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that's what makes her extra special. 9 flexible planes already makes her special
It makes it easier for other ships to hit the target by syncing launches to her slow
9?
3+3+3 is 9
they're being pendantic about flexible
kinda makes me thank myself for saving up cubes after YK2 event XD
well TBH i thought flexible means flex slots
so the same as nntktt approach
inb4 feb is a better stopper
Is Implacable next UR event?
she's the next UR rerun but we have a new UR before that
wait Implacable is the UR that's expected to be rerunning on late feb-early march?
end of month is always new event. since the beginning
we know what rerun is in feb and it's not UR
new UR event should be late feb into March
Implacable may rerun in March after that
yeah I looked around and there's a UR in late feb. My mistake of assuming it was implac instead XD
I just MLB Aquila, which one should I use on her flex slot?
Purple helldiver. SB2C Helldiver. If you're using her as a healer instead then the F6F Hellcat, assuming you're not using yk2 at the same time.
i can't tell what is your mob, assuming the one with perceus
uh oh, you are not an aquila unicorn enjoyer
Using Akaga in w14 isn't going to go well. You're lacking ASW too, by a lot.
The Upgraded one or wat? Cuz I could upgrade the other Helldiver to +6 cuz that's the best I could do rn
Upgraded one preferably. I don't know what you're doing atm, are you running Vitorio/Aquila/Yk2 or just Aquila/a vanguard to 1:1 or something else?
The first one, I'm doing the Hm event boss to level them up
If you want fleetbuilding help, start a thread and post your dock (all ships, sorted by main fleet and then vanguard, with real screenshots not pictures taken by a camera).
Upgrade the other purple helldiver to +6 and give it to Aquila then, upgrade it more as you get plates/coins.
Aight
what does this node of fu shun's retrofit mean?
it's the final one upper right and since it costs dirt cheap, I'm a bit skeptical (200 coins)
buying this node switches them to main fleet mode, where you can put them in the back instead of the front
It's useless. Turns the DDG into a mainfleet unit mode, where they are not great.
It's reversible, if you want to give it a try and see how much it sucks.
oh if that's so then I'm not gonna waste 200 coins for nothing 
wait where did that guy go? hopefully he wasn't offended by my message
I almost started investing on Fu shun and an shan. Thank god you brought it up XD
Fu Shun and An Shan are 100% worth retrofitting. It's only that last node which changes them to mainfleet for 200 coins that you don't want to do.
fu shun is really good, you just don't want to spend coins on her top right retrofit node
mvp every time with the event's missile gear and her class's signature aux
is an shan better than fu shun or are they relatively the same in terms of power?
An Shan is slightly better
any reason to keep sortie here?
is the exp good enough? my world still 8
Event hard stages are better than non-oilcap.
should've stopped at 48k
Better to push to w9 if you can.

The last node would allow me to use her missile right? Or top right just changes her to main fleet?
the last node in the middle, yes, it'll turn her torpedo slot into missile slot
the top right node just makes her sit with the CV and CVL at the back
Oh thanks for the help! I'll just push all the way to last middle node, and leave it at that ❤️❤️❤️
The last node is just a switch , but no one uses DDG as Main Fleet ships 
Hey guys, so I just got my first ultra rare bulin, and I assumed that would let me limit break nea jersey, but it seems that isn't the case. Do I need a duplicate of nj?
Yes do 15 a day bcs the rewards are pretty good for 375 oil (without subs)
With subs I dont think it worth it because the cost balloons up to 615 oil, even using a 1:1 comp that isn't super low-oil and can consistently clear hard
Otherwise if you don't want it then just stop there and continue to play Campaign until you get to the juicy w11 and w12 farming spots
is your NJ at the level mininum for LB1?
you... can? Try leveling NJ up a bit to lvl 10, then 30 and lastly 70 to LB them
Your first copy might’ve been autolocked.
That said, generally recommended to wait until you have all 4 bulins to LB a UR.
I last did w14 several months back and am finally looking at w15. Above is my w14 mob fleet, I think my w14 boss fleet was different but I just wanted to check if this looks ok? I have pretty much every meta ship except implacable since I'm on little enty. I also wanted to know if there's any special strategies I should know about
it is also notable to not use the ur bulin on nj 
My NJ is level 93
then is your UR Bullin locked or somethin
15 plus the tickets too?
tbh i could do get more yellow eva BP thing
That's probably it actually
tho honestly either way I'd hold off on limit breaking a UR until you can MLB her in one go
IE hold off on NJ for now
It's extremely likely that the end of Feb will be another UR event and I wouldnt be surprised if it's gonna be way higher priority than NJ
ticket is good too so do ticket as well. don't farm event without ticket though, not worth your oil
yeah these fleets are kinda meme for w15
Alright I'll do that then, thanks a bunch. And yeah forgot to unlock it.
ok, I thought mob would be ok at least, what's particularly meme about them? I could do a dock screenshot dump but I think that's probably unnecessary, so do you have any suggestions on what a standard w15 fleet would look like?
You have 1% of the AA you'll need and no healers. (Unless that purple hair is Unicorn in fleet 1?)
unicorn isn't a healer? how many should I have?
mob vanguard is guam laffey shimanto
the bis
now u can use z52 too
back line the cheat code musasi aquila with uni
I didn't recognize that Uni picture, but you'll need more anyways.
any 2 healers with musasi and z52 is very safe
z52 for which of the vanguards would be best?
laff2 most likely
although i think her AA capabilities aren't on par u can try swapping simanto or laff in 15-1 and see how it goes
15-1 is extremely easy
and is there anything special I should do with the boss fleet? It's pretty random atm since I kept swapping units, BB or CV focused better?
the strat goes as go to the super cv fleet first
I assume cv for more air superiority
W15 is different. Both fleets will fight a boss.
you want 4 cv/ls
what i used:
mob fleet: musashi aquila unikai guam shimanto laff-ii
boss fleet: alsace enty yk2n brest jda sandy
alternatives for those fleets: biszwei or soyuz w/ volga for mob fleet
anchorage over jda
sub fleet is fine
rumey, nakhimov, and a lusty class cv here; give them 6 flapjacks, skyrockets and/or purple focke-wulfs (all in gear lab). load them up with avi stats since that will help with aa power
strategy: just clear all mobs until you clear bosses for 15-1 and 2
starting in 15-3 has 2 boss nodes, and 3 boss nodes in 15-4. fleet matters when fighting them since if you fight one boss node with boss fleet, they get debuffed hard if they are going to beat 2nd, 3rd boss nodes as well. so order matters:
15-3: mob then boss
15-4: boss, then mob (take ammo if needed), then lastly boss
enjoy the suffering
i'll just assume you have everything lil e has access to because of the biszwei on boss fleet 👴
he said he has everything but aquila and impla 
yep only thing I'm missing still in that list is aquila but I have everything else, ty for the help all I'll give it a shot
i didn't read anything else on the comment that implied no aquila 
implac is easy since her role relegated to flyswatting enemy planes
yeah I forgot she existed lmao
mb, its fine. its on me for not understanding much of your situation
w15 is insanely powercrept that a player with 130 day old account could beat it 
I'll just sub another healer it's np, is there a particular reason why I'd use a lusty class CV for support?
I have all of them I just haven't built them yet specifically
u want as many fighter planes for AA
6-0-2 plane complement; 6 fighters and 2 tbs
generally you want cv/ls that can field 4 or more fighters with 1/2 plane gear slots
CN people has another strategy for musashi unikai zuihou/aquila, guam eld z52, soy/alsace independance york2 laffey shima/unzen kron. chinese + rumey for support fleet.
id be cautious if i were you, shilling around CN stuff without verifying proof it legit 
I don't see much wrong with that setup
video
the only real difference is they listed up Zuihou as an alternative to Aquila, which is legit
15-4 lethal.
boss fleet could use more AA but I can see it working
the core premise is the same as current reccs we have for 15
i think i tested that fleet by recommending to another person just 2 days ago, he maded it full clear 15-3, which was surprising to me.
but that person has top notch cat and pretty high fleet tech
I mean it's fine being critical of people posting CN stuff but it's more of knowing what you're looking at
then share it, dispel my doubt. can't read much moonrunes
what do you even think is wrong in that setup
like compare with stuff in /w15 and legit tell me what your concern is
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1KfFse6EoN/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archive.click this one is aquila only, zuihou was alternative
nothing, aside from the CN label lol. does look nice to look at the proof that it works, though
there's nothing wrong with CN stuff, they don't have a different endgame from us
this person has top notch cat + full fleet tech though
like if you think there's something sus about the setup sure but don't just doubt it because CN
like I said the only real difference is they have Zuihou listed as an Aquila alt, and the boss fleet looks more offensively built
oh they do? what is that?
unexpected kron
the person who made the video didn't show the gear on the ships right
?
they don't have a different endgame
he did, in his first comment below the video
oh im sorry, my en bloodline is activating its effect
the only real difference is CN has lower XP reqs for 1-100 for non rainbow and can lv100 0LB, but when it comes to pushing late chapter it's the exact same shit as JP/EN
yep
just the mob fleet tho
but he also said equip choice is flexible
wow bf109g
that's a lot of rainbow AA guns, guess I better craft at least one more 
why is he using a rudder on musasi
?
to not die
1 is enough
that's just 3 rainbow AAs 
I mean some of the choices are a but sus but, it's nothing crazy
well it technically doesn't hurt to craft some more, just in case
sus but generally understandable
more than enough 
is there follow up video, i wanna watch the boss more than mob
I think I have 2 right now and a lot of the rainbow wildcard bps
like you can justify the gear choice
yep
you might wanna wait a bit, we have another UR AA gun being added on February 20th
ty for the heads up, I didn't read the gear lab update last patch or w/e lol
+avi stat and is a better roomba omegapoggers 
boss is just one fight, with sub should be generally okay with york2+independance. i would switch one of them to laffey2 tbh.
its second boss too, so its like 2 light armour i believe
ah so it's supermob. i guess kron makes more sense then
actually CN is more like using zuihou to replace uni if using 3x dd setup, but this guy thinks "no reason to kick guam out so uni stays", i think all major CN guide makers think aquila is the most important healer
yeah zuihou heals DD better doesn't she
why did he reset in 10:50
?
i didn't watch the whole thing, lemme watch and get back to you
i think he was testing ammo vs no ammo though
no, he was literally testing 20 times on no ammo 3 star cv
but this is 15-4 
between breguel and tbm avenger, which one should I buy first?
musashi lost like 1/6 of her hp here
deepfried video tho
TBM ASW plane? you can get that from the gear lab
breguets unironically lol, they're good
the last 5mins are resets lol
i didn't know that the asw plane was in the gear lab 
need more context 
CN likes healmode aquila for late campaign, it's why 2 Aquilas are a thing
whats cooking gph
deez
it doesn't say here so I'm trying to buy stuff that aren't available in gear lab first before blackburn 
he resets like every 1:50 minutes to test survivalbility on 3 star cv node
https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1024559977442836487?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
another guide maker's setup for comparison btw
oh that one lol, can just ignore that
honestly if you look at the setups they're really not so different from the things we do in /w15
feel like this is gonna be a hard sell around here 
+13 hellcats 
yeah.. might be
thats kinda tough tho 
most likely he made them before pancakes 
i can see the reasoning but i find it hard to beat the reasoning of using either the skyrocket or purple fw otherwise
but 2x1000 bombers already existed when they added gold plates
Hellcat is definitely an AA choice
so i read that person's guide, he was saying after calculation, +13 hellcats are doing better than +10 pancakes
yeah their theory is kinda weird: upgrade them to f7f to recycle gold plates 
yeah he's not wrong there haha
also, hellcat can be evolved to recycle gold plates too, so no need to waste gold plates XD
Hellcat is an AA choice
(FKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK I have like 2 +13 flapjacks)
flapjacks are fine
too low. make more +13 flapjacks
but do you have a +13 sg radar
fmp 
like seriously when you look closer at the numbers you realize why they made those choices and how they really don't make as much difference as you might think
yes the alternative is super friendly. cheaper than what is usually recommended here too
I recommend messerschimitt all the time as poverty for 15 support
CN made some plane AA tests and the result is:
total rld < 151, me 155
total rld between 151 and 181, hellcat
total rld between 181 and 220, flapjack
total rld > 220, fw190
+13 hellcat being a thing cuz you can recycle gold plates, otherwise you follow the above value
and the difference is actually not significant, more about not needing to build flapjack just for support fleet
Me155 is a thing 
i scrapped mine
its aa is good but the lack of bombs makes it not valuable in pve recommendations compared to other gold fighters
I was clearing up my lethal 15-3 3-star 2 days ago, I just went uhhh focke wulf + flapjack for my support carriers
messerschimitt is shit in general but for the purpose of ch15 support where nothing except the AA matters it works without extra costs
what does the bf109 on aquilla do
rockets on surviving sidelines or repair ship
ig she can run a skyrocket in that comp and it wont make a diff
or any fighter really 
his own words: "i even gave aquila a bf109 to speed up the fight, altho the effect is small"
oh right yes BFG is also fast
using maxed tech and strong cats will make the gear choices not having much of an effect 
i used everything just because i could. me, sky, focker, flap, pirate
cn using so many bearcats right now...
What about Seafire Mk47? Much higher AA DPS than Me155 and similar intercept rld
Is basically Hellcat but with T0 guns instead of T3, also can recycle plates
seeing the numbers i think it has better reload and lower flight speed 
not that big though
Show the tests, did they test only one fleet on max rld to set an arbitrary cutoff? What you said last time about 2 vs 3 shots per wave also made no sense
so i took a look at the post that specific cn person did, not the one that i generally follow, but he didn't show the test, only posted the result, which is typically the case for that person.
im pretty sure this is the post of what dfgqsb is talking about https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1024381203693699109?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
if i wanted to maximize my chance for purple character per war archive... i should fight all enemies right? not do auto-run (5 mobs, 1 boss)?
i wouldn't bother, but make sure to just use HECLP
HECLP?
Just call it Help
no
then he would ask, HELP?
lol
The boss fight has the best chances, so doing more boss fights is good.
it works everywhere, war archive is the best place to use it
no
it doesnt work on campaign hard mode
Campaign Hard: no
Event/WA Hard: yes
ok i thought you mean hard stage on WA
~~you get double anyway
~~
https://t.bilibili.com/1024162065882808344?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
this is the guy made the tests and his post
Nice's link contains a better organized conclusion posted by 玄虚小圣
the math seems to be something like eyeballs say 3 strike doesn't happen 
and even 2 can be unreliable

What? Why are they considering 2 vs 3 hits vs a wave of planes, when the game throws a constant stream of planes at you?
Hitting each wave 3, 1, 3, 1 times is the same as 2, 2, 2, 2 times. And everything is staggered so don't say that 3, 1 has a better chance to kill planes
0.83s also seems like an arbitrary cutoff when 0.82 already quite consistently acts the same way as 0.83. It's only 0.80 and somewhat 0.81 that are random enough to matter
hey guys, i'm new then just wanna ask about my Nelson skill .-. sometime after shooting her volley, she also shooting 3 wave of volley look alike her main gun but without skin .-. i dont know what is it, and how this was triggered
she had retrofit
that's her barrage probably
sounds like her barrage
cuz iirc gear skins dont apply to barrage projectiles
It's big seven with seven shells
i thought her barrage is the blade fly all over the screen ?
retrofit also changes her barrage to work differently depending on how many enemies are on screen
blades?
since when?
the fan pattern prolly
like this
this
(sorry for ping)
her barrage changes with retrofit
yeah thanks i understand :v
i hate you! don't ping me!!! (jk)
:<<< sr i just wanna reply
iirc the trigger is 3+ enemies for the wide barrage, let me check that
oh, where can i check those barrage inf
anyone have fleet recommendations for world 15?
do /w15 in #bot-spam with the slash in the same direction
/w15 is correct
This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15
Since the bug report bot was broken for a month, should the lost reports be resubmitted now?
it was broken for a month?
it wasnt
but sure

Seeing how there's empty spot in some pr, will they fill those missing place soon?
nope
incredibly unlikely to impossible because its just a placeholder cuz the seasons have less ships
devs already went over this, it's just filler, and there are no plans to fill it 
this question use to be incredibly common
I see that's sad
only the first and second series have 6 ships
the rest have 5
it would be weird to go back to an old season lol
cos you'd have to change the pools
and given spaghetti code well
sad
Just hide the empty spot ffs
Yongshi loves making placeholders so they don't have to do more work in the future 
My friend scammed me saying it goes to 8
If they need it again don't hide placeholder that season 
so easy la, just do it 4head
either way I'm fine with the lazy appraoch on future proofing
can't really complain unless you want to apply to Yongshi if it bothers you that much 
Does helcp apply per battle or per stage? (Which is usually 6 battles)
Per stage
It's HELP or HECLP if you insist but high efficiency clap sounds bad to me so...
think of the HELP plans as doing two runs at once
If a character (LB 0) is at lv 70.. she doesn't get any exp from fights. so she cannot contribute to combat data collection for unlocking PR right?
contributes but don't do that...
no they'll contribute, it's just a massive waste
/prgrind
Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?
Yes
- Combat in Main Campaign, Events, Operation Siren
- Ships that are level capped for any reason, if the EXP otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
- Muse (µ) ships and loli ships, if the faction matches.
- Use faction filters in Dock to double check.
No
- EXP from Exercise, Dorm, EXP Data Packs, Commissions.
- META ships. They are META faction, not the faction of their normal counterparts.
Is it worth leveling my Yorktown II (MLB ofc) and replacing sara? This is my boss fleet
if it's for campaign sure, but after like world 13 you'll have to restructure
i just finished world 12
baby steps 
wdym by restructure?
changing ships out to better suit content
again you won't have to worry about it till 14 
oh i missread, idk why i read that for world 13 ill have to restructure
i was thinking on spam world 12 until my ships are close to 120
12-1/12-4 are the places to XP farm 
Yes. It's because of evasion's asymptotic behavior. Like how 1/x grows very fast as x -> 0 . It's the same deal with Chinawall especially because of their EVARate.
if you don't need gems it's valid to never leave 12
how to i farm gems?
3* chapters gives 250 gems
oh i thought there was a way to proc the gem comissions faster or smth like that
sure by farming 12 
Btw this timing commissions happened when you spend some amount of oil or it's depends on number of chapters did?
I'm about this
its rng
It's random
Thx
idk, I agree but want to say that they happened more often when I play game and almost never when ignore al for whole day. so something depends
that's a random com from sortie, the only guaranteed urgent coms are the night ones 
ok, then I repeat my first question in another way: if I'm doing chapter w2-4 with minimum oil team 100 times or 10 times w12-4 chance to get this will be the same? rnd?
it shouldn't have anything to do with oil spent but since the data is server side, cannot say for sure
there is no reason to spam 2-4
just run levelling fleets in 12-4 for fleet tech farming
just keep grinding with your usual fleets in 12-4
ok, more like depend on time by playing a game
there was the ol degen method of spamming stuff like 1-1 for coms 
we've already said plenty of times that this has nothing to do with time playing
yeah that's something what I heard, is it still useable?
theres 0 reason to use it
low world spamming for comms hasnt been a viable tactic for a long ass time
C1 spam is in a similar vain to it, but again it's just a time waste
Does any C5 works on spending AP?
ok, then waiting event. during this playtime they happened a lot or maybe I check it often and it's happened
what is "waiting event"?
during?
next event
no, you just play events a lot. maybe. or events tend to be cheap allowing you to play a lot.
I'm waiting next event
same. there is factor how often I check this commission. during event more often
no it isn't a waste of time
correct, it's an awful choice to spend your time 
basically slavery

Does pvp defending get exp?
nope
yes
Nice nice
Is 12-1 better to grind cog chips or shall I stick to 12-4?
iirc the average is the same, there's a chart in the pins you can check
If you are just gunning for chips and not worried about leveling bad ships, you do get a bit more by going on to w13 or 14. Those are a lot harder though, and thus not good for xp farming most of the time.
your choice
How does one get french AA weapons besides thru gear lab
if you mean the gold one that looks like a trash can, either PR2 gear selector from protocore shop (Not really reccomended) or PR2 researches (also not reccomended)
Where does one get those? I've never gotten one
medal shop
medal shop as show in the image
can someone post their helena meta maxed upgrade page please
the what?
what are you trying to do?
rigging fortification? do it all
my reload seems high compared to the fire power one
just do it all
that page is basically their equivalent of enhancement
32/53 
oh so it will always be 32/53
umm it says it in the ui actually 
oh well if you mean the +29 >> 32 then yea it does but the way this ui is setup makes me think i could bank a lot of fp components and only max the fp and 0 reload
hello, there new player, kinda overwhelmed with all the gear and rescources and gacha, anywhere i can read about it thats up to date ? :"D
giving that a read would be a good start
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
Welcome to the game!
perfect, tyvm :D
What type of aa gun would you need to use for ships with low AA
Lastly what are the most import gear from gear lab
/gearlab
Whats Helena meta good for ?
tech fodder
If the ship has low AA stat and efficiency, you want an accelerator gun -- something as fast as possible. Ideally the rainbow one, but others can work too. Because of the way AA is averaged, putting a fast gun on the low-AA ship is effectively making your high-AA ship shoot faster.
A specific meta fight
can't they just put a roomba on low AA ship?
well, aa absolute cd is 0.8 something anyway so range should be good too no?
3 range isn’t that much for better rld time
How can I get from lvl 56 to 60
grind grind grind
Do your highest campaign stage
Aight
According to the wiki it's 0.8667s, but it's actually 0.25 rounded to the next 30 Hz frame, plus 0.5 plus the whatever the average reload time is usually rounded to the next 10 Hz frame (minus the reload time again if you only want to know absolute CD) but then that seems a bit complicated to be put on a wiki page for casual gamers hence 0.8667s
casual gamers 
should i scrap these or are the torps in R&D worth something?
oops heres the picture
Should i buy type 1 or super heavy shell?
Yes.
Assuming you have none of either.
Iirc, the blue torp is a decent option for ships that just want to fire their torps as much as possible to trigger a skill, such as Anchorage.
don't get trolled by the +13 on the wyvern
it is something u might want to do after 2 years of gaming 
maybe there is few option when you want to have fire-control instead of heavy shell but type 1 definitely want to have
about Navi mode, whenever you get to pick perma buffs you can reroll them, is there any downsides to rerolling? dont see any
best opsi team build to include as much cross fleet?
well if your fleet is strong enough, good cats + good fleet tech + oathed, sure. 1 mob, 1 boss, the other two can be just main crossfleets
yeah i'm thinking of doing that, but not sure which ones would be the best
sushi for sure if shes not already in 1 of your fleets
yeah have musashi
alsace and soyuz too
these are my current teams
kron and indep for buffs
oh u missed amagi?
i have her, just haven't really switched teams in so long for opsi
i have everything except pr7 is still dev 20-25
independance replace fdg, z52 replace brest/azuma. if you dont have luna bearn meta, then independance goes to mob and rumey takes over fdg then.
oh yeah fritz cross is pretty good
so something like this currently?
no real issue with mob fleet just want to maximize cross while still having boss capabilitiy with at least one
Get rid of Shinano for independence then Musashi where independence was
yeah not sure why indep in the bb fleet
his bb team is musashi bismark vanguard right? the third fleet is just there for crossfleet and clean up, so thats why i put independance there if he dont need inde for mob
cause i ASSUMED he is using his second and fourth fleet to clear boss, so shinano amagi implacable works...
Anyways even a cross fleet fleet can 2 or 1 shot hard arbiter, right 
Do u guys think sushi will rerun before she’s perma
(should be able to clean up after that 2nd fleet tbh)
Didn’t sushi already rerun
Ya and I missed it 😭
probably will be perm end of this year? maybe?
Probably to permanent then
Well I’m ok with blowing everything up to make new teams to maximze cross fleet
welp definitely get rid of that fdg and haku for sure
Yeah that’s why it became amagi. Or is cross fleet not good enough ?
should be, if you very confident, swap shinano too
not very confident, keep her there.
Ok let me change it around some then
Doesn’t shimano have cross fleet as well?
so like this?
just to maximize boost for mob fleet
Memes I'm assuming, lmao
ya know that's just dumb
since doesn't feel like opsi any difficult
just make sure you adjust that frontline, its everywhere. i think it works. at this point it will not be a big different tbh.
Well, tbh, OpSi doesn't feel THAT hard, even hard Arbiter if you have 2 non-meme teams
it's a waste of time, but have fun 
Wouldn't indep make more sense in a mob fleet which would make space for a UR cv fleet
yes 
a lot of cross fleet buffs are somewhat inconsequential as well, and a lot of the barrages are hit or miss, and don't amount to much damage either 
Also wouldn't Musashi want to go into a middle slot to hit with her sword more reliably?
ya, but also Plymouth is doing fuck all in a CV fleet too 
Kron is also doing jack shit in a BB fleet
Wait, why is Kron in the BB fleet?
the positioning i didn't really account for, just wanted to get a ship list 1st
If you want to use Kron then you probably want her specifically out of BB fleets to utilize her crossfleet buff
fleets like those make a newer player's random fleet look better 
Crossfleet attacks aren't a bad thing, but I haven't really noticed them doing that much unless I was mobbing with ships that I due to laziness didn't put guns on
most mob fights should end before crossfleet barrages even activate
idk about that 
more cohesion than above 
What's good to +8
can confirm they do 
i spent time leveling crossfleet skills and arranging them to not even see it in mob fights 

really though sometimes you just have people stacking pre-load and wondering why the fight doesn't end faster
What's February arbiter
strength
Oh yuck
for the spring fashion fiesta EX boss, what armor type is she?
medium?
How much cubes could you get in a month through non-random means?
I know there was a calc for that somewhere, but don't know where exactly and it's not pinned either
168 minimum
Ahh, I'm safe for the next UR event then, thanks!
Unless between end of this event and UR event there will be Soviet event...
If I buy secrets do I have them permanently?
What happens if I delete the asset?
Are the secrets gone then?
Is there any other menü point where I can access the secrets?
Yes, she's medium.
Swords are given to DDs who like firepower, right?
Of the recent™️ DDs that have been released, who are they?
Z52
Z9
Z11
Vampire META
Chang Feng Fu Po
vamp firepower 
alr
Next event is that one, fr?
if these are my current boss fleets should i add a 3rd one with rumey or drop anyone for her?
i haven’t updated my fleets in a long time so
Wouldn't you want at least a single BB focused fleet?
Yeah fr fr BBs have the best cross fleets
They honestly look fine
yeah i do already, its musashi/soyuz/bisko2 since my alsace is tied up in pvp
Like, wouldn't you be screwed over if you'd get a boss node that just nukes carrier damage?
i don’t even use it tho 
Use PvP fleet in ops as mob, lwk goated comp
my mob is just indep/uvh/unicorn its been the same since uvh dropped
With 200+ adapts most if not all things in ops is ez
carriers can nuke all bosses given enough gear, tech, and cats
If it works, then it’s fine
and yes my carriers basically can nuke everything so i literally don’t use bbs
i’m just looking for somewhere i can use rumey in. i’m going to try using z52 too
Next ur event should be this month?
Endish of feb according to past event runs
I guess nowhere for rumey unless you want a dedicated medium bossing fleet
Z52 might be able to replace eld
Isn't it still january?
i was thinking maybe replace guam but idk. the aa doesn’t look that good there
Replacing Guam means you won’t fill yk2s 3 USs req
anyone?
o yea she has uss req i forgot, then might as well not replace anything
eldridge is the safety net for tanking on low adapts for that fleet anyways
Yes,no,no
you keep them permanently if you buy them
Would this fleet even be viable?
For what
deleting asset I think just make you having to download it again if you wanna play it
World 14
Probably
Is it good? Eh
Remove the 4 star Unzen and it's ok
Well I mean, assume everyone is maxed out
Thing is I'm not even sure Unzen is worth the resources
w14 biossing sure
Also want to use for EX bosses
Here is the current boss fleet I'm rocking with
I feel like Seattle is my weakest link
you might need a healer on your mob fleet
I got healers dw
faction fleeter 
I'm grinding for US DD
Halford
Also yes I am the unlucky schmuck you missed Laffey II TWICE
so this fleet is fine, other than non mlb unzen
one below it is alright
you can ditch perseus for another cv ngl
Ditch Percy?! Really?!
yeh
Unicorn does enough healing by herself
It's her double preload I'm using
dont rly need it
triple load leads to all damage being wasted on early non-lethal enemies
~~But I use uni pers on lethal without bigger problems ~~
Does Independence-Musashi-Enterprise work as a mob fleet?
for what?
W11
Not for anything hard
yea
Do you have something against healers?
Thanks
I need to farm exp
12-1 is a real thing
and what kind of xp is that supposed to farm?
musashi isn't uss
I dont have another 3rd USS ship thats why Musashi
that seems unlikely
the way you're farming exp are kinda inefficient
try using 3 USS backline
is unicorn USS?
no
Sarotaga?
pick ships with good tech, or will be used a lot
sort by fraction i think its very helpful ❤️
definitely divides up the ships

instead of anti-healer i wonder why anti-12?
anti 12?
yes why 11-1
because i have not reached W12 yet and was thinking its about time i build a mob fleet
150 dock space...
where all your gems go
do what you have to do
I have just been using this team for all contents
lmao, lucksacking on UR events to barely have any other ships
holy rainbow spam
they've actively culled everything for months now
oh so thats where all the gems went
oh is this that guy
Wait, they were throwing out ships?

why do you still have 150 dock
oh god, that's even worse than I thought...
this is where theyre going i assume
i will use 2k for dock space soon
dev 28 rn soon MLB or should i use her as tank rn
she can tank at d25
Your fleet is overkill for W12 as is, of course if you have any gear for them
yep
booking agir is extremely counterproductive
he has 2 shinano skins even -120 dockspace
I've got a brain aneurysm
well if youre a whale then thats cool
if youre not, then, kinda a setback for your account
Anything wrong with getting 2 skins??
no not really
if their goal is to have fun enjoying the main focus of the game i dont see why not
You can use only 1 at a time and you barely have any dock space forcing you to throw out ships.
I heavily doubt you 120ed them before throwing them out
just that, as a f2p, if u wanna like maximize gameplay meta stuff, then dock is better,
if u like skin, then yea get em if u dont mind abt above
at worst you just create profile on a different server to collect more ships since theyre all the same speed
Bonus is that you can log in to two servers on two devices. Admire your skins, one Shinano for each eye
what ab my third shinano skin
Whom should i build or should i save bulins for Next UR
id say save
ok
How bad is it to miss reload on this ?
Not bad
How do I get the last files for these 2. And I have every other file but it still says 146/157 where are the other files?
pretty sure those are in the Ops Voucher Shop 
Which are the good ships in these pictures?
unicorn, hood ,laffey,helena, fushun retro, prob ganji cuz well shes 115 mlb
ark prinz
How about this one, Is she any good?
Oh alright then, Thank you
I wish there was something where to use all the meh ships, kind of sad that so many ships will be permanently on a bench once you get few good ships
you dont need to use good ships
i saw that
it's probably true. acquire for pr cdc not the same as use
Well, I wasn't even asking to use bad ships, just meh strategy of utilizing best solo faction backline for a fleet or 2 in OpSi and I was trashed for that in another server
that sounds pretty bad
maybe you'll find yourself someone willing to help. if there even is a question
Well, I asked how I could make a fleet or 2 with most Soviet SR backline ships, and, uhh
Maybe another day when I finish Nakhimov to make it, uhh, not as bad
what server was it
Tierlist one
just run soyuz,nakhimov,chaklov
what do you mean how? take 6 or even 9 and make 3
Well, I'll probably run Volga instead of Soyuz and put Soyuz in a BB fleet
wifu, either way, with good enough gear and proper vanguard I think it was capable of oneshotting hard arbiter as is
am i interpreting the question wrong
Just because Volga is a carrier to go in a carrier fleet and put Soyuz in a UR BB fleet so that I'd have ships I like in that fleet
whats the special ending in navi's game
Out of helena, kaza and z52, who is the worst for cv fleet
guys the kms subs uses mark bidder 20 right, but how do i get the torp prior to crafting it
sub raid
sub raid lvl 65
im cooked
took me a few months to get a full set
do you know what you are supposed to do?
its lvl 65
when the shop refreshes in 2 days will it just refill this blueprint to 50/50 or have a chance to be rolled out of the next shop refresh?
it will stay at 12/50 for the rest of time
UR gear does not refresh
ok cool
When was hindy gun added to the shop
Wish they refresh at anniversary, it will give a purpose to buying the event blueprints
will characters at capped xp still contriibute to "exp gained with x faction" for shipyard? agir as example needs like 2m exp from kms fleet
Well, once you'll reliably have projects going and clear OpSi, you won't really have a problem with gear, unless you want BiS gear for most of your ships
Don't use subs. Use tempesta sailing subs. Royal fortune alone can solo the hardest daily, using more than one will just make it silly levels of easy. So Amity, Mary Celeste, Royal fortune and then Whydah etc in purples. Hopefully you have some to pick from (and gear)
which one is worth getting in the core shop?
Neither

/coredata
how about the f4u
nope
i need another good fighter plane
hellcat gold
make a flapjack
damn
is this plane good?
don't go crafting something then ask if it's good you're just wasting depot space, and coin for crafting
good for heavy bombing

The effect of the gold repair and the purple stack?
The boily chef
yes does stack
they are different effect, so they work together
When this event started
I just got shimakaze, should i max limit break?
no
rly depends on what you have, low prio
Anshan is almost full retrofit
Did you have like a question?
Also what the hell is that fleet
Idk just doing stupid shit
I was asking if i should mlb shimakaze, i just got it
DDG has basically zero connection to whether you should MLB Shimakaze or not
What other URs and how many UR Bullins do you even have anyways?
is shinano ok to use if i only have one copy of her
no
she's still currently lb1, i just got her
if shes not MLB shes shite
damn
And how many UR Bullins do you have?
And i have 3 more mk3 bulins
Hold off for now
Esp since extremely likely to have a new UR in Feb
And Implacable rerun may or may not be very soon after that
Who should I replace with Fu Shun?
no one. consider making 2nd fleet instead
Oh alright, Who should I put in the second fleet then?
💀 ark royal, and no one else. get more ships first i guess, keep it in view
nelson independence enterprise tank fu shun retro someone
your unicorn isnt even retro yet, forget fu shun
nelson guild shop, indep core data shop, enty newcomer mission or somewhere else, tank probably portland for now and work towards anchorage
oh he has like no retros dont worry 2nd fleet unless you're somehow in like w11
I'm trying to retro Laffey right now and I'm stuck at w6 since i need to be level 50 for w7
I'll try to retrofit her then
shinano or new jersey? both are equal in waifu but is one better than the other?
shinano is better

shinano until mlb
hmmmm still no gearlab update?
feb 20
Have they said what’s gonna be added yet?
yes
Gear Lab Update:
Following existing equipment will be added to the gear lab:
Nakajima J5N Tenrai (Dive Bomber Prototype)
Triple 305mm (SK C/39 Prototype)
Triple 406mm (Model 1940 Prototype)
Twin 90mm AA (Model 1939 Prototype)
Nakajima C6N Saiun (Model 21 Prototype)
Messerschmitt Bf 109G (Carrier-based Prototype)
Following new equipment will be added to the gear lab:
UR Twin 76mm AA (MK 37 Mount)
SSR Fighter FW-190 G-3/R1 (Carrier-based Prototype)
SSR Fairey Gannet
A Sardegnia Empire Tech Tree will be added:
Elite Single 65mm AA (Model 1939)
Elite Twin 20mm Breda
Rare Twin 13.2mm Breda
Rare Triple 305mm (Model 1909)
Rare Twin 381mm (Model 1914)
hmmm tenrai, we still don't know the cradting recipe or someone have any assumptions?
What’s the chance the new UR AA is better than the current one?
Its gotta be better than the gold version
i hope it's not better than 57mm at AA
would it really matter
+20 HIT AA trust
did they mention anything about italian tech box similar to the french one
I do not know sry


how should i gear submarines?
If you have one of the 2 recommended sub fleets
Bidder torps (gear lab), oxygen snorkel + pressure hull (both core shop)
Gun any spare gold gun
im using the recommended archerfish flasher albacore team
Then as above
Lacking bidder torps, use the G7E torps
okk tysm:)
so all of them are equipped with the same gear right
is the Improved Storage Battery necessary for maps?
Never, you can move subs to be in range of a certain enemy if needed
oh okok ty
i need to wait another 2 months to get 3 snorkels and pressure hulls right? r there any other places to get them...?
Use gold or rainbow oxytorp while waiting
okk ty:)
bidder torps and G7E torps are used over 95 kai because they are homing right?
How much does 10 pr+ dr cost
is it ever worth is to lvl125 subs and if so where shld i grind levels on subs, thanks
current event is good to farm affinity
usually its more worth to xpbook your subs than to level them normally
also enable calling subs automatically in opsi, i have mine set at 2 AP, it just very slowly levels them
as in the daily discounted 10 prints of each? 3k + 7.2k
considering you only ever need 3 subs it's probably decently worth it
since im in tw server, just want to ask if the current event is still the chien wu one?
ok tyty
do collab chara give stat bonus at 120?
Agir and ply don't have fate sims?
U can keep extra bps incase they do add fate
do u mind explaining what 2 ap means and why u set it at 2 ap, ty
AP is just the opsi oil
2 is probably a random number he came up with
mine is set at 0
@wanton dawn
also did no one seriously check gph for over an hour 
How does the auto search work on 15-4?
Is this gud to use?
no but better than nothing
Oh is the data analysed the debuff that stops you from fighting the boss with the same fleet, so I don't need to worry about it?
I mean I've 3 starred it already on auto+lethal so I think it should be fine, was just more worried about those sepcial formations and the debuff so
its dead
i more meant that it needs to be stronger than when clearing
Why's that?

cause it fights three bosses now
its better if you experience it firsthand tbh
Tbh when I 3 starred it I had 1 fleet do 2 bosses and every single mob node, and accdientally did the last boss on 0 ammo because I forgot it only gave 3 and not 5
around this hour is the dead hours, EU, EN and CN are working hours or a bit too late, so mostly of vets are busy with something
and for me and EN in Miami hours, are probally sleeping
vets are all dead
ah okok tyty
what is the diff between a dev lvl 29 ship and lvl 30 ship? do the stats increase significantly?
Okay so I could 1 fleet the whole thing but they only did the boss fleet with an A because of time, can HoustonII still drop even with A or not?
sometimes yes sometimes no
d30 is the equi of mlb and max enhanced ship
how shld i increase my score
significantly lower chances because A doesnt guarantee you a ship drop unlike S
icic, do u mind if i ask abt hakuryuu
Who should be command cat?
use ships of a specific dmg type and activate modifiers you dont care about
on non existent tech theres not a big difference between d25+ haku and d30 haku but you should still aim to d30 because its a dmg boost nontheless and only d30/mlb ships have access to tech bonuses which scale more
ohhh icic tysm:)
can i assume that lvl 25+ plymouth is also similar to lvl 30...?
no unlike haku plymouth gets a large bonus to her pers dps at d30 compared to d25 because of the additional mgm
what is mgm
main gun mount
ohhhh icic ty
what are ships that work similarly at lvl25? since level 25 to 30 takes quite some time.... idt ive heard or seen guides related to this....?
Should I equip this on Aquila or nah?
tanks like anchorage and CBs
ah got it tyty
Unless you are for some reason using aquila for bosses, no
I'm just leveling her up
Helldiver
Skyraider will only slow her down and overkill on mobs
I'm doing the hm event boss to level her up, cuz I don't have w9 unlocked yet
Why boss specifically?
I'm doin this, because w7 is the best I can go rn
In that case, I guess go with skyraider
is it worth to do the event beyond golden plates at 38k?
there is gold plates atevent?
T4 plates, yes
you're looking at the wrong milestone
which one should i be looking at
ok i see it the last one lol im blind
yes but why did u show it here 
?
/cats
MEOWFFICER QUICK GUIDE
What are Meowfficers?
They are companions that you can add up to 2 per fleet (including sub fleets). They buff your fleets with their "skills" and "talents". There are 27 different types of them.
How do I get them?
You get them by opening Cat Boxes in the Cattery. The Cattery can be found under HQ > Cat Lodge. The first Cat Box you buy everyday is free. You can buy up to 14 more per day, with each costing 1500 Gold. It is strongly recommended you do NOT binge on them!
How do I level them?
Just like ships, they gain experience when sortied. They do not cost oil, however their exp gain is dependent on the oil spent by the fleet. They max out at level 30. You can also level them by feeding other meowfficers to them, at about 30% exp loss (20% bonus if identical). Additionally they can gain levels passively through Comf-Forts.
What are talents?
Talents buff a specific ship type or faction. They get 1-3 permanent talents, depending on rarity.. Every 5 levels they gain, they get a Cat Paw which can be used to roll new talents or raise the level of some talents. You can reroll any new talents once every 24h with gold (increases with number of talents).
What are skills?
Skills are unique to each type of Meowfficer. They usually give some stat buff or some perk to the fleet. They get 1 skill initially, and they can get up to 3 skills, each obtained by feeding duplicates (1 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd). The potency of the skills is dependent on their stats which increase through levels.
Do note that the skill stat buffs are mostly inferior to talent stat buffs.
Visit the AL Wiki Page on Meowfficers for more details.
Cat Guide by Riceist#3504 for detailed explanation of skills and talents.
lime command bisha staff
this skill says what the cat should be doing
if it doesn't specify any, then it doesn't matter where the cat is
@nimble knollhttps://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/cwen82/a_guide_to_meowfficers/
they have many nuances like bb and cv, staff and com and etc.
and perfect talents combination\reroll
get the link and save it somewhere in a bookmark
it is not important to know about cats now
if u are confident that u won't get overwhelmed with game knowledge u can consult the cat guides then 
there is no harm in getting them ready since all u do is breading them and hopping to get a good one , also if its bad just feed is to a random one so u can level up cats easier later on
btw if shorted explaining check Oscar, Bishimaru, Eagle and Steel at least
is this a good fighter? I have some gold Hellcats but I don't have a lot
It's decent
Basically all T3 fighters with 2x500lb bombs are the same
yes and its a decent use of your core data. but there are better priorities than that plane
this plane pretty much the best out of the 2x500 lb fighters players can have. the buff to AA it gives is alright ig
Do Chinese ships stay in light pool after the event or no
more that it has endgame use for timing
i don't think the pirate squad is that much of an upgrade over the hellcat to be worth the core data, maybe later on it's "ok" as a timing option/AA gimmick but it's certainly not as good as it was back in the day
Gold Corsair is an upgrade over the Hellcat, and you can use it for Sync'ing, but on the average you will not use this plane as a casual player 
Gear Lab truly killed the Gold Corsair
-# is Centaur Gud?
she alright these days
yes
but then there's the option of using better ships nowadays like ark royal, fs5 avp and the upcoming implac rerun. of them, ark is the most accessible
good for+1 avi i guess
Centaur isnt even used as a slower
Her slow is on the plane barrage if it hits
Albion is just better from the damage perspective
Is Tashkent gud to level up, cuz I still do have 110 sorties of doing the Hm Event boss (before I hit cmdr lvl 60)
Pretty good as far as DDs go
She is worse than the URs and the Chinese DD retrofits tho
Should I create a thread and post my ships, and what I should level up? Cuz most of what I'm using is Overleveled for w8 anyways 
how's Saint Louis holding up these days? Did she get a huge buff from her augment or smth?
sure, go ahead
These are the custom fight rewards
What's some ships good to lvl up in the mean time
For 12-4 should I put double db on amagi or fighter or rocket fighter
I’m just clearing it a bunch on safe for coins and combat xp
no rocket fighter
Why not? Just curious
no AA contribution (annoying!)
Aa isn’t rly a problem tho
then do whatever
Ok
<@&460646206851252224> obliterate this man
Hi , how do I enter FS?
aegir still does not have a fatesim as of today
screen looks different, and also you can search wiki on which ones have fs.
When you reach dev30, you’ll see a fingerprint scanner.
Before dev30, check wiki.
whens the estimated time for new UR? is it March?
late february-march
then may for CN anni
ok Ill come back for late feb-march, burn out 
27 feb
Either 20 or 27, I can wait totally
Is there a specific corruption level to farm for opsi?
c3 or c5 to dump leftover ap
5 appears to be the best for "rewards per AP", but if you have relatively weak fleets it may be easier to do c3 because then you won't stop to heal and can just let it run while it burns the thousand AP you've got stored up.
Is it worth to put the sky raider on Yk2, on Aquila?
What content would Aquila use skyraider 
from what i know, 3 and 5 are the same rewards/ap on average but 3 gets you more akashis so more in the end
more akashis by virtue of more runs, that is
double akashis probably
since it costs half the AP
yk2
aquila is only 2x120%
slightly more than double because you also loop more in the end.
true
also to truly minmax opsi save 200 ap in boxes for the reset if it's reasonable for you to be awake/playing azulen at the reset time and sit in opsi when it changes day.
you get 5 (6 if weekend day) extra free dailies, which might also drop a new hidden or abyssal (hence saving backup ap)
opsi wont reset until you leave opsi or game closed/crashed
On the last day of the month, I usually figure I shouldn't stop for Akashi, because if I do I won't be paying attention to buy stuff and tell it to keep going 🙂
Is the gold one gud to use on Portland?
just dont save spamming opsi to the last day, i begin c3 about 3 days prior, amping up in frequency each day
you can begin even sooner if you have less time to watch the game
as long as general monthly stuff is done and you arent c1 fanatic can begin even as soon as a week before and be fine just keep a small reserve for dailys, possible drops, and +200 ap if a stronghold is coming near the end

Since you seem new, keep the purple one. Either is fine as secondary but the purple one has 5 more FP bonus for her. And it is already enhanced anyway
Okei
You will eventually replace both later
purple better to be used on a ship with a main gun
always prioritize better guns for main gun slots
i will explain so that everyone will understand. your fleet need a lot of BOOOOOM 

is there an opsi siren armor guide?
Type /sirenstats in #bot-spam
abyssals and arbiters are in the wiki
u can also untag the automatic going into the fight to see the preparation screen info there
for the stronghold mini and bosses
From the tutorial to now I wasn't able to change my fleet how to change fleet
keep in mine you need to change fleet on chapter 2
go into any blue port then u can do this
sword
If I'm hilariously low on t3 red/yellow books is it worth it to use the blue books instead?
u mean skill level book?
Yes. There are a lot more red skills in the game than yellow, and somewhat more yellows than blues, so at some point if you want to keep your academy running you should just use some blue books to train red skills.
You can also crunch 2-hour books into 4-hour books and 4-hour books into 8-hour books, if it's just the 8-hour ones you are short on.
just fyi u can craft t3 book from t2 , and t2 from t1, also yes u can use other color book if u want
Also check the shops, sometimes you can spend coins to get books, etc. How useful this is will depend on whether you have extra currency for the shops, as books are a lower priority than some other things.
Was there another plane for vanguard that give ASW or I just high?
there are three other ones
tbm avenger from core data shop
there's a gold variant of that plane only obtainable in guam and laffey 2 event
Agir skin rerun will be in Nov or Dec right?
Can you send me the link?
Aren’t the asw planes on that image only for main fleet cvls? Excluding the heli
Nvm got it
How to evacuate from Arbiter
they are the main sources of ASW besides the Hedgehog yes
So I was high
There is a (gold) advanced sonar and hedgehog (if you want something other than vanguard planes)
Leaving normal Arbiter won't reset progress, but I don't seem to be able to leave.

There's a big exit button...

At worst, should show up again during the Black Friday sales, in Nov.
I gaslit myself into thinking there was a (Gold) ASW plane (For Vanguard)
is there a site/list for all unique augments available for each ship till date?
pretty sure there's a sort option for this in game
There is!
Boss fleet
I think this is the first time I seen a 18% stage
I'm getting overwhelmed by bomber boat
again
Use another bb other than nj
Someone who can equip 155 kai
This does increase ASW, but sadly does not give as much considering its not an anti sub weapon, but more of an additional stat auxiliary
The boss battle is fine
But the mob fleet getting pretty beat up
did you grab the flares....
why are u using light oriented comp against med armor 
All
ya don't touch flares, they just hinder you
just need the light house, and that's it
Yudachi have SAP and Kita have armor type ignore so
sandy should be middle, laff2 is way tankier
Okay why is this a thing?
no i meant for the boss comp
thats not a huge issue. twin137 is just as good as 155kai in ch14
like i did this with yami and nj is way better
You mean 127mm?
If I could recall on worlds 14-15, its better to face mobs that are 2-3* to at least face normal mobs when reaching 0 ammo, unless you are unlucky?
hell their fleet is full rainbows lol they should gigastomp that
no, 137mm
I have almost all 3 star enemy fleet
if my gold ass bbs did fine with this your nj is gonna stomp so theres no real need to replace her per se if shes getting the job done 
Boss is fine
well kita is very squishy im not sure why youre running a triple dd mob vanguard randomly
I on manual
this is comp dependent
they helped me
eh...
wait you're manualling and having this much issue?
Well Manual is a thing,
Plus even if its 14-1, just one of them getting past your anti sucide defense is like 1/4 hp already down....
Flares are useless unless it's manual play 
anyway flares is contentious, but they absolutely helped my mob fleet and didnt seem to either help nor hinder my boss fleet. Auto.
this is what we call a placebo
when i took flares on mob my next 3 battles were always easier than the others 
I took everything and I died
keep in mind i always went for the hardest (fog cover triple bb) nodes with flares
are you sure that flares isnt a nocebo for you?
pretty sure 