gameplay-help

[north wharf]

I use Uni - Laffey II, but then would bossfleet just be like Musashi, Shina and NJ or something?

[wind hazel]

more or less yes

[north wharf]

Alright I will try a setup like that, thanks

[wind hazel]

im using this and it's fine so far ~_~

can be improved i think

[sage garden]

what's that for?

to save oil?

[shadow yarrow]

Are all the bbs w long range secondary guns ib?

[honest stirrup]

Not sure what you mean by this

Are there BBs without long range...?

[crimson glacier]

secondary

you know, odin, bismarck 1, rubber etc

[quasi delta]

Implacable is straight up better version of August von Parseval right?

[crimson glacier]

yes

[tame jungle]

yea

[crimson glacier]

i practically havent used avp at all after imp was released

[quasi delta]

yea its the first time getting her

missed first event

[shell willow]

will we get to keep the 3 rental tickets for the new skins or they expire?

[sharp socket]

expire

if its new event directly after implac rerun then im not sure

[eternal basalt]

Still expire

[shell willow]

im kinda sure its gonna be directly after

[eternal basalt]

March event 27th

(+April Fool event 1st)

[cunning bison]

best fleet setup to grind nakhimov? (no sovetsky)

[plain saffron]

Whoever you have that's not max level

[hollow gust]

Anything that gives exp and has good tech

[rapid grail]

literally any russian and eagle/italian backliner (dpends on which cdc) at lvl 100~ on w12 and/or c1 faming

[hot warren]

Guys is there any event currency farm guide for this event where can I find it

[cunning bison]

hmm what do i use? volga or aquila? or both then remove vv? flag plan to b raffello

[rapid grail]

raffaelo volga aquila

[wind hazel]

use low oil fleet to do daily A1 to C3, full fleet D1 to D3, do SP, repeat farm D3 or low oil B2

do until you have enough to buy whatever you need from the shop

[cunning bison]

ty

vanguard doesnt matter?

[wind hazel]

the one you wanna level

[rapid grail]

yes, vanguard is w/e; cdc only ask for either the frontliner or backliner xp, with cat for the latter

recommend good botes and/or fleet tech

[cunning bison]

whats w/e srry? and ty

[hollow gust]

Whatever you want

They don't contribute to exp

[rapid grail]

'whatever'
Btw this is the time where you should at least start to know how the gameplay works

[cunning bison]

yea i was checkin, havent rlly done much lab cdc grinding
and also aquila fighter or db 2nd slot?

[sharp socket]

fighter

she doesn't heal if no fighter

[wind hazel]

db for faster farming

[serene marsh]

what would be the best backline for hornet meta if I don't have nakhimov?

[hollow gust]

Probaly some eagle or sakura comp

UR BBs will 2 shot too

[copper locust]

Whats the best ch to farm gold on? The highest i can clear is ch11-4

[hollow gust]

Highest you can

[rapid grail]

x-4, you r on the correct spot for now

clear w12 and u set for everything

[heavy zealot]

I try to build her? The lv1 one

[wind hazel]

if those 3 are your only UR, yeah

if you don't have any bulin right now then maybe later

[heavy zealot]

Ye i dont, should i max new jerser or put some into implacable

[wind hazel]

i'd just mlb NJ with the pity

[heavy zealot]

Soooo, i go for implacable?

[wind hazel]

eventually ye

right now she's useless tho lol

[heavy zealot]

Next . My sr units

[shell willow]

dont partially limit break her, just hold until next new UR and then ask again

[heavy zealot]

I think i have enough to max limit break one unit

[dreamy blade]

probably san diego, but also possibly jervis/indom since you didnt fully limit break them but are using them

[digital raven]

Help Build Fleet With Implacable (I'm max limit breaking her soon)

[shrewd forge]

in this vanguard who is on the frontmost position here?

[exotic wren]

Move Portland to leftmost, Sandy to right

Left forward (laffey rn) is gonna be the one that will tank

[shrewd forge]

Thanks man

[wind hazel]

you can even remove portland and let sandy tank, and add another ship

or move sandy to boss fleet

[nimble knoll]

[echo nexus]

would yorktown be the best to limit break next?

[nimble knoll]

Does the event end in the 26th or 27th?

[jade tinsel]

Hello, I Need help. I search the Button for the redeem Codes on mobile, but I dont find the Button. I use the new Menu

[atomic abyss]

Events always end on Thursday's reset

[digital raven]

Help build a fleet w implacable, im alrdy having her fully max breaked and was wondering a fleet can be built around her and updated

[atomic abyss]

If you hit 3 UR bulins before the next UR event sure

[atomic abyss]

Uh, this game barely has any redeem codes outside blu ray exclusives tho, so I'm not sure what you're redeeming

[nimble knoll]

Yes! I might have a chance to get Implac with the cubes given on the 26th..

[atomic abyss]

Firstly Richelieu in middle, not unicorn
Secondly, implacable doesn't look mlb in that picture though?

[digital raven]

Yea, im planning to MLB her after ive gotten a good fleet suggestion from u guys

[atomic abyss]

Then don't use her for now

You don't have enough ships for a second fleet even

You'll run out of gold bulins trying to form one

She will also be far behind on levels

[digital raven]

Im not talking abt making a 2nd fleet. Also im not rly looking to build her asap or the fleet, just a vision or goal on what im working towards as I js wanna know what kind of fleet can be formed around her cuz im rly clueless around fleet building

I guess u coukd give me advice on what i should be looking for if I wanted to build a fleet around her

[atomic abyss]

You wouldn't build a fleet around her really, at least in campaign, quite the opposite actually
She's good for building around someone

On account of being a UR CV, you'd probably toss her in the boss fleet with enterprise

[digital raven]

Ohh, can u summarize me what does she actually do or contribute in a fleet?

[atomic abyss]

She stops enemies from moving

[digital raven]

Ohh I see

[atomic abyss]

This makes her really rrally good for certain meta showdowns or operation siren

Rather than just campaign

[echo nexus]

okie dokie, i’ll wait and see what happens when i get the last 2 bulins i need then

[atomic abyss]

In campaign she's "just another UR CV"

That's not a bad thing ofc

It's just that for campaign, you build your team for the map
Rather than building a team around a specific ship
...well unless the specific ship is needed for the map (say pairing Aquila with Musashi)

[digital raven]

Yepp im well aware of that

Its just, I was curious how to make a campaign fleet around her? Not cuz i believe its effective but cuz im rly just curious abt fleet building and I kinda like having her around?

[atomic abyss]

^

[digital raven]

Oh and how abt Shinano? Is she good to build on a campaign fleet?

[digital raven]

Replacing Unicorn I guess?

[atomic abyss]

No

You're not going to use implacable yet

The biggest issue is she's underlevelled, so you can't use here for pushing content

[worldly pewter]

u need to understand the ship roles

[atomic abyss]

The priority for you is pushing content and events

[digital raven]

Okay2

Is my current team good? For tht idea?

[atomic abyss]

Also, as abdou said
Different roles
Unicorn is for mob fleets rather than bosses

The fleet is excellent as is
I wouldn't change it

[digital raven]

Thankss aight2

[atomic abyss]

Once you've reached w9, and your main 6 ships are mostly 100+

That's when we can look into making a second ship, and including Implacable

In the mean time, what you can do is level implacable slowly
Perhaps in dorm or regular (non oil costing) commissions

[timid oar]

Hi chiefs, Any idea on how to get more rainbow bulins besides the cruise and shop?

[digital raven]

Gotchu, i see, thanks noted

[atomic abyss]

UR events have them at 30k currency milestone
15k for reruns (this one is a rerun)

Do also remember to get the 1k specialised core in the medal shop and grind the 5k out

[digital raven]

Btw, in the idea of ship building and pulls. I saw Kron and Ulrich are high meta tier ships? Was wondering what they do and if they are good to test my luck and would be an upgrade on my fleet/ do they good in serving campaign?

[atomic abyss]

Don't ever pull on heavy and special

[worldly pewter]

it is a time gated currency that u can only bypass by getting duplicates

[random rain]

hello, do you use xp books for the 120 stat bonuses, or do you just change your formation(s) with different ships until they reach 120?

[digital raven]

Oki

[timid oar]

Already maxed out the cruise and shop, I need more for my kronsh.

[atomic abyss]

Then wait

[atomic abyss]

Even if you lucked them out
They'll be useless because you can't mlb them
A non max limit break UR is worse than a regular ship

[worldly pewter]

the only permanent ur ship that is worth spending bulins on is shinano

[timid oar]

[digital raven]

Yeah, I was aware of that sentiment, and I considered saving UR Bulins to invest on a UR that I can use

[atomic abyss]

The latter
You don't get nearly enough exp books to do the former, given the number of ships
If anything, we use exp books for ships we want to rush to raise for some reason

[atomic abyss]

And implacable is indeed the best for that

[digital raven]

So can I ask at least what does Ulrich or Kron do? Are they campaign viable?

[atomic abyss]

Far better than anything else in permanent
Only one that comes close is NJ

[atomic abyss]

They are very good, but still worse than other existing options that are much easier to raise/invest

Kron in particular is contender for worst UR

[digital raven]

I seee aigjt

[atomic abyss]

FdG is just easier to invest into than Ulrich

[digital raven]

Oh

[timid oar]

I will be honest with you chief, I spent like 12 bulins already for nj, shinano and shima.

They've been good.

[digital raven]

Btw how do I effectively farm the event? Do u have tips ?

Is it, 3 star the levels, then is the 3x 5x thing a daily reset?

[worldly pewter]

u can only level 2 ships to 120 with 3k books
u can use it in some extreme situations but 99% of the time not worth it

[digital raven]

Or is it just spamming oil and sorties on a level over and over for event tokens..?

[worldly pewter]

then u know what u are doing at this point i guess

[atomic abyss]

The thing is, limited URs are better

[worldly pewter]

only 3☆ the hard ones

[novel solstice]

If possible, spam D3 -- the D maps have an oil cap so they're more efficient. And it gives better XP than the earlier ones and you might get an event ship.
Do SP once a day if you can.

[digital raven]

And then

[timid oar]

Not really still as clueless as I was 2 years ago.

[atomic abyss]

That's why we recommend not to invest UR bulins into the permanent URs

Shinano is the only one that has stood the test of the time

Tho I suppose Vanguard will be added permanently next
Tho even she hasn't withstood the test of time as well as Shinano

[digital raven]

So js spam these, and they give the most tokens too am i guessing?

[timid oar]

Oh, NJ fell hard or just slowly got overshadowed?

[worldly pewter]

well for me i did the dupe tech for 1y of playtime and caught up with the ur bulins but most people here will advise against this

[atomic abyss]

The newer UR BBs are mostly noticeably better

She got overshadowed the more UR BBs we got

She has no real niche use anymore

[timid oar]

💔

[atomic abyss]

Even Rafaello, who is relatively meh compared to other newer UR BBs, has good use for w15

Even tho she's worse than Musashi for most intents and purposes

NJ hasn't fallen as far as Ulrich sure, but she still has fallen considerably

[timid oar]

Still useful to anyone who doesn't have that much UR ships at the time I suppose.

[verbal thistle]

I'm surprised how fast Vanguard fell off.

[atomic abyss]

Vanguard didn't fall off fast at all

[verbal thistle]

Didn't Bismarck Zwei come out shortly after her? Or am I tripping?

[whole crypt]

a whole year

[atomic abyss]

But you would use them together anyways

[timid oar]

Dupe tech?

[whole crypt]

and yes for a very long time you would use both

[atomic abyss]

Vanguard only fell out of the best BB comp when Alsace came out, almost 2 whole years later

[verbal thistle]

Ohh. I guess I lost track of when Vanguard came out. My b

[atomic abyss]

And for CM, Vanguard is still better than Alsace

[spice phoenix]

what’s the best fleet comp for hornet META rn

[timid oar]

What is Alsace's niche?

[whole crypt]

strong UR BB with preload

[atomic abyss]

Soy Nakhi Rumey
Ply Z52 and someone else

[worldly pewter]

u know that dupes can be used to uncap ships right ?

[atomic abyss]

Very high damage, has preload
Preload BBs generally have less damage over a longer battle as the advantage of the preload is lost

That's why for CM, Vanguard is better

[timid oar]

Oh.

[atomic abyss]

That said

Soyuz now features in the best CV comp
So if you're already using Soyuz there for opsi
Then your best BB comp for opsi would be Bis 2 Alsace Vanguard

[timid oar]

Damn ok, time to build her now I guess, left her at level 1 thinking she's just an "ok" bb.

Also whats CM?

[atomic abyss]

Challenge mode

Generally, all URs are good to raise

[whole crypt]

I'd go with Musashi/Alsace/BisZwei because VG's crossfleet is laughable

[atomic abyss]

Whether you actually use them for difficult content is a different story

[patent pivot]

BB talk

[timid oar]

Btw is brest still relevant?

[atomic abyss]

Still very good
Relevant cos not limited

Guam powercrept her as a tank for w15

[digital raven]

Should I retrofit Unicorn/Port

[timid oar]

She beats the other large cruisers in pr?
Likes of anchorage, and agir?

[atomic abyss]

Retrofitting unicorn should be the priority

[atomic abyss]

Anchorage isn't a large cruiser, but a heavy cruiser

No Brest doesn't power creep either of them, she's worse than them usually
She also loses to Napoli

She does beat Azuma
And is better than Kron too

Brest can be a better mob tank than Ancho and Agir cos of their kit being more flexible
But she doesn't out tank them

[timid oar]

tldr being brest = better for mob, rest good/decent at everything then?

[atomic abyss]

Pretty much

[fair nimbus]

Is implacable good?

[atomic abyss]

Guam also basically beats Brest

[atomic abyss]

Extremely
One of the best URs

[timid oar]

Okay thanks!

[fair nimbus]

Oooo

[solid kite]

Where does raff situate on the ur bb scale looking just at the dps?

[fair nimbus]

So should i use all my bulin on her rn and replace shinano?

[atomic abyss]

Lower end
Kit is build for mobbing
Doesn't have the damage of Musashi, who is also a mobber

[atomic abyss]

No, you would use her with Shinano
Only limit break her when you have 4 tho

[solid kite]

So i guess i cant replace uvh with her

[atomic abyss]

You can

UvH is even further down lol

[solid kite]

She is? Goddamn

[glossy granite]

Why did i had to miss Musashi man, i am so cooked

[fair nimbus]

Uh so do i replace musashi?

[atomic abyss]

No?

[noble tulip]

Musashi isn't exactly that broken anymore compared to the newer UR BB's, missing out on her is not a big deal

[atomic abyss]

Do you not have a second fleet?

[fair nimbus]

I already have enough to buy another bulin

[atomic abyss]

Completely untrue

[fair nimbus]

I do but its kind of...

[atomic abyss]

She is still the best mobbing BB for w15 lol

[elfin hollow]

W13 fleet help?

[atomic abyss]

Rafaello is a strong contender, but Musashi still remains top

[noble tulip]

Completely true, Alsace/Soyuz/BisZwei are better than her on the majority of meta fights and raffaello keeps up with her in mobbing

[atomic abyss]

Then that's the priority to fix
Not replacing ships

[glossy granite]

When will musashi be permament? Cuz i cant cope at all with missing her out lol

[fair nimbus]

Alr

[solid kite]

Also does anyone preffer flag from vang soyuz raff in an opsi bb fleet?

[atomic abyss]

The thing is meta showdowns aren't the entire game

And Musashi is still noticeably better than Rafaello in mobbing

Only 15-1 in particular has Rafaello outperform Musashi

[atomic abyss]

Soyuz, especially if you're using Plymouth. Rest are weaker DPS wise

[noble tulip]

If you're having that many problems in w15 that you can only clear with Musashi then I think the issues lie elsewhere

[atomic abyss]

If you're having that many problems with meta showdowns that you need the best triple UR BB comp then I think the issue lies elsewhere

Please try to bring a strong argument to the table

[glossy granite]

What main setup would Raffaelo go well in for w15 mobbing? Aquila unicorn?

[atomic abyss]

The same as what Musashi would use
Unicorn and Aquila yes

[noble tulip]

Because meta showdowns, for the most part actually need you to bring your best possible setups (especially the newer ones) whereas w15 can be cleared by any competent UR BB

[river junco]

Does +13 buff apply to meta showdown or is it not considered part of opsi?

[glossy granite]

I have yet to still get Aquila damn

[atomic abyss]

Only the stat bonuses do
Not the opsi bonus

[atomic abyss]

Volga and Zuihou work fine

[glossy granite]

Yea, i dont have either

[atomic abyss]

Uh, no?
Unless your aim is to 1 shot?
And even then BB comps are already worse in most cases

1 shotting is pure flex

[glossy granite]

Ik aquila is in perma pool but dang she just wont come home

[atomic abyss]

Wishing well is due to come in the next few months, so keep a look out then

[whole crypt]

wait for WW should have one with CN anniv

I need to pull one myself

[fast frigate]

is le mallin good

[atomic abyss]

The point is that saying Musashi is worse than the other UR BBs just because she doesn't shine in meta showdowns and because "any good UR BB can clear w15" is a very silly argument to make

[whole crypt]

not bad

[glossy granite]

Sorry for having dementia but after Implac do i MLB Fritz or Z52?

[noble tulip]

I didn't say she was "worse" I said she wasn't mandatory anymore and thus missing out on her isn't a big deal

[atomic abyss]

Neither is missing out on any of the UR BBs lol

[whole crypt]

missing out on Musashi was never that big a deal

[atomic abyss]

Probably Fritz
But impossible to say without looking at the dock

[elfin hollow]

can anyone help me build a fleet for W13? i made a thread

[noble tulip]

I literally just answered the guy that said that he felt like missing out on musashi was a big deal #gameplay-help message

[whole crypt]

like missing any single UR is never that big a deal unless you have something specific in mind where the ship really excels over other ships

[glossy granite]

From a dock perspective would Z52 prob make the most sense

[whole crypt]

well Musashi is strong, naturally people will feel behind for missing her, but the same goes for basically any UR

[atomic abyss]

^

[atomic abyss]

Someone forget what they said in the first part of the sentence

[forest palm]

she gets relegated to mob in the end the more UR BBs you have

[whole crypt]

Musashi just kind of gets pushed more because she's very good for braindead mobbing in late game

[forest palm]

on top of her HE damage being shite

[noble tulip]

not being that broken anymore doesn't mean she's shit

it just means that there are other options available to us (ie alsace/biszwei/soyuz/raf)

[boreal wagon]

which directly implies "worse" which is what you said you didnt do

[noble tulip]

Holy gaslighting

[atomic abyss]

That's not gaslighting
That's just your poor choice of words

[noble tulip]

if something was at 100 back then and you only had 80 options, obviously said 100 was broken, now we have multiple 100 options thus "she's not that broken anymore"

That's all i'm trying to say

that doesn't mean that musashi is suddenly a 90 or something

[boreal wagon]

"Musashi isn't exactly that broken anymore compared to the newer UR BB's [...]"

"Completely true, Alsace/Soyuz/BisZwei are better than her [...]"
both of these directly imply she is worse
you said that is not what you claimed

if that it not what you meant phrase it better

[noble tulip]

maybe finish the second answer instead of adding ... ? "are better than her on the majority of meta fights and raffaello keeps up with her in mobbing
"

[boreal wagon]

even with the second part it still implies she is worse

[noble tulip]

I give up, you're just debating in bad faith

[forest palm]

can you move this shit show elsewhere

[wind hazel]

no

we need our weekend gph drama

[foggy chasm]

pr7 has no fs?

[tame jungle]

correct

[foggy chasm]

why?

[tame jungle]

because they did not add it

[whole crypt]

yet

[tame jungle]

it's not added until after a significant while

[forest palm]

Agir, DR5, DR6, and PR7(all) do not have FS

[foggy chasm]

isee

[whole crypt]

research ships do not launch with their fate sims, they are later additions usually around time of the next series for PRs, and whenever the devs feel like it for DRs

[foggy chasm]

hmm

[reef flume]

Tldr; just use carriers
Ez

[forest palm]

[vital meadow]

Anyone got a one shot comp for hornet meta?

[eager mulch]

[noble tulip]

how many la9's do you have

[patent pivot]

This contains all of the comps I've run tests for. In there is a high kill rate helena and helenaless comp but ya gotta keep in mind oaths and geae and shit when trying to copy

[vital meadow]

2

[plain saffron]

73.05mb
are you sure that's not virus

[noble tulip]

90 pages

[obsidian ivy]

The brequets are just used for timing?

[noble tulip]

timing mostly, interception helps a bit too

[dreamy blade]

they are basically poverty wyverns

[obsidian ivy]

Feels kinda odd to see breqs used in a meta fight but what do I know ig

[noble tulip]

They're only used for 4 airstrikes setups

[bleak parcel]

Hello, which of Implacable's skills should I upgrade first?

[patent pivot]

Don't make me send the png

[rapid grail]

i can vouch for the pdfs, im one of the guys that requested testing from. they are safe

[sharp socket]

90 pages

can i get a tldr of this its actually needed

[inland shoal]

The one that makes her stun 100%, but you usually just level all skills anyway when seriously using the ship

[rapid grail]

tl;dr is on last page, well if you want the comps you'll have to download and look it up on either a renhex fleetbuilder link or embed into the pdf itself (recent development)

also what armor is this month arbiter atm? i think i can deal with it now on the jp alt

[stark quiver]

Heavy

[rapid grail]

Okay I can start gaming

[hoary relic]

Which is better to use in case i dont have mk7 406mm, mk6 406mm or 406mm sk c/34 ?

[pulsar hornet]

What's Napoli's niche. Wondering if she has the damage for stuff. She seems tanky enough

[patent pivot]

most of the 90 pages is damage timelines, most people only care about 1 or lke 15 of them depending

[wind hazel]

which bb

but honestly can't go wrong with either

[turbid dawn]

Is it possible to 1 shot this meta boss without Helena? I can only do about 93% of her hp

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[turbid dawn]

Basically just run Unzen isntead of Kaza?

[cobalt rapids]

basically yea
#gameplay-help message u can find gears here

[worldly pewter]

that fritz damage is kinda

[cobalt rapids]

what part

[upbeat wagon]

Should I be using mail oil for regular xp grinding, or should it stay there for emergencies and whatnot

[cobalt rapids]

up to u

[jaunty vault]

its good to have some oil stocked up

[upbeat wagon]

How much should i keep? I have around 20k in mail right now

[wind hazel]

you can have 0 and be fine

[turbid dawn]

Well I gave Unzen a try with the last attempt and it it 98%, is Kaza AA better then Unzen or something? Since I noticed with the fight that both CVs were getting revealed when this wasnt an issue before

[fast frigate]

what is suggested level for my ships to clear b1,2,3 stage in the event

[jaunty vault]

thats upto you, i have way too much oil saved up and i barely use it

[shell willow]

fight is random asf, my cvs got revealed once even with z52 ply sandy

[jaunty vault]

B3 boss is 58 so around 60 should be fine, more is always good, less could work if you have good gear

b1/2 should be significantly easier

[fast frigate]

ty

[hybrid pelican]

How does someone make implacable slower than yorktown II? for some reason, implacable is just so fast

[hollow gust]

yorktown is also pretty fast

[frank pulsar]

no niche afaik, but she is one of our tankiest tanks

[hollow gust]

napoli is the tankiest tank and thats about it

[smoky escarp]

guy, which ship should i max out first, Fritz rumey or amagi CV

[hybrid pelican]

is she tankier than brest?

[smoky escarp]

like which one is worth it

[hollow gust]

who else do you have

[hollow gust]

very notticably tankier

[hybrid pelican]

damn, didnt know she was the tankiest of them all, who is second place tho?

[hollow gust]

dan navigating this takes a while, can you not hyperlink to certain pages?

agir is generally 2nd but she suffers these days from all the plane and torp spam

[patent pivot]

to make a complicated answser simple, no

[hollow gust]

also that yorktown 2 in cha 2- fleet 2 doesnt get her buff lol

[frank pulsar]

simple answer is agir
long answer is it depends, napoli isnt always the tankiest to begin with

[patent pivot]

🤷 i dont design the tests, i just run them

[hollow gust]

have you bothered with pure bb fleet yet>

[patent pivot]

everything ive been told to run is in that sheet

[lament ledge]

i might replace unicorn with perseus

[hollow gust]

If you like direct downgrades hf

[upbeat wagon]

Are DR/PR coin ups shared? Is agir's coin up starting at 3k normal? I coined up just FdG before that

[eager mulch]

no

pr/dr coining is split between each other

but shared amongst other prs/drs

[upbeat wagon]

Ah, alright

[eager mulch]

so coining agir is shared with FdG coining but not izumo coining

[upbeat wagon]

So what should I do than, first max up FdG and fate sim her and than Agir?

[wind hazel]

whichever you need more

[eager mulch]

need to be loved

[upbeat wagon]

I have portland and roon for tanks in w12 and w13 probably

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/649194756982964224.webp?size=56

[upbeat wagon]

Are they enough?

[wind hazel]

get more tanks

[upbeat wagon]

Does Z52 count

[wind hazel]

kinda

you want more for opsi usually. port and roon suffice for w12 ish

[upbeat wagon]

Port should mob and roon should boss right?

[wind hazel]

why not pick anchorage

[upbeat wagon]

No tech points

[wind hazel]

get it

so that you can work on FDG and Anchorage at the same time

unless you have stacked bb

[upbeat wagon]

Well I was coining AvP up but shes kinda redundant now that I have implac

Should I continue coining her to max until i have another pr ship

[wind hazel]

if you dont have other pr ship might as well

[hollow gust]

finish coing avp,

[wind hazel]

you can do 2 cv fleet too

[kind slate]

What should I mlb first? I can get 6 more ur bulins rn

[hollow gust]

how do you have shima nj and kron before nano??

[upbeat wagon]

I was pushing for RN tech points for plymouth, was researching monarch

[kind slate]

I have shinano. Just not shown

[wind hazel]

either implacable fritz or raf implacable

[hollow gust]

what other URs arent shown

[kind slate]

If this helps this is everyone

[upbeat wagon]

But I cant research anything eagle right now anyways

[wind hazel]

implacable fritz 🏃🏼‍♀️

[hollow gust]

implacable fritz and then save

raffy in the future but theres no rush

[kind slate]

Ik impla is good for bosses and movement stop but what’s fritz good for?

[worldly pewter]

depends on what u want to do
raff if u want to push campaign

[kind slate]

Whose raff

[upbeat wagon]

Is raff better than sushi for mobbing?

[worldly pewter]

depends

[kind slate]

Oh raffaelo im stupid

[wind hazel]

strong light and medium damage, good in campaign

[hollow gust]

fritz has a fuck ton of damage for both campaign and med/light

[hollow gust]

they have alsace and soyuz already

[kind slate]

I can completely replace Avp with impla right?

[worldly pewter]

i indeed used both to clear w15

[hollow gust]

you wont fully replace avp until you grab more slows

[normal cedar]

how much is the ectl tier list to be trusted? especially the lower tiers 5 and N, I was told their guide was outdated a few days ago here but idk about the tier list...

[hollow gust]

tierlist is close enough to reality

[kind slate]

Kk thnx guys. I’ll do fritz and impla then wait then

[hollow gust]

raffy is a better campaign ship the soyuz and alsace but you dont "need" her

[kind slate]

Would any of these recommendations change once I get nahimov built?

[clear harbor]

Is Royal Oak, Victorious, or Argus potentially any good?

[hollow gust]

no, shit , eh

[polar lion]

Does ghost gun has the same eff as the same slot it came from?

[sweet delta]

You can trust it for campaign up to chapter 13

[polar lion]

How to know how much efficiency of Shimanto ghost AA gun?

[solar canopy]

Please explain about this Fritz Rumey skill

[sweet delta]

Explain what

Do damage, slow 30% after hitting

[hollow gust]

launch planes > launch barrage > procs a shittyy slow

[sweet delta]

Guess that it's 100%

[polar lion]

What about z52?

[hollow gust]

its almost always 100% if im not mistaken

[polar lion]

Okay

[solar canopy]

What about the 60% slow? It says "Pulling Effect"

I don't really understand what effect that is

[viscid swift]

Zwei's black hole effect

[hollow gust]

2 ships with pulling effect, bismarck zwei and charybis

but you will very very unlikely be able to take advantage of it

[sweet delta]

It's been 4 months and she's already forgotten

[hollow gust]

wait theres another ? lol

[solar canopy]

Hmmm okay I understand now. Thanks for the information.

[hollow gust]

only reason you remember chary is cause of how garbage she is

[eternal moth]

Is Nakh or Fritz supposed to do more damage in META?

[hollow gust]

mines trade

[boreal wagon]

lala's vacuum counts for fritz

[plain saffron]

ghost gun is it's own slot, so i don't really understand wdym by slot it came from. or did i misunderstand the question
iirc the "slot" doesn't have coeff, or it's 100%. the AA gun have eff

[solar canopy]

Hoo okay

[harsh gust]

so i don't really understand wdym by slot it came from
they prolly asking if it's 'ghost aux gun' whether it'll have same efficiency as an actual aux gun

[plain saffron]

yeah it's just 100% for the slot

wait no i read wrong one

yeah it is 100%

wait are the AA gun from skill i forgot

[boreal wagon]

they are but they should still be 100%

[plain saffron]

does equip from skill have index

[boreal wagon]

only if they specify it iirc

but it probably assigns some default idr

[plain saffron]

i guess for AA gun it added directly to the fleet instead of ship? so index not important

[boreal wagon]

its also added to the unit but only as a weapon (which is how it gets added to the fleet)

[plain saffron]

when will someone rename all the var_ so it's easier to read

[elfin hollow]

Can someone help me what should I do to pass C2 hard?

[eternal moth]

Tank with Khron for one.

Wait, that Khron isn't even MLB.

Seriously, you REALLY need to limit break the ships you're going to use. You lose so much power not doing so

[honest sequoia]

Is this comission worth doing for exp wise

[weary gust]

Your positions are all mixed up. BB should be flagship, tank should be front. You have the tanks in back and BBs on the sides. Ships need to be MLB and your gear probably needs to be looked at too.

[eternal moth]

Use this option to move ships around

[worldly pewter]

tbh level and ship wise can destroy c2 easily

[eternal moth]

Yeah, but not without limit broken ships.

And no retrofits either

[worldly pewter]

he fell into spreading the bulins most likely

[sweet delta]

Not a single retrofit in sight

[eternal moth]

Use the bulin you've leveled to MLB Enterprise. Do you have any other bulins?

[sweet delta]

Better dump kron completely lest he think she should be bulined

[upbeat wagon]

Is scylla worth investing in, is it a good ship

[whole crypt]

is there an auto comp for this EX

[jaunty vault]

did you not clear in og run

[whole crypt]

not for my main acc

I can't be bothered to manual it on sub

[jaunty vault]

[whole crypt]

for my main acc I made my own vid for it even

[eternal moth]

I didn't

So, anyone have a fleet for it, or at least suggestions?

[eager mulch]

not brute forceable with rainbow?

[boreal wagon]

its an old ex so it still melts your vg probably

[hollow gust]

Yeah you have to learn to dodge like the good ode days

[whole crypt]

guess I'm skipping the chips then

[cobalt rapids]

Stig has an auto comp, check it out

[whole crypt]

does it involve eldridge

[cobalt rapids]

Ye

[whole crypt]

skip it is then

[sweet delta]

Who's Stig, I only know 🍣

[whole crypt]

for that matter I don't have stig's yt bookmarked either, not that I have eldridge retrofit on sub

[sweet delta]

I miss the 1x1 EX hitbox already

[whole crypt]

sub account unavoidably has to miss anything that releases on EN anniv

[sweet delta]

Why don't you have a second sub

[whole crypt]

I used to

at one point I was playing 4 accounts on anniversaries

but then PGS bind happened to JP and I lost my first sub acc and I just gave up bothering with that second set of accounts

[sweet delta]

Don't you have like 20 servers to choose from

[whole crypt]

well I decided it was easier to play 1 less account 4 months each year than play that account the whole year and another 2 more for 4 weeks each year

[sweet delta]

Maybe we are thinking about different things after all

Rally request?

[whole crypt]

yeh

well my first sub started as a rally

[sweet delta]

Isn't that just log in, autosearch 1-4 hard 3 times, collect, log out?

[whole crypt]

then I continued to play it full time... until I need rally for that too

after losing the second account I just dialed back to play 1 full time and 1 most of the time and just staying off for rallies

[elfin hollow]

What bulins

[sweet delta]

[elfin hollow]

I just got it but I don't know who to send it to

[elfin hollow]

I need to think about who to use it for

[weary gust]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/460645783021289472/1353401565838573710

[elfin hollow]

Enterprise Well, I would have to. I think I have 6 bulin

[honest stirrup]

6 gold bulins?

[worldly pewter]

next time when u ask for help stick around for a bit to get the answer

[honest stirrup]

Immediately spend the bulins on Enterprise and Ryuuhou
Not only they're immediately better, but they'll also stop getting stuck at level 90

[honest stirrup]

Also please, for the sake of Helena and your crippled ships, check this tab when available on a ship

[elfin hollow]

First I ventured into unicorn, I was planning on helene

[elfin hollow]

Yes

Because I'm waiting behind the medal shop (I still have 10 days)

[atomic abyss]

unicorn is more important tho yes

helena retro is low priority

[elfin hollow]

All the rare ones are retiring

Apart from yamashiro

[eternal basalt]

Feed your cat Heck the double, bulins etc. Why retire anything at all???

[elfin hollow]

I thought well here

[honest stirrup]

I think you're severely underestimating how important limit break is

[weary gust]

Don't retire Portland.

[elfin hollow]

One is probably needed in these newcomer tasks

[elfin hollow]

He is neglecting

[honest stirrup]

y yo talking about yourself at third person

[eternal basalt]

Have fun never having the requirement for PR2+

[weary gust]

There's a language barrier here too. He's using a translation tool.

[elfin hollow]

My english he weak

[eternal basalt]

Also, stop leveling your bulin... they are food, not for fight.

[elfin hollow]

I think the equipment is decent

[elfin hollow]

I'm just going to do a limit break enterprise

[elfin hollow]

What?

[atomic abyss]

it's not even passable for poverty...

this is (one of the reasons) why you dont bother with 2 fleets early on

[elfin hollow]

I don't know what this is about, but okay.

[atomic abyss]

your gear is not decent, it's bad

[elfin hollow]

What can I do, I can't defeat enemies in Operation Siren yet. Two cash will be gone when I do research academy

[atomic abyss]

you open tech boxes, and focus what gear you do get on a SINGLE fleet

[sweet delta]

Ignore operation siren, it's terribly inefficient when you don't have even one level 100 MLB fleet with decent gear

[atomic abyss]

focus levelling and gearing your fleet of

Nelson, Enterprise, Unicorn, Portland, Laffey, Helena
ignore all other ships

gear comes from tech boxes for you

[elfin hollow]

Laffey and Portland ignores

[atomic abyss]

no, invest in them

[elfin hollow]

Laffey yet, but not in Portland

[soft raft]

Portland yes
She is your best tank early game

[sweet delta]

He has a level 90 takao

[atomic abyss]

takao over portland for now

[eternal basalt]

Not LMB

[elfin hollow]

I have better ones than Portland

[elfin hollow]

What?

[atomic abyss]

you do not

portland is one of the best early game tanks

baltimore is way frailer

and takao only gets better than portland at tanking close to level 120

[weary gust]

He's got 6 SR bulins. He can mlb Takao. Nelson Enty Unicorn Takao Laffey Helena is his best setup.

[atomic abyss]

rarity does not mean quality

[tame jungle]

don't fall for the "gold=good" trap

[weary gust]

Gear nees to be consolidated too. Drop the second fleet, move all the upgraded gears off them onto the single fleet.

His first fleet's gear isn't awful just unupgraded. Second fleet has some bad gears and some okay ones.

[elfin hollow]

I prefer to distribute the equipment evenly

[tame jungle]

and we're telling you that that's a really bad idea

[elfin hollow]

The second fleet is used for bosses or to make 10 defeated enemies

[weary gust]

Your second fleet is useless

[viscid swift]

you know you can fight without ammo right?

[elfin hollow]

I know, but I'd rather repeat it only twice

[sweet delta]

[weary gust]

What you've been doing hasn't been working, that's why you came here.

[elfin hollow]

Not three times

[weary gust]

We're telling you that what you're doing isn't working too.

[viscid swift]

what

[weary gust]

So why are you insisting on continuing what you have been doing when it isn't working.

[tame jungle]

if you're not going to listen, people are not going to want to help you anymore

[stark quiver]

Sup

[sweet delta]

This seems to be different from 11-3

[weary gust]

At this point you've built yourself into a bad position. You've spread out your resources in a way that doesn't help you and can't be salvaged immediately. You have invested in ships that will not be helpful to you for a long time. You need to stop and change course, not continue down the same path you've been going.

Your best course of action is to consolidate what ships and resources you can into one functional fleet.

[atomic abyss]

we would not be saying this if you had no issue clearing content

[elfin hollow]

Now, I see. As for investing in ships, I've wasted resources many times to invest in, for example, Giosue, Huan chang, yamashiro meta, hanazuki. So I'm going to move the better equipment to fleet 1. I'll leave the ships, the enterprise will stay in the second fleet, I don't know who to invest in what at the moment because I've spent money on Laffey, Colorado, Helena, unicorn. I also don't know what equipment and what how.

[atomic abyss]

Firstly, ignore second fleet

Throw the best of everything into first fleet

level that first fleet

your problems will be mostly solved

[weary gust]

Nelson, Enterprise, Unicorn, Takao, Laffey, Helena. That is your fleet to use. MLB Enterprise and Takao as soon as you can. Retrofit Unicorn as soon as you can. Retrofit Helena when you can. Any gear that isn't upgraded, try to replace with something that is from the ships that were in your second fleet.

[atomic abyss]

as for the rest, too bad, the resources have been wasted

hanazuki, huang chang, and colo can be used for the future i suppose
but not now

[digital raven]

I heard FtG is good, but what if I wana try to get Kearsage or someone else

Is that viable or smthn

[atomic abyss]

kears will be useless for 5 months at least for a new player

fdg can be maxed in 2 months

[cobalt rapids]

nelson rf before helena

[atomic abyss]

so no, getting kearsage in particular is not viable for new players

@digital raven

[digital raven]

Oki thanks

Hey, im new to this and research seems overwhelming, how do i start getting FtG?

[elfin hollow]

Enterprise has a limit break

[atomic abyss]

you want full limit break, not just 1

[weary gust]

There was only one left to do. I think he meant to say he did that last one.

[forest palm]

finish Unicorn immediately

[sweet delta]

@viscid swift time to update your MLB copy paste with retrofit

[elfin hollow]

I miss aircraft carriers bluepaint

[forest palm]

ok, and out of all of those Unicorn is the one that matters most

[atomic abyss]

select PR2, select friederic de grosse, unlock her
then the process begins
there are like, 6 steps you have to complete to unlock her

[viscid swift]

sigh

[digital raven]

Yeah any tips i might need to know to help do those steps? Strats for the exp grind and all?

Also where can I grind gold, i need for my retrofit..

[elfin hollow]

I made a end limit break in enterprise

[atomic abyss]

during events, use 3 german backliners to grind exp
outside events, use 3 german backliners to grind exp in w12
coins come from grinding

[digital raven]

Does it matter what type of german ships i use? Like rarity and all for exp gain?

[atomic abyss]

they need to be backline ones for friederich
rarity does not matter

[digital raven]

Alright2

Is there any specific place I can go to, to find more gold?

[weary gust]

Oil cap worlds.

[atomic abyss]

outside events, w12

[digital raven]

Ive been hearing the term oil cap, can I ask to expand on what that actually means

[atomic abyss]

/oilcap

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[atomic abyss]

fleet 1 is fine, dont use fleet 2 at all

[bold surge]

I doubt Janus tanks more than Baltimore

[sweet delta]

Not even for 1 mob?

[weary gust]

Move Takao to the front into the tank position.

[elfin hollow]

Why shouldn't I use it?

[atomic abyss]

because it's a bad fleet

and will likely sink

it is better at this point of the game to heavily invest into 1 fleet

[bold surge]

Early game is all about level, limit break and gear

[elfin hollow]

Aha, so I will be repeating the missions several times

[atomic abyss]

you would need to even if you were using 2 fleets

outside of new events (which this is not), almost all maps require multiple attempts to clear

[honest stirrup]

Even outside of 100% clearing, leveling up ships rarely comes without repeating the same levels for exp

[full drum]

is Enterprise worth? the carrier?

[bold surge]

yes

[atomic abyss]

extremely worth

[bold surge]

but depends on what you want her to do

[atomic abyss]

the best non rainbow carrier basically (that's not for healing)

[full drum]

remove long island for enterprise?

[elfin hollow]

That's why I use two

[sweet delta]

What

[elfin hollow]

Long island

[atomic abyss]

yes

[atomic abyss]

and it doesnt make a difference if you use 2 fleets or 1 lol
you do know you dont need to clear all enemies on the map more than once, right?

[elfin hollow]

I know about it, I don't even do that to me

[atomic abyss]

then why do you need 2 fleets?

1 fleet can clear the map itself

[crisp geode]

Event ends on the 26th? Or its just the free tix

[atomic abyss]

26th is last day of event, and the last day you can use the tix

[crisp geode]

I already used them all

About the event shop, i already got the tickets, airplane, gold boxes, coin and oil. I still have 10k points (8k saved for Oak), what else i should get asap? Blueprints and?

[worldly pewter]

15 months into the game and i can't focus to get kear yet

[worldly pewter]

use this on enterprise https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Curtiss_SB2C_Helldiver#tabber-tabpanel-Type_3-0

[weary gust]

Kear is really niche tbh. Basically required to have yk2, and to be facing light armor boss (the least common type).

[atomic abyss]

pretty much

there's no alternative for yk2 besides enty, who is a far cry

[atomic abyss]

btd destroyer is worse than sb2c helldiver

enterprise would benefit from auxiliary gear that gives her aviation stat

not FP, when she has no guns to begin with

[worldly pewter]

i have no idea where the +6 went but in ur depot there is a +3

i think he only has 1 spare on ryuuhou

[sweet delta]

kear + enty + hornetmeta

[jaunty vault]

emoji_36

[sweet delta]

yea everyone gets a free +6 helldiver from clearing 4-4

[worldly pewter]

it was on the 0lb implacable

[elfin hollow]

Well

[full drum]

good or useless?

[novel condor]

Very good esp for bossing

[atomic abyss]

UR so automatically very good
she is extremely good even amongst URs

[elfin hollow]

I don't think I have any better ones

[worldly pewter]

calling ur useless is kinda

[atomic abyss]

needless to say, as with any UR, she is useless if not max limit broken

[vocal sand]

what is raffaelo equip? she is good right

[atomic abyss]

rafaello uses the standard BB gear

[atomic abyss]

standard BB gear
so mk6/457/champy, plygun/155kai, UR 76/STAAG, white shell, black shell/afct/hpfcr

[elfin hollow]

Maybe one day I will have it when I want to use two fleets

[worldly pewter]

move the aviation tank from ryuuhou to enterprise

[full drum]

@atomic abyss where i place her what i replace?

[atomic abyss]

nowhere, looking at your fleet

you probably cannot max limit break her

so you're replacing no one

if anything

[vocal sand]

what augment

[atomic abyss]

i have to ask, why are you using eugen

[atomic abyss]

sword almost always for any BB really

[full drum]

my level is 30 is a boost or ?

[atomic abyss]

what

[worldly pewter]

move the aviation tank from ryuuhou to enterprise and the sb2c helldiver from implacable to enterprise
the second auxiliary slot for enterprise will remain empty for the time being until you get something that increases the avi stat

[full drum]

going for implaceable?

[atomic abyss]

i dont understand your question

what i said, was that
implacable would not be used in your team currently
because you would not have the things needed to max limit break her

[full drum]

im low level is it not a huge boost?

[atomic abyss]

no

it is quite the opposite

it will drag you down if anything

[elfin hollow]

Thanks, if anything I'll go play with someone

[atomic abyss]

unnecessary oil expenditure, unnecessary coin expenditure, for a minimal increase in performance, especially from enterprise

[sweet delta]

for a decrease in performance

[elfin hollow]

guys is 12-4 the best for grinding coins? or are there any higher? i'm currently at 13-3

[atomic abyss]

you can likely limit break enterprise twice, since gold bulins are more readily available

[sweet delta]

13-4 and 14-4 are better, but they give much less ship exp.
you can live in 12 for your whole life

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur prios
w12-4 is the best for grinding coins for a long time because u can also lvl a full fleet while doing that

[atomic abyss]

13-4 is more efficient coin wise, but at the cost of you being unable to grind a random fleet for exp

[elfin hollow]

oh shit okay

[worldly pewter]

best stage all rounder which is why u don't want to min max any specific gain over the other especially early game

[full drum]

@atomic abyss and UR needs UR bulins?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[elfin hollow]

@atomic abyss btw the mob fleet you recc me is taking no dmg is that normal?

[atomic abyss]

unless you're telling me you already have a combination of 4 implacable duplicate and UR bulins

[atomic abyss]

i did say it was overkill...

you can probably clear all the way to 15 even with the right gear and comp

[bold surge]

Those fleets should bring you pretty far

[elfin hollow]

like with the mob fleet you gave me?

[atomic abyss]

nope

[worldly pewter]

sounds like someone who postponed campaign push very much

[bold surge]

in w14 you are gonna need good DD's and ASW's but that is about it

[sick mango]

Hey! New player here, just downloaded pretty much

[atomic abyss]

w14 and w15 need you to have 1 BB in the mob fleet, you have none
so it wont work

[soft raft]

give this a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[sick mango]

is there some kind of guide I could follow? What to pull and such?

[sick mango]

thanks!

[elfin hollow]

is musashi good enough?

[sweet delta]

the best

[atomic abyss]

the best, but the comp will need tweaking

[elfin hollow]

i don't think i can max the new ur bb before i get to w14 and 15

[atomic abyss]

your comp will not work for w14 and w15 directly

even if you throw musashi in

[bold surge]

Independence will probably not work either

[vocal sand]

can raffaello be offflag

[atomic abyss]

for what purpose

[elfin hollow]

oh i need the dd with the torchlight or something right from eagle?

[atomic abyss]

one of the best choices actually... just not for mob

[stark quiver]

yes

[atomic abyss]

no, you do not need bristol at all

your comp which i built is explicitly for w13

[elfin hollow]

ooooh

[atomic abyss]

i did not build you a w14/w15 comp

[elfin hollow]

okay okay i might trouble you again for w14😔🙏

[atomic abyss]

if that was the intention, you would have a different team

[soft raft]

/w15 You can give this a read too

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[bold surge]

w14 introduces fog/night battles which require a lot of changes

[atomic abyss]

w15 comps can work for w14 and w13

but i did not build your comp like that so

generally, you will have a smoother experience with 3x CV for w13 mob, rather than 1 BB 2 CV, which is what you'd use in w14/15

you would likely have used musashi unicorn aquila for mob instead

[elfin hollow]

is the 3cv just for air supremacy for w13?

[atomic abyss]

yes, and also because no suicide boats to kill

[bold surge]

air supremacy and AA

[atomic abyss]

14 and 15 have suicide boats so, yeah that doesnt work

[elfin hollow]

oh okay i didnt' know aa contributed to air supremacy

[cobalt rapids]

its because theres alot of planes and no suicide botes and cvs(some) are rly good at dealing with planes planes but that doesnt mean u need to lock in 3cv if u have to take saratoga over musashi

[atomic abyss]

he's using impla, indep, uni
which is brutal overkill lol

[bold surge]

I meant that a CV has fighters that can intercept enemy planes. A BB doesnt have those.

[elfin hollow]

is it really that over kill?

[atomic abyss]

absolutely

[crisp geode]

I already got the gold black shell from shop and got one purple white shell from box. Can i skip the gold white shell and go for Implacable for now?

[tame jungle]

implacable is not for core data

[vale spindle]

how are they correlated...

[atomic abyss]

that doesnt make any sense
implacable doesnt use core data

[tame jungle]

assuming you mean independence
no

[crisp geode]

Yeah, independance

[worldly pewter]

get 2 white shells and ignore the second black shell if u want to get independence asap i think

[elfin hollow]

i just got to 13-4 is taihou a hard boss?

[bold surge]

Kinda

[atomic abyss]

harder than the rest of 13, noticeably so
but your fleet shd have 0 issue

[crisp geode]

I see Implacable's skin on my home screen and my brain goes smooth as silk

[bold surge]

Just focus the command carrier and repair ship and Taihou should die

[vale spindle]

unless you think she is wife you don't need to get her this early, can wait a bit more

[elfin hollow]

alrighty tyty

[atomic abyss]

if you are that worried, you could swap bis 2 in the boss for musashi lel

[elfin hollow]

uh i'm playing it on auto should i do manual?

[vale spindle]

only if you are dying

[atomic abyss]

but i do think it is completely unnecessary

no

[bold surge]

lol

[atomic abyss]

your boss fleet is quite overkill

[crisp geode]

Oh shit, Mr. Samheart. Thx for your guide, it helped a lot

[vale spindle]

just try auto and if you are dying switch to manual it's that simple

[atomic abyss]

bis 2, nano, haku, azuma, sandy, laff2

[vale spindle]

you can exit the battle before you die to reset it at minimal cost (6 oil)

[atomic abyss]

that is also overkill

[sweet delta]

i mean full level 120 URs in chapter 13 what did you expect

[bold surge]

Keep an eye on your ships health. If things go south, restart the battle and go manual.

[atomic abyss]

the only way it'll be more overkill is swapping in musashi and replacing azuma for guam
(dont do the latter, cos then your mob wont have AA)

[elfin hollow]

i don't really have all of them at 120 laffey2 and unzen is 115 but it should be fine right

[atomic abyss]

for w13 normal yes

for w13-4 hard no

[elfin hollow]

any notable drops from 13-4?

[atomic abyss]

/wiki bunker

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bunker_Hill
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bunker_Hill/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bunker_Hill/Gallery

Mar 23, 2025, 7:38 PM

[cobalt rapids]

bunker

[bold surge]

I remember using Musashi 460 and AA radar Unzen in w15. Different times...

[atomic abyss]

SR drop USS Bunker Hill

[sweet delta]

/wiki dewey

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dewey
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dewey/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dewey/Gallery

Mar 23, 2025, 7:38 PM

[cobalt rapids]

shes notably 2 avi

[elfin hollow]

oooh essex class

[worldly pewter]

2 avi tech

[weary gust]

Fun fact: Dewey is 10x harder to get than Bunker Hill

[sweet delta]

great minds think alike ||?||

[atomic abyss]

you guys just want UR AA radar huh

[elfin hollow]

doesn't she need shells? and where do you get that secondary gun? lab? or event?

[bold surge]

Ah yes the AA radars. I remember those. I only used 1 though.

[atomic abyss]

gear lab, twin 100 kai, the actually good twin 100

[sweet delta]

for any new player lurkers, please do not copy this loadout for musashi

[atomic abyss]

not the 25 or so gold twin 100 you had

[bold surge]

Above build is only for giga chad meta deniers

[elfin hollow]

oh so that's the ur one ookay

[bold surge]

UR 100mm is very good

[atomic abyss]

and that's why i told you to keep 3

[elfin hollow]

i need to farm opsi then. i don't ever touch it and just farm 12-4 everyday

[atomic abyss]

farm opsi when your fleet runs out of morale from 12-4 basically

[elfin hollow]

usually i do 6 runs with the book thing and then log off

and now i have like 24k oil with like 40k oil in mail. so i wanna asap clear 13 and 14

[worldly pewter]

u know the exp bonus while ur fleet is at 120+ moral right ?

[elfin hollow]

oh. that i didn't know. but i usually grind it with 120 ships so its okay?

[sweet delta]

thats even worse

[atomic abyss]

WHY

[tame jungle]

what does this have to do with anything

[elfin hollow]

i'm levelling ships up in dorm then bringing them to maps to farm

[bold surge]

6 double runs nuke morale

[tame jungle]

that's why he only does 6

[atomic abyss]

w12 can be farmed with level 90+ ships...

[worldly pewter]

help will deplete the moral under 120 in half a run

[elfin hollow]

on like the last run, my mob fleet has the warning with morale and i just swap it to boss fleet

[elfin hollow]

I DIDN'T KNOW I DON'T WANNA MAKE MY SHIPS SINK😭

[weary gust]

I do this too

[elfin hollow]

but if you use level 90+ships do you need like a 115 or higher ship to do dmg?

[worldly pewter]

let them sink and adapt sinking is just -10 moral

[cobalt rapids]

no, w12 is that easy

[atomic abyss]

nada, you just need a decent boss fleet to clear the boss

[elfin hollow]

i wanna get the medals hahaha

[upbeat wagon]

i was farming with 2 level 70 ships with crossfleets

[bold surge]

You just need good gear and maybe a healer

[atomic abyss]

i mean you can even farm with a level 1 ship
but that requries the rest of the comp to be stronger

[elfin hollow]

is unikai just a better healer than perseus?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

if u need to add a healer ure better off moving to 12-1

[upbeat wagon]

Would I have any issue during clearing w12 and w13

[atomic abyss]

12 no issue, 13 with some levels possible

[viscid swift]

W12 farming is not that difficult

[cobalt rapids]

u can minmax morale after u dont let ur oil soft cap and doing opsi

[upbeat wagon]

Would I be able to do 13 3

[cobalt rapids]

no issue

[atomic abyss]

13, maybe
with the right gear

also again, levels

[elfin hollow]

guys do you focus on getting ur ships to fs5 then moving on? cause my fdg and azuma is still like at fs3

[atomic abyss]

yes

at least if i intend to use them

[elfin hollow]

i wanna use the cat cv from pr7 but my fdg and azuma is still fs3, same as drake

[rigid onyx]

For PR ships I just got them to dev30 if all I cared about was tech before moving back

[atomic abyss]

you see

[storm heron]

[hollow gust]

you use different resources to max them

[atomic abyss]

for fdg, azuma and drake, you can use coins in place of their BPs

[viscid swift]

well seeing as you can coin all of those....

[atomic abyss]

you cannot do the same with nakhimov

[elfin hollow]

wait you can use coins? when was this put in????

[hollow gust]

oh ffs

[atomic abyss]

for the older research ships, yes

this was around for... maybe 4 years?

[bold surge]

To help people move onto the new ships

[viscid swift]

FDG and Azuma got it more than 2 years ago and Drake over a year ago

[atomic abyss]

it's just that the pool of ships you can coin increased over the years

[sweet delta]

Bro says not that difficult but brings 11 rainbow gear

[elfin hollow]

omfg i could have dev 30 so many ships

[viscid swift]

Agir and Haku got it a few months back, etc

[cobalt rapids]

give the research guide a read

[bold surge]

Agir doesnt have fs5 right?

[cobalt rapids]

she doesnt

[viscid swift]

correct

[elfin hollow]

how good is scylla?

[sweet delta]

Good

Great, even

[atomic abyss]

one of the best non UR CLs really

[elfin hollow]

well 200 pulls 3 impla and still no scylla i'm not sure if i want to waste more cubes

[sweet delta]

A ship is good if not every column is D tier in the endgame tierlist

[atomic abyss]

shit luck, i would just cut losses at that point

[sweet delta]

She's not required

[atomic abyss]

you can get her from daily light build when she gets perma added eventually

[elfin hollow]

okok

i went from 600 to 200 cubes and still no scylla

for those of ya'll at w15. when you get it to safe, do you just let it auto run?

[sweet delta]

i haven't gotten 15-4 to safe

[cobalt rapids]

yes

i have gotten 15-1 to safe

[elfin hollow]

and the level is fine for you guys?

[sweet delta]

back when i farmed 15-1, i put some level 105-110 ships in

[cobalt rapids]

for me its fine but someone with big piles of cog chips shouldnt farm in 15-1

[elfin hollow]

wait is this consider big piles?

[bold surge]

WTFFF

[cobalt rapids]

yup

[boreal wagon]

thatd be a very big pile

[sick mango]

how does one reroll?

[tame jungle]

holy shit

[rough vale]

what do y'all do w/ your excess merit points? Do you MLB ships you haven't yet?

[rigid onyx]

one does not

[bold surge]

I have like 2000 and that is the most I had in the last 4 years

[weary gust]

There are no reroll mechanics in this game. Well I guess meowfficers

[tame jungle]

don't bother

[sweet delta]

i let them stack up

[rigid onyx]

i mean you can but it's really painful

[sick mango]

but if one were to

[tame jungle]

waste of time

[sick mango]

kinda wanted to see if I'd pull the UR ship early

[elfin hollow]

i always let my ship get enough exp to the next level cap before uncapping them. and its so gold consuming

[cobalt rapids]

u can start an acc in each server and see if u get lucky

an account with implac > an acc without implac

[sick mango]

does server matter for anything besides pvp?

[bold surge]

no

[sick mango]

implac?

[tame jungle]

pvp is not a real gamemode so it doesn't matter

[cobalt rapids]

the current UR on the banner

[rough vale]

is there a use for these things aside from buying UR bulins?

[sick mango]

oh, yea, she seemed cool

[weary gust]

Retrofit items typically cost spec cores

[stark quiver]

there are infact other items in the shop

[rigid onyx]

You can buy the retrofit items, but other than that no

[elfin hollow]

any diff between large small fleet and a small large fleet?

[bold surge]

large small is a lot of DD's and CL's where small large has a couple of CA's and BB's

[iron lily]

this is only true for world 9 and up, right?

[cobalt rapids]

different icons ( fleets ) have different enemies ( some )
higher * means a harder version of that fleet ( additional waves or stuff like that )
https://azurlane.nagami.moe/nodes u can use this to check

w8+ on hardmode
and w9+ on normal mode have oilcaps yes
and some event stages
u can always check ingame if it shows this

[elfin hollow]

but like is there any difficulty change?

[cobalt rapids]

yes there is

[sweet delta]

What is large small and small large

[bold surge]

Most of the time, large fleets are harder to kill

[elfin hollow]

uh this one. i dont' know waht its called

[sweet delta]

These are small, medium, and large yes

[bold surge]

That just says how many enemies you have to fight
edit: as in larger fleets have more enemies

[elfin hollow]

oh pfft my bad

[cobalt rapids]

thats the xp based on the *

[stark quiver]

mfw i have to fight 957 enemies

[storm heron]

[bold surge]

My fleet in OpSi one day before reset and I have them burn 2k energy in one day

[elfin hollow]

oh my god the rat emote

[worldly pewter]

there are players who were playing without this ur ship for 2 years it is painful but endurable

[elfin hollow]

any chance i can get bunker before i full clear 13-4?

[bold surge]

Its possible but crazy lucky

[elfin hollow]

are there any maths on the drop rate? or is it just luck?

[bold surge]

there is math

I think it was something like 2.5%

[shell willow]

devs know the math, we only have statistics

[sweet delta]

illegally-collected data suggests it is 1.5% per sortie for campaign SR drops other than

[elfin hollow]

oh wow haku and bis2 just nuked taihou

[sick mango]

I jus tlike to reroll when I pickup gachas

try to pull at least 1 very good unit

[worldly pewter]

it is better to play the game normally
if u get the ship then good
if not then wait until it will be added to the perma banner which might take a while a little bit over a year

or under a year

[onyx chasm]

How do I get this higher?

[bold surge]

more carriers/aviation stat

[sweet delta]

add and equip carriers

[onyx chasm]

is getting implacable necessary cuz i'm going broke trying to get her

[shell willow]

shes the best stopper so id say yeah

[turbid marsh]

if you have soy + nakh built, then not THAT necessary

[elfin hollow]

formidable is a stopper too right?

[atomic abyss]

a pretty bad one

[turbid marsh]

might as well go for avp if thats your only option as of now

[elfin hollow]

@atomic abyss btw you were right taihou got nuked by my backline. that's crazy

[bold surge]

URs are just that good

[tame jungle]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[north wharf]

What's important while grinding OpSi? Just throwing myself at every Hidden zone available? Or clear everything above level 5?

[tame jungle]

clear explorable zones
remove all shiny icons
remove tornado
kill arbiter

[bold surge]

^These 4 but not in order

[elfin hollow]

how long does it usually take? cause i wanna clear this months opsi

[tame jungle]

any leftover AP goes into grinding C3 or C5 (or C1 if you are a masochist)

[north wharf]

Okay thanks

[bold surge]

from zero? id say 2 weeks

[elfin hollow]

but if i just perma do it? and like buy the ap needed?

[sweet delta]

They're Hurricanes

[tame jungle]

you

[bold surge]

If you want to clear all its gonna take maybe a full day

[hushed delta]

I thought they were maelstroms

[elfin hollow]

cause if i recall opsi doesn't take up morale right? so i just wanna rush through it

[worldly pewter]

whirlpools

[bold surge]

Make sure to buy out the shop, clear tornadoes and kill the arbiter

[elfin hollow]

that's doable ig

[hushed delta]

you can get ap boxes from daily missions and the random merchant

[north wharf]

And pray the meowfficers give you design plans?

[elfin hollow]

any point in having ur dupes?

[tame jungle]

no

unless you like to flex skins

[elfin hollow]

3 implac in my dock and no scylla sighhh

[tame jungle]

ok

[elfin hollow]

is there any way to have increased research for a certain ship?

[onyx chasm]

i dont really have soy built and i dont have nakh

[turbid marsh]

Yeah get her