gameplay-help

[timid beacon]

7. 6 mob, 1 boss

[forest palm]

feel like it should be more than 100 runs

[zenith pebble]

When you put it like that maybe the grind for pr ships isn’t so long after all

[forest palm]

probably closer to 500

[weary gust]

It's not. The exp grind is the quickest and easiest part of getting and using a PR/DR ship.

Which is why there's zero reason to rush it.

Around 100-120 sounds right imo. About ~1% per run.

[zenith pebble]

I thought it was around 2%?

Or is that for regular pr ships

[weary gust]

CDC2 req is 2x that of CDC1, and DR CDC requires 20% more.

[forest palm]

basically on average you get roughly 845 xp in 12-4 which at 6 kills gets you 5,070 per run, so that would come to about 474 this does not consider MVP

[hazy kiln]

Do I skip Portland retrofit and use BPs for Saint Louis?

[upbeat wagon]

its usually finished last for me, plus it takes some oil

[sleek spade]

is it worth it to craft Tenrai?

nice!

[weary gust]

"Easiest part" as in you still need to get the ship to d30 to use it, which takes a month minimum,.

[upbeat wagon]

right true

[weary gust]

Whereas CDC can be done in a week easy.

[sweet delta]

Portland first

[forest palm]

somewhere between 237 and 474 runs, 237 would imply perfect MVP, 474 would imply no mvp (no flag bonus was used)

you can do CDC in a day if you wanted

[undone plover]

isnt that per ship tho?
so for 3 ships it is closer to 15k
Also multiply by S rank and morale so that is another 1.44?

[forest palm]

oh right, hungry

let me run it back

anyway it's 5kx3, or 10kx3

[undone plover]

I do remember it being higher tbh
100 runs sounds too little
so not sure about my maffs either but it was just napkin maths

[forest palm]

this is my napkin math as well

the real answer is between 79 and 158 much better when you remember an importent variable

on average 6 kills is 15,210 or 30,414

[undone plover]

well only 1 ship can mvp tho
so that is kinda wrong

[forest palm]

it is

still the most is 158

[weary gust]

tldr,
"A large number of runs. There's not much point in calculating the exact number."

[forest palm]

well, yes, but also no

[zenith pebble]

There’s also different maps too for maximum efficiency

[forest palm]

there is no other map

well aside from 12-1 but the number wouldn't drastically skew

[zenith pebble]

It’ll also be a good idea for oil to exp ratio

[forest palm]

you're talking to someone that considered all of this

anyway 119 ~ 158, you can figure how much oil that amounts to if you want

[zenith pebble]

Using the double oil consumption thing should also double the chances of me getting more coins?

[sweet delta]

The chance would be 100%, assuming you actually win the battle(s)

[weary gust]

Did you consider morale?

[forest palm]

No because you can just swap ships accordingly

[zenith pebble]

Would that change oil consumption?

[forest palm]

No cause of oil cap

[zenith pebble]

Oh okie

For opsi, i can basically use any mob fleet i want so long as its good right?

[hazy kiln]

I presume it'll take awhile for 10SR prints. I'm at the point where I dont have enough TRP to even deploy on the hard modes I can do

[sweet delta]

What do you need 10 SR bps for?

[weary gust]

95% of ships in the game will clear opsi mobbing just fine if leveled and geared. Hardest mobbing bar is clearing strongholds on auto without casualties, which relatively few comps can do.

[timid beacon]

for OpSi, you technically don't even need a proper mob fleet with the heal consumables.

[hazy kiln]

Saint Louis needs 10 yellow destroyer prints

[eager mulch]

I don’t think she does

[sweet delta]

Portland takes 1 and saint takes 5

[hazy kiln]

5. 10 purple is what I was thinking. Yeah cruiser

[eager mulch]

I’m pretty sure she takes cruiser parts

[hazy kiln]

Brain not working

[sweet delta]

You finished unicorn retro?

[zenith pebble]

Do you have a comp in mind?

[weary gust]

Musashi/Unicorn/Independence/Laf2/Hindenberg/Z52 is my opsi mob fleet.

[hazy kiln]

No, need 3 yellow prints still Can only farm 5-4 hard. Can't do 6-4 or harder without high TRP stats

[timid beacon]

my OpSi 'mob fleet' is whatever ships I'm leveling at the time

[zenith pebble]

And any specific gear or just run basic opsi gear lab

[sweet delta]

Then don't pay for saint until you finish unicorn and Portland

[hazy kiln]

I'm not going to, I was just curious

[weary gust]

Normal mobbing gear. I have the gold IJN BB gun on Musashi bc idc to change it to the purple one.

[hazy kiln]

I can probably clear 6-4/7-4 Hard but I'd have to LB ships to meet the stat requirements just to deploy

[zenith pebble]

Oh okie, wyvern tenrai pancake with normal guns

Hinde fate sim 5?

[atomic abyss]

she has none

only fdg, azuma, draken and haku have fate sims amongst the DRs

[sweet delta]

LB ships is a good idea for tech points

[weary gust]

I forget which guns I have on Hindy, I think one of each UR CA gun that's best for med and for heavy.

[zenith pebble]

Oh okie

[stark quiver]

sup gph

[eager mulch]

sup alpha

[cobalt gate]

are mob bb all heavy armor?

[undone plover]

enemy BB u mean?
BB are usually heavy and BC medium

[cobalt gate]

the ones that appear in mob stages but are not actually named ships

[atomic abyss]

they are named differently
you need to check

fusou production wld be heavy
but kongou production would be med

[cobalt gate]

gotcha

[stark quiver]

how many days does it take to mlb hornet meta without support fights

[ivory pawn]

25,000/750, whatever that equals.

[cobalt gate]

btw how much damage boost if backrow ships don't get detected?

[weary gust]

CVs get damage boost, BBs don't. I think it's 20% for CVs?

[cobalt gate]

ok

[sharp comet]

@wind hazel raff is actually so good lol now i have to wait for oil to refill and then i'm gonna do the last boss to 3 star it, thank you 🐐

[desert trellis]

i wanna ask like even after ive cleared all red zones near the centre, why am still not be able to gain access to the centre?

[ivory pawn]

Do all the red !, like the one to the right.

[desert trellis]

stronghold?

[ivory pawn]

Does the big swirly circle look like a ! to you?

[weary gust]

Because you need to progress the story, like we told you an hour ago.

[desert trellis]

ye i did

i cleared ch5?

[ivory pawn]

No, you didn’t. Do the red ! that’s on the node above the swirly circle.

[desert trellis]

ight

[ivory pawn]

Then another red ! will pop up somewhere. Keep doing them until the center unlocks.

[desert trellis]

ah ic

thx lad

[zenith pebble]

Youre back

[undone plover]

it is essentially 20% aa reduction iirc
which can be less or more %dmg depending on enemy AA

[cobalt gate]

Noted

[undone plover]

actually wait it is a bit weirder than that
refer to this comment #gameplay-help message
If u want the details
TLDR detection is important if u can feasibly maintain hidden status

[balmy wharf]

Should Helena be equipped with an SG radar? And if so, what should the second piece of equipment be? EVA equipment, or repair kit?

[weary gust]

Helena uses SG or not to match timing with airstrikes/salvos. CLs generally want 1 EVA gear/1 HP gear.

If you're using SG radar use a hydraulics for the other aux typically.

[stoic forge]

Is audacxious a good ship

[weary gust]

Not bad not used for anything relevant.

[sweet delta]

One of the best gold DDs who aren't DDGs

[stoic forge]

what is ddg

[sweet delta]

The four An Shan class ships

[eternal basalt]

Retrofit

[mossy void]

What's the best team for Reown meta I forgot

[sweet delta]

DDGs and rainbow DDs are the only relevant DDs who aren't support

[sweet delta]

Soyuz nakhi fritz something something probably Napoli, Eldridge, or both for consistency

Main fleet is so overkill that vanguard choice is pretty flexible

[zenith wren]

What's a good rule of thumb for what level my fleet should be vs the enemy, speficially for leveling shipgirls. The dorm can only get you so far, and I wan't to get some shipgirls to the 90-100ish range so that I can farm 9-1 with them. But they keep getting destroyed by low level content.

[mossy void]

Is it the same for the other bb perm metas as well

[stoic forge]

i haven't touch pr ship in a while

[zenith wren]

Or better yet, whats the best way to activly level shipgirl xp?

[stoic forge]

books thing

Grind

[mossy void]

Doing the highest map you can do comfortably without ships dying

[zenith wren]

Any recommendations? I've been trying to find that out through trial and error, and its getting frustrating

[ivory pawn]

If you beat a stage about 10 times after clearing, you’ll make the enemies do drastically less damage so you can more easily bring lower level ships.

[zenith wren]

is that what the "threat level" means?

The shipgirls I want to level up are generally in the 50-70 range btw

[mossy void]

We don't know what you have. Unicorn retro if you have her would keep your ships healed

[sweet delta]

Soyuz nakh fritz is effectively the best anti medium fleet for all BC dossiers. BBs are usually heavy like Arizona

[zenith wren]

I have Unicorn at 100 for my main fleet. I could put her in a farming fleet I supose.

[ivory pawn]

Use books to get them to 70, MLB them, then they can handle 9-1 on Safe with a second fleet beating the boss. Stick Uni in the leveling fleet if you want to play it safe.

[mossy void]

Your main fleet can survive on its own right

[zenith wren]

I don't know tbh. I've really rellied on Unicorn for healing

Only one way to find out I guess

[mossy void]

Do you have Perseus?

[zenith wren]

no

[mossy void]

Aquila?

[zenith wren]

no

I have vestal, both normal and Meta

[sweet delta]

You should not be trying to farm a full fleet of level 60 ships

[zenith wren]

the problem is I'm running short on Bullins

[sweet delta]

If you have new ships to level, then mix some in with your higher level ships and do chapter 9+

[zenith wren]

Thanks. I'll try that

[zenith wren]

speaking of which, whats the best way to get yellow bullins?

[inland shoal]

Doing pvp

[ivory pawn]

PvP, weekly missions, medal shop.

[zenith wren]

thanks

[inland shoal]

Btw you don't rly have to do well in pvp, the important thing is just doing all 15 tries every day

[cobalt gate]

so i guess this is a lucky cat? but what about the stupid ironblood

this is the sad thing about cat start

so basically missing 2 talent points, not sure how worse it would make it be

[stark quiver]

I mean….. you can wait for level up and try to gamble your way out of the ib talent

[sweet delta]

You can just use every and drake then

[mossy void]

But if it started with the IB skill, it won't change out, no?

[cobalt gate]

yeah thats why its a cat missing 2 inherit points

[stark quiver]

At level 30 iirc you can choose to override it with a new talent

[sweet delta]

You recalled wrong

[cobalt gate]

you can after you have 5 skills

[stark quiver]

[stray cobalt]

If I'm building a 15-4 boss fleet with YKII and Enty, Enty should be faster right?

[sweet delta]

In that case that spends the sixth leveled talent point

[cobalt gate]

is this worth to go to 30 though

[sweet delta]

It literally won't be better than drake and every no matter what you do

[ivory pawn]

How good does a cat need to be to be better than Drake/Every?

[sweet delta]

They are somewhere between 8 and 9 good points for BB fleets

[cobalt gate]

which one is drake?

[weary gust]

The one named Drake is Drake.

[sweet delta]

Every buffs the vanguard quite well too, so even a pure 9 point BB cat may or may not be better than every

[cobalt gate]

this or the other one, i don't haev the other one

[ivory pawn]

That’s Drake.

[sweet delta]

/wiki drake

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Drake
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Drake/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Drake/Gallery

Apr 4, 2025, 6:11 PM

[stark quiver]

Drake the boat

[boreal wagon]

i dont think the wiki has the tempesta cats

[cobalt gate]

even with soulful it is that bad huh

[stark quiver]

I think it has

[sweet delta]

It's been 1.5 years and still no tempesta cat pages

[eternal basalt]

Nope

[stark quiver]

That’s weird

[cobalt gate]

kept thinking soulful would be better than pure 25 points

[sweet delta]

Even the meowfficer list table doesn't have them

[cobalt gate]

but couln'dt i use drake in command and use the agustus in staff?

[inland shoal]

Wiki are resident meow haters

[inland shoal]

Who is Agustus?

[cobalt gate]

oscar

man i just feel like i don't have good cats

[stark quiver]

Wiki really doesn’t have temp cats

[ivory pawn]

You have Drake, you have good cat.

[sweet schooner]

Should I save up for this type93 Torp?

[cobalt gate]

did you get 3 white and 3 black yet?

[atomic abyss]

it's pretty niche and hardly used, so no
save for 3 white shells, 3 black shells and independence

[sweet schooner]

Ok thx

[sharp comet]

you can technically 3 star 3 diff hard stages in a single day right? if u just fully clear each chapter once + boss and then just reset everytime

[eternal basalt]

Except green cat cv

[inland shoal]

Do you not have Every?

[cobalt gate]

i missed her

[inland shoal]

Ah yeah then use her as staff ig

[cobalt gate]

wait so no need for doing bb cats anymore? just need to do cv cats?

is there a good way to share all cats

[polar lion]

Dang u got the coveted flames + soul but stuck with IB talent. Sedge

[cobalt gate]

yep and missing 1 starting talent point

i do wonder how much difference vs a max cat if i do lvl 30 for it

[polar lion]

Quite chonky since u already lose 1 pt from base coz u start with only 3 pt instead of 4. Then u r cursed with that deadweight IB talent some moar

[cobalt gate]

welp

[polar lion]

Which could've have been 3 pts for BB rld instead

[cobalt gate]

wait we want bb reload now?

i thought fp still much better

[polar lion]

Chief > rld > FP for me

[cobalt gate]

i thought chief fp rld

[polar lion]

Rld moar precious coz we only got 17 from tech

[boreal wagon]

18

[cobalt gate]

but isn't the gain way too small to matter?

[boreal wagon]

as far as i know (and i dont pay attention to cats much) fp is generally better

[polar lion]

UR BB fp is already 400+ so it scales worse than rld which we still dun have as much compared

[jaunty vault]

just have two different cats focusing different stats

[timid beacon]

for RLD just use Howe to buff

[eternal basalt]

Extra damage beats an extra shot you don't shoot

[jaunty vault]

marginally extra damage does NOT beat an extra shot

[eternal basalt]

you don't shoot

[jaunty vault]

why would you not shoot

[timid beacon]

I think Hassat's saying that you're not gonna get that extra shot, without a very large RLD bonus

[sweet delta]

marginally faster reload does NOT give an extra shot

[polar lion]

Well I liek to think rld helps moar with dmg uptime instead of giving extra shot shenigans

[timid beacon]

meanwhile any FP you get to the shots you do get to take, it's not major but it does add

[clear harbor]

Is Hermonie any good? I managed to pull (or loot?) her recently.

[jaunty vault]

no

[forest palm]

she's the worst Dido

[clear harbor]

Oof. I like her art at least!

[jaunty vault]

yeah she's hot

hottest Dido id say but sirius got some sirius skins

[timid beacon]

I like to think I live in my apartment rent-free, but it doesn't stop the landlord company from complaining when I don't pay

[jaunty vault]

anyways

[timid beacon]

unless the RLD bonus is massive, FP is gonna be the key

if your BB shots are (let's keep the math simple) 20sec intervals, and the battle is a full minute/60sec, you're going to have to get RLD that equates to 1/4 reload time (5sec) to squeeze in an extra shot

that's unlikely

and while the FP boost also won't be massive, it's more effective than maginally decreasing reload by 1sec for a shot that won't fire until after the battle is over

[atomic abyss]

[timid beacon]

that's why, as much as I adore Howe, you have to be in a loooong battle to get any real benefit from her skill

[atomic abyss]

the thing with rld tech buffs is that, you need more than a few to get a noticeable result

however when you do hit that break point

the increase you get from another salvo/volley is far greater than a few FP stat

[timid beacon]

yup

[forest palm]

this on the whole effectively does nothing, and overall will tank your damage because you're running Howe

[timid beacon]

yes

that's what I'm saying. focusing on RLD, that's a trade-off that rarely is a new positive

you usually sacrifice something way better

because to get enough reload for guaranteed extra shots, you'd need RLD auxiliaries, ships that benefit RLD but not damage, etc

[forest palm]

except you don't...

Max RLD + HSFCR can hit 4 Salvo

[timid beacon]

I was using round numbers as an example

not as a calculated actual

[forest palm]

doesn't matter what you use, it just sounds like a bunch of fluff

[polar lion]

I put rld > FP with the intention of trying to put salvos timing slightly closer to each other for dmg uptime since I prioritize picking 457 for grinding and also to trigger barrage. Not really trying to get extra salvo

[forest palm]

FP won't mean nearly as much if you lack Hit

that's why the primary Main Fleet Tech is RLD ~ Hit then FP/AVI

lack of Hit is the #1 reason I shit on Fred

[timid beacon]

primary tech is Hit and FP, with RLD for timing

[cobalt gate]

anything i can do to increase the damage?

[timid beacon]

what's the command for the auxiliary chart? /aux? /auxiliary?

[atomic abyss]

we dont have such a command

[timid beacon]

lemme find the chart itself then

[atomic abyss]

what... is the purpose of this team

[turbid marsh]

yukikaze i am guessing

[forest palm]

you continue to be wrong

[timid beacon]

autoloader on Kearsarge is odd

[honest stirrup]

my guess is timing requirements

[forest palm]

some of us vets have 11 auto loader

[timid beacon]

probably, but that's 2 timing adjusters though. that's gonna hurt some damage potential

[honest stirrup]

Sure, but if Kear really needs it for timing, then I don't see how he can use a shell instead.
And swapping Kear isn't really an option unless they swap 2 ships at once since that's the point of Kear+York combo

[timid beacon]

I guess I'd need to know what the overall issue is then, for what 'more damage' is needed, for what scenario

[cobalt gate]

@atomic abyss for jin meta

[dusty geyser]

hello, noob question
do i need like 2 fleets for operation siren? and if so what is the optimal level of each ship in there..?

[honest stirrup]

If you have Unicorn retro or Perseus you can clear almost all campaigns with level >110-120 ships in a single fleet assuming the rest of the fleet is also decent.
In every case, you're almost required to have at least a second fleet to take relay during harder parts such as strongholds and bosses (which unfortunately are also the parts that gives most rewards), and for Arbiter it's even 2 whole boss-dedicated fleets in average.

in summary yes you're pretty much obliged to have a second fleet with both fleets level >115, but you can already do some good content with 1 decent fleet

[stark quiver]

+13 the hvars

and the la9

[cobalt gate]

not enough gold plates

[stark quiver]

uhh get your oathed ships to 200 aff?

[cobalt gate]

other than eldridge and helena are all 200

update

[stark quiver]

Ur eagl AA also better than staag, other than that, not much other than higher tech etc

[cobalt gate]

the new rainbow right? haven't started that yet

nothing on vanguard to change ?

[stark quiver]

idk why helena usin that 2ndary gun, also imp quad +13 on both eld and aurora
then its just more +13 , tech and whatnot

[vale spindle]

Helena secondary gun is the least of your concerns

[cobalt gate]

what else to use, i just use since jin is light

[atomic abyss]

eld with dual swords
100 kai better

beyond that it's just tech really

and ye +13

[cobalt gate]

welp, i don't remember what i did differently because i was 10/10 last week and only 3/10 this week

with the same team, not 100% sure about equipment

[atomic abyss]

well it's helena

every possibility you got very lucky last weel

also, why is yk2 using a manjuu anyways

[cobalt gate]

but i don't think i was super lukcy

[atomic abyss]

why are you moving away from 20s

[cobalt gate]

not sure, it was working last week so i didn't change it

i mean you want to be later for the jin self debuff

[atomic abyss]

you see

now yk2 is desynced from helena AND the slow from eld and rumey

so it's likely most of her rockets are missing too

[cobalt gate]

wait slow affects rocket

[atomic abyss]

rockets are basically anti light converging TB
except they dont miss as much as a conv TB would

[cobalt gate]

they still need slow? kept thinking they all hit and only thing is enemy evade status

[atomic abyss]

they dont neccessarily
but your complaint is about consistency

[cobalt gate]

so another steam or beacon

well i thought the consitancy was more due to enemy actual evade and not movement

[atomic abyss]

you see, right now your aims and your teams arent mixing

eld implies you want to use the slow from her, same applies to helena's debuff

yk2 isnt synced with those at all

if you say you want the debuff from mint herself

then everyone needs to be slower

[cobalt gate]

who is mint

[tame jungle]

jintsuu meta

[boreal wagon]

a nickname for jintsu meta

[atomic abyss]

mint = mintsuu = jintsuu meta

im just giving you the possibilities for why it could be becoming less consistent

without actually observing the battle, it's impossible to be sure

[polar lion]

U dun use Kear gun?

[cobalt gate]

+10

you mean the 25 sec one right

[polar lion]

2nd sky for Yorkii?

[cobalt gate]

well that makes it from 22.1 to 23.66

[polar lion]

HVAR, sky, sky

[cobalt gate]

23.23

hvar of course damage should be better than la9

so this instead?

i'm not sure if 1st slot york would get hvar +10 or +12 vs kreasrge

[polar lion]

Kear gun on Kear and HVAR, sky, sky on Yorkii would make them align for kear salvo landing just b4 Yorkii load

[cobalt gate]

which one kear gun?

[forest palm]

this for Arbiter?

[polar lion]

25s gun

[atomic abyss]

mintsuu

[cobalt gate]

this one? no +13 though

[forest palm]

oh...

ya that'll slow ya down

[cobalt gate]

would mean i go back to white ammo

[polar lion]

And why not?

[cobalt gate]

well mk7 does get off 4th shot and its +13 vs no +13

and the reloader does mean kersage gets 4th airstrke as well

[polar lion]

I was assuming u r trying to copy the fritz 4 strikes, Yorkii 3 strikes comp but if u r changing Kear salvo timing, then maybe u have something else in mind?

[cobalt gate]

not really, i'm just trying to get the most damage in which i thought was trying to squeeze in more shots

worried about 3 shot for kesearge is mostly +10 vs +13 the +13 would do more

wow york did 460k i think

[woven star]

You know you can switch damage on al calculator

[cobalt gate]

both hit worked... hmm wonder if i just got lucky or this is better than old fleet

[boreal wagon]

they arent using calc from the looks and its not like its going to be all that accurate anyway

[polar lion]

I'm not really aware of why the timing is important coz I never tried the comp but slower is better in this case. U can ask Stig or cheeky when they are around for the details

[boreal wagon]

its bc she takes more and more damage the longer the battle lasts

[cobalt gate]

its more about with my tech, i can squeeze last sec air raid and salvo from kersage which seems good due to how jin meta self debuff works

so i went 4th shot with reloader instead of white shell, also the reason i am leaning towards giving the +12 hvar to kersearge instead of yorktown but not sure if thats true

well going to save up tries and see how it is later i do think the damage improved, could try plymouth instead of helena to see if can be done without radar

is plymouth equal to 1 radar vs helena?

[full nacelle]

Bruh
I was already mad i had to do each stage twice
Now you gotta do 3 times on chapter 7?

[atomic abyss]

it gets to 6x by the time you reach w14/15

[cobalt gate]

take it slow don't worry too much

[full nacelle]

D:

I hope 7-2 is enough to grind for Research in not too much time then

[keen sable]

Event night exists

[atomic abyss]

research speed is piss slow until w12

[paper walrus]

so i have copies of ships at different limitbreak tiers and i dont remember why i was doing this but i feel like there was a reason. Whatever it is i cant be bothered to do this anymore im just curious. Does anybody know whats the benefit in doing so

[atomic abyss]

none
max limit break or bust

maybe fleet power flexing for leaderboards but that's cope AF for non whales

[polar lion]

Low oil comp?

[paper walrus]

hmmm

[paper walrus]

im pretty sure it was this but i dont even remember what it is XD

anyway thanks

[atomic abyss]

fleet power is a pointless metric that's essentially the sum of stats

for the fleetpower leader board, it totals for all ships present
including duplicates, if they are at different LBs

[paper walrus]

interesting thanks

[honest stirrup]

Keeping non-max LB duplicates for fleet power seems counterproductive when you could have simply allocated these resources into getting actual maxed ships

[atomic abyss]

it's not that

it's keeping mlb, 2lb, 1lb and 0lb

it's extremely pointless yes

[boreal wagon]

(and another copy for some retros)

[atomic abyss]

but that is how the metric is calculated

[honest stirrup]

...
Yes that's what I figured out?

[atomic abyss]

i mean they would already have other maxed ships if that was the goal

the whole exercise is essentially raising multiple copies

[paper walrus]

this was boring to do even back then when i had almost nothing to grind for so im definitely not doing it now that im so far behind

getting free dock space

[frozen solstice]

Is it worth developing an enterprise to level 125?

[keen sable]

It's something you do if you have 3000 dock space.

[frozen solstice]

Thanks

[keen sable]

Or maybe 2000 if you want to be "back" then

[bleak nymph]

Would this be good for w14 mob or should i rethink before i invest time in getting gear for kron

Main
FdG
Unicorn
Rumey

Vang
Z52
San diego
Kronshtadt

[sweet delta]

I have fewer than 2000 dock space, that's why I don't bother with fleet power

[sweet delta]

Gear is whatever, more importantly did you invest bulins to Kron already? Don't if no

[bleak nymph]

Have not

[atomic abyss]

better to use a tank like agir or anchorage or brest or napoli
who dont use UR bulins

[timid beacon]

and they're awesome tanks anyways

[atomic abyss]

are better tanks even

[bleak nymph]

Will run anchorage then instead since agir going on boss fleet

[timid beacon]

Z52 would have sole ASW responsibility in that fleet

just something to note

[atomic abyss]

not really

sandy already has very high asw for a CL, higher than some DDs even

[timid beacon]

unless Uni has an ASW plane

oh SANDY, I though San Fran T_T

[atomic abyss]

and yes you should give uni an ASW plane regardless
same applies to hedgehog on z52

[paper walrus]

is there a way to level up skills without the academy? im finding low lvl ships with lvl 10 skills that i cant imagine wasting books on

sounds like a stupid question but im serious 😭

[bleak nymph]

What planes are ASW actually? I'm not really sure I have any l0l

[timid beacon]

Fairey Gannet is a good new one

[atomic abyss]

not unless they are META ships

[timid beacon]

ASW planes are aircraft that are in the aux gear slot

a couple Avenger variants, Sword, and the new Gannet

with the Gannet being really good, having an attack passive

[bleak nymph]

Gear lab?

[timid beacon]

and Core Data shop, yeah

[bleak nymph]

oh i dont see it in core data

[timid beacon]

I think just the purple ones are in core data

[sweet delta]

It would be a massive waste of core data

[timid beacon]

yeah that's only if you can't make it in gear lab

[sweet delta]

If you can't make it in gear lab then you shouldn't be playing chapter 14

[sacred dragon]

I started play AL wednesday and reached lv.26, at the moment I'm stuck at stage 3.3 of the campaign. I'm really lost on what to do or what to focus on.
I have no idea which units to use/level and what is the best way.
Would any experienced player willing to vc (I can share my game) and giving me some tips based on my current progression?

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

you can refer to this guide

it tells you what to raise
where to get said ships to raise
and what to do

[boreal wagon]

and if u are still confused u can always come back and ask

[sacred dragon]

I found that website but i still feel really lost.

[atomic abyss]

first question then is, what are you using currently

[atomic abyss]

renown aside, you are on the right track

can i see what options you have to replace renown?

[sweet delta]

Limit break the ships

[timid beacon]

I doubt them even have bulins at this point tbh. it's day 3

[sacred dragon]

I seen videos saying to not limit break till you reached the level cap.

[atomic abyss]

completely untrue

extremely outdated videos

you should do the opposite for non ultra rares

limit break as soon as possible if you're using them

[sacred dragon]

non ultra rares means purple and below?

[atomic abyss]

gold and below

[atomic abyss]

for now, it seems you dont have any better
so i would stick ranger in over renown

[woven star]

One more. In option menu put autolock new ships and begin retire common ships. Lock on right bottom

[timid beacon]

not if they're running Ranger

they need the copies

[sacred dragon]

I got 2 universal bulins currently, but if i should spend them would it be for unicorn? of wait for laffey till i have another mission to limit break her?

[woven star]

At his level not sure it's important

[boreal wagon]

retiring common ships is still probably a rather bad idea given enhancing exists

[timid beacon]

Unicorn is a ship that'll get you right to end-game

so any investment in her is good investment

[woven star]

Ah true. I forgot enchanting

[sacred dragon]

I am unsure what to focus on really. The event stages? farm campaign stages to get levels? War archieves? (dont really know when to do those)

[woven star]

Anyway, my point medal shop has good ships as for beginners SanD and Sirius but question how get medals without loosing much

This month CL and SS

[timid beacon]

guide goes into what to do, but yeah campaign stages and jump into events if/when you can

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips#push_campaign

[woven star]

3-4 autoplay? So this is first goal

[sacred dragon]

well i tried to push to chapter 9 but got stuck which is a reason why i searched youtube guides but everything is outdated and i got confused

[timid beacon]

what are you stuck on?

[sacred dragon]

cant beat the boss on 3-3, if I had to guess gearing if the units im using are good except ranger (which is still lv1)

[timid beacon]

hmm. well, limit breaking where you can definitely helps power up your ships

[woven star]

Show ship's gears

[timid beacon]

and do you have gear in each of your active ships' gear slots?

[sacred dragon]

is there an easy way to show? instead of selecting individual units? not super familiar with the menu's.

[timid beacon]

mostly just screenshotting

but either way, the key at this point is putting what you can into each gear slot

open any tech boxes you pick up along the way to get new gear too

[boreal wagon]

(also probably best done in a thread)

[sacred dragon]

Sorry, I don't mean to spam the channel which is why I asked for vc

[tame jungle]

no vc! (we are shy...)

[boreal wagon]

most people here prefer helping via text, but it doesnt really spam the chat anyway (since it was made for this) especially if u create a thread here

[woven star]

Just make a thread 🧵

Np

[sacred dragon]

New playing needs tips in order to progress.

[little tree]

This even good ?

[sweet delta]

it can be considered as the second best gun for felix and top N gun for fritz

[sinful escarp]

remove indianapolis and change her to helena

is that really the only ships you have?

retrofit portland> change inidanapolis to helena> change long island into unicorn, retro unicorn too

vanguard is a good ship, but she is for bossing and for her debuff, which makes her a good choice for a full BB boss fleet

you can buy helena in shops

sirius and kazagumo (for a future CV fleet)
sandy, nelson (retro both, but not after portland and uni)

[weary gust]

Non limit break Vanguard = useless.

[sinful escarp]

also use your duplicates to limit break just 1 copy. i see you have 2 locked unicorns

[glossy granite]

That vanguard is useless lol, 3 stars

[sinful escarp]

just gotta say this but put portland in the slot where indi is, out helena in middle and javellin in portlands current slot.
helena in middle until she gains levels equal to your other ships

[cobalt gate]

wow perfect oscar

so quick question, how many bb cats should i have and how many cv cats?

[unreal star]

might be a dumb question, but how do you get iris orthodoxy equip boxes?

[boreal wagon]

they are in the normal coin shop, medal shop and merit shop

[cobalt gate]

they pop up in coin shop time to time, medal shop is most consistant 15 per month and in guild and exercise shop randomly as well

[unreal star]

kk ty

[cobalt gate]

i don't know how but i don't have an actually good cv cat... i thought it was suppose to be one of the easiest to max

[storm heron]

if you are rich and have nothing else to do just keep rerolling and buyinf catbox, eventualy you end up with 8 40 rld cats and 2 55 avi cats with flame

[hot oriole]

This is my main fleet to grind

I'm in 7-2 right now

[sinful escarp]

tbh thats good enough to pass w12

but i would still switch out massachussets with unikai

[storm heron]

or does raff lb2 actually has massive heals?

[zenith heron]

Unikai is at least the most consistent due to heals bcs Raff probably isn't much unless your fleet can do a fast clear by sheer force

[hot oriole]

Erm hey, when do I need mob fleet?

[forest palm]

that's the first thing you make, then you move onto a boss fleet, anyway you should have 2 functioning fleets by world 10

[hot oriole]

Bet

My only power is over-leveled, enhance and skills, because my gears are bullshit

And the golden gears' blueprints took so much time to find out a little by little

[zenith pebble]

[digital flower]

What fleet should I be using on meta Hornet?

[sinful escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKIxGWx-AU

it doesnt matter if you cant one shot, but with those fleets you should constantly get 75 points for helping others

and easy 2 shot

[digital flower]

Something I always wondered is why everyone uses Helena in Meta showdown
Does she get some special stats or smth?

[stark quiver]

60% chance for 40% damage taken for enemies every 16/20 seconds

[storm heron]

massive buff

[stark quiver]

which just happens to be most loading times for backline

[sinful escarp]

big dmg becomes BEEEEG DMG

[zenith pebble]

it feels weird hearing sushi

[zenith heron]

Helena may not be consistent due to chance, but when that 40% dmg buff procs, it hits hard

[stark quiver]

its like flipping a slightly rigged coin

[late flame]

cope for helena getting aug for 100% proc
restart (your own) fights when there is no proc / not enough procs for 1 shot

[zenith heron]

Its like if Enty has a chance to double her damage

Then Helena does that as well but buffs her allies as much

Chance is still chance so its quite sad but doable

[stark quiver]

resetting helena for cm is fun

[late flame]

we just need a team where every member has 60-70% chance proc and OHKOs first attack

[eager mulch]

we already have Ranger

[zenith heron]

Ah yes, the worse Enty by chance

[dreamy blade]

do enemy planes have levels (for aa dmg calculation)

[deep cypress]

What are the stars under the profile picture, guys?

[hazy kiln]

Do I need a certain ammo type for the medical center event or am I just not strong enough. It times out

[stark quiver]

pretty sure its stars if your leftmost secretary ship

[deep cypress]

These.

[livid thunder]

Hi! Should I keep the 160 agir blueprint I keep for a future date simulation?

[stark quiver]

sure

[deep cypress]

Oh, yeah. Makes sense. Thx.

[sweet delta]

The bosses are Light/Medium so the usual Hood HE is fine, you're probably just not strong enough. Use BF-109G rocket fighter if you have it

level 110 Enemy Flagship
NAME                             Armor   HP       EVA  LCK  SPD  HIT  AVI  FP   TRP  AA   
Hospital Nightmare DD            Light   2,078    0    0    15   25   0    69   390  189  
Hospital Nightmare CL            Light   3,157    0    0    15   25   0    111  273  405  
Hospital Nightmare CA            Medium  5,711    0    0    15   25   0    217  154  277  
Hospital Nightmare BB            Heavy   12,943   0    0    15   25   0    286  0    287  
Hospital Nightmare CV            Medium  11,830   0    0    15   25   273  0    0    346  
Hospital Nightmare Bombing Ship  Light   367      0    0    30   211  0    100  278  0    
Hospital Nightmare SS            Light   905      0    0    12   21   0    37   263  0    
Franklin                         Medium  96,820   28   25   20   44   310  170  0    400  
Eagle                            Medium  91,000   35   25   16   44   210  240  0    320  
Halford                          Light   120,000  52   25   18   49   350  260  350  370```

[hazy kiln]

Figured I was to low, just making sure. 5 days left, it's the last part I need

[polar lion]

Stig, why kear gun for mint?

[sweet delta]

kear gives high eldridge slow uptime, mk7 doesn't get full 4 salvos without autoloader

[storm heron]

120k ehp halford nvm it's boss stats

[fast frigate]

which meowficers are good

[wind hazel]

the ones with good talents

[nocturne glade]

are quad mags fine on agir or should I use the purple triple ones for lower cd? I was more concerned with the torpedoes being magnetic over the cd

[honest sequoia]

Does 0.4 and 0.2 sec difference matters in CV strike

[frank pulsar]

depending on what yr trying to do, likely yes

[honest sequoia]

Implac

haku is .48
Implac .50
shinano .54

[frank pulsar]

just pretend her slow doesnt exist
its not worth the effort trying to sync it, use quad mag

[frank pulsar]

thats fine

implac timings not as tight as avp

[wind hazel]

that is 0.02 btw

[tight yarrow]

what is this month arbiter armor?

[wind hazel]

light... and med

[tight yarrow]

why there an and?

[wind hazel]

the summon has different armour

unless i have been lied to

[nocturne glade]

i see, ty!

[misty tree]

Is there a 15-4 safe auto fleet everyone uses for bosses?

[wind hazel]

check /w15

[rapid grail]

UR BB - Yk2n + Enty - two tanks and an AA carry

the ol' reliable

[rigid wharf]

Just pulled franklin i love her design but is she any good?

[hollow gust]

[rapid grail]

oh mb, i read "w15 boss fleet"

[stark quiver]

She’s not bad for a new player

[rigid wharf]

So i take it she's kinda mid for older players then? Cause I tried lookin at some tier list but she ain't on thier, prob cause she's still pretty new

[sweet delta]

Old players just use all rainbow ships for DPS, and only a few purple and gold ships are best for debuffs or heals and stuff

Franklin is basically top 3 gold CV for damage against light and medium bosses

[rigid wharf]

Gotcha gotcha, thx i mean I wouldn't say in a hardcore veteran since I've been playing for a couple months but don't think she'll be of much use still, her design is peak even if it costed me a bit of cubes lol

[rapid grail]

collection good

[rigid wharf]

Just pains me to see me drop from 190 cubes to 170 I gotta save for my favorites

[carmine heath]

Better or worse than horny 2?

[rigid wharf]

I should be fine, most of em are urs and I doubt they'd re run them like thier going out of style

[rapid grail]

best you can do now is to stop pulling for more; aim for 400 cubes
then 800 cubes
then 4 digit number of cubes

you will want to conserve up on cubes for future events especially UR events.

[rigid wharf]

Agreed I just sometimes can't help myself with the amazing design they cook up 🗣️ 🔥

But i limit myself to never let it go below 200 cubes

[upbeat wagon]

Are these 2 yellow subs good to invest in?

And is the gold sub from the medal shop worth, or should i buy something else (bought both gold bulins already)

[upbeat wagon]

I also have amity

[soft raft]

Yes, esp since she pairs well with other German subs U-37 (tho you can safely ignore Subs for a good bit)

Tho if you haven't already gotten Hood or Enterprise yet, they would be higher piro if they're in your medal shop selection

[upbeat wagon]

I have both

[upbeat wagon]

I cleared 13 2 so decided i should start investing

What abt the gold subs i currently own?

[rapid grail]

u37 is good, maggiore barca is meh (dmg-wise)
idk what your current subs atm so pls show

[upbeat wagon]

The leveled purple ones plus amity rofl

So basicly nothing

Ill level up u37 and the medal shop one than

[tame jungle]

i'd wait until you get the 3rd to form a good comp but just slapping them in dorm wouldn't hurt i guess

[wary skiff]

Fatesim agir or fdg first?

[eager mulch]

what agir fate sim

[zenith heron]

Agir has no Fate Sim yet

[wary skiff]

Oh wut, then why does it show me an amount for fate sim for agir?

[zenith heron]

Basically asking you to save Bp's before Fate Sim actually comes....

[wary skiff]

Ah

[zenith heron]

You can touch that Fate Simulation sentence to swap it to Dev30 so it would display how much you need before Dev30...

Since the only PR4 who has a FateSim is only Hakuryuu... (Edit: Actually the only DR4)

[late flame]

[whole crypt]

this month is tempy right?

[nocturne glade]

does u37 want g7e since she has Oxygen from her skill? Or is it just bidders

[soft raft]

All research ships have the option to save BPs for FS by default when they drop so the devs don't need to go back and add it in individually when they actually get it

[wary skiff]

Gotcha

[cunning bison]

for sub fleet i use u-556 meta, da vinci and maggiore what auxes do i give them

[atomic abyss]

Snorkel + pressure hull by default

[wintry quartz]

how much of each bp does each rarity give (on average)

[atomic abyss]

For rainbows researches?
1-2 for blue
2-3 for purple
4 for gold

[sinful escarp]

.... but i remember getting 0 in some face blue researches for DR

[jaunty vault]

the minimum is
1
2
3

0 is impossible for face

you might be confusing it with 1:30:00 G research

[sinful escarp]

ahhh gotcha, thats highly likely then

[wintry quartz]

yikes i still need hella bps

also is it really that low for blue cuz i just got 3 on a blue for kear

[atomic abyss]

Yes it is

The 3rd one was probably a bonus drop

[sinful escarp]

thats also why we recommend fast researches. more researches= more chances for good researches= more bp

[wintry quartz]

Ahh good to know

11 more for dev 30 kear

I shouldnt rush hindeburg esp i cant dev 30 right

[atomic abyss]

You shd focus on Kearsarge first

Then remove her from the pool

If you mean rush to raise hindy
Then yeah take it slow

[wintry quartz]

How so

[sinful escarp]

by remove her from the pool, it means to dev 30 her so her research wont appear until after you dev 30 the others in the series

[wintry quartz]

I could also dev 30 another pr7 ship

[sinful escarp]

after you dev30 everyone in the series their researches will appear as normal so you can pre-farm for fate sim

[wintry quartz]

6*

Should i dev 30 shimanto? I think i just need the exp grind and id be able to dev 30 cuz i already some

[sinful escarp]

get her to fs5, shimanto is an excellent ship for w15

[spring basin]

when is the next expected big event ?

[viscid swift]

depends on your definition of big

next new event probably won't be until the end of this month but it should be a relatively small affair

CN Anni is next month after all

[spring basin]

okay thanks that's what i was wondering.

[polar lion]

Who's the top 3 gold CVs?

[eager marsh]

Build Juneau for AA? I'm struggling in ch13

[normal cedar]

which of the following ships are not great from a gameplay pov, especially for higher worlds? (base or retrofitted)
I wanted to retire some of them

[jaunty vault]

there's like two ships that are good from a gameplay pov and they both fall off in later game

[polar lion]

U can retire the easily accessible ones liek Z23, Javelin, Nelson, Rodney, Ark, York, London, Indianapolis, Lex, Houston and others u can find on campaign maps

[jaunty vault]

do you not have san diego

[normal cedar]

ok, thanks!

[normal cedar]

which are they?

[jaunty vault]

juneau is good but she alone probably won't clear w13 for you

[eager marsh]

I do, but it's still ~2200ish out of 3000 required AA

[sinful escarp]

sandy is an even better AA carry
with her retrofit and augment she is a top contender for later worlds

[jaunty vault]

Nelson and ark royal
both need retrofit too
there's quite a few good ships that give tech stats however

[jaunty vault]

are you doing hardmode

[spring basin]

from my experience unicorn and enty will treat you pretty well.

[jaunty vault]

franklin is probably in top three with enty

[eager marsh]

not hard mode, this is my fleets btw

[atomic abyss]

SRL is better than franklin iirc

[spring basin]

is franklin that good ? i haven't paid much attention to her since getting her.

[jaunty vault]

ah you mean ACV

[atomic abyss]

ACV is dependent more on aviation

[wind hazel]

remove warspite, use more CV

[jaunty vault]

also ark royal in mob

[atomic abyss]

Good, not that good
Enty is just miles ahead

[jaunty vault]

uvh flag

hood boss

[wind hazel]

no debuff

[jaunty vault]

no tank

in both fleets

bro your fleets need a makeover

[spring basin]

is that ch 12 ?

[jaunty vault]

13

[eager marsh]

mob fleet can actually survive 6 battles but yeah it is horrendous

[wind hazel]

sandy can actually tank

[jaunty vault]

unicorn do be solo carrying

[eager marsh]

I kinda want to post my dock to ask for suggestion now

[spring basin]

for w13 can't you run boss fleet 1bb 2 cv with mob 3cv ?

[jaunty vault]

you can

[spring basin]

and an aa carry i assume

[jaunty vault]

but as everything

it depends™️

[eager marsh]

this is my ships

[wind hazel]

level up independence and implacable at w12

and roon i guess, might as well. vanguard can have some better ship than laffey

[atomic abyss]

You can
That would be my recommendation even

Since it gives you more tolerance with ACV

[jaunty vault]

MOB
unicorn Saratoga independence Portland yuudachi
BOSS
enterprise implacable uvh (off flag) eugen/roon z46/laffey san diego

should breeze through with appropriate levels and gears

you can also use helena instead of laffey z46 in boss fleet

[eager marsh]

Ah... I don't have enough steam for 5 CVs

[jaunty vault]

use the purple avi fuel

[eager marsh]

Alright lemme try

[jaunty vault]

level the lower levelled ships firsr

120 should be enough

[woven star]

Saratoga, Independence, Enterprise, AvP. there is some more but for specific purpose like Hwah Jah. Ah unicorn too. Most of them elites with refits

[jaunty vault]

also what is your gear scenario

what is the purpose of hwah jah

[woven star]

ch15 support

[dreamy blade]

W13 support fleet

[jaunty vault]

[eager marsh]

I mostly follow samheart's guide

[jaunty vault]

why is she in top3

[woven star]

one of the highest fighter efficency near Fritz

[eager marsh]

but no rainbow gear

[jaunty vault]

yeah but how does it look

[woven star]

she has good stats but low meta skill. actually no just good fighter efficiency. her avi stats little low to other top cvs

[dreamy blade]

most of those planes are a little sus

[jaunty vault]

see this is why I asked

[whole crypt]

pretty sure ecgc doesn't recommend rudder/toolkit for DDs...

[woven star]

something wrong with Unicorn. not sure she has best aircrafts

[jaunty vault]

devastator bad
suisei bad
toolkit on indep unnecessary

[dreamy blade]

That aa gun on yuudachi is also not going to help

[whole crypt]

the AA gun on Yuudachi is not even near the top of list of problematic things

[whole crypt]

hellcat good
helldiver good

[wind hazel]

good fighters

[woven star]

aa better will be on Portland I guess but most of the case this gun for BBs or other dps ships which scale from FP. Ydachi is trp ship

[wind hazel]

good dive bombers

[cobalt gate]

What stage you doing that you already lvling me 155

[whole crypt]

don't think Enterprise will need that Breguet over your mob fleet

[jaunty vault]

gold f4u good

[wind hazel]

good parallel bomber, ignore the green one for now

[whole crypt]

there's no stage where you should enhance Me-155A outside of poverty AA in 15 support

[cobalt gate]

Yeah which is why I asked

[whole crypt]

note it's a poverty option

if you're seriously pushing 15 I wouldn't even recommend it

[cobalt gate]

Looks like got newbie trapped by bdt as dive bomber as well

Yeah especially with the new gear lab gold planes

[cobalt gate]

Or even just flapjack

[whole crypt]

even hellcats are fine, seriously

[tawdry halo]

Retro Nimi, Retro Portland or San Diego to use this?

[wind hazel]

i forgot what else is there

[zenith pebble]

Kronk is russian pr6 right?

[whole crypt]

Kronshtadt is a UR not DR

[zenith pebble]

Okie

[dreamy blade]

that gun isn't that good so you can put it on Portland since she doesn't do dmg anyway

[zenith pebble]

Different russian then, but still good

[dreamy blade]

But depending on your resources might not be worth enhancing

[eager marsh]

I love you

[tawdry halo]

I think I can handle enhancing it to +8

[woven star]

maybe dd from Laffy will be better on Yudachi Stop me wrong It's diff single guns. I thought it was single 113 but maybe 138.6 fine too

[eager marsh]

this is the suggested boss fleet

[jaunty vault]

i love mori too

[dreamy blade]

I'm saying it would be a waste to enhance for Portland bc she doesn't do dmg and you probably have something usable on her already

[dreamy blade]

The purple twin120 dd gun is the best poverty option

[eager marsh]

and this is my torps and bb guns

[dreamy blade]

Nimis gun is fine

[tawdry halo]

Sandy?

[dreamy blade]

Not ideal, what other guns do you have?

[tawdry halo]

Uhh

[wind hazel]

i forgot the 3rd mob, use common sense 🏃🏼‍➡️

but this is more or less what you can get

[zenith pebble]

???

Im confused, why mutsuki?

[wind hazel]

read the first half of the sentence 😭

maybe can level up montpilier

[nocturne glade]

is the improved quad mags worth spending my torp gold plates on? Or is there a better option

[sweet delta]

There's no better option

[nocturne glade]

great, ty!

[eager marsh]

I love you so much

[wind hazel]

your last one

[stark quiver]

Stig go sleep

[woven star]

maybe 138 is not a bad idea to use on some of the ships

[dreamy blade]

Ok actually put the gold 100mm you just got on sandy then

[woven star]

at least he have one of them

[wind hazel]

ye just sub whichever you want

[tawdry halo]

[upbeat wagon]

Should I upgrade the event quad magnetic torps or the default to +13

[wind hazel]

improved quad mag first

[woven star]

isn't two event magnetic torps. which one?

[dreamy blade]

Inproved quad mags are the good ones if that's what you mean

[woven star]

both quad and both event which was early... and they ar different

[upbeat wagon]

Yeah

Should they be on kazagumo or Z52?

[dreamy blade]

Kaza

[upbeat wagon]

Is the second one better than regular quad magnetic torpedos

[dreamy blade]

No

[molten zinc]

situationally better than the regular one but only if you know what you're doing

[tawdry halo]

Is Seafang a good fighter

[woven star]

no. I'm using it on Eldridge refit. but it's more exception rather then usual use

[tawdry halo]

The yellow Seafang

[wind hazel]

servicable

if you have purple corsair and seafang, then just use the corsair

[upbeat wagon]

Are they better than the non magnetic torps?

[tawdry halo]

Viewing this from Enty

[wind hazel]

ye you dont have much options

[wind hazel]

keep using that corsair

[dreamy blade]

for single target bossing yes

[tawdry halo]

Ight

[upbeat wagon]

Should I use universal plates to get a champy gun to +13?

[jaunty vault]

how many champy guns you have at +13

[woven star]

and if you have strong slow or stun like from Implacable which can synch with torp launch. this torp little risky to miss without everything that

[dreamy blade]

theyre magnetic, that automatically makes them more likely to hit than non magnetic

[woven star]

no, believe me) if regular magnetic can hit 1-2 torps from 4-5. this can miss every hit and non of the torp deal damage

[wind hazel]

i dont believe you

[woven star]

I'm using her on Eldridge cos it's not so hard to synch it with flag and Eldr has slow at that moment

[zenith pebble]

My alsace would want a triple 155 kai for w14 and opsi right?

[upbeat wagon]

0, i have 1 at 11 4 away from 12

[dreamy blade]

yes for w14, suicide boats arent really an issue in opsi

[zenith pebble]

But its ok for strongholds and harbiter right?

[dreamy blade]

yes just for the 45fp

[upbeat wagon]

How do you get the SR plates for +13?

[zenith pebble]

And for the bb gun, rainbow 406 would suffice for alsace?

[dreamy blade]

daily raids, opsi, event/guild shop mostly

they are the rarest resource in the game

[zenith pebble]

Ive got twin bofers and black and white artillery

[upbeat wagon]

The 5 needed one not the main gun or aircraft plates

[dreamy blade]

oh those, opsi

[upbeat wagon]

Hmm

[tame orchid]

How do you get records in opsi

[upbeat wagon]

Did opsi reset, when does it reset

[wind hazel]

it's not fixed. what alsace uses best change according to the enemy

[dreamy blade]

i dont think ive ever had to worry about those tho

[upbeat wagon]

I have 0 i havent really done any opsi

Are white shells worth upgrading to 13

[dreamy blade]

/plusthirteen

/plus13

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[zenith pebble]

It just depends on the boss armor right?

[wind hazel]

most of the time

[upbeat wagon]

Should I level 11 two shells or level 12 a single shell

[dreamy blade]

never enhance things to +11/+12, just wait until you can +13 something in 1 go

[upbeat wagon]

oh

Alright will keep in mind for later

[zenith pebble]

Based on this, would it be a mistake to +13 a wyvern?

[nocturne glade]

for hidden strategic search, should I just set it to 4,5,6?

[zenith pebble]

Waste of resources or doesn’t add much stat wise

[dreamy blade]

wyvern is only used for campaign and is UR so it costs 3x the gold plates

[zenith pebble]

People don’t use wyverns in opsi?

[tame jungle]

i use wyverns in opsi

[dreamy blade]

not for the hard opsi content

[wind hazel]

it's basically not worth +13 wyvern

[tame jungle]

but for the hard content you use converging torp bombers

[frozen osprey]

is +10 rat gun better than +13 staag?

[dreamy blade]

there are also just too many other planes that are higher prio

[zenith pebble]

Oh, do just keep things at +10 and get better skill wise

[wind hazel]

depends on what you're looking for, but generally i would say yes

[tame jungle]

what the fuck does skill-wise mean in azur lane

[wind hazel]

when you lose in pvp

[jaunty vault]

you set it to whatever hidden zones you wanna clear
it is generally recommended to clear all hidden zones as they give good rewards as compared to explorable or secured zones

[tame jungle]

calling the most skilled player (serenity)

[jaunty vault]

serenity do be peak

[frozen osprey]

bossing/pvp i guess, would vanguard ships want them too?

[upbeat wagon]

1 does opsi use morale
2 how are fleets in opsi usually built? Like are there mob and boss fleets

3 is there an opsi guide somewhere

[dreamy blade]

1. you dont lose morale but you still get the exp bonus from being at 120+ morale
2. usually mob and 2 boss fleets and an optional 4th for crossfleets

[tame jungle]

no morale
1 mob fleet 3 boss fleets

opsi guide = clear all shiny icons

[dreamy blade]

when you are newer you probably only have enough ships to just have 1 mob and 1 boss fleet

[nocturne glade]

I see, ty!

[upbeat wagon]

Opsi fleet help

Could anybody help with opsi fleet #1358002911845683431 message

[dreamy blade]

the main thing for opsi is to prioritize strongholds+abyssals+arbiter each month, other than that it's pretty self-explanatory

[wind hazel]

the only situation i see +10 rat losing out is you want that opsi damage cap lol, otherwise the extra 5 hit, the better AA are better than +13 staag

and yeah vanguard ships would love them too

[frozen osprey]

ok thank you

[hoary relic]

should i retro saratoga?

or independence?

[livid thunder]

Hi I just got Hindenburg . Is this build okay? I know I am missing a main but idk which gun is good

[wind hazel]

not ok

[livid thunder]

Why?

[wind hazel]

she's not mlb, and only rudder is good there

[tame orchid]

Anyone willing to help me with arbiter hard, wanna know if its possible to beat her

[livid thunder]

Dude I am working on that as I just said I just got her

[wind hazel]

so don't use her

she's a dead weight right now

[livid thunder]

I wasn’t planning to just yet i just wanted to know what the correct gear set looked like….

[wind hazel]

like i said only rudder is good there

[boreal wagon]

correct gear also wants her maxed bc she usually wants to equip 2 guns which she cant until then

[tame orchid]

Imma creste a thread

[wind hazel]

she wants something like this

[tame orchid]

Opsi arbiter hard help

[livid thunder]

Wait this is the first time I have heard that Fumo was good on someone XD in years

Wait hold the fuck up she has two main guns?????

[wind hazel]

it's a flex slot, it depends on what she's used for most of the time

[boreal wagon]

when she is dev30 she can equip 2 guns yes

[nocturne glade]

needs mlb

[livid thunder]

That is pretty cool gimmick

Is this gear bad? I though the relatively high Eva was something you wanted on CA/CB

[south sequoia]

its a pretty good eva gear for ca/cbs yes

[jaunty vault]

can use alongside with rudder
if only 1 slot available, rudder is better

[dreamy blade]

if i dont have a plygun yet which is better on ply, seattle gun or felix gun?

[plain saffron]

which one is felix gun again

[dreamy blade]

or i could also give her a 155 kai

[hot oriole]

hey

What gear do I need to choose for Laffey and Helena?

[tawdry halo]

Is Nimi's unique augment good, I already fully retrofitted her

[dreamy blade]

depends on what you have

[hoary relic]

i need 5 more pieces of BF 109G, should i buy some from proto shop?

[plain saffron]

if you use her then yes, it's good

[dreamy blade]

it is good but not really worth how much it costs imo, unless you just really want to use her

[tawdry halo]

Gonna use her for a while because I barely have anyone to replace her

Actually I dont even have anyone as good

Helena is a cruiser and that would make my entire vanguard only having cruisers 💀

[hot oriole]

This is all I have

[hoary relic]

i need 5 more pieces of BF 109G, should i buy some from proto shop?

[hot oriole]

you asked twice bruh

[hoary relic]

because no one replied bruh

[dreamy blade]

2 toolkits on laffey, toolkit+naval camo on helena, twin 150 on helena

[hot oriole]

ok thanks

[dreamy blade]

those gold quint torps are good, give them to laffey

you dont have a lot of options so you can give laffey the single 127mm gun

[tawdry halo]

I dont think I have any good shipgirls to replace Nimi

[hot oriole]

I gave her twin 127mm, is it ok?

[dreamy blade]

that works

[dreamy blade]

this doesnt really matter tbh and you should still raise her

[wind hazel]

it's fine keep using z23, no need to craft her aug

[hoary relic]

bf 109g cant intercept right?

[dreamy blade]

the only time you have to worry about not having a dd is if asw is a concern

or hard mode restrictions i guess

[hot oriole]

These are results

[tawdry halo]

mostly of the hardmode restriction

[hoary relic]

give helena a SG radar, purple is ok until u got a gold one from T4 box or craft it

[dreamy blade]

then yeah just keep using nimi

sg radar on helena is a niche thing for adjusting timing which you shouldnt be worried about yet

[hoary relic]

u dont really need any rudder for helena if she has sg radar equiped

[dreamy blade]

blue rudders are cheaper to enhance and have more evasion

[hoary relic]

sg radar gives helena 10% more eva

[hot oriole]

😭
I want golden gears, but the research academy is so slow and I haven't unlocked the Gear R&D yet

[tawdry halo]

Is this good enough for a Day 29 main formation

[dreamy blade]

oh i actually forgot that part of her skill ngl then yeah but it being more expensive still stands

[hoary relic]

well u dont need to upgrade the sg radar to +10 yet, +6 is fine

[dreamy blade]

wait he doesnt even have an sg radar

[hoary relic]

gacha from T3 or T4 EU boxes

[wind hazel]

only if retro'd

[nocturne glade]

i mean it also makes it so you have to sync at 16 + 20n seconds which i find harder personally

[wind hazel]

which she is wtf

[hoary relic]

@wind hazelhis helena alr retro

[hoary relic]

[wind hazel]

but i still wont equip it in campaign

[hot oriole]

my fleet:
can vapourize enemy below map 9 but consume 74 oil per action

[dreamy blade]

thats normal

[hoary relic]

real challenges are in w13-w15

a mixed fleet still can go 3 star W12 lol

[hot oriole]

btw

[woven star]

why do you have two lvl 1 locked Helena? waifus?

[dreamy blade]

saving to lb the lv25 helena i assume

[woven star]

ah, ok sry

[tawdry halo]

lmb Helena

[hot oriole]

how to grind commander's level as fast as possible?

[tawdry halo]

and yea the 2 lb Indi is also me cooking her own kind...

[pine crystal]

Oh so not part of the helena cult?

[tawdry halo]

good lord

[wind hazel]

6 ships minimum, at highest stage

[tawdry halo]

I used to have a Foxhound cult

[dreamy blade]

2k dock space

[hoary relic]

bro what the f

[tawdry halo]

This shit can traumatize a few ppl (old ss)

[hoary relic]

[pine crystal]

Gotta fit my 60 helenas somewhere

[wheat ore]

bro aint no way

[hot oriole]

😭
bye bye 5000 oil, I'll miss you so much

[dreamy blade]

you can farm war archive with oil cap if you havent reached w9 yet

[hoary relic]

1 sec is it even worthy to farm war archive?

since wiki said it is worthless to do that

[wheat ore]

as a new player when should i start doing the hard stages, I started doing them but I'm not sure if I should focus on the main campaign atm

[dreamy blade]

for a new player without any other oil cap yes, if youre commander level gated

[dreamy blade]

hard mode is daily gated to 3x per day so you should be doing them

[deep cypress]

Is Kazagumo better than Sirius for buffing CVs?

[dreamy blade]

you also need the retrofit blueprints from them for unicorn/portland/your starter

[wheat ore]

is there any that I should farm or just 3 star them andmove on

[wheat ore]

ah okay

[dreamy blade]

x-4 of the highest one you can for carrier retrofit prints

[woven star]

both. they have stackable buffs. but if you need +1 more slot then Kaza over Sirius

[wheat ore]

oh, there's no point in doing the lower ones? i guess i've been wasting my time

[inland shoal]

If you only have space for one it depends, usually Kazagumo, but against enemies where Sirius' hit rate comes into effect she's better

[dreamy blade]

yeah not really, unless you want to get the 3* reward

[hot oriole]

Bet
I'll let my fleet grind while I grinding for my legs in the gym

[inland shoal]

Btw you can "cheese" the 3* so you get it using only one of the 3 daily hard mode attempts

[deep cypress]

Oh, yeah? Well, both it is. Theorically, I could run a Vanguard with Sirius, Kaza and a tank with my Shinano / Amagi CV / Implac, right?

[wheat ore]

oh yeah that's basically what i did

[dreamy blade]

sure, someone like z52 would be the usual choice there

[wheat ore]

my fleet uses so much oil

i think i made the mistake of limit breaking too much

[normal cedar]

whats the average level of your fleet?

[inland shoal]

@hot oriole Basically if you enter, kill mobs, leave without killing the boss you don't consume an attempt. So you just go in once, kill all mobs then boss, and then cheese the 2nd star like that

[hot oriole]

Nah that's fine bro

[wheat ore]

around 70-72

and i use 50 oil each time

[hot oriole]

Bro
My fleet "eat" 72 oil per action

[normal cedar]

Then I think divergent chessboard in war archives d3 has lvl 70 boss and is oil capped, you can try that

[woven star]

if vanguard can survive - sure. btw idk who will be off tank... maybe Kaza, not sure but yes - main tank/Sirius/Kaza smth like that

[wheat ore]

oh okay let me have a look at that

[dreamy blade]

probably sirius since her buff persists if she dies

[woven star]

idr who better tanking so agree

[deep cypress]

Z52 is pretty tanky. I don't know if she could tank against hard bosses tho

[inland shoal]

Also Kaza deals more dmg than Sirius usually

[dreamy blade]

she can usually, unless vanguard pressure is abnormally high for some reason

[woven star]

dunno who's harbitter now

[wind hazel]

jellyfish

[woven star]

some deff aux on off-tank will help too

[wind hazel]

she can tank

[dreamy blade]

yeah kaza being buffed by amagi cv is going to easily triple sirius's dmg or more

[fallen kettle]

I am so lost, how to navigate to mementos tab? I need it for the last letter.

[honest stirrup]

I find myself struggling to make a "York II + Kear + Enterprise" backline working since I can't figure out how to stick a slow/freeze in there. Are there any decent vanguard with speed debuffs outside of Eldridge, or do I need to swap Enterprise for Implacable?

[wind hazel]

swap enty out yes

[fiery swan]

Does anyone know when the next popularity poll is

[hoary relic]

when will eld's retro item event come back?

[plain saffron]

if it's same as before, end of year

[hoary relic]

damn 8 more months