gameplay-help

[cobalt rapids]

on the flipside just saying uvh good might be misleading new players into investing into her when they may ( most likely ) have higher prios for UR bulins

[viscid swift]

you also can't really compare UR BBs to SR BBs anyway for the simple reason that the URs are so much more resource gated to max

of course all the UR BBs are gonna be better than the SRs so it makes a lot more sense given the usual limitations to almost compare them in vacums

[bold cove]

SR BB more easier access for new player tho, save bulins for news UR or Rerun mordern UR

[mellow cape]

I'm really hoping they increase UR bulin income if this year is going to have double URs for every new event coming

[cobalt rapids]

i doubt every event is going to be a double UR
but rn the bulin income allows for 8 URs mlb per year
meaning even if it does happen its enough
catching up is rough but u can consider rerun milestones to be catching up on bulins
nevertheless its slow

[undone plover]

Cruise pass needs 5 weeks for non f2p right?

[odd cedar]

which pr/dr ships are a priority

[cobalt rapids]

fdg anchorage

[worldly pewter]

in my personal experience uvh was carrying the account until alsace event
her combo with fdg is kinda cracked especially in opsi

[cobalt rapids]

pretty much any UR will be carrying ur early game if u can mlb em
its all about opportunity cost

[stuck stirrup]

What sort of team do I need to be running for Taihou META? I'm having trouble getting a consistant 2hko, i think because my main fleet damage keeps whiffing on all the mobs

[cobalt rapids]

i use this
needs close to max rld tech on backline and oaths
kills on 1 scan

[viscid swift]

the comp needed oaths and minimum 36 CV reload?

[cobalt rapids]

idr but idk if 36 rld is enough
mine barely makes it to 4th with 40

[viscid swift]

okay yeah no way I'm gonna be able to replicate that then

[cobalt egret]

And it's still using fast planes and homing beacons

[rigid onyx]

isn't there something about low framerate making fleets close to 4 strike fail

[cobalt rapids]

maybe but i dont have low framerate

[worldly pewter]

low framerate makes u suffer in w15 that is for sure

[odd cedar]

22 more hvar 😂

[kind slate]

How many of the event d3 plane do I want?

[soft raft]

as many as you can

[kind slate]

So it’s worth dumping all oil into event?

[soft raft]

Yee
you should be farming D3 during a event anyways since it has the most # of pts per run

[paper ridge]

Hello friends ! I think I got ok luck on the first 20 pulls with tickets, I got all the event ships. Now I got a question, is a fleet with yorki 2, saratoga and enty imaginable ? or do you need a bb

[cobalt rapids]

ull want a bb for pushing campaign
unless ure in w12 or 13 mob

[tame jungle]

not for campaign, could work ok-ish on opsi boss

[paper ridge]

and so I'm wondering at how to split my two fleets

I'll make screenshots it's better, you can tell me

[polar raft]

How can I put Z52’s mask on?

[barren barn]

Hi is it normal that i have to skip story for every D3 run in event

[slender turtle]

What is yall’s average oil cost of 3x sortie on D3 with a logistics on?

[stark quiver]

940

[slender turtle]

Damn, i wish i had leveled more purple/blue ships, i can only really get mine to be like 1080-1100

[barren tapir]

1050-1150 iunno

[gleaming saddle]

what tips you guys got to farm exp for researching?

[stark quiver]

theres no blue/purps involved
just cvl + ddg

[barren barn]

Hel

[barren tapir]

ddg purp cost

[stark quiver]

triple faction ships for whatever u need to farm
then head to 12-1/12-4/event

[slender turtle]

Do you have them just all enemies role and have the other fleet just be cross fleet, supp?

[stark quiver]

all enemies

[gleaming saddle]

any ideal node, my iron blood backline is aaa outside of zwei

[barren tapir]

also the difference is because older players can 1:1 boss on 0 ammo

newer players find that much more difficult so our cost is higher

[stark quiver]

farm d3 of events?

[gleaming saddle]

oh... Is that legit the best strat?

[stark quiver]

12-1/12-4/event

[slender turtle]

Hmm that got me down to 980 with just ark/kasumi meta, thanks!

[gleaming saddle]

is exp per fight always preset, so less ships = more exp?

[stark quiver]

beware the S ranks are preferred for boss

[stark quiver]

just run a full fleet
for example, grinding for anchorage, you wanna use 3 USS vanguard ships because thatll maximize xp gains

[barren tapir]

dont meta ships cost extra oil

[cobalt egret]

Pretty sure meta shjps always cost their full level MLB oil at all limit breaks

[barren tapir]

less ships = less exp

[barren tapir]

i thought they also cost more like prs do

[gleaming saddle]

oh I see, I was wondering if I could run 1 frontline and the faction ships at 3 to save oil and minimize exp sharing

[stark quiver]

dont

[barren tapir]

oh, that's what you mean. due to oilcap that doesnt give you any bonus over full fleet. thats what ppl did back in like 2020 before oilcap tho

[slender turtle]

They wont die, kasumi is 125 and ark is 123, and got a shit ton of cross fleet supp from 2nd fleet

[stark quiver]

the one frontline will probably die
and xp is per ship
with bonuses from S ranks, mvp and morale

[barren tapir]

more important to clear before 1:00

but if u have good gear and crossfleet itll work

[paper ridge]

is it worth engaging a second fleet with just cross fleet support, does it cost additional oil ? I got shima and duisburg for example, and I'm wondering if richy don't do a similar thing ?

[gleaming saddle]

ty

[rigid onyx]

what armor type is the EX

[slender turtle]

Yeah they all kitted out and my crossfleet is perseus/indep/z52/shima/mushashi

[boreal wagon]

max cost also doesnt change for prs and drs it just feels that way due to cost scaling with levels

[cobalt egret]

Aside from the 10 oil to start a mission, oil is only subtracted when a fleet participates in a battle mid sortie, you call submarines to attack, or try to relocate the center tile for your submarines hunting range

[barren tapir]

no not that i mean a gold pr costs 1 more oil at max than a regular gold

neptune costs 12, momo costs 11

[barren barn]

How skip story automaticaly

[barren tapir]

run d3 enough and story stops

[boreal wagon]

i mean oil cost is slightly more complicated than that anyway but yes

[barren tapir]

well im comparing both at lvl125

[stark quiver]

prolly a setting in options tab
go to settings

[paper ridge]

ok so cross fleet stuff is a little comfort

[barren tapir]

anyway i thought meta ships have that same higher cost but idk

[boreal wagon]

the problem is that exceptions exist because every ship can technically have their own cost is what i meant

but yes in a generalised way you are correct

[stark quiver]

hold up im stupid lol

[paper ridge]

I'm so dumb I had never realized it and entered missions with only one fleet

[slender turtle]

That light be true, but its better than me using mlb shima or z52, which are the other dd options atm lol

[barren tapir]

oh, i see. yeah i remember there being some exceptions like amagi bc costing +1 and stuff, but i meant as a general rule

[cobalt egret]

You can have a low cost fleet, and then stack your full UR cross fleet supports in fleet 2. As long as fleet 1 is the battling fleet, you'll only see their cost. You can see this when you set the auto battle repeat sortie option, it estimates the oil cost assuming the bare minimum enemy escort fleet battles accounting for which fleet attacks escorts and which fleet attacks the boss

[boreal wagon]

meta ships generally cost +1 from the general rule

[cobalt egret]

It does not account for submarine calls

On particularly small maps with cramped movement it also doesn't account for the possibility of a team being forced to take on more escorts than the minimum to summon the boss fleet in order to reach the boss

[boreal wagon]

also amagi has normal UR cost, exceptions are usually only on older ships or collabs (and obviously PRs/DRs/META)

unless u mean SR amagi

[paper ridge]

so i can make a crossfleet with yorki 2 shima duisburg and fusou meta yay

that's great help to reduce cost a bit

[paper ridge]

Another question, I dropped san francisco, what role is she best used for (current tank is portlant, only have tallin to replace her later)

[atomic abyss]

San Fran is a jack of all trades master of none

[paper ridge]

so I shouldn't use it ?

[atomic abyss]

If you lack the better options
She's a very viable choice

She tanks about as well as port but does more
She won't tank as well as say anchorage ofc

[paper ridge]

ok, and if I get a better tank I can still use it in other positions right

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[gleaming saddle]

does having leveled and geared subs make a big diff?

[atomic abyss]

Eventually, yes

Good use of subs can give your fleet much needed leeway against difficult content

[turbid marsh]

not a huge difference, but it can get through a lot of tough situations in w14/15 when you have 0 ammo

[stark quiver]

in my experience, around 20 bars of hp on zuihou boss in w15-3

[atomic abyss]

Allows you to afford a little more flexibility with gear/team

[slender turtle]

Wait sorry why is it important to kill boss under 1 minute?

[sweet delta]

Subs can fight harbiter 4 times in one entry, so if they do 5% per battle then that's 20% free damage

[stark quiver]

for d3? cuz youll get A rank and thats no bueno

[atomic abyss]

It's 2 minutes to lose S clear

[slender turtle]

Its 120 seconds

[sweet delta]

Under 2 minutes, before the timer drops below 1:00

[stark quiver]

yea

[slender turtle]

Ohhhhhh i see gotcha

[atomic abyss]

The reason why you want to kill boss faster
Is because you will end up taking more damage

Especially for plane spammy bosses
Taking too long may mean your backline keks itself

[slender turtle]

There was just confusion on my end by what he meant by under 1:00

We all good now, thanks!

[fervent niche]

whats the new pr7 dual gun for mushi called? the twin 410mm mod.a? its daisens gun or whoever but mushi wants it

[stark quiver]

Twin 410mm (Mod.A Prototype)

[fervent niche]

good finally I can go back down to pr5 research focus

[paper ridge]

Is btd-1 destroyer any good ? I see double 1600 bomb

[worldly pewter]

it looks like they do cost more
ark costs 12 and meta ark costs 14

[boreal wagon]

yes +1 for being a rarity higher and +1 for being meta

[sweet delta]

Worse than purple helldiver with 2000lb and 2x500lb

[paper ridge]

ok

well thanks for the answers, I'm off, g'night

[dreamy blade]

Is there an estimate for the hvar drop rate? Like how many points/oil spent per 25 prints

[stoic basalt]

how do people manage to farm like 6 hvar-mounted per event? I just exhausted two different fleets for an entire 4 parts 😭 At this rate it's gonna take the entire event to get just a single one

[atomic abyss]

Because in the previous run
The drop rates were bugged to be 3x higher

[barren barn]

What's ships upgrade order?

[novel solstice]

Some people get lucky, some don't. RNG is being RNG.
Also you get some from the shop and milestones, and people who were here last time had a bug in the drop rate that gave out more of them.

[barren barn]

I'm getting fdg from research

[atomic abyss]

Depends on the number of UR bulins you have

[barren barn]

3

[stoic basalt]

Yeah it might be over for me then, thanks tho

[turbid marsh]

guam or z52, probably

[atomic abyss]

Then come back and ask when you have 4
Most likely Guam or Unzen
I'd save for Feb/Mar UR tho

[dreamy blade]

Uh idk that seems pretty good to me since Im at 16k points milestone and have gotten 3 prints

[barren barn]

I've been told Ulrich first

[atomic abyss]

Absolutely not

[turbid marsh]

nononono

[dreamy blade]

Absolutely not

[barren barn]

Those are my teams

[stoic basalt]

unfortunately that number includes the ones I got from the milestones as well, so I think I only got 1 or 2 💀

[atomic abyss]

And those backliners are very good already

Ulrich would actually make things worse not better

[viscid swift]

well for one running low cost fleets to save oil and be able to dorm multiple fleets to mitigate the issue of morale

[dreamy blade]

Owari doesn't do negative dmg when out of ammo so yes don't bother with uvh

[barren barn]

Which one then z52 orguam

[atomic abyss]

Rainbow doesn't automatically mean better than all non rainbows

Save

You don't have enough to MLB any of them to begin with

[dreamy blade]

Inb4 you partially lb Guam only for the Feb ur to powercreep her

[atomic abyss]

For all we know, the Feb-Mar UR is more important than any of them

Most likely Guam or Unzen tho
Guam to push high end campaign
Unzen for opsi/meta

[barren barn]

Then what

[turbid marsh]

isn't z52 better in meta than unzen? at least taihoum

[atomic abyss]

[turbid marsh]

z52 also pushes to high end campaign too. i would go for z52 but should wait for feb UR...

[atomic abyss]

Uh, you do realise Unzen is literally the best vanguard in the game for dealing with heavy armour...?

Why would z52 be more meta than Unzen for maihou?

[turbid marsh]

z52 rdps better though

[atomic abyss]

A high end Unzen would deal 300k+ easily

[turbid marsh]

im saying why choose between guam and unzen for two purpose if z52 can cover both?

[atomic abyss]

Because she doesn't

[stark quiver]

z52 cant lmao

[atomic abyss]

She can't AA as well as Guam
She can't DPS as well as Unzen

[stark quiver]

shes not nearly as good at healing heavy armor damage as unzen
she cant AA and tank as well as guam

[atomic abyss]

Z52 isn't the saviour of all mankind lol

[dreamy blade]

Picking a UR just for the current meta fight is also...

[turbid marsh]

oh no its going to be that conversation again and i have pull data. i ll stop right here.

[viscid swift]

what data exactly

[stark quiver]

theres no data

[atomic abyss]

If your z52 is pulling Unzen DPS numbers
Then the Unzen is having issues

Or you're facing light armour

[worldly pewter]

i think the helper might have meant that z52 is like something in between the 2 while unzen and guam are more specialized in a certain role

versatility angle

[turbid marsh]

thats what i meant

[storm heron]

people forgot z52 just buff the whole fleet so unzen (on average) vs z52 contribution is depends ™️

[stone sluice]

What low cost fleets are you using for D3?
I got zero hvar prints in the last 30 sorties

[left cedar]

Does this mean i have to upgrade my gear?

[viscid swift]

Unicorn and a DDG, some people are even using 0 LB Common CVL and a DDG

[atomic abyss]

No it means you use 2 fleets

[left cedar]

Ah okay ty

[stone sluice]

So that and a crossfleet, right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[stone sluice]

[atomic abyss]

And it's just not true enough

She isn't covering both niches well enough

[harsh cargo]

What are the top 5 BBs?

[stark quiver]

for?

[harsh cargo]

OpSi

[atomic abyss]

Soyuz, Alsace, Bis 2, Musashi, Vanguard

With the first 3 being the best currently

[harsh cargo]

Damn, Musashi still up there?

[atomic abyss]

She isn't the preferred option for bossing outside heavy armour anymore

[dreamy blade]

And bbs aren't the preferred option for heavy anyway

[harsh cargo]

When might we get a Bis 2 rerun?

[atomic abyss]

After CN UR anni event at earliest

[dreamy blade]

Mostly due to her IJN gun requirement locking her out of the good HE guns

[harsh cargo]

And I assume Alsace is NJ but better?

[stark quiver]

maybe this year

[atomic abyss]

Alsace is Richelieu/Flandre but (much) better

NJ isn't even in the discussion at this point

[hollow gust]

Z52 is Plymouth dps , unzen is alot better

[harsh cargo]

Is Friedrich in the discussion? 😭

[dreamy blade]

Next UR reruns due are implacable then biz2 iirc

[atomic abyss]

Friederich is not a bossing BB

She is gonna be better than non UR options as a bosser yes

But there are a shit ton of rainbow BBs so...

[harsh cargo]

How about the best bossing CVs?

[atomic abyss]

Depends on what armour type is your boss

[dreamy blade]

[atomic abyss]

Also depends on whether you need a freeze

[stark quiver]

amagi cv,implac/haku,shinano for heavy
kearsarge,yk2,enty/fritz/nakh/implac for light
soyuz,nakh,fritz for med

[atomic abyss]

To be clear, kears and soyuz are not carriers

That's just how the cookie crumbles

[hollow gust]

UR BBs relegating to support

[harsh cargo]

[soft raft]

We dont know when exactly, but wouldnt be surprised if it happens within the year sometime

[stark quiver]

those are the best standard bossing comps
unless you run some crazy fine tuned stuff

[dreamy blade]

Ranger

[storm heron]

like 4 strikes

[dreamy blade]

Is there anything special about the blucher event? Or just weird that it got skipped

[atomic abyss]

Just weird

[left cedar]

I cant get past C2, is there anything i can do to make it easier?

[worldly pewter]

[dreamy blade]

Level your ships and equipment

[rigid onyx]

hey guys here to share my 0.0196% completion rate maihou one shot

[stark quiver]

does rikka takarada prefer her event gear or a standard loadout

[atomic abyss]

Event gear + rudder/box

[dreamy blade]

Depending on what you're using, possibly changing the gear completely

[stark quiver]

thanks

[worldly pewter]

this should be a here my 99.8% fail rate comp

[dreamy blade]

Also what part are you having trouble with, mobbing or the boss?

[hollow gust]

Also

[harsh cargo]

Much confusion. Can I just send my shops and be told good opsi teams to build 😭

[cobalt rapids]

how much is 5% of the fleet dmg worth

[dreamy blade]

It looks like it is probably a gear issue since that fleet at that level shouldn't have an issue with c2

[left cedar]

Whats mobbing? The escort fleets?

[dreamy blade]

Anything before the boss yes

[left cedar]

Yea they do alot of dmg before i can reach the boss

[dreamy blade]

Retrofitting unicorn would help a ton

[left cedar]

I could send pics of the gear if u want

[spring bolt]

the game is very balanced now: 3 bbs best for light meta, mixed for med, 3 cvs for heavy

[dreamy blade]

I didn't notice she isn't retros yet but that is your #1 priority

[left cedar]

Not max retro but some

Gear help

[dreamy blade]

She gets a preload aistrike once you finish the modernization which means starting each fight with a heal and aoe dmg

[harsh cargo]

OpSi Team Help

[sweet delta]

assuming that was a 1.6m, 5% was 52k from main fleet alone, not even subtracting vanguard AA or considering the buff to Unzen and Kazagumo

[cobalt rapids]

thanks

[shell willow]

so that 5% is a final multiplier and isnt additive with any other dmg% buff?

[cobalt rapids]

my guess its injureratio but idk

[rigid onyx]

are there any good utility PRs in pr7

[stark quiver]

not rly
bayard prolly the best out of the prs

daisen is about as average as the average gold bb
halford is a hot mess right now

[sweet delta]

Daisen is "healer" gold BB, Bayard is all DPS no utility, halford is halford

[void garnet]

Is Fritz Rumey worth mlb?

[stark quiver]

yea
but is she your biggest prio?

[void garnet]

I only have her, Z52, shinano, and ulrich

[trim sparrow]

Sup guys. What kind of gear set up does fritz want?

[forest palm]

for like leveling?

[trim sparrow]

Yea just gonna use her to farm points for the event

[stuck stirrup]

i use her with rockets and the CL6 gun, personally

[forest palm]

if that's the case throw like a BFG/HVR + Spearfish

[trim sparrow]

Haha the spearfish is what im farming points for. I missed it last event

[forest palm]

Spearfish is the other UR TB

[keen sable]

Spearfish is a torpedo rocket bomber

[trim sparrow]

Ohh

Yea dont got that one either

[forest palm]

flap, and wyvern is simple enough

[trim sparrow]

Copy that, thanks

[forest palm]

[orchid bison]

if i'm playing the event for the first time during its rerun, how hard of a time am i going to have getting the shop stuff?

[stark quiver]

not a hard time

[sweet delta]

Not harder than new events

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur account progress

[forest palm]

shouldn't be too bad there's sort of a shop guide in the pins

[cobalt rapids]

which u should skip the prio #1 straight to #2 unless ure a real big fan of hornet II

[viscid swift]

yeah I was about to say

Hornet 2 should really be the bottom of the "priorities"

[forest palm]

doesn't Sam italicize a paragraph for new players?

[sweet delta]

Same with basically every event with unique gear

[stark quiver]

i farmed 7 already

[forest palm]

you don't even outright buy the shop ship till post main event

[cobalt rapids]

yea but its still misleading to put her at #1

[stark quiver]

buy i mean
ship collector gacha game, so kinda makes sense?

[stuck stirrup]

is York II priority over all the permanent URs for bulins

[reef flume]

Shinano is more important imo

[cobalt rapids]

ure making an assumption no matter what
whether thats for collectors or for efficiency
but if someone is a collector and they really like hornet 2 i would assume they are gonna get her no matter where u put her in priorities

[shell willow]

you shouldnt use bulin on any perm UR (unless you have a lot and it doesnt matter)

[sweet delta]

Would you rather get one of the best gears in the game that may not come back for 2 years, or a worsethanenterprise ship who will be farmable with pity in a year?

[storm heron]

as a gph I would be maximizing meta over collection

[stuck stirrup]

i'm sitting on like 8 UR bulins, i got real lucky with pulls last event so I didn't end up using any, my only URs that aren't MLB are York II and Shinano still at default LB, and I don't have any of the other perma URs, should i throw some to Shinano or just throw them to York II or keep holding them for the future

[slender pond]

Use them, you can buy them on the shop

[cobalt rapids]

i would pick the one that is more helpful to me in the near future
nano can also be mlbed with pity dupes so theres that
but if u have the other 2 ijn CV URs invested then its coin toss between her and york2

[barren barn]

I have a full lb yorktown2 but i got a 2nd one from free tickets what should i do to her

[cobalt rapids]

trophy or retire

[barren barn]

What s trophy

[keen sable]

Its ok to MLB shinano. Still plenty of perm ur to exchange

[cobalt rapids]

-1 dockspace doing nothing

[rigid onyx]

you can mlb both if you're confident you'll stay up to date with UR Bulins as you get 2/month + UR event bulins. If the next UR event has a shop UR you'll be behind for a bit though

If you dont have kear built i'd hold out on yorkii personally

[barren tapir]

tbf i think the priorities are written with the average player in mind (aka someone who wants to collect ships) which from that perspective it makes sense to rate a new shipgirl over a piece of gear

us gph nerds are really the vast minority of player

[stuck stirrup]

i have Amagi fully built up but I haven't gotten Haku or kear yet, thinking maybe i should go for Amagi + Shinano + Haku, and hold off on York II + Kear (who I don't have either) for now, and use the perma pulls for one of the other perma URs

[cobalt rapids]

will some1 who collects ships care about a priority list in shop ?

[barren barn]

What should i change

Should i show purple planes?

[barren tapir]

they might, if they're in here looking on advice about the game in general

[sweet delta]

I would recommend a player who wants to collect ships, to get the gear that will help them progress towards new orleans and housii through opsi gear lab and +13

[barren tapir]

im not opposed to adding an addendum next to the shop ship of "#1. One copy of Hornet II (if you prioritize ship collection)"

or whatever the pin says plus what i added

[cobalt rapids]

im saying if they wanna collect the ship will they change their mind because she is rated lower on an arbitrary list ?

[keen sable]

Doesn't ecgc have a discord

[cobalt rapids]

the pins has nothing to do with ecgc tho

[barren tapir]

they might, a lot of people are followers of authority

[barren barn]

Need help

[turbid marsh]

probably skyraider but i feel like you should grind more opsi so that you can craft something in gearlab

[keen sable]

Ok what pin are y'all referring to

[stuck stirrup]

if you're able to run D3, with the way stuff is dropping there, i feel like you'll end up with 3 HornII's by the time you get 8,000 shop points anyway

[barren tapir]

it does mention if you didnt get her...so ppl will buy at end of event anyway

[barren barn]

I shoudn't use Hellcat?

[barren tapir]

maybe i overestimate people's intelligence

[cobalt rapids]

not only that doesnt necessarily hold but it also puts hornii > skyraider if u end event at 10k pts

[barren tapir]

at that point just put them both at #1 and mention collection vs efficiency/meta

[turbid marsh]

yeah hell cat is pretty good. what are you using york2 for? mob? boss?

[keen sable]

Ugh discord mobile being ass and not showing whole pin

[barren barn]

Boss

[cobalt rapids]

put her below hvar prints ( if they would otherwise help you complete 1 hvar and you have farmed < 3 ) aswell and we have a deal

[dreamy blade]

Is it better to craft the twin 457 from gear lab or buy it with protocore?

[cobalt rapids]

if ure rich in protocores its better to buy

[dreamy blade]

Well im not exactly rich but I have most of the other prio items from there

2 champs, 3 bfg, 1 tenrai, 1 ply gun

[cobalt rapids]

sounds fine to buy then

[dreamy blade]

Dunno if 3rd champy is better than the 457

[orchid bison]

what is the main source of the construction permits that the rerun event has?

[cobalt rapids]

situationally better
they arent direct upgrades/replacements

[dreamy blade]

Missions and a few in milestone

[stark quiver]

dailies
milestones
logins
shop

[dreamy blade]

I just mean value wise for spending protocore not the gun itself

[worldly pewter]

value wise is the gun

[cobalt rapids]

457 is just rly great for campaign due to its dmg and uptime
otherwise champy might be preferable
ofc theres bossing setups that could be slightly stronger by utilizing 457s if certain timing but 457 is also 3x the gold plate cost of a gold gun

[forest palm]

457 comes out to world 14, and 15 use case, and 120 tech grinding (till you run out of BB to actually grind), and Ops Mob I guess...

[dreamy blade]

Yeah i didnt find it necessary since until now I've been running 3cv for mob but I just got to w14

[cobalt rapids]

i mean value of spending cores on it is decided by the value of what the guns bring to the table
either way i would get the 457
the 3rd 20s ap gun can wait till u gearlab it for less resources than 457 or till u get a flandre gun from s6 for a flexible timing sidegrade

[void garnet]

Should I buy Homing Beacon or Black Shell from core monthly store?

[cobalt rapids]

cv timing aux after u get indep and 3 white shells + 2 blackshells

[dreamy blade]

Black shell unless you already have 3, homing only if you calcd timing and need it for that

[void garnet]

oh is it bad for auto?

[dreamy blade]

If you're not using it for timing adjustment it's worse than a gold catapult yes

[turbid marsh]

then probably either hvar/bf109 + skyraider + whatever. if too slow then raise an enterprise for skyraider

[keen sable]

The torp bomber is just bad but you don't have a choice so...

[warm trail]

any stage in war achive for lvling ships?

[atomic abyss]

Why are you doing war archives when an event is running

[turbid marsh]

why war achieve for lvling ship?

[keen sable]

D3 but hey look you can do d3 with rewards right now!

[turbid marsh]

generally i would go campaign for leveling ships but hey

[warm trail]

lvl req on d3 is 100, mine is 97 average lmao

[barren tapir]

campaign should be better if they cant reach oilcap stages in event

[dreamy blade]

D1 and d2 have oil cap as well

[barren tapir]

why not do event d1 tho

[warm trail]

ight

[keen sable]

D1 is one way. Depending on why level is low you can try a reduced cost fleet

[worldly pewter]

can u clearify more the question ?

[cobalt gate]

does the 20% exp gain for event ships work in opsi?

[weary gust]

I believe it does.

20% on top of marginal is still marginal though.

[cobalt gate]

i mean i'll take it since i still need to bring them to 120

[weary gust]

If you're trying to 120 them opsi is going to take forever. Just use them in the actual stages you are grinding/throw in dorm/use exp books.

[cobalt gate]

oh i am, just taking them to opsi as well

[warm trail]

a what? how

[silk sphinx]

if you play opsi a lot, you can still 120 a couple ships just through opsi mob, kind of a pain though

[weary gust]

The level req is an average of all the ships you are using. If your ships were say, level 105 100 100 105 95 94, you could get above 100 avg by dropping the 94 from the fleet.

[tropic parcel]

does the z52 damage debuff overwrite radar scan?

[silk sphinx]

i don't know of any debuffs that overwrite others'...

[weary gust]

It shouldn't, disimilar buffs/debuffs always stack, only same skills will overwrite.

[warm trail]

ah why yes, that would reduce the other req such as AVI etc

[silk sphinx]

they should just stack

[weary gust]

Like he said, depending on why.

[warm trail]

ill try

[silk sphinx]

i'm guessing CN event right after this rerun?

you never get copies

[weary gust]

I think it was unclear whether you mean buying multiple copies of ships or multiple copies of gear for the ships. You said ships, in which case no, raising duplicate ships is never guaranteed recommended (my brain is dead). For gear it depends.

[worldly pewter]

u mentioned gear then in the second part u said ships
and copies which is kinda confusing and partially wrong

[silk sphinx]

bulins are what you to make up for limit breaks

core data income is too slow and ships are too costly

the only exception is like medal shop where at some point your medal income might be high enough you can always buy copies if they show up

ah and guild shop

[weary gust]

and merit.

[silk sphinx]

merit bulins are cheaper

you don't buy ship copies you just buy bulins

[weary gust]

For the SR ones yeah, for the elites is it?

[storm heron]

are UR bulins even protocore? it's specialized core right? their questions are kinda ambiguous ngl

[silk sphinx]

pretty sure both rarities ships are more expensive

yep

lots of stuff where core is in the name, admittedly not the best naming scheme

[rigid onyx]

coredata, protocore, specialized core, anything else?

[weary gust]

probably some event currencies.

[bright tusk]

What is currently the best rocket fleet against light boss? Yorktown II, kearsarge, who's the rest (including vanguard)?

[sweet delta]

Implac if the boss moves more than a little

[stark quiver]

temperence?

[fleet cobalt]

What gear should i grind for as a newbie?

[nocturne glade]

is anchorage's fate sinulation worth it?

[undone plover]

dont grind any gear from maps
main sources of end game gear are research, operation siren and coreshop/protocore shop and events
for early on the stuff u get from tech boxes is enough

[undone plover]

yes but between her and AvP, AvP needs her FS5 more
unless u have another stop/slow CV already

[nocturne glade]

i have formidable atm

[undone plover]

formi is not reliable
ark royal can work sometimes but best get AvP if u are missing implacable

[bold stream]

Hello all. between tenrai and skyraider UR which is better for normal maps?

[undone plover]

tenrai

[nocturne glade]

gotcha, have to start construction for avp anyways

[undone plover]

use catchup on AvP
and use coin on anchorage to get her to FS5

buy 10 BP/day for her

[nimble knoll]

What does Vowing Do?

[dreamy blade]

is it a bad idea that i didnt start avp bc i was planning on waiting for implac rerun

like if you have implac is there ever a reason to use avp instead

[dreamy blade]

increases affection cap, increases all stats slightly, unlocks oath skin (if they have one)

[rigid onyx]

no real reason to use avp over implac yeah. It would only be 'incorrect' if it prevented you from clearing content in the meantime

[nimble knoll]

So I should vow with my laffey?

[dreamy blade]

research is just such a slog i dont mind whiffing torps for a couple more months so i can dev the other ships

[dreamy blade]

as f2p you can oath whoever you like, i recommend choosing based on the oath skin

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Oath_Skins

[rigid onyx]

imo oath for character designs you like over gameplay

however, if you are oathing for gameplay you should focus a lot more on main fleet ships over vanguard sihps

[worldly pewter]

do u have an idea when implacable will rerun ?

[nimble knoll]

I'm still new so, I don't have many ships, And Laffey is the only one that I can Vow to rn

[dreamy blade]

her event is chronologically the next UR due for a rerun after yk2

[rigid onyx]

kron reran in april last year

[dreamy blade]

no rush if youre not particularly attached to her, those newcomer missions arent going anywhere

[rigid onyx]

you dont get nearly enough oath rings to do it to every ship you can (unless you swipe)

[nimble knoll]

Ooh

[dreamy blade]

f2p only gets 1-2 rings per year

[nimble knoll]

Well mi is f2p so I'll probably save

[rigid onyx]

the game's gacha is hyper generous so they monetize through skins, dock space, and oath rings mostly

[nimble knoll]

Owh

[worldly pewter]

raise unicorn and use the ring on her

[rigid onyx]

you can easily get every ship f2p as long as you dont roll the perma banner other than a singular daily light pull

[nimble knoll]

Also should I save my gems?

[rigid onyx]

/gems

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Gem Spending 101

Gems in Azur Lane are fairly rare from an F2P perspective. However, the gacha in Azur lane does not require gems and their main usage is expansion of facilities like dorm, academy, docks and depot, as well as buying resources, resource packs, premium items (rings and name change), and skins.

As an F2P, you can get up to 4700 guaranteed gems (3750 for 3* clearing all 15 main campaign worlds, 800 for completing Bands collection and 150 for 8 days login campaign), not counting random gems from commissions or occasional bonuses from events or other sources.

Considering limited availability of gems for F2P players, even if spent exclusively on QoL upgrades, it is impossible to upgrade everything.

This is the recommended way to spend gems as an F2P:

• 3rd Dorm slot (300 gems)
• Dorm 2nd floor (500 gems)
• Dock space (remaining gems)

The main purpose of the dorm is for faster morale regen while grinding. Using ships with 0 morale will receive a 50% exp penalty and lose affinity.

The 2nd floor of the dorm will have the same number of slots as the 1st floor. While it lacks passive exp gain, it has faster morale regen. 3 dorm slots with the 2nd floor gives you a total of 6 slots, which is enough for your whole mob fleet.

Dock space is the biggest constraint for players. While this can help casual players collect all their waifus, there is also practical use in collecting ships - for later levelling to get their fleet tech on reaching lvl 120. These are important for players as they provide crucial additional stats that help players to tackle the hardest content (W14/15, H.Arbiters, CM).

Alternatively, players may consider getting the 3rd Academy slot for faster skill training or more dorm slots instead of just dock space (not recommended).

While players may opt to buy skins/rings with the F2P gems, this will come at the cost of QoL. It is recommended to only buy those with real money 💳.

[nimble knoll]

Trying

[rigid onyx]

if you dont allot the majority of your f2p gems for dock space you'll eventually have to swipe

[worldly pewter]

get red ignore the rest for now

[nimble knoll]

I see

[nimble knoll]

I already used 600 for 22 cubes-

[dreamy blade]

or deal with the hassle of retiring ships that you've spent time and resources raising to 120 just for dock space

[rigid onyx]

yeah thats pretty bad

[nimble knoll]

I'm dum

[rigid onyx]

how old is your acc

[nimble knoll]

4 days old

[dreamy blade]

ngl i would consider restarting if it's only 4 days

600 gems is a pretty decent chunk of the limited guaranteed free gems you get

[nimble knoll]

Is dock space that important?

[rigid onyx]

/guide

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[rigid onyx]

basically yeah

[dreamy blade]

there are over 400+ ships in the game and the way the game is designed you eventually want to collect them all so yes, and other uses of gems dont affect gameplay besides the dorm slots

[nimble knoll]

I'm sure I'll be fineee, Im not much of a collector anyways

[rigid onyx]

spending 13% of your free gems on like a half weeks worth of cubes is a medium-sized issue

[viscid swift]

famous last words

[nimble knoll]

I was stupid as heck-

I should've joined the server sooner, smh

[dreamy blade]

like i said even if youre not a collector thats just how the game is clearing stages, doing events, daily build, guild/medal/merit shops, etc etc all give you ships that will fill up your dock quickly

wait how are people even doing 1:1/lowoil fleets in d3 with the hull requirements

[viscid swift]

you only need to fill one main fleet and one vanguard hull type requirement

[dreamy blade]

i did not know that

[nimble knoll]

Should I but tickets with the flowers of remembrance?

[dreamy blade]

yes

which crossfleet is better between fritz and amagi?

[nimble knoll]

Should I buy medals with commission merits?

[dreamy blade]

only if youve already bought the cubes

[stone sluice]

For D3, if I use Tai Yuan, is it better to use Mogador gun or the 100mm kai?

[weary gust]

If you're active you'll get more than enough to buy out the whole commision shop.

[trim path]

first hvar at 51.8k event points... i'm just unlucky, right? the rates can't possibly be this bad.

[soft raft]

that's normal event rates for you

[nimble knoll]

How can ya get a lot of commission merits again?

[stark quiver]

do commisions

[weary gust]

Haven't been keeping track of hvar print drop rate, between event milestones and shop and leftover from initial event run no idea how many I have gotten this time around.

[dreamy blade]

just do commissions/have them running as often as you can

[soft raft]

the rates are definetly not as good as back when it intially ran
which is to say it's no longer bugged

[dreamy blade]

that is unlucky but not unheard of

[stark quiver]

im also suffering from rates
unfortunate life

[nimble knoll]

Okei

[dreamy blade]

this reminds me of when i was trying to farm the gold cannons during the tempesta event except the gear actually matters this time

[nimble knoll]

Should I do the 1 hour commissions or the longer ones?

[weary gust]

All the comms give the same amount of tickets per time they take. It does not matter. Pick the best comms.

[dreamy blade]

the merits are based on the time so if youre not going to check the game after an hour then pick the longer one (dont take the one that costs 1200 oil)

[soft raft]

as long as you dont do the one that costs 1.2k oil

[nimble knoll]

How about the 800 one-

[rigid onyx]

what

[dreamy blade]

the most oil you should ever spend on a commission is 25 from the urgent tab

[rigid onyx]

oh

[dreamy blade]

that 800 oil one is probably the 1200 oil but scaled down to your level?

[nimble knoll]

[rigid onyx]

yeah the 800 oil one is even worse than the 1200 one

[nimble knoll]

How can you get more commission Slots? (the fleets)

[soft raft]

you dont

you also have like 2 whole ass months for this comission event

[weary gust]

and it only takes like 2/3 of one to buy out the shop.

[keen comet]

Guys, I have a question: is Zara as good as Tank?

[weary gust]

She's meh.

[soft raft]

Painfully average, dont bother for any pratical purposes

[weary gust]

Not worth investing in early, not worth building later, not good tech (I assume).

[soft raft]

Her main value is CA FP tech

[nimble knoll]

Should I save up medals so I can buy an SR BB?

[soft raft]

Yes
Get Hood ASAP

[weary gust]

CA FP tech low priority. Drop in the bucket, sure a bit more is nice but won't make much of a difference.

[nimble knoll]

Aight

[dreamy blade]

i cant even think of any strong CA gunboats off the top of my head ngl those are usually CB/CL

[weary gust]

San Fran, there's a few others. Drake

Roon now, apparently.

[viscid swift]

Hindenburg, Unzen

[turbid marsh]

Unzen technically counts I believe, she both torp and gun. Sanrui

[rigid onyx]

who are top 3 for c15 support fleet? implac fritz indompt?

[barren tapir]

implac is several months away

[dreamy blade]

illustrious is up there iirc

[barren tapir]

also avp a cutie but you can wait it's fine cos it's just for meta/harby flexing innit

[nimble knoll]

Is This All Good?

[barren tapir]

also nakh iirc

[dreamy blade]

ok but ply is cuter

[barren tapir]

the 3 lustys are good too but lower than those UR and indomie iirc

[soft raft]

Could be better
Give this a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[weary gust]

Stops are never absolutely needed for anything except consistency ... you can always quit/rerun if you get bad launches without them, and META fights you can fight as many times as you need to clear them.

[barren tapir]

i have both

ply almost d30 probably a week or less

[keen sable]

the daily coms are all high priority as they give the bulk of your possible com resources

[barren tapir]

gems > cube > cogchips > oil > other

[dreamy blade]

oil > cogchips especially for a new player

[barren tapir]

oh for a new player yes. but for midgame and beyond definitely not

[dreamy blade]

well doesnt matter since you need lv100 ships to even get those comms

[weary gust]

Debateable. You'll run out of cog chips even if you focus on them early, so long game strat would still be to go for cog chips.

[barren tapir]

you make much more cogchips from comm by potentially saccing oil comm than you do by using oil to farm chips

[lament ledge]

Is hornet II worth it to grind for

[barren tapir]

nah there's universal cog things like frontier def patrol and so on. those are what im referring to

[keen sable]

it's friday time for helena

and you didn't actually use birmingham...

[dreamy blade]

no but the hvars in d3 are so you will probably end up getting her

[weary gust]

Those SR ships are good (except Hermione) but you won't have the bulins to use all of them.

[barren tapir]

didnt they already show us their fleet/dock earlier today after reset?

[tulip belfry]

For old meta ships (Nagato) how i can get crystals?

[soft raft]

She's pretty decent for a SR CV
later on she's worth it for +2 AVI tech

[barren tapir]

for opsi meta showdown ships wait for dossier

[soft raft]

For older showdown METAs, you will have to wait until they are added to the dossier tab before you can grind their points again

[dreamy blade]

for old meta showdown ships like nagato you have to wait for them to be added to the dossier like algerie was recently (next is jintsuum)

[barren tapir]

hornet is quite good for a gold, especially against light armor. she isnt super special or anything but she is a solid ship

[dreamy blade]

also +2 avi tech

[barren tapir]

base hornet better tech

[dreamy blade]

base yorktown is also better tech than yk2

[pseudo hearth]

Isn’t Yk2 just a straight upgrade there though?

I remember hearing before that Yk2 does just as good against light

[dreamy blade]

well yes but thats UR vs SR for you

[pseudo hearth]

True, but kind of sad. Hornet quite literally stood no chance.

[dreamy blade]

well the gold cvs still have their place, it's not like bbs where theres literally no reason to use golds over rainbows (unless it's warpspite)

[barren tapir]

yeah but yk2 takes UR bulins and you also have 3 main fleet slots

[pseudo hearth]

True, but I could probably do much better against Light Armor without Hornet ironically

[nimble knoll]

How to increase affinity of ships?

[stark quiver]

dorm
sometimes theres hot spring from events
use as secreatary
fight with them

[pseudo hearth]

Fighting with them is the main way though, and gets affinity the quickest

[sinful escarp]

also stop using them when they show a red sad face. using them at that state will lower affinity

[blissful hamlet]

CNY event usually use the light pool right?

[nimble knoll]

Ty

[viscid swift]

yes

[blissful hamlet]

time to get janus

[viscid swift]

good luck, your chances will be low

[blissful hamlet]

janus is worth all the cubes

[lucid hamlet]

does mvp give more affinity to that ship

[dreamy blade]

CNY event is wishing well? or is that something else

[queen jackal]

for anyone running d3 without low costing how many prints have u gotten to total points?

[elfin hollow]

Isn't wishing well in anniversary event!

[dreamy blade]

i am at 18k points and have gotten 3

[viscid swift]

I'm at 33k and 17 prints

[queen jackal]

hmm, im 16k at 10 prints

[dreamy blade]

without low costing?

[viscid swift]

yeah that's luck

[bright tusk]

what is currently the best CV fleet for heavy armor boss?

[south sequoia]

amagi(cv)/shinano/implacable if slow needed
amagi(cv)/shinano/hakuryuu if slow not needed

[stone sluice]

33k points and 21 prints

[dreamy blade]

then for vg it would be sirius kazagumo unzen?

[nimble knoll]

Should I try and 3star all the maps I have?

[elfin thunder]

20k points and 3 prints, feels like im wasting my time, wont even get a second plane by the end of the event

[shell willow]

prioritize event until you got all the good stuff

[muted mason]

For Implacable, after recent stuff, should I still keep her with 2 ryusei converging torpedoes or change it?

[bright tusk]

how about the vanguard?
if i use hakuryu, is there any good vanguard to slow enemy?

[dreamy blade]

eldridge has a slow but it's not as good as implac's freeze

[muted mason]

Air Raid buff def is a must for CV fleet
No good reliable vanguard slows tho

[weary gust]

There are no vanguards with good reliable slows strong enough to be effectively used by themselves.

[vivid sonnet]

hi does Pirate squard f4u effect stack on the same ship?

[south sequoia]

Tank/ara/sirius or helena (harder to time depending on your timing)
Eldridge can be a slow but you're better off with implacable unless you really want to test your luck with everything landing

[sweet delta]

does low cost oil affect the relative difference between event points and hvar bps?

[weary gust]

Event point to bp ratio should be the same, all that would change is oil spent

Unless the amount of oil you spend in a battle somehow affects the drop rate, which ... might be possible.

[storm heron]

possible until proven otherwise

[rigid onyx]

possible yes, improbable also

[gleaming saddle]

how much should one play OpSi? I never got too serious into it, but want to start getting the good gear. Would you guys care to toss me your wisdom fellow commander?

[vivid sonnet]

hi

[dreamy blade]

as much as you can be bothered to really, theres no way around doing it more if you want better gear

at the minimum is dailies + strongholds (weekly) + normal arbiter (monthly)

[barren tapir]

well if u wanna compare, my datapoint is 43/256 with 183-195 oil runs

[sweet delta]

ensure you have reactions enabled for a smoother gphing experience

means no

[vivid sonnet]

oh mb

using phone web cnt see much

[weary gust]

Buy out all useful items from the shop, do all loggers, strongholds, dailies, and arbiter/harbiter fight. Spend all natural AP. More than that doesn't gain you much, less than that and you're missing out on easy rewards.

[elfin hollow]

Gun for Z52?

[dreamy blade]

if youre too lazy to do ALL loggers prioritize the siren r5/6 loggers

[soft raft]

Like as in the website client on Chrome mobile?
Just install the actual app

[stark quiver]

single 113

[elfin hollow]

Not rainbow 100mm?

[granite rain]

I just happened to pull Enterprise in one of my builds lmao

[weary gust]

You want to proc her barrage as often as possible, so fire rate is most important.

[granite rain]

So funny right after you told me to get her

[dreamy blade]

but also her dmg is respectable enough to at least give her the 113 over the single 76

[elfin hollow]

Enty is everywhere tbh.

[rigid onyx]

dont recommend 113 off the gate when 76mm is dirt cheap and like 98% as good

[rigid onyx]

better than 76/113 vs light, worse vs mid/heavy

[barren tapir]

113 is for rich people, 76 good budget

[dreamy blade]

tbf if he was considering the rainbow the 113 is probably within his budget

[stark quiver]

its her best gun
why would i reccomend something worse?

[granite rain]

Still good for a new player 🤷

[barren tapir]

true

[rigid onyx]

113 is literally the last 'bis' gear you should buy from gearlab

[elfin hollow]

Yeah, me rich. Me choose 113.

[barren tapir]

its fine to get if you need one and can afford it, better to get it than some "more important" gear that you dont actually yet have a use for

ive already made 2

[rigid onyx]

yeah that's a mistake

[dreamy blade]

and it doesnt even cost ord reps just the electronics

[rigid onyx]

you'd sooner want 12 flapjacks than your first 113

[obsidian ivy]

Is there any DD gun that gives more FP than the B13

[sweet delta]

/wiki twin 1386mm

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_138.6mm_(Mle_1934)

[obsidian ivy]

Fuck of course it's the mog gun I don't have 💀

[tropic parcel]

nakimhov vs implacable on the meta fight?

[rigid onyx]

if you're using amagi & shinano most people use implac

[tropic parcel]

i am but wondering if naki would work better or just do a full IJN main fleet

[rigid onyx]

heavy armor torps want a stop

[hollow gust]

nahkimov is fine, just realize you need another soviet ship to use her full potential

[tropic parcel]

would kronk in the vanguard work?

[queen jackal]

no, i accidentally correlated oil spent to point gain/bp gain, but the idea of oil spent to bp drop chance was funny

[hollow gust]

kronk doesnt apply slow

[eager mulch]

kronk crossfleet applies slow

[rigid onyx]

You could run nakh + tash for the slow, but I doubt it would be better than implac w/ a better dps vanguard ship

[tropic parcel]

hm fair point, i've tried the chinese wiki fleet with soyuz and naki+amagi and it didn't do great

[pseudo hearth]

Agir does provide slow though

If you have her.

[rigid onyx]

Reread nakh; it only provides a stop if slowed by a Northern Parliament ship

[viscid swift]

Tashkent and Voroshilov are unreliable for Taiho

the summons tend to prevent the slow from being applied

[obsidian ivy]

In a META fight, is watatsumi memo actually worth bothering or is it still inferior to like gridman firetruck (as secondary FP aux after fumo)

[craggy dragon]

I don't understand how they don't get hit by part 2 with the lanes firing

[stark quiver]

when syncing kear, enty and yk2,
do i want all 3 of them to be close to each other

[vagrant steppe]

Should i start investing into any of these URs, or wait for other reruns/new events?

[rigid onyx]

depends on your current URs and bulin count

[queen jackal]

for cube commissions is there any/noticeable difference in drop rate between say the 5, 7, 8 hr or should i just be trying to go for quick

[tropic parcel]

i would prioritize z52, she seems allaround fucking fantastic

small heal, very tanky and with an enemy armor debuff

[forest palm]

Shimakaze is the lowest priority of those 3 quite honestly. 52 and Fritz depends on the players immediate needs

[sweet delta]

For the part where all four lanes fire, you needed to go to the red highlighted lanes

[tropic parcel]

shima is a great damage focused DD but that's the only thing she has going, fritz i'm not entirely sure on the consensus but she seems very medium armor focused

[vagrant steppe]

all my URs and my 2 main fleets right now

[sweet delta]

Depends on the status of all your rainbow ships, show the full picture including maxed ships and don't crop

Max Fritz for sure fr

[rigid onyx]

I'd work on fritz, and wait for the next UR ship to see what to invest in after her

[sweet delta]

Also put aegir and anchorage in the fleets

[vagrant steppe]

working on anchorage, but will be putting aegir for sure just working on her gear and research papers. Thank you all for the help 👍

[barren tapir]

different amount of cube iirc, but same chance

[tropic parcel]

anchorage and aegir work ok below dev 30 since their role is just to tank and in aegir's case most of her utility comes from passives

[barren tapir]

still want about dev25 first iirc

[forest palm]

all the research CBs, Anchorage, and Napoli can function pretty well at 25

[rigid onyx]

in general it's better to prioritize main fleet ships if you dont have a lot of rainbow backlines just because main fleet has more impact usually. z52 is a premier vanguard option and i've seen more experienced players reccomend her earlier that i wouldve thought to though

[vagrant steppe]

Have her at 22 and a half, having bad luck on the research. Keep getting Hakuryuu cognitions

[tropic parcel]

that's great haku is much more useful then anchorage honestly

[rigid onyx]

i think they're talking about agir bps, considering they can coin ancho iirc

[tropic parcel]

oh well, keep at it, coin BPs for PR 5 should be out soon ish i think

[robust jackal]

When a equipment adds hit stat is it adding finial calculation hit or is it adding acc prior to the calculation of hit with eva and luck?

[fallow sedge]

Which ur carrier should I work on?

[sweet delta]

it adds hit stat, not final hit rate

and hit stat is the same thing as acc

[sweet delta]

I recommend saving for Amagi

[robust jackal]

Just for clarification, its adding ACC which is then used in the final hit rate?

[plain saffron]

/accuracy

[turbid marsh]

Finished 15000 pt rainbow bulin, cruise, and month rainbow? Probably want to go for amagi shinano

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Accuracy determines the chances of hitting or missing the enemy. It is affected by several stats, such as attacker's Hit, defender's Evasion, and Evasion Rate, as well as Luck stat of both. Full maths and factors behind it can be seen here.

Same factors also affect Critical Hit chances, maths behind which can be found here.

[plain saffron]

only took 4 tries

[sweet delta]

that's correct, hit stat is used in final hit rate. And 45 HIT doesn't make sense as hit rate anyways, like it's not going to be +45% hit rate lol

[zinc prairie]

is there a setting to turn off lewd loading screen?

[storm heron]

play on an emulator

so you can cover your screen

[fallow sedge]

Im around late 80 in cruise mission and almost 4k in proto

[sweet delta]

isn't a phone's screen smaller and easier to cover?

[zinc prairie]

already using 1 (nox)

[stark quiver]

invest in one of those privacy screen protectors

[storm heron]

I thought alt tab is easier and free

maybe it doesn't work like that anymore (have been 2 year since stopped playing with emu)

[plain saffron]

idk if playing it on screen that's bigger is more privacy

[turbid marsh]

Good, go finish that amagi and shinano, mlb one first. one.

[storm heron]

huh... pretty sure you can scale it down back then

[wary bobcat]

Should I use ur copies to mlb ships or nah

[stark quiver]

yah
what else are you gonna keep copies for

[fallow sedge]

Who should I replace uni or enty

[turbid marsh]

Perhaps you are interested in fleet power and want to appear in the leaderboard? Are you interested in having multiple skins for one ship? If yes then no, if no then yes.

[turbid marsh]

Enty. In the end shinano and amagi are your boss fleet, actually amagi can kinda do both…

[keen sable]

put controls all over the screen and turn transparency off

[wary bobcat]

I mean the ships I could max limit break are Fritz, Alsace and amagi cv but I kinda feel weird using them as bullins

But I mean I have 5 amagi cv’s

[keen sable]

sounds like you answered your question. -5 dock space or a usable ship

[storm heron]

bread or lottery

[placid egret]

So guys, what is Z52's role?

Boss fleet, mob... what's her deal?

[storm heron]

jack of all trades, no preferences

great surface damage, great AA, great durability, good global buff

[hot fox]

does 3 starring an event stage do anything?

[sweet delta]

check your missions

[warm trail]

how does fleet lock work

[storm heron]

it just skips the part where you arrange your fleet, and the part where you see the boss info (if applicable)

[forest palm]

you'll have to turn off fleet lock eventually to enable auto subs

after auto sub is on you just use fleet lock

[turbid marsh]

Fits basically… anywhere… It’s not a wrong option, might not be the best of that role ofc.

[storm heron]

I turn off fleet lock to disable auto subs

[forest palm]

I don't even use subs

[warm trail]

is this a good decision?

[stark quiver]

no

[placid egret]

Is it possible to set roles for specific fleets in SirenOps?

[warm trail]

why

[vale spindle]

no

[stark quiver]

its a good improvement yes
but maybe other ships might need their aug more

[cobalt gate]

sadly starter dd are not great anymore

[dreamy blade]

quite the opposite, they are good early game but dont have much use later

[nimble knoll]

What SR BB should I get in the medals shop?

[dreamy blade]

hood if you dont have her mlb yet

[nimble knoll]

Aight, I just need 6 more medals

[nimble knoll]

Should I get an SR BB or An SR DD?

[dreamy blade]

BB, the DDs in that shop are mainly for collection/tech (so get z46 for iron blood tech later)

hood is one of the best gold BBs

[nimble knoll]

Aight

[gleaming storm]

Does Yorktown 2 need to be paired with anyone?

[dreamy blade]

no but shes 1 of the better options to meet kearsarge's requirements

[elder lily]

Is skyraider good on fritz rumey

[storm heron]

you mean she's like the best option

[storm heron]

skyraider is a best bossing option for light, and only second to la-9 for medium, the only downside is the plane is very slow, syncing might be an issue

[rose cosmos]

Is drake also supposed to be a tank?

[low vapor]

Ok so which ship is better in opsi drake,hindenburg or napolia

[dreamy blade]

napoli as a tank, hindenburg for dps

[forest palm]

not much to go off of with no context

[dreamy blade]

yeah but i couldnt think of a context where drake outperforms either of them

[low vapor]

I see

[forest palm]

yes, but there's 4 fleets, so it gets lost in translation

[low vapor]

She keeps getting clowned on in opsi

[storm heron]

what an unfortunate fate

[sweet delta]

drake's fate is actually pretty strong

but drake with fate is not

[stone sluice]

84 sorties yesterday - 18 hvar prints
60 sorties today - 4 prints

I have 2 hvars (working on the 3rd), I’m gonna assume I won’t need a fourth one 😆 since I’m not gonna get it at this pace

[forest palm]

the sounds of suffering

[rigid onyx]

i think you're on rates overall

[stone sluice]

I was on rates yesterday but not today

[rigid onyx]

you were wildly above rates yesterday

maybe not quite wildly but you were considerably above rates

[sweet delta]

What are rates

[rigid onyx]

around .15

[stone sluice]

I thought it was .20

[sweet delta]

According to my personal data it's 0.0

[forest palm]

Stig gotta be special

[rigid onyx]

I haven't done the analysis yet w/ error and such but its around the .15 number, leaning slightly lower

[storm heron]

[nocturne glade]

how many runs should I expect per HVAR? (25)

[stark quiver]

like 100~ with help for me

my rates are
too much runs
too little hvars

[nocturne glade]

i see, ty!

[wary bobcat]

How many hvar f6f’s should I get

[wind hazel]

2-5

realistically maybe 3 from 7days

[rigid onyx]

its like 45k oil per hvar w/ cap

[gusty olive]

who to prioritize, z52 or Fritz?

[queen jackal]

how much event currency can you get so far outside of sortieing, like missions and the login

trying to see how many runs ive done

[wind hazel]

what other UR you have

[stark quiver]

like always, as much as you can farm

[gusty olive]

MLB'd or not?

[wind hazel]

all of them

[untold beacon]

Hi! Could anyone help me build a fleet using these?

[wind hazel]

just show your UR, would make things simpler

[wind hazel]

are you planning to push for w15 or not

[gusty olive]

not for now

[wind hazel]

z52 then

[gusty olive]

what's her function?

[wind hazel]

a lesser helena in a sense

strong dmg, has universal debuff on enemy

[forest palm]

[stark quiver]

[wind hazel]

why not capitalized

[forest palm]

time to ping yuki

[gusty olive]

Basically an Alternative for Plymouth?

[forest palm]

not sure about "alternative", but she's a backline buffer

[gusty olive]

Right... Ply is a flagship buffer

[stark quiver]

just use both in same fleet 🧠

[soft raft]

Finally Helena powercreep

[sinful elk]

Chat whats the most useful dive bomber aside from skyraider and tenrai

[wind hazel]

helldiver

[sinful elk]

No.. others?

[wind hazel]

suisei 12A in some cases

[soft raft]

*With said cases being timing related

[whole crypt]

to be fair Plymouth's actual FS5 would probably put her back in game vs Z52, it's just how soon will they powercreep her with new UR/DR

most of the DR FSs so far basically removed conditional shit from the skills, Plymouth doesn't have anything conditional off the top of my head so probably straight skill buffs?

[warm pivot]

should I also make them lv120 or is it not worth it?

[sweet delta]

If sortied with another Royal Navy ship, or if this ship has Royal Navy gear equipped:
fs will just remove this

[wind hazel]

worth

but may not be a priority, depends on your dock

[sweet delta]

it's a mid to late game thing, CL FP is decent in the priority order though

[civic crag]

is z52 the goat support

[sweet delta]

plus perma 10% damage reduction, not just half the time

[whole crypt]

[civic crag]

which UR do I work on (assume vanguard is 0lb lmao)

[whole crypt]

what about blue skill though

[sweet delta]

why that assumption?

[sweet delta]

that is the blue skill

[whole crypt]

hm

[quartz jungle]

Well there are 2 separate skills, so just one of them no?

[civic crag]

because yall gonna ask me to lb vgd because I alr slapped 2 bulins on it

[queen jackal]

any particular ddg i should build first?

[sweet delta]

well the answer IS vanguard

[civic crag]

I wanna know if i should invest in it or not because it's good

[wind hazel]

huh

[civic crag]

is it a boss main or mob main

[whole crypt]

Vanguard is better in boss BB fleet but she's fine for mob in most cases

[civic crag]

why not musashi btw

[whole crypt]

Musashi works too, flip a coin

[civic crag]

musashi Is mommy then

[whole crypt]

if you want a more serious answer it'll depend on where you're at in campaign and what sort of comps you're in more hurry to put together

Musashi is plainly better for ch14/15 mobbing but I'd probably pick Vanguard if making a BB boss fleet for OS with what you have now

what's a reliable low cost B1/B3 fleet for superimposition

[soft raft]

Musashi's main limiting factor in OpSi bossing is that her weapon choices are heavily limited by her IJN main gun requirement

Which leaves her with no suitable options for HE that can sync with Helena, plus she's pretty slow for a UR BB which can lead to her easily desyncing if a fight goes on for long enough

[dusky narwhal]

How good is the drek gun? Im thinking of trying to get one from shop

[rapid grail]

good against heavy armor for CAs and bis for drake
overall, quite low priority if you haven't got any other UR gear from the protocore shop

[soft raft]

On paper it's the best anti-heavy CA Gun, but realistically it's extremely low priority

[whole crypt]

it's a decent CA gun for all armour types, but whether you should get it from proto shop depends on whether you've picked up higher priority gear from the shop yet

[rapid grail]

psa: everything else that is UR

[whole crypt]

even the other rainbow gear is behind champagne guns and BFGs

[dusky narwhal]

I have everything but the tenrai fully bought out but it's not enough left to get it completed

[whole crypt]

besides shit you'll never get from proto shop drake gun is literally the lowest priority

is it hindenburg gun's turn soon for addition?

I can't remember when they add the shit

[soft raft]

Yeah

[dusky narwhal]

my current UR stuff as well

[whole crypt]

I assume you have enough champagne guns and BFGs?

eh, are you completely done with PR4, because between shop and what you have that's just 11 more prints for a plane

and 1435 cores isn't even half a copy of an UR gear anyway

[dusky narwhal]

6 BFGs + 2 champy guns

[whole crypt]

well either way you don't have enough to finish tenrai or a copy of drake gun

I personally would probably go for tenrai and spend another month in PR4 to finish the third tenrai

[stark quiver]

is this sync good?

[wind hazel]

i would just wait for gear lab update before deciding

[whole crypt]

even if tenrai gets added to lab it's going to be hella expensive

[civic crag]

i’m mostly trying to beat Harbiters for now

[dusky narwhal]

alright then! i left marco alone so its a little easier to get tenrais

[whole crypt]

he's 11 prints away from another plane

[storm heron]

for 80s kinda fight?

[whole crypt]

I'm more bothered by the fact he's 7 prints away from another 457 but it's really shit to focus PR2

which means he wasted... 2820 cores

[wind hazel]

for a third 457? lol but why

[stark quiver]

i have no clue how to sync the la9 and skyraider

[storm heron]

I don't know how yk and kear interact tbh, can't say

[whole crypt]

I don't think he should do PR2 for the third gun, I'm just bothered that he wasted nearly 3000 cores

[wind hazel]

understandable

[dusky narwhal]

yeah it's a little annoying but I decided a while ago a third would be nice but didn't complete it because other stuff took priority

[wind hazel]

at any rate don't need to buy anything from the shop, since you can't craft it

[whole crypt]

well maybe come back to it in like another year or 2 if there's ever any breathing room for you in research

yeh you don't have to buy any of it now since it's not giving you a piece of gear straight

[dusky narwhal]

yeah I usually play on and off so my lab ships are looking kinda rough, shimanto is the only ship from PR6+ thats Dev 30

[whole crypt]

and if you wanted a CA gun I'd probably just wait till hindenburg gun comes round since you're still short on cores anyway

unless it's on Drake specifically hindenburg gun will probably be better most of the time

[storm heron]

I say wait gear lab update and see which of the tenrai vs 457 is cheaper

[whole crypt]

he doesn't need another 457 regardless and he can't buy more prints

[dusky narwhal]

yeah I thought that it might be weaker than hindenburg gun happy I didn't just buy it

[bold cove]

But it not surpass materials require to craft wyvern, spearfish right?

[whole crypt]

Drake gun can probably be completely phased out by Unzen rerun if you have enough hindenburg guns

[storm heron]

well who knows

[dusky narwhal]

what's in unzen rerun??

[whole crypt]

it's a plane first and foremost so it'll take electronics
wyvern takes design plans, spearfish takes ordnance reports
tenrai should take ordnance reports

[whole crypt]

a second Unzen gun, so you no longer need to cope with unzen gun + drake gun for anti-light on hindenburg

[sweet delta]

why did Alsace shoot way to the bottom left? Surely it's not spread? All 6 shells between the first volleys of both salvos went down there

[dusky narwhal]

well, I don't have a unzen gun but it's fine because I don't have hindenburg atm

[whole crypt]

can you clear B1 reliably with 4 oil or 5 oil because 3 oil isn't really cutting it

[vale spindle]

is it the hitbox of the boss being weirdly coded such that its centered to the bottom left of the sprite?

[sweet delta]

but i'm manually aiming

[storm heron]

can't you just adjust aim a bit to the top left?

[whole crypt]

that's not the point though

the shells are not landing where he aimed

[whole crypt]

is it happening in other places

also what did you do that got caught

[storm heron]

getting top score

[sweet delta]

i don't manual in other places but it has happend twice against devil today

[whole crypt]

well she has a preload just try starting anything with her with auto off

unless it's also a weird problem that only happens when she's dual loaded

[sweet delta]

twice out of like 30 times

[crisp raven]

youre too good. devs are shadow nerfing you

[sweet delta]

these nicknames

[whole crypt]

[wind hazel]

b1 lv70 0lb ranger+mahan can clear. b2 not reliable even on safe

[slow fox]

Suchi sigma why do you sound like you're fresh off a sobbing session in your recent video

[dusk maple]

mic issues

[storm heron]

it's like when someone you love betrays you

[dusk maple]

🍝 code?

[sweet delta]

because mebot bullied me on the playground

[stark quiver]

what yostar does to a mf

[grave ridge]

Is she a meta CL?

[crimson glacier]

she is good but idk if i would call her meta

[storm heron]

she is currently not the top at any content

[nocturne glade]

whay exactly makes the HVAR good?

[grave ridge]

Strong against light to medium armor

[storm heron]

best in slot (fighter) for light armor bossing

[crimson glacier]

its rocket fighter with slightly more light armor dmg than others

[nocturne glade]

i see, ty!

[grave ridge]

Would you agree that mainz is best research CL for vanguard?

[sweet delta]

plymouth is

[crimson glacier]

mainz fell off insanely hard with w14 and 15

[grave ridge]

Then any recommendations for CL research ship?

[crimson glacier]

why do you need CL

[grave ridge]

I was trying to do CB - DD - CL

[storm heron]

plymouth

[crimson glacier]

i just dont see a reason for that

[grave ridge]

Or maybe CB- DD - CB?
I don't really like heavy cruisers for low evasion

[crimson glacier]

you just need 3 good ships

[wind hazel]

use good ship, dont get fixated on hull for no reason

[storm heron]

there's no reason for that, good ships are good

[quartz jungle]

Looks like new UI is causing Alsace manual aim to change when she is shooting at. Basically Alsace has initiated the firing animation, but because you moved before Alsace actually fired the shells ended up in the different place

[grave ridge]

Unzen or agir or Hindenburg or brest?

[crimson glacier]

for what

[civic crag]

how gain tuning point without sample

[grave ridge]

Idk in general? Overall?

[stark quiver]

grind opsi

[crimson glacier]

agir and brest are tanks, unzen and hindy are dps

[civic crag]

which areas

[sharp socket]

all areas

you get all of them somewhat equally

[copper pine]

how much did i miss not getting the last UR?

the CV one

[crimson glacier]

idk

[keen sable]

so you want 2 cb with even lower evasion?

[grave ridge]

Well the others said good ship os good ship so idk

[storm heron]

he's criticizing your previous view

[crimson glacier]

and its pointless

[sharp socket]

fritz main use it seems is for new anti-light bossing comps and w15 support fleet so probably not a big deal if you dont have her

[storm heron]

eh, depends, tbh not as much as some URs I know

[sharp socket]

z52 however has more use since shes like a general character that can do alot of things

so if you have z52 and not fritz its not that bad

[storm heron]

well said

[copper pine]

really? well i do have all other UR's to be fair

[sharp socket]

still sucks cause fritz might become best at something somewhere but we don't know what that is yet

[keen sable]

that doesn't mean much and is a typical useless platitude. cb's are good ships but 3 cb is 2 bad cb too many

[sharp socket]

overall not a big deal unless you're chasing for maximum performance for future content

[storm heron]

yeah if she become best at something for these upcoming 2 years people are gonna beg for her

[copper pine]

is she tho?

like is it as good like replacing amagi, haku, shinano?

[crimson glacier]

no

[sharp socket]

those do heavy bossing

[crimson glacier]

if she was going to replace those ppl would have said that

[copper pine]

but in fact, its just a bit meh compared to them.. i guess?

[sharp socket]

light and medium bossing is where fritz can shine because she can double fighter

[crimson glacier]

she doesnt do the same thing

[copper pine]

who does med light again? for CV's other than fritz

[crimson glacier]

depends who you ask

[sharp socket]

kear yk2 implac/nakhi

mainly just yk2 and friends

[crimson glacier]

coz imo every UR CV team can do light just fine

[storm heron]

right now fritz full potential is still being figured out, fritz was about to replace amagi previously in the soy/nakh/amagi as a medium bossing, just like how amagi replace haku previously in the haku/shina/implac as a heavy bossing comp

[sharp socket]

some do better and some do worse

[crimson glacier]

only part where the difference matters is meta bosses

[copper pine]

yeah the only part matter is that

[civic crag]

is pancake still best fighter

[storm heron]

best campaign fighter yes

[civic crag]

wb opsi

[copper pine]

been a while i heard that name... whats the plane again

[storm heron]

well it's complicated, but damage wise it's not the best in anything

[fair tartan]

Is there any point crafting this aircraft?

[copper pine]

bearcat is still solid right?

[storm heron]

maybe flapjack's feat in opsi is being second only to la-9 in heavy armor for fighter slot

[rain vine]

bearcat was never good

[crimson glacier]

You mean tigercat right? Bear is shit

[copper pine]

oh tigercat

oops, F7F

[elfin hollow]

would Helena benefit from a triple 152?

[storm heron]

best in slot for fighter against light armor bosses

[peak moat]

yes they are amazing for light

[civic crag]

i heard tiger is too expensive tho

[fair tartan]

What about the flying flapjack?

[peak moat]

grind this shit harder than you have ever grinded.

[copper pine]

i have like 8 tigercats xD

[storm heron]

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[storm heron]