gameplay-help

[soft raft]

push to W12 asap
then you can comftorably farm there

And also start grinding Operation Siren when you get around to that

[deft dagger]

why world 12

and what does operation siren give you

[soft raft]

/oilcap for the first reason, and the second is that it's a good balance of XP and gold without being too difficult once you get it down to safe difficulty

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[stark quiver]

world 12 is flexible in terms of usable ships to grind
also they give cogs and good oil/xp&coin

[soft raft]

Operation siren namely lets you grind materials for gear lab, where a majority of the best gear in the game is obtainable from

you basically will need to do OpSi if you want to push W13+

[deft dagger]

i stg im doing more research for this game than i did in school

[stark quiver]

complex gacha game

[storm heron]

so did everyone pretty sure

[woven star]

as all other gatcha games. at least this more complex and fun instead of others I played. and little bit comfortable. these bulins make this gatcha game more easy

[white agate]

first time i researched something about this game oxytorp had still its ancient name

[deft dagger]

if im pushing for world 12 should i be worried about team comps

[keen sable]

Not the point. You should eventually get more. There's no mechanism to get hedgehog

[woven star]

my bad I thought it drop elsewhere

but I mean another point. In w13 one hedgehog wasn't enough for my mobing team, so I put ASW ship for Unicorn slot too

[soft raft]

You can give this a read if you havent already
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

Otherwise feel free to post your dock in a thread

[eager mulch]

W13 doesn’t have subs

[woven star]

w14 then. some end stages

[deft dagger]

whats with all the reading in this game, the equipments tab is already straining my eyes

is non max limit broken new jersery fine? her first ability is kinda cracked anyways

[woven star]

open picture in another tap and scale it

[ivory pawn]

Wouldn't typically be recommended. MLB unlocks a lot of a ship's power. Maybe if your next best option is Pennsylvania, but then I'd have other questions.

[soft raft]

no
dont use non MLB ships, especially URs

Go read that guide I linked if you havent already

[woven star]

this fine too
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations
this is from I begun in this game

[soft raft]

you may not like it but if you want to take this game seriously, you gonna have to do reading either way

And tbh once you memorize it, it becomes much less of a headache

[stark quiver]

I never read

[woven star]

maybe because you can't

[deft dagger]

im boutta do that too considering how much ive already messed up, and that they want me to do a lot of stuff I really dont want to

max retrofit portland? she should be lucky i havent retired every single one of her, so damn annoying

[white agate]

reaching w12 and playing normally does not require much info, going beyond w13 and wanting to one shoot meta shodown does

[stark quiver]

Retrofit unicorn first

[woven star]

and then he got w14-1

[soft raft]

[forest palm]

[deft dagger]

is advance boiler just not a good item or what?

no one says to use it but i find the speed quite nice to dodge, and its the backline that does the damage anyways

[soft raft]

there are better auxes for EVA stat

[ivory pawn]

On auto it's a bit mid. On manual or PvP it can be nice.

[soft raft]

and the speed barely matters 99% of the time

[stone sluice]

The only way to get gold plates back is to use the gear to craft something else via gear lab, right?

[soft raft]

for a full refund yes
iirc you can get a slight refund via scrapping but it's comically little

[stark quiver]

25% refund

[deft dagger]

if i dont have the gold version of something like the twin 127mm mk 12 or twin 100mm aa, is the purple version fine?

[ivory pawn]

It depends. Sometimes you might have a better purple gun.

Think you've been linked to the equip image. If you don't have the golds, see if you have the purples.

[keen sable]

There's purple t3 that should be used instead then. Well more like 1 purple t3

[keen sable]

Skill issue. Gross macro movements are not a touhou thing

[deft dagger]

true, its a game about big tiddy lady ships, im not looking to get any world championships out of this

[keen sable]

Manual skill is a thing. You can look at YouTube for people who can dodge through the worst bullet hells but it's based on micro movements and pattern recognition.

[kind needle]

Is lvl 120 ships enough for Taihou lvl 15?

[inland shoal]

There is no 100% consistent kill fleet for her at all so no

[soft raft]

And that's after lvl 125 and the usual tech min maxxing

[stark quiver]

lvl 120 ships are enough to two shot

[cobalt gate]

probably enough to get 75 points

[soft raft]

Yeah two shot is perfectly fine if you aren't a tech min maxer

[rigid onyx]

azur lane as a bullet hell is not really difficult at all

[cobalt gate]

man i need more cores

[kind needle]

Are CV’s (Haku/Amagi CV, Implac, Nano) a better option than BBs on Taihou met (Alsace, Sashi, soyuz)?

[cobalt gate]

i have like 50 arguments sitting there

[rigid onyx]

Fully geared CVs are generally better than fully geared BBs vs heavy

[cobalt gate]

depends on la9 amount

[inland shoal]

Show me a no hit run in almost any battle then

[stark quiver]

its heavy armor
why on earth would you run la9 on anyone whos not named implac

[kind needle]

Like my loadouts are usual Converging with Tenrai (Double saiun with Implac)

[stark quiver]

yea thats fine
whatever syncs

[keen sable]

1 > 2 > 3 > N shots

[rigid onyx]

That's like saying real life is a difficult bullet hell because you can't dodge the rain. You don't need to no-hit, not being able to no-hit isn't a marker of a difficult bullet hell (usually the opposite, in fact).

[stark quiver]

[keen sable]

What exactly does this have to with someone on Chapter 8 thinking boilers are awesome?

[rigid onyx]

You don't need the boiler speed for dodging

[stark quiver]

naw really

[rigid onyx]

I mean i'm not the one who brought up manual skill

It's a gacha skin collector the game isn't skillful mechanically

[stark quiver]

those who know
ex hard

And according to me, you cant brain dead ehp comp

[rigid onyx]

if kimocheese can do it anyone can

[woven star]

Yeah, last event Ex was to easy on auto... sarcasm

[stark quiver]

Have you tried reading what I say

Ex hard is its own stage, aside from ex normal in new events
And according to me also, eld skill doesn’t work
Nor does fiercer when cornered

[rigid onyx]

ok and kimo does the ex hard stages

[woven star]

Skill issue, easy game, go next

[inland shoal]

Thx for your helpful input

[stark quiver]

One more thing
Kimo has to manually ex hard
don’t bonk me thorin

[keen sable]

A manual to manually manual ex hard? This is some weird pissing contest BTW. If ex is so easy why is stig consistently high ranked? Everyone can do it if it's so easy.

[rigid onyx]

By the exact same argument EoS aotn is a mechanically difficult task

[viscid swift]

what

[sharp socket]

hi gph what are we cooking this time

[stark quiver]

nothing

[storm heron]

nah, aotn is easy and eos is just C1 with anxiety

[sharp socket]

i see something about kimo so i assume the kitchen is burning

[inland shoal]

A stupid discussion whether manual skill in AL is a thing or not
For no real reason

[sharp socket]

yeah manual skill is a thing, see aurora 131 days 15-4

[storm heron]

nah dodging bullet hell in EX is not even difficult, I never even play touhou, I just spent like 6 hours on last event and I ended up getting a consistent 7k. Results may vary since I played on iphone 13 and I am healthy

[woven star]

Played once bullet hell gatcha game. Name something like SkyFortres or like that so if AL too easy can try that. Not bad but boring in some aspects. Little oftop and time to sleep for me. Gl.

[deft dagger]

is the twin 203mm skc worth buying in the event shop

[eager mulch]

event limited gear is always a purchase

It’s the best gold AP CA gun

[deft dagger]

is using the purple version of the recommended gold twin 127mm mk 12 and twin 100mm type 98 fine, or is the gold recommended for a reason

[whole crypt]

they're better, for one, but if you don't have them then poverty gear

[deft dagger]

i get that sometimes no gear is better than bad gear, so i wasnt too sure

cause sometimes they specifically list a purple version

[whole crypt]

well one tier lower for recommended stuff is basically never falling in the bad gear bucket for that purpose

there is zero case where a purple version is a higher recommendation than the gold version - if it looks like it that's because the gold version is actually not the same gear like the twin 410

[sweet delta]

Empty gear is almost never better than bad purple/gold gear

The extremely few cases is maybe an empty BB gun slot is better than a bad BB gun on a ship with a very strong on-fire barrage

[whole crypt]

even bad AA guns are better no AA gun nowadays isn't it

[stark quiver]

no gun

[deft dagger]

apparently according to one guy no gun is better than the Twin 20mm Oerlikon

[sweet delta]

Empty aa gun is better than some +0 gray AA guns

[deft dagger]

what exactly is +0 on that thing

[whole crypt]

that and in any place where AA matters at all comparing shitter AA guns and no AA guns won't save you

[deft dagger]

what makes is so tremendously horrible, and why does it exist then

[sweet delta]

A +0 purple twin 20 oerlikon is debatable, but enhance it a few times and it definitely becomes better than no aa gun

[whole crypt]

ask the devs

game has plenty of shitter gear for historical reasons I guess?

[stark quiver]

some equips are made to make others shine
and history ig

[slow fox]

suchimisinformation at it again smh

[whole crypt]

memisnfobot!

[slow fox]

I'll remember this.

[whole crypt]

why the heck would you want to use Drake as the DPS yardstick over bulin

[viscid swift]

I still advocate for one of the starters myself

[slow fox]

Ah, it looks like there's still much discussion to have.

[eager mulch]

mebot if gph was a tell tale game

[slow fox]

Laffey, of course.

Have I heard your argument for one of the starters yet?

[silk sphinx]

Gph being as peaceful as I remember

[eager mulch]

my argument is the starter is the first ship they get

[sharp socket]

z23 as starter stick?

[slow fox]

-#

[sharp socket]

i fat fingered

[whole crypt]

ehh Laffey is slightly higher off the top of my head and also available immediately for all regions

[slow fox]

When I start making DPS though, it's probably going to make ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE EXTREMELY upset.

[stark quiver]

cant please them all

[eager mulch]

i would never get upset at you mebot

[stark quiver]

i love you mebot ill never be mad at your creations

[storm heron]

unzen should probably be a stick since she has 5-5-5

[slow fox]

Please approach my creations with healthy scrutiny

[sharp socket]

also your dps chart will be funny cause of gear affecting it

[slow fox]

I'm putting Rudder Toolkit on the chart.

[sharp socket]

might need 3 dimensions or an assload of disclaimers

[slow fox]

"We should use Unzen as DPS stick"

"We should use Anchorage as eHP stick"

[viscid swift]

No but pretty much boils down to that's the ship most people are likely gonna be familiar with that has something resembling damage so it makes the most sense as a reference point

[sharp socket]

also any one of laffey z23 and jabburin are available as starter

[stark quiver]

whts with people using top of the line ships as a baseline

[slow fox]

I'm not 100% sure what that bias is - but I'm explicitly AGAINST using high performant ships as the baseline.

[sharp socket]

its not top of the line, just the lowest of the top of the line

[stark quiver]

then everything is just gonna be omega - and youre gonna have a shit chart

[slow fox]

"Wow, the new IJN DD is 0.12 Napolis."

[storm heron]

hmm I think it's just because they ain't relatable, true

[eager mulch]

obviously we should use Hindenburg or unzen as a baseline

[stark quiver]

thats not it
it just makes a bad chart

[slow fox]

It's the same chart. I think it makes it less interpretable.

[whole crypt]

well there aren't any actually good commonly accessible early game ships that are actually relevant on the high end of DPS charts

[sharp socket]

having z52 be like 269% of z23 would be pretty funny though

[viscid swift]

No we should use Colbert

[slow fox]

I wouldn't call Portland actually relevant on the high end of eHP charts either, right?

[storm heron]

both laffey and z23 has 1 in heavy though, but Javelin like 1 1 1

[stark quiver]

what

[slow fox]

Where are these numbers coming from? Suchichart?

[eager mulch]

MBRB Austin

[stark quiver]

mebot, dont make a dps chart
we dont rly need it

[whole crypt]

yeh but top DPS ships are probably going to be over 300% Laffey

[stark quiver]

ill give u a dollar to improve ehp

[eager mulch]

the year is 2026, mebot made a dps chart, gph was never the same again

[slow fox]

See, the community didn't need an eHP chart, either. I'm doing it for a study, and to allow more critiqued input into the game for the entire playerbase.

[whole crypt]

also accounting for armour type and gearing

[viscid swift]

That as well

[stark quiver]

"erm says here that X is 1000% of Y "
says gph in 2026

[slow fox]

Definitely going to keep L/M/H armor separated.

[sharp socket]

that was what i meant for gearing

[whole crypt]

we have rather standard sets for durability aux but not weapons

[rigid onyx]

just make portland the yardstick again

[slow fox]

I honestly kind of like that idea lmao

[sharp socket]

because guns, so you need either alot of disclaimers, a lot more data or something else

[whole crypt]

accessibility of good weapons is also quite different than toolkits and rudder

[sharp socket]

3 dimensional plot graph for dps

[viscid swift]

Wild card but what about Kawakaze or Scylla

[slow fox]

Rudder Repairkit is "universally standard" or something. No such thing when offensively gearing a ship?

[viscid swift]

Well depends on how much eHP you need

[sharp socket]

ehhhh for vg it only matters for CA and CB

[rigid onyx]

Just rank every 350c3*350c3 compositions for each boss in an ordinal list

[eager mulch]

Helena

[viscid swift]

Like if you don't need more eHp you'd run offensive auxes

[sharp socket]

because DD and CL have a couple universally good guns/torps

[slow fox]

coward

[stark quiver]

guys
whats the best build for a UR bulin in w15

[slow fox]

-#

[whole crypt]

I think just skip on offensive auxes even for basic, but different DDs wanting different guns is already a bad start

[slow fox]

That's going to be one hell of a lookup table.

[viscid swift]

Oh I am

[sharp socket]

some DDs want good guns, some want fast guns

[eager mulch]

smh not even vampire II

[sharp socket]

some CL want DD guns or fast CL guns

[rigid onyx]

what cl wants cl guns if they can run dd guns

[slow fox]

Okay, here's a compromise. When I publish eHP4, I'll call it eDPS.

[whole crypt]

DD gun CLs is less varied than DDs themselves

[slow fox]

What about for CAs?

Wait, are we also expecting me to do the backlines when I publish DPS? No, right?

[rigid onyx]

how will you account for range

[viscid swift]

usually just between the Hindenburg, Unzen, and Drake guns

[whole crypt]

CAs I think you're fairly safe basing on gold eugen gun except for the 2 HE shell buffers and Drake

[stark quiver]

just pick a single varible

[slow fox]

My current plan is to, just for the moment, do raw output with no other considerations.

[whole crypt]

well is this meant to be a meaningful yardstick for top end

[slow fox]

No. I think the top end is too full of niche considerations that change too often.

[whole crypt]

the mid and low range has little to no relevance though

[viscid swift]

it's not like damage is ever a deciding factor anyway, eHP unironically usually more decisive

[slow fox]

-# EHP MENTIONED

[whole crypt]

yes because outside of the top DPS options main fleet damage completely outshadows vanguard

[viscid swift]

It probably makes more sense for our purposes to take like the top 50 damage vanguards and just do a basic comparison against light, medium, and heavy armor noting any discrepancies or other factors that might impact performance

[rigid onyx]

getting an ordinal ranking of ship eDPS for the mid tiers would probably be more novel information though

everybody already basically knows about the top down rankings, and paper methodology limitations would honestly make any surprising results for the top-end dubious

[forest palm]

while raining, near a lake, on Tuesday, on an even year, on an odd day, during the winter solstice..

[olive geyser]

in terms of dmg, hakuryuu > shinano?

[whole crypt]

if you want a somewhat meaningful high end yard stick then maybe rainbow duck An Shan as 100%

[viscid swift]

are we considering them solo or

[whole crypt]

novel or not it's useless

[rigid onyx]

kind of? Haku gets more damage on the end screen but with buffs in a proper fleet shinano contributes significantly more than haku

[sharp socket]

ok guys i have a scenario for when this chart might help
lets say a guy at w12 has takao, montpelier and swiftsure, he has alot of bulins and is lacking a dps for opsi, he can check the dps chart to see who is best

[eager mulch]

mebot

[whole crypt]

I'm not going to be concerned if tech fodder A does more damage than tech fodder B

[slow fox]

I think I'm fine with getting such novel information. It makes the mid levels more granular for us. Even if it IS useless. No one has ever asked me for the eHP of Acasta, for example.

[whole crypt]

like cheeky said eHP is more impactful

[rigid onyx]

any list is useless from that perspective because you'd just throw rainbows + the select few chosen golds/purples and 99% of ships are in the trash

[sharp socket]

hey mebot whats the ehp of baltimore vs cleveland

[viscid swift]

and thanks to your eHP chart I am confident that any ship can handle W12 seeing as vampire did fine with that loadout and she has like the lowest eHP of any vanguard barring bullins

[forest palm]

thanks for describing the current state of the game

[whole crypt]

the problem with "mid range" vanguard DPS is it's just picking off whatever's left from main fleet attacks if it's not on the top end

[slow fox]

This sort of insight is one reason why I think something like a comprehensive listing is good for community contributors and gph/al-help denizens.

[rigid onyx]

news: when optimizing in a game where you are given every ship you only use the best ships ignoring the rest

[whole crypt]

theres very little meaningful comparison

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

if I'm gonna be blunt, unless there's a particularly standout choice I'd honestley rather at that point start looking into tech

[slow fox]

I also like this example.

[sharp socket]

i don't remember getting that recommendation back then

[viscid swift]

like, I get your point but I think the likelihood is that the choice is probably not gonna matter because the ships available are gonna similarly mediocre for damage, relatively speaking

[forest palm]

there's already key ships that are better to grab than what you'll get off of an SSR gacha

[whole crypt]

I don't though because you could use 3 fodder DDs and have a similar result

like I said once you're off the high end for DPS the relevance drops drastically because of main fleet damage

[slow fox]

Should I do the DPS chart for main fleet only then?

[viscid swift]

like, I can definitely see it handy in one specific scenario but only one
when I'm going through building fleets for W14 with docks that have relatively pedestrian options

[rigid onyx]

having an ordinal ranking would still be useful information though. If you have a choice between eugen and port and you know both are going to survive a fight, you could then look at a eDPS chart to select the higher one

It could also show the eDPS of buffs or ships who you know are kinda bad for dps but give you a better idea of if their dps + the buff makes the damage contribution worth it.

[forest palm]

a DPS chart for vanguard is interesting..like a novelty, it may help reevaluate some vanguards' value, but on the whole

[viscid swift]

well the counterargument to that would be both of those ships have terrible damage so it wouldn't really matter which you choose

[slow fox]

I'm here for the study. Perhaps of both main fleet and vanguard.

[rigid onyx]

For the love of the game.

[viscid swift]

and effective/real dps is just another rabbit hole that has no bottom

[sharp socket]

well if im making the effort to ask gph for something id want a good answer and not just "use whatever everything you have is shit"

[rigid onyx]

main fleet eDPS chart probably holds a lot more value, and because of not having to deal with stuff like range and vanguard movement I'd guess that it's more accurate too

[slow fox]

I think that docks with relatively pedestrian options will also show up in here many times.

[viscid swift]

well it's blunt but hardly wrong in the right scenario

[forest palm]

in terms of oversimplification that is sometimes what it boils down to

[whole crypt]

we do detailed recommendation based on what you have assuming you actually have shit that works

[viscid swift]

a lot of the times all you have is just garbage, the choice doesn't matter sometimes

[sharp socket]

if someone gets that answer for the first time they get into gph i don't think theyre gonna come back

[forest palm]

well thankfully no one but Torva does that

[whole crypt]

the first step is needing to understand if we say it's all shit it's because what they have really won't work

[stark quiver]

i came back

[keen sable]

you can also ignore us and just do it. some people apparently are willing to accept 85% reset rates but gph as a rule doesn't recommend anything that will only succeed 1 out of 6 times

it's pretty rare for anyone to be hard stuck on say 11-3 forever

[slow fox]

-# Hey guys, I've been on 11-3 forever. I can't seem to get past the 3rd mob fleet with my fleet so far. Can I have any tips on what to avoid?

[whole crypt]

if the person asks we do usually try to see what they have and pick out the best, or at least least-worst options if they work

[stark quiver]

change your name from berke to smth else and you will be successful

[sharp socket]

yeah now imagine if you had a dps chart to check with because surely you dont remember the performance of every single ship

[slow fox]

I THINK

Y'all have a VERY good idea of whereabouts a ship is for DPS.

[whole crypt]

exactly? no. ballpark? yes.

[keen sable]

i suspect dps is calculated far more often than people admit. the anti-math crowd also seems to be in a lull.

[viscid swift]

we don't admittedly, but say, does the exact damage of Leander vs Omaha matter in 99.9999% of scenarios

[slow fox]

Maybe not just one GPHcel, but the lot of them together can probably construct a list superior than anything I'd take 5 years to make.

[sharp socket]

for example there was this time someone was asking for fleet help, he had alot of golds and very few rainbows wanting to do w14 or something and i was completely lost on what to recommend because i didn't recognise 75% of the ships or what they do

[viscid swift]

okay that's a different scenario entirely almost

[whole crypt]

that's why the vets make the recommendations, if you're up to 14 the DPS chart will be scarcely helpful

[sharp socket]

so yknow if there was more info laying about it wouldve been very helpful but cheeky fortunately knows every ship and gave him a recommendation

[sweet delta]

But Portland is top 20% vanguard ehp, is that not high performance?

[slow fox]

Cheeky 🤝 UniqueName

"You probably shouldn't use Kumano here. You're better off with Stremitelny."

[viscid swift]

uhhh

[sharp socket]

see mebot gets it (i think)

[viscid swift]

I would never reccomend ASW? tech over CA FP

[whole crypt]

at 14 you're considering the full package - DPS ranking won't help that choice

[slow fox]

I don't want to fact check this

Holy crap he's right

[whole crypt]

he is

[slow fox]

But is that high performance?

[sharp socket]

cheeky's recommendation had like 4 ships i don't know so id say it worked

[slow fox]

Get nerdsniped

[viscid swift]

I mean that's the thing though, if you don't know why something works just ask

I'm usually down to explaining the recc if someone asks

[whole crypt]

yeh

[slow fox]

DD HP and HIT apparently

[viscid swift]

yeah hit at 120, still would prioritize CA FP

[keen sable]

DD EVA ftw

[forest palm]

this is how I always order it, though TRP is probably more important than RLD, and possibly Hit

but since there's less in terms of bulk for RLD, and Hit you'd chew through those two categories faster

[slow fox]

Summary:

Main fleet DPS more important

NO one really cares about granular vanguard (or even mainfleet) DPS

Veterans already have a good idea of DPS references - global reference not really needed.

Veterans can also take into account context

[sweet delta]

So the DPS baseline should be laffey retrofit with unique augment, mog gun, imp quad mag, twin 134, and no offensive auxes?

[viscid swift]

I would argue no

[slow fox]

Suchi pigment is the resident superveteran here.

[sharp socket]

twin 128

quad mag normal mag, normal AA

[viscid swift]

the most vanilla build possible

[sharp socket]

balanced build basically

[slow fox]

Give me vanilla builds for all ships. I will calculate their DPS hehehe

[viscid swift]

hmmm

[sweet delta]

So mogador DPS should also be calculated assuming she has twin 127?

[forest palm]

Suchi askin the dumb question by using a limited gun

[slow fox]

-# Yeah.

We can't call him dumb he literally has Sandy 8K IQ

[viscid swift]

I think there should be diffferent calcs not only for different armor types but poverty and endgame type builds

[forest palm]

I don't care for his over inflated ego

[viscid swift]

not only accounting for better equips but +13 and tech as well

[rigid onyx]

complexity creep

ig once you have the formulae complete you can just copy paste builds (i assume)

[slow fox]

Man, I'm bad with complexity creep. eHP3 is so inflexible despite all the parameters I stuffed into it

[viscid swift]

some ships of course have it easier than others

like Kawakaze's build really doesn't change at all

[forest palm]

I mean I don't mind a vanguard DPS chart, it could give a sense of scope to the layman, but I feel at some point we have already standardized certain ships as a benchmark

[sweet delta]

Is kawakaze DPS relatable to many people?

[stark quiver]

no

ok guys
whats a frontline we all use that isnt overly cracked

[rigid onyx]

It would be cool if you'd have a sheet storing all equipment data and then a new sheet where you can select the ships' parameters and enemy parameters and calculate eDPS for any loadout

[viscid swift]

Helena, San Diego

[forest palm]

but it gets confusing unless you note how the ship achieves its damage

[viscid swift]

Kazagumo

[stark quiver]

why dont we use helena as the bench mark mebot

[slow fox]

That's how the people do it for all the eHP sheets I've seen that aren't mine. Both of which also happen to be DPS sheets that are also configurable.

[slow fox]

Don't ask me, ask the veterans. I will literally use Bulin if they told me to.

[viscid swift]

the issue is Helena's is also not really relevant

[forest palm]

honestly could just use Portland unironically

[rigid onyx]

I'd say either just do the ranking and take the literal median ship, or just use port x2

[stark quiver]

bruh just use port then lol

[viscid swift]

the closest you're gonna get is like San Diego or the DDGs

but they have their own issues

[slow fox]

Okay, hear me out. We can use Portland Unironically. Then we can multiply the two values together, measuring ships in port^2.

[sharp socket]

so against heavy armor maihou

[whole crypt]

Sandy and DDGs are like top 5%

[rigid onyx]

ddgs are like top 10 for dps already

[stark quiver]

did you not give them gear cel

[slow fox]

5% = 10

[rigid onyx]

proof by alo gph

[sharp socket]

ply is 237.48% of laffey retro on heavy

also my laffey is oathed so like -5% from her

[rigid onyx]

now normalize for all tech

[sharp socket]

also miraculously this comp 2 shots

[stark quiver]

and mebot, just go 0 tech gaming

[slow fox]

Yeah, I plan on 0 tech.

[sharp socket]

this is what they have

[viscid swift]

that may or may not be the way to go

[stark quiver]

0 tech gaming is absolute W because everyone can relate

[slow fox]

Okay, we've figured out ONE thing to set for this future DPS chart.

[rigid onyx]

does ply have an hms equipment

[stark quiver]

whats the one thing again?

[sharp socket]

and now ply is only 153% of laffey

[viscid swift]

I think if we're gonna go so far as to account for different gear, tech should be a consideration as well

[sharp socket]

this is not a very scientific testing because i just realised i have tech

[stark quiver]

0 tech
all +10 gear
portland^2
and run like double tk
see mebot, its not that hard

[slow fox]

Tech is simple to implement, imo. I can just put in a slider that defaults at zero.

[whole crypt]

0 tech is fine it's gearing that's a bigger headache

[rigid onyx]

just list every single possible configuration of portland gear

portland^naninf

[slow fox]

My face when the DPS chart has 2.33E3 portlands on it

[viscid swift]

is that a challenge or...

[slow fox]

Cheeky should set your reminder to "SET YOUR SECRETARY"

[stark quiver]

fake belfast fan

[forest palm]

clearly find a vanguard DPS chart from CN, and cannibalize it

[stark quiver]

[soft helm]

Someone remind me please, can META give us a valentine card?

[slow fox]

Fellas, I don't know how to tell you this, but we need to stop worshipping CN numbers. They should be criticized like I am criticized.

[stark quiver]

i cant read cn, therefore, they do not exist to me

[whole crypt]

I'd criticize CN chart but I don't read it like a bible

[viscid swift]

fixed

[stark quiver]

maybe some gph goers do
worshipping tls and charts like bibles

[whole crypt]

it's almost always a ballpark reference

[eager mulch]

I hate ectl

[stark quiver]

ectl is cool

[sharp socket]

balanced port?

[stark quiver]

i get general gears from there, 10/10 rly helpful

[slow fox]

D tier portland
B tier portland
S tier portland
EX tier portland

[viscid swift]

sure

[soft helm]

Alr thx @forest palm & @viscid swift, time to wait few more hours for a gift from Nagato META then

[slow fox]

Should I just use BIS L/M/H gear for the DPS chart?

[whole crypt]

I stuck with base Nagato

[viscid swift]

done

[slow fox]

:mutsuki:

[viscid swift]

and this is not a suggestion

[sharp socket]

what if i dont have belfast

[stark quiver]

skill diff

[viscid swift]

this is what we call a "sucks to be you" issue/s

[slow fox]

I'll be back in 2 weeks with more insight.

[stark quiver]

is 1 la9 bp a day pace good

[sharp socket]

ply is 261.11% of portland dps against heavy armor maihou on 0 tech

[whole crypt]

quite

[stark quiver]

nice

[viscid swift]

I wish I got 1 BP a day

[whole crypt]

but 🎲

[sharp socket]

and yes i 125'ed port for this

[stark quiver]

truth be told
my pace was quite bad
but then i got 12 bps in the span of 3 days so

[whole crypt]

my first 2 copies were on good pace my 3rd and now 4th are stalling

[stark quiver]

im only at 113 bps rn

[viscid swift]

catching up to me then, only at 127

[sharp socket]

my pace is 0.4 now

[stark quiver]

you also got your pr7s done like a good 2 months earlier than me cheek lol

[viscid swift]

precisely

[sharp socket]

after 4 runs of maihou i can conclude that ply is 240.34% the dps of portland on heavy

also musashi is 1122% of portland on heavy

[unborn saffron]

Hood or north Caroline for mob fleet flagship?

[sweet delta]

Hood if you're a new player, neither if it's for chapter 15

[polar lion]

Suchi how many La9?

[unborn saffron]

Thanks

[cobalt gate]

so i copied a team to do meta elizabeth but its not consistant for one shot anything i shoud do?

[stark quiver]

sashi gun too slow

[sweet delta]

Give Musashi daisen gun

[cobalt gate]

which one is daisen?

[eager mulch]

what team did you copy

[stark quiver]

pr7

[cobalt gate]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1t7UuYAEL4/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=f410c91de5fb27a4f8e23293777a0e2b this one

[sweet delta]

And what's not consistent? Maybe your double meta ship is killing knights too fast so then the BBs have to rely on Bisz black hole

[fickle hollow]

I have Completed Izumo,Agir and Hindenburg research ,whom should i do next
I can start the following right now

Pr2-Kitakaze,Azuma,FDG
Pr3-Mainz,Odin
Pr4-Avp
Pr5-Prinz Rupprecht
Pr6-Shimanto,Felix Schultz
Pr7-Napoli

[stark quiver]

avp

[cobalt gate]

i want to kill knights slower?

[fickle hollow]

But many people said that i should just wait for impla rerun as its near

[sweet delta]

Idk, do you just have lower tech and gear?

[cobalt gate]

nah backrow is max fp-1 and max rld

[stark quiver]

is it realy near?

[fickle hollow]

i dont know

[stark quiver]

u cna get shimanto if u want, for w15 ig

[stark quiver]

youre basically stoping urself from getting that 4th shot off from sashi using that gun

[sweet delta]

The video does 460 though

[rigid onyx]

Where exactly are you in campaign & what rainbow ships do you have mlb

[sweet delta]

Maybe the video is just inconsistent

[rigid onyx]

im leaning towards fritz fdg if you're early-mid game

[cobalt gate]

maybe, hmm but i think i only have a +10 daisan gun

[sweet delta]

Then stick with the 460 but maybe try Wichita meta as the only meta ship

You can z52 or Eldridge for the extra slot

[fickle hollow]

12-4 done ,I got Kronsh yesterday and Hindenburg rn

[cobalt gate]

this gun right?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[cobalt gate]

witcha i'm missing a limit break

[viscid swift]

Let me dig up my qe one shot comp

[rigid onyx]

I'd do fdg yeah.

[storm heron]

0 cv rld

[sweet delta]

I was going to recommend mine, but I think a 283mm Alsace is not a good recommendation https://youtu.be/hKxv3Sbzksk

[cobalt gate]

no admiral and witcha has issue

[fickle hollow]

alpha said Avp or Shimanto

[cobalt gate]

oh you doing 460

also is there a good way to syn planes if i actually don't have the ship oathed when copying?

[viscid swift]

can you do that?

[cobalt gate]

i can

[storm heron]

[cobalt gate]

alcese isn't oathed

[viscid swift]

That's fine

[cobalt gate]

which ones need +13?

[sweet delta]

Stack Helena meta as much as possible

[viscid swift]

BB and Helemet's guns would be the main stuff

[cobalt gate]

i need +7 truck?

[viscid swift]

No

[rigid onyx]

implac rerun is probably within 2 months so if you coin AvP 15x/day you'd get her to fs5 in about 40d.

The upside of doing this is that you can delay using your UR bulins on implac in theory (if there is higher prio), and the fact that you get to mess around with avp a 3cv stop fleet earlier

Shimanto i just disagree with, as building for w15 is much less important than getting 3 rainbow UR bb up for opsi

I'd honestly just level ark royal and suffer the inconsistency until implac runs atm

[fickle hollow]

my ark royal lvl 85 rn retrofit done

the last one is left at lvl 90

[viscid swift]

here's it with all the gear levels set, pretty much a copy of what I used and it was dead consistent

[sweet delta]

Level 120 fleet

[rigid onyx]

also developing fdg has the other upside of being able to coin up both a DR and PR at the same time

[fickle hollow]

then whom should i do 1st ?Fdg or Avp

[stark quiver]

fdg

[keen sable]

isn't agir being coined?

[cobalt gate]

should i try with just this @viscid swift

[viscid swift]

should be fine, though white shell not black shell on Zwei

[storm heron]

does that helena need goldburn?

[keen sable]

i refuse to 125 helmet and she was fine

[cobalt gate]

going to test it out

btw whats the priority of moldor gun + 13?

[viscid swift]

certainly higher than a 2nd Plymouth gun

[cobalt gate]

i'm in gold plate purgetory

[rigid onyx]

as is everyone

[cobalt gate]

planes and main guns need so many

[rigid onyx]

who's played less than 5 years

[cobalt gate]

i wish i could exchange torpedo ones for planes and guns

[tawdry robin]

wut if i remove everyone from secretary and keep only Oceana or Tb, will i receive chocolates from the one showing there?

[plain saffron]

I believe you can't remove all secretary

Because TB/oceana is not actual secretary

Kinda like Random secretary, "display only"

[fickle hollow]

What stage should i grind with this fleet for Fdg research

[stark quiver]

12-1

missing stars are questionable

[fickle hollow]

will they be able to clear it?

[stark quiver]

can you at least give them better gear
like bz not running a purple +0 aux

[fickle hollow]

i have 11900 protocore points and am saving that for next UR

[stark quiver]

get more shells

[fickle hollow]

dont have enough core data i used them to craft fire crest

[stark quiver]

even a purple white shell is better than that

[fickle hollow]

how abt this

[stark quiver]

its fine

[fickle hollow]

will they be able to clear 12-1?

[stark quiver]

maybe?
if ur vanguard carries good enough

ive done 12-1 with worse

[fickle hollow]

ig i will keep my main fleet on standby

should i do this or put it on all enemies?

[stark quiver]

if it doesnt die and get u an A rank in boss then all enemies

[forest palm]

if this is 12-1, then 1 fleet is more than doable

[sharp socket]

its ok i send 0lb URs to 12-4 occasionally and they live

[forest palm]

me who dragged a Lv 70 Rudder + FuMO Blucher as my main tank on 12-4

she lived 100% of the time fwiw

[stark quiver]

this is the result of 12-1

[fickle hollow]

i cant clear the boss

[whole crypt]

oh wow 🍝 🌈

[rose cosmos]

Those two rings worth the jewels right?

[eager mulch]

for a f2p no

[rose cosmos]

I might pay for it

[eager mulch]

worth involving real money is entirely relative

I do not consider it worth the gems

[rose cosmos]

What do you think is worth?

[stark quiver]

it is a better deal than buying rings normally

980 for 2 as opposed to 1200 for 2
and this is the only ring deal out there
excluding free rings

worth is completely subjective to each person
factually it is a better deal for 2 rings
it can be worth to you bc you wanna oath 2 ships, but it can also not be worth to someone else who doesnt want to oath

[whole crypt]

I think it's worth saving the money for my other game, if that makes sense to you, we can't decide how much money is worth what for you to this game, or if you're f2p whether you're willing to forgo the qol benefits of the same spending

[bright tusk]

On stage without planes/enemy planes not hurt enough, should I use 134mm AA, STAAG, or twin 80mm for ibuki to increase her damage?

[whole crypt]

don't stare me stig I already spend enough for the game

[sweet delta]

Staag for now, assuming it's a boss with some eva

[forest palm]

STAAG is an actual good AA Gun, also take the STAAG

[sweet delta]

||the best AA gun may change in a week||

[forest palm]

after like 80+ electronics

[whole crypt]

if it's legit better than the french I'm making half a dozen

but AA plates

[forest palm]

bets on it being a Spearfish situation

[sweet delta]

If it legit gives more than 10 hit I'm making a dozen

[whole crypt]

I do have a +13 spearfish so

[stark quiver]

if its better than french im uninstalling

[viscid swift]

I will hold you to that

[sweet delta]

Just another day of uninstall and reinstall

[forest palm]

gotta file flush I guess

[plain saffron]

Screenshotted and saved

[molten zinc]

[eternal moth]

Pasta UR should be the next event per Twitter

[plain saffron]

Stream when

[eternal moth]

They didn't announce one yet

[rose cosmos]

Cvl ur when

[mossy kiln]

what do you guys do with excess purple bulins?

[sinful escarp]

keep limit breaking other ships

at some point you will want to get them to 120 for tech farming

[mossy kiln]

no, I meant they're literally just excess, do I just retire them?
will fill up the dock otherwise

[stark quiver]

youre saying you max limit broken every single purple ship you have?
if som retire i guess

[mossy kiln]

what's the max amount of purple in an event, was it 3?
So I'll just stockpile enough for an event

[sinful escarp]

for me i keep a stockpile of all bullins to limit break any ships with

its never enough tbh, rn i only have 2 purple bullins

[nimble knoll]

Is it a Bug if a ship can't get Xp From Pvp and Dorm or is it because they need to awaken first before getting Xp from that?

[mossy kiln]

caps prevent exp from those, uncap them to gain exp again

[soft raft]

Iirc you don't get XP from Exercise anyways

[nimble knoll]

U do tho?

[soft raft]

Oh
Ig I've been using lvl 125s to speed thru so much that I forgor

Tho honestly not like the XP there is really good enough to care too much about

[nimble knoll]

I mean Extra Xp is gud

[viscid swift]

it is but I prefer more merits and thus more gold bullins more

[nimble knoll]

Tru

[whole crypt]

dorm and pvp XP is not awarded if you're cog capped

[polar lion]

So does grinding C1 gets me moar gold plates than grinding C5?

[nimble knoll]

Then should I replace yt2 and put her on 2nd floor?

[whole crypt]

if you're still using her and banking XP yes

[eternal moth]

It's actually a decent amount of XP if you don't care about winning or losing

Especially early game.

[stark quiver]

no
c1 doesnt gib gold plates to begin with
strictly for akashi fishing

[storm heron]

is 96 la9, 219+230+230+232+207=1118 normal?

[stark quiver]

bros at 96 in feb 💀

[storm heron]

I feel like my last 25 la9 takes twice longer compared to my first 25

[eternal moth]

I'm at 98 -.-

[storm heron]

I started building my second one on like november 1

[wind hazel]

pretty slow

[eternal moth]

I know

I am ashamed

[storm heron]

nvm it's december 1

it has been 3+ months

[stark quiver]

3+ month for 1 la9?

its straight up shit research focus then

[storm heron]

at the tail of the luck distribution

[rose cosmos]

Twin 128mm is enough for azuma, right?

[storm heron]

I literally had 22 la9 for the first 31 days, with like one day gaining 3 la9s

[mossy kiln]

speaking of that plane, should I focus it or should I just keep spamming pr5 for plygun?

[storm heron]

imo 2nd plygun is worth less than a 3rd la9

[wind hazel]

yes should be, what's important is her main gun

then again i am not an azuma expert

-# nor am i at anything

[stark quiver]

youre an expert at capturing my heart

[mossy kiln]

oh, is daisen gun the new musashi staple?

[rose cosmos]

Though isn’t cb gun wise there are like only two guns?

[stark quiver]

its faster and does good dmg

[hollow gust]

What are the UR schedules

[rose cosmos]

Since the good ones are event locked

[mossy kiln]

man, I should update my BB fleet
what's the best currently? am running bis2,van,soyuz

[wind hazel]

yes pretty much. there's poverty purple, then azuma gun(i think? HE one) and agir gun

[stark quiver]

for ops?
thats good enough

[rose cosmos]

I spammed pr4 for tenrai so much back then I have a shit tons of agir guns lol

[wind hazel]

i save myself the trouble by not using azuma at all

[hidden garnet]

Bruh I wanna oath Bismark Zwei
If I oath her. Will I get the Bismarck oath skin?

[storm heron]

only equippable to zwei

[hidden garnet]

Roger. Thanks

[rose cosmos]

Yeah, but it’s just using spared weapons for her so why not, I just use for for opsi mob while leveling anyway

Even the 128mm is a spared weapon

[pulsar hornet]

It was left most that gets the Valentines Gift right?

[nimble knoll]

Is this gud? (I don't have good enough ships for 3rd slots.) First pic is for bossing and 2nd is for Mob I'm Doin W10

[wind hazel]

surely you can raise 2nd tank and another vanguard

[stark quiver]

not good bc ur missing a ship

[wind hazel]

the backline is very good already

just need a tank for boss fleet, and another vanguard for mob

take the chance to raise a good DD with high torpedo stats, save yourself from TRP requirement in events or something

[nimble knoll]

I could raise Blucher, But I didn't get copies of her, And I don't have enough gold bulins, and I'm tryna build Kaza (though she's only lb 1)

[wind hazel]

look for cheap version then, london or shropshire

they are what they call budget tank

[nimble knoll]

I got both of em

[storm heron]

for plytech as well

[wind hazel]

yeah just use either one for mobbing, move portland to boss

[sinful escarp]

i recommend london, she was one of my first ships (totally not biased)

[nimble knoll]

Wait Shropshire is a rare right?

[hidden garnet]

Rare. But can retro

[rose cosmos]

Good for heavy?

[nimble knoll]

Are they only gud when retro or can they still be used without it?

[wind hazel]

retro give slightly more bulk to them, but you can skip the retro if you wanna save the BPs i guess, shouldn't be an issue with aquila unicorn

[sweet delta]

London and Shropshire are what they call 🍷 🔫

[viscid swift]

I was about to say

[wind hazel]

wine gun?

[sinful escarp]

glasscanon

[wind hazel]

oh glass cannon?

it's a budget option until anchorage

[nimble knoll]

I don't have any more gold bps cuz Sandy ate them all, And she still needs more to get her other skill..

[viscid swift]

Not a recipe for success, at least for tanking

[wind hazel]

i mean what else is there

[nimble knoll]

Should I send my dock?

[viscid swift]

I'd rather a Cleveland

[wind hazel]

[nimble knoll]

Shud I?

[viscid swift]

more EVA and HP

[wind hazel]

true...

[nimble knoll]

I do hab her, Shud I book?

[wind hazel]

yes

[nimble knoll]

Only problem is I need another Vanguard for the Mob Fleet, Though I may be able to get Mlb Kaza Soon, so that's something

[rose cosmos]

Does sirius want dd or cl main gun?

[storm heron]

just put whatever tbh

[rose cosmos]

If dd can I use 130mm for her

[storm heron]

like her damage won't even matter, give the better gun to someone else first

[rose cosmos]

She is basically a cv buffer rite

Like kazagumo?

[nimble knoll]

Which guns shud I use on Cleveland?

[wind hazel]

the one helena is using as well

[storm heron]

purples, twin 150 tbtsk and twin120

[nimble knoll]

I don't have any other good AA Gun that has a lot of range other than the gun she's using, But this is gud rite?

[soft raft]

Good enough for now

[sweet delta]

Is Cleveland seriously your second tankiest available

[wind hazel]

nachi?

[keen sable]

how does someone exit free mlb blucher with no blucher

[storm heron]

maybe xeno should just mlb blucher, helps fdg tech too

[polar lion]

I can't go inside Nagami?

[storm heron]

it's now azurlane nagami moe

[wind hazel]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/equip

[polar lion]

Oh thanks

Maybe can update the link in the Azur lane tools hub too

[wind hazel]

the what

[polar lion]

Sam's page

[wind hazel]

sam busy person 😭

but yes should let him know i'll ping him

[stark quiver]

@samheart get to work pls

[rose cosmos]

so helena can just use seattle gun plus a 128mm and still work great rite

[atomic abyss]

@vale spindle

[vale gyro]

Best stage to farm T1 parts?

[soft raft]

There's very little reason to go below W12

[polar lion]

Is it wurf to +13 Daisen gun for sushi?

[nimble knoll]

I have Blucher, Just no copies

[eternal basalt]

Use your bulin

[keen sable]

Medal shop? Are you endgame?

[wind hazel]

if you still havent +13 izumo, maybe

[nimble knoll]

I'm out of it

[polar lion]

But I have +13 izumo

[wind hazel]

then not worth imo

[sweet delta]

San Diego

[nimble knoll]

What does Valentine's gift do?

[nimble knoll]

Already using her for 2nd fleet

[shell willow]

nothing, just a memorial item

[nimble knoll]

Is it worth buying the gold tech boxes? (It's 50% off)

[stark quiver]

no

thats like half your already low coin reserve

[eternal basalt]

And remember, pizza UR 27th

[stark quiver]

confirm 27?

[eternal basalt]

CtA 20... soooo

[spare mango]

What's the best 13-4H fleet?

[keen sable]

Elbe's good

[vale gyro]

Yes endgame but am still running out lol I’ve been upgrading a lot of stuff recently

[keen sable]

Yeah medal shop

[vale gyro]

The medal shop is limited

So I’m looking at farming stages hm

[keen sable]

You bought it out?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

[wind hazel]

open tech box and scrap them

[shell willow]

i think every event and campaign below w13 drops

[keen sable]

Do less Q1 and 13+...but if events and 12 aren't enough then 2-4

[wind hazel]

[nocturne glade]

is a skyraider better than tenrai for light bossing?

[keen sable]

You can also open purple boxes

[vale gyro]

What’s Q1

[keen sable]

1 hour Q research which eats Grey parts

[storm heron]

musashi - aquila - unicorn - lafii - z52 - eld
soyuz - nakh - amagi - guam - unzen - sandy

[spare mango]

I need help for 13-4 hard fleet

[storm heron]

oh nvm

[spare mango]

2 lafii💀

[wind hazel]

put unzen boss

[vale gyro]

This helps a lot, I finally found a use for the thousands upon thousands of T1-T3 boxes I saved over the years

[sinful escarp]

does this work for the rest of the rest of w13 H?

[vale gyro]

Thanks

[storm heron]

I changed things

[spare mango]

Soy Nakh Amacv guam unzen sandy bossing right?
What about their gear?

[keen sable]

It doesn't work at all actually

[vale gyro]

Wait I’m clowning I just opened some T1 boxes and I got T1 gear so I scrapped them and got nothing but gold uh if I want T1 parts should I upgrade them to T2 or T3 boxes? Or am I just supposed to spam scrap T1 gear anyways

[keen sable]

Purple makes blue gear which makes Grey parts

[vale gyro]

I see, guess I should upgrade them all to T3 boxes

[keen sable]

Well blue boxes theoretically can make blue gear but the rate is low.

[wind hazel]

triple DD

[storm heron]

standard gear, you can equip conv tbs if you want, iirc the planes there isn't even that bad (probably because of sandy and guam)

[spare mango]

There's cl dd anyhull in fleet1 vanguard

[storm heron]

🤡

[keen sable]

@spare mango

[spare mango]

I'm not sure

[wind hazel]

ez fix, just use shimanto or plymouth

[spare mango]

Okay

[storm heron]

sorry forgot the reqs exist, this is my fleet

[rose cosmos]

Realistically is there actually anyone benefit from the 150mm type 5

[wind hazel]

if your shimanto isnt FS5 yet and you wanna use her for AA purpose

idk about other uses, maybe there's more use

[vale gyro]

I see

I just went through a few hundred and yeah nvm I think I’ll just farm enough to upgrade what I need else i would be spending hours opening all the boxes and then recycling them everytime it hits max depot space

That and the gear obtained doesn’t reliably give me the specific T1 gear parts I need so it probs wouldn’t even give me more than 500 T1 parts of a specific gear part if I opened them all lol

Though I realise I get like 1k gold for each 100+ gear I recycle which is good to know ig

[nimble knoll]

Should I get Another gold White Shell or another gold black shell? (I hab a purple white shell, And I can only buy one of the shells)

[inland shoal]

I guess I'd get a white shell first cuz it's slightly better most of the time

[cobalt gate]

can people even see dossier help request?

[nocturne glade]

who should I take? Or does the number continue going up even if I hold onto it.
Current URs are Rumey, NJ and Z52

[rose cosmos]

Decent for heavy armor?

I'm basically throwing two wyverns on amagi now

[cobalt rapids]

if for bossing not at all

[crimson glacier]

fine for campaign

[rose cosmos]

So aichi and seiun kai?

[nimble knoll]

Probably Shinano

[cobalt rapids]

what are u fighting

[rose cosmos]

Trying to one shot taihou

[cobalt rapids]

yea u want conv tb
and also it will depend on the sync with the rest of ur fleet

[rose cosmos]

For converging I have 3 aichis, 3 seiun kai and 1 vit blue

[cobalt rapids]

they are fine but it mainly depends on the sync

pancake on shinanos first slot may be ok if ure struggling keeping conceal

[rose cosmos]

Do I need a freeze like avp for this

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur other options

avp is not ideal but its better than nothing

[rose cosmos]

Other than that I'm jamming musashi shinano and amagi

[cobalt rapids]

they are fine but shinano and amagi need some form of slow support to land their ordnance

if ure 3 striking taihou will move alot during the first 2 airstrikes causing them to miss

[rose cosmos]

Other than impa and nav is there any other slow option

[cobalt rapids]

they are the best for this fight

eldr is an option but not quite enough

but i would take eldr over avp

[rose cosmos]

I have both eldr and avp

I’m new player lol

[cobalt rapids]

well oneshotting it is a late game activity

run helena and good luck

[molten zinc]

[coral elk]

Got my Ply research done and realized I have a ton of her bps after dev 30, should I get protocore for gear or hope that fs is going to happen soon enough?

[wind hazel]

i'd save for FS

use your pr1-4 bp for protocore

[coral elk]

Well, currently I'm farming Nakhimov to get any protocores for gear

[cobalt rapids]

what does that mean

[coral elk]

I'm farming pr7, not pr1-4

[cobalt rapids]

but wdym by farming nakhimov for protocore
are u taking faces on a completed season ?

[coral elk]

Then I have no clue what for was the 1-4 bp thing

[cobalt rapids]

mori meant catchup

[cobalt gate]

feels impossible for me to 1 shot taihou

[coral elk]

Finished with them long time ago

[cobalt rapids]

try helena

[cobalt gate]

i did, the one i copied said should kill with 2 raidar but i don't think i ever have

probably need more +13 planes

[cobalt rapids]

then ur protocore income drops
its not worth taking face projects in completed seasons for protocore
u should be taking gear projects instead and get more rainbow plane from s7

[cobalt gate]

i got 15 bp last month which never happened before lol. finally completed 1 plane

[coral elk]

Probably should finally get FDG and turn my bp selectors into protocores

[cobalt rapids]

as long as they are for season 4 or less its fine

[cobalt gate]

is anchormage still top tier?

[cobalt rapids]

still one of the tankiest

[coral elk]

Well, pr ones I usually turn into protocore anyway, dr ones I turn into ships I like, but with dr 5 and less it's a bit different

[cobalt gate]

was thinking of giving her a ring for skin

[coral elk]

Ahh, I really don't want to touch FDG

But for the sake of getting gear I have to

[cobalt gate]

so is the next time the 2x ring deal its going to be anni right?

[cobalt rapids]

except the one rn ? who knows

[fickle hollow]

fine for now? got her ~3hrs ago

[wind hazel]

just for leveling it's whatever, give her a rudder instead of that memphis aux

[fickle hollow]

is that main gun worth lvling up?

[wind hazel]

it's the nicest gold AP gun, so i guess

[fickle hollow]

[clever lance]

What’s the difference between quick load and preset and can either of those be used to remove gear from another ship and equip it?

[wind hazel]

quick load can take gear from other ship, preset only search your depot

preset sucks

[fickle hollow]

can she survive 12-1 in the middle position?

[wind hazel]

shouldnt be an issue, unless your entire fleet is pepega

[foggy phoenix]

Once I have Taihou Meta unlocked, how do I get the extra ones needed to fully max her once the current event is over? From the shop?

Like her meta crystal thingies

[wind hazel]

keep doing showdown, you will get all of taihou meta frags by 25k milestone

[fickle hollow]

using this rn for 12-1, for boss i am using my main fleet

for Fdg research

[wind hazel]

should be ok why NJ tho

use another IB ship

[foggy phoenix]

But I don't think I will reach that. I will keep doing it but I just unlocked her because I am somewhat inconsistent in playtime

[wind hazel]

ok it's not ok, NJ is 1LB

[fickle hollow]

i dont have anyother IB main ship

[wind hazel]

then you will have to wait for her to be added to meta shop in the future wait for her dossier

[fickle hollow]

[fickle hollow]

saving Bulins for next UR

[foggy phoenix]

How long does that usually take?

[wind hazel]

im not sure on meta dossier, wiki probably has info, but i guess same ~2yr?

[foggy phoenix]

What. And you can't max her until then?

If you didn't grind it all

[shell willow]

if you dont have the crystals then you cant

[wind hazel]

yeah that's how it is

[foggy phoenix]

Spain but the S is Silent

Maybe she will have voice lines by then

[wind hazel]

have you tried getting scharn or gnei from DC

[foggy phoenix]

I am at 5k points now? How much could I expect grinding the remaining like 20 something days?

[fickle hollow]

DC?

[wind hazel]

divergent chessboard on war archive

[shell willow]

700 for killing your own meta daily twice and then 3x up to 75 based on assist damage

[fickle hollow]

nope i am farming ryusei prints rn in war archive

[wind hazel]

dont do that

[fickle hollow]

[fading crescent]

What ships should I use to grind her data?

[shell willow]

well who do you have lol

that are uss main

[woven star]

You don't have a lot of ships. Are your FdG already unlocked?

I know I spend a lot of time looking another IB ships before can develop her

[cobalt rapids]

grinding cdc with less ships that fill the criteria is not the end of the world

[clever lance]

Is it possible for that daily quest spot to have like 10 stacks or something? No matter how many times I beat it, the stage is still there

[cobalt rapids]

are u clicking the right zone

[plain saffron]

Did you clear the Bright blue one, that's wrong zone
Mission in on the red oort which is actually a diff zone

That's why i go to mission through information tab instead

[fickle hollow]

i should do the combat data collection then i can unlock her

[frigid elbow]

can I ask for anyone to give me up to date fleet formation for 15-3 and 15-4, with included gear, for auto-battle?
I am not good at making good fleet and don't have really any idea on who to use for farming 15-4

[whole crypt]

#bot-spam /w15

[woven star]

I mean there was a guide for research ships and before I get FdG I had Gneisenau, Scharnhorst for my main. On another way I got Flandre when have only one Strasburg for main.

[fickle hollow]

i didnt know abt any guide like this

[woven star]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

[worldly pewter]

u can always post ur dock in a thread and kind people will help u do solid fleets depending on what u have

[woven star]

many ship from that easy to get from shops and some areas

[white agate]

is the announcement on #game-news a call to arms preamble or an event one?

[whole crypt]

we're expecting CTA next week, actual event should be 27 Feb and 🌈 🍝

[nimble knoll]

What world is the best to farm lvls on again? W12?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[hollow birch]

which gun prints are worth buying

[eternal basalt]

Stream 23, event 27, CtA 20 @white agate

[kindred arrow]

why 🍝 did they say something about the faction already?

[atomic abyss]

https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1890249608518848592

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN) on X

【Preview】

The latest intelligence from HQ arrives: A fleet of Sardegna Empire is approaching the port!

Be prepared and stay tuned, Commander!

#AzurLane #Yostar

X · Feb 14, 2025, 4:00 AM

[cobalt rapids]

the stream

[atomic abyss]

stream thumbnail also has da vinci chan yes
https://www.youtube.com/live/5z-BOBkxBiU

[kindred arrow]

Oooooh I see I see

[cobalt rapids]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[white agate]

thanks

[whole crypt]

do you have enough champagne guns and BFGs

[hollow birch]

whats bfg

[atomic abyss]

/wiki BF-109G

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109G_(Carrier-based_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Messerschmitt_BF-109T

Feb 14, 2025, 11:17 AM

[slow fox]

Briedrich fur grosse

[atomic abyss]

the first plane

[hollow birch]

oh the plane, yeah i have 3x champange lvl 13 and 4 lvl 13 of these planes

[whole crypt]

I assume all rainbow gear also done then maybe take PR2 prints to make rainbow AA, but we're also getting a new lab AA gun soon so perhaps hold on to it for now

[hollow birch]

ok good to know i will keep them i have enough of these aa guns too

[whole crypt]

welcome to the protocore overflow society

[hollow birch]

i have too much of everything except main gun and plane prints lol

[eternal basalt]

PR2 prints for gear? Eeew, why?

[white agate]

i think the pre ur aa gun gold is there

[whole crypt]

if you're swimming in protocore why not, save crafting trashcan from lab

it's still electronics

[eternal basalt]

Well, get all UR gear with protocore, don't know going beyond that

[worldly pewter]

imo someone is overflowing in proto should be 10x overflowing in electronics so it doesn't matter in the end

[atomic abyss]

not really no

[worldly pewter]

i m overflowing in electronics and poor on protos

[hollow birch]

what are these electronics

[worldly pewter]

these opsi stuff

[wind hazel]

true

[hollow birch]

oh i have about as many as u ig

do i need to stack more like Mori with 2k? I havent played opsi in a while xd

[wind hazel]

even ~500 is considered pretty huge

[whole crypt]

already bought hindenburg gun I'd assume the rainbow gear prints are done

[woven star]

lol I got about 50 per month and still not enough

[worldly pewter]

u can't reach 2k in 2 years

yeah i think the avg is 50 per month

[whole crypt]

I actually stopped counting let me check...

[hollow birch]

i see, what else is important then

[whole crypt]

not much, you just run out of things to buy, it's normal

[cobalt rapids]

closer to 100

[worldly pewter]

how am i at 50 then

[whole crypt]

[woven star]

luck or lack of luck wcId

[zenith heron]

Just the result of playing OpSi since Release

[worldly pewter]

it looks like i miscalculated

should be 84 for me
i started with avg 100 then i substracted what i have divided by the active time on opsi

[frigid elbow]

should i equip my eldridge (retrofit) with hedgehog ASW?
my eldridge is level 10 on all skill

[storm heron]

in some specific content yes

[worldly pewter]

it doesn't matter overall
if u use eld she won't let any sub go through because she has a built in hedge

he is asking for w15 most likely

[frigid elbow]

ok. then I will quip her aux with cyanidin support towel and shinobi attire.
or is there better aux for her to equip?

[polar lion]

Still hopium for the day when I can use em to craft UR converge TB

Does grinding C1 gets me moar paw prints than C5?

I thot C5 can get 2 paw print spawn

[storm heron]

definitely no

grinding c1 for cat nodes is like whaaat

[worldly pewter]

i don't know what the shinobi does but i think the rpg one is also very good

[tame jungle]

iirc it doesn't get any cat nodes at all let me fact check that

[storm heron]

I have never seen it, granted I don't look at my C1

[cobalt rapids]

thats correct

[tame jungle]

fact check true c1 and c2 don't get cat nodes

[frigid elbow]

i followed from slaimuda.github.io, and equip with bubbly-boily chef at +10 instead

[worldly pewter]

i think he meant as ap income wise

[tame jungle]

read this message.

[storm heron]

that's just as good or worse than a toolbox

unless one is dim-witted enough to upgrade to +13

[frigid elbow]

I don't know what I even don't know. thankfully I didn't

YET

[storm heron]

wdym yet

[worldly pewter]

i read it
but also it needs a follow up after farming c1 for ap
at the end of the month u do c3 and not 5 for more cat nodes
that should be the correct nolife tech

[polar lion]

So akshually it shud be C3 not C1?

[river delta]

chat how to grind 1 ans 2 milion exp with iron blood ships quickly

[polar lion]

Use IB ships and grind W12+

[storm heron]

C1 to gain AP, c3 to spend AP. Tho personally I find no significant difference worth the effort compared to straight up just c5

[river delta]

im lv 40 with world 6 and whats IB ship lol?

[tame jungle]

then ignore PR for now

you won't have the resource income to keep research up

[river delta]

i got everything

[tame jungle]

you don't

[frigid elbow]

can I use cat Bellamy, Kidd, Drake for 15?

[river delta]

except this thing

[polar lion]

Iron blooded orphans

[river delta]

no i want roon :)

[tame jungle]

come back to it after you get to w12

[cobalt rapids]

c3 is slightly more akashi per ap compared to c5 for the same cats per ap
but it takes more time

[river delta]

oh hell nah 💀
anyways

[storm heron]

sure tbh if you don't have any better cats with flame/mountain

[polar lion]

I see

Do u think it's wurf the extra time? Or just stick to C5?

[wind hazel]

got time=c3
no time=c5

[cobalt rapids]

if u can afford the time then yes
whats most important is to dump it at the end of month

[storm heron]

sry

[polar lion]

Zamn, I want moar gold plates and paw prints can gib gold plates. Das y I'm tempted

[cobalt rapids]

then do it but ultimately the ap dump at end of month is only the tiny fraction of the gold plate income

[polar lion]

U can but they are scuffed compared to better ones u can get dat hab both unique talents pair

[white agate]

also someone keeps saying c1 for generating ap, but beware that's definetly a lie
every time i tried that i got less ap than i started; c1 is only good to exp farm imo

[tame jungle]

that's a very low sample size of 1 person, there's people who keep track of it and they have had different experiences with it when it worked out

[fringe hedge]

Guys who should I oath

[tame jungle]

girl you like

[storm heron]

guess where that person go

[fringe hedge]

Alr then who should I use for my second fleet

[sharp echo]

uhhh there is unicorn free skin from mail but i cant find it in the skin selection

[tame jungle]

that's a valentine's commemoration bruh

[sharp echo]

oh i thought that was skin
just saw it in depot. what it does?

[tame jungle]

exist

[sharp echo]

bruh

[bright tusk]

Uhh... what is this? Why perseus' gift have two years while the others not?

[polar lion]

How's Atago now compared to Ibuki Unzen?

[fickle hollow]

8$ monthly trade or 10$ Cruise mission?

🫵 ?

[keen sable]

You must have had her both those years

[keen sable]

U pick

[fickle hollow]

i need 400gems so i was stuck btw the 2 choices

[forest palm]

Unique being pepega once again

literally listen to the arrow

[fickle hollow]

should i go with 300+ some resources or 500 gems

[fickle hollow]

i will do that

[south sequoia]

The options appear if you've chosen the girl before in those years

[keen sable]

Neither and get double gems

[frigid elbow]

in Kidd(meowficer) skill effect, what does it mean the IX or IXV?

[keen sable]

those are tempesta ships

vanguard ones

I guess the third skill though can be any IX for the trigger but effect is IX vanguard only

[thin nova]

which aux is good for aegir except this one guys?

repair tool ok?

[keen sable]

more eva

[thin nova]

so radar?

[keen sable]

or sometimes copium reload through goldburn

[keen sable]

more like camo or crystal ice bomb or high heels

[thin nova]

no idea what those are

[forest palm]

tool kit is basic, but works, there's better aux to pick from for sure

[thin nova]

I will use repair tool then

[ivory pawn]

Naval Camo is blue evade gear. Blue version of Rudder works too. High heels = Cosmic Kicks from War Archives SP. There’s also Beaver Squad from Collections.

[thin nova]

hmmm

gotta check them out

[forest palm]

there's some collab gear you can use too, if you have it

[thin nova]

I started playing right b4 to love ru collab

[ivory pawn]

If you were here for November’s To Love Ru collab, the water bottle’s amazing.

[thin nova]

yeah, I guess I will use this one

[nimble knoll]

Should I switch once this hits 150?

[thin nova]

So compare Aegir to Hindenburg, Aegir is tankier while Hindenburg has more dmg right?

[jaunty vault]

ye

[forest palm]

basically 2 ships on the extreme opposite ends of the spectrum

[nimble knoll]

Which PR/Ship should I switch to? (Not like I can build em rn anyways, Just getting the Blueprints)