gameplay-help

[barren barn]

I never bought something here

[white agate]

yep, it still has the paw too

[barren barn]

Ah i bought that plane

[worldly pewter]

yeah looks like u have been not doing this part of the game in the past
so here what u should do
as the helpers said earlier analyze all the combat data that u have in the inventory
and try to get the 20 prints from the series III
u will find it on the bottom of the list

these refresh monthly and u need 25 prints in order to craft 1 gun
the ur gear is 1 time buy

[barren barn]

Should i get the plane first?

Tenrai

[eternal moth]

I'd worry about the gold gear first. It's a lot cheaper

[barren barn]

I can't analyse anyway i don't have a single dev 30 ship

[eternal moth]

You don't need a dev30 ship, just the combat data packs.

TIL you don't need to have Sirius to unlock her in the 3D dorms

[eternal moth]

These are the Combat Data Packs BTW

Yeah, I realized that right after posting. That's a few extra BP

[void ivy]

What's the best sub fleet I can make?

[eternal moth]

As of now, the one you have

[storm heron]

wait why is the 20 and the 110 there, do you have 20 or 110 of them?

[white agate]

110, the 20 are prolly from cruise pass

[eternal moth]

That was from the beginner mission

[void ivy]

@eternal moth haven't played in a while would u be able to make a fleet for me? I wanna do the event raid thing and finish the world campaign I'm at w13 rn

[eternal moth]

Start a thread and we should be able to help you. Post your dock there.

[void ivy]

Fleet build

[upbeat wagon]

Between saratoga (mob) and enty and fritz (boss), who would use the yellow and rainbow planes from the last event best

I have 1 of each

[eager mulch]

for what

[upbeat wagon]

Campaign

I put them on fritz since shes supposed to be good against light armor anyways, right call?

[eternal moth]

Chapter 12 too hard guys. 12-1 lethal full clear with a 1LB Z52

[turbid marsh]

i mean those planes are anti light BOSS, not really a campaign plane in my opinion.

[upbeat wagon]

Hmm

Eh my fritz doesnt have any better planes anyways

[turbid marsh]

yeah, so i think you should just go with them, they are better than your regular planes.

[nimble knoll]

This isn't good right?

[agile harness]

how necessary submarines are in the last stages, aka, 13, 14 and 15

[turbid marsh]

nice to have, not essential. pretty helpful in w15 especialy when u dont have good ship/gear

[turbid marsh]

tragic

[nimble knoll]

My 2nd SR Cat.. it's not that good-

But should I use it or nah?

[turbid marsh]

no

[storm heron]

I don't think you should focus on finding an actual good cat in the beginning, just make sure to get the exp but don't scrap anything

[white agate]

well... it will take more than 100 to have even one decent starting cat, so it's recommended to use the tempesta ones since they do have some decent talent

[stark quiver]

Not necessary

[upbeat wagon]

Z52 could tank in campaign until.about 12 right?

[agile harness]

these are the subs i have

[turbid marsh]

actually just use it..... eat it after

[storm heron]

until 14

[white agate]

yep, i got those maxed and 0 intention to do fishpack

[turbid marsh]

not bad.

[sweet delta]

until 15 bet

[stark quiver]

U81 replaces one of 47/37

[eternal moth]

I thought 37 was the single best KMS sub

[agile harness]

maxing subs is a pain

[white agate]

the single best is 47 iirc, if you mean used as single sub alone

[eternal moth]

No, I meant 37 was the best in a wolfpack

[sweet delta]

81 is

importance goes like
81
96
37 or 47
101
purple

[sharp socket]

take out 47 cause she has no wolfpack in her skills

one of them is just useless

[white agate]

i keep her cuz funny vs bosses when usable

[sharp socket]

because youd never have one sub alone

[white agate]

yeah, that skill if only they could swap it with something better

[sweet delta]

47 in wolfpack is about as strong as 37 in wolfpack

[stark quiver]

just dont use wolfpack 🧠

[sharp socket]

but 37 has wolfpack skill

[storm heron]

just use flasher

[eternal moth]

Doesn't matter if 47 and her augment is that much better

[white agate]

build me fishpack

[eternal moth]

Flasher, Archer, Alba

[viscid swift]

U-47 still counts as a member of the wolf pack and contributes to proccing wolf pack skills

[late flame]

yep

[agile harness]

i dont have none of those

[stark quiver]

the sub guy

[solid kite]

did they release content for 2 sub fleets yet?

[stark quiver]

no?

[solid kite]

unfortunate

[stark quiver]

i dont have 12 bidders so im fine with 1

[white agate]

btw weren't a thing in wich during chinese new year you get chinese ships from commissions or is it no more?

[eternal moth]

Not from commissions, but there are ships from the events

[barren abyss]

Where do you find prototype gear parts from? I have 4 and need one more but cant find them anywhere. Guild isnt much help

[sweet delta]

various places in opsi

[barren abyss]

Opsi?

[undone plover]

Operation Siren

[barren abyss]

Thank you.

Ill grind away

[rigid onyx]

are DR7 prints in the medal shop now

[thorn tartan]

when or how do i get the SY-1a missile?

[eager mulch]

when the event bar reaches 0%

[rigid onyx]

if you participate at all before the raid progress reaches 0 you should get it

[feral salmon]

Why do pp prefer pancake over FW 190 a5 for Support Carrier Fleet in W15? Because Pancake have more eHP, AVI stat and better crash dmg?

[thorn tartan]

does the FW190 do AA?

[sweet delta]

because it was tested to be better

[feral salmon]

The gap between is huge? I just made 6 FW 190 a5

[thorn tartan]

sounds like you are about where I am. I just did what I was told tho

[spring bolt]

fw is too slow for ch 15, interception cd is 11.37, while flapjack is 9.01s

[sweet delta]

not huge, and purple is fine until it fails

[glossy ruin]

Chat which spring festival ship should i invite

[undone plover]

not like u wasted lots of rare mats for em
purple mats are a dime a dozen

[fathom apex]

i need help. how do i actually start fu shuns great adventrue, i press start but it brings up the thing to weaken the boss but not play

[sweet delta]

you can save it until you have obtained all but one ship from other sources, then use it on the last ship

[thorn tartan]

gotta hit cancel i think

[fathom apex]

nvm im dumb, your meant to press cancel

[thorn tartan]

i didn't understand it either....

[glossy ruin]

Aight

[white agate]

start->game pauses prompting you if you want to weaken enemy-> cancel wich works like a x to go out of pause

[spring bolt]

yostar localization failure, in CN it's "continue" not "cancel" to start

[fathom apex]

they should make it play instead 😭

[white agate]

how do you mess up cancel and continue, are their characters similar?

[thorn tartan]

just a language issue

[spring bolt]

not at all...

[slow fox]

dfg spotted

[stark quiver]

should give us gems for mental distress

[white agate]

1 cube and 2k coins

[thorn tartan]

am i wrong, or is there not much to do except the 15 hard and 5 ex battles per day for this event?

[sweet delta]

the custom has separate rewards

[white agate]

pretty much that's it and using oil for colours and the other currency

[thorn tartan]

how do i use oil for colors?

[fallow sedge]

About to clear 10-4 and closing in on lvl 80 how hard is w11

[spring bolt]

most likely the one did the translation didn't have the full picture what this button is for, and didn't check the original text...
logically speaking, this button is for not weakening the enemy, that part is no issue for using "cancel", but this button is also used for starting the game

[white agate]

the mission gives them to you once you use oil

[undone plover]

did anyone do the math on 5 hard + 5 ex?
does it get you the tokens u need for 38k?

[thorn tartan]

oh, i see. i was trying to figure out how to advance the coloring thing

[white agate]

why only 5 hard?, isn't 15 the number aviable?

[undone plover]

i think u want to hit 10/day for the ticket mission
but idk if EX counts for it

[thorn tartan]

i get 318 points per ex

i'm not sure that I need the extra points tho......

[undone plover]

my idea is to run EX over hard
but u cant only do that cuz the tickets are limited
so 5 hard gets u 1-2 more tickets to allow 5 EX per day

[white agate]

yes, but why? i mean, it costs nearly nothing to do 15 hard + 5 ex

[nimble knoll]

Should I MLB my Yk2? cuz I can rn

[thorn tartan]

I do all the little things the game tells me to do and end up doing 15 hard and 5 ex per day......

[cobalt gate]

ugh i wish the event didn't change my farming settings. so annoying

[spring bolt]

[cobalt gate]

who coded this

[thorn tartan]

What are your other options?

[nimble knoll]

She's my only UR at the moment

[thorn tartan]

You are new then. Sure why not. She'll be awesome.

[nimble knoll]

[thorn tartan]

My first UR was unzen. I MLB her and she still rocks!

Eventually you have plenty of UR to pick from. Plus they keep adding new URs.... Pretty soon they will start SURs?

[nimble knoll]

[cobalt gate]

nah we get like 8 ur a year

[tender girder]

After getting helena and unicorn in guild shop.. and the shop has refreshed, should i keep on getting helena and unicorn dupe?

[thorn tartan]

nope

[tender girder]

What other characters should i pick then?

[keen sable]

if you absolutely need to save purple bulins but generally very low priority

[thorn tartan]

grab the 2 gold ones from the medal shop every month. You'll get enterprise at some point, I can't remember how.

[sweet delta]

depends on what you have

[keen sable]

none if you can't use them and they just clog your dock

[bright tusk]

light armor boss
spearfish > converging torp?

[sweet delta]

assuming same enhancement and not amagi

[storm heron]

[eager mulch]

[cobalt gate]

so ur event will be end of feb right? or just after this event ends

[versed forum]

should i craft my first 2 flapjack or wait for first wyvern? I only have 55 electronics rn

[keen sable]

neither. junkers sounds good

[versed forum]

i almost forgot that german plane

[nimble knoll]

Who's better Yk2 Or Aquila? (In your guy's Opinion)

[cobalt gate]

aquila is more generic

[forest palm]

they don't compare 1:1

[sweet delta]

in my opinion, they do different things

[soft raft]

they do different things
York2 is damage oriented
Aquila is mainly used as a secondary healer

[nimble knoll]

Owh

[white agate]

one costs ur bulin, the other gold bulin; also different fleet roles so no point in comparing them imo

[nimble knoll]

I have both of em, and I can MLB both so I was wondering which one I should use at the moment

[keen sable]

you want both. it's that easy

[zenith heron]

You do know that they use separate Bulins? So you can do both unless you lack coins and Bulins

[sweet delta]

aquila then, might as well semi preload your vittorio

[keen sable]

someone else finally noticed

[nimble knoll]

[storm heron]

xeno has aquila?

[cobalt gate]

so is lime a better bb staff cat than oscar most of the time？

[nimble knoll]

I got her randomly from the special, I won the SR Luck-

[zenith heron]

I am jealous tbh

[sweet delta]

assuming equal talents, lime is better

[nimble knoll]

Why is my luck so good when I'm not trying to get anything.. But when I actually want something I just don't get it-

[keen sable]

aquila isn't the lucksack. vv, aquila is with a helping of yorkii thrown in. and yet they keep getting told to use neither. that a non retro nelson is someone "good"

[zenith heron]

Also I know Breguet's and Wyvern's intercept is ass compared to the fighters, but may I know how largely significant it is? Considering I have no Wyvern to compare to the likes of Flapjack and Breguet?

[nimble knoll]

Uni is better at healing than Aquila right?

[keen sable]

but your uni not retro so...

[barren tapir]

i mean random aquila is pretty luccsacc, vv and yk2 is just bonus luccsacc

[keen sable]

uni kind of sucks for you currently

[barren tapir]

aquila good as secondary healer or extra preload

[forest palm]

Breguet, and Wyvern Intercept is actually about as good as a Hellcat afaik which is rather good

[nimble knoll]

I just need more gold retro blueprints really, cuz I'm 5 away

[stark quiver]

just take the flandre doggo

[storm heron]

am I cooked

[stark quiver]

no just take the flandre

[mellow cape]

Not the purple medium project?

Aren't those pretty good

[keen sable]

why would you want to do chapter 8 or whatever

[storm heron]

[late flame]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[crisp raven]

do you have enough time qued up to wait until daily reset?

[barren tapir]

idk why ppl think their intercept is bad, it's bonus planes firing halfdecent aa guns at enemy planes, considering your fighters no matter how good they are have a cooldown and limited number of planes, adding more planes on a slightly different cooldown for staggering waves is in fact, quite good. there's a reason wyvern is so highly recommended in campaign

[stark quiver]

its either the flandre or the g1.5

[nimble knoll]

So when my Uni is Retro she's better than Aquila but because she isn't, Aquila is better?

[zenith heron]

Now I am curious, but still shit against Flapjack, Sea Hornet, and Tigercat I guess... in terms of Intercept

[storm heron]

I think I might as well wait reset later lol

[hollow gust]

if there are all shit then you take the shortest one

[keen sable]

is uni SL10 and Aquila SL1?

[hollow gust]

1:30 grant is fine

[dreamy blade]

whats the best setup for amagi cv vs medium? skyraider+tb+tb? or tenrai instead of a tb

[nimble knoll]

SL?

[keen sable]

skill level

[stark quiver]

la9,skyraider,tb

[storm heron]

lol ok

[nimble knoll]

SL 7 for Uni and 1 for Aquila

[hollow gust]

La-9 double vit

[dreamy blade]

what if i dont have any la9s

[barren tapir]

i didnt know it was that good ngl, cos hellcat is like one of the top aa with bomb fighters only beaten in aa by flapjack and non-bomb fighters iirc (and if im not right, then im only 1-2 fighters off from right)

[stark quiver]

why am i getting a disgust face

[keen sable]

yeah...

[nimble knoll]

Uni better?

[forest palm]

literally look at the cannons

[hollow gust]

skyraider will basically never work

[keen sable]

if you ask me use two fleets

[lucid hamlet]

what ship is recommended to get from the spring festival invitation? I already have taihou tai yuan and chen hai

[stark quiver]

too slow?

[barren tapir]

iirc amagi torp buff makes torp better on medium than other options besides la9

[storm heron]

wait what really

[barren tapir]

it's also easier to sync than skyraider

[nimble knoll]

Don't have enough gear to split, but in da future I would but I'd rather focus on one

[barren tapir]

i am EN i dont read but yeah i mean i assumed theyre gold fighter good just not hellcat specifically

[dreamy blade]

well i dont have an la9 so what goes in her first slot, skyraider or like a bf109g

[hollow gust]

well yeah, LA-9 is already slow asf, raider will jjust make it worse. TB amagi s fine considering her buff

[keen sable]

then no yorkii for you

[barren tapir]

i certainly saw them putting in good work

[hollow gust]

tenrai double vit is fine too

[nimble knoll]

God zammit.. And she's already MLB-.. Welp time to farm levels on Aquila so she can get to level 70

[storm heron]

huh apparently breg's anti air is just 20% lower than hellcat, and about the same as tigercat

[barren tapir]

i mean personally id use yk2 and uni for now and keep aquila for 2nd fleet then later swap yk2 and aquila. atm ur prolly still lvling skills too anyway

[forest palm]

basically Wyvern = Flap, and Breguet = Hellcat

[storm heron]

I looked at the AA on planes

[nimble knoll]

Idk what skills I should prioritize-

[stark quiver]

unis healing

[barren tapir]

wait its identical to flapjack

how tf some jokers claiming its cope aa

[nimble knoll]

Uni's healing is already SL 7 so who should I focus leveling their skill with Uni? Yk2 or someone else

[storm heron]

why people look at the ordnance

[barren tapir]

only diff is it flies faster and longer cd, but diff cd is good imo it staggers your AA intercept to cover more enemy waves

[forest palm]

Ordnance is the bombers/rockets

[zenith heron]

That's the point...

Probably the Rate of Fire diff, but I am confused as is..

[barren tapir]

wyvern hella gamer basically

[forest palm]

the point is Wyvern Passive Intercept is rather strong

[storm heron]

hellcat is 67, 14 with 50 spd compared to breg's 54, 9 with 52 spd

[barren tapir]

the rof isnt even an issue really

[nimble knoll]

?

[storm heron]

time to throw hands

[barren tapir]

bc that assumes planes coming 24/7 and having their launch staggered probably means less wasted intercept too

similar concept i would figure to staggering cv launches in campaign

[gloomy prairie]

How many points do you need to get all the rewards in advanced challenge?

[forest palm]

I already posted all this info thanks for being slow

[keen sable]

10000

[barren tapir]

also this means breguet pretty good use of core data after shells, because wyverns come in pretty slow after your first 2

[dreamy blade]

yeah i bought 2 poverty wyverns

[forest palm]

but ya the disadvantage really comes down to plane speed, you want passive intercept to stay on screen for as long as possible

[barren tapir]

most late chapter fleets probably have at least 2 tb slots per fleet, so if ur poor u should use 1 wyvern 1 breg each

[storm heron]

wyvern is 43, 13, 52 compared to hellcat's 67, 14, 50 how is this comparable though I don't get it, do you just look at the burst

[barren tapir]

you look at their cannons they have identical stats

i mean flapjack and wyvern*

idk how intercept "dps" is calculated

[storm heron]

[nimble knoll]

Should I equip the Hellcat Hvar Or Just The Regular Purple Hellcat on Yk2?

[barren tapir]

whatever is burst aa tho should be most important

intercept dps also prolly factors in their uhh intercept cd? dunno

[stark quiver]

hvar has no AA and is only good against light armor enemies

[barren tapir]

which isnt a good factor bc intercept cd, lower is better sure but what matters more is that your intercept wave actually kills enemy planes

[storm heron]

omg shiden kai has 33% more bust aa, it's definitely better than flapjack for ch15!

[barren tapir]

so the dmg they deal on each intercept matters more than 'avg' dmg over a fight

[keen sable]

you have two +6 purple hellcats?

[barren tapir]

i dont think thats how it works...aa is weird tho

[forest palm]

if you could get a T3S to fire under 10 sec perhaps

[eager mulch]

real?

[barren tapir]

but the thing is you really wanna kill as many planes as possible, 20 planes at 30% hp left is worse than 10 planes at 100% hp left because all of them will come around again after crashing into your backline...stacking on top of any new wave that came

[nimble knoll]

Only one, I'm low on gear-

[storm heron]

burst AA is the most important thing !!

[barren tapir]

and the more planes the more diluted your AA tends to get which probably snowballs

[keen sable]

hvar is fine for poverty. you're past the really bad aa stages anyway

[barren tapir]

[forest palm]

who the fuck told you that

[rigid onyx]

how do people read that as anything but sarcastic

[storm heron]

not you

[nimble knoll]

First pic is for the fighters, and the 2nd pic is for Aircrafts, which one should I use? (For yk2)

[barren tapir]

i mean looking at it, shiden kai looks decent for aa? i thought the reason ppl use flaps is good aa, slow speed, 1000lb bombs.

[viscid swift]

you would be suprised at the amount of brain dead stuff that gets said here unironically

[barren tapir]

ah wait it's too fast moving

[viscid swift]

not always easy to tell sarcasm

[keen sable]

and is kai slow?

[eager mulch]

what does cheeky’s name mean now

[storm heron]

time to stop throwing hands

[forest palm]

I just blame suchi half the time cause he's nothing but sarcasm

[barren tapir]

i mean idek what burst aa refers to on wiki, im simply talking about the intercept's actual dmg done to planes as a set, rather than dividing it by their reload

[white agate]

cheeky pouch, he can restore hp if he eats berries

[viscid swift]

how to start the mini game

[barren tapir]

because if your intercept doesnt actually kill any planes its not as good as if it did kill planes even if it reloads 1s faster

[nimble knoll]

Is helldiver good for yk2?

[storm heron]

dw I also don't understand how the intercept AA work, I really only depend on the wiki

[rigid onyx]

all I know about aa is that if people show you just numbers as evidence they're probably incorrect

[forest palm]

then you really have no leg in this argument

[barren tapir]

idk what is legit and what isnt im just kinda guesstimating based on how i saw it work in ch13

tldr wyvern good

[stark quiver]

whats the argument about this time gph

[barren tapir]

but ye if anyone with a phd in fighter intercept could teach us

[storm heron]

never had one in the first place

[nimble knoll]

[barren tapir]

its hard to learn just going off random wiki data

[dreamy blade]

purple helldiver is good for campaign on any cv with a dive bomber slot

[forest palm]

Fybre regurgitating wiki info he has no clue about

[white agate]

explain aa math to us

[barren tapir]

unless someone says otherwise my take from everything posted is wyvern good aa with similar output to flapjack but longer rld and flies faster

actually, do plane aa guns scale off the ship's efficiency and avi stat

[nimble knoll]

So it's not good for Yk2 cuz she doesn't have a Dive bomber slot, but has aircraft, but she can use Helldiver

[viscid swift]

they scale off slot efficiency and AVI stat

[barren tapir]

asking cos if so it's possible for wyvern to do more than flap on some ships with tb skewed loadouts

[stark quiver]

idk im a casual, i ask gph, they tell me, and i follow

[barren tapir]

so in conclusion...anyone saying wyvern intercept is cope is a

[viscid swift]

well I wouldn't call it equivalent to Flapjack AA for one

[mellow cape]

Isn't it because of the flapjack's travel speed that makes it have more prevalence for AA vs a faster plane like wyvern lol

[dreamy blade]

yk2 has a flex slot so you would put whatever your best plane is there, for campaign you would want a helldiver or a parallel torp like the barracuda

[white agate]

i don't think anybody ever said wyvern bad

[barren tapir]

equivalent guns, not equivalent aa. flapjack has better aa characteristics

[nimble knoll]

I see, alright then

[barren tapir]

youd be surprised

[rigid onyx]

wyvern is the 2nd best parallel torp bomber and in leagues ahead of gold options as well as being a lot cheaper than the best

[dreamy blade]

and since it's a flex slot when you reach ch12/13 that requires heavy AA you can instead use a fighter there

[barren tapir]

that wasnt the point of contention, but okay.

[viscid swift]

we're not turning this into a Wyvern-Spearfish debate

[white agate]

i think the only ur thing i ever heard not being that good from here is the spearfish plane?
(and well i never read about ca cl and dd guns so idk bout that)

[barren tapir]

[nimble knoll]

For Aux? This is all yk2 can equip at the moment

[white agate]

what about craft in te depot?

[sweet delta]

[dreamy blade]

blue catapult and toolkit until you get another aviation aux

[barren tapir]

also my bad, it was inconsequential, not cope

[white agate]

wait, so spearfish is good??!!

[stark quiver]

you guys look at wiki for gear stats?

[nimble knoll]

...

[sweet delta]

always has been

[barren tapir]

there was also an ass comment

[sweet delta]

there is wyvern cope, look harder for it

[barren tapir]

corsair good

[nimble knoll]

Lemme make it then

[stark quiver]

dont worry, there are always copers for ships/gear

[white agate]

no decent aux for cv atm

[nimble knoll]

What's better hellcat or corsair?

[barren tapir]

purple, corsair. gold, hellcat

[nimble knoll]

Mhm.. I need to farm more

[barren tapir]

and in the long run, corsair turns into flapjack so

[nimble knoll]

Alright, time to +6 the corsair

[mellow cape]

Start your PR researches for gear lol

[white agate]

did you craft t3 boxes from t2 and t1?

[barren tapir]

corsair safe to +10 even because it turns into flapjack and refunds all your plates

[nimble knoll]

Yeh

[nimble knoll]

[barren tapir]

they might be a bit early

[storm heron]

so do we just look at the guns and speed for intercepting plane

[barren tapir]

not sure how many spare plates they have, or coin

[nimble knoll]

I made it +9

[barren tapir]

research takes you know...stuff

[rigid onyx]

isn't it always recommended for new players to just do every free research in pr4

[mellow cape]

^

[barren tapir]

i saw their purple plate situation earlier, i dont expect their blue/gray to be much better

[storm heron]

or I guess yeah it's true that wyvern = flapjack as said

[barren tapir]

sure do research when you can but until you actually get on your feet i wouldnt prioritize it over upgrading gear or ships

[white agate]

i think with coining for agir they can skip to pr 7?

[rigid onyx]

wyverns vs flapjack is I guess a comparison but they aren't really equal

[barren tapir]

pr4 still wortth gearwise and you'd wanna do pr5 first not pr7

[storm heron]

I mean like aa wise

[rigid onyx]

Wyvern has 20% more speed so it leaves faster and also slower reload

[hard gorge]

Quick question, for mobbing is Perseus or Retrofitted Unicorn better as a healer?

[barren tapir]

theyre not bc wyvern flies faster and has slower reload but the raw output from a single aa firing should be identical

[white agate]

yep, pr5 first then pr7 and coining for agir and ancho

[barren tapir]

unicorn

[storm heron]

so which one right now

[nimble knoll]

I'm already doing pr4 cuz I wanna get agir, and I've been doing the free research

[barren tapir]

pretty sure taz meant in terms of equipped guns

[storm heron]

I see

[barren tapir]

wyvern might get 1 less shot off than flap though, and reloads 2s slower

[rigid onyx]

breguets effective intercept is better than wyvern iirc

[storm heron]

so just not the AA

[nimble knoll]

Should I switch to pr5 or wat?

[barren tapir]

personally i dont think the rld is a concern, staggering your intercept is probably a good thing. but the faster flying speed is a detriment compared to flap

[storm heron]

or at least not necessarily

[barren tapir]

same speed as wyvern so only reason i could think this is, better reload

[rigid onyx]

wyverns main selling point is being leagues better surface damage than gold alternatives and the AA is a bonus

[barren tapir]

breguet guns are like hellcat guns

[nimble knoll]

Should I replace my Nelson for Yk2?

[barren tapir]

hellcat is great aa but i thought flap is better, or is flap only better cos of speed

[barren tapir]

yes id run vv, yk2, uni

[nimble knoll]

Who's the middle? VV or Yk2?

[viscid swift]

the Battleship

[barren tapir]

pr4 and pr5 both good, it's been a hot ass debate in here for half a year now. pr4 has better gear but everything is coinable so...and pr5 has plymouth i guess

[white agate]

i mean, if it flies slower it gets more proiectiles fired due to being on screen more time so i think comparing the 2 guns and reloads is the way

[barren tapir]

pr5 has good gear too but not as good overall as pr4

[barren tapir]

which is why flap is better i assume

[undone plover]

pr4 better short term
pr5 better long term

[ivory pawn]

What's PR5 have that's so good? Obviously Plygun, but what golds?

[nimble knoll]

I see

[viscid swift]

that's pretty much it

[rigid onyx]

the Bréguet intercept being better than wyvern may be misinformation this is based off of very distant recall

[barren tapir]

but also it's not cut and dry, it MIGHT get an extra shot off but it really depends on when it first fired, and if there are more planes to shoot at. their guns have like 0.8s rld so they might not actually get +1 shot off in all cases

[ivory pawn]

Plygun is that good, noted.

[white agate]

the gold dd gun is nce to have, i don't think it's foundamaental tho

[storm heron]

plymouth, plygun, dd gun, and probably it?

[barren tapir]

harbin gun is a good dd gun but otherwise nothing noteworthy

[viscid swift]

honestley, the way I see it is the play is PR7 not PR5

[barren tapir]

the real draw of pr5 is just plymouth really, so pr4 still looks better imo

[storm heron]

wait hold up that means skipping plymouth right?

[barren tapir]

actually ur right probably, cos if they coin all 3 pr5 prs and then go pr5 after then ply/brest will go by much much faster, so pr7 first is legit

[nimble knoll]

Which skill should I prioritize on Yk2?

[viscid swift]

until after PR7 is done yes

[rigid onyx]

if you can't afford to do non-free researches i'd stick with pr4 so that you can get some decent gold gear early on

[undone plover]

skipping till u finish pr7
in the meantime u can coin pr5 and go back to it when the gold ships are done

[barren tapir]

idk if id wait until pr7 is fully done tho, id go to pr5 once only ply and brest show up in face

[white agate]

yep, but i think we can skip pr4 and use core for blueprints each month?
so due to coining and protocore shop pr 4 can be jumped in favour of pr5 and pr7

[nimble knoll]

[barren tapir]

and i still think pr4 has merit solely off gear alone...

[viscid swift]

well coining all the PRs to max is gonna take almost 5 months

[storm heron]

just upgrade everything, but probably yellow nvm red first, misremembered the color as yellow red red

[barren tapir]

can just coin to dev30, that's 3 months

[mellow cape]

That's what I'm doing for the fate unlock of Felix lol, just waiting every month to drip feed my last ship that needs a fate

[barren tapir]

wait nvm they dont get removed ignore me

[rigid onyx]

pr4 probably is getting removed in the next gearlab update anyways so you'll be forced onto pr7 then anyways

[white agate]

yep, but to be honest main priority are ancho,ply, avp and brest and we can get 150 blueprints for each dr and 300 for one pr, marco polo is skippable till needed for tech i think?

[undone plover]

i think jumping between seasons gets complicated for newer players tho
so just doing them 1 by 1 is easiest

[barren tapir]

you can go pr4 tho, it's just it wont show up unless you select it

[viscid swift]

that as well

[barren tapir]

is pr4 no longer worth it then

[storm heron]

after pr5 coining exist pr4 becomes valuable again lol

[undone plover]

I wouldnt do it personally but it is still an ok choice

[barren tapir]

the gear is very good still

[white agate]

i kind of started pr5 2 month ago with agir at dev 25 betting on pr4 dr coining, thankfully it paid and i got ply brest and agir in 1 week at dev 30

[rigid onyx]

pr4 is worth it when you're bottlenecked by coins but once you can start to afford to research more effeciently pr7 is better

new players are very very bottlenecked by coins

[viscid swift]

if that's the argument PR7 would still be better because more La-9 prints is never a bad thing

[storm heron]

cardspotted

[undone plover]

sure but u can protocore and gearlab (soon TM) whatever is crucial
and the gear is good but not necessarily all crucial

[barren tapir]

yeah which is why i dont get the instant pr7 thing ngl

[rigid onyx]

because they get pr4 gold gear early on

[nimble knoll]

[undone plover]

like what content can u not do if u miss some pr4 gear

[rigid onyx]

pr7 is better in the multiyear long-term ig

[barren tapir]

gearlab will be expensive for sure

[storm heron]

pr7 notable gears are the double planes?

[nimble knoll]

Also does Yk2 Activate her fighting lady skill two times or what?

[viscid swift]

that's gonna be such a short period of time to be inconsequential, they're not gonna spend enough time to get much if anything if they're doing it efficiently

[barren tapir]

cant this be said for pr7 also

[undone plover]

the thing is researching older seasons also has a cost that might not be very obvious
every month u spend in pr4 could be a month u spend on newer seasons to catchup

[dreamy blade]

daisen gun for sushi

[barren tapir]

la9 is great ofc but ppl surely survived before its existence? so pr7 first mostly just makes sense to "catch up" and not cos it has better/more important overall gear than pr4...imo

[white agate]

and also by doing new season when it becomes coinable ad the 300 blueprints catchup appears you can get protocore shop currency for free right?

[barren tapir]

[rigid onyx]

You'll be basically getting 0 face prints from newer pr seasons, and probably less than 10 of each gold print if you're forced onto free researches for the first month of playing, it just saves newer players a bit of protocore

[barren tapir]

i mean at that point it doesnt matter which you do early. but id lean pr4 then for that cos it helps save some protocore prints

[viscid swift]

Protocores won't be the play for catching up with PR4 gear in all likelihood

[undone plover]

yeah more or less
the idea is to catchup without too much pain
its not like research is the only source of good gear
starting any season from pr4+ is fine
the later u go the better it is long term
short term PR4 is the least painful

[sweet delta]

so probably less than 10 of each gold print from PR4 if you're forced onto free researches for the first month of playing would be useful?

[barren tapir]

since u only get 20 per month and each gear takes 25

i guess pr4 free research/plate research until ch12 range, then go pr7?

[rigid onyx]

saving the 500 protocore probably better than 1/5th of a vit2

[barren tapir]

protocore is also most valuable early

[viscid swift]

it's La-9 prints you'd be after not Vit-2s

[barren tapir]

every single completed gear is phat boost

[undone plover]

the thing is we used to tell ppl to get tenrai for protocore
now sure tenrai is good
but u can also get ~8 gear for that price
And not like tenrai suddenly made u able to skip to ch15
same thing for wyvern
u just have to get them a bit later

[viscid swift]

but anyway, I hate the splitting between 2 seasons idea

either commit to PR7 or 4, don't flip flop between the 2

[barren tapir]

honestly i would first see the price of pr4 gear in the lab and then would decide if early pr4 until rich enough to pr7 makes sense

cos if pr4 is cheap then the protocore argument stops

the main argument for some pr4 is that protocore is 20 and you need 25, so just a bit of pr4 will help you obtain pr4 gear from protocore a month sooner, which can be huge for your first bfg or saiun

beyond that early stage i would go pr7 though

[storm heron]

is there a wiki thing where you can see the gear from each season?

[undone plover]

the most crucial gear early game is champy gun and triple 406 mk6
I doubt a few bf109/saiun would make a significant difference

[barren tapir]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Research_Academy#Prototype_Equipment

[storm heron]

finally some bfg enjoyer

[viscid swift]

I doubt 1 Bf-109G or Saiun would be that impactful

[barren tapir]

idk ppl yapped at me to do pr4 for bfg and saiun

[viscid swift]

you'd need to get them in quantity to make a meaningful fifference

[barren tapir]

[undone plover]

and saiun has junker as replacement anyway
and u can still get ryuusei/VIT-2 from other seasons
so really it is only for bf109

[storm heron]

imo the best thing about 1 bfg is you can use them to farm event easily as bfg rockets hurts more than 2 corsairs bombs therefore uni kill elite faster, but wdyt?

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't go quite that far

[nimble knoll]

What's better for Yk2 Scepter or Bow?

[barren tapir]

a saiun is good to have for timing adj

[sharp socket]

i dunno what you're arguing/cooking but the most crucial gear for me early on was a bunch of toolboxes

[stark quiver]

lol

[barren tapir]

i got ten trillion of those from basically every event i played in...most crucial gear is gold rudder

[storm heron]

idk my most crucial gear was a bfg, a white vit, and a mk6

[white agate]

bow is only used vs heavy armor really i think

[barren tapir]

well crucial and also hard to get, mk6 is crucial but bullshit easy to get

[sharp socket]

well the lack of plates for them all was probably a bigger problem

[barren tapir]

wrong bow

[barren tapir]

scepter in most cases but dont craft any yet

[storm heron]

anyways I like pr4 for the current newbs because of the gears they offer, the only waste really is just the marco polo prints and the SAP bb gun

[sharp socket]

i never used bfg or saiun until i got nano haku avp going

[barren tapir]

its funny how i get swayed over to pr4 best just in time for meta to change again

[nimble knoll]

[sharp socket]

and never sap bb gun either

[viscid swift]

I mean I'm still gonna argue for it

[slow fox]

Real and eHPpilled

[barren tapir]

cos unique augments are far more important

[nimble knoll]

[sharp socket]

if anything the twin 90 AA gun was my favourite gear from pr4

[white agate]

right, i confused it with crossbow for bb

[undone plover]

there is valid arguments for all pr4+ seasons
just depends what the person values

[barren tapir]

and augment resources are very slow, scarce, and timegated especially early

[sharp socket]

still using 3 of those for w15

[barren tapir]

no argument for pr6 besides waifu

[viscid swift]

the long term argument I get but at the same time I really don't fully support

[nimble knoll]

...

[storm heron]

you are very bottlenecked by gold early on

[barren tapir]

wait so what is the actual good path now i thought we were thinking pr7 start

[nimble knoll]

I have 30k at the moment

[barren tapir]

not even that, gold is farmable, aug cores and aug exp... 🥶

[storm heron]

2200 for a bit stats isn't as useful as +10 mk6, +10 helldiver, or sandy's or hood's unique augment

[viscid swift]

among other things, it's just going too far into the future and so much can change in that time, not to mention it doesn't really inhibit getting to "endgame" really

[undone plover]

my thinking:
PR7 best
PR5 most straightforward
PR4 most comfort early on

[storm heron]

wait is it 2200 for purple augments

[barren tapir]

purple augments is one of the last things u do to boost a ship or fleet i only very recently began making any

[rigid onyx]

pr5 just seems incorrect

[white agate]

yeah, i remember avoiding all ships with unique augment except sandy due to too expensive

[sharp socket]

there is no endgame except w15 which for most people takes like 2 years anyway

[nimble knoll]

Fu-
I did a dum dum

[barren tapir]

endgame is what matters to the individual in terms of game goals

[cunning bison]

whats going on here????

[cobalt gate]

i mean meta is more endgame

[barren tapir]

hypothetically if my endgame is 10 plyguns pr5 is the meta for me, after all

[sharp socket]

even my not so optimised playing got me to w15 in 1 year

[viscid swift]

end game in this case is basically how many copies of UR gear from PR you have

[undone plover]

we are just chatting
no reason to make a big deal out of it
everyone is being respectful
having a discussion every now and then is fine

[barren tapir]

i like such discussions anyway it gives a lot of thoughts

[cunning bison]

hmm ic

[viscid swift]

the argument for not doing PR4 as I understand it is you won't have as many La-9s and such compared to older folks which is uhhh

[sharp socket]

i agree with faer that pr5 is going to be chosen season for new player now

[nimble knoll]

So should i switch to pr5 instead of pr4?

[barren tapir]

well we're already cooked on this so i view it as a meh argument yea

[viscid swift]

I don't find PR5 compelling enough got it to be first

[undone plover]

not just that
u will catchup slower
so when pr8 releases then u are in the same dillema
should u skip 7 now for 8?
whereas if u finish all your seasons u then just start 8 at that point and dont have to worry

[sharp socket]

cause ply is good, brest is good, harbin is quite ok, ruppy and chalk are fine too but not a big focus

[barren tapir]

pr5 is only plymouth really so i agree, pr5 is now deadge. it makes most sense to return to pr5 after coining all pr5 prs so ply is easier to speedrun

[undone plover]

so the sooner u finish all seasons the better
Not just cuz of La9

U can always go back to older seasons and catchup to them faster with coin and catchup

U cant do that with pr7 when 8 releases for example

[barren tapir]

pr5 has good ships overall imo, but theyre not good enough

[storm heron]

pr5 has 4 useless gear, 3 more useless gear than pr4

[sharp socket]

gear wise its plygun, still the best CL gun, harbin gun, one of the best DD guns aside from rainbow, and the rest is meh really

[barren tapir]

idk i like the parallel tb, its better than cuda

[undone plover]

also with coining u will finish older seasons at a random UR gear print
For example u will finish PR4 without having tenrai
So now u might as well stay and finish it otherwise all those prints are useless

[barren tapir]

poor pr6

[undone plover]

basically not being cought up on research is a problem
and the more u focus older seasons the more u are kicking the can down the road

[barren tapir]

youll never be caught up tho

theyll always have more UR gear than you. always

[undone plover]

u will be
u just finish pr7 before pr8 and u are cought up

[viscid swift]

okay but let me ask you this question, what does not being caught up really do though

[sharp socket]

but i am catching up

[cunning bison]

just fomo tbh

[barren tapir]

is there actually a way to catch up on total number of plygun, tenrai, and la9s to equal a veteran bc i dont think it's possible

[sharp socket]

im almost halfway through first la9 and have all the necessary from before pr7 in under 1 year of playing

[cobalt gate]

i'm sure we will be getting better equipment down the road

[barren tapir]

so i think 'catching up' is wrong way...its moreso do pr7 so you dont fall behind more

[viscid swift]

you can, it's just a really long waiting and patience game

[sharp socket]

but you're not even falling behind

[barren tapir]

i dont see how u catch up tho in gearcount unless the vet takes a break lol

[sharp socket]

its not like the devs add new harder content or anything

[stark quiver]

why do you feel the need to "catch up" to vets

[storm heron]

comfort and flexibility of pr4 is more important imo, with different tanks and damage cv and a root, bis converging torp, bis general db, probably bis rocket plane for years

[cunning bison]

shhhhh

[barren tapir]

like i start pr7 now lets say, and vet has 2 la9s also doing pr7, wont they always be 2 la9s ahead of me barring good rng

[viscid swift]

you prioritize getting gear that's further away from being added to the lab and catch up by using the gear lab when that gear gets added for the stuff that's added sooner

[barren tapir]

i dont really, but im questioning the use of said term in general

[sharp socket]

ok but theres no leaderboard or rewards to compete for?

[barren tapir]

which is why i think the whole 'catch up' argument is pointless

[sharp socket]

i thought we use catchup because thats what the game calls it

[storm heron]

reward is imo something like "I have 1 more la9 than suchiguma"

[white agate]

oh, when i use it i mean catch up to the current season not with other players, that is entirely different

[barren tapir]

well the argument is starting pr7 lets you catch up or something

[undone plover]

sure but why does that matter?
u wont catchup to vets ever
everyone gets the same resources
but u can catchup to what is needed
for example 2-3 tenrai is good and "needed"
someone might have 10 but I would consider u cought up at 2-3

[barren tapir]

and my take is, if you care anyway, it's less catch up and more not falling behind

[cunning bison]

whats the use of tenrai anyways? (if u have skyraider)

[sharp socket]

big DB

[barren tapir]

cos yeah, finishing pr7 before pr8 helps you begin pr8 on the same foot as older players, which in a sense means you're no longer 'behind' there, but you'd still be 'behind' on past seasons.

[storm heron]

bis heavy and campaign db

[white agate]

yep, with the current season, i mean i feel more happy by having the latest gear trend than some old gear i can eventually get through other means

[sharp socket]

use in campaign mainly

[barren tapir]

so idk if i really can consider that catching up granted, this is just my semantics issue rearing its head

cos i alr accept i never catch up in the literal sense

[cunning bison]

so wld 1 frm research and 1 frm shop be enuf

[storm heron]

that's catching up

[sharp socket]

that is what im using in w15 so yes

[undone plover]

really tough to answer cheeky
but imo it forces u into these situations where u have to make a decision which season to prioritize
which is ofc not a big deal
but the sooner u are done with this the better so u can focus newer seasons and have a straightforward research

and it just doesnt make sense to waste gold on older seasons when catchup and coining is a thing
u are being less efficient

[sharp socket]

i forgot to add skyraider into the mix actually i might do that, totally forgot i had it

[barren tapir]

depends if u view catching up as narrowing the gap, or closing it entirely, cos i view it as the latter and disagree that you can truly do it. not that it should matter, but...

[viscid swift]

yeah I think that's the issue

[stark quiver]

or you can also wait for gear lab update and see how to go from there

[sharp socket]

is skyraider good in w15

[barren tapir]

but wouldnt you also be able to argue that catchup/coining help speed up earlier seasons so you can wipe them quicker

[sharp socket]

can i use it in boss for 15-3

[storm heron]

imo overkill when they connect, and hit like wet towel when there's heavy elites

[viscid swift]

because I feel like with your approach you're almost asusming/pushing that person on to the "meta" path intentionally or not when that may not be their interest

[barren tapir]

i used skyraider in 13-1 to 13-3 boss

[storm heron]

actually good point

[undone plover]

100% yes
but u can always leave older seasons knowing u will get catchup and coining for them at some point
or if u dont like staying in 7/8 to farm gear u can go back and finish them faster with catchup/rerun selectors and event selectors
u can even use pr7 selectors on pr5 or 6
so the older seasons will be "boosted" kind of

[viscid swift]

my approach is mainly getting players through the mid-game, they can do most things comfortably like clear abyssals, and 2 shot metas

[storm heron]

but there's like a lot of enemies before the boss right?

[viscid swift]

from there they can pretty much do what they want and experiment while haveing the resources and abilities to do it abd fund it

[undone plover]

and I would argue pr4/5/6/7 all get u to that spot

now ofc pr4 will be more comfortable

[barren tapir]

i think chapters after 13 have too much preboss mobs for skyraider to be worth, its more single target focus and only good on light/med

[storm heron]

is the tradeoff worth it? also can the rocket even connect if the smokescreen suddenly appears

[viscid swift]

it would, my argument is mainly that PR4 is going to benefit you the most during that transitional period

[barren tapir]

but 13 was fine cos i got to boss within <20s every time lol

[sharp socket]

doesnt w15 have more light/med enemies

[nimble knoll]

I just need more levels and my Yk2 is MLB

[barren tapir]

rocket has less aoe than bomb tho doesnt it, id just use tenrai gamer

[storm heron]

yeah but there's so much enemies that skyraider's single taget kinda hurts

[undone plover]

yeah that is fair

[barren tapir]

well for this my take is pr4 gear best so we got back to where we started

[storm heron]

the boss case is definitely interesting though, surely somebody talked about it before when skyraider first released

[viscid swift]

also on another note in the debate, there is one issue we're over looking, tech points

[barren tapir]

pr7 is best long term but for establishing yourself asap in all content i think nothing can beat pr4...

and i do think rushing to be good enough for everything matters cos that's how you gain the most rewards per month and beyond that it doesnt rlly matter what you do, so you're free to make your own choices then

and its probably worth the slower very-end-game stuff

[white agate]

only point about pr4 is that it will suck a bit since you will surely get all the good ships to dev 30 without getting 50/50 tenrai

[barren tapir]

as a noob who did pr5 for waifu first and feels reasonably competent at everything that's immediately relevant for rewards tho, i think that what u pick isnt super serious and youl prolly do fine mostly on any of 4-7

[storm heron]

how does tech point matters though, wouldn't they just be pr focus 7 and doing pr4's tech requirement so they can coin them

[nimble knoll]

Is there a fast way to get commander Xp? Cuz I need 3 more levels to reach level 50

[barren tapir]

also i got screwed over on plygun prints, over a week of gear focus and 0 print, i just gave up bought the last 10 i need and move to pr7 bc i had ply dev30 lol

[white agate]

i think there was a tech points requirement for focusing the season researches?

[weary gust]

Only way is to run maps. Higher level enemies = more exp.

[storm heron]

cause the goal is to get pr4 ships asap for coining, so tech problem shouldn't be that much of a different

[undone plover]

I think cheeky means it will take time to develop them and THEN coin them
whereas if u focus pr4 for example u can get maybe 100 agir BP by the time u finish her
so she will reach dev30 much faster

[barren tapir]

well it matters for actually getting the pr7 ships but imo its not an issue you get pr4/fdg first anyway and need pr7 bps

[nimble knoll]

So just keep doing 6-4?

[barren tapir]

do event hard map

assuming you can, its low oil cap and very good cmdr exp/oil

[nimble knoll]

Can't beat it yet, well I did beat it but it was rng based-

[mellow cape]

does someone have that fleet tracker website. Imma sit down and make a list of who to dorm

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker

[mellow cape]

tyyyy

[storm heron]

isn't that already included in the discussion, where pr4 focus can get pr4 ships much earlier than pr7 focus aside from more gears

[barren tapir]

i will say also harbin gun pretty goated for reasonably accessible dd gun generally feels a good bit better than twin128 when i tried them out

[mellow cape]

one more question, do meta ships already give the fleet tech points or do i still have to max them and such level wise for the tech

[barren tapir]

and while it alone doesnt make pr5 great, you do feel the nice bonus for some good ship

at least til u can make 100kai i guess

[nimble knoll]

I'll try using my new fleet, and see but I don't think I can beat Hardmode of the event as my ships are underleveled and only uni and Laffey are level 90

[barren tapir]

but like i have 4 harbin guns i think, almost (hm, i shud go to pr5 for the last couple bps)

[white agate]

level 120

[mellow cape]

ah ty

[storm heron]

or I guess you're right, tech req is just to quantify the effect of not doing pr4 focus

[barren tapir]

give it a try, also with your gear enhanced etc

[viscid swift]

the issue with the PR7 reqs is that they're REALLY steep

meaning you can't realistically make use of like Napoli at an intermediate dev level

it's not really gonna something terribly impactful but it is rather inconvenient and a bit daunting for newer players

[sharp socket]

skyraider is DB so it should be aoe no?

[barren tapir]

only halford is somewhat accessible cos anchorage grind basically gets you to her doorstep but halford is also bad

[storm heron]

pretty sure they use hvars instead of bombs

[rigid onyx]

halford will be patched eventually

[barren tapir]

napoli good luck. cat good luck. daisen is gonna take haku and stuff, ijn kinda slow. bayard good luck lol

for tech halford >> daisen >>>>> rest of pr7, for ease of obtaining

[undone plover]

kind of
but the way we talk about it we are implying u can coin pr4 and pr5 from the get go and u will never stop
once one ship is done u can do the rest and u will finish both seasons in 6 months or so
I think cheeky just meant it is not that easy which is a fair point

but to me the long term benefit of later season is still there
sure it might be a bit painful to finish pr4-5-6 but u will get there eventually

[sharp socket]

but its DB hvar so it should turn into bombs?

or does it not work that way

[barren tapir]

and daisen is good but really imo best pr7 pr is bayard cos she isnt supplanted by a dozen UR bbs

so basically pr7 first, youll get the la9 which is great, but the ships themselves you wont get or be able to rely on for a long time, relatively speaking

[sharp socket]

i thought DBs only drop bombs

[storm heron]

they actually shoot rockets

[barren tapir]

also i would say, it's probably not very fun for new players from a non-meta perspective. working on a season for ships you wont use for ages and ages doesnt hit as good as working on a ship you can use in like a month or two down the line. long term goal, delayed gratification etc, is much less pleasing

[viscid swift]

yeah

[storm heron]

seeiing how cheeky and faer didn't react surely they shoot rocket and I wasn't hallucinating or being braindead for completely no reason at all right surely

[barren tapir]

skyraider shoots rockets

[rigid onyx]

imo the first 3 months of the game you should focus on the extreme short term and then once you can clear 12-4 & regularbitors you should start to move your time horizon to 1 yr+

[nimble knoll]

My Uni And Yk2 Literally Carried The Fight, Cuz I was making my vanguard not attack cuz they die too fast, So My Carriers and VV did all the heavy lifting-

[barren tapir]

skyraider also has a bomb, so it does both

[viscid swift]

this is also partly why I don't support the PR5 argument because you're gonna be spending potentially a few months working on coining AvP and Anchorage instead of Habin, Chkalov, and Ruphcrect diminishing the speed you can finish that season

[barren tapir]

so you manualed and managed to beat it or?

[nimble knoll]

Yup and no one died-

[storm heron]

wait I never noticed the 1x1000 bombs

[barren tapir]

pr5 first only works if you eschew conventional wisdom to focus a pr5 ship first for the feelsgoodfeelings

[viscid swift]

and I'm not opposed to anyone doing it either

[barren tapir]

tho tbf is it so bad to get avp and ancho done a little later, i mean i have both finished now

[viscid swift]

I just want them to be fully aware of the trade offs before\if they commit

[white agate]

most important thing we all agree seems telling people to not start pr1,2,3 and pr6

[sharp socket]

i mean i went to pr4 and coined fdg and didnt use her until 2 months later for w14 so i dont know what this argument was about

[soft raft]

well PR1 is excusable since they all gotta start from somewhere
And Roon is valueable German tech points

[storm heron]

"long term benefit" wise

[barren tapir]

pr1 is mostly good ships now tho with augment, but research focus yeahno

[soft raft]

Monarch Aug when

[mellow cape]

im coooked, im missing a couple blue ships for bb rld tech x.x

[sharp socket]

i used ancho early cause i like ancho and did gph suboptimal things like cdp for her

[barren tapir]

we know it's coming, i could guess within 1-2 months max, nep and saint and roon all came reasonable close together

[white agate]

game hates royal navy, it's a miracle neptune got buff

[viscid swift]

all of those ships should be easy to reobtain

[undone plover]

that is the best thing imo, giving advice and letting them decide
but rly hard to explain all the tradeoffs to new ppl

[sharp socket]

i did also d30 ancho on acquisition since i had been doing pr4 for a while by the time i got her and also had her catchup

[barren tapir]

me but with neptune and while i didnt use cdp for her i did indeed grind her out early rather than doing gph approved things

[nimble knoll]

Yup, I can beat Hardmode of the event easily now that I have Yk2 in the fleet.. Uni and Yk2 did all the carrying.. I guess they're called Aircrafts 'Carriers' for a reason

[viscid swift]

I think I'll suggest that to Sam for the guide rewrite

[barren tapir]

iirc i grinded her with sirius and leander only 2/3 ship, lol

[storm heron]

well sorry Celerio, I think for the skyraider I am now not confident in my answers anymore since I calculate the effect size based on how previous rocket planes do, but now there's also bombs in there idk anymore

[viscid swift]

to lay down the main paths rather than outright recc one path

[barren tapir]

i did 5d chess and doing protocore for all the catchups below pr5 but fast ancho is very valid she's so good

[nimble knoll]

Sadly I can't auto and I need to manual it but, if it works then I'll do it

[barren tapir]

bomb bigger aoe, rocket smaller aoe

[barren tapir]

if ur comfortable to manual then its best and cheapest method for you to grind commander exp (and coin, for that matter, and ship exp) so id keep on it unless you hate doing so

[storm heron]

is it worth considering that the thing about pr7 focus is you would probably say the same argument for pr8 focus?

[barren tapir]

would depend a lot on how good pr8 gear is

i mean if pr8 was pr6-tier i dont think anyone'd suggest rushing it...

[viscid swift]

the thing with that is PR8 really depends on how it turns out

[white agate]

depends, if pr8 got nothing good nor the ur gear nor the dr ships and pr ships then it's skippable i think?

[soft raft]

we dont even know what PR8 will be like yet

[viscid swift]

and that's almost impossible to predict

[barren tapir]

which yeah so we couldnt say now

[sharp socket]

personally my recc is
PR4: fastest short term progress, slowest long term
PR5: not fast in short term, not slow in long term
PR7: slowest in short term, fastest in long term
PR1, 2, 3, 6: not recommended, do if you really want your waifu and nothing else

[barren tapir]

is pr4 even slowest long-term? i would think pr6

[rigid onyx]

is pr5 reccomended just because of ply

[sharp socket]

pr6 goes into not recommended

[dire flare]

Is there a list of objectively bad gear I can dismantle with no remorse

[viscid swift]

Plymouth and Plymouth gun is pretty much the only reason yes

[barren tapir]

pr6 meh gear and only catchup to help speed it up...pr4 has gear to jumpstart your general capabilities at least

[storm heron]

Let pr7 is in the guide
so if pr8 better we change the guide from pr7 to pr8
what if pr8 worse? do we keep it at p7 or do we use the long term argument?
or will it depend on the tradeoffs?

[viscid swift]

Brest is a bit more replacable

[sharp socket]

ply, brest, harbin and plygun yes

[barren tapir]

oh somehow i misread pr5 as pr6

[viscid swift]

it depends on how PR8 is better than 7 exactly

[white agate]

if pr8 bad it becomes pr1,2,3,6,8

[barren tapir]

id consider harbin a pretty great ship from pr5 but she's hard to unlock due to DE requirement. not something a newbie can easily do (i still cant, because i havent bothered to get guild shop DE or lvl120 them, which is basically required outside LNY event)

so for standard newbie playthrough you kinda have to ignore harbin for pr5, bc odds are she'd be too costly to unlock

[white agate]

yeah, harbin without 🌕 ny event is pretty difficult to unlock

[barren tapir]

i should focus harbin soon tho cos coining gonna 120 fu shun asap and idk...some others mayhap

[viscid swift]

let me run some numbers again

[barren tapir]

i like her too she was just too hard/annoying so i skipped for now

[sharp socket]

starting on pr4 remains the slowest long term because youll be behind on ply and plygun, and with nakhi and all that in pr7

[barren tapir]

slowest research wise, i think pr5 is slowest gearwise cos you gotta make protocore and gearlab sacrifices to get pr4 gears in the quantity youd want

maybe i just suck at it tho

[storm heron]

I think the main conclusion is whether the slowness matter in this case
hardcore players will definitely not care about the early game difficulty and just go for the long term one for the best
casual players will definitely just go for pr4 for smoother experience

[barren tapir]

pr7 would have a similar issue but ur compensated with extra la9 which i feel is worth

[white agate]

i am in pr7 and skipped plygun due to 27/50, i plan getting every time i find a bad ppr7 research to go for a pr5 gear focused

[barren tapir]

casual player would ignore all this meta crap and follow waifu...

even not so casual may

[sharp socket]

theres different layers of casual player, some are just waifu brain gamers and some want to improve their playing experience

[barren tapir]

some want to waifu but be optimized about it

[viscid swift]

okay so with Ying Swei and Chao Ho in the guild shop now the 6 DE ships in the Guild Shop at MLB alone gives you 216 tech points, more than enough for Harbin

[white agate]

anyhow if you notice every dr season has a themed focus
like dr3 has pirates, dr4 has warlord of the seas dr 5 has angels, dr 6 is angel and demons and dr7 idk yet

[barren tapir]

oh yeah guild shop update helps a lot

[cunning bison]

wym

[barren tapir]

dr7 is cat and pasta

[viscid swift]

Cat and a Mermaid

[mellow cape]

Remind me if the ply gun in the shop resets

[soft raft]

that immideately flops when you look at DR2 and DR7
Esp DR7 with a mermaid and a cat

[barren tapir]

also what's dr2? mammas?

[soft raft]

the UR Gear in protocore shop does not restock

[white agate]

cat likes fish?

[barren tapir]

also dr3 even count? it's 1 ship lmfao

[sharp socket]

i think thats just a design thing

[viscid swift]

also elephant in the room of PR1 not having any

[barren tapir]

yeah i think some DR seasons have interesting parallels but...its probably not intentional lol

[white agate]

neptune is secret pr1 dr

[soft raft]

This sounds like conspiricay theory level of stretching

[boreal wagon]

pr1s theme is just void

[barren tapir]

she's certainly DR in my heart

[viscid swift]

oh trust me, there are a lot of parallels you think they're doing until they just proceed to crush that all into a million pieces with the next season

[barren tapir]

pr1 theme is cope ships that get DR-worthy augments that makes them PR

[rigid onyx]

the only real pattern is that it's a wow collab prob

[barren tapir]

anyway the only 'themes' i can get behind is dr5 angelic and dr6 angel and devil, the rest require too much stretching or are literally 1 ship

[mellow cape]

Ibuki is sooooo good with her Aug, I guess that's true in a way lol.

[soft raft]

"Oh we wont get a American in PR7 because we had Kearsarge in PR6"

Halford comes out

[barren tapir]

does halford even count tho

[soft raft]

and PR7 broke the Iron Blood's long streak of being the most consistent faction to appear

[barren tapir]

i shit on her cos i love her and i want her to get a blisteringly good fs5 cope

[rigid onyx]

it's probably somewhat motivated by what wow devs want

[barren tapir]

well kms showing up a lot in pr i just chalk to paper ships being a big thing in a faction with not many real ships besides subs

[nimble knoll]

How can I get more purple Aircraft gear pieces? Cuz I'm so close to Retrofitting Uni

[barren tapir]

good way to help bulk up a major faction yada yada

[soft raft]

grind grind grind like usual

[barren tapir]

prayge on hard mode stages, did you already 3 star 1-4 and 2-4?

[white agate]

hard mode and using blue ones to craft purple ones

[viscid swift]

okay here's all the main patterns they crushed with PR7 that can be traced back to 4

4 Azur Lane and One Crimson axis or 4 Crimson Axis and one Azur Lane ship, pattern rotating every other season

1 T10 DR, 1 T9 DR, 1 T9 PR, and 2 T8 PRs

no real ships(Halford)

[nimble knoll]

Not the retrofit items, I'm taking about the gear pieces

[white agate]

yep, you can use purple blueprints prints to get gold ones

[barren tapir]

looks like u need gold retro bp anyway running stages that drop purple plates, also weekly oil pack has 20 you can convert to any you need

[viscid swift]

no you cannot

[barren tapir]

unfortunately

[undone plover]

blue > purple is doable
but not purple > gold

[white agate]

so same as t boxes i see

[nimble knoll]

Yeah I need 5 more gold retro blueprints, but I need a lot more purple gear pieces to unlock to modernization

[barren tapir]

check ur plate from weekly oil pack and convert as needed

else just keep farming place that drops purple ch6+ etc

[white agate]

@nimble knoll then you can check guild shop sometimes there are gold blueprints

[nimble knoll]

The universal t3 part?

[rose cosmos]

Is that fu bo book good?

[barren tapir]

yes you can turn it into whatever type you need

[viscid swift]

not really

[barren tapir]

might be decent on fu shun when you dont need as much bulk but still want some ? its only a bit worse than toolkit

[viscid swift]

honestley

[barren tapir]

i probably use it to save a toolkit for someone else

[nimble knoll]

I got enough purple aircraft gear pieces, all I need is more gold retro blueprints, and if the event hits 50% I can get the two it gives so

[barren tapir]

all in due time also got any hm you can 3*?

tbh soon enough u stop noticing retro bps unless you retro a lot of ship for collection

[viscid swift]

It's just a bad middle ground with very little in between content where it is relevant if any

[white agate]

hm stays for hard mode

[rose cosmos]

Toolkits are everywhere though

[nimble knoll]

I still need to 3* clear world five to unlock Hardmode 5 so

[covert phoenix]

Does anyone have the list of items in Noshiro's dorm for the collection?

There are 6 items I can't seem to find

[barren tapir]

i mean it's still 500 hp aux and only worse than toolkit at 45s+ battle while giving small trp bonus, i think it's not bad

the bonus admittedly is rather minimal tho

[nimble knoll]

Does uni need a retrofit item or just a Bullin? To unlock modernization?

[white agate]

bulin or uni copy

[barren tapir]

just bulin

[viscid swift]

it's a case of where I'd usually just take a full offensive aux on her and if that caused her to die you'd probably just use a toolbox anyway

[barren tapir]

might wanna do that

well suchi did suggest i buy an oxytorp

[viscid swift]

not to mention there's a good chance she'll need to run ASW gear for her most common use cases

[soft raft]

the only ships that need items for their retrofit are the DDG Retrofits and SR -> UR retrofits

[viscid swift]

I would actually agree

you're at that stage to start considering more niche min-maxing stuff

[nimble knoll]

I see

[viscid swift]

and I have warmed to them in recent times

[soft raft]

Hmmm Oxytorp

[white agate]

1500 core

[nimble knoll]

Talking to me or someone else?

[barren tapir]

theyre still pretty expensive imo but once you have the basics from core data i dont see a harm in getting one for its use cases ig

[white agate]

someone else

[nimble knoll]

Aighto

[barren tapir]

tho personally id get breguets first but that's for a campaign focus

[white agate]

i mean, i think i got 5 black/white shells, 1 breguette and 3 sub aux
prolly gonna get a 2nd breg

[barren tapir]

a lot of options seem to open up by month 4 or 5, particularly w core data bonus events

i got my 3+2 shells, indep, one of each timing aux, bought cog/array every month, and this with a dumb lusty muse purchase early

[viscid swift]

there's also 700 core data or so from this raid event

[barren tapir]

and can still get breguet and smth else this month i think

[white agate]

and a free missle for dgs

[eager mulch]

[barren tapir]

im glad i held off on core missile, really felt it's not worth it with the better one existing

i did already get a s4g so my fu shun is ready

[bold stream]

Hello all. Should I do hard normal and easy modes of the event?

[undone plover]

if u are planning on doing ch14 I would get sub gear first tbh
And maybe u need a seal for fu shun

[barren tapir]

just hard and EX if u can do EX

[bold stream]

Can not clear ex but can get points

[barren tapir]

so my subs are gatekept by lack of gold bulins, i actually have a couple gold wolfpacks from event pulls iirc lol

[undone plover]

u are doing pvp right?

[barren tapir]

but subs prolly only ready in a couple months regardless

[bold stream]

Are subs needed for the ex?

[white agate]

they kinda help quite a bit

[barren tapir]

subs help in general for difficult stuffs or to finish stuff quicker

[bold stream]

Omg... My subs are all not ready

[undone plover]

well u need 3 sub gear and u can only buy 1 per month
so might want to start working on it

[mellow cape]

the ex for thiis event is reallllly easy compared to the yk2 sp ex lol

[night marsh]

so im missing z52, anyone know how long aproximately her reruns?

[barren tapir]

i mean i have basically no usable subs rn lol, the most i did was purple tempestas and 0lb amity for this month's CM

[rigid onyx]

~2 years

[night marsh]

NOWAY

[barren tapir]

and i did fine

[white agate]

2y

surely you will find another ur to fll her place in the meantime

[undone plover]

u37 merit, u96 medal and some other wolf should be doable
but if u are not pushing later chapters u can slack that is fine

[barren tapir]

i just need a sub medal shop and we got full wolf iirc but yeah the bulins...

[night marsh]

i want to collect ironblood

[undone plover]

do u need the bulins for anything?

[barren tapir]

and yes i got u47 + dupe from event pulls LOL

[barren tapir]

well id like to mlb enty but otherwise nothing urgent iirc, it's moreso ive been wiped by aquila then sandy

[rigid onyx]

i'd u37 & u96, run 37,81,96

[night marsh]

ok ty, rip my hopes n dreams

[barren tapir]

well getting 37 also means 1 less bulin (+1 less bc 47 already 1lb)

[bold stream]

Whic of these subs are good?

[barren tapir]

37 means basically delaying my sub fleet by 2 gold bulins, idk if worth

[white agate]

u47,u81

[bold stream]

Tempesta subs are bad?

[undone plover]

well also saving 15 aug cores

[bold stream]

Ijn subs are no good?

[barren tapir]

id like to save bulins on the off chance some gold wife happens, too

speaking of gold wives...theseus but i might get a more meta ship idk

[undone plover]

I think subs are a pain to raise ngl
So go for the best one
or just stick to 47 and ignore 37

[nimble knoll]

Is there any sub I should use there just for the extra Dmg? They're not that built and I'm not focusing on them, it's just for the extra Dmg for the event hm

[barren tapir]

i might go hard mode and do ch14 without subs

[white agate]

well, tempesta subs are frigate and their only benefit is making the ss trining a walk in the park else they are worse than ss

[barren tapir]

how hard can it be truly

[undone plover]

way too early for u to worry about subs

[vale spindle]

Any one thats already leveled

[stark quiver]

i never used subs for w14

[undone plover]

extra dmg from subs on this event means extra oil wasted
so dont use them imo

[barren tapir]

plus im not allergic to manual i just want more dock space

[viscid swift]

honestley you shouldn't need them with what you have

[nimble knoll]

Oooh, Alright then

[mellow cape]

ngl you wont be using subs for a longg time xeno lol

[barren tapir]

yeah ill kick the sub can down the road, and pick up u37 then for now just stock up on sub gear slowly is prolly fineee

[mellow cape]

subs arent worth your resources just yet

[barren tapir]

sub only need need ch15?

[nimble knoll]

Also is it bad that I can clear the event hardmode with 1 minute or 50 seconds to spare?

[mellow cape]

so 8 mins x 15 runs?

[barren tapir]

i mean clearing better than no clearing and it has the only oilcap you got access to, so it's fine

[stark quiver]

dont need subs for ch15 either

[barren tapir]

think they mean 2min per run on manual ( )

[nimble knoll]

Is there a difference for getting S-rank, A-rank, Or B-Rank?

[barren tapir]

might need subs if i bring good waifu ships cos theyre not the best of the best

[bold stream]

How to you deal with dock space aurora? I am kinda 230/270 atm. Its getting crowded.

[barren tapir]

but also im way not ready for ch15 if ch13-1 hm is even remotely close because it actually gave me some issues on auto

[stark quiver]

well if youre gonna run suboptimal stuff then just bring subs

[hollow gust]

i forgot to use subs for w15 3 star lethal

[mellow cape]

you buy dock space with gems from ch maps lol. after Prio dorm space

[barren tapir]

also i can confirm 13 hm is more than just more levels, they also send more planes, 3* cv joke in 13-4 but 3* cv in 13-1 hm was actually rough on auto

[stark quiver]

i doubt it even matters to you goose

[rigid onyx]

he's new ofc it matters.

[barren tapir]

every gem i got went into it, im at 240/336 ish?

[nimble knoll]

[barren tapir]

well i did get dorm 3 + 2nd floor too ofc unplayable game without that

other gem sources...i had 200 from amagi bugfix, 200 from TLR discord competition, and currently 411 from gem comms

i should write the mail gems somewhere to ensure i keep track

[white agate]

also can scrap all commons. eventually you get them again that can help

[stark quiver]

just archive them

[viscid swift]

S rank is 20% more XP and in Campaign/events guarantees a ship drop on the boss mode

[barren tapir]

that's cruel, my hope is to never scrap a single unique ship ever

[bold stream]

You got a whole lot dock than me...

[nimble knoll]

Oooh, I see

[stark quiver]

i scrap all my commons
and blues

[viscid swift]

not a fleet tech farmer

[barren tapir]

i can reach almost 400 dock atm with my gems and guild so hopefully i continue to keep up!

336 -> 350 with guild

350 -> 380 with current gems

380 -> 390 with rest of LNY gems

390 -> 410 with ch10 finish 3* and ch14 3*

then i cope it's enough to tide me over until anniversary with gem comms etc

[stark quiver]

well
i keep the good shitters

such as my collection of 40 cv rld thats yet to be leveled

[turbid marsh]

or maybe he got all those techs already. I know people scrap as soon as some ship turn 120 XD

[bold stream]

Should I really do this? I still lack some royal and ijn tech to research plymouth and hakuu

[viscid swift]

I would never

[white agate]

i need first all the +2 tech

[barren tapir]

think 400 dock before half a year is a good pace to stay ahead of ship acquisition...im also specifically avoiding farming map-only ship drops until i have enough dock for them

they are always available so they can come later when i have more room, same for any research ships i dont particularly lovey love love or aren't super meta meta

[bold stream]

I am thinking of retiring lv70 mlb ships maybe...

[white agate]

also yeah, i never scrap above common unique and when i'll have enough ds i am gonna get back commons

[barren tapir]

tbh the only map drop i really want atm is dewey so im good on just waiting for the rest in a year or two

[undone plover]

if u have dock space issue
you have to either:
1- get more dockspace using f2p/non f2p gems
2- retire ships (start with stuff u can easily reacquire)

[stark quiver]

i scrap easily obtainable ships
i still do not know what to do with my 20 hornet2s tho

[turbid marsh]

or scrap the ones who are already 120ed XD that are common/blues

[viscid swift]

but the flex

[barren tapir]

scrap lul

[mellow cape]

so i took a breakk right? And i think i sold a couple fleet tech 120 blue ships but i dont remember who anymore, is there a way to check easily besides scrolling through collection each time i want to check

[barren tapir]

am i the only who never want to scrap unique ships...copies is fine but...

[stark quiver]

maybe ill find a use for my 120 oklahoma

[viscid swift]

nope

[mellow cape]

[barren tapir]

it feels too cruel to ever say to the ship, 'i don't want you'

[nimble knoll]

Smh, I'm having the low oil issue all over again.. Should I use mail oil?

[viscid swift]

I am the exact same way

[stark quiver]

ive said that to mutsuki

[barren tapir]

would be like kicking them out of the home

[nimble knoll]

Nope, mi too

[barren tapir]

even for ships im not a huge fan of i could never

[turbid marsh]

what flex though? im sure can't flex things here in this channel, always someone who are bigger flex XD

[stark quiver]

just be the biggest 🧠

[barren tapir]

#trophy-room you can always flex on smaller fish

[viscid swift]

just the sheer number of 120s you have and such

[stark quiver]

cuz i bet you dont have 3 unis

[viscid swift]

I'm not poor enough to need 3 Unis

[keen sable]

like you're trying to rush for hard raid?

[undone plover]

u can use to farm more or save it for a rainy day
both options are fine

[turbid marsh]

i tried to flex but the stone just hit straight down in the drain without splashing any water XD maybe not enough

[stark quiver]

anyways, i do envy cheekys progress in the game,
hopeuflly one day i can have good tech and collection

[nimble knoll]

I mean 4 hours before new day so

[barren tapir]

flex is just ppl see it, reactions is nice but i dont put stock into it, i post my achievement there and now everyone is forced to look at it when they look in there to post their own

[mellow cape]

Only flex I have is having 6 musashi

Everyone else is a bigger fish

[nimble knoll]

Also when I get this, who should I pick?

[viscid swift]

not Tai Yuan

[undone plover]

honestly hold on to it for now and use it later

[barren tapir]

any but tai yuan or ship you already own

[keen sable]

not Tai Yuan

[barren tapir]

chen hai hwa jah are good tech, taihou and theseus ok tech, yat sen actually good ship if you like CN ship

[nimble knoll]

Why not her?

[barren tapir]

bc shes free from guild shoppe

[viscid swift]

because you can get her in the Guild shop

[nimble knoll]

Owh

[white agate]

i collect them

[nimble knoll]

I'll probably do what Faerlein says and just hold onto it for now

[barren tapir]

im glad i havent used the xmas one yet cos formi became a medal shop ship lol

well iirc. or was she somewhere else idk

[keen sable]

that's covered by not Tai Yuan

[viscid swift]

she was special pool only before the last update

[barren tapir]

cheeky dyou still have the patch note summary i forgor what all ships went where

[viscid swift]

U-110 is also in the Guild shop, forgot that

[nimble knoll]

Aughhh.. I need uni to get 3 more levels so she hits level 100 and I can get Xp packs.. And I need to hit commander level 50 as well..

[stark quiver]

how much rld diff does 40 instead of 41 rld make in time

[barren tapir]

yep looks like i medal formi and use ticket on

[keen sable]

inb4 you lose uni to chip coms and still have no xp packs

[barren tapir]

just plug it into larscalc

[bold stream]

Hello all. I got question on what to get on my research.

I got roon, fsg, avp, ancho and aegir. With the coining of pr4 available i am thinking of going for hakuuryu next but i have only 400 ijn tech. So in the mean should I just build prinz or hindenburg? Or just go pr1-3?

[white agate]

depends on cd i think?

[undone plover]

negligible
it depends on the default rld stat and buffs but 1 rld is not much
maybe 0.04 seconds? i forgot but it it sth like that

[barren tapir]

haku good and always be building a ship when you can. youd want 1 ship from each pr for missions so you can do that too

[viscid swift]

could also go for some of the IJN PRs to help with tech

[stark quiver]

also with free oil, is 1 month a reasonable amount of time to level 15 ships from 100 to 120

[barren tapir]

izumobad is good ship and good tech

kita is idk prolly meh now but good tech also

[viscid swift]

maybe? honestley never kept track

[barren tapir]

well do some napkin math with estimated oil income and then estimated exp/oil you plan to use and also how much exp from 100 to 120 and boom

yes, i cba to math it for you, do it yourself also idk how good ur comm generation is, i can rough estimate mine pretty well but

[white agate]

idk i do 8 a month i think not using mail

but i may be wasting exp

[barren tapir]

i do think 15 might be tough ignoring opsi. 12 sounds more likely? 2 fleets

[stark quiver]

I’ve got these to grind out

[barren tapir]

actually i can rig some general calc up, im just c1ing anyway atm

[white agate]

you never grinded long island