gameplay-help

[barren tapir]

like i said, im pretty certain flares are comp dependent and can either be helpful, do nothing, or be harmful. there doesnt seem to be a valid consensus based on results ive seen, including my own

[zenith heron]

I worry about the vanguard, bcs not only its not gonna survive as much, but I don't think their dmg is enough to kill all mobs (excluding their torps), was wondering if said player killed the suicide boats fast enough to avoid getting shitted on

[stark quiver]

Are you running 155 kai

[barren tapir]

i used this to auto ch14 at any rate, so idk why theyre having issues on manual with better ships

also i used twin137 and still havent crafted a single 155kai so make of that what you will

[worldly pewter]

z52 is better than his 3 vanguards kita shima and yuu
combined

[barren tapir]

mob especially was ultra braindead auto i never had to reset a single node. boss was more rng tho

yeah im pretty sure my specific mobfleet (with any half decent bb) is cheat code for 14 lol

i also 3* clear 14-4 on full auto lethal

but the idea is...if theyre manualling then even that mob comp should work. torps are STRONG in ch14 in my experience...and the boss ofc stomps my own boss fleet

[worldly pewter]

it is hard to compare it without aquila

[barren tapir]

volga is worse than aquila but not by much, especially on manual w/ triple dd she should be pretty potent regardless

volga heals off her own hp which is really strong for dd vanguards

[forest palm]

AQL is a pretty funny verstile CV

[zenith heron]

Currently at 14-2, trying to 3 star it, on the world 15 fleet, seems fine, but I sometimes manual, bcs some of them gets past my Vanguard, despite having a Plymouth gun on Musa, and twin 137 on Alsace... its the suicide boats rly...

[worldly pewter]

his issue was soyuz and volga dying
the 3 vanguards were very healthy

[hollow gust]

wait why you using double BB and not 155kai

[stark quiver]

My q went unanswered

[zenith heron]

So its basically his fleet's anti suicide defense's problem

[barren tapir]

the issue from what i can tell with limited info is bad manualling because soyuz auxguns + extra manual dmg stagger + vanguard can bodyblock as last resort = low hp backline on manual is skill issue

[hollow gust]

ofc 137 is going to under perform

[stark quiver]

Well not like nj can equip 155

[barren tapir]

they arent using double bb. their boss is nj and kearsarge so bb + bbv.

[stark quiver]

And that’s boss which they said works fine

[barren tapir]

also again, i used 137 and did just fine, i dont understand this 137 slander???

[worldly pewter]

his boss fleet was fine as far as he mentioned

[stark quiver]

I just said that

[barren tapir]

sure you can argue momo but i also used a bb with specifically weaker intercept on mob to begin with, and yami in boss intercepted everything

i mean u can argue rumey+sara have pseudo intercept but. PLEASE

[stark quiver]

You have aql and Z52 it’s different

[worldly pewter]

there was a phenomena for me where when u fight an enemy BB it will just shell u to death regardless of what u do

[barren tapir]

aquila and z52 werent the mvps of my mob fleet for 14 at all

it was momo

[zenith heron]

Isn't 137 like 2nd prio for BB 2nd gun usage after Ply gun? Unless w15 tips does not go well for w14 ?

[stark quiver]

Doesn’t need to be mvp

[mild sail]

I just gonna replace kita with z52 and put aqualia in

[barren tapir]

but regardless, 137 intercepts perfectly fine and i was even recommended 137 if i had it already over crafting 155s

[stark quiver]

You didn’t do that first 💀

[barren tapir]

i dont mean damage. im talking about usefulness to the fleet.

[eager mulch]

Twin 137 is just worse than twin 138.6 as a bb aux gun

[stark quiver]

Yea
Usefulness

[barren tapir]

you greatly greatly underestimate just how fucking busted momo is

[hollow gust]

and glazing momo too hard

[barren tapir]

aquila honestly didnt matter because my backline never got damaged in the first place

[mild sail]

Who is momo

[stark quiver]

Yes that’s why you’re dying
Get a 155 kai from gear lab

[forest palm]

with the greatest of ease

[eager mulch]

/wiki momo

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Momo_Belia_Deviluke
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Momo_Belia_Deviluke/Quotes
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https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Rondo_at_Rainbow's_End
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Beneath_Clear,_Starry_Skies
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Fallen_Wings
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Crimson_Echoes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Iris_of_Light_and_Dark
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Ashen_Simulacrum

Jan 31, 2025, 6:24 PM

[stark quiver]

Collab ship

[barren tapir]

i watched every fight and my backline took damage less than 5% of the time

[inland shoal]

Collab ship

[mild sail]

Yeah I have her

[stark quiver]

Don’t need her

[barren tapir]

so aquila didnt rlly matter beyond nice plane intercept and staggered launch...also because my vg was always on nearly full hp regardless

[stark quiver]

Also change Soyuz gun to 457

[mild sail]

Don't have

[barren tapir]

aquila mattered way more in ch15

[mild sail]

I am half way to 457

[stark quiver]

Use a AP gun

[zenith heron]

Any fast gun that goes 17 seconds or less

[worldly pewter]

get a georgia gun from the proto shop
and use the BB radar instead of the black shell

[barren tapir]

im really not when she's the sole reason i was able to progress and finish campaign as quickly as i did. without her it straight up wouldnt have been possible.

same goes for aquila admittedly for ch15, but for ch14? momo was the goat

[forest palm]

are you actively doing PR2 research coms?

[stark quiver]

Heck use the mk4 if you have to

[barren tapir]

im telling you that her intercept is absurdly good in 14

and you dont need to believe me, just look at suchi's endgame tierlist lmfao

[stark quiver]

They don’t have momo ready to use

[mild sail]

What about the soviet 406mm with AP

[stark quiver]

Yah

[zenith heron]

Proto 406 mk4 right?

[barren tapir]

i know, im talking to goose, not them. because i want it properly known that aquila and z52 really didnt do that much in 14 for me

[worldly pewter]

soyuz gun is fine i guess if u don't want to get the georgia gun

[barren tapir]

btw z52 struggles with concealment, it makes her reaim barrage miss a ton until it wears off

[eager mulch]

got any proof?

[barren tapir]

but shes useful as a tanky vessel to carry hedgehog for asw and once concealment ends she does good dmg (flares helped)

sure i could record a video if you want? or you can try it yourself

[storm heron]

why do people not just use
musashi - uni - aq - laffii - z52 - guam
musashi - nakhimov - aq - laffii - z52 - eldridge

also morning gph what r we cooking

[zenith heron]

Rich extra copy glazer moment

[forest palm]

don't think people should be raising 2 AQL..

[stark quiver]

Are you bull shitting

[barren tapir]

dont think ppl should be raising 2 of anything

[white agate]

my reson: i am concerned about my phone exploding therefore i keep away from w14,15

[hollow gust]

i got 2 musashis

[stark quiver]

(According to me)

[eager mulch]

Source: it came to me in a dream

[forest palm]

I actually support 2 AQL, and Musashi, but I ain't recommending it

[barren tapir]

my proof is i cleared ch14 full auto in 4 months

[wind hazel]

i got 2 mutsuki

[stark quiver]

I got 3 unicorn
And 20 hornet 2

[inland shoal]

[eager mulch]

I got 2 helena

[barren tapir]

yall dont have dock space fears clearly

[hollow gust]

considering the latest output of units , means literally nothing

[zenith heron]

Gn gph, its 3AM and I can't comprehend anymore

[hollow gust]

CN has pulled off similar shit with perma ships

[worldly pewter]

isn't the only viable dupe vanguard ? for the 0 rld enhance meme

[stark quiver]

No

[barren tapir]

okay cool well considering the person in question quite literally has better ships than me (except momo) since twin137 worked for me itll work for him. end of story.

[barren tapir]

on an actually new account? like not a second account going in with real knowledge lol

[stark quiver]

Bruh all this arguing probably drowned out the poor guys messages 💀

[barren tapir]

i also didnt go into this intending to do so, i just thought "i wanna try it and see how far i go" next thing i know i beated 15-4

less than a month ago i was sitting in ch12 with no intention of pushing campaign lol, i wasnt specifically preparing for it whatsoever.

so no i dont think its right to compare me to cn speedrunners

[storm heron]

they definitely have equipment issues

[mild sail]

Is the British 152 fine since I too poor to craft gear in lab

[hollow gust]

just use the neptune guns

[barren tapir]

okay yep thats a gear issue

[jaunty vault]

thats not British

[stark quiver]

What are they coops

[eager mulch]

you’re British

[worldly pewter]

neptune gun is the slow gun or the fast and weaker one ?

[hollow gust]

we literally pulled of lethal 3 star w14 back then with ships like ingraham

if you cant clearr with something like unicorn retro and soyuz u just suck

[barren tapir]

okay cool??

[wind hazel]

btw been meaning to ask, why do people say eldridge is free +10 hedgehog?

[hollow gust]

its flatly gear problems

[inland shoal]

Can we stop this pointless discussion? I don't see how this is helping anyone

[barren tapir]

wait so ur saying the guy asking for help sucks

[mild sail]

Well whatever I can just brute force to w15 but it would be suboptimal

[hollow gust]

the way he is gearing sucks yes?

[storm heron]

the free mount should have comparable damage to hedgehog

[worldly pewter]

she has a built in hedge

[barren tapir]

i thought we werent supposed to insult ppl but ok

[jaunty vault]

Neptune gun is the AP CL gun no one uses cause CL AP is uncool except quad152 which is poggies

[hollow gust]

.

[barren tapir]

you didnt say their gearing sucked, you said "you just suck"

also theyre manualling

[jaunty vault]

imagine not stopping after a moderator tells you to stop

[barren tapir]

literally right up here lol

[wind hazel]

which one

[worldly pewter]

yeah but i meant for BB intercept cases
is it the one that attacks faster than the 155 kai or not ?

[mild sail]

Okay fine I'll just leave and get back when I clear w15

[eager mulch]

how much longer is the event

[jaunty vault]

i don't know

[storm heron]

it's Eldridge's built in ASW

[inland shoal]

Until next Wednesday

[barren tapir]

is neptune gun even good in ch14? thought you wanted higher dps guns for the kagerou prods

[stark quiver]

Where does it say tho

[wind hazel]

anywhere i can see the value or something

[eager mulch]

Modernization node I thinksies

[storm heron]

yea that's why I said it should have comparable damage

[stark quiver]

Modernization mode gives 60 aa

[barren tapir]

manual can do many wonders. best of luck.

[wind hazel]

oh this one?

first time clicking it

[stark quiver]

Smh doesn’t say so in wiki

[barren tapir]

wiki bad just add it, idk

[eager mulch]

wiki can’t be trusted

[wind hazel]

ikr, time to ping sam

[storm heron]

sure, just let us know if you're struggling again, we'll help

[inland shoal]

[mild sail]

Thanks

[stark quiver]

Ima just add it rn

[eager mulch]

update the opsi port shops while you’re at it

[worldly pewter]

if u are dying in 14-4 on manual then i might deliver u some sad news that w15 is a different story

[stark quiver]

Nah

[inland shoal]

The asw should be somewhere on wiki tho maybe in Riceist's barrage list

[eager mulch]

[hollow gust]

CN wiki too

[barren tapir]

they have laff2 and guam theyll be fineeee

[worldly pewter]

the difference of skills that is needed between w14 and w15
on manual i mean

[white agate]

i mean, the +13 hellcat is genius imo

[barren tapir]

ill be honest when i manualled ch14-4 boss just to speed up clearing so i could get to 15 i found it almost as hard as auto

[wind hazel]

CN superior, i love china

[inland shoal]

Since when can I read Chinese?

[stark quiver]

Actually I’m too lazy, I’ll do it at home

[hollow gust]

you can recover the gold plates from hellcat

[eager mulch]

since you got the brain implant

[stark quiver]

Thorin v2

[barren tapir]

also...the only boss in ch15 that is about as hard as 14-4 to me (manual) is 15-2

everything else was a snooze in comparison. even 15-4 final boss once i learned the plane sync cycle

[stark quiver]

Plane cycle

[barren tapir]

so they have the ships, and they arent afraid to manual, so i expect they can clear 15 just fine

[eager mulch]

manual

[worldly pewter]

yeah i can confirm that
even with giga garbo fps performance it should be fine
with the right gear

[hollow gust]

Just Yatsen w15, easiest to use vanguard

[barren tapir]

just knowing when to call airstrike for countering stage plane and zuikaku plane wave. this for triple cv - you use 1 for stage and 2 for zuikaku, zuikaku plane waves about every 20s so you can keep syncing with her and take minimal damage as a result

the aa power of 2 aa carries and 3 cvs with support fleet is pretty big

[barren tapir]

well idk about that, lag really sucks to play through lol but if theyre not on a toaster it wont get that bad

[worldly pewter]

i know because i was at 1-2 fps performance

[barren tapir]

but like for shit like 15-2 boss you reeeeally dont want to lag at the wrong time...

[barren tapir]

damn i never could

[wind hazel]

get your new 5090 today to tackle w15 with ease with DLSS4 and AI trained tech

[worldly pewter]

the issue is just when there is a non stop series of planes which is mostly in the giga cv node
0 planes shot down but still very possible to clear it with mob boss mob
although my run was really at a surreal hp threshold for a long time

[worldly pewter]

i m at the verge of being homeless i don't have that luxury yet but clearing with homeless level performance is also

[storm heron]

I miss cheeky

[hollow gust]

manged to snipe a 5080 yesterday but most emulatiion are CPU heavy not GPU

extra ram and stronger cpu is way smarter

[barren tapir]

wat happen

[stone sluice]

Hold on, you beat 15-4? With a 4 months account?

[barren tapir]

manual obviously but yeah, just shy of 4.5 months

[stone sluice]

[worldly pewter]

turtles is spreading misinfo

[little tree]

What CA gun do i go for command is outdated

[hollow gust]

the hinden gun fits in more places

[white agate]

is a ur gun at +10 generally better or worse than a gold gun at +13?
or even more in genearal for offensive equipement is there a trend?

[hollow gust]

depends on which UR gun

[barren tapir]

as always it depends also UR gear costs 3x the plates so that's another consideration

[white agate]

yep, that was the main reason i asked(i would prefer 3 +13 at 1)

[hollow gust]

well you dont need +13 457s or 460s

[stark quiver]

Is there a way to refund plates from a +14 457

[hollow gust]

nope

[dusky fiber]

scrap it for a fraction of it

[hollow gust]

or not all of it, and you lose the gun

[inland shoal]

How do you have a +14 457?

[stark quiver]

If I scrap it do I how much plates do I get back

[barren tapir]

+14 is incredible

how do i unlock this power

[dusky fiber]

25%

[barren tapir]

not worth just keep it

[stark quiver]

Hm
So it has come to this…..

[hollow gust]

just keep your 457

its nice for keary

[stark quiver]

How does a +13 hvar compare to a +10 bfg in med

[jaunty vault]

bfg still wins

[dusky fiber]

I'm pretty sure there was a Hit Rate Table for the different planes. Can someone provide a link?

Nevermind, I found it myself.

[main lily]

Is hai yung gacha only?

[storm heron]

someone's considering +13 bfg I have 2 of them, I think they are ok until you get 4 la9s

[white agate]

4 la9s +13

[stark quiver]

I can’t +13 anything

[jaunty vault]

boomer privilege

[dusty gulch]

better to buy all Action points for secured zone search or just keep the coins?

[inland shoal]

From Akashi? Definitely buy the AP

[novel solstice]

Assuming you have time before the month ends to use them, buy them all.

[dusty gulch]

i mean im done with everything

[tropic tusk]

Month ends in like 10h or so

[stone sluice]

Buy the AP

I got 1 rainbow aircraft mat, 1 rainbow plate (to can +13 rainbow gear), and plenty of gold plates by farming C5 today.

The AP is definitely worth

[dusty gulch]

yeah ok. i think you get the tickets back for unspent AP too

[stark quiver]

You don’t

AP doesn’t become vouchers

[dusty gulch]

hmm, you're right

[woven star]

Btw better buy special item token from mystery merchant even if you don't need them. Convert price 400 to 5. At the end of month you will get 5 vouchers instead of 4

[ornate forum]

I bet you have everything 11+

[vagrant harness]

who should i prio dev30? kear or hindenburg?

[forest palm]

Kears if you can, but whoever is currently the highest

[dusty gulch]

@stone sluice any reason to do C5 over C6?

[stone sluice]

C5 is cheaper for same rewards

But I don’t know if C3 has even same rewards

[dusty gulch]

well it's mostly just the cats that give rewards correct?

[stone sluice]

Afaik.
It’s a matter of luck. But stills worth to try.

[storm heron]

I tried c3 and it didn't give me anything for 300 ap, and I quit

[stark quiver]

Cat go diving and fish up good loot

[little tree]

Is it worth spending arrays to make Helena more tanky for meta fights and opsi ?

[stark quiver]

Yes she’s good to 125

[river junco]

What should I change in my boss fleet comp for 14-4 so my main fleet doesn't die on auto?
Forgot to edit it but Amagi also has a beacon to sync with soyuz's barrage

[little tree]

~~ hiden in campaign ~~

[keen sable]

Less sync

[sweet delta]

Better AA

[jaunty vault]

use an AP gun on soy

[sweet delta]

CB gun for aegir and planes with more AoE for nakh

[river junco]

so pancake and tenrai better?

[jaunty vault]

and wyvern

[keen sable]

inb4 need to show ships

[hollow gust]

That gun on agir is kinda fucked too

[steep peak]

Which ur should I focus on next? Or just wait until the new ur, I have 42k spec core

[forest palm]

only acceptable CA gun on a CB these days is the UR HE one, and that's cause the Triple 310 is kind of meh

[keen sable]

Z

[forest palm]

I'd wait for February UR

[steep peak]

[jaunty vault]

why is your shinano not locked

[dreamy blade]

dupe

[steep peak]

Dupe

[sweet delta]

Is there a hidden row or two of URs above

[jaunty vault]

alsosince you have a lot of spec core

i dont think you'll need to wait

[dreamy blade]

and you only need 3 bulins for z52

[steep peak]

Yes

[sweet delta]

Then Z52 is the only immediately useful one, but Yorkii is also fine to max since you have so much surplus

[steep peak]

Alr, I'll work on z52 then

[keen sable]

Only 2 ur bb...

[little tree]

Fdg Alice and muashi is 3 no ?

[zenith heron]

may I know ships that are limited to JP and CN Only?

considering I was reviewing a said spreadsheet of Suchi's "Ranking For End Game" one...

despite being negligent on the topic

~~trying to feed my curiosity for a moment ~~

[sweet delta]

22, 33, and utawarerumono collab

[turbid marsh]

2233 CN ONLY

[forest palm]

just call them Bili Bili DD

[zenith heron]

I haven't faced world 15, but is it true that in Support Carriers, they only use Fighters right? so no Torp Bombers that can intercept can't be used?

[forest palm]

yes, CVs in the Support Fleet only utilize their Fighters, no skills of any kind will be active

[zenith heron]

so I guess I won't worry using wyverns then, despite being the best on intercept as well, being on par with the Flapjack in terms of dmg intercept stat, I guess I'll be sticking to Breguet for now

[soft raft]

Non-fighter slots are basically stat padding for support fleet

[zenith heron]

also for building the UR Triple 406 MK7, which is at least the most efficient to use and craft with it?

The Mark D? or just the normal purple triple 406?

[soft raft]

Mark D route

[nimble knoll]

Should I be doing DC d-4 or the Hm event boss?

[stark quiver]

Are you done with event?

[white agate]

event is worth it till 38k point

[nimble knoll]

I got to 60k ye

[stark quiver]

Then go do dc

[nimble knoll]

What does Secrets do for the ship?

[sweet delta]

Nothing for the ship, something for you

[stark quiver]

Asmr

[nimble knoll]

Oh.. Okei

[zenith heron]

what area in OPSI is the best to farm till AP gets drained to 0?

[white agate]

c3 is best -> for time efficiency c5

[stark quiver]

C3/5

I’d just farm c5 tho

Also better start now 7 h left until reset

[storm heron]

for next harby, should CV still be used despite the 50% AA?

[sinful socket]

where do I get good Iris Libre stuff for Brest ?

[sweet delta]

She can use the rainbow AA gun or just ignore the iris gear restriction

[sweet delta]

Should BB still be used despite the 50% chance to block FP DMG when below 30% HP?

[rapid grail]

c5 at this point lol

[eternal moth]

Blucher rerun is the next event right?

[inland shoal]

Think so

[sinful socket]

oh I can just ignore restriction ? good to know

[eternal moth]

You can, but you're missing out on damage if you do.

[sinful socket]

rn i don't have any rainbows, imma just grab the Quadruple main gun from the core shop

[eternal moth]

I wouldn't do that. It's not very good, as it's too slow

I'd just take the damage hit and go with Agir gun in that case.

[sinful socket]

doesn't seem like she can equip it anyways

[sweet delta]

15% crit damage is minimal, just ignore the iris gear

[sinful socket]

i got scammed

[eternal moth]

Did you try to buy her a battleship gun?

[sinful socket]

yeah kinda

[sweet delta]

[eternal moth]

The right one is her gun, the left is the battleship

[sinful socket]

i was like it's iris libre, there's a lot of BB/BBV/BC

[sweet delta]

neither is good

[sinful socket]

i mean, that's confusing

[eternal moth]

BC != CB

[sinful socket]

I mean now I have something for Richelieu I guess

[eternal moth]

But yeah, just give her Agir's gun and call it good until you can get a rainbow AA gun for her.

[eternal moth]

That's terrible for anyone

[sinful socket]

I don't have Agir gun

[sweet delta]

what CB gun do you have then?

[sinful socket]

not a lot

[sweet delta]

is your brest even dev 25+

[wanton swallow]

Hi i New in the game, actual banners are good?

[sinful socket]

she's 23

[sweet delta]

no, just do the usual 1 Light build per day

[eternal moth]

It depends on the banner. Generally you just want to build 1 per day on light

[eternal moth]

There aren't any CB guns there

[sweet delta]

i recommend not using Brest, and btw you have the wrong gun on Saint

[sinful socket]

bro you think I'm doing W15 hard or something ? 😂

[eternal moth]

Saint REALLY wants an HE gun, like the one right below it.

[sinful socket]

I just slapped Saint in there to grind the XP for Brest I'm benching her

im slapping the HE gun on Saint then

my brest is 24 research level

36 BP away from 25

[sweet delta]

in fact, if you don't care about AA, 15 FP from the twin 134mm easily beats 15% main gun crit dmg french AA

[sinful socket]

btw, I'm waiting for 2 fleets of lvl 125 and fully equipped before starting OPSI, is that overkill ?

[forest palm]

very much so

[sinful socket]

can I do OPSI w/out 2 fleets ?

[forest palm]

you just need like 2 fleets with an average range for 110 ~ 120 for like the later stuff, but Ops isn't that hard

[sinful socket]

oh ok

[night walrus]

How do i change secretary?

[forest palm]

top left of that UI

[sinful socket]

top left of UI, then secretary

[night walrus]

it didnt work..

[flat fractal]

is there a way to optimally use these things? or can i just use them all on whoever i'm grinding exp for

[uneven cave]

analyse for protocores

[ivory pawn]

The optimal way is to find them in the depot, and tap "Analyze".

[flat fractal]

i had no idea you could do that, good thing i asked LOL

[rapid grail]

do not use them for their intended features
you can basically farm the entirety of their CDC in 1 week or even less
so analyze these so that you can get protocores to spend on PR gears

[uneven cave]

CDC grind is not the bottleneck of PR grind anyway

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[soft raft]

I think this might have something to do with it

[uneven cave]

Get your protocore then spend them on gear

[flat fractal]

Gotcha, i need to look more into pr gear since i've barely started using the feature

[night walrus]

aight that worked thx

[flat fractal]

i just heard pr 7 is good to do so ive been runinng those reseraches while working on the pr1 ships i have unlocked so ar

[vital meadow]

https://imgur.com/wLG1K1d which of these planes (excluding the rainbow one) should i +13?

[zenith heron]

I am tripping right now due to less sleep, but C5 its Corrosion 5 right?

[soft raft]

"PR7 pog" is mainly referring to only the DRs
You should do FdG, PR4 (Except Marco), and at least Plymouth (and maybe Brest) from PR5 before then

[vital meadow]

(i already got like 2 VIT-2 +13 and 1 of aichi b7a_

[flat fractal]

ah shoot should i change my reserach focus then gear wise? i dont have enough tech points for most ships so i'm working on roon to get iron blood up.

[zenith heron]

if I could recall, fighters like the Bf10g and La 9, is the prio on +13 after the divebombers (Tenrai and Skyraider), but I suggest doing them only once considering you might drain them fast, and it depends on the bosses you face...

[soft raft]

both in terms of gear and ships yes

PR4 has the most amount of relevant ships for a season with everyone besides Marco still having a use to this day despite being almost 4 years old at this point

[flat fractal]

got it ill swap to pr4

[vital meadow]

all my tenrai/skyraider/la-9 are already +13 so

but i need those gear cuz i think like the gold bombers above are BIS for Meta showdown cuz i never see those rainbow bombers as recs for comps in meta showdown

[flat fractal]

rn the ships i have enough tech points for are bayard brest mainz seattle gascogne and pr1 so i've just been doing pr1 ships for tech points

[eager mulch]

[uneven cave]

That's because even rainbow gear have their specific use cases

[zenith heron]

tbf I'd +13 any of those torpedo bombers then, for as long as it stays on your best ship/loadout of said ship

[vital meadow]

im not hurting for regular comps for farming. rn i need gears for like one shot comp for meta which i think are only the gold bombers above

[tulip zenith]

is there any particular reason all my cvs are just ass compared to bbs

like skyraider tenrai ryusei amagi just absolutely tickles the boss compared to any of my bbs

[soft raft]

which boss specifically?
we need more context to better understand your question

[zenith heron]

Gear issue or fleet issue is the obvious reason

and Armor Modifiers exist

[sharp socket]

well because your gearing sucks and you need a slow/stopper

[tulip zenith]

its 12-4 boss

med armor

[sharp socket]

then it doesnt matter because it still kills

[tulip zenith]

what

[uneven cave]

Imagine all your torps aim for Maya instead of the stationary Choukai because why not

[zenith heron]

like I said since you actually +13 your Fighters and Dive Bombers, then do the torp bombers of any kind for as long as its basically the best ship you have, and that plane should stay on that said ship's loadout, unless you have too much plates to +13

[vital meadow]

i think i have 7 +13 wyverns cuz i didnt know what gear to level back in the days

[sharp socket]

is your fleet failing 12-4 boss

[white agate]

rigging analisis always better than coin analisis for ur gear right?

[tulip zenith]

no

[soft raft]

No wonder
iirc the bosses there move around so of course the Ryusei is gonna whiff completely

[sharp socket]

then why worry

[soft raft]

also why is Amagi CV not using any fighters?

[soft raft]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[tulip zenith]

bruh idk what im doing 😂 i asked in here for gear advice and some dude told me use whatever

ofc im gonna pick the funny rainbow plane

[zenith heron]

you can follow the plus13 tag on bot spam,

but since this is bossing, its just basically the Saiun, Ryuusei, Junkers, and Vit 2 mod changes, which all of them are just for timing purposes....

[tulip zenith]

im just curious why

cuz investing into cv stuff when my bbs seem to be better seems a little silly

[white agate]

yep, i know just confirming since google translate is a bit weird sometimes iirc values were something akin to arpund 0.044 for rigging srandard and 0.030 for the best coin research

[soft raft]

Well for one, BBs arent as good as shooting down enemy planes as CVs can

Of which CVs cant do if they dont have Fighters and Wyvern/Breguet

[sharp socket]

the long answer is that campaign boss is not worth using slow/stopper ships and converging TBs for big damage because there are other things to worry about like AA, mobs, planes, etc

[tulip zenith]

so if im just looking for damage when aa isnt a problem then bbs will be better?

[viscid swift]

no

[tulip zenith]

epic

[soft raft]

CVs still have value as their airstrikes clear all enemy projectiles

[sharp socket]

and BBs can do the nuking part without any additional stuff, just their main guns and barrage though they can also be buffed again its not worth using all their buffers because of the stuff mentioned above

[tulip zenith]

so bbs are more braindead damage vs cvs have more util and setup?

[glacial widget]

OpSi Fleet Upgrades - Help

[plain saffron]

Bb easier to setup, cv higher dmg with higher investment, assuming you even have all the specific CV needed

[tulip zenith]

ok thx, ima keep using bb for now 😎

[plain saffron]

And equips

[soft raft]

How many days do we have left of TaihouM again?

[zenith heron]

40 days left

[sharp socket]

the additional longer answer is that those CV fleets you see for meta showdown, arbiter are specifically built for that boss, are usually stacked af to kill it in one fleet or one strike for arbiter, there is effectively no benefit in killing arbiter in less than 4 fleets except time, for meta fights just 2 rounds is enough because you literally only save 40 oil and a minute and people just oneshot for flexing and pushing the limits, and they are also very often players with alot of playtime and fleet tech to pull off the things they do and are thus very not relevant for someone pushing campaign

short answer is "just use BB it kills almost everything well"

[rain hill]

Is there any youtuber or recent person who can tell me what I do in the first week of the game? I'm installing it now, I played a long time ago but I'm coming back, I'm very interested in the game, I wanted tips like: which character to focus on, or which banner is worth pulling, etc., the game seems to have a lot of content... By the way, is there an event going on?

[viscid swift]

a good place to start is giving that a read and yes there is an event going on right now but no it is not worth going hard in on
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[soft raft]

AL YT isnt really trustworthy 99% of the time as it's either outdated, misniformation, disinformation, two of the three, or all three at once

Read the guide that was linked just now

[eager mulch]

[bright tusk]

Shinano Lv125 Aff 200: Ju87D4 +13, Tenrai +13, Ju87D4 +13, two gold catapult +13
Implacable Lv125 Aff 100: Fw190 A6/R6 +13, two Vit-2 (mode change) +13, two gold catapult +13
Amagi CV Lv125 Aff 100: Tenrai +13, two Ryuusei +13, two gold catapult +13

Mogador Lv125 Aff 100: twin 138.6mm +11, quad magtorp +12, STAAG +10, goldburn +10, toolkit +11
Kazagumo Lv125 Aff 100: single 76mm +7, quad magtorp +13, gerat +10, goldburn +10, toolkit +10
Unzen Lv125 Aff 100, hindenburg gun +10, UR magtorp +13, twin 80mm type 98 +10, two UR oxy torp +10

can't one shot taihou meta, dealing only 1.400.000ish damage
any suggestion?

[viscid swift]

better AA and Kazagumo running 2 oxy torps for a start

as well as a +13 La-9 on Implac if you're gonna forgo passive intercept

otherwise you may as well run a Flapjack

[bright tusk]

is this showdown need AA?

[viscid swift]

yes, Taiho launches quite a few planes

[signal pollen]

What are the opsi shop priority? For The special item token and the exchange shp?

[nimble knoll]

So I just unlocked OpSi, and I'm wondering, should I use Aquila Or Uni? (And if Aquila Should I use Heal Mode Or Nah?)
(And don't mind Shima, she's just there for Moral Support Lmao)

[soft raft]

stick with Uni

[rain hill]

Tysm guys

[obsidian ivy]

Z52 prefers FP aux yeah? (Meta bossing and tankiness not needed)

[nimble knoll]

Should I use Hvar On Uni?

[weary gust]

No. HVAR is for anti-light boss. Not mobbing.

[nimble knoll]

Aight

[weary gust]

Although, if in opsi, you can swap gear at will, so you can put it on her for if you're going to fight a boss with light armor there.

[worldly pewter]

can u speedrun opsi to ch5 ? before the reset

[weary gust]

Maybe.

[nimble knoll]

I can try

[left cedar]

if u play like a madguy, probally

[worldly pewter]

being a madguy for 6 hours is worth the pain of 1 month

[weary gust]

5.5 hours left till reset. 3-4 is what I remember it taking to clear opsi when it came out (and chapter 4 was the highest then)

May even be able to stay in opsi interface and cheese extra time? Not sure if that works for chapter progression

[left cedar]

but it will depend on u and ur game condition, if lack of gears and gud ships, it will be a pain and take several hours, with decent ships and decently gears, it will be a speedrun, but quite doable

[weary gust]

Or would it just make you miss the reset and not get out of the initial setup

[worldly pewter]

if the 32th day works then it might be easy

[left cedar]

also not sure if counts for chapter progression, since if u dont finish b4 month reset u get locked till next

[zinc cave]

Time for science

[weary gust]

Maybe clear chapter 4, leave opsi to make it save progress, then go back in and stay to cheese for chapter 5 for shop update?

[nimble knoll]

I can send what my fleet build is

[worldly pewter]

his fleet is above 100 on avg with uni vv and yk2

[zinc cave]

Could work

It would be nice to know if it works

[left cedar]

doable ... just speedrun it

[viscid swift]

meh, nothing worth losing sleep over

[nimble knoll]

Yeah all my ships are 100+, Uni and VV are 110,Yk2 and Laffy are 108, Helena and Portland are 102

[left cedar]

not everyone works on saturday .. and can save 30 days
also not everyone it will be night time ...

[nimble knoll]

It's day time for me, 9:31 am

[late flame]

gmt+8 gang rise up

[uneven cave]

ok but where's my gmt+10 gang

[zinc cave]

[nimble knoll]

Lemme create a thread so I can send my fleets gear

[late flame]

its why i usually just grab loggers and leave AL *to run opsi overnight at the beginning of the month

[nimble knoll]

OpSi Fleet Gear

[left cedar]

yeah, asia have quite alot of players ... thats why i imagine u can be around that zone
also its night time here and i work saturday and sunday ... also 12h both days, so i just taking a slow time to get warmed up to go to bed

[mild sail]

I swap Plymouth in

Also update gears on Volga

[worldly pewter]

put ply tank at least

[viscid swift]

well it might have helped to use an actual tank

[mild sail]

I see that she have lower EVA

[viscid swift]

evasion isn't the only determining factor for eHP

you can't evade everything, sometimes you just have to take hits

[worldly pewter]

do u have better cats ?
bisha jiro oscar to replace the justice

[mild sail]

Jiro?

[nimble knoll]

I should be doing c-5's right?

[sleek spade]

Hellu. Beeg question: Should I save February's UR Bulins till the new UR release or should I max ykII for big Light dmg fleet?

[worldly pewter]

jiromaru or eagle both are good cv cats

[mild sail]

How much you can buy?

[nimble knoll]

??

[sleek spade]

2 this month, then 1 from the upcoming UR event itself?

and probably another one from new battlepass soon tm

so likely will get 4 this month

[worldly pewter]

there isn't any need for yk2 now for boss fighting
u might use her in w15 that is it

[sleek spade]

hmm ok

so just put her mlb on hold and wait for new UR then

[worldly pewter]

yeah then u can see what u want after the release of the new ur and meta showdown

[mild sail]

I would prefer to not talk about my cat for now

I did a lot of stupid things with cats

[sleek spade]

ogey

[glossy granite]

Yo i am using Portland retrofit and helena, should i go for Fu shun retrofit or Yat sen 😅

Ik they are different

[worldly pewter]

can u explain more ?

or screenshot the thing

[worldly pewter]

not only different but also they use different retro prints

after helena and port u might want to focus more on x-2 and get the dd ones from other sources

[weary gust]

Yat Sen only has value with another Dragon Empery vanguard in the fleet, and she needs to be retroed. Fu Shun as a DDG is good by herself. If you can get both they'd be an upgrade for mob fleet over Port/Helena.

[glossy granite]

Oh i forgot, also San diego retrofit but she will become UR and no point until maxed LB

For some reason i got 81 T2 cruiser prints, 41 T1 and 13 T3

I dont play hard mode much at all i just stack them up somehow

Getting both Fu shun and Yat sen retrofit wont be impossible and i have that thing Fu shun needs

[nimble knoll]

In OpSI, but I tried doing C-5 and in the first few fights, my Vanguards were almost dead, so I'll probably stick to c-4 or c-3

[worldly pewter]

if u meant C5 then yes stay away from it

[barren tapir]

probably adaptive tuning issue

work on the story right?

[worldly pewter]

he just unlocked opsi

trying to speedrun to ch5

[barren tapir]

why u keep putting squishiest ship as tank?

first kita, now shima lol

[mild sail]

I gave my reason above

[barren tapir]

yeah then jsut do story as much as possible and buy ap and adaptive tunings whenever youcan ig?

[nimble knoll]

This is what I'm using so

[mild sail]

Man what the hell

[verbal thistle]

How many BPs do I need to go from FS0 to FS5?

[barren tapir]

ah understandable mistake ig

just for future reference tho, ply > yuudachi > shima > kita for ehp

[ivory pawn]

The problem isn't your ships, the problem is the numbers on the right. Stay away from it until those numbers are much, much higher.

[barren tapir]

swap portland and laffey xd

[ivory pawn]

Also, when you have a moment, go to a blue port, click Port, the Formation, then Repair Laffey.

[worldly pewter]

rearrange them to the same spots as in the campaign stages order

[barren tapir]

and yeah problem is adaptive tuning. story doesnt make u fight c5 until ch5 anyway so avoid it when you can for now

[barren tapir]

i believe something like 165 for pr and 215 for dr?

[verbal thistle]

Thank you.

[soft raft]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[nimble knoll]

What the, I'm at 80 AP Already wth-

[weary gust]

I don't think story chapter stages cost AP?

[eternal moth]

They don't, but once you finish a story chapter you have to pay for the normal stage

[worldly pewter]

u want to unlock the daily missions and pray for ap boxes there

[weary gust]

Oil to AP.

[verbal thistle]

I had a look at the W15 guide and I'm very close to the recommended units. I'd just like to know what Jeanne's role is specifically?

[stark quiver]

Keep vanguard alive

[forest palm]

support, sustain, shielding

[verbal thistle]

Any alternative options?

[rapid grail]

pretty good ship to sustain your frontline against enemy punishment

anchorage, eldridge retrofit (tho hers is RNG reliant)

[forest palm]

the only ship that iirc matches what Jeanne does is Sheffield, which about that...

[soft raft]

lol
lmao even

[stark quiver]

Sheffy

[rapid grail]

⁉️

[verbal thistle]

Hm, I'll have a look at Anchorage. Thanks.

[forest palm]

Jeanne is uniquely one of the few ships where there's no 1:1 replacement

[stark quiver]

i mean in all honesty, you dont need jeanne

[weary gust]

New CN strat incoming.

[forest palm]

nah this shit was from like 2018 lol

[barren tapir]

those unlock after ch4

[worldly pewter]

i thought it was ch2

[barren tapir]

pretty sure ch4

[stark quiver]

whats the 2nd best option to replace skyraider in light

[forest palm]

Tenrai

[coral elk]

Yesterday's strats?

[barren tapir]

i dont remember having daily missions for a long time, lemme check wiki

[stark quiver]

how much dmg loss

[coral elk]

Wait, oh god

[barren tapir]

ya im right it's ch4

[worldly pewter]

yeah basically all the qol mechanics are after ch4

[barren tapir]

they might be cooked idk. cos they need to clear 8 sectors per "region" to progress the story more.

[nimble knoll]

I have 5 hours left, and I just need to believe-

[worldly pewter]

it is about the ap restriction not time too

[barren tapir]

depends on if the maps give back ap boxes or no

iirc some story maps have bonus fight or chests hidden which can drop ap boxes...

also there's always oil - worth in this case if u can finish ch4 imo, reset is huge.

[rose cosmos]

Maintenance next week? New banner?

[barren tapir]

for the sector clear requirement to advance to ch2/3/4 try clearing cheapest ones you can (but also youll have to path to the story sectors, so idk)

[worldly pewter]

he made an oupsie earlier too by going into a c5 zone

[nimble knoll]

Almost got my Vanguards cooked

[weary gust]

Your laffey did get cooked.

If she still has that red wrench icon, you need to go to a port and repair her. Max HP doesn't fix it. With that wrench icon her skills are disabled.

[nimble knoll]

Didn't even clear the c5 zone, I fought two battles then dipped-

[nimble knoll]

I repaired her

[forest palm]

pretty sure Skyraider was like double

[stark quiver]

yo

💀
50% dmg loss is fucked up

[zinc cave]

[weary gust]

We didn't have Skyraider for a long time. You'll live.

[forest palm]

ya, but it's gonna get awkward when the top recommend comps for Light want 2x Skyraider

[zinc cave]

accounting for hit rate, its like a 60% difference on a small hitbox

[weary gust]

Anti-light BB fleet better than CV fleet if no skyraiders/hvars imo.

[stark quiver]

[nimble knoll]

Do OpSI chapters give Xp or nah?

[stark quiver]

i remember completing skipping first yk2 event as well

[forest palm]

the first clear of the month on all nodes gives quite a lot of XP, and the subsequent runs give like almost nothing

[mild sail]

So c15 is c13 on steroids?

[nimble knoll]

It's literally giving me 0 Xp..

[weary gust]

Blue enemy nodes give 0 xp

[mild sail]

That is...
Not how it works

[worldly pewter]

it is 20x harder because of 15-4

[spring bolt]

even with hvar and skyraider, bb fleet has better damage potential than cv/mixed fleet anyway, for light armor meta

[mild sail]

How it compare to hard 13-4

[stark quiver]

haha

[worldly pewter]

i still didn't clear h13-4

[weary gust]

13-4 is plane baby. 15-4 is plane Chuck Norris with a shotgun.

[stark quiver]

[mild sail]

Who the fuck thought it is a perfect idea to buff plane HP

[nimble knoll]

I've been doing the chapter 1 story of OpSI and it's not giving me xp-

[stark quiver]

devs, and lwk not that hard to clear, if u have right setup

[worldly pewter]

i think the boss in h13 are stronger as in they hit harder i think

that is what i felt

[mild sail]

I need Tenrai

[weary gust]

hardmode ch13 the bosses are dangerous yeah.

[mild sail]

Wait not tenrai

[stark quiver]

nah you need tenrai

[mild sail]

Wyren

[stark quiver]

also that

[worldly pewter]

need is a strong word here
there are alternatives i think

[noble tulip]

Average 15-4 plane waves

[mild sail]

That is quadruple 13-4

[stark quiver]

you *want tenrai

[mild sail]

Damn wish we have 6 Sandy retro

[weary gust]

You can only run one of her in the fleet regardless.

[worldly pewter]

u have guam and laff what do u need more

[mild sail]

I have Anchorage also

[merry flint]

Whats the secret to katsuragi hard

[viscid swift]

bullet spam, literally

[worldly pewter]

anchorage is bad at aa

[forest palm]

was about to say Katsuragi was just unga

[mild sail]

Flapjack or Tigercat

[forest palm]

Flap

[merry flint]

Whats the best ships for bullet spam?

Oh ok thank you

[weary gust]

DDGs

Wrong post reply but w/e, right person.

[viscid swift]

ships with MGM+1 that can equip DD guns

[nimble knoll]

ch 1-5 of OpSI and no Xp Smh

[mild sail]

Is Bearcat worse Tigercat or it have specific use cases?

[weary gust]

Slightly worse, basically the same, don't ever make. Okay they're worse than I remembered.

[viscid swift]

bearcat does literally half the damage of the tigercat

[worldly pewter]

this means that ur uni is having massive skill issues

[sweet delta]

harbin is the most bullet spam but doesn't buff main fleet dmg https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/january/

[mild sail]

I could slap another flapjack on for w15

[viscid swift]

I think you have bigger concerns

[worldly pewter]

+12 on low priority planes

[weary gust]

So many wasted plates.

[stark quiver]

+12 demon

[mild sail]

Eh, I played this game for 5 years, I can play 5 more

[viscid swift]

how to tell me you don't do much OpSi without telling me you don't do much OpSi

[weary gust]

Why are you stopping at +12, anyways? Bad gear choice aside.

[stark quiver]

wait why do you have everything +12

[viscid swift]

probably because they don't have the parts to +13 it

[stark quiver]

i just keep my stuff at +11

[viscid swift]

These specially

[mild sail]

Yeah that specific part for 13

[viscid swift]

I rest my case

[weary gust]

I didn't think it was possible to run out of those before running out of the normal plates.

[mild sail]

Guess what

[stark quiver]

chicken butt

[viscid swift]

it is if you ignore OpSi for years but are otherwise active

[mild sail]

[viscid swift]

as I said, the average player ignores OpSi like the plague, it is the last piece of content people will do

[nimble knoll]

Does doing OpSI give the things needed to make a flapjack?

[eager mulch]

YES

[novel condor]

Wait did opsi reset yet?

[zinc cave]

No

[stark quiver]

no

[eager mulch]

NO

[mild sail]

Byou have 5 hours

[novel condor]

Thx tutel

[weary gust]

Why is turtle replying to everything in single word all caps

[mild sail]

4

[worldly pewter]

anyway this yk2 build is 🚮 for w15
u need more fighters

[eager mulch]

sorry I have a headache from playing wows (carrying too hard)

[mild sail]

Yeah I have another flapjack

[viscid swift]

I understand

[mild sail]

4 hours actually

[worldly pewter]

i d put her in the support fleet with interceptor

[sweet delta]

Same tbh

[weary gust]

Use flaps for mainfleet, support fleet can make fwockets.

[eager mulch]

Ragnar, 2k hp, 0 consumables left, having to run to J1 to win

[mild sail]

What

[zinc cave]

Why upgrade the F4U

[mild sail]

I remember you guys asking the same question last year or the year before

[weary gust]

And that didn't tell you anything?

[mild sail]

Look
I haven't upgrade more F4 since then

[nimble knoll]

Should I +10 another corsair?

[worldly pewter]

i started playing a year ago so i wasn't there yet gladly i escaped that

[stark quiver]

gold colrsair

[zinc cave]

Purple or Gold Corsair, and why

[nimble knoll]

Only purples atm

[nimble knoll]

When I need to make a flapjack and better planes

[worldly pewter]

keep speedrunning the story and hope for the best for now

[stone sluice]

Me +12ing the non magnetic torps one year ago

[gloomy willow]

Hey guys. Returning after a few years hiatus. I've never actually finished a PR season completely. I have dev30 only 6 ships out of the first 4 seasons. I only recently switched to pr5 since Ply looked like a good choice but is it worth it to go back and focus 1-4 considering there are better ships now? Trying to unfuck my jumping around seasons. Thanks in advance.

[zinc cave]

Anchorage and AvP from PR4

[weary gust]

You can purchase blueprints with coins for older seasons. No need to set research priority to them.

[late flame]

unless tenrai

[zinc cave]

Also coining PR/DR ships is a thing now

[weary gust]

gear lab update

[keen sable]

it is not worth focus on seasons before 5. it may or may not be worth catchup on s4.

[viscid swift]

I still recc PR4 gear focus to start unless the PR4 gear is dirt cheap in the lab

[stone sluice]

Stick to Plymouth. You can coin seasons 1 to 4

[viscid swift]

and if you were gonna skip 4 I'd recc starting with PR7 not 5

[gloomy willow]

Ok. I maxed Anchorage and I didn't realize coining the rest was a thing. When I left there wasn't a queue for research either so lots to catch up on. Why 7 over 5? Just better ships in general I assume?

[weary gust]

That and gear.

[worldly pewter]

it is hard to decide between 5 and 7 both have good ships and gear

[viscid swift]

not really

[coral elk]

Wasn't pr5 gear kind of mid compared to some other pr gear?

[worldly pewter]

it is 4 then 7 then 5

[keen sable]

if you want to be a snail. 5 has catchup

[rapid grail]

2/5 pr5 gear is good

rest is ehh and/or has alternatives that are easier to access

[gloomy willow]

Interesting. I'm currently trying to unlocking rupprecht. So since 7 is the latest, would it be better long term to switch to 7 instead of 5? I can tell i spent too much time away lol

[viscid swift]

setting research focus to 7 would be the best until you at least get 1 LA-9 and Nahkimov dev 30

[rapid grail]

i would recommend finishing up a season's dev30/fs5 for ships before jumping ship to other seasons

[viscid swift]

if you're gonna skip PR4 that is

[stone sluice]

I have 2 champy guns, even if I have soyuz and flandre guns, is it highly recommended to get a 3rd champy gun?
I have the stuff to afford it no risk getting broke

[keen sable]

how come you don't have a 410

[rapid grail]

probably not, personally would like to +13 a flandre gun for timing sidegrade
triple 410 considered if you have musashi only lol

[zenith heron]

can C5 drop t2 ordinance rarely? if not, I guess I cope till reset

even if its just a few hours left

[keen sable]

anything can drop...

[rapid grail]

Cat node moment

[worldly pewter]

but the ur ordnance

[zinc cave]

Soyuz gun works fine with 2 Champagne guns for Med/Heavy coverage, difference is not that big, can leave optimizing it for later

[barren tapir]

most if not all story nodes give 0 exp this is indeed how it works?

[zenith heron]

nah its the gold ordinance I need for my 3rd 155 kai, then off I go to prioritize the UR DD HE gun

[viscid swift]

why do you need 3 155 kais

[zenith heron]

minmaxing defense
~~
despite not even needed, considering I have one ply gun and nep gun~~

[worldly pewter]

ur ordnance can drop ?

[viscid swift]

well that would only be true for W14

and even then you only need a pair

[zinc cave]

No, you can only get that from the shop

It can drop everything else though

[worldly pewter]

yes that is what i thought but unique still affirmed that it can drop so i got confused

[keen sable]

sorry ordnance...no

[zenith heron]

well I'll just take 3 just in case

[keen sable]

but technically yes. just drop more golds

[mild sail]

Yeah

[zenith heron]

bcs its usually 2-3 copies per equipment right?

after that hoard what ever you want if you even have more or finished +13 the prios

[worldly pewter]

there is no rule to how many of a single equip

[barren tapir]

ruppy can be coined anyway so just do pr7 unless you really want to rush plymouth

[zenith heron]

forgot this is subjective

bcs there is no way that having 3 flapjacks on w15 is enough, unless minmaxing purple planes that are good with intercept is on point

[eager mulch]

you should get more

[keen sable]

i only have 1 155 kai after 14 and have never used it. was just bored one day

[nimble knoll]

Wat shud I buy

[barren tapir]

oh wow that sucks

[barren tapir]

ap boxes and adaptive tuning if ur goal is to finish ch4 before reset

[gloomy willow]

Alot of votes for 7. I like Nakhimov twerkin anyway

[worldly pewter]

ap boxes then look for attack on the capsules

[barren tapir]

attack and survivability both, you dont wanna deal with nearly 2x hp enemies

speaking of t3 ordnances, is there a point in getting a 457 for me anymore, considering the price and whatnot, or can i just ignore its existence entirely and eventually pick up 1 from protocore ig?

(assuming it takes ordnances i dont recall tbh)

[rapid grail]

Basado; go ahead. pr7 is also a pretty good season, 3/5 good ships and one of the better anti-everything (in context of bossing) gear in La-9

[worldly pewter]

1 from the proto shop and bail

[zinc cave]

Not really

[zenith heron]

if you just only want a faster clear, without relying on helena, but I prefer champy guns anyway

[plain saffron]

I craft more bcs i don't want to swap gear

[rapid grail]

just one on protocore; no need to get more unless you yourself want more

[zenith heron]

minmaxing dmg

[mild sail]

Which DD can use this

Look, I know it make the DD lackluster but I just want to do it

[viscid swift]

Halford

[late flame]

halford

[barren tapir]

just halford and shes hot trash until she's fixed, if ever and even then shes mid af

[viscid swift]

good thing I stopped leveling her

[barren tapir]

im coping shes usable on manual but i have my doubts even there

[eager mulch]

I miss renhex

[plain saffron]

If both champy and 457 fires the same amount of time then champy will do more regardless of having jelena or not

[eager mulch]

jelena?

[barren tapir]

yelena

[zenith heron]

never thought about that

it was last year when I was listening to the "Bristol over Plymouth" guy

[plain saffron]

Nelena

[eager mulch]

Haratoga

[plain saffron]

*assuming all hit

Burtle

[barren tapir]

friendly reminder to gph nerds to finish your opsi

[mild sail]

So what's the deal with Soyuz gun?

[keen sable]

that's not how faster works.

[zenith heron]

if you are basically comparing to the 20 second AP guns, just a sidegrade over the Champy guns

[eager mulch]

Zaddy

[plain saffron]

But what if faster leave 5% ho left, now it's slower

[worldly pewter]

best bb gun against med armor

[keen sable]

But what if slower overkilled by 20% hp, now it's worse

[arctic aspen]

h0i frens, whats the best alternative to this?

[viscid swift]

there is no alt, only downgrades

[barren tapir]

bfg i guess?

[zinc cave]

Bf 109g (medium), hellcat hvar mount (light)

[barren tapir]

like major downgrade but

[plain saffron]

How much % is the rainbow one compared to below it

[arctic aspen]

downgrades can count as alternatives

[plain saffron]

Define alternative

[barren tapir]

bfg is what u use until u get la9 pretty much

[zenith heron]

vs heavy is the flap, medium BFG, Light = BFG or Hvarcat, but all are downgrades except for the Hvarcat vs Light armor I believe...

[barren tapir]

[eager mulch]

sidegrade

[worldly pewter]

how is la9 10 against bf 13 ?

[zinc cave]

la9 still wins

[barren tapir]

easily smokes it

[arctic aspen]

vs taihou meta, is she light lol

[barren tapir]

la9 is like giga thicc

[zenith heron]

Maihou is Heavy, like her OG counterpart

[arctic aspen]

yeah idk anything about OG taihou either so thanks

[arctic aspen]

flap?

[zinc cave]

la9 is slightly worse than the bf109g against light on raw damage, but has +20 avi
much higher loading time though

[zenith heron]

Flapjack, AKA Pancake, AKA Weird ass flat Fighter plane...

[blissful hamlet]

Just use hvar on light

[arctic aspen]

OH YEAH!

I have that on her rn but it's lv 1 for some reason, I'll replace it with a lv 13 one

"the flap" just caught me off guard, it sounded hilarious

[plain saffron]

266 vs 189
So 40% more dmg against med wow

Not inc avi stats

[zenith heron]

that is the La 9 vs the BFG right?

I wonder the diff at Light armor though

[zinc cave]

less than 5% iirc

[plain saffron]

266 * 80 vs 189 *110

[elfin hollow]

What is the best missile destroy for opsi

[plain saffron]

2% better for light

[keen sable]

what? the one that costs the least?

[zinc cave]

basically the same if not slighty better with +20 avi then

[plain saffron]

I assume he want to ask what

Well for light you use HVAR which is higher dmg compared to la

[zinc cave]

Assuming they’ve got it, ofc

[plain saffron]

Just use BB

[zenith heron]

140% against Light?
this is modifier alr, so not yet taking to account of the other stats

[arctic aspen]

how do I get this?

[zenith heron]

by doing PR7

[hidden garnet]

Dang I think that image is still loading

[vocal sand]

should i use all my blueprints or can they be exchanged for someting else

[arctic aspen]

god dammit

[eternal moth]

Roon can be coined. Don't use general prints on anyone that can be coined up

[plain saffron]

Use each bp for highest season you can

[vocal sand]

i ran out of coin

[arctic aspen]

nevermind. I can make 4. ty for the help guys

[worldly pewter]

dev a ship from the corresponding series until 30
then use these selectors for that ship and analyze them

[vocal sand]

what season?

[plain saffron]

I think he's talking about plane

[arctic aspen]

what are you yapping about

[zenith heron]

if you are that desperate do it on its respectable season, never use a season higher than it...

but its better to coin it as usual, then when you max it and fs5, its basically a free protocore

[eternal moth]

Ok, and? You should only be buying 10 BP per day.

[arctic aspen]

[plain saffron]

You see that bp have series 1,2,3

[arctic aspen]

oh, pisscord reply shit
I fell victim to that too many times

[keen sable]

don't use generals and convert it all to protocore

[barren tapir]

10 a day is recommended as cost/effective progress on coinable ships, but there's no rule saying you cant do more if you have excess coins and no immediate place to spend them imo

i speedran my avp to dev30 during hvar farm because otherwise all those coins had no other use

[eternal moth]

That's 3k, plus 10 for DR at around 7k if you can afford it.

[plain saffron]

Use series 6 on pr5 ships, 5 on 5 and so on

[worldly pewter]

might be ur own connectivity

[elfin hollow]

In damage output

[plain saffron]

No not him. I saw and about to reply to hamaal too

[eternal moth]

Yeah, discord fail reply

[barren tapir]

like talking spending 30-40k coin/day on her just cos i had so many overflow

[plain saffron]

Peak discord experience

[late flame]

one might say its.. discordant

[worldly pewter]

this doesn't make much sense

[vocal sand]

so when i coin up til fs5 the blueprint turn to protocore

[stark quiver]

blueprint can be turned into protocore

[keen sable]

D30 not fs5

[eternal moth]

Not automatically, but they CAN be turned to protocore. I'm pretty sure you can do it once you complete dev30 though, not FS5

[vocal sand]

👍 ok

[elfin hollow]

What is the best missile destroyers best for damage output best used for opsi

[zenith heron]

yes, that is the best and efficient way, as long as its a coinable ship, unless you direly need her for some reason...

currently I think the highest coinable ones are PR5 ships and DR4 ships

[eternal moth]

For generals you'll want to get a ship to dev30, turn all generals for that series into that ship's prints, and then analyze those

[worldly pewter]

missile ships now are only DDGs
if u mean rocket planes it is a different story

[elfin hollow]

Ddgs thats what i meant

[late flame]

as long as you see this in shipyard = coinable

[elfin hollow]

Which one is the best ddg to use

[viscid swift]

damage output for what exactly

[vocal sand]

understood

[worldly pewter]

i m using ty because she is very balanced but i head an shan is the strongest

[viscid swift]

I know OpSi but what in OpSi

[plain saffron]

Mob or boss or what specifically

[viscid swift]

mobs, bosses, with BBs, with other CN and SN ships, etc

[eternal moth]

I'm pretty sure Fu Shun is the single strongest DDG now.

[zenith heron]

I think when used to her fullest by her AB skill I think

[barren tapir]

i think tai yuan general use and an shan bb fleet?

[barren tapir]

according to suchi no both an shan and tai yan recc over her

[late flame]

anshan+uni is my to go 1:1

[zenith heron]

suchi said she kinda mid but still a solid DDG, I am worried about Chang Chun though

[barren tapir]

not mid just not best to invest in unless free

[late flame]

cc and ty kinda wants full fleet to get their best use
unless i suck at reading

[worldly pewter]

i used ty for 1:1 works well

[keen sable]

can't shoot missiles if dead

[eager mulch]

gn gph

[late flame]

only put ddg in mainfleet mode for meme / levelling

[zenith heron]

and probably good for Harbin farming I guess

[viscid swift]

no

Harbin needs vanguards and a DDG in main fleet mode is not a vanguard

[eternal moth]

When is retrofit considered complete, when Modernization node is purchased or when all nodes are filled out?

[viscid swift]

the latter

if you mean for collection, only modernization is needed

[worldly pewter]

but sometimes there is a skill hidden behind the modernization

[zenith heron]

even if they aren't on Main Fleet position?

well shit I need to get DE Vanguards then...

[stark quiver]

bro

[late flame]

yeah harbin only uses vanguard ships*
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Research#tabber-tabpanel-Harbin-4

[bright tusk]

is kearsarge don't want fw 190 A6/R6 against heavy boss? USS fighters that carry bombs far better?

[zenith heron]

ok nvm, I got sidewinded by myself

[barren tapir]

just use ddgs

[zenith heron]

he said on main fleet positions only...

good thing I guess I am still stuck on DDG in Vanguard then

Man I really need to recover sleep

[barren tapir]

they all have good tech too so like even if you are only gonna retro 1 atm (all needed for collection eventually) levelling them is worth it, for harbin exp

[eternal moth]

There we go, all retrofits complete.

[barren tapir]

big congrats but isnt that kinda a trophy thing?

[zenith heron]

also is there any good use to Pinghai and Ninghai retrofit? unless ehp is ignored...

[stark quiver]

no

[late flame]

still havent got them from shop yet lol

[eternal moth]

They tanky AF

[late flame]

+aug is required though

[zenith heron]

I guess they are just for tanks then... but below average to shit everything else then?...

Just curious, considering I don't have them

[late flame]

CL RLD

[viscid swift]

they're CL reload tech, should be good enough

[barren tapir]

i think theyre alright

[stark quiver]

hai sisters are cls

[eternal moth]

Is there any reason to make a second Spearfish?

[stark quiver]

sync and damage , also mobbing

[barren tapir]

is it me or the hai sisters can get insanely high fp for cls

[eternal moth]

Sorta, but that's because they only have one main gun.

Helena has 184 and 2 MGM, as an example

[barren tapir]

like upwards of 400 fp, probably 500 fp with tech

only 1 mgm but it's 180% efficiency and they have +15% dmg and +25% extra to ijn ships too

[viscid swift]

I mean sure but considering this is the top 10 for CLs looking at base FP stat

[barren tapir]

yeah with just a plygun and augment, max tech, and running china wall you get 180% efficiency x1 with 543 fp and 15% dmg and 25% dmg to ijn XD

obviously thats gigaloaded up the ass but im just in shock that those cls can obtain bb-levels of fp lol (this is without offensive aux also)

[barren tapir]

right but i was thinking about total fp. isnt theirs really high for cls when everything is fulfilled

[worldly pewter]

takemaru is suddenly usable

[hollow gust]

They are good

[viscid swift]

I mean sure, yes

[hollow gust]

Ping and Ning damage are still shit

[sweet delta]

Shit when fully fulfilled?

[barren tapir]

nah i know theyre mid im just really at their potential fp stat. i just larscalced and they can reach nearly 700 fp

[vale spindle]

ok but like they are still not good damage options

they are good tanks so if you get damage elsewhere its fine

[barren tapir]

i know again im just expressing shock at how high their fp can get

i hadnt rlly thought about their skills until now

tho im a bit surprised at that nonetheless, i wouldve expected 180%x1, 500-600 fp, +15% dmg amp, +25% vs ijn, and an enhanced and faster aoa to at least be reasonably okay dmg against ijn enemies

[sweet delta]

If you consider Helena meta light DPS as reasonable, then

[viscid swift]

you have to consider them in context among other things

[sweet delta]

Some say this is top tier, some say this is shit

[eager mulch]

do limit break levels increase a ship’s speed

[rapid grail]

nada, if it did i'd imagine some other ships could've entered a certain gamemode's meta

[barren tapir]

so theyre around that, then?

[barren tapir]

some ships

namely tempestas.

idk if there's others but there you go

[rapid grail]

so nothing of value has changed
though i do see it if they were particularly slow...

[elfin hollow]

Hey guys can one of you forge me a team? These are my units (im lvl 31 and in stage 4-2

[soft raft]

give this a read asap
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[elfin hollow]

god i hate reading but okay

[soft raft]

Out of the ships you're currently using, only Enterprise is good

[zenith heron]

also make use of your poor Starter Laffey

[elfin hollow]

😭

wat DD should i buy from the medal shop?

[rapid grail]

don't sleep on unicorn

[elfin hollow]

i bought nagato as BB lol my friend told me to

[rapid grail]

she's really good

[elfin hollow]

yey

[sweet delta]

she meaning unicorn, not nagato

[elfin hollow]

oh

[viscid swift]

yeah ignore your friend for AL advice

[elfin hollow]

darn.

[stark quiver]

cheeky whats the name context

[elfin hollow]

so,wat dd should i buy

[soft raft]

You should've gotten Hood.....

Nagato's niche af as a IJN faction buffer and the only IJN CVs that you'd actually considering using her to buff are powerful enough to not give a shit about her

[zenith heron]

don't think about that for now, since you have Laffey as your current best to efficient DD for this early in the game

[elfin hollow]

i replace eugen with laffey?

[viscid swift]

a partial quote from Marshal Lefebvre when Napoleon asked him to support a coup

[sweet delta]

buy Kazagumo and leave her in your dock. Shops refresh in 2 hours

[elfin hollow]

kazagumo ok

done

[sweet delta]

kazagumo is good for later, not for new player

[elfin hollow]

i have 43 medals left wat is the best thing

[stark quiver]

nothing

[main lily]

Is it possible for helena to miss all her skills? I cannot tell when they activated or not

[soft raft]

just hold onto them

[stark quiver]

rng based

[elfin hollow]

ok

[soft raft]

her Radar proc is 60% chance so yes there is a non-zero chance that she may not proc her skill at all

[main lily]

Its either im blind or im the unluckiest mf

[zinc cave]

no its just usual luck 🤝

[stark quiver]

can be both

[elfin hollow]

is hwah jah good here or should i replace her with anything? (ignore eugen)

[stark quiver]

nope

[zenith heron]

nah

[stark quiver]

also, use fleet from newbie guide

[elfin hollow]

which question does that answe

[soft raft]

both
well more like the first question

[elfin hollow]

no keep?

[viscid swift]

use Unicorn instead

[elfin hollow]

ok

[zenith heron]

you can keep, just not use it on your current fleet atm

[soft raft]

she's pretty dogshit pre-retro
but even after retro she's not really noteworthy for much

[main lily]

Does the current ex stage timer counts down from 5 mins or 4:57

[soft raft]

And like Alpha said, go recreate the fleet in the newbie guide

[elfin hollow]

i only have enterprise in that fleet in the guide lol

[elfin rampart]

sorry if this is annoying i know so many new ppl probably ask this 😭 but wats a good way to lvl my ships semi early on (if there is one)? i dumped all my xp packs into my main fleet cus im lazy nd now im kinda stuck in campaign bcs i dont have a 2nd fleet leveled every yt vid ive watched r farming lvls liek 9+ nd im on 6-3 rn

[stark quiver]

dont need 2nd fleet

[atomic abyss]

Grind campaign with your singular fleet

[soft raft]

You alreayd have Unicorn
and then go get Pennsylvania, Helena, and Portland in guild shop

[zenith heron]

its just grinding and dorm nothing else other than EXP books

[elfin rampart]

rly? i run out of ammo so i js assumed i cant

[viscid swift]

if you run out of ammo just means your fleet deals 50% less damage

[soft raft]

You dont need a 2nd fleet until at earliest W9
you can continue fighting at 0 ammo, you just have to deal with a damage debuff (which shouldnt be too much of a issue if you properly built your fleet)

[atomic abyss]

Funnily enough... Data suggests she's one of the top few for anti light...

[stark quiver]

ammo debuff is -50% damage
but lwk doesnt matter if you have overleveled fleet

[viscid swift]

they can still fight

[elfin rampart]

omggg ive been retreating every time LMFAOOO

[stark quiver]

lmao
ive done that too dw

[elfin rampart]

thank u

[atomic abyss]

I think she's like 3rd best for anti light? I forgot

[viscid swift]

what data

[zenith heron]

worry about that in really late in the campaign, but in this early its almost negligent, as long as your MAIN Fleet is good enough