powercreep

[viscid swift]

and Alsace

do you not have the old fleet comp?

[forest palm]

I never expected much from Kears originally, Manjuu hates Hybrids

[stark quiver]

me?

[topaz smelt]

kear was pretty cracked for her time

everyone slept on her for some reason

[stark quiver]

my old fleet comp during og wichitam run was like two turds smashed together so no i dont have it anymore

[forest palm]

to me Kears was only relevant with Yorkii, and a shit ton of HVARs which I found to be ass

[viscid swift]

for the vanguard run like Eldridge, Trafalgar, Plymouth

[topaz smelt]

i ran her along side bbs as as buffer iirc

[stark quiver]

pve has become boring

[viscid swift]

I dunno if it was because I had no oaths but I found her awkward to use

[stark quiver]

i oathed kear to one strike arbiter and never used her again

[topaz smelt]

the only awkward part was shes slow

[viscid swift]

which is why I found her awkward

[forest palm]

Kears basically didn't do enough to change my status quo, and it doesn't help content difficulty hasn't moved much

[topaz smelt]

i found her like a better vanny when you can utilize her kit

[stark quiver]

hold up theres no way i cant one shot wichitam

[viscid swift]

huh

[forest palm]

can being the operative, while Vanny you just plug'd and chug'd

[stark quiver]

[topaz smelt]

well her issues her speed, and her upside is a screenclear, she also does like 2x vannys dmg

im pretty sure ive used her in meta fights before

[viscid swift]

I don't wanna say I told you so but....

[rapid shard]

META fleet help

[stark quiver]

well the idea was to see if i can one shot using old fleets

[forest palm]

still not enough to justify the claim imo

[viscid swift]

Wichita was one of the most inconsistent metas to one shot

[topaz smelt]

i ran her in w15 as well

i thought i had a 100% fleet for that

[viscid swift]

because she did so much vanguard damage and we didn't have eldridge

[stark quiver]

i did have eldridge

i will try trafalgar

eldridge went poof

[topaz smelt]

heres my old fleet

there was a lot of cookery so dont copy it

[stark quiver]

gime me exact reloads

[topaz smelt]

i dont rmbr

[stark quiver]

nice

what are here stop timersa

[topaz smelt]

i think this is the updated one, 20 cv rld oathed

[forest palm]

I assume whatever matches mog's 3rd axe swing?

[topaz smelt]

but mog cancer lol

[stark quiver]

max bb and bbv i assume?

[topaz smelt]

ye

[stark quiver]

i hope it doesnt matter if i use lion gun on alsace

[topaz smelt]

find out

[stark quiver]

[forest palm]

sure you'll know rather quickly

[stark quiver]

on cheekys life it doesnt

[topaz smelt]

btw i didnt build that fleet, other ppl took my og one and added eld

[stark quiver]

Mog isn’t even love 💀

[topaz smelt]

what bbs are even good and accessible now

"good" as in enough to fill a newb bb fleet

[wind hazel]

alabama from medal, pr1 we have monarch

[ocean terrace]

im using kotori from DAL and maryland retro for boss

[topaz smelt]

monarchs an awkward one since itll delay pr progression

but ig if you go sashi, youre skipping pr4 entirely

[wind hazel]

it's doable if you're doing filler while you iron out the faction tech

[stark quiver]

kotori good for pvp

[ocean terrace]

is it cos of her zombie skill, it's saved me a couple times now

[topaz smelt]

@viscid swift so you take sashi and build a bb fleet with her + 2 others, whats the 3rd fleet

[stark quiver]

she also does good dmaage n shit

[topaz smelt]

ngl i still like izumo more

[ocean terrace]

her 2nd barrage laser might be good I see that

[stark quiver]

my kotori isnt 125/200 yet so cant test yet

[viscid swift]

make shift another fleet of what's left, probably CVs

[topaz smelt]

idk if thats any better in the end

[ocean terrace]

this whole debate is about Shinano vs Musashi prio in UR pity right

[crude solstice]

real quick, sorry to interrupt lol. What do the stars under icons represent?

[stark quiver]

limit break level of the ship being displayed

[crude solstice]

Ohhhh thank you!

[nimble cypress]

Is there any generally agreed on best carriers for the support fleet in World 15?

[rapid shard]

That and which PR to focus as a new player

[onyx flame]

ya https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15/

[rapid shard]

Hwan Jah, Illustrious, Indomitable, Essex, Nakh and a few others. Cant remember exact order

[ocean terrace]

ah okay ty, I've been vaguely following along but had to go for a bit in between

[stark quiver]

where did fritz go

[rapid shard]

She's the few others I couldnt remember off top of my head lol

[nimble cypress]

Thanks

[onyx flame]

they prob rmb the ones that was fairly easy to get

[rapid shard]

the ones I have/can get easily

[topaz smelt]

its funny how theres a link to mebots incomplete AA calc

[quartz breach]

Recommended fleet setups for Wichita META?

[rapid shard]

Unironicly just scroll up and there's a few posted

[viscid swift]

copy your set up for Yuudachi/Kawakaze META except slot Eldridge retrofit in

or copy the main fleet anyway

[topaz smelt]

sashi route:
protocore 1 of each ap gun
pr focus 8?
coin monarch
run sashi monarch + 1? (spite?), x?, helena
coin avp, build cv fleet, ark/enty/+1?

nano route:
protocore standard ap guns
get fdg
pr focus 4
coin ?
run avp, nano, + 1 ijn (ideally haku), anch, helena, kaza
pr focus 8
coin monarch?, fdg, + 1 (spite?/enty?), agir, + 2

i got lost help me figure this out

[viscid swift]

I mean, BB focus doesn't necessarily preclude you from doing FDG

[topaz smelt]

Ye but is fdg still optimal

[viscid swift]

like the only 2 points of divergence would be who you pick for UR pity and if you start with focusing PR4 for about ~1 month before moving on to PR8

[viscid swift]

if nothing else that's 3k protocores you can burn from her catchup

[topaz smelt]

idk about reccing to dump dr prints for newbs

[viscid swift]

it's only gonna be 15 more days to get her to dev 30

assuming you buy 10 prints a day

[topaz smelt]

is there even enough oil for full uptime

i actually need a newbs input here

[onyx flame]

it only is if your at chp 12, like when i just reach chp 12 i was barely afloat coing both a pr and a dr while doing research

[topaz smelt]

are you just cucked when an event drops

[onyx flame]

kinda yea always in a constant deficit, thou it also depends what else your spending coins on

imo it not the worse at chp 12 since one 3x 12-4 run basically covers your coin up for dr but that still like 900 oil

but during an event its really strapped trying to pull and get enuf coins for coining

[topaz smelt]

kinda what i expected for the catchup experience

[ocean terrace]

well I should be coining Roon by the time the UR event comes around so I'm looking forward to being poor again

unless I pull the UR early

[onyx flame]

tbh coining a pr isnt terrible but it also depends what campaign stage your at

[topaz smelt]

imo i wouldnt bother with pr until 12

[ocean terrace]

I'm trying to get to commander lvl 80, should be able to within a week
currently W11

[viscid swift]

which is why we reccomend putting PR on the back burner until W12

[ocean terrace]

I've saved up 160k for the event too so far

[nimble cypress]

Who is the better healer for the mob fleet in W15? Unicorn or Perseus?

[topaz smelt]

uni by a long shot

[onyx flame]

damn richer than me

[cobalt robin]

yumia with healing aux

[viscid swift]

I added this section for a reason

[topaz smelt]

been here for years

[ocean terrace]

avoiding expensive research + my gear and ships seem to be good for W11, might need to invest a little for W12

[cobalt robin]

Also richer than me I'm here with like 20k lol

[ocean terrace]

I thought I should be saving for the event 😭

I was running on 0-2k for like a week after DAL

[onyx flame]

im pretty aight right now but that also cause i mostly been running 12-1

[stark quiver]

i went from 40k to 200k in a few days
grinding is ez

[viscid swift]

so has this misinfo

[cobalt robin]

Same but napoli stole my coins today

[topaz smelt]

ive given up on the game for years as well

[cobalt robin]

ply coinable

[ocean terrace]

is Musashi used for mob or boss or flex

[topaz smelt]

itll also eventually correct itself

depends on content but you can run either on most

[onyx flame]

mostly mob iirc but depends on what you have

[topaz smelt]

@viscid swift i can see the sashi start working out but my major concern ends up being the 3rd fleet since i kinda expect players at that point to be capable of killing harby after that. idk how the cv options are at that point and how well it would work out

[nimble cypress]

My Gouden Leeuw is Dev 29 but otherwise level 125 with BiS gear where available. Is htat sufficient to make her my tank for my mob fleet in W15 or wait till Dev 30?

[viscid swift]

I'll be completely honest, the 3rd fleet these days is a wash for me

[topaz smelt]

my 3rd fleet is typically bbs since thats a lot easier to just slap things in