gameplay-help

[forest palm]

Ops is clearable with Lv 115 ~ Lv 120 ships

saying you can't is just an excuse

actually try, and see

[worldly pewter]

depends on which ships he raised too

[forest palm]

Strongholds really don't matter when you can just zerg rush it till it's defeated

I can understand R5 ~ R6 Abyssal being difficult, and requiring more planning, but R4, and Strongholds are very easy

[silk helm]

new UR worth MLB?

[wind hazel]

maybe, depends on dock

[ivory pawn]

URs are always worth MLB, the question is do you have a UR that’s more worth to MLB currently?

[undone plover]

screenshot all your URs
easier to tell
even the MLB ones

[silk helm]

kk gimme a sec, just started a 12-1 run

i can also buy 5 UR bulins in proto

[wind hazel]

wait for implacable

[silk helm]

ty

[bright tusk]

CA when mobbing better use any SR AP main gun to hit multiple enemies or cheshire gun better because it has good modifier to all armor?

[worldly pewter]

dps ca usually use either hinden or unzen/drake guns

[keen sable]

Use good gun for enemies that exist

[vital meadow]

There is no mini game for this event?

[bright tusk]

Is hinden with aux full FP good? Like fumo + speedy sprouty botanist/dynamic cannon?

[crimson glacier]

what went through your mind when you thought thats gameplay related

[worldly pewter]

aux always depends on the vanguard pressure
low -> fp
high -> ehp

[undone plover]

also this should be better than the botanist https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/All_Work,_All_Play_Robot#Type_0-0

u only run offensive aux when u know she can survive with it tho
otherwise usual toolkit + rudder

[forest palm]

[tribal gull]

How to do this

[eager mulch]

do it again

[tribal gull]

Did, still the same

[forest palm]

if you want help you're going to have to be more descript, otherwise we're not here to hold your hand

[eager mulch]

idk anymore

[tribal gull]

Uhhh I did the mission 3-4 times but I am getting the middle star idk why

What do we hv to do to get it?

[viscid swift]

clear the specified number of non boss fleets

[ivory agate]

Why is it not allowing to do fate simulation?

[unborn saffron]

Uh when is auto open in op siren

[nimble knoll]

What gives more Xp, 11-4 or d3? (And wat is more bettah for the Oil to Xp Ratio?)

[rapid moth]

She doesn't have fate sim

[ivory agate]

Cos she is too strong already? Do I just have to wait for it to be released then

[eternal basalt]

Turn OFF clearing mode

[tame jungle]

agir doesn't have a fate sim bc the devs haven't added her fate sim

when the devs give her fate sim she will have fate sim and you will be able to do her fate sim

[worldly pewter]

how many points do u have in the milestone ?

[ivory agate]

That was my question thanks

[nimble knoll]

36k at the moment

[gentle sand]

does the skill on the aux apply to the whole fleet or is it just 1 ship that uses the aux, for example if i were to use 1 fire suppressor on 1 ship does the whole vanguard get the fire suppresor skill or no?

[worldly pewter]

then u can do either

[eternal basalt]

Said ship

[nimble knoll]

Okei

[gentle sand]

ahh okay thank you

[unborn saffron]

Anyone?

[eternal basalt]

Check the wiki

Should be near top

[tame jungle]

should be after clearing chapter 1

hidden+stronghold and strategic search after chapter 4

[unborn saffron]

Ok nice

[tribal gull]

We hv to play the mission multiple times to do that?

[viscid swift]

yes

[tribal gull]

Okay ty

[tribal gull]

is it worth it?

[viscid swift]

well you get gems from 3 starring campaign stages so yes

[worldly pewter]

aka dock slots

[spring basin]

i haven't bought it ina while but is the pass worth it ?

[ivory pawn]

If you want the skin, yes.
If you don’t care for the skin, I believe 2x gems is still better as usual.

[wary timber]

i just came back from another hiatus. the new US rainbow AA gun is better than an STAAG now ?

[stark quiver]

Yes

[wary timber]

purely for their hit stat or also for actually being able to shoot planes down tho

[stark quiver]

Both

[wary timber]

italian SAP DD gun worth building ?

[stone sluice]

If I’m grinding tech better to stay on 12-4?

[undone plover]

yes
12-4 or 12-1
if u need gold 12-4 better
if u want slightly more xp and cog chips 12-1 better

[limber oriole]

Cat? I'm thinking this was a pretty lucky roll on a cat. 3% extra damage and no throw away skills is nice.

[viscid swift]

that is one I would reroll

[keen sable]

It's good enough. You can barely get max reload

[limber oriole]

Its so far, on the surface, the best I've gotten for most other cats.

Most of them i do need to redo the talents on, but this one is only level 3. So these are unleveled starter skills

[viscid swift]

yeah, that's why it's worth rerolling, 95% of cats are not worth rerolling

[stone sluice]

I have a surplus of coins so I’m off to 12-1

[sweet delta]

99%

[limber oriole]

I thought you meant that it was bad. Unless that is what you mean.

Anyway, I have Steel who has a skill thar grants 5 luck to the whole fleet. Is that worth it for cats or should I just use steel to level the skill of another skill?

Not sure how impactful luck is.

[viscid swift]

that talent is garbage

[viscid swift]

when I say rerolling I mean rerolling their talents

that's a good set of base talents to work with and thus rerolling the talents on her until you get a good line up

[tame jungle]

rerolling talents means your cat gets reset to the talents they came with when you unboxed them

[limber oriole]

Alright. I thought I was missing some mechanic. I tend to do that as is anyway. I've been resetting a few because I hadnt had a clue of what I was doing a while back. So im used to hearing reset rather than reroll

I'll keep it in mind though, thank you

[limber oriole]

I thought so.

[sweet delta]

Mogador rainbow gun is better, and twin 128 is better for mob because it can pierce, so twin 135mm is just a permanent option for medium bosses. DD gun damage is also insignificant on most ships. I definitely wouldn't +13 it.

[sweet delta]

^

[honest sequoia]

Is 2 tenrai dive bomber 1 ryusei torp better than 2 ryusei torp and 1 tenrai/helldiver

trying to build shinano and hakuryuu for boss fleet

[stark quiver]

If it’s heavy bossing that’s not campaign
Double converging torps and one tenrai for each ship

[honest sequoia]

wait so dive bomber is not that good for single target bosses?
like meta boss ships

[viscid swift]

put it like this, if it were possible the Tenrai wouldn't be used at all for heavy armor bosses

[honest sequoia]

isnt tenrai meant for med heavy armor

[viscid swift]

it's the best DB against heavy armor but even the best DB is worse than a TB for damage against heavy armor

[twin isle]

Which is better for Alsace?

[viscid swift]

for?

[worldly pewter]

for alsace

[sweet delta]

don't spread plates

[tame jungle]

most of the time you don't gear your ships per ship, you gear your ships for the fight you're doing

[worldly pewter]

2 of the most niche BB guns in the game +11

[upbeat wagon]

is the left one good for anything?

[upbeat wagon]

for what?

[twin isle]

Tbh I am not a stat person, I am just playing the game

I am usually playing meta ship runs

I never tried EX in any event yet bc it'll need +13

[viscid swift]

no it won't

[vale spindle]

you can do the normal difficulty ex and it should be fine
its only hard that's hard

[sweet delta]

30 second battles like EX, and some 80s battles like showdown.
Med and heavy only, especially heavy

[twin isle]

I think my real problem can be against heavy armor

[vale spindle]

old events only had 1 ex difficulty but recent events in the new format have 2

[worldly pewter]

also u can put it on uvh or champy as suchi said the other day

[sweet delta]

Heavy armor EX has a real problem against torps and planes

[twin isle]

Like I can't defeat bosses over 125

[nimble cedar]

what's the most oil to event currency efficient level to farm? is hard double rewards worth it?

[sweet delta]

Maybe you should make your ships 125

[twin isle]

They are 125

Gears need more upgrade or better ones

[viscid swift]

gearing and composition issue then

[twin isle]

I didn't play OPSI much that is why I couldn't get anything from gear labs yet

[vale spindle]

3x clear on normal is fine if you can 1:1 all of those stages
otherwise d3 spam is the way
do the sp once per day of course
you can min max further if you want but personally i value my time more than the gain from min maxing more

[twin isle]

Time issues rl working etc

[nimble cedar]

that's what I've been doing. thanks for the info

[sweet delta]

B3 with a 4 or 5 oil fleet until you get Andrea Doria meta from drop.
Then it's C2 with a 5 or 6 oil fleet

[nimble cedar]

I got andrea doria twice from gacha before I even got raffaello lol

[nimble cedar]

Is there an up to date guide for building oil efficient fleets? I use the community tier list for comps but idk if that's the best

[mild sail]

How much oil is acceptable for B3 low cost

Shit

[vale spindle]

that's one of the tradeoffs
oil efficient fleets generally use lvl 70 common rarity ships without limit breaks

at this kind of low oil costing

[nimble cedar]

ah yeah I wasnt sure how you could get oil that low

I have all my ships at least level 90 haha

[vale spindle]

personally as a casual i know that if i go the low oil spend route that i will not have enough time to get all the currency i need

that's the main reason why i spam d3 instead of min maxing more

[nimble cedar]

yeah im mainly asking for general pr grinding I suppose. I'm still on pr6 cause I'm a slow grinder

because I always just spam d3 too

[vale spindle]

if you are farming exp for pr ships either of the methods work as long as there's a common rarity ship for the faction in the spot you need for the low cost method

since event exp is very mid compared to story stages

[nimble cedar]

yeah I figured it was mainly just for event currency

is the strat for pr grinding essentially common/rare ships for the faction you're grinding then? in laymans terms

what's the best story level to grind again?

[vale spindle]

only for low oil event farming
normally you use actually built and leveled ships on stages chapter 11+ in full fleets

ideally ones that are also useful so you aren't throwing exp away randomly

but once you get to a certain point it's just pick your waifu

[nimble cedar]

yeah im farming iron blood exp rn so I have a fully built fleet based on actually good ships

is 11+ the general rule or is there actual stages that are better an worse

[viscid swift]

you don't need good ships to farm XP in W12

12 shitters should get the job done quite easily

[vale spindle]

personally i do 12-1 or 12-4 as chapter 12 is the earliest you can get cog chips as a clearing reward

i think it's also the earliest for augmentation exp too but that's less relevant

[nimble cedar]

good to know, thank you

[vale spindle]

I always have a ton of oil so i lean towards less oil min maxing if i can get other things on the side

[nimble cedar]

yeah I usually have a decent supply because most days I'm just doing my dailies only

[vale spindle]

hence why I'm not min maxing event farming to save time, or farming 12-4 instead of 12-1 some days cause i want faster coins

[mellow cape]

Lately I find that min maxing oil feels redundant cause I'll go back to hoarding an excess amount of oil when there are no events

[tame jungle]

it's small gains that stack up over time of course
up to you to decide if you value it enough

[vale spindle]

Its just personal preference depending on how much you want to tryhard

[thorny plume]

Would this be the right pace to ask questions? Lvl 91 and my ships casually let me know ow that I haven't visited in 638 days

[vale spindle]

try at least searching on the wiki first cause wiki and /guide in #bot-spam have a lot of stuff

[thorny plume]

Ty that's why I asked ❤️

[vale spindle]

you can ask here too if anything is confusing btw don't want to discourage u

[thorny plume]

Probably 89% of my questions can be answered by a guide. Oh do no discouragement. I can use q guide to back track and then ask questions once I catch up with it.

I want to say I was nearing end game or in it before I stopped. It's more of detangling my mind 2 years ago with my current mind of today lol.

It is safe to say to pull this event banner yes?

[vale spindle]

yes it is

[sweet delta]

The UR ship is amazing

[mellow cape]

I haven't really seen much on raff yet besides mobbing

[thorny plume]

Coolio got 124 cubes rn before rewards so should ne able to hit pity for the ur

[soft raft]

Gacha UR Pog

[shadow yarrow]

"Fixed skill-related issues affecting Raffaello." huh

[viscid swift]

"-Fixed an issue where Raphael's skills behaved differently than specified under certain circumstances."

that's what the JP patch notes said

[sweet delta]

Cn notes say it's about her barrage enemy targeting

And barrier failing sometimes

Idk what either of those bugs are

But it's not going to magically make her a top 5 boss BB

Since samvaluations™️ are on hiatus,

Knockoff Samvaluations™️
Raffaello - Amazing.
Baracca - Great but somewhat easily accessible side/upgrades exist.
Andrea Doria META - Great.
Carducci - Collection/tech only.
Colleoni - Collection/tech only.

[little tree]

[keen sable]

That's a really big deviation from ur great gold good elite haha

[thorny plume]

So reading research priorty right. Only research pr5, I was doing pr2 last time I was plsying

[keen sable]

Or 7

[thorny plume]

Is 7 bttr then or equal to 5. And the shipyard im almost done with fried friedrich from pr2. After her should I move up to get the newer prs?

[keen sable]

Old stuff can be coined. Make sure you figure that part out

Developing(getting her in your dock) a ship is not the same as enhancing a ship(making her good).

You generally can develop any ship you feel like whenever you feel like as long as you don't mind the dock space. Enhancing takes years to catchup on everything.

[thorny plume]

Ah I c

[keen sable]

So in that regard pr5 ships have catchup and can be coined but plymouth can't be. Whereas in 7 all your research goes somewhere necessary. Backline gear is generally considered more important than vanguard guns and you can get one plygun for free. Otoh plymouth is almost definitely more useful than Napoli and all of 7 except maybe nyah.

[worldly pewter]

after fdg he should get some pr4 ships i think the issue is which to focus
5 or 7 but most likely it will be 7

[left cedar]

I should buy eldridge from merit shop right?

[forest palm]

do you have her retrofit item?

[left cedar]

What item

[keen sable]

Ok if you don't mind the dock space before retrofit

[left cedar]

Shes better than fu shun retro?

[viscid swift]

That one

[worldly pewter]

did u play before the jp anni ?

[forest palm]

if you don't have that item don't buy her

[left cedar]

Ah no i dont got that, how do i get it?

[viscid swift]

It's from an event

[keen sable]

Wait

[left cedar]

Alr

Is she better than fu shun tho even if its not retro

[viscid swift]

No

[left cedar]

Alright

[keen sable]

Cheeky, would you say 2024 was an above average year for f2p gems?

[viscid swift]

hmmm

let me check

if I'm being honest not really

you're only looking at about 200-300 gems above the usual "guranteed" stuff

[keen sable]

Hmm I guess the ships just keep going down especially with meta dock. My alt is piling up gems

[viscid swift]

yeah that's pretty much been my experienece as well

[storm heron]

is there a 100% jintM fleet?

[eternal basalt]

800 gems this year in August, and Eldridge item was EN anni, not JP anni

[left cedar]

Is an shan worth retroing?

[viscid swift]

considering all the old fleets used Helena

there or may not be

[atomic abyss]

i mean, wasnt mintsuu from a time where we didnt have als or soy

[viscid swift]

that is correct

[atomic abyss]

and your best BB comp was like what, Bis2 Vanny Sushi?

[viscid swift]

well we didn't use BBs

[storm heron]

for new player: she could be worth but her value went down imo if you have one of the other ddgs
for 12-4 player that can consistently kill harby, ddgs are probably not that expensive anymore so feel free to

[atomic abyss]

rockets?

[viscid swift]

it was a 4 strike CV comp using Kearsrage, Yorktown 2, Enterprise, Helena

[left cedar]

I have fu shun and laffey retroed

[atomic abyss]

shd be much easier to get 1 shot comps now then

[viscid swift]

pretty sure the other 2 vanguards were Plymouth and Aurora

[storm heron]

yeah, no

[left cedar]

Alr

Anything else i should lvl up?

[storm heron]

4 strike?

that was new, never thought US can 4 shot

ah yes US

[viscid swift]

yeah her skills didn't help much

[left cedar]

Btw are any of the event ships good? Like the ad meta and the one in milestones?

[storm heron]

focus getting to 12-4 first with ur current one, but look into getting more iron blood tech points for fdg

[left cedar]

Whats fdg

[storm heron]

the freidrich de groBe PR2 ship in the shipyard

[viscid swift]

just to give you an idea, I believe that's the yorktown 2 set up I ran because I couldn't afford oaths

[reef flume]

Impla rerun in march? Fr?

[boreal wagon]

as a german this offends me greately

[viscid swift]

yes

[worldly pewter]

6

[storm heron]

ah shit 6 hvars

[reef flume]

How?

[viscid swift]

it was announced in the last stream

[reef flume]

Damn I must have missed that. Welp, the sooner the better

[viscid swift]

that's not the comp I was cooking, it was just a comparrison of reload times

[storm heron]

friedrich der große

sowwy

[boreal wagon]

fyi ß == ss as a fallback

[viscid swift]

and bear in mind as well Yorktown 2 allowed Enterprise to run Skyraider for that comp

[storm heron]

really? must be with oaths

[viscid swift]

I did it unoathed

[elfin hollow]

Can I turn off chat like this one in operation siren?

[viscid swift]

I'll look at some old CN runs later for inspiration

[boreal wagon]

there is a reduce tb guidance setting in the game settings but you cant 100% disable it

[sweet delta]

Just do soyuz nakh fritz nowadays and it'll probably be enough damage to run Eldridge for safety

[keen sable]

Somevaluation™
Ur great
Gold good
Purple less than elite

[storm heron]

uniquevaluation

[keen sable]

I like how that pivots on the e

[sweet delta]

What's the whole scale of somevaluation?

[stark quiver]

Good meh bad

[eager mulch]

amagi-chan

[sinful nymph]

I don't know if it's gameplay,

But how do I play the game in my new phone?

Like.. how do I play in the same account I have on my old phone?

[echo nexus]

farming exp for nakhimov, which three should i use?

[inland shoal]

You log in with your bind on the left before selecting the server

[soft raft]

simply log in with your Yostar account or whatever binding method you use

And make sure to select the same server you were on previously

[sinful nymph]

I press the yostar button?

[soft raft]

[sinful nymph]

It popped up a message about account binding

[soft raft]

Yes
do that too

[sinful nymph]

What do I press?.

[sinful nymph]

It says "failed to bind"

"Yostar account has been bound with another in-game account "

[soft raft]

uhhhhh
go to #tech-support then, idk off the top of my head how to resolve that problem

[sinful nymph]

Oki thank you very much, still.

[inland shoal]

Btw you are sharing your gmail address to the public there in case you care and wanna delete the img

@sinful nymph

[sinful nymph]

I'm super dum

XD

Thanks

[keen sable]

As ungranular as possible. the conclusion that i see is that rarity matters

[sinful nymph]

How long do they usually take to answer btw?

[hushed delta]

quite fast

[soft raft]

varies depending on the avaliability of people who freqeunt that channel

even if you email customer support (Especially if you do it on a Friday/the weekend or during Chinese new Year) it can take a bit

[abstract ore]

What the best gun and torp for aurora

Exclude UR pr stuff

[stark quiver]

152 mle and quad mag torp

[spark ridge]

Should I work on fritz yorkii or rafaello next?

I have enough to buy 2 more rainbow bulin so I can mlb someone, just didn’t want to bloat my dock

[abstract ore]

Id say fritz or yorktown 2

[stark quiver]

I say Fritz

[sweet delta]

Rumey

[stark quiver]

Or save for implac rerun

[spark ridge]

If she’s next I might just do that

[forest palm]

I'd save for Implacable rerun

[spark ridge]

Is she estimated next?

Man I have no pulls left, I hit 200 pity on rafaello

[stark quiver]

Within this month

Time to start saving
Get 44 free pulls

[spark ridge]

Gg I’m not getting her I have 60 cubes

[stark quiver]

You never know

[forest palm]

still plenty of time between now and then, so don't sweat it

[abstract ore]

How to get this, event only?

Rerun when

[stark quiver]

Maybe this year

[ivory pawn]

Like August ish hopefully? 🤞

[abstract ore]

Well that sometime

Trying to get full UR collection asap

[thorny plume]

Anybtips for dock space, keeping playing around with 230/232

[stark quiver]

Get more
Retire common/blue dupes

[thorny plume]

Already did, got about 10 bulin or so between gold and epic but unsure of limit brea options

[soft raft]

what have you been spending your gems on btw, just to make sure you arent splurging them on useless shit

[hollow gust]

Should be spending all your gems on dock

[thorny plume]

Idk tbh, haven't played in 638ish days

Currently in chp 12, but working the event while I try to read some guides to get a footing

[clear harbor]

At the moment, I gather more oil from commissions than I can spend, should I just but setting my shipgirls on auto clear while I'm at work to burn off some of that oil?

[soft raft]

grind grind grind (esp with 2x plans if you lack time) or buy dorm curry

those are the main ways of burning oil

[stark quiver]

@patent fiber hi I request your assistance

[pastel owl]

done

[stark quiver]

They’re in a lot of other channels

[patent fiber]

i see. taking care of them.

[forest palm]

#off-topic as well

[little tree]

~~ i missed the funny link ~~

[onyx chasm]

Anyone know what stage I'm meant to complete for access to SP?

[rain vine]

d3
press b3 and toggle hard mode in the bottom left

[onyx chasm]

Ah thank you

[glass quest]

Is Maggiore Barracca good as a submarine?

[unreal star]

do the homing beacons stack?

[inland shoal]

I don't think you can even equip 2 of them on the same ship, but if you could they wouldn't stack

[unreal star]

ty

for shinano bossing do people use homing beacon to get her airstrike to launch more quickly?

[inland shoal]

Afaik she's decent, but not replacing anyone from Wolf- or Fishpack

[inland shoal]

Usually not. What is important for bossing is mainly that you land all your rockets and torpedoes while you have a stop applied to the boss (usually done by Implacable or Nakhimov)

[stark quiver]

@storm heron wake up its time to change to no 2 ex

[unreal star]

kk thanks

[inland shoal]

And for that you usally adjust the plane loadout rather than use beacon or manjuu. But if you would have to compromise planes too much beacon or manjuu become viable

[glass quest]

what is a good submarine trio that isn't necessarily based off any pact ability? or is that rather crucial

[keen sable]

Like ldv 556m 47 or something. Or aqua or new sub.

[glass quest]

Otherwise U-37, U-81 and U-96 for the wolfpack?

[sweet delta]

Flasher homura 556m/leo

[ripe patio]

How do I unlock sp and ex

[ivory pawn]

Clear D3, which clearly says 0% in your screenshot.

[stark quiver]

/hardmode

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460648604974055424/1322138175426269215/image0.png

[stark quiver]

I’m blind ngl

[ivory pawn]

You're not blind! It's just muscle memory from answering the exact same question for the past 5 days.

[hushed sorrel]

its difficult to know what you want if you post a picture without saying anything

[ivory pawn]

Sorry, bot doubled up on /hardmode to hammer it in.

[storm heron]

upgrading kent and sirius, I have some new tech, just wait

[storm heron]

[strange heron]

From 6 cubes i got raffaello lol

[forest palm]

#trophy-room

[ivory pawn]

#trophy-room

[soft raft]

#trophy-room is that way unless you have a question

[strange heron]

Wait lemme remove it

[polar lion]

What about Amity?

[eager mulch]

she’s not a sub

she’s a sailing frigate and those suck

[rapid grail]

do that on #lil-enterprise-general
maybe you'll find good friends there to talk with and to beat METAs

[elfin hollow]

Ok, thank you very much!

[autumn chasm]

Wich of those 4 URs should i max out next? I have NJ and Z52 maxed alr

I have 3 bulins lined up

[viscid swift]

Raffaello but wait for a 4th bullin

[autumn chasm]

Gotchu ty

[tiny scaffold]

which of the Ultra rarities have decent / good crossfleets?

[stark quiver]

Nj,Soyuz,Alsace,musashi

For backline

[tranquil cobalt]

How to unlock these? I completed the story earlier

[ivory pawn]

Beat hard mode of stage 3 on part 2.

/hardmode

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460648604974055424/1322138175426269215/image0.png

[versed elk]

anyone have the mathematical calculator for which bb fleet is the best? i remember there being a document with the maths

[wind hazel]

ctrl+F yahoo, probably

[zenith heron]

Has anyone know how many free gems have we all acquired over the years?

Also what is the maxed Dock space without upgrades?

[viscid swift]

no and 3000

[keen sable]

is that since amagi or 7 years?

[viscid swift]

both

[keen sable]

oh nm you're answering dock

[eager mulch]

3000 dock space without guild

[exotic wren]

What's w11's schtick again? Was it suicide boats?

[eager mulch]

ye

[exotic wren]

Then 12 is just suicide boats plus teeny bit of planes?

[keen sable]

not really. more strange bosses really. it has enhanced bomb boats but they're not particularly dangerous

[atomic abyss]

11 is 10 but harder
Higher HP suicide boats and more BB shooting

[viscid swift]

it's also a precursor to W14 in that if you don't clear shit fast enough you will get burned down

[atomic abyss]

12 is just planes
13 is planes but actually hard without proper AA

[exotic wren]

Ye but I'm rushing it with underleveled/same leveled, no skill ships so ye

[keen sable]

there're basically no bomb boats on 12. 12 bosses have lots of planes not teeny.

[viscid swift]

still really shouldn't be difficult

[sinful socket]

how do we read this

is this like every time the combined fleet takes damage as much as 20% of the solo ship's HP ?

[exotic wren]

Chesh on mob + Sandy on Boss should be safe for 12 then? Both 105-110 maybe

[viscid swift]

I read it as everytime your entire fleet looses 20% of its total HP

[sinful socket]

the whole fleet gets it ?

[viscid swift]

well you cut out the rest of the context

[keen sable]

i don't understand why you would skimp on levels but ok

[tiny scaffold]

what is the ideal amount of dorm slots you should buy

[viscid swift]

and it says "ships"

3rd slot and 2nd floor at a minimum

[exotic wren]

They're both 100 rn and I'm just estimating that they'll be atleast 105 buy the time I clear w11 with them kek

[sinful socket]

does it reset every fight and is it affected by heals ?

im sorry, I'm forced to cut out the skill, it's 3 pages long

[viscid swift]

I would imagine it's reset every fight since skills rarely carry over and I honestley don't know

[eager mulch]

do skills ever carry over

[keen sable]

roll tide

[eager mulch]

im not an Alabama fan

[sinful socket]

then she's better in a boss fleet

[viscid swift]

what

[sinful socket]

I'm not losing 20% HP for my whole fleet in a mob fight

[stark quiver]

i am

[sinful socket]

unless it ain't affected by heals

if the threshold is not affected by heals, maybe I am

[viscid swift]

did you bother reading the rest of the skill at all

"If an allied ship sinks an enemy ship with the Jet-Black Paint debuff, that ship receives Pearlescent Paint stacks equal to the number of Jet-Black Paint applied to the defeated enemy."

[sinful socket]

yes something about it procing with skill 1 as well

[viscid swift]

next sentence, there's ways of getting pearlescent Paint Stacks than losing HP

and to refresh your memory of the Jet-Black Paint debuff
"Whenever a ship in your Main Fleet ship or the frontmost ship of your Vanguard hits an enemy with the weapon equipped in that ship's first slot: 50% chance to apply 1 stack of Jet-Black Paint to the enemy hit"

[sinful socket]

so I better put someone with not a lot of CD on my frontmost vanguard

[viscid swift]

if you really want to take advantage of it sure

[sinful socket]

a tank with low reloads on main gun, maybe a tanky DD or CA ?

[viscid swift]

sure

[sinful socket]

I don't have the resources yet, but I'm really curious as to how Z52 and Raffaelo skills interact together. Like you put Z52 frontmost and Raffaelo topmost. Z52 stacks Thunder Seal and Jet Black Ink. Raffaelo then fires, detonating the Thunder Seal and applying more Jet black ink

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

[storm heron]

[sweet delta]

I believe the actual effect is that each ship only counts their own 20% max HP

Maybe that's what today's maintenance will change, but then idk will they just give white paint to the whole fleet?

Nvm, idk what the translators are doing but CN skill text said nothing of "combined" max HP

[sinful socket]

translators be burning the kitchen

[clear harbor]

Is there an article in the resource compendium about what to spend gems on early in the game?

[sinful escarp]

3 dorm slots + second floor dorm
rest is dock space

[exotic wren]

3rd dorm slot+ 2nd floor

[finite crag]

hows the new ur

[shut cedar]

How do you dismiss meowfficers

[versed forum]

is my bb fleet good enough? almost all of them are suited for mobs idk if they work

[novel solstice]

You feed them to the ones that you want to keep.

[sweet delta]

Fdg is out of sync, and raffaello is too slow. HSFCR for raff and fdg. If you don't have a third, then Musashi is the one who doesn't need

[storm heron]

🏳️

[stark quiver]

better than SR bbs, from what ive heard, it wont replace any ships in current meta

[plain saffron]

Anything important this maint?

[storm heron]

apparently meta ships can be insta built

[stark quiver]

jintM is this maint?

i thought we had a week left in meta sd

[storm heron]

algorithmeta was also added before magato ended

[nimble knoll]

Should I retro indep rn?

[stark quiver]

so is jintM being added yes or no, just because algerie was added doesnt mean JintM is going to get the same treatment

[stark quiver]

sure

[eager mulch]

you’re important

[crimson grove]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4JgTggGBWaA0ZkA5EBZYEZ2LANllwSwHZ891itoxos6EAiUgE3dYENumF8BdBMBp0UEBAGYaaBJhx58ixGQpIqiKFinEWXTlwBGnXukHD62RFOgy5xGPkYpiYWGmX1ajXV3Y9Z-GbAFKSeJKTojGSReM7Qyup8MjShyIi63JnGAUIScDRWuKoxMgQUygSI5STQFAzpbKT6frwCQnQUEuLRjGBxCtU4xOgSqileDXpZJoEkQeBQ0HmSUox2A2PkyhLU0Lj1zKQozXozuYuqEmCjGPAuipuqYIki9N5snAZ%2B2aZCWFhoKJSGTWGQOKJbNS7fbvb6ZGZBUKhGjhGKSCA7WK4BLUF7QZGwzItPhmXDweAkTDxSTIe7VCRuKrUmh1WG%2BYltcwweIQtF9bFIfqU4j4ZJLGQ%2BXxGVqzLDzaBmBVCBVBOikA49ZQRXpCoY4jypd7HTjQeE5cD4-5atGawUCvXCg0TQ56U3%2BTlqpbW3k6%2B0vPEEybcN0-WXzCiAvCwPK3RIQIhPfDEdw1NAHJj0dghs7mNClaPUzCJazEVaIFPSN7pTOsbPmytPAux0s0FtOZk2KvMTMmt28OWCMCBACE0AAdPjhwAzLAAYzAU9gU6AA

so I had this loadout saved for W15
i wanted to know if there's anything newer that I can use to really sleeper through with W14 and W15

[stark quiver]

lets see

wheres z52 and eld

boss does not need two healers, let alone one

[crimson grove]

this is at least half a year old
just want to make this stupid op enough to do 14 and 15 without making changes

[nimble knoll]

After indep, shud I retro Sara?

[stark quiver]

also the aux guns are

[stark quiver]

id say indep i guess

[nimble knoll]

Wat I meant was, after I retro indep, should I retro Sara or someone else?

[stark quiver]

well just using that dock sara

[stark quiver]

refer to /w15 in #bot-spam for good w15 fleets
w14 is a different matter

[crimson grove]

[lyric moss]

I've been looking for this for the whole 2 days. Thanks.

[crimson grove]

why wouldnt a 15 team work
is it cause of plane hell vs suicide ship hell

[storm heron]

damn is there no mintsuu this maint

[stark quiver]

why would you say jintM without knowing

[stark quiver]

the /w15 fleets will likely work for w14 yes, with some adjustments

[eternal moth]

This is an emergency maint, not a normal one.

[nimble knoll]

Indep is for Boosting other CV/CVL's Right?

[stark quiver]

thats one of whats good abt her yes

[eternal moth]

She's good at mobbing, although the boost helps

[topaz sundial]

fleetbuild help for opsi

[nimble knoll]

And Sara is gud for wat?

[stark quiver]

also mob/boss

[haughty dust]

Is Brest good in Op Si or in campaign? I finally got her to dev level 30

[nimble knoll]

But she doesn't boost other CV/CVL's right?

[stark quiver]

shes a good tank

[stark quiver]

no

[stark quiver]

btw bismarck zwei is the next in line UR rerun after implacable, who gets her rerun this month

[haughty dust]

Then where in the following would she best go? and what gear would you recommend?

[stark quiver]

replaces sanfran

[nimble knoll]

Okei

[haughty dust]

any gear suggestions though for her?

[stark quiver]

standard cb gear

[haughty dust]

like what?

[nimble knoll]

-# Holy shit, Retrofitting indep took so much money, My 40k is now gone

[haughty dust]

I do not think I have any of that 3rd piece of gear but have to double check. I think I have at least one piece of the first but I might not have more than that. I also have to check that as well.

[stark quiver]

ust use any aa gun

[haughty dust]

ok I will have to see what I got. The rest I know for a fact should not be an issue

[eternal moth]

What CB gun is that? It doesn't look familiar

[stark quiver]

b50

[eager mulch]

Kron gun

[eternal moth]

Oh, so it is. ok

[haughty dust]

@stark quiver looks like this is what I currently have equipped on her

I was correct about the main gun I only have one right now and it is on another character. As for AA I was also right and I have zip, zilch, nada of those either.

[stark quiver]

looks good

[eternal moth]

That's fine.

[haughty dust]

ok

[zenith pebble]

i wish you say that to me

[forest palm]

The twin 138 is wasted, and could be swapped for the single 138

[primal silo]

Is event still going for one more week?

[zenith pebble]

it ends at the 12

idk why theres a maitenance

[stark quiver]

emergency maint
check game news

[zenith pebble]

did someone find a game breaking loophole

[sweet delta]

Read game news

[primal silo]

3D dorm

[zenith pebble]

🫂

[plain saffron]

Not really emergency

[raven canyon]

should i give kazagumo the 550 for her 2nd skill

[sweet delta]

the point of kazagumo's skill is to do damage, not to do no damage

[raven canyon]

oh

[sweet delta]

give her ironblood quad mags or improved quad mags

[raven canyon]

thanks for the feedback

also which skills of her should i prioritize first

[wind hazel]

just level both to 5 and max 1 by 1, or evenly, or 1 by 1, doesn't matter

[polar lion]

What are they fixing on Rafa skill?

[raven canyon]

oh alr

[crimson grove]

@sweet delta @stark quiver https://renhex.github.io/alft/263 finally back
thoughts?

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

that's a W15 fleet?

[crimson grove]

ye

[stark quiver]

laff shall tank and replace brest with shimanto

[eager mulch]

[viscid swift]

I give it a 7/10

[crimson grove]

[stark quiver]

its one more point than 6/10

[crimson grove]

change what next

I want that 10

[viscid swift]

this I would give an 8

[latent wraith]

what's the shutdown for?

[viscid swift]

10 would be obscenely expensive by my standards, and unecessary

[stark quiver]

check game news

[stark quiver]

whats 10

[wind hazel]

12 frogs

[crimson grove]

I'm not seeing whats different from mine

[stark quiver]

im seeing very differnt

[latent wraith]

thanks

[wind hazel]

btw daisen gun worth using for w15 mob? last time i asked suchi he told me to stick with twin 410 kai

[stark quiver]

idt it matters that much

is mori hunting hous2

[wind hazel]

no, just asking so that i dont int people in threads

[viscid swift]

something like that

[storm heron]

prolly cause it's faster?

[stark quiver]

are foxes rly best option for w15 boss though?

[viscid swift]

actually brest needs the 57mm but details

[viscid swift]

not really, but I can't be bothered to cook further

[stark quiver]

also i think gannet and eld is enuff for asw

but, little things

[viscid swift]

honestley I find people have a penchant for lethal 3 starring for some reason

[stark quiver]

it looks cool
even if no one cares

[viscid swift]

actually now that I think about it

[crimson grove]

guilty

[viscid swift]

I hate the way the vanguards are distributed

[stark quiver]

i do too

but im not a technical player, i go with w/e works

[crimson grove]

I just throw enough rainbow until it works

[viscid swift]

does go pretty hard actually

[stark quiver]

i call this the i do not like losing mob fights mob fleet

[viscid swift]

why do people run 457 on Alsace

[stark quiver]

i do cuz its rainbow

[crimson grove]

are you not supposed to?

is it cause of her preload?

[viscid swift]

457 makes less sense on Alsace because of her preload

[stark quiver]

wait a damn second

[viscid swift]

battle should end with both getting in about 3 salvos anyway

[stark quiver]

isnt the 2nd boss for 15-4 light

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

mk7

[crimson grove]

hold up
is that a double spearfish
what the fuck

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

its fast and you have enough AA

[crimson grove]

no wonder getting that 10 is crazy

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't even say that's a 10

9.5 at best

[sweet delta]

Why do people run champ gun on Alsace, 460 does more damage and she has a preload

[stark quiver]

speaking of cooking
i still need to fix the implac,zwei,ranger fleet

and yes, i know what im doing

[thorn tartan]

is the game going offline in a bit for update?

[stark quiver]

6 hour maint

[eternal basalt]

*emergercy maint

[crimson grove]

https://renhex.github.io/alft/265

I am curious if a fleet that can do 15-1 to 15-3 can do 15-4 lethal three star

[stark quiver]

a good fleet can lethal 3*

[thorn tartan]

i got close once, but never got close again until i made it safer

[stark quiver]

my fleet consisted of top meta and i still almost lost

[viscid swift]

side note, I would always prioritze the best AA guns for the ships with the best AA over who makes better use of 15 hit

[crimson grove]

thats what I am trying to get

[clear harbor]

Enhancing is like converting ships into stat increases?

[viscid swift]

also, why do you insist on using DBs on Amagi

[crimson grove]

dunno whats better

[viscid swift]

any torpedo bomber

[crimson grove]

oh wait double wyvern

[viscid swift]

even Breguet would be better

[crimson grove]

yea sorry brain dumbed

[wind hazel]

too many sextuple

[forest palm]

What's to say you replace Klaudia with a second AQL?

[viscid swift]

hmmm

[crimson grove]

not enough 57

[unborn saffron]

What torpedoes is comverging ? Iris converg ?

[viscid swift]

use Twin 90s then

[wind hazel]

or let alsace use a staag, put the frog on eldridge

[stark quiver]

when im pulling WW, does rate up only stay until i get the ship or stay after

[viscid swift]

honestley I'm fully against using Stagg in W15 at this point

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

you usually need a bit more AA than 10 hit

[wind hazel]

can't be that bad

[thorn tartan]

okay dailies done. researched queued. maintenance time

[stark quiver]

i have a lot of Q's queud

[thorn tartan]

cat box obtained.

[wind hazel]

vit2, ryusei, ju87, saiun

[unborn saffron]

Thanks 🔥

[forest palm]

I am curious how Raph compares to Musashi in 15 post fix, the one thing that sticks out to me is that she would also be buffing AQL in this all

[rigid onyx]

what is the fix

[hallow mountain]

I GOT THE TENRAI YAY
How do I get more purple books for enhancing, other than dailies? Doesn't OpSi have them as loot?

[viscid swift]

no

[storm heron]

purple plates*

[hallow mountain]

Damn

[wind hazel]

just farm or open tech box and scrap

[plain saffron]

Farm 12-1 or something

[thorn tartan]

are you short the general ones?

[rigid onyx]

Still do opsi, it's your main source of gold plates and endgame gear

[hallow mountain]

I need purple ones

[hallow mountain]

The plane ones

[viscid swift]

just grind 12-1 more

[crimson grove]

@viscid swift how many 76 are you at

[hallow mountain]

And yes also the general ones

[thorn tartan]

eventually they start to stack up. But I was short the general purples for a very long time.

[viscid swift]

5, I could craft a 6th but I'm playing things safe for now

[hallow mountain]

Is 12-4 for gaming purple plane plates?

[crimson grove]

[rigid onyx]

am i schizophrenic or has the past 2 months had an emergence of 12-1 shills over 12-4

[strange heron]

hello

[wind hazel]

so rich...

[strange heron]

Is Seasonal Pass worth to buy?

[storm heron]

tbf they aren't that different

[crimson grove]

where do you get so much circuits and ur plans from

[strange heron]

Anyoneee can answerr meeee

[hallow mountain]

Depends on you I think, if you want free 30 cubes

[viscid swift]

up to you, it's mainly for the skin though

[wind hazel]

people had always recommended 12-1 for exp and 12-4 for coin

[thorn tartan]

opsi for circuits

[hallow mountain]

What
That's not how it works

[thorn tartan]

oh wait, i mean electronics

[strange heron]

Okayyy there is also a boost pack lvl 70

[viscid swift]

I've been playing OpSi consistently for the last 2 years or so

[hallow mountain]

Or have I gone schizophrenic

[wind hazel]

that is how it works

[strange heron]

Hmmm i want to reach lvl 70 fast

[hallow mountain]

Wait really
Then why am i farming 12-4 this whole time for exp

[storm heron]

this is very worth imo, QoL

[rigid onyx]

That's more of a financial question that an al question, but in general the most 'worthwhile' gem spending are just the basic 2x gem packages because dock space is what you are most limited by, and skins is the what most people whale for

If you like the other goodies or are more of a spender it's up there ig

[stark quiver]

cuz youre

[wind hazel]

idk, because coin good

[hallow mountain]

Also I find 12-4 to be easier too

[strange heron]

Alright thanks

[stark quiver]

do you like skin

[wind hazel]

12-1 is easier than 12-4 by a lot...

[hallow mountain]

Because there's free ammo for another fleet

I mean easier for farming exp

[stark quiver]

so youre manualing 12-4

[strange heron]

Yesssss

I want the new raffaelo skin DAMN IS SO GOOD

[hallow mountain]

You get a little more bonus

Yeah because my ships suck rn

[stark quiver]

then its worth because you cant get the skin anywhere else
wait raf? thatd repulse skin

[strange heron]

i mean i like the repulse skin as well

[stark quiver]

then just go to 12-1, that way you can prob afk

[rigid onyx]

You can sleep on it too, because it's maint now :)

[strange heron]

But raffaelo good asf lol

[stark quiver]

if u like skin the its worth, if you dont then its not

[storm heron]

the pass is definitely worth for the repulse skin, but gems wise you would go somewhere else if you are not interested in repulse skin

[hallow mountain]

Actually no tbh I think my ships are pretty good, especially now that I have Shinano and her Tenrai. Just concerned that someone might die while farming

[strange heron]

Hmm alright

is worth it cause free 30cubes

[stark quiver]

then make it so that they dont die
you can literaally run shitter gear

[wind hazel]

your shinano shouldn't be using the hvar

[nimble knoll]

Why was there a maint?

[hallow mountain]

I know but I don't have any other fighters

[wind hazel]

not even a hellcat? or corsair

[river junco]

Adding 3d anchorage

[nimble knoll]

That's all?

[strange heron]

no?

[hallow mountain]

Actually I do

[wind hazel]

#game-news

[stark quiver]

nothing in the cruise pass other than the skin makes it worth

[hallow mountain]

Yeah I should change the HVAR

[strange heron]

I see

[rigid onyx]

the game is generous enough that you can practically guarantee ever new meta ship without spending money

if you're a bit lucky (think, 60th percentile or something) you can get every banner ship releasing too

although, you have to be smart with cube usage (not spending cubes on standard banner aside from 1 light pull/day)

[hallow mountain]

I'm just farming the event stages until I'm satisfied with my loot so I could go back farming the Ryusei

[strange heron]

Maybe i should get the boost lvl 70 pack

[strange heron]

Well i just got raffaelo earlier lol in 3 pulls

[rigid onyx]

I'd sooner just want the 2x $10 of gems before anything else for dock space then any of the other packs tbh

[hallow mountain]

Speaking of which I don't have that many plane purple plates I should farm them first

[stark quiver]

if youre newb then its a really good pack

[strange heron]

alright ill take this one

After the maintenance ill buy it

[wind hazel]

How to whale efficiently as a new player!
Good stuff to buy:

• Lv70 commander pack
• Any gem packs with double bonus, the higher the more value per $

Optional valuable stuff to buy:

• monthly Trade License

[stark quiver]

i bought lvl 70 pack as a lvl 132 skk

[rigid onyx]

i dont think the l70 pack is worth it with a limited budget but that's my opinion

[strange heron]

Alright thankss

Ill get raffaelo skin once i hit 1800+ lol

[eternal basalt]

Cruise pass beats monthly pass imo

[wind hazel]

only if you like the skin

[stark quiver]

hi i think you should not but skins with free to play gems

[wind hazel]

otherwise cruise pass value drop a lot

[strange heron]

Whyy

[rigid onyx]

if you buy skins with f2p gems eventually you hit a dock space wall

[storm heron]

more like don't buy skin if you're f2p/unable to top up gems

[strange heron]

Ohhh

[rigid onyx]

f2p players basically have to spend all their free gems on dockspace and can't buy skins

[strange heron]

I can top up but only once a month lol

[storm heron]

who invented "free to play gems" anyway

[rigid onyx]

but the gacha is extremely generous if you're active

in the world of scum mobile gacha monetization al is up there, but that's a pretty low bar ngl

[strange heron]

I spent 10k+(peso) in other games in a year

[eternal basalt]

Every gacha to wet your wallet

[sweet delta]

banned her invincibility interaction with super low hp ships

[rigid onyx]

isn't that a strict nerf

[tight yarrow]

Which skill does that again?

[sweet delta]

and apparently her barrage was aimed at a fixed position in front of her

so she was even worse than we initially thought

[clear harbor]

Server Maintenance is a weekly thing?

[boreal wagon]

not exactly actually a weekly thing but it does tend to happen back to back

[eternal basalt]

This is an extra emergency maint cause last week failed though

[clear harbor]

But it's always at the same time?

[inner delta]

its always when reset happen yes

[clear harbor]

Ohhh. K. Good to know. I got caught kind of off guard because it said midnight, but it happened at 11:00 PM my time. But now I know. And there's an "in-game" clock that I should have probably used as my reference.

But now I know and hopefully won't make that mistake again.

They also gave the reset time in UTC, I was just too lazy to convert. 😩

[eternal basalt]

Well now you know for years when to expect maint on wednesday(?) for you

[carmine heath]

are we getting extra stuff because anchorage quarters update was missed?

[eternal basalt]

100 gems

[clear harbor]

Well, hopefully I don't mess it up when daily savings time rolls around.

[shadow yarrow]

did the patch nerf raffaello

[crimson glacier]

no

[sinful escarp]

iirc there was a crashing issue with raffa

[crimson glacier]

didnt that get fixed pretty quickly

[shadow yarrow]

whats this about refreshing pigments? wasnt there something about her refreshing even when she shouldnt?

[sinful escarp]

ahh so its another issue with raffa, mb

[shadow yarrow]

idfk

[golden moth]

Guys any of u maxed out raffaelo?

[crimson glacier]

nope

[shadow yarrow]

https://t.bilibili.com/1041140625676697602?spm_id_from=333.1387.0.0 what cn is saying?

[boreal wagon]

its in essence a long winded explanation of this

[shadow yarrow]

wait her aim was screwed up?

[boreal wagon]

thats a different fix not in that post

[lapis linden]

how do i get more oil. i cant oil up sortie

[boreal wagon]

that post just explains what they did to make Raff + Laffey 2 not become an immortal fleet

[shadow yarrow]

would that have been more op than any other of the memes?

[boreal wagon]

dunno but they deemed it too op so not much we can do about it

[atomic abyss]

Well assuming you already collected your weekly oil pack in shop, and everything from mail and event shop

Nowhere without whaling really, even then whaling for oil is kinda dumb

You get more oil by managing your oil better really

AL at it's core is a resource management game

[plain saffron]

Technically they changed how the diff skills type work not her skill directly

[boreal wagon]

same difference

[lapis linden]

i thought we just spam event d3

[atomic abyss]

They're not mutually exclusive

If you ran out of oil during the event, it means you should have saved oil before the event

[polar lion]

So how does Rafa + Laffii became immortal?

[atomic abyss]

That or, you have to consider running around with 1:1 instead of using oil cap

[lapis linden]

it's doable?

[atomic abyss]

Ofc it is, D3 is only like 103-105

I don't do it personally, but I'm pretty sure some of the more try hard people do it

You can even 1:1 SP mob and boss with the right ships and gear

[lapis linden]

🤯

[boreal wagon]

they don't anymore, but before the fix the white paint shenanigans basically considered damage that was taken before any shield/barrier mitigating making it so that laffii would gain a new barrier even if the real damage she took did not total 20%

(this only really applied at certain HP thresholds (i.E. low level laffii) tho and was mosly useless (probably))

the fix simply gives a priority to skills that trigger on damage taken and ensures a consistent and non abusable order

[atomic abyss]

It's really a matter of how far you're willing to go

I don't play the game all that much so my oil stocks are like, 200k+?

[eternal basalt]

The ONLY thing tis patch changes is removing "barrageLowPriority": true, for her barrages, that's it :/

[inland shoal]

No

You gotta read the lua

[boreal wagon]

thats the only thing it does to her skills specifically

[shadow yarrow]

what's that bool

[boreal wagon]

but if you read my reply to converge youll see they changed more than that

[vale spindle]

no point in arguing about technical code changes when we only know if the code compiles when the maint ends

[inland shoal]

It's something weird that does strange things to aim

[vale spindle]

does it fix the bb shell issue in concealment stages too

[polar lion]

I see

[woven star]

if it's true they nerff Raff a lot. 20% damage for white pigment was decided on Raff's and other's hp. now it's depend on hp and dmg decreasing so you need to get more damage to count 20%

[shadow yarrow]

idk wtf they talking bout to begin with

[woven star]

dam, now it's even depends on shields which target have

[boreal wagon]

its this basically @shadow yarrow

[rapid grail]

[woven star]

example 9400 Raff was 20% or 1880 dmg for second raff skill. Now 25% shell decrease so 9400x1.25=11750 + 1% shield (94) - so 20% will be 2369 shell damage for activation skill 2

[late flame]

first tier N UR when

[whole crypt]

just use bulin

[woven star]

some more funny math in compsition of Raff + Musashi (flag) + z52 (tank) 20% activation will be 6478... it's more then double of z52 hp (I take z52 hp as 2859 without any toolboxes or etc. hp increase)

if they leave without change this *to 20% of their max HP combined * raff done

[shadow yarrow]

This but unironically?

[whole crypt]

oh nice apologems for 3ddorm delay

[boreal wagon]

except their fix doesnt actually touch reductions like those

those reductions already worked as they were intended

[woven star]

I need original source or patch notes at least what they did/do with raff

[glossy granite]

1 GB update for what 😭

For only fixing Raff's skill?

[plain saffron]

anchorage 3d

[eternal basalt]

But really Raff fix

It pretty much replaces the whole dorm, so it's not like we get an additional GB

[forest palm]

Anchorage's butt so fat it constitute's a GB of memory

[sharp echo]

why we got 1gb update?

oh someone already asked

[sinful escarp]

anchorage 3d dorm

[sharp echo]

aw still mt :(

[plain saffron]

21min left

[eternal basalt]

I wonder how big the dl is for people who disabled dorm updates, several people asked after last patch
EDIT: 99.4MB apparently. Someone just posted in general

[fleet berry]

This is mine on pre-DL. Disabled auto dorm update, only have Noshiro's model downloaded. Also, just redownloaded my game about two weeks ago.

[atomic abyss]

This isn't a meme channel.

No random gifs here.

[light citrus]

sorry sir

[fleet berry]

Another 66MB to download right after the MT finished.

[crimson grove]

I can't remove dorm without a fresh install can I

[plain saffron]

you can with fresh install and without fresh install

https://streamable.com/qsm3me

[crimson grove]

where do i get a fairy gannet from

[soft raft]

gear lab
British TB

[stone sluice]

For those who play on 2 different devices, if you disable the 3D dorm on one, it won’t let you download the 3D dorm features on the other device?

[plain saffron]

it's separate settings, not binded to account

[pseudo hearth]

What was the change they made to Rafaello's skill?

[worldly pewter]

[forest palm]

[crimson grove]

wait dorm is only 1 gig?

[plain saffron]

this is not including anchor so it's prob 1gib ish now

[crimson grove]

I had anchor in this is weird after pressing delete its showing 1 gb to add

[plain saffron]

so yeah it's 1gb

[storm heron]

1 GB update

it's only around 960 mb for me

where's the other 64 59 mb

[sinful escarp]

people rounded up when they were talking about it

[weary wyvern]

Does anyone have any specific fleet recs for Chapter 15? I've read through a few guides, but I'm at the point where all I need help with are my fleets. Nothing I do works out despite following everything to a T and I don't know what I'm doing wrong 😭

[fast steppe]

i've got enough protocore for 3 bulins, z52?

[alpine condor]

why can't i do s.p. event

[weary wyvern]

Did you complete all normal and hard mode stages?

[south sequoia]

z52 > alsace > laffeyii

[verbal lantern]

im stuck lmao

[south sequoia]

z52 is close to finishing anyways

[south sequoia]

The guides should be providing gear and fleet recommendations, it might be gear diff or you are not careful with choosing your enemies in the overworld

Or manualing when auto is a bit dumdum and puts your fleet in grave danger

Despite me having guam + laffii, I still had to manual sometimes due to auto having issues.

[south sequoia]

I.e choosing cl nodes at 0 ammo (submarines are deadly at 0 ammo if you dont have enough asw, even with enough I doubt its enough to take down enough of them in 0 ammo at w15 considering their hp bar is chonky)

[loud cedar]

I have enough bulin to mlb Fritz or Raffelo, which would you guys recommend I dump bulin into?

[woeful ridge]

Fritz, they made Rafaello useless now with the nerf

[shell willow]

drop your URs so we see what you are missing

[tiny scaffold]

Twin113 for Agir or sextuple?

[south sequoia]

Wait for more on field testing to conclude raffy actual performance, its too early to slap the "useless" tag on her

[loud cedar]

Rip. I didn't realize she got nerfed

[shell willow]

im gonna be honest id just keep bulins for implacable if i were you, im assuming you are gonna pull her

[loud cedar]

Well, I'll pray I pull her

[south sequoia]

I would genuinely go for raffy here since your only other bb coverage is musashi, unless you need rumey for her anti-light/med niche, you have a ton of cvs stacked already

Though

[woeful ridge]

Not having any hopes, when Alsace had a bugged skill they changed the text on her skill to fit the bug, but for Rafaello they just outright nerf her

[south sequoia]

If you are not in a hurry

I'd go for fritz if you are indeed planning to pull for implacable

Implacable + avp covers 2 fleets, your only other issue is running into a boss that blocks planes.

[loud cedar]

Hmm, so you think Implac assuming I manage to pull + Fritz is the long term play?

[frank pulsar]

imho bb is more worth here, cuz like cleo said you only have 1 usable ur bb
mlb prio would be like raff > implac (if you get her) > fritz

[south sequoia]

Thinking about iy now... raffey should still be the better choice due to the fact you'd still have to wait for bulins to give over to implacable

[loud cedar]

Right now my two main BBs are Musashi and Izumo so def lacking lol

[pseudo hearth]

Grab FdG

[frank pulsar]

bb is also much easier to max than cv so theres that too

[pseudo hearth]

ASAP

[loud cedar]

I'm working on Fdg, prob like two more weeks of dumping gold till mlb orz

[south sequoia]

Also yeah this ^

[loud cedar]

Hmm, alright. I'll go Raff then in the end. Ty!

The other bbs aren't worth cause they're in the pool, right?

[frank pulsar]

yr other bb arent worth because theyre either crept or dont have a useful niche

[loud cedar]

Ah, fair enough

[south sequoia]

^ they're still pretty good, its just timing issue, will you be able to receive enough ur bulins to be able to max them all out before the devs put out a better shinier ur bb?

[fervent temple]

After some test with Raff in mob and siren map

Raffaello = First pasta UR ship with many buff which involve stack build
Pasta have Napoli as best tank = Raff do make Napoli better but Napoli are unreliable in tank position because 1 main gun and slow reload for stacking

Somehow work best with Mogador as Tank
Due to 2 rapid main gun = almost unlimited stack build for the whole team
Also give Mogador rapid regenerate shield and strong heal make her into pseudo tank

Should also work with Plymouth

[upbeat wagon]

What did they change on her

[woeful ridge]

The way the shields work and interact with the frontline

[south sequoia]

I doubt this actually changed anything significant about raffys kit outside this unintended synergy

Was her barrier interaction that integral anyways

[boreal wagon]

they did potentially change that hits on the barrier were also counted (as part of the 20% before fix) before but i didnt dig too deep into it and even if it did that was unintended as well

[vocal sandal]

I just finished developing saint Louis, my first pr ship. Who do I go for next in pr1?

[pseudo hearth]

Do you have anyone in the later PRs available?

[boreal wagon]

its p much one of her core mechanics (the barrier itself that is) but people are just doomposting

[vocal sandal]

Nop

[alpine condor]

ya

[pseudo hearth]

How far away are you?

[vocal sandal]

Quite far

Not halfway there for even 1 of them

[pseudo hearth]

Can you share a screenshot?

[vocal sandal]

For all pr's? Alright

[pseudo hearth]

Because I almost might recommend you try and grab certain ships to fill it out

[wind hazel]

just your fleet tech is simpler

[vocal sandal]

Ohk

[wind hazel]

faction tech i mean

but all in all it's pretty much FDG or Anchorage. not enough tech? just do whatever PR1 ship until you have enough tech for either FDG or Anchorage

[wind hazel]

getting roon is also a step towards FDG, so Roon if you can't do anyone else

[vocal sandal]

I can do any except for ibuki in pr1

[wind hazel]

do roon then

[vocal sandal]

Alright thanks

[vocal sandal]

What about this tho

[wind hazel]

pretty much what i said

after event is over you might wanna farm for more IB ships, use this to guide yourself https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

[vocal sandal]

Oh wait yeah, mb

[vocal sandal]

Hmm alright

[pseudo hearth]

What Mori said

[crimson grove]

I was using this for nugget and it almost killed Taihou
what adjustments do I make

[wind hazel]

if you have z52, replace mog with her

and better AA guns than staag on your vanguard

[crimson grove]

57s?

[wind hazel]

kaza can run double torp too

[versed elk]

where do u guys usually slot z52 in opsi

[wind hazel]

ye i ran triple 57, you can use frog AA if you have it, better than 57

[crimson grove]

z52 no 125

[versed elk]

if my bb fleet is agir/hinden/ply

[wind hazel]

what lv?

[crimson grove]

115

[versed elk]

i need to actually change my fleets from a year ago meta

[wind hazel]

unlucky

[hollow gust]

hinden is just less useful then ply and z52

[versed elk]

yeah i should be dropping her

btw is rumney replacing any of the ijn/uss core for cvs

my backlines are kear/yk/nakhimov and nano amagi imp

[hollow gust]

she goes with nahk and soyuz more often then not

[versed elk]

does that outperform any of my other fleets idk if its worth

[crimson grove]

dunno what a 2025 opsi looks like either

[hollow gust]

its the best med single target comp in the game

[versed elk]

how many la9 do i need for that fleet, 3?

[hollow gust]

you either run 2 or 4

[versed elk]

oh no looks like i gotta farm 1 more

[wind hazel]

or 0

[versed elk]

is it possible to show your fleets guys i legit haven’t change them in a year

been busy so i never had the time to read the new ships kit or skills, just passively level and stuff

[crimson grove]

@wind hazel triple 57 cleared

[crimson grove]

I want the sauce too

[wind hazel]

i just use 2 mob, 1 bb 1 cv

[quartz roost]

Is there any guide to clear w14?

[crimson grove]

10 seconds to spare too :pog:

[wind hazel]

you can look through past threads, or make one your own

[crimson grove]

not that it matters cause I am not getting maihou to max

[wind hazel]

also /w15 works for w14 as well, but overkill

[hollow gust]

[versed elk]

oh ur using 3 cv fleets

[crimson grove]

https://renhex.github.io/alft/266 dunno what to do next for overkill

[wind hazel]

[jaunty glade]

whats the general feel of the new UR, is it still too early to say?

[versed elk]

z52 can main tank hardbiter solo?

[wind hazel]

uh, are those quint mags just error

[versed elk]

i never test her yet

[wind hazel]

strong mobber

[crimson grove]

I dont have any quint in there

oh wait i do I blind assume its quad

[wind hazel]

use torpedo bulge, and something better than toolkit for 2nd hp aux

like RPG or goldburn are better

[hollow gust]

that should be more then enough to kill w14

[wind hazel]

think that one is for w15

[crimson grove]

its for w15 lethal like a clown

[versed elk]

I was thinking something like this but idk what to put for last slot that isn’t Helena

[wind hazel]

maybe better support fleet

[versed elk]

maybe bb fleet need to slot in eldridge somewhere for tankiness

[hollow gust]

using aurora on a BB fleet is such a waste

[crimson grove]

I cant do better than this though unless I start breeding FW190s

[versed elk]

should i put eldridge in that slot then i know aurora is kind of disminishing returns there but idk what else to put

[wind hazel]

no hwah jah? and fritz

[versed elk]

since idk how the tankiness is like for z52 solo

[crimson grove]

whats special about them for support

[hollow gust]

plymmy is more reliable of tank then z52

[wind hazel]

they have better fighters slots than indom illust

[versed elk]

so z52 middle and eldridge offtank?

then for bottom fleet i was thinking slot in scylla or some other aa debuffer like l2

[crimson grove]

[versed elk]

since there is still no good 2nd ara option

[crimson grove]

https://renhex.github.io/alft/267

[hollow gust]

just use any ara

[versed elk]

i guess its hamman2 angle then

[quartz roost]

14-3 and 14-4 help

[nimble knoll]

Is Dev 25 good for Roon to be used, Or is she only gud at 30?

[versed elk]

@hollow gust btw whats the timing for the rumey soyuz nakhi fleet if im using 2 and 4 la9s

[stark quiver]

soy first, then nakh and then rumey shortly after

[versed elk]

which gun should soyuz use

[wind hazel]

whichever that fits timing. can be champy, can be flandre, can be soyuz gun

[versed elk]

aight thanks

[wind hazel]

or the new UR gun

[versed elk]

[wind hazel]

oh but this month heavy, not gonna see use

[nimble knoll]

Also, Should I finish my St. Louis Or Just keep her like this for the time being?

[wind hazel]

whatever you like

since you're probably coining just roon now

[versed elk]

thank you

[crimson grove]

so rich

[versed elk]

[nimble knoll]

If I'm coining a ship, can I develop another ship, Or I can't? (Cuz I'm thinking of MLB my EU Ships for Ancho)

[wind hazel]

you can

[versed elk]

u reduced fleet tech for 2nd one?

[stark quiver]

oh yea i forgot ti gib tech

[versed elk]

i have maxed backline tech

[wind hazel]

so pro

[crimson grove]

so rich

[versed elk]

[nimble knoll]

Back liners give the most tech right?

[stark quiver]

first one is 17 b rld
second one is 15 bb rld

[versed elk]

thanks man 👍i think i will do the 17 rld one too lazy to adjust