gameplay-help

[summer spade]

It took me 4 hours there soo...

[whole crypt]

well if you're starting from scratch you'll be up around 2k or so clear bonuses

[carmine heath]

shouldn't it be ~1-2 hours?

[whole crypt]

depends on your fight time

i.e. depends on what you use

[carmine heath]

Fair enough

Work those ships to the bone... no room for affinity or love in this economy

[stark quiver]

just ops mob

[nimble knoll]

How many hours do you need to get 8k from b-3?

[carmine heath]

not to be a debbie downer but I dont think thats happening

[nimble knoll]

Zamn..

[carmine heath]

b3 gives like 80 right?

[viscid swift]

well you'll need to do 100 runs of B3 to get 8k event points

[nimble knoll]

Yup

[carmine heath]

Im assuming you dont have the oil for it regardless

[nimble knoll]

I can clear b-3 in about 7 minutes

[summer spade]

How many hours is it before the 8 hour update?

[keen sable]

7

[viscid swift]

7 hours

[nimble knoll]

The oil cost is about 147 per clear and I have about 8k in mah oil (if I use mail oil) and b-3 is more cost effective than c-2 (which is my best rn cause c-2 takes 335 oil per clear)

[summer spade]

From 300 to 8k real quick

[nimble knoll]

Yup

[keen sable]

just get hornii and problem solved

[summer spade]

Yeah @nimble knoll You still have like 7 hours just like they said

[nimble knoll]

B-3 'Could' drop hornet II right? Or is that false?

[carmine heath]

Did you not have enough to get horny from daily clears?

[carmine heath]

Its an incredibly low rate dont count on it

[whole crypt]

it can, whether it will is 🎲

[nimble knoll]

I could've bought her.. But I was being a Dumbass.. But I bought the Rainbow plane and The Hvars..

[carmine heath]

I mean

apparently horny 2 is "mid" so thats probably better for you in the future

[whole crypt]

which is correct

[soft raft]

you're not really gonna miss much by not getting Hornet 2

[carmine heath]

I rolled horny 2 on my first roll for yk2

[soft raft]

wouldnt really say Mid
more like "Good but easily outclassed"

[stark quiver]

by the time you need her, she'll prob be perma

[whole crypt]

both planes are more important than Hornet

[nimble knoll]

Then should I just Focus on Yorkie or just save my UR Bullins?

[soft raft]

how many UR Bullins do you have?

[summer spade]

Save till next month

[nimble knoll]

2 and I got a copy of Yorkie so she's lb 1

[carmine heath]

Im being clowned on for mlbing fritz with all the ur bulins

[stark quiver]

and how much stars is yk2

[soft raft]

yeah hold off for now
esp with next month being extrmeley likely to be another UR event

[whole crypt]

save, we expecting new UR end Feb

[stark quiver]

fritz isnt bad tho

[nimble knoll]

Atleast tomorrow I'll be able to complete the hard Newcomer quests and I can move on to the Exam.. And then I'll be able to get Enty

[keen sable]

i completely disagree with making a vow of poverty. you have a UR. congratulations. she's very good. benefit from it. and the reason you don't have 4 ur bulin is not paying attention. first 4 are very easy to get

[nimble knoll]

Me?

[whole crypt]

I just remembered raids are annoying because you don't get enhancement fodder for new ships

[keen sable]

i have like 4 subs lined up

[carmine heath]

Apparently im not in a position to use her effectively

[whole crypt]

affinity?

well I only have the 2 newer frigates

[stark quiver]

if you have her a max limit break then you are

[summer spade]

How easy it is really to get UR bulin?

[whole crypt]

it's not hard, it's just timegated

[carmine heath]

One a month

consistently* + a few from events and etc etc

[whole crypt]

the rolling average is 2 a month now at least

[stark quiver]

1.5 without events and cruise

[carmine heath]

I forgot about cruise >_<

[keen sable]

1. free bulin
2. cruise
3. ladder
4. spec core from free bulin

[nimble knoll]

Well if I complete the Bullin support plan I'll have 3 Bullins

[whole crypt]

5k corecap 1k medal shop 0.5 bulin cruise

[keen sable]

so you just need to figure out how to get the cruise bulin

[stark quiver]

for raids

how hard is the ex thing with all the mods

[carmine heath]

actually how many cores have I gotten this month

[nimble knoll]

Ladder is The Pvp Right?

[keen sable]

event milestone

[whole crypt]

UR event milestone

[stark quiver]

pvp has no UR bulins

[nimble knoll]

Oh I got that already

[whole crypt]

all UR events will have one

[carmine heath]

My first two events were fritz and yk2 so a non ur event was shocking

thought it was just the norm

[keen sable]

ahh 3. amity dolphin herring

[nimble knoll]

I got the Ladder one, The PT Cores One, and I'm close to getting the Bullin support plan one.. So what am I missing-

[whole crypt]

I only have amity and dolphin waiting

[keen sable]

cruise

[nimble knoll]

How can I get that one?

[summer spade]

Besides lecture hall on the tab
Grind there are missions you need to do to get points

[whole crypt]

just make sure you hit cruise lv100 before end of month there's enough time

[nimble knoll]

Oh that.. I'm 84 already so 16 more

[sharp socket]

its basically battlepass if you know what that is

[stark quiver]

you only need up to week 5-6 with sp

[nimble knoll]

Should I save the cubes I'm getting now? Cause I literally only have 1 cube to my name-

[elfin hollow]

Do you guys work on cats?

[keen sable]

play the game basically.

[summer spade]

Just save up maybe youll get lucky on next event too

[elfin hollow]

Are you supposed to reroll until you get pefect talents or open new cats? Also what happens when you feed a lvl 30 cat? Does it transfer to a new cat?

[whole crypt]

it's 5-6 weeks if you count from week 1 but if you start later you can start doing later week missions right away

[nimble knoll]

I might've used all my luck on Yorkie But

[whole crypt]

open new ones until you get one with good base talents then reroll

[stark quiver]

just do /cats in #bot-spam
and no, it just levels up the cat youre feeding

[elfin hollow]

When you reroll, don't you lose all the talents?

[whole crypt]

you don't lose what the cat starts with

[stark quiver]

you lose all the talents you rolled by rng
not the base

[elfin hollow]

When you say base you mean the 3 talents it spawns with?

[nimble knoll]

Should I focus on the Campaign again? Because I've been focusing on the event (I'm only at 5-3)

[whole crypt]

2 or 3, depends 🎲

[elfin hollow]

Are you supposed to stack each cat to only benefit one hull class? Or is it ok to have cats that benefit two?

[keen sable]

event points should be good up to like 80k

[stark quiver]

youll have cats like
cv cats, or bb cats
which is a cat with talents speced towards one hull

[whole crypt]

generally you stack for one hull, but that's for maxing OS fleet

[stark quiver]

if not = bricked

and honestly, 99% of in game content is doable just fine w/o cats

[keen sable]

even if you can't buy hornii parts, boxes, coins, food, everything is good stuff

[whole crypt]

campaign is kind of ehh whatever as long as you get flame and/or mountain

[elfin hollow]

Is something like this considered done? It has a cruiser talent

[whole crypt]

but you're fine without it anyway

[keen sable]

not worth any investment

[nimble knoll]

Should I save up and buy the SR Cat box?

[stark quiver]

how many things in game actually require perfect cats

[whole crypt]

it's not optimal but you can use it until you get a better cat

[elfin hollow]

So far I've not really cared about cats other than leveling them

[stark quiver]

unless you gigasweat, then you can ignore them
just have 2 gold lvl 20+ cats for ops mob

[forest palm]

30*

[keen sable]

probably lower priority. augment cores.

[glossy granite]

We getting Chien Wu rerun?

[elfin hollow]

Ok sounds good

[keen sable]

eventually?

[stark quiver]

pretty sure it was 20+ but sure

[nimble knoll]

Chat, Should I 1:1 5-3? (I need to just save oil atm)

[eager mulch]

sounds bad

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message
heres where i got it

[keen sable]

you should not use more ships than you need when cost limit doesn't exist...

[glossy granite]

Im so confused, which chinese ships we getting in few days?

[keen sable]

new ones. not a rerun

[glossy granite]

oh

[whole crypt]

today, and Chien Wu is new

[nimble knoll]

Then Ig I'll just full fleet it

[glossy granite]

Hm, when to expect any sort of news for a UR event rerun or a new one? 3 weeks? 1 month?

[whole crypt]

end Feb new UR is past years' schedule

[summer spade]

Avrora still good?

[nimble knoll]

Uni and Laffey For The Regular Ships, Fleet 2 is for da Boss (or should I just use one fleet?)

[keen sable]

was she ever?

[elfin hollow]

Is there a point where it's better to give up on getting a UR? It took me 170 tries to get york2.

[stark quiver]

no
cuz Urs are good

[glossy granite]

I dont think she was ever good lol, but i have a thing for northern parliament ngl

[summer spade]

I mean the 35% damage buff sounds good

[stark quiver]

thats all she has to her

[glossy granite]

You never give up for URs

[summer spade]

Soooo say byebye for her?

[stark quiver]

and backline buffers take prio
just hold onto her

[nimble knoll]

And they won't Let you down

[storm heron]

ex is so hard

[keen sable]

buffing the three wrong ships isn't the greatest thing including one of which is herself

[viscid swift]

Avrora is +1 CL FP

[summer spade]

Basically nothing

[elfin hollow]

alright well glad the time spent panic farming coins wasn't wasted then

[viscid swift]

that is all I really have to say about her, and Jimmy likes to shill her for whatever reason

[sacred iris]

so i have been doing the tb life thingy
but i cant find this activity.......

[elfin hollow]

i guess with al it's better to just go straight for the ur instead of wait to see what happens

[stark quiver]

is bristol good

[viscid swift]

meh, she's +1 DD FP on obtain

[glossy granite]

Tho i would like to have avrora, she cute af but sadly not really good

[viscid swift]

you'll level her for tech in due time

[keen sable]

generally speaking you get every ship plus some but it can get hard starting late because you can't relax on reruns

[summer spade]

Speaking of leveling. Do i focus on levelling all my ships? Still on w10 btw

[viscid swift]

no, just the 2 fleets you'll be using to push to W12

[glossy granite]

Was it april last year we last time had a northern parliament event?

[summer spade]

You mean its easier to grind on w12?

[viscid swift]

among other things yes

[summer spade]

What do you mean?

[viscid swift]

W12 is the best spot to farm overall

easier than W11, better for coins, and drops cog chips

[summer spade]

Do i have to focus on a specific lineup or can i just send it?

[keen sable]

you want your first twelve ships to be at least decent and hopefully great

[viscid swift]

you can use just about anything to farm W12 so long as it's not horribly underleveled and properly geared

[summer spade]

Heres mine

[nimble knoll]

When should I start worrying about my 2nd fleet?

[keen sable]

you need to rotate ships out unless you're pushing content and if you are those ships aren't good.

[sharp socket]

non fs5 shimanto can go w15 right

[summer spade]

Any reccomendations?

[glossy granite]

what does the ''light'' mean in ''light rerun''

[rose cosmos]

New year banner is usually a skip right?

[glossy granite]

or its just a way to phrase a rerun event

[keen sable]

short with no new ships basically at this point

reruns used to have one or two new ships in them

[bright tusk]

between tigercat +13 and flapjack +10, which has higher AA dps?

[glossy granite]

I wish the event section in the wiki page was a bit better

[keen sable]

if they rerun atelier or tns for example there almost certainly won't be a light rerun and will be new ships.

[viscid swift]

they also used to among other things last 2 weeks, and had no build tickets

[stark quiver]

+13 tigercat

[glossy granite]

There is no icon or anything so i have to press everything to see which one is a UR event lol

[keen sable]

#wiki-feedback

[stark quiver]

is timing 3 cv hard for aries cm

[storm heron]

how do I see bombspread?

[turbid gyro]

What do i get if I have 92 Medal of Honors

[keen sable]

tap bomb

[ivory pawn]

What are your hull type options? BB? CV? DD? CL? Etc?

[nimble knoll]

Is z23 good?

[stark quiver]

good for early game

[keen sable]

do you even have a choice?

[nimble knoll]

Owh she's a starter too (I just got her from a battle)

[nimble knoll]

A choice for what?

[keen sable]

nothing, laffey is your starter? then probably not yet

[nimble knoll]

Yeh, I picked Laffey as my starter, I just got Z23 from a boss battle so

[cunning bison]

what do i do when my training missions seem to be bugged? (completed 3 dailies, not rewarded data packs, also have cleared 8-4,9-4,10-4 but no rewards. FYI i finished the first set of those missions ystdy to get those 30 series I bps

[keen sable]

you need to open before counting

[cunning bison]

open?

[keen sable]

view the missions before doing them

[cunning bison]

i dont get what u mean

[keen sable]

you need to tap newcomer, research, (series 1), view the new missions, then go complete 3 dailies.
not complete 3 dailies then tap newcomer.

[viscid swift]

the series 1 missions are done twice

it's a bug that became a feature because who hates more prototype cores

[sharp socket]

do i aim to take out the special aviation fleets first for w15

[languid reef]

any practical benefit to keeping hyuuga? practically 0% chance ima ever use her

[viscid swift]

the super CV fleets yes

[viscid swift]

she's BB reload tech

[cunning bison]

i dont see the series 1 quests though

[keen sable]

one shot challenge

[cunning bison]

i see series 2 ones

[keen sable]

whatever series you are on. that's why it's in parenthesis. i can't guess what you're on

[viscid swift]

try logging out and back in again

[cunning bison]

alright, thanks

[languid reef]

anyone of these I can let go freely with 0 remorse save for sentimental reasons?

[viscid swift]

I would just buy more dock space

[languid reef]

cant

[viscid swift]

cant get more gems even as a F2P?

like from the momentos

[languid reef]

sure ig but i dont even got my 6th dorm slots or my 4th tactical training slot

[viscid swift]

uhhhh

you do realize both are of little value right especially for the price and from the perspective of a F2P

[tame jungle]

dorm should be 3 slots and get 2nd floor (6 slots total)
expanding tactical training can be skipped entirely

[south sequoia]

6th slot and extra training slots are pretty much only for whales and late game players who have nothing else to spend on

[atomic abyss]

Even a 3rd trng slot is pretty useless

Let alone a 4th

[cunning bison]

didnt work

[south sequoia]

early game - mid game players don't have that much breathing room to take advantage of a 6th slot and extra training without feeling the pain of the costs

[languid reef]

maybe..?
also with my currect collection, getting those momento gems would require a bunch more ship girls that would exacerbate the dock space issue

[atomic abyss]

And 6th dorm slot is like 1200 gems

Which is as good as 60 dock space

[south sequoia]

not to mention the extra skill books a 4th even 3rd slot consumes

[viscid swift]

all the more reason to not get the 6th dorm slot and 4th tactical slot

[keen sable]

you had dailies left?

[forest palm]

you'll only ever use 2 academy slots after a point, and the 6th slot is really nice, but pricy QoL if you're a farmer simple enough

[cunning bison]

yeah the sub ones

[sharp socket]

sushi went from 70% to 5% hp on super CV fleet, is this just bad rng

[atomic abyss]

No, because her sharing should stop below a certain point

[viscid swift]

no that's a sign the fleet needs work

[atomic abyss]

I can't remember if it's 50% or 40%

I always confuse hers and Seydlitz

[viscid swift]

it's 40%

[soft raft]

Seydlitz has such a skill?

[atomic abyss]

Seydlitz one is exclusive to German ships

[storm heron]

seyd is just german flagship cover

[sharp socket]

ok i restarted the fight and it didnt happen again so uh

[atomic abyss]

It can be pretty funni on pvp

[soft raft]

All i remember about her is being very underwhelmed when I found out her barrage only procs once per fight

[sharp socket]

maybe i shouldnt go for 3rd star 15-1 lethal even though no one died on my first try

[storm heron]

I noticed that EX basically does not allow your helena to survive past 2 strikes

[soft raft]

More like a 🕹️ issue on your part tbh

[storm heron]

there's a barrage that covers the whole screen, is that barrage fake or something?

[rigid onyx]

I was really confused for the EX because I didn't get the gimmick for the first phase so I thought the intended route was to hide in corners to take less damage before looking up a guide

Is it just me or were the mechanics more involved than usual

[keen sable]

it was a new gen of ex that wasn't based on skill

[viscid swift]

it's a bit more involved than usual

[storm heron]

how is it more involved though, as long as you don't get hit the pattern is just the same right?

[viscid swift]

it was around this time the devs started to get shall we say more creative with EXs

[rigid onyx]

red being bad into red being good makes no sense to me

[viscid swift]

Implac's as I recall is basically gonna be impossible to auto

[viscid swift]

more involved in the sense that the pattern changes depending on if you get hit or not and such

old EXs had fixed patterns

[storm heron]

wait, it's actually visually deceiving?

[rigid onyx]

you have to stand in the red lanes at one point yes

[storm heron]

?? there's 2 red lanes but the barrage covers the whole screen, so I thought you have to avoid red. But then I did that and I still get hit, until I see uto's explanation

[humble perch]

Wasn't there some convenient picture for what talents are good on officers with a bot command or something

I have like 100 SR boxes I really need to start using them and stop ignoring them

[storm heron]

well I got a good (?) score but I'd like to try more tbh

[delicate fiber]

do the opsi shops ever reset

[keen sable]

you do avoid white on third phase of lanes though...

[storm heron]

helena got hit -> prowler activates -> avoid red -> manjuu activate (??)

[soft raft]

if you havent unlocked monthly reset, the avaliable selection rotates every few days then a full inventory restock on monthly reset

if you unlocked monthly reset, full inventory restock on monthly reset

[tulip zenith]

Are there any good vanguard smokescreens or shields

[soft raft]

Anchorage and Harbin
iirc Shimanto too

[finite condor]

already got the 50 gems from the girdley class
should i retire them ? kinda hurting on dock space with the game keep giving me new elites and supers

[tulip zenith]

Oh ya I forgot I have ancho

[rigid onyx]

for the lanes, iirc you have to avoid red at first, then it does the memorize 5 where you avoid red lanes again, then you have to stand in red

[sharp socket]

is there maint in 6ish hours

[delicate fiber]

ah thats annoying
gonna take forever to get my wyverns now

[soft raft]

yes

[keen sable]

napoli has smoke

[tulip zenith]

Is chkalov worth getting if I have amagi cv enty uni indep fritz york2

[rigid onyx]

is it an 8 hour maint

[storm heron]

I see

[tulip zenith]

Who should I get after haku then if I have fdg agir august

[atomic abyss]

Anchorage, which shd have been your first

[keen sable]

i think universally shields are kind of meh but barriers can be really good

[atomic abyss]

After which Plymouth

[obsidian ivy]

Does the game reset the shop when they do a shop update

[viscid swift]

no

[atomic abyss]

No

[viscid swift]

they may do it for the PR prints in the medal shop but that's the only exception

[keen sable]

also invulnerability just kind of makes all three look silly

[sweet delta]

the people who already bought DD this month and don't have kaza

[viscid swift]

ironically DD and CL are now more valuable to me than BB and CV in the medal shop

[inland juniper]

Assuming both are +13, are 533 improved mag quads still better on auto than mag quint 533s?

Is that for mob only or even bosses?

[rigid onyx]

unimproved 533 +13s are better than rainbow quints even

[turbid gyro]

I'm new(lvl 28), Should I go for hood in the shop and get Enterprise from missions or wait for when CV comes to shop and get Enterprise?

[inland juniper]

Interesting, ig I just dont know how to read stats. Im assuming its because of the fire rate?

[viscid swift]

you can easily get 80 more medals in the time it'll take for the medal shop to refresh so yes get Hood

[turbid gyro]

So do I use the duplicates to limit break once I get the beginner reward?

[soft raft]

In this case it's because of the reload time and damage per torp

[rigid onyx]

It's because the quints dont hit the extra torp usually. Quints could be better in mob if the higher hit rate makes up for the damage per torp and reload loss, or if you want to desync torp timing

[viscid swift]

you could do that or get one of the other 2 you don't have

[turbid gyro]

Sandy good?

[viscid swift]

yes

[rigid onyx]

I haven't look at the math of improved 533 vs rainbow, but since unimproved is better than rainbow, and improved is a direct upgrade to unimproved, I'm just assuming it's better in every case timing aside

I've seen mog + unzen strats use rainbow torp to time the stab better though

[humble perch]

Is this a decent takemaru?

lvl 1

What talents should I be looking for

[rigid onyx]

I think you dont want to mix hull buffs on a cat

[soft raft]

Basically Improved quad mag > Gold Quad Mag == Rainbow Quint mag

And then quints are basically about as efficent as the quad version the rarity below

[rigid onyx]

use /cats in #bot-spam

[humble perch]

ty

[inland juniper]

Got it, guess I'll use the quads in boss and the quints in mob then since we only have 2 quads atm. Thanks

[sweet delta]

Quad mags are better than quint mags?

[inland juniper]

One more thing, for a boss fleet, are flapjacks usually still better than Proto La-9s from series 7? Or would this really depend on the boss?

[rigid onyx]

quad mags are fairly cheap to craft in gear lab

[inland juniper]

Meant the improved ones since I had them at +13 already

[soft raft]

Context dependent
Rocket Fighters like the LA-9 arent really advised for campaign since they do not have passive interception capability

[primal silo]

in total, I only got enough for 2 HVARs
Is it fine?

[sharp socket]

yes

[soft raft]

You'll live
BF-109Gs fufilled the anti-light rocket fighter niche years before HVAR was even a thing

[primal silo]

[soft raft]

the majority of bosses are also Med and Heavy

[inland juniper]

What about for like the monthly challenge modes?

[sweet delta]

According to my research, in the absence of any timed buffs or biased movement patterns,
Quad mag is better than quint mag in 90s battle and worse in 80s battle

[inland juniper]

So generally quint for mob, quad for boss?

[soft raft]

at that point it'd just be a question of timing
which can vary based off of what ships you have/use

[inland juniper]

Im mostly just trying to understand gear since ive been playing for years but never really learned stuff about timings and all that. Even realized I was using stuff like scepters on later firing CVs instead of early 💀

How do I know if a boss is light/med/heavy?

[soft raft]

eh I just slap scepter on all of my CVs
the little skills on the purple augments arent really anything too concerning

at most the crossbow for BBs since it slightly nerfs anti-light performance in favor of slightly buffing anti-heavy performance

[storm heron]

Thanks for the tip, raise my score by 200
#trophy-room message

[sharp socket]

just use quads for everything imo

[atomic abyss]

Not quad BB guns tho...

[soft raft]

Mainly the hulltype
or if it's a chibi shipgirl enemy, you can look them up in-game or the wiki for their armor type

[sharp socket]

well theres no quint BB guns, it was about torps

[storm heron]

no quad dd gun tho...

[slow fox]

@viscid swift I calculated average eHP increase (in absolute portlands) due to tech for the big VG hull types.

[rigid onyx]

yes quad cl gun tho...

[sweet delta]

Why did you screenshot poggyman and daunich though

[atomic abyss]

Cos it was poggers?

[rigid onyx]

Whats the prio for vanguard fleet tech again?

CL eva --> fp everywhere?

[atomic abyss]

CB/CA eva first (there's only 5)

[viscid swift]

Cruiser eva

[storm heron]

to encourage them to spend hours on EX

[rigid onyx]

so CB/CA eva --> Cl eva --> fp?

[viscid swift]

So what you're saying is DD Eva might make a tangible difference

[viscid swift]

Pretty much

[signal pollen]

I’ve been using her since vanguard research farming but is it worth 125 her?

[slow fox]

That's been my suspicion for the past 2 months or so. Specifically, this shows that maxed DD EVA contributes as much to eHP as maxed DD HP. There's just 256 HP to do, which is a hassle. Whether or not that's worth it is up to the person.

[viscid swift]

Out of curiosity

[storm heron]

helldiver - barracuda - staag/roomba - catapult/aviation tank - catapult/aviation tank

[sweet delta]

256 HP tech isn't 256 level 120 DDs to do

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

Could you see what happens if we bake the 200 DD HP in and see what the difference is for the bit that needs ships at 120

[slow fox]

It's uhh collection MLB and 120, right? So I guess

256/3 lol

[elfin hollow]

How do I get stephen

[sharp socket]

most DDs are hp tech on collection right

[sweet delta]

Buy her tomorrow in whatever shop she's added to

[rigid onyx]

182/256 dd hp tech is collectionno

[viscid swift]

Guild shop

[soft raft]

Guild shop later after maint ends

[slow fox]

Just to be clear - assume 200 HP tech is already exist - then do the heat map for the remaining 32 HP tech?

[rigid onyx]

there are 32 ships you'd have to l120 for the max hp fleet tech

[viscid swift]

Yes

[signal pollen]

Is this supposed to be big? I'm not trying sarcastic, but I do kinda wanna know.(hp amount)

[slow fox]

What about the EVA portion? Same?

[sweet delta]

The important part that can affect decisions is how does 1 HP compare to 1 EVA

[viscid swift]

Uhh no, let me get some numbers for you rq

[slow fox]

According to the diagonal line on the graph - it looks like 36 EVA is worth 256 HP.

AKA do 7.1 HP tech for every 1 EVA tech.

[rigid onyx]

hp fleet tech isn't really a huge boon as 1 hp isn't nearly as valuable as, say 1 fp (for reference z52 has 2859 base hp and 121 base fp). It's probably the least valuable tech stat in general tbh

[slow fox]

-# I'd say it's the second most valuable.

[rigid onyx]

i'd much rather have +256fp from fleet tech than +256 hp

[signal pollen]

Are the 32 ships all the same archtypes like DD? or is it any random 32 ships?

[sharp socket]

mebot is ehp man he only knows ehp

[rigid onyx]

most dds give hp tech on acquisition and an assortment of them also give more on level 120

[slow fox]

When 256 FP tech is available, HP tech will be at 1024. I'd rather have 1024 HP than 256 FP.

[icy cave]

In patch notes, it says that some ships will be removed from the standard pools how are we able to get them?

[sweet delta]

Read the patch notes

[viscid swift]

okay so the amount of DD HP tech that actually needs ships at 120 is 39 and for evasion it's 23

[rigid onyx]

I'm confused 39? isn't it 32?

[slow fox]

So you want your baseline to be 200 HP and...uhhh...10 EVA?

[sharp socket]

25 + 14 =39

[rigid onyx]

oh i misinterpreted his statement

[icy cave]

I may be blind but I can't find what you are referring to

[sharp socket]

are the patch notes TL'ed already? i thought it was in 2hrs

[viscid swift]

13 EVA and 217 HP

[forest palm]

[slow fox]

Okay. Baseline 217 HP, 13 EVA.

And you want me to measure the effects of the REST of tech onto this baseline?

[viscid swift]

yes

[icy cave]

The ingame one

[viscid swift]

because that's the tech that actually needs to be grinded out, the rest of from on obtain tech and faction tech so it's relatively speaking easier to obtain

[rigid onyx]

acquisition & faction tech feels a lot more passive fs

[icy cave]

Any idea? I have no idea what suchigummy is talking about

[viscid swift]

because if that 23 eva actually makes a notably difference to DD HP still I might actually prirotize it

[viscid swift]

he means read further down in the patch notes

[dreamy blade]

how often do they update the construction pools and guild/medal/etc shop ships? kinda bummed i already bought my medal dd and now kazagumo is being added

[viscid swift]

because if you did you'd no that all the removed ships are being added to the medal, guild, merit, and core data shops

[icy cave]

Ah requisition, thanks

[viscid swift]

about this time every year

[dreamy blade]

welp now i know i guess

[stark quiver]

How do raid events work? Do i only get 15 tries a day to do oil cap stages?

[soft raft]

please dont do that btw
it's a scam

The ships being removed are being added to various shops as well

/15runs

[odd root]

The first 15 runs you do each day give better rewards than normal. Once you hit 0/15, you can still fight, for the same number of contribution points, but the droprate of equipment blueprints is much lower. Your 15 runs reset each day, so you will get 15 more "drop-boosted" runs tomorrow. You can use challenge tickets to run "boosted" attempts when you run out of your daily amount.

[viscid swift]

no, after the first 15 tries a day the drops just become much worse

[stark quiver]

So I can keep spamming it for affinity and it’ll be the same?

[sharp socket]

15 runs only applies to raid?

[cobalt gate]

is there like a point where i don't need accuracy that much? was wondering how worht it the accuracy skills are for cat

[stark quiver]

Oh I didn’t see the / thing lol

[rigid onyx]

accuracy is an extremely important stat for main fleet, but not for cats

[viscid swift]

accuracy talents are not worth it for cats

[rigid onyx]

it is one of the best fleet techs for cvs/bbs though

[cobalt gate]

i see, yeah it seems super small increase that i could get easier from fleet technology

[viscid swift]

3 hit is not worth 16 FP

max accuracy talent on cats will give 3 hit stat

[cobalt gate]

well i guess i need to use a better starting cat then

[sharp socket]

i heard 1 hit = 2 fp so 20fp talent better

[rigid onyx]

yh it's not worth on cats

[cobalt gate]

i do wonder, is it worth it to use a purple command cat for cv since the gold one is used as staff? or use something else

[worldly pewter]

what is this logic ?

[cobalt gate]

accuracy is the same as hit right

[sharp socket]

i heard from faer

[viscid swift]

yes

[slow fox]

Percentage (absolute, not port%) improvement over 217 HP 13 EVA. Looks like EVA becomes more worth it.

[sharp socket]

when discussing white shell + afct vs black shell + afct

[cobalt gate]

btw is there a good ehp calculator?

[worldly pewter]

both stats have a different mechanic so it is weird to compare them
it is like adding apples to oranges

[signal pollen]

Which UR should I limit break next or should I wait for to see how good the last two new UR units are?

[slow fox]

Yeah. Me.

[sharp socket]

the comparison was which one was better overall balancing hit/fp

[slow fox]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/ehp

You can use this link to access my eHP chart and associated claculator.

[signal pollen]

I don’t think I have enough good dive bombers and torpedo planes thingies either

[rigid onyx]

just finish amagi

how many ur bulins do you have & what mlb urs do you have?

[worldly pewter]

i see so it is about the general values

[cobalt gate]

oh thanks

[signal pollen]

I can get a 7 more but I have 3 bulli now

[viscid swift]

how many UR Bullins do you have
and what URs do you have MLB already

[viscid swift]

no brainer Shinano, Amagi, Implac first

[worldly pewter]

u pressed on the sort and u forgot to toggle UR rarity

[signal pollen]

These are all the UR I have

[rigid onyx]

amagi --> shinano --> implac for sure right now

[cobalt gate]

the 2 sakura ones i feel like

[signal pollen]

Do I need a vanguard support comp or is it the generic survival one?

[cobalt gate]

amagi since you almost done then shinano

[viscid swift]

well get Kazagumo leveled along with Sirius, they're good complements

[rigid onyx]

after those 3 you can wait for the new UR to decide who to do next

[signal pollen]

I have that. I can do that. Who should be the third?

[rigid onyx]

actually you could consider not mlb'ing implac until you see if you get any for free during her rerun 🤔

in exchange for delaying her mlb by ~2 months you'd save .88 UR bulins on average, and save 1 UR bulin 58.9% of the time

[signal pollen]

Yeah that’s a good point. I’m not really pressed on CV because I still lack a lot of planes

[keen sable]

placy for 2 years at 1LB

[bold stream]

Hello all. I only got 20/25 of the farmable fighter.. is there a way to get the other five? Got no oil already.

[keen sable]

game gives you 25 for "free" so?

[stark quiver]

does the 15runs for raid event unlock on day 1

and whats hard modes oilcap?

[bold stream]

Yea, i mean I have one plane ready and got 20/25.. I was thinking of where to get the other five missing if possible outside of current even which is about to go away

[keen sable]

probably never

[bold stream]

I see. So that plane can nit be farmed aside from event

[keen sable]

that's correct

[icy cave]

I think u can farm it when it gets added to war archive maybe?

[storm heron]

If I have 3 rings, who's the best 3 to oath for stats?

[keen sable]

you could or just wait for it to be added somewhere else that doesn't require farming

[rigid onyx]

i wouldn't be pressed about the hvars tbh. in my opinion they were honestly shilled a bit too much and for the majority of mid to early-endgame players the oil wouldve been better served farming fleet tech & getting ships up

[storm heron]

:UniqueNameDoubt:

[keen sable]

that's exactly what D3 does though...

[stark quiver]

How about just do both?
With free oil you have more than enough to get max tech

[rigid onyx]

im sorry that statement is not real

[viscid swift]

most of us don't withdraw mail outside of rainy days like HVAR farming

[stark quiver]

Rainy day is an understatement

[viscid swift]

and in my case rushing to farm Houston 2 the first week W15 released

other than that I'll ocassionaly draw like 1k to finish up a grind but that's it really

[stark quiver]

How much oil do you have left cheeky?

[viscid swift]

173k, I didn't even dip into storage for the 16 HVAR prints I ended up grinding

[stark quiver]

Nice I have 0

[keen sable]

I think I have like 800k. 96 mail + 600k storage

[storm heron]

hvars kinda overrated tbh, it's just a really good event. Well-being is more important than anything you can get in this game

[stark quiver]

Well I also had different reasons to grind d3

[rigid onyx]

getting 5 HVARs is something uniquely needed for one shotting meta fights, as biszwei makes BBs better for light harbis anyways

The amount people shilled HVARs was honestly kinda incorrect, you didn't need more than 2 for kear + yorkii comps

[viscid swift]

well I'm pretty sure everyone who did commit knew what they were getting into

[south sequoia]

which one gives more protocores 10 dr bp or 30 pr bp

[viscid swift]

150 vs 200 so DRs

[keen sable]

cheaper too...

[rigid onyx]

there were quite a few newish-midgame players in the brainrot thread

[stark quiver]

And?

[south sequoia]

it would be 3

[viscid swift]

I mean really commit

[south sequoia]

2 for yorktown in 1 for kear

[storm heron]

D3 is still a good place to farm anyways tbh

[viscid swift]

2-3 for 70k event points is a hard grind but nothing that extroidnary

[stark quiver]

I wanted to farm points and toolkits also so

[rigid onyx]

I guess it's only 1 needed actually b/c yorkii would have skyraider for her skills

[keen sable]

if only 70k got one 2...

[sharp socket]

i farmed hvars cause what else was i gonna spend my mail oil on

[viscid swift]

This though

[south sequoia]

Timing concerns, and the fact hvar for light armor damage is still pretty huge

[storm heron]

25 print for 58k to clear the important things for new player + 10 drbp + 10 prbp

[stark quiver]

Oh
look its me

[viscid swift]

yeah 173k in a week, that's grinding hard

[south sequoia]

3 should only really be the minimum, 2 is alright if you have the time to adjust timings

[stark quiver]

Not a week
I stopped grinding after d4

[storm heron]

as seen on TV ™️

[viscid swift]

see what I mean

[rigid onyx]

this is kinda pointless but I think it's fairly evident how much hvars were shilled when they should've been fairly low prio until a certain point of account development

[viscid swift]

compared to what exactly

[keen sable]

i think the real travesty is people who get told not to do events because

[south sequoia]

Speaking from someone who only has 2 hvars, it's kind of a pain having to readjust timings and planes and even lacking damage having to lack one or 2 more than what others have had

[viscid swift]

what else could you have spent that oil on that was so important as to skip on one of the best, albeit a bit niche, event limited gears still

[south sequoia]

^

[slow fox]

Rudders

[viscid swift]

most of the newer players were also leveling up fleets still as well

[stark quiver]

Mebot…..

[viscid swift]

rather than committing to 1-1 fleets that the hardcore farmers were doing

and the blut of event points could be used on quite a number of useful things in the event shop

[rigid onyx]

100k oil on gear that won't even achieve any breakpoints until they have max fleet tech when they should've just grinded fleet tech and bought 2 extra hvars when they come to gear lab next year seems a lot more prudent

[viscid swift]

they were grinding tech and XP though

you don't need maxed ships to farm D3 nor should you because it's too easy to justify using maxed ships

[storm heron]

who spent 100k oil

[south sequoia]

You don't really lose out on grinding hvar and the event considering you were still getting event points and you get a decent amount of tech and exp, if hvars were to be moved to gear lab prior to this event your argument would be much more sound, but as it stands you don't really lose out on anything in the long run by not giving it a shot to grind them

[viscid swift]

also I retierate

[stark quiver]

How to know hvars would be in gear lab instead of 4 runs a day

[viscid swift]

anyone who spent that much oil was not a causal/newer player, they're much a mid game player at least at that point

[south sequoia]

and spending 100k on a week long event might I add, you're practically sweating buckets and leaving your device on for long periods of time
you don't just casually hold 100k oil anywhere

not to mention the amount of ship swapping and grinding they had to do

[viscid swift]

aye

I think if I had unlimited oil I'd only manage around spending 10-15k oil a day on 12-1

[rigid onyx]

time & oil spent playing in a single week long event doesn't comment on the development of the account, just the short-term commitment of the player

[stark quiver]

Bruh this could’ve just ended with the usual:
If u don’t wanna grind then don’t, it’s not rocket science

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

sea hornet is both a WA drop and Gear lab item
wouldnt be surprised if Chappy gun is too when Northern Parliment gets a gear lab tab

[sharp socket]

i mean if you started with CV year youd want the hvars more than someone starting in BB year (like me)

[viscid swift]

you need to 100k oil to spend in the first place

a majority of that has to come from storage considering the short duration of the event

[rigid onyx]

you'd only have needed ~40k mail oil to spend 100k during the event iirc

[stark quiver]

It took all 80k oil out my storage
Idk what you’re on about

[storm heron]

this is why I said to new player that they're not supposed to farm until the target HVARs people tell them, they're supposed to farm just as much as they can sanely possible without hurting well-being

sc: #gameplay-help message

[wind hazel]

[plain saffron]

Is there ur item in shop?

[viscid swift]

what shop

[plain saffron]

Event shop

[soft raft]

Skyraider yuh

[viscid swift]

it's a raid event, there is no event shop

[storm heron]

skyraider

[rigid onyx]

that is a nonsense statement ngl, it can take infinite oil to farm infinite hvars

anyways this is a pointless argument clogging the channel but it's interesting to see how much emphasis is placed on short-term benefit for an item thats only significant in the extremely long-term

[viscid swift]

again what doee it matter, grinding D3 you still would have been gaining coins and XP

[keen sable]

telling people not to play an event is just wrong. very wrong

[eager mulch]

[viscid swift]

if you seriously think that 100k oil spent on farming D3 rather than W12 is gonna make a serious impact on an account I don't really know what to say then

[eager mulch]

i didn’t farm any HVARs this run

[storm heron]

should I give it back?

[rigid onyx]

this is just a bastion of strawmen (I am not saying to ignore the event) and poor arguments (100k oil into the void would not make a serious impact on an account)

[viscid swift]

then what is your bloody point

[stark quiver]

[storm heron]

maybe his point is we shouldn't have been going too hard day and night with this event, but then it's on a thread and newbs are free to join/ignore

[viscid swift]

we weren't though, that's that thing

[stark quiver]

Yea

[wind hazel]

people that grinded that much are people that whale for ranking every event, or people that are interested to 1shot meta bosses

[rigid onyx]

My point is as it was at the start of the argument: i feel that it was suboptimal for a large group of players to have grinded out 5+ hvars and this channel overemphasized the necessity to have farmed them

[keen sable]

no one normal has 6 hvar from this event much less 2. I don't even have 2 at 65k. gear farming truly does suck that much and everyone was warned that gear farming sucks that much

[viscid swift]

say to grind for HVARs, as many a you can

is not the same as ruin your life to farm this gear in a gacha game

[south sequoia]

That's the thing... its unrealistic to expect newbies to grind that much for a week long event where the rates were fixed

[sharp socket]

people found the thread if they wanted to

[rigid onyx]

farm as many as you can wasn't good advice is my point essentially

[south sequoia]

cheeky was saying grind as much as you can, grinding for a target amount in these circumstances would be completely unrealistic

[stark quiver]

Gameplay maxxing channel

[humble summit]

can u get akashi in c1

[sharp socket]

i don't think any of the hvar farmers actively dragged new players into the hvar hell

[south sequoia]

No?

[stark quiver]

Yes you can

[south sequoia]

wait what

[cobalt gate]

ugh chapter 15 torpedoes are way too annoying

[south sequoia]

oh Im stupid

[stark quiver]

That’s why c1 farming is a thing

[south sequoia]

I thought that meant the event

[sharp socket]

if there are then its gph being filled with diverse people that may or may not be misinformed

[viscid swift]

one, the people that were grinding out that many HVARs were either late game players or getting there, they very much knew what they were getting into and understood

and the latter, we literally have't

[humble summit]

are u sure

i got dragged into it

[keen sable]

i have never ever advocated or advised or even told someone that 1:1 D3 exists

[storm heron]

it was your choice to join a thread with nolifer in the name loll

[keen sable]

if you found it it's because you didn't want to believe me

[stark quiver]

Unfortunate soul

[sharp socket]

if you're referring to aurora, go talk to him instead of blaming the whole gph for wasting your time

[humble summit]

i guess its worth it

[south sequoia]

grinding as many as you can isn't communicating you need to spend everything into it, it meant that new players should try their best to grab as much as they can before the event had gone away because they really don't lose anything grinding the event because of the event shop and the fact d3 still gave coins and exp
I think you're just interpreting something else from "grinding as much as you can"

[rigid onyx]

grinding as many as you can isn't communicating you need to spend everything into it

[viscid swift]

yes, that is exactly what were saying

[rigid onyx]

what?

[storm heron]

I don't even know if it's worth tbh

[south sequoia]

... did you think everyone else here was saying anything else

[viscid swift]

as you can, as many you feel comfortable with doing, etc

[rigid onyx]

no im saying that sentence is internally inconsistent

[viscid swift]

what

[humble summit]

i mean i dont have alot of planes to substitute, these are good for light armor anyways right

[viscid swift]

my dude, that's just you reading too much into it at that point

[sharp socket]

i did in fact feel it was a waste of time personally because i have 5 UR BBs and only 2 antilight CVs that dont have synergy together but thats just me

[humble summit]

chill, i think it means spend what ever u can and not everything (mail oil probs)

[keen sable]

I'd rather see the oil go to event than dorm food

[rigid onyx]

it's literally the opposite of reading too much into it; it's taking the original sentiment at face value

[worldly pewter]

she would never encourage anyone to go hardcore on hvar farming imo

[south sequoia]

I backread up to this point can you please just drop it when we're all literally agreeing about how much a player should farm
the conversation started in the first place with regulars commentating about how much they dipped down
keywords "how much they"

[viscid swift]

you are literally the only person here who is interpreting it as such

[storm heron]

I mean, it's the same person recommending C1 openly

[eager mulch]

I would never recommend C1

[viscid swift]

just because we talk about soemthing amongst each other doesn't mean it's a recc

[worldly pewter]

what does this have to do with hvar farming ?

[south sequoia]

I'm not interested in letting the channel clog up with the convo further when it's a back and forth when we all agree it's literally "Farm as much as you can you don't lose out on anything much grinding this week long event" anymore comments to drag this out after this is gonna receieve a bonk

[plain saffron]

Do i need 2 skyraider or I'm fucked

[south sequoia]

not really

[viscid swift]

I would still get it

[south sequoia]

pretty sure there isn't much double skyraider tech, but of course doesnt hurt to have 2

[viscid swift]

it's good, and you don't know when it will return

[plain saffron]

Is there enough time to farm from 0

[south sequoia]

probably

[sharp socket]

yes

[south sequoia]

just dig into your sp and do the additional missions

[viscid swift]

from 0 would be a bit of a rush job but yes

[sharp socket]

if you buy nothing else yes

[south sequoia]

maybe even a bit of HELPs

[keen sable]

not 0. from previous event farm...

[storm heron]

pretty sure you can get a whole 5k from just dailies and first clear

[keen sable]

although i guess have 1 implies you opened D3 previously

[storm heron]

good luck alt nagami

[plain saffron]

How much needed for ur gear

[stark quiver]

10k

[rigid onyx]

10k

[plain saffron]

This is my main account, actually both

[stark quiver]

welp
have fun and good luck nagami i belive in you

[south sequoia]

I don't

[plain saffron]

😔

[viscid swift]

I wasn't gonna say it but

also there should be a datamine tonight

[stark quiver]

goddamit cheeky

[turbid marsh]

Cn already out I believe

[keen sable]

just grind sara to 0. it's worth it

if nagami is farming who's mining

[stark quiver]

nagami v2 ofc

[sharp socket]

does nagami mine

[viscid swift]

Naganami will do the datamine trust

[stark quiver]

someone give him ot pay jesus

[sharp socket]

just multitask ganbatte

[turbid marsh]

Think I read Cl hit +1 ca hit +1 dd torp +2

[stark quiver]

good tech spotted

[storm heron]

hit tech

[plain saffron]

I forgot there's new stuff today

[rigid onyx]

Did they stop adding cv rl tech?

[viscid swift]

no

[storm heron]

they used to add one during houshou meta, since then they have stopped for a while

[sharp socket]

surely this year we can get more bb rld

[viscid swift]

can't exactly add CV tech if there's no CVs being added this patch

[viscid swift]

that's good tech though

even on vanguards

[sharp socket]

also does hoarding alot of gear in unused ships cause more lag when changing gear

[viscid swift]

uhhh, no clue

[south sequoia]

ca hit tech means more CB hit

[sharp socket]

it takes me like 5 seconds to change 1 piece of gear

[rigid onyx]

has anyone tested if there's any measurable interaction between framerate (say 30 fps vs 60 fps) and sortie mechanics

[soft raft]

Cruiser EVA

[sharp socket]

from tapping the gear, clicking change, tapping new gear, and changing it at last

[south sequoia]

thats a new one

[rigid onyx]

i keep my game on 30 b/c it drains less battery but i've heard it fucks up your AA somehow

[sharp socket]

it doesn't matter anyway because you run w15 at 5 fps

[undone plover]

Usually I just close the game and open again when this happens

[worldly pewter]

i cleared w15 with 2 fps

[sweet delta]

Fushun 15s barrage burns for 102 dps

[rigid onyx]

i've also seen some people say they cant 4 strike on low frames but idk if cope

i'm just going to wait for smarter people to decide if fu shun is better than TY

[plain saffron]

Datamine in process

[viscid swift]

what did they do to her first skill

[sweet delta]

+12% fp trp rld

[viscid swift]

good stuff

[turbid marsh]

Crit rate too

[viscid swift]

no that was there before

[soft raft]

[turbid marsh]

Oh that was there too? That’s not bad

[sharp socket]

sy-1a missile available aswell right

[viscid swift]

yeah but that was all she had skill wise besides her AoA

[sweet delta]

Hwajah got the chenhai plane treatment but with 3:3 instead of 3:2, w15 support duty

[storm heron]

hwajah > nakh?

[viscid swift]

that puts her where then in the rankings?

[sharp socket]

hwah jah can use real planes

[storm heron]

/datamine

[thin wraith]

When i ask this, i hope I don’t start WWIII. Is there a single best shipgirl in the game so far? Like, one that everyone just universally agrees on?

[viscid swift]

no

[sharp socket]

no

[turbid marsh]

I think hwajah got really improved. She goes barrages 10 seconds in, and 5 seconds after her flights

[thin wraith]

I figured that was coming

[sweet delta]

And her skill gives another 10% efficiency so it's 6 planes at 160% (but of course only 150% in support)

[viscid swift]

besides the fact you need at least one main fleet and one vanguard to form a fleet and you usually run 6, and that ships usually do different roles

not to mention how do you define best

[sharp socket]

well there is one that you really want for almost everything, which is unicorn

[thin wraith]

Have ‘er

[turbid marsh]

This is from cn.

[thin wraith]

Oh, you know what, fair point

[storm heron]

unicorn

[rigid onyx]

i clicked on that expecting to be able to read it

[thin wraith]

Same…

[knotty dome]

sandy is numba wan, with a song to prove it

[soft raft]

Closest you'll get is Unicorn retrofit being a perament fixture in your mob fleet

Otherwise it's extremely context and/or content dependent

[rigid onyx]

there is no ship that is universally best in every niche

[viscid swift]

she is an idol, therefore lying and therefore point invalidated

[thin wraith]

I suspected that. Thank you. I was just curious to see if there was one specific one 🙂

[rigid onyx]

closest thing to being irreplacable is unicorn and even then she has direct alternatives for her role (percy outside of w15, volga in w15)

[copper glacier]

Who do I give this to? I think I got it during the event with Musashi, but never got Musashi.

[turbid marsh]

Keep it there.

[viscid swift]

Volga isn't an alternative to Unicorn at all

[copper glacier]

In storage? It's not equipped to anyone right now.

[rigid onyx]

is volga not the 2nd best main healer in w15, even if on a different tier than uni

[undone plover]

Triple 460 is very niche
Has been used in some meta fights with success

[storm heron]

I mean, idk if anything will come close to this

[keen sable]

perseus is

[turbid marsh]

That’s fine. I highly doubt we got any fights using that gun besides musashi.

[viscid swift]

she's not a main healer to begin with

[sharp socket]

hwah jah 6x150% fighter(?) 413 avi 207 rld

[rigid onyx]

slow reload time makes it really awkward to use for a non-explicit purpose

[viscid swift]

she only has one heal that's guranteed to do anything every 20 seconds

[sharp socket]

w15 support looks real

[viscid swift]

Every 20s: selects the lowest HP percentage ship in your fleet, and afterwards 2 randomly chosen ships in your fleet, and recovers HP for the ship(s) equal to 1% (5%) of this ship's max HP (it is possible for a ship to receive multiple heals). After this effect activates: spawns a Lv.1 (Lv.10) summon that explodes, dealing DMG to enemies (DMG is based on the skill's level and this ship's AVI stat).

[thin wraith]

Is there a place to submit suggestions? Like, for in-game content?

[storm heron]

#game-feedback

[turbid marsh]

Should be klaudia that’s alternative, and ruihou? I forgot what’s the little phoenix cvl heal ship again?

[viscid swift]

#game-feedback but they don't take feed back for new ships, events, etc

[thin wraith]

Oh, game feedback. Thank you 🙂

[keen sable]

you could try using it on a 3 cycle bb vs maihou but if you don't know what that means probably don't use it

[eternal moth]

Zuihou? Or Ryuuhou?

[thin wraith]

Ohhh, it wasn’t on my channel list. That’s why i couldn’t find it

[turbid marsh]

(But klaudia can’t get anymore) yeah zuihou

[viscid swift]

Klaudia would be an alt yes

Zuiho kinda but she falls more into the role Volga and Aquila fullfil

[rigid onyx]

there isn't really any reason to touch them in w15 if you have unikai and the only reason you wouldnt have unikai is for self-challenge

[eternal moth]

Huh. 205 RLD would give Hwah Jah the same RLD as Indep.

Although Indep does have 8 planes compared to 6 for Hwah Jah.

[soft raft]

Aquila still has value being paired with Unicorn
Her targeted heals can be handy

Esp for Musashi

[turbid marsh]

I’m suspecting hwahjah may have a niche in opsi mob

[sharp socket]

if it is 6 fighters at 150% she would become 2nd best w15 support i think

[rigid onyx]

niche in opsi mob is like having a niche in cutting butter

[storm heron]

low avi unfortunately

[sharp socket]

413 avi

[soft raft]

She probably won't boot Indep from mob unless she somehow has a better cross fleet buff

[sharp socket]

for reference nakhi has 440+

[plain saffron]

No new gear right?

[sharp socket]

indomie has 434, fritz 454

[storm heron]

so hwah jah nakh sidegrade with faster rld?

[rigid onyx]

thats not bad 🤔

[soft raft]

I think like one(?)
Unless that was FunShin's retro item

[turbid marsh]

Probably. I mean indep can go to 4th fleet for buff if using luna/akagiu.

[plain saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B58z58tcbKgZRafH9MwtaNTQqBCDLCRAn8DHI1KHMY4/edit?usp=sharing

[viscid swift]

correct

[knotty dome]

i'm trying to do parallel superimposition EX, i'm watching suchiguma vid but for some reason the attack pattern is different? when i move forward for the 2nd and 4th attack bullet still come out towards me
(if there's an easy auto fleet i'd appreciate it idc about high score)

[turbid marsh]

the new item goes like this. 500hp, + 5% trp, heal 2% every 30 sec. Fushun and stuff only.

[rigid onyx]

i need to find a better 3rd than saratoga in opsi mob; need fairly high adapts to one shot harbies fleet strongholds sometimes. Might replace her for bearn or hwahjah 🤔

[storm heron]

no hwah jah? or I'm EN'ed

[turbid marsh]

If you can read Chinese, here’s the new equip think that’s the only one.

[storm heron]

do you get hit?

[undone plover]

Try this for manual
#gameplay-help message

[plain saffron]

You lied, there's new equip

[knotty dome]

i suck with manual but i dunno what a good auto fleet for this would be

[novel solstice]

The initial thing where there's a bullet that then explodes in a spray that goes in most directions but has a safe zone either to the right or the left?

It swaps directions based on whether or not any of its little bullets hit you. So if you get perfectly in the safe zone, it alternates left then right... But if even one of the little bullets lands, it'll go the same way again.

[wide dome]

Is there any real reason for me to keep 1 star ships? What's the best thing to do with them?

[eternal moth]

What's the ability?

[plain saffron]

Retro is in retro tab which doesn't exist yet rn

[turbid marsh]

This

[viscid swift]

When equipped by Fubo, Feiyun, or Fushun, its own lightning strike attribute will be increased by 5% during battle. 30 seconds after the battle starts, 2% of its own durability will be restored.

[keen sable]

tech, gems, cost, collection, waifu. it's up to you

[knotty dome]

ohhhhhhhhh. i got tagged by a few but i didn't realize that's how this works. that makes a lot more sense lol, thanks

[viscid swift]

so 5% torp stat buff and 2% heal every 30 seconds

[eternal moth]

Boo, 70% barrage chance

[novel solstice]

This EX fight is really annoying because you really do need to have someone explain it to you. It would take forever to figure out that's how it works by just playing the fight and dying a lot.

[viscid swift]

only works on Fu Po, Fei Yuan, and Fu Shun

[faint cloud]

Rather after 30 seconds than every 30 seconds

[turbid marsh]

barrage information is out for hwahjah too but that’s from the bilibilier I kinda don’t trust. Gonna wait for en for this one.

[eternal moth]

I don't remember, does "lightning attribute" mean RLD or evade?

[faint cloud]

Torp

[viscid swift]

it means torp

[eternal moth]

Oh, right. Thanks

[viscid swift]

Chien Wu's laodout is interetsing if nothing else

[viscid swift]

so this probably replaces the Toolbox for normal use on Fu Shun but whether it's better for a purely offensive build will remain to be seen

[knotty dome]

thanks for the helped, cleared the EX

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

Sup gph

[elfin hollow]

chat I've clutched the skyraider before event ends. Unfortunately, i can't get the HVAR.

any significant problems in the future if I have no HVAR?

[storm heron]

:AuroraWave:

[wide dome]

T1 tech packs, open them as-is or craft them into T2?

[keen sable]

inb4 T2 into T3

[stark quiver]

craft all the way up to purple

[storm heron]

HVAR's niche is light armor bossing, but should be fine if you just use BBs

[wide dome]

Didn't even know you could do that lol. Thanks

[storm heron]

also don't forget the first HVAR is free

[elfin hollow]

wait wha-

Idk about that T _ T

[keen sable]

sounds like they're struggling to even make 10k

[sleek spade]

I only have 7 bp into my last hvar. would it be enough time to get to 25 before reset?

[undone plover]

U can buy 15 prints for 2k tokens and get 10 prints if u reach 13k milestone
How far are you?

[keen sable]

i have 0 in 3 days so...

[sleek spade]

yea I had 0 in 2 days and it just dropped 3 today

[viscid swift]

unlikely

[sleek spade]

[undone plover]

Doable with HELP tickets and rotating fleets but u beed to grind a lot
Maybe need 50 runs for 7 prints and u only have 3 hours

[sleek spade]

how long will it take for these to show up in gear lab? is there any substitute for hvar against light?

or cope options...

[keen sable]

other rockets

[viscid swift]

they won't be added before the event get's archived

[worldly pewter]

if 6 can be done in 15 min technically doable ?

[sleek spade]

die inside...

[undone plover]

Bf109 works but it is worse and not a USS plane (for kear and yorkii skills)
And possibly added in ~ 1 year from now

[viscid swift]

realistically I don't see them being added till January next year

I doubt the event gets archived in time for the June update

[sleek spade]

I managed to farm 1 and got 1 from event shop. Im 18 away till the next one. I literally got none despite farming all day yesterday

[wind hazel]

no DDG datamine yet?

[undone plover]

Oh I thought u needed 7
Yeah better just forget about it at this point

Also PSA ppl click your rookie missions before doing the pulls tomorrow
Otherwise it wont register the builds

[viscid swift]

that is your datamine

[wind hazel]

burn

[viscid swift]

now I gotta figure out what to do with 5 missiles

[wind hazel]

you bought extra

[vale spindle]

its gonna come by 10pm west coast merica probably if not earlier

[sweet delta]

How many +13 missil

[vale spindle]

What's likely gonna happen is nagami probably will post the sheet and I'll do the full pin writeup later

[wind hazel]

suchi not reading dm

[vale spindle]

Read his website he doesn't accept dms from dum dum messages

[sharp socket]

nagami why doesn't your live2d viewer work

[storm heron]

which one? it worked last time

[vale spindle]

iirc touching doesnt worku gotta trigger it from the side butto s

[sweet delta]

What battle UI do you use?

[wind hazel]

new one

new f2p

[storm heron]

ah yea Shinano's vision of fantasy has been black for like minutes

[plain saffron]

Which skin

[storm heron]

I think the newer skin, like Nakhimov's as well

[ivory thicket]

Maint today right?

[plain saffron]

Please direct all complaints to ecgc server #saraposting thanks

[ivory thicket]

Cool thanks!

Wait why slowmode here.

[eternal moth]

Do we know what Fu Shun's retro does yet?

[storm heron]

because of laws of physics

[viscid swift]

some of it

[ivory thicket]

Nicee!

I am ready to retro her, have the bulin and the mats ready!

[vale spindle]

Always has been xd
used to be 15s but they changed it to 10s some years back

[ivory thicket]

I didnt notice at all lol

[storm heron]

done

[eternal moth]

My alt can't do w12 yet, so 11-4 should be the best place to get coins right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[hard parcel]

Hi, can I get help with my fleets?

[cunning bison]

create thread and show dock pics

[hard parcel]

Alr

Fleet help

[sharp socket]

hinden

[stark quiver]

dont want ppl clogging up chat
also more time to see questions instead of it being drowned out

[storm heron]

so who should I oath for meta purposes? amagi, nakh, and who else?

I have 3 rings

[turbid marsh]

you mentioned nakh, so automatically soy

[robust jackal]

Twin 457 v Trip 406 MKI for medium armor boss at plus 13?

[soft raft]

MKI?
Huh?

[robust jackal]

MK-1

[sharp socket]

soyuz gun

you only have one of it

[turbid gyro]

Best XP maps under campaign 5?

[sharp socket]

highest one you can do

[soft raft]

Then that
You will rarely use the Twin 457 for bossing much less +13 it

[turbid gyro]

4-2 it is

[robust jackal]

is the rld too fast for timing on most bosses?

[soft raft]

Twin barrel guns cannot sync with Helena

[robust jackal]

noted, thanks

[slow fox]

-# I hate this game

[blissful hamlet]

Any of the new ship good?

[sharp socket]

also ty nagami hinden skin works in l2d viewer now
but nakhi doesn't work

[vocal sand]

why my flagship dont give xp? im grinding pr ship

[storm heron]

but soy is only good for boosting nakh

[sharp socket]

soyuz is good wdym

[viscid swift]

because shes already accumulated 3 million XP, she's still earning XP and contributing to the CDP but she's not able to store anymore

[vocal sand]

is it still contributing to the pr

[viscid swift]

also begs the question of why you're using maxed ships to farm XP

[viscid swift]

yes.....

[vocal sand]

and whats cdp just got back to the game sir

[blissful hamlet]

Where's the datamine

[wind hazel]

here

[keen sable]

combat data packs. used for combat collection or protocore

[wind hazel]

jk it's not here, but here #gameplay-help message

[storm heron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B58z58tcbKgZRafH9MwtaNTQqBCDLCRAn8DHI1KHMY4/edit?usp=sharing

[viscid swift]

sorry meant cdc, Combat Data Collection, which is the XP grinding poriton of unlocking PR ships

[blissful hamlet]

Where's the retrofit datamine

[viscid swift]

no clue

[vocal sand]

so can i still use rochileu for pr grind?

[storm heron]

we only have some of it

[viscid swift]

you can but I would really recc against that

[storm heron]

this is all we have for the retro info

[blissful hamlet]

Is hwah jah op now?

[sharp pine]

How many new hvars did yall get this event? I got enough prints to finish two new ones.

[storm heron]

might be one of the second best sidegrades for support fleet, 6 x 150% fighter base and 413 AVI base with 207 rld

[viscid swift]

total I have 6

[blissful hamlet]

How many planes she have now

[storm heron]

there I edited

[barren tapir]

6 x 150 fighter is not too bad nice

[sleek spade]

hey guys what armor class is this thing?

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

whys ur guild doing smth that isnt the other one

[sweet delta]

Also crit rate for missile

[blissful hamlet]

Indomitable killer

[sleek spade]

idk lmao

[storm heron]

small guild mby

[wind hazel]

heavy

[sweet delta]

Time to find another guild

[sleek spade]

probably misclick. we usually do the other one

[keen sable]

should be heavy still

[viscid swift]

my guild has 3 active members and we still do Solomon Air Battle twice a month

[sleek spade]

yea we have a lot of active dudes so it might just be a misclick or sth like that

[storm heron]

do they not give 35 gold plates

the purifier one

[wind hazel]

any google lens translator?

[turbid marsh]

? she has competitive damage herself

[fast steppe]

how much morale does a single d3 help run drain

[keen sable]

24 + 4

[storm heron]

lmao

[barren tapir]

fu shun good solo ddg?

[wind hazel]

i regret asking that
-# sex bonus wtf

[barren tapir]

sex bonus

[shell willow]

[turbid marsh]

heard best solo damage, but extremely squish. probably still going for anshan as 1:1 XD

[viscid swift]

doesn't look any squisher than An Shan

[barren tapir]

just has no eva% iirc? but not a big diff

[viscid swift]

Tai Yuan solo vanguard did fine for D3 and SP at 120

so I don't see Fu Shun having any issues

[hearty lake]

One last 10 pull and got 2 Yorktown URs. Which planes do i need to put on her?

[storm heron]

wait what is the 50% 80% thingy

[shell willow]

burn damage

based on "ignition"

[tulip dawn]

🐌

[storm heron]

so +20% crit rate on mg and torp, 12% on fp, trp, aa
-80% burn damage, -3 burn duration, barrage on 15 + 12k s, burn

[shell willow]

it says reduced by 50% (80%)

[storm heron]

is it really reduced by 80%? that sounds so odd, is it a reference?

[shell willow]

thats what mtl says

[sweet delta]

Imagine a fire type pokemon not being resistant to fire

[barren tapir]

fu shun good

[tulip dawn]

so fu shun retro isnt EN datamine yet right? i didnt pin an outdated link by accident or anything?

[storm heron]

yea datamine isn't released yet, it will be on the "retrofit" tab in the doc

[whole crypt]

looks fairly standard for ddg, just burn stuff since phoenix I guess

12% fp trp rld is nice

what did they do with hwah jah

[sweet delta]

6x150% fighter w15 support chen hai pro plus max

[whole crypt]

so they made the plane slots f/flex like chen hai?

[lyric stump]

skill 1: 12% gun+ torp + rld buff, 20%gun + missile ctitical hit rate
skill2: -80% burn dmg, -3s burn time, 15s per barrage, barrage giv special burn, 15*102
skill3: 16 main gun hit for barrage --- anshan class III

am born chinese i dont need google lens ty

[whole crypt]

you missed the rld

[lyric stump]

around 5% better then taiyuan i heard

[barren tapir]

nicee

[lyric stump]

ya no am playing wows for the past 2h
the pic is out like 2h ago on bilibili
dont snail me bruh

[lyric stump]

its out like 2h ago

[viscid swift]

maybe back read a bit before answering...

yes, we already know

[sweet delta]

post it on reddit for karma instead

[barren tapir]

but its not worth over toolkit right

[viscid swift]

in the datamine and translated

[whole crypt]

so chien wu/ddg/yat sen new wall?

[lyric stump]

its only not worth over the special dragon gear
better then toolkit

[viscid swift]

I would take it over a toolkit for most applications

it's the same healing as a toolbox just on longer rotation in affect

[lyric stump]

this still better

[barren tapir]

i thought it only heals once

[viscid swift]

which for most applications I doubt the difference will be noticable

oh yeah it does

[stark quiver]

do you guys farm d3 for toolkits

[viscid swift]

well at that point I wouldn't bother

[barren tapir]

i have more toolkits than i'd ever realistically need and i keep getting more every event

[stark quiver]

i only have 200

[viscid swift]

you may as well run an Oxy Torp or Drone at that point

[barren tapir]

**if u have it

[viscid swift]

why do you need that many toolboxes

[barren tapir]

flex

[stark quiver]

~~i like my toolkits ~~

[viscid swift]

I mean you should accumulate more than enough over time

[stone sluice]

If I quit a guild, do I lose my 20 dock space?

[whole crypt]

I usually just do oxytorp+seal nowadays if it doesn't need 2 hp

[viscid swift]

no

[sharp socket]

i only have like 20 toolboxes

[wind hazel]

wait, can you get more dock spaces if you're a guild hopper?

[soft raft]

No

[viscid swift]

no

[wind hazel]

wasted

[viscid swift]

I've also probably scrapped a fair few

these days though I don't actually use toolboxes that often

[lyric stump]

wut does 234/237 mean

[viscid swift]

offensive auxes usually plus a rudder on cruisers

only really gets used on DDs these days

[turbid marsh]

huajia retrofit improvesa lot. actually has a gold cv damage?

[whole crypt]

you keep tech level you bought, if you join a new guild you can only buy more if new guild level is higher