gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

sell my soul time

[whole crypt]

the possibility of more than 2 double UR events per year made me panic for a bit

[stark quiver]

why
arent you loaded on resources

[whole crypt]

that's why it was "for a bit"

reminder of why I must stay ahead of the curve

[rain bobcat]

surely next UR is USS

[viscid swift]

who knows

[stark quiver]

god, i still need to raise haku

[whole crypt]

seen enough of these "surely" turn out wrong so just wait for it

the only thing we're kind of sure of is IJN UR going to JP anniv and as such other UR slots likely never getting IJN

even that can change but it's the only consistent trend that has held up for 5 years of UR

[silent hearth]

are we still likely getting a Unzen event?

[strange sphinx]

finally, dev 30 kear, so full on pr 8 now?

[rapid shard]

Yeah she has a confirmed rerun just no exact date yet but should be soonish

[agile patrol]

@viscid swift completely unrelated but
remember when i said getting shipyard xp takes so long
yeah. i think i was a dummy

doing it on w12, i got to like 30% with less than 3k oil 🫠 idk why i was trying to do shipyard on w9

[viscid swift]

see

I've been at this a lot longer than you think

[silent hearth]

isnt W12-4 considered the best 'overall' for time/oil/money/xp?

[viscid swift]

yes

[rapid shard]

yes

[silent hearth]

and 11-1 is the best oil to XP ratio?

[viscid swift]

I prefer 12-1 myself but small difference

[random summit]

is Mecklenburg dev 20 good?

[viscid swift]

yes but that has never been relevant

[rapid shard]

You can throw random shit at W12 and it works but W13 and up need more specific fleet setups to clear easily

[agile patrol]

12-1 best XP
12-4 very slightly less xp and very slightly more coins

[viscid swift]

no, she will get boxed in by SR Battleships

[whole crypt]

next rerun is confirmed to be Fool's Scales first

[soft raft]

No
She's currently missing:

• 1,226 HP (Which is the rest of her missing bulk)
• 35 AA
• 20% MGM Efficency
• 1 MGM

It's the last two that are very important, especially the +1 MGM

[whole crypt]

Unzen will probably be Nov or Dec

[stark quiver]

35 aa

[soft raft]

we got a date for that yet?

[whole crypt]

it was JP's upcoming section, I would presume next week

[soft raft]

Ight

...
Was gonna add a note to the rerun image mentioning that but I forgot that adding more than 2 notes fucks up the formatting for the entire thing 💀

[eternal moth]

I'd think 2 weeks, after the collab is over

It's a light rerun, so should get its own slot

[viscid swift]

they said next patch

it'll probably start next week

[eternal moth]

So they'll start it during the collab?

They're also adding the Tempestus ships to perma at that time

[viscid swift]

well they dropped the BRS collab as Lion's event was still ongoing, not exactly unpresedented

plus if they wait 2 weeks to rerun then that means there's no new event at the end of the month

[whole crypt]

danmachi is likely similar to BRS format so fairly light weight, don't think it's a real issue

[viscid swift]

it is the same pretty much

[whole crypt]

ready to oath hestia day1

[robust onyx]

Waste of oath ring

[soft raft]

I really hope we get Tempesta rerun soon so I can get rid of that 2nd note on my rerun sheet

It's been on there for way too fucking long

[eternal moth]

How about next week, as I just said?

[whole crypt]

you oath ships you like, waste or not is a personal opinion

[robust onyx]

Then I'll never oath her, I hated Hestia

[whole crypt]

fountain of youth archive was listed with scales rerun on upcoming

[viscid swift]

not being rerun, going straight to perma

[eternal moth]

Unless that's just the first Tempestus event, but I don't think it was.

[whole crypt]

it's probably next week too

[soft raft]

Did JP notes menton that as well?

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

oh man thas AMAZING

[viscid swift]

read terrible

[stark quiver]

does this mean more ships in perma for me

[soft raft]

lol rip the map rerun for that then

[silent hearth]

why is C5 for cat node farming recomended over C6?

[wind hazel]

less AP

[eternal moth]

More efficient

[soft raft]

C5 and C6 have simillar enough rewards that the higher AP cost for C6 isnt really worth it

[silent hearth]

got it, ty ^.^

[silent hearth]

Should i have all 120s going into a C6 siren? i have 3 sitting in my inventory. or should i just wait until closer to the end of the month?

[exotic wren]

say, they haven't said anything about letting CA/CB share slots in HMs yet right?

[plucky void]

depends on how your fleets are built. If you stick all of your strongest ships/gear in 1-3 fleets, they could handle one if you're taking one on for the first time. if you're distributing it evenly, expect it to take more and possibly use the spare fleets to get rid of the post-battle debuff

[vague oracle]

Is this a good gear?

[exotic wren]

for mobbing yes, It's the 3rd(?) best parallel torp

[viscid swift]

No and why would they, they're different hull types

[exotic wren]

aw

it's not even 3rd anymore?

[viscid swift]

I'd rather use breguets

[plucky void]

would suggest using a 4-torp plane instead. that is a 3x2 torp drop which lowers geometric accuracy

better if you have nothing else gold

[viscid swift]

Who cares about geometric accuracy for a parallel TB

[silent hearth]

I can usually down a C5 siren without having to go get one of the hidden enemies, depending on which one it is. i have only fought one of the sirens that had the healing buff (30% healing or something?) and that one i wasnt able to get down, but its been over a week and im quite abit higher now.

[slim hinge]

How do you they'll permanently add Admiralty Fire Control Table in the game? They can't place it in the Gear Lab since you can only craft guns and planes there.

[viscid swift]

Probably the core data shop

[exotic wren]

ye, and it's PR 5 so they'll have plenty of it while doing ply/brest

[plucky void]

you should be fine. just get your tuning up

[viscid swift]

As I said, I'd much rather use breguets than them

[slim hinge]

The monthly or limited core shop?

[silent hearth]

yup im maxed, ill go for one and see how it goes, ty!

[viscid swift]

Who knows

[plucky void]

this matters for mob fleets because of enemy spawn locations

[wind hazel]

[exotic wren]

just realized this but, for mobbing, eldrige, sandy, and london who should tank? in my mind they are all relatively squishy

[wind hazel]

eldridge

[exotic wren]

sandy off tank ye?

[viscid swift]

Eldride retro can quite easily main tank

[exotic wren]

this is my first time having eld kai so idk

[viscid swift]

But if considering this is my main tank for 12-1 right now

[exotic wren]

goddamn rainbow ship

[wind hazel]

[sly ibex]

Good day! Stupid question, which is better secondary gun for Oumi, a DD gun or CL gun?

[viscid swift]

O eHP gear

[wind hazel]

dd if st boss, campaign just use cl

[silent hearth]

DD is recomended, but a few people have mentioned

[stark quiver]

hammer has slash

[exotic wren]

oh ya, after grabbing napoli and nakhicat, should i go straight to pr 8, go back to 6, or finish the SRs first in 7?

[wind hazel]

slash deez

[sly ibex]

Thank you!

[viscid swift]

Straight to 8

[exotic wren]

doen't matter who first i'm guessing? especially if i have no prints?

[wispy cosmos]

155kai is just for w14, just give oumi a normal 155 or a pr1/pr8 gun if you have one lying around (i dont think she wants the extended range secondary gun reccs generally)

[sly ibex]

Purple ones do be fine?

[wispy cosmos]

if you only have purple options use the hms twin 152

[silent hearth]

in my tests with her ive gotten better over-all dmg in bossing and mobbing with the 155, but not by a huge amount, except with bosses that like to stay in her range. otherwise a decent DD is not much differnt.

[sly ibex]

Thank you.

[viscid swift]

If you have no prints do whatever honestly

[silent hearth]

dorm

and the differnt food buffs stack

[random summit]

Is this kind of fleet good enough?

[viscid swift]

For opsi? Could be better but you've already passed the damage threshold probably so

[sweet delta]

Although there are improvements possible, the fleets are already too good for opsi

[silent hearth]

that seems like almost overkill for OPSI lol

[forest palm]

mob fleet is gonna have a rather slow clear

[golden moth]

This upcoming collab will br 8hrs for mainte yea?

[viscid swift]

no clue

[ivory pawn]

Twitter post just says short maint.

[forest palm]

you'd think that'd mean 6 hrs

[ivory pawn]

They usually say if its 6 don't they? So probably even shorter.

[forest palm]

well JP Twitter threw out a tweet like 17 hrs ago anyway that said 14:00 to 20:00

[ivory pawn]

Surely one day EN will stop playing coy.

[forest palm]

this is why I use Staff and CN Board for AL news

like how Alabama and Myoukou are also getting UEs

[viscid swift]

I just read the JP notes

[scarlet cosmos]

What is the consensus on Hakuhou? Is she good?

[forest palm]

Anti-Heavy stonks

[forest palm]

oh, right they're rerunning the last Tempesta event next maint, right?

think the first event is being made perm too

[viscid swift]

no, just the latter

it's Fool's Scales that's being rerun

[forest palm]

ah, alright

[silk helm]

10/22?

[viscid swift]

next week I'd wager

[silk helm]

thanks cheeky

[desert cove]

its been 423 days since i played

everything is so odd

[viscid swift]

things haven't changed that much in a year

[desert cove]

anything i should do specifically

[viscid swift]

grinding as per usual

[desert cove]

12-4 as usual?

i havent touched 13-1 lmao

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4 yes, and OpSi

[desert cove]

i cant stand doing opsi no lie and why 12-1

[silk helm]

opsi is the best way to catch up

[desert cove]

but it so unbearable

[soft raft]

it's also where you grind the stuff neede to make a huge majority of the best gear in the game so it is what it is

[viscid swift]

have you completed your first month/reset of OpSi

[desert cove]

I havent played in 423 days

[soft raft]

12-1 is the most oil/XP efficent map to run while being easy enough to drag low level fodder through

[viscid swift]

okay, still doesn't answer the question

[silk helm]

12-1 or 12-4 yes, and OpSi

[soft raft]

well not much changed in 2 years besides varying levels of UR powercreep and W15 becoming a thing, so you barely missed much

[desert cove]

i dont remember

[viscid swift]

well if you have that means you've unlocked autosearch and the like

just enter each explorable node, pay some AP for reconisance, let autosearch do its thing and rinse and repeat

you have to do something when you run out of oil and/or morale after all

and who wants to say no to free xp

[desert cove]

lemme check ig

i have auto search

[viscid swift]

well there you go

[desert cove]

oh i got make new fleets

well i dont have to but i would like to

my fleet ships are maxed or almost unless 125 isnt max anymore

[viscid swift]

still is

[desert cove]

kk

[stark quiver]

who this

[viscid swift]

hatsuharu

[weak elk]

how useable are the µ ships

[sweet delta]

No generalization, some are nichely super meta while others are completely useless

You can check /tierlist

[rapid shard]

Is there a accurate list on what ships give RLD and FP fleettech?

[stark quiver]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker

[rain vine]

who would be a good replacement for mecklenburg and her gun for this challenge mode fleet?

[sweet delta]

rainbow BB #69

they ran out of purple AA gun plates 🥀

[rain vine]

wonder who that could be

[vivid nebula]

What's this month's arbiter?

Potentially one shottable with Oumi comp?

[wind hazel]

[sweet delta]

if it's oneshottable with 5 ships (missing 1 main fleet ship), then it's oneshottable with Oumi

[wicked rock]

Which stage i should farm if i want to speedrun for xp?

[uncut dirge]

Does anyone knows where I can find peanuts in Island planner?

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4

[sweet delta]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1422463299877867540 for island questions but peanuts are in between the ranch animals

[uncut dirge]

Thank you

[dapper token]

is it worth getting DR ships early but u dont have a lot if any of the bp

[sweet delta]

if she's coinable like friedrich or aegir then yes

[dapper token]

Well ig imma get friedrich first then but also is it wiser to get every shipyard ships or just get the important ones

[viscid swift]

I mean getting all of them isn't difficult

Just takes some time

[silent hearth]

once i build Shinano up would she be a good replacement of Izumo for boss fleets?

[stark quiver]

yes

[silent hearth]

im struggling so much agaisnt Yuudachi META. i can only do around 22% of her HP each sortie >.<

[stark quiver]

i can probably see why

[silent hearth]

whys that?

[stark quiver]

are you using fire extinguishers on vanguard?
correct anti light gear?
and just not good enough ships for the fight, which is fine if you dont have much better

[silent hearth]

Oumi and Hakuhou are probably my best 2 ships, ive tried a few other options for Izumo spot but she seems like the strongest option, most dmg. As far as the fire extinguishers, yes.

[viscid swift]

It would help to give Izumi the flag position

[silent hearth]

Oumi's barrage is flag position dependent too isnt it?

fairly sure it is...

[viscid swift]

And using an Mk6

And why is the FDG gun +13, sigh

[stark quiver]

pvp lore

[dapper token]

Can you coin up hindenburg?

[viscid swift]

No

[dapper token]

wait coin up is till wich season

[viscid swift]

For DRs PR4

[dapper token]

Ohhhh so dr coin up comes later than prs

[silent hearth]

why a mk6 over the 406? they are both HE, and i cant find a build guide for her but Izumo is similar so im using the suggestions she might have.

[viscid swift]

Refer to the quick gear guide for one

[dapper token]

Oh well wich is more value to coin up then FDG or agir

[rapid shard]

mk6 is the triple 406

[viscid swift]

But gear is content more than ship based

[stark quiver]

fdg gun is also 406, which is what they mean

[silent hearth]

yeah i knew what he meant, i just flubbed the name

[sweet delta]

i'd keep the +13 fdg gun

[viscid swift]

Fire controls radar would also be preferable

[red hawk]

I thought Oumi liked the 406/50 from core shop?

or is that just content based

[stark quiver]

for?
yes content based

[viscid swift]

Again, you gear ships on content

[red hawk]

some ships want specific guns don't they?

[viscid swift]

Especially for main fleets

Like who

[red hawk]

I don't know, I was asking, because I've seen some associated with specific ships due to their stats and stuff

[weary edge]

should i +13 ryuusei or+13 tenrai first

[viscid swift]

If you mean gun names

The name is determined by which ships carried then irl

[red hawk]

not necessarily because I know you don't use the guns named for ships on those ships specifically

[viscid swift]

Nothing more to it than that

[stark quiver]

musashi wants IJN guns for example

[red hawk]

I guess I meant that there are guns with different fire rates and stuff that work on some ships and not others

[stark quiver]

gangut wants her gun

[red hawk]

or work better, even on the same class

[viscid swift]

Gonna have to be more specific if you want reasoninh

[silent hearth]

yeah i thought a strong barrage character prefers a faster FR?

[viscid swift]

Otherwise we'd be here all day

[silent hearth]

in general

[viscid swift]

Every BB in this game gets the majority of their damage from their guns not their barrages

[red hawk]

I guess the few ships that use the DD gun for fire rate would be an example

of exceptions to gearing for content right?

[silent hearth]

really now? i thought some have a stronger barrage then their main cannon fire. good to know

[viscid swift]

The pea shooter users

Some ships want it because their main guns are terrible but have good barrages like Shima

[silent hearth]

so why does Izumo have this as her third reccomendation, just over the MK6?

[weary edge]

should i +13 ryuusei or+13 tenrai first

[stark quiver]

because you didnt read ectl guidelines

[sharp socket]

mfw ectl guidelines

[viscid swift]

Others have such good barrages that it off sets the loss in main gun damage to the point even using the best guns only matches their performance with the pea shooters like z52

[stark quiver]

uhh ryuusei?
do you need to +13 them
and do you have ryuusei kai +13d

[viscid swift]

That's for general content

[silent hearth]

thats gibberish to me, i have no idea what MFW ECTL guidelines are

[weary edge]

no im js wondering when i get there

[stark quiver]

neither
because ryuusei kai is better than both at its job

[viscid swift]

As in least likely to suck across all content

Not optimizing for specific content

[weary edge]

yea that’s what i meant the plane we just got

[stark quiver]

ryuusei kai then

[viscid swift]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[dapper token]

which is more value to coin up then FDG or agir

[stark quiver]

also why is cheeky up at 2 am gphing

[viscid swift]

Like, there's a reason why we break down gear damage across the different armor types

[red hawk]

FDG usually first

[storm olive]

I don't think they sleep

[weary edge]

ts pmo when i ask a question abt gear and someone just posts a link to gear guide in response like hey maybe im asking the question bc the gear guide doesnt answer it for me

[viscid swift]

Then clarify what your issue is

[stark quiver]

i dont think the guide was sent for you, because its not a +13 guide

[sharp socket]

the ectl gear guide isnt good, use the suchi guide that cheeky linked

[viscid swift]

We aren't mind readers

[weary edge]

my question is should i +13 ryuusei or+13 tenrai first

[stark quiver]

but i am a text reader, and they asked if +13 ryukai or tenrai

[weary edge]

like tf i dont think u need to read minds to understand my question

[viscid swift]

Context dependent on number of factors

My policy is not to +13 stuff until I NEED it

[sharp socket]

tenrai is terrible to +13 and you can +13 3 gold planes for one tenrai

[viscid swift]

And I do mean need

[weary edge]

so it’s better not to +13 just for the sake of getting it to +13, well that’s pretty obvious actually, when do i know i need to get smth to +13

[viscid swift]

When you need the extra damage as a breakpoint

And you can't reasonably make it up somewhere else

[weary edge]

makes sense

shit dont grow on trees

[silent hearth]

my problem is that being given a list of options that say 'this is the best option' with no context why doesnt help. if i understood what the differences were i would understand better. ive looked for information about barrages over cannon fire, or what armor mod means and i cant find squat.

[sharp socket]

+13 to meet certain demands that cant be done by other things elsewhere

[sharp socket]

this is because the guide takes lots of info from the game, the wiki, people's testing and other stuff to condense it for an average player to understand and use

[stark quiver]

mk6 is better beccause its 3x154 instead of fdg gun's 2x156 for for the alpha damage
but since you +13d fdg gun, just keep it there

[red hawk]

some of the graphical guides show what gear is good, but don't explain what content it's good for

[silent hearth]

where on the wiki does it talk about armor mods? ive looked for over half a hour on a dozen differnt pages but nothing goes over it

[red hawk]

like how is a new player supposed to understand what the fuck converging bombers are

[stark quiver]

damage calcs probably

[red hawk]

and stuff like timing setups

[sharp socket]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Battleship_Guns

[red hawk]

It's all good to be like "here's the stuff you should use in chapter 13 with this ship"

[stark quiver]

they ask

idt a noob needs to care abt timing since they dont have the gear to replicate any results

[red hawk]

it's another to be like "This is the best weapon for (obscure terminology addressed nowhere in game)"

[dapper token]

Whats shimanto good at thinking of coin uping her after ancho

[sharp socket]

there exist guides for that too

theres guides for various things that people wanted guides for

[viscid swift]

For main fleet gear it's saying X is the alpha damage against y armor type accounting for everything

[red hawk]

they don't need to know it, they can't do it, but it makes the guides confusing to understand WHY stuff is good to better grasp the core game

[sharp socket]

sometimes you just hit on those niche guides because gph is for everybody

[stark quiver]

then just ask questions, thats how everyone kinda learns
or you take 2 existing options and compare

[viscid swift]

The math isn't difficult but it gets tiring having to do it for everything and is very intimidating for new players

[silent hearth]

where does it mention armor mods?

[viscid swift]

Understanding why is a cluster fuck in this game

[silent hearth]

or explain what 140-110-90 means?

[weary edge]

yea im slow as shit and i suck at math

[sharp socket]

maybe like scroll a bit?

[red hawk]

it just helps when you have some reasoning provided to why stuff is good in some content and not others, instead of just a ranking system that doesn't really explain the use cases

it's nice if you tell people what to use, but if there's a way you can do it so they also like... understand why

[silent hearth]

and WHERE does it explain what that means? because WTF DOES LEVEL 0 LEVEL 1 LEVEL 2 LEVEL 3 MEAN?

[sharp socket]

140-110-90 is the armor mods, for light/medium/heavy

[stark quiver]

lol

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations
I mean

[red hawk]

that helps a lot

[viscid swift]

take a look at the amount of formulas and variables you have to keep track of

to do damage calculation for one piece of gear on one ship

[stark quiver]

again, just ask, idt anyone is gonna write an essay of explainations for a simple question like what gun do i use against x

[sharp socket]

did you even read anything in the link i sent you

[viscid swift]

this is before we even get to stuff like spread, shell velovity, firing pattern, barrages, etc

[stark quiver]

they dont understand how they got the levels

[silent hearth]

jesus christ. how does that compare to the picture i sent you? because i dont see XXX-XXX-XXX-XXX on the armor mods on the equipment

[sharp socket]

my brother in christ the numbers mean light/medium/heavy armor mods for 140-110-90

[viscid swift]

this is where the armor mods are listed for weapons on the wiki

[knotty jolt]

I've learnt to just trust the process, the stuff that matters in game can be completed with anything with pretty much whatever gear.

[viscid swift]

it's always light, medium, and heavy armor in that order

[sharp socket]

which means the gun does 1.4x damage against light enemies, 1.1x damage against medium and 0.9x against light and that modifier is slapped into the damage calc formula

[red hawk]

damn AP really sucks against light

[silent hearth]

so the numbers are just %'s. That makes far more sense.

[red hawk]

yeah they're how much your damage is modified based on armor

[silent hearth]

doesnt help at **all **

[viscid swift]

that's just another damage multiplier

[knotty jolt]

Tldr the higher levels means more damage

[viscid swift]

this one applies to base/all armor types

[red hawk]

how do you end up with higher modifiers

[viscid swift]

don't ask me why it exists

[cobalt rapids]

+13

[stark quiver]

you +11/12/13 weapons

[knotty jolt]

Different ammo types have different modifiers

[red hawk]

ok

[knotty jolt]

They get augmented differently with +11 +12 and +13

[sharp socket]

the damage modifier thing is just another multiplier

[red hawk]

so level 1 is 11, 2 is 12, 3 is 13?

[knotty jolt]

Yes

[silent hearth]

thats interesting, so is the level 0 supposed to be a +10? then how would you figure out what a +13 HE would look like?

[sharp socket]

the game is horrible at explaining this because its hidden in the spaghetti of code

[viscid swift]

Rule of thumb

[knotty jolt]

Guns they show nothing, at least with bombs on planes it shows the bomb damage changing

[cobalt rapids]

ingame its hidden but wiki or aldb lists the dmg mod at various enh lvls

[rain bobcat]

AA, and increase vangaurd survivability by providing shield and heal

[viscid swift]

+11 is 4% more damage over +10
+12 is 6% over +11
+13 is 8% Over +12

[rain bobcat]

wdym you can LITERALLY read it

[sharp socket]

w15 AA carry, alternative to UR options if you don't have those

[silent hearth]

just at base, then you use something like 140% for a HE on light would be something like 146%? (rounded because math hard)

[viscid swift]

No

Ammo modifier and damage coefficient are different

[sharp socket]

the armor mod is a separate multiplier

[cobalt rapids]

no those are independent multis
check the wiki damage formula for how they apply

[viscid swift]

Sigh

[viscid swift]

'

[weary edge]

the guy started the game a month ago relax

[knotty jolt]

Tbh majority of this you don't even need to know to do endgame content for the most part

[sharp socket]

its basically
damage per shell x no. of shells x damage coefficient x armor mod

[viscid swift]

It's easier just to follow the guide

[sharp socket]

and add gun mounts too if you're using it on a ship

and fp stat for that too (whole other can of worms)

[viscid swift]

I pretty put most of it together with help from others

[weary edge]

guides dont always explain everything and sometimes leaves people with more questions than answers

[sweet delta]

tldr

1. You don't need to know the details
2. If you want the details, read the formulas and suffer

[viscid swift]

So it'll reflect pretty much anything we say

[sharp socket]

the bottom line is that just follow the guide and don't think too hard

[viscid swift]

And frankly I've played the game longer and know more than you do

[sharp socket]

if there's something wrong with the guides people would be dogpiling it alot more

[knotty jolt]

Bigger numbers = better

[weary edge]

that’s why we’re asking you questions????

[sweet delta]

🧀 video with 100k views

[viscid swift]

That's why I'm telling you it's not worth digging in too deep

[weary edge]

it’s not that there’s smth wrong, it’s that sometimes people look for specific niche information that guides dont always give straight answers for so it’s easier to ask a person who can answer it for u

[silent hearth]

yeah it just makes it difficult to figure out what direction i should go first. im still on my first month of OPSI (after first reset) and i dont have a lot of mats to spare to make a good gun for light armor, medium armor, heavy armor, so im going with 'general' and unfortunatly as good as this image is, it doesnt have general groupings.

[weary edge]

like it’s literally called the gameplay help channel idk why the fuck some of you guys get pissy when someone asks a question

[rain bobcat]

there is no general

[viscid swift]

Just use the Mk6 as your main BB gub

[rain bobcat]

this is literally as general as you can get

[weary edge]

mk6 highk goated

[viscid swift]

Like it literally says follow light armor reccs sigh

[sharp socket]

vid from 5 years ago

[rigid onyx]

do kimo cheese videos have comments about how bad they are at the top

[sharp socket]

we give information when asked about it, wdym

[stark quiver]

no, its mostly glazers

[rigid onyx]

curious

[sharp socket]

kimocheese vids are all old and all the comments are old too

[weary edge]

sometimes u get pissy passive aggressive people that give u that condescending “ur an idiot” attitude when new ppl ask questions or they just slap a guide into channel and call it a day

[viscid swift]

We slap a guide because that will be a lot better than us having to explain or repeat ourselves

[silent hearth]

throwing up random links, then when asked what armor mods do throwing up random images that dont have anything to do with it doesnt help

[severe glade]

im getting stuck on chapter 3-3 since my backline units kept getting sniped by the bomb ships, but im out of bulins and gear. Should i just autorun chapter 2 to get ship xp?

[viscid swift]

Honestly why a lot of suchi's guides were created

Got sick of repeating myself

[weary edge]

what ships r u using

[rapid shard]

yeah just keep lvling for bit

[rain bobcat]

do you have a battleship?

[sharp socket]

you asked for a wiki link explaining what armor mods are so i gave you one

[severe glade]

i copied the one in the guide with the guild shop ships

gimme a sec lemme take a screenshot of my lineup

[sharp socket]

then you asked for what damage modifier is so i gave you that too which is in the link i sent

[silent hearth]

then when i asked where does it talk about it you linked that image

[rapid shard]

If your following the start guides just make your sure limitbreaking and just keep lvling. once you get 10-15lvls above you can clear with just about anything

[severe glade]

The purple one keeps getting blown up

[viscid swift]

More limit breaks

[weary edge]

do u have saratoga? u should replace li w sara

[rain bobcat]

yeah ur backline is just lacking stats

[viscid swift]

Among other factors

[silent hearth]

no, your right. maybe i jumped the gun abit because im tired of getting thrown links with a essay of information and no direction. i looked over the page and didnt see anything that mentioned armor mods, but didnt see the first image. i apologise.

[weary edge]

sara’s barrage can help w clearing the suicide boats

[severe glade]

alright ill do some of the weekly missions for the bulins im assuming i dont have saratoga either so i guess more lbs the solution

[silent hearth]

@viscid swift i know you send there are no 'general' weapons but rainbow weapons are a huge step for me, and if i get one i want it to be something i can use in 'most' content. Is it better to use this image litterally and slowly build each piece up evenly or to get 1 or 2 good weapons like mecklenburg gun for medium/heavy and just keep the MK6 for light, or would getting the Mk7 work good in most content?

[sharp socket]

if you want a mobbing gun get 457 from protocore shop

[viscid swift]

1. You don't need bis for most content in this game

The last option listed is still perfectly good for most content

[sharp socket]

if you want to do opsi bossing just use the mk6 and champagne guns

[viscid swift]

The top stuff is for late game

Like one shotting meta bosses and the likes

[sharp socket]

for vanguards it doesn't matter because they don't do enough damage anyways

[viscid swift]

The list was planned out so that every line would have an easily obtainable option

Like

You're not at the point where you're trying to optimize

[silent hearth]

that doesnt answer my question. nevermind, thank you.

[viscid swift]

Just make sure you have solid gear on your ships

What

[sweet delta]

you didn't answer the question

[viscid swift]

That's not a priority guide first and for most

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

We do have a priority guide for The gear lab on suchi's site

Somewhere below

Which I linked to you earlier actually

[sharp socket]

he's looking at it without any context and expected an answer without context

thats how im reading it

[cobalt rapids]

mk7 and mecklenburg gun do not conflict with the way you aquire them in the first place
you should check gearlab prio guide for mk7 since thats where u get it
if you cannot afford to +13 then sit on mk6
you should work on the gold gears first and slowly transition to rainbows
some guns are higher improvements over the others
u find that out by using a calc, doing the math urself or asking

[split gazelle]

when is the protocore prio being added to suchi's site i keep having to find it

[sharp socket]

he also doesn't know that some of those guns listed are either event locked and wont return for at least a year or take really long to get

[viscid swift]

Anyway, tldr

Don't try to generalize

Always have stuff in your pocket to be able to deal with different armor types

Also yeah

Look into how some of these are acquired first

[sharp socket]

lion gun, raffy gun are event locked, meck gun is in pr8 and would take at least a few months and large amounts of investment and time

[viscid swift]

Some of these are easy, others are not

[sharp socket]

twin 457 you can get one copy from protocore and then 6 months of opsi for the second copy

[split gazelle]

do you need 2nd copy of 457

[viscid swift]

Not really no

[stark quiver]

i have 3 but i only use 1-2 at a time

[split gazelle]

what do you use the 2nd one for?

[sharp socket]

i used 2 for funny shenanigans on meta fight to get 4 strikes

[stark quiver]

my xp farm fleets
and to not bother with gearswap

[split gazelle]

and to not bother with gearswap
ok thats valid

[sharp socket]

this was in a time before i had agir or ply or any buffers really and just 3 UR BBs and helena and a dream

[viscid swift]

Flexing on people mainly

Basically why I have 4

[split gazelle]

boomers

[stark quiver]

aura farming as they call it

also im a new player

[viscid swift]

I'm a zoomer actually

[stark quiver]

sure

[viscid swift]

Alpha you are older than me

[sharp socket]

2 boomers talking why they're not boomers while a true zoomer is here

[wind hazel]

S E X

[severe glade]

By the way the guide says that I should look for retrofitting portland asap, but is that something i worry about now in chapter 3 or something I do way later

[wind hazel]

later

well some of the retro trees can be done earlier too for some stats, but the modernization part where she turns into retrofit ship is later on

[rapid shard]

How many clears does it take to drop W12 hard modes to safe?

[wind hazel]

10

[heady brook]

anyone know ?i reisntall, cache, force stop but sitll stuck like this

[sweet delta]

internet problem more likely, try VPN or turning your internet off and on

[heady brook]

nothing, it used to work though, idk why it never worked again

[neat terrace]

in between bismark 2 and essex retro which is better to use with alsace fritz for meta? no lion here

[dapper token]

So she's like sandy

[patent thunder]

in the campaign chapters does the #-1 give more exp or #-4 give mor exp? ik the other gives more coins

[flint frigate]

Does anyone know where to get her, is she even a playable ship?

[rigid onyx]

is there a 15-1 auto guide anywhere

[patent thunder]

in the campaign chapters does the #-1 give more exp or #-4 give mor exp? ik the other gives more coins

[heady brook]

somebody help, im stuck in here after download all data, been reisntall 2 times

[rain vine]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15/

[whole crypt]

as stig said it's usually a connection issue, can't tell you much more than that

[rain vine]

X-1 is better exp per oil
X-4 is better gold per oil

[whole crypt]

just because it worked before doesn't mean the connection is viable now

[muted wind]

any chance the country you're in might be blocking connection to the game servers now?

[whole crypt]

or otherwise network hiccups

or firewall settings, etc

[heady brook]

im confused now, i dont use vvpn or much anything like it, i can download the 22gb fine though

[whole crypt]

game servers aren't the same as app store's

[muted wind]

the in-app download servers also separate from both of those iirc, so you might just get blocked for one

[whole crypt]

try a different connection somehow

[muted wind]

yeah, try mobile data, a vpn, or a different wifi connection, whatever you have access to

[rigid onyx]

... not quite what i meant

what carries do people use for 15-1 cog chip farming?

im only getting away with 2 leveling vanguards atm which seems incorrect

[red sapphire]

Good morning. Is there purple equipment worth +11?

[rain bobcat]

im positive that's it unless im doing smth wrong as well lmao

[muted wind]

yeah, you'll need to bring a tank for farming in 15-1 generally

[wind hazel]

musashi/raff unicorn +1 more healer if you need, eldridge+2 shitters at lv11x+, the higher level the better their survivability

[muted wind]

well, that is 2 vanguards to level then lol

[wind hazel]

i mean the less is better, if you wanna level them up then 15-1 maybe isn't the optimal place to do it

[muted wind]

i'll just say you trade flexibility in what/how much you can level at once vs cog chips by going higher

[wind hazel]

none i can really think of. toolkit? lol

beacon and manjuu i guess

[wispy cosmos]

akagi's aux if youre using her?

[muted wind]

that would imply akagi is worth using

[red sapphire]

I see. Then I just keep the mats

[wind hazel]

it was worth +11 for few months when fox wall was a thing in pvp

[cobalt rapids]

but it doesnt work on the muse version

[red sapphire]

Oh by the way. Following the general equipment guide (don't have the name in hand) I equipped this to a DD because of the hp. Is something better I can get that's not event-involved?

[wind hazel]

ngl i dont recognize that gear

as long as it is 500/550hp it's good

[wind hazel]

what 530

[cobalt rapids]

getting a 550 hp gear is an upgrade over it
but not like theres any particularly worth farming or getting

[boreal wagon]

elites go to 530 not 550

[cobalt rapids]

i think mori ment a 550 gold hp gear

[wind hazel]

action af is 550 at lv10

[boreal wagon]

yeah cuz magic

but generally they go to 530 at +11

[wind hazel]

ye but we dont recommend +11 purple gear

[red sapphire]

I see. The thing is I need something for general DD usage and don't know what to use for Hp

[wind hazel]

so any purple gear/gold 500/550hp is good enough

[boreal wagon]

yeah i just got confused what u meant but umi pointed out what u meant

[wind hazel]

[cobalt rapids]

2x toolkit is more than serviceable
when u inveitably get 550 from mini events and collabs then u can replace the 2nd ones

[red sapphire]

Oh, okay. I'll do that

Thank you!

[muted wind]

the toolkit passives don't stack btw, so as long as the other one has 500+ hp, it's basically the same

[red sapphire]

Yeah, I know. But that coin is the only thing I have aside Toolkits. Rip me

[muted wind]

operation AF is actually in the ltd core shop, but it's probably not a priority for 50 hp

[wind hazel]

it's worth grabbing once you got all the priority item. it has good effect for campaign

[red sapphire]

Alright

[wary saffron]

Guys I got prinz Eugen is she good

[cobalt rapids]

nop

[rapid shard]

wet noodles do more dmg than her sadly

[wary saffron]

Huh

[rapid shard]

she does abysmal dmg

[wary saffron]

What’s that

[rapid shard]

really really shit dmg

[wary saffron]

Noted

[rapid shard]

been going throu the old skin permeant events and started Gridley's. Are these just permeant in my inventory or can you open them at some point?

[rain bobcat]

horrible

[gilded carbon]

Dont they disappear once the Event is finished, "exchanged" for the skin?

[red sapphire]

Do you guys approve this gear setup until I get Prototype Tenrai, that will replace Helldiver?

[granite token]

i need to build these two vanguards for vittorio

[rapid shard]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/quick-gear-guide

[rapid shard]

Havent fully finished but every other one ive done gives randoms rewards with skin being final. this is first ive done that hasnt

[red sapphire]

Wait I just realised the first slot didn't increase Efficiency what?

[muted wind]

it does work in combat, just newer skills don't have the correct data to display in the details, don't worry about it

[rain bobcat]

doesnt show

[red sapphire]

Oh okay thanks

[rain bobcat]

also ur planes are fine for bossing but you should use double parallel for campaign unless boss doesn't move

though I would prefer using ju on that first slot

[red sapphire]

Yeah the idea is bossing heavy armor

[red sapphire]

I placed what the guide say. Should I swap?

[muted wind]

swap if you need to adjust timings, that's fine as is

[rapid shard]

I thought she needed a IJN plane in slot 1 for the skill proc

[rain bobcat]

wait right I forgot

[muted wind]

just needs to be a torpedo bomber, no faction requirement

[red sapphire]

She does need ijn for increasing ship AVI

[rain bobcat]

avi

[red sapphire]

Depending of type also grant benefit

[rapid shard]

Had to double check

[rain bobcat]

avi is what I forgot

[muted wind]

ah yeah. god, having multiple different requirements in one skill is insane, jeez

[red sapphire]

I hope it's worth it at the end

[muted wind]

yeah, that's good then, any other good slot 1 option would just make your airstrikes slower then... and looking at it, you don't want that

[red sapphire]

For a CV fleet I just go 3 scepters as Augments right?

For single tgt bossing

[rain bobcat]

yes 3 scepter

[red sapphire]

Cool. Thanks chat

[muted wind]

scepters are generally recommended, yeah, though it doesn't really matter as long as the fastest loading CV has one

[red sapphire]

True

[muted wind]

... well, unless the boss is shelling your CVs, but that's a separate issue. then definitely scepters on all

[red sapphire]

Alright. Thanks

[rain bobcat]

remind me amagi is the fastest of the 3 right (shina hakuhou)

[muted wind]

she definitely has the most RLD, but that seems like a gear question mostly

[rain bobcat]

oh wait, she's slower than my hak because I forgot she was 199 aff

[red sapphire]

No idea missed the event

[muted wind]

my shinano loads 0.01s faster than amagi due to gear

[rain bobcat]

im guessing thats double ju nano with amagi having like ju+vit?

[muted wind]

double ju nano with double vit amagi

[red sapphire]

What's ju?

[muted wind]

Ju-87 D-4, german torpedo bomber from gear lab

[red sapphire]

Ahh ok

[rain bobcat]

cba to login and im apparently getting scammed by mrlar

its ever so slightly off by like 0.03 or 0.02 on timing compared to ingame

[red sapphire]

If I have Haku + Shinano + Slow, I know I have to stretch the launchtime as much as I can but in what order should they launch?

[wind hazel]

slow between

[rain bobcat]

slow should be between

[wind hazel]

and idk about stretch part

[rain bobcat]

should also be within 0.1-0.2s of each other max

[red sapphire]

Oh, I see... Shinano last?

[rain bobcat]

well 0.2 is already stretching it kinda

[wind hazel]

that's kinda extreme lol, matters more with avp

[muted wind]

i should probably adjust my haku to be a bit closer than 0.2s away actually

[red sapphire]

I see. Thanks, I will do my best to try that

[wind hazel]

.2 is not that hard

[rain bobcat]

its like exactly 0.2 if haku is on double ryuu and nano is on 2 ju

unless im getting scammed by mrlar again

[red sapphire]

xD

Well, will try to get a bunch of ju then

[wind hazel]

a bunch=2

2 of each converging TBs are enough

[red sapphire]

Alright. Thanks!

[muted wind]

yup

[rain bobcat]

haku prob has to fire first with saiun

well ig the timing is fine as is

[muted wind]

are those timings with cat RLD?

[red sapphire]

I was struggling because I missclicked level to "70" I'm so smart

[rain bobcat]

yeah, 41 tech + 34 cat (my 2nd cat not perfect)

[muted wind]

i only have 24 from cats, my CV cats aren't optimized, partly because... for what content. it's not about to give me another airstrike

[rain bobcat]

yeah I stopped rerolling for the 2nd perfect

I only miss the 6 rld from the mechanic anyway

[muted wind]

hm, i could just put a tenrai into amagi's first slot and give nano a ryusei in slot 3 and... they're all within 0.04s

[rain bobcat]

ok pause

[muted wind]

yup, that's my gear loadout now

[rain bobcat]

[red sapphire]

How do you have 20? You use aux?

[wind hazel]

guild boss is omega dead woaw

[rain bobcat]

max rld tech +cat

[red sapphire]

Ahhh okay. I have 23 rip

[wind hazel]

dont worry it's the same

[rain bobcat]

doesn't really matter as long as you have like idk 40 total including cats

[safe nexus]

How to build my sub fleet to do the weekly submarine from daily raid?

[wind hazel]

it wont matter because 3 strike=3strike

[woven star]

Until it's higher 20 sec doesn't matter

[safe nexus]

then do i just do the highest i can clear rn?

[red sapphire]

Right

[wind hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxC2Iy4XVfE

[safe nexus]

fun ty

[wind hazel]

this wasn't for you btw

[gloomy shell]

alright, help me out here: apparently there is one "new" quest in harbor, marked by the exclamation mark. Does anyone know what / where it might be? its not the research console, its not any of the npcs.

2nd pic are current missions w/o weeklies and event missions

The last island dev mission i did was "finish one transport" after unlocking manufacturing.

[patent delta]

Hi, I just started playing the game. Should I start summoning right now, or is a good banner coming soon?

[violet grail]

From what I've been told, outside of events with a UR, you should only do a single light build per day for the mission which refunds the cube, otherwise save cubes to be able to have 400 of them to guarantee hitting pity for a limited UR during an event in case of really bad luck.

[rain bobcat]

1 light build daily outside UR, once above 800-1000 you can start pulling on normal events if you want

[marsh parrot]

is PR 4 and below the only research series that allow coin catchup?

[wind hazel]

PR5 below, DR4 below

[rain bobcat]

pr5 below

[violet grail]

also if you are looking for good ships to build early, there's a really good guide:

https://azurlaneecgc.com/early_ship_recommendations/

you don't want to focus on Super rares or URs early on when you just started because you won't be able to fully max limit break them yet. so those ships from guild shop are better to start levelling. Especially unicorn and portland that you want to retrofit asap and those two keep getting used well into mid-late game (at least till end of chapter 12 or even further) even after you start upping some SRs and URs. They're just that good.

[eternal basalt]

#1422463299877867540

[mighty rose]

Do i really need submarines for w14-15, and OS?

[eternal basalt]

You get 29(?) tickets to freely pull ebent ships next week though

[wind hazel]

they will help tremendously, it's possible to do without them but it require really strong account to do so

[violet grail]

Oh maybe I should start setting auto-call subs then while I farm 12-4 huh? I've got I-58, Nautilus and U-410, are those fine or should I grab something else from a shop? Not gonna level I-404 since I have no intention of spending UR bulins on her anytime soon.

[tulip tinsel]

its not worth to spend bulins on 404 anyway

[marsh parrot]

is she just mediocre for a UR?

[violet grail]

I think its just that surface ships take way more priority over subs

[marsh parrot]

true

[muted wind]

i-404 has a crossfleet effect that triggers even if you don't send her, so you may as well use her anyways...?

[marsh parrot]

is hakuhou good?

[violet grail]

oh? so level her even without limit break then?

[rain bobcat]

best antiheavy CV

[onyx flame]

techncially you dont even need to level her, lvling just the crossfleet skill is enough and ofc slotting her into the sub fleet for the effect

[muted wind]

i'd honestly still recommend her, you'll have the spare bulins eventually. i was also looking for a submarine guide but i can't find it, does anyone else have one?

[marsh parrot]

is plymouth good without dev 30?

[rain bobcat]

purely for flagship buff, not really for dmg

ply dmg is much lower without her 3rd gun mount

[violet grail]

So far only got Hakuhou MLB as my only UR, so that eventually is a ways away still

[rain bobcat]

for what

[muted wind]

if he's gonna level subs anyways, may as well level i-404, even if just for the crossfleet

[rain bobcat]

you can get a team comparison/individual comparison from suchi's thing

[elfin hollow]

chat, most efficient lower than 20 oil cost full team?

[patent delta]

Thank you bro 🫶

[muted wind]

oh, yeah, the spreadsheet, i figured there'd be an actual guide, but i guess that works too

[rain bobcat]

tldr I-404 flasher archer> i404+2 variants>fishpack>wolfpack iirc

[wind hazel]

what's the context

[patent delta]

I started yesterday so idk ?

[muted wind]

yeah, there's an event rerun next week, you can get some tickets there (for just the rerun), should be easy enough to get all even as a new player

[elfin hollow]

i accidentally spammed war archives and saw my oil go from 14k to 6k 💔, need a reaally low oil cost team

[patent delta]

Oh i see Thank you

[elfin hollow]

i deeply regret this btw in case anyone was wondering, i really do

[wind hazel]

why are you doing war archives?

[violet grail]

if you are below chapter 9, theres a few war archives maps that have oil cap so you can farm for cheaper there than in campaign

[muted wind]

1. don't do war archives (unless you want specific war-archives only stuff)
2. don't the D stages there have oil caps?
3. run 1:1 fleets

[elfin hollow]

too many data keys, was doing daedalian hymn (no 21) three starred all two stages to sortie D3 just to see this msg 💔

[violet grail]

I was doing passionate polaris SP5 before I had commander level for chapter 9 for example

[wind hazel]

well here's a good advice; you can ignore the data keys

[onyx flame]

btw there zero reason to 3 star war archive stage (unless it really really bothers you)

[elfin hollow]

i wanted the war archives babe tho, duca degli

[wind hazel]

and to add on, 3* war archives does nothing at all. it's a total waste of oil

[rain bobcat]

^

there's 0 reason to 3 star

[elfin hollow]

well then how do i sortie this, it says clear the "required" stage without sayin what stage that is

[violet grail]

is this also the case for event stages like during amahara for the hard stages?

[wind hazel]

if you're already at D3 then just take advantage of the oil cap

[onyx flame]

hard stage bottom left

[muted wind]

the required stage to get D3 is D2 i.e. you need to clear the full hard mode

[wind hazel]

new events have missions tied to it. war archives do not

[elfin hollow]

oh my god i thought that was for campaign map just bugged there somehow, fuuuuuuck i lost my oil fuuuuuuck

[muted wind]

[elfin hollow]

over 7k oil GONE for nothing

[wind hazel]

💀 so you were grinding B3

[elfin hollow]

yes bro with max lvld troops too gang oh my god 💔

gained absolutely NOTHING

[wind hazel]

just cut your loss, get away from there it's really not worth doing

[elfin hollow]

hey i went that far i might as well continue until i get that damn ship

[muted wind]

i mean, if you still want duca, time to play the right stages, oof for that oil though

[wind hazel]

you can spook duca from light dailies, really dont waste your oil

[elfin hollow]

yyyeaah that oil is gone for real 💔

[violet grail]

I feel your pain bro

[muted wind]

oh yeah she is in the light pool, give up bro

[elfin hollow]

ok yeah well nvm then ig 💔

[rain bobcat]

even if you have random sec on, ur first actual secretary still gains aff right

[elfin hollow]

ill do duke war archives then

[violet grail]

I pulled duca like a week ago from a daily build lol. Not using her though

[elfin hollow]

so is there no war archives exclusive ships then jesaust 💔

[onyx flame]

if your trying to get DoY you can get her from the merit shop (which would be better)

[muted wind]

she's in the merit shop

[rain bobcat]

no of course not lol everyone in war archives maps are in the perma pool

[violet grail]

is it only the first slot secretary that gains?

[elfin hollow]

ig ill just ignore my data keys

[muted wind]

good plan

[elfin hollow]

i appreciate them makin me spend 7k oil tho, worth the elites and rares

[rain bobcat]

last time I used data key was 2021

[wind hazel]

there's like really limited worth to grind war archives. it's either divergent chessboard for IB ships, Jeanne dArc if you somehow missed Eldridge retro, Seydlitz if you're a pvp nerd, that's about it

[violet grail]

ive been sitting at 60/60 since a couple days now, hard to resist the itch to not waste keys, but gotta take the advice and let it go.

[elfin hollow]

true

[wind hazel]

+UU/PP SP5 for commander exp

[rain bobcat]

me when yk2 archives since I want a few more hvar so I don't have to switch

[elfin hollow]

ill still look around for low oil cost squads for now tho cuz rn i have oil cost ptsd

just to be safe 💔

[wind hazel]

inb4 doesnt drop

newer account low oil=unicorn+DD

[violet grail]

Im at 29/60 on polaris for the cosmic kicks though, maybe someday ill go back and close that one out

[wind hazel]

if you have strong crossfleets you can do ranger+cassin/downes+crossfleets

[rain bobcat]

time for u to go back in time and use lb0 cassin downes

7-2 manual grind vets

[violet grail]

What chapter are you on? and is there actually any reason to go for low oil cost fleet of bad ships rather than just levelling something you actually need?

[elfin hollow]

6, for fun lolz, might as well use the extra fleet formations (i lied its not for fun i dont wanna spend oil anymore let me keep my oil)

[violet grail]

At that stage the extra fleet formations are only for stat sticks, to get air superiority or for hardmode requirements. you're mostly still just playing monofleet at chapter 6 imo.

[violet grail]

you already have x6 level 120 ships?

[elfin hollow]

my highest ship lvl is at 90ish, i was exaggerating there

max stars at least, therefore high oil 🥀

[violet grail]

oh thats quite far from maxed then, yeah just keep levelling your main fleet in that case and pushing for chapter 9. im guessing you wouldnt be able to farm sp5 polaris yet in that case for the earlier oil cap?

[rain bobcat]

push with 1 strong fleet until chapter 11 and even 12-1

[violet grail]

yeah I didnt start working on my second fleet till 12-1 personally

[elfin hollow]

yeaah ill do that

[violet grail]

you have MLB retrofitted unicorn yet?

[peak fable]

so uh, how many BPs do I buy with coins per day? 10 or 15? I assume 10 is much more gold efficient, but 15 is faster dev...

[elfin hollow]

with zero star rares probably

[onyx flame]

well at least with them dumping that much oil into war archive they pretty set for commander level

[elfin hollow]

i dont have retro uni yet no

[violet grail]

I've been buying 7 dev coining, coz im poor 😛

[onyx flame]

depends on how much coins you got but 10 is the avg

[muted wind]

i'd say 10 is a good trade-off between cost and speed, but feel free to go for more or less depending on whether you can afford it

[onyx flame]

with 10 bp its take a month to finish a pr ship so depends on how fast you want the ship up/cost

[peak fable]

3k vs 8k gold, that's a pretty hefty price diff, I think Ima stick to 10 for now, I am in no crazy hurry anyway

[onyx flame]

i coin both pr and dr everyday so broke its sad

[violet grail]

thats probably your main priority then

[last gust]

why am i always getting random disconnect

also how to do combo meal? i cant seem to do it lol

[violet grail]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1422463299877867540

easier to get help for island there

[onyx flame]

#1422463299877867540 but you have to craft the food item one by one to count apparently

[violet grail]

Hm, should I not farm campaign today and just save oil for tomorrow's event? sitting at 4k oil atm. 10.5k in mail storage.

[onyx flame]

should i even bother getting hakuryuu (just need 50k coins)
I got kahukou mlb, shinano one copy away from mlb no implac but gonna grab avp soonish.
and hakuryuu looks like she want to be fs5 so thats like 2 and a bit months of coining

[muted wind]

you'll have enough time to clear the event missions anyways, no need to save oil if you want to play now

[eternal basalt]

Can, you have tp farm xampaign fof points anyway

And you can also get points during rerun

[neat terrace]

you can just unlock her later once you have bp for high dev level, no reason to rush unlock pr ships if you don't have resources and they just sit in dock

[grizzled sundial]

Uh what up with rodney meta fight ? All my torp plane aim for the clone which deal no damage while the real one not even affect by Impla stop . Do i need BB for this ?

[wind hazel]

you need to desync your main fleet

[lunar arrow]

What was comment for Ur release order?

[wind hazel]

any salvo/strike within 1.5s will be nullified

[rain bobcat]

where was that rodneyM fleet picture

for IJN slaves

[lunar arrow]

Oh,it like that

[forest palm]

we're getting Fool's Scale like next next maint btw

[rain bobcat]

yeah next week unzen then fool scale the week after

[forest palm]

no there is no Unzen afaik

Fool's Scale first

it's in the JP Notes

[austere flower]

unzen rerun?

[forest palm]

it's in the pipeline

no hard date though

[austere flower]

Well hope I can get them bc am new player in this game

[lunar arrow]

Collab+Unzen?

[forest palm]

people unnecessarily spreading Unzen rerun

[wind hazel]

send them to gulag

[fleet urchin]

so next rerun is not unzen?

[forest palm]

yes, if you could read what I've been saying

[wind hazel]

next UR to rerun is unzen.
we don't have a date for it

next event to rerun is not unzen's event

[fleet urchin]

sadly

[elfin hollow]

"you don't need a low oil cost team just push from chapter 6 to 9 for oil cap"

[wind hazel]

it's that simple, really. dev made it easier since you clear with 1 sortie before chapter 9 now

[deep cypress]

They should really make it like that for every chapter. Clearing 14 and 15 is a bit of a pain. But oh well.

[wind hazel]

they should give us free 50k oil every week and free rings free gems

[deep cypress]

Free arrays.

[austere flower]

Is Hestia worth to get? Or I can skip her?(for new players)

[elfin hollow]

ykw that doesnt sound like a bad idea

[wind hazel]

she's free

both danmachi characters are free as long as you play the game daily and do the missions

[grizzled sundial]

Unless the repair ship can do something crazy , good is a stretch for hestia

[austere flower]

Really?! That cool fr

[wind hazel]

yes really

[onyx flame]

dr5 might be coinable by year end right?

[wind hazel]

jan 2026 most likely

[onyx flame]

aight so if my math is right i can coin finish one more dr after agir before dr5

[rapid shard]

When they become coinable do they add the BP catchup for them?

[onyx flame]

season 5 already has catchups

[rapid shard]

Well thats good to know. Been focused on PR4 ships lately and haven't checked in a while

[forest palm]

Catch Up always happens longs before Coin-ability

[rain bobcat]

that 800 oil is already 3 stages

that can get you from 6-1 to 6-4

[rapid shard]

||I'm just slow and didnt think to scroll down on catch up list ||

[desert cove]

how do i get rid of mass amounts of oil fast

[ivory pawn]

Buying the 5000 dorm food is the fastest.

Naval curry I think it was. There’s also 1k commissions, buying the opsi logger for 4k oil, and ofc actually using your oil via sortieing.

[rain bobcat]

"mass" is vague and this also depends on time ur willing to spend running fleets

[wind hazel]

15-4 x3+heclp

[desert cove]

that will do

[rain bobcat]

I got rid of my 300k oil within around 5 days of running 3 fleets

[onyx flame]

300k yeesh

[desert cove]

holy hell

[rain bobcat]

wasnt even enough, I didn't get enough gold to gear and +10 my entire dock

only got halfway

[desert cove]

to make fleets do yall just throw ships to gether

or do you look at abilities and find synergy or something

[peak fable]

is it a bad idea to focus on one faction to get faster to high tech points for research? (I really like Iron Blood)

[violet grail]

I outsource the big brain thinking and ask on here

[peak fable]

both can work, it depends on individual ship strength. Sometimes individual ship strength can easily outweigh a supposed synergy.

[wind hazel]

try to balance them out but it will be leaning towards 1 or 2 faction in the beginning

[desert cove]

giga brain

[desert cove]

i tend to just make one nation fleets

[wind hazel]

use good ships

[desert cove]

u dont say

[wind hazel]

unicorn is good ship, put her on mob

portland is good and cheap tank, use her as a tank

[desert cove]

i really never found the need for zombie fleets

or just cheap fleets in general

[wind hazel]

what zombie...

[silk helm]

low costing good if u oil broke (me)

[violet grail]

Left 4 dead collab in azur lane

[peak fable]

oh, should I get new ships from the medal shop, if I don't have them or prioritize dupes for ships I already have?

[violet grail]

Dupes for MLB and retrofit id say.

[desert cove]

like a cheap cv and cassin or downes

[wind hazel]

Medal shop priority

BB-Alabama, the rest for faction tech
CV- Enterprise, the rest for faction tech
CA- no priority, only for faction tech
CL- San Diego, Sirius, the rest for faction tech
DD- Kazagumo, the rest for faction tech
SS- U-96

get medal from retiring rare and elite ships from your grinding session

can get duplicate to save gold bulin

[rain bobcat]

he meant use 6 good ships not 1 nation fleets

cool if you have the 6 good ships in that nation

[peak fable]

"CA-no priority" 💀

[desert cove]

well thats how i typically bulit my fleets

[wind hazel]

well, it's true. no good ships among the CA

[peak fable]

yeah, I fully agree, I looked at them even before and was like "do I even want any of these" lmao. But at least getting Prinz Eugen, gives you like, crazy high Faction Tech points, idk why.

[wind hazel]

because ironblood faction gets double point

[peak fable]

wait really? why is that?

[onyx flame]

there isnt a lot of IB ships at all

[muted wind]

they had few ships early on, so that was just to balance it out

[wind hazel]

earlier days they were small in number, so dev double the point to ease the shipyard requirement

[muted wind]

... which actually still is weird because they could've just halved the shipyard requirements

[peak fable]

so basically Iron Blood is easiest faction to max tech points?

[wind hazel]

otherwise you wouldn't be able to unlock fdg 😭

[muted wind]

no

[wind hazel]

by today standard it's either eagle or ib

[peak fable]

is it because those ships are easier to acquire?

because double points is still double points, you just gotta find a way to get the ships in the big pool

[muted wind]

IB's tech cap is also much higher in turn now, so you still need a similar amount of ships

[peak fable]

oh

[wind hazel]

eagle is just huge in number, so they come from everywhere. lots of event with them too in the past

🫃🏼 it was eagle or ib glazing back and forth

[peak fable]

ahhh, now I get it, so getting tech points is eaiser, but hitting the max is not

alright that answered my question pretty much

[muted wind]

i got... not quite twice as much as needed to cap tech for IB and... more than twice SE and EU... and RN is looking sad lol

actually, just by points IB should require the least ships to cap, so maybe it is the easiest after all, just not sure how much of that would require limited ships

okay EU and SE being close is just me apparently having a bias towards leveling SE ships, EU would be easier

[peak fable]

tbh, I feel like it is the easiest, if you happen to get a good chunk of IB ships to start with, cause the PR ships also give you Tech points after all

[muted wind]

yeah, probably

[peak fable]

does anyone know how Taihou and Graf Zeppelin are with their respective augments

I already read the ecgc tier list thing

just wondering if anyone here has personal experience with them

[brazen lotus]

Graf zep has high avi and efficent dive bombers but thats literally it, her barrage is garbage

[peak fable]

you make it sound as if her augment is not even worth it

[brazen lotus]

Its a delayed creeping barrage, shes not a boss cv, havent tried her in w13+ to see if her mob makes up for it tho

[lucid orchid]

vanguard i have portland, helena and indianapolis, indianspolis is quite fragile, any good vanguard to replace her?

[onyx flame]

if you havent you can also read up on the augment tier list by suchi
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/augment-modules

[peak fable]

I love him, and I have read it, but a simple "tier rating" is hard to determining the actual value of an augment

I'm also trying to read the databank entries

that's a big number, scales off of 80% AVI, but she gets more than most ships anyway

[muted wind]

that seems high, but that should be spread out so realistically it's just 240 once to each enemy on the field. nice for mobbing, but not massive damage against anything

[rapid shard]

I just judge if its B rated or higher than it isnt really a waste investing in that aug if I like using the ship. The comments on the side do help a ton

[muted wind]

oh, and 80% AVI scaling is basically the default for any aircraft payloads iirc (minus rockets, which are usually 100% AVI, for some reason)

[peak fable]

likely the case

[boreal wagon]

its the default for bombs and rockets on a DB

[peak fable]

luckily I plan to use her for mob fleet anyway, I happen to be a Z fleet enjoyer

you know what, Ima just get her and her augment and become full on Iron Blood simp

[rapid shard]

I can say with Taihous tho it does give her a nice dmg buff and makes her nice to use in Opsi mob clearing

[cobalt rapids]

its a carpet bombing of 4 lines with 5 bombs each so not amazing for single target

[muted wind]

ah yeah, usually 80% AVI for bombs and rockets, 100% AVI for torpedoes, i misremembered

[boreal wagon]

rockets are 100% unless its a dive bomber

[cobalt rapids]

just db rockets
fighter or tb rockets are 100%

[muted wind]

huh

why did they do that

[cobalt rapids]

skyraider was too op 😭

[muted wind]

the fact that this is just... not shown in-game at all just makes it even worse

[peak fable]

higher base scaling, looks good, but armor mod vs light and medium significantly worse it seems

[boreal wagon]

it is if u are on cn

[muted wind]

i knew CN shows the "correction" multiplier, wasn't aware it also shows stat scaling... and why don't we get that

[boreal wagon]

CN shows scaling, attribute and exact coeff yeah

[rapid shard]

I haven't dived super deep into the scaling with it just went off suchis guide. I was using her basically all last month on lv5 zones and she did really solid dmg and usually wiped everything off screen

[muted wind]

they probably know the other servers wouldn't read it anyways

[peak fable]

yeah, not trying to diminish what you said, I'm grateful for any input c:

[peak fable]

not fair

[floral latch]

Question about crafting gold weapons in AL.

Basically all we do is just.. Waiting for research to be done so we can get the blueprints for the gold weapons? Idk how should I get more of them besides waiting for research to be done.

And if only by research, which one is better?? Those long 8-12 hours or I should just keep doing the 30-2 hours everyday ones??? I would require guidance on this. I wanna make my ships stronger, maybe went passing 12k in total for vanguards and main battle units. Because even though my ships been reaching 100, all of their totals are on 12k ;-;

[rapid shard]

No worries just throwing out my smoothbrain gameplay experience with her with aug.

[viscid swift]

First off fleet power is a useless metric

[muted wind]

research is one of the easier ways to get gear, if you want to focus gear take short tasks that cost gear plates or coins. the other way to get good gear is gear lab/operation siren, and obviously gear boxes though those don't have a lot of good stuff

[cobalt rapids]

theres also weapons u can get in gearlab or in techboxes
and as a sidenote not everything gold is good
consult a gear guide for what is actually good gear

[viscid swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376280341337346220/1394706831984693477/chrome_vwpxMIIs7k.png?ex=68e73035&is=68e5deb5&hm=207872f407e5d027ad29ae00eddc3d509b92bd639bc9d857e15ec171d81ccf11&

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1346530718637097080.webp?size=56&animated=true

[gilded carbon]

So, she doesnt need her Shimanto-Gun anymore now, doesnt she? What other gun(s) fit her best now?

[cobalt rapids]

plygun

[floral latch]

I see. So changes will be..

Pick research that takes gear plates or coins for more blueprint, and gear lab/siren ops for more, despite I'm struggling if the diff is more than 3.

@cobalt rapids I'm not gonna rely on the tech boxes, I have too many purples now.And also...uhh.. That graph confuses me.. Sorry

[gilded carbon]

Ehm. Wich one was the Plygun?

[muted wind]

rainbow

[wind hazel]

quad 152

[cobalt rapids]

no problem

[floral latch]

What is the graph basically telling if you don't mind?

I never thought this game mechanism is getting this difficult

[muted wind]

the letters are on the research task themselves, the other part is their duration

[cobalt rapids]

it is tiering the research projects based on their expected value

[gilded carbon]

ah, the gun you can buy from the Shop. Thx.

[rapid shard]

The type of research options to pick for either ships or gear. The best to least worst options

[floral latch]

So basically.. If I want my shop gets stronger, pick 30 minute D

If better gears then 0.5 Q?

[rapid shard]

For example this is a D 2.5hr research project. Its bout middle of the chart for ship focusing. A gold D .5hr would give more prints for time spent

[wind hazel]

kansas over gouden

[viscid swift]

It's honestly preference whether you go for ship or gear focus

[rapid shard]

She's almost Dev30 lol

[cobalt rapids]

ship focus means it rates the projects based on their expected return over total time spent in the season prioritizing ship blueprints amount
gear focus is the same thing but prioritizing gear prints amounts
in practice ull pick a mix of both

[viscid swift]

I'd still take the Gouden research

The Kansas prints will come easily enoygh

[floral latch]

I'm always picking research that has no shipgirl picture on. And always picking the 6-8 hours either purple or gold. So.. It's wrong?

[rapid shard]

Need like 50ish more prints and I just want Kansas usable even tho shes mid

[viscid swift]

Usable for what

[wind hazel]

for eagle fleet

[muted wind]

the long free tasks are terrible in terms of what they yield... but they are free. if you actually want stuff, you should avoid them

[floral latch]

Okay my research is done. And my current list had no shipgirls and all had... C, G and H. All MI, what's that mean?

[rapid shard]

Im a eagle BB simp 🤷‍♂️

[viscid swift]

The free researches yes, the expression you get what you pay for comes to mind

[violet grail]

When im constantly going down to 0 coins though they are far better than just not doing any research though.

[wind hazel]

take Q then. need no coin

[muted wind]

i'd rather spend cubes on research than waste hours on nothing

[wind hazel]

unless it's really shit and you have no choice

[violet grail]

Idk how up to date or situational it is, but ive been using the ecgc research tier list for picking which ones to take when I am able to take anything other than free ones tho.

[cobalt rapids]

the MI part doesnt matter
the normal researches end in MI or RF but that doesnt matter
UL are special rare research which are the best in their category or more like in the graph
the first letter determines the research type ( basically from what project family the project is from )
the number section determines the duration
but referring by those numbers is bothersome so we refer to them as letter(Q,G,H etc) + duration ( 1.5 hours, 2.5 hours, 4hours etc. )

[floral latch]

Okay hang on. So basically if I want better gears, pick Q, if want ships, pick D, correct? And avoid the 6-12 hours free/coin costing project?

[cobalt rapids]

avoid projects that arent on the graph yes

[muted wind]

ship focus is about enhancing research ships, not getting ships, just in case that was a point of confusion, but basically

[cobalt rapids]

and there arent better gears because researches that provide gears share the pool from the specific season
following the gear focus u just maximize the gear parts income so you get more (on average)

[wary saffron]

Can someone tell me how do I get those rainbow coins

[muted wind]

you don't anymore

[viscid swift]

you can't anymore

[wary saffron]

Alright thanks

[lofty zodiac]

The shop is still open today

[floral latch]

I have no ships from shipyard yet, because my Konigsberg won't enter service until they got fully retrofit. So they can grind Room exp

And my research focus currently on PR/DR 2, did I make a wrong choice here???

[rapid shard]

Yeah but event is gone so cant get more currency

[cobalt rapids]

you can tap on each project on those "?" blueprints and u can see what rewards they offer you

[rapid shard]

Focus PR8

[muted wind]

yeah i'd be surprised if they could buy 185 vouchers if they ask how to get them

[viscid swift]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

https://suchiguma.github.io/miniguides/research-focus if by research focus u mean the focus in academy and not shipyard u should swap it asap

[lofty zodiac]

Do you have spent all your event currency?

[floral latch]

Alright, hopefully something new will come up after this one is done.

I'm currently running Georgia medium D project, and just changed the focus to VIII.

From II

[cobalt rapids]

focus guarantees that at least 3 projects from the 5 selection will be from your selected focus

[wary saffron]

Those coins? If u mean those rainbow coins then no

Bc I don’t even know how I got those

[floral latch]

Yep academy. I won't proceed on another shipyard research until Roon is done first

[floral latch]

I'll try

[lofty zodiac]

No the last event currency...

[viscid swift]

if you're not in W12 yet don't focus on any of them

[rapid shard]

Just curious with Soyuz rerun in the near future would it be worth swapping focus to PR7 to try and get Nakh dev30 by the time Soyuz comes out?

[floral latch]

Sorry if I'm getting confused with all of this.

I never know about this whole mechanism and etc, always thought these research is basically just.. Like.. Time filling activity thing.

[cobalt rapids]

no need to be sorry, this is a help channel

[violet grail]

Is PR5 Harbin fine as a catchup focus? I switched my research focus to 8 now.

[wary saffron]

You mean PT?

[rapid shard]

For Context Umi only limited UR i currently have is Hakuhou rest is Golds and MLB NJ

[cobalt rapids]

if in the middle of 8 then finish 8
if finished 8 yes, if not started yet then its debateable
I dont keep track of reruns but 4-6 months before soyuz rerun is good for season 7 focus

[wary saffron]

I have 1200 of those