gameplay-help

[hollow gust]

Honestly been using Lion/Raffey Independence Uni

[rapid shard]

Yeah cant run full rainbow spam. I started like shortly after Lion event ended

Haven't had a major need for Independence yet so haven't bought her.

[wind hazel]

sounds like the need is here

[rapid shard]

Is support fleet fine at 120 or do they need to be 125? Gonna be using Essex HwanRetro and Indom

[wind hazel]

it might help you if you're lacking here and there

[hollow gust]

Zuihou Aquilla kinda rocks

[rapid shard]

If I had them id use them lol

[wind hazel]

essex is at least worth to 125

[rapid shard]

Essex is 125 but Indomitable and Hwan 120

[wind hazel]

should be fine really, i did it with 125 impla 120 lusty indom

[fickle parcel]

Is Lion strongest boss BB and Raff strongest mobbing BB right now?

[rapid shard]

Support fleet assist wasnt really a issue just only Uni didnt give quite enough healing and Harbin and Sandy died on 5th mob. Mainfleet was still basically full health.

[onyx flame]

technically lion for both

[viscid swift]

you were using double line formation right

[rapid shard]

Yeah double line

[hollow gust]

Raffey is absolutly busted as mob BB

[wind hazel]

one of the*

[wind hazel]

sometimes you just need to reset. sometimes they eat torpedo point blank and explode

maybe it's also related to your gear

[rapid shard]

Second mob node that happened but was hoping uni could heal it back but her alone wasnt quite enough. And gear is all reccomened stuff. Washing machines flaps wyverns etc. Probably need to craft a couple FW190s for support tho to replace some gold hellcats where I ran out of flaps

[wind hazel]

hellcat without 13 is kinda pepega

but 13 is also kinda cursed CN strat

in the end, craft more fw190

[rapid shard]

Not gonna waste plates on hellcats lol was a first run attempt at 15-1 and wanted to see where lack was. Only will need to craft like 4 to fill out support fleet.

[viscid swift]

are you using subs on the super CV nodes?

[rapid shard]

The green CV node?.

[rain bobcat]

yes

generally for cv node and super cv you have to kill hiyou and junyou before they launch

[rapid shard]

Honestly didnt even need to call them in. Musashi nuked it pretty fast

[tender lotus]

Are Vanguard & Kronstadt worth to be 125? Are they useful now?

[viscid swift]

how fast is fast exactly

[rapid shard]

Total fight was like 55-60sec ish

[viscid swift]

that's abot normal

[hollow gust]

Kron meh, vangurd depends

[tender lotus]

Vanguard a niche now?

[wind hazel]

kinda, yes

[rain bobcat]

yes

[tender lotus]

Well i use her in the last month's cm

[hollow gust]

just not enough dps, buff still op though

[wind hazel]

i mean dps was never her forte since day 1 lol

[rain bobcat]

i dont think kron was ever giga useful

[hollow gust]

the thing is, everyone has mini vanny buff with far more dps

[mint fable]

I only use Kron for her cross-fleet barrage, nothing else

[tender lotus]

Mini vanny who?

[wind hazel]

i know. that's the point isn't it... why she is niche now. dps part is just never relevant

[rain bobcat]

almost all URs

soyuz alsace mecklenburg has debuffs to name a few

[soft raft]

He said mini vanny buff as in everyone having a pocket version of Vanguard's buff, not him listing three different ships

[rain bobcat]

fucking lion

[tender lotus]

Ah right right
Many comp nowadays didn't use vanny

[hollow gust]

Lion has weaker version with like what 2-3x the dps

[zenith heron]

Which event released USS Fargo?

[rain bobcat]

en anniversary 2024

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Windborne_Steel_Wings

[tender lotus]

Alright chat looks like I'll just let Vanny & Kron collecting dust

[hollow gust]

I mean if you are broke on UR BBs somehow shes still worth it

[frozen stag]

Is anyone even worth it here or do I just get anyone for fleet tech

[weary gust]

Musashi if you don't have her at mlb

[late flame]

either musashi or shinano

[frozen stag]

I have both at mlb alrdy

[ocean terrace]

I should only reach UR pity from daily pulls right? since I have no reason to pull in normal outside of that

[ivory sigil]

yeah, if pity is 400, then 400 days 💀 for 1 UR

[viscid swift]

and non UR events yes

[rain vine]

vanguard

[stark quiver]

does commission randomm ship picker have a preference to pick whichever fucking ship i interacted with last

[viscid swift]

no

it just selects the lowest level qualifying ships

[stark quiver]

[tender lotus]

Anyone worth to 125 here?

[viscid swift]

no

[frozen stag]

that works i dont have alot of hms tech points and lets me unlock plymouth

also do i just start to research plymouth i alrdy have agir fdg avp ancho shimanto unlocked and dont know who to get next, tho i dont have a single good hms vanguard aside from sirius

[onyx flame]

Hope your not gonna use bulins on perma

[onyx flame]

Yea she should be coinable in like the next 2 months

[frozen stag]

crazy, also yeah i dont use them on perma i did use spare bullins from the previous events to max shinano since no new ur after hakuhuo dropped

[cobalt robin]

What's the difference between the triple 155mm and it's evil twin Kai?

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/equips/id/32240

[late flame]

#gameplay-help message

[sweet delta]

[cobalt robin]

So outside of w14 the triple 155mm is just better because of the tighter spread?

[sweet delta]

They have the same spread angle

[cobalt robin]

I mixed up the two, Kai is on the left and the normal 155mm is on the right

In w15 do I just use 155mm on both BB and CLs?

[onyx flame]

Kai for the cl no? At least ccording to suchi guide

[cobalt robin]

I mean on cl that can't use dd guns

[wind hazel]

yes, CL that use CL gun should use 155kai

or better CL gun

[cobalt robin]

Thanks

[cobalt robin]

I'll give everyone ply guns when I have that many 😔

[onyx flame]

gearlab soon

[cobalt robin]

my ur mats said bye bye

[tawny fossil]

How to disable this setting?

[viscid swift]

Not sure if you can

Not that I would ever reccomend retiring unique copies of ships

[rain bobcat]

its in setting

smth about password when retiring and dismantling (this doesnt include UR since that's automatic)

[hollow gust]

It's not that

It's the accidental retire protection, turn it off

[sweet delta]

Do you know if proper fig is on discord

[viscid swift]

Who

[tawny fossil]

Ah now I know why I cant find it on general settings :/

[inland storm]

whats an item attack?

[wind hazel]

stuff like this

[inland storm]

oh....

[wind hazel]

basically ryza collab gear

[inland storm]

damn, i dont have ryza gear

i assume kala is significantly worse as a tank without ryza gear?

[rain bobcat]

i dont remember kala skill

[wind hazel]

idk about significantly worse

[rain bobcat]

but prob slightly worse

[sweet delta]

Idk about worse at all

[wind hazel]

it's just the 5% hp recovery lol

[inland storm]

no healing, which is what i wanted the most from her

[sweet delta]

Thank you for sending three pictures but we can read the whole skill and even her other skills on larsdb

[inland storm]

oh

[wind hazel]

[inland storm]

thought it would be easier for yall to not have to switch apps

[sweet delta]

She's just Eugen Pro, that's it and don't expect anything else

[inland storm]

?

[late flame]

i have discord on 2 phones and pc

[wind hazel]

in short, she's fine without item attack

[sweet delta]

A better version of

[inland storm]

havent used her before, so idk how good she is

[wind hazel]

just a tank, that's it

[late flame]

Without fleet tech

[inland storm]

hows roon compared to kala?

[wind hazel]

less tanky, more damage

[inland storm]

are the ships ordered within the tiers?

[late flame]

Nope

[wind hazel]

alphabetically lol

[inland storm]

ah

[ivory sigil]

enemy flagship are they refer to them? or us?

[late flame]

Them

[wind hazel]

you are your own worst enemy

[late flame]

ez remove the word enemy

[hardy trench]

Is there a way to farm oil?

[ocean terrace]

by closing the game
commissions

[late flame]

Yes by shelling out cash

[inland storm]

is there an up to date version of this site? https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/ca

[ivory sigil]

comms

[wind hazel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1370253760#gid=1370253760

a different version of tierlist

[inland storm]

thx

is w13 comparable to w14?

[late flame]

W14 is waaaaaay harder

[olive geyser]

is laffey II tanky enough to be the main tank?

[late flame]

Depends on what you are fighting

[olive geyser]

w14

[sweet delta]

kala being a tier higher than lala

[sweet delta]

she could main tank with only unicorn healing

[inland storm]

is there a difference between the main (img) and main (no img) tabs besides images? are they just in a different order or are there different ships?

[inland storm]

ah, thx

but uh, if i look and see whos good for w14, theyll be good for w13, too?

[late flame]

Not really

[viscid swift]

Not necessarily

But w13 is significantly easier than w14 so a lot more just works there

[inland storm]

is there a rank w13 is comparable to?

[viscid swift]

So long as you follow some very basic principles

[late flame]

W13 is basically w15 light
if we ignore support fleet

[viscid swift]

In the end game rankings no

[inland storm]

i see

[viscid swift]

If you want a fleet recx start a thread and post your dock

[ivory sigil]

does SR gear design and T1 ordnance

helpful for new?

[inland storm]

oh, i see. didnt know yall did that

[viscid swift]

it's the easiest and most effective soluition usually

[wind hazel]

yes, and you want to buy everything regardless, since you're in old shop format

[ivory sigil]

even T1 ?

[inland storm]

do you get siren currency most efficiently by clearing zones?

or is there something else you do when youre like in the beginning of the siren

[ivory pawn]

The blue boxes are normally garbage, but right now they're cluttering the pool, making it less likely for actually useful stuff to show up.

[gray sphinx]

Always clear the whole map. You have a whole month to do it

[inland storm]

i see

[rain bobcat]

you cant even get enough adap unless you clear whole map

[gray sphinx]

If you’re talking about the purple tokens btw the best is strongholds

[sweet delta]

dont need adapt if you dont play opsi

[gray sphinx]

Which spawn one or two a week

[rain bobcat]

[gray sphinx]

[rain bobcat]

btw cant u technically test harbiter on shit adap for less dmg

[inland storm]

wait, i have the ryza collab ship, but not the auxilery item

[rain bobcat]

or does vanguard die too fast

[sweet delta]

that would be biased against CVs

[gray sphinx]

No clue cause I always leave harbiter for last anyways

[rain bobcat]

tfw arizona meta is so shit that 2 CV+0 dmg vanguard already overkills

[ocean terrace]

if my current vanguard is Tohka/Helena/Kurumi, would changing any of them for Yamai twins be better for opsi, mob or boss?
as in are there switches I can make for certain situations?

[sweet delta]

helena is poor for mob

[ocean terrace]

that would include opsi then, other than arbiter

[inland storm]

i notice that in the threads the ones asking for w13 fleets arent only asking for w13 but w13-w15. will w13 fleets usually beat w14 and w15, as well?

or is it easier on yall if i just ask for just w13 fleets, for rn?

[onyx flame]

more like fleet built for w15 will prob smash through the other previous 2

[inland storm]

ah

[sweet delta]

with 3 extra years of preparation, some w13 fleets can beat w15 i suppose

[inland storm]

is it also easier to get in a vc after posting a thread for the equipments or something?

[wind hazel]

it's mostly just images and text in the thread

[inland storm]

gotcha

[viscid swift]

And none of us do VCs anyway

[inland storm]

Help with fleet building for W13-W15

oh

[stark quiver]

cheekys voice

[rain bobcat]

more like there's no point in a vc rather than not liking vc

[viscid swift]

Alpa you already know it

Well it is the latter actually

I don't need random people knowing my voice even if it's easier to communicate directly

[inland storm]

i meant more so to look at equipments

[rapid shard]

Just do what I did and post screen shots of everything. Gives people like Cheeky Alpa Mori etc time to actually go through it when they have time and makes recommendations

[viscid swift]

Oh we have a guide for that

[stark quiver]

i rarely do threads

[ivory sigil]

Ohdamn, i manage to clear opsi stronghold everything but the boss

Errrr does they disappear after a week?? And if i continue other land would it reset?

[wind hazel]

it disappear on monthly reset

and it doesnt reset if you leave

[ivory sigil]

So technically i could do 99% of the 3 stronghold and then let them there

[wind hazel]

just finish it... you have multiple fleets no?

[ivory sigil]

I dont get it, i thought only 1 boss fought at 1 fleet at a time?

Idk the problem is i not having enough adapt (currently6), or i havent understand the opsi yet

[violet grail]

You can just fight the stronghold boss, leave go to port to heal, go to another map to fight to remove fatigue then go back to the stronghold. Progress in stronghold gets saved.

Unless im misunderstanding and you dont mean the last stronghold fight but are talking about abyssal zone or arbiter when you say boss.

[ivory sigil]

Yeah i did. But now the finalboss of stronghold is the only final obstacle, my vanguard fleet didnt last long enough

[plain saffron]

with a proper mob fleet it can fight all stronghold boss except the last boss(if it's very good it can kill all), so just switch to boss fleet for that

so you're only using 2 fleet in stronghold

don't even need to go out and heal

[violet grail]

The mob fleet can just fight the boss multiple times. Damage is saved

[plain saffron]

that's assuming it didn't die and lose skill, also after you get 3 low morale you can't fight it anymore i think?

the low morale(i forgot the name) have 3 lvl, abyss give lvl 3 directly after 1 fight

it's low resolve

[violet grail]

You mean resolve? You just fight a regular enemy in between to reset resolve.

[plain saffron]

yeah but if you auto-search there's no regular enemy left in the zone

[rain bobcat]

let me remind u its a new player at like ch9

its gonna take a bit

[plain saffron]

just switch fleet it's faster

[rain bobcat]

but a slong as he doesn't get a bitch that heals its clearable

[violet grail]

Thats exactly why im talking about doing it all with 1 fleet rather than expecting them to have mob + boss

[wind hazel]

if you have, for example, 3 fleets, then you can use those 3 fleets to fight the boss, one at a time. fleet 1 fight, do XX damage, fail. switch to fleet 2, do XX damage, fail. switch to fleet 3, kill boss, happy ending.

[onyx flame]

just bash the boss with your x no of strongest fleet, leave to port to heal then do it again the next day or something when the heal comes off cooldown

[plain saffron]

so rn you want to 1 fleet as in use 1 fleet with heal instead of 1 fleet clear all i assume?

[late flame]

+you can also freely switch gear between fleets in opsi

[plain saffron]

i would recommend just do 1 boss 1 mob in opsi and just switch fleet for final strionghold boss, since you don't have enough for 4 fleet

i feel like i'm misunderstanding something here

[onyx flame]

can stronghold bosses get the buff if hp drops below 30% heal 5% for some no fo sec buff?

[rain bobcat]

maybe idk

I haven't cared for the last 4 years

[onyx flame]

if they can feel rough for new player

[plain saffron]

iirc yes

[rain bobcat]

the clear condition for all of opsi except harbiter is be able to do 50 bars on any boss with 1 fleet

[ivory sigil]

Next day??? But we just had dailyreset right?

[violet grail]

Anyways its the start of the month. Simply focusing on campaign to get stronger and coning back to opsi later is also reasonable and should be way easier then.

[plain saffron]

you don't need to wait for next day

[wind hazel]

fleet redeployment is free heal every 24hours.
healing at port require the opsi currency, which should only cost few thousands. no time restriction

[plain saffron]

just use the heal at port it's dirt cheap

then fight random low lvl boss in any zone to remove low resolve

[late flame]

-# but i am stingy so i almost never use port heal

[onyx flame]

free heal or bust

[wind hazel]

always use your fleet redeployment first, it's free

[plain saffron]

but what if you suddenly need to change fleet

[wind hazel]

then you wait a day

[violet grail]

Thats is next level penny pinching XD

[knotty jolt]

Don't be afraid to use the heal kits, they're free and don't turn into anything when the month ends

[rapid shard]

Pretty sure 4 fleet full heals was like 5k currency for me lol

[plain saffron]

i would use them if they have a 1 click heal all instead of 90 clicks needed

[knotty jolt]

I'm lazy but i ain't that lazy

[onyx flame]

just use the triple and big heals

[late flame]

i gave up trying to use them up for every minor sortie lol

[ivory sigil]

Ah so i can exchange my ally for free once a day

Nah about the 4fleet thingy they are all dummies

[ivory sigil]

Yeah been learn to do that after follow the 8mins Opsi guide of Kimocheese on youtube

[ivory sigil]

Before i learn to heal at port, i just keep spamming 40 AP to switch my ally up and down so they can full hp stupidly

[ivory sigil]

So apparently my 1st fleet is defeat and they had a debuff that only cure after rest/redeploy

But acceptdefeat for final boss is necessary right???? Cuz i keep reject defeat by force quit to maintain HP of ally

[plain saffron]

yes

accept then use other fleet, or go heal that fleet

[inland storm]

how do i know what type of ship everyone is?

[hot aspen]

Need a team recommendations

Who's great with who?

[rain bobcat]

ask

[rain bobcat]

very little in this game is based purely off of synergy

for the most part its 6 good ships doing their thing

[inland storm]

what types of ships are these

[rain bobcat]

everyone except sandy falls into the everyone else category

[inland storm]

and those 2 categories are?

[rain bobcat]

ehh I would say just do the "for AA" general section

if you really want specifics, shimakaze is for torpedo and all backline wants either staag/hazemayer

[inland storm]

oh, i just realized what you meant

i forgot what the site said

whats sandy, then? best aa ship?

and whats staag/hazemayer

[woven star]

AA/team AA buffer

[inland storm]

thx, found it

i was looking at the wrong thing earlier. didnt see it

[ivory sigil]

Well it only help the boss from 78% to 61% feel like fighting Meta boss at this point

Imma cancel it for now and doing other explore stuff
Until 1 day i reach adapt 7 maybe

[inland storm]

which category is that in the image?

[woven star]

Best AA ships

[inland storm]

thx

[ocean terrace]

how much have you cleared so far? of the map

[atomic vortex]

I may have wasted a lot of materials but idc cuz she's bad af

[hollow gust]

[atomic vortex]

I play for hot chicks

[ivory sigil]

I gotta say use your favorite team
You would need a Unicorn too
start by building the team based on the Newplayer Guide.

Most endgame content are heavily PR/DR/UR necessary. You can wait till next week to see if you want to get the newest UR

Also check your character in this list, they are super helpful especially for Newplayer who own DAL teammates

Just 1 suggestion: No Max Limitbreak = Not recommend use

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1370253760#gid=1370253760

[atomic vortex]

Not progress

[hollow gust]

More progress -> more cool units

[atomic vortex]

I only care about big( and small ) tittied bad bitches regardless if they're good or not

[lucid orchid]

any decent time freeze fleet

[hollow gust]

Huh?

[rain bobcat]

you mean a time freeze fleet where realistically only implacable is relevant and even then she loses by a mile to real cvs?

[lucid orchid]

freeze meant stop boss movement?

[rain bobcat]

yes

you only need implacable for a CV boss fleet

[lucid orchid]

any vanguard that has freeze

[rain bobcat]

kurumi but it doesn't work on single bosses

[lucid orchid]

[ivory sigil]

It said 56 zone cleared

But when i count the number of area i havent touch, it is around 14

[ocean terrace]

damn you're grinding opsi pretty hard, I probably should too

[ivory sigil]

Errrr but you got your map reseted, the adapt is not high so perhaps if you had time just let it auto

Wait had you learned the auto thingy of Opsi yet?

[wind hazel]

you should probably leave strongholds for the end of the month, get more levels on current fleets and expand your options later on

[ivory sigil]

I keep let it Auto and the grind the Zzz/Gensh game in the background

This video https://youtu.be/5dwRa-N6IjA?si=BT94pgYWHh4dujCP @ocean terrace the minute 3:00

[wind hazel]

might be a good time to give you warning but be wary that there's a lot of misinformation from that youtuber

[tulip tinsel]

waste of 5k oil 🥀

[rain bobcat]

disgustingcheese

truly a befitting name

[atomic vortex]

I hardly touch opsi

[wind hazel]

yeah cause there's no big titties there for you

[ivory sigil]

what is that item for?

[rain bobcat]

nothing useful unless you dont have time

[tulip tinsel]

First one, just QoL but imo waste of oil

[rain bobcat]

it simply bypasses the need to recon every map and also bypasses the snaking mechanic ie you can go wherever you want without clearing anything

[ocean terrace]

I think I asked this before but didn't understand,
I only have 2375 vouchers for this shop, what should I get? or do I save till monthly reset

[rain bobcat]

2 reasons why its useless

1. you can recon for free every 30m anyway
2. you want to clear the entire map anyway so opening up the opportunity to travel wherever u want instantly is pointless

[tulip tinsel]

coords but only if you can clear it

[ocean terrace]

how do I know if I can clear it

also these ones?

[rain bobcat]

if u can kill a stronghold boss easily without healing more than once you can comfortably do abyss 5 and 6

[wind hazel]

not a fair comparison lol

you can cheese stronghold. you cannot cheese r6

[ocean terrace]

I've avoided anything hard so far in opsi

only been doing c1 to c4 nodes and a couple c5

[wind hazel]

what are your fleets?

[hot aspen]

Just realzued something:

No Date-a-Live Sub??

Also,Where do I get subs?

[wind hazel]

medal shop, merit shop, some invitation letter, special pool

[ocean terrace]

I could have Sandy in there but IB vanguard exp for Roon

[wind hazel]

get them all to 120 by end of this month, can tackle r6

[ocean terrace]

both fleets?

[wind hazel]

yes

[ocean terrace]

alright thanks

probably will have the new UR in there too

[wind hazel]

and you probably wanna swap some of them too to maximize helena

[ocean terrace]

I'm only using the 1st fleet right now tbh and was told Helena is boss only

[wind hazel]

probably make 2nd fleet as boss fleet with kotori origami enterprise tohka helena yamai

[ocean terrace]

yeah that's what I do for campaign

it's just opsi is harder to clear for me so far

oh I have Maryland as boss BB actually, Kotori for mob

[wind hazel]

your approach is correct for opsi mob fleet, using fleet 1

[wind hazel]

this is when everyone is 120

[ocean terrace]

right got it, almost commander level for W11 now so could farm exp better there

[rain bobcat]

can farm 11-1

[ivory sigil]

Im able to buy a black Bullet Shell now, i should use +10 and use it along with White Shell +10 right

[rain bobcat]

depends

[ivory sigil]

Damn i still stuck at lv69 lol

[rain bobcat]

if you have little aux prob better equip 2 BBs with either one first

[steady shell]

I'm about to gear up Kansas for the upcoming Union event, and I'm debating the choice of main gun. Her barrage skill states that she spends her stacks when she fires, gaining each stack every 8 seconds, so I was thinking giving her a slow shelling gun, like, musahis's gun
But most guides say that a barrage gun is better (except for NJ's, Lion's and Georgia's)
What y'all think ?

[rain bobcat]

where are you getting the information

[tulip tinsel]

what union event

[wind hazel]

just give her normal bb gun

[steady shell]

Christmas'
Next maintenance we'll have a preparation event for Union, meaning we have major Union Event coming in about 2 weeks

[rain bobcat]

UR

[tulip tinsel]

that's why the 5k oil thing is useless, you ran out of oil

[steady shell]

ECTL community

[ivory sigil]

I only have 2 BBs and apply the purple Whiteshell +6 for mary

[untold sierra]

Hi guys, good afternoon. Can I ask you a question? Do you think this 60 level hed is good?

[rain bobcat]

the guns are not prioritised over another in that list

also kansas has slow rld so a normal 20s BB gun will do fine

[steady shell]

Thanks mate

[rain bobcat]

nws

[sweet delta]

Aren't all the normal bb guns worse than typically recommended AP and HE guns?

[rain bobcat]

[steady shell]

I think they meant like the standard purple Eagle 406mm, which is a great he shelling gun when you don't have the rainbow ones

Not normal in the sense of normal ammo type

[atomic vortex]

Do all the DAL girls in 1 fleet make a good team?

[inland shoal]

Wouldn't be the worst, but also not particularly great

[ivory sigil]

For newplayer, it is a 80% yes and 20% no

For long term player, it is somewhat 90% no

[tulip tinsel]

rainbow's are still better

[atomic vortex]

Omg you have Mary Cel

I'm so jealous

[ivory sigil]

Is there anyone who had constellation?

[atomic vortex]

I've done heaps of pulls and still yet to get her

I don't care if she's ass, I love her

[tulip tinsel]

imo collabs only collection bcs no fleet tech

[atomic vortex]

Mary Cel is peak

[atomic vortex]

Emo Miku is goated

[ivory sigil]

Hmm really? Let me check

[rain bobcat]

akshually tempesta isn't collab

[ivory sigil]

/wiki mary celest

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Mary_Celeste
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Mary_Celeste/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Mary_Celeste/Gallery

Dec 6, 2025, 8:50 AM

[atomic vortex]

She's gas🔥

[inland shoal]

[rain bobcat]

[atomic vortex]

I've loved her since the colab

Mainly because she's one of the first characters I got ( I started when her colab was out )

[inland shoal]

Yes we got it, if you have no further questions #al-general might be the place you wanna be

[atomic vortex]

Wiki makes her sound really good, is she still relevant in the modern game tho?

[stark quiver]

I don’t think wiki makes her sound good
And no she’s not

[crystal flume]

can you put same ship in same fleet?

how about two different fleet?

[rain bobcat]

only in campaign

[crystal flume]

wha u can?

as long it's not in same fleet u can put two musashi?

[rain bobcat]

only in campaign

[zinc cave]

Everywhere else you're restricted to 1

[rain bobcat]

theres no real use to having dupes anywhere

so its more of a shit niche

[crystal flume]

that's still nice to know I just had a funny thoughts of having multiple chuunibyo black red girl from previous collab

thanks

[wind hazel]

w h o

[atomic vortex]

Kurumi

[rain bobcat]

[crystal flume]

I think that her name yeah
just wondering if I put two or three of her will the clone goes past 3 or still cap at 3 haha

[versed forum]

should i replace rumey with another bb? im farming 12-4 for meck xp and don't want to waste xp if possible

[inland shoal]

I uave my doubts you'll still be able to clear with another BB, but you can try

(Especially since the only MLB option I see is Gneisenau and she's pretty bad)

[versed forum]

how about normal bisk?

if i lmb her

[inland shoal]

Not great either, but better than Genisenau at least
+she buffs your backline a little

[versed forum]

ok ill try thx

[inland shoal]

If you can live with lower coin income I'd try 12-1

[late flame]

12-1 is also my usual haunt if i am levelling submarine (smaller map)

[strange sphinx]

does 12-1 have ammo port?

[tulip tinsel]

only 12-4

[strange sphinx]

(Single fleet) How long will it take for a random fleet with exp in mind to clear Safe 12-1

[rain bobcat]

wut

[tulip tinsel]

[rapid shard]

Completely varies based on how shit the fleet is and gearing

[strange sphinx]

well It can take 12-4 safe without a hiccup, I just Want them to level up

[rain bobcat]

again what are you asking about

[late flame]

making sense, his question is not

[rain bobcat]

[strange sphinx]

How long it will take for that fleet to clear 12-1 cause you guys said there's no ammo port so that fleet will be 0/5 immediately

and 0/5 have low dmg right

[late flame]

halved not low

smh

[rain bobcat]

1 min max per fight

[tulip tinsel]

well the damage if half so twice as much ofc

[rain bobcat]

like the question still doesn't make sense

why are you worried about clear time

you have 1.5 mins to get S and that's the least of your problem

[strange sphinx]

I'm just asking how long, I'm not really that worried

[late flame]

[knotty jolt]

Just take notice of how long one battle is then multiply that by how many the fleet needs to do with double the time for any out of ammo battles

[rapid shard]

Speaking of xp farming @rain bobcat what's the lowest level vanguard youll drag into 13-4 with Uni carrying and rest of units leveling

[knotty jolt]

Do math

[rain bobcat]

I dont bring uni

I do shimanto+5 on 13-4

I put AA radar on backline, lowest I would say is lvl 90 but lvl 100 is preferred

my shimanto is cracked though

[rapid shard]

Nelson is back line with sextuple and Radar. Just Shimanto is enough for you? Im running 3 lv100s with Uni atm

Yeah that makes my shimanto look poor lol

[red sapphire]

Now that I see that, when that torps should be used? Curiosity

[rain bobcat]

ppl who want fast loading torps

[strange sphinx]

hmmm that torp, is that the new good auto mag torp?

[rain bobcat]

shimanto, ancho are potential candidates

[rapid shard]

That torp is not magnetic btw @strange sphinx

[rain bobcat]

its aimed btw not mag

[red sapphire]

Alright, thank you. I've got one but didn't know who could use them

[rain bobcat]

i mean ancho or shimanto can use the purple torps or blue torps

but these only have slightly higher rld than purple and do more dmg

[rain bobcat]

yes, the shittiest ive ever gone was tech farming purples and blues with AA radar

[rapid shard]

This is what im farming 13-4 with but once Honolulu hits 120 probably gonna swap her out for Lv100 glowworm.

[strange sphinx]

so Manual torp?

[rain bobcat]

the main problem is actually vg on 13-4

[rapid shard]

Eh not really. Its just a faster torp that does decent dmg compared to the other fast torp options for skills

[rain bobcat]

backlines will not survive without a vg carry

uni can still make it work though since obv healer

but with no healer vg is the problem

[rapid shard]

Uni has been hard carrying and only hwan gets bout half health by last mob if I hit 3 super carrier nodes in a row

[strange sphinx]

is 13-4 is still impossible to auto without a healer even it is safe?

[rain bobcat]

vg sill either get really low or backline will flop against CV node

[rapid shard]

My Shimanto isnt FS5 yet so im running her gun. Shes 123 atm think if I swapped uni out for another CV with good gear and her would survive?

Dropping lulu on vg

[rain bobcat]

the stuff I ran doing meck oath farm at d25 months ago -- yes

meck doesnt even do much dmg at dev25 so all shes really doing there is not dying

And yes I havent used felix since release

[rain bobcat]

hm maybe

but btw +13 plygun and rainbow aa is a sizable difference to gold options

I probably get away with considerably shitter setup

[rapid shard]

Working on getting rainbow AA guns. Shes running sextuple till I get some frog guns

[red sapphire]

Doesn't Shimanto gun replace AA?

[rapid shard]

Trying to farm for Bunker while actually getting xp and coins

[rapid shard]

No its main gun slot for her

It has the ghost aa gun skill tho

[rain bobcat]

non fs5 is also a considerable dunk on dps

[red sapphire]

It's an extra AA gun?

[rapid shard]

How big of a difference is it? Im only 60ish bps away

[red sapphire]

I know, I thought this would replace the AA gun

[strange sphinx]

[rain bobcat]

I mean its 15% eff mainly but also increases her ability to keep vanguard alive

also the transition from shitgun to plygun is crazy

[rapid shard]

Dont have a ply yet, I'll probably be running Marseille gun on her till I can get some plys. Might just go back to sandy on vg and try swapping Uni out and see how that goes till I get FS5

[rain bobcat]

vg wont last without shimanto/brest or someone that boosts survivability with no healer

my w14 is uni+sandy/z52 carry because I need more vg dps and I have heals to not worry about survivability on vg

[rapid shard]

I gotta get 14-4 down to safe before I try farming there. Ill definitely be using Uni/Sandy for that when I go for New Orleans. Im assuming you still wait till 100 to drag them in?

[rain bobcat]

yes

also if the BB you bring is shit

you might need to run 2 BB

[rapid shard]

Both with radars?

[scarlet cosmos]

Is there a ship that can replace aquila in w15? I have her, but it gets boring running the same comp

[rain bobcat]

no, use shells in w14

also fork a good secondary cl gun

[rapid shard]

Fork?

[rain bobcat]

zuihou

[rain bobcat]

spend money for

[scarlet cosmos]

Oh man i dont have her :( does this mean secondary healer is a must have

[rain bobcat]

unless you have raffaelo yes

[rapid shard]

Ive got a couple 155kais already and some other good cl guns for secondary

[scarlet cosmos]

😭 sounds good, ty

[rain bobcat]

you might do fine with volga or smth

[rotund narwhal]

which ship is meta right now

and how many categories does it have

[rain bobcat]

wdym

[rapid shard]

For what role? Main or Vg? There is way too many variables for that question

[rotund narwhal]

for now the back ones

[rain bobcat]

wdym category

[rotund narwhal]

i mean there's a tier list for every single ship right

[strange sphinx]

you know backline is still vague and you still need to tell us if it's a mob fleet or boss fleet, what type of armor also

[rapid shard]

Still need to know what role your looking for the best in tho? Uni may be the "Meta" healer but shes not best dmg for example

Context for what your trying to use them for is key.

[rain bobcat]

bros about to use no healer because they were S for w15

[strange sphinx]

UR ships are versatile but if you really want their full potential, they have very specific role

[strange sphinx]

even the small fleet formation will decimate his fleet

[rapid shard]

Na the issue would sustaining for more than a few fights

[strange sphinx]

I mean that will be a problem if he can survive even the first Encounter

[rapid shard]

99% of people dont have issues surviving the first 2-3ish fights even at the higher worlds. Issue is sustaining for the 4th,5th and 6th to spawn boss

[strange sphinx]

maybe I'm that 1% I guess

[rapid shard]

Just comes down to fleet comp, gearing and level difference

[untold sierra]

Why bro?

Is that good submarine

[atomic vortex]

She's hot

My jealousy stems from her being super hot

[wind hazel]

[atomic vortex]

And you have her and I dont

[untold sierra]

Oo reliability

[scarlet cosmos]

does bayard out dps san diego

[wind hazel]

gun damage yes

[scarlet cosmos]

but aa no? or..

[wind hazel]

yes sandiego giga inflate damage with AA lol

[strange sphinx]

I mean what do you expect from a ship that have more kill on plane than ships

[rain bobcat]

lol

[forest palm]

I've yet to find a reason to use Bayard, there's other CL with better utility

[wind hazel]

not everyone have dev30 plymouth

[strange sphinx]

• her gun

[lucid orchid]

ur gear seems take longer to craft, the shop only sold limited of mats

[forest palm]

Not just Plymouth...Sandy, Helena, Shimanto, hell Jeanne if you're Eld Kai poor

oh, right Sirius too

[forest palm]

it is all a matter of patience with UR Research Gear, but stuff from Gear Lab is not so bad to get, some UR Gear just comes from events so it's not too bad. I wouldn't worry about it too much there's plenty of good gear that's SSR

then again rarity doesn't mean everything

[wind hazel]

those dont even fulfil bayard's role

[agile patrol]

which of these works best on helena?

[rapid shard]

Shes not doing any real dmg so doesnt really matter tbh

[agile patrol]

oh :o she's just there for the debuff

[haughty skiff]

she isnt doing much but for gear recommendations you can follow this;

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[rapid shard]

i just threw the top one on her and havent changed it in 3 months lol her whole purpose is just debuff

[agile patrol]

then, i assume this also doesnt really fit her, and should go to someone else that does damage

[rapid shard]

Yeah save those for a actual DPS unless you rich with tons laying around

[haughty skiff]

i'd recommend following the gear guide over that website guide; the quick gear guide is clearer and more indepth

[agile patrol]

mmmm...
I'll probably put her on my sandy. i dont have any other CLs except Sirius and Helena

[onyx flame]

sandy should use a dd gun

[agile patrol]

i'll check that one out

[agile patrol]

i forgot sandy can use DD

[onyx flame]

if cl can use a dd gun, put it on them since its usually better

[rapid shard]

Use Suchis guide linked above and generally you always want to use DD gun over CL gun when you can for all CLs

[wispy cosmos]

use qgg for backline gearing, ectl's reccs are more specific for vanguard ships

[onyx flame]

[rapid shard]

Only specfic gearing thats not on suchis guide is stuff like SG Radar on Helena. thats just cause its in her skill description. He has all the VGs that want barrage guns listed above the DD section of guns

[wispy cosmos]

many ships outside of the meta relevant ones have weird gear wants which qgg doesnt accommodate

[whole lichen]

Is there any good bb retrofits?

[rapid shard]

Maryland retro is a good early to mid game BB if your lacking better options

[hollow gust]

Why would you do Maryland

Nelson is right there

[rapid shard]

Maryland is first retro that comes to mind and shes even reccomened for poverty W13 fleet setups

[wind hazel]

warspite

[whole lichen]

I have a lot of stocked up bps for bb's and I want to use them

[haughty skiff]

not really, there's some okay ones but most get outclassed by medal shop gold bbs with their augments (Alabama). warspite isnt worth the cost

penny will work perfectly fine for early -> midgame content until you need to invest in a better bb

[wind hazel]

unlock shipyard bb

[wispy cosmos]

r u in a position where youre trying to increase ur collection % because youre getting towards endgame, if not just save em and focus on the rest of ur progression

[whole lichen]

hmm ok

[haughty skiff]

if you're in the midgame (w12) and just want to get a shipyard bb, you can go for monarch / fdg

[rapid shard]

If your going for tech Gascone has good rld tech as well

[wind hazel]

the cone with gas

[whole lichen]

So if I have Alabama and plan to get something better for the future, do shipyard?

[rapid shard]

Shipyard is gonna be the easiest way to get better options

[wind hazel]

that's one of the way yes

[sick kettle]

for coins do i farm in 12-4 or 13-4? im not sure cuz it requires u to clear 7 mob nodes instead of 6

[whole lichen]

which shipyard bb is the best option

[wind hazel]

depends whether you wanna level up ships in the process or not

[onyx flame]

13-4 is better, but its harder so you cant drag as many stuff to level

[wind hazel]

lv ships+coin, 12-4
pure coin, 13-4

[rapid shard]

13-4 is a bit more but you cant run complete shit fleets like you can with 12-4

[wind hazel]

mecklenburg

[rapid shard]

FDG would be best option early due to the fact that you can coin her to Dev30 instead of waiting for blueprints

[wind hazel]

ngl but getting Musashi from pity would be faster

[rapid shard]

RIP to cubes and coins and next UR around the corner

[haughty skiff]

the best coinable bb is fdg, it will require you to meet the tech requirements

pr / drs are useless without their dev levels

would recommend reading this

https://azurlaneecgc.com/research/

[whole lichen]

so I do Roon first for the tech points then fdg

[rapid shard]

Yes if your lacking IB faction points

[ivory sigil]

dear master gameplayhelp in Azurlane, I want to get high score in Guild boss too please use your knowledge to fix this fleet
I already select Lion/ Alsace / Kronshdtadt, is there any improvement i should fix to improve the overall dps?

-# friendly reminderonly 3 support can be use.

[wind hazel]

dont borrow kron, borrow plymouth

... ask your guildmate to set a plymouth

[rapid shard]

Im borrowing a lion alsace with my NJ Shimakaze ibuki and a borrowed traf and beat it with about 10 sec to spare each time

[haughty skiff]

you dont need to get roon to reach the 600 requirement; you can reach it with a mix of merit, guild & divergent chessboard ships

https://azurlaneecgc.com/fleet_technology/#kms

[rapid shard]

Just make sure to check your guild mates equipment

[rain bobcat]

chronic w12 avoiders at 500k

2 weeks is like 200k minimum coins too

[wind hazel]

if they dont have ply either then unzen works

[rapid shard]

Not gonna lie after doing 13-4 last 2 days im steadily gaining coins much faster than 12-4 with spending a bit more on upgrades

[whole lichen]

So I simply need to add the ships to my data base right? They dont have to be in the dock

[rain bobcat]

the wonders of the world

[rapid shard]

Its a mix of obtaining, MLB, and lv120 to gain faction points

[rain bobcat]

I constantly cap so I just do augments and fleet power

[whole lichen]

The most efficient way is obtaining then?

[rapid shard]

Im constantly building augs gear and awakenings so im sitting around 75k and slowly raising. Should be around 200-250k by ur event

[rapid shard]

Obtaining and MLB is the easiest since they only need lv 70 to MLB

[haughty skiff]

they will need to be in your dock for you to max limit break them (mlb); you generally retire useless ships once they hit 120, as then you'll get the fleet tech

you will also need 3 mlb ironblood main fleet ships for grinding the millions of exp for fdg

if you read the fleet tech guide i linked it'll tell you what is needed (collection, mlb, ect) per ship listed

[rapid shard]

The guide fully breaks it all down and fastest way to obtain the tech needed

[whole lichen]

hmm alr

[rain bobcat]

if u only do research and awakening its around 80k a week profit

purely from regen and weekly

[rapid shard]

Is that just using commission and canteen oil?

I do buy oil when I have the extra time to grind. Usually just 2 maybe 3 times a day. And Im banking what I can till next event that has a good farmable gear like HVARs

[rain bobcat]

comms canteen and weekly

what I do is start at 17k on saturday, drop it to 10k by sunday, claim to 15k on monday, drop to 10k again

then for each monday to sunday I use enough to oil to profit 1k oil and repeat

that way im always hovering 14k by event start

not enough to overflow incase I have work

[rapid shard]

I usually hit 10k on reset and by end of week around 1k. I chill for a day or so before events go live tho. Working 12hr night shift watching a screen 6 days a week gives way to much time to auto grind

[rain bobcat]

also its because I only specifically grind on 120+ morale

so theres 30min waits in between 2-3 runs

[rapid shard]

I do x3 sortie then opsi till they back to 150. I aint missing that extra xp% bonus lol

[tropic tusk]

@wind hazel after 15 on safe i can finally auto 3q

[hollow gust]

Swapping plymmy will help

[rain bobcat]

plym

[red sapphire]

Hmm... Am I forgetting something at the builder? It say that this syncs but in game waves doesn't. I set reload to 0 both on CV and CVL and both in game and at the builder

Launch order in game is AvP shinano haku, and ideally would like haku avp shinano

[rapid shard]

Do you have cats equipped? And did you set them in the calculator as well as your RLD tech?

[red sapphire]

I do not use cats yet, and RLD tech was set to 0. I meant that

[rapid shard]

Are they all same affection level?

[red sapphire]

It's set on the builder. AvP 100 Shinano Oath 200 Haku Oath 100 (183)

[wind hazel]

they are oathed?

[red sapphire]

Shinano and Hakuhou only

[boreal wagon]

haku and avp have the exact same reload so 9 out of 10 times the one that is flagship will fire first

otherwise i believe it was top then bottom

[red sapphire]

Haku is flagship, but she launches after Shinano

[boreal wagon]

but with reloads being the exact same the game is very finicky and you may just end up with a coin flip

[rapid shard]

Calc worked exactly on time as in game once I set cats up that I forgot about. Not sure why your timings are that far off

[boreal wagon]

are they not the same level

[red sapphire]

They all 125

[wind hazel]

just swap plane

[boreal wagon]

yeah then its just the game being the game bc they all have practically the same reloads

[red sapphire]

Sure, but I wonder if I forgot to set something at the builder

[boreal wagon]

calc isnt a perfect emulation of the game engine

[red sapphire]

Oh, I see... Unfortunate

[rain bobcat]

shinano will always launch first there

try flagging avp

[red sapphire]

The problem is that avp launches first on game

[rain bobcat]

well thats bc in game ur timer shows 24s without rld buff so ofc with rld buff she fire first

[red sapphire]

Yeah... Idk. AvP and Shinano seem to sync but Haku is far slower

[boreal wagon]

you did enhance your haku right

[red sapphire]

I know, the thing here is why the builder and game doesn't do the same with wave times. I checked tech and everything

[red sapphire]

Oh, let me check

[boreal wagon]

builder will never show what ingame shows bc ingame is ass

at most itll line up by a couple of tenths of seconds with actual in battle observations

[cobalt robin]

is Avery car from tempesta any good?

[red sapphire]

I forgot that because I was focusing on other stuff
Thank you probably is that

[boreal wagon]

very much would be

[trail dagger]

Right Now im at 600 / 950 Tech Point for Hakuryuu. Do i just spam limit break rare - UR ship or do ship dev ? not sure about the cheapest way

[rain bobcat]

also with those planes avp will ALWAYS fire first so either slow avp down or make shinano faster as well as hakuhou

[rapid shard]

@cobalt robin

[wind hazel]

cheap is mlb BB CV elites

[red sapphire]

Planned order is Haku Avp Shinano, but I can swap if that's less efficient

[boreal wagon]

though be aware that it might still be slightly different than what calc tells after you do enhance her because of how close the final reloads all end up being, tho generally it is close enough

[cobalt robin]

I'm gonna buy Drake this month so ig I'll level both

[trail dagger]

do we do gold too?

[rain bobcat]

I dont think hakuhou will ever fire before than shinano if you lock ryuusei to 3rd

wait wtf she does

[red sapphire]

According to the builder It does

[rain bobcat]

[boreal wagon]

she should in theory, in practice its a bit up to engine quirks

[red sapphire]

So yeah probably was that so ty everyone

[rain bobcat]

anyway I wouldn't recommend a CV fleet with 0 tech if you have lion or smth

[rapid shard]

Im running same CV setup and with hakuhou running ryukai in 3rd slot shes always a hair slower than the other 2

[red sapphire]

It's opsi and I have planned a BB fleet for Lion

And tech was set to 0 to try the builder, It syncs with my tech

[boreal wagon]

i mean u can also just input ur tech into my tool

[red sapphire]

Yes, I did that and worked. Dumb from me forgetting the Haku thing

[boreal wagon]

also be aware that things will change once your haku hits 200 aff

[red sapphire]

It syncs too

[cobalt robin]

wife will love you even more

[boreal wagon]

yeah i more so meant the order may get jumbled a bit more

it doesnt always happen but just a good thing to know in general

[red sapphire]

Oh, I see. Thank you for the advice

[cobalt robin]

How much of an improvement would meck be in my zwei, lion, vanguard BB fleet?

[past bear]

Thats like the meta comp atm

[pulsar shell]

how to change my formation on operation siren

[fair lance]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-gif-25770903

[strange sphinx]

[pulsar shell]

thank you

[strange sphinx]

it is still lacking arrows, my commander

[cobalt robin]

It needs couple red circles

[unreal star]

do cats with “whole fleet buffs” apply those buffs to main, vanguard, and subs when equipped on any ship? like if i put it on the sub fleet, the main and vanguard get buffed too?

[pulsar shell]

do you just lurk here to make fun of people who ask questions

[strange sphinx]

[cobalt robin]

We were laughing cause of the gif, not your question

[stray crane]

🫡

[wind hazel]

usually no, gold bulin is considered expensive investment

[floral stirrup]

What's good to use here?

I can also get 1 more perm ur but don't know who to get

[boreal wagon]

only the fleet they are placed in (so one of main+van or sub)

[rain bobcat]

considerable

meck will easily double the dps of vanguard while providing only a slightly lesser buff

[unreal star]

tytt

[floral stirrup]

What to do and who's to focus on?

[haughty skiff]

assuming you have the augments for kurumi;

nagato (flagship) / owari / unicorn
kurumi / helena / unzen

buy helena from the guild shop
retrofit unicorn asap

perm urs are useless unless max limit broken, however you dont want to waste ur bulins on them. there's a new ur event in 2 weeks and by the looks of it you can't actually mlb one. never split bulins - just come back when you have 4 ur bulins

[tulip tinsel]

unicorn retrofit

[floral stirrup]

Yes i have full kit for kurumi

[haughty skiff]

what chapter are you currently on ?

[floral stirrup]

9-4 lvl 65 current

[haughty skiff]

grind 9-2 with 1 fleet; your goal is to get to chapter 11 as soon as possible

[floral stirrup]

Using the setup you mentioned?

[haughty skiff]

mhmm; you dont need 2 fleets until later.

you should rush unicorn retrofit; if you 3 star any hard-mode stage from chapter 3 and onwards you get 2 gold retrofit blueprints guaranteed

this means you can get 6x gold carrier blueprints today assuming you havent used up your 3 hardmode dailies today

[floral stirrup]

Any of those stages from chapter 3 onwards?

[stray crane]

go for bulin ?

[haughty skiff]

x-4 stages are for carrier blueprints, so 3-4, 4-4, 5-4, ect..

kill all mobs -> retreat
kill mobs until you get the 2nd star (retreat if you run out), then kill the boss.

you only lose a hardmode attempt once you defeat the boss in the stage

[whole crypt]

if you need one, nothing in CL or CA pool are much of a rush, you could also come back later in the month anyway this doesn't refresh till month change

[floral stirrup]

Thats a good trick

[haughty skiff]

you should be able to get everything there before the month ends; if you need the bulin then get the bulin

CA is just tech & CL has san diego & sirus

[floral stirrup]

Seems i have to do it twice since its 50% in 1 run

[haughty skiff]

3-starring a stage has nothing to do with getting the stage cleared

[floral stirrup]

Oh ok, good to know

[haughty skiff]

you should only beat the boss when it's the last star remaining, you should be able to 3-star 3-4, 4-4 & 5-4 today

[tropic tusk]

naa u can actually do it pre world 9

kill everything in 1st run

[silk helm]

so 18th is UR release?

[floral stirrup]

Doing it now thanks

[haughty skiff]

15th of December is the UR reveal; unsure when the UR event itself will happen as December is a bit of a weird month but it's either the 18th or the 25th

likely on the 18th based on when Fritz's event happened

[silk helm]

okok ty

[rain bobcat]

its already set for 18 on jp patch

[haughty skiff]

oh mb, didnt see that

[warm river]

the CtA is already anounced for the 11th too

[haughty skiff]

if its confirmed for 18th then it is the 18th

[floral stirrup]

Btw who's to get from free ur invitation from quests?

[haughty skiff]

shinano > nj, but both are useless without being max limit broken and neither are worth investing ur bulins in. so it'll just be -1 dock space for a long time

[floral stirrup]

That's true

Then vang or musashi for 400 ur claim?

[tropic tusk]

shinano is better if u dont have both

[tropic tusk]

musashi first

[floral stirrup]

I see

[chrome flower]

Hey, so im going to attempt to begin challenging 15-1 onwards. Can someone give me some help with a fleet build for it please?

[tropic tusk]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15/
u might want to give this a read first

[floral stirrup]

What to focus on for sairen btw?

[tropic tusk]

u mean opsi?

[inner thicket]

Hello Question
What to do whit data packs? I have already develop all pr4 ships but still have 300 packs for pr4.

[wind hazel]

convert all to protocore

never use data packs for anything other than protocore conversion

[inner thicket]

Ahhh thank you i didn’t know you can convert it

[floral stirrup]

Yes

Done retrofitting unicorn

Do i focus on retrofitting helena nxt?

[tropic tusk]

u need to do ur first clear in opsi ( as in clear everything 1 time to unlock the monthly reset) wht u can do is bring unicorn + 5 random ship to do mobs as that is more the enough for a mob fleet in opsi.
and yes u do helena next

[haughty skiff]

you can retrofit helena next but it isn't as much of a priority as unicorn was

as a newbie you can just use your current fleet for opsi, aim to clear chapter 4 of the opsi campaign before january

clearing chapter 4 of opsi before next month will give you the improved shop and more qol features

[floral stirrup]

I'll keep that in mind

Nagato, owari, unic
Unzen, helena, kurumi

That's the setup, would it be ok for opsi?

[tropic tusk]

mob - unicorn + 5 random ships
bb fleet + helena

u can think of mob fleet are just for leveling up ships and unicorn is the carry

[haughty skiff]

they dont have really anything else aside from that 1 fleet mankit

[tropic tusk]

im just saying wt those 5 ships are it doesnt matter

[haughty skiff]

they dont have 5 other ships that are even limit broken

[tropic tusk]

yes this i notice also

[floral stirrup]

How about fighters, bombers, to use for unicorn?

[haughty skiff]

refer to this for gear;

kurumi is an exception and wants 2x evasion auxes

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[chrome flower]

How is this?

Or anyone willing to give help for 15:1

[viscid swift]

huh

[viscid swift]

looks very dead

[chrome flower]

Well, advisories would help aha

I know how to gear, just horrible at putting ships together

[viscid swift]

well start a thread and post your dock

and we'll see about the gearing

[chrome flower]

Help with 15:1

[haughty skiff]

according to suchi kurumi wants double eva auxes over health + eva due to her clone mechanics

[floral stirrup]

What/which pr to focus on at this stage?

[hollow gust]

Ulrich Percy Unicorn

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus

[ivory sigil]

10k left what should i uy

[tulip tinsel]

purple parts if you are low on them, and cats

[weary gust]

Augment mats before cats.

The 300 priced ones to be specific others are garbage

[ivory sigil]

How to get f2a buffalo

Most langley drop are Silver which is not helpful
The Blueprint in research sometime drop it but itself are long

[wind hazel]

why do you want it?

[forest palm]

pretty sure that's a component piece for the XF5U...

[wind hazel]

why wouldnt you just skip those and just get purple corsair???

[forest palm]

beats me

[cobalt robin]

maybe bro doesnt have the corsair

[ivory sigil]

How to get corsair???

[cobalt robin]

open uss tech boxes

[stark quiver]

It’s probably possible to get meck from 100 to 200 aff before she goes from level 120 to 125 right

[safe nexus]

can a lvl 100 yoshino be able to sustain my fleet for 12-1 mob fleet?

[soft raft]

You can do 12-1 without any proper healers as Cheeky has shown lots of times before so yeah you should be fine, esp if it's safe threat level

[safe nexus]

who is cheeky?

[zinc cave]

yeah if u just do low lvl worlds to limit xp gain

[soft raft]

The guy with the Belfast pfp that constantly changes his nickname

[safe nexus]

ok ty

[stark quiver]

I mean 12-1

[cursive ridge]

Is there anyway to get event shop gear from an event that is now in the war archive. Ex Triple 460 UR Main gun

[tulip tinsel]

if it gets added to gear lab

[forest palm]

event limited gear either goes into Core Shop, Gear Lab, or the Void(until they remember it exists)

triple 460 isn't really an important gun though

[cursive ridge]

I wanted it for musashi

[forest palm]

there's better options than the 460

[cursive ridge]

Why is it in the most liked gear loadout in archive then?

[sweet delta]

Because most players are clueless

[cursive ridge]

Oh cool! Where is this?

[ocean terrace]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide/#main-fleet-weapons

[tulip tinsel]

after reading most gear load out stuff it's mostly bs ngl

[sweet delta]

For example

1. This is outdated because independence got a unique augment
2. Skypirate +13 is objectively worse than wyvern
3. Skypirate is subjectively not worth getting
4. Tigercat is not a good gear to +13
5. Flapjack is better than tigercat

[viscid swift]

sigh

these tags ar honestley more depressing than the actual loadouts

[cursive ridge]

Oh wow thats super misleading then. Thats sad.

[stark quiver]

These loadouts aren’t even that bad lol

[viscid swift]

yeah because these are created by random bozos

and not moderated in any way

[sweet delta]

and upvoted by random bozos (whatever bozos means)

I see a +12 Neptune gun with 92 votes on Biszwei

[viscid swift]

bozo: a stupid or insignificant person (typically used of a man).

[cobalt robin]

another word for stupid i think

[sweet delta]

And the highest voted on Musashi is a +12 izumo gun which is also outdated because of Daisen gun

[viscid swift]

legitimately depressing stuff

[cobalt robin]

i had better gear on sandy when i was at w11 😭

[undone plover]

Does it just auto extract loadouts from random ppl?
Or do u have you to input it there on purpose?

[viscid swift]

you have to deliberately add it

[sweet delta]

People submit and vote for their own every day

[undone plover]

[cobalt robin]

i found it 😭 🙏

[stark quiver]

I have 700+ unique ships
I’m gonna start adding random gear loadouts

[onyx flame]

all gear grey please

[cobalt robin]

i need 10 more SN tech points for nakhi, are there any easy ships i can get? 😔

[undone plover]

any of these in merit shop

[onyx flame]

gangut forgotton

[undone plover]

Gangut maybe best actually she has good lv120 tech as well iirc

[cobalt robin]

i have none of them in my shop and barely any merit

[onyx flame]

Why not mpb one of the backliners unless you alr got enuf to form triple backliner to farm nakh exp

[cobalt robin]

gold bullins

[onyx flame]

Well your forced to wait either way so

[stark quiver]

Just do more pvp

[cobalt robin]

in the meantime i need cd exp for napoli

[undone plover]

Maybe check guild/core shop as well

[cobalt robin]

so alfredo, trieste +1

[undone plover]

Idr if they have NP ships tho

[cobalt robin]

the ones i havent unlocked yet are pretty sure not np

[undone plover]

Maestrale and bolzano are good tech
Pick either
DD fp is more consequental

[cobalt robin]

maestrale fp tech?

[onyx flame]

I got my napoli done with zara duca and chapayev took a while

[forest palm]

only ships there with shit tech are Alfredo, and Nicoloso btw

rest are FP tech

[cobalt robin]

[fossil vale]

Is there a proper skip battle for weaker levels here and not just auto-battle ×5?

[viscid swift]

no

[fossil vale]

Danggg, that's a shame

[eternal basalt]

Auto battle doesn't go to x5, x3 is max

[stoic badge]

is rld/hit tech useful for vanguard ships? Compared to trp tech for example.

[stark quiver]

its more useful than torp but less than fp

[fair lance]

raid and coalition go to x5

[eternal basalt]

Raid goes ×10 or x15

[urban mountain]

I just finished shimanto fate simulation, would she be an upgrade anywehere here?

[fair lance]

true

[soft raft]

Only really Harbin since she's her most direct competitor for comparison

[forest palm]

you'd be better putting Unzen in Mob at that point...

well fleet 1

[ivory sigil]

After full star chapter9 i just need to spam it till i got exp to chap10 right?

The handbook had quest for clear 10-4 for combatdata i think i need to reach it too

Does sandy needed for chap13 14???

[cobalt robin]

yep, w9+ stages have oil caps so its good to spam those
sandy is very good on most of campaign especially 13 and 15, 14 is whatever since there is like no aa needed iirc but her damage is good either way

[ocean terrace]

could someone explain why the boss is instantly spawning in a hard mode stage? without the mob spawning

[viscid swift]

that's what clearing mode does in hard mode

[ocean terrace]

oh so it's nothing to do with it being manual clear or an auto sortie

I thought it had to be 3 starred to be able to use clearing mode, thank you

[ivory sigil]

Yea misclick on those feel pain

[forest palm]

that's for rewards

[ocean terrace]

I just want the 2nd star but I've never had clearing mode on in hard mode it seems

[ivory sigil]

I just want to auto search on hard map but they refuse
So i angrily go auto my 9-1 and auto my opsi if oil / moral gone

It is 3 AM and im close to reach lv70

[forest palm]

if you mean x amount of kills, then you want to turn off clearing mode cause boss doesn't count for that

[ocean terrace]

yeah but clearing mode has always been off apparently, since I've never had the boss spawn instantly

[ivory sigil]

Oooooo, wow i thought you need it 3 star to get those juicy retrofit item tho, did you retrofit unicorn and other without 3star any hardmap????

[ocean terrace]

huh. I'm saying I've always manually cleared hard mode to get 3 star, it seems I've never had clearing mode on for it

[ivory sigil]

Ah, mymistake, since i know that Clearingmode since 1-4 Hard map due to of how RNG the item drop for retrofit

[ocean terrace]

I mean I don't think I've ever had the need to use clearing mode, because I want the 2nd star anyway so I've got to go for as many mob fleets as I can before boss

[ivory sigil]

That's great! I want to do the same too

But whenever i think about the ease of spamming 9-4 / Opsi in auto 🚘 i instantly skip that task for future

[fossil vale]

Are there any skip ship build here that's permanent and not drip fed like Finishers?

Really hate it that on top of amassing cubes AND gold on gacha's low rates with high pity, you also have to wait a couple of hours to actually use the unit.

[ocean terrace]

well Sandy retrofit needs a loooot of blueprints so I'm stocking up on those currently, so I can retrofit her in one go

[sweet delta]

quick finishers aren't drip fed, they're stream fed. There's no shortage of quick finishers

[fossil vale]

Still, when you get too much cubes and not enough finishers to take care of them, you wouldn't be able to pull lots

Anyway, are there any permanent methods for that? Maybe unlockable along the way?

[stark quiver]

Is this the best support fleet

[fossil vale]

Cuz shit really sucks bad

[viscid swift]

no, and it's really only an issue right as you're starting out

besides, this game has pretty generous rates for a gacha

[ocean terrace]

hard mode stages below W9 have no oil cap right?

[viscid swift]

W8 I think has an oil cap but yeah

[viscid swift]

besides, you should be sticking to one light build a day for now anyway

[fossil vale]

Nah, feels like there's way too much requirements just to pull and use a unit unlike all the other gachas out there

[ivory sigil]

She is CL so x-3 hard map right?

[viscid swift]

and tell me, how long have you been playing

[ocean terrace]

X-2, X-3 is Battleship

[fossil vale]

Bro, that's not relevant - I'm talking about actually pulling and using a unit

[viscid swift]

I know, and I said earlier that getting quick finishers will not be an issue after even a little bit of time actually playing the game

[lean valley]

Yeah there's more moving parts - the upside is that largely coins and finishers become less of an issue longer term and the rates / cube count is way way better than most gatcha games

In that you can get to a point where pulling for all new units f2p is actually viable

[viscid swift]

you cannot compare a completely new player's experience over one that has already reached oil capped maps with a good spot to farm coins for pulls among other things

and I can say that much after 5 years of actively playing this game

[fossil vale]

Agree on the first part but haven't played enough to say anything about the second - just that it feels way too messy on those moving parts on top of already trying out your luck for the gacha rates, even if it's good

[viscid swift]

again, why are you even doing more than one build a day outside the light pool

[fossil vale]

Game's definitely not for me, and that's cool with me

[viscid swift]

there's no event going on and we have a UR event dropping in a little over a week

[lean valley]

In practice when you're new generally don't bother with rates at all -- URs have guaranteed pity at 200 pulls and you can get that before the new one comes out

In the meantime do a light build a day without using a finisher (since that's free with the daily mission)

[fossil vale]

Nah, this was a glaring issue that I faced during collab

[viscid swift]

it was your first event no? Of course you were going to face issues gathering resources

[ivory sigil]

Errrr i do get what ya mean

During my 1st day trying AZ (2week ago)
-# I been quite upset to know we had to wait for its build, meanwhile compare it with nowadays Gacha like GI/HSR/ZZZ/Wuwa cuz they are like immediate pop up with flashy animation thingy

But yeah after a week in the game, finisher are exist like for nothing, i had like 500 of them sitting around for nothing

In comparision i think the game AZ had best to describe the Ship building time as a way for unique to compare to other old gacha game like FATE/KANCOLLE/etc

cuz yeah the game AZ even collab with 3D Warshipgame to making more ships etc etc. They surely something unique

Nowadays i dont see anyone mention Kancolle... idk why

[viscid swift]

this is not a game which front loads you with a bunch of resources for pulls, it gives you relatively little to start off with but the trade off is you can earn plenty of pulls over time playing actively

[fossil vale]

It's not the frontloading that is the issue, it's the fact that on top of the resources (which is a no-brainer for gacha game pulls), it also asks for irl time on top of that to allot to getting the units as opposed to just outright getting them

Personally soured my experience on this game starting out so I came here asking if there's ever a work-around that later on that wasn't just "play more" in the context of starting out on said collab

[sweet delta]

ok the answer is no to your original question and that's it

[viscid swift]

well I'll be blunt, even after say a month you get more quick finishers than you can do builds

[fossil vale]

Not really, I was running out of finishers more than cubes

[clear harbor]

It's weird...dunno why it's even a thing. Even if we got them at a 1:1 ratio, event/heavy pulls cost 2 cubes anyway.

[viscid swift]

again, after like a month

and you started right with an event

[ivory sigil]

But yeah i like the game for its casual style compare to othergame

But also, if you want to touch the endgame content for AZ, it is not gonna be a swipe and win experience.
They had the Research thingy which only include the ship that they collaborated

And it is not easy to get
They make that system almost feel like AZ game is turning itself into Warframe where u had to grind from months to months

[sweet delta]

wtf why isn't quick finisher on sam's common resources guide

[stark quiver]

its uncommon

[ocean terrace]

also for a new player, you won't even have the bulins to mlb the ship and use the ship right away, unless you've stocked up on them before, in which case you'll have enough finishers/cubes because you've prepared

[viscid swift]

you get 3 a day guranteed from just doing a build a day

and then there's plenty more from comission drops

[tulip tinsel]

comm, weekly, monthly

[viscid swift]

and monthly login and weekly missions yeah

[tulip tinsel]

and other shi i can't remember rn

[ivory sigil]

Nvm

[fossil vale]

Sorry, what? 👀

"Only include ship that they collaborated"?

So I can get more DaL ship outside collab, or did I misunderstand that?

[viscid swift]

no

[fossil vale]

Oof

[cobalt robin]

my cubes and quick finishers are like a 2:1 ratio

[fair lance]

He's talking about the collab ships with world of warships that are the PR ships

[tulip tinsel]

you can't get more dal ships untill it reruns or some other way

[ivory sigil]

Collaborate here means the World of Warship. Those are ship that is immune to gacha.

And the only way to get those ship are having many many other ship to get requirement

Think it is like, in order to become a masterchef you need to both have works and dishes that reach the requirement

[tulip tinsel]

my cubes are like a 9:10 ratio to cube finisher lol

[viscid swift]

and that count is me quick finishing every daily build for years at this point

[cobalt robin]

cheeky you arent f2p right?

[stark quiver]

he isnt

[viscid swift]

I am....

[cobalt robin]

he isnt one of us mortals 😔

[stark quiver]

depends what you mean as f2p

[viscid swift]

well I've only spend money for skins

and just a few at that

[cobalt robin]

probably someone who doesnt buy packs, pass, cubes etc etc

ive only spent money on skins so far

i did buy one cruise pass but that was only because of the monty skin

[stark quiver]

same fr

[ivory sigil]

But yeah among all Yostar game, the game kinda feel out of place for its gacha system (Mahjongsoul excluded)

But not the skin tho

[fossil vale]

Gold Bulins are weekly though, yeah? Only weeklies or are there other permanent sources too?

[forest palm]

Yostar is just a publisher

[cobalt robin]

yostar is only the publisher, not the developer

[viscid swift]

2 from the medal shop each month, one from monthly login, merit shop among others

[fossil vale]

Alright, thanks

Gonna do that, max out every DaL dupe I have

[viscid swift]

why

there's 0 purpose to leveling dupes in this game

[fossil vale]

Cuz I like them

[stark quiver]

understandable

[viscid swift]

just pick one copy to level and use the rest for limit breaking them and save yourself some gold bullins

[kindred arrow]

On a 404-Alba-Flasher sub fleet, who flags?

[stark quiver]

flasher

[ivory sigil]

So they were the one that control the money? Or they were there for advertise? Or for the outfit check?

[fossil vale]

Actually, on that note, were there only 4 Kurumis available during collab??

[kindred arrow]

ty ty

[ivory sigil]

If bro gonna sending 4 dupe of Yoshino inside a dorm, pls let me know so i can add u into my friendlist to check her daily

[viscid swift]

yes