gameplay-help

[viscid swift]

Hard

[quartz jungle]

Btw do you have any reason to keep the Musashi dupe?

[fallow sedge]

No lol

[keen sable]

oohhhh hard stuck on 154 dock space

[lyric night]

Display all her skins at the same time

[thin nova]

this AA gun gud?

[viscid swift]

No

[rigid onyx]

good on ships with really poor aa

[quartz jungle]

You can scrap her then

[odd thicket]

That's a really rude way of speaking calm down

[rigid onyx]

oh its just rage bait

8/10 gj

[lucid hamlet]

eh more like 6.5/10

[runic bluff]

how many UR AA gun I need for prepping in w13 h and w15?

[stark quiver]

0

[cunning bison]

get ships w good aa owo + u dont need ur aa

[odd thicket]

I mean if they tell everyone to not asking questions about a topic they asked about anymore I guess that's just how they speak but it seems rude to me.

[stark quiver]

You don’t need it, tho it’s nice to have

[worldly pewter]

well it depends on some factors saying 0 can be misleading for some setups

[viscid swift]

well you need 0 to be able to clear W15 full stop

[stark quiver]

90mms are a thing
You technically don’t need UR AA

[viscid swift]

yes some would be nice to have but they're far from a requirement and there are other gear I'd focus resources on getting to help clear W15

[worldly pewter]

for me i had to use 2 one of them is 13 and 2 sexies 13 too barely able to clear it

[sharp socket]

cheeky would u say 4th wyvern or 2nd UR AA be better for w15

[viscid swift]

uhhh

[worldly pewter]

so saying 0 is kinda misleading for some setups

[viscid swift]

it's difficult to call

[stark quiver]

Depends?

[rigid onyx]

4 wvyerns seems unnecessary considering i'm fairly sure spearfishes are better albiet more expensive

[viscid swift]

well I would tend to argue if a set up "needs" 57s then it's not a very good set up

[sharp socket]

me when spearfish takes 9 t3 ord

[stark quiver]

I mean if you have like Guam laff and whatnot then not rly needed for more UR AA
And you can fill in a slot with breguet

[viscid swift]

I would at the very least wait for the next gear lab update before making a call

[sharp socket]

spearfish is very expensive to make

[worldly pewter]

it was a speedrun attempt and didn't have many tools to assemble mainly the support fleet and fps performance

[rigid onyx]

i mean w15 fleets are a triangle between:

ships, gear, & timing optimizations, and the more you take away from one, the more you have to add to the others

[timid solar]

Does anyone know where this option is? I can't find it fml

[rigid onyx]

so yes, UR aa guns are unecessary if you have access to the best ships, but, for example, if you don't have laffii it'll simplify the clear

[sharp socket]

timing optimisation is not an issue, its just AA, damage and living

[viscid swift]

not that I've done any testing but there is a pretty high baseline for W15 in terms of AA

[sharp socket]

the living part combined with AA reduces the options by alot

[stark quiver]

What does that mean?

[viscid swift]

in theory quite a few 57s would allow you to dip a bit in terms of said ships but the 2nd best options tend to be lacking in other areas like eHP, damage, etc

which scuffs the attempt anyway

[timid solar]

why my OS auto still stops at this when I have automatically exchange option on?

[sharp socket]

yeah that one is just unlucky

[viscid swift]

uhh, what part is not clear?

[timid solar]

ah ok, so its not just me

[runic bluff]

but 2 of UR AA is nice to have yeah??? I have enough UR AA bp for it just getting for free and still have much ur bp selectors)

[sharp socket]

the game would not go there if it can, it just happens to be in the path of whatever its going towards

[viscid swift]

yeah, I do have 6 at +13

[stark quiver]

Baseline
Idk what that means

[viscid swift]

like a theoretical minimum

in practice things are not that simple what so ever but that's the idea

[stark quiver]

Also did you just run out of stuff to +13

[viscid swift]

no, like I only have one +13 stagg still

[runic bluff]

ok then thanks for it, imma start to craft these 2 ur aa

[dense briar]

Which one of these battleships have the best barrage?

PS: Too many Northampton died for this

[viscid swift]

I just had that many AA plates to spare

[viscid swift]

Hood would be the best choice

[runic bluff]

hood especially if you have her augment

[sweet delta]

I do not recommend depot crafting augments for ships you don't own

[runic bluff]

I mean it is a waste of 21k coins and also include shipgirls you dont use for the long run

[viscid swift]

uhh what

[dense briar]

Thanks guys! Ill look into it

But do all of them have barrages tho? It just so happens hood was the best?

[runic bluff]

lmao I just mentioned when you craft a SR augment with max level my bad

[viscid swift]

all of them do have a Barrage except JB, she only gets one with her augment

[keen sable]

they do not all have barrages

[runic bluff]

and also iirc hood barrage skill is rng unless you get her augment

[viscid swift]

correct

though in that respect her competitors aren't really better

[dense briar]

Aight. Much love guys

[sweet delta]

do pow and Massachusetts have barrages?

[viscid swift]

uhhhh

[sharp socket]

which of the ships in guild elite shop have retros

[sweet delta]

A lot

[stark quiver]

helena

[eternal moth]

Helena, Uni, Maryland

[viscid swift]

London, Helena, Unicorn, Colorado, Maryland, Ping Hai, Ning Hai, Chang Chun, Mogami, Tai Yuan

[worldly pewter]

ddgs too

[rigid onyx]

helena, chang (and tai if you have her item), uni are the most relavent imo

[obsidian ivy]

How much cog does a UR/DR eat from 100-125

[rigid onyx]

ddgs kinda expensive for new new players because they cost 1600 protocore coredata for their missile & aux

[keen sable]

Does NC qualify for worst barrage?

[sharp socket]

so i have 7 more in there to retro

[viscid swift]

a lot

[sharp socket]

what about the blue limited shop

[viscid swift]

a lot in there as well

[obsidian ivy]

So 3750 X3, Jesus I'm actually short

I'm finally having cog shortage

[stark quiver]

how many ships did azur lane have on release
global server premier

[sharp socket]

and how many of those retro have good tech, as in not hp/aa/dd eva

[keen sable]

dd eva is good tech

[viscid swift]

Bailey, Yuugure, Hatsuharu, Matusakze, Ariake, Hatsuhimo iirc

[sharp socket]

its less than dd fp

[rose cosmos]

Yorktown2 is for light armors right? So pairing her with enterprise then?

[sharp socket]

guess ill look through them

[rigid onyx]

yorkii is a UR so she's decent vs all armor, but she is best vs light

[stark quiver]

kear and enty are good pairs

[sharp socket]

if they have bad tech and retro, ill do those first to retro them and retire

[timid solar]

guys, what's typical fritz team looks like?

[viscid swift]

none pretty much, actually no I take that back

[storm heron]

is getting banned on EX a bug? I'm kinda too afraid of doing EX now

[inner delta]

no

[stark quiver]

soyuz nakhimov fritz
for medium armor blasting'

[inner delta]

stig just had a bad luck

[rigid onyx]

fritz is one of the most versatile ships in the game with 'teams' for campaign, light armor bossing, medium armor bossing, and would be top-tier for heavy armor bossing if shinano amagi wasnt a thing

[stark quiver]

stig has high score
its just bad luck and game thinking hes sus

[timid solar]

this team is only good for med bosses?

[sharp socket]

is stig suchi?

[south sequoia]

Stig quite literally did too good

[south sequoia]

yes

[eternal moth]

WDYM?

[stark quiver]

good for all, top for medium

[stark quiver]

suchi got banned

[viscid swift]

alll the IJN DDs are reload tech

[timid solar]

for heavy is bismarck/musashi still better?

[eternal moth]

wot

[storm heron]

I see I see, cause last time it was my first time competing for EX and only got no 4, I'm just afraid that I could get banned, so it's just a bug...

[stark quiver]

heavy
you run amagi cv, shinano, hakuryuu/implac

[stark quiver]

youll be fine
probably

[keen sable]

i doubt it's a bug

[inner delta]

it is not a bug

[rose cosmos]

I been running shinano, amagi and musashi for heavy lol, dunno if it’s the best choice

[sharp socket]

haku and no stopper if you can handle resetting or torp whiffs

[rigid onyx]

its good (stacking rainbows), although there are ofc better choices if this is for generic st heavy bossing

[lucid hamlet]

i have 80 medals should I get one of the SR ships from the medal shop? I have enough bulins atm

[sharp socket]

always prefer stopper is my choice just so that they dont whiff, its like a 10% chance of happening but it does happen

[stark quiver]

anyways, not bug
but no need to dwell on it, whats done is done

[elfin hollow]

will suchi get unbanned

[lucid hamlet]

if so which one should I get, only SR I have from the list is washington

[rose cosmos]

Does it have to be haru/impa? what are the other options

[sharp socket]

just pray for suchi

[stark quiver]

most likely
probably a false ban, like what happened to olisdrym

[keen sable]

what server?

[eternal moth]

It depends on which ships you have available, and who you have. What hull types are they?

[eternal moth]

Get Hood.

[lucid hamlet]

can get these as well as yukikaze z46 le triomphant and le malin

[eternal moth]

Still Hood.

[soft raft]

Hood

[sharp socket]

does yukikaze have UR retro or am i thinking of another IJN DD

[soft raft]

Those DDs are all realistically tech fodder

[soft raft]

You're thinking of Yuudachi

[wind hazel]

yuudachi has UR retro

[sharp socket]

ah yuudachi ok

[eternal moth]

There are a lot of people wishing she did, but yeah, it's only Yuudachi

[lucid hamlet]

hood it is

[bold cove]

Any of this ships is Sardegna or Northen tech?

[sharp socket]

malin and triomphant is french

[lucid hamlet]

hood acquired

[sharp socket]

unfortunately not pasta

[rigid onyx]

avp as a stopper, but implac rerun is soon

[lucid hamlet]

whats the best way to go about leveling low level ships quickly and without xp books

[eternal moth]

DOrm

[short wagon]

is this thing balls

[eternal moth]

It's better than quad bofors

[short wagon]

say less

[eternal moth]

Essentially, it's a quad bofors with 1 extra range

[timid solar]

what about light?

[rigid onyx]

best generic light fleet atm yorkii kear nakh

[stark quiver]

kear, yk2,enty/fritz/implac/nakh

[short wagon]

fdg has bofor should i replace it

[quartz jungle]

3 extra range IIRC

[eternal moth]

Back line should be using Hazemeyer or STAAG if you have them

[short wagon]

or on someone else it goea

[timid solar]

who's kear/nakh?

[short wagon]

dont

[eternal moth]

Kearsarge/Nakhimov

[lucid hamlet]

kearsarge and admiral nakhimov

[rigid onyx]

pr6 bbv and pr7 cv DRs

[runic bluff]

pr6/7 UR shipgirls respectively

[short wagon]

nvm had a hazemayer i threw it on fdg bc fdg is my mob fleet

whats a stag

[eternal moth]

Better hazemeyer

[short wagon]

twin 105 or this thing

[quartz jungle]

That

[eternal moth]

STAAG

[short wagon]

almost enough bp for one

who should i put the twin 90 on?
ignore the +10 octuple i did that before i discovered gameplay help

[eternal moth]

Anchorage. I would only put twin 113 on AA carries

[timid solar]

gotcha, thx

[short wagon]

who is aa carry other than sandy

[eternal moth]

Quite a few ships. Cheshire, Guam, Laffey 2, Isuzu, Shimanto, Z52

[short wagon]

my guam is 5* and ill bw replacing her wit ague soon
sea kitty told me to not mlb my guam as it not worth it

fym doubt bro

[eternal moth]

Personally, I'd rather have Guam than Agir

She's far more useful in campaign

[short wagon]

why not both 🗣️

[eternal moth]

I do, in fact, use both

[soft raft]

Torpedoes are not kind to Agir
Mainly in late campaign

[short wagon]

omg hood retro guy

[short wagon]

sigma

[short wagon]

can i put it on laffey or kazagumo

[whole crypt]

there's no way Guam isn't worth, it's probably she wasn't a priority for you

[short wagon]

yes that

not worth it for me this current moment

[eternal moth]

No, Kaza REALLY doesn't want it. If you have Laffey 2 I'd put it on her, but it's not worth it on base Laffey IIRC

[short wagon]

i missed out on laffey 2 ☹️

[eternal moth]

But you got Guam... they were in the same event

[solar canopy]

where is the place to craft this item?

[tropic tusk]

guy must be sleeping

[short wagon]

guam was gambling and laffey 2 was NOT gabling

[tropic tusk]

deport

[keen sable]

depot > craft

[eternal moth]

Right, Laffey was essentially free

[short wagon]

dint bother grinding dont remember why dont want to know why

[solar canopy]

ahh okay thanks

[tropic tusk]

wait wasnt laffy 2 u buy her with points? wht did u do with the points

[short wagon]

i had like 1k bro i did not play the event

[tropic tusk]

[short wagon]

isnt they rerunning that event soon 😭

[tropic tusk]

nope not anytime soon

[short wagon]

oh fuck is it jext year

[tropic tusk]

nope probly 2 year

[wind hazel]

2026 earliest

[short wagon]

wasnt it 2 years for wvents to rerun

[eternal moth]

Typically it's just over 2 years

[short wagon]

guam event was start of 24…?

[tropic tusk]

end of 23

[soft raft]

Dec 2023

[short wagon]

same thing

[soft raft]

No it isn't

[tropic tusk]

its different

[lilac kelp]

Is the sky raider worth it from the rerun

alright

[soft raft]

Lmfao the speed of those 5 reacts

[short wagon]

who should i mlb next

[lilac kelp]

I think we have an answer Jesus

[tropic tusk]

why is ur unzen half lb? or was it dupe?

[short wagon]

that was because i did not know about gameplay help and didnt know about the game in general

🪄🪄🪄

[tropic tusk]

hope u know now

[past cloak]

I need help on fleet composition for O.S.

[short wagon]

ive gotten the link to why i shouldnt half lb sm times

[wind hazel]

this is a pretty hard decision to make ngl

[tropic tusk]

its not sometimes its always unless u got dupe

[wind hazel]

personally unzen>alsace>amagi, but get another opinion

[short wagon]

sm = so much

@tropic tusk @eternal moth what yall think

[wind hazel]

actually probably unzen>amagi>alsace

[tropic tusk]

mori knows best

[short wagon]

and then ill just do 400 pulls until i get another nj to use 2 njs to mlb the og nj

oui or non

[tropic tusk]

till now i still dont know how the game runs , all i know is baisc shit and i grind alot

[wind hazel]

i'd forget about NJ, you should get Shinano

[whole crypt]

how many bulins can you get

[wind hazel]

also i didnt see the Guam there lol

[short wagon]

i have 1 in the battlepass coming up and thats it

[keen sable]

you should spark NJ naturally without spending resources. whether that's what you said or meant...

[tropic tusk]

guam not mlb tho

[short wagon]

what does that mean

[eternal moth]

I still think Guam is the most useful there, since you only need one more bulin for her

[jovial cosmos]

Is event hard mode worth getting 3 stars?

[short wagon]

i could prolly do it tmr icl i have a few quests left in the bp

[keen sable]

it means don't go spending 400 cubes on special tomorrow to buy a bulin

[eternal moth]

Only if you didn't 3* normal

[past cloak]

If you want to

[short wagon]

ofc bro

[jovial cosmos]

Ah

[wind hazel]

depends whether you've already 3* A and B or not

[jovial cosmos]

Straight to farming i go then

[whole crypt]

with only 2 bulins just finish Unzen and wait for new UR

[short wagon]

wait so guam or unzen bro

[tropic tusk]

[keen sable]

what do you want to do better at?

[short wagon]

also i dont have guam gun 👍🏻

mentioned this a bitttt late

[eternal moth]

You'd finish Unzen before Guam?

[whole crypt]

if you pushing plane hell guam, if you want more heavy dps unzen

[short wagon]

w11

[wind hazel]

💀

[short wagon]

☹️

[wind hazel]

are you the 11-3 guy

[tropic tusk]

[short wagon]

no..?

[whole crypt]

if you not in a hurry for AA Unzen is a large dps boost

[wind hazel]

it should be easy to destroy w11 with what you have

[short wagon]

im lazy to push maybe thats why lol

[wind hazel]

yes, it's harder to destroy laziness

[short wagon]

but lets say planning for the future story worlds who is higher peiority

[short wagon]

4 months on 11-1 btw

[eternal moth]

Guam is more important for w15

[obsidian ivy]

I really suck at these EX stages, there's no foolproof auto method either right?

[tropic tusk]

ex is the one where they give no rewards right?

[short wagon]

dont think ill gwt there anytime soon gang icl

[whole crypt]

chips

[obsidian ivy]

Well it gives 500 cogs

[wind hazel]

#gameplay-help message

[tropic tusk]

isnt that 100-115 chip?

[short wagon]

shlawg this the channel we is in rn

[wind hazel]

???

[short wagon]

yuh

[eternal moth]

Click on the link

[obsidian ivy]

Is there anything to replace Eldridge with

[whole crypt]

you use chips all the way up to 125

[short wagon]

uhhhhhhhh

[wind hazel]

for what she does, uhhhhh unlikely

[tropic tusk]

oh right 120 u need both

[short wagon]

oh yeah i have elsridge retro item but no eldridge

YO ITS THE 11-3 GUY

[tropic tusk]

shes in shop u can buy her

[silk helm]

Hey I don't have unzen or Guam

[wind hazel]

the legend

[obsidian ivy]

I'll just try manual for a while I suppose

[short wagon]

TOLD U IT WASNT ME BRO

[short wagon]

cooked

[silk helm]

But I got my first hvar in 40k point I hope it helps 🙏🏻

[whole crypt]

not for 11-3

[short wagon]

idek what this means but good for you go get em tiger

[keen sable]

i don't think this qualifies as foolproof and uhh...
https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/460645783021289472/1327100306927915140

[wind hazel]

not ban proof either

[short wagon]

aye everyone in gameplay help have a blessed day night afternoon whatever

[pallid robin]

is farming hvar so bad? I got line no blueprint from 10k oil

[short wagon]

whats hvar bro

[stark quiver]

yup
thats how normal rates were intended

[silk helm]

It's a plane from d3

[short wagon]

dont got it 🫸🏻🫷🏻

[silk helm]

Someone said it's rlly strong

[keen sable]

high velocity aircraft rockets

[tropic tusk]

if u dont have it thats y farm for it lol

[short wagon]

i think i need to start grinding for thw rainbow plane in the shop tmr icl

[pallid robin]

fck, meaning realistically, i will only get the free one. Since I have only 20k oil saved for farming

[short wagon]

how many days left in the event

[tropic tusk]

just chekcing did u check mail box theres oil also

[pallid robin]

6days left

[barren tapir]

youll get 1 from farming guaranteed just from regular oil

[short wagon]

thabk God

[barren tapir]

ifyou use it, of course

1 hvar takes like 40-50k oil on full fleet which is reasonable (5k eventshop, 4k pack, 2.9k weekly, 520 * 6 dailys left, 2304 * 6 dailies left, + comms)

[pallid robin]

yea, and I think only one HVAR is all relatively new players can get.

[barren tapir]

youll reach that amt of oil over this week unless you entered the event with like 0 oil

youll get 2. 1 from shop+milestone, 1 from grinding if you can do d3 ofc

[silk helm]

Wait how do u get the guaranteed one

[pallid robin]

Yes I am doing D3. Two pieces of HVAR.. I guess atleast rumey has good planes now

[keen sable]

farming do be like that

[crisp wraith]

10 prints from points reward, 15 from shop (fixed ty)

[silk helm]

Ty

[bold stream]

Hello all. I just noticed. Is this thing used to upgrade to lv125 so rare? I have only upgrade unicorn and musashi and I got so few left. Where can I farm this things?

[wind hazel]

it's pretty rare early game so be a bit picky on who you raise above 120

[bold stream]

I missed two months on shop and I also still can not get the minimum stats for w12 hards... I clear w11-4

I have rumey, fdg, yk2, z52 to upgrade...

[spark ridge]

This is my list of UR, should I work on z52 first? I feel I generally have a lot of good backline but nothing good for frontline. Like my best frontline rn I think is Sandy (which I only use for AA) and ibuki. Nearly done with kitakze xp too

[wind hazel]

which stats are you missing

got a feeling it's trp

[bold stream]

Torps and evasion.. then they require CA

This is just bad news over bad news...

[obsidian ivy]

Did it with manual, maybe shouldve used carriers though...

I really suck at bullet hell.

[jaunty blaze]

Does anyone know what to put in Saint Louis
?

[keen sable]

HE

[jaunty blaze]

Ok

[wind hazel]

get anchorage soon, CA solved. raise more trp based DDs

[atomic abyss]

portland also has high eva for a CA

most japanese CAs also have high eva

[wind hazel]

also i dont see eva requirement on 12h

[bold stream]

Portland has no torps so she is out...

[cobalt gate]

so with the shop bp should be 6 aircrafts, you guys think need more?

[wind hazel]

just AA and TRP

[bold stream]

Wait really? Must be 11 then.

[atomic abyss]

5 HVARs is more than enough

[crisp wraith]

You don't even really need more than 5, you're good.

[bold stream]

I will get screenshot of my team after these 3 auto runs

[fleet cobalt]

Is hornet 2 good?

[cobalt gate]

i see, guess probably won't need to finish farming event whole week

[atomic abyss]

hornet 2 is good, but she's no enty, and she's a gold CV in a UR CV meta so mostly irrelevant outside tech

[storm heron]

I heard hornet 2 is about as good as 170% enterprise, is it true?

[atomic abyss]

she is the next best thing to use with yk2 skill

[wind hazel]

something like this i guess, you can pad stats with oxytorp if you still lacking

[atomic abyss]

after enty

[storm heron]

and shang ri la better than horn II right?

just confirming some stuff I got from ectl

[atomic abyss]

[cobalt gate]

i'm suprised enty is still kinda like top 10 this long

[atomic abyss]

id consider them equal for most intents and purposes

[barren tapir]

torp is a pain as newbie, lemme find what i used (manual! until safe) to break into ch12 hm

[jaunty blaze]

what put Saint Louis Auxiliary?

[wind hazel]

rudder toolkit

[storm heron]

I just raised the Zs as second fleet so I didn't have much torp problem

[grizzled sundial]

Do people do EX map manually ?

[wind hazel]

rupprecht powah

[barren tapir]

some op people can auto it

[cobalt gate]

maybe with eldich?

[barren tapir]

rupprecht basically solved all my torp issues forever once built. love her

[atomic abyss]

eld for ex is lol

[jaunty blaze]

for Saint Louis?

[cobalt gate]

oh her skill doesn't work?

[wind hazel]

most cruisers usually use rudder+toolkit

[dusk maple]

it does, she's viable for auto ex

[atomic abyss]

some EXs ban such skills

[storm heron]

even on easy?

[atomic abyss]

or outright negate

[jaunty blaze]

А,okay thank you

[grizzled sundial]

Well need some adivices on how to reduce the damage in EX , should i priotize evade skill ?

[atomic abyss]

no

[barren tapir]

some EX ban some don't

[atomic abyss]

most EX bosses have high accuracy

[dusk maple]

it's an old EX, nothing is banned

[atomic abyss]

so you have to use HP not eva

[barren tapir]

prioritize invincibility + shields such as anchorage, jintsuu meta, jda, eagle dmg control stuff etc. and just manual if you cant kill in 1 shot or 2 shots max

[bold stream]

I am using all torps I can get right there already...

Just a few more...

[wind hazel]

just raise their levels+oxytorp

[barren tapir]

cant you do 12-1? it needs 2100 iirc?

day almost reset - just do 12-1 for now and level them up over time to do 12-2 later

keep in mind youll likely have to manual it's worth it for the core data imo

[wind hazel]

that is 12-1

[barren tapir]

oh

[storm heron]

reset

[wind hazel]

i think

[barren tapir]

no it's not, 12-1 is 2100 i just checked

[bold stream]

Wow! Yeah i can do 12-1!

[wind hazel]

i was wrong

[barren tapir]

next time ill remain trusting my memory uwu

[bold stream]

Thanks aurora! I just usually go map 2 and map 4

For cruiser and carrier!

[barren tapir]

also retrofitting laffey gives trp so 12-1 will help you reach 12-2

+40 torp over the retro tree but idk how far youve done her so far

[bold stream]

Thank you aurora and mori! Many thanks!

[wind hazel]

inb4 can't clear

[cobalt gate]

and remember only a week

[cobalt rapids]

you can also just put 2 of these bad boys and get ur torp req

[cobalt gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyxWfrZB36w here is an auto run but its so endgame

[cobalt rapids]

auto running hard EX is endgame stuff

if ure not there yet just manual

[viscid swift]

This survived long enough for zwei to get off 3 salvos

[barren tapir]

with enough manual i believe in them

[barren tapir]

tho real quick use adjust button to move musashi to flag and eldridge to middle slot

[cobalt gate]

btw can i switch gear between fleets in stronghold and monthly boss in opsi?

[atomic abyss]

which is why we say you only really need gear for 2 fleets

[cobalt gate]

you can't switch fleets for hard monthly right?

[cobalt rapids]

cannot, if u go switch it resets hp

[stark quiver]

you can switch gear tho

[cobalt gate]

yeah i don't think i need to farm d3 too much then

[cobalt rapids]

ideally u farm 1-3 hvars + the one from shop and milestones

[storm heron]

about 40k event points can get you 25 bp already

[cobalt gate]

yeah so i don't have to worry about that, just calculating how many points i need for shop

[storm heron]

+25 from milestone and the thing

[cobalt gate]

its 25 for milstone + shop i think

[kindred arrow]

Milestone and shop gives BPs for 1 full HVAR

[cobalt gate]

hmm i guess just 25k

[cobalt rapids]

up to u
like 2 hvars is the bare minimum

[cobalt gate]

yeah have 4 already so

[cobalt rapids]

then ure good lol

[cobalt gate]

yeah just buying what i need from shop

[kindred arrow]

Do get that second Skyraider

[cobalt gate]

i am still waiting for my 1st ld9 though

[grizzled sundial]

This is the first time i do york 2 event , how many gold rocket plane should i aim for ?

[cobalt rapids]

2-4

[cobalt gate]

any idea when we getting fate for pr6 ultra ships?

[atomic abyss]

we dont even have fate for DR5 or Agir

fates for DRs have always been random in order

Drake got hers before FdG did

[kindred arrow]

(Im kinda betting on us getting Brest before Agir)

[crimson glacier]

I'd say brest is better than agir atm in meta

[cobalt gate]

i even have the dr5 bp ready, not sure if i should get the bp for event just to exchange into proto

[flint cosmos]

Hey guys, is it just me or the drop rate of the HVAR seems to be... non-existed?

[atomic abyss]

it seems to be "fixed" back to normal

[cobalt gate]

possiby fixed the bug

i think it was like 3x last time

[flint cosmos]

What do you mean...?

[flint cosmos]

We only have one week this time, I don't feel so good...

[atomic abyss]

the drop rate in the initial run was bugged to be about 3x higher than normal

so it appears to have been fixed back to normal drop rate

tldr, no more boosted hvar drop rate for us

[keen sable]

sounds about right

[storm heron]

dev's decision

[flint cosmos]

So you mean, we are now stuck with "good luck with your half of time to farm for the gear that is one third of the drop rate?"

[atomic abyss]

no, it is the ACTUAL correct drop rate

welcome to the reason why we dont grind gear BPs from maps anymore

[keen sable]

welcome to the real world of drop farming

[inner delta]

anymore, as if you ever do it

[atomic abyss]

the original run is an exception and not the rule

[crimson glacier]

hvar is overrated anyway

[storm heron]

welcome to real world where not everything is square

[atomic abyss]

yuki, it was actually the ONLY way to get good gear for about a year or two

[barren tapir]

~0.14/run +-0.02

[atomic abyss]

opsi hasnt been around forever you know

[barren tapir]

currently i am 20 for 124 and feeling slighhtly lucky

[storm heron]

I wonder if ender farmed hvars back then...

[inner delta]

he doesnt play

[atomic abyss]

i wasnt playing back then

[keen sable]

sounds about right. don't be surprised if you need 200 runs

[barren tapir]

the average is 177 per

[atomic abyss]

i've quit more than a few times

and frankly im gonna legit laugh if yuki's predicition comes true

[shell willow]

which prediction?

[storm heron]

"as if you ever do it"

[clever lance]

Should enty be 125 if we use her with yk2?

[barren tapir]

probably something about hvar gearlab

[atomic abyss]

either HVAR gets powercrept/side graded or HVAR gets added to gear lab this month

[atomic abyss]

well if opsi/meta, yes

[barren tapir]

here's the thing tho, grinding now still probably saves you electronics and maybe t2 ords worth it for me at least

[shell willow]

as if i need those

[barren tapir]

right right, new player perspective haha

[atomic abyss]

from "new player perspective" BF109G is enough

[nocturne glade]

current event is eagle union tech right?

[barren tapir]

that was about electronics and ords being scarce. the hvar > bfg thing is a me thing specifically.

[cobalt gate]

i want ld9

[barren tapir]

how is the bfg and hvar dmg comparison anyway?

like how much % better on light

[cobalt rapids]

around 18%

[atomic abyss]

im assuming he means LA 9

[storm heron]

what about in med, la9 vs bfg

[cobalt rapids]

40-50% or so

[barren tapir]

oo so most of the benefit only comes if you +13 both, otherwise +13 bfg suffices

[cobalt rapids]

well new players shouldnt +13 bfg anymore anyway

[storm heron]

well I was about to argue bfg good and then got hit by 40-50% thingy

[cobalt rapids]

whats the point to +13 a gear thats massively crept by another

[barren tapir]

better to +13 hvar or bfg

[cobalt rapids]

hvar ofc

[barren tapir]

thats fair but la9 hard i need bfg this month

[storm heron]

what about skyraider to hvar in light

not a direct replacement but just wanna know

[barren tapir]

apparently

tho idk by how much%

[storm heron]

or is there any sheet like cheeky's damage comparison above but in numbers

[cobalt rapids]

like 26-30% or so

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BombSpread

[inner delta]

bfg is by far easier to get still the other option is garbage to farm

[cobalt rapids]

doesnt make it +13 worthy

just use it at +10

[barren tapir]

la9 also takes 3x the plates so i feel 1-2 bfg is still worth it situationally

[storm heron]

18% wont change much of a creeped weapon

[inner delta]

i mean new player doesn't just throw out +13 either

[sharp socket]

does fw a6 has heavy rockets?

[cobalt gate]

so how do we farm french tech box?

[cobalt rapids]

wdym

[brazen star]

bottom of the medal shop

[atomic abyss]

you dont, you buy them from medal shop or merit shop or coin shop

[cobalt gate]

wait its in the coin shop? never seem to notic

[atomic abyss]

random

medal shop is the only place it always appears in

[barren tapir]

this was my planned loadout for this month's CM, im pretty sure i will need the +13s

[cobalt gate]

oh so we only have blue version of it?

[storm heron]

anyways dorm not need food when used for morale right

[inner delta]

like the worthy for +13 thing, as like sure bfg is worse than the other option but its also much easier to get, hvar is at least you get 1 if you dont farm and you prolly gonna say at least get 3 but with the standard gear rate its also garbage to farm. then other option like LA is also takes long time to farm

[atomic abyss]

even if you needed the HVARs, the last thing i would do is place them on the weakest of the 3 carriers...

[storm heron]

I need to cut food ration

[sharp socket]

those syncs look too close together

[kindred arrow]

Errr I mean yes, you do not need food

[barren tapir]

that's for this month which is medium and it's only because i cant get 4 bfgs in time ender

[barren tapir]

i need sync for 10min

[atomic abyss]

cant you just use normal fighters for katsu

[atomic abyss]

yep

[barren tapir]

...katsu is medium

[atomic abyss]

you need to shoot down her planes anyways

[cobalt gate]

ok looking at medal shop now... the plates are way too expensive lol

[sharp socket]

well if all the syncs are basically equal i suppose that works

[cobalt rapids]

yes but being easier to get isnt rly a reason to +13 a gear
using bf at +10 doesnt make it bad
some1 who looks for best investment of their plates should wait
pr5 start > pr7 means even newbies can get their hands on 1 maybe 2 la-9
depends how things change with pr8 but till then we will see
also la9 will be also in protoshop next year

[sharp socket]

though i notice CM boss tends to sit at the corner of the screen

[barren tapir]

i have sandy

flap desyncs avp too much (0.19s gap)

[sharp socket]

tigercat/hornet

[barren tapir]

you need <0.05s to last ~8 mins

[cobalt gate]

but only 1 . wait next year?

[inner delta]

no yea, im just saying you prolly gonna get enough gold plate again when you get la or if casual then just all +10 is fine

[barren tapir]

thats just extra gearlab mats when i can use hvar tho. altho it's funny - hornet makes them all 21.69

[brazen star]

next cm u wanna hold 6/6 air strikes anyways

[cobalt rapids]

yea yuki but we have so many planes that are good for +13

[barren tapir]

but yeah this timing gives you me sync entire 10min

[barren tapir]

ye it's for this cm. next one i manual anyway

[brazen star]

o

[storm heron]

is next cm doable without manual?

[barren tapir]

ofc it is. but probably difficult for newer account

[brazen star]

depends on how many hvars u farm here

[barren tapir]

iirc suchi said newcastle particularly scales harshly the worse your account is

https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/february mid end being full rainbow bb / 5/6 rainbow ship is funny

[flint cosmos]

When you said "next year", you mean "2026" right? We just entered 2025 you know... It will be really long.

[cobalt rapids]

yes

considering the rate of gold plates planning that much in advance isnt a stretch

considering u can do like 5 rainbow pieces from 1 type ( gun/plane/aux/torp) per year if ure diligent in opsi

[barren tapir]

wellp i already +13 1 bfg but i guess i can hold off on the others unless i really need it

is saiun kai worth +13?

[atomic abyss]

this might blow your mind but

maybe just dont do CM?

[barren tapir]

i want to why shouldnt i go after my goals in this game

[supple verge]

in your opinion how would you rank best PR series ships from 1 to 7

[cobalt gate]

so bayard is just going to be in research soon right?

[inner delta]

cm isnt that hard to skip

[little tree]

Ender out here shattering hopes

[atomic abyss]

4 > 5 > 7 > 6
the rest can be coined so you dont do them

[inner delta]

ender, what that sentence mean is cm isn't that hard, you don't need to skip

[barren tapir]

again, i want to do cm?

[inner delta]

it isn't hard that you need to skip it

[cobalt rapids]

conv tb are worth +13 ofc
but how many depends on ur timing and setups
usually having 2 of each is good and flexible but maybe overkill
saiuns are rly good for helena syncing low tech
or 4 striking with high tech
ju /ryuu is for helena syncing mid tech to high tech and 3 striking
and vit2 are mostly for 3 striking

[atomic abyss]

i havent done a single CM to date lol

it's just a waste of time for minimal gain

[barren tapir]

i find them an enjoyable challenge to puzzle out and i like the feeling of accomplishment i get from it, whether i need to manual or not

[atomic abyss]

if you really wanted to minmax resource rush for better ships and gear to do CM, the direction shd be towards opsi not cm

[atomic abyss]

i dont get your question

[barren tapir]

besides campaign which im in no rush to speed through really, meta fight which i can 2shot pretty soon, and harby which i can probably kill either this month or starting next, cm is my only real "endgame" goal i care about beyond fleet tech/collection

i assure you i am already doing as much opsi as is humanly possible

[atomic abyss]

as people have said here many times

AL is a marathon, not a sprint

[storm heron]

me doing CM to collect all the 1 year collectibles

[barren tapir]

i do not understand why you feel the need to question my goals in the game.

[barren tapir]

i am well aware of this that's not reason not to try something.

this also really isnt gph related

[sharp socket]

w15 is a challenge to your planning ability, meta fights is a challenge to your cooking skill, CM is also challenge to your cooking skill

[atomic abyss]

im questioning the means to the goal, not the goal itself

[flint cosmos]

Sorry for interupting but, what is "CM"...?

[atomic abyss]

challenge mode

[storm heron]

1/100 M

[sharp socket]

all can be solved with 3 years of consecutive playtime is what people mean by "its a marathon not a sprint"

[storm heron]

1.5 years is enough imo

[barren tapir]

i am confident i can put up a good attempt at least to beat CMs considering i did warspite

[flint cosmos]

Right! Man I really forgot that mode exists.

[barren tapir]

obviously i will struggle more or less depending on how the CM helps or hinders my currently available strengths, but that is no reason not to put forth my best effort every month, as it is something i enjoy in a video game

[wind hazel]

it's literally a mode to challenge yourself

[barren tapir]

already took umi no neko's point of bfg into consideration

i will not be +13ing any more unless i am very close to beating it

[sharp socket]

casual player advice vs minmaxer

[blazing cedar]

Shikikans, how do I disable TB as secretary?

[storm heron]

uncheck the show special scretary in secretary list

[blazing cedar]

Tysm.

[dusky vale]

is the event worth farming or can i just get the rainbow plane and dip

[atomic abyss]

absolutely worth farming for the HVAR hellcat as well

[dusky vale]

😔 i was hoping you would say no because getting to d3 is such a pain since not everything is 1 time clear

[atomic abyss]

at the very least you shd get the free HVAR BPs in shop + milestone
the UR bulin in milestone

[dusky vale]

true

[storm heron]

how do I spend coins? any tip

[shell willow]

im stacking up to hard cap for new coinable PRs soon (unless you have them already)

[storm heron]

I got ytII already, I don't have any more ships to awaken, and stuff

[compact pilot]

is there an optimal way to conserve/obtain oil while trying to level ships to 120 and complete research xp farm?
build ships and level up modules

[atomic abyss]

cats

[storm heron]

ran out of good cats

[atomic abyss]

grind oil capped maps
so w12 outside events

[atomic abyss]

retros and research then

[storm heron]

Oh retros good point

[cobalt gate]

when is next pr anyway

[atomic abyss]

july

[crisp wraith]

Does doing CM again when I did the one from last year gives me any additional reward?

[storm heron]

thx thx gonna retros all those fodders

[compact pilot]

i'm not even up to w12 yet 😦

[crisp wraith]

Ty

[barren tapir]

i need help here too is it ok to just dump most of my coins into avp blueprint

[storm heron]

15 bps good

idk if beyond that is worth

[atomic abyss]

then your PR grind will never be efficient lol

PR grind is super inefficient before w12

[barren tapir]

im done with pulling this event and at coin softcap with like 100k oil to spend

i guess i can go retro random ships?

[compact pilot]

good to know, guess I'll go back to focussing on 2 fleets and push through into w12 then. I'm at w11 so it's not too much further

Got Monarch, Neptune and cheshire unlocked through research already xD

[storm heron]

hmm, u sure you don't have ships to awaken? or dockyard down payment, ply takes like 40k iirc

[flint cosmos]

My life changed when I got to the 12-4 and use that map to farm for anything, it's really worth it so do it ASAP

[barren tapir]

anyway i was thinking to do a bunch of avp bps since then i can get her and ancho both to fs5 faster

ply alr awaken to 120

one moment tho i can show my awakenable ships

nothing super fancy

ill just do all of these then, but im also lowish on cog chips

[storm heron]

fancy super fancy nevada cc z9 wakatsuki roma

[blazing cedar]

can you auto ch14?

[storm heron]

I can, idk about you

[blazing cedar]

can i see ur team?

[storm heron]

you can probably use anything you clear it with

[barren tapir]

ok did a bunch but now at 5k or so cogs, gotta save them for rumey avp sandy

[atomic abyss]

/w15 command exists, w15 fleets work for w14

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[barren tapir]

for rest of my coins ill just dump like half into bps and mlb a couple purples

[storm heron]

especially if you grind it down to safe yea

[blazing cedar]

cant seem to find guide for c14

[atomic abyss]

anything that works for 15 works for 14

[storm heron]

what if they don't have those ships though

w15 clear is a pretty high bar compared to 14 safe, so if you can't copy those, maybe we can recommend something based on what you have

[atomic abyss]

if your 14 is already at safe, it's a non issue

guy is almost certainly asking about 14 lethal

[storm heron]

I guess yeah I assumed they were asking auto safe haha

[barren tapir]

they can post their dock in a thread for personalized advice

[blazing cedar]

im a returnee. left during the chapter 14 post release months

[sharp socket]

i dont trust auto to work on w14 lethal, just manual select enemies until safe

[blazing cedar]

will it help if i post a thread with my dock?

[sharp socket]

yes that is the usual way

[blazing cedar]

gimme a sec

Help for Ch14 and 15 fleets (possible auto)

done. i have included ss of the dock.

[spark ridge]

how should z52 support skill be used, put with fast firing ship in the top of the main fleet, slow firing, or it just makes it important to sync the main fleet

[atomic abyss]

sync

[rare wyvern]

Are normal mode x5 stage rewards daily or one-time ?

[spark ridge]

what was that website for syncing

[wind hazel]

daily

[spark ridge]

ive never sync b4, idk how to do it lol, just vaugely know u equip faster or slower things to make things fire faster or slower lol

[wind hazel]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[atomic abyss]

if it's for BBs just give them the same gun
for CVs yeah you need a calc

[spark ridge]

hrmmm, i use a mix of both in my fleets lol

im assumning tahts very sub optimal

[rose cosmos]

Is wyvern mandatory for enterprise

[wind hazel]

no, as usual it depends on the fight

[rose cosmos]

If I strictly using her now for light opsi

[wind hazel]

you want to avoid wyvern

[atomic abyss]

then your TB shd be a conv TB for syncing

since your fighter slots will be locked

[rose cosmos]

So a vit-2 should work rite

[atomic abyss]

which vit-2, there's 2

[rose cosmos]

White vit-2

[atomic abyss]

no then

[atomic abyss]

^

which conv TB you use depends on the airstrike timings of the other carriers

[rose cosmos]

So aichis?

[wind hazel]

it's either saiun, ju87, ryusei, or blue vit2

what's a better name for pr7 vit2

or white vit2

[spark ridge]

vhite2

[atomic abyss]

aichi is the manufacturer, not the name of the plane

[cobalt rapids]

convit2

[atomic abyss]

it's called vit 2 mode change lel

[rose cosmos]

I guess this can do?

[atomic abyss]

where's the purple helldiver

[storm heron]

is rumey barrage centered?

[hollow gust]

Su-2 is technically better in light

[atomic abyss]

i just call it blue vit-2

[wind hazel]

put skyraider there

[rose cosmos]

Yeah I put that in because I read that on the guide while building

[plain saffron]

Vit2 2

[wind hazel]

that's vit4

[rose cosmos]

It's on amagi now though

[hollow gust]

Gonna need beacon too

[wind hazel]

what is your fleet

[plain saffron]

Vit 2 alter

[brazen star]

did you mean light opsi as in light armor or casual?

[rose cosmos]

Light armor yeah

[brazen star]

not sure what amagi is doin in light armor fleet

[wind hazel]

dont have many options, probably

[rose cosmos]

Wait she isn’t

[wind hazel]

nvm im totally wrong

[hollow gust]

Amagi is fine , not everyone has all the op choices

[brazen star]

then wheres the skyraider?

[wind hazel]

what is your fleet?? hard to make gear suggestion before knowing the rest

[barren tapir]

amagi probably still performs better than a lot of gold cvs on light

[rose cosmos]

Fleet builder still downloading

[barren tapir]

can use hvar and skyraider iirc

[copper ermine]

Should I go for nagato or hood using my medals?

[wind hazel]

hood if you still need beginner BB/BC

-# or tirpitz

[copper ermine]

My current strongest bb/bc's are nelson, Ritcheru, Friede, and prinz rupprecht.

[wind hazel]

can forget about hood then

[hollow gust]

You can honestly just use Richelieu and Nelson

[wind hazel]

pick whichever BB you need for faction tech

[hollow gust]

FDG is good if dev30 too, she replaces Richie

[rose cosmos]

Hold on I can’t find amagi cv on the fleet builder

[atomic abyss]

first row

maybe 2nd

[rose cosmos]

Wait what site is that, I’m using the fleet tool

[wind hazel]

you can use the search

unless you're still using old site

[atomic abyss]

that would be my guess

[atomic abyss]

it's still there....

which site are you using

[cobalt rapids]

xfujo

[boreal wagon]

probably the original rather than the fork

[atomic abyss]

@rose cosmoswhat site are you using lol

[hollow gust]

If you are using Amagi then it should be shinano Amagi slow

[wind hazel]

💀

[rose cosmos]

This one

[atomic abyss]

yeah that's the super outdated original version

[sharp socket]

use the renhex one

[atomic abyss]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/
this is the latest version of that

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

and this come from here

[rose cosmos]

Actually not related for a bit, I'm planning to do a mob fleet for 14-3 and 4, do these do the job

[atomic abyss]

throw an ASW plane for uni aux slot and it should work...?

[hollow gust]

Cheshire is doing nothing

[barren tapir]

it looks serviceable with some luck

[atomic abyss]

i have no idea why chesh is there admittedly

[rose cosmos]

I don't have any other tank

[hollow gust]

Z52 is right there

[barren tapir]

chesh is the odd one, she's not bad but she doesnt bring anything important

[rose cosmos]

Well I do have roon and euzen

Z52 is a tank?

[hollow gust]

She is tankier then Cheshire

[barren tapir]

z52 is your tank there yes

[hollow gust]

You even put her in the correct spot

[barren tapir]

probably unintentionally but yeah xd

[wind hazel]

preferably you have 457 for FDG too

[hollow gust]

If you have Sandy or ply they would be very strong options

[storm heron]

if I have a fleet of bz/uvh/rumey agir/hinden/z52, what IB ship can replace agir?

[barren tapir]

do you have any wyverns

[barren tapir]

is this some kind of faction fleet

because if so im 95% sure agir is the best option for that slot

[wind hazel]

Felix 🗣️

[rose cosmos]

It's on the boss fleet

[storm heron]

I chose agir for the armor break but then it's only 8% or smth

[atomic abyss]

emden

[barren tapir]

decent options is agir emden felix basically ig

[barren tapir]

where did ur hedgehog go lol

[atomic abyss]

yuudachi with rudder is the bigger issue

[barren tapir]

but that fleetwill work with appropriate gear i think looks mostly good. if you have 2 wyverns probably put 1 boss 1 mob?

im pretty sure they just mistake it used to be hedgehog

[hollow gust]

Laffey2 over yuudachi

[static sundial]

who should i use as a team or upgrade

[hollow gust]

Your purples

[rose cosmos]

Hedgehog?

[sharp socket]

take out guilio for unicorn

[rose cosmos]

Anyway as for boss fleet

[static sundial]

ok

[hollow gust]

Bye bye Helena

[barren tapir]

the big asw thing. you had it here ^

[rose cosmos]

Ah so it was at the right place then

[barren tapir]

yes you will typically want hedgehog on middle slot since it gives up a survivability aux

[wind hazel]

might be better to open a thread and post dock+gear

[rose cosmos]

Chapter 14

[lament ledge]

yorktown II good?

[atomic abyss]

UR so yes

[storm heron]

is there anything this fleet is good for?

[tame jungle]

being german

[cobalt gate]

are the time fuze gears worth making?

[storm heron]

I thought we have enough UR for german fleet, turns out it is just not good enough

[tame jungle]

nah the fleet is fine enough for all the content where strong fleets don't matter

[storm heron]

the only thing I can think of the usage is on north carolina but would you use her in place where it matters

[crimson glacier]

why would NC want it

[tame jungle]

NC

augment

[crimson glacier]

they gave that thing aug?

[tame jungle]

what's the point of this question

[atomic abyss]

torva how outdated are you

[storm heron]

well yeah, time to dip 🏃‍♂️

[atomic abyss]

NC aug was released months ago

[crimson glacier]

i havent paid attention to augs for a long time

[cobalt gate]

i see guess i'll save my materials then

[wary escarp]

arent the ships more specialised for light armor

[cobalt gate]

i wish they gave us more core

[crimson glacier]

why bother with them when they are never worth making

[wary escarp]

but ur gear is for med armor

[cobalt gate]

why are they so stingy with them

[atomic abyss]

torva stop cooking

[tame jungle]

resource management lane

[atomic abyss]

you're just plain wrong at this point

[elfin hollow]

What are the stats we should focus on for when levelling ships to 120?

[storm heron]

I mean yeah that fleet can do light too

[atomic abyss]

backline rld and hit

[cobalt gate]

i think anything other than hp

[crimson glacier]

ofc they are sometimes worth it but i cant be bothered to be dissapointed most of the time

[tame jungle]

backline offense
frontline survivability

[wispy star]

are there any must pulls this banner?

[crimson glacier]

no

[wary escarp]

ye i think it will perform way better against light armor tho, esp ulrich since her skill benefits heavily from a he gun compared to an ap gun

[crimson glacier]

the HE gun buff isnt that big of a deal

[drifting panther]

For the current event, I wanna farm a good amount of HVAR planes.
Does using the High-Efficiency Combat Logistics Plan also double the drop rate of said item?
Or is it better to not use it when farming for item drops?

[atomic abyss]

you are always recommended to pull for URs

[wary escarp]

fr? i swear 15% is p significant

[bold stream]

Hello all. Is the UR plane good for Rumey? Bomber planes dont usually rely on freeze or slow right? What about the hvar rockets?

[atomic abyss]

you shd use them
just bear in mind your gear drop rate has been unbuffed

[atomic abyss]

always depends on where you're using her

[crimson glacier]

all planes miss a lot more when target is moving

[drifting panther]

By unbuffed, you mean the High-Efficiency doesn't increase the drop of the items?

[atomic abyss]

as in

[crimson glacier]

it doesnt increase drop rate, its just doing 2 runs at once

drop rate is the same for both of the runs

[atomic abyss]

we do not have the enormously high drop rates for HVAR that we did in the original run

[quartz jungle]

You could try FdG/Ulrich/Fritz or GZ for W14 boss, with a similar vanguard setup

[tame jungle]

the first time this event came around, the drop rate was bugged for the HVAR hellcats, which resulted in way more print drops than intended

[atomic abyss]

torva could you at least try to find out what's happening before answering

[crimson glacier]

what are you even on about

[storm heron]

I don't think this can be competitive

[atomic abyss]

in the original run of this event, droprate for HVAR BPs were higher than normal

[crimson glacier]

read it slowly this time

[tame jungle]

torva's message is about the HELPs

[atomic abyss]

you are confusing 2 points

[crimson glacier]

pretty sure you are only one who is confused atm

[atomic abyss]

HELP is 1 thing

[rain vine]

Does using the High-Efficiency Combat Logistics Plan also double the drop rate of said item?

[crimson glacier]

help is only thing im talking about

[atomic abyss]

and i already answered that

im also making a second point

[tame jungle]

so to sum it up
HELP effectively doubles the amount of chance rolls
HVAR rates this event are normal

[atomic abyss]

that it's not worth overly grinding HVARs

because the drop rate isnt as good anymore

[storm heron]

haha yea, at least new addition made full IB not so bad as before on campaign

nah what I'm cooking probably won't even win against full BB fleet with a helena and ply

[drifting panther]

Ahhhhh, I see, I see.
Thank you very much.
Didn't even notice the drop rate was different from the first event.
Thank you for informing me
If the drop rate is bad, I'll just farm 2 or 3 planes. I'll use the HELP to make it faster

[atomic abyss]

help is used to speed up things ye

[crimson glacier]

i wonder if you can even get 3

it will take a lot of oil and time

[tame jungle]

keep in mind you get 1 guaranteed from milestone and event shop, so you'll "just" have to farm 1 more

[wary escarp]

idk bro, you can probs try to test it out and see how it competes with your current light armor fleet, but ya itll still work against medium armor

[storm heron]

I am now contemplating whether it is worth to spend 30k oil for a hvar

[tame jungle]

how many do you have

[atomic abyss]

it was never even worth farming that many even with the buffed drop

[quartz jungle]

You'd want it for the event point anyways no?

[atomic abyss]

2 is enough

[tame jungle]

i'm gonna get 2 and dip i think, already got the first

[atomic abyss]

5 is as much as you shd conceivably go for

[drifting panther]

I have around 6 before this event
I figured might as well farm 3 more for another fleet, just in case

[tame jungle]

i was asking doggo

[crimson glacier]

there is never a situation where that would happen

[atomic abyss]

just swap the gears...

[storm heron]

like 2 rn

[elfin hollow]

Elite fleet tech also affects all ships for that union, right?

[quartz jungle]

You've farmed 2 already?

[storm heron]

farmed almost 1 already

[crimson glacier]

tech affect all ships, faction is irrelevant

[tame jungle]

i'm assuming this includes the store prints?

[elfin hollow]

thanks!

[storm heron]

yeah include store print

[crimson glacier]

how many in store

[tame jungle]

there's 15 in store and 10 from milestone

[storm heron]

yea sorry for a bit onfusing, I got 22 prints already from farm

[tame jungle]

30k oil?

[storm heron]

actually I got only 15k oil spent so far, but I heard the average is 14%

it's alright, I will just farm and see what kind of stuff I can do with 5 hvars in total

I have to be strong

also nubi if you wanna know people's progress on hvar, there is a thread

[stone sluice]

How many hvar is recommended to have? 4? 5?

[tame jungle]

2

[crimson glacier]

hvars are rarely useful

[wind hazel]

max usage is 5 so far

[storm heron]

as much as you sanely can imo

[wind hazel]

but 2-3 is nice number to have

[storm heron]

oh yea do note that I got these 22 prints from 8 hours of playtime with around 45 HECLPs spent. It is estimated in the long run that a hvar is about 27k oil assuming uni ddg lowcost. I am not familiar with how useful this HVAR is, but I decided to farm and follow some people here. If you think this is worth your mail oil, your time, your HECLPs, and your sanity, you can try to get 5, but otherwise just farm normally and treat this event as any other event before

[stone sluice]

I’m close to 3, just wondering if the investment worths a 4th

[inner delta]

yes and no depend

[sharp socket]

is 4000 oil per hvar print worse than average

[storm heron]

that sounds bad

[atomic abyss]

extremely bad

[sharp socket]

[storm heron]

u sure u do not miscount? u sure u got S in boss fight?

[sharp socket]

im also 1:1'ing with helps

[wind hazel]

4k for 1 is... yeah

[brazen star]

1.9k is the avg with oil cap at .14

[sharp socket]

i use my crossfleet for boss so it gets S 100% of the time

[atomic abyss]

you're doing sth very wrong...

the curse of aquila huh

[shell willow]

im averaging 0.13 print per run (over like 170 runs) so 1 in 4k oil is terrible lol

[sharp socket]

this is my curse for getting aquila and yk2 in the same 10 pull

[worldly pewter]

as long as it is something in between 0.12 and 0.16 it should be the expected rate anything below or above is the exception

[elfin hollow]

is this even possible to beat

[late flame]

yes

[atomic abyss]

ofc it is

[tropic parcel]

of course

you'll need at least a couple of fleets of 120/125 ships and well developed subs, plus at least level 5 development

[elfin hollow]

What level will the siren in lv 7 be

[atomic abyss]

this is called arbiter

it is basically your level 7 boss

[tropic parcel]

its 125 on normal 127 or 128 on hard mode but its significantly easier then say the level 15 meta fight

[atomic abyss]

this isnt the hardest boss in opsi, that's hard arbiter

normal is easy

[tropic parcel]

both are fairly easy tbh, the trick is to use subs and to be at rank 7 powerup, as long as you have a semi competent fleet even the hard mode isn't that terrible

[left cedar]

easy for veterans with thousands of resourcers and gears and ships for

for a begginer that lack all them and have to one shoot meta with the 4 fleets avaliable its quite a challenge

[tropic parcel]

all is relative goes without saying

[brazen star]

no need to 1 shot normal. just go repair > c1 > grind it down

[left cedar]

my comment its about Harbiter

[tropic parcel]

f6f hvar is the boss drop right?

[atomic abyss]

elites and boss

boss drop is higher ofc

[tropic parcel]

hm then my luck is just abysmal, 0 drops in 20

[left cedar]

trust in heart of cards RNG

[tropic parcel]

its fine i can cope with having no yellow plane upgrade plates to use

[elfin hollow]

does this site save my progress, im scared to close my browser and I am about to leave https://retropaint.github.io/azur-lane-fleet-tech-tracker/

[warm flax]

Does logistic boost item print drop

[left cedar]

pretty sure that keep it

[wind hazel]

it only saves on your browser as cache

if you're worried, export it

[elfin hollow]

Thanks!

[elfin hollow]

Oohh, I didn't know that, ill check that out, ty!

[warm flax]

So rewards aren't doubled?

[left cedar]

its doubled, but chances are still the same

[atomic abyss]

it's calculated twice

[warm flax]

So it's still worth using

[left cedar]

2x just double the amount of runs u do in same time

[worldly pewter]

saves time

[warm flax]

I managed to save 300, so yeah I thought of blasting off this event

[left cedar]

its variable
if u have low amount of time avaliable to play, yeah its worth it
cuz it cost twice moral so ur ships it will be "tired" alot faster than it should normally

if u have time to play, without its better

[worldly pewter]

come onboard u are kinda little bit late to the party

[warm flax]

By the way when was w15 released

[left cedar]

1yish

iirc around november/december 2k23

[worldly pewter]

14 months ago

[warm flax]

That morale thing might suck yeah

[worldly pewter]

prepare ur dock
prepare ur 1:1
prepare ur xfleets

[thick pond]

how many HVAR is too much HVAR?

[worldly pewter]

7 is too many

[atomic abyss]

5 is more than enough

[warm flax]

My strat would be substituting unichang and indepyuan from time to time

[novel condor]

Why not get 10 instead

[warm flax]

Idk if 2nd floor can keep up though

[worldly pewter]

u want at least 3 fleets on 1:1

[warm flax]

Hm

[worldly pewter]

i use volga eld

[warm flax]

I could do that

Do you use a boss fleet

[worldly pewter]

sandy works too

[dreamy blade]

isn't eld a lot of oil

[warm flax]

Or just one

[worldly pewter]

1:1 is the boss fleet
the other is just cross and stat sticks

[atomic abyss]

eld is just 1 more oil than DDG

[warm flax]

I see

[atomic abyss]

same cost as a purple CL

[warm flax]

My friend told me to get 6 hvars

[dreamy blade]

Oh wow, but sandy is like 13 lol

[atomic abyss]

sandy has the same cost as a gold CL