gameplay-help

[storm heron]

oh 1 is just the absolute cap for damage reduction, just like ulrich's

[barren tapir]

well yeah but if it was all multiplicative 1 would be near impossible to reach (outside base dmg hits of like 10 max)

so clearly torp specific reduction is additive to itself

[past sage]

possible its not just torp dr but is just normal dr, but is normally not noticable

[barren tapir]

my best guess is, specific source of dmg (torp/HE/AP etc) is additive to itself and multiplicative to generic DR (stuff like flag cover, shoukaku skill etc, or graf zep ironblood specific generic DR)

[stark quiver]

Like 0.2 or almost equal

[vale spindle]

/wiki damage calculations

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations

[storm heron]

I think soyuz's iceberg has 6s slow, and nakh launch planes that will freeze enemies when they pass the enemy

[frank pulsar]

oh
they were like 5s+ apart

[barren tapir]

nah u can definitely stack a really large amount of DR if u try iirc

ppl wouldve noticed if it was additive imo, like specific german synergies can reach 50%+ im pretty sure

[past sage]

ok true i forgot people actually use non-ur german ships

[barren tapir]

you can try like

musashi + shoukaku + yukikaze + z52 + z9 + some other backline with flag/main DR and see

thats 30%, 10%, 8%, 25%, 10% right there

[storm heron]

I mean flagship cover doesn't stack for sure right?

[vale spindle]

I dont think thats how multiplicative stacking works

[barren tapir]

flagship cover doesnt stack

yuki and z9 arent flagship cover

[storm heron]

like the calc I did? pi(1-dr%)

[barren tapir]

idk how it works i just figure if it truly was additive some nutter wouldve run a maximum funny tank fleet by now and shown it off

[agile harness]

for stage 13 and 14 which is better, saratoga or independence

[barren tapir]

we do have a video showing torp specific DR is additive with itself but thats it afaik

[vale spindle]

Oh im dum
this is counted as injure ratio by type on the damage calc page i sent earlier

So the percentages all add up since its the same type

or well all the torp ones do the universal ones mult stack on top of it

[barren tapir]

oh so i was right in my guess? specific DR is additive to itself and multiplicative with generic DR?

and generic DR is all multiplicative?

[vale spindle]

yes specific DR is additive and multiplicative with other DR including generic DR

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

indep probably better though since she has stagger and cross fleet support

[agile harness]

?

[storm heron]

indep

[barren tapir]

sara also has stagger

both good imo

[agile harness]

oh, independence

[barren tapir]

idk which is better but probably indep due to AA actually

[storm heron]

yeah independence, sorry short culture

[agile harness]

but what if i dont even have independence and i have sara with full retro

[barren tapir]

well get indep

sara retro aug should work fine tho, afaik shes rated pretty solidly on endgame tierlist for ch14

[vale spindle]

If theres an offensive buff then it can additively / multiplicatively cancel out with the same criteria too, like the example i mentioned with neptune (+AP dmg dealt) and mogami (AP dmg taken reduction), and mogami is under armor break

[agile harness]

the thing is that im saving the cores for when vanguard comes to the permanent shop to buy her UR gear

[barren tapir]

so if the enemy got +torp dmg% then that nullify strategy fails

[vale spindle]

not fails but its the best counter yes

[weary gust]

We have no idea when that will happen if ever.

[vale spindle]

its a better counter than +all dmg dealt lol

[agile harness]

this year lol

[storm heron]

shima's torp hasn't even been added, let alone vanguard who is archived after kron after shima

[barren tapir]

1. vg is far away
2. itll only cost 1500 if it even gets in there
3. can only buy one a month
4. you make like 2.5-3k per month + current event
5. dont gimp your ships waiting for it

[viscid swift]

yeah that

heck, we don't even know how many we'll be limited to buying/have

[vale spindle]

There's also a 3x core data event rn which helps a lot

[barren tapir]

i was gonna add "possibly limited to 2 max" but was unsure

[storm heron]

I see I see, time to prepare an argument

[barren tapir]

either way dont sit on core data, spend it on important gear

[storm heron]

thx for the damage reduction help

[vale spindle]

I could be wrong on that specific point don't sue me xd

[storm heron]

nah I will just refer to the wiki

[vale spindle]

the wiki formula is correct, my math might be wrong yes

[bleak nymph]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[vale spindle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations#Total_Modifier relevant section of the page btw

[stark quiver]

#bot-spam next time for personal commands pls

[bleak nymph]

Noted.

[agile harness]

ya but independence is for boss or mob fleets

[soft raft]

mob

[near oxide]

New player currently at player lvl 37 is this my best formation with what I have for progging the main campaign?

[keen sable]

it's not

[tropic tusk]

First laffey n Helena switch place

[keen sable]

i don't think you have a lot of choice but to restart two ships. drop shinano and ryuuhou for maryland and hiryuu

unless your medal shop has Hood in it

[fast steppe]

is an izumo gun worth +13ing for musashi

[keen sable]

anyone have medal shops for avrora lexington washington and enty?

[tropic tusk]

u mean medal shop for cv ships?

[ivory pawn]

Lil Enty is BB DD.

[keen sable]

whatever the two hulls are

[tropic tusk]

i only got cl and bb this month

[pallid robin]

coming from a relative new player, your current fleet is okay for now. But look to replace shinano with an elite BB/CV which you can max limit break very easily. Ryouhou is OKAY but you will have 2 healers and less DPS so you can replace her too after getting a good BB/CV. Unicorn is very good and with retrofit you will field her until late game.

[fast steppe]

any timing wizards know how to make haku just slightly slower/ark slightly faster

fulmar makes ark too fast saiun+cata on haku is .4 diff

[wind hazel]

swap plane

[storm heron]

well haku slightly slower just put black vit

[fast steppe]

no black vit

[stark quiver]

Swap planes until it matches up

[storm heron]

have you tried ark double ryuusei beacon? or ark double saiun manjuu?

[wind hazel]

link me your setup

[fast steppe]

the fleet code?

[wind hazel]

yes the share link

[storm heron]

it's the evening syncing competition, as usual

[fast steppe]

https://mrlar.dev/s/a38e919402cfbfbbca2a1b70090da7d3cbff84b5

actually i'm trying mcclusky looks short enough

but i can't remember if i have one

[storm heron]

what tech was it?

[fast steppe]

nope i don't

8 rld

[storm heron]

isn't this good enough?

[fast steppe]

shouldn't ark be going first tho

[storm heron]

alright

[fast steppe]

or does it not matter

[storm heron]

idk actually, I usually just put them in the middle if possible

does this work?

0.03 diff for 33 airstrikes

[wind hazel]

wait why do you want ark to go first

[fast steppe]

for the slow

[wind hazel]

you want her to go 2nd no?

[fast steppe]

idk

[storm heron]

or this, ark 2nd

[sweet delta]

I want ark to go anywhere 1th to 3th

[stark quiver]

1th

[fast steppe]

if going 2nd is fine then ig i'l just stick with this then

[storm heron]

?

sure I guess

[fast steppe]

weird, ark's somehow going last

[storm heron]

check affection and levels

[slim dawn]

I want a new Submarine fleet, is Archerfish, Flasher and Leonardo ok?\

[storm heron]

and retrofit nodes

[fast steppe]

ark enty haku all 100 affection

enty's 124 else 125

and ark's refit nodes are all done

ik it's not supposed to be accurate but even the game reckons enty reloads slower

[stone sluice]

Atcherfish, Flasher and Albacore

[eternal moth]

if the timing difference is less than .05 it's random who will go first. Is Ark top or bottom? Because I'm guessing she's top, which I THINK has priority

[storm heron]

[fast steppe]

wtf

oh enty's flag

[eternal moth]

That should give her priority over anyone, so I don't know

[fast steppe]

bruh

[storm heron]

yeah flag->top->bottom

also I assume no crossfleet or cats?

[slim dawn]

albacore?

💀

[fast steppe]

that can affect it as well? shit

[sharp socket]

cats have rld talent that can affect it

in lars calc i just dont bother with adding cats and just add rld as tech

[storm heron]

well then it's very possible as hamaal said, they all ended up having the same rld, and flag takes prio then top then bot

[eternal moth]

Flasher flag, Archer, Alba is one of the top fleets, but replacing Alba with LdV shouldn't be that much lower

[storm heron]

[slim dawn]

ok ok thanks

[soft raft]

What tech did Langley 2 give again? RLD?

[rain vine]

avi +1

[storm heron]

defo not rld

[wind hazel]

i believe alba is the better flag

[soft raft]

Damn
Oh well, I somehow scrapped her anyways

But how come she isn't RLD tech if Indep is? They're both the same class

[stark quiver]

How do you scrap Langley 2 💀

[storm heron]

pretty sure a lot of ship can be made that argument

oh yea independence class all gives rld

[wind hazel]

jacinto hit :doro:

[dreamy blade]

just got a 4th rainbow bulin so was wondering what my priority should be between z52/fritz/yk2, im done with ch13 and havent tried ch14 if that makes a difference

uhh the only gold+ ships i have that arent shown are cheshire, theseus, and a bunch of metas

[sweet delta]

Fritz Rumey fr

[dreamy blade]

would yk2 be next after that? i guess that also depends what we're getting

[sweet delta]

You can't afford all of Yorkii, February new UR(s), and implacable unless you're too lucky. So don't max Yorkii immediately

[stark quiver]

when i have 4 low cost farming fleets, aside from 3 ddgs, whats likely to be the 4th vanguard

[dreamy blade]

oh is implacable rerun due soon? definitely need her

[sweet delta]

Next ur rerun after yorkii

[wind hazel]

leander

[storm heron]

I can only think of javelin, laffey, z23

leander costs... 8?

[stark quiver]

lemme see if i have one

i scrapped all of them

[storm heron]

wait how is leander cheaper than ddg

[wind hazel]

common base

[stark quiver]

i mean i have a 120 laffey

[soft raft]

Next UR in line to rerun
On paper it is also the next event in general to rerun, weren't it for Blucher rerun still not happening

[storm heron]

idk if leipzig's gonna work

juneau good too

[stark quiver]

ima stick to laff

[storm heron]

they are T2, same cost as ddg

[past sage]

honestly just pick any dd with a good gun lol

i was using wakatsuki during the toloveru event because i had to level her and it was good enough for the moment

[storm heron]

yea I honestly don't mind picking a better dd since I am limited on time, not oil

[stark quiver]

z52 for low cost

[wind hazel]

nahhhhh

[past sage]

then just 3x missiles and like yuudachi or kitakaze

[storm heron]

in that case poikai, akizukis, l'audaciux, nana

[wind hazel]

defeat the entire purpose of low cost

[storm heron]

but it's just 1 more expensive

[stark quiver]

1 more than 0

[thin nova]

this gun good?

[storm heron]

couldn't be that bad, right? right?

[past sage]

i didnt mean all in one fleet i meant as the vanguards to the 4x fleets theyre setting up

[storm heron]

20 to 21

[stark quiver]

good for german pr6 dd if you dont have plygun

[wind hazel]

it still defeat the purpose of low cost

[thin nova]

oh

[past sage]

for you, maybe; personally i define low-cost as "1-1 fleet" even if the ships are questionably expensive

[storm heron]

I mean with that argument how is max ranger + ddg or uni + max mahan

[wind hazel]

they are planning to do 24/7 grind with the low cost

[sweet delta]

zuihou comet is 19

[stark quiver]

unless lvl 80 comet works
im cooked

[wind hazel]

just go with laffey

[storm heron]

Uni maxmahan 18 but I'm not sure how is it compared to zuihou comet

[sweet delta]

fr fr laffey is cheaper and better than halford

[storm heron]

oh wait forget the context of not enough unis

[stark quiver]

i have a maxed ranger if that helps

[lucid hamlet]

Useful? If so what ships work well with it

[jaunty vault]

any CA

[tawny ermine]

how good is z52 for damage?

boss damage that is

[jaunty vault]

transitional CA gun before you tap into limited/research/gearlab equips

[storm heron]

good actually idk how good it's gonna be, but REGAL prelim is that she falls short off plymouth for light, but beat her in med a bit and heavy significantly

[lucid hamlet]

Worth using on takao?

[tawny ermine]

awsome cause im building her up to replace anchy cause i just need a bit more damage to beat normal on challange mode

[tropic tusk]

u will be using that gun for a while

[jaunty vault]

takao is a CA so yes

now whether it's worth using takao or not is a different question

[past sage]

last i checked it was basically plymouth damage

[storm heron]

that's just personal damage, damage contribution wise 5% universal buff is good, stacks multiplicatively with other buff

[past sage]

which should be on-tier or higher than plymouth contribution

so like plymouth damage

[pallid robin]

Does fighter intercept have a firing rate?

[storm heron]

you can look under the usual firing rate in-game

[pallid robin]

So they can only do intercept based on their firing rate... then we launch the same fighter planes for damage?

[lucid hamlet]

Any of these i should try to build

[pallid robin]

portland is good.

[storm heron]

apparently yea, so if some reason there were no planes before, and then shortly before launch our carriers need to send planes for intercept, the same fighters are gonna be relaunch for the actual airstrike

[lucid hamlet]

Currently building her

[tawny ermine]

what weapons are ca main guns? i need to put on on fritz

[storm heron]

and yeah all planes during airstrike intercepts if they have AA

[pallid robin]

so incase of rumey. I have same intercept and launch firing rate if i go double fighters?

[past sage]

should be, yea

[storm heron]

yeah assuming those are fighters that can intercept

[storm heron]

those are CL main guns

[storm heron]

are you familiar with the (newbie) guide?

[tawny ermine]

then how am i meant to do this part of the skill then

[lucid hamlet]

Which one

[storm heron]

the one in /guide

[pallid robin]

launched fighters have AA too right? so, rumey will have like 16 AA fighters in the air at the same time?

[storm heron]

those are automatic, she just has a built in CA main gun

[tawny ermine]

ohh i read it wrong yeah it sais it gains a spexial ca main gun, not if it has one my bad

[storm heron]

yes she could

[tawny ermine]

what aa guns CL main gun should i put on her then? and what torb should i put on z52

[storm heron]

iirc you are in 12-4, so 155mm kai for fritz and quad mags for z52
Putting a staag or haze is better though for fights where enemy is far away (single target boss fight like maihou)

[tawny ermine]

this one right?

[pallid robin]

but overloading AA intercept is also kindia of bad right? does using different fighters for desyncing the AA intercept work?

[storm heron]

idr if kai or not kai is better tbh

all I remember is PR6 felix's CL gun ~= plygun

[tawny ermine]

alright well ill keep that on its the only 155mm i have and is this the right quad mag

or is it the other quad mag thats better

[stark quiver]

this ones better

[storm heron]

this quad mag is better cause it's improved

[tawny ermine]

alright cool so i didnt need to change anything then

so i just need to lvl up z52 and fritz a little bit more then try normal again

[storm heron]

Idk if desyncing fighter intercept significantly increase your survivability

[tawny ermine]

no idea what to name z52 tho any ideas?

[storm heron]

it's different than desycing airstrike cause while enemy waves comes 1 by 1, enemy planes can continuously come in small stream or in 1 big chunk released by some enemy CV elites

[storm heron]

name what?

[tawny ermine]

z52, just married her

ive got sandy, anchy and fritzy but z52y doesnt role off the tongue well

[wind hazel]

wife52

[tawny ermine]

i was thinking gambling addiction cause of the skin but i was like maybe not

[pallid robin]

Maybe this is not a big deal since I can NOT really find anything about desyncing AA aircrafts and sort of maintaining AA plane up time.

[storm heron]

yeah just use good fighters like the flapjacks, or for support fleet skyrocket and fockewolf works for budget options

[strange sphinx]

oh well I got ply gun, Should I focus Plymouth now?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[clever lance]

Are there optimal fleets that can beat all the abyssal fortresses/bosses/enforcers without having to rest/regroup?

[past sage]

optimal specifically for those? probably not like tested except maybe arbiter

[viral flicker]

How to make her better

[past sage]

realistically you want good fleets with high levels for the bosses and the fortresses just want a good healer and a lot of tank in the frontline

[clever lance]

You’re missing a MLB on her. I think that’d make a huge difference

[storm heron]

yes there are, a lot combinations, although a bit restricted, do work

[viral flicker]

Just need one more bulin

[clever lance]

Did you already buy with Portocores?

[barren tapir]

did you already finish cruise pass

[past sage]

-max limit break
-japanese gun like twin410kai (although that gun might be jp so it might work)
-STAAG aa gun

• leveled to +13 equipment

[atomic abyss]

410 Kai better than the gun used

[clever lance]

This is what I’m running right now… just blindly using one fleet to farm exp and then one BB and one CV fleet

[atomic abyss]

No AvP?

[clever lance]

Currently working on napoli

[atomic abyss]

Possible but requires high end gear/comps

[storm heron]

I mean if you want your mob fleet to be one-for-all omni fleet with no manual heals needed, ships you can level is limited

[atomic abyss]

Stop then

August is much more important

[clever lance]

Avp>napoli?

[tawny ermine]

anything i can do to get the other 8 bars of hp? my only guess is to get z52 to mlb but i need another bulin for it which i dont have

[past sage]

Ark royal could work i guess

[atomic abyss]

Your CV comp damage is halved without her freeze

[viral flicker]

@zenith heron @past sage can u two send ss of the gun of how it looks

[past sage]

August is good because her stop is useful

[atomic abyss]

Napoli is "just another tank"

A really good one, but you have Agir and Anchorage who are more easily accessible

[past sage]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_410mm_(3rd_Year_Type)_Kai

[past sage]

and anchorage is coin which is much better at the moment (if starved for resources)

[tawny ermine]

yeah i have avp but not mlb yet

ohh wait she is mlb just not lvl 5 dev lvl

[storm heron]

do you not have any other options than z52? also if it's only 9% damage increase you need, maybe some solutions like making your sync better or using better auxes will work

[atomic abyss]

Use Enterprise instead of Sara...

Would help with conceal more, would also deal more damage with average rng

[viral flicker]

Don't have it and can't craft

[fleet spoke]

Can anyone suggest what urs to MLB next? I have 13 bulins to use. And I know a rerun is coming soon.

[tawny ermine]

sara and enterprise both do pretty much the same damage for me

[atomic abyss]

Enty scales better with good gear, Sara ain't as good on bosses

[tawny ermine]

sadly i dont have many better options

[viral flicker]

Albedo got more bulins then me

[clever lance]

Do I use avp with shinano and amagi?

[tawny ermine]

ill give it a shot with ente and see how close it is or if i do it

[atomic abyss]

Musashi and Amagi

[storm heron]

honestly probably fixing your sync could be better, too

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[past sage]

anything from sakura that isn’t beehive honestly

[atomic abyss]

Then use the regular purple twin 410 from Sakura boxes

[clever lance]

Are we only able to buy one proto tenrai from the monthly shop?

[tawny ermine]

whats this bosses ability? cause i dont see anything that i need to sync

[wind hazel]

50 blueprints, no more no less, no refresh

[tawny ermine]

unlike last months boss where it will nuke my backline if i let it shoot

[wind hazel]

it has shield

[storm heron]

you have a helena there

[tawny ermine]

yeah im using her

[wind hazel]

pretty much gimmick is using vanguard to break shield so that backline can do damage to it

[storm heron]

depending on what you use, you could use shorter alternatives to deal more damage with helena

[fast steppe]

is it just me or do purple aux plates get used up super fast

[storm heron]

yeah, at least for the first 6 months

[past sage]

it’ll fix itself eventually, just go buy some from like the guild shop or whatever

[tawny ermine]

well im testing out ente rn and seeing how it goes

[clever lance]

I’ve got 5 UR bulins… was working on musashi before z52 and fritz came out. Now YKii is in the pipeline as well.. who should I prioritize?

[atomic abyss]

Finish up Musashi and stop there

[keen sable]

musashi. committing is committing

[atomic abyss]

Unless you already have another 4 bulins beyond the 2 going to be used for Musashi

[clever lance]

I have exactly 5 bulins until the end of the month til I get more cores to be able to buy a 6th UR bulin

[atomic abyss]

So just MLB Musashi and stop
Come back and ask when you do have that last bulin

[tropic tusk]

no need to buy them if ur not going to use them , they take up space , just keep those points as u can buy as many as u need in 1 go anyway

[clever lance]

When I said I have the bulins I meant I have enough points to be able to buy that many. I’m actually only holding one bulin

[wind hazel]

when you forgot to equip your cv with plane, what do they launch on their airstrike?

[clever lance]

Would Eldridge and AVP be the best ships to focus building to compliment my current box?

[tropic tusk]

plane with no dmg

[keen sable]

default gear

[wind hazel]

i see

[atomic abyss]

Stock gear yeah
Basically min rarity planes at +0

[wind hazel]

... what's the default gear on fritz

[atomic abyss]

It's probably a grey BF109 and Ju-87 DB

[keen sable]

probably something bad

[atomic abyss]

No not the rocket

[storm heron]

the bombless fighter

[dusky dirge]

how to get many cubes

[keen sable]

play the game

now's a good time...

[storm heron]

save up and prioritize cube comissions

[tropic tusk]

daily 1 pull (its part of daily mission)

[past sage]

if on light it’s just a free 200 coin but is not cube positive

[tropic tusk]

mission is do 1 pull give u 1 cube and light cost 1 cube. if u dont do it u dont get a cube , but if u do it u get a free pull

[atomic abyss]

getting more cubes/oil is a matter of resource management really

[tropic tusk]

so if u dont pull ur just missing out a possible new ship

[past sage]

yea but it’s not saving cubes for a banner which is what most people think of when they ask how to get cubes

like me doing my 1 free light pull a day doesn’t affect my chances of getting and of the event ships in a couple days

[tropic tusk]

u still got other daily mission that gives u cube , also comms

if im not wrong u get like 3-4 cubes per day on daily mission

[past sage]

yea those are the nice ones but you bringing up the 1 daily pull is nearly irrelevant

[keen sable]

limit of one daily pull unless necessary

[tropic tusk]

im just saying dont forget to do pull since its basically "free"

if u really want to "grind" cube and u have the time to do it just spam opsi c1 and see if they spawn cube comms

[keen sable]

it's fine to forget although those who forget probably "forgot" to do a whole bunch of other missions too. basically back to they didn't play the game.

[storm heron]

I also feel that around this time urgent comission suddenly show up a ton

[tropic tusk]

yea probly cause of the event thats going on

keep getting 1h urgent com

[wind hazel]

i didnt get them

[tropic tusk]

like after 3x loop on w12-4 i get like 4-6

[wind hazel]

that's called being lucky

[past sage]

mog should be whatever gives FP, no?

[atomic abyss]

why would mog be unsure?
it's clearly been swords since day 1

[stark quiver]

Z52 has high gun eff, so she’s gun based

[storm heron]

eh? prettu sure mogador is sword all this time

[tropic tusk]

everyday since the event?

[wind hazel]

what event?

[storm heron]

I thought it because she likes fp

[atomic abyss]

gun based DD always use swords

[tropic tusk]

the com ticket thingy

[keen sable]

i hate 1h. i like 2h, 4h, 8h red ones

[atomic abyss]

mog is a gun based DD

[stark quiver]

Sword = gun
Hammer = torp

[tropic tusk]

i dont mind getting 1h as ill be clicking them every 5 min

[wind hazel]

they have zero influence on what commissions you might get...

[keen sable]

because where mog is used, she absolutely needs to hit the stab

[tropic tusk]

i mean maybe cause of that event they made com spawn more

[wind hazel]

no

[atomic abyss]

no thats not how it works

[fervent niche]

does z52 replace eldy retro?

[atomic abyss]

different roles so no

[tropic tusk]

then im just insanely lucky

[vale spindle]

@atomic abyss ectl updated fix the bot command to say thats its updated now

[fervent niche]

dang

[wind hazel]

pogchamp ectl revived from the dead

[vale spindle]

[fervent niche]

me no smart, can you explain the different roles

[wind hazel]

not even TEX gg noob ship

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

eldridge is a slow and tank support
z52 does almost everything, DPS, AA, buff support, tank

[atomic abyss]

halford damage is piss

and the new bug is only making her worse

[crimson glacier]

how is nakihimov in ex

[fervent niche]

so eldy can slow ships?

[vale spindle]

ask in their server

[storm heron]

oh because of her bug she is worse than laffey

[crimson glacier]

i have never seen anyone use her or recommend her

[vale spindle]

yes, read her skills

[atomic abyss]

torva you're barely in this channel at this point

[wind hazel]

wdym nobody uses her...

[atomic abyss]

no shit you havent seen her being recommended

[crimson glacier]

so educate me

[knotty garnet]

Its a new year miracle that the tier list updated

[crimson glacier]

this place is for questions and theres the question

[vale spindle]

when paired with soyuz or tashkent retrofit, she has a guaranteed stop

[atomic abyss]

she is one of the highest DPS carriers, while also being really good at slow/freeze

[vale spindle]

combined with normal rainbow carrier numbers

[barren tapir]

i mean without her bug i would say halford is a bit better than starters

so t1 technically makes sense (realistically starters should be t3 or t4 and halford t2 or t3 tho)

[atomic abyss]

she currently is used in the best anti light and anti med comps

[barren tapir]

with her bug halford should be t4 at best but they might not know shes bugged yet

[vale spindle]

so you get big damage + stop compared to implac who is just stop

[crimson glacier]

with imp you just get better fleet in general

[vale spindle]

the caveat being you have to pair her with a russian ship that applies a slow, and the only rainbow one is soyuz

[atomic abyss]

my dude what are you smoking

[vale spindle]

without soyuz shes basically just haku but different plane loadout

[jaunty blaze]

Who will help me assemble a formation of ships? I don't understand how to assemble

[atomic abyss]

even without a russian team mate, she still has a 60% slow which is as good as ark/eld

[crimson glacier]

where did that 60% get ark royal

[vale spindle]

[storm heron]

it's hard to see what's going on when half of the things went missing

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

if you're new, refer to this

[crimson glacier]

its a joke anyway to have basically every decent BB in EX while for CVs its just completely random

[atomic abyss]

you go and question them then

why do you think i havent taken them seriously in a while

[wispy cosmos]

what's the bug

[crimson glacier]

planes spawn from her and not from backline or something

no time to target enemies so they do nothing idk

[storm heron]

a link to the video showing the bug, https://youtu.be/QVUTKyTR5KA?si=3iuO7bhsbWWlE44k

[rigid onyx]

I think she broke when he new skin was released

[knotty garnet]

its been well documented now that ever since december she's been bugged

[atomic abyss]

Halford's planes, both from her skill and from her equipped seaplane, spawn from herself. On auto, most of the time she is too close to the enemy. Airplane weapons take 1.5s to become activated, by which time Halford's planes have already flown off-screen or past the enemy. So Halford's planes are now worthless. On the December 26 update, you modified bound_bone on both Halford's base skin and her new bunny skin, and remote was removed. All other vanguard ships except Halford that can launch airplanes have remote = (-50, 0, 0)

from the same person that made the video

[barren tapir]

since december 26 with her skin yea

[wind hazel]

who uses her anyway

[sweet delta]

ectl hates the person who made the video, no need to tell them about the bug

[atomic abyss]

all UR CVs are good in all game modes save pvp

[barren tapir]

idk about well documented tho, there was a bug report a few days back and then i brought it up in here unaware that it was abnormal and then it went viral

[crimson glacier]

perseus

[final heart]

should I replace purple helldiver with yellow baracuda?

[crimson glacier]

she is good sure, but makes no sense to be in EX

[tawny ermine]

is there any planes i should get from the core shop for fritz?

[wind hazel]

they arent in the same category

[atomic abyss]

one is a dive bomber, one is a torp bomber
you cant use one to replace the other

[crimson glacier]

literally only there to bait new players into wasting resources

[storm heron]

most of the time probably no though

[final heart]

oh wait

[atomic abyss]

torva, UR not EX, did you EN?

[tawny ermine]

ok

[final heart]

lemme check again

[atomic abyss]

there is a gold barracuda DB iirc

[crimson glacier]

lets just go with that

[atomic abyss]

the 831 barracuda from coreshop

[storm heron]

oh the barracuda with 1/3 tenrai thingy

[atomic abyss]

but that's uh, pretty bad?

[barren tapir]

percy should be downtiered

[storm heron]

well now that's 3 mentions of that plane

[atomic abyss]

why would percy be downtiered

[crimson glacier]

coz it makes sense

[barren tapir]

to t0 at least cos uni is just better in general in most cases, especially campaign right

[storm heron]

wasn't she like the best cvl before uni retro exist?

[atomic abyss]

uni is better yes
but it's not like percy is shit

[crimson glacier]

the thing is that you dont need many of her kind

[fast steppe]

what vanguards other than helena are good in a 3bb meta fleet

[crimson glacier]

so is T0 shit?

[final heart]

my apologies, I meant to ask should I replace purple sword fish with yellow baracuda

[barren tapir]

how is t0 shit

[rigid onyx]

that's not the point of a tier list

[tawny ermine]

for nj wouldnt it be better to have 2 type 1 ap shells cause of this skill?

[crimson glacier]

yeah the tier list has no point

[atomic abyss]

percy is ALMOST as good as uni retro
the issue is you dont need multiple healers

[storm heron]

ofc, purple swordfish bad

[atomic abyss]

no, the passives dont stack

[barren tapir]

t0 is basically "percy fulfils what unicorn does but is a bit worse"

[tawny ermine]

they dont? damn that sucks it doesnt say they dont so i thought they might

[storm heron]

their reasoning is that it's a bit worse in higher chapter but they don't tier around a specific chapter

[barren tapir]

[crimson glacier]

like does it matter if perseus is T EX for first 13 chapthers

[atomic abyss]

all gear passives do not stack lol

[crimson glacier]

are they tiering without w14 and 15

[barren tapir]

i guess if you look at it strictly from a newbie perspective then fair percy is still EX material

[tawny ermine]

i didnt know all, i thought only most cause some like the ap shells dont say they dont stack

[crimson glacier]

@past sage this pic agrees with me

[barren tapir]

but imo even from a midgame (not endgame) perspective, percy is lacking a fair bit compared to uni

[atomic abyss]

i mean

[crimson glacier]

its not useful to bait new players into investing perseus

[storm heron]

wait kagerou is tier1 now

[atomic abyss]

kagerou has been tier1 for ages

[crimson glacier]

when uni is right there

[atomic abyss]

get with the times

[wind hazel]

well the tierlist disregard the resources needed

[barren tapir]

i dont get the nana t2 tho

[rigid onyx]

Percy can be simultaneously tEX and also worthless to invest into

[atomic abyss]

you wanna question ECTL, go to their server

[wind hazel]

otherwise the whole t1 and below SSR ships would be all TN, if you account resources needed

[barren tapir]

if yuudachi is t0 then nana deserves to be t0 mob tag

[atomic abyss]

im sure astrata and rice would appreciate that more

[crimson glacier]

the thing is that uni is better even if you ignore resources

[atomic abyss]

if you cant be bothered, then dont bother complaining here either

[barren tapir]

i dont wanna be yelled at

[atomic abyss]

there's a reason i tagged ECTL's list with early-mid game campaign only

[hollow sail]

not quite 100% true cuz chikuma has the same thing and always had it

[crimson glacier]

i think we have different definitions for appreciating

[storm heron]

ahaha get beaten by kagerou, good thing it's only prelim though, you can probably contest if you are able to test

[atomic abyss]

torva you "appreciate" everything

suchi doesnt have a server so if you want to question him do so in his DMs

[barren tapir]

im just gonna assume they tiered nana by future dd restructuring otherwise it makes no sense

[atomic abyss]

sam has a server tho so feel free to blast him there

[storm heron]

what's sam's server? is it private or are there links?

[atomic abyss]

aurora, it is hard to tier things fairly if you dont try anything else

[barren tapir]

but t2 makes sense if

laffey2 and z52 t0
ddgs, shima and tashkent t1
yuudachi t2
starters t4

[wind hazel]

the sam's server

[atomic abyss]

have you tried much else even?

[barren tapir]

ive tested her vs starters, yuudachi, and z46. so not much but enough to say she isnt starter dd tier

[wind hazel]

right discord link

[atomic abyss]

and as goose proves every single time he posts a comp in here

gear, tech and oaths can skew tests results a lot

[barren tapir]

im just saying there is no way nana is starter dd tier

[atomic abyss]

again

go there and just say it

complaining here is complaining to a brick wall

if you wanna complain to a brick wall, do so in #al-general

[final heart]

is it good to start investing in Z52 with this current roster?
my helena is missing a few more bps and she'll be done

[atomic abyss]

maybe the wall has holes there

[atomic abyss]

no

yorktown 2 coming
UR CV more worth investing than UR DD if you lack enough for a CV comp

[crimson glacier]

only use bulins on URS when you have enough to instantly go to max stars

[storm heron]

aw man I was hoping for smolmagipat emote

[jaunty blaze]

yorktown 2 good?

[keen sable]

No, you should only use mlb ships from now on.

[atomic abyss]

all URs are good save warspite

[final heart]

I have 55 cubes, do I have enough to ball for that new unit?

[jaunty blaze]

ok

[crimson glacier]

yk2 is good but i dont really see her as important

[atomic abyss]

you should always roll for a limited UR

THIS is what you're saving for

[final heart]

so centaur and ticonderoga next?

[atomic abyss]

do consider you have like, 44 free rolls from the event cos rerun

tico yes centaur no

[final heart]

one small issue, I balled for fritz last event

[wind hazel]

it's fine really, use the 44 tickets before using any cubes, then decide later whether you wanna gamba or not

[crimson glacier]

id just skip yk2

[wind hazel]

imo if you have fritz, i'd skip yk2 yeah lol

[storm heron]

who else has a public discord server? is there a list? does turtle has one?

[atomic abyss]

just use the free rolls first...

[slow fox]

Server advertisements go into #wiki-feedback smh

[barren tapir]

what would be considered valid testing grounds for ship comparison?

[wind hazel]

mebot server with suchiperson

[final heart]

ogey

[slow fox]

It's only this one we share. :mutsuki:

[wind hazel]

meta showdown

a lot of the testings i think were just tested across many dossiers and whatnot

[storm heron]

some cm also has it, though not this one since this one has heals

[wind hazel]

harbiter is also good testing ground

[keen sable]

I think I would rather see gz + hornii

[atomic abyss]

[storm heron]

gz + what

[wind hazel]

hornet 2

[atomic abyss]

hornet 2

[slow fox]

hornet 2

[jaunty vault]

hornii

[plain saffron]

hornet ii

[wind hazel]

no, it is now hornii.

[rigid onyx]

horny

[fast steppe]

for this month's arbiter are you supposed to kill the summon asap or just keep focusing on the boss

[barren tapir]

ok so if i take nana yuudachi and laffey into taihou meta

[crimson glacier]

doesnt auto just target the summon

[fast steppe]

i'm doing manual

[barren tapir]

and ill give the others superior gear

[final heart]

I don't think I have hornet 2
unless you're talking about retrofit hornet?

[wind hazel]

ideally you give everyone the same gear

[atomic abyss]

hornet 2 comes with yorktown 2 event

[storm heron]

interesting, hornii looks like a good cv

[sweet delta]

but nana is heavy biased

[slow fox]

suchiperson spotted

[barren tapir]

which is why i'll give the others superior gear to help balance it a little

[atomic abyss]

that's not how it works...

[sweet delta]

but do you know how much is a little

[barren tapir]

would katsu also be a valid test then

[jaunty vault]

try to kill the summon first

[sweet delta]

no because nana bypasses shields

[barren tapir]

whats a good test

[sweet delta]

what are you testing for anyways

[barren tapir]

also isnt bypassing shields a relevant advantage to tier dds around?

[crimson glacier]

shields are whatever imo

we have oil cap, we can just shred them

[barren tapir]

i dont really want to lvl125 laffey if im honest i was thinking id give them superior gear and then reduce nana's dmg on screen by 10%

[atomic abyss]

torva is missing the point

[sweet delta]

have your DDs bypass shields so that your CA dumps 2 full salvos into a shield

[crimson glacier]

oh is this some cm mode gimmick stuff

[barren tapir]

oh nvm laffey isnt max skills i wont be able to test her then

[storm heron]

EN moment ignore me, it's literally on the notes why hornii is not consistent

[sweet delta]

hornii requires enemy airplanes

[barren tapir]

maybe ill just test in a few months my skills are full with katsu prep this month

[sweet delta]

but voro also requires enemy airplanes and doesn't have minus consistency

[keen sable]

I'm saying don't raise a fourth carrier until you do or don't get hornet ii. Also hood appears to be in the popular medal shops.

[final heart]

should I buy hood?

[storm heron]

how is voro almost D in all subjects but people still find use of her

[atomic abyss]

maybe cos idk, voro with planes is actually a fairly good ship when you do get them planes, and also because she has NP slow for nakhi?

[still thorn]

I don't see these missions anywhere in game, where are they located?

[keen sable]

You need a second fleet bb. Hood is ok. The only other alternative would be Maryland I think.

[atomic abyss]

1st one is from.... weekly missions tab
the other 3 are in operation siren, referring to the arbiter boss

[barren tapir]

yuudachi lvl119 but has +13 improved torp, nana +10 normal torp, yuudachi buffed by amagicv 15%

[atomic abyss]

aurora idk how many times to tell you

[storm heron]

try more samples, trust

[barren tapir]

and nana is bad against bosses

[atomic abyss]

you're trying to convince the wrong person/people

[barren tapir]

i dont have 2 improved torps, i gave yuudachi the better torp to prove a point xd

[crimson glacier]

ectl just doesnt want to give collab high tiers

[atomic abyss]

prove a point to who

[inner delta]

to the wall

[atomic abyss]

meanwhile rikka and ryza t0

[sweet delta]

we don't assume Voro to be paired with Nakhi

[crimson glacier]

i remember when marie was running laps around other DDs and they still never gave her higher tier than 1

[inner delta]

you don't get it ender, he just like talking to the wall

[barren tapir]

well i posted it here to check if a test like this is valid (i can run multiple)

before i go to ectl with it lol

[atomic abyss]

this is maihou?

[sweet delta]

if it's for ectl then maybe you should be testing in chapter 12 or 13

[atomic abyss]

if this is maihou
immediately an unfair test because nana is likely killing the summons first
and by the time yuudachi's torps launch the summons are dead reducing her end screen damage noticeably

[storm heron]

didn't know about it, but is rikka actually that good?

[crimson glacier]

appearantly she was fine in w14 mob

[atomic abyss]

compare them individually

not together

[barren tapir]

what would be the best teammates for that then?

[atomic abyss]

Or you get clearly inaccurate results like this...

[keen sable]

When the screen is messy sure. Scylla is quite similar in behavior

[storm heron]

what's the context there? elbing?

[atomic abyss]

helmet

[storm heron]

ahh barrage... I heard that too from pvp

[barren tapir]

ok ill do a comparison individually with same backline (yuudachi gets 15% it should help partially compensate the lvl diff) and same torp (yuudachi doesnt want the same gun)

[crimson glacier]

this level diff compensating just cant be good idea

[atomic abyss]

it can be compensated

[barren tapir]

15% torp is probably about 6% overall so i'll just reduce nana by 6%

[atomic abyss]

When individually compared

[crimson glacier]

should have tanikaze and helena for extra spice

[atomic abyss]

and an shan is at a monumental disadvantage for this

[barren tapir]

have to, it's 125 vs 119 and this is just prelim anyway, ill do proper more extensive testing post yk2 once yuudachi is 125 as well. this is just to see if i can get feedback on how to improve tests and also for my own personal curiosity currently.

[atomic abyss]

an shan isnt using BiS gear here

all the DDGs are more dependent on gear and tech to reach their obscene numbers

[crimson glacier]

when are you going to pull the nakhi card and say that actually tashkent slaps an shan to the ground

[atomic abyss]

tash just needs augment + max skills

just to humour you torva
some people do bring a DDG for anti light bosses

so if you're gonna use a DDG, why not nakhi with tash instead

[storm heron]

oh no I remember this argument back then

[atomic abyss]

i dont have her bis rocket
and i wasnt using mog gun or 100 kai for this test

[storm heron]

the low tech thingy. The worst thing is I forgot the conclusion

[crimson glacier]

isnt low tech just buff for ddg

[atomic abyss]

the tech isnt the primary reason was the conculsion
the gear is the primary reason

[crimson glacier]

nvm looks like tashkent also has high fp

[atomic abyss]

the DDGs are like enty in a sense

the better the gear the more they unga bunga

[crimson glacier]

they make dmg buffs useless or what do you mena

[atomic abyss]

ofc enty is far more extreme

but tash's damage stems from augment and skill level, which even a newish player can get with little difficutly

[crimson glacier]

gold aug can be costly tho

idk if i would want to spend gold bulins on vanguard anyway

[atomic abyss]

DDG need half a UR bulin, 1 event limited gear, 1 core shop gear (or 2 without the limited gear)

[barren tapir]

somehow yuudachi performed worse without nana

wait no im dumb they both went up but nana went up more

[atomic abyss]

not to mention

ty retro item isnt perma
an shan isnt perma

so you're stuck with the "weakest" DDG

[crimson glacier]

in my unbiased opinion all tlr units should be TN coz tlr sucks

[barren tapir]

#trophy-room if u wanna check but either way im out of attempts so i'll rest this subject for now til i get yuudachi to actually be 125

[atomic abyss]

i think 21k is cheaper than 35k...

even if you account for the difference in rarity for limit breaks

[crimson glacier]

then you add limit break costs +10k on tashkent

[storm heron]

to be fair though, respectfully, I think nana has a better chance against kagerou, I think arguing against yuudachi is kinda aiming a lil bit too far (?)

[atomic abyss]

then you add on half a UR bulin

the issue is that half a UR bulin

[crimson glacier]

i guess half UR is bigger deal now that we are desynced

[tropic tusk]

where can i find her

[barren tapir]

yuudachi is the closest direct competitor i have owned and near maxed. as long as nana fares decently against her it means she's significantly above starter level which is what i want to prove xd

[atomic abyss]

7-4 at earliest

[tropic tusk]

3q

[sharp socket]

BBs perform better than IJN CV at light harbiter, ill do a test with haku nano amagi later but i dont expect it to be better

[barren tapir]

also CN rates nana as basically yuudachi but more torp less gun iirc so it works out well

[atomic abyss]

not a surprise?

BBs are in their element against light

and with helena helping little chance they would fall behind

[crimson glacier]

that BB fleet is better anyway

[atomic abyss]

and you're using the UR CVs that do the worst against light

[sharp socket]

BB also had 2 scans anyway

[crimson glacier]

so your test is completely pointless

[storm heron]

I'm afraid that they might not accept that though, depending on the conclusions tbh. To uprate a ship I believe you need to prove that they perform similarly or better than the upper tier, so aiming yuudachi is a pretty optimistic for first comparison... but you can indeed try though, I am looking forward for the tests

[crimson glacier]

actually is your BBs also using subs or why is the button there

[barren tapir]

it's also i dont mind 125ing yuudachi but i kinda dont wanna 125 starters, i like them but not enough to waifu it and meta wise it's a bad use

[iron umbra]

guys can i get a link for the fleetbuilder yall use to sync?

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[iron umbra]

love you mate

[sharp socket]

forgot about the subs actually, those may make a difference

[atomic abyss]

[barren tapir]

tho i think for better testing it should be vs some medium enemy since nana is heavy biased yuudachi is all rounder but fares best against medium iirc?

[storm heron]

yea true, granted 125 kagerou could probably be even more useless than 125ing starter

[sharp socket]

anyway the point of this was to show BBs are better than IJN CV vs light

[barren tapir]

well kagerou wouldnt be a straight 1:1 comparison either bc theyre t1ing her off her support abilities as well. nana is pure dps

[sweet delta]

BBs are better than IJN CV vs light for you

[sharp socket]

cause i heard otherwise from some guy here before

[crimson glacier]

idk i think my ijn team could shred that

[sweet delta]

some people have 40 rld CV cats

[atomic abyss]

doesnt lacking HVAR and skyraider also make the situation heavily biased to BB anyways

[sharp socket]

CVs need so much more stuff to compare to BBs

[barren tapir]

so to me best comparison i currently own that feels reasonable is yuudachi, since she's also a pure dps.

and at least on the tanking side, we can say nana is about 10% better in that, so nana should be aroun yuudachi level if within 5% of yuudachi's average dps. i cant run perfect test because i dont have a mogggun but someday soonish i might have a 100kai which will hopefully help display yuudachi's strength more fairly

[atomic abyss]

that's the whole issue with carriers...

[sharp socket]

+10 mk6 and send it

[crimson glacier]

Light harbiter is just weird fight anyway since isn't the summon med

[storm heron]

it gives reward equivalent to 2 run rewards

bp drops is not doubled, but rather rolled twice

[rain vine]

the ratio stays the same
youre just doing 2 runs in the time it takes to do 1 run

[sweet delta]

How is it worse coins?

[hollow quartz]

As a new player should I MLB Fritz or wait for yorktown II and MLB her instead?

[cunning bison]

depends do u hv other urs that may eb bttr?

[barren tapir]

wait and see it's hard to say without knowing your current ships and also you should see if you pull yk2 to begin with

[hollow quartz]

Nope. Only Z52

[sweet delta]

Max fritz

[spark ridge]

how good is fritz vs yorktown 2? or even shinano. or are they all just good, or all diff roles kinda thing. or are there some strictly better

[sweet delta]

Fritz is better than yorkii without 3 USS ships in the fleet, fritz is better than 3 uss yorkii against medium, fritz is better in campaign, yorkii is better than fritz when paired with kear, shinano is locked to heavy unless with amagi

[spring bolt]

kinda not about fritz vs yk2, but yk2+kear+fritz actually has lower damage potential than nakh+soyuz+fritz in light armor meta fight, assuming the meta boss somehow doesn't move

[crimson glacier]

but if the boss doesnt move why use soyuz

is she really better than 3rd carrier

[south sequoia]

I'm guessing it's because nakhi still benefits a lot from soyuz' cv buff

[spring bolt]

not sure about that but since boss usually moves, you just end up using her anyway

[uncut wren]

Hi, im farming for Friedrich, im trying to use a solo Vanguard for stage 11.1 can you suggest me someone? Im a returning player i used to run something likes phoenix or Minneapolis

[crimson glacier]

there is literally 0 reason to use solo

[uncut wren]

Isnt it Better oil wise?

[crimson glacier]

you use the same amount of oil

[sweet delta]

/oilcap

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[crimson glacier]

so you would rather get exp for 6 ships instead of 4

farming stuff without full fleet is a thing from the past

[spring bolt]

there is thing called oil cap now, you use same oil if fleet oil cost is above the cap

[rigid onyx]

just like quagsire he is unaware

[uncut wren]

Oh thanks, used to use the least ship possible

[crimson glacier]

yeah thankfully thats not needed anymroe

[dawn ledge]

Why she didn't count
I'm still at 496

[storm heron]

muse ships don't count towards tech, only cdc

[dawn ledge]

That sucks 🥲

[pseudo saffron]

Why have there been so many maintenances recently?

[crimson glacier]

its been like that since forever

[barren tapir]

rip ur core datas

[blazing cedar]

can i see you fleet for beating taihoe meta lvl15?

[crimson glacier]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/METAboss攻略要点 cn wiki has many teams but they are expensive

[humble tapir]

how do you get access to c1 onwards in war archives?

[crimson glacier]

probably like normal events, beat the stage to unlock next one

[humble tapir]

oh cuz ive beat a1 to b3 but its not showing up

do i needa 3 star everything?

[crimson glacier]

A and B are complete waste of time

should never do those

did you press hard on bottom left

[humble tapir]

ohhhhhh

thats how

thanks 😭🙏

[crimson glacier]

np, just know that you dont need to beat normal to access hard

[humble tapir]

got it

[lament spade]

4k event poins leftt what should I buy

[rain vine]

well, what do you have left?

[lament spade]

mm

I bought all the hipper crystal, z52, torpedo, cog array

all other are what I have left

[rain vine]

maybe post a screenshot instead?

[lament spade]

alr mb

[barren tapir]

can do cog chips or DR prints, or oil right before maint for more hvar farm, up to you

[lament spade]

how do I even fit them all

[tropic tusk]

its 1 photo how can u not fit them

[barren tapir]

take more than 1 screenshot?

[blazing cedar]

cant seem to find the pictures of the fleet?

[tropic tusk]

2nd tab

[crimson glacier]

@blazing cedarpress the middle button

[barren tapir]

click here

[tropic tusk]

wait a min theres a dark theme?

[tropic tusk]

u dont even show how much token u have lol

[rain vine]

chips, spend the rest on oil

[lament spade]

I just said 4k 😭

[tropic tusk]

oh mb

[barren tapir]

yea my recommendation is same tbh, either grab DR prints if you havent maxed nakh/napoli yet or if you prefer grab cog chips if you haven't made every ship lvl120 yet, and if you want, consider the oil just before maintenance if you want to get extra oil to farm HVARs with, if you don't already have several.

[crimson glacier]

i have add on for it

[left cedar]

Is this worth getting?

[barren tapir]

sure why not, she's a good dps against light armor and you want a pr1 for the newbie missions that give combat data packs which you turn into protocore to get good gear with

just don't prioritize retro bps for her over important retros like portland i guess

[dense briar]

Hello guys, 2 day old player here can someone help me with which ships should i prioritize investing in. Here's my current ships

[rain vine]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[atomic abyss]

refer to the guide above
based on that
your beginner fleet in your case shd be
pennsylvania in middle, with unicorn and ranger
portland, javelin, helena

[dense briar]

Thanks for this. This clears majority of my concerns.

Referring to guide above, helena and unicorn are recommended but check the guild shop i can only buy one elite ship

Which is better in my case?

[atomic abyss]

you can buy 2
buy one of them first and refresh it

[dense briar]

Oh i see

[warm trail]

what stage in w7 best to farm to lvl 60

[atomic abyss]

none
you ideally farm war archives instead till you hit 60

[warm trail]

ohhhhh

[atomic abyss]

more precisely, the divergent chessboard one

[barren tapir]

divergent chessboard more specifically

[warm trail]

i just i did the first one

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[warm trail]

the boss stage?

[atomic abyss]

the highest one you can do in hard mode

[warm trail]

ight

[whole crypt]

what are your ship levels

I'm inclined to say just do a bit of polaris while waiting for the coming rerun

[bold cove]

High heels for ships

[whole crypt]

#al-general #off-topic that way

[atomic abyss]

i think he's talking about comic kicks

[brisk linden]

i got a question

is yumi's augment thingy limited? because i cant really find it

[barren tapir]

polaris is also not bad, its sp5 is very cheap for oil, accessible levels, and thus good for cmdrexp/oil with a solid reward to eventually obtain (keyword eventually)

[atomic abyss]

yes, they are event limited

[barren tapir]

its the thing to do if you find divergent requirement too difficult or something

[atomic abyss]

you need to have gotten the item during the event

[brisk linden]

well thats a shame 😭

[barren tapir]

unfortunately if you miss a collab augment there's a 90% chance you're fucked for life

[whole crypt]

event hard mode has stat reqs that can become a problem, mainly, that polaris doesn't

[brisk linden]

yeah thats what i thought tbh because chances of a collab rerun is kinda..

[barren tapir]

(lvl70-73 enemy) is this req hard for new players? i am out of touch

the main thing i could see tripping them up is CV/BB, maybe they only have unicorn and maybe they only have hood, but it's unlikely

also torp stat if they only use the recommended fleet 1 ships (then their torp will be like 300/900)

so i guess if they get torp gated then do polaris

[whole crypt]

torp stat req is the usual problem because most early reccs aren't torp and most good torp ships don't come early

[barren tapir]

maybe we should recommend some auxiliary ships with trp stat to passively level for the sake of stat reqs?

trp seems to always be the barrier for every newbie

i remember hitting it on something new basically every week and it got quite frustrating

and that was with me getting suzunami from amagi event and using her from the start to stat pad still had issues here and there

[whole crypt]

it's easier for JP if you choose Ayanami for your starter

[atomic abyss]

[barren tapir]

another way to alleviate the torp issue is to go the tirpitz route if you have BB medal over hood.

[atomic abyss]

/reqhelp exists

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Hard_Mode_Req_Help.jpeg

[barren tapir]

the point is a newbie following recommended stuff isnt gonna have the torp for anything

i ran into pretty harsh walls rather soon with hard mode especially

[atomic abyss]

better to have good ships than shit ships with the stats you need

[whole crypt]

yes ender the list exists but it's not very immediately helpful for a newer player if you look at the options

[barren tapir]

tirpitz proved sufficient to reach ch12, personally if i were to start over id prioritize her over hood knowing the specifics of what struggles i ran into

im aware general guideline is for the typical clueless newbie and that's fine, but i do think there should be some considerations provided if that might clash with other general guideline (ie, try to reach D maps in divergent chessboard if lacking cmdr level)

the tldr is to just add an addendum that if you lack torp stat, go polaris instead

[whole crypt]

the fact is our usual early reccs inadvertently drives new players away from stacking trp and it's one of the bigger early obstacles engaging hard mode especially for events

[warm trail]

60

oh i can go directly to hard mode, okay

[quartz jungle]

Yeah, should add some of the guild options like Kagerou and Naganami

[whole crypt]

yes but there are map entry requirements, even if you meet those I don't think you'll have a very good time with the C maps

[barren tapir]

c1 is lvl55-58 without needing trp at least

[warm trail]

c maps what

[barren tapir]

c2 is missing or im blind also lazy to check myself

c3 cant read nvm

nah c3 shud be fine lol im blind confirmed

[warm trail]

is there a point in 3starring them?

[barren tapir]

so basically torp nightmare begins only in D maps.

but also all the important fleet tech for kms drops in D maps so...

C maps will just get you the common DDs and hipper

more importantly the ugly sisters which youd want barring better options to actually grind out fdg exp in the future

[whole crypt]

if his ships are 60s it's going to be rough

[barren tapir]

c1 is >55 so they can do that one

the problem i see is early C maps drop nothing of actual value so it's just a waste of oil

[warm trail]

baby oil oh yeah

[barren tapir]

but also lvl60 ships wont be able to do sp5 in polaris which is ~80

[warm trail]

do i need to 3star them? no?

[atomic abyss]

no

[barren tapir]

theyre kinda fucked honestly both options are quite inefficient

[warm trail]

ight

[barren tapir]

i guess divergent wins a bit because C maps still will get them common dds at least

[quartz jungle]

Only the German commons yeah

Common DD and CLs (C-1/C-2)

[barren tapir]

if you have no oil you might be better off just sitting put until yk2 event

[whole crypt]

he could start doing sp1-4 and the earlier Cs for a bit while waiting for new event but leveling wise I'd say run ch6/7

[barren tapir]

at least there youd be getting event points inefficient or no

[warm trail]

yk2 wat

[barren tapir]

well how much oil do they have, if it's low already i'd just sit tight for event

if they have decent oil then sure they can begin unlocking warchive stages

but ch7 would be best for exp honestly if you cant reach oilcap warchive stages

can cope with 7-2 for some bonus coins too 2019 strats

[warm trail]

spent the baby oils on dorm food

[quartz jungle]

New event that you can pull a UR ship (Yorktown 2)

[barren tapir]

now why would you do that

dorm is wildly inefficient for a new player especially.

[warm trail]

dmn i fkd up again, first he bulins and now the baby oils

[barren tapir]

the exp scales directly with commander level and then is multiplied by comfort bonus, which you have low/none of both

[whole crypt]

my guess is low oil cap wanting to claim canteen for some early shit

[warm trail]

[barren tapir]

[whole crypt]

common mistake but time heals all wounds

[barren tapir]

time might not but wallet can

(context: mistaken gem spending as f2p)

[warm trail]

that one too, almost buy the 5th dorm slot

[whole crypt]

time fixes everything besides wasted gems, though there's also waiting for another 3 years of free gems

for basically everything besides gems time is a better fix than money

[barren tapir]

but yeah pretty much every mistake can be fixed in some way

[proven mist]

How many opsi fleets do you use?
Do you also just use only 1 fleet? I do have just one healer so..

[barren tapir]

1 do everything, 2 backup boss/filler, 1 c1 exp grinder for me

[whole crypt]

1 mob fleet that runs 95% of the mode, 3 boss fleets of which 2 usually do nothing

you don't want a healer besides the mob fleet anyway

[proven mist]

Thanks

[barren tapir]

the only time my fleet 2 and 3 see any action is if fleet 1 didnt wipe the abyssal and then they clean up basically

for strongholds i dont even bother if fleet 1 dies on boss i go port repair go kill a c1 mob and shove it onto the boss again

[proven mist]

Ohh, we can use the stamina to heal up 1st fleet too right? 50 per heal

[barren tapir]

technically slower but also then i dont need to care about fleet 2 or 3 issues

[proven mist]

Thanks, that's nice strats

[barren tapir]

and fleet 4 is just for exp farming

the current fleet 4

[whole crypt]

don't waste ap on repair order if not necessary

[fluid umbra]

Wait, I could've done that this entire time

[fluid umbra]

imo only use it if all 4 of your fleet is screwed during c5/c6 abyss (and they're low enough that you can kill it)

[barren tapir]

well if you are okay with doing c1 a lot, c1 isnt really worth/safe to do ap-wise unless you're willing to really go full on at it

[whole crypt]

winning any fight restores low morale, repairing in dock removes tolls, once every 24 hours you can "repair" for free by deploying

[barren tapir]

but yes its quite nice free exp when my oil is busy being stacked for yk2

[fluid umbra]

Eh fair point.

[proven mist]

Ohhhh.. deploying heals them all?

[fluid umbra]

I'm still low on cubes from the last event, hoping comms event is gonna be enough

[whole crypt]

even abyssals you can game fighting the trash nodes to remove low morale if the ships aren't completely trashed

[barren tapir]

i have yk2 in the bag with plenty of room to spare but i am concerned about the elite curse

[whole crypt]

it resets the fleets which effectively heals them

[fluid umbra]

That being said how much oil do you stash

Also yeah lol the elite in fritz's event took me 200 cubes lmfao

[proven mist]

Got it, thanks!

[fluid umbra]

Fek, I meant sirens.

[barren tapir]

well its more like i drained every last drop for rumey's event past few days is just recovering to cap, now i just do barely enough 12-1 to stay just below cap, on final day before yk2 event i wont be spending any oil either

[whole crypt]

they're all sirens

[barren tapir]

u dont need to copy me i just really want HVARs

[fluid umbra]

The one with the coordinates istg

[whole crypt]

abyssals have hidden mob nodes in the bottom corners

[fluid umbra]

How many days till yk2 again, i already forgot

[barren tapir]

if ships are trashed you gotta r&r to remove toll of war, if its just low hp slam boxes into them and take them to bully the mob

[whole crypt]

if the fleet isn't ridden with tolls or boss is close enough to death you can fight one to restore morale and use repair packs

[barren tapir]

event begins after maint ends on the 9th ~10am EST, convert as you please to your own time zone

[fluid umbra]

I uh, never knew that

[whole crypt]

well now you do

it's why every abyssal has "escape routes" at the sides

[left cedar]

any news on GearLab update or PR6 gun in proto?

[tame jungle]

not yet

[whole crypt]

didn't it take till the CNY update last year

[fluid umbra]

How is this gearing for 1:1? And should I 125 Chang Chun anytime soon? I have enough for fritz and z52 rn, 200 spare arrays after both

*Do pretend that seafang is an XF5U, they're taken by other ships rn.

[fast steppe]

good enough fleet for soumet?

[barren tapir]

is this for hvars

[whole crypt]

could use better but should be fine depending on what you're running

[fluid umbra]

It's 1:1 for event clearing

[left cedar]

far as i remember happens 2x in 2k23

[whole crypt]

yes the other update was CN anniv

[barren tapir]

looks fine add wyvern if you have one

[fluid umbra]

1:1 event pretty much. Had issues with the last event on D1/2/3

[barren tapir]

also roomba/bofors on cc would be better if planes end up being an issue

[whole crypt]

I don't remember how cheap you can go for parallel superimposition, keep in mind that needs to fulfill slot reqs too

[fluid umbra]

It's on fritz rn for campaign bossing. I'm crafting another one soon but it'll be a while

[fluid umbra]

Right yeah that slot reqs can be annoying

[glossy granite]

Whats the event called that will come in few days?

[atomic abyss]

parallel superimposition

[barren tapir]

uni+ddg works for it iirc

[fast steppe]

not sure if I've got anyone better

[whole crypt]

yeh Unicorn+DDG should work

[atomic abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1875014224847732887

[fluid umbra]

Does chang chun need to be 125 or nah

Low on arrays because of the double UR last event

[whole crypt]

120 should be fine, but it might not take care of the boss node either way

[fluid umbra]

200 spare arrays left

[glossy granite]

Ah yorktown 2

[barren tapir]

120 should be fine if you're not doing the boss as well (imo not rlly worth it)

[fluid umbra]

Right

[barren tapir]

d3 is usually what lvl 105ish? safe gives u +8 effective levels so 120 is almost maxed lvl bonus already

[fluid umbra]

Wait am I supposed to be farming event stages with 1:1?

[barren tapir]

[fluid umbra]

I've been doing it with a leveling fleet this entire time

[barren tapir]

usually not recommended but since yk2 event has an exclusive gear (atm) that's good to have, 1:1 lets you get more for the same oil if you're willing to spend more time and sac exp

[atomic abyss]

you are meant to use oil cap to level

[glossy granite]

Will 91 wisdom cubes be enough 🤔

[atomic abyss]

depends on your luck

[tame jungle]

if you're lucky yeah

[barren tapir]

prayge

[fluid umbra]

Hmm kk

[glossy granite]

Im always confident about my UR luck but we'll see

[tame jungle]

watch this statement bite you in the ass

[barren tapir]

including cubes earned in the event u should be able to do about 105-110 pulls which is ~72-73.5% probability

[fluid umbra]

Concerning

[barren tapir]

i have 10x that

[tame jungle]

i have 11.3x that

[jaunty vault]

i have around that

[fluid umbra]

Must be some insane luck you guys got

[tame jungle]

more like insane discipline

[barren tapir]

nah rumey took me to 114. i just skipped musashi and i did get amagi from 3-a-day when very new

[glossy granite]

Tho my coin balance wont keep up i only got like 54K

[tame jungle]

it's just like real life, don't spend on luxuries if the bills aren't paid yet

[fluid umbra]

Ah wait that makes sense, I'm missing every single URs so I haven't been able to skip

[sharp socket]

can confirm it is luck, i got fritz in 20

[barren tapir]

got somewhat lucky in collab too only 75 pulls for all

[glossy granite]

Wait dosent this event have like crazy stuff in the exchange shop?

[barren tapir]

and i havent pulled on any other event

[fluid umbra]

Nono, you don't get it, fritz was easy. It's Z11 that took me 200

[storm heron]

spent 90k just now for cog chipping and retrofitting certain ships

[glossy granite]

I got shinano in 12 when she came out lol

[fluid umbra]

Should I actually be spending cubes on elites/SSRs?

[sharp socket]

if you want collection

[tame jungle]

i'd reconsider if you're permalow and not guaranteed to get new URs

[barren tapir]

to be nerdley it's 9.9253x

[atomic abyss]

this isnt the flex your cubes channel

[whole crypt]

Depends™️
I don't seriously recommend it for this event unless you're trying to maximize oil use/morale regen for HVAR farming

[glossy granite]

Bro saving them for that one waifu who hasnt came back since 2021

[fast steppe]

I got 3 fritz copies in 77 pulls

[fluid umbra]

I guess that makes sense

[sharp socket]

i was waiting for either mods or the guys with 3k cubes to come in

[storm heron]

how does this lineup look like?
Unicorn tai yuan
Unicorn chang chun
Unicorn an shan
Zuihou javelin
Perseus laffey
Aquila leander

[barren tapir]

overkill, that's what

[sharp socket]

you have 3 unicorns

[barren tapir]

how much oil do you even have

[storm heron]

rip cog chips

[whole crypt]

if you're are using dupe unicorns then glhf I'm not part of this discussion

[storm heron]

I only have like 140k pre event

[barren tapir]

like actually how much do you intend to farm lol

[whole crypt]

I have said it for quite a while now you only "need" 2 rocketcats

[barren tapir]

my total event oil if i manage it properly will be about 125-130k and i can clear that in 2000ish minutes (about 5 hours a day) with just 3 fleets * this is with full HELPs

[sharp socket]

im going to have 2-3 1:1 fleets and then send the rest of my dock in full fleets for the rest