gameplay-help

[wet badge]

should i focus more on gear research to save money for yk2

i also need la9 anw\

[tropic tusk]

yk2 first as research isnt limited u can do it anytime u want , while yk2 if the banner gone who knows when she re run again

[wet badge]

ok

[jovial cosmos]

Did i just bricked my OpSi for fighting the hard arbiter challenge?

[atomic abyss]

A really good option
She's one of the best tanks in the game

[jaunty vault]

you can rechallenge harby as many times as you want
although you won't get rewards you already got for the month once

[lament spade]

man what the hell

[jaunty vault]

what

[atomic abyss]

I'm not sure why you posted that here

[lament spade]

ye idk I don't even need any help to begin with

[rapid grail]

welcome to pvp

[lucid hamlet]

Is Giulio cesare meta any good

[lament spade]

look like it's been a problem for long time

usable I think

[jovial cosmos]

It's my first time fighting hard mode, and i already used all four fleet, I'm so cooked and can't leave

[barren barn]

Should i develop fdg or agir, those are my fleets

[jaunty vault]

you should develop both of them

[jaunty vault]

exit button on bottom right

[sinful escarp]

i wouldnt use her outside of tech or something. meta ships needs a lot of things to be "good"

[jovial cosmos]

Oh, my mini player is over the button

[barren barn]

I mean wich one first

[jaunty vault]

fdg

[jovial cosmos]

That's why I can't see them

Anyways, thanks

[lucid hamlet]

I'm new here so I don't have a lot of bbs yet. Are there any that I should focus on

[barren barn]

Ty

[tropic tusk]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give this a read will help u abit

[atomic abyss]

Shit

That's why she's used on CV fleets primarily

[fast steppe]

I've cleared out all the zones that drop adaptability but I'm still missing a good chunk, what's the next best source

[crimson glacier]

just do all zones

[tropic tusk]

y not just do everything

[atomic abyss]

Just do all the nodes lol

[novel solstice]

If symbol on map, do symbol. When no symbols remain on map, farm C5 zones. Repeat next month.

[opal stirrup]

Hi, which shipgirl could use this good looking gun?

[novel solstice]

It's a CL gun, so it is usable by any light cruiser, and as a secondary weapon by most battleships and battlecruisers.

I don't think it's best in slot for anyone.

[opal stirrup]

I'm plan to use it for Sendai or Magami what do you guys think?

[inland shoal]

Well they're both not great ships

[gilded carbon]

The Sakura LC from season 6 of the Shipyard. I believe this was her gun

[opal stirrup]

This one?

[sinful escarp]

yeah, thats the go to gun for certain ships to push their AA. i am not sure if its used by anyone besides shimanto and sandy though

[gilded carbon]

Shimanto? Yes.

[opal stirrup]

Anyway I think I just found the person for the gun and I just upgraded the too

[storm heron]

that's not a good gun.

the only place to use the gun is literally just shimanto d30 pre fate sim V

[storm heron]

:nurnwat:

It's never good on sandy

[opal stirrup]

Welp, I’ve no idea who tf she is, I got her when I first play this game, mistaken her could use this helicopter, but she cute so I decide to keep her

[storm heron]

koln can use it after retro

worth noting that the equipment itself is borderline useless

since hedgehog exist and all

[opal stirrup]

yeah, but when I first play this game. the idea of a shipgirl can use helicopter is pretty badass. And I didn't read anything but think that ever CL shipgirl could use the heli, so that how I got Nurnberg and realise that she can't use the heli

[night totem]

Hi, I'm pretty low on bulin and these 2 are the 2 urs I have to lb left, which one should I focus on first?

[forest palm]

what other UR do you have

[sinful elk]

Chat is Bayard DPS as good as sandy

[night totem]

Sry left the channel, this is all I have

[wide basalt]

whats a good chapter to grind for coins and equipment

[jaunty vault]

w12 for coins and don't grind campaign for equipment

[remote charm]

which one is better when it comes to boss akagi CV or shinano?

[wide basalt]

12-4? and was just thinking might as well get a combo of both if im gonna be in there

[forest palm]

Soyuz

[night totem]

Aight thx

[forest palm]

I assume you mean Amagi you use both together for better results

[jaunty vault]

12-4 is the best coin stage in w12, yes
but it doesn't have good equipment

[remote charm]

ah yes amagi cv

[woven star]

Idk how good sub torp from 13-4 but amount of coins from there good too

[jaunty vault]

ill say it again, you don't wanna grind campaign stages with the goal of getting good equipment drops
aside from the drop rates being terrible, most of the equips can also be found in tech boxes

[woven star]

OK what chances to get gold from t3 box?

[jaunty vault]

what does that even mean

[undone plover]

t3 0%
t4 15%

dont worry about gear so much
if u reach chapter 12 just chill and start working on research and OpSi
u will get 90% of the gear u need in a few months

[woven star]

What I so from OpSi that I can get only one rainbow weapon from the month and maybe 5 gold gear. And as for me it's not so much

For example I need all that and tons of electronics part. So if somewhere I can get some gold gear I'll do it

[forest palm]

a few of these you really don't need to have, or craft, and are more luxury than anything else

[soft raft]

You can open british tech boxes for the Twin 113
Skypirate Triple 234, and 406 Mk7 are very low prio
and the single 113 is very luxury, mainly for Z52

[woven star]

It's a part of my needs and I know that AA I can get from WA for example

[forest palm]

Skypirate isn't worth crafting period, just a waste of materials

[woven star]

Maybe but next from skypirate is rainbow aircraft so for now it's best for me

Don't have enough rainbow parts

[forest palm]

that doesn't justify crafting it when PR6, and Core Data have a better TB that costs less

[woven star]

Which one better then skypirate?

[atomic abyss]

Breguet in core shop

Also it's PR5 with the white VIT-2 no?

[forest palm]

ya it's PR5 forgot it's Chk's plane

[wind hazel]

just use gold barracuda until you can craft wyverns

[woven star]

Core it's not an option. From core one buyout from a month

[atomic abyss]

Why do you need so many

[forest palm]

Skypirate was, and will always be bait 👏

[atomic abyss]

I mean you can't even craft 1 skypirate based on your resources

And electronics are in extremely hot demand for other higher priority gear lab gear

[forest palm]

back in my day we made due with Barracuda

[woven star]

Plus few some cv

[forest palm]

that is pretty shit...

[soft raft]

Double Skypirate good god why

and they're past +10......
With no option to refund those gold plates.........

[forest palm]

and a goldiver these guy is just wasting resources left, and right

[wind hazel]

your budget gearing for exp farming 👍🏼

[undone plover]

at least it was gold gear
@woven star gold plates are really rare
make sure u use them on gear that is worth
and skypirates are not one of them
we have a /plus13 command u can consult or just ask here when u feel u want to upgrade stuff beyond +10

[forest palm]

all in all this is a disaster

[wind hazel]

or maybe this variation if you dont need more fighter

it's ok, i had pirates too because i treated ectl like a bible

[forest palm]

I had disdain for Skypirate day one

[wind hazel]

i crafted them for independence

bought the corsair from core too

[undone plover]

also just for future reference
electronics ARE rare
some ppl have said u can get 100 per month
using electronics on roomb (twin113) and skypirate is not really recommended
tiger cat also not worth crafting

most ppl stick with purple f4u corsair then upgrade them to flapjacks slowly

u get a decent amount of resources per month but if u spend them to craft luxury items then u will only hurt yourself

save your electronics for Ju-87D (the KMS torpedo bomber) and then for wyvern after that

the UR BB gun u are trying to craft is also a luxury and can be done later

[forest palm]

[wind hazel]

[forest palm]

but ya I never liked the Skypirate if only because it was slow, and only one ship needed it, and said ship's buff could be beat out by a non buff'd piece

[turbid dawn]

So question, I keep getting told that my Amagi shouldn't be so far behind Nahk but every single fight she's always 100k dmg behind her. Am I just being gaslit or something and it is normal or what

[sharp socket]

well its killing so i personally wouldnt worry too much about it

[obsidian ivy]

My Amagi damage also trails behind Shinano and I always wonder if she's defective somehow or not but they kill taihouM so whatever

[woven star]

Thx, I try to optimize

Cv will be next, now I trying to optimize my BBs

About CVs what a difference between dive bombers and torpedo bombers. I mean which one for mobing and which for bosses better?

[spring bolt]

this meta just has a lot of extra factors like mobs, boss high eva stats, and your loadout/airstrike order will affect the damage dealt
anyway, end screen is just for a quick look, it can be very inaccurate

[undone plover]

most likely she is slower then and u are killing the boss before she lands her final rotation fully
watch the fight to see what is happening
or maybe u are giving her not all +13 gear?

[turbid dawn]

It's consistently a case of she maybe doesnt get her last few TBs to hit as it dies, but even if I don't clear it because I didnt get 1 proc from Helena it's the same anyway. Apart from that the gear is almost identical

[small mountain]

On that setup she's supposed to be hitting harder than Amagi. She has higher total efficiency on her TBs and has 15% extra AVI and 40% crit dmg from having Soyuz with her while Amagi just has that extra 10% buff

[soft raft]

mainly the way they deliver their payload
Torpedo bombers like the name would suggest, drop torpedoes
Dive Bombers just dump that shit

As for where each is good, it's heavily context dependent, especially when there's some TBs that are more optimized for bossing (Assuming there's freeze utility they can sync to) and DBs can sometimes be yeeted depending on timing concerns since they're slower

[undone plover]

it is also possible she is getting revealed

[raw pivot]

i need 15 3 help on 3 starring

[turbid dawn]

Neither of them get anywhere near close to being revealed

[soft raft]

get it down to safe threat lvl first

[raw pivot]

i didnt beat it yet my fleet suck

is ryuhoo good for a healer ngl?

[soft raft]

dawg why are you trying to lethal 3*
On your intial clearing runs, no less

[raw pivot]

well i didnt try to 3 star first i try to clear

[turbid dawn]

This is the only in game screenshot I have tbh but yeah they 100% don't get revealed

[raw pivot]

but i still sunk anyway

[soft raft]

What do your fleets even look like?

[raw pivot]

i might need to switch main shipss

right lemme

[hollow gust]

It's timing difference, don't forget you get a damage boost after killing all the summons

[spring bolt]

just don't treat the end screen too serious

[undone plover]

tbf there might be a legit problem as well
double checking is good
maybe what grey said, or maybe just diff
but also is the sync correct? amagi is not whiffing torps is she?

[eager mulch]

[raw pivot]

ye this kinda my 3rd attempt fleet

i put ryuhoo cuz i need heals

[raw pivot]

tis not good

[turbid dawn]

No one is whiffing torps, they're within 0.08s launch time of each other and obviously full stop from Nahk means nothing is missing. The only thing I can think is that because she gets the LA9s in her skills right, that on top of the 40% extra crit dmg but idk, like Dfg said, could just be an end screen issue, I have no idea

[soft raft]

The hell is Reno doing there 💀

[raw pivot]

someone suggested me that

[soft raft]

/w15 give this a read

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[hollow gust]

[wind hazel]

you want to at least level them to 125, need better support fleet than the foxes, and better ships than reno

[raw pivot]

oh no

[wind hazel]

and helena

[raw pivot]

ye i was gonna level up indom

[wind hazel]

subs can be improved too

[raw pivot]

which subs

oof

[wind hazel]

other than albacore

[raw pivot]

alright

[wind hazel]

but yeah easier if you read that /w15 link

[raw pivot]

ye ima nerd for these dw

[bleak nymph]

Opinions on fritz rumey? who is she comparable to? Upgrade/sidegrade/downgrade to Shinano?

[storm heron]

my nakh always 2% better than amagi despite barely connecting
maybe because my amagi's middle saiun is +10

[hollow gust]

Fritz is frankly just a side grade , different CVs specialize in different armor types

[soft raft]

Solid anti-med/light CV
Barely any overlap with Shinano as she is not a buffer nor does she benefit from Shinano's buff

[fast steppe]

i've currently got a +13 table, 2 +13 white shells, 1 +13 black shell and a +13 washing machine, what other auxes should I +13

got enough plates for 2

[hollow gust]

Catapults, Fumo , more survivability auxes

[fast steppe]

thought catas were low prio tho

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

kinda overlaps with ykII, being one of the few carriers best for armor outside heavy

[bleak nymph]

anybody got a link to the excel bible for "tiering" ?

[storm heron]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime (Not updated)
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[soft raft]

the endgame tierlist?
2nd link

[bleak nymph]

Thanks.

[storm heron]

I'm starting to think that +13 shells are not worth it at all

nvm campaign exists

[fast steppe]

i was leaning towards +13ing another white/black shell but

[hollow gust]

You realize that guide is a consideration for all +13 equipment, not just aux ? Of course there is higher priority on planes and guns above auxiliary equipment. Doesn’t mean catapults are suddenly low priority when looking at aux gold plates

[fast steppe]

this is within the aux category though

[whole crypt]

white shell good

[hollow gust]

There is always a advantage to upgrading your highest damage backline

[storm heron]

eventually after 1.5 years you will have 2 +13 AFCT, 1 +13 hpfcr, 2 pairs of +13 shells, 1 extra +13 white shell, and 6 +13 catapults

and +13 beaver and hedgehog for some reason

[hollow gust]

Rec survivability aux over offensive

[storm heron]

I don't even have any +13 washing machine

[hollow gust]

I maxed like 8 catapults before touching a washing machine of all things

[left cedar]

Do i lose my UR vouchers after the event? I have 110, idk if i should use them on coins

[eager mulch]

yes

[left cedar]

I lose them?

[ivory pawn]

Yes.

[eager mulch]

yes

[left cedar]

Ima use on coins then

[raw pivot]

i read through the whole thing

but ngl i had to use the 15-2 ships again?

[jaunty vault]

need more context here

[ivory pawn]

Context!

[jaunty vault]

[soft raft]

That's his 3rd attempt at 15-3

[turbid dawn]

These are the only main fleet ships I have left to level, there's no point in levelling the 'child', event and music ones, right?

[soft raft]

At this point it really sounds like you should just ignore W12 for now and go back to W12

[raw pivot]

ye i was joking

im not that dumb

i neevr use jeane d arc ngl

i saw the vanguard suggestions but im now worrying about main fleet and subs

[soft raft]

Correct, no tech value there whatsoever
Only Gangut, Dunk, Vestal, and Hiei give tech and Gangut is +1 FP

[left cedar]

How do i remove my Protocal Bulin from Guild?

[ivory pawn]

Wait for that particular expedition to finish.

[soft raft]

How did it even end up there in the first place

[left cedar]

I thought i just had a spare super rare ship when i first started

So i put it in there

[soft raft]

In that case you'll have to wait until th eboss dies to take it out

[ivory pawn]

Oh that kind of guild thingy. Wait for the boss to die, then tap Battle Support.

[left cedar]

Ah okay ty

[soft raft]

Give this a read too if you havent already
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[paper ridge]

Hello folks, is Tallin an end game viable tank ?

[soft raft]

nope

[cunning bison]

are strongholds worth doing/what do they give (no reset yet btw 1st 1 son)

[left cedar]

Yeye i read it, still dont understand which gear is good tho

Ive almlst max limibreak my albion

[soft raft]

/equip give the first link a read

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[paper ridge]

thanks

[soft raft]

Wouldnt really say that's a worthwhile decision, even if you lack other SR Carriers

[left cedar]

I shouldnt max it out?

[cunning bison]

i feel like going back to the thread wld be wiser tbh

[cunning bison]

r these worth or clearing abyssals bttr?

[soft raft]

both are worth it

[soft raft]

ig in this case you dont really have better
but if you can get Hood or Enterprise, they would have higher priority for your SR Bullins

And you probably could've MLB'd Albion if you didnt partially limit break Duisiburg (who is meh) and Heirich (Who is good, but low prio early game)

[cunning bison]

looking at these materials (opsi 1st reset coming), shld i get flapjack? and then what should be my priorities as the months go by?

i also have 5 sr gear design plans

[thin nova]

this gun any good?

[soft raft]

Timing sidegrade to the Triple 406 MLE

[paper ridge]

is there a way to get hyuuga other than gacha ? I'd like to play her (as a beginner) and I can't find her

[thin nova]

[soft raft]

Not really besides requisition (Which is a complete scam)
She's kinda meh anyways

[cunning bison]

any1 ^

[raw pivot]

ryuhoo or perseus for the chap 15?

[paper ridge]

for a cheap BB she's not bad, fp buff and all

[hollow gust]

just use penn

[raw pivot]

my perseus isnt maxxdd

[soft raft]

Just get Pennsylvania

[paper ridge]

don't like her

[hollow gust]

[soft raft]

keep in mind that Hyuuga needs to be retrofitted to be anywhere useable and even then she's most likely marginally better than Pennsylvania

[raw pivot]

btw the guide told i need damage and healing

[soft raft]

Just post your dock in a thread at this point

[hollow gust]

the retrofit is a sidegrade

[raw pivot]

alr wait

[paper ridge]

I want a cheap off flag BB

[soft raft]

you do not need a off flag BB that early
1 BB 2 CV is the usual for a majority of campaign

[raw pivot]

ther

[whole crypt]

there's no case where a 1BB 2CV can't replace a 2BB 1CV for campaign, it's just a matter of what ships you have available

[raw pivot]

ye i just gotta lvl perseus

[soft raft]

if you want to, sure
but Flapjack isnt that high prio for someone that's basically just started getting into OpSi

For reference, it didnt exist until like two years ago and people were usuing Tigercat just fine

[raw pivot]

ngl i gog 4 tiger cats thats never been used

[ivory pawn]

When it comes to electronics, recommendation I've gotten was to go for 1-2 Wyverns first, then 1-2 torp bombers such as the Junker or Ryuusei, then Flapjacks.

[soft raft]

No I said post your dock in a thread, not post screenshots of your fleet

Tho either way Perseus sucks for W15, esp if your mob fleet is gonna go fight multiple bosses

[paper ridge]

why is 2cv1bb better ?

[raw pivot]

oh

[hollow gust]

cause there are extremly strong CV available early game

[raw pivot]

so what should i use other than perseus

[cunning bison]

what abt triple 406s and the dd gun?

[raw pivot]

volga?

[whole crypt]

any place that Perseus works Unicorn retrofit basically does better

[soft raft]

which triple 406?
there's alot of them

[raw pivot]

dang

[cunning bison]

ur

[soft raft]

very low priority

people used 406 Mk6 just fine

[raw pivot]

my volga is lvl 90 thoo

[ivory pawn]

UR probably. After planes. 113 is niche, pretty much just for Z52 iirc.

[raw pivot]

other alternatives ?

[soft raft]

This is the part where you go back to W12 and grind

[ivory pawn]

Well, more than her, but probably not worth crafting besides for her.

[whole crypt]

2CV 1BB is not inherently better besides for air control later in campaign
it's just a matter of what ships and gear you have

[raw pivot]

so hows the fleet 1 then

saratoga good for it?

[soft raft]

surely she would've been replaced by W15
Just post your dock in a thread man

[raw pivot]

or stick with amagi?

[soft raft]

trying to help you in such a picemeal fashion is gonna go nowhere

[cunning bison]

so i get 2 firecrests for now? till i get the ur parts needed for wyverns?

[raw pivot]

ye i think ima grind the volga

i got enough inform for now and prob gonna re read the guide

[paper ridge]

I like my set up but it's expensive, and it's 2bb1cv I go Colorado Prince Of Wales Saratoga Portland Laffey Duisburg (currently grinding Helena and Sandy to replace duisburg)

[ivory pawn]

You're going to be waiting on electronics more than the UR parts, don't waste materials crafting the intermediaries until you're ready to craft the Wyvern.

[cunning bison]

ah so 1 firecrest then ty

[whole crypt]

expensive for what? oil? you're just using way too many SR ships if you're not fighting some place with cost cap

or even just the cost to LB the SRs

[eager mulch]

no uni

[paper ridge]

yep

[hollow gust]

Swapping Colorado for with unicorn is infinitely better choice then trying to get a hyuuga which is a downgrade

[paper ridge]

Colorado is my flagship, won't swap her, I had unicorn but added prince instead

[hollow gust]

Use your unicorn

[paper ridge]

Guess I will

[whole crypt]

considering colorado is a big seven with retrofit I'd rather keep colorado instead of PoW, unless PoW is ahead on LB and levels significantly

[hollow gust]

She practically the best ship in the game

[cunning bison]

sorry what torp bombers? (need specific names) + what abt ur aa gun?

[soft raft]

Why wouldnt you use what will eventually be the best healer in the game

[paper ridge]

i focused on colorado from the start, full retrofit and all

[whole crypt]

then drop PoW

[ivory pawn]

JU-87 or something in Iron Blood, and Ryuusei in Sakura. Can find them in /gearlab in #bot-spam.

[whole crypt]

Colorado retrofit/Unicorn/Saratoga is a fairly solid main fleet for up to mid game

[paper ridge]

yeah but I kinda hate her looks :p, Got ark royal too, sad it's not a s good

[paper ridge]

Let's go for that

[whole crypt]

you look at the game?

[hollow gust]

Just retrofit her then

[ivory pawn]

UR AA gun is even more luxury than the UR 406. You'll get plenty of good enough AA guns from research/events.

[whole crypt]

honestly I'd take UR AA before Mk7

[soft raft]

Eh I'd craft UR AA gun before 406 mk7
since UR AA would actually be way more worthwhile

[ivory pawn]

I'd listen to them more, they know more than me.

[cunning bison]

kk ty u2

[whole crypt]

Mk7 isn't a serious upgrade over Mk6 without the enhancement past +10
UR AA makes your life much easier in 13, 13H and 15

[night totem]

Can I attempt a stronghold with those stats or am I just gonna die

[whole crypt]

that's without needing to dip into protoshop or something for sextuples

[soft raft]

dead on arrival

[night totem]

😭

[whole crypt]

you can if you have a very shiny lv125 mob fleet

[night totem]

I don't think I do...

[eager mulch]

You can clear a stronghold with 0 adapts

[night totem]

Eum double healer mob fleet maybe? Like perseus+unikai?

[whole crypt]

with effectively 0 adapts

[paper ridge]

is operation siren farmable at will ? and when should I start playing it (just ding 70)

[whole crypt]

anything below around 130 or so isn't going to give you any bonus anyway

[whole crypt]

if you're overwhelmed already then maybe don't touch it for now, but OS needs extended time investment to grind for your gold plates and lab materials

[hollow gust]

Opsi with that early of a fleet is gonna take a while

[whole crypt]

and yeh OS isn't going to be a good experience if you can't form up good fleets yet

[night totem]

Do u need one or 2 mob fleets for opsi anyways... I mean i barely touched opsi so I'm thinking about starting it now

[fast steppe]

does akashi spawn in explorable nodes

[hollow gust]

Only need 1 fleet for mobs

[whole crypt]

you need 1 good mob fleet and that's 95% of OS done

[night totem]

I see

[whole crypt]

Akashi can spawn in any explorable, secure or hidden zone but 🎲

[cunning bison]

what abt spearfish btw

[whole crypt]

expensive mobbing plane with very low priority

[night totem]

Is this Concidered a good mob fleet

[opal stirrup]

So how can I get more of this?

[whole crypt]

assuming proper gear then you're just missing levels

[paper ridge]

so you're implying that I should start investing time in Opsi once I have one mid-late game worthy fleet

[night totem]

I see, alright then ty

[spring bolt]

2 preload bb that's a very long animation time

[dry tree]

Is this the equipment in slot for halford?

[whole crypt]

analyzing prints of research ships you have that are at least d30
analyzing combat data packs
coping for guild supplies

[hollow gust]

You can start it right now, but you are gonna get clapped pretty hard if your fleet isn’t leveled or limitbroken

[whole crypt]

I'm not recommending 3CV mobbing blindly

[paper ridge]

I'm like 11K mainfleet 10k vanguard, most between 90 and 110

[whole crypt]

fleet power is a useless metric

[cunning bison]

and ur ap gun?

[night totem]

Believe it or not, I just came back and had no idea alsace had a preload I came back pulled her mlb then stopped playing

[paper ridge]

ok but what is ?

[whole crypt]

you just have to know if you're using proper ships and gear
90-110 is good enough for the earlier chapters but you'll run into a wall fairly quickly

[dry tree]

Do I need two of these for halford? Or just one?

[paper ridge]

Ok thanks

I'm currently still looking for the 410 barrage gun for colorado, the rest I'm fairly ok on the recommended early stuff

[whole crypt]

Mk6 works fine

[cunning bison]

(psst ur ap gun do i just research for it)

[paper ridge]

more than 381 twin ?

[whole crypt]

381 twin is 🚮

[paper ridge]

ok

[whole crypt]

you can't research for spearfish, it's lab only, just leave it till later if you're not sure

[cunning bison]

i meant twin 457s

[whole crypt]

oh twin457 grab 1 from shop and maybe try to craft 1 in lab

[cunning bison]

how much priority does that have/

[whole crypt]

don't focus PR2 for it, everything in the series is already archived or powercrept/obsolete, ships you can coin

[spring bolt]

2nd 457 can wait, no rush at all

[whole crypt]

it's going to take at least around 2 months to get the gun from research anyway, waste of time

[spring bolt]

come back when +13 priority is a thing for you

[cunning bison]

so what im getting is this for the order in which i get gear: 2 wyverns -> 1/2 of ryuseis/(more) junkers -> 1/2? flapjacks -> french ur aa guns -> 406 mk7s -> second 457 -> spearfish right

[cunning bison]

(when will i know?)

[whole crypt]

definitely 2 wyverns first if you ask me

[tropic tusk]

when u have a decent amount of gear is ready

[whole crypt]

Ryuuseis will drop from research so you may get 1 or 2 along the way in that time, I'd focus on crafting junkers

what's your current research focus?

[cunning bison]

6 for kearsarge bps

[whole crypt]

nevermind then

[cunning bison]

will go back to 5 aft that

[whole crypt]

I'd probably put second 457 ahead of spearfish

they also both consume significant amount of rainbow ordrep + gold electronics

[paper ridge]

I think I have what I need to play for a while, thanks a lot to the helpers

[cunning bison]

now what do i buy in protocore shop?

[whole crypt]

the main issue is just basically everything on that line takes gold electronics

depends on how many cores you have and whether you already have enough champagne guns and BFGs

[cunning bison]

what r those?

[hollow gust]

Champog gun and Bf109, don't use these on keary, use it for your CVs and Other BBs

[night totem]

How many bf109 does one need usually?

[cunning bison]

how many ya

[hollow gust]

4 is nice

[whole crypt]

4 is a good number with modern fleets

[night totem]

Alright thx

I rotted in pr4 for a while so ig I should have enough

Also euh can I post my doc in a thread cause I don't think I have any idea what I'm doing with those opsi fleets...

[cunning bison]

and champagne guns? (how many)

and then what after those

[hollow gust]

3 is more then enough, although Musashi doesn’t need it so 2 can be sufficient

[stone sluice]

Is CM katsuragi medium armor?

[hollow gust]

Yes

[whole crypt]

if you're doing PR6 flandre guns are also sidegrade to the gun, so you may not need to craft more than 1

[cunning bison]

ok so after those?

[spring bolt]

457, or tenrai is also good at that point

[cunning bison]

ok ty (which one's the flandre one again?)

[spring bolt]

triple 380 from pr6

[night totem]

Opsi fleet building

[cunning bison]

and so for me it will be 3 bfgs -> any 2 of triple 406 mle 1938/triple 380 mle 1935 -> 457 gun -> tenrai -> quad 152

now what abt dr blueprints shld i ever buy those frm protocore

[spring bolt]

get the quad 152, 3x234 is not as important, buy it if you want to/have spare proto core but i believe the hind gun will be in proto shop too, it's better than 3x234

[whole crypt]

the 380 you should have prints from just doing PR6 now, craft them as you get them but there's no need to buy them

just that any number of those you have can replace buying/making a 406

[whole crypt]

ship prints in protoshop are kind of a scam, it's too expensive when the cores are better spent on gear

you don't even get enough cores to buy meaningful amounts of DR prints anyway

[cunning bison]

hmm 3x234?

[whole crypt]

the rainbow CA gun in protocore shop now

[spring bolt]

mb lol

[cunning bison]

kk ty

[night totem]

Anyone in the thread pretty please?

[cunning bison]

srry i was holding em up ehehe

[night totem]

It's all good, not your fault

[raven canyon]

is purple hellcat better than golden seafang

[jaunty vault]

no

[raven canyon]

thank god because i have so many lv 8 seafangs

[jaunty vault]

seafang and hellcat are about the same at same rarities

the one different is Corsair

from the tech box planes
then come the gearlab/research planes

[raven canyon]

got it

[cunning bison]

does alsace hv special post oath lines? and um is there like a place for player support or to ask qns?

[jaunty vault]

what type of questions are we thinking

[cunning bison]

like as in will they consider adding post-oath lines to skins (im sorry but having vanguard oathed still trying to kill me when i do special touch on her maid skin is still...)

[jaunty vault]

to answer the Alsace question, she does have post oath lines

for the other question, you could try #game-feedback but do not expect answers

you could also make a ticket with the bot by using !submit command

[cunning bison]

thanks!

and also what if i want to switch emails for my account? where do i go for that?

[jaunty vault]

you could try to email cs

/techsupport

[odd root]

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[jaunty vault]

but I do not know if they'll accept it

[cunning bison]

k ty

[indigo beacon]

hey all, is this commission worth?

[spring bolt]

no unless you have almost 0 time to play the game and your oil is over flowing

[indigo beacon]

so if i need gold i can just do 12-4?

[spring bolt]

yup

[indigo beacon]

nice, thanks

[dusk niche]

Anyone know the best way (besides research academy) to get DR blueprints? This is taking extremely long since we need so many for Dev 30 (By the way what is Fate Simulation?)

[soft raft]

Event Shop
Fate sim is an extra 5 dev levels which upgrades a skill at FS5

For DRs, they have two upgrades, at FS3 and FS5

[jaunty vault]

research is the fastest

[dusk niche]

I see dang so its another long time before i even get the ship to full level. I was so excited after just unlocking tech points and now this LOL

thank you guys for letting me know

[white agate]

well, if the ship is dr3 or less you can coin

and dr 4 will be coinable probably in 1-2 months, not announced yet tho

[dusk niche]

whats dr3?

[eternal basalt]

Drake

[dusk niche]

Ohhh the number is the series number gotcha no its agir sadly

[eternal basalt]

Later this month (probably)

[hollow gust]

Picking the correct research will speed up your print grind by alot

[dusk niche]

yea im choosing only series 4 with lowest time for dr blueprints rn

[woven star]

About DR blueprints btw: when you don't have enough of them you can use coins and 10 of prints every day cost 7.5k + 5 for 15k. Sometime it's worth then use research for 6k to get few prints. Is it true?

[soft raft]

/research in regards to the second question

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[soft raft]

6k sounds like a gold rarity one which is a bit eh

[cobalt rapids]

what DR are you talking about
if the DR is coinable you shouldnt pick their research project at all
as far as how much u should budget for DR daily coining that depends on ur income
~6/day is good
anyting above is for rich
over 10 is usually not sustainable

[woven star]

I know but now I'm tring to fully upgrade FdG and as for me better spend 7.5 k for 10 prints instead of 6k on research. Have not so much coins every day

[soft raft]

you shouldnt even be doing PR2 focus researches in the first place
go to PR4

[woven star]

I'm not, I'm doing PR4 but sometimes I got FdG focused research or etc. ships and as for me it's not worth if I'm already can develop ship

[eternal basalt]

Or PR7 and coin PR4 later this month

[upbeat wagon]

How much should i coin up my roon every day?

[sweet delta]

Definitely at least two but I recommend no more than 10

[soft raft]

^

[jaunty vault]

why not 15

[worldly pewter]

how much coins does it cost for 15 ?

[jaunty vault]

a lot

[worldly pewter]

[mellow cape]

Is Bayard worth the 125? Assuming you have pretty good vanguard options

Or should I just let her sit at 120

[sweet delta]

Pretty good is vague

What would you use Bayard for though

[mellow cape]

Fair enough, I wouldn't have a use for her atm

[untold beacon]

Hello! Im starting to run into trouble with my second fleet in the 4-4 stage. Could anyone help me choose the correct 2nd fleet líne up?

Thanks in advance!

[soft raft]

Firt off, ditch that 2nd fleet completely
you are spreading your resources wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too thin trying to build a 2nd fleet that early, especially with your current selection

Replace Yorktown with Saratoga as well

[untold beacon]

So i should just clear levels with one fleet?

[soft raft]

Yup, at earliest you would do a 2nd fleet at W9
Also give this a read if you havent already https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[untold beacon]

Ok! I didnt know i should be playing like that

[dusky vale]

is odin good

[soft raft]

Nothing too special in the long run
her main standout feature is her positioning gimmick but that's not really enough to make her worthwhile

Especially if you have multiple UR BBs

[night totem]

Can a dev 25 Plymouth be better than emden?

[jaunty vault]

skilled d25 plymouth? sure

[night totem]

Aight thx

[stone sluice]

Do slow-downs stack? For instance Fritz + Eldridge

[sweet delta]

60% and 30% slow make 0.4*0.7 = 0.28 -> 72% slow

[stone sluice]

[jaunty vault]

[worldly pewter]

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

[oak sage]

Is there a general guide to most of this game that I can find online? I feel like I should probably read up on that instead of pelting this channel with questions.

Mainly I feel like I should read up on basic fleet building and equips but I am unsure of how trustworthy the stuff I’m finding by googling is

[wispy geyser]

ok, so what we can say now about z52? comparing to laffey 2

[worldly pewter]

#gameplay-help message

[oak sage]

Oh damn it’s right there aight thx

[jaunty vault]

there's multiple guides if you do /guide in bot spam

[oak sage]

Gotcha

[worldly pewter]

also feel free to ask anything
this channel is meant for that

[oak sage]

Yeah just that I don’t wanna ask so many questions of basic stuff that it gets annoying

I’ve been called a bot here before due to my sheer stupidity 💀

[jaunty vault]

im 5% sure thAt was me

im also 10% sure it wasn't towards you

[oak sage]

Nah it was you and it was towards me lol

It was my fault so it was understandable

[eager mulch]

was it towards me?

[white agate]

are the ryusei still worth to +13 now that we have the la-7?

[jaunty vault]

yeah

[soft raft]

that's like comparing apples to oranges
LA-9 isnt even the same plane type as Ryusei

[white agate]

they are both converging torpedoes t0, no?

[jaunty vault]

la9 is a fighter, ryuusei is torp bombers
ryuusei takes 1/3 the plates la9 does to +13

[eager mulch]

id rather +13 an apple than an orange

[woven star]

Still leveling her and I don't have laffy2. But barrage looks interesting but fp scale hard to maximize her

[soft raft]

just give her a British single 113, wdym hard to maximize her

[eager mulch]

wdym hard to maximize her

[woven star]

Torp scale will be much easy

[white agate]

ofc, ryusei has aa capabilities, but i thought if aa is needed pancacke was best; boss fleet can be malleable anyway i think

[eager mulch]

ryuusei does not passively intercept

[barren tapir]

z52 is really good and what do you mean, she scales off attackspeed and fp basically which makes gearing her as easy as single76 if budget and single113 if not

[woven star]

Idk what I can do more

[eager mulch]

gold single 113mm, take the torp aux off

fucking max limit break her

[soft raft]

British Single 113 instead of the UR DD gun
FP AA Gun can be ignored since she's also a high AA ship
Yeet the torp aux
MLB her too

[eager mulch]

rainbow brainrot

[woven star]

No ur buli

[soft raft]

then bench her until she is MLB

[eager mulch]

unbelievably dogshit when missing that last mlb

[barren tapir]

fp aa gun is fine outside ch15 tbh if you want slightly more surface output

also max her skills

[woven star]

What useful except torp aux?

I don't have old stuff

[soft raft]

surely you have a purple toolbox lying around somewhere

[barren tapir]

i disagree that shes dogshit before mlb, shes one of the URs id consider still worth using at partial lb depending on your dock options actually. since her s1 is a huge chunk of her total damage and her support bonuses are unreliant on mlb she can still be decently helpful, she just wont perform at her best

[eager mulch]

more non mlb cope

[woven star]

She has autoheal so except toolkit something else? Torp aux have rld

[barren tapir]

more tunnelvisioning about mlb

[barren tapir]

toolkit still best she is a tank

[mellow cape]

She loses so much stats non MLB tho lmao

[viscid swift]

her barrages all scale off of FP anyway

[mellow cape]

Can't think much of an argument NOT to MLB her

[barren tapir]

she loses stats yes but consider how shit the average accessible dd is, consider that she's still portland level tank even at 2lb, and consider that her global fleet dmg support buff and healing utilities do not require her to be at mlb.

while it's not ideal by any means, she does still provide significant helpfulness to a fleet even if not mlb, depending on the player in question's alternatives

[woven star]

If as a tank than yes but I think I will make her off tank and not sure if she need it. Will see if she will sink

[barren tapir]

simple: not having the bulins

the problem with the tunnel vision about mlb is that some URs still can be helpful in certain situations even when you arent able to mlb them

[woven star]

Noone said not MLB I just don't have parts for that now

[barren tapir]

there's a few examples of this, for example musashi 2lb beats out most if not all accessible newbie campaign bbs

z52 id argue is similar in beating most dds except for the highest end gold ones

and plymouth at d25 still provides her very nice bb support

this obviously assumes maxed skills and bis equips in fleets that suit them and benefit from their specific support capabilities over needing their raw dmg output

[viscid swift]

meh, while I wouldn't exactly say it isn't true I would be reluctant among other things to say she is without any sort of testing to back it up

[woven star]

Btw Musashi plus z52 will be best with her protection skill

[mellow cape]

Well, my Z52 is nearly 125. I can just test her non MLB and mlb'ed lol, just needs her last skill before I can test her

[barren tapir]

im merely considering that z52's main utilities, strength, and damage come from her skills. the total output will be weaker, particularly with lacking her improved aoa, but considering how much stronger she is than the typical dd, she should still soundly beat out the vast majority of the competition at 2lb.

[worldly pewter]

i was using guam lb2 for 4 months she was doing fine until ch13

[barren tapir]

obviously this isnt an endorsement to use her in ch15 at 0lb

what i mean is that she should be reasonably functional in mid-end content when used as a support

[soft raft]

That kinda sounds like a to me

[viscid swift]

I mean sure but can you say definitively just going off the theoretical

[worldly pewter]

but TBH lb2 needs some backup theories

[viscid swift]

given that you can use just about anything and still clear W12 that really doesn't say much

[barren tapir]

not definitively, but they have a 2lb z52 to test for us i say "should" not "will"

[woven star]

I'm leveling z52 on 13-4 now looks fine

[rigid onyx]

the flagship protection skill is just fluff except for with musashi Aquila and even then it's still probably fluff

[viscid swift]

I doubt there's that much interest in it

[worldly pewter]

i used her until 13-2 that is when i stopped because i was using 3 BBs and i was getting destroyed

[viscid swift]

well even a MLB Guam wouldn't save that

you're DPS racing at that point

[barren tapir]

well lb2 has been, to me, more or less confirmed for musashi. apparentlty she performs better in campaign than augmented hood

the source being someone i generally trust on such matters, iirc was 🍣

[mellow cape]

Source?

Oh lol would like to see some testing

[woven star]

My mobing team for 13-4 maybe something wrong but that my leveling team

[viscid swift]

Musashi I think we've extablished is very much the exception rather than the norm

[barren tapir]

iirc i said she beats most accessible newbie options except augmented hood and got corrected

[viscid swift]

frankly that's a set up I would be suprised if it did fail regardless of if Z52 is 2 LB

[barren tapir]

yes thats true, i think theress some merit to this theory for support-oriented ships too though

[worldly pewter]

how is the danger level ?

[viscid swift]

I mean yeah, we do recc the tanks at dev 25 and even dev 20 for a reason

[barren tapir]

honestly thats a pretty foolproof team

[viscid swift]

my thing for Z52 though is that I don't find her support utilities to be shall we say dominant enough to be considered in quite the same vein

[woven star]

Danger? Sorry newbie so don't know what you say

[barren tapir]

well theoretically z52 should still be an ok (but not standout) tank+support at 2lb

i just eyeball this, but 2lb should be around portland level if mlb is felix level

[worldly pewter]

usually when people test stuff it should be on a lethal stage
campaign wise

[barren tapir]

her support isnt super significant, no, but 5% fleet buff is still handy and so is her healing for other ships in mob fights imo.

of course if you have better options you should use those, im just considering the newer player's vanguard choices and z52 still looks pretty decent when up against those ngl

a point in her favor is she is cheap to gear as well

[viscid swift]

like if we just breakdown her utility
Flagship cover: it's nice to have but decisive in it of itself esepcially outside of later campaign stages unless you're pairing her with Musashi

Her debuff: not gonna say no to more damage but 5% even for the entire fleet isn't that

her AA is good but again, not decisive outside W13 and W15 really so it becomes a question of how much her damage and eHP compare at 2 LB to other ships which is a bit of a question mark

[woven star]

To open this I need pass all campaign?

[worldly pewter]

i forgot how the danger level in english was

[viscid swift]

and outside those who have already done it
it does inevitably bring into the question we are reccomending people deliberately 2 limit break Z52 or so it gets a bit messy

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Combat#Threat_Level
read this
basically when u clear a new chapter it has this
when u repeat clear it it goes away and becomes easier

[woven star]

I saw what you mean but idk how it's to swap

[worldly pewter]

oh threat

[barren tapir]

that's fair tbh i can try to do some testing for curiositys sake once i raise her myself, itll be interesting to see, and itll probably be a situation i run into anyway since im raising rumey for CM

[woven star]

Thx

[undone plover]

u cant
once a map is safe it is permanent
abdou just meant testing stuff on safe maps doesnt rly provide a lot of useful information

[viscid swift]

like, I'm not gonna deny Z52 can be useful at 2 LB similar to say Sandy is with her augment pre retro

it's just a question of proving it in meaningful way and then addressing some of the potential implications

[sweet delta]

i mean this just started because she was called "complete dogshit"

[woven star]

OK thx

[worldly pewter]

i think it started from a new player standpoint

[viscid swift]

and yeah like I said earlier, you have such a strong set up that Z52's contribution is overall relatively minor

[sweet delta]

maybe we should start calling maxed out starter DDs complete dogshit

[undone plover]

tbh there is a lot of minmax strategies someone who knows what they are doing can do
a veteran can make LB0 z52 work in difficult maps, if it fails they can change a few things and try again
when u start recommending it to newer players it is more iffy since it is not tested and I am not sure how many ppl are curious enough to test this
would be interesting to know but until then there are many alternatives that work

[woven star]

There is another question for players who just come to play and who already have some event stuff which we can't get) I saw so many guides with stuff which I can't get

[woven star]

BBs rainbow aux for example

[ionic comet]

This my boss fleet need some help to make it better

[tropic tusk]

for wt

[ionic comet]

A better boss fleet

[tame jungle]

boss fleet for what content

[ionic comet]

Main story

[tame jungle]

what chapter are you at right now?

[ionic comet]

9

[sweet delta]

step 1: bench Shinano, Shimakaze, Hipper META, and Amagi CV

[undone plover]

nelson replaces shinano
z23 replaces shimakaze
heinrich goes in tank spot (leftmost)
do you have san diego?
and do you have gold bulins?

[ionic comet]

No san Diego and no gold bulins

[undone plover]

also yeah fleet 1 needs rework as well
better make a thread and post your whole dock

[worldly pewter]

vanguard event aux
in theory they will put it somewhere in a shop after a while as they did with the other ur gear

[undone plover]

also u are spreading bulins between characters
that is not recommended
always better to take 1 ship to MLB then start working on another one

[woven star]

Something like that 14-1 on lethal stage

[viscid swift]

not sure what to say really

[worldly pewter]

reconnaissance is a CL node ?

[viscid swift]

escort fleet yes

[woven star]

Imho best way to test on challenge stage

[viscid swift]

uhhh it isn't

[ionic comet]

Trashgob needs help

[worldly pewter]

well TBH 14-1 isn't a reliable benchmarking stage since it is around 12-1 difficulty or that is how i felt when i did the stage for the first time
the usual formation for the w14 is 1 BB 2 CV preferably 2 healers uni + someone else since u will be running into 3 ▲ at some point
imo testing in 14-3 + is a good starting point

once u make ur fleet i mean since the one u use now will die in no time

[barren tapir]

doing ch14 without a bb flag

[viscid swift]

well Riciest managed all the way through W14 with Chihaya as flag for a bit of a meme

[worldly pewter]

hiraga saito did 14-1 without a healer

[viscid swift]

it is definitely possible but well more difficult for obvious reasons

[vital olive]

Helo everyone, is there a beginner's guide or something similar for brand new players?

[viscid swift]

yes
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[barren tapir]

possible but isnt that like a self imposed challenge or is there benefits too

[viscid swift]

just a self imposed challenge really

[vital olive]

what is the endgame of azur lane? is it actually difficult?

[viscid swift]

well there are many different definition of end game for AL

[dusky vale]

Is there anything I should change to my build here except for the obvious main gun upgrade

[sweet delta]

change the AA gun and washing machine

[viscid swift]

give her a better AA gun if there are planes around and change the rudder for another HP aux or FP aux

[dusky vale]

whats a better aa gun for her

[vital olive]

something which is like difficult and resets with time?

[barren tapir]

CM ?

[viscid swift]

well end game AL is really just fleet tech grinding

[barren tapir]

i dont think CM is that hard tho

[stark quiver]

endgame means a lot
could be defeating campaign stages
one shotting bosses
fleet tech
waifus, depends how you ask

[viscid swift]

you don't really need to get to end game to do st uff like CM, W15, Harbiter, etc

[sweet delta]

mfw CM gives you 10 minutes but some people clear it in 1:45

[barren tapir]

but it does fall under "reset with time"

and it's difficult...for newbies

[vital olive]

okay so CM resets with time and gives you the premium currency for clearing it?

[barren tapir]

no?

[viscid swift]

no, you don't get much of value for clearing CM

[worldly pewter]

cm the content that i never did alongside ex stages

[ivory pawn]

Twin 113m, twin 90mm, quad bofors, just make sure it's gold.

[barren tapir]

idk if there is any true endgame content. there is endgame grinding (fleet tech as mentioned) but

[worldly pewter]

w15 imo is a nice end game content

[barren tapir]

no content requires a stacked account to beat afaik, just a medium invest is usually enough

[quiet pawn]

how to grind combat collect xp for research faster?

[barren tapir]

what is cheese

[vital olive]

okay i kinda get it, tysm for answering my questions! ❤️

[viscid swift]

grind W12 with 3 applicable ships, preferably ones that need levels

[weary gust]

Is this a real question

[barren tapir]

ohhh the youtuber

[undone plover]

did mebot ever calc rudder on DDs?
is the passive not useful in certain situations or is the extra hp from double toolkit always better?

[weary gust]

Okay it was a real question. Lmao. "Cheese" in gaming is when you abuse game mechanics/do something weird to accomplish the objective in an unintuitive or weird way.

[barren tapir]

it was like only otto and felix when comparing +13 rudder to +13 gold hp

[barren tapir]

no i was asking about the react and the answer is kimocheese need stacked account

[weary gust]

I'm 99% sure they were saying you can just cheese endgame content and do not "need" a stacked account.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding, idk.

[stark quiver]

sushi is referring to a certain kimo video

[barren tapir]

but i said u only need medium invest typically so context wouldnt work for that

[quiet pawn]

which stage?

[weary gust]

Any, but usually either 12-4 or 12-1.

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4 depending on your prefferences

[quiet pawn]

ty

[silk helm]

whats the best choice between bayard, daisen, halford

[wary bobcat]

I wonder if I should change anything

[undone plover]

bayard is prolly the most useful one
daisen is good but UR BBs exist
and halford I dont think anyone has found a niche for her so far

[undone plover]

change the torpedo to quad mag or improved quad mag
and the gun choices depend on enemy armor
and fumo is good if she survives
so in harder content u would use defensive aux like toolkit over it

[barren tapir]

i played halford in the simulator thing in shipyard and all i can say is: wtf. if ur not super on the left side of the screen (rare on auto) her aircraft straight up hit nothing because she launched them too close to the enemies

she'd probably be better if they fixed that somehow, but she's still

[undone plover]

Do they take off from her chibi?

[sweet delta]

#bug-reports message

[forest palm]

[barren tapir]

oooof. now to hope it gets fixed faster than little lusty

[forest palm]

that's a good laugh

[barren tapir]

so until fixed i guess halford is just trash

[forest palm]

not like she was remotely interesting to begin with...

[spring bolt]

she wasn't used for anything in the first place, except avi patch...

[barren tapir]

i mean it still makes her significantly worse than she already was

[forest palm]

a turd is still a turd no matter how you may polish it

[spring bolt]

i am happy as long as she continues to patch my avi

[shell willow]

her usecase dropped by 0%

[barren tapir]

some turds are easier to use than others if you like them

[forest palm]

also I just use Fubuki with a Tenrai

[tame jungle]

she's now meta for secretary slot with the bunny skin

[barren tapir]

i guess i can always manual

[boreal wagon]

im sure everyone has a fubuki especially new players

[forest palm]

well that's their skill issue

[barren tapir]

actually until it's fixed is plane or aa better

[spring bolt]

low cost hvar farming might need her and shibuki both to run 2 bb crossfleet

[forest palm]

still though Halford has more AVI than FBK

[barren tapir]

my question tho is is she better or worse than starter dd without her plane cos to me thats kinda the bare minimum to even consider using even as waifu

[forest palm]

if you're in PR7 you've likely outgrown the Starter DD

[barren tapir]

please answer the question that was asked if you can

[undone plover]

what is a typical low cost D3 dfg
one that works for EN

ranger + eldridge/sandy/laffey worked but was not 100% for me
my TY was 120 but I think 125 could work as well
that was on last event
so maybe PSI is easier

[barren tapir]

actually 2 questions

is AA or bugged plane better on halford currently

is halford without her plane still stronger than a starter dd

[fathom isle]

New player needs help to progress in campaign

[jaunty pecan]

for who is this for

[undone plover]

i think this is a def/off aux kind of situation
if she survives u would use plane for more dmg
if she doesn't u would use AA

the problem is her skills are also kind of awkward
if u use plane for more dmg u also lese her 15 second debuff which is in itself awkward to sync anyway

idk halford is weird
pray for FS5 to fix her

[spring bolt]

oh, i guess halford alone is enough... that's last event d3 but stat req is the same, just changing the crossfleet vg slot from cl to ca
so afaik, low backline pressure while high vanguard pressure (from a low cost pov, not META pov), in the video i saw, mob backline (solo ranger 0lb lv100) only lost 1/4-1/3 hp, so maybe this will work for EN

[forest palm]

Halford exclusively, don't bother with it

[stark quiver]

D30 halford

[jaunty pecan]

oh.
i dont even have her unlocked

[barren tapir]

her debuff isnt related to her equip

it's mostly i wonder if her skill 2 barrage is worth more than an 80% of her seaplane doing 0 damage on auto

[undone plover]

yeah my level 70 ranger died some times with a similar loadout
I used guam x-fleet iirc but was pretty much the same
ranger needed +13 steam catapult for AVI stat and triple UR plane
I also gave her toolkit

[undone plover]

oh I thought her debuff was related to her barrage mb
but yeah overall her niche is pretty awkward

[sweet delta]

Question, is Halford even bugged?

[barren tapir]

this is apparently her s2 barrage

well if it's not a bug then she's probably the worst pr ship to ever exist since then her plane is designed (and her s1 barrage) to do 0 dmg about 75-80% of the time on auto

does she even beat starter dds without a plane

[sweet delta]

We're here for realistic naval battles her launching planes from herself is a feature not a bug

[barren tapir]

for context on auto she took like 3 minutes to win her own simulation

[spring bolt]

i don't have accurate number so let's just assume halford loses no self dps with an AA gun
her rdps+self dps will drop from 1300 total to less than 800 on CN dps chart

[barren tapir]

what rdps does her plane equip provide

[spring bolt]

her s1

[sweet delta]

If rdps is 800 then is DPS like 400?

[barren tapir]

she launches it without equipping a seaplane according to this wording tho?

[sweet delta]

Like worse than Eugen dps?

[barren tapir]

s1 barrage, unaffected by her 3rd slot besides the 45 avi

or is this a case of skill desc being wrong

[spring bolt]

oh you are right... i always thought it has to be her equipped seaplane

[spring bolt]

nah it's just me misread her skill, carry on

[barren tapir]

gonna run sim again and see how long she takes, it's pretty funny

[spring bolt]

alright after some quick and inaccurate math, she would lose about 15% dps if using AA gun

[barren tapir]

huh she took only 1min this time around, guess i got unlucky earlier

so shes probably still fine with some rng or a boss that stays far back

[white agate]

@spring bolt any idea if sp stage has more % hvar chance?

[spring bolt]

that i have no idea, as no one collected sp drop rate data, sadly

[still nest]

Where should I put Rumey and Z52 here at my fleets?

[hollow gust]

as of now nowhere

[forest palm]

could throw'em in mob

[hollow gust]

you can try running her in the tank position but you should realize that if you cant kill the boss fast enough your fleet dies

[undone plover]

z52 can replace helena if u want to ditch her in the BB fleet
you can also put her instead of sirius in the CV fleet if only 50% of sirius buff is working (vs heavy for example)
I dont think she can replace anchorage
you can put her instead of san fransico as well in the mob fleet

fritz is more awkward
unless u have another CV fleet she can replace shinano vs light armor enemies and maybe medium as well if u have enough La9

[hollow gust]

considering your levels , i doubt you will be able to clean most arbiters correctlly

[undone plover]

I suppose fritz can also replace FdG for triple carrier mob

[still nest]

I have 5 hvars

[mellow cape]

Yorktown and no Enty or Kearsarge?

[undone plover]

this also works tbh
but I would put z52 in mob at least if u are not putting her in the boss fleets

[spring bolt]

tbh that fleet building is weird
z52 can replace anchor, fritz can be the +1 for soyuz+nakh for light and med

lv98 z52 and lv97 fritz? send them to c1 fleet or ch 12 farming fleet...

[forest palm]

the real question is if they're even MLB

[still nest]

I just put my extra urs there

Non mlb are uvh, the tank, shimakaze

[sweet delta]

Halford planes seems like they forgot to manual override it when adding her new skin, but idk why they had to change her base skin too

[woven star]

how you got Ranger 0lb with 100 level? isn't a least 1lb to push over 70 lvl?

ok

[forest palm]

basically CN doesn't have the LB system

[woven star]

Yeah I heard about something and understood this smle

[forest palm]

ya JP ver made the LB system, and EN follows JP so ya that's about it

[barren tapir]

wait cn doesnt need bulins?

[soft raft]

they arent restricted like EN/JP are

[undone plover]

no, they are just not capped by limit break until level 100
actually is it like UR or are they capped at level 100?

they also need less gold to upgrade gear

[inland juniper]

Assuming I have all ships and the node is marked safe, is there a guaranteed 15-4 auto team comp?

[spring bolt]

cn 0lb capped at lv100, to go past that, mlb is needed

unless ur meta and stuffs like that

[untold beacon]

Im new to the game, should i get one of these?

[soft raft]

no

very low priority

[icy cave]

I used Jimmy's no fleet tech 15-4 comp and it's pretty stable, does not fail in most instances

[inland juniper]

Where can I find this?

[icy cave]

https://youtu.be/p3LfyQK0Toc?si=C4O-I-z9hkcKeSEN

The run he did in the video has no fleet tech and cats

[inland juniper]

Thanks, but do you know if theres a more recent one? Noticed this one is 10 months old and with new gears and ships I was kinda assuming there were new/better comps out now. If not I'll prob just do this

[sweet delta]

safe threat is so easy that anything should work, including what you used to clear 15-4 in the first place

[rigid onyx]

I think notable ships recently released are fritz as the best support ship i believe, retrofit eld, and z52.

[shell laurel]

how should I gear z52?

[woven star]

113 or 76 gun

Plus seems as usual barrage dd

[soft raft]

British Single 113 (or 76mm if you're poor)
Sextuple/Twin 113 "Roomba"/UR AA
Then the rest is typical DD stuff

[storm heron]

[woven star]

Ppl say that she's tank. I think better as off tank position

More question in vanguard place as for me so aux for same

[viscid swift]

on what basis exactly

[shell laurel]

ty

[barren tapir]

well yours is 2lb

[woven star]

Why here so aggressive to lb?

[barren tapir]

also iirc you were putting/wanting to put dps aux on her, so naturally

[sweet delta]

i submitted a bug report for halford but whether the feedback red names will allow it through

[barren tapir]

if she's maxed and equipped defensively she is a very good (mob)tank

[viscid swift]

because you're not testing a ship in even remotely her maxed state

[woven star]

Ofc but I have a lot of tanks so question can I get more

[barren tapir]

im on the very not aggressive side of this, we had this discussion earlier

im just saying that 2lb means she's lacking a lot of hp, which does negatively impact her tanking ability a solid amount

[viscid swift]

it's a bit difficult and inconclusive to test a ship when they're under-leveled, not MLB, and don't have all skills +10 esepcially when their defensive skill is still level 1

and you're commenting on her ability to tank

[sharp socket]

cheeky did u see suchi's testing of 0lb backline vs mlb, its only 140% increase from 0lb to mlb iirc

[barren tapir]

iirc her blue skill level doesnt matter for her self-healing it affects other things. but yeah

[viscid swift]

yeah I saw, 150%, still quite significant

[barren tapir]

oh yeah it affects her dmg reduction buff

[sharp socket]

not the overly exaggerated 300% or whatever it was previously

[storm heron]

140% increase means that it's 2.4 times?

[sharp socket]

this makes me think 2lb is probably like only 50% for backline and probably lower for frontline

[barren tapir]

but yes anyway a 2lb z52 (that is like lvl108 also) with lvl1 blue skill equipping dps aux is significantly behind her peak tank potential

she's missing about... ~400? ish hp (maybe more) from mlb, which accordingly lowers her self-healing. she's missing 10% damage reduction, she's missing 500-1000 hp from equipment, and she's underlevelled for endgame content to quite a significant degree (this means not just +dmgtaken but also less hp and eva)

[sharp socket]

can mebot calc 2lb, 1lb and 0lb ehp

[woven star]

I'm not testing I said what I have and what gear expecting from her when I maxed her

[barren tapir]

would only be relevant imo for ships that can reach max level without lbs, otherwise well, what's the point in knowing a level 70 0lb portland's ehp

not mlb also means no retro or half-retro for retrofittable ships

it'd basically only be useful for UR, PR/DR, and meta faction ships ehp imo

[viscid swift]

whatever you want to call it, you're making claims based on her performance thus far and have not used her in a remotely maxed state therefore your observations on her performance are frankly irrelevant and do not necessarily reflect her accurate performance

[woven star]

Ofc I want MLB z52 and I have same level lb shimakaze but 52 will be first

[barren tapir]

oh also non mlb ships miss out on fleet tech which when fully maxed is actually somewhat significant increase

like full dd hp+eva probably adds 20-25% total ehp or so

(more impact on lower base stat ships though, less impact on high end ships)

[viscid swift]

anyway, point is, you cannot actually see her full performance so please refrain from making such comments on her performance until you do

because you're doing a disservice to yourself and others frankly by doing so

[woven star]

Heh

[viscid swift]

tell me, do you know what level advantage does

[woven star]

Btw have 5star runmey and amagi cv I think you can tell me about them too

[viscid swift]

they're shit

[woven star]

Wtever pointless dialog

[storm heron]

non mlb ship miss out from fleet tech? like my level 70 ranger missing all the 40 avi and rld I got from fleet tech?

[viscid swift]

yes

[storm heron]

wtf

[barren tapir]

yeah iirc it's why even tho d25 haku is technically usable by having all her planes, she's really not great because she's super fucking slow or something

[viscid swift]

suprised you're only finding out about this now

[barren tapir]

also if 0lbs got fleet tech low oil costing would be much easier

[viscid swift]

oh yeah

[sweet delta]

new player

[barren tapir]

also try not to spread your bulins around

[woven star]

Shinano, NJ, Musashi but yeah maybe few for shimakaze and not a fan of her barrage

Mlb

[barren tapir]

0lb UR i can confirm is fine to level up and affection in easy content at least but you really want them mlb and maxed for anything remotely challenging.

(this is 12-1)

[woven star]

I'm on 14-1 and lazy to go more

[white agate]

is halford the only way to get vanguard avi?

[viscid swift]

there's Shirakami Fubuki from the Hololive Collab but...

[barren tapir]

besides a collabbote-

[forest palm]

Halford can push more AVI either way

[viscid swift]

Also her

[barren tapir]

...why do you have 2 unicorns

[white agate]

guess my hard earned pr7 blueprints won't go to bayard

[barren tapir]

bayard would be the better investment imo..

[forest palm]

[sweet delta]

He's ready to go hvar farm. How about you?

[woven star]

For 2 team when don't have a good ships. Best way to push them further

Uni retro op

[barren tapir]

i dont need dupes to hvar farm

[viscid swift]

not even sure what that means

[storm heron]

makes sense..

[barren tapir]

not care too much about efficiency, and i know the teams can probably do it so

uni poi
indep nana
aquila momo

going cheaper doesnt rlly matter bc itll take a lot of time for me anyway and it almost equally matches how many HELPs i have too which is neat

[viscid swift]

But yes you don't need dupes for HVAR farm

[barren tapir]

this is with a full boss fleet of course because again...time concern matter more honestly

[storm heron]

ranger downes
ranger cassin
ranger downes
ranger cassin

[barren tapir]

i mathed already im gonna have 120-130k oil to spend in 7 days, itll be rough even with helps

avg fleet cost 189 (378 help) and i have ~300 help only

[viscid swift]

might wanna temper things a bit depending on how the rates actually pan out for the rerun

[woven star]

Nice amount

[stark quiver]

Idk I have 3 unicorns I’ll prolly be fine

[barren tapir]

if bug remain i get 12 + 1, if no bug, 4 + 1. i win enough either way

all mathed out in advanced perfect as you can please

[viscid swift]

speaking of which, I wonder how the drop rates for Hornet 2 panned out

[stark quiver]

Don’t you need only 4 to maintain full uptime?

[viscid swift]

meh, better safe than sorry

[woven star]

That was sad when I recognized that only one going to OpSi)

[barren tapir]

[blazing cedar]

how to get Jintsu META?

[viscid swift]

right now you can't

[barren tapir]

wait for her archive in march ish? iirc.

[stark quiver]

You can’t as of now
You can in about a month or two in dossier

[blazing cedar]

same goes for META tied with the BP?

[viscid swift]

that's assuming they don't skip another cycle like they did with QE

[barren tapir]

3 fleet for me since that's my dorm slot when they're all eepy i will just do opsi

[rigid onyx]

Don't you not go infinite with morale with only 3 1:1 fleets for d3

[viscid swift]

pretty much though instead they get added to the META shop

[white agate]

those appear in the meta shop iirc

[barren tapir]

you go infinite baseline, but not when using helps i dont think

[stark quiver]

I thought you bought all dorm slots cheeky

[viscid swift]

I didn't, I just bought the 5th dorm slot, it's enough for my needs

[white agate]

what are helps?

[stark quiver]

2x thing

[blazing cedar]

oooh. i have those before i went on hiatus so seems like ive done what i can for now.

[barren tapir]

i need to be able to spend about 20k oil per day it may be difficult

[viscid swift]

These glorious bastards

[rigid onyx]

What's natural oil regen/day?

[blazing cedar]

can you remind me how to grind gold again? im running out - is it on commisions and the dailies only?

[barren tapir]

20k oil is 106 (53) runs

[stark quiver]

Well first, you don’t need 12 hvars

[viscid swift]

you grind W12 with full fleets

[blazing cedar]

oooh. which one? 12-??

[barren tapir]

oh yes i do

if theyre offering, i take it! (nah jk, if bug remains ill stop around 8)

9 is the future-proofed amount i can be 100% satisfied with

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4 depending on prefference

[rigid onyx]

if bug remains im stopping at 6, if it isnt bugged ill probably get 4

[woven star]

12-4 campaign 2k coin per run

[barren tapir]

but honestly i prefer preparing for the worst - bug fix. means i get 5, barely.

4 drop + 1 shop i mean.

[viscid swift]

at least you probably won't have to spend bullins on Hornet 2

[blazing cedar]

we still dotn have a option to quickly setup a fleet right? its still one ship at a time? XD

[viscid swift]

yes

[sweet delta]

the Advice button in events and hard mode can add 6 ships for you

[barren tapir]

i also wont need to prefarm coins if i use the full 125k oil i apparently make nearly 600k coins

[blazing cedar]

thanks. hoping they would add that in teh future and then increase teh fleet count. XD

[undone plover]

since time will be an issue prep your dock and gear presets

[barren tapir]

how do i do that

beyond prepping the 6 ships in advance the night before in dorm/gearing idk what else to do there

[viscid swift]

not much else to do besides that really

[undone plover]

I just mean use bulins and dupes if u are holding on to them
and if u dont have enough gear to fully equip your fleets can prep the presets for quick swap

[viscid swift]

oh that stuff

[blazing cedar]

ill be farming on 12-4 as advise and working my way to exp for the PR ship (android one). With US Main ships, can I auto it with jsut ykkz?

[viscid swift]

oh yeah rip anyone who has to pull for Yorktown 2 as well

[viscid swift]

just run a full fleet, with oil caps there's no point in running anything less

[little tree]

Wait why

[barren tapir]

i mean ill probably be pulling on the last day just binge pull for an hour yknow

or i can pull when my fleets are sleepy

[viscid swift]

well if you're gonna grind hard for HVARs you can't level them up until the latter half of the event and you might struggle with coins

[loud rover]

Should I work to mlb one my available ships or wait till yt2 if she’s the better option?

[blazing cedar]

okaaaay. and for gear presets - does it snatch the equipped item or it looks for an unequipped one?

[barren tapir]

i have coin issues so i have a buncha bulins, but they should clear up in the first 2 days of the event i hope

[viscid swift]

it'll look for an identical copy, down to gear enhancement level and it won't take gear from other ships

[barren tapir]

1:1 d3 isnt very good coin/time but with the sheer number of runs being done it ends up being quite a bit overall xd

[undone plover]

my goal is 2 3x sortie with HELP/hour
which is 12 sorties
so need a 50-60 dock space buffer for that

[barren tapir]

oh yeah im good i have about 80-90 space

[undone plover]

in theory 18 is possible

[blazing cedar]

yorktown is incoming for UR rerun then well be having a NEW event right?

[undone plover]

not with the same fleet
I mean do 12 in 40 mins then swap out

[undone plover]

LNY event late january
then February new UR

[viscid swift]

should be the LNY event soon after yes

[barren tapir]

oh i thought you meant dock space

fu shun retro finally?

[viscid swift]

Wonder if it's even worth doing SP at this point

[blazing cedar]

new... UR looks at gold coins

[barren tapir]

my math says 120k event point solely from d3 for me so the answer is

[undone plover]

I was thinking about that actually
prolly not although SP does have a good amount of elites

[viscid swift]

yeah but it can also drop HVAR prints

and it's 4 elites IIRC plus the boss

[barren tapir]

too much effort would prefer to just run things on autopilot tbh given the time constraint

well it depends if i can 1:1 sp or not

time constraint wise tho i feel it's just worse cos you cant HELP it

[undone plover]

the issue is u cant HELP SP
so it takes 8 mins for SP (maybe more)
takes 6 mins for D3 x2 so really it is 8 mins vs 3 mins
with 5x HVAR drop chance for SP vs 3? for D3

[viscid swift]

well I was operating under the theory that you're not gonna be helping all runs

[undone plover]

why would u not

[storm heron]

glhf hvar fans

[barren tapir]

assuming base gold rates, d3 run is 0.14 and sp run is 0.16, it really isnt much better if sp is identical to d3 but +1 elite

[undone plover]

if not helping then it should be competitive
also we dont know maybe it has better drop chance

[viscid swift]

among other things, I don't think that would be sustainable if you really went at it and I wouldn't want to decimate my stock completely

[barren tapir]

we dont know sp rates so it's impossible to say

[stark quiver]

It’s not that deep 💀
Just farm as much as you can within that time

[barren tapir]

well, i have just enough helps for all my runs but you do raise a point i may not wanna use all of them

[viscid swift]

also lamo suchi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVUTKyTR5KA

[barren tapir]

i'll probably use them for the first half and then see if i have time to do it without

[forest palm]

not wrong

[viscid swift]

oh and to answer your question from earlier, according to the quick test suchi did Halford is worse than a maxed starter with planes

[undone plover]

are the bearcat TBs parallel?

[viscid swift]

actually not even a maxed starter, suchi was too cheap to fork out for her augment

[viscid swift]

rockets

[undone plover]

oh

[south sequoia]

So shes worse than an augment less starter??

[forest palm]

[viscid swift]

yes, and that was with Mogador gun on Halford too

[south sequoia]

wow thats

[forest palm]

she's an AVI bot jfc

[south sequoia]

so basically a glorified fubuki

[stark quiver]

103 zuihou should be usable to farm d3 right?

[viscid swift]

I used a level 100 Honoka in the past and she did fine on D3

[forest palm]

Halford should give more AVI than FBK, but you can also just slap a Tenrai on FBK so~

[stark quiver]

No like 1:1 d3

[viscid swift]

that was on 1:1

[stark quiver]

Cool

[undone plover]

ik she wasnt exactly the cats pajamas before this but how did she rank before this bug

[viscid swift]

lethal too

still not impressive, even compared to just SR DDs even exlcuding the DDGs

[stark quiver]

Debating if I should get a 4th wyvern as well
Cuz not interested in gear swap

[undone plover]

anything stronger than a 0 LB ranger will do fine on D3 farm
with proper x-fleet and DDG level vanguard

[forest palm]

I remember being excited for Halford, but then she got knee capped with a Sea Plane, and lost all interest

[barren tapir]

despite having gear bias...it's so bad

[stark quiver]

Proper xfleet is the funny part
I’m probably gonna have to run like 3 cv fleet 2

[barren tapir]

76% of laffeykai's damage...and she lost the ability to provide support/rdps contribution as well it's so bad 😂

[forest palm]

still wouldn't bother using her even if she wasn't bugged, there's no real place for her

[barren tapir]

laffeys augment also gives her more dmg too so the diff is prolly more like 70%

i mean yeah she wasnt good to begin with but this is just... T4 material

[viscid swift]

and in practice you wouldn't even use the Mogador gun on her so that goes even further against Halford

[barren tapir]

yeah gear bias i forgot, right let's say she's ~65% of laffey

[forest palm]

like I said she's just an AVI Bot

[stark quiver]

Also any ideas?

[forest palm]

after 3 Wyvern it's up to you and if you like the idea of juggling gear

[viscid swift]

I mean you probably don't need it

and bear in mind with hard mode you need to change the ships out individually anyway

[undone plover]

I have 4 wyverns
no reason not to get it
just be aware gear lab update behind the corner