gameplay-help

[viscid swift]

yeah that's the other thing to bear in mind

[forest palm]

I use about 7 of my 8 Wyvern cause I can't be bothered to switch Wyvern off my main mob ships

[viscid swift]

albeit the track record for new UR gear especially hasn't been great better safe than sorry

[undone plover]

I like 4 wyvern for campaign
since u run 4 CVs
feels like a neat number

[viscid swift]

yeah, I find my 6 supplemented by 2 spearfishes gets the job done

[stark quiver]

I have 3 supplemented by nothing

[forest palm]

Again it's there as a luxury if you don't want to constantly switch gear around

[barren tapir]

beautiful

[forest palm]

yes I have 2 AQL

[stark quiver]

I feel like this is the part where I one again say , I should not have gotten that drake gun from gear lab

[left cedar]

Should i lmb my albion? Or save the protocal bulins?

[forest palm]

save

[left cedar]

Aleight

[barren tapir]

kinda depends what other gold ships you're currently using

[forest palm]

either way wouldn't recommend Albion

[storm heron]

oh this is the albion person

[forest palm]

extra 234 are nice to have laying around if you're leveling CA, or are stuck with 1 or no PR6 AP Gun

[undone plover]

well hinden gun also getting added to prototype shop next

[storm heron]

I have 5, so uhh

[forest palm]

even then that's still one UR 203 SKC

[stark quiver]

Well problem is I’m out of ords

[near cargo]

What should I put on aux slot of QE META?

[soft raft]

Just the typical BB stuff

[near cargo]

Does yellow skill actually make her lose 3% HP everytime she fires?

[soft raft]

yop
tho it shouldnt really be that much of a concern, esp if you're using her in mobbing where healers can easily make up for the lost HP

for reference, 3% of her max HP is like 230 out of 7667

[forest palm]

negligible

[left cedar]

Should i keep limitbreaking my team or is this enough?

[sweet delta]

penn and albion could use another

[left cedar]

Like what?

[sweet delta]

penn and albion could use another limit break

[left cedar]

Ohh alr

[left cedar]

Sm1 told me to save my protocal bulins instead of mlb my albion

[warm trail]

im gonna retire all of them cause shinano's azz coudnt fit on my dock. no problm right?

[left cedar]

idk if i should mlb my other ships on my team tho

[barren tapir]

why retire them

[undone plover]

only reason not to MLB albion is if u have sth better

[warm trail]

im not using them

[soft raft]

why retire like 30+ ships just to fit one
Just yeet like some random low rarity shitter

[warm trail]

already did

[barren tapir]

buy more dock space

[undone plover]

you are at 98/150
your dock space is fine
also u can buy like 200 more with f2p gems

[barren tapir]

if you retire all those ships youll regret it eventually

many provide good tech and some arent obtainable anymore

also some are actually good ships for that matter

[soft raft]

you should be MLB'ing anyone you're actively using
As for Albion, I intially said not to before you showed your dock, which afterwards, you didnt really have any better CVs so yeah, go ahead MLB her

[left cedar]

Ah okay, shouldnt i save for the event banner tho? Thats coming?

I saved already like 30+ cubes so that i can build alot

[undone plover]

you are better off pushing and levelling your ships so that u can actually farm the event

[soft raft]

yes, in like 4 days
there will be a max of 44 free build tickets you can get during the rerun

30 cubes is 15 pulls tho so good luck

[undone plover]

save cubes sure but we are saying use bulins not cubes

[left cedar]

Yeye like

If i pull a super rare i could limit break it

[undone plover]

u will get more bulins for that dw about it
gold bulin income is not that bad

[left cedar]

Ah okay ty

[barren tapir]

gold bulin suffering city for me

[soft raft]

that would depend on the specific SR in question
Cuz higher rarity doesnt always equal better

this mainly applies to a majority of perament SRs

[left cedar]

Alright ty

Do u guys know what this does? And the protocal things?

Prototype mb

[undone plover]

analyze it for protocore
then go read this
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research#protocore

[barren tapir]

analyze those into protocore it is used to buy big good gears

[left cedar]

Alright

[tepid frigate]

Theres not much planes in chapter 14 right?
Like, i could go by without using sandy

[undone plover]

well sandy is still good for ch14

planes are not a major issue tho no

u still dont want them to reach your backline cuz they reveal them and getting revealed is bad in ch14

[soft raft]

yeah
I still used her in W14 as DPS for boss fleet

Planes arent as bad as in W13 and W15, but concealment is still important since the bosses will nuke your backline if it goes poof

[undone plover]

why not use her for mob
she has good asw
I think u need bulkier ships for ch14 boss

[barren tapir]

sandy is pretty bulky

not tank tank but like, 116% is not bad

[soft raft]

Drake/YuudachiKai/Ply ftw

[tepid frigate]

I use this line up
Planning to 3 star chapter 14
Is it possible with this lineup?

[barren tapir]

when sandy is tankier than all but drek and only 1% behind drek

[soft raft]

Yeesh why UvH
her off-flag gimmick is her own worst enemy in campaign

[storm heron]

33% split assumption

[barren tapir]

obviously i do think sandy better for mob overallbut i think her durability is aight

[barren tapir]

mebot said no actually

[viscid swift]

drop Helena, she won't be doing much of value, move UvH to flag and I would take someone like Saratoga over Perseus among other things

[undone plover]

off flag UvH is a dead UvH in ch14

I would prefer musashi mob and UvH boss flag

[viscid swift]

Emden is also not really doing that much

[soft raft]

Ngl at that point I'd just replace UvH with another UR BB if she's gonna be on flag

Cuz on-flag UvH is basically FdG lite

[undone plover]

her x-fleet is decent for ch14 tho
I guess musashi doesnt need it

[tepid frigate]

Ill use NJ instead of UvH then?
Also which ships should i use to replace helena and emden?

[soft raft]

Just post your dock in a thread at this point

Mainly so we actually have a idea of who you have

[barren tapir]

i would flip uvh and musashi in that case

[warm trail]

UWAAAAAH i retired all my bulins

[barren tapir]

(we told you not to retire shit randomly)

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

well that was a really bad decision

[soft raft]

[barren tapir]

im baffled by what you hoped to accomplish by doing that

[viscid swift]

like for reference, right now I'm at a deficit of 149 purple Bullins

[storm heron]

c1 moment

[tepid frigate]

Ch.14 3 stars help

[viscid swift]

no actually, that's just what 4 years worth of commission XP does

[barren tapir]

wait, cheeky does c1?

[warm trail]

dmn i now regret it

[storm heron]

surely he did it at one point back then

[viscid swift]

Like this is the bottom of my "leveled" ships, very little of this was helped along by XP packs

[undone plover]

cheeky do you use purple bulins on commons

[viscid swift]

I'm trying to avoid that but for some ships that seems a bit difficult shall we say...

[barren tapir]

i would for some of them ngl, some are a pain to obtain

[viscid swift]

like the 2 you see right there

[sweet delta]

what's the chapter 12 tech for getting vanguard MVP?

[barren tapir]

repair ship maybe

[viscid swift]

still TBD

[storm heron]

messerchit for cv, repair ship, 460mm bb

[warm trail]

ah fck i should have mlb my gold ships

[spring bolt]

purple bulin shortage will end fast anyway
gold bulin shortage will end much slower but it will
chip is the real issue

[barren tapir]

why even bring a bb then

[viscid swift]

Once these 5 are done then I'll cook

[warm trail]

fckkkkkkkkk

[barren tapir]

[formal thicket]

How did you get so many/much dock slots/capacity

[barren tapir]

gems

[storm heron]

by being the ancient one

[formal thicket]

Ohh

I see thanks !

[barren tapir]

cheeky how many gem comms have you gotten?

[viscid swift]

uhhh

[spring bolt]

no gear uni + ar + any no gear healer or a second ar

[viscid swift]

actually lets do some maths

[undone plover]

i am curious how many you have gotten, gem comm merchant

[cobalt gate]

i thought equipping more AA on my subs and vanguard was suppose to decrease the number on the right?

[barren tapir]

total: 54
succeed: 18
fail: 36
success rate: 33.33%
total gems earned: 389
gems/success: 21.61
gems/comm: 7.20

[cobalt gate]

seems good

[barren tapir]

should note its been VERY consistently around 33% for my past like 15 comms lol, so im convinced that's the true success rate now

[sweet delta]

it seems that Fritz steals MVP with her CA gun

[viscid swift]

so with F2P gems I've bought 640 dock space, 2nd floor, and 3rd and 4th dorm slots which translates to 14100 additional gems earned as a free 2 play plus I have 200 gems from that contest we had from the to love ru collab and there might have been a few extra but I'll forget about those for now

[barren tapir]

ranged from 30-35 consistently

[storm heron]

add the 1500 gems from the gachapon

[keen owl]

Pocari sweat

[viscid swift]

we can subtract 4700 from that as that's the base amount you're guranteed so that's 9400 from one time sources

I started in December 2020 so that means I participated in 4 LNYs so that's 300 gems from each of those so minus 1200 and we get 8200 still

then for each Anni I participated in we can subtract 700, 600, 500*2, and 400 for 5500 gems still

we can also subtract an additional 400 from this year since I participated in the # event and Amagi's skill description fix gave gem compensation

iirc I participated in only one other # event for the previous annis so we can subtract 200 more gems for 4900

[soft raft]

#al-general is that way

[keen owl]

Oh got on wrong channel sorry

[barren tapir]

check ur math i got 4900

[viscid swift]

there are probably quite a few more compensations I'm forgetting about over the years so lets subtract another 1k for all the ones I'm missing for 5100

[cobalt gate]

need some help, this number doesn't seem to change when i increase aa or avi

[storm heron]

saying check your math is wild

[barren tapir]

4k from gem comms is wild tho

[viscid swift]

that more or may not be inflated, I really don't remember all the handouts we had over the years

[barren tapir]

he did -1500 instead of -2700 for all anniv

[undone plover]

I remember u also said u used some gems by mistake on oil or sth like that

Or was it someone else

[viscid swift]

that was once yeah

but yeah 4k is a lot more than I thought I had earned from commissions...

[barren tapir]

so basically somewhere around 1000 gems/year from comms (+ compensations you may have forgotten)

[viscid swift]

actually let me check my alt real quick

[storm heron]

everyone did that once, if you don't then you're lying

[barren tapir]

i havent yet

[sweet delta]

1. submarines and support carriers don't count
2. the 2532 number is fixed, your AA will "decrease" it after you enter the sortie
3. avi should increase the 2447 number

[lilac ivy]

Who is the optimal buffer for Z52? im currently using shinano, Shoukaku, and Z1

[sweet delta]

not shoukaku for sure

[viscid swift]

Like yeah heres 300 I forgot about just from last year

[cobalt gate]

i see, i have to get it over 2500 somehow

[soft raft]

shinano buffs Z52?

[barren tapir]

damn

[rigid onyx]

How often do we get gems in mail

[barren tapir]

rare™️

[viscid swift]

Another 200 from 2023

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

if you press claim rewards, will there be a confirmation?

[soft raft]

mainly every anniv
And sometimes compensation for fuckups but that's extremely uncommon

[viscid swift]

shouldn't be

[spring bolt]

the displayed 2532 number is a "recommendation", it is stage acv value X 1.3 and will not change for each stage
the real enemy acv value is diminished as acv formula is
stage acv base value X your total aa/(your total aa + 8000)
but it is not displayed

[storm heron]

for science

[lilac ivy]

She buffs DDs

[viscid swift]

nah....

[barren tapir]

u can prolly estimate 2 times per year fuckup gems

[viscid swift]

so around 400 gems conservatively

which given indie devs seems fair enough

the interesting numbers are oath rings though, I have 7 as a free 2 play after 4 years

[lilac ivy]

Shoukaku buffs fleet. is there someone better?

[barren tapir]

in light of all this, the gem comm rate is actually pretty fair/reasonable

[fair tartan]

Which is the best ap main gun?

[soft raft]

first off, why are you trying to turbo buff Z52

[soft raft]

For which hulltype?

[sweet delta]

Vanguard is already better with a permanent 10% debuff

[spring bolt]

pretty sure sub aa counts for enemy acv calculation

[fair tartan]

Bismarck2, Alsace, New Jersey, Vanguard

[barren tapir]

seems legit

[lilac ivy]

Trying to see how far i can push her without helena

[viscid swift]

there's Bismarck Zwei

[sweet delta]

according to the game, SSV counts for avi so i guess they count for AA too

[soft raft]

So BBs
Triple 406 MLE (aka Triple 406/50) from PR3
then there's the Triple 380 from PR6 and Gold rarity Triple 406mm (MK-1) from Soyuz Event, but they're more like timing sidegrades to the MLE

[viscid swift]

and Avrora obviously

[cobalt gate]

i see, and i need 120% to get air superiority

[wet badge]

Do i use a bulin to mlb z52 pr do i save that bulin for yk2

[spring bolt]

sub fleet patching acv has been a meme in cn for a while, everyone laughed at it until one day some low cost farming dalao really used it for better consistency

[soft raft]

how many bullins do you have?
if it's any less than 4, save

[lilac ivy]

Nothing i read on vanguard is for the fleet. Except for the AA. only RN also BBs and BCs 6 seconds . Z52 is IB

[wet badge]

1 but i have the z52 copy i could use

[fair tartan]

What about the UR twin AP gun?

[wet badge]

Imagine implac straight up after yk2 event

[soft raft]

That's mainly a mobbing gun or a boss gun for W14/W15 where the faster firerate would be more appreciated
Twin barrel guns dont sync well with Helena

[viscid swift]

highly unlikely

[fair tartan]

Umm so there’s no good UR triple AP gun?

[barren tapir]

even if that happened im safe

[soft raft]

even if Blucher event wasnt bouncing around in the void, still highly doubt

[soft raft]

There's only one triple UR AP BB gun which is the Triple 460 and it's too slow to be useful
Higher rarity does not always equa better

[spring bolt]

not hot take: give up yk2 and take implac if that somehow came true

[cobalt gate]

wait i need 2x of enemy effective air superiority?

[barren tapir]

is that really a hot take

[viscid swift]

ehh not really

though the question is if we would even know about in advance to make that call

[barren tapir]

keep in mind that your AA reduces enemy acv a solid bit

every 80 AA is effectively +1% acv for you

[spring bolt]

we wouldn't, and most likely new ur before next ur rerun

[lilac ivy]

i submit. My bad.

[viscid swift]

anyway, you could use Avrora and Bismarck Zwei for the last 2 slots

[cobalt gate]

i do wonder how much more AA i need, i could just make my boss fleet be full AA radar and check

[barren tapir]

but why tho

[viscid swift]

my dude

[lime ice]

Hi guys

[short wagon]

i just got yuudachi from hard mode do i retrofit her or na

[viscid swift]

what are you even trying to do

[sweet delta]

several things are going on here

1. the 2532 is 1.3x the map's ACV
2. your number divided by 2532 does not include AA and does not include AVI from cats.
3. if your fleet has 5000 total AA, then 2532 * 8000/(8000+5000) * 2 / 1.3 = you need 2397 ACV after cats

[barren tapir]

iirc she isnt worth it

[viscid swift]

meh, low priority unless you have her retrofit item already

[cobalt gate]

i'm doing 15-1 training

[soft raft]

fym training

[barren tapir]

???

[short wagon]

yesir

[viscid swift]

they probably mean leveling in 15-1

[spring bolt]

farming 15-1? as 2532 is 15-1 farming mode acv

[storm heron]

there is farming mode now?

[viscid swift]

meh, too much hassle myself

[fair tartan]

😭

[soft raft]

clearing mode was added to W15 quite a while ago

[cobalt gate]

yeah so want to make it so i can kinda plug in vanguard fleets

[spring bolt]

clearing mode, mb

[viscid swift]

yeah that's not gonna be very reliable if you wanna just go plug in play especially if you use shit

[lime ice]

Can anyone help me build my fleet for w13 or it's just a matter of gears ?

[soft raft]

post your dock in a thread first

[cobalt gate]

i could just add another CV

[lime ice]

I mean it's a lot

[sweet delta]

air superiority should be enough but if you find it unacceptable then change musashi to kearsarge

[rigid onyx]

Are you sure that's accurate? I'm looking at chpt. 13-2 hard and the suggested acv is 3692 = 2840 *1.3

Wiki states enemy airspace control is 3550 not 2840

[lime ice]

Just wanna know what kind of team I'm looking for

[cobalt gate]

yeah was thinking of just doing that if the AA radar thing doesn't work out

[soft raft]

yes that's why you make the thread
so you dont suddenly flood the main chat with a huge wall of images
(This is how you do it btw)

[lime ice]

Oh I see sorry I only know how to pin , I'm getting old

[barren tapir]

if it's on safe, keep in mind safe is -20% acv iirc

[lime ice]

I'll put it up later then

[sweet delta]

you have clearing mode oin, 3692 is correct

[barren tapir]

2840 is 80% of 3550

oh clearing mode not safe i meant*

[rigid onyx]

ah i see

[cobalt gate]

oh giving my boss fleet full aa radars worked

so it was probably close

[barren tapir]

i just checked apparently u can put aa radars on subs

[cobalt gate]

someone said that doesn't count

[barren tapir]

ive heard both, so may be worth a test. the wiki formula just said 'total allied aa'

[cobalt gate]

sure i can test, going to see if removing one by one till no air superiority and then going to equip one to sub and see

but i'm pretty sure people checked before

[spring bolt]

checked cn wiki, it says sub avi/aa counts, and even cat avi/aa counts as well

[stark quiver]

whats the passive Ap regen time

[barren tapir]

1/10min

[stark quiver]

its over 💀

[cobalt gate]

escort so much safer with superiority

you can do cl 1 farm

[barren tapir]

don't tell me u ran out of ap somehow already?

[stark quiver]

idk dailies take a lot

[barren tapir]

how the fuck

[rigid onyx]

Did you buy out the shop AP

[stark quiver]

no,
ive also been clearing map, prolly why

[barren tapir]

i have most of the map unlocked/finished

[stark quiver]

c1 farming?

[cobalt gate]

quick question is there a list of equipment that recover hp?

[barren tapir]

and my akashi luck hasnt been the best either, im barely breaking even afaik rn

[cobalt gate]

i'm +50 ap

[barren tapir]

yeah i began c1 this month starting yesterday

[cobalt gate]

to be honest basically you always stuck barely breaking even

[stark quiver]

how tf do you get that much ap to clear the map and hvae that much to spare

[barren tapir]

actually wait no im ap positive, i think i began with ~2400 ap in boxes, now it's what, 2500?

[cobalt gate]

but i mean you gotta use your coins somehow

[barren tapir]

idk but every month my strat work for me so far

[stark quiver]

which is?

[lime ice]

Chapter 13 , need some help

[dusky vale]

should i be buying iris orthodoxy tech boxes so i can get the rainbow aa gun from gear lab

[cobalt gate]

man 15-1 isn't the core data i was promised

wait it drops cognitive right

[sweet delta]

who promised you core data for 15-1

[barren tapir]

i just start clearing maps pathing to nodes with ap boxes and 10 tunings as reward first, snake around to be able to access most spots for potential dailies, then build up to 100k+ coin, buy all the ap in the shop, and begin c1

also i lied its more like 2/3 map clear, i havent touched center yet

[cobalt gate]

well i mean cognitive, but it doesn't appear as a drop

[viscid swift]

it does but it's not guranteed

[wind hazel]

either that or buying pr2 prints. cheaper to buy box

[sweet delta]

3.3 chips per sortie but it comes in batches 10x the size and 10x rarer

same as every other chapter 12+, but more chips when they do drop

[cobalt gate]

yeah i did 8 runs so thought i at least would see it once already

[stark quiver]

interesting, ill try it out next month
how long c1 farming was that?

[cobalt gate]

oh nvm i made 200 ap now

[barren tapir]

like i said i began c1 this month sometime yesterdayish

[cobalt gate]

seriously depends on how lucky akashi drop is

[thin nova]

is this one worth it?

[tidal owl]

Any augments I can get relatively easy for these guys

[barren tapir]

one moment ill show my map, keep in mind some 'gray' area have the ap paid for already (so i recon it) just havent finished

[stark quiver]

for what gear focus?
2h rigging is better if also pr5

[vernal flume]

How long have u been playing

[thin nova]

I'm not forcusing PR5

[tidal owl]

A month or 2 I’m lvl 58 making my way to 60 to start chapter 8 I don’t really need it but just wondering

[fair tartan]

When you enable auto combat, do the ships actually try to dodge bullets or do they simple perform brownian motion?

[stark quiver]

what are your choices?
and what pr are you focusing

[cobalt gate]

they get drunk

the mainfleet aims thank goodness

[wind hazel]

save your materials for augment that vastly improve the ship, like on sandiego or saratoga etc, before crafting the other purples

[tidal owl]

Sounds good to me thanks

[wind hazel]

additional read and in more details https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/augment-modules

[tidal owl]

Ok so im guessing I should get san diego from exam when I finish and make her augment

Seems like a pretty good deal to me

[stark quiver]

the c1 strats do work

[rigid onyx]

you need to commit to c1 strats

~1k AP before you should 'expect' to have made AP profit from what i've heard

[barren tapir]

idek if i make ap by the end, it's just free exp and comms generator for me while i play other games or go afk or chat

[storm heron]

I mean I am gaining AP from C1 so far, as if I'm robbing AP

[stark quiver]

im about to go negative

[cobalt egret]

What is C1 strat

[stone sluice]

They are even gonna run towards the bullets

[cobalt gate]

so the vanguard barrier from elixir and mystic robe only activates if equiped together on collab character? or just have to be equiped together

[wind hazel]

repeating c1 for akashi spawn to buy more AP to repeat more c1 :despair:

[cobalt egret]

Could be worse I suppose

[barren tapir]

[cobalt egret]

Now the follow-up question is, which C zone is C1

Or do you mean Corrosion 1

[barren tapir]

near nyc port

[cobalt gate]

i mean at least it autos for you pretty much

[barren tapir]

basically idle game passive income

run in background, periodically check in, buy ap, continue running in background

[rigid onyx]

who is this

[barren tapir]

luna collab ship venus vacation

[stark quiver]

luna

[cobalt gate]

ugh stupid 15-1 auto choosing danger aircraft for no bullet

[storm heron]

you guys don't choose the most difficult enemy path possible during w15 clears?

[spring bolt]

well easiest solutions is to level 2 vanguards + 1 backline, at least that's what i am doing without issue definitely not because i am leveling fritz+z52

[warm trail]

what's a good submarine

[cobalt gate]

ok i tested, subs do count for the air superioirty

[warm trail]

do u even upgrade submarines

[stark quiver]

flasher,albacore,archerfish,homura in a comp

[knotty sleet]

I try saving oil for event just doing opsi and getting oil comission, now I see a lot low oil reward in comission, is this purely random or act according our behaviour ? how to "reset" it?

[cobalt gate]

i'm still using the u corp comp although no idea which is good

[warm trail]

thanks

do i max 120 my 1st fleet before everyone else?

[viscid swift]

It's random as far as we know

[stark quiver]

what?

[warm trail]

max is lvl 120 right, do i max my 1st fleet first?

[knotty sleet]

okie thanks

[stark quiver]

whats your firtst fleet

[zinc turret]

max is 125 btw

[warm trail]

[stark quiver]

if youre using a sub fleet, you can just slot the ships into the sub fleet itself

[warm trail]

im sorry, wat?

[sweet delta]

I don't understand either

For now, you should raise submarines enough to beat the level 65 weekly raid

[stark quiver]

am i missing something

[warm trail]

im lvl 55

no i was just asking, do i need to lvl 125 max my first fleet

before doing the other ships

[sweet delta]

No, 120 is enough

[warm trail]

my birdbrain cant process

[sweet delta]

At a full fleet of 110 though maybe you should level up some ships for a second fleet

[warm trail]

im 3staring stages rn but im stuck at ch 7

[warm trail]

ohhh

[viscid swift]

Gearing needs work then

Because no other way that fleet fails to 3 star w7

[warm trail]

im stuck because, i didnot do it yet

[sweet delta]

They seem to be commander level gated somehow

Which is odd with a full 110 fleet

[viscid swift]

Seems like a lot of premature use of Xp packs then

[warm trail]

oh man i should have not retired my bulins

[viscid swift]

No shit

[warm trail]

fr, i have like 30 of them

[viscid swift]

Also shouldn't have used so many xp packs on those ships

[sweet delta]

Do a war archive like Divergent Chess board, start from C1 and go to D4 to farm D4

[warm trail]

gold bulins

[warm trail]

wat they giv

[sweet delta]

Oh it's probably years of dorm exp and 0 commander exp

Ironblood ships for tech points

[warm trail]

i had this acc for like 3 yrs already idk

i was using my other head when playing, now i decided to atleast do the game fr

[sweet delta]

well fr fr go clear chapter 7, and whenever you're not high enough player level for the next chapter then do Divergent Chessboard

[warm trail]

ok, thanks man

[cobalt gate]

so are guns and planes the most useful to +13? since it increase 18% coificcency? thats like 18% increase in damage right

[zinc turret]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[warm trail]

did they removed the reach limit

[stark quiver]

they usually have more prio for selectors yes

[viscid swift]

The what

[warm trail]

when u select ur fleet on campaign, they have this tile reach

now it's gone

[viscid swift]

For clearing mode at least yes

[warm trail]

ahhhhh

[barren tapir]

what's the sync timing for avp again?

[eternal moth]

She should be launching second

[barren tapir]

by how much difference is ok

[eternal moth]

You want to keep everyone within about .5s

[warm trail]

cant remove this? event ended already

[barren tapir]

oof that's ognna be hard

[stark quiver]

gonna go away this maint

its to give people 1 more week after event end to mlb their ships for the cta portrait frame

[sudden briar]

How much much of an increase does the damage modifier level on +11-13 gear indicate exactly?

[eternal moth]

18% difference from 10 to 13

[sudden briar]

Whoa that's crazy. Thank you!

[eternal moth]

That's only on weapons, not necessarily auxes

[barren tapir]

how does within 0.5s work also wont they jam

[sudden briar]

Yeah I noticed auxs have flat stat increases directly. Which makes sense.

[warm trail]

ahhh

[storm heron]

how many coins do you need for ytII?

[eternal moth]

That depends on the number of builds you need to do

[storm heron]

is the 44 free tickets at once?

or do I need to wait daily

[eternal moth]

No, that's over the full event. 10 from shop, some amount given right away, and others for rewards

[stark quiver]

im just gonna go ham with cubes too, impatient

[barren tapir]

like would this work for CM

avp 22.66, amagi 22.96, rumey 22.49

[eternal moth]

That's probably ok.

[barren tapir]

theyll desync eventually tho or am i misunderstanding how this stuff works

is there no way to keep them synced for the entire fight feel like the jamming makes it impossible

[stark quiver]

1s diff between launches at point 3 already

[barren tapir]

its a minimum of 1s tho bc of jamming

i also came up with this but it requires helldiver on amagi which is probably bad for dmg

[sweet delta]

0.1s difference is ok for 3 minutes, 0.05s difference is ok for 6 minutes

[barren tapir]

feels like avp is hard af to get close to the others, this one is 22.66, 22.48, 22.49

no clue how i can get avp to 22.5x or 22.4x

[stark quiver]

how does jamming work for cvs?

[barren tapir]

im gonna need 9.5 minutes at minimum so i need 0.03s

i found one for 22.43 but its not ideal for her to be first ...if they all jam is it possible to make her go later by making her offflag

[sweet delta]

or 🕹️

[barren tapir]

oh wait i think i found one... avp 22.58, amagi 22.48, rumey 22.49

would this be sufficient

[sweet delta]

but that's not good because avp needs to be second especially when they start desynicnig

[barren tapir]

looks like shes either 1st or 3rd, gotta do some wizardry on the others again...

the problem is the other options are much bigger gaps

would avp 22.66, rumey 22.49, amagi 22.86 work

oh ok i ditched skyraider and now i have avp 21.75, rumey 21.69, amagi 21.98

[storm heron]

am I cooked?

[stark quiver]

just wait an hour 15 🧠

[soft raft]

or just take the L and take either the cube research or the Flandre face project

[storm heron]

I bought 4k oil with 240 gems just now

[stark quiver]

what the fuck

[barren tapir]

would avp 21.75 or 21.90 be better with rumey 21.69 and amagi 21.98? i cant really adjust them any better than this will i even have the dps without skyraider?

[storm heron]

oh yea cube research ain't that bad for refresh true true

though gold wise I'm probably cooked

[barren tapir]

how bad is this, and how important is freeze for rockets vs torps?

[storm heron]

I actually have never tried any fancy sync in CM, I didn't even know that the stall is that long (0.5s)

[barren tapir]

i can sync avp either closer to rumey or closer to amagi depending on what's more important

i still hope i can fit skyraider in somehow...altho actually, how does +13 bf109 compare to +10 sky

[storm heron]

now I believe that I can't tech with non mlb, this might make the +140% decrease or increase depending on how much suchi's tech is

[lucid crest]

I want to equip this C42T to Z52 but it says it can only be equipped by BBs and CLs?
Is this a bug?

[barren tapir]

oh apparently it's worse according to larscalc, by about 10%

ok then i'll just ignore the skyraider faster reload prolly means more helena too

[shell willow]

only few DDs can equip cl guns

[storm heron]

it can be equipped by some destroyer like Felix and Otto

[lucid crest]

Hmm, guess I'll just switch

[warm trail]

do i enahnce bad equipments or wait for lvl 60?

[lucid crest]

Wait is Z52 even gun oriented?

[barren tapir]

equips.

21.98, 21.90, 21.69 respectively

im kinda hamstrung on options by only being able to get 1 of each timing adj so i am wondering if this is enough or i have to try tinkering more

[storm heron]

no, it's barrage oriented

[barren tapir]

actually im just cooked, i dont have 4 bf109gs

[storm heron]

you can enhance poverty equipments to +6 depends on how much resources you have

[warm trail]

fight poverty with poverty

[storm heron]

pr5 moment

[lucid crest]

Type 98 then

[storm heron]

single 113 from gearlab best

[lucid crest]

Haven't gotten far for gears yet

[storm heron]

some ships need twin100 more

oh what is type 100?

[barren tapir]

ok i found a solution

[storm heron]

might as well use blue single 76

[tranquil saffron]

Does fritz replace anyone in the normal opsi CV fleet?

[storm heron]

maybe, for medium armor

[barren tapir]

in order: 21.98, 21.79, 21.69

will this work

[stark quiver]

0.1 apart and 0.19 apart

[storm heron]

looks like it's gonna work

[lucid crest]

My bad, it's type 98

[stark quiver]

maybe if the torps dont whiff that hard

[warm trail]

is ryza good?

[storm heron]

just use blue single 76

[lucid crest]

Also I don't see single 113

[soft raft]

Only if you have the Collab gear

[storm heron]

royal navy destroyer gun in gear lab

[warm trail]

ah fk

[soft raft]

British DD gun tab

[lucid crest]

Oh gold gun, thanks

[warm trail]

that idea did not came to me,

[barren tapir]

theres just no way i can see 💀 amagi already has the fastest planes and avp is a snail who needs the beacon guaranteed

[soft raft]

PR6 catch-up should be pretty soon right?

[warm trail]

why do i have too much bunker/lube/hfo/FO/MGFHO/MGO oil

[storm heron]

Idr if all PR(K-2) catchup, PR(K-3) gear lab, PR(K-1) medal shop, are all gonna be updated at the same time sometime after the release of PR(K)

[barren tapir]

i basically can do avp 21.79, amagi 21.98, rumey 21.69, or i can do avp 22.66, amagi 22.86, rumey 22.49, these seem the only way to have avp be 2nd

[storm heron]

math stuff, more range

[barren tapir]

which would be better?

[viscid swift]

Should all be the same update

[rigid onyx]

Why is the single 76 'worse' than the 113mm? is it just the fp?

[storm heron]

what about PR(K) fatesim?

[barren tapir]

fp and range

[viscid swift]

That's August

[soft raft]

Yop
And in Z52's case specifically, her FP isnt dogshit enough and her AoA isn't busted enough to make running the 76mm worth it

Unless you can't afford to make the British single 113

[storm heron]

also DR(K-3) coining, PR(K-2) coining

[barren tapir]

the calc claims that the slower version deals less dmg i think and it probably syncs worse too. but it has skyraider which i thought is good

[viscid swift]

Same update as everything's else

[rigid onyx]

watched a video that had the 76mm perform identically to the 113mm with sample size of like 2 each so I doubt that running the 76 'isnt worth it' (still worse though)

[storm heron]

dang that's a massive update

[stark quiver]

would it be a jimmy video

[soft raft]

That sample size is way too small

[viscid swift]

Like if you're more sure on stuff like this you can always look at last year's updates and see what happens when

That's pretty much what I do

[storm heron]

Jimmy ended testing too early

[stark quiver]

is the pr6 catchup within this m then?

[rigid onyx]

iirc last year it was on the 30th?

[storm heron]

did Jimmy really take only 1 sample there?

[barren tapir]

using worse planes to sync closer isnt worth it right like using hvar over bf109g

wait i found a way to sync within 0.02s but it requires a +6 plane on avp..is THAT worth?

[storm heron]

prolly not unless it's obviously worse

is that worth

[barren tapir]

wait no im dumb i forgot about the homing beacon issue

[warm trail]

how many slots do we get in the dorm when starting?

[barren tapir]

if amagi and rumey are 0.01 apart it's ok for avp to be very slightly behind and third?

[warm trail]

ohhhhh? so if i unlock 6, i can keep playing yes?

[barren tapir]

oh god this is cursed

amagi 22.48, rumey 22.49, avp 22.51, is it worth it?

[warm trail]

why would u unlock the 2nd floor?

[barren tapir]

morale regen

[barren tapir]

would this even have the dps needed

[eternal moth]

It doubles your number of dorm slots

[storm heron]

so you have 0.03s difference every airstrike per 22.48s aistrike, for more than 1s difference, you need 33 airstrike or 741s or 12 minutes, that's literally overkill

[vestal glen]

is it good idea to be running rumey, enterprise, and yt 2?

[warm trail]

ohhh? so so, instead of going 6 in the 1st floor, u get the other 3 on the 2nd floor. am i right?

[barren tapir]

it's the closest i can get lol, but nothing else is much better, they all involve a partially levelled fast DB on avp

[eternal moth]

Yes. Also, if you buy the 4th slot on the bottom floor, you get a 4th slot on the second as well

[storm heron]

what is this for again? katsu?

[barren tapir]

im gonna try tweaking this using this cursed strategy but without skyraider since im not so sure it's actually better than bf109g

[warm trail]

thanks, hamaal smort

[barren tapir]

katsu yes prepping in advance

oh right the non-skyraider wont work bc no matter what rumey and amagi are 0.3s apart

either rumey 0.3s faster, or 0.3s slower. nothing in between

[rapid grail]

Anyone got visuals for Nagato and Taihou META's barrages? Gonna raise both of them on my alt bcs they don't cost bulins

[eternal moth]

I had katsu last night. Katsu curry udon. It was great

[barren tapir]

ok yeah this other option is just way too bad, 0.3s sync gap and lower total dps bc avp somehow is even more gimped to make it work lol

guess ill cope with the 22.5 cycling

[mild sail]

I think this would do for a 14-3 mob fleet

[eternal moth]

AvP has at least one IB plane right?

[stark quiver]

avp firing last

he found a good sync
i couldnt get one

[storm heron]

can avp make sure torp no whiff if not launch middle?

or is putting avp in the middle the only way

[barren tapir]

yes, that's not really the issue, the issue with double bfg rumey or bfg+ju rumey is that she is either 0.3s faster or 0.3s slower than amagi (with bfg and 2 ju to be as fast as possible)

ryuuseis dont slow amagi enough iirc but lemme double check rq

oh no they do but now idk if i can get avp to be 22.25

[eternal moth]

I was more wondering about her damage. Check that talent for why

[atomic abyss]

it is the optimal way

[barren tapir]

yeah now avp is too fast

either too fast with beacon or too slow without it

[storm heron]

solution is with vit

[eternal moth]

Too fast means you can put slower planes on.

[atomic abyss]

just swap one of AvP's other planes...

[storm heron]

but we all know

[eternal moth]

Keep the BF-109, change one of the other ones.

[atomic abyss]

you only need 1 german plane which is fulfilled by the BF109G

[barren tapir]

oh wait this works with a +6 helldiver, but is that better?

[stark quiver]

is there any gaurentee for rainbow bps in c6 sbyssals

[eternal moth]

I don't think so

[barren tapir]

amagi 22.48, rumey 22.49, avp 22.51 in the first

amagi 22.23, rumey 22.29, avp 22.30 in the second

[atomic abyss]

why do you insist on using a D-4?

[barren tapir]

this is the only ways ive found to sync them within 0.05s of avp :/

cos that's what gets me the closest sync times?

[eternal moth]

You know I said .5 seconds, not .05, right?

[barren tapir]

it has to be 0.05s to stay synced for 10 minutes

[stark quiver]

it appears my luck is just bad

[storm heron]

well the second one is kinda worse than what I did

[sweet delta]

you know .5s desyncs after 2 strikes right]

[barren tapir]

you do realize we have different tech right

i have exactly +5 rld tech and that's it

[storm heron]

alright I'll turn them down

[atomic abyss]

wait

[sweet delta]

you have almost 2 months to get better cats

[barren tapir]

[atomic abyss]

why is fritz getting skyraider anyways

[stark quiver]

what are we preparing for

[storm heron]

katsu

[barren tapir]

katsu hard

[barren tapir]

figured she'd be the strongest with it, and i only have 3 bfgs atm

[stark quiver]

yo i dont think katsu is here in 2 months 💀

[barren tapir]

following this claims it beats bfg also

anyway i have 2 workable sync options but both require a non-maxed db on avp but i think otherwise they work? its not like avp's db does a lot of dps

and both these options should remain synced for 8-10 minutes without issue

[storm heron]

damn wtf syncing at 5 rld actually feels different than syncing at 40 rld

[eternal moth]

41 now lol

[stark quiver]

~~naw really ~~

[barren tapir]

no cat rld either, my best are every+drake ive yet to roll a single not-garbage bishmaru

[opaque galleon]

What’s katsu hard?

[stark quiver]

just sync at 0 rld
ez

[stark quiver]

this months challenge mode

[barren tapir]

admittedly i havent tried syncing on 0-4 rld

would it make a big diff tho tbh

[atomic abyss]

no tenrai?

[elder lily]

So which world to grind Exp for PR

[storm heron]

reducing rld seems to inflate the diff nvm it apparently as suchi said, it depends

[atomic abyss]

w12

[barren tapir]

tenrai is worse than skyraider and i dont have one yet

[atomic abyss]

tenrai for avp i mean...

[barren tapir]

pr5 diff i know

[atomic abyss]

[barren tapir]

wont tenrai make her too slow anyway

wtf is that last plane on amagi

[obsidian ivy]

Vanguard is next for perm after Kron right

[atomic abyss]

vit-2 mode change from pr7

[barren tapir]

oh i dont have that either

[opaque galleon]

Are you having trouble with syncing?

[obsidian ivy]

Nice that might just mean they will add table to shop....maybe...

[barren tapir]

i mean i have 2 sync solutions i came up with myself, im just wondering if they'd do enough dps

[storm heron]

unfortunate aurora, just eat the +3 shiden kai

[eternal moth]

Why not just try it and find out?

[opaque galleon]

You can just manual it

[stark quiver]

idk if they even have fritz levled up

[barren tapir]

gear planning for the end of the month

[fair tartan]

Hi, may I am irrelevant question? Are you employed by manjuu bro?💀

[barren tapir]

so i know what to prep for in gearlab, plates, etc

[barren tapir]

what

[obsidian ivy]

Why do you ask that

[atomic abyss]

helldiver works too, 22.90

[fair tartan]

I thought you were employed by manjuu to answer these questions in this discord because I see you 24/7 here

[barren tapir]

tho i am curious to know which would be better, assuming i cant find a third solution

[eternal moth]

He's asking questions, not answering them

[atomic abyss]

manjuu doesnt even know their own game this well

[opaque galleon]

They are looking for answers lol

[stark quiver]

manjuu peeps are yellow names

[atomic abyss]

anyways aurora, solution above

no that's yostar

[barren tapir]

wasnt avp supposed to be 2nd or 3rd

[stark quiver]

bruh
i thopught tehy were the same

[atomic abyss]

no point if you cant even hit your timings

[barren tapir]

i forgot that saiun existed tho, ill try comps with it

i mean i had timings to within 0.07s and 0.03s just with a gimped db slot

[atomic abyss]

which is far worse

[fair tartan]

Ok sorry for the stupid question then😭

[atomic abyss]

ah wait solved

[opaque galleon]

I would honestly just manual sync, you can auto until the first airstrike/salvo is nearly loaded, then turn off auto until 3 strikes are loaded. For long fights like this, that’s probably better if you’re lacking equipment and ships

[atomic abyss]

better a +10 Ju-87 than a +6 helldiver

[eternal moth]

And that's with either 0 or 5 fleet tech RLD?

[barren tapir]

i found another solution

[atomic abyss]

i didnt even bother tuning rld

it was 0 anyways

[barren tapir]

amagi 21.84, avp 21.79, rumey 21.69

hvar bc i have 3 bfgs lol

[atomic abyss]

you cooked too hard

[barren tapir]

actually no i dont have enough for both 3 bfgs and a saiun but i can go pr4 focus and fix that i think

but i also need d30 plymouth

[atomic abyss]

if your idea was to use skyraider why drop it?

[opaque galleon]

With a backline like this, I reckon you’d need upwards of 10 strikes

[opaque galleon]

Doesn’t add much to this comp

[barren tapir]

it's a mid end cv so will take 9.5-10mins with lots of resets

[atomic abyss]

like i said this

[barren tapir]

shield breaking and raw damage

[atomic abyss]

this is 0 cv rld
with 5 it'll be even closer

[opaque galleon]

That’s close to 25 strikes then no? You absolutely are desyncing.

[atomic abyss]

5 CV rld

1 saiun 1 ryuusei 1 d-4

[storm heron]

0.09 difference, 11 airstrike to 1s, 16 airstrike to 1.5s

[barren tapir]

which calc is this also bc im getting completely different results

[storm heron]

waiting for suchi to 🧵

[barren tapir]

wait nvm i just misread the builds lol my bad

avp 22.58, amagi 22.56, rumey 22.49 ok this works ty

[opaque galleon]

Eh, can I also ask why you aren’t doing a BB comp? Unless you have all the best carriers and planes for anti-medium, I think you’ll be better off running AP BBs.

[barren tapir]

wait will they desync around 7min?

my best bbs are gold, all mobber focus, and all want flag. it won't work

[storm heron]

you're lucky not dealing with this

[barren tapir]

for vg im gonna use sandy helena plymouth or sandy helena momo depending on how much plymouth contributes herself vs momo buffing the cvs

[atomic abyss]

Why is fritz using a tb

[eternal moth]

Why would you use Plymouth if not using a BB?

[barren tapir]

i think momo has less pellet volume than plymouth which could be an issue but having 5% dmg 5% avi pretty often for the cvs is probably good

[storm heron]

can't sync lmao, tried tb but they also can't

[barren tapir]

Plymouth has 3 main gun mounts (MGMs) and a guaranteed aimed barrage every 10s.

[eternal moth]

ok... and?

[atomic abyss]

Why do you even have d30 ply before d30 Haku

[barren tapir]

shieldbreaking and high personal dps

i tested her already this month and even without d30 nor her gun she did help quite a bit against the shields

i have momo as an alternative if ply doesnt work anyway

[atomic abyss]

Ply without 30 is noticeably worse

[wind hazel]

you dont have ddg right?

[barren tapir]

i also have yuudachi if i need maximum pellet volume but her contribution is probably below both

[atomic abyss]

Also this

[barren tapir]

exactly why she already perform decent meaning d30 will be great

[wind hazel]

wife obviously

[barren tapir]

favoritism also i went pr5 path

[atomic abyss]

So you only have yourself to blame

[barren tapir]

you can blame sam for easily convincing me when i had 2 wives in pr5 and only 1 in pr4

[atomic abyss]

At that point use z52

[barren tapir]

z52 bypasses shields

[atomic abyss]

Give her twin 100?

[barren tapir]

i mean i dont think it'd be a significant difference? haku is worse than both amagi and rumey vs medium last i knew?

[barren tapir]

i dont see how that'd be better than someone with higher pellet volume though

[atomic abyss]

You're forgetting that amagi buffs haku

And amagi buff conv TBs have higher dmg than BF

[barren tapir]

actually does z52 or momo have better pellet volume

[spring bolt]

needing a freeze means haku will always be benched if amagi and fritz exist

[barren tapir]

i could raise z52 as well but it may be a bit of a strain given yk2 event and time contraints

[atomic abyss]

Because z52 is also a buffer...?

[storm heron]

did I cook? 16 BB RLD, 59 CV RLD, helena + soyuz sync
This only work for cats without rld bonus

[atomic abyss]

And ply ain't buffing carriers?

[barren tapir]

yeah idk if i can manage it in time is the thing

[wind hazel]

i dont think you're accounting the shield breaking contribution enough

[atomic abyss]

Again, why is fritz using a TB

[barren tapir]

who's that to?

[wind hazel]

shield breaking is more important than any buff. the buff is useless if your backline is hitting into shield, or katsu heal more than you can break shield and do damage

[barren tapir]

i saw ply even with half aoa and 2mgm help a lot in my early trials on jan 1 she was lvl105 too and still did not terrible damage, using a purple ass gun

[storm heron]

I couldn't find a working sync

[barren tapir]

which is why i think d30 ply with her gun will do a LOT

[atomic abyss]

I'll do it in 10 mins

I don't have my computer rn

[opaque galleon]

How many la9s you have?

[barren tapir]

that heal really is brutal

[wind hazel]

also i recommend to just manual, and slap the best gear on them

[barren tapir]

iirc with yuudachi helena plymouth i was able to break the shield in 8-10 seconds fairly consistently. i assume sandy + d30 ply can do it faster.

[atomic abyss]

76 sucks at shield breaking btw

[barren tapir]

sandy not necessarily faster than yuudachi but

protect cv hidden

[storm heron]

unfortunately lars doesn't have infinite scroll for the plane options

[barren tapir]

my cv always revealed by 3mins in, so having hidden for much longer will be huge rdps from sandy

[shell willow]

doesnt sandy barrage also ignore shields

[barren tapir]

augment yes but she has 2 mgm

same as yuudachi but she brings much needed AA to boost your cv dps

[eternal moth]

She also uses a DD and not CL gun, so shoots a lot faster.

[shell willow]

i see

[barren tapir]

yuudachi also uses dd gun theyre comparable but sandy does more dmg and boosts cvs a lot

sandy is also tankier which is kinda important also

[eternal moth]

Sorry, I meant she shoots a lot faster than Ply

[wind hazel]

sandy helena ddg can reliably break shield for triple BB 🌈 to work, clear within 7min

[atomic abyss]

Were you even using the correct gun for poi

[barren tapir]

ply is still pretty fast considering

[storm heron]

2 instead of 2/3, list of planes can be updated dynamically by adding a plane into the slot and pressing next, when the current is empty the next plane is (1), when the current is filled the next plane is empty but oh well what is feedback from me anyways, nobody really cares, although this is helpful for CM syncing especially planes with flex slots, it's not like it's that easy to do this, and I understand

[barren tapir]

i used what suchi recommended which i have, harbin gun. 100kai better but i cant make one yet

[barren tapir]

3 mgm is pretty helpful and her aimed barrage is guaranteed hit and lots of pelletes

plus she herself does a lot of dps which is pretty important as well

[eternal moth]

Finally managed to get Sandy's aug on my alt, now just to earn the last 10k coins to get to level 10

[barren tapir]

tbh im fairly confident i can do it with what ive got, considering no slow amagi and using ruppy got me to 20% left (on good roll) and my gear will be upgraded/better by then as well, and ply wont be gimped, and sandy is better than yuudachi

it may take a couple hours rolling for helena ideal sync time proc rng and good pattern rng for the shields but like it should work. im also gonna call in tempestas for one shield cycle

[spring bolt]

i can try the cn speed adjusting tool
are you using lv30 bisha? how many la9 do you have?

[barren tapir]

its mostly i just needed a workable sync and now i have 3 i can try out and prepare for . enders does the most dmg i think, but might desync after 7mins, so ill use that but keep one of mine on the back burner just in case

[storm heron]

1 la-9, I have 80 rld in total, I am using ark and jiroumaru

[spring bolt]

alright, jiromaru has same rld buff as bisha so that make things easier, 1 moment

[barren tapir]

random question: does enty or amagi do more damage on average to medium armor assuming both have avp and rumey as partners wanna know how tight i am compared to suchis example

[atomic abyss]

Amagi does more without question

[storm heron]

what kind of modifiers is enty's Little E?

[opaque galleon]

Enty without YK2 auto syncing and buffs is a bit mid

[atomic abyss]

Lucky E I assume?
Flat +100% damage

[barren tapir]

ok good i am not cooked

[opaque galleon]

With that being said, there is a world where you get YK2 within the month, and play a 2 Skyraider, 5 bf109g fleet

[storm heron]

enty's 3989 (170%) = 6781 vs amagi's 8498

[opaque galleon]

I don’t think you would really need to sync a freeze if it’s just enty tbs

[storm heron]

not really reliable but should be close to reliable

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

wait I calculated it wrong

[spring bolt]

backlines lv125, 100 aff no oath, cv rld 80, bb rld 16, this will sync for at least 4 turns
soyuz to nakh is 0.1s, nakh to fritz is 0.09s

[opaque galleon]

No freeze should be fine for this boss if only worrying about rockets right?

[barren tapir]

dunno. but i dont have the means to field a pure rocket team anyway

still a relatively new player with limited options and some waifu>meta decision issues as ender pointed out heh

[opaque galleon]

Do you not have Soyuz?

[atomic abyss]

and that's with 0 CV rld or BB rld or cats

well soyuz is a bit off

swap to soyuz gun and no issue

[wide basalt]

not sure where to ask this but is there a way to make it so a song wont change if you change screens, I love the home music now but i dont like how whenever I go to the chapters battle screen the music switches on me, was hoping that a feature like this would be added in my time away but im not seeing anything

[hollow gust]

You can adjust with cats

[atomic abyss]

that was incredibly easy to sync

[opaque galleon]

What fleet tool is this btw?

[atomic abyss]

im not sure why you were having issues fybre

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[barren tapir]

i have amagi

[storm heron]

a new challenger has approaching or whatever the english is
still the same thing from before, 59 bb and 16 cv 59 cv and 16 bb rld

[atomic abyss]

[opaque galleon]

I unironically think that there is a world where you disregard amagi and just do syncless rocket fleet with yk2 rerunning.

[eternal moth]

A new challenger has appeared

[hollow gust]

Have fun getting them to do anything without theirs buffs

[atomic abyss]

this aint rodm

[spring bolt]

you sure it's 59 bb 16 cv? not 59 cv 16 bb?

[storm heron]

oops

[spring bolt]

cat? same jiro + ark?

[storm heron]

wait idk actually, I set cv rld to 59 but I didn't put the rld buff

[barren tapir]

wouldnt have enough time to max yk2 imo

[storm heron]

this is so annoying ngl

[hollow gust]

Even if you do that is a garbage fleet

[barren tapir]

and anyway what would the comp even be

[opaque galleon]

I bet yk2, enty, fritz or something can clear… I think I cleared with yk2 enty and kear last year with time to spare

[fair tartan]

How does Fritz compare to other cvs such as enterprise, implacable and shinano?

[atomic abyss]

0 BB 35 CV no cats

[barren tapir]

rumey yk2 and??

[atomic abyss]

it's not that hard

[opaque galleon]

And that was without la9 and only 1 Skyraider

[storm heron]

that twin gun good?

[barren tapir]

amagi did a ton of dmg even with half her torps always missing tho so i'd prefer to trust her honestly

[atomic abyss]

that's daisen gun

[storm heron]

I thought it was niche or something, I guess that could work too, thanks thanks

[hollow gust]

Soyuz is a expensive CV buffer in Nahkimov fleets , nerfing her gun with medicore weapons is fine

[atomic abyss]

you have 2 choices for sushi, and daisen gun is just better than izumo gun which also has similar timing

[storm heron]

well I can't complain for being helped

[atomic abyss]

ignoring non UR enty who cant compete
she lacks the utility of implacable so cant compare either

where shinano shines against heavy armoured bosses especially with amagi
rumey is better than both of them for med and light armour bosses, and for campaign

[hollow gust]

Soyuz

[spring bolt]

soyuz around 20.22s, soyuz to fritz 0.07s, fritz to nakh 0.06s

[barren tapir]

oh yeah would rumey want a CL gun to help shieldbreak or a staag for more hit

[atomic abyss]

again why is a TB necessary

[fair tartan]

She has only two aircraft slots, how does this affect her?

[crimson glacier]

it doesnt

[barren tapir]

she gets 45-65 less avi stat and that's it

[atomic abyss]

it doesnt because she has 8 planes still, the same as enty

[crimson glacier]

amount of slots doesnt mean anything

[barren tapir]

in exchange she can get +10 hit

[storm heron]

makes sense, ender might actualy win against me and dfg

[atomic abyss]

like, genuinely i want to clarify, this is for med right?

[hollow gust]

Much rather nerf Soyuz damage then touch your CVs

[storm heron]

cause sacrificing some damage for greater cat

[atomic abyss]

and i didnt even mess around with cats yet

or rather im too lazy to

[hollow gust]

Equipping CV rld Cats makes timing a lot easier too

[crimson glacier]

where do you even need reload cats

[atomic abyss]

yep, this was just 35

[spring bolt]

wait forgot to change soyuz gun

[hollow gust]

Yeah I'm not feeling that

[atomic abyss]

you will need more CV rld to consistently sync to helena in longer battles tho

(i didnt change it from 80s)

[storm heron]

how do you add sync points?

[atomic abyss]

sorry for bad crop

just go to settings and change the battle length

[final heart]

is air or fp escort mission better early game?

[atomic abyss]

helena counts as "misc"

i used daisen gun since you're most likely to have one lying around upgraded than another fast AP CA gun at least

[storm heron]

1 La9 Helena Soyuz Comp Katsuragi CM
CV: 15 RLD, jirou-ark 40 RLD
BB: 16 RLD

[atomic abyss]

i could try 457 but that would be disgusting amounts of trial and error and would scuff the plane loadout

[spring bolt]

why do you keep changing you cv rld? first it was 80, then 59, now 55???

[atomic abyss]

[storm heron]

I put 59 rld back then, and I was mistaken due to not accounting any rld buff from cat
With jirou/bisha, it should've been 55 rld

[wind hazel]

it will be soon be February the moment you finally finalize what you are gonna use fr fr

[storm heron]

Sorry to trouble you all Thanks for the fleets and ideas, I appreciate it

what is february's CM? I have to prepare

[barren tapir]

nah he has a month almost we gucci

[barren tapir]

newcastle https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/february

im not even gonna try to auto that one

[storm heron]

rip I don't even have bzwei

[barren tapir]

we are both cooked it's ok

[spring bolt]

fritz 20.37s, fritz to nakh 0.07s, nakh to soyuz 0.12s
55 cv rld with, lv30 jiro+bisha skill with 2.576% rld, 16 bb rld
or you can adjust bb rld to 10 and use champy gun, soyuz will have perfect sync with nakh timing

oh wait mb, i mistook jiro skill for rld, it should be acc, so rld % buff is 1.288%, but the sync is still good

[karmic pebble]

can i get gear reccomendation for fritz rumey

[storm heron]

this will do more damage right than the junkers

[shell willow]

it depends on where you wanna use her (like all carriers)

[storm heron]

but I guess I will test all of them once I have rumey

[karmic pebble]

whats ur reccomendation

is she best for boss fleets, mob fleets, or opsi

i know nothing bout her

[spring bolt]

yes but it means nakh need to get rid of ad-1 to keep up, not a good deal on paper

[storm heron]

oh yea

[spring bolt]

something like this

[atomic abyss]

campaign boss, med armour bosses in opsi/meta/cm

[shell willow]

she supposedly excels at medium/light armor bossing in opsi/showdown, but is also great for campaign. 1000lb bomb fighter + paralel torp for campaign and then double fighter for medium/light armor bossing

generally

[karmic pebble]

well im gonna tackle world 13 soon so lets start there and forward

im thinking boss fleet

[atomic abyss]

flapjack+wyvern then

give her the same AA gun you'd give to BBs, the STAAG

[karmic pebble]

alright bet and 2 catapults?

[coarse heron]

So, August's +10% Reload if Iron Blood plane isn't shown in game, right?
I figured it would be shown on https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/ if that's the case but I put the same planes I have on August in game and it's showing the exact same reload time as in-game

did I miss a checkbox?

[wind hazel]

dont think it shows on renhex's

[coarse heron]

is there one where it does? I'm tired of trying to keep track of all these different sites that look the same

[turbid dawn]

I ran basically the exact same setup as Meta fight since I’m still levelling Fritz and got a 5m6s kill. I seem to have this issue where Soyuz does more dmg then I expect and Amagi does less in the same regard

[wind hazel]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[hollow gust]

Bristol

[wind hazel]

that's taiyuan

[coarse heron]

ah ok, just wish the UI on that site was smaller, so much scrolling

[shell willow]

you can make it smaller in settings

[wind hazel]

can set it to ultra compact yeah

[storm heron]

bristol lol

[shell willow]

getting mvp has no effect at all on morale, right?

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898942843874332762.webp?size=56&animated=true

[coarse heron]

yeah I found it

and reduced the scaling too, much better now

[fervent niche]

what's the best cv fleet for heavy armor with their respective vanguard fleet

[coarse heron]

if the enemy doesn't move, 3 UR IJN CVs, Kazagumo, Sirius, and any 3rd Vanguard
If the enemy moves, you'll need a ship to root the enemy

[fervent niche]

what is the ijn cvs? amagi, nano, haku?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[fervent niche]

thanks, also who else could root besides AVP

[atomic abyss]

implacable, nakhimov

[zinc hornet]

other than the augment, is there anything particularly wrong with this build? Also can't afford UR stuff from gear lab atm

[atomic abyss]

main gun

it's not bad but not optimal

[cobalt rapids]

depends what ure doing with her

[zinc hornet]

Vanguard does better than my FDG in pretty much every mode with an identical loadout but with the yellow shell instead of white, so im trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong with her

[atomic abyss]

^

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

fdg isnt syncing with vanguard i assume

[zinc hornet]

FDG is Fate 0 also

[cobalt rapids]

gear depends on content

[wind hazel]

fdg vs vanguard, same gear

[storm heron]

vanguard having an extra salvo

[zinc hornet]

no i mean when i swap fdg for vanguard

[atomic abyss]

as umi said, what's the context

[jaunty vault]

level 148

[cobalt rapids]

mby vanny is farming plane dmg

or she gets extra salvo, or who knows because this has no context

[zinc hornet]

here's taihou meta for example

and this is katsuragi medium

[atomic abyss]

farming plane dmg

[zinc hornet]

both fleets cleared 13-4 boss in 67 seconds with one try each so small sample size

[atomic abyss]

is vanguard using a different gun?

[zinc hornet]

no same gun

[atomic abyss]

helena is there

could be just scuffed rng with helena lol

[atomic abyss]

also fdg is highly dependent on main gun damage

by having a worse gun impacts her damage more noticeably

[zinc hornet]

would be super scuffed to be 8% damage difference over a 10 minute katsuragi fight

[zinc hornet]

do i absolutely need the UR gun then?

[crimson glacier]

why use those guns on either of them ever

[atomic abyss]

no

the UR BB gun wouldnt solve your problems if its the wrong one

[barren tapir]

wha thank you i didnt know about this

[crimson glacier]

and vanguard has by far the lowest dps of any rainbow BB and its not even close

[atomic abyss]

give both of them this gun for katsuragi/taihou

it is the best BB AP gun for syncing with helena

[zinc hornet]

ofc, she's a support

[crimson glacier]

and well, testing does nothing but harm when you have no idea how to test

[atomic abyss]

the gun you're using doesnt even sync with helena
and it's HE, which does less to med and heavy

putting someone like fdg at a larger disadvantage

[storm heron]

1 sample size

[zinc hornet]

The damage is consistent over dozens of tests for each

katsuragi is one test each because it's a 10 minute fight so id imagine it averages out pretty well

I'm going to swap the main gun and run again

[crimson glacier]

using helena is good way to make your tests completely irrelevant

[south sequoia]

also a good way to make your tests completely frustrating to record for

[atomic abyss]

no test with helena is ever gonna be consistent

[barren tapir]

btw for rumeys skill here, is there a duration on this debuff im blind and dont see one

[zinc hornet]

I'll drop helena for like an shan or something

[cobalt rapids]

it was both

[storm heron]

that plus helena's variance =

[sweet delta]

but don't you have high rld and oath

[barren tapir]

just wondering if rumey is an effectively permanent 1.08x fleet dmg multiplier after like half a minute or so (on one boss)

[sweet delta]

More like after 10s

[barren tapir]

wait how many shots is her CA gun per salvo

[cobalt rapids]

[barren tapir]

but anywho, the debuff has no duration right? couldnt find one

[zinc hornet]

will this test alright?

[cobalt rapids]

what is there to test

[storm heron]

well will the vanguard even survive

[boreal wagon]

it lasts until she sinks or the battle ends whichever happens first

[barren tapir]

according to mrlar very inaccurate dmg test result my fleet definitely has the dommage to clear katsu

[zinc hornet]

overall damage when i swap the flagship

[barren tapir]

GOATED SHIP

and to think i was considering to skip her to save cube

[crimson glacier]

idk, total dmg probably gets decided by who gets better torp miss rng

[cobalt rapids]

ure using bad guns and vanny is farming plane dmg thats the tldr

[crimson glacier]

since you have no way to guarantee your stuff hitting

unless the fight has gimmick for it

[zinc hornet]

hmm yeah that's true

[zinc hornet]

i swapped the guns now and the bottom line is that i cleared with vanguard but had 8% left after 10 mins with fdg

[sweet delta]

snatching half of Sandy's plane dmg

Well that's because vanguard is just the better ship

[barren tapir]

5.25m damage ignoring helena buff and all barrages (bit less due to geo accuracy issues ig)

[sweet delta]

*for most places

[zinc hornet]

you're gonna start a war with statements like that

[atomic abyss]

not really

[barren tapir]

hol up what are we testing

[crimson glacier]

i think everyone agrees with that lol

[atomic abyss]

vanguard is objectively the better ship for bossing

[zinc hornet]

man the number of times I've been told fdg > vanguard

[wind hazel]

from who, hoffen? lol

[barren tapir]

i feel like vanguard better cos she buff ur whole ass fleet

[storm heron]

we are doing inference of why vanguard deals much more damage than fdg in that meta fight, with different fight containing helena and improper gears

[atomic abyss]

#al-general isnt exactly a reliable source

[barren tapir]

i think that would result in higher total rdps than fdg tbh

[barren tapir]

probably rng or extra salvo seems obvious to me

[atomic abyss]

fdg has always been better as a mobber

[zinc hornet]

it's not vanguard doing more damage than fdg. it's whole fleet damage. it's also over multiple modes, not just meta

[crimson glacier]

for bosses vanguard is just better

[barren tapir]

assuming he geared the ships properly

[atomic abyss]

you have also stacked odds against fdg's favour

[crimson glacier]

and yeah you just nerfed fdg to the ground with shit gears

[barren tapir]

iirc ur sample sizes are like 1

1 from each mode is still a shit sample size honestly

[crimson glacier]

tho for easier bosses fdg probably still wins

[atomic abyss]

he claims to have done multiple

[cobalt rapids]

because vanguard has actuall fleet support so even if u nerf her performance with bad guns she will contribute to the fleet and her contribution will be even greater relative to a nerfed fdg

[barren tapir]

well i only seen one or two that he posted

[storm heron]

inference mentioned, it's statistical testing time

[zinc hornet]

man I've said this multiple times but this is over the entire meta event. I've tested fdg and vanguard in various comps and my fdg fleets never deal more than 500k damage

[barren tapir]

wouldnt vanguard rdps contribution also scale based on your overall fleet, like how good the ships you give her are

[zinc hornet]

same for nagato meta but my fdg was fresh back then