gameplay-help

[woven star]

if you can you do

[viscid swift]

it isn't because the higher you go ironically the worse the return on XP:oil becomes

[stark quiver]

Also it takes a long time

[balmy kiln]

For boss fleet can i just unga bunga with bisky nj and shinano and a good vanguard

[viscid swift]

there's basically 0 reason to farm 14-3 for anything

[stark quiver]

Wasting xp

[woven star]

hey how about drop ships... it's more about collections and 14-4... but

[stark quiver]

14-3

[storm heron]

no I was trippin, I forgot what damage plane and heal plane means, they should have meant it clearer with damage mode and heal mode, I mean Duce Degli Abruzzi

[balmy kiln]

Is the boss not that hard?

[viscid swift]

14-3 doesn't have any exclusive drop ships

[stark quiver]

Boss is hard, and you’re wasting xp

[woven star]

I'm almost got Choukai mlb after few thousand millions oils... easy

[balmy kiln]

Sorry, i don't get whats wasting xp? What should i be doing differently

[viscid swift]

anyway, there's something I did as a though exercise a few days ago for W14 if you want a reference

[stark quiver]

Not farming 14-3
You’re using maxed out ships in your fleet

[storm heron]

I think bro's trying to 3*, not farming 14-3, so maxed ships should be fine

[viscid swift]

Alpha, they're trying to 3 star

[storm heron]

the other bro is farming 14-3

[stark quiver]

[balmy kiln]

Im not farming im 3 starring them D:

Lol

[stark quiver]

I got lost

[storm heron]

keyboard acting up

anyways hopefully nobody's farming 14-3 after this one

[worldly pewter]

the xtal is replaceable by the beaver right since it is a limited aux

[viscid swift]

yeah

[storm heron]

:NJ_NotOkay:

[honest stirrup]

Well I might have calculated wrong but
By looking at the oil caps (42 at 12-4 and 45 14-2 for mobs), that's an increase of roughly 7% oil consumption
Meanwhile, the coins earned increases by 12% on average, while exp gains increases by 6.2% for mobs, and 9% at boss fight
So yeah it's not as optimal in terms of exp, but it's still not bad considering I really need coins

[viscid swift]

if you really need coins why aren't you farming 13-4

[storm heron]

uhh, when you look at coin/oil don't you look at the per run oil instead?

[ivory pawn]

14-3 is better than 12-4, but 13-4 and 14-4 are better than both.

[storm heron]

where do you get that calculations

[honest stirrup]

Yeah I intially grinded 13-4 and did see pretty good results so I'll stick to that

[honest stirrup]

Manually

[worldly pewter]

the wiki mentions the coin per oil ratio

[viscid swift]

why when the wiki has most of them laid out

[honest stirrup]

there's no info for 14-3 and 14-4 in that section

[ivory pawn]

I scrolled way way down in the pins to #gameplay-help message

[honest stirrup]

damn;

[viscid swift]

there is, they just didn't finish it but you can still do the basic maths to figure it out

[honest stirrup]

my dumb face insta locked on "average coins map+clear" and didn't see the two colums at it's left

[worldly pewter]

yeah might be bugged or something

[storm heron]

damn 14-3 have lots of coins

[forest palm]

problem is farming after world 13 runs take longer, and longer to complete

[honest stirrup]

That's not a problem imo, it helps the dorm do the magic and I don't watch my fleet while it grinds

[forest palm]

that does nothing ultimately

[woven star]

am? +400 coin? almost all +1coin per oil mean coin amount in map oil price

[storm heron]

well you will be limited by oil anyways

[forest palm]

you'd have to use HELP to give 14-4, and 15-4 value

[storm heron]

huh?

[worldly pewter]

what if the player has all the day to play al ?

[woven star]

bad math. need to figure out

[forest palm]

wouldn't make a difference, time efficiency is just that

[honest stirrup]

Time efficiency seems pretty irrelevant. The biggest stopper is mood and oil anyways, not time

Maybe it's just my way of grinding though? I use the 3x autoclear on a spare phone I sepcifically use for Azur Lane while doing my things, and check every 10 to 15 mins to see if it's done. If I forget the game it automatically closes anyways

[storm heron]

depends on playstyle ™️

[woven star]

@storm heronI mean that 13-4 with 8.04 coin per oil and 12-4 with 6.8 coin per oil mean that on every 317 oil that you spend on 12-4 you loose 317x(8.04-6.8) = 318 coins...so

10k oil will be near 12k coins it's not so big in terms of time and efficiency

[storm heron]

I'm doing 13-4 for the collection anyways, 13-4 is too difficult to efficiently farm ship exp and cats exp

after that BH I'll just go back to 12-4

[shell willow]

being able to farm lower level/bad ships effortlessly in 12-4 is why most people dont farm the higher stages even if they are slightly more coin/oil efficient i think

[woven star]

same, need some better team with more free slots for leveling ships on 13-4

[honest stirrup]

That's mainly why 12-4 is considered by far the best exp+coins grinder, the initial hypothesis with all the 14/13 topic was that the fleet was sufficiently strong while needing to be grinded

[viscid swift]

I've never considered doing it even while leveling strong ships

[storm heron]

definitely considered it once for the 100% collection

[honest stirrup]

I don't understand why though. People were crazy about 12-4 a long time ago with absolutely no regards whatsoever for later stages, but that was before oil cap was a thing iirc, that changed some things

[forest palm]

was, and still is one of the easier maps to farm

especially with gear creep the way it is

[woven star]

and btw Twin 100mm not bad gun... my whole low rate dd ships have it

[honest stirrup]

That's the team I want to grind btw. They crush chap 14 without much trouble even if slightly underlevelled

[hollow gust]

UR spam Classico

[honest stirrup]

notice the level

[tame jungle]

6 UR

[viscid swift]

yeah I typically don't have that concentration of good ships to level

espeically ones that are a few months old

[honest stirrup]

I said that's the team I want to grind, not the team I use in chap 15 😭

[storm heron]

you farmed w14 out of whim

[sweet delta]

Best I can do is Bolzano meta, Omaha, Raleigh

[storm heron]

enjoy your limited time before getting banished to 12-4 when all your URs are maxed

[honest stirrup]

I have no problem with that, I explicitely stated I was grinding chap 14 solely because I could

[ivory pawn]

See if you can beat 14-4 with it. Good opportunity to try to get New Orleans to drop while leveling some ships.

[storm heron]

should try 14-4 so at least you have something like new orleans to potentially dropped

[honest stirrup]

I already have new orleans maxxed out

[honest stirrup]

Btw don't worry about that there's the second wave coming

[shut night]

Guys , I’m new and just started, which of the SR DD should I exchange for the monthly medal event (medal of honor)

Or should I go for bullin

[honest stirrup]

Depends, but it is generally better to max limit break a ship than to get two poor performing ships

It depends though, do you need a DD?

[shut night]

Huh I’m new how to limit break

[ivory pawn]

Pick up Kazagumo.

[shut night]

I’ll show my load out

[viscid swift]

for the reccord, this is why you're running out of coins

[ivory pawn]

Do you have Kazagumo? No? Pick up Kazagumo.

[viscid swift]

you're compressing years worth of limit breaking, awakening, etc, into a few days/weeks

[shut night]

Yh well I’m new so I donno

[storm heron]

no not you

[shut night]

Do I pick kazagumo?

[honest stirrup]

Oh they've been limit broken since months or years for some of them

I just never bothered grinding more than 4 teams so I'm catching up purely in exp

[shut night]

Is kazagumo good? And what does it do

[viscid swift]

well awakening a UR from 115 to 120 is still 15k coins each

[honest stirrup]

that's true

[ivory pawn]

If she wasn't, I wouldn't be pushing her. She'll increase the damage your CVs deal, as well as doing some respectable damage via torps herself. Plus some healing to your CVs as a nice cherry on top.

[shut night]

Ok sounds nice I got her thx

Would volga fit in the team?

[viscid swift]

well you have bigger issues to worry about than raising another CV, like replacing Shimakaze at least

[shut night]

Why replacing shimikaze

She’s UR isn’t that good

[turbid marsh]

well she is an older UR...

[viscid swift]

because you can't max limit break her for quite some time and preferabky won't won't for a long time in favor of other, more impactful URs

[shut night]

NOOOOO :c

[shut night]

I was so happy when I got her

[viscid swift]

a 0 limit break ships is next to useless

might wanna give that another read through
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[shut night]

Ok so I replace shimakaze with kazagumo?

[viscid swift]

not at this stage no

[shut night]

Aight when they are same level?

[shell willow]

you wont be using kazagumo for a long time

[turbid marsh]

0lb ships are... not good. its not like when agir first comes out and dominate at dev5 in terms of tankiness

[shut night]

That makes me quite sad 😔

[viscid swift]

right now what you should be doing is benching Enterprise for a battleship, and replacing the vanguard with Portland, your starter, and Kazagumo

actually no, Kazagumo over Helena is fine

[shut night]

Is Portland epic?

[storm heron]

portland is rare

[viscid swift]

no, she's a rare

[shut night]

Is she good ???

[viscid swift]

yes

[shut night]

I feel absolutely devastated hearing that my team is shiet

[ivory pawn]

It's not that that bad. Just a few too many high rarities, when it's important to max limit break all your ships and you only get so many SR+ bulins every week.

[turbid marsh]

at least you can change now rather than using that stuff later on and realize even further fked....

[shut night]

Would saint louis do? Or monarch? I’m able to research em

[viscid swift]

Saint Louis is a vanguard, not to mentuon you won't be unlocking either for a long time at this rate

[shut night]

Uhh I swear it says 24 hrs or smth

[viscid swift]

let alone get them into usable states

[honest stirrup]

See it differently: if any new player would instantly get a good team, there would be no sense of accomplishments later in the game don't you think?

[viscid swift]

have you actually looked at the missions?
those are just timers to unlock the missions

[shut night]

Hmn yes but it just feels weird using rare ship when I have epic or higher u know

[viscid swift]

higher rarity does not automatically mean better for anything in AL

[shut night]

Nah just looks cool

[ivory pawn]

You'll be turning Portland into an Epic ship later on as well.

[shut night]

Portland 😭

[ivory pawn]

Emphasis on later on, because Unicorn should be your priority when it comes to retrofitting.

[shut night]

Yes I heard that a lot from tutorials

[worldly pewter]

did u play arknight ? or epic 7

[shut night]

Used to play ark night not epic 7

[worldly pewter]

ok then u know that it is quite vital to use lower star characters at the start right ?

[honest stirrup]

Well in arknights you wouldn't spam 6* just because you can, right?

[shut night]

So Bolzano meta not good

[stark quiver]

not rly

[honest stirrup]

you shouldn't use meta ships that early. You can't upgrade skills nor enhance easily

[shut night]

Alright

Should I try to replace her?(bolzano)

[honest stirrup]

Probably yes

[keen sable]

You don't use shitty e0 6* over e2 5*

[soft raft]

Just go follow that newbie guide and stick with the fleet that it gives you

[shut night]

Tf does that mean

[shut night]

:c ok ill do it like a good girl

[wary skiff]

lool guilio meta was one of my first ships I leveled with, got to 110 on her without any skills. meta ships aren’t worth it early

[honest stirrup]

You don't use a base 6* if you have a good upgraded 5*

[keen sable]

So you don't pay arknights??

[shut night]

;-; try to use newbie friendly language

[honest stirrup]

I don't think i can simplify this more than I did

[shut night]

Oke

[soft raft]

more like you're using the wrong game's terms here

[honest stirrup]

He mentioned having played Arknights

So we tried to explain to an Arknight player

[shut night]

I realised there are a lot of Gundam fans playing this game

[shut night]

Haha I was a new ark night played lol I left when I was still a newbie

[worldly pewter]

e0 e1 e2 although i forgot what they are called since i lost my acount years ago
it is the promotion system where after each one the character unlocks new skills and passives it is basically the same here
which do u choose e0 6☆ flag or myrtle e2 who is 4☆

[soft raft]

anyways #off-topic exists

[shut night]

6 star flag

[worldly pewter]

then u don't know how to play ak

[shut night]

.

[soft raft]

Ahem

[honest stirrup]

It's not off-topic, we're just using Arknights as a visual support for Azur Lane mecanics but it obviously won't work

[soft raft]

well corn and abdou seem to be starting to go off topic with their continued chat

[shut night]

I can keep albion right? I love how she spams so many planes and does so much damage

[soft raft]

Iirc you said you have Enterprise
Which she'd be way better than Albion

[honest stirrup]

You quickly need 2 teams though, and he needs to replace Bolzano meta

[worldly pewter]

the limit break system in ak is insanely hard but the description is easy enough
in al the limit break is insanely easy but the description is kinda complicated since it is a different genre and not the classic rpg characters

[sweet delta]

Does Enterprise with bad gear beat Albion with bad gear?

[soft raft]

if he's not at W9 yet then he doesnt need to consider a 2nd team

[shut night]

Yeaaah that’s a question I wanna know . Base on what I know enterprise is shit.

[viscid swift]

at level 62 and LB2 vs level 46 and LB1
I would tend to bet on Albion

[honest stirrup]

I guess so, but getting to w10 comes way quicker nowadays

[viscid swift]

not to mention they have a Kazagumo to work on

[shut night]

Am I available to use a ssr battleship instead of sr>

I rlly rlly don’t wanna use common shit

[soft raft]

what SSR BBs do you have?

[shut night]

No battleships :c

[soft raft]

What
Then why did you even ask- Ugh

[worldly pewter]

focus first on the standard starting fleet then expand from it

[shut night]

Huh nice one

[shut night]

Gamble. 🙂

[worldly pewter]

that if u want to start

[shut night]

I want New Jersey

[soft raft]

High rarity doesnt always mean better btw
This mainly applies to a huge swath of SSR Ships and gear in the perament pools

[viscid swift]

just wait, we have a new UR BB dropping in a few days

[soft raft]

ngl prob dont even need much to safely say the new UR BB would be way better than NJ

[shut night]

Sick

[honest stirrup]

Fr? NJ is still pretty cracked though

[stark quiver]

hi gph

[hollow gust]

not anymore

[sweet delta]

I would bet my NJ that raffaello will be better than NJ

[vale spindle]

i would too

[soft raft]

Compared to most Gold BBs yes
But she's on the lower end of the UR BB Powerscale

[hollow gust]

i would bet all 3 of my 120 NJS

[worldly pewter]

she is in the bottom of the list now
all the modern ur bbs shit on her

[honest stirrup]

oh.

[vale spindle]

still better than most if not all gold BBs though so theres that

[stark quiver]

she got powercrept, but that doesnt make her bad

[honest stirrup]

Well I guess so, considering she carried my team during 15-4

[worldly pewter]

yeah but also not worth investing in her until maybe after 2 years or more

[shut night]

Is Rodney good as battleship?

[soft raft]

Meh

[sweet delta]

Although she's better than the best gold BBs, consider that she requires UR bulins to reach that level

[keen sable]

Then don't and probably suffer but I don't mind

[stark quiver]

she has a good kit and aa boost

[soft raft]

just use Pennsylvania man
at most I'd say Nelson if you can get her in terms of Elite BBs

[honest stirrup]

Wait until he hears about the 76mm blue gun

[inland shoal]

Rodney is just a worse Nelson tbh

[shut night]

Don’t got nelson

[soft raft]

Just use Pennsylvania then

[ivory pawn]

You will eventually, she’s a beginner mission reward. Just use Pennsylvania until then.

[shut night]

Who’s that

[soft raft]

realistically her earliest replacements would be Hood or Nelson

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Pennsylvania

Are you sure you read the newbie guide...

[honest stirrup]

Hey maybe he just forgot the name

[stark quiver]

no

[soft raft]

Cuz this is like at the very top of the guide

[worldly pewter]

yeah the game is kinda hard at the start to grasp all the details

[honest stirrup]

There's like 100 ships introduced at the beginning, even for a history buff it's quite a lot

[shut night]

Yeaah showing me that feels like you guys are throwing a middle finger to all the effort and resource I’ve used on all my so called good ships until you guys told it it’s shit

[viscid swift]

is it?

[soft raft]

Eh not really

[worldly pewter]

but u just started man what effort did u use ?

[soft raft]

It's not like you bricked your acc by raising the wrong ships

[honest stirrup]

We're not saying it's shit, we're saying you took a hard path

[shut night]

Yh

[shut night]

Ik ik

[peak moat]

This game is very forgiving

[worldly pewter]

not when u miss a new ur event

[shut night]

Alr tell me how to WHISEly spend my gems pls?

On starter packs?

[viscid swift]

/gems

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Gem Spending 101

Gems in Azur Lane are fairly rare from an F2P perspective. However, the gacha in Azur lane does not require gems and their main usage is expansion of facilities like dorm, academy, docks and depot, as well as buying resources, resource packs, premium items (rings and name change), and skins.

As an F2P, you can get up to 4700 guaranteed gems (3750 for 3* clearing all 15 main campaign worlds, 800 for completing Bands collection and 150 for 8 days login campaign), not counting random gems from commissions or occasional bonuses from events or other sources.

Considering limited availability of gems for F2P players, even if spent exclusively on QoL upgrades, it is impossible to upgrade everything.

This is the recommended way to spend gems as an F2P:

• 3rd Dorm slot (300 gems)
• Dorm 2nd floor (500 gems)
• Dock space (remaining gems)

The main purpose of the dorm is for faster morale regen while grinding. Using ships with 0 morale will receive a 50% exp penalty and lose affinity.

The 2nd floor of the dorm will have the same number of slots as the 1st floor. While it lacks passive exp gain, it has faster morale regen. 3 dorm slots with the 2nd floor gives you a total of 6 slots, which is enough for your whole mob fleet.

Dock space is the biggest constraint for players. While this can help casual players collect all their waifus, there is also practical use in collecting ships - for later levelling to get their fleet tech on reaching lvl 120. These are important for players as they provide crucial additional stats that help players to tackle the hardest content (W14/15, H.Arbiters, CM).

Alternatively, players may consider getting the 3rd Academy slot for faster skill training or more dorm slots instead of just dock space (not recommended).

While players may opt to buy skins/rings with the F2P gems, this will come at the cost of QoL. It is recommended to only buy those with real money 💳.

[stark quiver]

holy text wall

[worldly pewter]

yeah i don't think he will be reading it

[shut night]

I understand it now.

[soft raft]

3rd dorm slot -> 2nd floor of dorm -> All in on dock space

That's the TLDR of it

[shut night]

All I see is wisdom cube wisdom cube wisdom cube

[honest stirrup]

They didn't forgive me after losing my account with all the Kizuna AI unlocked

[peak moat]

You also don’t need to worry about dock space for a long time

[shut night]

All I hear in my voice *

[honest stirrup]

Again, do not spend cubes yet

Wait for the UR banner

[shut night]

I use this loadout

[worldly pewter]

one of the worst things that u can do in this game is buying cubes with gems

[shut night]

Eeeeh I mean I bought a wedding ring cuz I thought it’d look cook and I’d marry shimikaze (I’m not lesbian) but then I figured out it gives one for free in quest when reaching affinity 100 or smth

[worldly pewter]

it should be fine imo
it is just -60 slots in the end

[honest stirrup]

60?
More like 30, a ring costs 600 gems and 10 slots cost 200 iirc

[shut night]

Ok do I marry shimikaze or not

[worldly pewter]

i have no idea how p2w stuff work so

[shut night]

Yh I’m cooked

[honest stirrup]

The fact that I'm not p2w is precisely why I know the prices

[honest stirrup]

I think you should wait

You haven't seen even 10% of the ships in the game

[ivory pawn]

If you really, really like her that much, sure.

[shut night]

I’m gonna get another ring for free anyways next

[ivory pawn]

No harm in waiting a bit to be sure, neither Shima nor the ring are going anywhere.

[shut night]

Tbf I don’t know what marrying someone in game would do

[honest stirrup]

Rings are really rare in the game. If you're pure f2p, the best you can hope is the one you bought, the one in the quest and then 1 per year.

Small reminder there's 700+ ships you can marry

[shut night]

Alr I brought Helena and pensilvanis

[carmine heath]

you get a ring a year?

[shut night]

She kinda special, I got a UR first pull

[honest stirrup]

Sometimes an oath skin (not always), and a few stats improvement

It's more symbolic if you're not min-maxing

[worldly pewter]

put penn in the middle
port on the left

[shut night]

Man, should I just restart at this point.

[honest stirrup]

I think so? At least that's what I remember

[shut night]

Or make another acc

[honest stirrup]

Why tho

[worldly pewter]

-30 slots in the end

[honest stirrup]

I mean... yeah ok I can see that.

[shut night]

I NEEED TO CATCH UP THE RECOMENDED UNITS. my current average team level is 60

Alr this acc is for collecting

[worldly pewter]

it is better to continue if u want to do something in the new event

[shut night]

Ima make a new acc for the real sigma grind

[shut night]

Am I not allowed if low level

[honest stirrup]

No but all the resource you've got is going to be lost

[ivory pawn]

That part will indeed suck, but in return you already have Shima, you already have cubes, you already have various resources. All of which you’ll be throwing away by restarting.

[worldly pewter]

yes in order to push the hard stages u want 2 fleets which will require some time to do

[crisp raven]

AL is a marathon, not a sprint. if you restart now, the free cubes you could have earned in the next few days for the new event wouldnt have happened. and that could be potentially what makes you miss the new UR. be patient. there are almost 800 unique girls. youre not gonna get the resources for them, nor for the best ones, over night.

[shut night]

Haha my 2nd fleet is dog shit, all under levelled

[honest stirrup]

2nd fleet?

[shut night]

Ok so my current high level units shall turn into my second fleet

U want a picture so bad? U can have it.

[honest stirrup]

Wait you have 2 fleets already?

[wary skiff]

anyway to get some fast oil lol this is bothering me

[shut night]

Yh I’m level 32

[stark quiver]

Money
Also comms, and wait

[shut night]

ME not ships

Oh there is a 3rd fleet

I might be blitzing through this game, I started 4 days ago or 5

[honest stirrup]

Oh ok that kind of fleet. I thought you were already using the 2nd fleet

[worldly pewter]

don't sortie ships under 120 moral to take advantage of the 20% bonus exp for 17% less oil

[shut night]

Nah I just rely on my 1st fleet even tho it’s out of ammo

I mean it works, for now atleast

[ivory pawn]

Anything in your mailbox storage?

[shut night]

2nd fleet

[honest stirrup]

Don't use bullins

[eager mulch]

doesn’t look good, are you even sure you should be using a second fleet?

[crisp raven]

id save oil for the new event coming in 2 days. no need to rush. and def no need to pull storage oil

[shut night]

I don’t use my 2nd fleet

[shut night]

Checked everyday

[wary skiff]

totaally forgot i can spend a dollar for some oil

[worldly pewter]

it will work like that until u have to use 2 fleets to fill some stat requirements in events and hard stages
although 1 fleeting is possible until w12 but for these 2 u want to have other leveled up ships

[shut night]

Dammit

[ivory pawn]

Idk why you’re pinging me, but good. Keep doing that until like w9 or 10 at least.

[stark quiver]

And you should keep forgetting
Because whaling for oil, and for that specifically is a horrific idea

[honest stirrup]

What kind of dollar

[shut night]

AYO pedo (it was missclick btw)

[keen sable]

But they are mlb already

[wary skiff]

Oh ya I’m aware this is just pinging my ocd

[shut night]

Ok so can someone send instruction manual of teams I mean starter thingy

[worldly pewter]

uni penn something port laffey helena

[storm heron]

/guide

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[shut night]

Laffy is fucking shit I ain’t using her AGAIN

[honest stirrup]

What

[stark quiver]

Bro…..

[shut night]

Good boy

[storm heron]

who's doing it for you

[shut night]

Wait is laffy like secretly good

[honest stirrup]

Z23 carried me until w12 and they're basically the same in performances

[shut night]

Aaaaaaah shit I haven’t unlocked annihilation mode

[wary skiff]

Laffey so good they made a second one

[shut night]

So it good ?;-;

[honest stirrup]

Wth is annihilation mode

[worldly pewter]

this isn't ak

[shut night]

200% damage 40% chance ever 20 sec

[viscid swift]

her skill that's locked behind her retro

[keen sable]

Rf skill annihilates stuff I assume

[shut night]

Well well pay to win

[stark quiver]

What’re you paying?

[hollow gust]

Huh? It's only retrofit

[keen sable]

Do you even know how to retro a ship?

[viscid swift]

I don't think you can actually whale for retrofit mats

[shut night]

What’s retrofit

[keen sable]

So why would you say that...

[shut night]

Sounds pay to win

[worldly pewter]

[keen sable]

It's not. Nothing is p2w

[shut night]

AY , I’m new

[keen sable]

You're in the most not p2w game ever

[stark quiver]

If you’re new, then what you should do is follow reccs

[viscid swift]

let me give you some advice then, stop spouting random BS
it's off topic for this channel, and makes things confusing for those of us that are trying to help you

[stark quiver]

[storm heron]

:kekelaugh:

[shut night]

Never seen that

[ivory pawn]

It’s not on every ship, but it’s on quite a lot, including Laffey, Z23, Unicorn, Javelin, to name a few.

[worldly pewter]

u only see that tab on the retrofittable ships such as laffey helena port and unicorn

[viscid swift]

Also for the record, 200% reload stat is not 200% damage

[shut night]

Aaaah fucking skill tree, how did I not notice ??!

[stark quiver]

Idk

[ivory linden]

Skill tree

[honest stirrup]

If your defense, most ships don't have the retrofit tab at all

[worldly pewter]

it is a stat tree mostly

[keen sable]

Shima no tab is 🚮 ?

[sweet delta]

In his offense, we were specifically talking about laffey

[shut night]

All my ssr doesn’t have em

[stark quiver]

Yea

I know that

[viscid swift]

maybe 20% of the ships in this game have retros, if that

[honest stirrup]

In his defense, we started talking about laffey because he didn't see the tab in the first place

[shut night]

So, any recommendation on unlocking the retrofit skill tree first? Or do I JSUT do all

Yeaaaa nvm I might just start again

[viscid swift]

well you should be focusing on Unicorn's retrofit first

[shut night]

On it

[viscid swift]

and the main priority is the modernization mode

[shut night]

But she’s kinda crap with her damage she’s not support and healer

[shut night]

Errrrrrm what’s that

[honest stirrup]

She's the best healer of the game

Simply put

[viscid swift]

good thing doing damage isn't her point
and her retrofit helps with that by giving her a preload

[shut night]

I’ve hear so

[worldly pewter]

don't expect a new player/account to have good damage in 5 days while playing blind

[shut night]

Collecting goods

I might just restart I cba to continue in this hideous speedrun for UR and new ssrs

[viscid swift]

restarting will gain you nothing

[worldly pewter]

the ship performance comes from 3 main sources
1 is gear 2 is levels 3 is skill levels

[shut night]

But the many mistakes I’ve lost

[honest stirrup]

What mistakes

[shut night]

Could’ve been restarted

[worldly pewter]

600 gems for the ring most likely

[viscid swift]

any mistakes you've made in 5 days of playing can't be bad enough to be worse than losing 5 days of progress and starting over from nothing

[shut night]

Lemme think…..

[honest stirrup]

Bro is fixated on this like having bought a singular ring is the worst heresy possible and would be sentenced to hanging in the 1760s

[normal beacon]

Can anyone build me 2 teams? To do story, Im on 13-1 for context

[stark quiver]

yes

[viscid swift]

for what content exactly?

[normal beacon]

I haven't played in a bit

story ;d

[stark quiver]

wat chaoter

[normal beacon]

im on 13-1

[honest stirrup]

Having a level 125 NJ and still having not even started Akashi's quest feels funny

Nevermind, having A LOT of 125 ships

[shut night]

600 on wedding ring, 600 on 22 wisdom cubes, lvl20 pack(340 gems or smth) spent all my wisdom cubes ,(I’m on 119 pity)

[stark quiver]

minor setback

[viscid swift]

if you're not gonna spend real money on the game that might actually be worth restarting

[honest stirrup]

Yeah no these 600 gems spent on cubes is deadly

[shut night]

So any recommendations on quickly getting levels

[stark quiver]

push campaign

[shut night]

Alr bettt

Ima do it, I saved my email on this acc anyways, I’ll use another one

[sweet delta]

🧵 ~~~~📣

[shut night]

If I download the Chinese version would I get more rewards or like stuff? E.g like in battle cats

[honest stirrup]

no

[shut night]

Ok

[normal beacon]

?

[viscid swift]

Mob: Vanguard, Saratoga, Unicorn, Roon, Yuudachi, San Fransisco
Boss: Musashi, Shinano, Enterprise, Kronshtadt, Helena, San Diego

[shut night]

Is there a guide pls send I will go follow it

[wary skiff]

ooo i actually have most of those ships

[stark quiver]

im sure ppl sent it multiple times

[viscid swift]

uhh, just switch to a different server, progress isn't carried over even on the same account

[shut night]

Oh it is thx for that

[ivory spruce]

Bro how long does it take to craft a singular piece of rainbow gear in gear lab? I’m grinding OS and I’m finally on chapter 5, been slowly but surely getting gold mats. Any tips on how to get them faster or more of them?

[shut night]

🙏🙏🙏

[viscid swift]

without one time sources about 2-3 months

[keen sable]

Ops exists. There's no need to suffer or whale

[stark quiver]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[shut night]

Danke

[rigid onyx]

im about halfway done with main fleet tech and i still haven't done akashi quest

[wary skiff]

true but it was cathartic, was already out of action points in ops, commisions on cd, and out of oil lmao, just finished felix schultz and now working on hindenburg lol

[shut night]

One question,Just curious did y’all also followed the instructions or advice?

[viscid swift]

I didn't and payed quite heavily for it

[wary skiff]

no, i just did whatever i wanted in the beginning and then learned about all my fuckups

[storm heron]

we did like a good commander

[honest stirrup]

Try to work on Guam if you can. She's an amazing tank and all-rounder

[shut night]

I was gonna say good boy u stole my line

[normal beacon]

Thanks a lot, but what about my other URs? are they useless or

[rigid onyx]

minor grammatical error

[wary skiff]

like, i spent all the free gems on oil then proceeded to dump all that oil into the commision that uses 1200 or whatever oil lmaoa

[normal beacon]

I see I see

[viscid swift]

they're not max limit broken so yes

[keen sable]

No, easy win did not exist back then.

[stark quiver]

back in my day
i didnt have access to any guides

[normal beacon]

what about Yowkrtown II Implacable and Bismarck Zwei

[shut night]

Wait now I restarted who do I pick kms z23, uss laffey or javelin

[wary skiff]

i started a couple months ago

[shut night]

laffy?

[normal beacon]

but are they worth? in which order should I max them

[honest stirrup]

Implacable is pretty good for chap 15's support fleet
Bismarck Zwei and York II are replacable so not a priority

[rigid onyx]

reducing implac to w15 support is burying the lead

[wary skiff]

implacable and replacable hmm

[viscid swift]

well yes
something like Bismarck Zwei/Rafaello -> Implacable -> Yorktown 2 -> Guam

[storm heron]

Rafaello

[normal beacon]

Guam last 😭

[stark quiver]

we know how good the new ship gonna be?

[honest stirrup]

No way you just put guam last

[viscid swift]

I did indeed

[honest stirrup]

She's one of the best tanks
Certainly better than roon

[viscid swift]

Anchorage and Agir are coinable

[rigid onyx]

and main fleet ships are certainly more impactful towards progression

[viscid swift]

not to mention they have Kronshtadt, nor is Guam needed for W13

[normal beacon]

ill take ur word for this

[rigid onyx]

just check back in like a week once we know how good the new Ur is

[worldly pewter]

z23 and laffey are very comparable
pick whichever u like

[honest stirrup]

Last time I checked Guam is just a lot better in plane focused levels

[viscid swift]

no but I hedging my bets a bit

[rigid onyx]

gacha URs have consistently been top tier though, usually slightly power creeping the last

[viscid swift]

you do know W13 has been power crept to hell and back right?

[normal beacon]

@viscid swift for equipmenet should I look at that tierlist site?

[viscid swift]

it would be best to supplement it with Sam's gear guide in #bot-spam /equip

[honest stirrup]

Yeah that's why I'm seeing forward for later worlds where Roon will be irrelevant

[rigid onyx]

and w13 is less necessary for progression compared to stabilizing an opsi fleet

[viscid swift]

they're not looking to do W15 anytime soon?

[worldly pewter]

w15 and w13h that is it
so the other ships have more domains of applicability

[stark quiver]

other tanks exist

[viscid swift]

so why would that be particularly relevant

[stark quiver]

by the time they get to w15 theyll prob have more bulins

[viscid swift]

not to mention Roon is ready to go right now

[normal beacon]

@viscid swift also did I miss out on crazy releases or something?

[viscid swift]

you last played around December 2023/January 2023 yeah?

[worldly pewter]

do u have z52 ?

[viscid swift]

you missed a few URs but nothing too game changing

and a collab if you care about that

[normal beacon]

nah

oh yea a new amagi

[normal beacon]

nope

[viscid swift]

Soyuz, Mogador, Alsace, Eldridge retro, Amagi CV, Fritz Rumey, and Z52 to be precise

[sweet delta]

Bismarck Zwei is replaceable
You already know raffaello's skills?

[worldly pewter]

z52 is one of the most broken vanguards in the game i think it should be a notable miss

[viscid swift]

uhhh

not really, she's good, but hardly irreplacable

[rigid onyx]

basically every ur is a miss but theres nothing that's really to be sad about

[normal beacon]

how do i go on these first is best or?

purple better than rainbow is crazy if so

[viscid swift]

read the descriptions and check on the situation you're using her in

[worldly pewter]

if the description is hard to be understood u can ask here

[normal beacon]

bet

[wary skiff]

Is z52 ever gonna come back? I’m pretty sure I started just after she came out

[viscid swift]

yes, she'll rerun in due time

not for 2 years give or take but she'll rerun

[wary skiff]

I was reading something like “2 years”

[viscid swift]

yeah that's the standard for reruns

[wary skiff]

Wack, I really want more destroyers

[worldly pewter]

if they keep the same pattern it should be in 23 months

[normal beacon]

Is New Jersey that bad that Im not using her? @viscid swift

I remember she was my fav 😭 With Bremerton

[stark quiver]

there are better options

[viscid swift]

she's just superfluous

[normal beacon]

does azur lane have a pc client? its been years

[little tree]

Is shina one of the best for aa on w15 if I already have sandy

[stark quiver]

shimanto is good for aa yes

[normal beacon]

NO WAY BRO

[little tree]

Perfect I'll drop brest and focus her

[stark quiver]

brest is a good tank for w15

[stark quiver]

use a emulator if you want

[stark quiver]

just do them one at a time

[little tree]

Is she good enough at dev 25 I only have 300 bp

[rigid onyx]

shimanto is also notable because of the burn cure helps a lot with consistency

[stark quiver]

shes decent at d25
but you need better account power to patch that spot up

[rigid onyx]

for w15 I wouldn't even consider any d25 ship tbh

[little tree]

Yeaa ill just skip her for now

I need evey % of power i can have

Also how good is Shimas gun special aa ?

[viscid swift]

it isn't

[rigid onyx]

I believe you get it for free at fs5 anyways now

no need to run her cl gun for it

[little tree]

I was going to but that cl gun on someone if it was good but knowing it's bad I won't

[worldly pewter]

that is the reason they did her fs5

[little tree]

[sonic relic]

How do I recover my account?

[stark quiver]

contact customer support

[sonic relic]

Where do I contact that?

[stark quiver]

#tech-support
they should have the recources pinned

[sonic relic]

Got it. Thanks

[mellow cape]

Use an emulator like BlueStacks

[wary skiff]

bluestacks works fine

[rigid onyx]

somehow BlueStacks runs worse than my phone

[stark quiver]

are coins/exp/oil rates same from cn to en

[stark quiver]

poor optimization

[rigid onyx]

and the other one I saw recommended here wasn't any better

[stark quiver]

use mumu

it just depends on your computer

[wary skiff]

i think the only time ive had issue with it was if im running something like monster hunter or helldivers and it those 2 games like to absorb as much pc power as they can, can't watch youtube while running those games + azur lane at the same time with an i9-12900k and 3090ti and 64gb of ddr5

it goes to snail speed

[stark quiver]

i cant run azuzu + minecraft
be grateful

[rigid onyx]

that's the one that I tried yeah, it was capping out at like 10 frames on the menus for some reason even though they e settings were defaults and had the same issue when I moved the caps up

I wanted to test if frames affected dps

[wary skiff]

HAHAHAHA i totally forgot thats a thing in some games like black desert online

[rigid onyx]

it's probably a thing in al

[wary skiff]

it was so cringe that if you had above 120 fps you would be able to dump damage and get extra hits on a target but if you were sub 120 a lot of hits wouldn't register

[rigid onyx]

it's a thing in a MMO I play too

[wary skiff]

and that game REALLY like to steal your computers soul

[stark quiver]

my game ran black and white during w15 grind

[wary skiff]

maddening

[rigid onyx]

does that even do anything measurable

[stark quiver]

i passed w15

i let the game play itself and didnt touch anything

[fluid compass]

Is Warspite RF a decent replacement for someone like Nelson?

[stark quiver]

no

[fluid compass]

Ah. Is she just bad then?

[hushed sorrel]

you may not be a tech freak but its imiates a complete different system with all background stuff and co thats needed to run a system. it can only perform worse then the actual system

[crimson grove]

I was just about to say virtualisation. Comment stolen.

[fluid compass]

Damn. Thanks anyway!

[frank pulsar]

not bad, just not worth the retro considering cost to performance
and she needs retro to be decent

[fluid compass]

What ships are considered worth it to retro? The only SR ship I have rf is Yuudachi atm.

[keen sable]

unicorn

[fluid compass]

I was gonna go for San Diego next though

[frank pulsar]

unicorn, portland, saratoga, independence, nelson, etc

[fluid compass]

Oh, sorry I meant what ships that are gold as a base, and become rainbow after RF.

[frank pulsar]

just san diego imho

[stark quiver]

[frank pulsar]

yuudachi is kinda not worth it anymore for same reasons as warspite

[fluid compass]

Ah. Well, I think Yuudachi does really well, personally.

Idk, she's almost the best ship on my team lol

[frank pulsar]

if you've already finished her retrofit just keep using her

[fluid compass]

Yeah, well I have no other ships that can replace her atm anyway.

[stark quiver]

[fluid compass]

Is Felix Schultz a good DD? I'm working on her rn.

[frank pulsar]

good tank with decent dmg iirc

[stark quiver]

nothing impressive

[fluid compass]

Well, I have no shortage of tanks, but whatever.

I'll probably just go for Sandy next then. Thanks!

[sharp socket]

3 scan

[sweet delta]

#trophy-room

[sharp socket]

even with barrage still cant 1shot

[viscid swift]

you'll get there eventually

[sharp socket]

why trophy, not 1shot, my question is how improve

[stark quiver]

taihoumeta's vanguard pressure is rather low, do you have sirius?

[sharp socket]

helena tends to pop when i put her main tank and sirius replace sandy

[storm heron]

does helena survive?

[stark quiver]

sirius tank

[sharp socket]

also sandy keeps the backline hidden

[stark quiver]

ouh

[storm heron]

afaik unzen does but when I swap to helena I explode

[sharp socket]

i dont have 3 URAA

[stark quiver]

what if they dont have unzen

[storm heron]

he definitely don't

try pearl sirius yeah

[stark quiver]

run a UR aa on helena, and then 90mms on sirius and kaza, pray it works

[sharp socket]

oh my sirius not 125

[stark quiver]

usable at 120

[storm heron]

wait if cele have eld then have you tried ark-eld

[sharp socket]

i have no ark

if i can figure out how to farm 6-3 without spending 20k oil ill do it

[stark quiver]

sirius

[storm heron]

time to try sirius pearl first

[sharp socket]

alr

[sweet delta]

I had no problems with Helena main tank

[worldly pewter]

the question is why are u using avp against heavy and where is ur eld ?

[sharp socket]

AMSNHK+E aka 3xIJN+eld does worse than AMSNAvP because nothing hits

[worldly pewter]

maybe because rld issues

[sharp socket]

this is readable trust me

[sharp socket]

12 rld gaming

everyone on beacon to fit helena 3 scan

i ve never seen 3xIJN+E do more than 1.3m after like 30 runs of it

[worldly pewter]

i think it needs 30 rld to have everything fitting barely especially the last scan which is the 3rd

without beacons and sg

[worldly pewter]

can u show again their gear ?

[keen sable]

bad helena bad

[worldly pewter]

the hksnam e

[obsidian ivy]

Is frontline HIT tech worth pursuing

[keen sable]

actually it's pretty hopeless without placy probably

[sharp socket]

is AMSNHK+EH more readable or hakunanocvmagi eld helena

[stark quiver]

you should send the acronym sheet
and tbh its really creative

[worldly pewter]

yeah just wait a month for implacable imo this seems hopeless

avp is just 🚮

[grizzled sundial]

Save UR bulin for implacable or the next UR BB ? I can only afford 4 .

[stark quiver]

Nobody knows how good the new UR is gonna be

[rigid onyx]

is frontline vanguards or main fleet

i assume vanguard

[worldly pewter]

u know that 2 ur events is 2 bulins and another month is 1 bulin this pass if u didn't claim it is another bulin
unless u are counting these then yeah it will depend on what u have and ur hopes and dream

[grizzled sundial]

I have stock york 2 sitting in the dock , bulin shortage is real

[obsidian ivy]

Ty for reminding me implac event will have a bulin, I'll be completely caught up with bulin debt finally

[polar lion]

What AMNSHKE?

[worldly pewter]

u can be caught up with bulin dept unless u are pitying so many banners or a 2y+ old player who doesn't miss anything

[worldly pewter]

amagi shinano haku eld

[polar lion]

Oo

[obsidian ivy]

Let's just say I took a break before Amagi

[storm heron]

NS new shinano?

[worldly pewter]

it is hard to define being caught up in ur bulins then

[obsidian ivy]

No longer needing to wait to uncap URs

[mossy void]

That took me a bit to figure out ngl

[obsidian ivy]

Who even uses that short form tho...

[rigid onyx]

this channel is horrid with abbreviations in general

[sharp socket]

do you rally want it

[worldly pewter]

yeah it is hard to define it for someone who took a break
usually how i define it is play consistently and get the ur along the way
if someone skips the ur banners and shops because these double ur events are the ones adding salt to the wound then imo we can't call it being caught up

[sharp socket]

i just use it for my own use

[sweet delta]

RF is the new UR

Let's hope she doesn't explode in 2 seconds

[sharp socket]

i just use it to keep track of whatever gph comes up with

[obsidian ivy]

IP for implac certainly is a first

[rigid onyx]

this second column is unhinged

and then there's agir agir

[obsidian ivy]

Just use the common forms bro

[sharp socket]

the second column is my own use, so i understand it

im making an acronym list for all the gears too with pics

but it only has common shortform, doc soon

[wind hazel]

i will call you rio from now on

[rigid onyx]

c

[inner delta]

dont use those acronyms when helping new player

[forest palm]

you'd think that obvious

[sharp socket]

once again the second column is for my own use because im lazy to type

[inner delta]

its not obvious enough for some people

[rigid onyx]

tbf people use acronyms for basically every gun

[sharp socket]

my doc will be for all the stuff that other people commonly use

[little tree]

U forgot lusty

[forest palm]

which I wish would stop, it's just jebberish at some point

[sharp socket]

like roomba, URAA, champy gun, flandre gun etc

[inner delta]

theres 2 ur aa

[rigid onyx]

uraa doesnt work anymore

[sweet delta]

There's only one relevant UR AA

[sharp socket]

im calling the new one frog AA based on suchi vid

[mossy void]

"Cat AA"

[little tree]

Old ur aa and useless ur aa

[forest palm]

it's just a Twin 76 Mk 37

[sharp socket]

old one iris AA, new one frog AA

[viscid swift]

tbf, some of the names are just impossible to remember

[mossy void]

Why frog btw

[rigid onyx]

it looks vaguely like an animal

[forest palm]

my thing is it's much easier to just say the localized gun name, and any player can just google that

[worldly pewter]

look closely

[inner delta]

yea, thats why some just send link or picture to the gear itself

[rigid onyx]

How do people even know who poikai is without being told

[mossy void]

But whenever I talk to people they see a cat

[little tree]

Yea just like borfo aa is a good aa

[forest palm]

bofors is like throwing a dart lol

[viscid swift]

like, take the Champagne gun for instance
it's official name in EN is the "Prototype Triple 406mm /50 Main Gun Mount"
it's not the name that the wiki uses its page and there's multiple Triple 406/50s in game

[rigid onyx]

can't say the frog works when there's clearly ears and then eyes below the ears

[sharp socket]

i know what most gear shortform is and the gph shortform

[mossy void]

Yeah I don't see a frog. At all. And I'm trying lol

[forest palm]

as far as I know it's the only one localized as such even if all 406mm should be written as such

[worldly pewter]

i use 406mm 50mle for new players it should be accurate right ??

[inner delta]

who tf cares frog cat bull dog

[mossy void]

I care guhehe

[viscid swift]

it is but it's not even the official EN name is what I'm getting at
not exactly the most straightforward either

[sharp socket]

but if you ask me the difference between triple 406mm mk6, prototype triple 406mm mk6, triple 406mm mk7, triple 406mm /50 and triple 406mm, only a player that reads the wiki thoroughly or has sat in gph for a long timecan tell the difference

[rigid onyx]

if you google it and it's the first result if you append al or azur lane to it it's good enough

[forest palm]

you wouldn't need to tell the difference, because those are specific

[sweet delta]

Is Triple 203mm (8"/55 Mk 15 SHS) any good

[rigid onyx]

for really new players just append the image

[viscid swift]

Baltimore Gun is ok

[forest palm]

and Suchi with the troll post

[stark quiver]

Nice
I have start using it

[forest palm]

actually proves the point of "just google it"

[slim dawn]

send w15 mobfleet

i forgot what ships to use lmao

[forest palm]

[slim dawn]

thanks thanks

[rigid onyx]

why main tank eld

[sharp socket]

9 iris AA

[worldly pewter]

also we need the new aa

[forest palm]

dodge tank

[slim dawn]

wth

[viscid swift]

blame a certain someone for not updating their site in time when I made that

[slim dawn]

i dont have that AA

[viscid swift]

but no, the gearing is not something I would recc

[sweet delta]

Good, make the newer UR AA instead

[keen sable]

don't bother

[viscid swift]

that was just a thought exercise

[slim dawn]

wait lemme send my ships ill make a thread

[sharp socket]

this works sometimes for me

[rigid onyx]

were u trying to build without guam or laffii

[slim dawn]

i have both

[worldly pewter]

if u will use brest u can keep the iris 57mm one

[viscid swift]

the person I was building for didn't have either of them

[sharp socket]

does hit stat affect support fleet

[sweet delta]

Meanwhile, they had 9 57mms

[misty tree]

Is Daisen gun a usable gun on sushi in W15 or am i trying to reinvent the wheel?

[viscid swift]

nah, they just wanted to see what a maxed gear version of it would look like
so I obliged them

[sweet delta]

By less than a percent or maybe I'm off by an order of magnitude and it's 0.1%

[sharp socket]

yes but twin 410 kai is preferred

[misty tree]

Because its HE?

[slim dawn]

Fleet build

[sweet delta]

Because it's fast

According to tests with a sample size of one sortie each, +13 daisen gun is similar to +11 twin 410 kai

[worldly pewter]

it is that trash vs mobs

[elfin hollow]

chat how does new ur look like

[inner delta]

#jp-sardegna-livestream-discussion all image from stream

[sweet delta]

You can see her look in #game-news

[elfin hollow]

I only got 172 cubes...HELP

as newbie

[rigid onyx]

that's enough if you have average luck

at least for the upcoming event

[elfin hollow]

thanks

[elfin hollow]

I remember I was getting ur early like less than 100 cubes usually

[forest palm]

that's an ok amount to start with, the event hasn't started, you're new so there's a lot of sources for cubes, and there's 2 weeks in the event

[rigid onyx]

for a total banner sweep its ~206 cubes on average

[elfin hollow]

ok phew

[rigid onyx]

what's the new asw plane claled

[forest palm]

Fairey Gannet

[little tree]

How good is the new ur aa?

[rigid onyx]

it's the best aa gun in every case, but is still an aa gun so it's not the most important for general content

aside from stuff like fp on vanguards which might be better idrk

[slow fox]

BINOMIAL DISTRIBUTION MENTIONED

[rigid onyx]

it was just a mc sim

not a mcmc sim because im stupid

a poissonian with a spike at 200 makes perfect sense though

and a thin tail

[wary skiff]

What’s a corona preferita

[keen sable]

it's like a white shell for marco but worse?

[wary skiff]

Ahh

[rigid onyx]

when's the last time a 7-day-quest for gear has been good

[storm heron]

em commands and usb stick

[rigid onyx]

oh usb stick is kinda fire when you aren't running champy gun

or rather a gun with more spread than champy

[rigid onyx]

when i made mc sims for how many rolls it would take to sweep banners the graph looked imperfect w/ only 50k trails so I increased it to 1m before sending a result anywhere

smth smth data tells no lies, statistics do

[slow fox]

In python, too 😭

[storm heron]

matplotlib moment

[rigid onyx]

im an eng major not a cs major ok....

[inner delta]

[rigid onyx]

it only took like 20m to run through on this shitter laptop

if i did it on my workstation it probably wouldve been done an order or two faster

[storm heron]

103 cubes is very interesting tho

truly the most f2p friendly game

[little tree]

Whats the ehp between brest and agir assuming both are 125

[slow fox]

Agir - 158
Brest - 140

[rigid onyx]

keep in mind agir's ehp is tied to having natural heavy armor so torp heavy content hits her ehp a lot

so brest performs better in w15 im fairly sure

[little tree]

What about kron and brest

[slow fox]

Brest is mobbing vangaurd queen due to her heal anyways -

[rigid onyx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit?gid=1013080823#gid=1013080823 just bookmark megpt's spreadsheet

[little tree]

Tank you now I have this

[slow fox]

Kron - 128

[little tree]

Dang that's low

[eager mulch]

mebot who is baseline for dps chart

[rigid onyx]

amagi-chan!

[slow fox]

No consensus on that. When we get all the vets and guidemakers to agree on a baseline, that will be it.

[rigid onyx]

you could make the baseline 1.6m/number of seconds in a meta fight

[storm heron]

/6

[rigid onyx]

instead of a ship

[eager mulch]

forget about the vets, follow your dreams mebot

[slow fox]

I don't want to attach it to such a specific situation, because then it's hard to generalize, y'know.

[eager mulch]

it’s your chart, do whatever you want with it

[little tree]

Tell the guide makers it what you set it to

[storm heron]

yeah, for people who don't like mebot chart, go make their own chart

[rigid onyx]

The thing is ehp is necessarily tied to having the unit measurement being another ship but for dps you could find something else to peg it to

[little tree]

~~ amagi chan as baseline ez~~

[slow fox]

Not necessarily - it's really just a number, right? The problem solved by using "portland" is that no one really has an intuitive sense of what 16033 is but Portland is a thing that most/everyone has experienced.

[little tree]

Can't you just run anti torpedo bulge to off set that

[inner delta]

@boreal wagon do you have aa calculator

[rigid onyx]

why would you do that when you can give a more tanky ship for that specific content an anti torp bulge

[little tree]

~~ cause brest take to many bp~~

[slow fox]

-# I'm being competed against
-# I think SuchiMisinformation has one

[inner delta]

what competed

[little tree]

Sushi spread misinformation ?

[inner delta]

yours is a sheet of aa list
what i was asking was an actual calculator where you can input aa gun and ship and get result

[slow fox]

-# Whoops I'm illiterate teehee

[plain saffron]

Quick create one

[slow fox]

Nah. If I make one that guidemakers approve, it gets used more.

[little tree]

Mebot is professional programmer

[plain saffron]

Mebot is a bot

[sudden folio]

how good is Triple 283mm (SK C/34) for bbs that have barrages that proc on firing

they aren't on the ectl but fast fire rate

[slow fox]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zNc57P1oXEWmRb3vRD-4a1lFanH7A0aAGRctt3U7ysI/edit?gid=876795721#gid=876795721
done

credit to @ nch

We're still ironing the kinks out, no publish

[plain saffron]

Truly advanced AI

[keen sable]

maybe they forgot about it or maybe it's because it's trash

[crisp raven]

As a semi serious suggestion, why not use Portland for the dps benchmark as well? New players looking to take fleetbuilding seriously are already told to not use Eugen since Port does more. She's easily recognized. And by the time someone needs better vg dps, they'll understand how Port stacks up against the "premiere" ships. Waiting for the "benchmark" ship to appear will result in the goalpost being forever moved.

[sudden folio]

i see why, no ap

[inner delta]

using barrage gun on bb is sometime just a scam, you barely get enough to fire another and your dmg is much lower

[little tree]

Quad 40mm borfors or roomba for Cheshire

[slow fox]

I'm unironically a big fan of using Portland for the benchmark exactly for the initial reasons you've outlined.

[inner delta]

then just use her

[slow fox]

I'm waiting for someone else to come by and give me a good reason not to. Something like:

"But Drake is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever something something playerbase 👍 "

[inner delta]

it doesnt stop you from using portland for ehp

[keen sable]

because 1000 is perfectly understandable

[rigid onyx]

little bel is clearly the superior benchmark

[little tree]

Drake is dated and pricy

[inner delta]

why stop now

[crisp raven]

But Port is more "required" than Drake. Vets can assess better, but new players can find Port to be familiar in dps comparisons.

[keen sable]

60 seconds later you have 60,000. what does 16,603 mean?

port sucks though

if anyone is the dps leader in newbie fleet it's helena

[rigid onyx]

dps as a unit is more valuable than whatever unit ehp uses

[slow fox]

I think this was something totally socially engineered by me shoehorning Portland in there (thanks Sam) and everyone just rolled with it

[storm heron]

time to make the edps comparison dynamic

[inner delta]

just make everyone roll with it a 2nd time then

[slow fox]

However, it's just a benchmark. It's dividing by whatever feels good. The math is the important part.

[inner delta]

its literally irrelevant who you put as the benchmark because its a benchmark

and your thing is always portland so keep using her

[rigid onyx]

ultimately the value of the list is to create an ordinal ranking where one can make direct comparisons between different ships. Whatever unit is used doesn't matter except for aesthetics sake

damn unit is a double entendre

[little tree]

No dive bombers have passive intercept correct ?

[slow fox]

I think it's also just a good conversation to have because it forces

[vale spindle]

I think using one of the starters as the benchmark is better cause everyone uses a starter in their dps slot for a long time so they know what it feels like

[viscid swift]

that's what I said

[slow fox]

2 important opinions here HATE portland

[sweet delta]

You mean a starter with twin 120mm, zero tech, and no augment?

[vale spindle]

Same with portland too
It's literally just a divide iterator so why not just have 3 columns for port starter helena

[rigid onyx]

i think having 3 different columns is the worst solution tbh

[vale spindle]

probably yea cause confusion

worst case I'll peer pressure mebot into something reasonable don't worry

[rigid onyx]

It's really easy to make it more complicated than it has to be (geometric mean between all the ships or smth), but ultimately the unit used doesn't really affect anything

[slow fox]

Most important consideration is normalized gear

[viscid swift]

if no one comes up with anything I'll just push Belfast

[vale spindle]

[vale spindle]

Yes but nobody uses her

I think a frequently used ship is better

[sharp socket]

hi gph what is cooking this time

[slow fox]

MebotDPS

[inner delta]

sam, its literally doesnt matter who its a benchmark

[vale spindle]

which ships and gear should benchmark a dps calc 100%

[inner delta]

often use less use it literally irrelevant

[sharp socket]

oh this again
i suggest ply, but like nimi would be better i think

[sudden folio]

OMG ITS THE SAMHEART

[nimble knoll]

Would Awakening Ships Be Good Rn? (Or only after the UR Event/When I get the UR)

[sudden folio]

HII

[vale spindle]

If its too strong then it unfairly rates good ships
and on the opposite end it overrates the top ships
It's important to get this right

[inner delta]

if not alot of coin then wait

[sweet delta]

No veteran player or theorycrafter has a feeling for starter DD dps

[nimble knoll]

Aight

[slow fox]

I do.

[crisp raven]

save the gold to pull for the ships. then wait to see how good they are.

[inner delta]

ya but to a certain point which like belfast, starter, portland is in the middle

[vale spindle]

no portland is the tank in that fleet

[inner delta]

[vale spindle]

i gotta go now mebot will update me on important relevant topics anyways

[sharp socket]

if its a chart for new players something easily recognisable like starter dd would be good

[stark quiver]

wuts cookinhg

[crisp raven]

peer pressuring mebot

[rigid onyx]

the issue with a starter DD is that only 1/3 of players will experieced with each individual DD but like 50% of players have used portland

[sudden folio]

true lowkey i haven't touched any of the otehr starter dds

[storm heron]

is it possible to make it so you can choose what ship as baseline

[slow fox]

Not only possible, but easy.

[storm heron]

and then we can choose what team and what equips as well as what boss they are fighting nvm it kinda sounds familiar

[slow fox]

We haven't thought that far yet, especially standardized equipment

[stark quiver]

mebot if i pointed to you, would you make DPS sheet in one day

[slow fox]

The first step is to calculate Portland's DPS. Then I'd show it to Sagi, Sam, Suchi, SJimmy, SCheeky, etc.

[storm heron]

Jimmy

[sweet delta]

Rejected due to hit rate, reload time, absolute cooldown, and gun jamming.

[molten zinc]

crit

[forest palm]

[stark quiver]

the dps metrics will forever be "good,meh,bad, "

[storm heron]

or null

[slow fox]

Why are you content creator and what channel

[storm heron]

#media-content message

[slow fox]

subscribed

[stark quiver]

i made a guide on how to find the guild shop.
oh yea also purple role looks nice

[hoary relic]

what should i spend my gems as a newbie? expending my dock?

[stark quiver]

do /gems in bot spam

[sharp socket]

dorm 3rd slot and 2nd floor and then dockspace

[obsidian cliff]

okay boyz, been playing for two months now,are these two fleets decent? (been farming 9-1, pushing for 11-1, mob: chien wu 120, fu po 100, blucher 100, unicorn retro 120, hood 100, stratoga 120).Boss: portland retro 120, laffey retro 120, helena retro 120, Pennsylvania 120, taihou 100, enterprise 120

[stark quiver]

fu po 💀

[boreal wagon]

more or less, my calculator does do averaged reload and total dps, you'd have to enabled damage calcs in the settings though and not sure if itll be what you are after

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ is the link in case u need it again (a bit of a pain on mobile tho fyi)

[obsidian cliff]

cant replace her yet lmao, i want too tho

[fickle hollow]

For Opsi fleet who would work good with Soyuz ,Nakhimov (i dont have Fritz and Yorktown 2)

[stark quiver]

bro missed fritz

[fickle hollow]

Amagi is in Shinano fleet

[stark quiver]

i mean it looks fine
its workable thats for sure

[storm heron]

other than the random fu po, the fleet looks ok

[obsidian cliff]

indeed, im jus excited for my first ur event coming up to replace some people lmao

[obsidian cliff]

gotchu

[storm heron]

hakuryuu

[fickle hollow]

[storm heron]

ngl soyuz nakh haku looks fire

[obsidian cliff]

question, would kiev be better to replace than fu po?

[echo nexus]

would i be able to get some help putting together fleets for opsi and gearing them?
(i’ll put who i have in a thread)

[storm heron]

kiev is much stronger than fu po but in the endgame she is not used anymore, maybe you have better options

[mossy void]

Meanwhile I make oath videos guhehe

[obsidian cliff]

what about fu shun?

[inner delta]

thx

[stark quiver]

very very good improvement

[obsidian cliff]

bet

[cerulean musk]

how important are felix schultz and flandre fate sim?

[frank pulsar]

idk abt felix, but flandre was already strong before fate sim iirc
just get their fate sims, no point in skipping them anyway

[cerulean musk]

was thinking if i should switch focus to s7

[mossy void]

I'm wondering if this is okay for W15-4. For 15-3 I took out Shimanto for Eldridge and idk if I should put her back in or put Eldridge some place else.

Or switch out Yorky2 even

[sweet delta]

you can put shimanto back and eldridge to replace jeanne

[mossy void]

What about Yorky2? I have everyone at dev30 (I'm only missing Houston 2), so can recommend me anyone, unless she's 100% fine

[clever escarp]

Are there more ways to make the gunboats spew more bullets?

[viscid swift]

you mean besides getting better gun boats

[dire burrow]

Can someone help me with fleet building for w13 and 14? Havent done campaign in a while

[stark quiver]

autoloaders

[sharp socket]

bullet spammers include both tashkents

sandy also spews alot of bullets while doing good damage

tai yuan can also spew alot of bullets from her aoa and similarly does good damage

[oak sage]

Do we know when the next UR banner is?

[storm heron]

this thursday

[oak sage]

Oh ok

[stone sluice]

Is it not this Thursday?

[stark quiver]

its this thurs

[oak sage]

Is it a rerun or a new?

[stark quiver]

new, ittalian

[stone sluice]

New

[oak sage]

Ooooooh

[novel condor]

Make a thread and post your dock in it

[dire burrow]

W13 and 14 fleet help

[stark quiver]

its this thursday not next thursday

[storm heron]

yeah that

[fickle hollow]

During this event will there be any new Gem packs?

[storm heron]

is this good for CM?

[stark quiver]

try it out

but 155 kai on helena

[inner delta]

i was thinking more of a specific calc for aa like you can change the ship and the aa mount it would show stat like if the ship has ghost aa or special aa then what the detail range, hitrate etc etc. smth along this line, but this works

[tropic tusk]

is the drop rate for pr7 plane really really low? or am i just unlucky

[hollow gust]

It's standard PR drop rate

[storm heron]

2.5-4 months

[stark quiver]

im at 24 with 24 days

[tropic tusk]

yea im just unlucky then

2 weeks already only drop 1bp

[vale spindle]

on JP maybe, can't confirm it on other servers

[stark quiver]

bad researches

[clever escarp]

Is this okay? What can I use to buff the tashkents? Would've prefer tankier ones to sweep OpSi

[stark quiver]

what am i looking at

[hollow gust]

The best improvement is to remove that entire frontline

[tropic tusk]

Q-089LJL,MI, Q389MI

[stone sluice]

It happens.
I sometimes get 1 print in 10 or 14 days. Sometimes 2 to 4 prints on the same day

[stark quiver]

follow this

[tropic tusk]

wait is it UL or LJL lol

[stark quiver]

where is J

[tropic tusk]

ok its UL then lol

wait so MI is bad?

[stark quiver]

what MI?

[tropic tusk]

the last 2

[stark quiver]

that looks like
good selection

[storm heron]

jesus 10k

[tropic tusk]

better be safe then sorry u know

[stark quiver]

jiterally just take Q researches at 4>2>1 h, and 30m Qs whenever

[tropic tusk]

so Q is awlys good

[stark quiver]

for gear focus yes

[tropic tusk]

yea im just unlucky then i always only pick Q for gear

[hollow gust]

RNG takes RNG gives , sometimes you get 7 in a day(from experience ), sometimes you go a month without one

[storm heron]

hahaha so true one day I got like 5 and then goes on 0 streak for a week

[stark quiver]

my first two were pretty slow
but my thrid rn is going at 1bp/dyay pace