gameplay-help

[glass basin]

this?

[stark quiver]

yuh

[sweet delta]

Is ply the DPS meter stick

For vanguards

[atomic abyss]

Would be a pretty poor stick
Given most stuff is worse than her
I guess you could consider her as the stick for "excellent vanguard DPS carries"

I would personally consider drake as the meter stick for vanguard DPS

In other words if the DPS is below drake it's not worth discussing

It's like how mebot uses port Kai as the stick for ehp

It needs to be like, relatively more average to be a good measuring stick

[atomic abyss]

Unless you rather view it as
"Anything below ply in DPS isn't a vanguard DPS carry in any regard"

"Any regard" is doing the heavy lifting really

[vale spindle]

once mebot finally does edmg we can set an arbitrary threshold that will solve this debate

[hollow gust]

If you are saying Drake is a dps carry , then might as well call Saint and Roon one too. They literally do as much or more then her

[rose cosmos]

Oh yeah, I just realized, rumey is great with medium and light armors, rite?

[atomic abyss]

I just feel that there's not enough things above ply for ply to be a meaningful yard stick

[rose cosmos]

So stacking her, yorktown and fdg doesn’t sound that bad then

[atomic abyss]

Unless the intention is just to list the "actually relevant" frontline DPS

And not actually a comprehensive list a la mebot

[vale spindle]

Its fine as a general dps backline formation yes

not the best but 3 rainbows is always good until its not

[hollow gust]

That's fine? Cause vanguard purpose is to buff and stall for back lines to fire . Having very few actual dps carries is fine

[atomic abyss]

Oh it's fine
I'm just saying it depends on the intention

Also there's the inherent issue of armour type

[wind hazel]

here is a tierlist of vanguard DPS!
list has 4 ships
thank you!

[atomic abyss]

I mean yeah that's my problem with using ply as the stick

[south sequoia]

Do modernnEX bosses ever let shimakaze nuke them still or no, Im trying to think of scenarios where shimakaze is used outside people who like her

[hollow gust]

DPS CARRIES is very different from ships with good damage

[atomic abyss]

It's like
Using say, anchorage as the stick for ehp

[hollow gust]

Would you call Sandy a dps carry? Cause her damage more often then not is higher then Drake

[atomic abyss]

Don't get me wrong goose, I'm not disagreeing with you

[hollow gust]

There are very very few ships whos dps is more valuable then another buffer

[rose cosmos]

But like, using tigercat for light and medium armor is kind of dumb right?

What about this then

[hollow gust]

This for arby?

[eternal moth]

Vanguard doesn't really belong there.

[wind hazel]

i dont get your point. i also think you don't get our point

[hollow gust]

Cause vanguard doesn't belong

[atomic abyss]

I get both points

And ultimately it boils down to the definition and intention of said list

[eternal moth]

Yorktown/Fritz/AvP would be good though.

[wind hazel]

yes kinda, that setup is very mixed bag

[rose cosmos]

So 2 b190?

What do you recommend vanguard’s replacement

[eternal moth]

Using Yorktown/Fritz/AvP and as many HVAR/BF-109Gs as you can should do a pretty good amount of damage, as long as the sync timing is correct

[eternal moth]

Implacable/AvP/Ark/Formi, in that order, I would think

[rose cosmos]

Should be ok rite

[eternal moth]

There are a lot of factors that go into determining correct planes and timing. I THINK that's ok, but you'd have to calc it out

AvP is pretty quick, so you might need to change that junkers to a Ryusei instead. Are any of your ships oathed?

[hollow gust]

Your frontline need be two eagle ship

Preferably someone like Laffey

[rose cosmos]

Laffey tank?

[eternal moth]

Do you have Guam and Laffey 2?

[rose cosmos]

[hollow gust]

Laffey can tank if you can kill fast enough

[eternal moth]

Laffey or Laffey 2?

[hollow gust]

Laffey 2 ofc , standard Laffey doesn't have the synergy in skills

[eternal moth]

Which is why I was asking if they have Guam and Laffii

[storm heron]

is it gonna be dead week?

[molten zinc]

yep

[eternal moth]

Only new things are a few skins and augments for Aratago and Columbia

[cobalt gate]

so do i swtich secretary before update or its next reset

[eternal moth]

Neither. Tomorrow night

[cobalt gate]

i mean we get a free skin

[stark quiver]

we dont

unless youre talking abt the nubian one

[eternal moth]

Yes we do. Look at patch notes

[molten zinc]

set your secretary before 14th Feb reset

[cobalt gate]

nubian

[molten zinc]

so not today

[sinful escarp]

might as well set them now so you wont forget

[storm heron]

nubian isn't even available right?

[cobalt gate]

i want my 4 affinity

[molten zinc]

her event is long pass

[eternal moth]

Not currently, no

But when has that prevented AL from giving a skin for someone?

[cobalt gate]

maybe permanent soon

[stark quiver]

nubian is from hero to zero event

[hollow gust]

Just sortie twice

[cobalt gate]

that is 1 affnity

[stark quiver]

sortie twice^2

[cobalt gate]

also its for sub

[crisp raven]

AL is nothing but sorties. dead week and event soon tm means youll catch up on the aff. but forgetting to put your secretary means you miss out on the vday gift and message forever

[storm heron]

[golden moth]

Is it correct the the first UR for this yr will be this march?

[carmine heath]

how many days does feburary have again

[molten zinc]

28

[sweet delta]

Atago's DPS increased by 69%, going from 41%/38%/41% of Plymouth DPS to 69%/66%/74% of Plymouth DPS.

[molten zinc]

[storm heron]

nice

[sharp socket]

suchicalcs for dps

[golden moth]

28

[crisp raven]

Assuming devs keep with past trends, the first new ur event should start this month, most likely the last week. wait for official announcements.

[sharp socket]

also regarding the prelims for dps chart i think ply for baseline is ok

because theres quite a number of vg that does more surface damage than ply

[golden moth]

Many thanks..ig im just getting too excited that my nerves cant hold the excitement ahah..hope its iowa or ukraniaaa haha

[sharp socket]

harbin does more than her against heavy on a good day

sandy is like 90-98% ply against heavy aswell

[viscid swift]

not that I care too much but if this is just to contextualize dps, one of the starters would probably be a better baseline

[polar lion]

Nagami skin free or paid?

[storm heron]

yeah how much is ur skin nagami

[crisp raven]

please dont flay nagami its paid

[storm heron]

the only free skin is

[polar lion]

Deym, I thot if put Nagami as secretary can get the skin as gift

Would've been bonkers valentine event ever

[stark quiver]

game gon lose a lot of money like that

[cobalt gate]

how much difference between dev 25 and dev 30 for admiral nak

[sweet delta]

Atago's DPS increased by 69%, going from 41%/38%/41% of Plymouth DPS to 69%/66%/74% of Plymouth DPS.
Columbia's DPS increased by 15%, going from 55%/50%/43% of Plymouth DPS to 64%/58%/52% of Plymouth DPS.

[cobalt gate]

wait atago was worse than columbia pre agument?

[stark quiver]

shit > op

[sweet delta]

Atago now does 545%/598%/909% of Bulin's DPS

[cobalt gate]

welp gotta wait for half more year i guess

[whole crypt]

what's this up from

[sweet delta]

divide by about 1.69

[stark quiver]

whos idea was it to make a bulin the baseline for dps

[frank pulsar]

me (real)

[whole crypt]

nice

[eternal moth]

Naganami skins are OP

[polar lion]

Yeah peak skin must buy

Hope it gets rerun on Black Friday event

[tender girder]

i'm confused about what item u get for your main secretary for valentines

what does the item do? is it a skin?

[viscid swift]

no

It doesn't do anything

[stark quiver]

i see a single bel valentine

[keen sable]

the item is just a reminder. the prize is the love letter mail

[viscid swift]

The message is arguably more interesting

[eternal moth]

It's early enough in the year that it should.

[eternal moth]

The item also lets you get the letter back if you deleted it

[stark quiver]

wait what

they can resend the mail?????

[eternal moth]

I don't know if that's something they're adding in the patch or if it already exists, but yeah

[keen sable]

ever since new mail

[stark quiver]

i can finally, get back the mail i deleted so long ago

wait it didnt give me my mail
it just moved ise infront of bel

[sweet delta]

did you check your mailbox?

[stark quiver]

yea

oh it went to archive

If I pick one I can’t do the other after?

[crisp raven]

honestly, id go back and find the patch notes and/or social media announcements for it to make sure.

[ember roost]

fastest way to get captain exp? And what fleet format?

[coral elk]

Around when should pr5 dr ships get their fs? Or is it completely random?

[stark quiver]

spam 15-4

[storm heron]

What should I do? call Helena?

[coral elk]

Hmm and when they should be coinable?

[sweet delta]

use full fleets (6 ships each)

[stark quiver]

i just tested, i can claim both

[crisp raven]

ty for your service!

[ember roost]

Can’t really 100% it consistently so been farming 14-4 and 12-4

[storm heron]

how does one scan mail?

[ember roost]

Isn’t that a lot of oil tho?

[sharp socket]

there is oilcap

also do opsi alot

[sweet delta]

have you tried pressing the Scan button?

[ember roost]

What does opsi have to do with it

[sharp socket]

you get cmdr exp from opsi

[storm heron]

Oh..

[stark quiver]

also, dont grind for cmdr xp, its like kinda pointless after a certain point

[sharp socket]

its also much more spammable than campaign

[ember roost]

cmdr?

[sharp socket]

commander exp

aka player level

[storm heron]

3-4 mentioned

[ember roost]

sorry not used to abbreviations

opsi gives me like 24 cmdr

campaign gives me like 80-100

[stark quiver]

what level are you rn

[sharp socket]

you get cmdr exp based on your level compared to enemy level

[ember roost]

147

[sweet delta]

ok then

[storm heron]

is 3-4 not good or?

[ember roost]

I cant spam 15-4 bc its not consistent

[sweet delta]

it's slow

[storm heron]

maybe they'll be limited by oil

[stark quiver]

[stark quiver]

just highest campaign stage
how is it inconsistent tho?

[ember roost]

Out of maybe 10 tries it fails 4

rng

[storm heron]

they have auto clear don't you have like all ships?

[ember roost]

yes

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

sounds like they need a remake

[sweet delta]

they need level 127 enemies to not get halved exp, which is 14-4 or 15-2 or 15-3 or 15-4

[ember roost]

I’ll try 15-3

I just wanna hit cmdr 150

[molten zinc]

[sharp socket]

c6 opsi not enough to full xp?

[storm heron]

15-3 doesn't have OoA, good consistency

[storm heron]

pretty sure even stronghold's enemies are like 123, idk about c6

[sharp socket]

stronghold is 128 iirc

i thought c6 is 120-121

[storm heron]

c6 is like 114

[ember roost]

c7 is 130 idk about c6

[ember roost]

did anyone beat hard arbiter 7? I’m stuck after normal

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

stuck on what?

[ember roost]

I can’t one run it and have to keep going back in until I defeat it

[stark quiver]

hard?
you cant leave and rejoin

[lean osprey]

Hi guys question: I just switched to Friedrich der Grobe after unlocking izumo. I already had all her missions unlocked but when going back, the second combat data collection is locked and I cant gain exp toward unlocking her. The 60k coin one is unlocked and ready to submit though. Any idea what it could be?

[viscid swift]

did you complete and submit the first combat data collection mission

[soft raft]

You gotta complete AND submit CDC1 before you can start CDC2

[ember roost]

welp I just give up on it, least I beat normal

[soft raft]

Or you simply haven't finished CDC1 in the first place

[stark quiver]

thats minus vouchers
what fleet are you running

[soft raft]

Normal is where all the main rewards are at anyways tbh

[lean osprey]

I did, CD 1 is at 100%

[soft raft]

Then is it submitted?

[lean osprey]

Yes sir

[soft raft]

Try force closing and relaunching the game then

[eternal moth]

Screenshot?

[lean osprey]

Just tried and didn't work unfortunately

[eternal moth]

You're at 48%

[soft raft]

That's CDC2

[stark quiver]

are you grinding with 3 ironblood backlines?

[soft raft]

If I may ask, what uh
What fleet are you using

[lean osprey]

Yes but it's locked and when I sortie, bat won't move.

[soft raft]

Are you using German BBs and CVs?

[eternal moth]

A single fight may not move the bar, depending on what you're fighting. What stage are you running?

[lean osprey]

I'm using fritz rumey, the same way I did the first 48%. I'm running her with perseus as main since I do t have any more IB ships. Front is agir but that shouldn't matter

Stage 12-4 as before

[soft raft]

1 IB ship
Yeah no fucking wonder it's slow

[storm heron]

I wonder why it's slow

[soft raft]

Three runs of 12-4 with triple ships is like 1-2% for CDC2 on DRs

[viscid swift]

it only increments by percent, one IB ship isn't gonna even make up a percent of 2.4 million for one run of W12

[lean osprey]

Wait so locked doesn't mean it's not getting exp, just that I cant submit because it's not complete?

[soft raft]

Yes

You simply have only been grinding with 1 applicable ship so ofc the grind is at a snails pace to you

[eternal moth]

You don't have any IB main fleet except Fritz?

[lean osprey]

Got it, I'll do more runs see if it moves at all.

[soft raft]

I mean he got Agir so surely he has more

[lean osprey]

Nope. Any suggestion on who is readily available for grabs?

[soft raft]

And iirc agir needs more tech points than FdG as well

[lean osprey]

All my tech points come from vanguards IB

[viscid swift]

Bismarck, Tirpitz, Graf Zeppelin, Brunhilde, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau

[lean osprey]

Thanks for the advice, I'll go back to grinding

[fickle hollow]

should i craft this?

[soft raft]

Meh

On paper it's best against medium armor but it sacrifices performance against heavy armor to do so

Meanwhile Champagne gun is only slightly worse than it against med while way better against heavy

[sharp socket]

im doing napoli cdc with only tashkent, its not that bad honestly

but if you're also getting the ship up to 120/5 and have to level their skills asap then yea farm at highest efficiency with 3 faction ships

[barren barn]

Can the new ur appear today?

[sinful escarp]

there are lots of announcements about new ships in #game-news , and there are always patchnotes, just gotta read them to know

[barren barn]

No ur this month

Or 26th

[stark quiver]

[soft raft]

Highly likely to be at the end of this month

Just hold your horses my guy

[vale spindle]

end of month probably

[stark quiver]

Just wait for cta

[plain saffron]

Next maint is cta so

[obsidian ivy]

Can't wait for the neverending arguments of which faction deserves it more

[faint cloud]

faction war never ends

[fickle garnet]

pre event starts next week

[eternal basalt]

There is a new event EVERY. MONTH... at the end of the month generally

[sinful escarp]

UR sub that will break the sub meta

[rose cosmos]

Kawakaze is still good now right?

[frank pulsar]

for opsi mobbing and campaign outside of w13 and w15 yes, in bossing not rly

[rose cosmos]

What about w14

[frank pulsar]

great pick for mobbing
i personally used her when i cleared a few(?) years ago

[south sequoia]

What atago aug do

[undone plover]

Dmg
FP + eva stat
15% FP buff
15% HE buff
100% chance for double torp
Barrage on torp

[molten zinc]

Ibuki at home

[south sequoia]

Atago torps arent all too impressive so not exactly ibuki at home

[undone plover]

Yeah

[fickle hollow]

What gear skin is this?

the name

[undone plover]

I think this was from the amagi event
Let me see if I can find it on wiki

It might be this one
But I cant login atm to confirm

[fickle hollow]

i have these but they dont look like the ones from the pic

ig i have to wait until the Mt is over

[undone plover]

[fickle hollow]

can u link this page pls

[undone plover]

This is the general gear skin page
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Equipment_Skins
and this is amagi event
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Ode_of_Everblooming_Crimson

[fickle hollow]

Thank u

[south sequoia]

Phoenix gear skin from battlepass

Unsure of which season

[eternal basalt]

Season 7

[fickle hollow]

[undone plover]

Damn I need to improve my gear skin game

[eternal basalt]

2 more seasons and it becomes in the cruise pass shop

[whole crypt]

missing JP spec cores reimbursed

[sharp echo]

today maintenance?

[undone plover]

it is ongoing at the moment
should finish in 1.5 hours

[fleet berry]

Does it count towards the cap?

[whole crypt]

tes

[sage nebula]

What's atago's augment do?

[plain saffron]

why is it missing

[whole crypt]

why is what missing

[forest palm]

[frank pulsar]

huge dmg boost iirc

[spare mango]

No datamine?

[forest palm]

it's just 2 UEs, nothing worth making a dock out of

[spare mango]

Is it worth it to craft atago's augment module?

[wind hazel]

dont think it's worth the coin

[sage nebula]

Anyone having trouble sortie'ing?

[outer cedar]

why is it still locked?

[soft raft]

You need either a purple bullin or a duplicate An Shan

[outer cedar]

oj

ohthanks

[sage nebula]

My sortie'ing keeps getting stuck at 50% and eternally loads

[undone plover]

are u using the new augments?
i think atm they are bugged

[blazing cedar]

Did i hallucinate , i swear i saw eldridge’s retrofit item coming up….

[soft raft]

you must've read the news for the Taiwanese server

[blazing cedar]

So the reruns ships too??

[soft raft]

?
If you mean the wingborne steel wings event, It's having its intial run on Taiwanese servers

Meanwhile for CN/JP/EN, it hasnt even been one year since it first ran Aug 2024, tho the item should rerun sooner than the event

[blazing cedar]

Yeah that one. Ffs. I got all hyped up. So dead week?

[soft raft]

yeah
Also when you think about it, did you really think they'd do 2 reruns back to back lol

esp without any form of prior announcement for the 2nd one

[nimble knoll]

Is this worth doin?

Is the event worth doing?

[undone plover]

which event?

[ivory pawn]

You can literally just enter and exit the minigame.

Literally 0 time and effort, and in return free stuff.

[undone plover]

oh the one for the free skin
why not it costs nothing and gives free rewards

[nimble knoll]

Oowh

[eternal basalt]

Next week also dead week

[blazing cedar]

Sadt. I was hoping bisUR rerun

[eternal basalt]

Soonish... first Implacc, think June

[blazing cedar]

I think implac was the last UR i got before dropping the game. I just got back ton christmas

[nimble knoll]

Is speed Needed on ships?

[undone plover]

only in pvp it matters
it is hardly taken into account for pve content

[nimble knoll]

I see

Once Uni Gets to 120, should I Awaken her or not yet?

[undone plover]

once u start tackling ch14, ch13 hard mode or hard arbiter u can think about 125

[soft raft]

We're still a good ways off from that

[keen sable]

Awakening doesn't really make her do her job better

Some may even consider her worse

[undone plover]

wait... how does she become worse at 125

[eternal basalt]

2nd up, not what I say "far off" (doubt Frostfall will rerun)

[keen sable]

Aren't you w 0lb farmer. Why ask

[wind hazel]

unicorn 120>125? what

[undone plover]

oh ppl use 0 lb uni
i have only low oiled HVAR event D3 and b1-b3 tbh and never needed uni lb0 for that

[eternal basalt]

But he said 120 Uni... that's already MLB

[keen sable]

So you admit you do strange tactics but can't imagine why a 125 uni would steal mvp more on Chapter 9?

[eternal basalt]

Why play chap 9?

[nimble knoll]

I already completed w9, I'm in w10 rn

[undone plover]

relax mate, I was genuinely asking why are u so aggressive

[keen sable]

There's your answer

[eternal basalt]

Where?

[nimble knoll]

This

[keen sable]

@eternal basalt

[wind hazel]

who cares about mvp in ch9 or 10 or 15...

tl;dr is you don't need to awaken unicorn to 125 yet. 125 your UR like yorktown2 first

you can even just save them and let them stay at 120

awaken them later on. you won't need lv125 for the time being

[nimble knoll]

I'll just let Yt2 compile Xp then

[eternal basalt]

He should play OPS aside world... There he can need it

[wind hazel]

maybe

[woven star]

min-max everywhere. I don't see any reason why not awakening uni to 125. uni can hold many lines untill get full good team without heal

[nimble knoll]

How can I have TB To help me in OpSI?.. The siren research facility is getting annoying..

[wind hazel]

because new players don't have unlimited cog arrays, and they got UR to awaken before a healer that does the same thing 120 vs 125

[woven star]

as I know there was a mission to rise 125 ship lvl and reward was cogs and uni was my best 3 ships until I got another something better

[rigid onyx]

125ing a UR first when it's like twice as expensive for cog arrays isn't even objectively correct from a minmax perspective

[nimble knoll]

Not Like Uni Can Awaken Rn, She's 118 but whateva, Yt2 is the only 120 I have

[undone plover]

from a min/max perspective just 125 stuff when u NEED it
120 unicorn clears everything till ch14-ch15 fine

[wind hazel]

you would rather 125 unicorn rather than yorktown 2?

[woven star]

bosses like opsi and guild operations

I had so many time when without uni I can't finish. question only how good 120 or 125 uni

when on last sec you kill boss

[wind hazel]

that's your experience.

xeno has enterprise yorktown2 and aquila. i would 125 any of these before unicorn lol

[rigid onyx]

id much rather recommend investing the arrays into uni and Aquila first than yorkii

[crystal vortex]

[nimble knoll]

I should make Uni Have the Lowest Reload time against my other CV's/BB's Right? Just to make her heal faster?

[woven star]

case of opinion. my enty still 100lvl

[wind hazel]

that's insane. a healer before a DPS that can help you in bossing

[rigid onyx]

in general is isn't worth gimping uni damage to get faster reload

[undone plover]

u want to find a good balance of heal + dmg
usually giving her good planes especially early on is the best option
min/maxing her reload is not needed

[undone plover]

the bb gun isnt the best

[crystal vortex]

Before i use purple main gun

[wind hazel]

where do you want to use that NJ?

[undone plover]

if u mean mk6 then it is better than this gun

[crystal vortex]

Main

[wind hazel]

i meant the content. like w10? opsi mobbing? guild boss?

[crystal vortex]

[crystal vortex]

Opsi

[wind hazel]

vs Light

[undone plover]

early on mk6 is your go to BB gun
if u are fighting heavy or medium armor bosses u want to use the champy gun which u can get with protocore https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)

[wind hazel]

vs medium or heavy

[crystal vortex]

I don't have that yet

[wind hazel]

keep on using mk6 then

[woven star]

btw is any BB AP purple gun before Champi?

[crystal vortex]

Purple?

[undone plover]

then use mk6 till u get it
and when u got it u can come back to ask where to use that gun

[wind hazel]

gold doesn't mean it's good

[rigid onyx]

purple mk6 outperforms most gold bb guns anyways

[crystal vortex]

Ok

[undone plover]

i think mk6 beats all the purples vs heavy and medium already and some of the bad gold guns as well

[sharp echo]

buy cog array right? then rainbow bp? alreayd got blucher

[undone plover]

this gun exists and from a quick glance it doesnt have bad characteristics but I am not a boomer so idk if it was ever used in the past
And it doesnt sync to helena anyway

[woven star]

seems so. I saw Twin 406mm (16"/45 Mk 8) vs heavy but have many doubt

[undone plover]

champy is so easy to make that even if it was good u would ditch it soon anyway

[rigid onyx]

mk6 is primarily anti light so although what you're saying may be true it kinda buries the hatchet lead a bit

[undone plover]

I meant it in the sense that there are not better purples against heavy and medium even tho it is primarily HE and antilight
also burying the hatchet means ending a conflict so I am fine with that

[nimble knoll]

Shud I use Sandy Instead of Helena (In OpSI)

[undone plover]

sandy in mob and helena in your boss fleet if u have 2 fleets I would say

also if u have another blue evasion aux to give sandy it would be better than 2 toolkit

[nimble knoll]

Only problem is my Vanguards, I have good enough Mainfleets for a 2nd fleet, But The Vanguards.. Not so much

[woven star]

Helena ship more about buff team in bosses and sandy about anty-air. opsi good map for free exp so I used them anywhere until maxout

[keen sable]

Don't have 406/50 but flashes a mkd

[nimble knoll]

Aight

Is this worth to +10 or nah?

[undone plover]

I wouldnt tbh

[woven star]

grows Helena at least to 120 then change her in mobing fleet for Sandy as ex. I'm not using Sandy until w12 but with augm. she seems has good dps

[vernal flume]

When should one start to concern about building fleet 2

[keen sable]

Farm blucher harder...

If you don't have a mlb blucher you weren't trying to get new good vanguards

[undone plover]

Usually we recommend chapter 9 since that is when u unlock oil cap and tend to need a second fleet after that

[vernal flume]

Oh I just unlocked 10

Wait me share ss to see

[undone plover]

If u have cracked ships and can still clear comfortably u could just keep at it with one fleet

[vernal flume]

I’m low-key suffering with my current fleet

[undone plover]

Then time for second fleet

[soft raft]

post your dock in a thread

[tender girder]

erm. so FDG research requires me to donate 60k gold.
my max gold stash is only like 57k.

how do i donate 60k?

[keen sable]

Do your daily raid

[nimble knoll]

Welp, I Guess I'll Just Farm more stuff to just get more gold Bulins..

[forest palm]

that's just your soft cap you can go over that

[keen sable]

Collect coin from mail storage

[woven star]

Every week plus gold bulin and every 21 day

Plus pvp

[white agate]

farm 12-4 with oil from the storage

[soft raft]

your actual resource caps are 25k oil and 600k gold
anything lower than that is your soft cap which you can go over, you just cant claim resources from HQ buildings anymore

Not like you'd really want to at a certain point anyways tbh

[nimble knoll]

Is it worth to buy with medals?

[keen sable]

Medals is not merit but both worth

[woven star]

It's almost best buy from that

And maybe best buy gold bulin from merit unless you haven't ship. 15k vs 20

[soft raft]

there's only like one ship in merit that's worth it
and that's Eldridge

But even then she needs her retrofit item to be good

[wind hazel]

there's wolf sub there too isn't it

[white agate]

also some good tech points ships

[woven star]

If have refit for eldridge. Maybe kawakaze too

[mellow cape]

That's so interesting, when you tap fate simulation required BPs for Nakhimov or any other DR, it shows it EXCEPT Agir

[nimble knoll]

This is worth to buy right?

[woven star]

Not sure how good Eldredge without retro

[nimble knoll]

Definitely A Nop, I Joined in January of this year.. So yeh

[mellow cape]

Yeah definitely interesting, I wonder why they excluded Agir from that display

[soft raft]

Currently Agir, all of PR7, and the PR5-6 DRs do not have fate sim

[mellow cape]

I know. You misread what I said

[white agate]

does that mean no fte for agir?

[soft raft]

not all blank blueprints go up to PR7

[wind hazel]

agir too good for FS

[white agate]

i think you misread, he told nak has it too the 0/268

[mellow cape]

No, reread the statement and the screenshots hood.

I said, when you choose display required fate simulations for Nakhimov or ANY other DR, it shows except for agir

[white agate]

agir too good, she will get something better than fate

[woven star]

Maybe save pr5. Haku coinable

And pr 6 have better use

[rigid onyx]

u37, albacore, kawa are all decent to good from merit

[wind hazel]

nah you're just wrong LOL

[mellow cape]

My game broke tf

[soft raft]

[wind hazel]

you were just selecting haku and exchange bp

[plain saffron]

skill issue

[soft raft]

Still cant really make full sense of your sentence but whatever ig

[wind hazel]

go select agir and you should see the same thing

mod ban this guy spreading misinfo

[mellow cape]

Oh lmao I have maxed Agir prints

[nimble knoll]

Is Regular Albacore Better than the other Albacore?

[tulip zenith]

Do gear skins apply to barrages

Like if a barrage has torps do they have the skin

[eager mulch]

[eager mulch]

no

[tulip zenith]

😿

[sage nebula]

Best gun for z52?

[viscid swift]

single 113mm

[sage nebula]

Do you have a DMG comparison to the twin UR?

[rigid onyx]

113mm or 76mm depending on rld

[soft raft]

More like if you can afford to make the Single 113m or not

[rigid onyx]

I mean if you're unoathed with like a goldburn equipped 76mm is better

[soft raft]

what
pretty sure single 113 would still be way better for her

[rigid onyx]

way better.

neither is way better on paper they're within like 1-2%

113mm on a 125 z52 is about .52 reload which is close to an abs cd breakpoint so 76 is better if it gets you below the breakpoint

[viscid swift]

not on hand no

[stark quiver]

then its a minuscule gain
~~therefore i like my + fleet power ~~

[soft raft]

even ignoring the FP Diff?
because Z52 isnt like Shima where her FP is abysmall dogshit

[eager mulch]

[rigid onyx]

113 is better whenever equipping to 76 wouldn't get you below an abs cd breakpoint on any ship, but this is kinda a pointless minmax and won't really affect anything in reality

113 isn't the 'best' gun for z52 though

getting to .49cd from .51 is like a 16% increase in number of shots fired (on paper)

I think the twin UR gun does more damage vs light but don't quote me on that

[hollow gust]

Pretty sure Vanguard gun have its own cooldown , there is a certain points you will just benefit from more firepower instead of gun cd reduction

[fickle hollow]

is something like this good for research

[stark quiver]

its ight

[hollow gust]

You shouldn't really be taking so many off season researches

Also pr4 research is kinda dead ngl

[stark quiver]

actually, looking at it, theres like 4 seazs spread out there

[tulip zenith]

If I’m 8 away from a tenrai I should keep going right

[stark quiver]

id personally say yes

[sleek spade]

What gun should I put on Aurora for fighting against opsi light bosses

[stark quiver]

q152

[sleek spade]

155mm kai or reg?

[tulip zenith]

What season should I focus after 4 then

[stark quiver]

q152

[hollow gust]

4>5>7>6

[sleek spade]

Quad 152 UR from lab?

[stark quiver]

its not in lab

[sleek spade]

O I mean research

[tulip zenith]

Is the gear for 7 prio or could I focus on nakhimov

[sleek spade]

But I only have 2 of that. I normally put it on someone else

[stark quiver]

yes
but since you prob have higher prios, go with the triple 152 mle

[rigid onyx]

IDT ply is good enough to focus 5 next, and would recommend 7 after 4

[sleek spade]

Ogey ty

[soft raft]

Ply is still one of the best buffers for BBs
Brest is also one of the best tanks in the game

[viscid swift]

for once we agree

[sleek spade]

Ah wait I dont have that French gun

[soft raft]

then just slap a 155 Kai on her or somethin

[stark quiver]

triple 152 mk 17

[sleek spade]

US lab CL gun good?

I have a lot of mats for those

[stark quiver]

and then w.e you have left
not like auroras dps matters anywyas

[soft raft]

Which one

[stark quiver]

just slap a 155 like blaster said

[hollow gust]

A newbie isn't going to do much with nahkimov either

[soft raft]

cuz this one's technically the best but it's BB/BC locked

[stark quiver]

its for aurora

[soft raft]

oh wait that's a DD gun nvm

[stark quiver]

yea use that

[soft raft]

yeah that's decent enough

[sleek spade]

Nice

Ogey thanks guys

[rigid onyx]

Mostly about gear differential between the seasons being more than ply can carry pr5

[south sequoia]

Ply, brest, plygun and harbin are that good to consider 5 over 7

[hollow gust]

What gear differential? What is someone going to do with LA-9

[viscid swift]

well PR7 does have Napoli and Bayard which are roughly contemporaries of Brest and Harbin in what they do

[hollow gust]

Vit-2 is a timing side grade that basically no one but veterans should be using

[tulip zenith]

Harbin coinable doe

[rigid onyx]

Mostly that if you do pr7 now you'd be ready for pr8 when it comes out and then by the time you finish those two you can coin up ply and be basically caught up fully in a year

[plain saffron]

vit is still good though even if you're new

[hollow gust]

Just use Ryuusei Saiun and Junkers

[plain saffron]

what if i only have vit bcs i have been doing pr7

don't use anyway?

[hollow gust]

Read the context tf?

[south sequoia]

What

[plain saffron]

ouh there's context

[hollow gust]

They are recommending pr7 over 5 because of gear. When most of it is far more niche for older players who have the tech and supporting ships to use

[plain saffron]

i guess the context is "does vit justify doing pr7"?

[viscid swift]

well not it alone but I think between it, Nahkimov, and La-9s it's better to do 7 over 5

[plain saffron]

i wouldn't say it's niche for older players only imo

timing is still timing

[rigid onyx]

7 is better in the long term than 5 easily in my opinion. Delaying ply by like 6 months isn't a big deal imo

[plain saffron]

isn't pr4 getting gear lab'ed soon anyway

[soft raft]

yeah
next week

[hollow gust]

Delaying nahkimov and LA-9 isn't a big deal

LA-9 is so piss slow It only exacerbates the low rld tech , more often then not Tenzen is get more usable then vit-2 for newer player timing

[rigid onyx]

you put yourself behind on pr8 too if you do that

[hollow gust]

What are they even going to use Nahkimov for? Most people's best fleets are BB

[hollow gust]

No??

[plain saffron]

can you still use her without full CV?

[south sequoia]

A good between would be work on pr7 -> coin pr5 ships -> after 3 pr5 ships finish -> switch back to pr5 and do plymouth and brest -> continue pr7
Though one thing im concerned about is, will newer players even have the tech required to jump directly to pr7?

[hollow gust]

What fleets would she improve on?

[viscid swift]

no but not like PR5 is that much better in that regard

[plain saffron]

in doing high dmg as a UR

[hollow gust]

[viscid swift]

also bear in mind you'll spend your first 3 months of coining doing AvP and Anchorage for PRs

[plain saffron]

if you want to complete all anyway, doing latest then get older and coining oldest then newer prob the way

wait does nakhi have shit dmg or something

[rigid onyx]

nakhi damage is good

[plain saffron]

like can't you use a ship individually anymore

[hollow gust]

Literally arguing for the sake of arguing , Nahkimov is harder to use than most ships. Her best friend is Soyuz , who will be needed in a BB fleet. For CV, she won't improve on shinano haku avp

[rigid onyx]

ngl this reads as being opsi boss biased

[plain saffron]

why that fleet, like you said what they gonna use them for. idk? maybe use her along without team

[viscid swift]

uhh, replace AvP with Nahkimov and use Tashkent in the vanguard?

[worldly pewter]

deciding between pr5 and 7 for a new player is insanely hard
and most of the time it won't matter much
i always lean towards 5 but even 7 isn't bad

[plain saffron]

she a good ship that can be used, why need that specific team

[rigid onyx]

it feels like you're optimizing for bossing one shots

[plain saffron]

and for a new player

[viscid swift]

anyway, I'd argue Nahkimov is one of the better CVs for campaign overall

[south sequoia]

Pr5 vs Pr7 should be account dependent

[viscid swift]

dependent on what though?

[south sequoia]

What ships they have and what teams they could form, and tech and any events within the 3 month period

[hollow gust]

Cause she is noticeable weaker if she doesn't have the correct friends . Much more useful having something like Plymouth early who works in your best fleets , and isn't a slouch everywhere else

[viscid swift]

well some of those are gonna be a bit hard to account far, especially with so much potential variation

[woven star]

main reason "new player". having uncoinable ship at the start bad idea

[worldly pewter]

also ply has catchup and usable at dev25
so faster overall

[viscid swift]

but I'm arguing for Pr7 among other things because of the higher ceiling of potential that Nahkimov and La-9s bring compared to Plymouth

[plain saffron]

you can still coin ship while raising uncoinable ship

and 1 season takes like 6 months ish anyway

[worldly pewter]

this with ship focus right ?

[viscid swift]

not by a lot truth be told, you won't be able to fully take advantage of coining for the PR5 PRs because you'll be coining up the PR4s first

[plain saffron]

season focus, though new player prob don't have much coins for research so that's fair

you don't focus research a ship, you focus a season

[hoary relic]

i just got to lv60 and unlocked gear lab, which ship should i focus in for her gear first?

[plain saffron]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[hollow gust]

You are getting both seasons in the long term , PR5 is much stronger in the short term.
Plymouth
Harbin with Yatsen
Brest is one of best in campaign

[eager mulch]

[plain saffron]

i would refer this instead of deciding based specific ship instead

since you can move around gear

[viscid swift]

someone needs to do a write up for that, bloody confusing for what to prioritize

[rigid onyx]

I feel like you're just repeating that ply is noticably better than nakh for account progression which may be true but not be enough to focus pr5

pr5 gear is noticeably mediocre. you basically are fine with 1 plygun for a whole account and if you don't have ply you're fine with 0.

pr7 has la-9 which may be endgame gear, but you eventually want 3-5.

pr5 has coinable PRs and will be able to have coinable DRs next Jan.

pr7 will take about 3 years to be coinable

pr7 ships are also not bad. Bayard is analogous to Harbin. Brest is analogous to Napoli. Ply in campaign prog isn't even demonstrably better than nakh

[plain saffron]

top good bottom bad, no problem

[woven star]

imho best way said what season and why. I'm focusing on pr4 because of champy gun. and Nakhimov will be not top choice for me.

[hoary relic]

but uh i mean which type of ship should i prioritize in crafting gear first

[viscid swift]

Champagne gun is literally not from PR4, it's from 3

[plain saffron]

main fleet > vanguard

[viscid swift]

you'd be a fool for doing PR3 research focus anyway

[hollow gust]

Harbin is one of the best vanguards in the game just from how strong she is with Yatsen

And gph cares way too much about LA-9, that piece of gear still a rocket fighter with its severe restrictions

[stark quiver]

Mfs still focus pr4?

[plain saffron]

i would do gun first imo bcs you only need 1 instead of 3 for plane

[woven star]

btw how many times pass since Agir and Haku become coinable... maybe less time to wait same for pr6 and pr7

I mean from uncoinable to coin

[plain saffron]

each jan PRn & DRn-1 get coinable

[hollow gust]

By the time Plymouth becomes coinable you should be done with both 5 and 7

[viscid swift]

one, Yat Sen is RNG to obtain

second, it's relatively limited in its use but La-9 is undeniably the strongest plane period against medium armor bosses, best permanently available against light, and the strongest fighter against heavy

[plain saffron]

so DR 5 next jan, DR6 next2 jan

unless of course they change pattern again

[rigid onyx]

if you focus pr5 you're account will be marginally stronger in 4 months. if you focus pr7 your account will be stronger a year from now. I prioritize long term goals gains over the short term as soon as you get over the new player hump, and by the time you finish ply you're already over said hump

[plain saffron]

isn't it more efficient to coin PR5 first then start researching season 5

[viscid swift]

not really to be honest

because the main limiting factor will be Plymouth gun prints

[rigid onyx]

it would take around 3 extra months to coin all of 5, which you would want to do after ancho

[plain saffron]

just protocore it

[hollow gust]

If you can't finish 2 seasons in a year something is seriously wrong

[viscid swift]

oh that is accounting for the one from protocores

not to mention that you'll also want to coin up a ship from 1, 2, and 3 to burn prototype cores which yeah...

is gonna take a while all things considered

[plain saffron]

focus 7 + coin 5 for 6 months, then focus 5 for few months
but yeah gear i guess

[rigid onyx]

are you just forgetting that pr8 will come out

[hollow gust]

You can finish both 5 and 7 before late July

[viscid swift]

besides, I'm still advocating PR4 gear focus to start with

[rigid onyx]

no you can not

[stark quiver]

You can

[viscid swift]

unless the prices in the gear lab are dirt cheap

[rigid onyx]

a season in 2.5 months?

[hollow gust]

Plymouth has her catchup , and you should be spending your event prints on pr7

[plain saffron]

not as a new player i would say

[viscid swift]

doesn't sound that reasonable

[chilly nest]

Yo guys, I just came back after a 1 year break, did anything huge change that i should know or is it still same old more or less

[plain saffron]

maybe catchup plus 100%

[stark quiver]

Not that much change
Except new power creep

[hollow gust]

Catch up is a massive mechanics , you can easily save up to a month with it

[chilly nest]

By who?

[stark quiver]

New URs

[rigid onyx]

it takes like 4 months to finish a season without catchup

[inland shoal]

URs mostly

[stark quiver]

Skill diff

[plain saffron]

assuming 4 for a season
how you gonna fit 6 months in 4 months

[viscid swift]

not much

[plain saffron]

unless you do this

[hollow gust]

If it takes you 4 then you are seriously slow

[plain saffron]

is this real or trolling

[hollow gust]

Even serenity finished faster and he sucks at research

[inland shoal]

Honestly if this PR thing keeps coming up on an almost daily basis maybe you should just duke it out in a thread

[viscid swift]

4 months is the average.....

[chilly nest]

Alsace nakhimov z52?

[viscid swift]

not everyone is rich enough to cube it

[plain saffron]

isn't this for new players also or we ditched that already

[rigid onyx]

maybe if you're doing 1hr Hs and not caring about gear it would take 2.5

it is about new players yes lol

[soft raft]

In terms of Gacha URs: Soyuz, Alsace+Mogador, Amagi CV, and Fritz Rumey+Z52
in terms of research URs: Napoli and Nakhimov
Eldridge retrofit too

[chilly nest]

Soyuz > nj, musa, fgd?

[soft raft]

Soyuz == Alsace == Musashi > FdG >= NJ

[chilly nest]

And what about vanguard, bismarck 2 and uvh?

[stark quiver]

And more
Like Soyuz n them

[chilly nest]

And what about cvs, does nyanners and haku still slap?

[soft raft]

Bis2 would be with Soyuz/Alsace/Musashi and UvH would be roughly the same as NJ

Vanguard kinda varies since her buff utility is good but Alsace kinda does it as well

[viscid swift]

Haku got power crept by Amagi CV

[soft raft]

Haku got crept by Amagi CV
Shinano still going strong

[chilly nest]

No way...

[viscid swift]

after they released her Fate Sim to

[soft raft]

what having 1 more TB does to a mf

[hollow gust]

More like her 2 damage amp skills

[chilly nest]

And percy uni implacable still relevant?

[inland shoal]

Oh right we also got one more TB

[soft raft]

Perseus hasnt really been as relevant ever since Unicorn retro came out
Implacable still pog yes

Perseus's possible role as secondary healer has also become mostly irrelevant with both Aquila and Volga now being in perament pools

[chilly nest]

Yeah i saw the whole new gamemode they added in this raising stuff and private rooms

[rigid onyx]

implac is looking like she'll have a niche for while, although now her role is slightly also taken by nakh

unless they decide to directly creep another stop

[worldly pewter]

amagi sinano haku are still usable as a trio in the same fleet
but if u have to include implacable u want to drop haku between them

[soft raft]

eh, prob not as much as you'd think

Cuz unlike Nak, she doesnt need another ship to get her freeze

[molten zinc]

She only got ditch from anti-med fleet because
1st: Nakhimov have a 100% slow
2nd: she doesn't do as much dmg as Rumey or Amagi

Could say the same for Nakhi anti-light comp but she still very potent in anti-heavy comp because IJN CV duh

[rigid onyx]

nakh and implac are the 2 best stop options with nakh imposing more compositional restrictions in exchange for higher personal damage

[molten zinc]

The only other option for 100% slow is AvP who does terrible against heavy and Mogador...you can only sync with her stab like 1~2 time per META fight

[kind needle]

Is this setup enough for taihou meta lvl 15? Or no? (Still at lvl 12)

All bb using usual champy gun (izumo gun for sashi) white shell + black pencil (aside from soyuz who uses hsfcr)

[worldly pewter]

are u aiming for 1 or 2 shot ?

[soft raft]

it's either everyone uses HSFCR or no one does

And if it's the former, Helena uses SG Radar as well

[kind needle]

No

[hollow gust]

Ditch Agir run a high dps or bb supports

[worldly pewter]

nani no
it is either 1 or 2 shots

[kind needle]

Idk if my plymouth survives

[hollow gust]

She will

[viscid swift]

if Helena can main tank Taiho, Plymouth will be fine

[white agate]

can this be useful with flame aggression?

or vanguard cats are not useful at all?

[hollow gust]

I guess? But vanguard cats are pretty useless generally

[kind needle]

Here are the gears

[sinful socket]

oh ägir can be used as boss fleet tank ?

[viscid swift]

so, what exactly are you trying to do

[soft raft]

he's doing TaihouM

[viscid swift]

I know that, I mean one shot or 2 shot

[sinful socket]

imma research her once im done with Odin then

[molten zinc]

like he said, replace Agir with someone else that does more dmg

[kind needle]

Around 2-3, ik that my ships can’t one hit

[viscid swift]

well you should quite easily 2 shot it

[soft raft]

it's not really related to ships specifically for one-shots
more like +13 and RLD tech

[sinful socket]

and plymouth is what ? also good tank or good dps as well ?

[kind needle]

I’m level conscious so yeah…

[soft raft]

good bulk, stonks damage, and high utility for your flagship BB

[viscid swift]

huh
anyway, do you have any good CVs leveled, if you do you should be using them instead

[kind needle]

Who should I replace agir with?

[sinful socket]

omw to research Plymouth after Odin and Agir rofl

[kind needle]

Haku, Nano, implac for heavy (still raising amacv)

[viscid swift]

do you have Implacable?

[kind needle]

Yes

[viscid swift]

Haku, Shinano, Nahkimov, Z52, Kazagumo, Helena
something like that then

[kind needle]

Don’t have Z52

[molten zinc]

Then run something like Haku, Shinano, Implacable, Z52, Kazagumo, Helena for bow

[viscid swift]

San Diego then I guess

[kind needle]

Laff2 works or no?

[molten zinc]

should work

Also you have to manage your vanguard AA to shot down plane so Laffey is a good pick

[sinful socket]

can Unicorn, Yorktown 2, Shinano, Brest, Sandy Kai, Yuudachi Kai be considered a good mob fleet ?

[soft raft]

in what content?
Cuz that shit would have basically no suicide boat interception

[viscid swift]

sure

[kind needle]

What planes should haku, nano and implac use if I only have 2 tenrai and d-4s, a bunch of ryuseis and saiuns and a single beacon.

[sinful socket]

I need to get a BB instead of Shinano or Y2 then ?

[tulip zenith]

Will the Soyuz l2d only come back on her rerun

[soft raft]

depends on what content you're doing

So what content are you planning to use this fleet for?

[sinful socket]

mob fleet, I guess campaign or OPSI

[soft raft]

it'll prob come back on Black Friday first

[tulip zenith]

Ok thx

[soft raft]

for Opsi then sure that works fine
for campaign, where specifically in campaign?

[sinful socket]

it would work in a chapter w/out loads of suicide boats ?

[soft raft]

just say what world you're on right now man

[molten zinc]

Would work in W12 or 13

[sinful socket]

im at 12-4 preping on 13

[kind needle]

How do I survive W14

[molten zinc]

But otherwise it's pretty terrible

[soft raft]

sure that'd work then as well

[woven star]

for w13 try get FdG

[sinful socket]

im trying to come up with a mob fleet with the few stuff I have rn

[kind needle]

Which ships are useful from w14 to 15?

[sinful socket]

I have her, but I thought abt putting her in the boss fleet

[chilly nest]

Are ägir/azuma outdated already, will something like unzen/guam be better?

[woven star]

ah my bad w14 suicided ships? anyway good vs them

[soft raft]

Azuma is
Agir isnt tho Brest and Napoli are definetly giving her competition
Guam is basically Cheshire 2.0

Unzen isnt even in the same niche as any of the CBs

[soft raft]

he's doing W12/prepping for W13

[hollow gust]

BBs are perfectly fine though? Very likely there BBs are stronger

[woven star]

I thought w13 have suicided ships

[sinful socket]

I haven't stepped in W13 yet, maybe I could tear through with my stupid fleet

[molten zinc]

[soft raft]

only in the merchant nodes
same with W12

otherwise Suicide boats take a vacation in those two worlds

[woven star]

ok my bad, then anti-air

[viscid swift]

something like that

[molten zinc]

There only suicide ship in W12 and 13 if you dont have enough dps to clear the mob

and merchant ship yeah

[soft raft]

i literally just said it's only on the merchant nodes

and those are the regular squishy suicide boats so they shouldnt be much of a issue period

[sinful socket]

should I swap one of the UR CVs with Odin then ?

if I wanna do W14

[keen sable]

Yeah just tank them if they even get that far. 13 especially does not enable trashy weak vanguards

[kind needle]

If I finished leveling Amagi CV, who should I swap with those?

[viscid swift]

Hakuryu

[kind needle]

Same plane loadout?

[viscid swift]

not quite

[soft raft]

Depends on who you have in your dock by the time you get there

[kind needle]

Are 2 beacons enough

[keen sable]

Odin fs5 is supposed to work on 14

[hollow gust]

What is this comp

[chilly nest]

U mean unzen's meh, or just not as tanky but still good? And what about kron and hindenburg? And are drake ancho cheshire completely useless?

[sinful socket]

I don't even have Odin yet tbf

but given that my Shinano isn't leveled up yet, I will use Odin by the time I get there

[woven star]

isn't Izuma better then Odin?

[kind needle]

Is Amagi CV is better than FS5 Haku?

[molten zinc]

yes

[keen sable]

Spending months prepping Odin just to have her wiped off the face of the chapter by Iowa or something would be funny.

[viscid swift]

3 would be preferable but for just 2 shotting 2 is enough

[molten zinc]

Unzen fill the same niche as Hindenburg a.k.a dps vanguard that does a lot of personal dmg
Kron is quite outdated rn
Drek is the same story
Anchorage is still good
Cheshire is ok but quite outclassed by other AA carry

[soft raft]

Azuma isnt even in the same hull category as Odin, kinda hard to compared them directly

[molten zinc]

I think he meant Izumo

[keen sable]

I assumed o

[sinful socket]

wait, is she ? cuz I already got one

[soft raft]

oh
then prob better after aug but still falls short of URs

[woven star]

I'm trying avoid BB with less 100% barrage as Odin is. Noticed Izumo have 100% with augment so ask that.

[chilly nest]

Guam for example > chesh?

[soft raft]

yes
Guam is basically Chesh 2.0

[viscid swift]

instead of asking about every ship, I'd reccomend giving this a look
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[molten zinc]

Guam is much better for AA yeah, and she has a guaranteed armor break so she could work with BB fleet

[keen sable]

Odin has a 100% barrage...it's called her secondary...she also dodges stuff

[soft raft]

Agir has AB too
Meanwhile Guam would be more suitable with CVs since her AA can help them maintain concealment

[viscid swift]

what issues have you got with it?

[molten zinc]

I'd take Laffey II over her in CV fleet tbh

[eager mulch]

[hollow gust]

Are you going for a 4 shot?

[viscid swift]

no

[hollow gust]

Then just use higher damage TBs

[viscid swift]

I'm trying to ensure everything lands during Helena's radar scan window on the 3rd strike

[hollow gust]

That's fuck ton of +13 saiuns

[viscid swift]

who said anything about +13

[sinful socket]

I need to grind Exercises to get Eldridge ?

[soft raft]

yop
20k merit to get her

[hollow gust]

As long as you aren't using Vit-2s even ryuuseis will fit

[sweet delta]

Fit what?

[hollow gust]

Helena radar is 10 second durations

[viscid swift]

I'm aware

[sweet delta]

Not everyone has fucking max reload tech and full oaths

[woven star]

Have retro item for her?

[sinful socket]

nah, how do I get it ?

[woven star]

Nothing now

[viscid swift]

it's event limited

[sinful socket]

she still good without the Kai ?

[molten zinc]

sadly no

[soft raft]

but may as well get her asap cuz Merit rotation can be a bitch if you're trying to specifically go for a ship

[molten zinc]

me not getting her for a whole 3 weeks after her retrofit released

[keen sable]

Maintaining discipline to keep checking a shop you almost never buy anything from can be difficult also.

how many cubes have i lost because i don't check merit regularly? 7?

[eager mulch]

i spent gems to refresh merit shop

[molten zinc]

[eager mulch]

[rigid onyx]

you have a ~95% chance to see the sr ship you want in a month

[chilly nest]

oh, i didnt know such a doc exists, thanks a lot! sorry if i asked too much, just been away for way too long and wanted to get back online

[viscid swift]

no worries, just thought I'd try and save you some hassle

[chilly nest]

u sure did, its like the slaimuda tierlist, but seems to be waay better

[woven star]

ah, no, true, some merit ships (like U37, King George V, Kaga (Battleship), Littorio, not sure about Duke of York) are from WA

[eager mulch]

slaimuda tierlist sucks

[hollow gust]

Such a hater

[eager mulch]

biggest ECTL hater

ignore my message history in ectl

[viscid swift]

ha

[white agate]

wait, didn't you dislike them cause they downtiered one of your waifu?

[woven star]

slaimuda tier list is biggest problem that all ships in tier in same place for light and med./heavy armor enemies.

easy way put them in one team like York2 and Shinano just looking at top tier

[fathom relic]

I mean, no tier list can specify the skill requirements, so must read skill before putting a team

[vernal flume]

What formation should be used in chapter 10

[white agate]

stick to double line

[forest palm]

ECTL's biggest issue is that they have a out of date beginners guide that's easily accessible

[woven star]

and even like that depend on gear for them where BB gun like mk7 better Champy

[mild sail]

Well but it worked out for beginners

[fathom relic]

Ah yea, iirc you mean the Helena timing right?

[mild sail]

At least they will know which gears to keep an eye out for and which ship to invest in if they have

[forest palm]

no, you don't get it, it is so out of date that it is now harmful to new players

[eager mulch]

ectl just sucks

[woven star]

I mean if gear from bottom to top best choice then Champy suck a lot

[forest palm]

blindly following ECTL isn't the wisest of thing

[fathom relic]

Imagine bring mk7 with Helena in medium/heavy lmao. Nothing synced

[mild sail]

I pretty sure they also put in description for AP or HE gun like "great AP gun for..."

[mild sail]

Blindly following any tierlist without reading anything at all also isn't very wise

The problem is EN players

[woven star]

if you said this joke to me few month ago I'm not even noticed that this was a joke

[mild sail]

Also isn't there is like, how much people working on that tierlist? 5?

[forest palm]

no shit, but this isn't about other tier lists, this is specifically about ECTL's, stop being dismissive just because it occures elsewhere, for AL ECTL's tier list is one of the more reliable ones

[fathom relic]

Wait, you can? Cause due to mk7 is fast in my case, it can not catch up to 20s debuff at all

[soft raft]

Mk7 fast?
???

[fathom relic]

Wait

Sr, my bad, i missed that with 457 lmao, so what i meant is 457

[mild sail]

I pretty sure the mk7 have somew-

You put sg radar on Helena

🤦‍♂️

[fathom relic]

[forest palm]

Helena doesn't always want SGR

[mild sail]

The 457mm will have somewhere of 17-18 sec reload
Helena will be 16

[soft raft]

SG Radar only works once

so it'd be 16/20/20/20 not always 16s

[forest palm]

also 457 out paces SGR Helena

[mild sail]

36 for Helena
34-35 for the second 457 salvo

[fathom relic]

Yea what i meant in the first place is imagine people reading tier list blindly that they use 457 vs medium/heavy with Helena so nothing synced

[soft raft]

the TLDR of it is that Helena only uses the SG Radar if your BBs are using HSFCR

And Twin barrel guns suck ass syncing with Helena

[sweet delta]

At the end of the day it's just imagine using the tier list for something it's not meant for (campaign)

[woven star]

that's why Helena tier0 not tierEx... so there are no problem with SanDiego)

[sweet delta]

Like how stupid would someone be for complaining that a tier list with "End Game" in its name isn't helpful for new players in the game

[stark quiver]

Sup gph

[fathom relic]

It can be any tier list if they dont considered in gear selection, building fleet, just slap any rainbow high on the tier list and that is it

[mild sail]

Any idea why triple barrel bb gun have insane spread while auto?

[sweet delta]

No

The spread is the same on auto and on manual

[soft raft]

or you're just using Marco polo gun on someone that isnt NJ or Vanguard

[woven star]

what ship? or any?

[mild sail]

My Kersage somehow hitting top and bottom of the screen with the mk7

[sweet delta]

Are you playing chapter 14 or 15?

[stark quiver]

Maybe enemy’s last position was there

[fathom relic]

Like 2 bullet within the same volley, one top and one bottom?

[mild sail]

14

[soft raft]

ok that explains alot then

[mild sail]

Yea

[sweet delta]

[cobalt rapids]

its due to concealment then

[soft raft]

cuz the smoke and concealment does very funny things to your aim

[sweet delta]

/wiki user:suchiguma/conc

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Suchiguma/Concealment

[mild sail]

Yeah that make sense now

[random trail]

there is no explenation what this is whatsoever in game, also the side meny says the above, can't i do more research then 1 at a time?

[soft raft]

you can Queue a bunch of researches

[random trail]

it won't let me tho?

[stark quiver]

Click on a research and press queue

[inland shoal]

Click the research in progress. If it has conditions you need to clear those first

[soft raft]

if it's one of those that require you do do like "Clear X stage Y times" or "Scrap X amounts of gear", 1) Those suck complete ass and 2) you have to fufill those requirements to queue or start them

[sweet delta]

Click on a research you have started and press queue

Also please fix your research focus to not grief yourself

It should not be on 3

[random trail]

were did it say 3?

[random trail]

oh that is a random research i clicked

[fathom relic]

When you set on which, it will have the "pick up" on that research

[soft raft]

this too

[fathom relic]

Please dont set random lmao

[random trail]

i picked this because it is a ship with my name X.x

[sweet delta]

That's what I mean, setting it to 3 is a really bad choice

[random trail]

i tried looking stuff up but got so confused by it tbh

[sweet delta]

Cheshire is coinable, just get her and you can directly pay coins to dev her. It's much cheaper than doing pr3 projects

[fathom relic]

That is two seperated thing

One selecting shipgirl and you will receive additional blueprint of her

The other one will set the prefer series to appear, minimum 3 out of 5 research is the same type of what you set

[random trail]

i do need more points in this also then?

[soft raft]

are you even at W9 yet
if not, you can afford to not really give much of a shit about research

[random trail]

ah no it opened up and i got the roon unlocked

[flint egret]

Is it worth upgrading from 280 dock spaces all the way to 700? I've already maxed out my dorm (including the second floor), I'm planning to buy the 2400×2 gem pack just for this.

[vale spindle]

yes but you don't need to buy dock space unless you need it

Just buy as you go

[soft raft]

if you've alredy spent the credit card on maxxing out dorm (Unless you did the unholy thing and used free gems on dorm) then sure if you want to

[worldly pewter]

remove cheshire icon from there
usually we don't start that catchup until we have her dev30
so we can convert them into protocores later

[flint egret]

it is a pain in the ass to keep retiring common ships

[vale spindle]

understandable

I like to keep like 30 ish buffer at all times

[stark quiver]

I got rid of my 20 hornet 2s

[flint egret]

it was credit card, yes

[random trail]

is there a way to force fleet A to do boss clearing and fleet B to do mob clearing if i farm in sorties?

[whole crypt]

you can change roles before entering map

[random trail]

ooooh

[eager mulch]

how many amagi-chans

[atomic abyss]

As many as the number of times you randomly insert amagi-chan into the convo for no bloody reason

[little tree]

~~ Cheshire is just better anyways turtle ~~

[feral ridge]

Can I use amagi chan with amagi?

[vale spindle]

Yes but it's not optimal

[keen sable]

How about with amagii?

[dry ice]

Can I make a fleet of smols so Amagi chan can have friends?

[stark quiver]

I think turtle likes Amagi Chan

[jaunty hearth]

If I put a Noshiro Muse for tomorrow... Do I get an Akashi jumpscare... or am I safe?

[feral ridge]

I would like to know this as well

[soft raft]

she isnt a collab character so you should be fine

I think

[eternal basalt]

You get regular Noshiro convo

[eternal basalt]

Sure, they might die on harder content though and you WILL be jailed, evil SKK

[dry ice]

But then how do I give amagi-chan friends?

[jaunty hearth]

[dry ice]

Do you get Akashi if you put amagi-chan as main secretary?

[eternal basalt]

No, amagi-chan gets her own special text

[forest palm]

should only do it for collab ships

[storm heron]

collab ships can send valentine message?

[atomic abyss]

the whole point of the above responses was that they dont

[glass basin]

bruh...

[storm heron]

[hollow gust]

Just Helena RNG, better then unzen at least

[sweet delta]

How good is foch meta DPS? She MVPs every time over a 10 level higher halford

[little tree]

Isn't Halford bugged still ?

[sweet delta]

Starting to think it's not a big

[storm heron]

TN > T1

[little tree]

Post the dmg numbers

[deft dagger]

is it true that no gear can be better than gold gear?

ive been putting whatever yellow ones i have on my ships first because i dont really have much

[soft raft]

Higher rarity doesnt always mean better
do /equip in #bot-spam for a list of what's considered good

[deft dagger]

is toolkit/advanced boiler combo fine for auxillery tho?

[soft raft]

on what hulltype is this on?

[deft dagger]

just frontline

[soft raft]

if you absolutely have nothing else, better than nothing ig

[deft dagger]

is there a reason higher rarity arnt better?

a bunch of games do this stuff but it kinda seems pointless

[soft raft]

it's not really related to rarity
more like what kind of stats they give a equip and how said equip stacks up against its competition

Like for example Triple 460mm has very high damage compared to the Triple 406 MLE
But in turn the 460 has a base reload of like 30s compared to the MLE's ~25s, making it too prohibitively slow to use in a majorty of contexts

[deft dagger]

should i worry about that for pve? especially the lower tiers?

i havent even hit world 9 yet

[soft raft]

like I said before, do /equip in #bot-spam for what's considered good gear

Naturally you might lack a majority of the stuff listed there where you're at right now but it'll at least give you a idea of what to go for

[keen sable]

You should always use and invest in the best gear possible

With invest being a key word

[deft dagger]

is it possible to get another copy of stuff like the little beaver squadron tag? and if i ever acidentally scrap it can i ever get it back

[soft raft]

No
in the case of gear like that, they explicitly give you a warning popup
And if you for some reason ignore that warning, then that's it

you wont brick your acc but it'll be somewhat more scuffed

especially if you scrap your Hedgehog since it's the best ASW equip in the game

[woven star]

there is one more ASW good gear in the game but this will be another off-topic discussion

[stark quiver]

there is, but hedgehog is the best

[deft dagger]

when is the hedgehog used? i havent seen a single enemy sub

[keen sable]

Gold asw plane is not the same

If you scrap it

[stark quiver]

14-3/4
15-3/4

[deft dagger]

funny thing i scrapped chen hai's seaplane she comes with and was wondering why it gave me a pop up

[soft raft]

subs show up in event maps too bu they're way weaker than the ones in campaign

[deft dagger]

only when i wanted to use her later did i realize

[stark quiver]

if youre dying to event subs, then its a skill issue

[soft raft]

cuz some ships default equips are only avaliable by obtaining said ship

[soft raft]

Just retrofit her to remove the seaplane restriction

[deft dagger]

those damn seaplanes are not easy to come by

[shell willow]

fortunately they are kinda irrelevant

[deft dagger]

im still on world 8, full retrofit anything not meta is kinda out of the question

[stark quiver]

why're we using chen hai in w8

[woven star]

sometimes they useful when you don't have enaugh slots. I'm using one of them in w13 with 1 Hedgehog

[deft dagger]

secretary quest, and im getting every ship to level 70 to max limit break them for the lab

[keen sable]

It's unique thats all. Only way to get one is by stripping Chen Hai. Doesn't mean it's good or even for her.

[soft raft]

you can do that stuff later
you're not even at a point where you should be focusing on research that much

[deft dagger]

so what should i be doing, doesnt really seem like there is an objective to the game

[stark quiver]

level fleet, push to world 12
then grind tech n shi