gameplay-help

[south sequoia]

is it high or mid?

since its a specialized armor gun

[royal copper]

great i missed out on that

[stark quiver]

somewhere in the middle

[south sequoia]

ah

[royal copper]

yo whats a good fleet builder web

[wind oxide]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[royal copper]

cheers

[warped acorn]

why it seems these logger have 2 type of color? what it represents?

[stark quiver]

red are single bosses
blue are hiddens

[warped acorn]

oh thanks

[proper cypress]

As a new player, I'm at world 8 when should I start doing opsi?

[stark quiver]

as soon as possible

[eternal moth]

Hmm. Gold 8 hour rainbow, or 1hr cube?

[stark quiver]

id take the cube

[zenith pebble]

does kronshtadt count as vanguard hen it comes to pr?

[stark quiver]

yes

[worldly pewter]

georgia gun is what made me clear w15

although TBH i never had used it since collecting dust

[wind hazel]

pvp 📈

it's also the top mobbing gun

just use them on your mobbing bb when you're grinding

[worldly pewter]

i use a blue quad +0

[wind oxide]

[royal copper]

[zenith pebble]

[worldly pewter]

[forest palm]

[astral dragon]

Alright boys, I'm level 71 and I don't know what I should be doing at all. Anything specific I should be on?

[wind hazel]

grind grind and grind w12

[forest palm]

Ops grind

[astral dragon]

Oh ah... I'm kind of on 9-1.

[royal copper]

grind everything

[forest palm]

we have down time so now is as good a time as any to push campaign, but also remember to do Ops

[sweet robin]

Who is the better tank.. Azuma or Anchorage?

[forest palm]

Anchor

[sinful escarp]

push campaign until you clear w12> grind levels for other ships and start opsi

[royal copper]

anyone know a good oil efficient team to auto w15-4

[forest palm]

does 15 not have oil cap?

[royal copper]

anything cheaper?

[tropic tusk]

could i sawp sove with zwei for w15 boss?

[wind hazel]

yes

[tropic tusk]

same gear works right?

[wind hazel]

yes

[tropic tusk]

3q

how about ply should i change her with de zeven

[royal copper]

wb sandy

[tropic tusk]

sandy is in mob

[royal copper]

shimanto?

[tropic tusk]

mob

[royal copper]

send mob fleet

[tropic tusk]

so rude

[royal copper]

[sweet delta]

@slow fox where +40 AA

[versed forum]

which gun is worth to lvl+13?

[tropic tusk]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/images/equip_misc/%2B13_Priority.jpeg

[stark quiver]

you can try the mk2 HE gun since meta boss is light armor right now
have 2 +13 champy guns already
you can also choose to hold onto the plates until you actually need to +13 something

[summer sable]

Do any of the rocket planes in game use tiny tims

[tropic tusk]

need help on w15 tips n gear

[robust nymph]

bofors are good right? what about the other thing?

[wind hazel]

staag is good

the quad40... i'd rather just get from techbox than craft it

[robust nymph]

good option on sandy?

[cobalt robin]

You want that for backline preferably

Especially bbs cause of the hit stat

[robust nymph]

okay let me see

[wind hazel]

no

[cobalt robin]

Give sandy gold quad or roomba

[robust nymph]

rn my sandy has purple bofors so, alright

[wind hazel]

no gold AA gun?

[cobalt robin]

The gold quad will be an upgrade

[robust nymph]

got these + new staag

[stark quiver]

that looks better than my 2024 depot

[cobalt robin]

Give sandy the twin 113mm

aka roomba

[wind hazel]

^

[robust nymph]

oh alright, who do i give the staag? and on warspite would gold bofors be better than that purple gear?

[stark quiver]

staag on backline BB

[cobalt robin]

Staag on any bb

Same thing with hazemeyer which you also get from researches

Hit stat is lower but it's still good

[left cedar]

~~thoose plebs and they staags, its a new age the age of UR HIT AA Gun ~~

[royal copper]

i thoguth sandy wanted these

[hybrid swift]

Hi guys, who should I try MLB next

[sweet delta]

i dont see that in the player's depot

[wind hazel]

do you see that in his screen?

[stark quiver]

she does, but it doesnt look like they have it

[royal copper]

oh he sent a ss

[sweet delta]

ask when you have 4 UR bulins available

[royal copper]

woopsies too busy screenshoting lol

[stark quiver]

only have 3

[robust nymph]

btw gold twin105mm on prinz and hood is better than purple twin 113mm?

[wind hazel]

any gold>purple

[stark quiver]

pompom

[robust nymph]

also how did i get all of these from a single research it never happened before

[stark quiver]

did you take a gold 30m

[hybrid swift]

I have prototype core that is enough to buy two more UR bullin. Should I use on vanguard, kronsh,NJ or shinano

[royal copper]

wouldnt it depend on who u alr have

[sweet delta]

none of them, they're perma URs so use duplicates instead of bulins on them. The bulins go to either Bsm zwei or implacable

[tropic tusk]

if i got la9 would i sawp this for uni?

[ebon verge]

does anyone have 4k full hd image of the /gearlab command

[stark quiver]

for?

[sweet delta]

open the image in a browser for full resolution

[tropic tusk]

w15-3/4 mob

[tropic tusk]

https://azurlaneecgc.com/equipment/

[stark quiver]

what you wanna use la9 in w15?

[tropic tusk]

yes

[stark quiver]

expect to die a lot more often

[ebon verge]

oh took me a while to find that button, smh discord update

[tropic tusk]

ok no use it is

[robust nymph]

is this an upgrade btw? (bb)

[cobalt robin]

no

[hybrid swift]

Ok thanks

[wind hazel]

only upgrade is mk2 mk7

[royal copper]

the dmg dropoff oh my

[stark quiver]

la9 has no interception and aa

[tropic tusk]

how about mush mob this or use white instead?

[stark quiver]

white shell
unless you have real skill issue, and in the case of your fleets, youll have to really mess up the gearing

[wind hazel]

he might need it fr

his aa guns are lacking

[stark quiver]

laff, sandy shimanto frontline btw

[wind hazel]

need Gouden to save the day

[ebon verge]

i can make either a 3rd wyvern or a 3rd tenrai, which one should i do

[cobalt robin]

Where do you get the table

[royal copper]

z52 guam in the mob works asw

[wind hazel]

neither tbh

[stark quiver]

check wiki

[tropic tusk]

it was an event item

[cobalt robin]

[ebon verge]

do i make spearfish instead?

[stark quiver]

do you need it?

[cobalt robin]

Will it ever be available again?

[stark quiver]

hopefully

[cobalt robin]

let's hope

[wind hazel]

up to you, it's optional luxury

[stark quiver]

spearfish is fun to use

get to flex on wyvern noobs

[ebon verge]

i wonder if it is better at bossing compared to ryusei and vit2

[stark quiver]

what armor?

[tropic tusk]

i assume support fleet require good gear also right?

[stark quiver]

no not really
you should read the chapter 15 guide

[wind hazel]

technically yes the appropriate gear is needed

but they are cheap and easily accessible

[stark quiver]

spearfishy is kinda of a mobbing plane
i used it once for yukikaze meta

ryuusei and vit2 are heavy armor bossing planes

[tropic tusk]

so they need at least some gear

[crimson glacier]

fighters avi and reload

[stark quiver]

if you throw random gear on them, youre gonna die

[crimson glacier]

nothing else matters

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 you should really read suchi's guide. been telling you past 10mins

[ebon verge]

so it's more like a wyvern sidegrade ?

[stark quiver]

its a faster wyvern without intercept

[left cedar]

damm, this song is so good, i will hear rn

[stark quiver]

and more expensive, hence the flex on noob wyvern users

[ebon verge]

dw im kinda rich (at least for now)

[cobalt robin]

wyvern is cooler anyway

[stark quiver]

do you have anything else better to spend the ords on tho

also heads up, december may have a gear lab update that brings plymouth gun to lab, lowkey more useful than a spearfish

[ebon verge]

what gear also uses the ords? i only know spearfish and twin457

[stark quiver]

drake gun which isnt that importante
tenrai, spearfish, 457

probably plygun in the future (few months maybe)

[tropic tusk]

this this ok?

[stark quiver]

no

[tropic tusk]

[stark quiver]

get 3 more

flap should be prio'd in actual fighting fleet

[tropic tusk]

so 3 more of that and im good?

[royal copper]

is that support fleet

[stark quiver]

your entire support fleet should be running those

the auxes are not fine
give fritz a 2nd cata
give the +13 cata ob nakh to a ship in fighting fleet

[royal copper]

i saw someone run double this and it works for me

[stark quiver]

im gonna sleep @wind hazel work your magic

[cobalt robin]

dw guys I am here

[royal copper]

dw guys soreys here

[tropic tusk]

so like this plus 3 more of that plane

[royal copper]

is this for w15

sorry dumb questions support fleet ofc its for w15 duhdoi

[ebon verge]

i have 2 ply guns rn

[royal copper]

u guys think laf or z52 works better in w15

[tropic tusk]

laf 2 theres hope laf 1 theres no hope

[royal copper]

poor laf 1

[tropic tusk]

they arent ment for going late game

[royal copper]

maybe i jus wont change whats not broken lol

[slow fox]

holy hell

[jagged path]

I need a good healer for my fleet, who do I use?

[royal copper]

uni retro

undisputed

[wind hazel]

any aa gun, any 45avi plane on tb

-# or any higher avi

[royal copper]

is hwah jah actually that good for support fleet ive seen that jit been used a lot

[tropic tusk]

i see 3q

[wind hazel]

yes, see her efficiency? way higher than even nakh

[royal copper]

aight bet say less

wait holy moly tf

btw are those planes actually any good

[wind hazel]

only for support fleet purposes

[boreal wagon]

they are good but only really for support fleets

[royal copper]

would these be better or worse

[wind hazel]

worse

[crisp estuary]

[royal copper]

how much would it affect the battle if ive alr completed w15

[crisp estuary]

Wait, I missed one random ass Chinese CV with high eff

[royal copper]

would it make the batle faster

[wind hazel]

maybe?

[royal copper]

oh

[crisp estuary]

New plane over Flapjack. Time to farm it

[royal copper]

looks pre cheap to craft ngl

[wind hazel]

you can just mix them if you wanna be stingy a bit

[royal copper]

wait does the fire rate of the planes affect how fast ur support fleet activates

[slow fox]

fiexd

[signal kraken]

Is there no way to disassemble/sell augment modules? I'm over like by like 27

[tropic tusk]

when u crarft pruple ones / gold just use the un use ones to craft

[signal kraken]

it actually won't let me, maybe because I'm still over when selecting it all or it doesn't eat the modules until it goes through

[tropic tusk]

could u show a picture of where ur stuck

[sinful escarp]

deym you let them build up too much....

[signal kraken]

I'm thinking the only solution outside of expanding is to just equip ships until I'm under the limit.

[sinful escarp]

do you have any other purple ones? worst case upgrade the blue ones until you have space for 1 purple one

[signal kraken]

oh, I can use them as exp fodder for existing ones, not from crafting a new one. I see.

[tropic tusk]

dont know if it works but ucan try it

[wind oxide]

Anyone have chart or something for corrosion level wise hidden zones material drops?

[crimson glacier]

i dont think there is anything like that

you dont farm specific places for specific stuff

everything just drops everywhere pretty much

[tropic tusk]

its not u dont its u cant

[eager sleet]

@tawny cradle here saur

[tawny cradle]

Oki

[fickle parcel]

Does 2x from combat plan count for PR unlocks?

tyty

[lethal spire]

what is SAP ammo type?

[shell willow]

i forgot, snorkel hull on these 3?

[shell willow]

semi armor piercer thats usually better on med than ap but worse on heavy, but just check the modifiers on the equipment itself

[plain saffron]

Plane of the support fleet yes

But don't go full fast plane because of that, it still need to do actual damage instead of just launching fast

[lethal spire]

im still confused with armor modifier, what does the number mean? like 45-110-90

[shell willow]

0.45 damage multiplier vs light, 1.1 against medium and 0.9 against heavy armor

[lethal spire]

i understand it now, thanks

[tawny cradle]

Chat how to use exp cards?

[shell willow]

click this

[narrow kiln]

Are you talking about experience "books"?
Or about combat data pack?

[tawny cradle]

Idk but my friend said this

[cobalt robin]

The books then

[cobalt robin]

Refer to this

[narrow kiln]

In that case, the advice is above.

[tawny cradle]

Oki

Thanks btw

[naive nexus]

any of you know if ship gets sunk but you still win, will it still get full xp?

[hollow gust]

It will

[bleak sequoia]

I have noticed that augment attribute conversions are getting reset to 0. Is this normal? Hmm, I did re-install the game from scratch on my Android phone a couple weeks ago. That was to fix skin issues.

[naive nexus]

so using like 2 high levl ships to carry 4 lvl1 in like chapter 11-1 should be no problem?

[hollow gust]

Well if they die , the can't be used next battle

[naive nexus]

oh yer forgot about that part

doh

[split gazelle]

U-101 doesn't need hull, U-37 doesn't need snorkel. Also U-101 / U-96 / U-81 is best in slot now, unless you have U-552 which is better in non-campaign iirc.

[shell willow]

thx, no 81 or 552 right now so these will do

[split gazelle]

Gotcha, I suppose you didn't get the summer voucher where you could claim a u-81?

[lethal spire]

any recommendations what should i get from these?

[split gazelle]

oh nvm you already have all leveled. lol

[shell willow]

yeah they are leveled, i have 81 from the voucher but unraised for now, idk if ill bother with her

[split gazelle]

yeah fair lol

[gilded knot]

Whch one should I choose? Design wise I'm leaning Harbin, anything I need to take into consideration?

[naive nexus]

I say Prinz have the most usefulness of those 3 unless you want/need tech points whit china or soviet faction.

[gilded knot]

I'll look her up and see how she compares to Odin. Assuming they fill the same role

[tropic tusk]

is ther like a link or sth to see which gear has wht stats the highest ?

or like a excel or sth

[robust nymph]

is OS a good way to level up commander xp? and also combat data xp i suppose since its oil free

[tropic tusk]

i dont think opsi gives commander xp all i know is it gives ship xp

[robust nymph]

ah sad.. once i unlock ch13 (very soon) do i go straight for that? i heard that farming 12-4 is better but not sure why

[tropic tusk]

yes 12-1 more exp 12-4 more money , all u need is uni on mob fleet and its free exp for the rest, also just add a boss fleet so uni +5 random mob and a normal boss fleet

[robust nymph]

and ch13 isnt as good? why

[gilded knot]

I would farm 12-4 until I'm ready

[tropic tusk]

its just 12 is easier to farm

[gilded knot]

W13 is a culture shock, and W14 is a nightmare

[robust nymph]

also, if uni has good gear the remaining ships can be level 70-100? and is this only for 12-1 or 12-4 too

[tropic tusk]

yes random ship best be lvl 70 +

[gilded knot]

12-4 is more efficient, and so good to grind for exp and points

[tropic tusk]

u can run without uni , but then ur gears should be decently good

[robust nymph]

is this good enough

[gilded knot]

That works

[tropic tusk]

give her a aug man

[gilded knot]

Oh yeah she needs the magic wand to make the bruises go away

[robust nymph]

i don't have many rocks, is it worth on her

[tropic tusk]

u think about it uni+5 random do u think its worth

[robust nymph]

which one would it be?

[gilded knot]

Well, it boosts her preload

[tropic tusk]

staff

[gilded knot]

Scepter for me

[robust nymph]

i suppose im gonna use her in ch13 and onwards so probably a good investment

[tropic tusk]

ur going to use her for mob everywhere

[gilded knot]

She should be the first pick, even up into W14

[tropic tusk]

uni is the best healer in game

u still use her in w15

[gilded knot]

I woulld hope so, I'm still stuck at 14-3

[tropic tusk]

wt u mean hope so shes really used in w15

[gilded knot]

I'm just saying I don't know shit about w15

[tropic tusk]

as long as they dont give u a even better healer uni and aqulia are the best

even if they do aqulia will be the one to remove

[gilded knot]

Unicorn top dog for sure. Would Perseus perform better than Aquila?

[tropic tusk]

aqulia is 2nd best

[wind hazel]

perseus is a main healer. aquila is a secondary healer

[gilded knot]

Never needed to build my Perseus since Aquila and Volga takes care of all the healing

[gilded knot]

Ahh got it. So where does Zuihou fit in all this?

[tropic tusk]

if u dont have them then zuihou will be ur last choice

u also have volga so u dont really need zuihou unless u going for sakura tech

[gilded knot]

I might build Zuihou for Sakura points, how does she compare to Ryuuhou?

[wind hazel]

secondary as well, but very good if you run triple dd or low hp cl

she is ryuuhou but on steroid

[tropic tusk]

moriiiiiii do i use mob to kill 2nd boss? then boss to kill 3rd boss? for 15-3

[wind hazel]

you can do mbm or bmb

[tropic tusk]

bmb is easier right?

[gilded knot]

Unicorn kai, Aquila, Volga and Ryuuhou is built for me.
Just thinking if Zuihou and Perseus is worth building

[wind hazel]

idk about your fleet

[gilded knot]

Perseus is up there on alot of tier lists so

[iron jetty]

I got 60 crystal fragment what meta ship do I buy?

[wind hazel]

just keep them if you're new

[iron jetty]

alright ill keep them

[tropic tusk]

mushi , uni , aquilia , laffy , sandy , Shimanto ===mob
alice, nano, amagi, guam ,ply ,eld === boss

[wind hazel]

eventually you'll buy the one with good lv120 tech, but it's not something a new player will do

[wind hazel]

can try mbm

[tropic tusk]

this hp is so scary man

[wind hazel]

wait that's 15-4 lol

[tropic tusk]

15-3

[wind hazel]

15-3 just go mb

there isn't 3rd boss in 15-3

[tropic tusk]

oh 15 3 only 2 boss?

oh i cleared it with bm

[wind hazel]

whatever works

[tropic tusk]

x4

[robust nymph]

is ch15 hard mode a thing?

[tropic tusk]

not yet

up to 13 so far

[quick grotto]

Hey guys, do you know why when I hit "Recommend" on Awakening Research commissions, no one shows up? I have Portland and Trafalgar above level 100 and completely unoccupied.

[zenith heron]

Can Combat Data Collection 2 still accept EXP grinding even when its own PR/DR ship has yet to unlock that one?

[tropic tusk]

@wind hazel but if i go 15-4 same team which is better ? bmb or mbm

[robust nymph]

is there a way to know in advance if a certain OP zone will give my ships 0 xp after killing ships?

[wind hazel]

idk, try both. mbm seem stronger tho since your mob is stacked, and boss kinda pepega

[boreal wagon]

cbc 2 only accepts exp when it itself is unlocked and cbc 1 is fully finished

[zenith heron]

nice good thing I stopped at the last moment, I guess time to wait...

[forest palm]

D

[boreal wagon]

i didnt know u like d's

[forest palm]

yes they're good for kicking

[tropic tusk]

this shit is too scary man

[robust nymph]

what causes 2 ships to be almost max hp and the rest dead?

[errant fog]

What's the best current team to do QE meta fight? (Dossier)

[split gazelle]

have you tried circular defense and see if that helps?

[tropic tusk]

I was going double line imma try circle

[nova burrow]

Over the time i got courious about a thing in vanguard survivability:

Is there a "rule" to "predict" when a dodge focused or a armor+health vang will perform better?

[narrow kiln]

what is support?
And also, remind me what can be said about the Jean Bart gun?

[humble iris]

Is the new event a skip

Wait am I crazy the games login page is like new ships but there's no new events??

[wind hazel]

PR8 ships

[wind oxide]

they're research ships which are available in the shipyard

[humble iris]

So no gacha banners 💔💔

[fair lance]

No, they're permanently available.

[narrow kiln]

Are you, comrade, addicted to gacha?

[humble iris]

I've been saving up waiting to use it all but urgh I guess I have to wait (btw what ship should I priorities in pr8 first)

[balmy wharf]

Should I MLB either York2 or Implac now , or wait for the next new/rerun UR event whenever that is?

[fair lance]

Musashi takes damage for the other 2 mainline ships until she reaches 40% max hp which helped keep them almost max hp.

[balmy wharf]

So is musashi ideal for W15 then? If so, Mob or boss fleet?

[fair lance]

Musashi or Raffaello for w15 mob. there can be alternatives but they are the go to

[balmy wharf]

Is there anything I should change for 15-1 and 15-2? I suppose for 15-3 and 15-4 I should move sandy to boss fleet replacing Cheshire and putting Eldridge with hedgehog in her place in my mob fleet since I hear those levels have subs.
I have nearly every UR ship, and most are fully MLBed.

[fair lance]

Do you have Aquila or Volga?

[balmy wharf]

I have Volga but not Aquila

My mob fleet survives just fine on 15-2, but my boss fleet is a 50/50 IF I also use subs on the boss fight

[fair lance]

Can you make a thread and post your dock?

[wind hazel]

change everyone on the support fleet

15-2 you want to use rudder for your mainfleet

[balmy wharf]

Change with what?

[narrow kiln]

Hmm... Is Hornet better than Yorktown?
(Both are elite (I'm currently using them temporarily to gain experience))

[sinful fern]

I cant login using yostar account with my own account saying its alr binded with another ingame account.
Anyone know how to resolve this?

[tropic tusk]

try here https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/488684387932700672

[sinful fern]

Is gem a limited resource?

[narrow kiln]

Very limited.
It is generally recommended to buy the 3rd slot and the 2nd floor of the dorm, and then the slots.

[sinful fern]

3rd slot? For what?

[balmy wharf]

Resting

In dorm

[sinful fern]

Is my account bricked if i spent it on skins?

[balmy wharf]

No, but you’ll have a worse time playing the game probably

[humble iris]

Is new Jersey and shimikaze worth investing (both are close to mlb)

[tropic tusk]

its very not limited if u swipe card

[narrow kiln]

I have a purchased ring.
not the best idea, but if you want it - that's your choice. Might be a little harder to grind later.

[sinful fern]

Swap card? Do you mean like credit card

[tropic tusk]

the all mighty holy card

[tropic tusk]

let the payment be handle by the end of the month's u

[wind hazel]

swipe card bro 💀 not swap

[tropic tusk]

right xD tpye wrong mb

[sinful fern]

What about oath rings? Should i use it

[wind hazel]

free ring? just use for handbook

[tropic tusk]

wts handbook

[wind hazel]

actually does it require oathing?

[wind oxide]

the book in hand

[tropic tusk]

holy shit theres a book in hand

[wind oxide]

Actually it's those newbie missions lol

[narrow kiln]

I don't recommend buying it, as someone with some experience in this.
You can use it either as a small buff to a character you mostly use, or for a literal wedding.

[tropic tusk]

i dont think oath is a must

[wind hazel]

ye seems like oathing is optoinal now

[tropic tusk]

unless after oath they give u 1 ring for free then yea thats fine

[sinful fern]

So buying it is bad but using it to whomever is all good right

[tropic tusk]

u can buy it but wait for x2 ring , they do it a few times per year

[sinful fern]

Nah im just asking about using it im broke asf

[tropic tusk]

u can use it on the ship u like if ur just f2p, oath gies u like wt 2% bonus stats? or stht like that

[narrow kiln]

I would say it this way... (And the free ring - you have it, and it's YOURS)
#bot-spam message

[tropic tusk]

also ring dont have expire date so u can just keep it till u really want to use

[narrow kiln]

Something like 6%, and also the ability to rename the ship.
(for example, I have Belarus!)

[tropic tusk]

so its 6 not 2 ok

[tropic tusk]

oh its 9

[split gazelle]

6 if 200> affinity

[tropic tusk]

[narrow kiln]

This is 3-6% more than a ship without oath.
As I understand correctly.

[plain saffron]

it's prob in some hard mode fleet

[quick grotto]

Ah yeah, probably.

[woven star]

3% with love 100 affinity without oath. And ring unlock affinity at 200 max so plus 3% more - total will be 6

Let me check, maybe I'm wrong

[wind hazel]

[forest palm]

1.12x with oath

[wind hazel]

yes voltic, we know that. because rhazil posted the wiki above

[forest palm]

1.06 vs 1.12

[woven star]

Ring 3% and 200 affinity +3%

[gaunt cedar]

in opsi do i accept only the missions with good stuff or do they reset with each you take so its better to accept everything until you get something good im not sure how it works

[wind hazel]

just accept everything

[woven star]

I missed that, yep

[tropic tusk]

just so u know daily mission can only hold up to 2 days of missions so if u dont do them no new will come

[woven star]

Some of them no needs ap and doing in Port for 1-3 enemies fleet. At least better pick up them and did if have no time for opsi dailies. But better pick up all

[whole crypt]

what are the highest DPS vanguards for KMS/pasta/tulip

besides the obvious Hindenburg

[wind hazel]

z52

[whole crypt]

who third

[wind hazel]

no idea honestly lol

drawing blank from pasta. roon? mainz?

[whole crypt]

I'm thinking which would be better between room aug and mainz

let me check CN...

weird I can't even find 52 on the DPS list lol

[hollow gust]

Roon ofc

Mainz is lower then Drake while Roon dps with correct guns is higher

[whole crypt]

yeh but anything higher than Roon then

[hollow gust]

Nah

[whole crypt]

so 52/hindenburg/roon?

[warped acorn]

wait roon from pr1 is very good?

[whole crypt]

how does roon compare with like f carl

[hollow gust]

I don't think Carl outdamages Drake

[whole crypt]

emd?

[hollow gust]

That are are bricks , highly doubt

I can run a quick Emden , what's her best comp

DD CL?

[whole crypt]

nevermind doesn't really matter I'm just looking to crash through 12-1 ASAP anyway

probably good DD gun + q152

also should buff Hindenburg and Z52s FP?

[hushed sorrel]

why do you change your team so many times? shouldnt it be fine to just increase the shiplevel?

12-1 shouldnt be challenging

even more for someone like you who has a lot of information about ingame stuff

just curious. feel free to ignore or answer

[wind hazel]

it's vanguard mvp rigging for Gouden Leeuw

[whole crypt]

I'm out of ships to level I'm just looking for the fastest team to rush GL

[mortal relic]

Hey guys, I got a question pls
In the build section, wich one do I need to do to get heavy cruiser ? Is it the light or the heavy one ?

[hollow gust]

Roon is the better ship anyway so just use her

[whole crypt]

Roon is being buffed by Emden in that though

[wind hazel]

heavy, but why do you want CA?

[hushed sorrel]

probably the heavy. if you are looking for a specific ship you could look its name up in the wiki

[mortal relic]

In heavy I only got... Big one in red for the backline ;-; (battle cruiser maybe idk ^^' )

[wind hazel]

i don't understand

[hushed sorrel]

the pool is very big and its recommended to just pull in event banner since you will also get the standard ships there

[mortal relic]

Because my second team ils getting deleted pretty quick I need a... Stonger ship to go in front

[viscid swift]

if you need a CA, get Portland from the guild shop

don't do pulls on hevay or special

[viscid swift]

where are in the main campaign?

[mortal relic]

9-1 actually, but it's not for my first team, it's for the second

To replace sirius

[wind hazel]

there's no guarantee what you'll get if you build in Heavy, that's -1 cube daily for something maybe Norfolk which is absolute trash

[viscid swift]

no idea why you thought Sirius would be a good tank in the first place

[wind hazel]

surely you might have better ships to raise, maybe share your vanguard screenshot

[mortal relic]

I don't have portland in my Guild shop ? ^^'

[viscid swift]

she's under rares

[mortal relic]

Nah I only places ships I get like 3 years ago and I just recently get back on the game so....

[whole crypt]

I think I'll need to cut down on the preloads for a start

[wind hazel]

use crappy ships, unarm them

[viscid swift]

yeah...
just use like Vestal, and 2 other ships without strong barrages

[wind hazel]

do the cheeky special, extinguisher and AA

[hollow gust]

More like don't use Lion, that women has a preload

[whole crypt]

more like I'll probably just put Vestal and nothing else

[viscid swift]

nah, Lion will still steal MvP semi regularly

[hollow gust]

Don't need unicorn either

[whole crypt]

it's not like those 3 will have any trouble wrecking ch12 with 0 main fleet

[viscid swift]

would not reccomend that, repair ships have a nasty habbit of occasionally getting one shot by enemy Kongos

[whole crypt]

toolkits?

[viscid swift]

still want 3 main fleet ships to spread out the damage distribution

[whole crypt]

Vestal Akashi VestalM I guess

[viscid swift]

would not reccomend that either, they can steal MvP from AA damage

[whole crypt]

what if I just don't give them anything

since Z52 is there

[viscid swift]

eh, I guess that works out

give them fire extinguishers though

[whole crypt]

Kongo is in the red BB nodes right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[whole crypt]

[tropic tusk]

op main fleet

[whole crypt]

just tried to 0 ammo red BB node, I didn't even see the Kongou

[viscid swift]

She might be 3 star only

In BB fleets

[whole crypt]

yeh red

[tropic tusk]

my mob fleet has a 50% chance to die on 2nd boss w15-3

im even running on circle formation

[viscid swift]

you might have just killed her too quickly to notice then

[whole crypt]

sure she is in 12-1? or is it for 12-4

[viscid swift]

I'm 100% sure she's in 12-1

[whole crypt]

yeh crossfleets came and screen just cleared lol

[tropic tusk]

is there anyway i can improve this team

[wind hazel]

better gear

[tropic tusk]

so this is as good as it can get

[whole crypt]

pretty much one of the top possible comps for 15

[tropic tusk]

if unzen was here would she help?

[viscid swift]

no

[tropic tusk]

gear it is

[fallen jay]

Should I use exp packs to get Unicorn to 120 or to bring up Black Rock Shooter?

[tropic tusk]

if u really have to choose then go with uni

brs is like not good at all

[ivory pawn]

Save books to bring new ships up to par to fight with.

[fallen jay]

I only have like 7 packs. Also BRS is part of the team I have because the rest don’t have max limit break

[ivory pawn]

Using them on Uni is a huge waste unless she’s underleveled, she will easily reach max level through battles.

[wind hazel]

what happened to putting zwei and brs on your mob team to gain level

[tropic tusk]

Is brs good?

[wind hazel]

yes

[fallen jay]

I have been but it’s been really slow going.

[wind hazel]

how fast do you want it to be

[tropic tusk]

I see mb then

[wind hazel]

this game is a grind fest, don't expect lv1 to lv120 in a day kind of game

[tropic tusk]

U probly need like at least 5days to reach 120

[fallen jay]

True. Just wanted to help speed up the process. It’s fun but I want to make sure what I’m doing is the most effective.

[wind hazel]

expbooks are best used on low level ships up to lv70~80+ish, they can survive at those level

using them on ships above lv100 is just plain waste

especially so on a mainfleet ship

[fallen jay]

Ah alright. And then I can put them in a fleet to help them grind up to max level for the tech points?

[undone plover]

There is a few things u can do to help outside of gear
For example use better cats
Use submarines (not sure if u are using them)
Use proper formations (circle vs double line) for example if plane is a bigger issue use circle
If vanguard dying use double line

Other things u can do is reroll the map
Go inside map and if u see a lot of BB nodes or triple triangle > go out then back again and hope for better rng
Get a few single/double triangle recon nodes and keep them for last
Make sure u heal between bosses by fighting weak mobs

[narrow kiln]

Can you explain in three words how much the Repair Ship class is a failure as healer?

[viscid swift]

I mean just look at how much they heal vs an actual healer like Unicorn

[undone plover]

They dont heal

[cobalt robin]

repair ships shit

[eager mulch]

[viscid swift]

they're not repair ships, they're AA barges

[undone plover]

They are used more as AA platforms
And they even suck at that because they have no surface dmg

[narrow kiln]

Will Jade be a better healer than Vestal?

[undone plover]

Jade is rng from what I can tell
So prob worse

[cobalt robin]

Which gear in pr8 was good again?

[viscid swift]

Mecklenburg gun

[cobalt robin]

Only that?

[viscid swift]

only that really

[cobalt robin]

😔

[narrow kiln]

Excuse me, but how often do you have problems with the survivability of the main fleet, and will 3% of Akashi max HP in 35 seconds solve it?

[viscid swift]

Akashi doesn't heal the main fleet, only vanguards

[undone plover]

Usually main fleet struggles less than vanguard
Unless your setup is wrong

[fallen jay]

What’s the spending command?

[narrow kiln]

???

[fallen jay]

For real money not just gems in game

[undone plover]

If u leak suicide boates/planes main fleet will struggle
But heal wont fix that for u
There is also BB shell rng to backline that can pretty much burn sth to death
But heal also wont help with that
U want more dmg to kill enemy faster so they cant hit u

[viscid swift]

I stand corrected then

but Unicorn heals more than that with just her preload

[undone plover]

Do /gems in #bot-spam
It is a very long command so I dont want to do it here

[fallen jay]

Thanks brb

[viscid swift]

not to mention she actually does damage to enemy ships, comapred to Akashi who can only damage planes

[undone plover]

Didn’t see this
We dont rly have a command for real money

[odd forge]

Which vanguard ships can heal?

[storm olive]

Is sandy getting MVP in w15 just AA damage inflated on endscreen

[viscid swift]

yes

[zinc prairie]

Who (DR) in Pr8 should be prio'd?

[fallen jay]

Oh…that’s a shame. Cause I wanted to know what packs are worth purchasing as a side thing. Nothing major as I don’t want to be a whale. Dolphin is a maybe.

[undone plover]

It differs from person to person
If u care about collection then
Buy gems for dockspace
If u like oath for meta/waifu reasons buy gems > oath rings
If u like skins buy gems > skins

Double gem pack is highest value thing u can buy
Cruise pass also good value if u like the skin

[viscid swift]

Mecklenburg I guess

[fallen jay]

Double gem, pack?

[zinc prairie]

is the other DR meh? or good?

[undone plover]

Basically the gem packs all have 2x bonus for first time buy

[viscid swift]

redundant

[undone plover]

Mini guam most likely
She is a bit gimmicky I think so still waiting on proper evaluations
Sushiperson video soon

she should be “good” at the very least unless she is bugged or sth

[zinc prairie]

so we wait?

[narrow kiln]

Well, purely technically.
Somehow Oleg can do it.
I saw that the Charles Ausburn retrofit can do the same, but only for Thatcher, Aulick, Foote, Spence, or a DD with the Beaver Squad Tag equipped.

But I will add - Oleg's heal is perhaps even less reliable than Vestal's heal.

[odd forge]

Thank you!!!

[undone plover]

Well from a theoretical assessment she is like ~115% of portland tankiness iirc
Her AA is very good
And her dps is decent
She doesnt rly give any dps buffs to team
So likely she will be another late campaign boat

[viscid swift]

The problem with Gouden is there's already an abundance of tanky AA ships

[limber dagger]

Seems like a combo of guam and brest

[narrow kiln]

So, wait, maybe someone knows of one that actually works...
Well, usually vanguard is survivability and damage. And oleg is a lottery on what "invention" you will get.

Which item has the highest HP stat?

[fallen jay]

Ok so for ops I it doesn’t matter what my other two fleets are? Now that I have 4 unlocked? Or do I spend timing making a third fleet in there? Not spending a lot of actusl material but positioning.

[viscid swift]

well you will probably need the other 2 fleets to tackle some of the harder bosses but I doubt you have the ability to make another 2 coherent fleets

[undone plover]

It matters when u are in mid game
Once u have 1-2 OP fleets u can 1 fleet 99% of opsi
And 2 fleet the hard arbiter

[cobalt robin]

How does champy gun compare to meck gun

[undone plover]

It is like 10-15% worse at same enhance I believe

[fallen jay]

So just throw any ships I have into the two extra fleets for the objective?

[viscid swift]

well among others there's Brest, Gouden, De Zeven, Haruka

[sweet delta]

How does Flanders gun compare to meck gun

[viscid swift]

Mecklenburg is even faster than the Flandre gun so

Mecklenburg is still an upgrade

[cobalt robin]

Hm cause I'm kinda conflicted to just go back to pr7 and get la9

[honest sequoia]

so is meck gun considered best AP gun rn?

[undone plover]

U want 2 La9 and 2 meck gun eventually
U can get them in either order to be fair
If your CV are stronger and u have fritz + nakhimov get La9
If your BB are stronger probably get meck gun first

[viscid swift]

pretty much

[undone plover]

Georgia gun is still king in campaign

[cobalt robin]

I have better bbs than cvs but my planes are definitely better than my BB guns beside lion gun

[stark quiver]

Idt new players invest a lot into cvs

Or have Soyuz and fritz

[undone plover]

That is why I said if

[cobalt robin]

Which one is that?

[fallen jay]

Room might not be super far off. I managed to get to 50% in cdc from 36% yesterday

[cobalt robin]

Ur twin 457?

[undone plover]

Twin457
The pr2 gun
U want 1 copy from protoshop eventually

[cobalt robin]

I was thinking of crafting it from gear lab

[stark quiver]

Do u have 2nd tenrai not including shop

[tropic tusk]

Whts bb node looks like

[cobalt robin]

Im close to getting my first

[stark quiver]

Using protocore?

[cobalt robin]

Yes

[stark quiver]

I don’t think you should craft 457 in lab

[honest sequoia]

[odd forge]

Bless thank you!!

We should get way more vanguard healers

[viscid swift]

meh, really not necessary with the likes of Unicorn, Zuiho, Aquila around

[cobalt robin]

What should I craft then? I already crafted a wyvern, 2 ryuuseis, 1 ju87, 1 flapjack

[stark quiver]

A second tenrai

[cobalt robin]

😔

me want cool guns tho 😔

[undone plover]

They look like battleships
Big and bulky

[odd forge]

It's so that I can farm PR exp without having to give up a slot

If I bring Uni that's 1 less for the Iron Blood backline grind

[viscid swift]

you don't need healers period to farm in W12

[undone plover]

@tropic tusk

[viscid swift]

Like this is my current farming fleet for Mecklenburg

[onyx chasm]

I've got a question, does the exp each ship gains from a battle decrease the more ships there are in the fleet? And if so do I wanna remove a few ships for the sake of exp (for agir vanguard fleet exp missions) or just go full overkill and put my strongest main fleet ships completely disregarding any chance of the vanguard ships getting mvp or exp above 1k

[undone plover]

Get the map to safe
Run your desired fleet
Put good AA on them
Dont use non MLB ships
Use ships around level 90-100
Gove them good gear and stagger the backline
Should be easy with these tips

[viscid swift]

no

[narrow kiln]

I have a newbie friend who hasn't figured out yet that the concept of a healer in this game is a bit different from others.
Is it possible to make a playable vanguard out of this, and if so, what ships would it be?

[undone plover]

In general ppl dont do mvp control
It is too much headache and not that worth

[viscid swift]

also, for the love of Belfast please stop using maxed ships

[stark quiver]

I mvp control affinity farm

[undone plover]

Not ideal
I advise your friend uses a proper fleet to push to chapter 12
Then they can start waifu/ironblood gaming

[onyx chasm]

Bro unicorn still gains exp for some reason

[viscid swift]

tell him that not using Unicorn is actively griefing yourself in this game

[viscid swift]

you can still bank 3 million XP on a ship

what I mean by maxed is they're maxed level

[onyx chasm]

I mean the only worthwhile vanguard ships are the ones you see there and carl is the only one of them capable of getting mvp aside uni so yh

[viscid swift]

all the XP you're banking on her is useless until they increase the level cap which I wouldn't hold my breath on being anytime soon

[undone plover]

What I mean is your fleet is fine to farm with
U can even ditch unicorn and musashi and still farm if u have a proper setup

[soft raft]

It'll happen for W16, trust

[onyx chasm]

I mean musashi gains 0 exp regardless

[viscid swift]

so don't freaking use her

[undone plover]

Which is why u should replace her

[viscid swift]

I literally use this to farm W12, 3 main fleet ships with actual gear should have no issues

[stark quiver]

hmm

[onyx chasm]

Thing is carl and heinrich are tanks and z23 is the only proper dps i see and seeing how carl only gets mvp a couple times I'm thinking of either removing fdg and just keeping unicorn or just going full overkill with zwei and lion in backline to just speedrun 3/3

[soft raft]

Ok which one is the least cringe

[onyx chasm]

just go purple basic no?

[stark quiver]

2h collection

[viscid swift]

my dude, if you really want to MvP control, there are ways to properly do it

[stark quiver]

infact, 2h collection isnt even bad

[onyx chasm]

Was that not my original question? Like I made sure to have decent gear on all of them so that clearing aint the issue, only issue is that mvp will go to perhaps uni or enterprise or someone else I put on their cuz all my back lines are pretty strong

[viscid swift]

and that's where your wrong and why we don't reccomend it

[narrow kiln]

You can use Z23 as a secondary tank ship of the vanguard?
Or is Z13 better for this in the early game?

[viscid swift]

to really properly MvP control, you have to do something like that with your main fleet's gear

as well as running cross fleets in the boss fleet to make up for the loss in damage

[stark quiver]

why do you have 4k gems and 10k oil
did you whale again

[undone plover]

the proper way to do mvp control would be to run weak ships in backline
or give them bad gear
and u should have a good x-fleet in fleet 2 to compensate or u will just fail the run
I really think u should avoid doing this but if u really really want to do it make a thread lets see if we cant cook

[onyx chasm]

I mean i'm just trying to find an efficient way of getting this stupid 2.4 mil exp grind outta the way so I thought doing that would be better

It's either that or I just run my strongest main fleet with a bunch of ironblood in vanguard

[undone plover]

it is not
because u can get 2.4 done before the 7 day timer is done anyway
u just need to grind
if mvp control was efficient and easy we would recommend it
but it is a headache to manage
just farming with 3:3 fleet is the most ideal and practical

[viscid swift]

why the fuck do you care about clearing speed

[onyx chasm]

Don't like wasting time is all

[viscid swift]

you're not saving much time if any just by making the battle end faster and you're losing a ton of fucking XP

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

so by using a maxed main fleet, you're losing more time overall because now you're being half as efficient with the XP grind overall and so it will take you double the time to do it

[onyx chasm]

I noticed that when I had 3:3 and I lost nearly half the xp i gaining from frontline compared to when i had just uni and ent

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

[onyx chasm]

I mean from mvp and stuff cuz from what I've seen as soo as I added musashi I lost nearly double the xp each frontline got (being reduced to under 1k) compared to when i just used uni and ent which resulted in them getting 1.3k+ each excluding mvp from carl

[undone plover]

i think that is probably cuz they had morale >120

[viscid swift]

yeah, not to mention harder modes give more XP even in the same map

[onyx chasm]

Ah yh their moral is at 100 rn

[undone plover]

true a 3 triangle node will give more xp

[onyx chasm]

Hm

[undone plover]

trust us bro
We have looked into this
u are really not saving much by doing mvp control
and like cheeky said u are actively hurting yourself by running maxed ships in backline

for example u are wasting 2/6 of your XP right now cuz 2 ships are already maxed
u could level 2 new ships instead of unicorn and musashi

[viscid swift]

and take this from experience as someone who has now grinded out more than 30 PR ships

and leveled more than 500 ships to level 120

[sweet delta]

Just yesterday you were at 469

[wind hazel]

rascal does not round up

[viscid swift]

I'm including all those ships that have XP banked on them to get to 120

[onyx chasm]

The ships I was gonna put were lion fdg and zwei cuz I know im wasting exp having musashi i was just testing the exp spread loss by having a 3:3 fleet

[soft raft]

XP spread loss? What

[viscid swift]

there is no such thing

[undone plover]

there is literally no spread btw
like this is verifiable
each ship gets 100% of the xp of the node

[soft raft]

the # of ships in the fleet has no effect on how much XP they gain

[viscid swift]

each ship gets the same amount of XP before morale, flagship bonus, and MvP

[onyx chasm]

Like i wanted to see if having more ships on a fleet decreased how much exp each ship gained

[soft raft]

Bro is not cooking 💀

[soft raft]

that is literally not a thing

[undone plover]

well now u know

[viscid swift]

you could have just asked?

[undone plover]

it is fine to test stuff on your own

[stark quiver]

its fine to test new things

[onyx chasm]

is it so bad to just experiment like damn bro

[sweet delta]

trust no one

[undone plover]

it is also fine to ask questions
lets all relax pls

[ionic kraken]

do we know if there is a new event coming soon?

[viscid swift]

no but you could have saved a lot of time, oil, and confusion

[stark quiver]

no

[undone plover]

no it is fine
but I recommend u dont experiment with gold plates and UR bulins

[onyx chasm]

I just did 1 sortie...

[whole crypt]

they announced a skin that's an event reward so there's at least 1 mini event coming for that

[onyx chasm]

Yh hell no i haven't even used gold plates yet

[viscid swift]

and even you misinterpreted the results

[onyx chasm]

Of?

[undone plover]

cheeky let it go

[whole crypt]

as for "actual" event then... maybe wait for a stream next week for collab

[tropic tusk]

So as long as it's triangle it's a bb

[viscid swift]

you thought using less ships would result in more XP per ship when in reality it was the difference between having high morale and not high morale

[wind hazel]

if enemy die to xfleet barrage without getting hit by your fleet at all, who gets mvp?

[viscid swift]

had we not actually pointed that out well

[stark quiver]

as long as it looks like a bb, its a bb

[boreal wagon]

xfleets are credited to your flagship

[stark quiver]

all nodes have traingles

[tropic tusk]

Ok

[undone plover]

no
all those 3 icons are BBs
the triangle is just the threat/danger level
3 triangle is harder than 2 triangle
ideally u want to avoid 3 triangle BBs and 3 triangle CV nodes
CV nodes look like carriers

[whole crypt]

all node types use triangles, number and colour of triangles just denote the difficulty
type of node is based on the "ship" icon

[wind hazel]

i see. this game have flagship bias

[boreal wagon]

suchy doubted it so maybe this is missinfo

[tropic tusk]

Can't believe I still have to learn this at w15

[sweet delta]

The Duchy of Suchy doubts it

[undone plover]

i think x fleet dmg is not tallied for mvp purposes but I could also be wrong

[onyx chasm]

So would I wanna just have my fleet look like this since they are all high morale rn and can clear just fine or smth else

[wind hazel]

who gets mvp sushigumi

[tropic tusk]

Nice timing on the laser tho

[whole crypt]

I'm fairly sure I had a clear with no MVP or some weird shit cleared by a xfleet

[onyx chasm]

Ikr

[undone plover]

yes
but z23 is level 120 already
so u should replace her unless u plan* to take her to level 125

and zwei should sortie until she is 125
same for fried carl
then replace them also

[verbal plinth]

What's everyone farming 12-1 or 4

[wind hazel]

1

[undone plover]

i do 12-4 cuz I need coin

[onyx chasm]

I mean wouldn't I benefit from having her at 125 since I alr have the cap set to 125 or just replace her with smth like sandy or helena. Or I could level eugen

[undone plover]

if u already uncapped her to 125 then go for it
take her to 125

[viscid swift]

meh, I'd rather level better tech ships

[soft raft]

the main question you ask yourself when you want to uncap a ship to lvl 125 is "Would I be using her in relevant content where lvl 125 is needed?" (Aka W15)

Which would/should most likely be a "No" in Z23's case

keep in mind cog arrays are less common than cog chips so you should be more stingy with who you use those on

[onyx chasm]

Like who

[soft raft]

RLD and FP/AVI for backliners and FP for vanguards

[viscid swift]

All the ones at level 120

[whole crypt]

remind me is there any vanguard with zero default/ghost guns

[slim dome]

Wasn't really thinking and uncapped Minneapolis this morning, but probably not the worst decision I guess

[stark quiver]

i have minnea at 125,
i never use her tbh

but you can always earn the chips back

[wind hazel]

he meant eugen

[onyx chasm]

Ah

[whole crypt]

back in my day Z23 was an okay option for ASW in 14

[cobalt robin]

Would enty be relevant for endgame content (even if not I'll keep using her)

[slim dome]

ATM she's my mob main tank but I'll probably get better ships regardless

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur dock

[whole crypt]

Enterprise will be your entry level bossing carrier that you may need for META/OS so 125 can be useful

[cobalt rapids]

but she has a place when u lack better options

[slim dome]

my wife is always relevant to me

[viscid swift]

ships only give tech at 120, they don't give anything at level 125

[cobalt robin]

My cvs are kinda eh

[wind hazel]

your wife is relevant to me too

[stark quiver]

shes good for one strike arbiter if lucky E decides to proc

[viscid swift]

so your Z23 is effectively maxed already

[onyx chasm]

I mean seeing as this is all the iron blood i have who would you say I get to 120 next

[cobalt rapids]

i wouldnt stress to much over 125s since u can afford like 2-3 per month if ure lv100+ and play daily

[whole crypt]

if you don't have a better carrier Enterprise holds up fairly well to "late game bosses" for the time being

[cobalt robin]

🤝

[viscid swift]

Deutchland, Z13, Heinrich

[cobalt rapids]

i dont know any

[slim dome]

god I'm so close to having the final tier of dailies unlocked and I need it

[cobalt robin]

Not sure if these are better but my noteworthy CVS are centaur, gloM and shinano

[viscid swift]

Pretty sure all vanguards have a gun so

[stark quiver]

Are there any ships that can make opsi mob faster

[cobalt rapids]

like zero ghost guns sure but zero defaults ?

[whole crypt]

nevermind then

[undone plover]

@onyx chasm just fyi since u are interested in xp calculations
this is the base xp per node in ch12-4
this base xp is increased by 20% if your ships are >120 morale
and another 20% if you get an S rank in the battle
flagship also gets 50% more
and mvp gets 100% more
for example this is my end screen from a 2 triangle mob
so base of 845 x 1.44 (S rank + 120 morale 1.2 x 1.2) gives me
1216.8 on everyone
aquila got mvp so she gets 2 x 1216.8 = 2433
and seydlitz was flagship so she gets 1.5 x 1216.8 = 1825.2

[cobalt rapids]

z52

[whole crypt]

Shinano is noteworthy if you have her MLB
but if those are what you have then yes you're lacking in bossing CVs
that said depending on what you're doing BBs are likely much easier to get working

[stark quiver]

replaces who
and what gear

[cobalt rapids]

hinden and her typical gear

[stark quiver]

hinden

[whole crypt]

eh I'm not sure if Z52 is going to make things any faster than what that team is already doing

[onyx chasm]

Thank you very much for the info 🙏 I had noticed that mvp was getting 2x the exp as normal but i wasn't sure what flagship did and just thought it meant more dmg or smth so thanks for the clarity

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure anything is going to make that team signficantly and consistently faster for that matter

[onyx chasm]

So far i'm just clearing 12-1 since I was told to farm there for exp

[cobalt robin]

I got lion, zwei, warspite retro and fdg, yea my cvs are lacking but lucky E for the win I guess

[undone plover]

and again just to give a tldr
mvp control is definitely a nice bonus IF u can manage it
but 99% of the time it is too much headache
if I could do it I would give zenker/seydlitz mvp here
but it is just too much headache to bother with it so I just let it be

[stark quiver]

I run these gear

[whole crypt]

if anything I'd replace Harbin

[stark quiver]

dont mind harbins torps

[cobalt rapids]

just use z52 over hinden

[whole crypt]

I see a Lion that's not being used for current META and it hurts me

[cobalt rapids]

considering a ton of comps can oneshot kawam consistently idt it matters

[sweet delta]

Doing MeTa hurts me

[soft raft]

What the Yamato gun doin

[stark quiver]

i click request support
shes usually running 457 for pvp

[cobalt rapids]

making lion not slowdown

[stark quiver]

or i just dont do meta

[storm olive]

Why is Harbin your off-tank when she has 0 survivability gear

[stark quiver]

because she wont die

[undone plover]

yes that is very good
ideally your farming cycle should be
at 150 morale farm 3x sortie
should finish in 20-30 minutes and your ships will end up with ~120 morale
then u should wait ~30 minutes and do another 3x sortie when their morale is 150
this way u can always get max xp that u can get and it is not too much headache
happy farming

[slim dome]

it's been getting a bit better lately and maybe it's just my low level ships but it takes me like ten attempts per meta clear

[cobalt rapids]

theres barely any diff from sandwich and offtank in dmg distribution

[stark quiver]

im running 2 healers and battles end in sub 15s
which is piss long

[narrow kiln]

By the way...
Can Halford's plane intercept enemy planes?

[whole crypt]

all I can say is nothing will make your runs significantly faster if at all

[viscid swift]

Can't relate....

[whole crypt]

so stop trying to "improve" your OS mob fleet

[storm olive]

You are running 1 healer, preload Aquila doesn't heal

[viscid swift]

This is why I just use opsi for xp

[cobalt rapids]

ppl can do w.e they want

[sweet delta]

Improve your map time from 2 minutes down to 1 minutes and 57 seconds with this one simple trick

[undone plover]

she can only equip seaplanes which do not have intercept
it has some AA tho which i guess can do dmg but it is probably

[stark quiver]

im bored af, low morale, pvp reset is at 12

[whole crypt]

they can be delusional in trying to make a change that doesn't actually change their overall OS clear times yes

[wind hazel]

1hr cube or 5hr DR is better?

[undone plover]

depends what u want

[stark quiver]

i take 1h cube

[viscid swift]

I would take the 1H cube

[boreal wagon]

pretty sure float cat could intercept
it even has intercept rof listed on the wiki

[wind hazel]

cube it is

[undone plover]

oh wait u are right
disregard what I said then

[whole crypt]

1hr cube better refresh since what you want is meck gun not the DR prints

[stark quiver]

youre also gear focus? what number u on

[narrow kiln]

her F8F bearcat still can't intercept? For me, this is simply the main mystery, because I think sooner or later I will have it.
Or maybe not, because it's not written directly on the wiki (by the way, it's written in the tier list)

[boreal wagon]

it can intercept, but it doesnt benefit from the skill for it

[cobalt rapids]

z52 is just better than hinden thats all
better angles to pick off strays
better uptime
same shield pierce
preloaded torps
idk what ure trying to say here

[undone plover]

i was about to ask lars
thx for reading my mind

[viscid swift]

I honestly barely noticed it when I was leveling her

[runic cobalt]

I'm using Hood/Alsce/UniRetro LaffII/z52/Eldri for opsi mobbing and they're doing pretty fine in all diff zones

[stark quiver]

based hood enjoyer

[viscid swift]

Alpa is specifically looking for speed here

[undone plover]

as lars pointed out
the plane itself can intercept
but halford only has 1 "base plane" in her slot meaning 1 plane should fly
normal CV have ~3 per slot so her intercept would be worse
also the plane intercept is not as good as flapjack probably anyway

[viscid swift]

I would be very surprised if that failed

[boreal wagon]

anytime the wiki lists "intercept rof" the plane can intercept you can also tell this in game if the plane has a dropdown on FR:
https://cdn.mrlar.dev/i/v1oOWZzT4ojH6w9RnUxXf.png
(do note due to translation shenanigans it says something other than intercept rof in game some times but it means the same)

[runic cobalt]

Fleet that i'm using good tho faster wise for me

[wind hazel]

it's not faster sir

[viscid swift]

Most definitely not

[stark quiver]

alsace already slows down the run

[whole crypt]

Alsace wastes 3 seconds just by being there

[runic cobalt]

[wind oxide]

Wow

[viscid swift]

<@&460646206851252224>

[stark quiver]

Mr Breast

[wind oxide]

oh mai gawdddd

[wind hazel]

im rich now wow can buy gem packs

[cobalt robin]

Mom I'm rich

[viscid swift]

Anyway

[narrow kiln]

I understand, but it's generally more than 0 AA, and it seems (despite the fact that it's worse) to work on Japanese BBV and other jokes that use this class of aircraft
And thank you, comrades.

[slim dome]

also I thought someone said that the FS coin cost for Saint Louis would reset but it's still the same after several days

[stark quiver]

first 10 prints bought come at a discount

[whole crypt]

I'm not saying Z52 won't necessarily be better, I'm saying he's trying to make a moot change to his OS clear times
I'm also biased towards putting 52 in a boss fleet

[viscid swift]

It does, sounds like a bug if it isn't or you're being very forgetful

[stark quiver]

my boss fleet uses
KIrovM, aurora and helena

z52 has no place in bossing fleets, neither does lion for me

[slim dome]

it still says 600 for the next one and I have only one progress on FS1

[sweet delta]

What

[viscid swift]

Can you show your screen

[whole crypt]

can you screenshot the thing

[sweet delta]

Are you coining someone else too?

[undone plover]

the coin discount reset is ~3-4 hours after daily reset btw
be careful

[slim dome]

...oh, yes, roon

[whole crypt]

the free and discounted prints are shared across all PRs

[viscid swift]

That

[slim dome]

fack

[whole crypt]

and similarly for DRs when you unlock them, separate of PRs

[slim dome]

Probably not worth doing FS for her for now then right? vs getting Roon ready

[whole crypt]

honestly both are meh

[undone plover]

getting roon to d30 is better yes for tech points

[slim dome]

I'm working on FdG for the next one

[viscid swift]

None of the PR1 FSs were that good

[whole crypt]

but yes getting Roon up first for tech is probably better

FdG is DR and her discount prints are separate from PRs

[forest palm]

very few FS actually drastically improve Research Ships, hell the UEs for PR1 has done more for them than the FS they all got

[slim dome]

but before that I have a couple of days and 50k coins and like 3 mil XP to earn on Zwei and Graf Zep lol

[fallen jay]

You know once you get a good team setup Siren Ops is really fun! My team isn’t struggling to deal with a single enemy encounter anymore!

[whole crypt]

part of the issue with PR1 FS is they're all really old

[forest palm]

I think Izumo is the only one that benefited the most from getting FS

[viscid swift]

Yep

[slim dome]

I could get her but I have no good Sakura mains to earn the experience on lol

[whole crypt]

her barrage improved but was still meh before aug

[slim dome]

I guess Zui and Shoka but they're so low level rn

[forest palm]

that's more of an age problem

[fallen jay]

Also I’ve been doing Helena Meta as well as Kawakaze meta. Is there a better way to get her faster? Like if I get help from friends when I launch the attack? Or is it hard limited to so much every day?

[viscid swift]

The implication that you need good ships to farm XP

[forest palm]

it is silly

[slim dome]

They're not high enough level to do anything with an oil cap tho

[viscid swift]

You can only earn a fixed amount of points each day

[cobalt rapids]

the only currency that scales on ur dmg is the one u get on support fights thats all

[fallen jay]

Alright good. I was hoping that was the case and not that I was just being dumb dumb and wasting points

[slim dome]

I put Zwei and Zep in my mob fleet to earn XP for FDG, probably all I can really do right?

[fallen jay]

Should I spend gold to make Saratogas unique augment? Since I don’t have the retrofits to finish her yet?

[viscid swift]

Preferably get another IB ship in there but yeah

[undone plover]

filter for KMS in your dock
u might have more
show us if not sure

[undone plover]

what is your team rn?
how many augment cores u have?
do u have san diego?
do u have hood?

[cobalt rapids]

https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/augment-modules

[fallen jay]

Unicorn Hood Saratoga Black Rock Shooter Helena Z23 Portland Zwei and Juneau.

I don’t have San Diego

[undone plover]

do u have hood augment?

[fallen jay]

Yes I have Hoods augment.

[fallen jay]

I have 350 augment modules purple.

[viscid swift]

sure craft Saratoga's then if you have the spare coins

[viscid swift]

use Jade as the 3rd ship

[cobalt rapids]

do u have BRS augment leveled?

[slim dome]

I figured I would need unicorn for survivability

[undone plover]

if your fleet is good and the map is safe u dont need to

[fallen jay]

I do not. She has an officer sword blue

[cobalt rapids]

u got her augment right ?

[viscid swift]

I reiterate, W12 is not that difficult

[fallen jay]

Should I use some of gold from mail storage? Or save it there for other stuff?

[viscid swift]

I would not pull coins from storage for this no

[cobalt rapids]

just wait for when u actually use sara

[stark quiver]

does flag gain more affinity

[whole crypt]

no

[stark quiver]

so only mvp

[cobalt rapids]

@fallen jay also u didnt miss BRS augment ? u should level it to +10 first
altho 300 or w.e u said purple stones should be neough for both but coins on brs aug first

[undone plover]

~~hopefully he didnt forget it ~~

[viscid swift]

I hope he didn't

[fallen jay]

I’m missing 800 coins and it’ll be fully leveled

Commissions should help finish it

[robust nymph]

3 sorties of 12-4 with this (and only 1 IB for boss fleet) gives me 3% progress on Agir combat data (2.4mil). does it sound normal or am i messing up something? very slow progress

[onyx chasm]

Whats the priority for gem usage? Cuz they're lowkey just collecting dust

[cobalt rapids]

do /gems in #bot-spam

[viscid swift]

that sounds perfectly normal

I reiterate though don't use maxed ships especially when you're using Unicorn

[robust nymph]

well my gear is bad so im actually happy with 3 low level ships so far, if i greed and get rid of zenker idk risky..

[viscid swift]

I meant Eugen

[storm olive]

Your zenker isn't maxed anyway keep her there

[robust nymph]

can probably swap out with portland level100 actually

[viscid swift]

well no beause you're grinding IB vanguard XP

[cobalt robin]

You need ib vanguard exp tho..

[robust nymph]

ah true lmao, welp

[viscid swift]

get something like Deustchland or Graf Spee from the guild shop to level 90 and use them

Z23 main tanks

[slim dome]

11-1 is my furthest clear lol

also why "especially unicorn"?

[viscid swift]

I would highly reccomend you stop farming combat data collections then and push to W11 first

[viscid swift]

Unicorn can carry just about any mob fleet in W12 on safe

so there really is no need to use both Unicorn and other maxed ship to carry a mob fleet in W12

[robust nymph]

does she need specific gear to not die at that level?

[viscid swift]

usual gear, and just clear fast enough so she doesn't need to tank that much

[robust nymph]

aight, also is "graf spee" from elite guild shop?

[viscid swift]

yes

[robust nymph]

o i have her actually, question is, is it worth to spend 4 purple bulins to level this ship? she doesnt seem very good

[stark quiver]

good tech

[viscid swift]

she isn't but she gives good tech at level 120

[narrow kiln]

Solo-retrofit-Laffey? (sorry to bother you)
(fleet made from Unicorn and Laufey, on advice, when I was farming the event)

[robust nymph]

good point, ty

[viscid swift]

and Purple Bullins aren;t that rare

[viscid swift]

I mean yeah but why would you use a non full fleet when oil caps exist

[robust nymph]

if i cancel a commission does it come back or do i lose it?

[viscid swift]

it doesn't go away

[narrow kiln]

Overall, it's only for cases where it's not pointless.
I usually use a better fleet.

[viscid swift]

just the timer resets

[robust nymph]

ok hopefully this is enough, i gave vanguards repair kits

wild that it took me less time to get unicorn to 125 than to get her abilities to 10

[slim dome]

Should I slot jade in as flag since she has a skill for it? Or leave Zwei there

[cobalt robin]

Uni likes hogging exp and mvps

[cobalt robin]

Keep zwei

[soft raft]

the buff she gets for being flag arent good enough to justfy putting her in the flag spot

esp when the flag spot is the most critical one cuz if the flag dies, the entire fleet goes down with her

[narrow kiln]

What does the Flagship slot give (besides the requirement to not die) to those who don't have a skill like Jade?

[cobalt robin]

Some bbs want flag cause their aim is poopoo

[viscid swift]

bonus XP for being in the flagship position

[cobalt rapids]

what aim
some barrages are just position dependant so their best coverage are when they are being shot from the flag
the center slot also gives the bbs the best place to shoot at the botes that reach the backline

[narrow kiln]

By the way, I have a small question.
In an ideal world without skills and with all stats equal, BBVs have more damage sacrificing secondary (defensive) weapons?

[cobalt robin]

yk what I meant

[fallen jay]

I still get exp in siren ops from its campaign right? Cause a lot of the, keep saying 0 exp.

[viscid swift]

uh no

[fallen jay]

But then some of them do at random give exp

[cobalt robin]

You don't get exp for story and blue ships in siren

[narrow kiln]

In general, we need to look at the full efficiency of the ship in any case.
Well, we are not in an ideal world

[viscid swift]

the thing is the shitty BBVs like Yamashiro, Fuso, Ise, Hyuuga

there's skills are fairly negligable anyway

[stark quiver]

i mean if you put a plane on lion instead of a secondary without any shitty drawbacks she'd do more damage
in bossing

[cobalt robin]

Any good cvs here?

Prolly not 😔

[narrow kiln]

Shinano...
But not MLB...
Hmm..

[viscid swift]

Ark Royal, Saratoga, Shoukaku

[cobalt robin]

I have another shinano collecting dust

[forest palm]

what did Shokek's UE do for her?

[stark quiver]

bugged ue

[forest palm]

[viscid swift]

no longer needs Zuikaku for +30% AVI, +20% Accuracy, and 1% bonus efficiency on her DB and TB slots

[cobalt robin]

Would they be useful in w14?

[stark quiver]

most if not all give great tech

[viscid swift]

Saratoga might

[cobalt robin]

😔

[forest palm]

Sara would be the only one worth dragging into 14

[stark quiver]

shinano is a good boat

[cobalt robin]

Hm well I still need 3 more lvls for 90

[forest palm]

most of all those ships you posted are tech fodder, Shinano aside

[cobalt robin]

But not MLB 😔

[left cedar]

so Kaga still have hope to be lil more usefull than she is rn ...

w8 for her giant fox with deck for planes

[cobalt robin]

Sadge

Also have illustrious who's not in the ss but it's not 2019 anymore

[forest palm]

she's only really used for World 15 support fleet if you lack options

[cobalt robin]

My current cvs are uni, enty, centaur, gloM and graf

If I do get shinano mlb one day, would getting haku be worth it?

[wind hazel]

you should get her regardless, you have noone

a UR CV is still a UR CV