gameplay-help

[covert wind]

yo which DD gun is best for sandy kai with augment

[little tree]

Mog gun

[covert wind]

wait which gun to put on mog then :P

[little tree]

~~ bench mog~~

[white agate]

btw, i was thinking, woudn't it be useful in the wiki to have meta ships date of introduction?

[worldly pewter]

when do u want to use mogador and sandy in the same stage ?

[covert wind]

sad lol ok thanks

[boreal wagon]

they kind of do tho on the meta showdown and cruise pass page respectively
if u wanna know more than that i could chill my own page

[covert wind]

i havent been paying attention to the meta since like before yorktown 2 when i quit

[atomic abyss]

if you are using both at the same time
mog gun for mog, 100 kai for sandy

[forest palm]

wow no UR quint

[stark quiver]

not a fan of it

[forest palm]

[eternal moth]

She's in perma-pool in special.

[forest palm]

talking about the sea slug? cause like...she's only useful if you play manual, and even then it's not really worth using I-13 for

[pliant matrix]

I'm currently on the quest to fully limit break Ägir, i got her to Dev. lvl 30 and it shows full stars, yet the quest doesn't show it's complete, still stuck 5/6, any ideas?

[sweet delta]

Wait a day

[pliant matrix]

is it a bug or something else?

[sweet delta]

It seems like a bug and a lot of people get it

[pliant matrix]

glad to know i`m not the only one, thanks again, i'll keep you updated if anything changes tomorrow

[woven star]

Level of Agir?

[pliant matrix]

Lvl 125, Dev. Lvl 30

[woven star]

Ah OK nvm

[left cedar]

So i should use prinz heinrich for my first fleet?

[woven star]

I'll recommend Anchorage or Roon but for now solid choice from wat I saw you have

[ocean shuttle]

UR aircraft designs can only make wyverns, but spearfish are better. I guess I may as well still make wyverns for if I run out of spearfish??

[glass hull]

is duisburg worth investing for her AA?

[cobalt rapids]

spearfish arent better

[woven star]

Get San Diego

[atomic abyss]

her AA isnt remotely good

like if you wanted german AA ships, there are better options

[woven star]

SA solid ship and good if not best AA. And cheap to get

[ocean shuttle]

More DPS for all armor types though :s

[atomic abyss]

slightly better DPS at the cost of no interception

[rigid onyx]

wyvern interception is like .6 of a flapjack

[atomic abyss]

wyverns can intercept like fighters
in other words, they can AA without being in an airstrike

[ocean shuttle]

Fair, ty

[rigid onyx]

technically they're sidegrades but most people ik who've tested spearfish in plane hell worlds still prefer spearfish b/c wyvern intercept isn't great

[sweet delta]

Everyone I know who tested spearfish vs wyvern in w15 had the fleet healthier with wyvern

[cobalt rapids]

this dps doesnt mean anything because it takes into account the spearfish rld time which in the real world doesnt net you extra

[atomic abyss]

a way more expensive side grade...

[ocean shuttle]

I guess I could do with more AP BB guns instead of spearfish

[sweet delta]

two 457mms is enough

[ocean shuttle]

Why not 3?

[sweet delta]

where do you plan to use 3?

[ocean shuttle]

META/Harbiter

[cobalt rapids]

@rigid onyx wiki dps formula in simple terms is dmg/rld
so smth like 320/10 > 340/11
but in practice thats not true because they would usually launch the same number of airstrikes
and if it does make a difference then its only due to the extra salvo and not universally higher

[sweet delta]

these are 1/3 the cost to +13, and they're often or usually better than 457mm in meta/harbiter

[rigid onyx]

If you're making that argument you have to also realize that torps don't have 100% hitrate so spearfish pulls further ahead on paper calc discounting reload

[woven star]

Left gun from event

[sweet delta]

it's the least used one anyways

[cobalt rapids]

wyvern only needs to hit 3 torps to equal spearfish 3 torps + rockets on heavy
and u would use wyverns and spearfishes ( unless light ) on high density maps so their hitrate is not a problem

[woven star]

Sometime you (ppl here) talk about gear which some like me can't get. But yeah two others good

[rigid onyx]

75% hitrate parallel torps dont put wyvern equal to spearfish on burst dps

[cobalt rapids]

what burst dps are u referring to
they are like 1% within each other

on heavy like i said

which is where the high prio targets on a high density map like w14 is like

and for w15 spearfish may have higher dmg due to less heavy enemies but like tests shown the tradeoff of intercept doesnt make it better

[sweet delta]

people argue that spearfish rockets kill elites better or clean up top/bottom mobs, but i have yet to see it end a wave faster other than through reload difference

[keen sable]

so if clear times are equal then wyvern is immensely better?

[viscid swift]

I'm gonna wait for W16 before diving back into that

[forest palm]

only thing I've felt was useful from a Spearfish is the faster launches, and that's only a slight increase

[ocean shuttle]

What it Harbiter fight time again? Trying to work out sync stuff

[sweet delta]

Tested +10 wyvern vs +13 spearfish. Wyverns was healthier after the most damaging battles.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16W_BJHUqRtbSWV4ZyZJuEa8SvTrn0oTvzY9RPm2WHfM/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[cobalt rapids]

90s - 1.5s stage load time - 1.5s boss spawn time ( rld counts during this time )

[ocean shuttle]

<3

[sweet delta]

about 1.0s boss spawn time

it jus matters for weapons that can't reload while waiting for a target, like vanguard guns and BB preloads other than Alsace

[weary gust]

Doesn't stop DDs from wasting their preloads though

[ocean shuttle]

Triple 460 seems optimal then, for AP BB, unless I can get >4 shots out of 457mms

[keen sable]

so the conclusion is +13 the wyvern instead of the spearfish for even more awesomeness?

[atomic abyss]

nope

you can get get 4 with 457 easily
1 major benefit of the champagne guns is helena syncing

[keen sable]

good luck getting three

[atomic abyss]

also that, only 2 are obtainable thus far

[soft raft]

No
Twin 457 also doesnt work for bossing

Yes technically you can 4 shot with it since it has faster reload, but have fun syncing that with Helena (Hint: Not that consistent)

[sweet delta]

results may vary for other fleets, but I just took a standard fleet with standard gear, not cherry picked

[ocean shuttle]

30.59 base reload, after tech wouldn't that be safely 3 shots?

[rigid onyx]

are the fleets not healthier w/ spearfish wyvern

am i seeing something wrong

[atomic abyss]

no helena syncs

[forest palm]

you can 4 shot with an mle, although it requires high reload tech

[soft raft]

Helena debuff is 20s (16s for first time if with SG Radar)
and the debuff lasts for 10s

So Triple 460 would likely only fire at the very tail end of Helena debuff window

[atomic abyss]

16 not 18

triple 460 once equipped is like, 24-26s iirc

depending on rld tech

[viscid swift]

also with 457s against Harbiter you'd be looking to 5 shot not 4 shot

[atomic abyss]

your first salvo would be in helena window

your second and third wont

or at least, your second wont be fully covered

[cobalt rapids]

here is a musashi with 460 with a no sg helena

[tender girder]

how do you get eldrige's retrofit item?

[cobalt rapids]

event limited

[rigid onyx]

ngl it's looking like the spearfish hp spreadsheet where spearfish looks abysmal is just because the spearfish on aquilla ruins the desync, while spearfish on uni looks about the same as double wyvern

[soft raft]

Event limited
But it should rerun sometime later this year

Cuz yuudachi retro item ran at the same time as Musashi but reran a year prior to Musashi

[rigid onyx]

also if you gimp the on the rest of your vanguard isn't great so you end up making the relative impact of wyvern intercept better

[sweet delta]

Well feel free to test your own +10 spearfish and +10 wyverns on lethal with clearing mode off. If you use a fleet that's too strong, then there was no point in testing because someone with a strong fleet is winning either way

[rigid onyx]

i feel all that's tested there is that if you're using a vanguard with bad AA spearfish is a sidegrade

[dusty gulch]

If I have something like flame's aggression on a sub cat, is that gonna affect the whole fleet just while the subs are called out?

[tender girder]

is anyone in the medal shop (SS, DD) worth get for new players? I'm gonna get the cruise pass and i'll be able to pick two characters...

[rigid onyx]

are emulators tos

[errant pumice]

guys is a good moment to start this game now?

[night totem]

Is it worth it to craft the single 113mm dual purpose gun for z52?

[weary gust]

The only better time is before now.

[undone plover]

kazagumo and u96
kazagumo is worth
u96 less so
get u96 later in the month if u have spare medals left over

[keen sable]

yesterday was better but today is pretty good

[weary gust]

Emulators are fine so long as you don't use macros/break any rules with them.

[errant pumice]

there are a good pg on banners?

[weary gust]

Not particularly, which means you have time to get cubes for when there is a good banner, and you get gems from this event.

[turbid marsh]

dont need banner to progress XD

[keen sable]

game doesn't work that way. if you don't play, you can't pull

[soft raft]

What's a PG?
And no it's not really like that, more like today is a better day to start grinding resources for banners than tomorrow

[sweet delta]

Only affects the fleet that the cat is assigned to

[soft raft]

Namely URs
Which for the past 3 years we've had new ones come out in Feb, May, Sept, and Dec

And there are some that can rerun in-between

[keen sable]

ie there's no such thing as "whole" fleet

[cobalt rapids]

whats a good scenario u wanna test then ?

[dusty gulch]

Can someone explain to me how the support carriers for chapter 15 work? Do their abilities, support abilities, and equipment still work?

[soft raft]

only the passive intercept on their fighters

[sweet delta]

/wiki user:suchiguma/carrier

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Suchiguma/Carriers

[soft raft]

skills do not activate nor do the planes drop bombs and etc etc

[sweet delta]

/w15 for what carriers and gear are actually good

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[keen sable]

tap ?

[rigid onyx]

shimanto instead jinstuu; double spearfish instead of mix and match to try to minimize timing constraints; roomba on highest aa main fleet ship is fairly standard

[sweet delta]

Again, testing a fleet that's too strong is useless for making recommendations

And what's this about Roomba being standard on main fleet

[rigid onyx]

idk why gph here always does staag even in plane hell

[stark quiver]

cuz its fast?

[dusty gulch]

ok, but fighters with abilities still work? Will an F4u launched from support affect my whole fleet for example?

[sweet delta]

Because Roomba on main fleet is just stupid. Even if you don't want hit staag and don't have more rainbow, twin 90 is better

[rigid onyx]

alo is the only place that ive seen completely discount staag on main fleet

[keen sable]

there are no interceptors with abilities currently

[rigid onyx]

that said i only know ectl, cn wiki guides, and here

[stark quiver]

fast gun
makes up for slow guns in vanguard

[sweet delta]

Ectl hates Roomba last I checked. What cn wiki page did you read?

Also it would help to do your own testing and verification

[rigid onyx]

ive found roombas on main fleet better than staag, but using qualitative testing not quantitative so i dont really bring it up

[eternal moth]

STAAG's main draw is the hit

[rigid onyx]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/主线第15章开荒指南

[eternal moth]

So you're giving up main fleet damage for more AA if giving them roombas

[sweet delta]

It's also pretty good for AA on poorer AA ships like most main fleet ships

[cobalt rapids]

good ?

[keen sable]

they said only on highest aa main

which uhh they all suck

[rigid onyx]

you can just do 6 roomba apparently

[viscid swift]

doubtful...

[sweet delta]

So theyre using double or triple AA carries in the vanguard. The main fleet's AA doesnt matter at all at that point

[rigid onyx]

but your vanguard aa is shit

[soft raft]

[weary gust]

Uh. Best AA in the game, best Alpha damage AA in the game, best general AA in the game?

Unless you mean the ships specifically and Ancho/jda not having amazing aa

[rigid onyx]

No like in w15 i don't really consider one AA carry & 2 bad aa ships good fleet building

pastabofors rainbow and sexybofors are fine

[weary gust]

Vanguard has to survive too, it can't be all AA carries.

[viscid swift]

and what if there's no more AA carries to use

I wouldn't consider having the bulk of reccs involving event limited ships that won't return for a few years to be a good recc, esepcially for newer players starting after said events ran

[keen sable]

guam sandy laffii vg ftw throw in nj roomba for funsies

[cobalt rapids]

guam laffii z52 eldr are all post w15 clears
1 aa carry per fleet was pretty standard
which was usually sandy/shimanto
and then covered extra by chesh if rly lacking

[weary gust]

With that fleet you're not testing the AA guns anymore, it's the ships themselves doing all the work.

[turbid marsh]

what's alpha damage aa?

[sweet delta]

Sextuple, highest damage per shot

[stark quiver]

sextuples

[cobalt rapids]

@rigid onyx im willing to sacrifice my oil when u decide on a fleet

[weary gust]

I think he's asking more "What is alpha damage" than what is the AA gun in question. It refers to the base damage of the gun, which is multiplied by the ship using it's AA. Bigger base number x bigger AA stat = more damage

[turbid marsh]

Oh i thought you were talking about ships, not guns

[rigid onyx]

either use sandy or have an off-carry aa in addition to shimanto imo

[storm heron]

Same but with lower tech and worse cats

[rigid onyx]

shimanto as sole aa in w15 i've found isn't really great w/o high tech

[storm heron]

oops sorry for ping

[rigid onyx]

anyways ik alo hates spearfish so idk why i even type

[half plover]

spearfish is so expensive

[rigid onyx]

this is true

[dusty gulch]

@keen sable F4U Pirate has the +AA skill. Does this work when launched as an interceptor? What about from a support carrier?

[viscid swift]

we don't hate the spearfish

[weary gust]

Nope and nope.

[viscid swift]

it's just really expensive and the wyvern does the role but is easier and cheaper to obtain

[rigid onyx]

i agree

[keen sable]

it is not an interceptor skill. it says launches an Airstrike.

[viscid swift]

we don't recc it that often for that reason, there's just simply no way to justify the cost at this point in time

[half plover]

will there be new lab gear recipes soon or was the full update already?

[stark quiver]

soon

[viscid swift]

probably

[half plover]

oh alr

[fluid umbra]

Can I use VF17 on AvP for timing?

[weary gust]

To what purpose

[sweet delta]

I agree

[fluid umbra]

Timing

[stark quiver]

i mean yes?

[fluid umbra]

Getting her to squeeze between shinano and amagi

[sweet delta]

But I disagree with spearfish being better than wyvern in late campaign

[fluid umbra]

Something like this

[weary gust]

I mean if the timing works it works, but better to use a stronger fighter if possible.

[fluid umbra]

I'll move some stuff around and see

[storm heron]

just use stronger fighter and use catapult, significantly more damage overall with about same launchtime

[crimson glacier]

i feel like that would be 24s+

[fluid umbra]

I got this to work but nano is now running 2x saiun

[dusty gulch]

Is there a guide or resource on interceptors?

[fluid umbra]

Maybe i should be using homing uhh idk

[weary gust]

2x Saiun is fine

[sweet delta]

What specifics do you want to know?

[storm heron]

can't u use a junker on shinano?

[keen sable]

those timings don't look great

[fluid umbra]

Actually, 2x ryusei + homing on nano works ish

[fluid umbra]

What's a junker

[keen sable]

avp plane...

[fluid umbra]

oh

[eternal moth]

What are you trying to set up this timing for? What content>?

[crimson glacier]

wait here i am mixing manjuu and beacon

[fluid umbra]

Meta/Opsi

[eternal moth]

Ok, heavy or medium armor?

[storm heron]

gph likes plane syncing competition

[fluid umbra]

I thought a torp would be better, but maybe Im wrong

[dusty gulch]

@sweet delta when/how many they launch.

[fluid umbra]

Heavy

[keen sable]

the torp bomber that is on avp...

[fluid umbra]

Oh wait I get it now

[storm heron]

also who's the third one, are you just gonna use shinano and avp? ENED AGAIN

[fluid umbra]

ju87 too slow there

[fluid umbra]

nano, avp, amagi

[agile slate]

Hey guys, I'm currently stuck in NA Oceans Depths F

I cant find the energy matrix thing to bring?

I have the pad/destinstion of the matric, but not the matrix itself.

It also says that if I leave, I loose all rewards i earned

[sweet delta]

They launch however many the carrier's slot has.
Surface fleet CVs launch interceptors when they're reloaded and when there are enemy airplanes on screen.
Support fleet CVs launch fighter interceptors when they're reloaded, without checking if there are enemy airplanes

[dusty gulch]

Do support carrier skills that launch interceptors also not work in W15?

[soft raft]

Carrier skills do not work in W15 period

Only the passive intercept of their fighters

[eternal moth]

Screenshot would be helpful

[weary gust]

Look around the map, it should be a red/black square. Probably an enemy is blocking it off and you need to manually go fight that enemy.,

[shell willow]

didnt u ask this 3 times now

[sweet delta]

The two links I sent you a long way above should explain, the support fleet interceptors only come from the equipped fighters

[soft raft]

I swear we already went over this

[keen sable]

btw whoever said red means good in cn is clearly wrong

[turbid marsh]

red usually means something urgent or horrible, but that's just me.

[fluid umbra]

Wait so is 2x Saiun + 2x Cata better than 2x Ryusei + 1x Cata + 1x Beacon?

[weary gust]

Move the other fleets.

[agile slate]

I might be blind, I dont see it on the mini map either

[turbid marsh]

its probably in one of your 3 fleets there

[weary gust]

They probably started on top of it.

[agile slate]

Oh fuck

OH MY GOD LMAO YALL ARE RIGHT

Thanks hahahha

[eternal moth]

Also, learn how to take a screenshot on whatever that is you're using. I guarantee you can do it.

[agile slate]

Its a hassle, since I dont have discord on my steam deck

If I was on phone, then fair enough

[turbid marsh]

neck got fixed XD

[eternal moth]

Let's see if I can one-fleet lethal 12-2

[dusty gulch]

And what non-fighters besides wyvern and breguet have intercept?

[storm heron]

starts on guam event

[soft raft]

Just those two

[sweet delta]

If you're asking for the support fleet, then again I will recommend you to read the links I sent

[eternal moth]

lol. I actually this alt started right after Musashi's event ended

[dusty gulch]

ok. thanks.

I read those.

[sweet delta]

Double catapult does more damage per strike than catapult beacon for TB changes

[wide obsidian]

anyone have comp suggestions for the event ex level?

[fluid umbra]

Okay, how is this, I changed a bunch of stuff, I don't know how much damage I'm losing but it's synced properly, supposedly

[eternal moth]

ok, one-fleet probably wasnt' going to work. If Z52 had more than 1 LB it might have gone better lol

[eternal moth]

That looks fine to me, I don't think you're really losing anything there.

[fluid umbra]

Oh, okay sounds good then

[boreal wagon]

if u want to u can reduce the space each ship takes up in the settings btw (compact and ultra-compact)

[fluid umbra]

Waaa, I didn't know that

[plucky basin]

Should i use any of these?

[weary gust]

Any combination of good ships will work, it's not a hard event. Unless you mean the advanced/custom one and you're trying to get 10k points, that one is a bit more challenging.

[sweet delta]

No, but keep them for later good tech

[wide obsidian]

i've been using random comps and havent beat it but i think my gear selection might be trash

[weary gust]

What are you using right now?

[runic lagoon]

Should I use these torpedoes instead of the ones on the left for anchorage?

[weary gust]

Ancho wants fast reload torps, not strong torps.

[eternal moth]

The ones on the right should go on your best torp boat. Ancho wants fast torps, like the purple Iris ones

Or even these

[wide obsidian]

This was my last run

[sweet delta]

must be the gear or limit breaks

[weary gust]

Sandy isn't a tank, why are you not using subs? Besides that, on ships alone, that should still work, so yeah gear.

[sweet delta]

subs cost oil

[white agate]

?? all 125, only agir maybe

[dusty gulch]

@runic lagoon https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/550mm_Triple_Torpedo_Mount#tabber-tabpanel-Type_3-0
BiS still i think for Anchorage.

[wide obsidian]

My subs are only lvl100 haven’t been working on them

[cobalt rapids]

u can have lv125 UR, META and research ships

without limit breaks

[wide obsidian]

Agir is 4/5 stars so I could replace her

[white agate]

i thought UR stopped at 100 when not mlb

[sweet delta]

you haven't been in gph long enough to see docks with level 120+ three star URs

[eternal moth]

Couldn't be my alt >.>

[boreal wagon]

the "stop at 100" the wiki (and game) talk about are only for the ships umi didnt list

which also means it only matters for CN

[white agate]

wait, does this mean i can actually get ulrich 3 star tech?

[sweet delta]

Is that you?

[eternal moth]

You can get DR 120 tech before MLB, so I'm pretty sure UR works too

[sweet delta]

ha take that appearing on fleet power leaderboard 2025

[white agate]

yep, that i knew; i had only the wrong assumption ur stopped at 100 idk why

[cobalt egret]

For musashi's DR skill, if you're using her in a game mode (like OpSi) where there is no ACV, does she have to be off flag to activate it?

[sweet delta]

No ACV means it's active

[cobalt egret]

neat

[ocean shuttle]

Bofors DPS is like 80, flapjack DPS is listed as 70ish.
Are these to figure actually comparable? I'm trying to understand how impactful fighters are compared to vanguard AA is

[sweet delta]

No, not comparable at all

and it's difficult to compare

mechanically they work in completely different ways and are each subject to their own RNG and ranges

[storm heron]

[ocean shuttle]

2 is such a weird number to me, is the implication that you only run one AP gun per fleet for armor break? Even against medium/heavy bosses late game?

[storm heron]

time to grind fp

[toxic sandal]

is there a list of 3star/blue equipment to keep and get rid of the rest?

[soft raft]

Twin 457s cant sync with Helena

[soft raft]

/equip 3rd link

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[toxic sandal]

thanks

[ocean shuttle]

Does that mean Helena just ain't worth bringing when using triple BB AP vs Heavy then? I still don't understand why 2 would be needed

[barren tapir]

1 per fleet in campaign usually

iirc it's used cos high dmg uptime and high dmg per volley

[storm heron]

vs heavy, helena is worth since you can use 3 Champagne's gun or sidegrades like Soyuz's gun or Flandre's gun

[barren tapir]

for bossing you usually use champy guns, i dont remember when 457 is used

[storm heron]

you don't even need 2, 1 is fine

[ocean shuttle]

Gotcha, ty. I'm mostly focusing on w14 hard mode rn, so I'll barely get a chance to use BBs for a while anyways 😭

[barren tapir]

bros in the future

[sweet delta]

two 457mms for two BBs in campaign. You don't use 3 in campaign, and 3 in bosses is infeasible for several reasons.

1. +13 all 3 costs 1080 gold plates
2. 457s don't sync with Helena
3. If you don't use helena, 457s are good because they can get 4 salvos in meta showdown.
4. But so can two 457 and one champy gun. And mixing a champy gun in may lead to better BB buff/debuff syncs.

[ocean shuttle]

Oops, meant w13

[sweet delta]

i saw roonpoint and i thought it was doggo

[barren tapir]

14hm doesnt exist yet

nah i roonpoint a lot too

[storm heron]

idk I didn't even use the second 457 in campaign

[barren tapir]

idk whats meta for 13hm but i used 3 cv mob and 1 bb 2 cv boss

[stark quiver]

i one fleet

[barren tapir]

ive also only done 13-1 so

[storm heron]

I use one fleet for every hm

[barren tapir]

i mean for like initial clearing lul

also u want 3 cv in the mob fleet anyway for acv, 1 fight or not

[storm heron]

does that work?

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

like did you clear ch13 hm already?

[barren tapir]

13-1 only

boss and i forgot cats, i cant find my mob and i already shifted shit around for easier/faster boss-only clears so iunno what i used anymore

[storm heron]

I thought ch13 hm gonna be harder

[barren tapir]

it is pretty hard, like id consider even 13-1 a big step up over 13-4 regular

its not just levels there's actually more planes too from what i noticed, i utterly breezed through ch13 normal but 13-1 hm 3* cv nodes almost kicked my ass (2 of them got my backline to 40%)

[storm heron]

well that's one content you did better than me

[barren tapir]

mightve been due to z52 being lvl105ish but

[storm heron]

you should probably try ch15

[barren tapir]

gonna take a moment to vent about the event though: 2 prints in 75 boosted runs

[barren tapir]

yeah no i feel like unless you can breeze through 13-4 hm, ch15 isnt even a question. since that ought to be a lot harder still

[stark quiver]

i did 15 and cant do 13-4hm ez

[cosmic moon]

ey dudes, anyone the most efficient oil/xp farm map these days? still 11-1?

[white agate]

12-4

[stark quiver]

just do 12-1/4

[barren tapir]

11-1 technically but 12-1 is both easier and better bc it drops cog chips

[sweet delta]

technically 11-1, but 12-1 and the rest of chapter 12 is very close behind and gives a lot more coins and other drops

[eternal moth]

12-1 or 12-4 are better options since they give cog chips

[cosmic moon]

big dropoff in oil efficiency if i just do 12-4?

[white agate]

yep, 11-1 good, but if no cog chips exp useless

[eternal moth]

Not really

[cosmic moon]

cool

[storm heron]

exp is diminishingly relevant

[barren tapir]

ok yeah this is my 13-1 hm except for initial clear i had rumey and indep swapped iirc also lvls were lower on initial clear i also manage to clear all mob

[cosmic moon]

thanks for the info, will just keep pluggin away at 12-4. that's usually what i used for the pr ships, but just looking to start pushing the rest of the fleet to 125. not much content left in between events

[barren tapir]

mob used circular and boss used double

and first full clear i forgot about cats, so i was nerfed too

[eternal moth]

Here are the efficiencies for the different stages.

[storm heron]

does that mean spearfish just performs the same?

[cobalt rapids]

draw ur own conclusions

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

fulmar best?

[storm heron]

kinda surprising that spearfleet actually survived and the difference aren't that obvious

[barren tapir]

what is spearfish for

[storm heron]

rocket-shooting barracuda

[sweet delta]

they left

[undone plover]

~~opsi stronghold ~~

[white agate]

seems to me like from there it seems after 2 air spearfish better and after 1st boss wyvern better

[storm heron]

wait who left

[boreal wagon]

the person umi responded to

[stark quiver]

uto

[storm heron]

wait why though

[nimble knoll]

I have a question, because it's stupid.. Why is it that when I'm Using Yk2, Uni And Laffey, And A Damn Bomber Ship Hits The Bottom Side.. Uni gets Damaged instead of Yk2.. Like how does it damage the farthest one away from the bomber ship-

[stark quiver]

maybe they were butthurt idk

[storm heron]

like umi is just giving data
time to hit them in ectl

[sweet delta]

he probably went back to ectl because he can't take people actually understanding AA mechanics

[stark quiver]

[nimble knoll]

[sweet delta]

wyvern had healthier main fleet both after 2 air and after 1st boss.
spearfish had healthier vanguard after 2 air. It's harder to say something about vanguard hp though, since it's inherently higher variance

[barren tapir]

having been present in both servers (as well as a couple others, reddit, and youtubes) ive simply come to the conclusion that different groups of AL players hate one another and think everyone but them is incompetent at the game

[nimble knoll]

Also Is This Gud?

[barren tapir]

when a ship or plane hits your side it's random who gets damaged, outside of specific skills like musashi's

[storm heron]

yeah it's random, the bomb ship or aircraft hits one randomly

[nimble knoll]

So all of the damn damage went to Uni Instead of Yk2.. How Fantastic...

[barren tapir]

also did anyone try 1 wyvern + 1 spearfish

[boreal wagon]

thats what the argument started with (more or less)

[sweet delta]

i did, in my original test

[barren tapir]

so was it like the worst

[sweet delta]

wyvern uni spear aquila was worse by a lot, and spear uni wyvern aquila was comparable to wyvern wyvern

with a +13 spear and only +10 wyverns

[storm heron]

can oathed ykII 4 strike meta without gimping equips?

or is it still not possible?

[sweet delta]

it's far from possible unless you drop skyraider

[hollow gust]

She still needs to run one weird plane

[river junco]

If I'm running nep guns on my BBs as secondaries, is it worth replacing them with kais for w14/15 or opsi?

[sweet delta]

certainly replace them with triple 155 kai or twin 137 for w14. And for w15 twin 137 would be better

for opsi anything with 45 FP works

[storm heron]

apparently the AA discussion is continued there

[eager mulch]

I hate ectl

[runic lagoon]

Is it worth it doing the fate simulation on anchorage?

[barren tapir]

absolutely wild discussions happening there

[viscid swift]

not really tbh, it's one of the last I'd do purely just not to waste free BPs from coining

[barren tapir]

uto isnt even correct

[viscid swift]

I'm not even gonna wade into that, AA is a clusterfuck that I do not understand

[barren tapir]

well 5% more ehp is quite nice for anchorage but yeah i would not prioritize it over ships like avp etc who need fs5 much more

[viscid swift]

is it actually 5%?

[barren tapir]

150% -> 155% on mebot, iirc

[viscid swift]

huh, didn't think it was that much but less so relatively on Anchorage

[barren tapir]

additive 5%, more like 3.5% multiplicatively

[sweet delta]

all you need do is not refuse to accept what the game code explicitly says, and you're already better than ectl

[barren tapir]

3.14% multiplicative to be exact

[sweet delta]

thats about right for 15 luck

[barren tapir]

but small multi still very good on big base

[elfin hollow]

Which ship should I give the twim 100mm kai dd gun

[barren tapir]

also was referring to their jab to alo on the eugen portland thing, idt anyone said eugen better outright, but they should be competitive ignoring cost because one brings more bulk and one brings more dmg (but still low dmg) and personally i wouldnt even say eugen bulk is unnecessary because every bit can help when your gear is hot trash, it's really just cost that invalidates eugen

anecdotally my portland with trash newbie gears had some issues tanking ch10-11 bosses due to excessive levels of torpage

[keen sable]

should be sandy

[barren tapir]

and her dmg was basically nonexistent too with a basic +6 purple transitional gun

[viscid swift]

that last but is a bit of a molehill and I can see where both sides are coming from at least

[elfin hollow]

She got an UR gun from alsace event

[viscid swift]

San Diego

the 100 kai is better than the Mogador gun on Sandy

[elfin hollow]

Who should I give mogador gun to then

[viscid swift]

whichever main gun mount + 1 DD you're using(Yuudachi, Chang Chun, Tai Yuan, etc)

[toxic sandal]

worth farming the event just for the hydraulic steering gear?

[keen sable]

cc but maybe the real answer is care about less ships? a lot harder to gear 36 ships correctly. plus who knows how many additional are unique to ops

[keen sable]

past free tickets?

[barren tapir]

rates are dogshit after your 15 a day (or bonus ticket) and id argue dogshit even with 15 a day (but the coin/oil is good)

[spice phoenix]

should i train z52 and mogador? currently lacking UR bulins and the specialized cores for mlb though

[toxic sandal]

hmm ok thanks

[barren tapir]

i havent bothered to run more without boosted because all signs point to ~1% droprate or worse from samples ive seen from other people

as for boosted...im 2 for 75

[elfin hollow]

Which is better tai or chang in opsi

[viscid swift]

Tai Yuan in a full fleet

[barren tapir]

tldr if u get prints then be happy but dont bother counting on it, just do event for the milestone rewards and if you get a drop then yay if not it didnt exist anyway

[sweet delta]

What if the fleet is soyuz nakhimov kron

[keen sable]

then anshan?

[barren tapir]

add chkalov for more meme

oh nvm she doesnt give avi. L ship

[viscid swift]

yeah...

oh yeah speaking of which, I see EN hasn't redacted that announcement of Memphis META being added to the Dossier

and CN and JP have said nothing on the matter

[candid meteor]

does yk2 skil include herself in the 3 uss ships

[viscid swift]

yes

unless it explicitly states otherwise you can assume a ship counts itself for such requirements if it meets them

[boreal wagon]

cn made the same announcement and deleted it 20 mins later so its safe to say they did an oopsie

[viscid swift]

did they? that takes care of that then

good thing patch notes should be out tomorrow

[boreal wagon]

thats what ender said at least i was too late to see it

[stark quiver]

whats the best gun on fritz for bossing

[white agate]

... if i use champagne gun on musashi, will she be at least better than howe?

[fluid umbra]

Why does the mrlar calculator show different numbers than the fleet tool?

[stark quiver]

its more comprehensive

[sweet delta]

the renhex fleet tool, like the game, does not account for skills, jamming, and absolute cooldowns

[fluid umbra]

Oh okay thanks

No wonder my ships sometimes were inconsistent when i go off in game numbers

[hollow gust]

Just use the twin / triple 410

[fluid umbra]

By the way where can I find out more about jamming and abs cd

[sweet delta]

here

[white agate]

true

[fluid umbra]

So what's the deal with jamming, why is it always 0.5s and what's absolute cd

[sweet delta]

For carriers, the game set a 0.5s period after an airstrike during which no other airstrike can launch. Because of the game loop, it usually becomes 0.533s.
For BBs it's 1.0s, but because of the BB slow motion and other things it becomes more like 1.2s.

absolute cd can refer to various things, but usually it's a misnomer for the time it takes for a ship to actually shoot after choosing a target, plus the 0.0s to 0.1s period between finishing the reload and the game loop checking for the next target

[fluid umbra]

Ohh, so that's why syncing is really annoying. I thought they were instant, but maybe it's just the pop up and not the actual planes going off

[white agate]

i beated hardbiter and game crashed(my reward, is it still there?)

[sweet delta]

the ship art's pop up is the same as the actual planes launching

carriers are also less annoying because they can store airstrikes, so they begin loading the next airstrike even if they're jammed by the previous carrier for 0.5s

[fluid umbra]

Ah okay

[fluid umbra]

Maybe it's because I'm playing at 120 fps it feels like they go at the same time.

[hollow gust]

It should , just beat it again

[keen sable]

game doesn't run at 120 afaik

[fluid umbra]

Yeah I think it's just visual

[sweet delta]

if 60 or 120 fps does anything, it's only for display. The bullets and stuff have their own fixed frequency

[fluid umbra]

Hammer or Sword on Z52 btw?

[keen sable]

in game can't handle stuff like avp reload skill or homing beacons

otherwise it's fine for most purposes. you're just way off on avp sync. 0.3s spread is way outside of sync tolerances

[icy mist]

A good fleet to beat map 15

[fluid umbra]

I see

[icy mist]

Got this fleet for 14 i finished the map thanks

Need a fleet for map 15 any suggestions thanks in advance

[viscid swift]

you know the drill by now

[storm heron]

just use the same fleet

[keen sable]

well did you try it?

[icy mist]

i hear the added a third fleet to map 15 i havent touched it

[stark quiver]

just do /w15 in bot spam

[keen sable]

try it and you'll see

[storm heron]

shimanto over kron, sandy over agir, and you can hard diff w15

[icy mist]

and the third fleet?

[white agate]

[keen sable]

fritz nahk hwah jah

or you know, try it first. you'll see what it wants

[calm ledge]

does the joint operation count as a sortie for the purposes of getting xp for research ships?

[viscid swift]

yes

[storm heron]

what is mg?

is it like another anime reference?

[viscid swift]

mini game

[sturdy badger]

Got enough Bulins to MLB. Which one should I MLB?

Should I just do Mogador?

[keen sable]

who do you have

almost definitely not mogador

[sturdy badger]

Y?

[barren tapir]

show all your UR

and because z52 is generally better and backline is generally higher prio

[sturdy badger]

Another 2 Bulins I'll buy later

[barren tapir]

i wanna say either vanguard or yk2 but ill leave it to the more experienced peeps

[elfin hollow]

when autoing, how does the game choose which of the two fleets to use?

[keen sable]

role tab

[elfin hollow]

thank you so much

[viscid swift]

are you planning on tackling W15 or W14 anytime soon?

[patent raft]

Should i maxed limit this ship girl?

[dusty gulch]

Can I get more than 1 hedgehog?

[white agate]

aka, if you scrapped hedgeog...

[carmine heath]

Where did you get 160k coins from

[white agate]

watch his gear level and you will understand he is not using them due to bulin/plates initial bottleneck

[stark quiver]

playing the game

[bright tusk]

what is good from watarase?

[patent raft]

How do i equip this to my ship girl??

[keen sable]

retrofit the ddg

[viscid swift]

you can only equip it on the DDGs

[stark quiver]

new hull mentioned

[patent raft]

Ohh ok. Thank

what shell should i buy or i save the core for more

[storm heron]

her barrage is although niche, high damage

[agile furnace]

is there a big difference between the amount of coins per sortie between 13-4 and 14-4?

[keen sable]

not relatively

morale wise sure

[viscid swift]

no

[forest palm]

you'll get more coin per oil, but then you start running into the issue of time per run

[agile furnace]

alright

[sinful escarp]

there is also the problem that w13 and 14 sorta needs good fleets. so you cant get away with random ships you want to level

in w12 you can get away with a lot and use it to level ships for fleet tech or future use

[weary gust]

w13 doesn't even really need "good" fleet, just a measure of AA. Game has been so powercrept since it came out.

[sturdy badger]

Sorry for late reply but that I'm not sure. I'm already too comfortable at W12.

[zenith heron]

probably said player is just wanted a better ship in Op Si if said player is doing it?

[keen sable]

i think z but

[sturdy badger]

Let's just say I need Boss Killer. I need ships that do dammy.

[eternal moth]

dammy? really?

[keen sable]

you've got six of them already

[zenith heron]

general boss killer? there are many hull types?

[sturdy badger]

Sorry, played FGO. My friends call dmg dammy

[agile furnace]

Would chapter 15 be able to be cleared with these?

[stark quiver]

yeh prolly

[eternal moth]

You have Guam and Laffey, you're probably OK

[sturdy badger]

Well. I just need more ig??

[eternal moth]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[sinful escarp]

honestly you can

[keen sable]

you don't have meta vanguards. what will you do with a 3rd boss fleet?

[sinful escarp]

just up to your equipment

[viscid swift]

I'd go for Vanguard first then

[keen sable]

you also simply don't have a third boss fleet. yorkii or vanguard would only be 1 of 3 and they don't go together for 2 unless you maybe move alsace with yorkii.

[sturdy badger]

Ah, crap. Forgot about 3rd fleet

[bright tusk]

brest for w15 mob better use toolkit than use another eva auxiliary?

[stark quiver]

usually eva + like bulge

[eternal moth]

heheh... bulge

[white agate]

anything i can do to squeeze 10hp bar more from soryu meta here?

[keen sable]

gott protect the amidships

[white agate]

and no musashi gun is not gonna +13, too wasteful

[sweet delta]

More radars for 4 or at least 3.7 salvo

One or two Twin 457 works too

[white agate]

you mean the gold one on vanguard and alsace i guess?

[sweet delta]

Change sword and staag to FP

[dusty gulch]

@white agate What tool is that? can you share?

[white agate]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[sweet delta]

Yes, and autoloader as needed, I know musashi will need one

[dusty gulch]

ty

[storm heron]

how long does it need for BB to launch all their 3 mgm?

[white agate]

wait, what did you mean about changing sword? isn't she med armor?

[sweet delta]

Actually change Aegir or Helena to Eldridge retro

[storm heron]

I think soryuu's evasion is low

[sweet delta]

The earliest few meta bosses have super low Eva and luck

[agile furnace]

can someone help with a fleet for 15-1 and 15-2?

[white agate]

but bow has -5% damage if not on heavy iirc

[storm heron]

no it's -5% for light

sorM is med

[storm heron]

have you read /w15 yet?

[agile furnace]

i read 15-1 and 15-2 since i plan to do those today

but i dont want to just put whatever and hope for the best

[storm heron]

can I assume all the first picture have the bottom rows mlb?

[agile furnace]

yeah

[viscid swift]

well could you post the rest of your SRs in a thread

I'd not want to attempt W15 without Unicorn among other things

[agile furnace]

i dont even remember how to make a thread

[storm heron]

world 15 help

[barren tapir]

i never ever had that many coins sounds more like not investing into things

[storm heron]

I had that many coins like once

[barren tapir]

even with spending 120k oil on yk2 event i peaked at 140k coins and then spent it all

[slow fox]

How do you spend coins? I need help spending them

[barren tapir]

so many way to spend coin to improve ur account if u want to early on particularly

[storm heron]

peaked at 220k coins before raising and retrofitting 2 extra unicorns

[barren tapir]

im currently scraping for any possible coin because 21k/day for gearskins hurt

[barren tapir]

gearskins and cats ez sink. retrofit for collection. research. idk what u got but ur like a boomer right

[slow fox]

Cats are such a hassle

[plain saffron]

Toggling ddg

[slow fox]

I finish all retrofits

Don't care for gear skins

[storm heron]

is that even gonna be enough to pull ships with average luck?

UR*

[barren tapir]

well you see im not pulling

[storm heron]

true

[barren tapir]

also 21k/day in normal event is 294k so very much on par with pitying a UR

[stark quiver]

how do you peak at 140k coins

[barren tapir]

wdym

coin go up when spend tens of thousands of oils

[stark quiver]

i peaked at 600k 2 times

[barren tapir]

i live for the day i dont need endless coins to improve my account

yessss gearskins do in fact count to me

[storm heron]

alpha did you ever ran out of cog chips

[stark quiver]

no

im a casual player, cogs are not a problem

[barren tapir]

but yeah what really put me in the hole currently was multiple UR awakenings, research, fu shun retro, and gearskins

[storm heron]

cause I am at the point where I started to have to choose who I should cogs

[barren tapir]

i already reached that point

insomuch as i want to keep 5k or so as a stash for any sudden new ships needed, leaving me with only a bit to work with and multiple URs currently need cogging so

[storm heron]

probably the first player who can run out of cogs in 4 months

[barren tapir]

well not running out tho. just have to be selective/prioritize somewhat

[keen sable]

cancel research faster

[storm heron]

like I can't even afford to 120 vanquelin

[stark quiver]

dont you whale for oil

[slow fox]

Tradeoffer: I give you coin, you give me rudder

[storm heron]

I whaled for like 14 dollars and I regret it

cause at the end hvars didn't even take half of my mail oil

[stark quiver]

how do you have that much oil that you run out of cogs

[storm heron]

do you spend on dorm foods?

[weary gust]

Having more oil means running out of cogs faster, because that means doing more runs and leveling up more ships and requiring more cogs.

[carmine heath]

Is the gun for z52 the 113 gun from rn gear lab?

[barren tapir]

do c1 to run out of cogs

[storm heron]

I feel like ever since I lowcost, not buy dorm foods (only -20% exp), not buying opsi logger, my oil is just going wild

[stark quiver]

im wondering how you have that much, cuz im always running out
too much ships, not enough oil

i bought a quarter million curry back in the day
kinda regret it

[obsidian ivy]

Nakhimov users do you use tash or voro more to pair with her when not with soyuz

[eternal moth]

I just use Soyuz

But I think it was Voro the other time I used her

[sweet delta]

I haven't used her with tash or voro

[granite rain]

If I have a ship at 115 but don't have chips to awaken them, does the over cap exp they get still contribute to shipyard exp for unlocking a ship?

[storm heron]

also +20% exp strat by taking a half an hour break after a 3x, and mvp controlling for 6% more exp

[granite rain]

ty guys

[carmine heath]

+10 z52 gear is so nice

[storm heron]

did I mention prioritizing oil over skill books, logging in every hour to check comission, and force myself to sleep when I have long comission running

[obsidian ivy]

You're addicted

[stark quiver]

yeah i think im good

[carmine heath]

addiction is temporary, oil storage is forever

• @storm heron

[elfin hollow]

Too much min max will make me just not play anymore

[granite rain]

Bro I am always out of oil. Farming 12 for that sweet shipyard exp

[carmine heath]

I have 10k oil because I only do opsi because I ran out of oil 2 days ago

[keen sable]

shipyard is temporary

[stark quiver]

do you guys still level a ship in 12-4/1 after 120 to 125
or xp book

[viscid swift]

I do it the old fashioned way still

[obsidian ivy]

Doggo gonna wrangle in his couch when I start Houston farming soon, all those oil dead

[viscid swift]

too much of a cheap skate to use XP packs

[white agate]

xp books are to 1-100

[stark quiver]

i have
no xp packs

[viscid swift]

literally how

[stark quiver]

good question

[keen sable]

if you're going to 125 them you better want to use them. waifu or meta

[granite rain]

What?

[viscid swift]

how many dorm slots do you have again?

[stark quiver]

oh nvm i have 2

[white agate]

sushi strat would work, problem is i have 0 reload tech

[stark quiver]

nvm make it 5

[viscid swift]

then why aren't you dorming your farming fleet in the 2nd floor and using the first floor to passively level up the next batch of ships to level

[stark quiver]

thats what im doing

[viscid swift]

I am still baffled as to how you're running out then....
probably just use them less at that point

[stark quiver]

i had 200, but they went into a ship so...

[obsidian ivy]

XP pack exist to be used

[sharp socket]

i spent 1k books to level like 10 ships to retro and another 700 yesterday to speed aquila from 95 to 120 for 15-4

[obsidian ivy]

[storm heron]

6

I have prof

[sharp socket]

(i did not clear 15-4 need new strategy)

[viscid swift]

yes, which is why I'm saving 3k or so for a very rainy day

[storm heron]

[white agate]

i can't live with so few, i have 8 and they fell ok

[viscid swift]

also it's 235/237 now

[storm heron]

6x2 I mean

[obsidian ivy]

I can't exactly think of an emergency where you need that much, what situation would you need for a stash like that

A showdown that needs a ship you don't have?

[stark quiver]

i can

[viscid swift]

drastic change in the meta or something and I need to level up a bunch of ships quickly

better safe than sorry, and not like I need the XP urgently anyway

[obsidian ivy]

I suppose, iirc you have like every damn ship leveled

[stark quiver]

anyways how much morale does a single 12-4 run take
and how good is 3cv for one fleet

[viscid swift]

not even close

[storm heron]

12 + 2
3 cv is good 12 and 13 mob

[nimble knoll]

Bruh, My Rng Is So Bad That I Have To Use Laffey To Block Bomber Ships.. Cuz they keep Damaging Uni But Not My Yk2 Like H.O.W?! But Also should I 3* W7 For Hm?

[viscid swift]

7*2 = 14 for each ship if it's doing mobs + boss

[storm heron]

try putting VV in the middle

[stark quiver]

so like 42 for a 3x

[viscid swift]

And quite well actually

[storm heron]

unless VV doesnt have secondary for some reason

[stark quiver]

for some reason my ships are dying

[nimble knoll]

I'm 3* W6 at the moment, so I'm using Uni, Yk2, and Laffey

[weary gust]

A ship at max normal (undormed) morale can do ~12 runs as mob fleet in 12-4 before being at 0 morale.

Depends on whether they ever sink and how fast you clear, but that's about the rate.

[storm heron]

just use vv and uni instead if vv and ykII

[white agate]

this not accounting she can be in 2nd dorm floor

[viscid swift]

how? what are you running and against what

[nimble knoll]

Uni Can't Handle Planes For Some Reason-

[weary gust]

Vanguard AA is the problem if you're struggling with AA in w6.

[stark quiver]

120 fritz, 101 hiyou and houshou meta
114 bayard,100 trieste and elbing

[nimble knoll]

[viscid swift]

yeah, probably a gear issue

[stark quiver]

maybe i didnt stagger

[viscid swift]

that also would not help

[weary gust]

AA lack if backline is dying, vanguard too flimsy if vanguard dying.

For w12 ships sinking

[stark quiver]

also just wondering what does fritz run third slot vs harby

[viscid swift]

should be a Stagg

[stark quiver]

hm my fleet cant 3 strike, thats interesting

[nimble knoll]

Is Using Three Aircraft Carriers Bad? (Cuz in the Future I wanna Use Uni, Yk2, And Enty-)

[stark quiver]

for?

[nimble knoll]

Campaign or Events Ig?

[stark quiver]

events will be fine

but no bb means no intercept, no intercept means your fleet will explode to rammers

[weary gust]

It'd be bad for w12+ because the suicide boats will eat you. For opsi it is fine.

For most events it'd be fine.

[nimble knoll]

I see, Alright Then

[soft raft]

W13 is really the only place you can get away with Triple Carrier in mob fleet

Mainly because Suicide boats take a vacation in W13

[thin nova]

which one better guys?

[stark quiver]

most of the time you just run sword

[thin nova]

ok

[soft raft]

People run sword on CLs?

[storm heron]

that's not a BB right?

[soft raft]

that's CL

[zenith heron]

BB's have Long Sword

[storm heron]

time to open suchi's augment thingy

[zenith heron]

Also do you have any sample Anti Light Loadouts for Kearsarge and YK2 X Fritz Rumey?

[stark quiver]

sword is more rld + hit
bow is more fp + aa

and id take 2 offensive stats

[soft raft]

yeah in which case that would be bow
but you said sword intially

[weary gust]

I run the sword on CLs, for the slash attack.

[stark quiver]

i mean, in not many cases would i run more AA
but sword has slash, more rld and hit so

[weary gust]

Mostly for opsi/w12 farming.

[nimble knoll]

Should I Limit Break Sum, Cuz the Bullins are taking space or save em-

[soft raft]

Definetly Aquila
Maybe Hood too once you're in a position to work on a 2nd fleet

Allen isnt half bad either, pretty good AA for a DD

[elfin hollow]

Aquila is OP

[nimble knoll]

Okei

[stark quiver]

also blaster this may be a month late but the staag/haze wiki page is updated

[soft raft]

yeah I saw

[nimble knoll]

I just need Aquila and Hood to reach lvl 70 then, And I Can't LB Allen Cuz Low Level-

[nimble knoll]

Should I also use my Elite Bullins To LB Some Elite Ships?

[viscid swift]

yes

[soft raft]

definetly Unicorn asap
and Portland and your starter DD

[nimble knoll]

All my elites at the moment

[granite rain]

Work on retro Helena +Unicorn

[nimble knoll]

I did that already

[nimble knoll]

I'm three BP's away from Uni Retro, So (not close to Helena's Tho)

[granite rain]

Nice. Helena is great for bossing. Portland Retro is a solid early tank.

[nimble knoll]

Should I also Retro Laffey?

[granite rain]

Not nearly as important

[fickle hollow]

what will be the next UR reruns>?

[soft raft]

yes
it's required for your rookie missions to retrofit one of the starter DDs
same with Portland

[keen sable]

6 isn't a very large reserve but you can blow it on yorktown and hornet if you want

[nimble knoll]

Like should I get Laffey's Modernization?

[granite rain]

You need it at some point, but early game you can go without

[eternal moth]

Uni > Port > Laffey > Sara/Indep >>> Helena is the retro priority

[eternal moth]

Recommending Helena as a priority retro target is a really bad idea

[fickle hollow]

any idea when will the next rerun be?

[viscid swift]

no

[soft raft]

we wont 100% know until devs tell us

[keen sable]

fu shun would be the meta choice actually

[fickle hollow]

[granite rain]

I only recommended he work on it since he asked about his elites

[storm heron]

apparently sword is more defensive than crossbow

[nimble knoll]

She's Low Level Tho so I can't use her for now

[turbid marsh]

tbh helena is a med priority as a new player but that's just my opinion.

[eternal moth]

You're recommending her over his starter, which is terrible advice.

[soft raft]

Unicorn is right there too

[eternal moth]

Solely because of the newcomer missions

[sharp socket]

helena for retro is last imo

[eternal moth]

Helena is deserving the retro, there's no doubt about it, but the point at which she actually needs it is really late.

[sharp socket]

uni portland starter sara helena

[fickle hollow]

Independence ?

[eternal moth]

Independence or Sara generally

[nimble knoll]

I don't have Sara tho-

[sharp socket]

if you dont have a 4th carrier/sara then indep

[undone plover]

Should add nelson somewhere
Ch9 u need a second BB usually

[eternal moth]

You can get Sara from 4-1, or Independence from core data.

[nimble knoll]

I don't think I have those two-

[sharp socket]

i keep forgetting that new players dont start with sara but somehow i did

[keen sable]

sara indy pretty sus when they should be rocking vv aquila

[nimble knoll]

Ima show the fleet I'm using

[eternal moth]

Oh yeah, Aquila would replace Sara in that specific lineup

[sharp socket]

well if they have vv aquila then thats really good for starting

[ivory pawn]

Cause you spent $$ probably.

[eternal moth]

Yeah, you get her for spending $1

[sharp socket]

i didnt spend until i was finished with 14-4

[eternal moth]

Then you got her from 4-1

[sharp socket]

think i farmed her cause i was reading ectl

[sharp socket]

also i feel like ive seen this guy ask for fleet help like 20 times in the past week

[keen sable]

kind of curious...why is unicorn so high level? did you book her trying to make her heal more?

[nimble knoll]

I didn't-

[nimble knoll]

I just use her a lot to 1:1 stuff, and other things but I didn't use Xp packs

[sharp socket]

my advice for fleet building is to ask for help when it stops working

[keen sable]

makes sense

[nimble knoll]

Also, My Uni is going to hit 102 before my Laffey gets to 100 Smh (why do they need so much Xp to hit lvl 100 smh)

[weary gust]

I sincerely doubt you have anything better at the moment than that, or the bulins/resources to get them up to the level where they would be useful.

[storm heron]

guess who have stronger preloads

[viscid swift]

what

[storm heron]

this

[granite rain]

What's the actual use case for Perseus over Uni retro?

[hollow gust]

under 20 second battles

[granite rain]

Just to get the fast heal w/out the downside?

[viscid swift]

MvP control in my future 12-1 farming fleet

well without anymore main fleets to level I need main fleets that can, not die, provide AA and support to the vanguard without doing damage

and Perseus with the right loadout might do the trick

[keen sable]

laffey does

[sweet delta]

I would be cautious of her 12s barrage and preloaded TBs and stock bombs

[storm heron]

that's over unicorn?

[turbid marsh]

so basically akashi vestal and 0lb unicorn + 3 vanguards XD that is what i use for 12-1 if i dont want to go for 14-1/15-1 for vanguard+cog

[sweet delta]

Klaudia heals only once but is quite safe in not doing enough damage

[viscid swift]

hmm

[sweet delta]

What's the point of a 0lb unicorn? Will she even reload in time to get a heal?

[viscid swift]

not sure tbh

[storm heron]

40s ahh load

[sweet delta]

No tech on 0lb

[turbid marsh]

yes, she will get one heal. because my vanguards currently are the dragon empery people so they weak af

[barren tapir]

when i get her i plan to make her a permanent fixture of my c1 fleet for fast battles and easily carry any garbage vg

since uni is obviously in the mob fleet

[weary gust]

I doubt that fleet will even be able to clear the stage.

No backline damage and the weakest vanguard ships in the game, about the only thing that possibly CAN fail w12.

[sweet delta]

Have you forgotten that crossfleets exist

[barren tapir]

[weary gust]

Honestly I've never relied on crossfleets to carry so I am unsure how much of a load they can support for campaign maps.

[barren tapir]

probably a decent chunk for 12-1

[sweet delta]

I think I need to change Musashi to NJ and then the 3 BB crossfleets will fully wipe all but the Large enemy fleets

[turbid marsh]

lemme try. im currently leveling them in 14-1, give me like 5 minutes

[viscid swift]

yep

[sharp socket]

do you get voicelines from crossfleet

[sweet delta]

No vanguard crossfleets

I don't get voice lines at all 🔇

No voice from crossfleet

[turbid marsh]

oh god akashi stole mvp in 12-4, gonna move back to 14-1 for leveling these dragon people

[weary gust]

mvp control is way more trouble than it's worth.

[viscid swift]

nothing else to do when you run out of main fleets to level

if I don't MvP control I'm better off doing the 12 hour commissions for XP

[weary gust]

If you're out of mainfleets to level you're limited by cogchips and not exp.

[turbid marsh]

yeah i just go for 14-1/15-1 for vanguard level.

[viscid swift]

hardly, 5k cogs still, no main fleets I want to uncap currently and no backlog of vanguards to uncap

I would but the problem is most of my remaining relevant tech is DD tech

[weary gust]

5k cog chips is out of cog chips effectively.

and you're being limited by cog chips since you have ships that can be uncapped.

[viscid swift]

Which I doubt are gonna survive

[viscid swift]

all the ships I could uncap give no tech or have shit tech(HP, AA, etc)

hence why they aren't priorities

[weary gust]

Point is exp isn't what's limiting you from doing anything, it's cog chips.

[viscid swift]

it literally isn't

my focus right now is tech, 120ing every ship will come after I finish all the relevant tch

also, I'm loathed to spend XP packs on ships I can grind with

[weary gust]

You aren't capped on exp packs?

[viscid swift]

I am

[weary gust]

I rest my case.

[viscid swift]

but I feed them gradually, like 10 at a time when I'm overcaped rather than a few hundred at once

[turbid marsh]

wish im capped on exp packs XD

[viscid swift]

and even if I did, I highly doubt 3 shitty low eHP DDs are gonna survive 14-1 or 15-1

[turbid marsh]

14-1 should be lv105 i think to survive. zuihou unicorn musashi.

[viscid swift]

even with someone as fragile as Vampire main tanking?

[turbid marsh]

obviously noire is tankier than those dds, but i dont have any lv105 vanguards lft

lemme change their names

[dusty gulch]

Is B research actually the worst because of hidden oil cost? Anybody got an efficiency/drop table that has B missions on it?

[stark quiver]

does 12-1 have better xp-oil

[sweet delta]

B research doesn't cost oil because you would have (or should have) been spending the oil on farming anyways

[keen sable]

Bad but design and box is worse

[sweet delta]

Its drops are just bad

[dusty gulch]

Is this still accurate?

Doesn't even have B missions... but I'm thinking at least the gold ones can be decent for saving resources.

[turbid marsh]

would say pretty accurate for me. at least thats what i do. 0.5>q>g

[keen sable]

As if you could even cherry pick chapter 12.

[turbid marsh]

Maybe not vampire tanking but 105 dds should be good.

[keen sable]

Also if you can do 12 why are you doing shitty research

[viscid swift]

Chien Wu is decently tanky though isn't she, but an interesting insight

[dusty gulch]

@keen sable You talkin to me?

[barren tapir]

if it's between H, C, and B, i'm taking B

[turbid marsh]

you could say that, but doesn't ca have a disadvantage in torp sea? but way more tankier than vampire thats for sure. dds should have an advantage in 14-1 if im not mistaken. at least ive been using 14-1 as vanguard farming until 5months ago

[dusty gulch]

Because I'm cheap I guess? Not sure what you meant.

[barren tapir]

[keen sable]

That's not cheap. That's just bad...

[viscid swift]

not quite, also they should but I'm mainly gonna be running 3 DD set ups which are quite fast and may take an abnormally large amount of damage from ramming which is partly what I'm worried about

[barren tapir]

the only reason id take a bad research is if i already used my refresh and the only other option is spending cubes

[storm heron]

there's something cheap, fast, and good

[turbid marsh]

then level 110 it is. lv110 even white dds should work, at least for me. i used to level vanguard in 15-1 until i notice the new vanguards are absolutely terrible (and i have no books to get them to 110)

[viscid swift]

hmm, I'll see when I do finally get there, which should be soonish

[turbid marsh]

your backline techs, the good ones, should be done, so there should be no difference between my tech and yours. zuihou/ryuuhou is actually essential in this.

[viscid swift]

they are

I'm just waiting for these 2 to hit 2,115,000

[turbid marsh]

And this shouldn’t matter too much

[barren tapir]

bad, good, ehh, good

[vital estuary]

Campaign fleet help

[keen sable]

That's a great way to not accomplish research. Overcapped oil, sufficient coins and terrible selections

[dreamy blade]

yeah with that much oil and coins there is 0 reason to take basic researches...

[dusty gulch]

Well I took that one like 10 hrs ago but yeah.

[barren tapir]

1 reason, and only 1: everything else is H and refresh already used and wait too long for next day

[turbid marsh]

highly do not recommend going for CB. you keep claiming you want to be cheap but you have enough coins for Gs and enough blue/purple plates for Qs. now is a good time to adjust that.

[barren tapir]

but that situation should be almost unheard of, it'd be exceedingly rare

[copper ermine]

which of these should I focus on finishing? yorktown 2, shimakaze, or fritz rumey?

[dreamy blade]

the odds of that happening while not taking the good research to begin with are astronomical

[barren tapir]

yes, i am a cube miser

[soft raft]

Yk2 == Fritz Rumey

Shima

[barren tapir]

i would say rumey overall without knowing anything else

might be yk2 depending on ur situation

[copper ermine]

I do have enterprise who can pair up with yorktown 2

[barren tapir]

kearsarge?

[sweet delta]

Still fritz with no other context

[dusty gulch]

I do normally take the fast ones but took some C yesterday and got 2 30 minute Q missions in a row right after and thought it changed something. lol

[keen sable]

Not how specials work

[barren tapir]

its just rng. pick Q G D as generally good researches i forgot what else

[sweet delta]

Did I mess up

[barren tapir]

what is suchi cooking

[dreamy blade]

i can never remember the letters all i know is i take rigging analysis/grant donation/faces

[barren tapir]

thats exactly Q G D LOL

[bold cove]

I got 1 last night

[turbid marsh]

at least sushi can log on 2 days later eh?

[keen sable]

Paranoia. Gotta be prepared for those times you can't play for 40.5 hours due to "external" factors

[dreamy blade]

theres also the fact that you can just not have a research running for 6hours while you wait for reset, and that would be better than taking an 8/12hr basic

[dusty gulch]

Also I got 2UR guns from 1 C mission I think it was. The 1/2 hr Q's never drop them it feels like.

[barren tapir]

he already did that

[sweet delta]

Oh

[dreamy blade]

that dish isnt cooking it's already been served

[barren tapir]

counterpoint: cant login again until 6hr after reset

[sweet delta]

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[barren tapir]

suchi goat as usual

[sharp socket]

id rather take good researches and have it finished 4 hours before maint over than bad researches that can last an entire day

[storm heron]

w15 made easy

[dreamy blade]

w15 purple gear and ships only when

[viscid swift]

he already did IB only

[barren tapir]

im kinda curious to see gold ships and gold gear +10 only

[storm heron]

w15 purple ship only probably gonna be even more difficult

[keen sable]

less what was it addiction to research uptime = more quality content to consume

[storm heron]

anyways time to watch the clear

[barren tapir]

or purple ship only but allow base purple gold retros too, gold +10 gear only

[sweet delta]

I don't have a +10 hedgehog

[viscid swift]

that would be like
Daisen, Unicorn, Aquila, Yat Sen, pre retro Sandy, Ning Hai
Boss: Owari, Enterprise, Saratoga/Independence, Anchorage, Shimanto, Jeanne

[barren tapir]

*except hedgehog then, im not cruel

[sweet delta]

Am I bricked

[wind hazel]

yes make new account

[barren tapir]

hedgehog can be +13

[sharp socket]

w15 with my fleet to give me hope

[dusky narwhal]

should I just buy it??

[sweet delta]

What else is in the shop

[worldly cairn]

i saw tenrai

[dusky narwhal]

29 prints of tenrai but it's not enough to get one right now and I'm focusing PR4 to get closer

[sweet delta]

and how much protocore do you have

[dusky narwhal]

but I have just enough to complete hindenburg

[worldly cairn]

so u can buy 26 print

[dusky narwhal]

1575

[sweet delta]

how many of these guns do you have?

as long as you didn't watch kimo's video about hinden gun, you're fine

[keen sable]

Should move on from 4. Tenrai isn't worth it.

[dusky narwhal]

and I have not seen a kimo vid in ages 😭

I haven't seen that last gun I don't think

[sweet delta]

then you can buy the hindenburg gun if you're not going to do PR6 focus any time soon

you can craft it. It's from PR6. But don't need to craft it until you need it

[dusky narwhal]

probably not from a few months because I wanna complete my 3rd geo gun and finish 3rd tenrai

[stark quiver]

what did kimo say this time

[sweet delta]

he says hinden gun sucks and drake gun better

[stark quiver]

what the heck

[dusky narwhal]

also Im close to a ply gun so I might try for that too before I actually try to get dev30 hindenburg and kearsarge

[viscid swift]

what a joke

[sweet delta]

stop jumping around, stick to one season and max the ships. If you maxed the ships and are close to the UR gear, then stay a little longer

[stark quiver]

just pr5 gear focus for like a few weeks, then go do some pr7

we have catchup for pr6 anyways

[dusky narwhal]

I haven't even started PR7

[sweet delta]

we have a hero @remote yarrow in the comments though

[stark quiver]

my goat

[sharp socket]

does scanning valentine gift remove it from my inventory

[viscid swift]

this I gotta see

[dusky narwhal]

which DR?

[sweet delta]

doesn't matter

[stark quiver]

doesnt rly matter

[dusty gulch]

both

[stark quiver]

smoothie cooking with that comment

[remote yarrow]

[storm heron]

This is clearly shameless Clickbait LMFAO

"This Gun is Bad" refuses to actually explain why or give data to prove it
"I THINK Drake Gun it's slightly better" and "It's for Medium Armor I THINK", dude's not even sure about what's he's saying and then again doesn't give a reason why or provide any proof
"Drake gun is much more Accesible" yes of course, you only need to Stay in PR3 2~3 months for it's Blueprints or Craft it on Gear Lab with 6 T3 Ordnances which are extremely rare

I'm not saying that Drake gun is bad, it's a really good gun for General content but saying that Hinden Gun is bad is just spreading misinformation, it's perfectly fine to get and not a waste of Protocore at all

for those who wants to see what's going on without giving views

[stark quiver]

i gave him a view

[sweet delta]

better ask some gph questions quick

[viscid swift]

uhh, at what point does stacking more FP on Honolulu become worse than stacking hit

[barren tapir]

so is hinden gun bad?

[sweet delta]

i believe lars calc can handle a straight damage calculation like this

[viscid swift]

good point actually

[sharp socket]

to me hinden gun is just like drake gun in the sense that i dont need it cause i dont have a good CA to use it on, only anchorage who doesnt do much damage to begin with so i guess i agree with kimo? though if someone does have a good CA to use it with its good cause rainbow and kind of free

[jaunty vault]

you agree that hinden gun is bad?

[barren tapir]

probably means not worth the cost due to niche use, not bad?

[sharp socket]

its worse to pick up than tenrai, plygun, 457

[left cedar]

GPH hot time

[barren tapir]

but is it worse to pick up than drekgun

[keen sable]

ca bad

[sharp socket]

id say equal probably

[left cedar]

for general purpose 234 > SKC

[barren tapir]

ahh, so both guns r bad

[stark quiver]

It doesn’t cost t3s

[sharp socket]

drake gun is in protocore too

[left cedar]

234 itsgeneral use, L, M and H
SKC its more focused into M and H

[viscid swift]

his reasoning is just nonexistent and calling it "the biggest scam of 2025" in his thumbnail is just

[stark quiver]

Damn bro ca gun discussion and no one brings in unzen gun

[keen sable]

There's a case for skc in Piercing light

[storm heron]

me when suchi did better with purple gears than I did with wyverns and UR AAs

[barren tapir]

2025 hasnt even been out long