gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

and shes basically free

[slender turtle]

Yeah just trying to get thr right vanguard for my amagi/shinano fleet lol

[raven canyon]

i dont even remember doing that event in the past but i some how got york 2 along with laffey amd hanman 2

[barren tapir]

kazagumo is just the best cos she does good dmg herself as well among other things iirc but ARA isnt something super exclusive

[raven canyon]

alright

[slender turtle]

I’ll just go back to 1 a day till wishing well i suppose lol

[fast steppe]

does anyone know what timings soumet stops at?

[keen sable]

the best vanguard is helena

[uncut wren]

Is It Better tò pull for yorktown or for Kronshtadt if i miss both of them?

[fair lance]

yorktown 2 won't be added to standard for like another year

[uncut wren]

Instead Kronshtadt Is available?

[fair lance]

She will be after maintenance yeah.

[soft raft]

Go for Yk2
Kron will be added to permanent pools and as such, can be exchangeable via the permanent UR pity

Of course, don't rush permanent UR Pity since it's better to save your cubes for later new URs

[turbid marsh]

My stan for best vanguard is z52 ❤️

[tawny ermine]

i better not have to spend another 400 cubes for yk2

[orchid bison]

how do i grind the stuff needed for these?

[fair lance]

research mainly I believe

You can farm them in war achieves but I wouldn't with a event coming up

[wind hazel]

just open T4 tech boxes

[barren tapir]

it comes from research. some event and warchive stages drop also. but your main source is good box rng

[keen sable]

You don't pull for permanent ur

[barren tapir]

apparently only 2 old events mb

[keen sable]

you go get a frontier medal and homing beacons instead

[barren tapir]

homing bacon for timing otherwise its worse than cata

[keen sable]

It probably isn't automated

Better than nothing and at least you need the homing beacon

[barren tapir]

are there more idk maybe but wiki is good enough to me

page last updated nov 2024

[eternal basalt]

That is not updated

[paper ridge]

Hello bois and gurls. Beginner here as usual, how is London compared to Portland ? Is it worth grinding ?

[wind hazel]

keep portland

[sharp echo]

this good?

[left cedar]

timming for BBs

[keen sable]

Different and no

[turbid marsh]

bis most of the times XD

[sharp echo]

damn, nice ok

what does it really do tho?

reduce cooldown of the very first BB fire?

[keen sable]

Abyssal refrain

[paper ridge]

So sad, oath skin is op

[keen sable]

Exactly

[sharp echo]

interesting

[patent raft]

What should i buy... Yorktown 2 is going to rerun but i don know either medal or the exp level book...

[left cedar]

thats why i say
Timming for BBs

[barren tapir]

waifu game, just cos a ship isnt good doesnt mean you cant waifu it

spoiler: like 90%+ ship arent good

well, good by meta

[wind hazel]

if you play daily, you won't have any issue in clearing the whole shop

[left cedar]

me with quite a amount of Purple, 2 or 3 Rares and 1 common Oath

[barren tapir]

many are viable/usable but wont ever see a place since there are stronger ships. such is the way

[keen sable]

Whatever you need

[paper ridge]

My brother had the bikini Dunkerque skin, I guess she's useless too ?

[patent raft]

Should i buy wisdom cube or t1 exp book or medal? That my choice only

[barren tapir]

how do you define useless? though yes, id consider her useless for endgame content, like most ships

[orchid bison]

I'm making a USN fleet and could use recs on what's good nowadays

[keen sable]

If you can do d3, cube

[barren tapir]

all, if you're even somewhat active you can sweep that shop. prioritize cubes maybe since event tomorrow

[patent raft]

Alright..

[left cedar]

fac fleets are bad, can make ur progress slower and harder

[wind hazel]

more like, cubes is always priority than medal or exp book...

[barren tapir]

it's also provide a great amount of accuracy stat for your bb, helps them be less blind

[orchid bison]

main reason is i'm going for Anchorage

[barren tapir]

nah if you need medal to get important things and it's the last day of the month and you can still sweep the shop i'd definitely say get the medals first

[wind hazel]

[paper ridge]

I think we have the same definition. I chose Colorado as a good mix between waifu and useful to start the game. And for now she delivers (I just need a gun for barrage and it doesn't drop)

[left cedar]

so is cuz u wanna farm CDC, them pratically anything can work in 12-1

[soft raft]

Unless you care about fleet tech, just slap together 3 USS Vanguards + 3 other ships and go grind your ass off

[keen sable]

San Diego, helena, and eldridge are still good. Although your eldridge maybe not so much

[left cedar]

from top of my head
Bremerton/Boise/SF
all them are +1 FP, Brem and SF for CAs, and +1 CL from Boise

[barren tapir]

also i can argue a use case for exp books too, for example if they help push you to reach oilcap much sooner again only because the event is easily sweepable otherwise i'd agree

[patent raft]

Welp, i brought all cube. Hope i got Yorktown 2

[paper ridge]

Is it worth grinding Ulrich archives to get 380mm IB gun ?

[stark quiver]

How good is Nakh as a main fleet in w15

[cobalt rapids]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[turbid marsh]

i think it is pretty good with souviet

[keen sable]

What are the chances the good ships are even 110...

[wind hazel]

i prefer being able to roll for UR

[barren tapir]

you don't need 110s to do 12-1

[orchid bison]

is it too late to get the wattage amplifer for eldrige?

[keen sable]

Why would you raise tech shit when sandy is right there

[barren tapir]

especially if you dont mind unicorn babysitting

[cobalt rapids]

or too early depending on ur perspective

[keen sable]

Spoken like a true ship master

[barren tapir]

ok sure, you listed good ship for usage, and akaeth listed good fleet tech ships. both are valid answers tho yes i'd prioritize the good ships if they arent 120

[lunar arrow]

After maintenance is Yorktown 2 event, and the call to army is 1 week before the next event starts, right?

[barren tapir]

if they still need to roll for UR then yes prioritize cubes

next event after yk2 should be lunar new year, i dont know if that gets cta but im leaning no

[soft raft]

CNY/LNY has no CTA

[barren tapir]

but after that is feb UR probably, which will have a cta yes

[soft raft]

JP Patchnotes have confirmed that the CNY event will be right after Yk2 rerun ends

[barren tapir]

oh, im cooked

[soft raft]

it's just a raid event
and the construction pool is on light

[cobalt rapids]

just sweep the banner in 40 tickets lol

[barren tapir]

maybe cooked*

also did blucher just vanish off the face of the planet

[cobalt rapids]

prob gonna be directly archived

[soft raft]

dunno
cuz Impero event was the same format as Blucher event but that reran

[lunar arrow]

When is Lunar new year, like last 2 weeks of January?

[wind hazel]

29th

i think

[soft raft]

yeah this year it's the 29th

[elfin hollow]

why does it feel like after the collab event, we're getting straight UR's on the upcoming events

[barren tapir]

gems

[lunar arrow]

So, there is a high possibility of 3 week event

[ivory pawn]

Cause we have. We’ll get a break after Yorkii.

[soft raft]

That's just simply a coincidence how the rerun schedule has shaked out so far alongside the new releases

[barren tapir]

another event isnt a break to me, i want ALL the ships

[soft raft]

"Nah, I'd 100% Collectoon"

[barren tapir]

also after lny is probably anew UR again, it does feel pretty quick

[cobalt rapids]

all LNY have been 2 weeks so far

[soft raft]

Last year's was 3 weeks

[elfin hollow]

so damn fast

[barren tapir]

tho this year's is likely to model 2023 16th to 30th? or are they always meant to leak into feb, since 2023's did (to feb 1)

[lunar arrow]

Time to open calendar

[mellow cape]

I'll finally have my 8 hvars loll. Then the next few reruns have no gear right?

[barren tapir]

ok every LNY so far seems to have at least ended in feb (2021 started in feb lol)

so it has a chance to last 3 weeks. i wouldnt guarantee it at all though

since only 2024 was 3 weeks

[lunar arrow]

23 January to 6 of February, my guess

[barren tapir]

they said right after yk2

[lunar arrow]

Oh, Yorktown ends on 16 and no dead week?

[mellow cape]

Oh do you have halford, aurora thought you were perma stuck rudder hunting

[barren tapir]

i havent seen the notes myself

[barren tapir]

1. how are those connected
2. yes i do have halford (not maxed)

[lunar arrow]

Waiting announcement

[mellow cape]

Cause weren't you on pr5 or something loll

[soft raft]

Only really Altvir (Tho dunno if Frostfall format events will rerun), Alsace/Mog, Unzen, Soyuz, and Guam/Laffey2 events for the shop gear

[barren tapir]

still am. halford is dev23 i dumped all my pr7 bps cos cute. she's a secretary and i headpat her hourly

[viscid swift]

yes, the JP Patch notes confirm Yorktown's 2 rerun will end on the 15th/16th depending on your timezone
that the Lunar New Year event starts the next Maintinence
and that the next Maintinence will be on the 15th/16th depending on your time zone

[mellow cape]

Tyty blaster

[barren tapir]

what was the gear cant find the maps on wiki but i didnt look super hard

[viscid swift]

what gear?

[barren tapir]

ohh it's in milestones nvm

thought you meant like bp drop style

[mellow cape]

Since I'm curious on your rudder rate, how many have you gotten since the last time

[atomic abyss]

That's rudde to ask here

[mellow cape]

lmaoo that was good

[atomic abyss]

Maybe ask in #al-general or sth

Or even #trophy-room if the rates are really stonks

[mellow cape]

True, I don't really see any talks about rates for other gold gear like rudder so I've been so curious

[keen sable]

It's bad and is what it is

[pseudo hearth]

Figured this would be the best place to ask; what are some fun fleets to run that aren't just the meta picks?

[keen sable]

Any fleet that doesn't die is fun. I don't like dying much. Ruins my stats.

[cobalt rapids]

#trophy-room message maybe u can ask people who farmed abit

[pseudo hearth]

True, although I was asking more so for a suggestion.

[left cedar]

are we talking about W12 ? so this gud ships MLB and lvl 70 with Uni there should be more than enough

sorry late answer, busied here

[barren tapir]

i hear faction fleets are fun and a couple gph peeps (or was it ectl peeps, i dont remember) even run them for fun in their off time

[keen sable]

No I meant you picked tech ships but the meta ships of helena and sandy probably aren't even 120 yet

I find pr cdc very not fun so faction fleets are out

[barren tapir]

you can try other themed fleets like collab fleets, haircolor fleets, boob size fleets (lol) and more. be creative if the objective is fun. consider themeing said fleet further using related gearskins. as long as it's actually functional for basic content (ch12, opsi mobbing, event farming) you're golden

[left cedar]

the pic he send dosnt show them, so why yould i assume the X or Y ship outside pic are or arent lvled

with the infos i have, and the wut i'm seeing, i assume that recomendations are valid to lvl

[keen sable]

Fair but if we look closely indy is higher. So either indy is 125 or helena and sandy still need 125

And yes I just raised the bar from 120 to 125

[paper ridge]

So here's my fleet (clearing ch8 currently) How far can I take it, what should I prepare changing first: Colorado Unicorn Saratoga Portland Laffey Duisburg

[keen sable]

12 mob

[paper ridge]

Cool

[keen sable]

You probably won't make it to 12 mob with just that though...

[paper ridge]

You mean a second fleet?

[left cedar]

with a decent boss fleet u can go all W12 ...
without probally u cant

[barren tapir]

begin working on a second fleet this event or around ch9-10

[paper ridge]

I'm currently livlig Sandy, Jeanne d'Arc and Helena, but I don't have much as main fleet, Ark royal, PoW

I also have a Shima but you told me no need for now

[barren tapir]

what's your medal shop like?

[slender turtle]

I know shimakaze got powercrept a bit, but I feel like shes still a crazy good torp DD to have if your new to the game lol

[barren tapir]

upcoming event has yk2 ofc (but you wont be able to mlb her i doubt) and hornet2 as event shop ship...she's a decent gold cv i suppose if you're lacking main fleeters and your medal shop is bad

[paper ridge]

I bought pow the other day in medal shop, now only dd available

[cobalt rapids]

if only she didnt eat UR bulins

[keen sable]

It's good nothing to do with that. You want yorkii or smkz?

[barren tapir]

the problem is inability to mlb her and UR bulins being much better spent elsewhere

if she didnt have that issue sure she'd be great. she is still a good ship the problem is opportunity cost

[paper ridge]

Yeah

[barren tapir]

well, hood wouldve been a better choice but she'll do i guess.

[keen sable]

Shima probably has a reasonably good rating on 14 and ex. Dunno about 15.

[paper ridge]

I can get hood with beginner thing soon

Or enterprise

[left cedar]

example
this if someone ask for a fleet to farm a Hindy or Nap ... would u say anything outside of this pic ?

[cobalt rapids]

enty over hood

[barren tapir]

ngl i didnt expect shima to be that low (relatively speaking) oof

[paper ridge]

I have yudachi

[keen sable]

There's nothing meta there because all kms lol but ova is good.

[left cedar]

yeah, cuz this is my account ...
so isnt gud, its a bit more than that

the thing is, i dont like to assume things by one pic and go saying lvl this or that without a better infos on it

[cobalt rapids]

yuudachi isnt worth her retrofit either

[barren tapir]

also not worth the opportunity cost (i only did cos she's cute and this is a waifu game, in reality i dont use her much at all atm)

good but not worth the cost unfortunately goes for a number of ships that are otherwise fine to use

[cobalt rapids]

unless u alr bought her RF item

[slender turtle]

No ye I agree with that, just wanted to point put she is still a good ship

[paper ridge]

So what second fleet to build

[keen sable]

You're being very picky by claiming helena and sandy are off pic. Yes we can't see their levels or ova level but its reasonable to assume not 120 or in the case of Uber meta ships not 125.

[cobalt rapids]

nelson ark enty talinn sandy helena

[barren tapir]

the main thing to note (since you already dropped her, we can ignore the opportunity cost of getting her to drop) is yuudachi's retro will set you back half a UR bulin which is quite a lot when you're new and struggling to keep up with URs (which lasts for quite some time)

the coin/retro bps is less a concern once you're in ch12, it's primarily the UR bulin cost and that yuudachi is good but alternatives for what she does exist while not costing that

[slender turtle]

While we’re talking about retrofits, is independence worth retrofitting to run with a eagle union fleet?

[mellow cape]

Wasnt there something about Sandy and just her augment without retro being viable?

[barren tapir]

she's worth it in general, amazing ship

[cobalt rapids]

ull get nelson and enty from rookies

[paper ridge]

Enty?

[cobalt rapids]

enterprise

[keen sable]

She's maybe worth retrofitting. Eu fleet plays almost zero bearing

[barren tapir]

correct, her augment is that fucking cracked. tho obviously her retro is still hugely important, but base sandy + aug is decent in her own right

[patent raft]

Which is better that save some. Buy new ship girls eagle union for increase more tech point or level up in the champions and fully limits break?

[paper ridge]

Enterprise I will take, nelson I inadvertently retired XD

I hate her ok

[slender turtle]

Could I run her with amagi/shinano? or is ark royal still my best best since I don’t have dev30 hakuy/implaccable

[paper ridge]

Wows trauma

[keen sable]

There's lots of stuff about sandy

[barren tapir]

independence is largely a mobbing focused cvl

[cobalt rapids]

then u can use richy but then theres alot of gold ships to mlb

[worldly pewter]

u don't do pr6 unless u know what u are doing

[barren tapir]

she's great in that role, and decent for ch14/15 boss (? maybe squish) but i wouldnt say shes a great bosser per se. she cant sync with anyone important afaik

[restive shale]

is vh armor plating worth on agir for the damage reduction boost on already heavy armor?

[spring topaz]

Mori was helping me with a new fleet to push W13 campaign. And I want to ask if anyone knows why to use Blackshell + Fire Control Radar and not White Shell on Musashi?

[patent raft]

So which one better pr ship girl that i need to research?

[slender turtle]

Maybe ill just keep ark with amagi, and have independence with my mushashi mobbing fleet ig lol

[barren tapir]

[cobalt rapids]

even if she synced her surface dmg isnt somethign to write home about

[paper ridge]

Say it's boss fleet ?

[keen sable]

Whichever resource you're richer in. Dock space, bulins, xp packs, time, cubes, medals, merits

[barren tapir]

is her being meh in w15 mob just because you really want a secondary healer or

[cobalt rapids]

yes kinda
ull want to rotate em in and out of mob to lvl up so u can maintain an average lvl anyway

[patent raft]

Cube and medal and merits

[keen sable]

Do you need to ask their discord

[worldly pewter]

u do pr4 for 4 ships and a tenrai then u move to either 5 or 7 depends on u

[barren tapir]

but anyhow indeps strengths are fast and desynced damage and good interception

[patent raft]

Right ok

[barren tapir]

her crossfleet buff is also poggert

[paper ridge]

So Jeanne d'Arc ain't worth shit? I use her instead of Laffey in opsi

[cobalt rapids]

yes the good secondary healers are higher rated
indep just like the ur dmg cvs is lower

[blazing cedar]

guys when will clemenceau rerun?

[slender turtle]

Yeah she seems great for 13-15 anti air, so im not relying on sandy soley to do everything lol

[cobalt rapids]

only usefull for lategame campaign
early on shes rly not that useful
shes also SR and eats gold bulins
but u got her mlb so use her now

[barren tapir]

jda only really useful for vg survival in high pressure content like ch14/15 if you lack eldridge retro

[keen sable]

But boss can be lazy so MBM boss is great for indy

[barren tapir]

sometime in the future

[restive shale]

what are the best acc for Agir if i already have beaver tag on someone else?

[frank pulsar]

sandys aa alone will not be enough for w15 anyways, and using a secondary healer over indep will reduce rng

[barren tapir]

vague guideline for order, note manjuu can just say no. but anyway, multiple reruns away

[frank pulsar]

best second aux? ice bomb or toolkit/usb/goldburn

[slender turtle]

Probably have a indep/mushashi/uni main fleet, sandy/shima/ wata vanguard

[cobalt rapids]

is juneaus AA alone enough for w15 boss ?

[restive shale]

Aux yeah-

[frank pulsar]

sounds dead

[slender turtle]

Or someone tankier than watarase probably XD

[runic cobalt]

Lil question, what does the file zones even do in opsi?, do they just give small rewards after defeating all sirens?, first time purchasing one and seems like the zones are infinite and spawn in any location after beating one

[frank pulsar]

shima is the problem not watarase, but yes someone tankier than watarase will be better

[paper ridge]

So no event with strong backline ur coming soon?

[barren tapir]

i dont think sandy is tanky enough to trust for w15 mobtank...imo. especially w/o secondary healing

[slender turtle]

Z52 instead? I have her mlb almost 125, and can have anchorage or azuma as tank?

[keen sable]

Ur design

[barren tapir]

yorktown 2 tomorrow lol what

[frank pulsar]

9th jan will have yorkii rerun

[keen sable]

What's yorkii?

[paper ridge]

Yorkii?

[barren tapir]

z52 should be able to mobtank ch15 yes

[frank pulsar]

ancho sandy z52 sounds good yea, if still not enough aa then youll need to use guam/laffii over ancho

[runic cobalt]

What does this mean exactly?

[frank pulsar]

ultra rare design plan

[paper ridge]

Ah a cv

[runic cobalt]

Oh so it has a chance to drop one after beating any random file zone?

[keen sable]

Material for making ur gear. You need 9 so how many file zones are there? 8?

[barren tapir]

something like that

[slender turtle]

I have ancho as tank in my boss fleet rn too, should I try and get away using noshiro or azuma? I have roon, but don’t have her augment atm

[keen sable]

Not chance. Guarantee

[worldly pewter]

yorktown

[runic cobalt]

Well i'm not getting none of them

[paper ridge]

Yeah, missed some messages, ty.

[barren tapir]

the classified logger file zones are one time things that guarantee UR print selector once completed + a whole bunch of gold plates and mats

[keen sable]

You need to finish one. Like 5 - 8 10 missions or something

[frank pulsar]

er
make z52 tank mob then, do you have anyone else other than watarase available for mob? if not just use watarase

[barren tapir]

each one has 10 runs to do giving rewards, the 10th run of the logger gives the print

[cobalt rapids]

maybe open a thread and post your dock instead @slender turtle

[runic cobalt]

So it's not infinite zones then? just reach a random amount to get the real rewards

[barren tapir]

if u have secondary healer i would hesitantly suggest z52 watarase sandy but it'd be kinda very risky with indep

[frank pulsar]

indep in boss would be better idea imho

[mellow cape]

Having maxed meow officers for op si is also pretty important for loot too loll

[keen sable]

We are talking about the ones in the exchange shop right? Not the reports you find randomly on maps

[runic cobalt]

Yeah the blue radars (8 of them) in the exchange shop

[paper ridge]

I'll soon have déveloped Roon, is she better than Tallin for my 2nd fleet?

[barren tapir]

just to be clear it's this

[keen sable]

There's 0 rng. It's all scripted and guaranteed

[runic cobalt]

Was searching for this tysm

[barren tapir]

well there's rng in the mats and plates you get, but the UR selector print is guaranteed

[slender turtle]

I can do that I think, how do I make a thread again? Do i need any special permissions?

[runic cobalt]

I suppose the corrosion level is random too no matter what file mission logger u buy

[barren tapir]

5 runs of c4, 4 runs of c5, 1 run of c6

[runic cobalt]

Ohh mb now i understand thanks

[elfin hollow]

What are these called and what do they give?

[barren tapir]

red chest? abyssals, they give gold gear print, gold mats, chance for UR gear print

[glossy granite]

How good is yorktown II nowadays

[keen sable]

UR good

[glossy granite]

She better than Fritz or shinano? or they completely diff ships in that category

[reef flume]

Best light armor carrier Ig

[glossy granite]

Hm, she the only great featured pull from the event gacha upcoming tomorrow?

[paper ridge]

Is the community tier list a relevant tool ?

[atomic abyss]

you are given 44 free rolls, so roll with those
also no, hornet 2 is pretty strong too, as far as non URs go

[atomic abyss]

for campaign up till w13, yes
anything else no

[glossy granite]

They did update it very recently but yea...

[paper ridge]

Wdym 44 free rolls

[paper ridge]

Thanks

[atomic abyss]

all event reruns give you free tickets to roll the gacha with

that total over 1 week + missions + event store is 44

[glossy granite]

I didnt know that wtf, prob because everytime theres been a UR it was always the newest 💀 when i played

[paper ridge]

So you need to clean the event to get those ?

[atomic abyss]

to get all 44 yeah ofc you need to do the event

you can get some without doing so ofc

[glossy granite]

Is it still worth going all in despite you get 44? Or again its all luck dependant

[atomic abyss]

you cant save the tickets so use them

[paper ridge]

First event I'll farm ig

[atomic abyss]

you should always farm events...

especially those that literally give you free URs...

[glossy granite]

You should lol

[atomic abyss]

beyond those 44? well if you only have 2 UR CVs at the moment, i would definitely go all in

[glossy granite]

And you are right, i only got Shinano and Fritz lol

[paper ridge]

I started at the end of the previous one so couldn't

[glossy granite]

Time to blow my 70K coins 🔥

How long will the maintenance be and what time?

[viscid swift]

check the patch notes in #game-news

[atomic abyss]

#game-news message

[frank pulsar]

does hinden bypass shields? idr

[glossy granite]

Oh its good, the maintanence will be tomorrow early morning for me

[soft raft]

only if she's using a second CA Gun instead of a AA Gun

[sharp token]

what's the difference between flapjack and tigercat? just the cost?

[atomic abyss]

that and the fact that flapjack is better at AA

[sharp token]

flapjack is cheaper?

[atomic abyss]

well in certain areas yes

[spring topaz]

If I am to farm a full plane's worth of prints before moving on from PR4 Focus, should I be buying something else with my prototype cores? Or do I just get 2 copies of the plane?

I.e can I cheat in the plane now with my prints, if I'm just going to be going for a second one? or nah

[jaunty blaze]

how to make it not red? SS detection and airspace

[atomic abyss]

ignore SS detection outside w14/15 really

if you're having issue in events, use a hedgehog on your mob fleet

for airspace use more carriers

[atomic abyss]

i would hold off 2nd since there's a chance tenrai gets added to gearlab soon

[jaunty blaze]

thanks

[keen sable]

You should use tickets first. Can you even hit guarantee?

[glossy granite]

i got like 90 something wisdom cubes

[keen sable]

So your strategy should probably be to wait until last day before using cubes and coins. You'll just need to make sure you have easy access to 100k or so

[stone sluice]

You can get more cubes from the shop by farming commissions

[jaunty blaze]

Who knows the method how to get akagi and kaga in level 3.4?

[cobalt rapids]

grind on repeat till you get em
preferably with a low cost fleet so you dont dump ur entire oil stock there
just fyi they are collection/tech only lvl

[undone plover]

0 LB Cassin + ranger works fine for 3-4

[jaunty blaze]

ok

[keen sable]

The best method is to not try

[novel solstice]

Roll well.

Seriously, it's RNG, so if you really want them, you just keep trying until you get them. Use the cheapest fleet that gets the job done if you don't have huge amounts of oil.

[paper ridge]

I got yudachi first clear of the stage

But yeah 3-4 nothing, I stopped trying after I read the beginner guide provided here.

What is the best tank currently?

[undone plover]

Overall napoli is tankiest
But not necessarily best tank

Best tank is a ship that is tanky enough for the content you are trying to do while providing utility/decent dps

[pseudo hearth]

What world are you at?

[paper ridge]

The new one IG, little enterprise

[loud rover]

Campaign world, not server

[pseudo hearth]

That's server. I meant world 3-x, 4-x, which?

Because the "Best Tank" for you to have is going to be dependent on how far you are.

[paper ridge]

Ha ok, no I was asking for late game

Rn I'm using Portland

[pseudo hearth]

Do you have her Retrofitted?

[paper ridge]

Yup

[undone plover]

portland is fine until ch12-13
once u get to chapter 12 u can start working on better options

a few good early options are agir and anchorage but u need to work on research and shipyard

u can check mebot's eHP spreadsheet for a general idea about how tanky each ship is
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit?gid=1231361331#gid=1231361331
but like I said tankiness is not everything

for example Eugen is tankier than portland but we recommend portland for ppl who start over eugen since she is cheaper and has much better dmg

a tank that is nothing but a meat shield is rarely a good choice

[pseudo hearth]

Portland will serve you good for a while. Most of the best tanks that are available to you are Research Ships, which you may or may not have either have enough tech to unlock the right ones, or the resources to bring them up to a usable level.

[bold salmon]

what Escort Fleet is in z1 skill?

[pseudo hearth]

Wdym?

[soft raft]

?

[undone plover]

they mean this

[bold salmon]

yes

[undone plover]

i assume it means the backline but idk tbh

[viscid swift]

in game it says vanguard

[bold salmon]

i see thanks

[soft raft]

ig that makes sense
cuz bb and cv are capital ships and they usually have cruisers and DDs escorting them in battlegroups

[ripe wadi]

hey guy i kinda want to move to play azur lane on pc which software do you guy use or the most easy one to use ?

[stark quiver]

Mumu

Or like ldplayer, blue stacks
Just your normal emulators

[shell willow]

i just swapped from ldplayer to mumu and the difference (in favor of mumu) is crazy

[ripe wadi]

hum oh okay i see thank you for tip i appreceiated

[stark quiver]

Who’s more tanky aurora or kazagumo

[dusk maple]

Aurora's buff stays after sinking

Wait, I read avrora

Both are pretty squishy, just use an actual tank

[stark quiver]

Well I’m choosing between who off tanks

[dusk maple]

Try both, see what works better

[vagrant steppe]

As a returning player should i be spending my oil pushing the campaign as much as possible or farm gear/ships in the war archives? (at 12-1)

[misty tree]

Light/Medium armor CV Rocket fleets with no Torpedo bombers dont need a slow support right?

Assuming Kear/York2/Fritz

[novel solstice]

There's an event starting tomorrow that you will want to farm.

[soft raft]

they dont really need a slow as much as Aimed TBs, but it would still be highly beneficial for consistency if they do

[misty tree]

And York2 only requires one of her planes as USS?

[novel solstice]

Also, the war archives is not generally a useful place to farm. The equipment you can get there is all outclassed by equipment you can get from farming opsi, and the ships you can get there are almost entirely obsoleted by newer event ships.

So it's worth farming war archives to pick up specific wifu that you want as secretary, and maybe to pick up some ironblood ships if you are short on ironbloods to unlock PR ships. But that's about it. So outside of events, you're going to be better off continuing to push forward in the main campaign.

[keen sable]

12+ xp + coins
Archives gear and ship drops + some xp and coins

[odd cedar]

how long does it take to farm opsi till u get osmething useful

[cobalt egret]

Yes

The long answer: you will be farming it for the rest of forever

[odd cedar]

so basically i can rely on events that i can farm a good gear from

[tame jungle]

how did you get that from their answer

[keen sable]

Less than a month

[hollow gust]

Farming event gear is a gigantic waste of time , most of it is shit compare to gearlab and research

The only gear worth farming so far is the HVAR

[slender turtle]

Do houshou’s and langley’s xp buffs work crossfleet or they have to be in same fleet?

[left cedar]

Is saint louis worth getting from shipyard?

[loud rover]

Good tech for Iris Libre

And her 120 gives EVA so you can get her if you want, not a priority

[hollow gust]

She got alot better post augment

[novel solstice]

The +Eva to heavy cruisers and CBs is really nice if you're at the point of farming for those +1s.

[paper ridge]

Hello again folks. Is Brest a viable endgame ship or is agir really the best research priority

[sweet delta]

According to the endgame tier list in /tierlist, brest is viable but aegir is overall better . And besides, aegir is easier to max out

[paper ridge]

Thank you

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[solar canopy]

Who should go first to limit break?

[undone plover]

how many UR bulins do u have/can get
also are these all your URs?
show all of them even who is MLB

[solar canopy]

I have this

[stone sluice]

I’d say Amagi CV and get the UR bullin from tomorrow’s rerun and mlb Alsace

[undone plover]

I would do Alsace > Amagi
then think about soyuz/rumey/yorktownII/z52

also for future reference u dont need to buy the UR bulins from the prototype shop until u need them

[midnight mortar]

How good is z52 special AA gun?

[solar canopy]

Hoo okay. I'm waiting for Yorktown II and Implacable. Are they better to take care of first than my current UR? Because my main CV fleet is: Hakuryuu, Shinano, AVP)

[undone plover]

this is according to mebot AA chart
compared to laffey II ghost
ofc this includes AA buffs and stat and everything
idk how to check the ghost AA itself

[undone plover]

YKII would be better vs light/medium
similar to fritz

amagi is best vs heavy but she significantly boosts your IJN carriers
u can also run triple IJN if u have eldridge and depend on her slow for a good number of fights. It would be much better than AvP vs heavy at least

U can probably get enough bulins by implacable's rerun anyway so dw about that

between amagi and fritz/ykii it depends you could ignore amagi and do both fritz and YKii first
I advise u do amagi first tho since she synergizes better with what u have

[hollow gust]

Amagi would almost always be first, Sakura does light and medium perfectly fine

[undone plover]

and soyuz would be good to MLB at some point as well but alsace is overall more useful I think unless u are close to dev30 nakhimov

[solar canopy]

Ahh okay, thanks for the enlightenment.

[runic lagoon]

One question about OS, should you use 2 fleets or should you use all 4?

Sorry if it sounds kinda weird, I’m new to it

[worldly pewter]

as many that let u finish it

if u can afford to use 4 u can set up 4 fleets

[undone plover]

I found ghost AA data in this wiki page
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine
search z52 and find the line that says AA

[runic lagoon]

I can make 3 strong ones but this is kinda my attempt at balancing the 4

[undone plover]

dont spread your best ships around
having 3 strong fleets is better than 4 mediocre fleets

also no reason for 2 mob fleets
if u want advice post what u have in a thread
but general opsi line up is like this

Mob: unicorn + 5 ships (FdG + uni + indep is good early on)
BB fleet: best 3 BB + agir, helena, plymouth
CV fleet: best 2 CV + best stopper/slower carrier (e.g amagi, shinano, implacable/AvP) + tank + ship with ARA skill (air raid assistance) for example kazagumo + dps/debuff/buff for last ship
last fleet can be another BB fleet, another CV fleet or fill with crossfleet

also check this for more details:
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding#opsi_fleet_comps

[turbid marsh]

not enough bulins for the godly z52?

[cobalt gate]

ugh enemy torpedoes so annoying

[barren tapir]

i'm sure enemies think your torpedos are annoying too 🤝

[hollow gust]

Z52 is useless if the fleet is bad

[runic lagoon]

I got a lot of URs at the same time… I’m working on rumey because I got her first

[turbid marsh]

Idk what I’m supposed to say to common sense, that statement can be said to most of the ships out there… I can’t even see if I’m supposed to argue or?

[turbid marsh]

Then focus on 1 mlb, then hop on to second.

[storm heron]

[fresh cape]

I wanna build a fleet around z52 because she looks so strong
Idk how I should make my fleet around her

[stark quiver]

depends what you wnna use the fleet for

[turbid marsh]

(But personally I think z52 will make a bad fleet so much better as it is the best vanguard)

[hollow gust]

Or you can level backline URs , she isn't as game changing as people make her to be

[rain vine]

you throw her in a fleet that can best use her strengths and is already strong

[hollow gust]

Literally treat her as a consistency upgrade , if your fleet is shit , then it remains shit

[stark quiver]

Z52 can’t fix a doomed fleet
And she’s a single vanguard ship, for a fleet to be good it requires more than 1 ship to be workable

Also is she really the best vanguard

[wet badge]

Between napoli and agir whos better at mobbing

[atomic abyss]

Agir is probably better for bossing cos of armour break, so ye nap

[hollow gust]

Nap

[forest palm]

Agir's AB is kind of crap these days

[wet badge]

Is d25 nap better than roon or anchorage

[atomic abyss]

D25 Nap is comparable to Agir

Miles better than roon, and around the same as ancho

[wet badge]

Wow

[atomic abyss]

The gap between roon and ancho is enormous

[hollow gust]

Survivability wise sure , but roon got a lot better

[atomic abyss]

You could squeeze in Eugen and Azuma in there

[wet badge]

Since i dont have any ur gear what gold gear should i put on napoli

[turbid marsh]

i still do not know what argument you are trying to have here... maybe its just me not understading... i think your fleet point doesn't counter or contradict what i said... i actually do agree with you that making a good fleet should be the start, and i basically say that z52 is a very nice addition.

[atomic abyss]

The standard stuff really

I don't really recommend prioritising rainbow guns for a tank CA to begin with

[stark quiver]

She just isn’t the best vanguard

[wet badge]

Should i use roon gun or her own gun for mobbing

[atomic abyss]

The only thing not standard about her is the fact she uses CL secondaries

[wet badge]

Do i use the ijn kai cl gun?

[hollow gust]

You are overhyping how good z52 , she isn't a game changer you make her to be

" (But personally I think z52 will make a bad fleet so much better as it is the best vanguard)"

often she isn't even the best vanguard to put in many fleet. Randomly recommending her is

[atomic abyss]

Cheshire gun if you don't want to think too much
Roon gun more generally applicable of the 2 imo
155 Kai is fine for secondary

[turbid marsh]

i think she is indeed very game changing for people who do not have the essential things, like most people who are asking for fleet building here, such as laffey2, eld kai, dev 30 plymouth and so on. she has good ehp, very good damage and barrage, can be secondary aa carry, good asw, good support damage as well. so i respect your point of her not being an above average ship, but i would disagree with your last statement.

[hollow gust]

She doesn't even fulfill the role eldkai and Laffey do

She can't match the sheer survivability and aa of Laffey , nor does she have the on proc slow of Eldridge

[stark quiver]

She doesn’t keep your ships alive like eld

[turbid marsh]

oh, i didn't know i worded my paragraph wrong. i meant that she is game changing for those who doesn't have those 2.

[hollow gust]

If you don't have them , then you don't have the ability those two provide, so you find other options.,

Eldridge can help your fleet against medium harby, z52 gets destroyed. Laffey can tank burst damage,Z52 is a sustain tank with heals. Z52 is very very good in the correct roles , otherwise you won't use her

[atomic abyss]

I'd compare her with Plymouth for the sake of simplicity
She is extremely good at the roles she does fill
But she isn't a miracle worker

[hollow gust]

If newbies need damage amp they won't use z52, they use Helena Sirius Kazegumo Aurora. Z52 is nice for veterans to do consistent runs

If they need a tank they use Anchorage and agir , z52 can't tank most harbys reliably as newer players don't have the damage to clear quick enough

[atomic abyss]

Like ply has high DPS against certain enemies
But she isn't gonna magically carry a BB team against heavy armour
Or is she gonna tank a particularly high damaging boss

Z52 is similar tho she can fill more roles

[hollow gust]

So as I said , overhyping her

[atomic abyss]

She is extremely good, like ply
But would she take priority over a UR backliner assuming they had barely any or none at all?
Nope

[turbid marsh]

if i remember correctly, she comes pretty close to aa and survivability of laffey, except for certain contents like ex stage. she has enough heals for allies as well, so i would still argue she has the good stuff from laffey2 and eld. while having good support damage and self dps. what i see in z52 is basically a all rounder, which is why i think she is one of, if not the best vanguard.

[atomic abyss]

A buffer is only as good as the ships they buff

[hollow gust]

That's just not true

[atomic abyss]

Her AA is nowhere close to Laffey2 even if it is very good

[cobalt egret]

but wouldn't her generalist nature mean that new players would value her more since they would be building one ship as opposed to several very different ships?

[turbid marsh]

oh i would definitely not put frontline over backlines for ur.

[atomic abyss]

^

[viscid swift]

Z52 isn't even primarily a buffer anyway

[hollow gust]

Laffey survives much much much better

[atomic abyss]

There's no point investing in her if she has nothing to support

[rain vine]

you need several different ships anyway

[viscid swift]

sure it's nice to have but 5% isn't that significant

[cobalt egret]

And new players wouldn't have laffey anyways

[atomic abyss]

That argument doesn't really apply to z52

[hollow gust]

They wont be able to level a z52 either

[cobalt egret]

Then why argue in favor of one impossibility over another?

[atomic abyss]

See, most URs are at least good in all content types

[hollow gust]

When it comes to ships like z52 you lower your expectations

[atomic abyss]

Moreso for backliners which are your DPS carries for most players

[atomic abyss]

So if I had to compare the bulin prio to say Rumey
Rumey is gonna take way more

And if you REALLY wanted to quibble

I don't recommend it but z52 is still relatively functional without mlb anyways
Similar to ply

In fact she can probably get away with lack of MLB more than ply since she doesn't have the 3rd gun mount on final LB

Both would lose out on the AoA tho

[turbid marsh]

i do see your point ender, though i still think z52 is one of the best frontlines, i think i did not consider the amount of rainbow bulins that specific person has and can get.

[dusky narwhal]

Yorktown 2 rerun is tomorrow right??

[turbid marsh]

i think i base my suggestion on campaign and meta, which makes my suggestion biased in a way.

[hollow gust]

There are way too many frontline buffers for a CV fleet , that pull off way better buffs, thats why i say she wont be in every fleet

[atomic abyss]

She is absolutely one of the best vanguards in the game
But that doesn't change the fundamental issue of the bulin economy for the average player that comes here

[hollow gust]

she isnt even that special for meta, she is a reliability buff

[atomic abyss]

Well, in about 14h

[hollow gust]

mogador can pull off the same thing, if your fleet is nowher near a 1 or 2 shot ,z52 changes absolutely nothing

if your fleet is 5% off oneshot consistently, then z52 can do something for you

[atomic abyss]

Unless they release a Helena with similar potency and better proc rate, I don't think this will change anytime soon

[hollow gust]

although im pretty sure moggy peaks higher then z52 , so yeaaah

[stark quiver]

Helena II

[atomic abyss]

There is a Baltimore class Helena so the possibility exists lol

[turbid marsh]

yes, meta wise i valued her too much based on taihoum, as she is on one of the top answers for one shot. i based my suggestion on generalist and meta.

[hollow gust]

[cobalt egret]

Helena 2 but the monkey's paw curls and she has to be run with Helena Meta and Lena or she's worse than Lena

[hollow gust]

so shes trash

two ships to proc one buff is

[cobalt egret]

Yeah but what if it's a 75% boost in damage taken for enemies

100% proc rate

[rigid onyx]

main fleet URs are more impactful to MLB than vanguards usually, but at the same time z52 is super versatile and really cheap to get to 95% of output, so you could probably justify them being your earlier limit broken URs. I'd still do fritz first

[atomic abyss]

Pls don't take it as us bashing on you
We're just pointing out the issues with such a recommendation

[dusky narwhal]

Implac should be next UR rerun right?

[atomic abyss]

After yk2? Yeah she's next

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming you mean backline URs more impactful

[rigid onyx]

yeah backline, main fleet

[atomic abyss]

You wrote frontline URs more impactful than vanguard that's why

[dusky narwhal]

Yeah I meant after her, she feels like the one I'm missing but I want Yorktown ii because she's pretty and it'd be nice to farm the planes

[atomic abyss]

Yeah impla is definitely more valuable

[dusky narwhal]

Especially because I just mlbed fritz rumey, she's only better than her at light bosses right? I forget why :p

[barren tapir]

has anyone run tests on how decent z52 is without mlb?

[rigid onyx]

fritz is probably the most versatile DPS cv

[turbid marsh]

me? oh ofc not. i haven't changed my mind on my opinion on z52, still think its the best vanguard, but i do realize recommendation should be more scenario based and not biased on just 2 or 3 contents/person based.

[weary gust]

Her loadout is mainly for fighters, which are not as good vs heavy but have targeted rocket fighters for med/light damage.

[atomic abyss]

Yk2 has access to skyraider while having many fighters
Fritz doesn't

[barren tapir]

also it's a bit early but assuming i have amagi and rumey mlb, and can mlb two of: z52, yk2, shinano, who should i mlb? (other context: i dont have kearsarge and wont anytime soon, i dont have eldkai or laffey2 but i do have plymouth)

[atomic abyss]

If fritz wants skyraider she instead loses half her rockets

[atomic abyss]

Probably nano, and I'd see the Feb/Mar UR

[turbid marsh]

shinano i would think. amagi and shinano pair pretty good

[dusky narwhal]

Ahh okay that makes sense well for mobbing in W15 which is better? Or is it close enough to where whatever you have leveled should be fine enough

[barren tapir]

just shinano or?

iirc i mathed if i skip one of the 3 i listed i can mlb both the feb UR and implacable rerun by like end of march ish

[atomic abyss]

Just nano first

Also no sushi?

[barren tapir]

bad time for her to run, right before collab i was interested in and at a time i didnt have a means to grind the necessary coins (in time)

[atomic abyss]

I'd say equal unless @hollow gust can assert that Rumey is outright better than Yk2 for W15

[weary gust]

Yk2 would be better for mobbing w15, Fritz is kind in the support fleet or not used at all atm for w15 afaik.

[barren tapir]

so z52 isnt worth yet for me is the general consensus?

[turbid marsh]

always prioritize backline carries than frontlines

[barren tapir]

the idea is i can mlb 2 of them, and still have enough for both feb and implacable

[hollow gust]

I mean just put fritzy in support

[atomic abyss]

I mean didn't you say she's one of the best campaign CVs

[barren tapir]

so i guess it's to save for may URs?

[turbid marsh]

i wouldn't touch yk2 if i were you just of yet...

[dusky narwhal]

Well I might level yk2 instead of z52

[barren tapir]

idk im just a bit surprised cos my vg selection is quite weak

[turbid marsh]

i mean tmr york2 is rerun, so might even get more york2 from tickets

[barren tapir]

my best vanguards are plymouth, sandy, and pinks

[atomic abyss]

And what's wrong with that?

Unless you have powerhouses like Unzen or Guam lying around

[barren tapir]

is it sufficient?

[untold beacon]

Should i be spending all of these as fast as posible on my main fleet? Im at 6-1

[turbid marsh]

in theory rumey is one of the best cv in campaign, but i dont use UR cv in w15...

[atomic abyss]

You always level up the skills of the ships you use or intend to use

[rigid onyx]

I mean ultimately nothing you do stunts your account growth; as long as you can do 12-4 and clear harbitor you get the same resources as everyone else in reality

[turbid marsh]

cl gun, magic ca gun, clears its hidden gauge thingi, can intercept planes very well...

[barren tapir]

at what point would i revisit the z52, question, and is she worth using at 1lb for support?

[atomic abyss]

I wouldn't bother unless 2 LB

[weary gust]

Her CL gun/CA gun won't be enough for the suicide boats in w14/w15 that are tanky.

[turbid marsh]

when your backline is ready.

[barren tapir]

is 2lb worth it

[atomic abyss]

Exactly

[barren tapir]

when is my backline ready

[atomic abyss]

I'd personally take the chance in your situation

I just wouldn't recommend it

[weary gust]

What is it aurora is trying to do?

[hollow gust]

You know the w15 comp with Percy in it , will prob replace Percy with Fritz

[barren tapir]

im just wondering who i should mlb if i can mlb 2 of these: shinano, yk2, z52

regardless of outcome i can guarantee mlbing feb + impla

[weary gust]

If you have a full UR backline I'd go with some frontline ships personally.

[turbid marsh]

yeah i get that, but compared to other cv she has advantage. thats all. i dont even use that much cv , but its been like a year since ive touched w15 so i thats just my hypothesis

[atomic abyss]

Just understand that for most players
Vanguards will be relatively lacking in terms of DPS powerhouses

[barren tapir]

what would help me most for stuff like harby and CM since i dont intend to progress campaign yet

[atomic abyss]

More backliners

[turbid marsh]

probably agir/anchorage...... for frontlines.

[barren tapir]

so then both shinano and yk2?

[weary gust]

Harby/CM are specific built, so more variety of backline to choose from along with gear will be the most important factor. Vanguard is usually just surviability/buff for those fights.

[spring bolt]

well z52 won't really help CM of this month lol

[barren tapir]

not this month, i have a lineup decided already. i mean in general for future use

[atomic abyss]

If you counted your bulins correctly

[barren tapir]

or should i just ignore her lol

[atomic abyss]

And you have enough for impla and Feb UR

[left nest]

I should keep these right?

[dusky narwhal]

I just thought about it but for front liners I should be okay right? Also if there's any really good gold not seen here please let me know because Idk the super rares like that

[atomic abyss]

Nano first, then yk2

[weary gust]

I mean as long as you have ancho/agir, helena, kazagumo, that's vanguard for 90% of bosses.

[barren tapir]

i suppose momo works as a budget z52 tbf

is yk2 worth it then

[spring bolt]

for future use i will definitely save all bulins and wait for new urs

[barren tapir]

maybe this wont be an issue anyway if i drop multiple going for hamm2

[weary gust]

If you don't have anything specific you're building for/wanting to do, you might as well just level all your URs and wait to limit break them as needed.

You're at the point you can carry them in w12.

[barren tapir]

yes i have z52 in my c1 fleet

[turbid marsh]

then just wait until york2 event finishes to see if you pull yok2 from tickets

cause york2 do not functions that well against medium heavy, and probably need kear.

[barren tapir]

well im definitely doing shinano as she is fox and everyone approves. but i'll wait til end of lny just in case i exchange another (if i like the lny ships)

[spring bolt]

yk2 is 100% "for future use": a uss freeze+strong damage dealer would make america great again

[barren tapir]

well obtaining yk2 is a guarantee, immediately investing in her is the question xd

[storm heron]

wait for new uss double fighter/double conv torp that has slow and can freeze with another uss slow, don't forget the additional crit damage on top of it

[barren tapir]

slow cap 80%

oh wait u mean new ship

[sweet delta]

Anything can be for future use then, like there could be a new ship who buffs bulins by over 9000%

[barren tapir]

new uss bb that buff uss bb damage by 200% making nj relevant again

[turbid marsh]

doesnt nj already is a uss buff ship?

[spring bolt]

stay tuned, coming to AL this April 1st

[barren tapir]

i suppose i should also mention my current cv comps would be avp shinano amagi on heavy, avp rumey amagi on medium, and nothing for light so yk2 may be good actually so i can do idk avp yk2 rumey for light cope

[storm heron]

likewise, ijn freeze + damage dealer would make the empire great again

[barren tapir]

do rockets need slow/freeze actually

[spring bolt]

nj's cv buff is crossfleet

[weary gust]

Not usually

[barren tapir]

cos otherwise i can use idk, enty over avp for light

[storm heron]

apparently they can miss

[stark quiver]

It would gaurenteed consistency

[barren tapir]

the dmg gain is probably big but idunno

[storm heron]

not need since some bosses wouldn't even move

[barren tapir]

either way i guess doing shinano and yk2 would round out all armors for me to at least a decent level

so that is a decent plan then? i would also like to prepare for newcastle

[stark quiver]

If you’re preparing for new castle then just do yk2

[barren tapir]

well not just newcastle, id also like to be prepared for all harbys so shinano is also good

[sweet merlin]

Who should i replace?

[undone plover]

I have seen ppl use YKII kear enty with NH2

I suppose if you had no implacable or she was in your IJN fleet

[undone plover]

amagi shinano (where is your haku ) fritz Eldridge, kazagumo unzen is a better CV fleet than what u have
helena goes in BB fleet

fleet 4 can be whatever, put your crossfleet stuff there if u want

also put more cats in your fleets

get plymouth as well and work on her for your BB fleet
and hinden is not dev30 so not good
replace her with someone else unless she is close to being ready

[clear osprey]

i need help building team for 10-1 i keep dying

[dusky vale]

how good is kron

[trim sparrow]

This is Nep’s gun right?

[atomic abyss]

Yes, though I'm slightly concerned how you have BPs for it...

[atomic abyss]

CB so good tank
Just not as good as existing permanent tank options like Anchorage and Agir

[trim sparrow]

Dont know either. I had 21 of them so i just exchanged bp for the rest

[atomic abyss]

I'm guessing it's from one of the random events that dropped it

[soft raft]

going off of the wiki, doesnt look like it's a map drop

[trim sparrow]

Im finally done with all PR now and i think im actually ready to hit w14. Can anyone send the best/safest fleet comp first run through?

I pretty much have everyone. And can get whoever i need to lvl125 easy if they arent already

[atomic abyss]

/w15 Anything that works for 15 works for 14

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[atomic abyss]

Tldr, Musashi is queen

[soft raft]

The Musashi/Aquila/UniKai hyper combo

[atomic abyss]

We need an Aquilaflox or sth

[trim sparrow]

Copy that thanks ill go over that guide

[trim sparrow]

Would that be the mob fleet?

[soft raft]

It's definitely up there

[jade ibex]

Is the IB UR CV good for w15 fleet or support?

[atomic abyss]

Better for support assuming you already have stuff like yk2

[jade ibex]

No yk2 tho

[atomic abyss]

Get her today/tmr then

[jade ibex]

Still worth at low affinity?

[atomic abyss]

What
Are you planning to rush w15 during event?

[jade ibex]

Honestly farm for H2

So i need sth that can farm on auto

[atomic abyss]

Farm the event first then

You should not be grinding campaign during event

Especially given this event has one of the best event map drops out there

[jade ibex]

So is it a fair replacement to yk2? I run impla indo lusty supp

[weary gust]

Lusty is 🚮

[undone plover]

he is talking about support fleet

[weary gust]

Oh. Then that's fine

[atomic abyss]

No he's talking about within w15 main fleet

In which no, fritz is just outright worse than yk2

[jade ibex]

All I needed to know, thank you!

[atomic abyss]

You'd use yk2 for your main fleet and fritz for support

If you don't have yk2 for your main fleet then fritz would almost certainly be better than what you had intended

[pale niche]

Which is better for mob between dive bomber and torp bomber?

[atomic abyss]

Usually dive unless anti air is an issue

Wyverns are preferred then

[storm heron]

both are fine, diversity is good

[humble summit]

just asking, since this yt2 is rerun, will the people that already have the rainbow weapon get it again?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[humble summit]

another question is should i get yuudachi

[soft raft]

She's not as urgent of a priority if you have Laffey 2, Mogador, and Z52

[humble summit]

i did not play any of those events before 😭

[storm heron]

by running 6-4? nahh

[atomic abyss]

Why are you crying
All the rainbow gear will be permanent eventually

[trim sparrow]

Is the w14 boss fleet going to need a healer cv as well? Or just 2 straight up dmg cv?

[storm heron]

just don't, yuudachi not even important

[atomic abyss]

2 dmg is better

[undone plover]

if your vanguard is tanky enough you wont need it

[near cargo]

Any good vanguard composition to clear W15?

[exotic pier]

has there ever been mention of item seperation? these eollectiables are getting outta hand

[undone plover]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[undone plover]

why are ppl suddenly clearing ch15, 5 hour before new event maintenance

[cobalt rapids]

Why not

[near cargo]

Cuz next event just a rerun

[undone plover]

should save oil to farm HVAR

[cobalt rapids]

What if they alr farmed hvar

[storm heron]

bold of you to assume they don't have 7 hvars

[weary gust]

Then they should farm more hvar

[undone plover]

~~farm more ~~

[trim sparrow]

Oh dang its the york2 rerun coming up? Was there a UR gear in her event?

[near cargo]

Also is it better to do Tank vanguard on W14 or full EVA vanguard?

[cobalt rapids]

Yes skyraider

All tanks in azur lane are eva tanks

[storm heron]

there's no such things as eva vanguard, just make sure they survive while doing enough damage

[humble summit]

oh it will be perma?

[undone plover]

for mob you tend to need asw
otherwise tank vanguard vs eva vanguard is not rly sth to think about
fulfill your asw requirements and run a good tank

[exotic pier]

doesn't it just get add to the gear lab the same time?

[trim sparrow]

Oh yeah nice i remember i was dumb and just did pulls for her event i didnt get the skyraider. Hell yea second chance

[atomic abyss]

Eventually
After the event gets perma
The gear tends to be added to gear lab later
That's what happened to the MK7
It got added a fair bit after NJ was perma

[exotic pier]

IC

[humble summit]

ic

[exotic pier]

do yall use the extra normal augments as fodder or you guys just upgrade them to elite tier

[humble summit]

i have done fritz and alsace mlb, do i do amagicv or z52 first

[weary gust]

Both

[near cargo]

This fleet is what I use for W14 yet it's still hard, they just can't survive 5 run

[humble summit]

i would like to build a second decent fleet

[undone plover]

it is lacking enough ASW 100%

[atomic abyss]

No asw so that's dying on 14-3/4

[weary gust]

Lacking ASW, lacking AA.

[atomic abyss]

Also probably not air superiority

[undone plover]

use laffey II, eldridge retrofit, san diego, or DDG

[near cargo]

I'm not even on 14-2 yet

[atomic abyss]

Amagi and Shinano

[undone plover]

make a thread
post your dock
easier that way

[storm heron]

hinden 5 atar 💀

[cobalt rapids]

If u cannot do 14-1 and 2 with asw u cannot touch 3 and 4

[humble summit]

then ill mlb shinano first cuz shes close?

[atomic abyss]

Dev 20 Hindy + Eugen
Surely you have better...

[undone plover]

it is 25 but yeah still not ideal

[atomic abyss]

Wait is that Regensburg too?

The vanguard is ass lol

[undone plover]

oh wait.... i always forget this
it could be 20

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[near cargo]

I don't have many good ships

[atomic abyss]

Then ignore w14

[weary gust]

You probably have more good ships than you think.

[near cargo]

Ppl expected to have everything hen asking here uh

[atomic abyss]

W14 and 15 are not trivial

[cobalt rapids]

You dont need many good ships u just need to make the best of what u have

[atomic abyss]

They're easily the hardest content in the game lol

[trim sparrow]

Is rikka any good in w14? I really like her its been a while since i actually fought with her

[weary gust]

W14 has some wiggle room for ship composition, not much for gear. W15 has no wiggle room on anything.

[atomic abyss]

Nothing particularly for or against her

[weary gust]

5 depth charges

[atomic abyss]

I don't see why she wouldn't work

[near cargo]

I guess I'll wait up if there'll be more fitting ship in future

[atomic abyss]

You almost certainly do

[trim sparrow]

Alright ill build my fleets after i get the sky raider. Right on guys

[cobalt rapids]

Or u can open s thread and post ur dock coz we cannot see ur options

[undone plover]

u could post your ships
we might be able to help u
no one said u need end game stuff

[atomic abyss]

If you have Owari, you probably have at least Unzen

[pale niche]

Ulrich and Z52 are the only UR I haven't mlb'd yet. Which do I work on first, and is yk2 higher priority if I get her?

[atomic abyss]

And a MLB Unzen would be way more useful than a d20 hindy

[weary gust]

Z52 is much better than Ulrich

[undone plover]

show all your URs
even the MLB ones

[atomic abyss]

Depends on all your other URs
MLB ones included

[near cargo]

I have numbers of UR but many not MLB, financial reason

[atomic abyss]

...that's because you're meant to limit break them with UR bulins

Which are time gated based on how much you play the game

[weary gust]

You don't need to play that much to get max spec cores per month ...

[atomic abyss]

Exactly

[atomic abyss]

But well if you barely play

I would say z52
He does have kears d30 so yk2 is still a fair shout tho

[rigid onyx]

As soon as you get past gacha UR reruns your UR bulin rate completely outpaces new UR income so just do z52 or y2 in any order. In like 4 months you'll never have a bulin issue again

[undone plover]

z52 can be more useful overall especially for ch15 since u are lacking guam and laffey II
YKii will be more useful for anti-medium/anti light bossing

[near cargo]

Ok so like, basically you also can't auto w14-15?

[rigid onyx]

you can

[undone plover]

you can with the correct setup

[turbid marsh]

w15 should be doable with pretty easy setup (gear wise)

[rigid onyx]

there's no real reason to focus on soley pushing c15 though, unless you want the 200 gems urgently

[sweet delta]

I autod mob with a 4 ship fleet

[near cargo]

Gear is my problem too, cuz I barely do opsi so can only make few from gear lab

[soft raft]

Tho of course your mileage may vary due to RNG
And I have a sneaking supsicion that poor FPS affects your AA output by eating AA ticks but that's a diff issue

[cobalt rapids]

You can auto w14 and 15 on lethal and u can 3* w14 and 15 on lethal

[undone plover]

was there an option to sort dock by oil cost or am I misremembering

[near cargo]

Main reason I want to do W14-15 is just cuz of New Orleans and Houston

[soft raft]

I dont think so

[undone plover]

if u post your ships we can give you specific advise that can be useful
we dont bite

[near cargo]

I'm afraid of being roasted

[cobalt rapids]

In a thread

[wind hazel]

you're not coffee bean, no one is gonna roast you

[plain saffron]

I will

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/690730973985374279.webp?size=56

[turbid marsh]

why are you afraid of being roasted in a ... help channel?

[stark quiver]

Gph has seen some stuff

[sinful escarp]

thats why i lurk here from time to time

[weary gust]

I mean some of your ships and gear might get called garbage but it's not often people end up being personally insulted.

[barren tapir]

don't be, that isn't allowed

[sweet delta]

This help channel roasts people sometimes

[barren tapir]

yes it sometimes happens intentionally or not ppl occasionally gravitate to being little shitheads. but it isn't allowed and would be cleaned up quick if pointed out

[storm heron]

there's a reason that sometimes this channel is called shameplayhelp

[barren tapir]

also ectl discord is like, significantly more likely to get you roasted

[sweet delta]

did you post your nana results there

[barren tapir]

no. im talking bout what ive seen just lurking lol

[storm heron]

aurora starts with a question

[barren tapir]

i've yet to receive a reply to my opener so i won't bother continuing

if ectl wishes to remain wrong, that's not my problem honestly

[weary gust]

Does cat reroll option reset on day change or after 24h since last

[barren tapir]

they didnt even gear her right

[wind hazel]

on daily reset

[storm heron]

has it always been that way?

[wind hazel]

i know cause i've been rerolling same cat since half a year ago

[cobalt rapids]

Day change

[vernal flume]

just got an ark royal drop，i sub out cesare i imagine for ark？

[south sequoia]

they havent even updated their site for 6 months wtf nvm

[cobalt rapids]

Its updated now

[turbid marsh]

what else do you have? there might be hidden gem in your dock that may be better than those 2 options

[south sequoia]

oh weird, not even amagis kit is enough to bring her up to tEX

[barren tapir]

they just did a big update yes, caught up on most things iirc

[cobalt rapids]

Yes thats fine, ull need more cvs to pass D stages avi requirements… if that is even feasible

[vernal flume]

ty neko god🙏my savior fr

[slow fox]

Eugen T5 tank mentioned

[turbid marsh]

oh, then i think ark is a good option.

[barren tapir]

they got momo gearing wrong too

[vernal flume]

ty

[forest palm]

Wichita Meta TN is a weird choice

[south sequoia]

this is probably a horrible idea kek but z52 and laffii should be bulky enough to let go of brest right

[viscid swift]

Maybe?

[fair tartan]

Will gear level get carried over during Gear R&D?

[forest palm]

it might work

[turbid marsh]

maybe mogami in the middle XD i think laffey and z52 should be fine. they are as tanky as cbs

[viscid swift]

I'd honestly be a bit concerned about ramming damage at that point

[viscid swift]

No but you get refunded 100% of the plates

[forest palm]

resets to 0 and you're refunded the plates, and 25% of the coin you spent

[weary gust]

Is Roon's new augment that good? They moved her to T0

[cobalt rapids]

Its a big boost to her dmg

[turbid marsh]

is that your opsi mob fleet? i personally think bb is not as fast of the clear compared to 3 cvl/cvs

[fair tartan]

Wait so it’s better than scraping the gear right?

[south sequoia]

it fixes her issue with her dps output

[barren tapir]

yes it's a large damage increase against all armor types

[south sequoia]

yep

[plain saffron]

Roon good now?

[barren tapir]

she's now properly a strong damaging CA option with reasonably portland bulk accessible to newer players

[cobalt rapids]

Always has been

[barren tapir]

sanrui better pathing though so roon still "overshadowed" technically

[south sequoia]

She just got herself up moved to higher priority for pr1

[viscid swift]

Well she is CA FP

[sweet delta]

[south sequoia]

and kms tech

[barren tapir]

what even is pr1 priority besides sanrui being the most logical/fitting option and providing a niche a newer player is unlikely to have filled tho

[cobalt rapids]

She was always top pick coz fdg tech before pr1 augs

[viscid swift]

hasn't really changed tbh

[forest palm]

Eugen still T5 🚮

[viscid swift]

as nice as all the augments have been the PR1 ships are still in a bit of an awkward spot of taking just too long to get up and running before they get replaced soonish

[barren tapir]

i mean all the augmented pr1 is more or less good but are they good enough to be worth obtaining...

sanrui -> newbie fleet triple uss vg, huge light dmg niche (ddgs take core data and spec core)

roon -> great dmg ca with ironblood tech

neptune -> great tank in general particularly in mob but still unimpressive damage output, arguable plymouth tech

ibuki -> very great preload brust damage for opsi mobbing and maybe other shit idk about

izumo -> generic good gold bb

[viscid swift]

about the huge damage against light armor, that's dependent on having a good CA HE gun none of which are that easy to get from a new player's perspective

[barren tapir]

you only NEED need one (for missions) so sanrui is kinda the easiest and most logical choice following newbie guide/fleet

fair...good light armor niche then as a bonus*

[viscid swift]

Unzen gun is event limited, and Algerie gun is locked to the gear lab and we know the average AL player's allergy to OpSi

[cobalt rapids]

Or just wait till divergent chessboard and do roon coz sanrui doesnt help ur tech department

[barren tapir]

roon makes the next most sense if you manage to go divergent for commander level, maybe. beyond that it's kinda on an 'if you need' basis which is mostly ibuki later on

[quartz jungle]

Tbf Algerie gun is very easy to craft

[viscid swift]

it's not the most difficult no but in the mean time it just makes Saint Louis that much weaker

[barren tapir]

divergent has the torpgating issue for D maps so it's not as easy as it looks on the surface, tbh. it slots in a bit better after ch12 realistically

[cobalt rapids]

The problem is later on ure coining other ships and u cant coin multiple gold ships at the same time

[viscid swift]

yeah and remember, PR5 PRs are gonna get coining soon

[barren tapir]

i agree roon is a very solid first pick but it's a bit surprising (or not, itmay be different people i dont recall) cos the last time this was debated sanrui was raised as the inarguable best and logical pick

[viscid swift]

best in terms of ease of getting

and not so much as which will give you the most benefit

[cobalt rapids]

Sanrui is easiest to get but also least impact

[barren tapir]

my true opinion remains i dont think you really go wrong by picking any of sanrui/roon/neptune depending on what you want from your pr1

[forest palm]

Roon is an absolute pain in the ass you have 23, K Class, and Leip

[viscid swift]

you also have Hipper, Deutschland, and Spee I guess

along with one of the other Zs

[cobalt rapids]

Anything works in 12-1 safe

[barren tapir]

sanrui is easiest but the value each pr1 gives is different so

[viscid swift]

that also reminds me, should be interesting to see the perma pool reshuffle this time

[barren tapir]

sanrui light dps, roon general dps and kms tech, and im still gonna argue neptune is a great mobtank that helps with hms tech

[storm heron]

if you follow sample fleet, by the time you can cdc grind roon sanrui is finished already

[cobalt rapids]

Nep is the best from the 3 but hardest, roon is inbetween and sanrui the worst

[barren tapir]

less good an option, for sure. but i kinda really needed a mobtank and anchorage tech took me quite some time, i am very happy with how nep slotted in for me

[forest palm]

HMS, and KMS tech are both ass, and an uphill battle in equal measure

[barren tapir]

it becomes a question on if you want it done sooner or if you want roon benefits more, i guess

[quartz jungle]

HMS ships are quite a bit easier to get

[barren tapir]

wait nep is the best?

easy hms ships are largely very low value vanguard ships so i'd disagree tbh

the plymouth tech grind was rough for me and that was WITH neptune (and 120ing lusty!)

[forest palm]

understand there's plenty of HMS ships but they give less tech per ship

[storm heron]

hey, shikikan! do you know ca acc and rld tech is good

[barren tapir]

a big point against pr5 first, honestly. actually getting ply is kinda an uphill battle

[cobalt rapids]

Low value tech, small faction pts and most often then not fodder

[forest palm]

meanwhile KMS is the exact opposite of that, and while that sounds good it's far from it

[viscid swift]

I'll have to check but I think of the 4 main factions, I have the least RN ships at 120

[barren tapir]

two sides of the same bad coin... uss supremacy

idk how ijn is, i havent really focused it yet soon though, probably

[viscid swift]

it's also a bit of a PIA

[cobalt rapids]

Ijn is often on the back burner so when u get to it ure halfway there

[viscid swift]

partly also why I'm against moving away from PR4 as the season to start on

[barren tapir]

between uss hms kms uss was easiest by quite a bit though

kms since i aimed for ruppy and didnt have bisko/tirp/roon i had to 120 z46 among other sufferings (i mean she's good tech, cute, and not a terrible ship, but i also grinded her to 120 from 105ish solely in c1, which WAS suffering).

hms speaks for itself, 120 neptune, 120 hood, 120 lusty, and a lot of junk mlbed

[cobalt rapids]

If newbies want to catchup focusing an archived season just isnt it

[viscid swift]

I'm not saying ship focus but rather gear focus on PR4

[barren tapir]

it goes both ways since gear catchup is also a concern

[viscid swift]

with any ship prints obtained being a bonus on the side

[barren tapir]

i need to swap to pr4 focus for half this month to get a saiun + 3rd bfg in time for katsu

[undone plover]

just protocore it

[cobalt rapids]

U can make so with protocore management and gearlab
You suffer abit midgame for longterm returns

[barren tapir]

that's including protocore, ive bought pr4 protocore this month + last 2 months xd. you do feel the downside of not focusing pr4 gear-wise if looking at shit like CM

[viscid swift]

you could but between relatively limited and time gated income for protocore after that inital burst and the probably high cost of PR4 gear in the lab

[cobalt rapids]

Yea but CM focus is not a newbie optimal focus

[barren tapir]

ive come around to fully agree pr4 for gear is probably better

[viscid swift]

I just do not see it being practical

[barren tapir]

CM is just an example, the gear is also helpful in opsi, arbiter, meta

[undone plover]

the problem is newbies will waste 6 months in pr4
if u are doing it u want to finish the tenrai
and they dont know/cant afford gear focus
I suppose u can finish halfway and protocore the rest but feels like a waste at that point

[quartz jungle]

125 Unicorn?

[barren tapir]

at the very least i would approve of pr5 focus but swapping to pr4 whenever you need pr4 gear while also protocoring pr4 gear as soon as humanly possible (ideally from month 1)

[barren tapir]

unicorn was a given tbh, i also had nelson 120 too

[viscid swift]

well we can to teach them to do gear focus and it'll help alleviate the coin issue a bit early on

[cobalt rapids]

You rly dont need that much gear from 4

[undone plover]

with gearlab and protocore u wont need to worry about gear
just get your wyvern later

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

it's not the wyverns I'm worried about

[barren tapir]

im not so sure gearlab suffices when early on you want 1-2 wyverns as priority

[viscid swift]

because pretty much all the prototype gear will need Ordinance reports

[barren tapir]

plus flaps, potentially a couple guns, and magtorps

[cobalt rapids]

Flaps are not a high prio

[viscid swift]

which I will argue after UR design planes are the scarcest material in OpSi

[undone plover]

u dont really need that unless u are speedrunning chapter 15
getting to ch12 is the priority then getting bossing gear for arbiters and abyssals

[barren tapir]

i feel like ive done pretty well for myself but still feeling the pr4 gear crunch now. this isnt counting the tenrai issue

[cobalt rapids]

Magtorps have like no conflicting mats

[near cargo]

Who should I prioritize to build?

[undone plover]

but that is cuase u dont have access to pr4 in gear lab

[barren tapir]

this debate wont be settled until we see how much pr4 actually costs when it's added

[storm heron]

how about waiting for gear lab update before deciding whether gear focus pr4 is better or not

lol

[viscid swift]

well we kind of can't

[barren tapir]

im just telling my own story about pr5 focus and the specific difficulties i encountered with it, since that adds another viewpoint i hope

[undone plover]

but i am bored
tbf it wont cost anything outrageous

[viscid swift]

in fact we've debating this since August pretty much because the of long term affects and implications

[barren tapir]

i swear ive been in 4-5 of these debates already

[undone plover]

no that is fair play
but your pain does give u the benefit of faster overall research
dont only focus on the negatives

[barren tapir]

what's with the name doggo

[storm heron]

I don't really care which is better as long they don't do PR1, 2, or 3

[cobalt rapids]

good for you

[barren tapir]

my pain gave me waifus, i wouldnt change how i did it lol. but the negatives are worth mentioning

[quartz jungle]

Alsace > Implacable > Unzen

[undone plover]

i personally prefer long term benefit
especially since the goal is to get to chapter 12 not chapter 15
but ik some ppl might advise otherwise

[near cargo]

I guess I'll just make a thread, and delete it if ppl being annoying in it

[barren tapir]

well none of research is important for getting to ch12

[undone plover]

if they make fun of you just them

[cobalt rapids]

long term being the returns in a few months and not years

[rigid onyx]

long term benefit is objectively correct considering that there is no progression advantage outside of minor oil gains (-40 oil from 1 shot meta fights!) once you can 4 fleet harby & can grind 12-4

[cobalt rapids]

yes, all the optimized late game content that people are mentiniong is actually benefitted more by the longterm strategy

[near cargo]

Help with fleet build for W14 and 15

[barren tapir]

true, you could argue i only experienced any downside to doing pr5 because i want to throw myself into CM before anyone would actually say i'm ready for it

[viscid swift]

well is it

[undone plover]

as long as u didnt +13 some niche gear for a CM then it is fine

[viscid swift]

certainly not for Campaign I'd argue

[barren tapir]

downside for cm specifically being having to pray i obtain all the pr4 gear i suddenly need for a good shot at this month's cm in time i'lladmit it's a very specific niche 'downside'

[undone plover]

pr4 is mainly CV gear
and I still maintain CV are not that crucial for bossing early on

[obsidian ivy]

Is there any actual reason to do CM

Or is it just for bragging rights?

[barren tapir]

would add 'can comfortably do healing c6 abyssals' to the list, but that comes before harby anyway

[grand solar]

Looking for gear that perhaps could benefit Pittsburgh?

[barren tapir]

bragging rights and some chat cosmetic things

[obsidian ivy]

Ah alright I missed nothing much then

[barren tapir]

huh

ok maybe this one is a 'not going for fdg' issue

[undone plover]

CV are more reliant on tech, good vanguard support and good gear and gold plates

[rigid onyx]

Triple CVs are more expensive than triple BBs fairly objectively gear-wise

[barren tapir]

bb are reliant on being UR and not all needing flag/being mobbing focused surprisingly hard

admittedly it might be biased by all the cvs we're getting and me having to skip musashi due to trash timing

[plain saffron]

I think gold BB with he gun can do fine

[undone plover]

shinano and hakuryuu is good but it takes some time to come online and getting 4 TB from gear lab is not that hard in the time it takes to get them working
1 wyvern costs the same as 3.5 junker

[quartz jungle]

Nah that's just not getting a bunch of UR BBs

[barren tapir]

i mean ruppy usually does top dmg in meta fight for me

but i fully expect that to change once i can field amagi+shinano+avp

[plain saffron]

Of course cv is better but need a lot more investment

That's why i just keep using BB fleet, no need to time

[barren tapir]

whenever i tried to field my best bbs together they all flop tbh

all 3 mob focus and all 3 really want flag, and all my other bb is significantly worse

each one individually as flag and solo performs very well but together are much worse than slotting in 2 cvs

[undone plover]

tbf I was in a similar boat
not starting with UR BB event is

[barren tapir]

dunno but that's been my general experience so far

[rigid onyx]

part of why BBs are so appealing is that triple +13 champy gun 'solves' mid/heavy bossing while the purple 406 is extremely strong vs light so you just have a solution to all bossing immediately for super cheap

CVs need like 6 TBs just for heavy, and a lot more rainbow gear

[plain saffron]

Use mob BB then wonder why dmg not as much

[barren tapir]

i dont have any good bossing bb

[undone plover]

which 3 CV and 3 BB did u use i am curious

[patent pivot]

BBs are cheap, CVs are better unless AA cucking or vanguards are limited or your poor

[quartz jungle]

I havr the opposite experience, started with Ulrich event lmao

[storm heron]

started with vanguard event

[quartz jungle]

Nah that's better

[rigid onyx]

less that BBs are cheap and more that CVs are super expensive & appreciate tech even more

[barren tapir]

my best bbs are ruppy nagato meta and yami, my best cvs are amagi and sara cvs take time to build im not arguing that, what im saying is for me ive consistently gotten best results in every content so far by doing 1bb+2cv until i can actually get meta teams up

[quartz jungle]

You got retrofit unicorn + 2 BBs

[storm heron]

tbh true, vanguard is like nj tier

[cobalt rapids]

ure comparing apple to oranges

ofc youre gonna have good results when u use rainbow cvs vs gold bbs

[quartz jungle]

Better, she was BiS for 3 BB until Alsace

[barren tapir]

and cv meta is happening much sooner, im 1 pull away from shinano and i'll have avp fs5 this month, and also have rumey nearly maxed and yk2 soon. i have multiple good bossing planes and the ability to +13 several this month

[barren tapir]

im saying im using the best overall of what i have, it doesnt matter what i dont have because i cannot use what i dont have lol

[undone plover]

i guess that is fair
I mean your starting events will determine your options that is true

[barren tapir]

starting with amagi automatically biased me to cvs, i hope that makes sense lol

[undone plover]

my point was just u are not missing much by skipping pr4
not like u are missing toolkit for vanguard

[rigid onyx]

tbh after pr4 gets added to gear lab pr7 will have the best gear to farm

[barren tapir]

also for cv buffer i got sirius really early from medal shop for neptune grind LOL