gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

my newbie progression was a bit...... different then the new gens these days

[viscid swift]

are you only farming with high morale bonus or?

[bold stream]

Hello all. I got another question.. which is more priority fs5 fdg or mlb aegir?

[night marsh]

helo i came again, can i get old meta ships?

[stark quiver]

its been a month since ive actually farmed for tech

[dreamy blade]

what dev is your agir? fdg fs5 lets you run her off flag

[viscid swift]

no I mean will you only be farming with your ships when they're above 120 morale for +20% XP

[stark quiver]

no
i farm until im out of oil usually

[viscid swift]

okay that's gonna cut progress a bit then

[stark quiver]

interesting

[bold stream]

This is my aegir...

[elfin hollow]

How do I get stephan

[viscid swift]

from the guild shop

[nimble knoll]

If only.. I can get more levels- (I've been farming 6-4/hm of the event and it's been slow)

[sweet delta]

how many days until hwah jah skill maxed

[dreamy blade]

if you use fdg then get her fs5 first imo, assuming thats dev25 (if it's 20 then get her d25 first)

[undone plover]

put her in dorm overnight
every bit helps
and pick her for overnight comms (the 6-8 hour ones)

[tender girder]

when is the next decent banner to pull from?

[bold stream]

I am trying to use them both..?

[nimble knoll]

I've done the dorm one, I putted her on the dorm ever since I got her

[dreamy blade]

agir is already useable at dev25, backline fate sim is more impactful

[viscid swift]

4 days I think if you rainbow it with no down time

[undone plover]

end of february most likely new UR banner

[barren tapir]

1500 oil monthly login
310 net oil daily missions * 30
2900 oil weekly missions * 4
4000 weekly oil pack * 4
5000 event oil shop (1 base, might have 2 depending on month)
2304 canteen * 30
800 extraction comm * 30
500 night comm * 30
500 urgent comm * 30

total oil = ~166000

ships need 2115000 exp if not DR/UR. for 15 ships, 31725000 exp

assuming 20% morale bonus, S rank, flag doesnt mvp, and exp fleet doesnt fight boss, and average only 2 star nodes.

each 12-1 run gives total exp of 53460 per run for 296 oil

166000 oil gets you 561 runs giving 29991060 total exp under listed parameters.

conclusion: not enough, but if flag mvps and/or exp fleet fights boss, assuming equal exp distribution, and maybe slightly higher oil gain, definitely a possibility.

[dreamy blade]

just c1 grind the rest

[stark quiver]

text wall

[barren tapir]

12 per month seems basically guaranteed, 15 seems reasonable with some luck or optimization

[viscid swift]

so without 20% morale bonus it definitely fails

[stark quiver]

thank

[barren tapir]

and of course if you use opsi it will help too

[stark quiver]

i still cant grinding tech yet
gimme like a week or two more

[barren tapir]

also this calc entirely ignores doing event stages but assumes you acquire the shop oil via event tasks, so not entirely reasonable. D3 exp is worse efficiency than 12-1, so...

[nimble knoll]

Is my Yk2 Gear good? (This is the best I can put on her and we don't talk about the augmentation.. I did something dumb)

[undone plover]

tbf u dont need to waste boss fleet xp
can put 4 ships to get xp there
but it is minimal gain anyway

[viscid swift]

You would be surprised, it definitely adds up

[barren tapir]

yeah true with boss fleet added the exp does go up nicely. cancels out via need to run d3 imo

[viscid swift]

Like The 2nd almost reaches 120 before getting to 100 affinitybecause she kept MvPing in the boss fleet

[undone plover]

d3 xp is good actually
it is the gold that sux

[barren tapir]

personally i havent cared to maximize exp since i do c1 and have cog issues atm tho

still slightly worse than 12-1 exp tho i believe

[dreamy blade]

i would probably just use another helldiver instead of that skyraider...it's already slow and only being +5 doesnt help, 30sec airstrikes is a little concerning

[barren tapir]

one moment i will math it

[undone plover]

yeah it is worse but not like the gold

[jaunty glade]

I just realized I can turn my data packs into cores, I’ve saved up all 1-5. What should I spend it all on, is there a priority list?

[nimble knoll]

I don't have another helldiver

[ivory pawn]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[dreamy blade]

put your helldiver in the 2nd slot and a purple hellcat in the 3rd slot then

[ivory pawn]

Usually 2-3 Champy (gold BB gun) then Tenrai.

[tender girder]

how do you farm gold?
since i started doing research... it's been draining my money non-stop

[carmine heath]

Is a gold btd1 better than a helldiver?

[dreamy blade]

grinding 12-4 when there isnt an event to farm (like right now)

[nimble knoll]

This then?

[dreamy blade]

it works

[stark quiver]

problem is, i still need to grind affinity for, nakh,fritz,sashi,alsace and zwei
u think i can knock that out before next weekend?

[barren tapir]

so 12-1 is 53460 total exp per run with 20% morale, S rank, no flag mvp, no boss fight, average 2* node

D3 is 40921 total exp per run with the same conditions but ofc 3 sirens then 3 2* nodes.

12-1 is 180.6 exp/oil, D3 is 153.26 exp/oil

[jaunty glade]

I don’t see gold guns in the proto shop?

[barren tapir]

12-1 pulls a bit further ahead i think if both fight the boss. one moment

[nimble knoll]

Should I +10 the corsair?

[eternal moth]

The guns themselves aren't, you have to buy gear blueprints

[undone plover]

one thing u can do is try and go farm SP5 map of passionate polaris in war archive
if u are already doing 15 runs of hard mode for this event
dont farm 6-4 imo
any oil cap is better than that
idk if that is where u are farming atm so sry if wrong

[eternal moth]

Series prints can be converted to prints for that series' gear

[jaunty glade]

So does 1 bp mean 1 piece of gear? Or do I buy out the series?

[nimble knoll]

I was farming 6-4 then switched to hm of the event, but I'll do what you said

[dreamy blade]

+10 the helldiver first, also minor thing but swap the corsair and hellcat you want the stronger plane in the stronger slot

[eternal moth]

1 BP = 1 BP

[nimble knoll]

Alright

[barren tapir]

12-1 = 65297 (220.6)
D3 = 49140 (184.0)

ratio of efficiency, 12-1 went from 17.84% more efficient to 19.89% more efficient hypothesis confirmed

[eternal moth]

You typically need 25 prints to make one piece of gold gear

[jaunty glade]

Ahhhhhh ok

[jaunty glade]

So using that priority guide, it would take me roughly 3 months to get 3 copies of that gear because I need to wait until shop refreshes?

Ty!

[barren tapir]

it's safe to +10 but didnt you need some plane plates for uni

[undone plover]

so it is actually quite close to the gold difference
I guess u dont feel the xp hurt tho

[nimble knoll]

I have more universal t3 parts so I can use sum

[barren tapir]

d3 is easier usually can run lower lvl ships which helps compensate

[undone plover]

well tbf I was also comparing to 12-4 back in the day
I almost never ran 12-1

[stark quiver]

also any ideas?

[dreamy blade]

the corsair is fine but it's also easily replaceable while the helldiver is not, but yeah there isnt really any need to go beyond +6 for anything for where youre currently at

[barren tapir]

12-4 shouldnt be much worse than 12-1 but i admit im a big 12-1 shill cos it's easier than 12-4 and i dont really notice the coin diff

[unborn owl]

should i pull these new ship or just skip it?

[barren tapir]

12-4 could be better for medals i guess... but also im trying not to obtain extra ships XD

[nimble knoll]

This is the best I can give my Yk2 and she needs about 17 more levels to MLB so

[barren tapir]

corsair turns into flapjack making it very safe to +10 if the bonus would help them, but yeah dont + anything til you need it

[undone plover]

as long as she isnt dying and making the run A that is fine
if she does then just carry her with sth or ditch her till she has more levels

[barren tapir]

didnt u say yk2 was helping to carry the fleet lol, power of UR i guess

[dreamy blade]

well you get the plates back but not all the coins

[keen sable]

that doesn't mean you should +10 a corsair instead of a hellcat...

[barren tapir]

yeah but by the time you look into flaps coin isnt much of an issue, anyway it's just if the +10 would help, it's safe. dont rush it either

[nimble knoll]

Yup, with Nelson I was having a really hard time beating the hm of event, but when I used yk2 it became somewhat easier cuz plane spam lmao-

[nimble knoll]

It's a purple hellcat-

[barren tapir]

i would +10 a corsair over purple hellcat 100 out of 100 times

[keen sable]

ur good. totally shocked

[keen sable]

the gold one on uni

[dreamy blade]

i dunno about that, i have 5 flapjacks and am perpetually broke on coins

[barren tapir]

i regret my upgraded purple hellcats

[nimble knoll]

I'll do it once I retro her

[barren tapir]

one more than me and i have a good hunk of coins, weirdge

[keen sable]

that just proves my point

[nimble knoll]

What's a higher priority retro uni or +10 the gold hellcat on her?

[barren tapir]

im not flooded in riches or anything but im comfy on coins currently tbh

new event daily is good efficiency and then rest of the oil goes to high coin maps so

[keen sable]

retro uni

[undone plover]

are u not coining DRs?

[dreamy blade]

10.2k per day

[nimble knoll]

I should farm this for levels right?

[keen sable]

and uhh maybe maybe not. might want to check ILD D1 first

[undone plover]

yes
I would still prioritize the event
but farming this is better than any chapter before 9 in main story

[sweet delta]

medium

[nimble knoll]

Takes too long and I can't Auto it.. And I'm a lazy person so this would be better for me-

[mellow cape]

What is that pink ship

[sweet delta]

/wiki theseuse

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Theseus
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Theseus/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Theseus/Gallery

Jan 18, 2025, 3:57 AM

[undone plover]

well event gives rewards so worth farming
but I guess no harm farming this for a few days then going back to event later when u can auto it

[sweet delta]

with 1 other ship and not a double la9, so it's basically confirmed that hwah jah is 3 in MDmg

[mellow cape]

Who are the top 2

[unborn owl]

what event is that?

[undone plover]

war archive passionate polaris

[nimble knoll]

It's not an event

[undone plover]

it is a very old event that is now "perma" in war archive

[undone plover]

is ILD better for gold? cuz looks like it is worse for xp

[keen sable]

it's way better for both...

[undone plover]

also can save a lot of oil running 1 backline and 1 frontline till u reach the SP4 and SP5
no need to use full fleet on sp1-3 it is too easy and u will waste a lot of oil

[rapid grail]

sasuga chuugoku

[unborn owl]

name?

[keen sable]

PP

[undone plover]

#gameplay-help message

[keen sable]

why?

[unborn owl]

-_-

[nimble knoll]

I was about to ask if I should do that but should I use yk2 instead of uni just so she gets Xp?

[undone plover]

she should work but costs more oil
I would just use unicorn
she also needs the xp

although unique is saying there is another event with better rewards in the war archive

are the shoes worth it

anyway this is still miles better than farming ch6 and u will get a decent auxiliary gear from it
so still worth imo

[unborn owl]

does enty - yk2 - kearsarge sill worth it in this event?

[keen sable]

hard is not hard

[unborn owl]

not hard, ex

[barren tapir]

i might...not really like any of the coinable drs enough to put them in my dock yet

[keen sable]

not particularly. they're kind of cheap.

[undone plover]

drake and azuma are 3k protocore each
so is FdG if u dont want to rush her

[barren tapir]

i'd say yes as poor mans rudder it's not bad. tho not worth rushing either

[rapid grail]

pvp gamer opinion, it's worse prowler lol. but back in the day, it was good. gave eva and some very helpful speed for slow CA/CB tanks
it was to the point where i would lament and despair for not being there on the OG run bu about a month or two

[undone plover]

yeah I was trying to remember if I used it in my early days but iirc I got it super late so was wondering

[rapid grail]

Get it if you like. Having basically free AND good gear gated behind WA is obviously good for your ships

[barren tapir]

i still use it as rudder substitute along with prowler and tag

i dont think its must have but its comfy

[forest palm]

wouldn't you know it, you have the potential to farm Rudders this Raid

[rapid grail]

PR seasons

[barren tapir]

Spring Fashion Festa Hard Reward Runs 30
Rudder Prints 1
Prints per Run 0.0333
Spring Fashion Festa Hard Runs 30
Rudder Prints 0
Prints per Run 0.0000

so about that...

[elfin hollow]

For the UR exchange should I get New Jersey ulrich kron or shimakaze

[undone plover]

~~raid farming is worse than no bug hvar farming ~~

[barren tapir]

i bet abyssal refrain better, also kiev is cute, im gonna go for her soon

[nimble knoll]

What ship has the highest performance stats?

[rapid grail]

got shinano alr? sounds like you did. NJ is next best option; for your BB comps, permanent or not as a beginner

[stark quiver]

against?

[dreamy blade]

was gonna say...why farm poverty rudder when rudder is farmable in WA

[barren tapir]

im probably just really unlucky but i definitely dont wanna go all out on this. ill just keep doing 15 reward + 15 noreward per day for data collection lol

[forest palm]

really though you farm the Raid for affection, especially sub affection

[nimble knoll]

Overall, what ship has the highest performance stats like A in every stat or smt

[keen sable]

you're right the xp is slightly better in SP5 because cost limit is 22 vs 29. but the morale per xp is higher and the coins IS lower. I wouldn't expect D1 for very long though. D2 and D3 should fall in line pretty quickly. Also if you're maximizing data keys and HELP D maps are going to be better.

[barren tapir]

because 1 is cheaper and guaranteed, sp5 is 174 oil and d3 is 267, assuming u dont 1:1

[stark quiver]

thats a bad metric, if ur talking abt the stat hex

[nimble knoll]

I just wanna know

[plain saffron]

have you tried farming gold gear from stages

[stark quiver]

no ship has an A in every stat

[little tree]

It depends on content for ships

[dreamy blade]

yes i farmed an extra hvar

[keen sable]

how quickly they forget

[barren tapir]

guaranteed is better than hvar rates

[rapid grail]

is it possible for ships to get affinity from these raid events?

[nimble knoll]

Sadge..

[barren tapir]

just ez math using my 1:1 stuff...33-35k oil per rudder oooor 10440 oil per single sadly cosmic kick

[forest palm]

this is the event type to farm sub affection

[barren tapir]

pretty much a nobrainer...and thats why i did kicks first lol

[stark quiver]

as I just said, the stat hex is useless

[plain saffron]

even if there's one with all A, why would a CV wants FP stats

[barren tapir]

hides rumey

[carmine heath]

fritz

[rapid grail]

nice, this is the time to farm my sub affinities for the JP alt

[barren tapir]

but she lacks torps

[plain saffron]

and how useful is the FP to fritz

[unborn owl]

does fritz really good ship?

[barren tapir]

only ones i know about with all is like...bearn, bearnm, eagle?

[rapid grail]

shirakami fubuki, surcouf

[unborn owl]

loadout?

[nimble knoll]

ik.. It's useless, but it would be cool-

[barren tapir]

boosts her ca gun which is actually decent supplementary damage so id say quite nice?

also a bunch of her barrage scales off fp

[plain saffron]

fair enough but still you want AVI/HIT over FP for her

[barren tapir]

ofc yeah, only talking base stats

[plain saffron]

also fubuki somehow have D in HP and AA, i expected her to be close to all A

[carmine heath]

what does z46 do and should I continue leveling her? Shes currently in what I plan to be a mobbing fleet

[rapid grail]

deez nuts

[stark quiver]

crazy

[barren tapir]

good 120 tech, decent but not great gold dd mobber

[nimble knoll]

Once the event % hits 50% I can get Uni to modernization, but I still need 3 more gold retro blueprints

[barren tapir]

she has decent aa for a dd, nothing particularly noteworthy but it exists, might be relevant to kms fleet lovers altho z52 exists now

i used her for a while, she did her part but is now benched

[dreamy blade]

decent aa but only with her aug

[carmine heath]

get out your wallet

[keen sable]

sara wishes she had some bigger firepower

[nimble knoll]

Nuh🙂
I'll stay F2P

[barren tapir]

but hers scales from avi

[plain saffron]

can you even get gold retro bp with money

[carmine heath]

presumably with enough hard work and dedication

[barren tapir]

if you can buy medals for money then yes else no

[plain saffron]

outside using it to gacha then get medal then buy from medal shop

[undone plover]

u are checking the guild shop right?
has a chance to give retro BP
and u can 3 star some hard maps for guarenteed ones

[forest palm]

not like whaling does much for you in the long term

[barren tapir]

i repeat, go 3 star ch5 uwu

[nimble knoll]

Should I do that or Level up my ships first?

[barren tapir]

oh yeah..i made her aug

[nimble knoll]

And yup I am

[barren tapir]

well ch5 easy and youll get exp from it anyway

then you can do 5-4 hm for gold bp

[nimble knoll]

Then I would need 1 more..

[undone plover]

u have to turn off clearing mode to 3 star hard maps after u clear em once

[zenith heron]

Which CV Boss Fleet is currently the most flexible and how it can be compared to the rest of the top CV Fleets?

[barren tapir]

after you get them to 100% clear \

[dreamy blade]

theres no such thing as a flexible boss fleet

[barren tapir]

probably nakh rumey amagi?

[forest palm]

Doing Raid Hard would be more productive than campaign right now

[barren tapir]

cn rate it at least top 3 vs all armors iirc...

they have to manual it and bps for uni are important imo

[zenith heron]

Just Curious, because I saw someone saying the Soyuz comp seems more flexible, but I am doubtful of it...

[stark quiver]

soy,nakh,fritz can do both med and light

cannot watch ijn's power

[barren tapir]

someone posted a pic but idk who

[zenith heron]

Thanks for this, but I meant to all 3 Armor types but I guess its subjective...

[stark quiver]

what boss

[plain saffron]

use BB if you want flexible

just change guns

[carmine heath]

apparently you wont run into many light armoured bosses

but having the hvars is still nice because every 20 seconds you get to see half the screen blocked by missiles

[nimble knoll]

Should I use mail oil cuz I have 310 oil left-

[zenith heron]

Like I said, against any armor, hence I asked Flexible...

BB sure are flexible

Just wondering if there is one currently for CVs without changing too much on the CVs...

Sadly I have no Nyakhimov, so I stick to the Amagi comp...

[carmine heath]

save mail oil for (important) events

[stark quiver]

just use 3 ijn and change planes

[carmine heath]

this event doesnt qualify as important btw

[nimble knoll]

[south sequoia]

Shinano/amagi/implac is your next best bet

[nimble knoll]

I was just going to use it so I can 3* world 5

[rigid onyx]

BBs aren't as 'flexible' because there's no good guns with good heavy mods

[carmine heath]

do that with your regularly generated canteen oil

[barren tapir]

ideally save oil in mail cos it's great last resort but if it'd get you a nice progress boost dont be too afraid to use it, either

[zenith heron]

Also vs medium, I heard someone says its quite ok to use Tenrai on Amagi than Skyraider vs Medium or am I tripping bcs it might be about timing, considering I heard La 9 preference over Skyraider on Amagi comp vs Medium

[barren tapir]

i did admittedly use last maints mail oil already, to 3* ch13 to get 6 more core data yes i was impatient, but i wanted to reach the goal, so it felt worth for me. so basically weigh your options and how much that oil will help you progress now vs maybe coming in clutch later, and pick on that

[carmine heath]

I dont think campaign progress is really all that important

[barren tapir]

campaign no...but uni retro yes

[south sequoia]

Its important up until w12, w13 - w15 is challenge runs and for gems

[barren tapir]

also unlocking opsi as fast as possible can also be argued...

[nimble knoll]

Too slow-

[carmine heath]

Oh opsi yep

[south sequoia]

Im not sure about unlocking opsi as fast as possible considering the ship requirements and levels

[carmine heath]

Never really noticed a difference for the campaign maps (Except oil caps on 9+ yippee yay) because my ships got disgustingly overleveled during yk2

[south sequoia]

Did they change the level reqs? It was way higher back then though im seeing even newbies access it fine

[carmine heath]

its lvl 60 commander iirc

[south sequoia]

Not commander lvl, ship level

[carmine heath]

ship levels are 74-94 for the earlier stages

[south sequoia]

There used to be an average ship lvl req

[nimble knoll]

I mean my ships are like 20 to 10 levels higher than most of the campaign I can access..

[carmine heath]

I dont think theres a lvl req anymore

[undone plover]

i think by the time u hit commander level 60 u will have level 100+ ships

[south sequoia]

The 4 fleets issue with an average level req is what I was referring to.

[nimble knoll]

I mean my Uni is lvl 97 and I'm commander level 47

[carmine heath]

Finally got the sixth dorm slot

millions must sleep

[nimble knoll]

The Yk2 event really boosted my levels-

Also how many dorm expansions do I need to buy to get floor two of the dorms?

[zenith heron]

buy all of it, then buy the 3rd dorm slot, then the 2nd floor...

buying the rest of the dorm slots is basically saying to be broke for the next free gems given

[nimble knoll]

I'm here, and I do not have enough decor tokens

[carmine heath]

?

[zenith heron]

wait till you get some decorations again, commissions can be your best pick to get some decor coins, other than that you wait at dorm for you to get some

[barren tapir]

lvl80 but that's pretty reasonable

[zenith heron]

2nd floor won't give you slots for ships that gain EXP but instead more MORALE

[barren tapir]

and while you eventually (like in ch2 story?) need 4 fleets filled you only need 1 or 2 with total levels >480

[carmine heath]

is that why the warning is there

[barren tapir]

oh ur quite a ways from unlocking opsi, rip

[zenith heron]

yeah, but its a good investment, especially when you are grinding alot

[carmine heath]

Because if thats all the warning is for im going to cry

[plain saffron]

yes though the desc kinda misleading

[barren tapir]

i suggested it cos it helps to have smth to do when low in oil

[nimble knoll]

Yup

[carmine heath]

Number one issue during yk2 was morale and oil

[plain saffron]

it sounds like it does nothing at all

[barren tapir]

EN translation moment, or is it like that in cn/jp?

[zenith heron]

yeah, newbies do not know how great of a resource oil is

its basically your oil and cubes that get drained fast, coins if you did not save well though

[nimble knoll]

Should I 1:1 world 5 cuz I'm low on oil

[barren tapir]

tbf not like u can do that much to boost oil really

[last zenith]

Which one is much better?

[river junco]

rainbow gun (higher fp stat)

[carmine heath]

unlimited microtransactions

[zenith heron]

its easily the right, left is just more accessible...

[barren tapir]

i mean without gems

so spend ur oils wisely

[wide dome]

From the new years character selector thing, I'm currently looking at Taihou vs. Theseus vs. Chen Hai. Are any of these 3 actually good?

[barren tapir]

chen hai good tech, taihou theseus ok tech, average gold cvs

[zenith heron]

also the Morale given difference of the 2nd dorm slot was +10 compared to the 1st floor, which isn't much but you'll notice the difference while you wait...

[nimble knoll]

I just do event and campaign and it gets used quickly.. It's been two days of the event and I've spent 9332 oil-

[undone plover]

Campaign prolly drained your oil
No oil cap has that effect

[barren tapir]

i dont like it cos then my mobfleet has different morale and i wait on the bottom floor anyway

[carmine heath]

I have 103 oil, this will be enough for all my planned activities for the next 3 microseconds

[nimble knoll]

I mean I was using 67 oil per fight.. So that's 335 or more oil per clear-

[barren tapir]

get on my level i spent like 13k oils yesterday

[zenith heron]

its kind of fair considering one gives exp and morale, and the other has no exp but more morale,

so we deal with it

[nimble knoll]

What's ur commander level?

[barren tapir]

sadly pushing campaign is extremely oil costly >.<

[tender girder]

i see Chang Chun and Tai Yuan being Tier 0 in the community tier list. Why shouldn't we get it from teh guild shop?

[zenith heron]

especially if you haven't progressed anything yet,

and they say grinding drains your oil, just faster but so does progressing campaign normally...

[barren tapir]

you should

[nimble knoll]

Two more hours and I can finally finish the hard Newcomer quests and I can start going to get Enty with the Examn quests

[barren tapir]

assuming you already have the basics like unicorn and helena etc and have the guild coins to do so

[carmine heath]

even I havent done those

[barren tapir]

tai yuan better would prioritize her or just dont cos we get fu shun free very soon

[nimble knoll]

Damn

[sweet delta]

Because fu shun's retrofit item is free in a few days

[barren tapir]

yeah good to save spec core, you dont need all ddgs per se

[late flame]

or skip the minigame and find out its not free later

[undone plover]

They need retrofit and special gear to get to t0
Which costs a lot of special currency
Not the best idea for beginners
But at some point u can and should get em

[sweet delta]

Also tier 0 is hyperinflated

[carmine heath]

its mostly because im neglecting portland and indy for better ships

[barren tapir]

ectl dd tiering is a mess

tho tbf regardless ddgs would be on the higher end of it

[nimble knoll]

Luckily I'm still new so I'm using/leveling Portland.. But not indy

[barren tapir]

indianapolis she cute tho..

[carmine heath]

oh good I have a mlb indy because I didnt listen to any advice when I was new

[nimble knoll]

Lmao

[barren tapir]

well you do want her mlb for memento gems but, usually later on since bulins are better used earlier

wait did hers give gems idk

[carmine heath]

yeah

[zenith heron]

me comparing Poi Kai to Shimakaze, and chooses the former to my friend who actually asks me opinions in the game was my worst decision ever

[tender girder]

which war archive do i farm to get 7 KMS vanguards to unlock roon in shipyard?

[lucid hamlet]

wasnt it the chessboard one

[zenith heron]

Divergent Chessboard is for KMS Fleet Tech, that and only that, which is exactly what ya need for PR/DR grinding Roon or someone like FDG

[sweet delta]

It was the chessboard one

It still is the chessboard one

[nimble knoll]

These are just annoying to do.. For the Exam Quests..

[sweet delta]

I'm sure #al-general would be quite more eager to read your blog than #gameplay-help

[barren tapir]

they wont be, but at least there you don't risk modbonking

[nimble knoll]

After Uni's retro i should focus on my starters retro right?

[sharp socket]

does murm drop from WA

[barren tapir]

according to wiki probably not?

yeah nope, cos she construction ship only

[tender girder]

and i suppose we should be bringing 1 ship if possible... to reduce oil cost right?

[sharp socket]

guess i have a WW target

[zenith heron]

its basically Uni > Starter > Portland > Helena

Correct me if I am wrong

[barren tapir]

basically but also push helena back for any other retro if you have one (at least until quite a bit into opsi)

[zenith heron]

if your fleet will handle it then yes, yet again hard mode exists in that WA which limits your ship requirements from 1:1 to really using a fleet

[barren tapir]

her retro would never take precedence over ships like nelson and sara and indep, if you're using those

[jade maple]

Are there any way to disassemble/delete special gears?

[elfin hollow]

chat did I screwed up? used the analyze stuff to build this

[plain saffron]

kinda, but not end of the world. you can get more of it again

[elfin hollow]

i'm thinking on slapping it to Nelson

[plain saffron]

bad ones use as exp on other augment, good ones craft up to purple

[zenith heron]

you kinda did, its a niche usable gun...

just make sure ya got your Champagne guns first and those UR equips before doing the hell ya want....

[elfin hollow]

crap. The purple had better stats XD

[plain saffron]

idr if mk6 or that better at +10, iirc mk6?

[barren tapir]

was that monarch gun?

iirc yeah, monarch gun only beats mk6 at +13 which...kek

[soft raft]

yes that's Monarch gun
Which is only better than the 406 Mk6 at +13

[barren tapir]

also dont waste protocore on pr1 gear...

[elfin hollow]

so the only salvation was upgrading it to 13?

[barren tapir]

massive waste of resources, that'd turn it from a small-ish fuck up to a major one

[zenith heron]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[barren tapir]

gold plates are scarce you REALLY want to use them pretty carefully

[zenith heron]

try following this next time @elfin hollow

[plain saffron]

i should add easy comparison page

[nimble knoll]

Are the planes Uni spawns just for AA/Other Planes or does the plane she spawns do something else? (Not with her skill just the planes she spawns at intervals or smt)

[zenith heron]

just stay where it is, either upgraded on +10

bcs that purple mk6 is your best HE gun for anything till ya get the Mk7 UR BB Gun

[plain saffron]

almost all fighter and some TB have intercept, they launch on their own with their own cd and do only AA yes

[elfin hollow]

okay given that I don't have a PR ship yet and I have a weird ahh gun at my disposal, I'd say lesson learned XD

but I can recover the lost proto cores in the future right? IDK how I even got those

[nimble knoll]

I see

[zenith heron]

to be fair, its best to use analyze all PR/DR boosters and some PR/DR Blueprints as long as you have enough to Dev30 and FS5 them chosen ships (some are coinable which gives you less of a hustle)...

Bcs Protocores are also hard to earn tbh....

[barren tapir]

you can get more yes, it's a renewable resource, however outside big bursts early on from various places (catchups if used smartly, and pr1-pr6 newbie missions) income is very slow until you begin finishing full seasons

[elfin hollow]

I'm currently doing research on proto gear but I'm having a hard time checking one for PR1

for St. Louie the french, should I stick to what I have (purple guns) or there's a priority I should focus on?

[merry sequoia]

is the dormitory still having a visual bug or is that just the emulator

[whole crypt]

the best gun for Saint Louis is event limited
the next best guns are basically all lab at this point
just stick to this for now

[cobalt gate]

so the drop chart is if i have bonus right

[sharp token]

who should i mlb here? or should i wait for next UR?

[tender girder]

is there any sense in picking San Diego over enterprise or hood... for the exame reward?

[sweet delta]

depends on your ships

and medal shop

[dusk niche]

Anyone test out Chien Wu? I wanna know how well she fares in the META

[sweet delta]

nobody has her skills close to maxed

but her DPS and tankiness are both predictable

[dusk niche]

Yea... She just came out so no one knows unfortunately

[dusk niche]

whoa where did this come from

[barren tapir]

those rates sound like cope but technically accurate i guess

[sweet delta]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[sweet delta]

the second one

[sweet delta]

cope or accurate, which is it

[dusk niche]

Thank you!

[plain saffron]

doesn't that mean using ticket on EX is more rudder bp

[granite rain]

Just got below 50% on the event, but didn't get my retrofit blueprints?

[wind hazel]

you collect them in one go when event ends, i think

at least that's how i remember it worked or i was dreaming

[unique lantern]

class slot opened up and i dont have anyone left i play, anything here i should book up or save books?

[faint jacinth]

wait... agir coinable now?

[plain saffron]

all reward sent after it hits 0

[granite rain]

Mommy time

I know what I said

[nimble knoll]

... So you can't get it rn.. Only when it hits 0..

[plain saffron]

only take few days anyway

[nimble knoll]

Welp it's going to take me too much time to retro uni.. Gawd damn it

[granite rain]

What role does agir fill normally? Off tank?

[wind hazel]

main tank

[barren tapir]

accurate when i ignore my feelings and cope when i think about my lack of prints

[granite rain]

Since she's coinable should I just go for her over Anchorage then?

[wind hazel]

either one works

[barren tapir]

you probably want both, and you can also coin both together

[granite rain]

Problem for me is I can't even research Anchorage yet LMAO

[barren tapir]

anchorage will be done faster too

oh well in that case just go agir and maybe do avp too at the same time, if you havent yet

[granite rain]

But I can research Agir. Lots of Iron Blood

[barren tapir]

agir build first, then avp, cos agir will take more time at 10 bps/day

[main stag]

Guys are the stars in opsi permanent?

[barren tapir]

actually same if we count avp fs5, but agir would be better to have sooner imo

[main stag]

Yay thanks

[granite rain]

I'm finishing up FDG right now, then I'll go Agir into AVP

About done with her, just a little more exp

[craggy hemlock]

which rainbow BB should have prio on admiralty fire control table, have it on musashi rn debating between her or zwei

[barren tapir]

oh if you havent finished fdg yet, maybe go avp first, since youd be coining up fdg then agir after since she would likely wait until you d30 fdg

[granite rain]

Yeaahhhhhh, my struggle right now is that I am still using Portland retro. It feels REAL bad

[nimble knoll]

If you get enough blueprints for a ship, can you can just Make it or something?

[granite rain]

You use them for development in the shipyard

[wind hazel]

blueprints are like bulin for shipyard ships

they need blueprints to "limit break"

[nimble knoll]

Oh.. Then I would need more Iron Blood Tech Points Then..

[granite rain]

The flow chart is get tech points for ship you want in shipyard, start researching them, finish all the bars on the right side that open up, then use blueprints to max limit break them, then finish fate simulator to fully power them up

[tender girder]

These are my notable characters.

1. Should I just pick yat sen for event ticket?
2. For exam newbie event, enterprise, hood, or san diego?

[nimble knoll]

So the blueprints I have of Agir won't be useful until I get enough iron blood Tech points and do allat..

[nimble knoll]

Enterprise imo, she's still good cuz of her skill

[wind hazel]

take hood from your medal shop, get enterprise

[granite rain]

Basically, yes. It also takes a long time to even get to the point where you can use the blueprints. You need a lot of gold retrofits and millions of exp using main fleet ships from same faction

[zenith heron]

pretty much, every PR/DR needs a certain amount of Tech Points before you can proceed to research, and then that is where the Blueprints matters

[tender girder]

and what about event ticket?

[zenith heron]

some even need 2 types of tech points from different factions like Nyakhimov and Napoli

[nimble knoll]

So the blueprints are quite useless for me as of right now.. As I don't even have enough Tech points

[nimble knoll]

Hold onto it for now

[granite rain]

You need hundreds of them for the non-coinable ships. I wouldn't worry about it. Just keep doing your research and make a plan

[tender girder]

so realistically... who shold i pick first for catch up then? i currently have anchorage picked..

[zenith heron]

yeah, but of course you can't analyze due to it not being used yet, so its just basically forces you to hold on those blueprints, which is the best idea...

Unless Manjuu decides to do this as a weird decision

[granite rain]

Anchorage is fine for an early pick.

FDG also very good to pick because she is a coinable DR and a great flagship

[nimble knoll]

I was tryna get agir cuz of her design.. But now I gotta hold onto that thought until I have 750 tech points

[tender girder]

what does coinable mean? i see it in the guide but still don't understand

[zenith heron]

this seems fine for a early pick, so do this for now because it is not wise to start one and start another because you can only grind one ship, and switching takes like 24 hours till you change to the other which is UNWISE

[granite rain]

It means you can use coins to complete the research instead of purely needing to farm hundreds of blueprints

[nimble knoll]

Is taihou good?

[sweet delta]

mid

[granite rain]

meh

[wind hazel]

catch up is catch up, it has nothing to do with switching in ship development

[zenith heron]

additional to this info, sadly you cannot use coins for blueprints until your Bps for said ship is consumed, even at FS5

[zenith heron]

for the sake of my waifu

I will still say mid, despite having at least decent damage against Heavy Armor

[granite rain]

I wouldn't bother investing in her. She needs her augment and even with it she isn't great

[plain saffron]

instead of using blueprints, you use coins directly

[plain saffron]

which should be cheaper cost wise, if you use the daily discount

[zenith heron]

becuase coining at no discounts is burning your coins fast, even if you have a ton of coins...

[tender girder]

where do i use the daily discount to use coins instead of blue prints?

[zenith heron]

you only can use coins once said bps of said ships are all consumed

[granite rain]

Do you have any ships researched in the shipyard?

[tender girder]

i only have Saint Louis currently researching...

[plain saffron]

same place where you use the blueprints on the ship
option only shows once you used all the available bp
you can see the discount there, discount resets daily at 0400

[tender girder]

tech requirement not met for anyone else

[granite rain]

Then you're still much too early

[plain saffron]

yeah so you can't do it
because you use coins to enhance her, no ship = can't enhacne

recommended strats is
1.get ship
2.coins until dev30
3.set catchup on that ship
4.convert all the bp to protocore
5.buy gears

[zenith heron]

then stick to Blueprints for now, don't burn those extra Random BP's if you want to coin them after using all of said Ship's Blueprints

[sharp socket]

is there specific advice for using enemy movement and airstrikes in w15

[plain saffron]

for now just set catchup on pr6 or something

[granite rain]

Pick a waifu ship that fills a slot you need and you are close to tech points on

ezpz

[zenith heron]

wait PR5 is ignored?

[wind hazel]

move node blocking to super CV, deal with super CV node first, airstrike it.

that's how i rolled

[plain saffron]

pr5 is coinable

[zenith heron]

well, bless me with all the shit I have, thanks for this

[plain saffron]

i guess you can still choose pr4-6 catchup since they're all good ship and catchup from pr1-3 is enough protocore

keep it at anchorage then agir

[tender girder]

so change from focus 5 to 6 right?

[zenith heron]

you see that Research Focus? change that to 6

[wind hazel]

why 6

[plain saffron]

keep on pr4 anchor

[zenith heron]

ok, mb got confused on priority

[plain saffron]

what's current season focus recommended, still 4?

[tender girder]

why agir next rather than FBG?

[wind hazel]

some 4 some 5, idk general consensus, both side have their arguments for it

[granite rain]

You can change BP to protocore? I thought it was just combat data

[zenith heron]

hakuryuu got Coinable now, but unsure considering Agir has no fs5 yet

[tender girder]

or bc i'm not likely to meet tech requirement soon

[plain saffron]

yes if the ship is dev30

[granite rain]

Ahhhh yeah

[barren tapir]

4, 5, or 7, with their own pros and cons

[plain saffron]

fdg could work, idk which one will you develop first

[granite rain]

This remains my advice. Picking something you like with a GOOD time horizon is best in long run I think

FDG, Agir, Anchorage are all good picks if you have the needed points

[zenith heron]

Probably guy needed FDG if said player has no better BB's to use...

[granite rain]

Then FDG is easy pick. Main fleet ships should generally be priority for your resources

[zenith heron]

and this is why subjective topics are so debatable that it wants to shut myself up and lock in

[tender girder]

don't have sufficient points for anyone... LOL

anchorage more achievable in short term though
FDG seems like will take AGES

[plain saffron]

then just play normally for now, just set the catchup to correct one

no need to build them yet

push to 9-1 at least before focusing on building them

[granite rain]

You get tech points by max limit breaking ships from the same faction, or getting them to lvl 125. If you're very cxlose to one you can use some resources to MLB, if not then just play normally and don't force it

[wind hazel]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

use this as your guide if you wanna beeline towards specific ship

[barren tapir]

and 7 is a new one proposed too lol

[granite rain]

Why 7?

[zenith heron]

like the guy who said above me, all PR/DR's are pure commitment than your typical Event Pool ships that needs cubes (still commitment)....

[wind hazel]

7 is really playing the long run tbh

[plain saffron]

fuck other season just do 4

[barren tapir]

the tldr of the earlier debate was uhh

7 slowest start but best long-term for "catching up" overall
5 middle road with not as good gear options but a bit faster catch up than
4 for comfy gear still good pick, best start, worst long-term (allegedly)

[sharp socket]

oh so i dont fight the node blocking super CV first?

[zenith heron]

i think 7 should be better of with mid to late game players

considering 6 is finished for them

[wind hazel]

if you move them away, you can fight super CV at full strength

[granite rain]

I mean I'm mid game and 7 is a pipe dream for me LOL

[sharp socket]

[wind hazel]

otherwise you're gonna be less than 100% (most likely) fighting superCV, which isn't ideal

[barren tapir]

i think nobody got a consensus on a best one and we largely ended with "4 5 7 all valid, cant really go wrong with either but theyll each have their own pros and cons"

[plain saffron]

is this for build or for focus?

[barren tapir]

focus, gear primarily since you'd be coining most of pr4 before anyone else (also fdg)

[plain saffron]

if you aim for all, research latest then go lower + catchup + coin oldest then go higher prob the good choise

[stark quiver]

@sharp socket you get buff when full ammo

[barren tapir]

the main strats bounced around was 7 start, or 4 start then 7 after established, with the justification that 5 is easy to speedrun plymouth once you coin all pr5s

[sharp socket]

yes i fight super CV on 4/5 or 5/5 ammo

[zenith heron]

that 10% more dmg on 4-5 ammo left

[plain saffron]

there's 2 super CV right

[barren tapir]

can search/scroll up for the discussion, was a few hours ago with many interesting takes

[sharp socket]

oh im still on 15-1

[plain saffron]

yeah so one each, if you hit the node blocking, only 1 is with bonus, the other one without bonus

[stark quiver]

always fight super cv first, since if you fight the node before it, youll have to fight node +super cv support in the node

[eager mulch]

[barren tapir]

im on 7, swapped recently

[wind hazel]

15-1 just go ham

[barren tapir]

oh yeah there's also debate on finish full season in a row or bounce to most valuable targets but idk the consensus on that cos theres pros and cons again

a lot of the 'just go 7' is so you dont fall behind once 8 comes out, i think

[sharp socket]

yeah i got 3* lethal on 15-1

[plain saffron]

never change focus midway

[granite rain]

I bounce, but it's because I bought the whel PR blueprint packs when I started

[wind hazel]

intro 15-1

[plain saffron]

finish entire season before changing

[granite rain]

Then didn't pick Anchorage like an IDIOT

[zenith heron]

not planning for 7 till my dear Kearsarge gets her deserved dev30

but that makes me miss the fun, especially the La-9 and the Vit mod change...

[barren tapir]

i would disagree cos i personally found no real value in sitting on pr5 just for brest cos chkalov and harbin have coinup now and i d30 ply and plygun

[wind hazel]

are you the MP bro

[wary robin]

I guess you mean this. #gameplay-help message
According to cn soyuz+nakhimov is currently best all-rounder. With Amagi its in top3 for every armor type. But if you dont have leveled Nakh its all falling apart

[barren tapir]

plus i feel returning to pr5 for brest after maxing the prs will speed it up significantly

[granite rain]

MP bro? Idk what that means

[sharp socket]

elite manjuu refreshes on reset right

[wind hazel]

who did you pick PR4

[plain saffron]

if the season have coining then it's diff story

[zenith heron]

I'll take note of this, lemme review it

[barren tapir]

like i really dunno a reason to sit in pr5 longer

[granite rain]

I picked Marco Polo don't flame me

[stark quiver]

4 plyguns for your pvp fleet

[wind hazel]

so MP bro

[plain saffron]

is it really CV fleet if there's a BB

[barren tapir]

ig i could finish my 4th harbin gun

[stark quiver]

i read mp as magical power

[sharp socket]

i get this sometimes, is it fine not to elite manjuu

[granite rain]

Come on, man, I needed a flagship. I'd still be using an Elite if I didn't get her

[stark quiver]

youll prolly be fine

[sweet delta]

you are lacking AA

[barren tapir]

i do need a 2nd plygun but it can wait, i wanna max halford wife and get some la9 cope going on (also bayard eventually and neko)

until then nep and plymouth can share

[sweet delta]

cannot bench brest, put another high AA ship, and use eldridge to tank?

[zenith heron]

that fleet is basically like the former Musashi-Hakuryuu-Shinano comp without the freeze ofc

wait it isn't

[stark quiver]

real question, should i stay in pr7 for 2nd la9? or go to pr5 and get a third plygun

[barren tapir]

what do you value more

[wind hazel]

la9

[sweet delta]

and why are your cats not max skilled

[sharp socket]

...i did need the manjuu

[plain saffron]

real question, when tenrai in gear lab

[barren tapir]

id say la9 cos its a fat plane personally

[nimble knoll]

Does fierce assault give Tech boxes?

[stark quiver]

why would you wait until you die 💀

[barren tapir]

also plygun gear lab 2026

[wind hazel]

2nd la9 give bigger impact than 3rd plygun, it's that simple

[zenith heron]

cope on the Tenrai first

unless you already have enough

[stark quiver]

i mean i guess i kinda do need a plygun for alsace

[barren tapir]

i mean tenrai coming within a month

[plain saffron]

pr4 for 7th tenrai

[barren tapir]

and yeah i need at least 2 for sara...probably 1 more to actually be used on meta ships...

[stark quiver]

i have exactly 1 plygun bp to buy in protocore

[barren tapir]

im cooked if they cost ordnance waifu gaming hard

[plain saffron]

they will

[sharp socket]

well if i already need to elite manjuu for 15-1 i dont have high hopes lol

[granite rain]

btw you convinced me. I swapped focus to 7

[plain saffron]

prototype gear uses ordnance

[stark quiver]

circle

[barren tapir]

sadge. how am i meant to afford 1-2 twin 457s and several tenrais

[zenith heron]

this got me curious,

are there boss fleets that use like double Dive Bombers and are actually viable? or that is just stupid plain Campaign loadout to flex out of spite?

[wind hazel]

just play for a few years

[barren tapir]

maybe after i finish halford i go pr4

[stark quiver]

campaign flex

[barren tapir]

sara in a couple meta fights

[plain saffron]

if you use sara in boss then it counts as viable i guess

[stark quiver]

nobody uses sara these days

[barren tapir]

literally right...9 ordnances takes 9 months without converting

[plain saffron]

:murmzoom:

[barren tapir]

she was used for kirov or someone

[zenith heron]

then I am sticking to 3 then

too much is just flex

[plain saffron]

sara is good new player choices

[wind hazel]

it's funny but most of AL's issue is really just play the game longer

[barren tapir]

was it kirov or algerie i never remember

[zenith heron]

every gacha game is a race

[plain saffron]

hi gph how do i get back in time so i can solve my issue

[barren tapir]

1 tenrai per year

[sweet delta]

Yes, she could be used for algerie because algerie is easy

[granite rain]

For real. Waaaaaaaaaay more time dependent than most gacha games

[barren tapir]

idk i just remember there was one where ppl said she performed close to UR

[wind hazel]

[stark quiver]

[plain saffron]

if not day 1, don't even bother playing the game

[barren tapir]

did ppl lie to me

[whole crypt]

I just realized the easy drop pool doesn't show grey plates at all

[wind hazel]

on just a very specific meta fight

[plain saffron]

algerie have the towers so almost all bombs do something

[sweet delta]

Sara can outperform UR

[barren tapir]

yes i said one or two meta fights and got doubted

[sharp socket]

i assume 3* CV nodes are worse to fight than 3* BB nodes

[barren tapir]

also shes decent up to ch14

[plain saffron]

no

[wind hazel]

i avoid 3* BB like a plague

[zenith heron]

you just got bamboozled though...

unless this is another CA vs Drake again

[sweet delta]

Fine she WAS used, but so was some other shitter like Bismarck

[barren tapir]

wha

[stark quiver]

how ab after 2nd la9, should i get plygun
need 18 more bps for la

[wind hazel]

if your AA is good, CV node is a free heal

[plain saffron]

bismarck doesn't have one shot showcase though

[barren tapir]

idk i saw 500k sara

[sweet delta]

Ehat

[sharp socket]

also sandy is so much better AA its crazy

[plain saffron]

there's a legit oneshot sara fleet

[wind hazel]

but uh... you're aquilaless so it's a bit different approach i guess

[plain saffron]

but only that one boss, and idk why are we arguing about this

[sweet delta]

One of the near 100% algerie fleets was literally Bismarck one plus Bismarck two

[stark quiver]

i used soy with volga, much btter than sashi for me

[whole crypt]

what's this about now

[barren tapir]

idk either, i just said in response to who uses sara 'she was used in 1 or 2 meta fights iirc' and got cancelled ig

[plain saffron]

you mentioned non UR in gph, you should have known

[barren tapir]

go play among yourselves now

[whole crypt]

Saratoga was literally only picked for Algerie to kill bomb pillars

[plain saffron]

if you say anything non UR people will always doubt you

[barren tapir]

okay and? still a use i didnt say anything incorrect

[plain saffron]

even if you're right, people will still be againts you

[wind hazel]

we have hidden agenda against pink hair anime girl

[barren tapir]

[whole crypt]

is this worth bothering with a bug report

[sweet delta]

I'd get doubted for saying bulin can do 15-4, same energy

[zenith heron]

Remember how good Perseus was until Unicorn kai came in and said Perseus is shit...

I remember how good Ryuuhou is as a healer till she came....

[barren tapir]

auto or manual

tbh auto safe with 5 carry i can believe it

[barren tapir]

well obviously you're shit if you're not number 1

which means only is not shit

[carmine heath]

Is this a good boss fleet?

Taihou meta/Hood/Nelson retro

[barren tapir]

no lbs = bad

[wind hazel]

no

[plain saffron]

no, we need the grey parts. don't make them fix it

[carmine heath]

[whole crypt]

the question is which is the bug, dropping grey plates or not showing grey plates in list

[granite rain]

Any max limit broken ships generally > non MLB ship

[zenith heron]

this consensus might become the next mindset where having an alternative fleet is considered not doable

all jokes aside, I just wanted an alternative fleet once being praised, but can't due to Best will get the most praise

[carmine heath]

Im mainly asking about ship choices

[plain saffron]

1 MLB usually better than 2 or more non MLB

[whole crypt]

what are you doing with this
if you're running shit at the level of the other ships Hood will probably die
Taihou META is 🚮
no LB also 🚮

[carmine heath]

Lmao

[plain saffron]

nelson wants flag right?

[whole crypt]

yes

[carmine heath]

Mostly was trying for an heavy armour boss fleet around bbs

[plain saffron]

so hood or nelson goes to mob

[storm heron]

bismarck + bismarck II?

[carmine heath]

My ship collection is god awful

[plain saffron]

bismarck III

[zenith heron]

also that kinda looks like a normal campaign fleet, I wonder if it really can do TAIHOU META, unless if your TAIHOU META boss lvl isn't 15

[whole crypt]

you are not building a specialized boss fleet with those options

[barren tapir]

well taihou meta is meh, wouldnt say shit. but 0lb = turboshit

[plain saffron]

once way to know

[barren tapir]

but taihou not a bb

[whole crypt]

and more importantly at those levels and ship options you don't need a heavy armour boss fleet

[carmine heath]

Takhou can be a bb if she wants

[plain saffron]

also for what content

[whole crypt]

well I'm not dry on grey plates just yet so

[plain saffron]

idk she can be a BB but she can be a sub

[zenith heron]

a committed Taihou user is watching

still unsure bcs she is worse than even Normal Taihou to me...

[barren tapir]

thas cos she is

iirc taihou meta is like, taihou pre aug level lol

[crisp estuary]

Is this any good?

[wind hazel]

hvar good

[crisp estuary]

Talking about the gun

[barren tapir]

hellcat and hvar

[wind hazel]

no

[crisp estuary]

Eww hellcat

[barren tapir]

well if u need any fighters ofc

[wind hazel]

also maybe say "is this gun any good" next time

[whole crypt]

not sure what your problem is with hellcats but they're great

[barren tapir]

probably dislikes cats

[crisp estuary]

It was the leftmost first one. My bad

[zenith heron]

bruh check what you say next time

bcs most of the guns showed are below average to shit

[crisp estuary]

Oh I'm talking about the gun I have not seen before. My bad.

[crisp estuary]

Bruv, you know me

[zenith heron]

that 1st Gun has good Alpha damage in exchange for higher CD, which is not recommended

I would stick with the Purple 406 mk6 gun if I were you

[plain saffron]

iirc slightly better againts med but champy still takes priority for +13

[crisp estuary]

That's fine. I have a lot of that gun

[whole crypt]

I don't bother remembering people who do stupid things with the game

[wind hazel]

💀 shiiii

[plain saffron]

🍿 ?

[stark quiver]

Demonic

[whole crypt]

is there an easy way to 10k custom mode this time without eldridge

[barren tapir]

do you remember me or do i do too many stupid things

[crimson glacier]

i just used the same fleet as meta but with agir and napoli vanguard

[crisp estuary]

Wait, is there a new top tier fighter for campaign now or is it still Flapjack? I might have made too many

[barren tapir]

flapjack best

[whole crypt]

this isn't for my main account so my options are limited

[barren tapir]

how difficult is 10k custom?

[crisp estuary]

Okay good. There's like 6 unenhanced Flapjacks on my warehouse

[storm heron]

14k not that hard

[sweet delta]

#trophy-room message i used musashi nj bisz ply sandy aegir on my alt

[whole crypt]

what mods

[barren tapir]

do i need to 🕹️

[sweet delta]

14k not that hard, just win in negative 100 seconds

[dusk maple]

Drop one of the dmg reduction buff (avi/fp/trp) and some boss self dmg buff, it's easy

[barren tapir]

does custom take oil/morale/etc

[crimson glacier]

dont think so

[whole crypt]

what's score based on, selected mods and clear time?

[sweet delta]

the mods are in the picture, i dropped some boss increase vanguard damage, but someone still died

[hardy citrus]

Is this a skill issue?? What happened

[crimson glacier]

you timed out

[crisp estuary]

Speaking of guns I have never seen before, tf are these two guns bottom right?

[hardy citrus]

I can tell but could I have done better

[storm heron]

pr7 guns

[wind hazel]

guns that you ignore because we have better alternatives

[barren tapir]

my neck hurts trying to see that, and probably but not much info to go off on

[crisp estuary]

Shittier than Chappy gun or Seattle gun?

[zenith heron]

I would not recommend them, despite being new

its like recommending a Daisen gun when you already have an Izumo gun for Musashi

[crisp estuary]

Because those are my most numerous CL calibers

[hardy citrus]

Should I make a thread with the gear I had on

[wind hazel]

that i cannot confirm

according to sam,

[crisp estuary]

I see

[wind hazel]

tl;dr, plygun

[crisp estuary]

I only have two

I assume the 234mm I showed there is also worse than my twin 234 Normal special?

[whole crypt]

would Alsace be better than NJ?

[sweet delta]

Certainly

[whole crypt]

thanks

[sweet delta]

But Advice didn't put Alsace in my fleet

[barren tapir]

you just rolled with advice?

[nimble knoll]

Should I do this for ship Xp?

[vale spindle]

you can if you want to

its worse than anything chapter 9 or higher though

[whole crypt]

main account rolled with max mods on CV fleet and got 11436

[nimble knoll]

I'm only at chapter 7 (and I can't even do it as I need to be level 50)

[vale spindle]

i tried that but i had to remove some mods to get like +74% so my vg would live, then triple cv got 11k

[vale spindle]

then yea its fine

[barren tapir]

what armor is it again?

ty

[sharp socket]

@wind hazel is this correct

[wind hazel]

have fun

[crisp estuary]

@vale spindle sam, what's the best non-limited gold CA gun now?

[vale spindle]

napoli gun or the gear lab uss one or roon gun

[storm heron]

fybredoggo ahh frontline

[vale spindle]

or you can still twin 203 gold and its not even much worse than those anyways xd

[kind needle]

I just got my first plygun, should I move to PR7 or stay at PR5?

[storm heron]

what should I even pick here, it's the beginning of the day and got stuck already

[kind needle]

What pr season are u focusing tho

[storm heron]

yeah, should I just spend 6 cubes

pr7 there

[zenith heron]

like the usual I think, yes if you are even finished from dev30 yet

[nimble knoll]

Lmao I did a random Special build and got taihou is she just for Tech or is she gud to use?

[stark quiver]

Bruh just take the gd

[storm heron]

it's a prV gd tho

[stark quiver]

And?

Its lowest time to roll a new list

[crisp raven]

you know, when i asked earlier if you had the qued time to wait for daily reset, i didnt mean to get yourself back into the same pickle...

[rose cosmos]

I didn’t know custom has rewards too

[storm heron]

ash luck

[stark quiver]

Expect more in the future

[plain saffron]

does boss have skill that makes helena not proc skill or something

[stark quiver]

Custom challenge?

[plain saffron]

yes

[fiery pelican]

Who to mlb? Missed Yorktown f

[plain saffron]

wait there is?

[wind hazel]

there is

also i dont think it disable radar

[crisp raven]

is helena in off tank? she might be getting stunned and thta might be affecting her skill question mark?

[plain saffron]

i put sirius off tank

[nimble knoll]

I Beated the flag ship but it didn't count.. Smh

[crisp raven]

unless theres a bug, helena should be capable of proccing then

[plain saffron]

nvm it finally proc, after a lot of runs

[stark quiver]

My Helena proc 2 time
Rng issue

[barren tapir]

how fast do i need to win on 71% for 10k?

[sweet delta]

no casualties

[barren tapir]

full dps didnt work, i had to go triple cv full tank manual comp to survive with uni lol so uhhh

[cobalt gate]

quick question if i lose in battle do i lose the full oil or just 1 oil per each ship?

[barren tapir]

cleared in 1:53 but clearly gotta be faster

[crisp raven]

oil per ship and the entry morale. if any ship sunk, they still lose the 10 morale

[whole crypt]

fairly sure you can 2-round it throwing rainbows at the problem

[barren tapir]

or i just need to manual better and get 81% mult

well you see i only have 1 maxed rainbow

[cobalt gate]

ohok, almost thought i lost 90 oil

[sweet delta]

.

[barren tapir]

damn 81% and slower time is worse score

[barren tapir]

the stunned one dies idk

[final heart]

does speed help with pve content? (cat talent)

[sharp socket]

what does attack mode subs do

[celest dagger]

hi can someone help me improve my fleet to achieve meta raids and high content?

[barren tapir]

i can keep her alive after 1st stun but 2nd stun she dies

so i have to S rank to get 10k?

[wind hazel]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Combat#Submarine_Mechanics

[barren tapir]

then idk im confused

[sweet delta]

you can 10k without s rank if you kill fast enough, but it seems that you can't kill fast enough

[barren tapir]

so S does help score? man even neptune still dies on 2nd stun

[shell willow]

why do i get less points for killing faster in ex lol

[frank pulsar]

how many la9 is good stopping point

[sweet delta]

you got casualties

[wind hazel]

5, maybe 6

[crisp raven]

would the 8 seconds from a uss 3rd slot with manjuu be enough time to kill or no?

[barren tapir]

i havent mlbed enty yet bulin issue

[sharp socket]

4 la9

[sweet delta]

how long was your battle?

[barren tapir]

man i think i need to kill in 1min for 10k

my fastest atm is 1:32 with +76% for 9897

[sharp socket]

hinden gun > drake gun or not

[sweet delta]

Did you know that you can use submarines?

[sharp socket]

drake gun just looks better overall idk

[frank pulsar]

drake gun better on light, hinden gun better on med, negligible diff on heavy

[barren tapir]

i dont have any

[sweet delta]

No T5 box for you then

[crisp raven]

you have 18 days to get a sub fleet ready for the challenge

[barren tapir]

oh ok i figured out how, cos i remembered sirius exists and works when dead (if anyone want to copy a noob fleet)

killed in about 1:10 which is apparently enough

[foggy chasm]

how much exp u get from doing ex or hard ?

[frank pulsar]

iirc raid events dont usually give a lot of exp or coin

[cunning bison]

do they cause morale to drop?

sad

[keen sable]

not much. coins is ok but it's only 15 times a day and there's no enhancers. consider it a side job to whatever you normally want to do

[amber frost]

Yes I am in NY port atm

[wind hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-gif-25770903

[chrome kelp]

can someone help me, i press play on the minigame and i cant play it

[wind hazel]

press cancel

[late flame]

press cancel

[chrome kelp]

Thank you so much now i feel stupid haha

[sharp socket]

2 salvo 71% is better than 3 salvo 86%

[amber frost]

never mind

I figured it out

[storm heron]

what can a stunned ship do?

[elfin hollow]

anyways would finishing two stars make me clear a node faster? I prefer a 50% clear rate over the 36-ish

[crimson glacier]

isnt 2 stars same as 0 stars

[sharp socket]

theres nothing after 10k pts for custom challenge right

[warm trail]

she good to retrofit?

[crimson glacier]

one of the best but really expensive

[cunning bison]

extremely

[warm trail]

okey

i liek chil-

[elfin hollow]

0_o

[copper ermine]

Am I crazy or did they recently make pr5 blueprints available from coins?

[elfin hollow]

so I noticed that Z23 was doing that submarine attacking a fleet animation on some fleets and IDK why

then I started to suspect that it's a skill from the meowficers I had attached

[wind hazel]

last thursday update

[crimson glacier]

pr5 too? i thought it was 4

[copper ermine]

That will make finishing prinz rupprecht so much easier

[wind hazel]

wait was i high

lemme check real quick

ye pr5 too

[crimson glacier]

or wait did they add coins for DRs in 4 and thats what im mixing it

[wind hazel]

dr4 pr5 yes

[elfin hollow]

Okay I found out it was Bunny and his (or her) skill XD

[barren tapir]

yeah time matters a lot for scoring @.@

[sweet delta]

Stun prevents the ship from moving herself

[barren tapir]

their skills still activate but they cannot shoot guns or fire torps etc

dunno about other nuances but

[sweet delta]

Stun only affects movement

[barren tapir]

i was unable to fire stun ship torp in manual

it simply wouldnt let me

[sweet delta]

Cease prevents the ship from using weapons

[barren tapir]

oh ok so it's stun + cease then?

[sweet delta]

cease, stun, pull, and fire the red arc

[barren tapir]

sirius is good fodder for that slot in a newbie cv fleet

[elfin hollow]

do I have any economic / gameplay benefit from creating a guild? I made one for me and my friends but I'm starting to regret giving up the 300 gems

[barren tapir]

i forgot she raises hit rate against CA, no wonder it did so much more dmg once i added her lol

[elfin hollow]

Dumb q maybe but: Do higher level researches have a better rainbow print droprate? I've been spamming blues/short ones to maximize attempts but I'm not sure that's the best approach

[rapid grail]

would've been better to ask your friends to join an existing guild

[bold stream]

Hello all. i do not have any of these ships.. which is better to get from this?

[crimson glacier]

theres stuff in pins

[final heart]

who should I replace for enterprise in my 2nd fleet?

[jagged marlin]

As I new player should I buy the level 70 pack?

[elfin hollow]

idk about the pros here but prolly whoever that other cv is?

you could CV - BB - CV that one according to the guide (gen. boss flt.)

[final heart]

which one?

both tico and hornet 2 are cv

[atomic abyss]

Who's in the first fleet

[final heart]

fritz - nelson - uni
portland - starter dd - helena

[atomic abyss]

Is fritz mlb

[final heart]

yup

[atomic abyss]

Replace tico

[crimson glacier]

are you able to mlb the fleet 2 too

[final heart]

working on it

[atomic abyss]

Actually, move fritz to boss tbh
And grind the other in mob

Then switch to the other one once level has caught up

[final heart]

so enterprise is going to the first fleet and fritz in 2nd fleet in tico's place?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

Hornet 2 will be in the mob eventually

Enterprise and Rumey on boss

[crisp estuary]

You can get up to +30 dock space from guild research.
(You could still get that from joining an existing guild however)

[storm heron]

what contributes to a higher special EX score for this event?

[elfin hollow]

tried hard. Lost.

All ships MLB except Z23, level 85 with all purple gear

[final heart]

btw is my fleet 2 vanguard ass?
I'm thinking of switching bremerton out for northampton 2 and prinz out for duisburg, will that be better?

[sweet delta]

(5000/(TTK+300)^0.36-1)*10.5*(1+bonuses)*(1-0.04*ShipsSunk)

[atomic abyss]

Northampton2 is fine
Duis isn't an upgrade by any means so ehh

[final heart]

oh, then is there any notable third vanguard slot I can farm for?

[shell willow]

whats ttk?

[atomic abyss]

Time to kill?

[sweet delta]

4:49 - 13026
4:48 - 13011
4:40 - 12893
4:35 - 12821
4:50 - stop cheating bro
assuming max bonuses and no sunk

[shell willow]

[sharp socket]

the game counts score in seconds and not frames?

[thin nova]

guys, how tf can this happen?

[barren tapir]

time is very important then but also not sinking help?

[thin nova]

[atomic abyss]

When your game randomly decides the disconnect

[sweet delta]

each sinked ship takes off 4% of the score so yeah

[thin nova]

I swear it's not possible

[atomic abyss]

And so it doesn't count

[storm heron]

damn no 13k, lucky you have jintM

[barren tapir]

its funny, i had 2 sunk but a significantly higher score for being 20 seconds faster

[elfin hollow]

probably 1 star is the reason-

or you have a lot of A's?

[thin nova]

it's not the star I lost

[elfin hollow]

I take my words back. HOW??

[thin nova]

Ikr, game is trolling

[barren tapir]

bug maybe, i saw a post like this on the reddit too during yk2 event

[sweet delta]

try turning it off and on again

[elfin hollow]

it's so reduntant XD

defeat all enemies but not the flag? certainly something's cooked wrong

[atomic abyss]

Something something desync

Something something internet connection

[thin nova]

can we get 25 red envelopes in this event?

[sweet delta]

What's the Spring Fireworks Party?

[barren tapir]

idk all the sources but i'd sure hope so LOL

[elfin hollow]

the gems are nice tho. XD

[boreal wagon]

an event that starts next week

[elfin hollow]

is the next event an SSR rerun? or something new?

[atomic abyss]

We don't know

[wind hazel]

what's the setup for 13-1 low cost cog farm? uni+juneau? and dump and use UR on boss fleet?

[sweet delta]

There are many ships that work but it's 1:1 and 1:1

[wind hazel]

any recommendation?

[storm heron]

anything I can improve? I don't have jintM, but how about like switching shinano to haku

[sweet delta]

Go to max 96%

[versed forum]

Is Implacable rerun will be in early April or late March?

[crimson glacier]

who knows

[storm heron]

but I couldn't kill for some reason, helena proc give 19% remaining, idk why cleve proc couldn't kill

[sweet delta]

Cleveland
Do you have submarines

[storm heron]

oh damn forgot to screenshot the subs

[storm heron]

it should've killed right, since 25% damage bonus

I'll try 96%

[barren tapir]

i think the meta was volga+hamm2 but others might work also dunno

[storm heron]

how much mileage can I get from +13 yamato gun for EX?

[sweet delta]

You may get mileage from it, but so can ha take that and umi no neko

[jagged marlin]

What level should I get my ships to as a new player?

[cobalt gate]

so is there anyway to know if a skin has those changeable setting before buying it?

[barren tapir]

it tells you in the skin shop

[boreal wagon]

it doesnt tell you about l2d interactions

[tropic tusk]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give this a read

[tropic tusk]

if u want to see wht those l2d skins has to offer just youtube them people post about them

[storm heron]

apparently ply's shroud does not work when stunned even though it says there "shrouded"

[sweet delta]

Really?

[storm heron]

lemme get more sample than 3

[sharp socket]

96% was too difficult for me since i couldn't figure out how to onestrike the boss

current highest seems to be 12878 if you want to compete for that

[wintry obsidian]

Admiral Nakhimov becomes fully usable at Dev 25, right?

Her dev 30 only gives her 5% more efficiency on planes and the unrestricted middle slot. Still need 150 blueprints to get max her out

[boreal wagon]

it also gives her access to fleet tech
(not to mention some stats obviously)

[wintry obsidian]

Right, hadn't considered fleet tech

[storm heron]

after running 20 samples each for ply and something else like sirius, ply's shroud indeed worked, average of sirius was 9.%, average of ply was 11.%

[hoary relic]

erm guys, who should i get for early-mid game?

[left cedar]

DDG one i think

[slow fox]

akaeth spotted

[zenith heron]

May I know if FDG is worse than NJ in Light Boss Fights?

[final heart]

from pin:
Yat Sen >= Hwah Jah >> Waifu.
Other ships are more easily accessible and/or bad. See wiki for their drop locations.
Hwah Jah and Chen Hai have retrofits that elevate them from bad to not bad, and also have +1 CV RLD Fleet Technology. Hwah Jah is the better of the two.

[left cedar]

FdG is better against Light enemies
at least is where she does better with me

[atomic abyss]

NJ is typically better on bossing

the difference is FdG is more reliant on guns

and NJ's barrage isnt as good against light

[left cedar]

into campaign once in W15 she is quite bad cuz fogs buffs EVA of enemies by quite much, so she miss constantly
but without fog her barrage have better modifiers againts light and she does hit similary to NJ

[atomic abyss]

yeah campaign is a different beast

[light trail]

does farming hard event stage give prints for the new torps too

[atomic abyss]

no

[light trail]

also are the new torps good

[atomic abyss]

pretty sure it gives rudders

[queen jackal]

which bbs have a preload?

[atomic abyss]

side grade iirc

[light trail]

okok. they're parallel right

[atomic abyss]

all french BB/C that are not named gascogne

[queen jackal]

ty

[zenith heron]

Thanks for your opinion guys,

Been testing this one on typical Helena Meta boss Fight, and lemme try not rely on Helena and Plymouth for buffs (Did not use Alsace bcs both got outdamaged despite not in Flagship)

[atomic abyss]

i mean