gameplay-help

[untold lake]

I see thank you everyone

[sweet delta]

How do you have dev 30 Aegir and no tenrai? The first tenrai should have come from pr4 research and protocore shop.

What gold bulins can you spare for subs?

110 ships in dock

[keen sable]

easy. just use dr7

[fickle hollow]

it took me 2weeks for dev30 agir ,only 21 tenrai prints rn ,I have 4 gold bulins i might get 2 more from medal shop

[sweet delta]

Buy 29 from shop

Maybe start with I-58 and archerfish just to clear the level 65 weekly raid. Actually i-58 can solo it

[keen sable]

who even bothers using agir vs taihoum

[untold lake]

Are META ship worth using if so is houshou META any good

[cobalt rapids]

they have good tech, some are good but not best and no besides tech

[fickle hollow]

[untold lake]

So is houshou any good

[cobalt rapids]

no shes not good but she gives rld tech for carriers which is good but thats all

[untold lake]

Aight thx

[soft raft]

and tech is a relatively late-game thing

[turbid marsh]

(and exp buff heehee)

[soft raft]

but at least METAs dont take up your dock space

[cobalt rapids]

pr1-3 catchups? combat data packs ?

[fickle hollow]

my helena not high level yet she sinks early this is the best run with her alive

[cobalt rapids]

thats normal houshou

[turbid marsh]

wait he talking about houshou meta? nvm

[leaden garden]

Is this good

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[eager mulch]

yes

[fickle hollow]

i got around 8~10 prints from the combat data packs , catchups?i dont have any info of how catchup helps me get prints

[ivory pawn]

If you coin a PR1 ship to dev30, you can then target it with catchup, and convert those blueprints to cores.

[fickle hollow]

Pls Enlighten me

[leaden garden]

Thanks

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Research_Academy#Catch-up
pick a d30 ship from season 1-3 and pick her catchup then turn all the blueprints to protocore

[fickle hollow]

I have only finished research of 3 ships Izumo(dev 20),Agir(dev30),Hindenburg got her yesterday (dev20) rn working on Fdg

[undone plover]

rainbow elitist
u should work on a gold rarity ship aswell since the discounts are separate

i recommend anchorage but if u want to get protocore fast do someone from pr1

[fickle hollow]

i am thinking of Avp after finishing her

[cobalt rapids]

just finish coining izum to dev30

[undone plover]

oh wait izumo
I read azuma my bad

[fickle hollow]

Idk for some reason i left her mid development

[keen sable]

did someone dump 200k a day into agir coin?

[cobalt rapids]

while u coin izum u can catchup anchorage to get her to a usable state like d25
then when izumo is d30 catchup on her and protocore
then go back to finish coining/catchup anchorage

[undone plover]

it is fine for now finish izumo
u can go back for her in a few months when u get the better ships
like AvP and anchorage

[fickle hollow]

22k a day

[keen sable]

that doesn't get you D30 agir in 2 weeks but ok

[fickle hollow]

i already had 200+ agir prints

[undone plover]

I recommend u stick to 10 per day for both gold and rainbow prints

[fickle hollow]

so should i put the ship on catchup after dev 30?

i have fdg on catch up rn

[cobalt rapids]

for pr1-3 yes

[keen sable]

you can only convert bp to protocore if the ship is D30

[undone plover]

yeah because if u have the prints in depot u cant coin the ships u need to use the prints first
so u want to get them for pr1-3 AFTER dev30 so u can actually coin the ship to dev30

[cobalt rapids]

you have alot of protocore gear in shop so i would consider protocoring DR2-3 catchup aswell

[fickle hollow]

I have already done hindenburg catchup who should i put instead of FDG?

[cobalt rapids]

[fickle hollow]

[keen sable]

should have invested in helena not agir then

[cobalt rapids]

azuma and drake protocore wont happen for a long time btw because haku and aegir/fdg take prio

well not aegir

[fickle hollow]

i liked agir more

Should i +13 this torp

[keen sable]

got any improveds?

[fickle hollow]

i have done this

[fickle hollow]

only 1

[keen sable]

if it's what you are using on a meta, you should

[chilly nest]

hey guys, just finished anchorage research, and wanted to ask what ship from pr 5, 6, 7 would be best to research next?

[sweet delta]

What season are you focusing in academy?

[chilly nest]

was doing 4, but for a while already so i can change that

[lapis linden]

is San Diego's augment currently bugged?

[sweet delta]

Change it to 7 but go build fdg and aegir, not season 5+ ships

[sweet delta]

#known-bugs message

[lapis linden]

thanks

[chilly nest]

i already have all good pr 1-4 ships

except haku

[lapis linden]

independence or saratoga is better in mob fleet?

[chilly nest]

but i returned to game recently and im not sure is it worth to research for example plym/brest, if napoli/nakhimov... are already out

[chilly nest]

indep i think

[lapis linden]

thankjs

[sweet delta]

Build whoever is close to dev 30. If none of them are, then build them all in any order. PR5 gold ships are coinable so make one if you're done coining pr1-4

[chilly nest]

ok, thanks!

[spice phoenix]

how good is harbin as a vanguard dps? also, how good is the synergy with ddgs?

[keen sable]

good and not much

stupid in game description

[neon finch]

any good choice of teams for fdg to be in to level?

[keen sable]

rainbows are pretty good

[neon finch]

too broke for rumey to equpt anything actually useful.....

[keen sable]

maybe you shouldn't work on fdg then

strip unused ships of their gear

[neon finch]

its just wait until i get enough blueprints to craft a tenrei and stuff

[viscid swift]

and just where are you farming XP exactly

[neon finch]

kinda

[hollow gust]

Why would you give Fritz a tenrai

[neon finch]

from 100 to 120

[keen sable]

Why you want the best ships possible but refuse to put any gear on them?

[viscid swift]

no, I mean what stage

[neon finch]

12-4

[viscid swift]

you hardly need a Tenrai on Fritz to do 12-4 on safe

[neon finch]

ummmm, alr

also, will a pure BB team work for opsi

[keen sable]

would you refuse to gear avp and gz also?

[neon finch]

i dont have enough planes to spread out, plus main team need gar also, this is 3rd team.... onky goal is to beat mob fleet in stronghold

[keen sable]

if rainbows are the third team who the heck are teams 1 and 2

[neon finch]

uh

1 is full oath 125

2 is all 120+ soviet

[mild sail]

Auto fail because of this

[eager mulch]

ok

[forest palm]

auto AI being silly

[stark quiver]

hi gph, is jintm likely to be dossiered after taihom ends

[soft raft]

It's the next META in line to be archived so yeah most likely

[spice phoenix]

how good are bunker hill, new orleans, and houston II and are they worth farming?

[keen sable]

avi, fp, fp so not bad

[safe wagon]

is it still possible to get the Richelieu?

[ivory pawn]

She's in permanent construction, so just hope she's in the next event pool you pull. And that she spooks you.

[shadow solstice]

anyone got the link for the fleet builder site? I have been stuck on 15-4 for so dam long

[sweet delta]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[shadow solstice]

thx

nvm i think its a different site. Someone one gave me a post where people threw up their 15-4 fleets

[sweet delta]

/w15 this?

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[shadow solstice]

YES THATS IS. I recognize it. much appreciated

[hushed delta]

when or how do these cruise mission girls become available to obtain again?

[ivory pawn]

Should show up in the META shop for Crystals.

[soft raft]

they will eventually be added to the META Shop

[hushed delta]

not yet unless I'm blind, ok eventually then :p

[spice phoenix]

is this setup fine for w14? (top mob, bottom boss)

[viscid swift]

no

[spice phoenix]

whats wrong with it?

[forest palm]

gonna get rammed to death

[viscid swift]

wrong aux gun on Musashi, complete lack of ASW in the mob fleet, and your boss fleet has little in the way of self defense against suicide boats, among other factors

[spice phoenix]

forgot to put he guns

[sweet delta]

🦔

[spice phoenix]

thanks!

[stark quiver]

he isnt the problem

[cobalt rapids]

give a bb to boss instead of avp
and prob something more durable than kazagumo
and give the bbs 155kais or plyguns
and dont use rocket planes unless u know what ure doing

boss has no subs so yea give the hedgehog to the mobfleet

[sweet delta]

eldridge plus a hedgehog on someone should be enough asw, especially with musashi

[olive geyser]

who's a good anti sub?

struggling in 14-3

[keen sable]

most dd

[cobalt rapids]

hedgehog accompanied by depth charge or asw bomber if needed

[forest palm]

as long as your Unicorn is equipped with an ASW Plane, and your DD of choice has a Hedgehog it should help with most ASW needs

[woven star]

If have FdG she can help a lot in these stages

[stark quiver]

fdg is for peeps who dont have sashi

[woven star]

they both work fine in same team. that's what I did for mobing team so...

[forest palm]

eh...

[spice phoenix]

how’s this?

[sweet delta]

Make amagi and Shinanos' reload times further apart

[stark quiver]

whys amagi flag

and sandy doesnt need a aa radar

[sweet delta]

Remove aa radar, swap Guam and sandy AA guns, change Plymouth AA to twin 113 or twin 90, remove unicorns asw plane for more catapult, change unicorns bf109g to bombs

[spice phoenix]

oops forgot to remove planes

[forest palm]

when it's world 14 so you can just pile on 134s

[rigid onyx]

id move biszwei to center

and unzen would perform better than kaza

[viscid swift]

410 kai on Musashi, 155 kai on Zwei as well, drop the hell diver in Amagi for a Barracuda, Ju-87d in Shinano's first slot as well

remove the VH plate on Guam for a bulge or toolbox

[sweet delta]

Shinano double convtb?

[viscid swift]

no idea if Kazagumo lives either

[woven star]

Musashi gun on kai and idk maybe Plym swap with SanD

[viscid swift]

no, something like Vit-2 in the 3rd slot for Shinano

[rigid onyx]

i mean w/ power creep i wouldnt be surprised if the original fleet already wins

but it has mistakes

[forest palm]

it doesn't

Rocket Planes function poorly in 14, gear choice is off, lack of a BB or 2 in boss means you're just going to get rammed to death

[stark quiver]

biszwei is there

[forest palm]

they said "original"

[stark quiver]

what was original

[forest palm]

#gameplay-help message

[stark quiver]

💀

[forest palm]

it doesn't matter how strong a ships kit is, it doesn't mean shit if the gear choice is bad, and the comp is equally shit

[stark quiver]

yea its dead

[woven star]

question with boss team

[sweet delta]

No, you should not use a second unicorn in chapter 14 boss

[rigid onyx]

where did that come from

[sweet delta]

It's what he used

[woven star]

I used it but not recommended for other at least because I had shity gear 1 rainbow and some ships 1lb lower 120lvl. so for now I soped before 14-4

one tip try kill boss when he appear on maps. I 3 time killed all mobs on map before find out how to change boss team to kill him. wonna 3* on 14-3

don't make my mistake

[forest palm]

clearly just raise 2 AQL

[spice phoenix]

wait could i have avoided all of these problems by just running a 3BB for my bossing fleet??

[viscid swift]

no

[stark quiver]

no, youd prob have more problems

[woven star]

you need one BB on boss team vs suicided boats, Musashi (and Unicorn my recommendation) for mob team

[rigid onyx]

what novel reccomendations

[woven star]

idk is biszwei better fdg in boss team??

[stark quiver]

i think new top of the line bb is better than a old bb thats good for mobbing

[storm heron]

[forest palm]

if you don't think BZ is better than FdG in boss then you shouldn't be giving advice

[stark quiver]

[woven star]

yes sir or your magesty

[forest palm]

like I get it's an innocent question, but it should be obvious

[woven star]

everything you want

[rigid onyx]

I mean it isnt completely trivial considering that FdG is considered better than BisZwei for mobbing (in w14), but at the same time I think that the more damning evidence is that if you used a dupe unicorn for w14 boss you shouldnt give advice

[forest palm]

yet the context is boss, and is in no way a broad question

though I'd still take BZ for mob

[eager mulch]

I think bz is better than FdG in boss

[rigid onyx]

i think almost everyone thinks that

[forest palm]

2019 UR BB barely aged well

[rigid onyx]

still a rainbow bb in a rainbow world

[stark quiver]

i have 3 unicorns

[woven star]

idk ppl to angry here if it's different from their rules) if it's work it's work. I did it with shity team and happy. I don't recommend my mistakes but seems looking by red angry eyes they forget what they do here. just some thoughts

[little plinth]

working on my 3rd tenrai, what should I go for after that? I have plenty of the top left, 2 plymouth guns and 2 middle left, then 2 PR6 gun and 1 PR7 plane

[rigid onyx]

more la-9s

[forest palm]

UR 203 SKC can be ignored, Tenrai will be in GL next week, La-9 is going to be more directly useful than a Quad 152

[rigid onyx]

you could feasibly want 3-5 for anti mid bossing, although going for 1 more plygun since it's 30/50 is tempting (i'd still go for LA9)

[viscid swift]

well with any luck the Plymouth gun will be in the gear lab by December

[little plinth]

oops didn't realize tenrai will be GL next week but I'll just finish this one anyway

[stark quiver]

10 months later

[viscid swift]

I really wouldn't even if you're only 11 prints off

[little plinth]

oh really? guess i can swap to pr7 right away

[worldly pewter]

how many la9 do u have ?

[little plinth]

just the 1

[stark quiver]

if youre lucky you can get 13 bps in 2 days

[little plinth]

my best is 4 in one day

[stark quiver]

pr7 time

[viscid swift]

yeah but you could also get 13 La-9 prints in 2 days

[sweet delta]

if youre unlucky you can get 2 bps in 13 days

[rigid onyx]

wow people talk about farming pr gear when it only takes 4 days to get a rainbow

What is the average w/ gear focus? ~2m?

[viscid swift]

2-3

[stark quiver]

my 1 bp a day pace is gone
0.86 pace now

[rigid onyx]

i get irrationally angry when i see a 30m for unfocused ssn

[viscid swift]

I'm just disapointed

[worldly pewter]

i started focusing pr7 from 25 december with 10 la9 prints
today i have 47

37 in 7 weeks i guess

[rigid onyx]

is that w/ gear focus or you also going for nakh

[worldly pewter]

gear focus

[stark quiver]

idek when i started doing pr7

[inner verge]

is pr7 always the best?

[forest palm]

4 > 5 > 7 > 6

though 7 has the best UR gear for now

[worldly pewter]

there is a grey area between 5 and 7

[inner verge]

i dont have any ur gear yet lmao

[viscid swift]

I would argue 4 > 7 > 5 > 6 myself

[thin nova]

how the fu-, limit break brunhilde to max gives 72 faction points

holy shit that a lot

[forest palm]

welcome to German economy

[soft raft]

Iron blood ships give double the usual # of tech points

[inner verge]

thanks ill go for pr4 focus for now :)

[soft raft]

iirc that was because at the time, there were way less german ships in the game

[woven star]

heh, france behind

[lavish dirge]

Sirius beach skin was free for private quarters beach section right?

[forest palm]

yes, Germans got more tech per ship because the faction had less ships overall

[lavish dirge]

Is noshiro free then maybe affection locked or something?

[soft raft]

gotta 💳 that shit

sirius's was free to celebrate the launch of 3D dorm

[lavish dirge]

Understandable tbh this dorm has alot of effort

When you invite 2 characters do they literally coexist in the beach with both of them interactible?

[stone sluice]

It’s just a matter of luck, I sometimes get 4 in one day, or 1 every day for a week streak… sometimes one bp after 5 days

[woven star]

just for someone game too easy on another way no luck on gear but luck on pool

[eternal basalt]

Don't... pr4 becomes obsolete the 20th

[forest palm]

that's gear, not the ships...

[eternal basalt]

Those are coinable, PR AND DR

[forest palm]

you'd still have to focus PR4 to be able to coin any of said ships...

[eternal basalt]

Why, build them, coin them

[forest palm]

because you need to unlock them first

[eternal basalt]

And that requires 0 prints, and 0 research

[viscid swift]

not to mention gear labing all the gear you'd have gotten from research focus will probably be quite expensive

[forest palm]

still means you'd have to focus on PR4

[eternal basalt]

Why?

[forest palm]

because you're thinking of the in game definition

and not once did I say focus research

[shell willow]

newbies might not know that

[forest palm]

just focus on PR4

[eternal basalt]

But not with research

[worldly pewter]

yeah also new players need to learn how to gear focus too

[forest palm]

congratulation you're up to speed boyo

[eternal basalt]

Didn't sound mia picked up on it though

[forest palm]

they themselves never specified what they were looking for, what I gave was based off of ships, I even stated 7 was better for the UR gear right below so~

[shell willow]

its hard to ask a comprehensive question when you are new... shouldnt you aim to be clear to be as helpful as possible instead of being vague

[stark quiver]

which will be used more, third tenrai or first spearfish

[forest palm]

Tenrai

most of what a Spearfish can do a Wyvern will do, so if you're already invested in Wyvern may as well just go into Tenrai

[stark quiver]

still need my 5th wyvern

[forest palm]

get to reevaluate Gear Lab choices on the 20th

hopefully the Tenrai, and the 76 Mk37 aren't too expensive

[stark quiver]

just hope it takes one of those useless parts

[worldly pewter]

u don't need a 5th wyvern

[stark quiver]

i have my reasons

[forest palm]

I sit on 8 and am happy for it

[stark quiver]

how much UR designs do u have taz

[worldly pewter]

i have 3 and i m more than happy about it

[forest palm]

Plenty

I just don't like juggling gear

[worldly pewter]

just buy 🥖

[stark quiver]

i have 4
and it honestly is fine
i dont rly do much in game anymore

[nimble knoll]

Is Kuybyshev Gud?

[stark quiver]

mediocre cl

[nimble knoll]

Aight

[brittle depot]

Random question but what do you do when you max out on coins and you have nothing to use coins on aside from limit breaking random elite ships?

I cant even complete commissions anymore bc of it

[soft raft]

Oil: Buy dorm curry
Coins: Buy cats, doing event pulls, doing research

[spring bolt]

just lb random ships until you reach max fleet tech

[brittle depot]

Research... i have all guns and gear I would need. Ive leveled up all gold and rainbow gear I can level up.

Cats however I did not think about so gambling it is

[white agate]

lord of mysteries

[brittle depot]

I do wish the devs would make it so money you get from sorties, commissions, etc goes into storage instead of preventing you from doing said activities

[white agate]

just use it

buy cat boxes or enchance some gear

[spring bolt]

devs don't want to you to store a lot of coins anyway
just lb/cog awake ships for more tech

[brittle depot]

Yeah im gonna buy a bunch of cat boxes and reroll some of the cats I have. Ill first recheck if i have any gear that needs to be upgraded

[stark quiver]

Buy out

[rigid onyx]

careful of taking screenshots, you might leak the 120 shop

[viscid swift]

~~crud, I'm behind on coins ~~

[brittle depot]

The only thing I need is food. Everything else i have hundreds of

[stark quiver]

W coin sink

also, idk what to use coins for either lol
casual problems

[viscid swift]

well I am in the process of trying to get my cats up to scratch

[stark quiver]

cheeky finally doing cats

[viscid swift]

what boredom does to someone

[brittle depot]

Fr. Im a point where rerun events do nothing for me because ive already done it originally so now the wait for new events seems slower now

[stark quiver]

i pick up the important stuff from reruns, like cogs and then i do 12-1

[viscid swift]

I welcome more reruns, just means more cog chips for me

[stark quiver]

what else do you gotta do with ur acc rn lol
max backline tech

[storm heron]

meanwhile average wolfcybre economy, 10k coins and 3k oil, with 14 extra daily catbox

[viscid swift]

well I'm still working on DD torp, reload, and hit

[stark quiver]

is that all?

or all for offensive tech

[viscid swift]

pretty much

if you exclude subs and miscellaneous hull types

[stark quiver]

time to get max sub tech

[white agate]

same, but 0 extra daily catboxes i am doimg 12-4 to do 15 cat boxes a day

[rigid onyx]

Once you're done with main fleet doesn't your cog income start to outpace how fast you level? Unless you're doing c1 for an obscene amt of time

[stark quiver]

also whats ur daily routine for the game guys

[viscid swift]

kind of but not really

it's still a net loss for vanguards if you're going through a bunch of elites and SRs still

[stark quiver]

my cogs are slowly draining

[storm heron]

exercise check -> exp check -> morale check -> 12-4 3x -> log out
exercise check -> opsi -> log out
exercise check -> opsi -> log out
exercise check -> opsi -> log out
exercise check -> opsi -> log out
exercise check -> exp check -> morale check -> 12-4 3x -> log out

[white agate]

dod you 3 star all hard mode?

[stark quiver]

im too lazy to

[white agate]

i cba about 20% exp boost sometimes

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

login
do one daily build, check the shops, restock the dorm, do daily raids, start a new batch of researches, skill training, etc

farm 12-1 and C1 throughout the day

[stark quiver]

oh yea, forgot ur a c1 farmer now

[viscid swift]

it's actually quite nice

[stark quiver]

i used to do it too

But then after using my 200+ AP, one spawned at the very end
And it gave me this garbage

[storm heron]

looks normal

[viscid swift]

well I'm mainly doing it for the XP

[stark quiver]

O

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

but I will say I have been making bank in terms of AP

[stark quiver]

ha
hahaha

[stark quiver]

at this point
ima just use my rushing strat

[soft raft]

how many days of TaihouM are left?

[viscid swift]

I should say as well this is after I've done everything pretty much, only have 2 strongholds left undone

[zenith pebble]

is shimakaze better than kazagumo?

[stark quiver]

better for damage
not better for support

id say kaza is used more in current metas

[soft raft]

yeah Kaza would be the more relevant out of the two

[stark quiver]

and she has ARA while not being complete garbage

[soft raft]

top tier damage DDs these days are gunboats while Shimakaze gets beat out by two CAs (Ibuki w/ aug & Unzen) for the role of torp boat

[zenith pebble]

meta changed since 6 months?

[soft raft]

Shimakze has been out for 3 years

[zenith pebble]

that i know

[stark quiver]

meta hastn changed that much

[storm heron]

[forest palm]

mm...Amagi raised the Heavy Armor Damage ceiling for CVs, z52 is pretty snazzy, and Rumey is one of the best Support Fleet CV

honestly nothing really that crazy

[rigid onyx]

Shima is still as good as she was 3 years ago, but if you have every ship in the game you are going to use kaza more than shima.

Absolute strength comparing the two i feel like is a bad question though; Shima is completely damage focused, while kaza has okay damage and the ARA skill.

If you are pushing w14 Shima is a 'better' ship than kaza. If you're doing a meta fight kaza is going to place herself on more comps

[forest palm]

kind of forget Shimakaze exists

[rigid onyx]

yeah she did get crept by unzen

[forest palm]

has very high damage peak, but you're never going to see it

[rigid onyx]

endgame relevance doesn't directly translate to the absolute strength of a ship

see: percy (aside from w15, where percy is substantially worse)

[slow fox]

Guide powercreep!?!?

[forest palm]

see that's the problem Shimakaze's main focus as a ship is damage, she has no support so to speak. You're not using her to buff ships, or debuff enemies, so she falls off not to Unzen, but ships within the vanguard that just offer actual utility that isn't just damage

[misty tree]

Would Rumey be stronger on W15 support or boss fleet?

[eager mulch]

stronger than what

[rigid onyx]

It depends on a lot

[misty tree]

Well see that is a loaded question. Better than the IJN carriers on boss or stuck to support fleet

[stark quiver]

Ijn might be better cuz more planes

And db helps a lot in campaign

[nimble knoll]

Is there only 5 UR's in the Perm Banner?

[stark quiver]

actually, idk abt more planes
but you got dbs and tbs so

[rigid onyx]

Fritz is extremely strong on the boss fleet and also is the best support fleet ship.

If your boss fleet needs the extra help she could improve it, if it doesn't need help it could make your mob/boss intercept better

it would be stupid to have 2 rumeys raised but if you did I'd see comps want to use her for both boss and support

[misty tree]

Think ive got enough intercep on mob with Aquila/Uni

[stark quiver]

intercept as in support fleet

[lapis linden]

Yorktown II or Independence better for mob fleet

just came back after a while, i think i forgot most of the things

[nimble knoll]

Does Sandy's 2nd skill, make her that much better or wat?

[stark quiver]

is say indep

[misty tree]

Yokr2 over Aquila?

[stark quiver]

for?

[lapis linden]

thanks

[misty tree]

Nevermind

[cobalt gate]

so for cube to chip ratio for H is gold 4 hours the best?

or the ratio is the same

[sweet delta]

0.5 > 1 > 2 > 4

[storm heron]

100 40 60 80

[sweet delta]

maybe 1 = 2 = 4 i forgot

according to fybredoggo, 0.5 > 1 > 2 > 4

[cobalt gate]

mostly thinking about cube to chip ratio and not time,

[storm heron]

yo yo what

[sweet delta]

it's still the same order

[viscid swift]

that is in terms of cube to chip ratio

[storm heron]

according to usui #gameplay-help message

[cobalt gate]

got it, probably will have to do some after the italian event due to new rainbow

[rigid onyx]

Taking 1 hr Hs starts to drain your cubes really fast

[stark quiver]

this guy prob knows what hes doing

[cobalt gate]

yeah, but sadly chip is low

and i do have 1300

[viscid swift]

I'm pretty certain you'll get enough chips from the event itself to over the UR

[cobalt gate]

isn't it usually 2 ur now though

[viscid swift]

no

[stark quiver]

no

completely random

[storm heron]

I usually just go to w15 to farm stuff if chips low

[rigid onyx]

I'm fine with taking Hs unless im below 750

but you could probably go lower

[viscid swift]

seems like we're flip clopping between 1 and 2 at this point

[cobalt gate]

ahh, well starting after the event, gonna wait for info i guess

[soft raft]

Livestream on the 23rd anyways

[viscid swift]

if I wanna be nitpicky it should be a Soviet flag next to Soyuz and Kronshtadt

[soft raft]

Closest thing I can find to a Soviet Union flag emote is this 🇦🇴

[cobalt gate]

not too bad then probably 8 ur then including pr ships this year

[stark quiver]

just make one

[sharp socket]

so it seems like next UR event is only one UR?

[stark quiver]

idk

infact, nobody knows

[storm heron]

huh, next UR event isn't italian?

[soft raft]

Stay tuned™ for the livestream

[keen sable]

somebody also knows and they ain't telling

[storm heron]

well, turns out that @viscid swift

[forest palm]

it's on webo

[viscid swift]

EN also posted something unusually

[stark quiver]

some mf in dev team prob went rogue

[forest palm]

this is like...more than the 5th time this was done...

[viscid swift]

aye, they announced the faction for the last UR event in advance as well

[soft raft]

didnt they do the same for Soyuz as well last year

I vividly remember the bunny AT-AT being posted on the EN twitter

[viscid swift]

I can't remember

[forest palm]

EN has done it for like a few(?) UR thus far, it is a more recent thing

[storm heron]

yeah they announced iron blood last time too

[sharp socket]

what does that TL to

[forest palm]

use lens

[carmine heath]

do you get gems during anniversary

[sharp socket]

sardine empire = italia so yes pasta UR

[eager mulch]

what nation is the next event gonna be

forget i asked

[glass basin]

what are the best uses of Rumey in Campaign and Opsi

[lament ledge]

ngl

is shinano better than yorktwon

[soft raft]

they dont really overlap much
Shinano's mainly in the IJN Anti-heavy/med comps while Yk2 is in the USS Anti-light comp

[lament ledge]

ooh

[stark quiver]

she works everywhere in campaign
as well as being the number 1 support cv
ops she works best in anti light and med fleets

[lament ledge]

ill upg shinano then

[storm heron]

[fleet berry]

What is the reasoning behind C1 farming again? Extra EXP and Akashi's shop for surplus AP boxes?

[viscid swift]

pretty much yeah

[glass basin]

so like in chapter 15 support fleet and in murica opsi fleet to replace yorktown 2?

[stark quiver]

she doesnt replace yk2
because kear needs yk2
she can replace enty for more consistent dmg

[glass basin]

but then she's gonna kickout the timestop implacable

[stark quiver]

light bosses in opsi dont rly need timestop
just run eld

[rigid onyx]

running eld just for the slow doesn't seem correct to me

but yeah light/med rockets don't need a full stop like conv torp bombers want. Fritz slow is usually enough

[stark quiver]

eld is for extra assurance
but youll prob be fine w/o her

[sharp socket]

i thought its the opposite because light bosses move faster than heavy and thus need stopper?

[nimble knoll]

Shud I start developing Roon instead of St. Louis?

[viscid swift]

kind of though I've not noticed too much of a difference myself
the real reason is that rockets reach the target faster than torpedoes from TBs giving the boss less time to move and this more likely they'll hit even without a root

[stark quiver]

ops bosses specifically are slow so

[nimble knoll]

[oak solstice]

Hey y'all just started the game. Is there any guides you guys can point me to on what to do for dailies, unit priorities to help progress faster and any rolling guides? I'm not looking to fully min-max just don't want to waste resources levelling and chasing the wrong units. Thanks in advance ❤️

[nimble knoll]

[viscid swift]

this would be a good place to start
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[oak solstice]

I appreciate you greatly. Thank you

[stark quiver]

have a fun time

[wind hazel]

i will

[oak solstice]

Thanks a lot! Looking forward to it. Heard the game is fairly generous for f2p so wanted to come check it out 🙂

[viscid swift]

It is

I achieved 100% collection as a f2p

[oak solstice]

No kidding? Love that! I'm the type to not be shy about spending here and there in games and one of the frustration points for me is games that make it hard to get even 1 unit copy. This is very good news to hear

[stark quiver]

We don’t have 50/50
it’s a straight hit x amount of pulls to get ship
And gacha resources are ez to save up if u smart with spending

[cobalt gate]

only for UR ships though

[oak solstice]

Ohh gotcha. How many pulls for pity usually?

[oak solstice]

What are the ranking of ships in the game? Just finished downloading so just about to get in

[storm heron]

true, we don't have a 50/50 75/25 100/0, we only have monotone rate until a copy of guarantee for URs every 200 pulls

[soft raft]

400 cubes which translates to 200 pulls

[oak solstice]

Perhaps ranking is not the right word, but rarity?

[oak solstice]

Ah I come from NIkke which is the same so I'm okay with that

[storm heron]

ranking right word

[soft raft]

UR, SR (SSR for JP), Elite (SR for JP), Rare, and Common

And there's DR and PR which are research equivalents of UR and SR respectively

[rigid onyx]

the main thing is that the rates are good (1.2% for a UR) and they give ~100+ rolls of currency free a month rather than the pity mechanics being what makes it generous

[cobalt gate]

5 rarity, ur sr elite rare common

[rigid onyx]

If you're smart about cubes (not spending them in the standard banners aside from the daily light pull) you can get every ship coming out

that is, if you play daily to get all the cubes

[cobalt gate]

usually endgame is UR, however i'm not sure how much rainbow bulin we get, so i think good sr are starting point for beginners?

[soft raft]

wrong

good elites and rares are a better starting point
mainly due to Elite bullin income being higher than SR ones

[zenith heron]

one reason why Portland is a good tank to use in early I guess?

[cobalt gate]

i mean also because 1 skill

[soft raft]

The occasional like 1-2 SR is fine as long as they're actually worthwhile up until W12+ like Hood and Enterprise

[oak solstice]

Gotcha! Thanks!

[sharp socket]

if you're smart lucky
FTFY

[rigid onyx]

I mean not really lucky

[oak solstice]

This is really good to hear! Are dupes a major priority in this game?

[rigid onyx]

not at all, there's a system to get your ship mlb

[wind hazel]

being smart about cube can guarantee UR, but it doesn't guarantee getting every ship coming out at all

[sharp socket]

me when i sunk 150 cubes for no strasbourg

[cobalt gate]

not for pulling since we get universal material to use as dupe

[stark quiver]

Nah
Pulling for dupes is not worth the recourse

[oak solstice]

Fantastic!

[rigid onyx]

the main thing is that there's a lot of time gated resources so that you have to be deliberate about what units to level for the first few months

[zenith heron]

one reason why UR has a 200 pull pity, unsure if SR ones have (unless that goes to the Perma UR pity)

[soft raft]

they dont

there's only Event UR Pity and Perament UR Pity in terms of gacha pity

[wind hazel]

they don't. and "elite curse" is a term too for this game

[cobalt gate]

i mean the worst ones are the permanent sr and elite that there is no otherway to get other than gacha

if going for collection, but that shouldn't be priority as beginner

[oak solstice]

I see so that's where the chase is. Gotcha.

[sharp socket]

you can be 2000 cubes deep and no elite

[zenith heron]

that is really Ironic then... which then an SR and Elite can actually be more cube greedy if they have no luck on it

[oak solstice]

Thank you to everyone who replied. You're all incredibly helpful.

[cobalt gate]

also if you do decide to pay the lvl 70 commander pack is good

[wind hazel]

the generous part is the cube income, and being able to guarantee a new UR with that income. the generosity ends there

[oak solstice]

Oh! I will look into it when I get to check out the shop

[rigid onyx]

It's ~188 cubes to finish a UR banner, which is about the same number of cubes you get in a month (if not below). You can get unlucky and have to pity or go well above average on banners but it's not insane rng to get every ship naturally with cube generation.

And if you miss a random elite ship, you can just wait for a rerun tbh

[soft raft]

where did you get that ~188 average from

[cobalt gate]

which is 1.5 year +

[sharp socket]

if there is no 100% its a 50/50 thats all i have to say

[soft raft]

well there's really no 50/50 either since there's only the event UR as a possible UR in their banner

[rigid onyx]

What's suprising about the number? It's just a classic coupon collector problem. Intuitively you can know it's going to be a bit higher than 1/1.2% without doing the total math

[storm heron]

[soft raft]

what

[stark quiver]

it took my 600 cubes to finish a banner

[sharp socket]

the 50/50 in this case means its either you get it or you dont

[wind hazel]

i forgot the average but iirc it's ~107 or 108 pull to get UR. or something around 10x

it's definitely more than 188, but not far off

[sharp socket]

UR is guaranteed, the gold and/or elite is not

[rigid onyx]

to get the UR it's simply 1/1.2%*2 cubes on average

actually less because of pity

[sharp socket]

same with non UR events, there is no guarantee for the gacha ships so it could take 10 cubes or 1000

[wind hazel]

but saying "you can get every new ship" is just blatant lie

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't say it's wrong but with the schedule these days, being able to pull every ship on your first run/rerun of the event is a tad unrealistic

[stark quiver]

[soft raft]

RNG can also be a complete bitch so realistically your average will vary wildly

[wind hazel]

like it or not, being lucky plays a huge role in 100% collection

[viscid swift]

it doesn't

[wind hazel]

tell that to my missing kirov

[storm heron]

kinda right, expected cube spent should just be this formula

[stark quiver]

my average for getting a ur, from what i remmeber was 267 cubes
that was cuz 400,400,3

[sharp socket]

after an infinite number of pulls your average will be the same as what the game says assuming the devs arent lying but you wont reach infinite so you can have horrible luck

[viscid swift]

you'll get her eventually, it's just a case of if not when if you keep at it

I wouldn't even say luck plays that much of a role in determining how soo you get 100% collection because of some ships that take forever to be made permanently available

looking at you Uranami

[keen sable]

remember when they used to give you a free ship every month?

[viscid swift]

those were the days

[sharp socket]

my UR average is 65 pulls or 130 cubes

[viscid swift]

I stopped giving a fudge about the average a long time ago

[sharp socket]

i don't even keep track of it that well because im pretty sure its lower than what i remember and i also dont count dupes

[rigid onyx]

It takes 76 rolls (152 cubes) to get a UR on average

[sharp socket]

oh i forgot yorkii my average is 49 pulls for UR excluding dupe

[rigid onyx]

i have no idea why people are just doing vibes-based ev's

you only hit pity like 9% of the time

[storm heron]

isn't it 10%?

[sharp socket]

gph doesn't like numbers from what i observe

[storm heron]

I like numbers

[rigid onyx]

Because of the rainbow meta, and the pity mechanics, it still is probably prudent to keep 400 cubes for UR events if that means skipping full collection to minimize variance, but past like 6 months of playing, barring extremely bad luck, you should be able to roll through every banner

it's like what? 1 regular banner, 1 rerun regular 1 UR banner, 1 rerun UR every 3 months?

[storm heron]

idk if I will say able to roll every banner

[soft raft]

I think it's more like 1 Major/SP format event and 1 rerun/WA event per month

With the only guarentees I can 100% say off the top of my head being a new UR every Feb/May/Sept/Dec

[viscid swift]

kinda depends on what time period you look at

[rigid onyx]

Realistically the most you'd have to skip is the 2nd SR on a 2 sr banner (if you had average or above average luck)

[viscid swift]

but to give you an idea of the worst case scenario this past November to January saw 3 UR events and a collab in the span of 2 months

[rose cosmos]

So destroyers and light cruisers are considered light armors right?

[viscid swift]

they usually are yes

[rose cosmos]

So how do we know whether or not a plane carrier is a light, medium or heavy armor

[wind hazel]

wiki them

[rough vale]

best way to get fleet recs for w14? should I just post my whole dock?

[viscid swift]

just your URs and SRs

[rough vale]

K easiest way is w/ imgur ig
https://imgur.com/a/6XAuhFD

[nimble knoll]

Does OpSI Take Morale?

Owh

[hollow gust]

You still should make a thread

[rough vale]

W14 Recommendations

[nimble knoll]

Without Aquila in the same fleet, Would Retro Nelson Be Better than VV?

What's good against Medium Armor ships?

[stark quiver]

soyuz,nakhimov,fritz rumey

[sharp socket]

BBs, bf109g, la9

[stark quiver]

ap bb guns
champaign guns

[nimble knoll]

Gotcha

[sharp socket]

triple BB is good against everything but not best

and basically all of the time you don't need to have the best

[oak solstice]

Hey y'all, which server counts as a global server out of the available ones? It defaults to Little Enterprise but i'd like to get into a server with a good amount of playerbase and guilds to join. Thanks

[sharp socket]

LE has been out for like 2 years

[nimble knoll]

Also Dis ^

[wind hazel]

washington, best medal shop this month

[sharp socket]

the oldest server is avrora if thats what you're looking for

[oak solstice]

It's different content per server?

[wind hazel]

only the medal shop, everything else the same, barring players

[sharp socket]

also all of them are global server

[oak solstice]

I see. It still does say New so i assume it is the newest out of all the existing ones

[stark quiver]

u can friend me if amagi
but washington server gibs u the best start

[sharp socket]

only CN client is different with its own CN servers

[oak solstice]

Ahh I see. Would you recommend I start Washington then? Is there anything I should prioritize in this medal shop?

[sharp socket]

and the only benefit is that its 6 hrs faster than global

[nimble knoll]

[wind hazel]

pretty much grab Enterprise from CV medal, and Hood/Tirpitz from BB medal

[oak solstice]

Hey man starting with someone willing to be friends with my new account is a good incentive to start in that server lol

[sweet delta]

Friends don't do much in this game

[stark quiver]

did i also mention
friending some1 dosnt rly do much , theres no co-op modes

[sharp socket]

there is like no friend interaction whatsoever in the game except like a chat

[oak solstice]

I see. Sweating

[unborn saffron]

Do I buy 4thdorm slot or wait till I can buy 2nd floor ?

[oak solstice]

Ahh fair enough.

[wind hazel]

should be but it won't matter where you're at... what are you trying to do??

[nimble knoll]

2nd Floor

[stark quiver]

dont do 4th
go to 2nd floor

[unborn saffron]

Thanks

[sharp socket]

go 2nd floor then 4th slot if you want to and have extra gems but not needed

[south sequoia]

In a mobbing fleet, nelson would be better over vv in this instance yes
In a boss fleet, vv would be better over nelson

[unborn saffron]

Who is vv

[stark quiver]

vittorio veneto

i have her in wowsb

[nimble knoll]

Damn, I'm using it backwards in campaign Lmao-
But I was doing OpSI with Uni VV and Yt2 as my main, and I was wondering if I should switch VV with Nelson, Cuz I'm not using aquila

[sharp socket]

shes italian bb

[oak solstice]

I'll follow your advice and start washington. Hopefully I can take advantage of the good start @wind hazel

[sharp socket]

apparently shes quite a good gold bb but idk cause i dont have her

[unborn saffron]

I'll be using uni retro hood Sara retro, laffey/javelin, port, Jeanne for mob fleet

What should I use for bosses or when my mob fleet outta ammo ?

Need suggestion too for medal dd and CV to take

[nimble knoll]

You can still attack without ammo tho? Just 50% lower dmg, But send your ships in a thread or smth

[nimble knoll]

If you don't have Enty, Get her from the CV Medal

[unborn saffron]

They're not gonna be so strong or dies which is a problem 😭

[unborn saffron]

As for dds

[sharp socket]

then its a fleet or gear problem

[stoic jasper]

any tips to clear stage 14?

[sharp socket]

because ooa shouldn't be an issue until like w10 for one fleeting

[viscid swift]

depends really on what you have

[sharp socket]

unless you're already there then yea make thread and send ships and we make boss fleet for u

[stark quiver]

smth like this

[elfin hollow]

hi, is there a way to change server? Seems like a lot of players play on washington

[unborn saffron]

No...

[sharp socket]

asw for mob, heavy damage on vg, less plane pressure compared to 13 but more survivability pressure

[viscid swift]

not without having to start over

[stark quiver]

yea
but account progress resets
and thats only for new players

[keen sable]

don't fight out of ammo then. easy enough to follow until 6-4

[nimble knoll]

Kaza, For CV Buffs ig

[viscid swift]

smh using DBs on Amagi

[keen sable]

if you want 3* just wait a few levels and then hammer it with 2 overleveled ships

[stark quiver]

this man wants to run double wyvern

[nimble knoll]

Is your ships under or over levelled on the ships your fighting?

[sharp socket]

that thing is overkill that alpha sent, it is not needed to have that much shit for a clear but more stuff helps

[stark quiver]

it makes your clears ez

[viscid swift]

well what I had more in mind was moving the Tenrai to the first slot and using a TB in slot two

[stark quiver]

thats actually a good idea

[unborn saffron]

Oh don't worry I have a gear problem, still new, not enough gears for everyone etc

[sharp socket]

also your imp torps arent +13 but 3 wyverns are

[nimble knoll]

Cause if your ships are Underleveled, They do reduce Dmg and I think take more Dmg to ships that are higher lvl than them, If the ships are higher level they do more Dmg and take less dmg

[nimble knoll]

What world/chapter are you in?

[stark quiver]

cba to change enhances

[viscid swift]

I think Napoli plus Eldridge is also pretty overkill

[stark quiver]

well yea, it was made to be overkill

[elfin hollow]

Unicorn is very helpfull in siren operation since she heals my team, is there any other ship which would be also usefull as much as unicorn?

[viscid swift]

I mean in so much as more damage would be even more overkill

[stark quiver]

its for people who ask "what fleet for w14"

[nimble knoll]

A Gear problem.. Maybe don't do a 2nd fleet for now, Unless you can sort the Gear Problem, cause what good does a ship do if it's not that built, And is your ships Maxed Limit Breaked? Or LB at all?

[unborn saffron]

5-2 rn, no hood yet and the fleet I said earlier are still "to-be"

[keen sable]

aquila in dive bomber mode works real well on 14. just saying /s

[nimble knoll]

Oof, Don't focus on a 2nd fleet yet, Wait until higher worlds

[sharp socket]

my last w14 comp looked like this

[unborn saffron]

Alright

[sharp socket]

and this does 14-4 pretty well

[nimble knoll]

Are you doing auto or manual?

[stark quiver]

i mean, i didnt rly know wat to put, cuz double flap wouldvbe been pointless

[storm heron]

use volga like I did

[keen sable]

can't heal mushy if you don't put a fighter

[stark quiver]

what the heck

[unborn saffron]

Manual, not strong enough to auto when out of ammo

Penny, uni, laffey, portland is the fleet all lv70 limit breaked

[sweet delta]

heck the reading

[stark quiver]

oh yea,

ahem time to revamp

[storm heron]

how good is eld main tank w14

[sharp socket]

double pancake for aquila for healing
tbf i didnt read it too and just thought more fighter = good

[stark quiver]

shes fine as tank

[sharp socket]

supposedly good but in my experience i dont like it

[nimble knoll]

Maybe farm worlds/stages that you can auto for the mean time, Get your ships to higher lvls and lvl your Unicorns Healing Up

[stoic jasper]

alr, i have the ship, but i don't have the gear

[viscid swift]

I'll do you one better

[stark quiver]

wtf bayard

[storm heron]

bro wtf napoli

[stark quiver]

[sweet delta]

It's missing nakhi and napoli

[storm heron]

lmao

[sweet delta]

And might as well throw in a Hindenburg to stagger seasons

[stark quiver]

so many good options

[sharp socket]

you can even do w14 with questionable fleets such as this

[sweet delta]

I see you've subscribed to kimo cheese for drake > hinden gun

[stark quiver]

smh shouldve used a comet as well

[viscid swift]

no Kimo's fleets would use 2 NJ's

and his boss fleet would consist of FDG, NJ, Duke of York

[stark quiver]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialArtsyKimchiTheThing-Q5FN3JHTRdooWeT3

[sharp socket]

aurora fleet spotted

[storm heron]

did the guide lie or can this clear w14

[viscid swift]

that cleared W15

that wasn't used for W14

[sharp socket]

no boat interception in mob

[keen sable]

Not using a blucher gun 🚮

[sharp socket]

also too many planes not enough plane damage

[stark quiver]

youre gonna die

[storm heron]

huh... so not everything that clears w15 can clear w14

[stark quiver]

precisely

[sharp socket]

aurora also manualed the heck out of w14 and w15

[sweet delta]

Auto 14, manual 15

[stark quiver]

aurora was the result of a lot of learning and shadowing gph

[nimble knoll]

Wait, How does Shinano's Crossfleet work?

[sweet delta]

not very well

[rigid onyx]

Ok the chat about how many rolls it takes to sweep a banner died but w/ the pity timer it should be ~103 or 206 cubes to sweep a banner, although code i wrote may be wrong b/c im bad

[wind hazel]

told you

[rigid onyx]

...

[nimble knoll]

Does it only work if it's after 15 seconds?

[rigid onyx]

You were wrong abt what u commented on

76 rolls for a ur on average still

[wind hazel]

yes im wrong

[storm heron]

so sweep is dead but UR still correct?

[wind hazel]

maybe i am wrong

[storm heron]

it's definitely less than 107, but not far off

[keen sable]

at 15s not after

[nimble knoll]

Owh.. No Wonder it wasn't activating then

[storm heron]

the other fleet has to be 3 4 5 th battle too

[rigid onyx]

It's never going to be more than 83.3 rolls because that's the number without pity to only get the UR

[storm heron]

deepseek says something like 76 (with the pity)

[nimble knoll]

So the first two fights, Even if it lasted 15 seconds or more, it won't activate, Only on the 3rd to 5th fight if I'm getting this right?

[stark quiver]

whys this man using deepseek

[rigid onyx]

it's 75.88

[ivory spruce]

Ok Im a goober who stopped playing for a while and was lazy with later game content. I was stuck on ch 13. I just really started Operation Siren and Im in late ch 3 of that. These are like my top ships I guess. Any tips for formation builds? I'm trying to progress far enough in OS to be able to craft the high tier gear

[storm heron]

lazy meth

[rigid onyx]

I don't think I have pity implemented correctly with the total sweep func as its giving me ~78 rolls on average for the UR, but eh fixed it

close enough

the actual coupon collecting logic is correct

[wind hazel]

try to have a solid mob fleet with perseus/unicorn, BB fleet with good buffer, CV fleet with relevant CV buffer, don't mix BB and CV

you can open a thread and post your entire dock if you want

[ivory spruce]

Thanks, my dumb self always mixed BB and CV

[rose cosmos]

So aside from event guns, agir wants to have the agir gun most of the time right? Since free options are only azuma guns and her own gun

[jagged harness]

Guys I need answers which is better to develop FFNF ships first?
Bayard or Brest?

[stark quiver]

brest gud tank

[zenith heron]

may I know what is the Coin limit? Unlike the Oil's 25k limit

[stark quiver]

600k hard cap

[next saffron]

How can i equip these aguments to collab characters? There is no agument slot

[viscid swift]

have you MLB them

[stark quiver]

lvl 100+

[zenith heron]

so when you say hard cap, like hard cap ever since lower Commander levels? or its the same for all Commander levels?

[stark quiver]

i dunno

[rigid onyx]

2sr 1 elite, 1sr 1 elite, 1 UR 1 SR 1 elite

[jagged harness]

Whats this?

[rigid onyx]

number of rolls needed for every ship in a banner (on average)

[wind hazel]

600k is the same for everyone

[sharp socket]

why do you need code, just use a calculator and/or pen and paper

[storm heron]

simulation is just closer to the actual thing if you have a lot of samples

[sharp socket]

simulating randomness is flawed and more complicated than taking math average and just using that

[rigid onyx]

i mean pen/paper works for the easier ones i just am bad w/ probability when i had to deal with the pity timer

[storm heron]

well with math you have some things to consider

[rigid onyx]

and by bad with probability idt there's a closed form formula

[storm heron]

also uto you can probably collect other statistics as well like the variance

[sharp socket]

the average pulls for UR is 83.3

or 84 rounded up, 168 cubes

[stark quiver]

i fail math

[sharp socket]

using LCSS event for example, SR is 2%, elite is 2.5%

SR math average is 50 pulls or 100 cubes
elite math average is 40 pulls or 80 cubes

if you get them before math average its lucky, if you get after math average its unlucky

[rigid onyx]

i mean that's the trivial stuff

[sharp socket]

easy as that

[rigid onyx]

you can't just say that getting all 3 after 168 cubes is unlucky

[sharp socket]

i can because that is the math average

[rigid onyx]

The math average for all 3 is in fact 103 rolls

[sharp socket]

idk what you're trying to do here

[stark quiver]

K6PE['

[rigid onyx]

if you roll a dice how many times do you have to roll it for you to roll all 6 sides?

you aren't unlucky if it takes you more than 6

[sharp socket]

theoretically 6 times

[stark quiver]

My fault, that was my fn rage

[wind hazel]

[sharp socket]

if the lottery has 9999 possible winning numbers and i buy 9999 tickets for one lottery, i will win every time

[rigid onyx]

that's rolling without replacement

completely different

[sharp socket]

however for gacha every time you roll it is 1.2% UR, 2% SR and 2.5% elite every single time and the rate doesnt change

the math average stays the same every time

[storm heron]

what's the rate for P(E) and P(SSR)?

[wind hazel]

rate deez

[storm heron]

oh nvm

[rigid onyx]

The fact that the dice analogy didn't get you to rethink that maybe it isn't just the the expected number of runs for the UR or below to be considered average luck is crazy to me

anyways this channel isnt for math

[sharp socket]

AL is way less complicated than the hell that is pity system with increasing rate per pull

[sharp socket]

dice has way more factors that affect which side lands facing up

[rigid onyx]

If you want to look into it more just look at 'coupon collecting problems'

[wind hazel]

what are we even talking about at this point

[rigid onyx]

It's just a specific type of probabilistic question, I won't bog down gph with explanations

[sharp socket]

the way that gacha system decides what you get may also have an algorithm behind it but thats like too deep for this

[storm heron]

where is mebot in times like this

[viscid swift]

Getting back on topic, what auxes should I run for Vampre META to get the most damage out of her

[storm heron]

toolbox and 550 hp

[molten zinc]

[viscid swift]

no

[wind hazel]

maybe all work robot

[stark quiver]

jusg run diube oixcy

[rigid onyx]

where is mebot's eDPS ranking when you need it

[sharp socket]

theres probably some math you can do for this but uhh mess around in lars calc and see what happens is my suggestion

or double toolkit and sleep

[keen sable]

dead vampires deal no damage. or do they...

[viscid swift]

well I can assure you vampire doesn't die

Kinda hard to

[sharp socket]

that sure is a farming fleet

[viscid swift]

I know, main fleet already has 3 million XP banked

[storm heron]

stinkytail not maxed

[rigid onyx]

last msg abt this because its becoming spam

[sharp socket]

i rolled my dice 50 times and it landed on 2 39 times and 4 9 times, my dice is rigged

[rigid onyx]

do you farm 13-1 or 12-1

[viscid swift]

12-1

[storm heron]

I'm afraid my math sux especially if I need to truncate pity so I would go with the simulation

[sharp echo]

already done research hidenburg and fdg
who else should i aim?

[storm heron]

how's your progress?

[vapid lotus]

am I missing something here? this is the only area of the map that's not clear

[sharp echo]

the only research i almost finish is roon and shes my first
thats all

[rigid onyx]

anchorage

a lot of people save the early catch up prints to get a huge boost of protocore

also a research focus of 6 is probably not the best

[storm heron]

if you need a good tank for opsi, you can go for anchorage

[wanton dawn]

ah got it tysm

[storm heron]

after that probably it's just best to either change your catch-up to one of the finished ship for protocore, or to a strong uncoinable ship like pr6's shimanto, and all dr5 and dr6

[ripe patio]

What to pick in here

[storm heron]

what do you have from there?

[plain saffron]

which year invitation is that

[stark quiver]

sirius the best of what i see, but shes in medal

[elfin hollow]

so instead of going best weapons for my ships, how can I assume another geart part is also going to work as for now?

[plain saffron]

and they're gone

[ripe patio]

nothing

[ripe patio]

no idea

[viscid swift]

well what are the other 2 ships on it

[ripe patio]

I do have the last ship

[viscid swift]

pretty much GZ or Tashkent then
none of them are particlarly noteworthy performance wise and all the others can be obtained via non-gacha means

[rose cosmos]

I mean sirius can be an awesome new pick no?

[ripe patio]

Can they replace anything in my formation?

[rose cosmos]

Like just throw a bunch of junks and toolkits on her and she will do the job

[atomic abyss]

She's in medal shop tho
Tash and GZ aren't as easily accessible

Also Sirius isn't even useful for a new player

She's basically mid-late game pick

[viscid swift]

yes but that's a reflection of how shit your fleets are

[storm heron]

gz very useful for 7.6 M IB exp grinding

[ripe patio]

what do i replace and with who

[viscid swift]

it's pretty bad you're using dupes but the fact some of them are fully invested in is even worse

[sharp socket]

oh dear

[viscid swift]

start by giving that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
Hood and 1 Poltava stay, everyone else goes for now

[ripe patio]

alr thanks

[tender girder]

i'm so jealous of people with 3 ironblood ships in main fleet... i'm struggling with just Odin and Gneisenau

[atomic abyss]

I mean Tirpitz is in medal shop

[tender girder]

not in my medal shop...

[atomic abyss]

So is bismarck but tirp is better

Scharnhorst can be farmed

And you just need 3 to farm for fdg

Hell if you already have Odin, fdg should be an easy grab

[tender girder]

yeah i've dumped 30 war achives ticket + x2 into convergent. no luck so far

[viscid swift]

GZ was also farmable from the last rerun so

[atomic abyss]

Also yeah forgot brun was just here too

Just get the fdg farm over and done with

[elfin thunder]

Does soyuz cv dmg buff stack with kazagumo’s buff?

[viscid swift]

yes

[rose cosmos]

the 8 hours gold researches are trash rite?

[hoary relic]

should i buy her with 20k merits?

[little tree]

Yes

[hoary relic]

[stark quiver]

do u have her retrofit item

[hoary relic]

i can afford it

[stark quiver]

do u have her retrofit item

[hoary relic]

i dont but i can afford it

wait

[stark quiver]

where can you buy it?

[hoary relic]

woops that is sandy

i got it wrong, my bad

[stark quiver]

yes, her retro item is locked behind an event currently, buying her now is gonna be a waste

[hoary relic]

so i only should buy the gold bulin?

[stark quiver]

do u need it?

[hoary relic]

im on low amount and having no idea should i build F2 before w12

[stark quiver]

you could just save the merits rn

[hoary relic]

ight bet

anyways, i will get my first enty tmr from newcomer but im currently using theseus in my main fleet, does it worthy to invest in enty to replace theseus?

[stark quiver]

yes
enty is infinitely better than theseus

[hoary relic]

jeez, gotta grind hard then

[nimble knoll]

Overall, Which Is Better In Dmg, CV's or BB's?

[storm heron]

CV

[thin nova]

who should I choose

[nimble knoll]

Owh.. So I guess it wasn't a skill issue that when I was using VV, Nelson and Uni for w10 hm 1-2, It didn't clear as fast when I used Yt2 and Uni

[nimble knoll]

Shinano

[shell willow]

how many limit breaks does your uvh have?

[thin nova]

0

I still have Yorktown 2 at 5 star

[shell willow]

then shinano

[glossy perch]

What’s up with the research options? After this last patch im getting ships I have maxed as research options even though I have maxed all PR 1~6 and have the needed blueprints if the URs did get a FS later. Before now I would only see ships I “needed” blueprints for.

[thin nova]

man, it takes forever to limit break these UR

they should give out more bullin

especially for new players

[shell willow]

that is true, newbies and returnees suffer

[nimble knoll]

Meanwhile, Old players that kept playing daily Gets Stonks

[glossy perch]

“It’s easier today than it was yesterday” but as you build your account everything falls into place

[sharp socket]

eh not really cause some URs just arent very good

theyre still UR and usable but not phenomenal

[thin nova]

like her?

[nimble knoll]

Is there a list on the UR's where they're ranked?

[sharp socket]

all except shinano in perma pool are kind of mid for UR

[thin nova]

isnt UvH decent?

[sharp socket]

yea if you dont have soyuz, alsace, musashi, bzwei, vanny

[thin nova]

I only have musashi

[nimble knoll]

Is UvH Slightly Better than NJ?

[sharp socket]

i haven't seen a direct comparison yet but according to some yes

[stark quiver]

Are you gonna get her from perma?
Do you have shinano yet?

[nimble knoll]

Talking to me or the other person?

[stark quiver]

U

[nimble knoll]

Got her Yesterday, Though I'm not gonna invest on her yet, Gonna wait for the new UR

[stark quiver]

Pulling on perma

[nimble knoll]

Nope, the exchange, Wasn't doing Heavys/Special to get her

Does Shinano Do Better with Other Sakura Empire Ships with her?

[nocturne glade]

what to get after 3 champy guns and tenrai from protocore? The image says saiun kai but I didnt see hindy gun there and was wondering if that was better

or i can just save up

[mortal trench]

that’s cause hindy gun was added very recently
i’d say saiun is still better, but saving up is probably better if you have other converging torps

[nocturne glade]

great, ty!

[mortal trench]

or rather, vit-2 was added too

vit-2 (mode change) is another converging torp sidegrade so that’s also an option

basically just grab whatever you need lmao

[nocturne glade]

makes sense

[mortal trench]

shinano needs 3 or more sakura empire ships in her fleet (herself included) for a pretty big buff (15% avi and acc for all sakura cvs)

[nimble knoll]

But she's still good even without the buff right?

[shell willow]

lab gear update in less than a week, just wait

[nocturne glade]

ah right forgot about that

[mortal trench]

i mean i guess? but just fulfill the requirement lmao

if you’re rich just run her with kazagumo and amagii
but yeah ig it’s not that big of a deal
it’s a big buff but it’s not like it’s game-changing for her or anything

[nimble knoll]

Amagi CV?

[mortal trench]

yep, amagii

[thin nova]

I farmed a little bit too much yesterday

[hollow gust]

Okay?

[cobalt gate]

i wish regular event store i can buy gold plates instead of purple plates now

[nimble knoll]

Still quite new, so these are my IJN Ships

[hollow gust]

That shinano is useless, just don't use her until you get more copies from pity

[nimble knoll]

Ik, Just Trying to know what are gud to go with Shinano when she's built, Cuz I just got her yesterday from Exchange

[mortal trench]

well. not useless, but pretty shit lmao

[hollow gust]

Work on your haluryuu and Avp , that's more there enough

[mortal trench]

but yeah kazagumo

kazagumo is great; air raid assistance, good personal damage from torps, and is ijn so counts towards shinano buff

[nimble knoll]

Shud I get Sandy's skill from her Retrofit tree, Or Mlb Kaza when she's lvl 70

[mortal trench]

i mean hopefully you’ll have more bulins by the time kazagumo is levelled, no?

[shell willow]

if u have the other sandy skill leveled then get it and start leveling it

[hollow gust]

You are in no rush for kazagumo , your shinano is very likely months away

[nimble knoll]

I mean, She can Buff my Enty and Yt2, No?

[hollow gust]

Sure but that's still no rush, your kazagumo is lvl39

[worldly pewter]

u got nano after a month and half of playing while i got her after 7
yeah mlb her with dupes

[nocturne glade]

is this used on anyone? Or can I just leave it

[worldly pewter]

if that is the flander gun then it is champy side grade

[sweet delta]

It can be used by most BBs against medium or heavy bosses

[nocturne glade]

I see, ty!

[nimble knoll]

I mean, I can make her LB2 but not Mlb, Though it's with the bulins, but I'll wait and see if the new UR is worth it

[tender girder]

should i take izumo to 125?

[warm flax]

No

[worldly pewter]

when she is the strongest BB in the dock why not ?

[hollow gust]

why would you 125 a BB you can easily replace

[thin nova]

doesnt leveling a ship to 125 just give a small stat boost?

I dont feel like needing to do it for now, till chap 13, 120 is more than enough ngl

[vocal sandal]

Which dd should I get from the medal shop? (I'm a new player)

[thin nova]

kazagumo?

[peak moat]

Blud you don’t need to 125 anything that early on your account

[thin nova]

Idk how good she is for new player but she's good in the future when you use CV comp

[hollow gust]

BB: Hood, rest for tech
CV: Enterprise
DD: Kazagumo
CL: Sandy Sirius
CA:ignore

[worldly pewter]

no only that
it is a damage modifier if u are in a 25 level range from the enemy
well i said that because opsi mostly although izumo has a siren skill but a damage boost is also appreciated

[peak moat]

Kazagumos value isn’t tied to her level

[vocal sandal]

Rn these are my fleets. Which one do you think will be helpful now? I'm yet to complete 4-4

[hollow gust]

BB: Get Ironblood for tech
CV: Enterprise
DD: Kazagumo
CL: Sandy Sirius
CA:ignore

[worldly pewter]

replace shinano with unicorn and shire with helena i guess
u get them from the guild shop

[vocal sandal]

Unicorn? And what's shire?

[hollow gust]

also stick to one fleet

Unicorn Vittorio Enterprise
Portland Helena Laffey

you get helena and unicorn from guild shop coin, get unicorn and good stuff, reset and then grab helena

[vocal sandal]

Alright. And the rest I just put em into another fleet?

[thin nova]

here is unicorn

she works fine without retrofit

[fickle hollow]

What does the New year thing do ?just a message?

[peak moat]

Nothing just message

[thin nova]

but you should retrofit her as soon as you can

[vocal sandal]

Alright thanks a lot all of you

[vocal sandal]

I'm yet to find out what those things even means lol, but alright thanks

[hollow gust]

after you redeem yes

[thin nova]

check your portland, she has retrofit on the top left, some ships has it, upgrading retrofit gives more stats and skills

normally retrofit makes one ship significantly better

Unicorn is alr very good without retrofit, but you should do it if you can because that will make her even stronger

[vocal sandal]

Oh ok I'll see that

So besides unicorn, whom do I retrofit

[thin nova]

helena probably the 2nd best option, she's not very good for newbie tho

I think Portland is ok, she very cheap to retrofit

[woven star]

Unicorn without refit in late game do nothing. Best thing of uni it's her preload. Without that she is average cv ship

[vocal sandal]

Aight

[thin nova]

he's newbie, doesnt need to care late game that much, early on unicorn without retrofit does fine

[hollow gust]

Thats just a terrible take, preload is a nice to have;not a make or break for unicorn

[thin nova]

when he reach late game, it's weird if he doesnt retrofit lol

[storm heron]

helena is very low prio

[thin nova]

actually, saratoga is ok too, but she's also low prior to me

may be laffey? idk, I dont feel like needing to retrofit her, I used her elite form till chap 11 and she works just fine, after that, I forgot about her since I got better ships to use

[woven star]

When your team slower dies in opsi because enemies died before she launch her crafts too late he will decide refit her and spending more time for that

[hollow gust]

?

how does that apply to best thing about Uni is her preload, best part is her increase utility with the abiity to heal backline

[thin nova]

unicorn doesnt have preload if not retrofit

I think that's what he meant

[vocal sandal]

And for my 2nd fleet?

[hollow gust]

dont upgrade one yet, you just cant afford it