gameplay-help

[little tree]

This will clear 13h no issues right?

[clear harbor]

This is true, but having to invest two currencies into gacha pulls is new to me and adds complications.

[sweet delta]

13h is easier than 15

[viscid swift]

maybe not with no issues but

[atomic abyss]

not with no issues

[pale mason]

yup gotta stock up on gold to pull 😢

[viscid swift]

it'll probably clear

[atomic abyss]

13-4H will be quite rough with that boss fleet

[quick grotto]

Bro I have way more pulls in cubes than I do gold.

[atomic abyss]

why is all your AA piled into mob?

[viscid swift]

that is the new player experience pretty much

[stark quiver]

do you have zuihou

[little tree]

She is level 121

[pale mason]

yup thats usually how it goes, you farm event stages while pulling gradually over time on the event banner

[atomic abyss]

boss needs more AA than mob, not sure why mob has significantly more AA

[little tree]

Uhhh this is what I used for w15

[atomic abyss]

yes, but 15-4 is different

because of the 3 bosses

[little tree]

I used mon boss mob

[stark quiver]

just swap sandy and chesh

[little tree]

Sounds good

[stark quiver]

15-4 2nd boss is easy and its only 1 fight

[atomic abyss]

yes, so in that case, your mob fleet needs more AA

[viscid swift]

taiho is a tougher boss than any of the W15 bosses

[atomic abyss]

i believe taihou actually has more planes lol

[little tree]

Ohhh

[atomic abyss]

i would swap sandy and eld into boss

[little tree]

Hmmm my shinamotto is only 110 atm I can wait till farm her

[stark quiver]

can confirm, i get consistent A rank

[viscid swift]

skill issue

[stark quiver]

consistency is key 🔥

[atomic abyss]

why do you think i recommend 5 carrier for 13-4H

[viscid swift]

like Alpha, I use Alsace with PvP gear and still get consistent S rank

[stark quiver]

do your cvs have planes

[viscid swift]

of course....

[stark quiver]

oh

[little tree]

Is triple ijn decent then if so many planes ?

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

have fun clearing the pre boss mobs, repair ship, and command ships

[atomic abyss]

no because they have very few fighters

[stark quiver]

should i craft a few more flaps for my hard mode fleet

[atomic abyss]

shocking that UR vomitting cant solve all problems, i know

[stark quiver]

nvm ima js do it

[atomic abyss]

triple CV is for mob anyways

[little tree]

[atomic abyss]

13-1 thru 13-3 shd have no issue

the main headache is 13-4H

[stark quiver]

what cvs

[atomic abyss]

i think it's very hard to hit air superiority with just 4 CVs in 13-4H

[quick grotto]

Speaking of UR, which should I go for when the time comes?

Of the free selector, that is.

[atomic abyss]

shinano

[quick grotto]

Not New Jersey?

[atomic abyss]

absolutely not

[viscid swift]

Amagi plus either Nahkimov or Shinano

[atomic abyss]

as of now, prio is shinano or vanguard

it'll change once musashi is added to the perma spark

[quick grotto]

Is there a particular reason not New Jersey?

[atomic abyss]

quite powercrept for a UR

shinano is still used in the top comps

NJ isnt

[quick grotto]

What about Vanguard?

[stark quiver]

not as used as nano

other UR bbs exist, shinano is a core ship

[atomic abyss]

she's a BB team support
weaker in damage, but reliant on other better UR BBs to shine

[quick grotto]

I see. When is Musashi getting added to the spark?

[pale mason]

after playing for a while and unlocking research, you'll be prioritizing fdg (unless research priority changed?) and she'll be better

[atomic abyss]

we dont know

[little tree]

Year (s)

[atomic abyss]

hence why i would recommed checking back when you actually have hit 400 spark

[stark quiver]

idt fdg is better, but she sure is cheaper

[atomic abyss]

fdg isnt better than NJ for bossing, at least
but their performance is very similar

and fdg is outright better at mobbing

[quick grotto]

Right now I'm working on developing Hood and Javelin.

Since they're who I have.

[sweet delta]

This is my 13-4h boss fleet

[pale mason]

oh yeah the issue for fdg is getting enough iron blood tech.. thats a whole nother can of worms

[stark quiver]

look at this box farmer 😭

[pale mason]

i wouldn't bother even considering UR gacha ships since they're pretty useless without max limit breaking anyways

and you probably won't be MLB'ing any URs anytime soon

[quick grotto]

I have a cute little Royal fleet right now, which I think will eventually be my boss fleet.

And then another fleet which is kind of a hot mess.

[pale mason]

what story stage are you even on right now? you probably dont need 2 fleets at all yet, better to just vertically invest levels into one and steamroll with it

[quick grotto]

I randomly got Voroshilov in one pull and she heads that fleet. xD

I'm at like 6-2 right now but I'm trying to be able to do hard mode event stages comfortably.

So I can hopefully farm a little more efficiently.

[little tree]

I can copy most of it minus aqulia Shima and soyuz

[sweet delta]

Uhh... That's not meant to be copied

Clearing mode is boss only

I use Musashi Aquila for taihou and the other fleet is just stat padding

And shiranui is for boxes

[stark quiver]

how much are u at

[little tree]

Noted

You werent kiding At 5 carriees i still don't have air supremacy

[cobalt rapids]

add some cats

[stark quiver]

inb4 full bb cats

[worthy pike]

should i do repeat sortie to gain exp more efficiently? or is it a waste of oil

[cobalt rapids]

event if u still need event stuff otherwise w12+

[worthy pike]

they did tell me the difference between clearing mode and repeat sortie but i still dont see the use
it just uses fuck ton of oil just for it to do the same thing clearing mode does

[stark quiver]

u need to turn on clearing mode to do repeat sortie

by doing that you get oil cap
so for example your 1600 oil fleet for 3x run takes 800 oil now bc of oil cap

[cobalt rapids]

uhhhh
repeat sortie just does exactly what it says repeats the sortie so u dont have to click continue
clearing mode is just clearing mode and does stuff u can read about by pressing the ? near it and oil cap is /oilcap

[worthy pike]

this game has so much shit it just doesn't explain
or when it does it's just complicated

[stark quiver]

which brought the existence of this channel

[eternal basalt]

It's... not that complicated (now GEAR that's needlessly complex)

[cobalt rapids]

yea its not

[little tree]

its CV cats

smh alpha

[cobalt rapids]

if u repeat sortie u can even see the predicted oil cost so its rly easy to tell if ure grinding in oil cap or not
among other UI indicators

[worthy pike]

i didn't even know what an oil cap was until now

[cobalt rapids]

fair enough

[worthy pike]

oh so I've just noticed each unit uses X amount of oil
lets say this if the oil cap thing didn't exist and i chose to start a stage that costs 10 oil to do and my total team oil cost is 60 it means i use 70 oil on that stage am i correct

[cobalt rapids]

u use 10 oil to enter the stage then u use 60 oil for each battle u do in that stage

[worthy pike]

oh for EACH battle i didn't notice that at all

oh now it makes sense that's why doing sorties had me using that much exp i understand now

good to know

[cobalt rapids]

its why rushing oilcap is most optimal

[little tree]

~~ my mob fleet does at 13 4 H anyways lmao~~

[eternal basalt]

Using that much oil, exp never gets used up

[worthy pike]

is eversten a good unit

also what do you guys fo exactly to level up a new unit asap
do you guys put it in your main team and just repeat the stage or do you guys just grind anything that gives exp like commissions/dorm

[eternal basalt]

If your high level enough you just give her xp-books till high enough to be in fleet, otherwise yeah, dorm her, comms till high enough to use her

Using low level to farm, ESPECIALLY vanguard is not good, a dead ship gets no xp. Main can make it, depending on map.

[worthy pike]

I'm new so i lack exp books

[clever leaf]

Which UR should I exchange for first if I don't have one

[ivory pawn]

Shinano or Vanguard. Shinano's probably the better choice in a vacuum, but depending on your other not perma URs maybe Vanguard can be better.

[little tree]

Nano

[clever leaf]

I have a maxed enterprise and Anchorage and portland

[little tree]

Nano still

Shinano

[clever leaf]

Ight

[forest palm]

[zenith heron]

its probably like

BB Focused: Vanguard
CV Focused: Shinano
Unsure what to choose: Shinano

[viscid swift]

nah

it's more like Vanguard unless you have Amagi CV until Musashi shows up

[ivory pawn]

With how long it takes to get MLB UR solely from pity, starting on Shinano now is good so you will definitely have her MLB when Amagi CV comes back.

But Vanguard's also great ofc, so you can't really screw up going for her instead.

[viscid swift]

yeah I think the difference is I'm not quite set on the mindset of you must only LB perma URs with dupes

[late flame]

i am also biased towards cvs besides haku + nano + kazagumo still works

[ivory pawn]

Fair. Which UR you MLB always depends on what your options are. Maybe MLBing a perma is a better idea over the next limited. Always context dependent.

[viscid swift]

yeah

and as much as a like Shinano, she is very much a long term investment

in the shorter term she doesn't really do that much

[ivory pawn]

Convenient then that if you do MLB her through pity, it takes a long time.

[late flame]

bb generally is easier to build / lower cost and we got shitloads of decent ones

[ivory pawn]

But hey, maybe MLBing Vanguard with bulins is actually the smart choice. Would be easier to say with certainty if we didn't have a new UR coming very soon.

Plus BisZwei right after that. Maybe Vanguard really is the better choice atm.

[late flame]

i guess it comes down to what ships they have already built, ur bulins available etc.
need context as always

[pseudo hearth]

Is Kazan a good healer? Do we know?

[viscid swift]

well what is your definition of a good healer

[pseudo hearth]

Where does she rank among the other healers?

Obviously she’s not beating Unicorn

[viscid swift]

well she's a support healer

her actual heal isn't that bad truth be told but it's tied to an SR BB which automatically limits her usefulness

[pseudo hearth]

I’m guessing she wants a very fast firing Gun for her tanking skill? Or is it not worth it?

[viscid swift]

nah, 457 as per usual

[pseudo hearth]

I guess one question would be, would you consider her better than someone like Ryuuhou?

[viscid swift]

in what context?

[pseudo hearth]

Well, I guess if you’re asking me that question, I may as well ask, what situation would one be better than the other?

[viscid swift]

it would pretty much boil down to can you afford to take the hit in ACV/Recon from running another BB/CV or if Kazan is your only BB in the mob fleet

[pseudo hearth]

That’s understandable. I just kind of wanted to get a better idea how important one would consider being a CV is to a healer right now.

[viscid swift]

it's a bit complicated

because you have Raffello released recently who is also a support healer

in short, being a CV isn't a mandatory requirement for a support healer but if it's gonna be a CV it's gonna have to pull more weight in effect

[hardy creek]

Which ships are classified as cruiser? Are CA and CL under the category?

[viscid swift]

yes

CAs are heavy cruisers and CLs are Light Cruisers

[sweet delta]

CB large cruisers are usually cruisers too

[sterile grove]

What's the optimal path to craft Wyvern? I have some Fulmars but considering buying a Blackburn Firebrand from core shop to save on electrical components as I might not have enough of those.

[stark quiver]

If you have spare core and nothing important to buy
Then you can buy a firebrand

But I’d rather save 800 core for smth useful, as opposed to saving only 20 electronics

[late flame]

i did buy a firebrand for science

[fiery swan]

I just got Nakhimov but only had 40+ prints, do I just exchange my DR7 prints or should I leave some for Napoli

[fair lance]

I'd say Nakhimov is way more worth than Napoli currently so you can just slowly work on Napoli

[fiery swan]

I don't even have Napoli built

[fair lance]

So yeah just throw all your DR7 prints into Nakhimov

[fiery swan]

I'm currently building Kearsarge, should I throw all my DR6 prints into her too

[wind hazel]

just hold onto them

[fiery swan]

Will I need them for Hindenburg or something

[wind hazel]

no but dumping it now is pointless because you won't get kearsarge to dev30

keep them and see which one is better for you in the future, dump in kear or hind

[fiery swan]

What will I even need hind for, I have yorkii and she needs kear

[wind hazel]

are you focusing pr6 research?

[fiery swan]

Currently on pr7 for finishing Nakhimov

[wind hazel]

yes exactly

by the time you're finished with nakh, PR8 gonna be here

[viscid swift]

might be here before they finish Nahki

[wind hazel]

yeah that is more likely too

[fiery swan]

I got up to dev22 with her from print dumping

[wind hazel]

and kearsarge usage is really not that many, you're not missing out much

[dreamy blade]

i used my dr6 prints on plymouth

[short matrix]

are the Russian VIT-2 and SU-2 any good?

[stark quiver]

vit2 isnt bad as a parallel torp bomber
su2 is meh, delldiver in almost every aspect

[short matrix]

alrighty. Using Chkalov and for secondary use only carriers (Only using her to grind the new SOV CV research ship) try to give them their nations equipment if they have gold level and it isn't crap

[zenith peak]

Is Helena kai still worth keeping around in your boss fleet on W13+ or are there better ships ?

[viscid swift]

for campaign you drop her entirely after W13

you're not looking at something like a META showdown or even an arbiter for later campaign bosses

[magic locust]

is hwah jah retrofit worth it?

[stark quiver]

well its collection %, and one of the best w15 support ships

[twilit crow]

Cn ani is right around the corner should I start saving coins now (cutting down on grant donation research, retrofitting, etc) (currently at 362 cubes 70k coins) for raffaello event I had enough cubes but ran out of coins 17 pulls before pity

[viscid swift]

well it's still 3 or so weeks off and will last another 3 weeks most likely

plus it doesn't take that long to grind up 300k coins in W12

[whole crypt]

you only need about a week to coin grind unless you're not in ch12+, in which case you definitely should spend your coins to help progression anyway

[viscid swift]

and if you aren't farming W12 then you should change that before the Anni

[magic locust]

that is fine by me aslong shes usuable in endgame i wouldnt mind leveling her up

[viscid swift]

she's usable only in one specific case but she does give CV reload tech

[twilit crow]

Okay thanks

[viscid swift]

so you'd want to level her eventually anyway

[twilit crow]

I'm at w11 commander lvl 82 could I get to w12 in time

[viscid swift]

it shouldn't take you a week even

[grizzled stream]

commander lvl is really only for unlocking stuff (also if you buy oil)

[twilit crow]

okay thank you ! Also before w12 what is the best map to grind apparently it's 9-1 even though w10 and w11 could give a higher coin to oil ratio

[rapid grail]

11-1 for xp, highest stage u can do for coin

[viscid swift]

it's 11-1 not 9-1

[grizzled stream]

there's a chart floating somewhere

[twilit crow]

Ah oh thanks, so w10 is not worth repeating for lvling lower ships or whatever reason

[viscid swift]

no, there are some exlcusive ship frops but that's about it

[grizzled stream]

if you can clear w11 with those lvling ships, no real reason other than maybe the gear that drops

12-1 isn't that big of a jump from w11 as well where you can start to farm cog chips

[twilit crow]

jinstuu kai worth using for trp hard mode requirement?

bc the only ship in my fleet with remotely any trp stat is a ddg 😭

[grizzled stream]

what happened to your starter dd 😮

[honest sequoia]

Retired for medals

[grizzled stream]

f

[wind hazel]

look into IJN DD, they often have high trp stats

[grizzled stream]

i assume you will be using both fleets to clear the hard mode? @twilit crow

[twilit crow]

sry js a sec

okay so i cannot reach the 1200 trp stat for 9-4 hard by like 200 trp

[wind hazel]

open ijn tech box, try and get oxytorp for more stats padding

[twilit crow]

yes but i only use gunboats, sandy kai, san francisco, portland, helena, even laffey and fu shun none of them have exceptionally high trp stat

[twilit crow]

ok, i already have 1 gold oxytorp on fu shun

[grizzled stream]

do you have any backline with torp

[stark quiver]

its a waste on fushun

[wind hazel]

just get someone like naganami from guild shop, or kagerou if you found her from the wilderness, or shiranui

[twilit crow]

i know but the missile dmg depends on trp stat and no one else needs it

[craggy dragon]

Following the tier list, is it really worth it to use 4>5>6 gear?

[wind hazel]

what 456

[craggy dragon]

4 star > 5 star > 6 star

[wind hazel]

where are you intending to use musashi at

[twilit crow]

i have ayanami (?)

[viscid swift]

it situationally dependent but in most scenarios yes

[wind hazel]

yes she's great

[viscid swift]

because higher rarity doesn't mean better in AL

[craggy dragon]

Erm I’m trying to clear hard mode 13

[viscid swift]

it just means more expensive to upgrade

[grizzled stream]

i know it's not ideal but ships like scharnhorst have torp stat

[grizzled stream]

but def put in ayanami

[twilit crow]

feels so nice to retrofit purple ships after sandy

[marsh sparrow]

is that mobbin build for musashi

[wind hazel]

can mob can boss

can use daisen gun for 13-4 against taihou if boss

but this works as well

[craggy dragon]

Ah so even something like this the rare is better than the ultra in most cases? Depending on situation I guess?

[viscid swift]

well all practical sitations yeah

Z52 just has a really cracked barrage

[grizzled stream]

depends on ships skill/barrage, thus making rare (fast gun) better than slower but higher rarity

[craggy dragon]

Oh I see okay thanks guys

[uncut ocean]

is there an updated general gear list

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[uncut ocean]

thank you

[plush dust]

Question. Is it intended that Eagle Union BB's can't equip cruiser guns?

[stark quiver]

historically they had like 5 inch guns or smth

[viscid swift]

Yes historically USN BBs used the dual purpose 5/38 as their secondaries and heavy AA

[whole crypt]

which turned out to be the right doctrine because WW2 didn't have chicken-controlled bomb boats

[viscid swift]

And as Bismarck showed split AA and secondaries is hilariously inefficient

[stark quiver]

manjuu controls bomb bote

[plush dust]

"Never equip DD guns on a BB"

Eagle Union BB's: Yeah, about that...

[jaunty vault]

yeah they get a DD gun that DDs cannot equip

[humble solar]

Which among these guns are the best?

[grizzled stream]

uhh prob middle ones in the 2nd row

[uncut sigil]

is there any way to get a missile w/o core data i fuked up

[viscid swift]

no

[jaunty vault]

this one for ships that want a faster gun

[uncut sigil]

guh…

[jaunty vault]

although, z52 wants an even faster gun

the blue single 76mm for example

[jaunty vault]

the twin100 gold ver is a slight downgrade of this twin114

[plucky ice]

So is the flapjack the best option for all cvs

[grand solar]

I kept that on Ayanami for years as it was th3 fastest gun she could ever get.

[stark quiver]

for what content?

[grizzled stream]

it is one of the better ones for w15 support fleet, but it really depends on what you're using it for

[grand solar]

It is easier overall to make than either the Bearcat or Tigercat.

[plucky ice]

Canmpaign

[whole crypt]

bearcat is rubbish anyway

Tigercat is good for recovering plates from hellcats, you can otherwise use it as a timing variant of flapjack

it's also good enough for ch15 unless you're really just trying to max your AA that hard

[grand solar]

I am surprised they haven't introduced the P-38 Lightning yet.

Or USS Montana as a PR ship yet.

[humble solar]

Imagine if they introduce paper ships

[humble solar]

I'm surprised blue stuff still has uses

[rapid grail]

PR system, some Iron Blood & minor faction paper botes already exist

[humble solar]

I want USS Tillman

[whole crypt]

#al-general is that way

[rapid grail]

yeah I'd rather dream on, honestly

[viscid swift]

PRs tend to be reserved for more paper ships than them

[humble solar]

Is Kearsage considered a BB or a CV when it comes to handling enemies?

[viscid swift]

And WG's own interpretations of real modifications

[viscid swift]

She's a BBV

[rustic adder]

she doesnt fill hardmode reqs right?

[humble solar]

Is she like as good as CVs on air dominance, or as good as BBs in boss?

[hollow gust]

BBs good in boss

[viscid swift]

She's a BB that trades auxe guns for some fighters is the easiest way of thinking about its

Grey just shut up about that

[twilit crow]

could i use lvl 85 ships in 9-1 on safe

[hollow gust]

The only real use for kearsarge is single target bossing with Yorktown , you won't see her much in campaign , especially if you have UR BBs

[humble solar]

UR BBs I have are Musashi, Vanguard, and NJ

[twilit crow]

is an only lv 85+ fleet okay? or should i include one or 2 lvl 100, 110+ ship

[grizzled stream]

does it include healers

[hollow gust]

Generally yes , however that can be dependent on gear , how good a ship actually is etc

The best way to know is to run the fleets first

[twilit crow]

i could throw unicorn into the mix but then i would be running a 3 cv fleet

[twilit crow]

sara kai and independence kai

[hollow gust]

.

[twilit crow]

gotchu

[humble solar]

125 is max level yeah?

[grizzled stream]

i'm gonna guess each fleet will prob do 3-4 fights

[hollow gust]

Run your full fleets and you should be fine

[warped acorn]

what if voro replace laffey

[stark quiver]

wat

uhh in what

[hollow gust]

Voroshilov is better then normal Laffey , but that's like 0 context

[grizzled stream]

no harm in trying stuff

[warped acorn]

welp... why did i even used skill books on her..

[hollow gust]

??????

[warped acorn]

rip should've keep those def books instead

[stark quiver]

laffey isnt bad

[warped acorn]

i mean voro

[stark quiver]

voro isnt bad

[hollow gust]

?

[humble solar]

Do you have image of the blue 76

[stark quiver]

/wiki single 76

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Single_76mm_AA_(Mk_22_Mount)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Single_76mm_(3"/50_caliber_gun)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Single_76mm_AA_(Mk_26_Mount)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Single_76mm_AA_(3rd_Year_Type)

May 3, 2025, 5:27 AM

[stark quiver]

2nd link, type 3

[grizzled stream]

looks like this but blue background

[hollow gust]

Pick one of three

[humble solar]

How do I get this single 113

[stark quiver]

gear lab british

[hollow gust]

If you don't have it just run a blue

Blues are better half the time anyway

[stark quiver]

takes electronics tho, may be low prio

[twilit crow]

is gold seafang better than f4u, for poverty

[stark quiver]

yes

[hollow gust]

More like no prio

[twilit crow]

timing is not an issue js need 2x 500lb bombs- ok

[humble solar]

Reeeee

[humble solar]

I'll take the single 120 then

[hollow gust]

Why would you waste electronics on essentially no upgrade

[zenith heron]

probably Ships that have decent fp but less than 2 MGM, that does Barrages as well like Scylla or Z52

[hollow gust]

Its z52

The gold gun only beats blue in extremly niche situations , sometimes it even a downgrade

[humble solar]

Is Z52 mob or boss ship? What about Anchorage?

[zenith heron]

the only reason of the downgrade is the slighlty higher cooldown...

never used the 113 to the likes of Shima/Kazagumo/Kawakaze unless you wanna minmax fp

[humble solar]

These two are likely my best tanks so far

[stark quiver]

both can be in either situations

[hollow gust]

What are you talking about

[stark quiver]

i use whatever i want because i win either way gold happens to look shinier than blue

[viscid swift]

what is this smooth braining I'm witnessing

[warped acorn]

how do i even get more eva for ht2

[hollow gust]

Run more dds

[twilit crow]

washing machine

oh that also works

[viscid swift]

you use ships with higher eva stat, use equips that give eva, etc

[grizzled stream]

more DDs

[tame orchid]

Whats the best way to farm electronics, C1?

[warped acorn]

ah sounds like ht2 is dd focused

[viscid swift]

like

[stark quiver]

its really not

[hollow gust]

Eh it's just your ships are weaker

[grizzled stream]

prob swapping out a cruiser for a dd might hit the req

[warped acorn]

so it counts 2 fleet 🤔

[stark quiver]

use one fleet for stat padding

[viscid swift]

just grind Opsi naturally

[grizzled stream]

i thought some said c5, but i've nothing to back up the claim

[tame orchid]

Grinding as in just do the entire month normally? Buying out all the shops and shit

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

clear everything on the map
buy what you need from shop
dump excess AP at end of month on c5
not much more to say

[grizzled stream]

you can really spam c1 but that's very sweaty behavior

[twilit crow]

if i dont have enough core data for sub gear (snorkel and hull) and i also dont have the subs for a faction sub fleet does throwing together a random sub fleet actually impact my gameplay experience w13 and under

[viscid swift]

No

[grizzled stream]

no

[stark quiver]

i mean itll help a tad bit, but probably not enough to waste recources on some assy fleet

wait until you have a proper comp to invest

[twilit crow]

i do have archerfish and enough merit for albacore

[honest stirrup]

It's a good start, variants of the fishpacks without Flasher exists since Flasher still hasn't done any rerun afaik

[twilit crow]

Maggiore Baracca worth using standalone ? (not as in by herself just without any buffs to a faction sub fleet)

[grizzled stream]

if you don't have any other sub, i'd put her in just to lvl her

if oil isn't an issue, always better to lvl more ships

[twilit crow]

oil might be an issue

[steep sleet]

When is next summer event?

[grizzled stream]

the eternal struggle

[twilit crow]

this resource management sim pmo

[warped acorn]

do i only upgrade equipment to lv 11

[vale spindle]

+10 unless you know what you are doing

[twilit crow]

not even a gacha game bc youre never supposed to pull lmao

[warped acorn]

alr

[grizzled stream]

if short on purple plates, i'd just +6 purple gears and +10 gold gears except for like bb main guns

[warped acorn]

maybe steam catapult 🤔

[viscid swift]

probably the 22nd, there will be a live stream on the 16th

[steep sleet]

This month?

[viscid swift]

yes

[fickle hollow]

What is better on Amagi vs Med armor?
La-09(+10)+ 2x Trp bombers
or
BF-109G+ Skyraider(+13)+ Trp bomber

[humble solar]

Saratoga vs Enterprise vs Independence?

[viscid swift]

first one

[twilit crow]

sara mob enty and independence boss

huh, for campaign up to 13 ?

[hollow gust]

you dont want full CV fleet bosses, since chapter 12 and 13 Bosses have decent aa

[zenith heron]

then what is the single 113 focused for other than just higher dmg output and slightly higher cooldown then the 76mm? just for z52?

just curious, because I guess its a waste to buy them then

[twilit crow]

1 bb 2 cv? like sara on mob and then 2 cv on boss

[humble solar]

Rate this setup

[stark quiver]

0️⃣

[humble solar]

For 12 & 13

[stark quiver]

uhh clearing or farming

[humble solar]

Clearing

[stark quiver]

like 3/10

[humble solar]

Sure 2 of them are under levelled

But I think they have enough AA

[stark quiver]

underleveled ships, 2bb for no reason, frontline is fine i guess, disregrading underleveled 52
nj is 2 lb 🚮

[fair lance]

nj is 77 too

[stark quiver]

tldr nj is pretty useless, use another cv
if its mob, where is unicorn

[fair lance]

move musashi to flag

[stark quiver]

1 cv in both chapters is pretty sketch

[humble solar]

I thought CVs are bad for boss fights

[zenith heron]

that is quite an absurd take

[stark quiver]

cvs are better than some shitty nj

[hollow gust]

CV are the best comps in every single single target bossing gleet

[humble solar]

I'm just following Goose

[stark quiver]

[humble solar]

Is NJ really that bad?

[stark quiver]

your nj is bad

[fair lance]

not mlb anything is bad for clearing

[slow fox]

-# Alphamisinformation!?

[humble solar]

MLB?

[stark quiver]

max limit break

[humble solar]

Oh

[stark quiver]

shes missing a whole main gun mount at where she is right now
shes also lvl 70, which is way underleveled for w12/13
and you also already have musashi

[humble solar]

I'll replace her with Independence then

[normal cedar]

Sandy aside, what's a good easy to find anti air vanguard ship?
by easy to find I mean research or merit/guild shop or farmable, or maybe great AA retrofit

[cobalt rapids]

Chesh
D7p is “easy” aswell

[sweet delta]

Shimanto

[woven star]

Cheshire

[cobalt rapids]

Thing is sandy will be more than u need till w15

[woven star]

D7p depends on luck pull. 80 pulls and 0 copy. If about "easy" to get

[normal cedar]

Yea, I don't have sandy though, hasn't been CL in medal shop since 4-5 months
What about Seattle? I don't have enough points for Cheshire now

[cobalt rapids]

Not rly

But like i said aa carries mostly come into play in w15

[normal cedar]

I see, thanks

[woven star]

Try Scylla if have her until get better

[dreamy blade]

juneau retrofit is the poverty aa carry for w12/13 but isnt useful for w15

[normal cedar]

will juneau be better than cleveland though? both have anti-air mode skill, I'm using cleveland + scylla now

[atomic abyss]

Significantly better

[dreamy blade]

yes

[atomic abyss]

Way higher AA stat and AA efficiency

Also good for budget pvp comps

[dreamy blade]

juneau is a top AA ship she just has nothing else going for her and is quite squishy

[normal cedar]

hmm I see, I'll try to obtain her then, thanks

[cobalt rapids]

If ure rushing w13 but otherwise shes not rly a ship u bring to w15
but w13 is quite old so u can bruteforce it if ure not hurrying
Ig she can serve u in pvp if nothing else

[normal cedar]

No, I'm not planning to do W13 anytime soon, I just need to get to 12-4 from 12-1

But yeah, will be useful for pvp a bit

[hollow gust]

Janeau isn't a top aa , she has just enough be able to "carry" w12

[whole crypt]

she has enough for 13 too

[cobalt rapids]

I mean in this day and age 0 carry are enough for 13

Just 1-2 gacha UR and u cruise

[dreamy blade]

she has better aa than 95% of vanguard ships according to mebot chart

[whole crypt]

that doesn't say much

[dreamy blade]

the only ships above her are either UR, chesh/shimanto, or d7p and isuzu

[whole crypt]

that's what you get for being an Atlanta class retrofit

[cobalt rapids]

But the difference is large to the next one relev above

[whole crypt]

yep

being at the 96th percentile doesn't mean much when the top 4% are miles ahead of you

[dreamy blade]

it does if none of those 4% ships are available to you

[tame orchid]

Is D7P worth investing into

[cobalt rapids]

Good ship for w15 and thats about it

[tame orchid]

Im at 12 rn too lazy to push further

[cobalt rapids]

Then bench her till u need her

[tame orchid]

Aight

[whole crypt]

if you don't have the 4% above you then it matters more that you're not trying to brute force ch15 or 13 hard

[slow fox]

I think it's more meaningul to ignore the cardinal listing at all, when there is a more objective scale next to it.

"Juneau is top 25 AA" possesses less nuance than "Juneau has 50% the AA of San Diego"

[sweet delta]

What percentage of San Diego fleet does San Diego solo have?

[dreamy blade]

mebot spotted

this is true but also has less nuance than "x ship has 50% the ehp of portland" since sandy AA is just so absurdly high

[slow fox]

Are you asking me to discount her " I Am No. 1!" skill?

[dreamy blade]

also is the juneau on the chart with her retrofit?

[slow fox]

Yes

[dreamy blade]

not labeled like the other retrofits literally unusable

[sweet delta]

I'm asking you to count Sandy's contribution to a hypothetical fleet

[slow fox]

This would be true if every other ship didn't also have a %SanDiegoAA rating

[slow fox]

On a timeaverage, it's an 80% AABoost for other ships in the fleet.

[woven star]

yeah, invest resources for side grade aa which at same side grade pvp. if have Scylla just put two more best what you have vanguards and have fun

[simple dove]

would going to a siren-uenrfun whatever the hell zone be punching above my weight

if im already struggling with corrosion six places

[tame jungle]

a what

[simple dove]

this like red swirly place

[tame jungle]

oh a stronghold

shouldn't be all too difficult except for like tuning concerns, if you're struggling C6 and not at max tuning there's no downside to just waiting until later in the month

[simple dove]

i can complete it but god is a slow process

[tame jungle]

racking up some extra tuning (up to 188/188/144 i think for strongholds) will make it significantly easier

[woven star]

isn't they only 3 per week? so better at least one better closed to the end of this week

[tame jungle]

you are wrong

they don't close down so you can do them all at the end

[dreamy blade]

3 is just the map display limit but they never expire as long as you do them before monthly reset

[fair lance]

2 at monthly reset 1 every weekly reset iirc

[woven star]

hm, ok then

[paper walrus]

are meta ship skills supposed to be that difficult to level up or am i doing something wrong

[simple dove]

ldplayer keeps crashing so grah

its making my process so much harder

[dreamy blade]

it's going to be slow unless you are actively using them in your opsi fleet

[late flame]

and tbh meta ships are more collection / tech only rather than seeing actual use

[honest sequoia]

jintsuu meta

[dreamy blade]

pvp isnt real

[honest sequoia]

[late flame]

you'd only really need her if you aiming for aotn the first time lol

[paper walrus]

yep

[woven star]

You can check what for they get exp for skill by choosing skills

Or using skill meta books

[tame orchid]

Which is the best META?

[crimson glacier]

idk if there even is any

[zenith heron]

they probably have different uses so its gonna vary

[atomic abyss]

There isn't really a singular best

[tame orchid]

Im doing helena META rn

[atomic abyss]

Frankly

[crimson glacier]

was kirov the best for like qe meta

[atomic abyss]

By the time you even max out a singular meta ship, you'd likely have better options

[atomic abyss]

Wichita
Then Helena and Kirov

[tame orchid]

Ah

[honest sequoia]

isnt kirov meta used in some niche bossing

[crimson glacier]

i thought kirov was just better than helena but i forgot about wichita

[atomic abyss]

Realistically, none of the metas are

Save jintsuu meta

Who is very strong for Rodney meta

She is also very strong in pvp

Wichita meta is one of the best vanguard DPSes in the game - pretty sure she's almost hinden level
But she's also one of the frailest ships in the game

We're talking like, maybe bottom 5
I think bottom 2 actually if you don't account for bulins

None of the backline metas are particularly relevant as they can't stand up to URs

They are mostly good though, yes

Nagato meta is one of the best SR BBs

[tame orchid]

Damn

Thanks for the info

[atomic abyss]

The issue for the backliners are that they are SRs in a UR backline metagame

If you like them, sure use them ofc
The gold ones aren't inherently bad ships, they're mostly good
Purple ones are mostly shit, outside maybe their 120 tech

[simple dove]

so what happens once i manage to cram an mlb onto yorktown ii

[gaunt cedar]

is oleg good and is there any point collecting event points instead of using them sooner to buy and lvl kazan and looting shop when most i can clear is 1-3

[simple dove]

also why is it that when i put laffey ii in things, eveyrone else is dying except for her

[woven star]

@gaunt cedarkazan from shop can be too expensive for you if you at chap. 3 now. better spend points on another more important stuff from shop. same for oleg and she even worse than kazan

[gaunt cedar]

ok

[late flame]

read her blue skill 'Fiercer when cornered'

[simple dove]

oh wth

[paper walrus]

thats an insane skill what

[simple dove]

oh and by this i meant where could i put them, mob or boss

[woven star]

how many event point do you have now?
I think something like that will be order for shop items:
Cognitive Array > Special Strengthening Unit S7 = 1 copy Kazan > Oil > Coins > other items

[honest sequoia]

Only buy Kazan if u can’t get her on the last day of the event

[woven star]

good point, but I'm not sure if he get HT3 until end

and maybe I misread but "i can clear is 1-3" mean chapter 1-3 or chapters from 1 to 3?

[gaunt cedar]

i have 9000 and i was aiming to get at least 10k for oleg

1-3 as in first chapter 3 stage

[woven star]

ah usually said w3-1 it's mean chapter 3 and 1 map

get at least 13k point then. its mean 5k for cogs array and in the last day opportunity to get 1 copy of Kaza

[gaunt cedar]

got it

[quick mason]

Is shinano good for mob or boss

[woven star]

ah, read this to be clear https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/shop_priority#major_event

[gaunt cedar]

thanks

[warped acorn]

whats a bp exchange in research

[undone plover]

She is good in both
She is a good anti-heavy boss ship and excells with amagi/hakuryuu

I would use her in boss since there are better mobber CVs

[undone plover]

When a ship is dev30
Excess blueprints can be converted to protocore
However depending on the ship it might be better to save enough for fate simulation first before u start analyzing the excess

Also there are selector (universal) series blueprints
That can be converted to specific ship BPs
Idk if that is what u meant

[warped acorn]

oh

[warped acorn]

well i mean abt this

[whole crypt]

when you have the print selectors you can exchange on this menu

[undone plover]

Yeah that is my second point
When u get them u can use them here
But I wouldnt use them for saint louis
She is coinable
U can buy her “BP” every day with gold

[undone plover]

Also u should change your research focus to pr5

[quick mason]

Okay

[dreamy blade]

should i be prioritizing nahkimov research or gear research for la9s

i need like 300 nahk prints for d30 and im at 23/50 la9 prints (i have 0)

[hollow gust]

Just pick good researches , if you aren't cubing , grants and face prints are good for both

1hr Riggings to reset is always good

[dreamy blade]

i mean im asking for the cases i have to choose between them

[late flame]

its better to get plane since other cvs can use it

[storm heron]

nakh could be more worth if you're lacking cv

but you're gonna get nakh anyway by your third plane at the latest if you gear focus

[undone plover]

at this rate u have 2 months left
imo prio nakhimov faces and Q research if no nakhi faces
hopefully u finish both of them before pr8 releases

[normal cedar]

is pr 8 announced in the cn stream as well or later

[undone plover]

I think it is not announced in streams usually
we get the previews through social media posts

[whole crypt]

at most they'll have a sneak preview that it's coming

[normal cedar]

ah ok, thanks

[whole crypt]

actual announcment is usually later

[dreamy blade]

i have all the 'high prio' gear lab stuff except for the twin 100 kai and the UR AA gun, which is more important?

[atomic abyss]

Depends on the content you aim to do
If you intend to challenge w15 anytime soon, AA

If you don't intend to use DDs much, same recommendation

Personally I recommend 100 Kai for most players since most players won't be running into w15

[dreamy blade]

if i made the 100 kai my options to use it would be z52, sandy, fu shun retro

[undone plover]

u can also save selectors and let rng designs collect by themselves then use em when u have enough

[atomic abyss]

Z52 doesn't use 100 kai

Sandy doesn't prefer it

DDGs would love it tho yes

[dreamy blade]

i use the blue 76 on z52 and the gold twin 128 on sandy/fushun currently

[atomic abyss]

No change for z52, unless you got the single 113

Fu Shun takes prio for 100 kai

[dreamy blade]

hm might end up doing this yeah, i have 11 selectors atm and 4 each of the AA/main gun ur prints

[dreamy blade]

how much of an improvement is that? was considering crafting it

[atomic abyss]

Considering her gun damage is actually not insignificant

I would recommend it if you can afford it

It's not a small upgrade like it is for shima

[normal cedar]

are you supposed to do strongholds when they appear or can you wait till the end of month to speedrun them? cuz you dont need a logger for them to appear afaik

[dreamy blade]

you can wait, recommended to wait until your adapts are high enough

[normal cedar]

ok, thanks!

[undone plover]

strongholds dont need loggers
they show 2 at start of month + 1 every monday after that
only 3 can be visible on the map but they enter an invisible queue if u have 3 on the map already so dw u can do them all last day/week of the month

[normal cedar]

ahh I see, got it

[barren token]

Are there any guides for Dossier Analysis? Specifically Gneisenau META to get her ready for the Bismarck2 rerun

[dreamy blade]

uhh what does gnei meta have to do with bis2 rerun

[barren token]

+20% EXP banner also including UvH, Bismarck1, U556, & Zuikaku

[dreamy blade]

dont think that makes raising her any more worth, she doesnt even have good 120 tech

[undone plover]

this is the only comprehensive meta dossier "guide" that I know of
courtesy of pilica
his document isnt for copy pasting example fleets or best possible fleet with the "highest winrate"
it basically explains the fight and tells u how to approach it and gives some example fleets
it is also a bit wordy so be warned
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uz0UvQHsVUrlNz08Pc1IN04oABfMeiXTngfM8XJzRXo/edit?tab=t.0

[normal cedar]

Ive been stuck on this puzzle for 15 mins now
how long does it take to get the AI help? this puzzle is too hard, it keeps teleporting me to random places everytime I move

[crimson glacier]

its not actually random

and i think its like 50 movements or something when it lets you skip

[normal cedar]

ok, thanks

[honest sequoia]

Just mess with TB guidance enough and it will auto it

[quick grotto]

Question, if I use enhanced gear in the gear lab, do I get the new gear at the enhanced level or no?

[undone plover]

no but u get a 100% refund on plates and I think 25% on the gold

[quick grotto]

Ah okay, neat. Thank you.

[tame jungle]

what armor is event SP boss

[wind hazel]

heavy like my mom

[tame jungle]

beautiful like your mom

[zenith heron]

so we doin the mom

[gaunt cedar]

is oleg better than london for 2nd fleet

[quick grotto]

For a mob fleet, should I aim for more CA or CL? I know you typically prioritize CV/CVL over BB in the backline.

[forest palm]

for what content?

[quick grotto]

Just in general, I suppose. Though I suppose with that question it depends on what exactly I'm doing.

[forest palm]

exactly, there's no general after world 12/Ops.

[quick grotto]

I suppose then a better question might be what ships are good to have on hand/look for when it comes to making a mob fleet.

[wind hazel]

depends on what you have

[forest palm]

your questions are heavily context driven

[wind hazel]

neither 😭

[sterile jolt]

London maybe better with retro imo

[forest palm]

she is

though at that point just retro Shrop

[quick grotto]

Right now I'm trying to do the hard mode quests in the event and my mob fleet is eating shit, so I'm trying to think of how I can patch it up. Right now I'm running Long Island, Saratoga, Erebus, Indy, Yoroshilov, and Suzuyu.

It's more the Frontline that just dies.

Well, not Yoro. The other two.

[wind hazel]

you're using at least 4 really mediocre or downright bad ships, that tend to happen

[quick grotto]

I have better ships I think, just not built yet.

[wind hazel]

open a thread, let's fix your fleet. post your entire dock, separate main fleet and vanguard

[quick grotto]

Andrew Fleet

[woven star]

I think London little better too.

[late flame]

both are kinda crap though lol

[woven star]

You can slowly research Plym, Cheshire, Drake with London. Idk what Vanguard res exp can get from Oleg

[gaunt cedar]

i dont have anything better now so i'll just go with london until i can change her thanks

im just doing event so not using 2nd fleet anyway rn

[late flame]

@austere patio
give this a read
https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbietips/dayonetips/guildshop

[austere patio]

K ty ^^

[quick grotto]

I remember on that guide I read, "Do Not Farm 3-4" after I farmed it like five times.

[gaunt cedar]

5 times isnt that much its fine

[hardy creek]

Bro how'd you get akagi after 5 times I did the stage like over 40 times cause I want her and I can't even get her sister 😭

[normal cedar]

do you ever run out of ap boxes in opsi? ive been doing opsi all day using boxes and I swear I have more boxes now compared to when I started
I could just farm opsi 24x7 at this rate

[late flame]

point being its not worth the while because both akagi and kaga have been powercrept
so even if you wanna get them for collection / waifu purpose, you can wait till you can 1:1 the stage without using too much oil

[quick grotto]

I got her after one, I tried four times for Kaga. xD

[late flame]

its also rng

/droprate

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[late flame]

i've gone thru the stage myself for fun and got nothing out of 20 tries

[silk helm]

hey

[paper walrus]

What is the recommended point to stop grinding the event? 55k?

[late flame]

yeah 55k is good

[warped acorn]

got both in less than 20 times

[quick mason]

Guy's for poverty what main gun does Saint Louis use?

[ebon topaz]

How do i tell if its eagle union ships

[quick grotto]

I think they start with USS?

[late flame]

you can also sort by faction

[quick mason]

Just a poverty main gun

[paper walrus]

I dont know how many runs i needed to get kaga but it took me another ~800 to get akagi. Im really unlucky and thats not normal but you need to know that it can happen. No point in grinding for her unless you really want her

[quick mason]

Im trying to help my friend and he equiped the (prototype 203mm main type 3) gun that you could buy in core data shop

[whole crypt]

if you need poverty HE CA IJN twin gun exists

[late flame]

this?

[forest palm]

I don't know about wasting cores for the No. 3

[quick mason]

It's my friend

[quick grotto]

On average, how reliable is the tier list for finding guns?

[quick mason]

I see

[whole crypt]

that's the lab upgrade but it'll work

[quick mason]

Wait saint Louis can use the No.3?

[whole crypt]

not very because it's very generic and most of the time you want something specific

[quick grotto]

Mm, I see.

[whole crypt]

Saint Louis just wants a HE gun

[quick mason]

I see HE gun

[atomic abyss]

The no.3 is a HE gun yes
She can use it

[quick mason]

Alright I'll decide for him I'll see his depot if he have some any HE more than No.3

I guess I'll make him use 2 toolbox

[wind hazel]

not 2 toolbox

[quick mason]

Bruh

[wind hazel]

camo/steering+toolkit

[quick mason]

Wait I think he have the yellow auxiliary

[forest palm]

one of these two, the top prefer, the AA gun is filler btw

[split gazelle]

from what I've seen the purple poverty guns in the tierlist are fairly accurate to what people suggest here. as for golds, only use those you can get from boxes (don't waste resources on crafting gear lab or shop items yet). but I'm still a beginner as well so take it with a grain of salt so to say.

[wind hazel]

kinda expensive lol

[atomic abyss]

It's better to read an actually equipment guide

[quick mason]

I don't think he have those AA and torpedos

[forest palm]

those are unimportant, just focus on the main gun, and aux

[quick mason]

Yeah I guess I'll have to decide for him base on the equipment guide

[wind hazel]

"im kinda poor"

[split gazelle]

looks like my builds

[quick mason]

She's broke when it comes to AA

[wind hazel]

just any gold if have gold, or it doesn't matter which purple

[late flame]

AA wont be an issue until w12 anyway

[quick mason]

Luckily he have quadruple 40mm and 113mm AA purple

[honest sequoia]

thats exactly why my anchorage is using

[quick mason]

Should be good for him for poverty options

[split gazelle]

poverty gang

[quick mason]

Literally my roon too but her own main gun and 113 AA purple

[honest sequoia]

no premium washing machine here

[quick mason]

Yellow steering and toolkit

[honest sequoia]

gold washing machine is for the weak

[quick mason]

Bruh?

It's the only one gold steering I have

[knotty ore]

Hello, can I get help for Taurus’s extreme challenge??

[honest sequoia]

yes good
gold rudder + toolkit is the way to go

or if u have beaver tag then replace the toolkit

[quick mason]

thx to the guide

[wind hazel]

https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/may/

[quick mason]

What is gold rudder?

[whole crypt]

gold rudder = washing machine

[honest sequoia]

basically gold washing machine

[quick mason]

Bruh

[whole crypt]

improved hydraulic rudder, people just call it washing machine because it's funny

[honest sequoia]

or if u wanna be special like me
use gold rudder and povertyt rudder tgt

[quick mason]

Nahh I prefer being me and follow the guide

Damn he even called me master

[whole crypt]

rudder+toolkit is fine

[quick mason]

The one he send

The one I made him use:

[atomic abyss]

That is a notable improvement

[knotty ore]

Any of these is good for auto?

[whole crypt]

better but could be better still

[tame jungle]

give her another toolkit

[atomic abyss]

Well the oxy torp is still bruh

[knotty ore]

Also some ships from there I don’t have— sadly 😦 so maybe can I ask for replacements?

[eternal moth]

They all are

[quick mason]

It's poverty guys

[abstract wraith]

Hey i am new to the game how can i progress fast?

[whole crypt]

poverty or not DD standard is 2 toolkits

[quick mason]

Alright

[whole crypt]

AA gun is kind of ehhh

[eternal moth]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips Read this

[knotty ore]

Like— I don’t have either of these green haired main girls, or the eyepatch one

[abstract wraith]

Thanks

[knotty ore]

And for example, my Sirius, Scylla and Plymouth are not yet leveled or built. I don’t have Eldridge’s retro, and neither the amount of rainbow gear

[eternal moth]

DId you just start?

[quick mason]

The one he send:

[knotty ore]

No, I didn’t, I took a long break but I didn’t “just start”

[quick mason]

The one who teach him:

[knotty ore]

I’ve got 80% collection HAHAHA

[quick mason]

The one I made him use:

[ember ember]

Running low on fuel what’s the best thing I should do..?

[eternal moth]

That main gun is awful 99% of the time.

[viscid swift]

both builds are equally bad, sigh

[quick mason]

So The poverty triple should he use?

[novel solstice]

If you are high enough level, do OpSi. It does not use fuel, and at this point in the month you should have enough AP to spend a lot of time there.

[eternal moth]

Triple 410 or some version of IJN twin 410

[quick mason]

Dawg bro I only know the champy and poverty gun

[ember ember]

I’m only level 40 😓..

[quick mason]

What should he use his in his poverty arc

[viscid swift]

this assuming it's not a medium or heavy armor boss
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_410mm_(3rd_Year_Type)

[honest sequoia]

twin 410

[eternal moth]

one of these three

[honest sequoia]

musashi would want a IJN main gun
so twin 410/ 410 kai
izumo gun
daisen gun

[quick mason]

Wait this is not the option?

[viscid swift]

no

[eternal moth]

Do you see the shot time on it?

[viscid swift]

it's too slow for most practical applications

[honest sequoia]

base stat may be high but its bad cuz too high reload

[cobalt rapids]

Its a gun u use when u know what ure doing

[quick mason]

Owh dawg I made his wifu worse

[honest sequoia]

in some niche situation the yamato gun can be good

[viscid swift]

not a daisen gun believer smh

[quick mason]

So twin 410 is really the option

[honest sequoia]

ay man no offense
if youre not sure about smth
dont give advice on that specific thing

[eternal moth]

You can probably make Yorktown 2 work instead of Fritz in the Enty/Imp/Fritz setup

[honest sequoia]

yes

a slight upgrade to that would be the twin 410 kai version
which is the best HE gun for her

[quick mason]

I really thought this is the option better than poverty and champy gun because the dmg is high and he have the yellow aux dawg I regret this

[rapid grail]

[eternal moth]

A good portion of Musashi's damage comes from her barrage, which the twin 410 helps with

[honest sequoia]

only in a niche siuation yamato gun can be better if you know what youre doing

[sweet delta]

OK dawg

[quick mason]

Gotta tell him tomorrow I was told by the pros to use the twin 410

[honest sequoia]

musashi wants an IJN main gun because it enhances her barrage

[quick mason]

I don't really know about musashi barrage I guess I should ask him to send me the SS of her talents but I know what I'm doing

[honest sequoia]

its in her skill description

[viscid swift]

or just look at the wiki

[cobalt rapids]

Ss of her talents doesnt tell u much about her barrage

[quick mason]

-10,000 aura bro even called me master

[eternal moth]

/wiki musashi

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Musashi
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Musashi/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Musashi/Gallery

May 3, 2025, 3:33 PM

[honest sequoia]

i may be a warspite enjoyer but i dont encourage ppl retrofit/building her

[cobalt rapids]

/larsdb musashi

[wind hazel]

Beep boop: https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/ships/id/217

[plain saffron]

good bot

[quick mason]

Also let me show this shinano of hers vs What Imade her use

[atomic abyss]

If you took the time to type that extremely cumbersome line out
You could have searched it up and loaded it faster

[rapid grail]

dogshit and slightly better loadout

[quick mason]

What she shows

[atomic abyss]

[quick mason]

What I made her use

[wind hazel]

equally terrible

[quick mason]

She have the purple steam dw

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine

also look a that for barrage numbers and such

[atomic abyss]

Blue catapult when you're using skyraider is kinda cursed
So is purple

[honest sequoia]

thats straight garbage

[cobalt rapids]

Barrage numbers are also on larsdb cheeky

[quick mason]

She doesn't have yellow steam

[honest sequoia]

aviation oil tank

[tame jungle]

not even craftable or from tech box?

[quick mason]

What should I made her use she only have purple

[eternal moth]

Then use purple

[wind hazel]

assuming campaign

[quick mason]

Yes she use it

[viscid swift]

I think both of you need to read a gear guide at this rate

[quick mason]

Double steam purple

[eternal moth]

Not sure how you have that much gold gear but don't have catas

[wind hazel]

-# why are they +13

[viscid swift]

the SS you showed literally show her using blues

[honest sequoia]

[quick mason]

Sorry I clicked the wrong one

[whole crypt]

somehow this still falls under the we've seen worse department

[quick mason]

I told him to lv 6 the steam since it's only purple

[honest sequoia]

change skyraider to helldiver

skyraider is only for light armor bossing

[eternal moth]

Is the new aux the best HP aux now?

[viscid swift]

maybe over the summer I'll actually write a how to equip gears guide or something at this rate

[whole crypt]

the flowers? no

[cobalt rapids]

Consult the gear guide in /equip

[quick mason]

Oh gotta read the armor mod of those planes

[honest sequoia]

Rarity ≠ better

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[quick mason]

Please bro do it now

[wind hazel]

summer special

[quick mason]

I literally have this in my chrome

[whole crypt]

equipment guide is out there it's just a lot of reading

[quick mason]

Can someone explain me the planes armour mod?

[honest sequoia]

this is why AL guidance needs more exposure outside of discord

[viscid swift]

it's out there but it doesn't necessarily always go into the nuance of why or how and such

[whole crypt]

the problem is discord is one of the few places where it can happen proprely

[honest sequoia]

theres so many players out there esp in META showdown are equiping gears like this

[viscid swift]

some of it may be obvious, others aren't to your average potatoe

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki damage calculation

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations

[whole crypt]

people who gear like that just don't care

[plain saffron]

at least it have gears

[quick mason]

Dawg im worst _20,000 aura

[honest sequoia]

i would rather see a mk6 than a twin 380mm

[quick mason]

I know the BB main gun mod and DD,CA,CL it's just I don't know about CVs

[cobalt rapids]

Its same thing

[honest sequoia]

CVs are medium armor

[quick mason]

What

[atomic abyss]

/armour

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/877421174114631700/1020079467672125481/Ammo_Modifiers_Chart_AL_updated_9-15-22.jpg

[quick mason]

So my enty is fucked?

[cobalt rapids]

He is asking how armor mod works for planes

[quick mason]

Mobbing btw

[ivory pawn]

She's fine, mostly. Swap fighter for something that can intercept like Hellcat or Flapjack or something.

[eternal moth]

Change the rocket fighter for something else and she's fine

Hellcat or pancake/tigercat

[quick mason]

Someone did say it's better im confused

[knotty ore]

Do you guys think this may work?

[eternal moth]

Not for mobbing it isn't

[ivory pawn]

It's good, when you're fighting medium/light armour bosses.

[quick mason]

Dawg this is straight up flex

[wind hazel]

no lol

[quick mason]

Oh it's for boss? I use her in 12-3

[wind hazel]

almost all of the gearing are wrong

[viscid swift]

sigh, as I said your average AL player has no idea what they're doing

[eternal moth]

Plymouth does nothing there

[knotty ore]

Why?

[late flame]

+12 btd isnt flex lol

[knotty ore]

It’s what I have 😦

[honest sequoia]

you dont got helldivers???

[ivory pawn]

Yeah, so don't use it on campaign, but you'll use it elsewhere.

[quick mason]

URs bro straight up flex

[knotty ore]

No

[eternal moth]

I didn't even look at the gear, and wow, that's bad.

[honest sequoia]

impossible

[ivory pawn]

Do you scrap all of your purple gear?

[wind hazel]

the ships arent mlb either

[quick mason]

Not for campaigns? Ok I have seafang though

[knotty ore]

The only two that aren’t is implacable and Plymouth

[ivory pawn]

That'll work.

[eternal moth]

Seafang is fine.

[quick mason]

Sure thx

[knotty ore]

Not necessarily but I don’t

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

read this, now

[wind hazel]

maybe open a thread and post your dock and gear, let someone help you. this one isn't gonna do much

[ivory pawn]

Then you should have some (purple) helldivers then.

[viscid swift]

well, gl with this one guys

[knotty ore]

Okay I’ll open a thread but don’t be mean lmao

Some of us touch grass so we don’t have that dedication

[honest sequoia]

im just curious how do you not have a helldiver when you progress through campaign

[quick mason]

Well I guess I gotta do better for my student called me master BAD MASTER ME

[viscid swift]

nah, I get that, I just have to go so I won't be around to help

[knotty ore]

Because I played W13 long time ago and never bothered trying for w14

[quick mason]

Where's the plane mod can someone?

[eternal moth]

It's on the bombs

[quick mason]

Ohh

[knotty ore]

do I open a thread here?

[knotty ore]

Please help me pass Taurus Extreme Challenge 🙏🏻🥹

[quick mason]

How could myself be so dumbass

[eternal moth]

Saved, thanks Cheeky

[quick mason]

Swiftsure is the best option I have for sorting in 12-3 do you think it's a good Idea? I used helena for sorting in 12-2

[whole crypt]

swiftsure is 🚮 if someone recommended it to you as an AA ship

[quick mason]

No one I use it

[whole crypt]

she's still 🚮

[quick mason]

Wait how is she that trash?

[whole crypt]

how is she not

[quick mason]

Any better CL? I can replace her?

[zenith heron]

a really high stat does not mean she good, gotta look at the skills and some additional Mounts on that one

[whole crypt]

Helena is fine

[wind hazel]

why do you need cl

[quick mason]

This is CL I only have

[wind hazel]

again why do you need cl

[whole crypt]

she's capped, that's even less reason to use her
why do you need a CL

[zenith heron]

probably pseudo anti air? world 12 does have some planes but not as much

[quick mason]

Wdym? For campaign ofc you all said swift sure is trash

[wind hazel]

so why fixate on CL

[whole crypt]

swiftsure is trash for everything

[quick mason]

See then any replacement?

[wind hazel]

why can't you use CA or DD

[whole crypt]

the point is why do you need or want a light cruiser

[quick mason]

I don't wanna use double DD or Double CA

[whole crypt]

why not there's nothing wrong with it

if you must then raise Scylla or Sandy or Aurora I guess

[tacit star]

uhh does the x2 gems reset every anniversary ?

[honest sequoia]

wouldnt aurora be niche-

[quick mason]

I know really but I wanna made sure CL is useful on my vocabulary

[whole crypt]

only on the region you play, so CN anniv won't reset your 2x on EN

[tacit star]

ik ik im not that silly nw(so uhh when en anniverary ;-;)

[whole crypt]

better than a capped CL that has no niche

[wind hazel]

raise ship based on their usefulness, not based on their hull, unless you wanna fulfil hard mode requirement

[quick mason]

Do you think San Diego would be worth building?

[whole crypt]

sandy is one of the best CLs in the game

[wind hazel]

yes but she's quite expensive

[whole crypt]

it's just costly to raise her

[quick mason]

Still it would be fine right?

[honest sequoia]

shes very good in worlds where AA is a problem like w12 13 15

[wind hazel]

if you got the gold bulin, sure

[wind hazel]

sandy+augment is enough for w12

[quick mason]

Yeah im sorting in 12-3 but it's not like im suffering

Alright san Diego would do then

I only have 4 gold bullin it's already enough for limit break

I just need 1 more for retrofit

[wind hazel]

does he know

[quick mason]

Dawg

3 bullin for retrofit

7 gold bullin in total

[wind hazel]

and retro item too

[quick mason]

Yeah the mic

[whole crypt]

just use her with aug first and take your time with retrofit

[wind hazel]

just get her aug, it's fine

[quick mason]

Tf is aug?

[wind hazel]

augment

[quick mason]

Ohhh

[honest sequoia]

[quick mason]

Any best gear than this?

Oi oi don't get mad at me

[ivory pawn]

Yes. 76mm main gun (blue), gold AA, toolbox, rudder.

[tacit star]

uhhh does some times they do sales on gems cuz i hear they do sale sometimes

[ivory pawn]

2x gems are the best option, they get reset every year. Sometimes we get a limited time pack that's better, like last year's black friday 200 gems for $1 pack.
Only common sale I can think of is sometimes they'll sell 2 oath rings for the cost of like 1.5 oath rings.

[quick mason]

Blue huh

Alright

[ivory pawn]

Or follow Mori's recommendation, that works too.

[quick mason]

I'll go with mori

[knotty ore]

Okay I made a thread!! Please help everyone 🫵🏻

[quick mason]

Any reason why not Twin 134mm?

[quick mason]

How to do this alphabets does this only works on pc?

[wind hazel]

what alphabet

[quick mason]

You know those letters and numbers

Their designs

[ivory pawn]

If you mean the font, it's from a website which is why it's different.

[quick mason]

Does it work on mobile too?

[wind hazel]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[ivory pawn]

Bit clunkier perhaps, but it does.

[quick mason]

What's the name of the font

[plain saffron]

monospace?

[quick mason]

I have no more toolkit I guess I'll use the blue steering

[normal cedar]

I didn't quite understand what this does exactly, can someone please explain? Seems like everyone uses it for all CVs..

[stark quiver]

That’s a historical note

[ivory pawn]

It's a multiplier to reload. Only good if it gives you an additional strike or otherwise makes your timing work better.

If it doesn't, you'd prefer gold steamcat as usual.

[normal cedar]

ohh I see, I thought it made parallel torps homing or something based on it's name
thanks a lot!

[plain saffron]

look at the skills instead

[ivory pawn]

More specifically, look at the part of the notes you cropped out.

[quick mason]

Is this fine?

[outer cedar]

is there any ways for me to get the eldridge retrofit item?
like ik its from the event but is there any ways i could find it?

[ivory pawn]

Wait with me for it's rerun.