gameplay-help

[sweet delta]

The CVs are 0.4s apart and the soyuz and nakhi are a whopping 0.8s apart, of course it's not good

Soyuz = nakhi, then amagi shortly after

[rapid grail]

what's wrong with using other converging TBs

[echo nexus]

who should i mlb first? i was thinking of doing z52 but i’m not too sure (idk why she’s not on the screenshot, just realised that)
i have enough exp packs to get any one ship to lvl 120/125 as well

[haughty pine]

How many ships are added to the game in total so far? Just curious

[sweet delta]

IDK why your maxed URs aren't in the screenshot either, because that's very important information

[granite sapphire]

can you help with what other option for frontline if unicorn+musashi+aquila for backline
I think ancho does a good job with smokes

[echo nexus]

forgot about that, i’ll quickly retake it then

[soft raft]

like at least roughly 700

[rapid grail]

backliner URs first, then frontliner URs are generally the wisdom here
biszwei first imo, though you can finish up yk2n after the rerun ends as well

[stark quiver]

how ab this?

[soft raft]

god i can barely see the tips of the stars of the bottom row

[echo nexus]

sorry my bad 😭
you can see them better in my earlier screenshot

[boreal wagon]

750 in EN, 756 in JP and 758 in CN

[rapid grail]

pick two of MLB laff-ii, sandy, plymouth, yuudachi retro, unzen, mogador and slot them in mob. remove shima from the roster
lots of options are usable nowadays, especially with good gearing @granite sapphire

[sweet delta]

You can max Bisz first and then z52 if you have four more. Z52 was not in the original screenshot because she's not at least level 10 so cannot be limit broken

[rapid grail]

Looking good already. Good job on syncing them up

[echo nexus]

okie dokie, i’ll do that then, tysm

ohh wait i just realised i can get enough to do both since i have a ton of cores to exchange for bulins

[sweet delta]

That's standard for anyone taking dock screenshots, just look harder

[echo nexus]

i have nearly enough to mlb one more ur ship, who should i go for now?

[sweet delta]

Amagi

[echo nexus]

alright, ty

[sweet delta]

Also get retro Eldridge somehow

[echo nexus]

nearly have her done, i just didnt have coins when i was upgrading her so i forgot LOL
i’ll get to that now

[stark quiver]

For third fleet, what vanguard should I run?

[cobalt rapids]

z52 helena smth

[eager mulch]

[stark quiver]

raising ham2 good idea?

[eager mulch]

iirc some people used ham2 for their W15

[sweet delta]

Indeed

[rough vale]

When do the skins get removed on Global EST?

[cobalt rapids]

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[storm heron]

[floral thunder]

My elites are taking up a lot of space in my storage should I retire them?

[hollow gust]

That's ballsy asf for medium harby, this is the same boss that kills things like agir and anchor

[mild sail]

Man up and get 800 dock space

Also is that UR dupe or you just didn't lock her

[stark quiver]

use them

[sweet delta]

It's enough to survive for two strikes and dip

[stark quiver]

should i mlb fritz or yk2?

[vale spindle]

use the duplicates for limit breaks then retire the extras

[undone plover]

they should be pretty close tbh
if u like kear fleet mlb ykii
generally fritz might be easier to run with different comps

[mild crest]

is it worth farming 11-3 for gold bofors?

[storm heron]

is fritz not best light with 8 hvars?

[soft raft]

You don't really farm campaign for gear

[vale spindle]

no bismarck zwei is best light

[storm heron]

[mild crest]

where/how do i acquire more AA gear?

[soft raft]

Open tech boxes
All of the campaign gear drops from those in immediately usable copies

[mild crest]

should i just open all these?

[undone plover]

CN calcs had her 2nd vs light iirc
the more interesting calcs would be BiS fleet, since u dont run carriers solo
there are a few options for light
maybe new best is kear fritz ykii if no slow needed
If slow needed then maybe kear ykii implacable is still best (was it the best before? )
would be interesting if someone tested this

[storm heron]

yeah it was the best before iirc

[hollow gust]

BBs

[vale spindle]

swapping equipment

[hollow gust]

BBs swap guns too

[undone plover]

with enough La9 the dream CV omni-fleet will be real
no swap needed

[balmy coral]

how do i get a fairey albacore?

[vale spindle]

gear lab

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki fairey albacore

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fairey_Albacore

[balmy coral]

I see the normal one

[stark quiver]

how long would it prob take to get 23 mor la9 bps

[balmy coral]

I don’t see the fairey

[storm heron]

same question but 28

[vale spindle]

its under royal navy torpedo bomber before barracuda iirc

[cobalt rapids]

depends on on how u pick ur projects

[stark quiver]

good gear focus

[undone plover]

4-5 weeks with gear focus would be my guess

[storm heron]

it's a brand name

[vale spindle]

its called albacore

[balmy coral]

So it’s just the normal albacore

[storm heron]

1 month tops, I am day31 and got 22
or maybe not granted I once got 7 la9 in a day

[vale spindle]

yes

[balmy coral]

The fairey part had me totally confused

[boreal wagon]

blame the wiki

[balmy coral]

Thank you

[forest palm]

difference between Fan Translation, and Official Localization

[eager mulch]

[cobalt rapids]

/larsdb albacore someday

[storm heron]

does anyone has a sample for takemaru?

[cobalt rapids]

a what

[eager mulch]

a sample for takemaru

[storm heron]

it's the cruiser meoficcers

I just wonder what a good banguard cat looks like

[cobalt rapids]

vanguard cats cannot be good if they replace a backline cats

[stark quiver]

flame + tireless
arty ace elite officer
then prob rld

[cobalt rapids]

but maybe HoT flame and stuff for torp memes

[forest palm]

Man Takemaru is such a meme

[stark quiver]

i hate raising cats

[storm heron]

do people use Justice more?

[stark quiver]

people just dont use vanguard cats

[forest palm]

No one ever used Justice

though perhaps there's something to a Mountain Takemaru in w15

[lyric forge]

uh when is hipper meta crystals getting added to the meta shop approximately?

[soft raft]

Should be roughly a week

Tho either way she's pretty low prio
Decent though easily replaceable in the long run and she's double HP tech

[lyric forge]

last part not really relevant to my question ? but okay thanks

[forest palm]

[stark quiver]

[barren tapir]

ppl do like adding extra stuff onto the end

[keen sable]

I use justice for stupid swap tricks

[deep wing]

Any advice for forming a fleet?

[barren tapir]

for what exactly

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give this a read though as a starter

[stark quiver]

bismarck enty unicorn
portland jav helena
Something like that

[barren tapir]

yeah probably the best they can do atm...bisko for kms points i assume

[keen sable]

Nagato unicorn enterprise portland helena laffey. Get helena from guild shop

[stark quiver]

i was thinking bis cuz get her some levels first for fdg grind , nagato works too

[barren tapir]

nagato would be better as a single ship than bisko but bisko provides more important tech for a newbie

so if u were to mlb one or the other, bisko would have more use imo for the short term

bisko is also a ship that can be used for fdg grind as mentioned

im also blind and not seeing them have laffey

[keen sable]

And nagato can be used for hakuryuu

[barren tapir]

i think fdg is generally viewed as a higher priority than haku

[rigid onyx]

a lot faster to get dev30 fdg than dev 30 haku with coins

[barren tapir]

id lean to bisko first cos that also helps with avp

nagato is what, just haku right? iirc

[keen sable]

You shouldn't ruin your progress for either one

[barren tapir]

bisko is sufficient to reach ch12 with. i was gonna suggest penny actually to save bulins, but the merits of kms tech swayed me to support bisko

[keen sable]

I'm not afraid of two sr start

[barren tapir]

regardless bisko is probably better than nagato purely from a newbie progression standpoint, if we look at tech

i would consider otherwise if they had amagicv or something cos then she isnt a terrible option for a newbie bossing fleet for opsi etc but they dont

[deep wing]

Ok thanks

[night helm]

Where u get the ur aa gun?

[rigid onyx]

gear lab

[deep wing]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[barren tapir]

also they dont have laffey or im blind

[night helm]

Bruh inhate gear lab cus I never played opsi

[barren tapir]

and the starters are all kinda equal imo, z23 would be best for tech honestly

jav - plymouth - eva
laffey - anchorage - fp
z23 - fdg/avp - fp

none is a bad pick really

so id just go with the highest lvl one they have

i dont think jav is significantly worse than the other two, if nothing else she is the tankiest of the 3

[rigid onyx]

don't the starter missions force you to retro your pick? may be incorrect

[barren tapir]

she's also reasonably useful for torp and eva padding for potential HM requirements early on

[keen sable]

You're blind. Right after the purple bulins

[quiet pawn]

Is the type 93 pure oxygen torpedo worth it?

[barren tapir]

oh i am indeed blind. well i still think i'd just go with javelin since she has levels

[keen sable]

Laffey is Saint louis protocore

Javelin just sucks

Z23 if you really want to rush fdg

[barren tapir]

objectively, all 3 suck, and the difference isnt particularly big among them

[keen sable]

16 is not levels

[barren tapir]

ye fair enough. it doesnt really matter though imo

but like yes you can say javelin lacks dps, she probably does i havent done a proper testing of the starters

but she does have decent trp stat which is helpful for pushing higher HMs

her ehp is 78.24% compared to z23's 75.51% (so i think z23 is best) and laffeys 59.21%

at the end of the day you're not gonna gimp your account based on which starter you raise

and for the record, i used laffey so i don't have a bias here

[little tree]

~~ i picked z23 she was cooler ~~

[barren tapir]

and trp stat was a fairly major issue i ran into repeatedly in earlygame which is why i point it out. it is fair to not value it particularly highly though.

[keen sable]

I would rather have protocore and if you can't survive with uni you don't deserve to survive

Best way to survive is to kill stuff faster anyway

[barren tapir]

okay but saint louis isnt unique to protocore (altho she is probably the best pr1 pick now). neptune and roon exist as options.

and while saint louis is the probable best raw ship option from pr1

neptune helps plytech and roon helps fdgtech so it's not like they don't have merit also

[little tree]

~~ thought Neptune is a meme nowdays~~

[keen sable]

Yeah so you want to nerf all progress by giving 3 million xp to shitty kms vanguards? Saint loius is natural.

[barren tapir]

not that i support ectl but t0 tank being a meme is news to me

[keen sable]

The aug helps but...

[barren tapir]

there isn't really a but, actually. she's a very competent mobtank and even bosstank

outshone by rainbows and anchorage but so is basically every other tank option that isnt rainbows and anchorage

[barren tapir]

saint louis is an option but not the only one you're being a bit too single minded here

id agree she is PROBABLY the best conventional option for the average player though. but no roon/neptune does infact make fdg/ply harder so it's not like you're getting off scott free, you're just having a slightly easier life. Debatably

the main reason i can support saint louis is her being a light armor monster without costing protocore and core data like ddgs do tbh. her augment makes her a genuinely good option to go for first, if not for that i would not even think of her.

[rigid onyx]

doesnt every kms dd give fp tech

[hollow gust]

No

[forest palm]

nope

[barren tapir]

not z18-21 and im sure theres others potentially

ok i checked a bunch it is probably just z18-21

[forest palm]

FP, AA, RLD, and HP

if you're looking at just KMS vanguards

[viscid swift]

only the elites and above give FP

[barren tapir]

also i have a couple counterarguments to this

1. you shouldnt be focusing on pr exp until you reach ch12 anyway, which makes the pr selection based off starter fleet somewhat moot
2. you can say they're levelled so easy to grind with, but also if your starter fleet ended up at lvl120 you begin wasting exp by using them for saint louis anyway

you CAN do it, and it's probably fine, but not in every case imo, there's still a potential to waste exp if you made your starter fleet 120 by that point

[keen sable]

that makes no sense. you have a better recommendation than portland and helena? and then out of spite you choose neptune research with no vanguards?

they also won't end 120

[barren tapir]

if portland and helena are 120/125 exp value respectively then yes it's a waste

[keen sable]

it's only 3 mil xp

[barren tapir]

my fleet was 115-120 by the time i reached ch12

[keen sable]

if you leveled them to 120 in 2-1 the jokes on you

[barren tapir]

now you're just saying bullshit

no one is levelling ships to 120 in 2-1 so idk why you'd bring that up. it's a stupid thing.

[keen sable]

you can research saint louis at cl30. you're saying you're ships are 115 already? what a joke

[barren tapir]

you're not supposed to prioritize research ships until you reach ch12 you can start it but how much progress would you actually make

[hollow gust]

Rushing roon is not worth it , Saint Louis is what most players unlock by first due to the sheer magnitude of eagle ships and often you will get enough exp for a significant amount of her pretty easily

Now that Saint is actually pretty good no reason to not work on her

[keen sable]

get the recommended fleet to 75 and you're done. it's not hard. you way overestimate pr xp

[stark quiver]

who on earth said that

[barren tapir]

if you read up i said sanrui is probably the best option in most cases. i merely added that roon and neptune are alternatives that also works

[barren tapir]

people here, i dont remember specific names

[hollow gust]

5/6 of your entire fleet would be Eagle unless you pick z23 in that case 4/6. Neptune is way too far off to be even close to investment for new players . As for Roon , you still need to hard rush ironblood ships, unless you have a ironblood event , pretty hard to unlock her

[keen sable]

even if for some reason you choose javelin, saint louis cdc is still done at L85 ships

[stark quiver]

once you reach cl30, you can literally start developing stL, the xp will come naturally from just pushing

what you took was focusing pr researching, aka using full faction fron/back

[barren tapir]

it's not as hard as you make it out to be, because many players without an event get commander locked in campaign and go to divergent WA to get commander level you can unlock roon that way if you want to

[hollow gust]

Telling people to grind war archive instead of pushing towards 12 is

[barren tapir]

yeah push to 12 when commander locked, brilliant idea

ive literally seen many ppl in HERE suggest going to divergent if your commander lvl is too low to progress campaign and no event is active. cmon now. stop acting like it's the stupidest thing you've heard all week, i can assure you it fucking isn't.

besides you'd typically need to sooner or later to pick up kms backliners to grind fdg with (or even for fdg tech) so it's not a bad idea to go there if you're campaign locked, which many ppl might run into if they don't start out with an ongoing event or an anniversary exp boost

[forest palm]

[barren tapir]

and considering said archive drops a whole bunch of kms vanguards if you wanted to do roon it really isnt hard at all

[stark quiver]

what did the argument start from anyways

[barren tapir]

uh...what's the best starter dd

[forest palm]

between Laffey, and Z23, I don't inherently see a need for Jav

[rigid onyx]

i think technically z23 but it doesn't really matter from what ive heard

[stark quiver]

it literally doesnt fucking matter, its that simple
not every single player who comes here is a minmaxer

[barren tapir]

no im telling you what the argument started from

my argument was it didnt matter because all 3 had their own various perks when it came to tech points and being usable for pr grind if needed (to an extent)

and i got pushed back on with ppl insisting laffey best

[forest palm]

you're also arguing with Unique, and Ghost

[barren tapir]

well we can just move on now, the newbie left like half an hour ago

[soft raft]

They don't reduce prices for event shop on reruns right

[cobalt rapids]

its not a high prio so depends on ur coredata prios, its a situationally good aux for ships where the bulk of their dmg is TRP-based and they're not trading other important stuff for that aux

[vestal spindle]

Hey there after the update we have a new BGM when we go to attack on this screen can someone tell me the name of this song I like it but can't find it ☹️please

Sorry I couldn't record the audio

[barren tapir]

sail away justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpSYtyKudN4

[vestal spindle]

Thanks

[barren tapir]

I like it

it is indeed a banger

[keen sable]

did it even change?

[barren tapir]

it might change in some events (?) i usually have the game muted so i wouldn't know

i unmuted it just to double check it's still sail away justice

[keen sable]

well it's back to "normal" if it did change

[uneven cave]

As someone who rarely mutes the game, if it's still Sail Away Justice it has never changed, not even once

[stark quiver]

i just listen to AL songs on my pc

[barren tapir]

they mightve been clicking the event tab as a shortcut to go to maps and thus never been on that screen before

[rare wyvern]

Does manual mode break CV sync or it's negligable ?

[cobalt rapids]

depending on sync and how u manual it you can def break it

[rare wyvern]

I'm just wondering if it's a big loss to spam tap my airstrike button compare to auto launching my 0.2s close strikes, for the gain of my vanguard not dying

[cobalt rapids]

that should be fine

[storm heron]

interesting

given how many eager minmaxer were here discussing routes, maybe there should be a new server account competition

[dusky narwhal]

Random question but is chkalov good for anything specifically? I am about to unlock her and about to have enough prints for fs5

[storm heron]

she's AVI tech, use case about the same as saratoga but heavy-skewed

source: REGAL

[undone plover]

her loadout is good vs heavy
but she is an SR competing with URs
I suppose she works as a enabler but not ideal

[rare wyvern]

BF109 over TBs for Light Arbiter ?

[dusky narwhal]

Well I don't have many UR CVs at the moment like I'm missing implac, amagi CV, yk ii and nakhimov or however you spell her name

[undone plover]

well fritz, shinano and hakuryuu are still better than chkalov
she is decent tho so I guess u can make her work

[tacit rose]

can you get any HPFCR drops on any stages or just research?

[storm heron]

research

[dusky narwhal]

Well I have those three but I was thinking about the meta fight and that's a heavy boss right?

[storm heron]

in that case usually the third carrier for shinano and hakuryuu would be a slow/root, ark royal or avp. Otherwise if you want to play shinano hakuryuu chakalov,
v

[undone plover]

those 3 can work if u pair them with eldridge
or u can use shinano, ark royal and hakuryuu

u can try chkalov if u want
nothing beats testing stuff for yourself and finding out

[storm heron]

or maybe testing doesn't matter since you 2 shotted anyways

[undone plover]

this is how suchi ranks chkalov for reference
vs hakuryuu

u can check it on his tierlist if u want
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1370253760#gid=1370253760
though sometimes things are not as cut and dry as this
especially due to fight gimmicks
but rarely does an SR beat a UR

[summer crane]

Hi

What is this shipyard ?

[opaque gate]

is the blue single gun best for z11?

the IB UR destroyer (idk if she is z11 or what no.)

[rain vine]

z11 is the purple ship
the UR destroyer is z52

[summer crane]

Shady

What is shipyard

[rain vine]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[celest tartan]

any advice on how to level ships from 120 to 125 relatively quickly?

[keen sable]

12+

[storm heron]

use them in w12 sortie

[white agate]

flagship+mvp+mood buff+ dorm

[dusky narwhal]

Alright well I kinda like her design so I guess I'll try to level some units and get her

[celest tartan]

🙏

[keen sable]

15+ for fastest speed

[storm heron]

nah what if the said ships is cassin

just do w12, and try morale control and mvp control

[white agate]

~my cassin is 1star level 70 max enchanced and partially retro, not gonna touch her anymore~

[keen sable]

i carried L1 laffii on 15-4 lethal. is she better than cassin?

[storm heron]

oh also putting your level 120 ships in OpSi is not a bad idea if they are strong

[white agate]

ypu use more oil tho

[hazy musk]

should i farm 1.4 to get renown ?

[white agate]

i think she is pullable from heavy too

[dusky narwhal]

Also if I remember correctly with the right planes fritz rumey is for medium and is pretty good for anti light

[hazy musk]

[storm heron]

I mean are you really THAT desperate? Sure I guess

[keen sable]

fomo

[storm heron]

Also worth noting that skins are not recommended for f2p since your docks are limited

[quartz jungle]

Err are you F2P?

[opaque gate]

what is the best gun for z52?

[keen sable]

imo use 💳 if your fomo is that bad

[storm heron]

In case you don't know, the 1180 gems can be allocated to space for almost 60 ships

[white agate]

i would be honestly tempted to buy those skins just to defend freedom of expression

[storm heron]

single 113 = twin 100 kai > single 76 >>> everything else

[opaque gate]

thanks

where to get single 113?

[white agate]

i think gear lab iirc?

[dusky narwhal]

Yeahh dock space is very important and so is dorm but you do you, I spent a decent amount and it's rarely on skins, usually rings and some dock space

[storm heron]

gear lab royal navy

[summer crane]

Who get Sakura tech points ?

[opaque gate]

thank u

[storm heron]

IJN ships

[summer crane]

What is ijn ?

[storm heron]

a certain faction of ships

[white agate]

jp

[opaque gate]

should i retire mlb common sbips? cuz i hate retiring for dock space, shouldve used them for enhancing, but my ship is currently in battle.

[white agate]

jp=inj=sakura empire

[storm heron]

go to your dock, filter, Sakura Empire

[dusky narwhal]

Japanese = ijn = jp = Sakura empire.. that's all I could remember atm

[uneven cave]

Imperial Japanese Navy

[white agate]

ok to do only if they are level 120;
unless you don't care for stats

[summer crane]

Can you come private chat

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[storm heron]

Just ask here

[summer crane]

Where i find it

[storm heron]

I might not be able to help you entire time

[opaque gate]

z52 op asf wtf

[uneven cave]

Is there another language you speak that might make it easier

[storm heron]

go to your dock, look top right for filter, press Sakura Empire

[summer crane]

I speak real French

[summer crane]

Next

[storm heron]

can you send a screenshot of what you see?

[dusky narwhal]

Yeah those are all Japanese

[eager mulch]

[barren tapir]

@storm heron renown is pullable from heavy

[storm heron]

yea those are all IJN ships that can give you sakura tech points

gain those by:

• Obtaining new IJN ships
• MLB (Max stars) the IJN ships
• Levelling IJN ships to 120

[storm heron]

I just put it there because it is not a good advice

[eager mulch]

@storm heron amagi-chan is pullable from heavy

[storm heron]

I cannot recommend in a good faith

why is the amagi pat and hyper pat not in this sever

[summer crane]

What are you asking me to do again?

[barren tapir]

the advice is dont farm 1-4 and just wait till she spooks you in event build, not to build specifically for her lol

[storm heron]

remember how you were asking "Who get sakura tech points?"

[ivory pawn]

Raise ships in your screenshot, basically.

[summer crane]

Which one do you advise me to do?

[storm heron]

Lock one ships each, for example if you have 2 Hiryuu, lock only ONE of them. That locked ship will be the ship you are going to upgrade aand level

[summer crane]

How high should I raise it?

[storm heron]

after you've done that, I suggest raising Yamashiro, Shouhou, Hiryuu.
Also if you haven't, please read this guide https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/

[summer crane]

With z11 what tech do I have?

[storm heron]

z11 is Iron Blood

if you do not know what faction a ship can be, a quick search on web browser with keyword "z11 azur lane wiki" will show you the faction of the ship

[summer crane]

What is this

[undone plover]

u use blueprints here like this to make shipyard ships stronger
instead of bulins and enhance fodder
the ones u have are general ones u can convert to anyone
best keep them for pr7 ships

[eager mulch]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[summer crane]

Pr7 stronger than pr4?

[eager mulch]

no

[ivory pawn]

PR7 is harder to get blueprints for compared to PR4.

[eager mulch]

maybe if he read the research guide…

[undone plover]

pr4 will soon get coining meaning u can get them to dev30 easier
as a general rule save prints for their own season
for example u have VII so better use them for season 7

[inland shoal]

You mean DR4

[undone plover]

yeah

[summer crane]

Lvl 30 I can't lie to him normal at 100

[white agate]

i literally skipped agir dev 26-30 waiting for dr coining and went for dr5; i think that was a good idea since i'll probably finish both at the same time in 1 month if coining comes in before february

[keen sable]

i think so

[undone plover]

do it later
research and shipyard is a slow process

[gloomy fern]

Is the normal banner worth pulling from

[inland shoal]

No, just do 1 light pull per day

[undone plover]

outside of events do 1 light pool build per day

[keen sable]

you can do the daily mission for 1 cube in light

[gloomy fern]

So to get other UR ships I should wait for their banner to return?

[frozen lake]

Is there a way to get combat xp from ships that are maxed? Or is it something where it’s better to just grind lower stages with a less developed shipgirl

[eager mulch]

not much else you can do

[white agate]

yes, they just give it

[keen sable]

you just wait for horrible luck in non ur events...

[eager mulch]

/prgrind

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

Yes

• Combat in Main Campaign, Events, Operation Siren
• Ships that are level capped for any reason, if the EXP otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• Muse (µ) ships and loli ships, if the faction matches.
• Use faction filters in Dock to double check.

No

• EXP from Exercise, Dorm, EXP Data Packs, Commissions.
• META ships. They are META faction, not the faction of their normal counterparts.

[gloomy fern]

The special banner isn't worth pulling from the

[keen sable]

it's not special...

[white agate]

it's called special tho

[gloomy fern]

It's literally called special

[eager mulch]

no amagi-chan in special pool

[frozen lake]

Thank you

[white agate]

because generally iirc special has cv and heavy has bb and thats it, not worth pulling thos since event pool will be one of the 2 usually

[undone plover]

for ships like shinano, NJ and shimakaze who are in the perma pool u can wait for the perma pity to slowly build up
non UR events count for it
so just be patient

if u pull perma banners u have a good chance of missing rerun and new URs and u will have to wait 1-2 years before they are rerun

[gloomy fern]

I just wanna collect ships, I'm not really super hell bent on meta

[still merlin]

Is z52 a gun or torp dd

[undone plover]

if u are out of cubes u cant collect new ships from new events

[eager mulch]

both

[inland shoal]

If you want to collect all ships
Do 1 light pull a day

[keen sable]

if you want the least ships collected pull on permanent

[gloomy fern]

So it's a similar situation to like Star Rail and such

[frozen lake]

I got one of each in the ur pity pool and then have stopped pulling on non event

[storm heron]

how good is this one?

[eager mulch]

ok

[undone plover]

I suppose so yeah
pulling perma is like using jade on standard banner
not recommended

[storm heron]

3 pointer cat

[keen sable]

too bad try again but isn't it way better than the current one?

[white agate]

shame that is not chief of staff

i would still take it better than mine best mewofficier(loading chief and fp

[storm heron]

I need chief of staff and soulful right

[undone plover]

need no
want yes

[keen sable]

you need to end with flame + soul

starting is super cope

[undone plover]

getting 2 FP talents and soul/flame is perfect
getting soul + flame is godlike and unlikely to happen on initial rolls

[inland shoal]

perfect, perfecter, perfectest

[storm heron]

so difficult smh

[inland shoal]

That is why no one likes cats

[gloomy fern]

Does anyone have a guide to stats and gear they could send me

[white agate]

i would like them more if i could see hope by my starting talents

[keen sable]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations

#bot-spam /equip

[summer crane]

Hi

[ornate bronze]

What is the timeframe for Eldridge's retrofit item to be available? Based on previous ones

[summer crane]

To get Sakura tech points do I need a Sakura ship?

[storm heron]

[undone plover]

get sakura ship
max limit break sakura ship
and take sakura ship to level 120
all of this gives sakura tech

[summer crane]

What ship i up

[viscid swift]

next EN Anniversery

[white agate]

aka in july-august iirc?

[keen sable]

what ships do you have and where are you/can you do d3?

[viscid swift]

mid August

[eager mulch]

do i have dementia or have we been here before

[storm heron]

also is faction buff just 🚮 ?

[white agate]

d3 is not aviable atm

[summer crane]

No to have Sakura tech points

[keen sable]

i think it's a sidegrade to other one

[white agate]

also the most common slot waster for me apparently; like 70-80% of my cats have it

[summer crane]

This is my all ship sakura

[undone plover]

flame is worth raising for now
dont reroll it but just use it till u get a better one later

[keen sable]

you're not sakura ships. the question would be should you even be using resources on this

but if you insist...

[storm heron]

I'm just looking for a perfect one tbh, I have a drake and antenna with soulful destiny max fp and rld

[barren tapir]

have you even reached ch12 yet

[summer crane]

No but I will show one just to have sakura tech point

[elfin hollow]

if i want to farm exp from unnecessary extra battles in siren, do I have to do them manually since they aren't counted by auto?

[eager mulch]

look inside of yourself, only there will you find perfection

[barren tapir]

exp grinding bad ships before oilcap is just really not ideal

[cunning bison]

how do u get special meowfficers such as drake

[eager mulch]

Tempesta events

[keen sable]

special event

[cunning bison]

ok and what special mwowfficers r there? (other than drake)

[barren tapir]

if u want opsi exp just ignore hiddens for that purpose its not worth it. stronghold auto does all fights, and then for exp grinding just strategic c1 (or c3/c5 at end of month)

[storm heron]

drake very good BB meowficcer, every very good campaign meowficcer

[soft raft]

he was asking for the other Tempesta cats, not details about Drake

[eager mulch]

Drake is also a good CA

[barren tapir]

kidd is okish also

[storm heron]

pouring salt

[barren tapir]

theres also like bellamy and roberts but they are meh

[cunning bison]

so basically drake and kidd then... tempesta is basically for halloween right? will the meowfficers be obtainable again?

[barren tapir]

every is best overall

[keen sable]

drake was

[cunning bison]

????

[barren tapir]

and yes based off last event they will rerun in some fashion

[cunning bison]

k ty jst gotta wait ig

[barren tapir]

every is the name of a cat she is the best tempesta cat imo, very slightly overall better than drake to me

[storm heron]

people named Every

[barren tapir]

obviously they were named after the cat

[frosty slate]

Is there any good comp already to face Taihou Meta?

[storm heron]

yes there is a 99% comp

[frosty slate]

Oh, anyone has a guide or something?

[storm heron]

there is a comp example up there, lemme find it

[cunning bison]

so kidd and every.. what do they do? (wiki doesnt sayyy)

[soft raft]

there's no pages for the tempesta cats for some reason
but the main gist with them that sets them apart from other cats (at least for the SR ones) is that they have pre-set talents

I don't remember if the Elite ones get the sametreatment

[storm heron]

implacable-less fleet for taihou, maihou, taihou META, META taihou
#gameplay-help message

[rain vine]

they do

[cunning bison]

hmm and what r the pre-set talents?

[barren tapir]

the elites also but theyre just bad xd

[frozen inlet]

Who to MLB + any change to teamcomp for opsi and campaign

[tribal frigate]

which one i should use for Rumey?

[storm heron]

nakhimov-less fleet for taihou, maihou, taihou META, META taihou
#gameplay-help message

[soft raft]

Considering that she's not even MLB, just bench her for the time being

[frosty slate]

Thank you!

[molten ether]

How do I start chapter 4 in the operation siren campaign? It says to visit the 4-1 rally point, but I don't see it on the map

[soft raft]

have you tried going to the information tab to see where to go?

[molten ether]

I don't know what the information tab is

[cunning bison]

tyty

[molten ether]

It says there are no missions available

[cunning bison]

ah so it helps minimise bad rng in a way

[keen sable]

tap story

[soft raft]

Hmmm
trying to rack my head because it's been ages since I cleared OpSi and there's no detailed guide (Yet)

I think maybe that's the big red swirly pool in the middle of the map

[nocturne glade]

should I start saving oil for YK2 event?

[cunning bison]

shld hv a red exclamation mark thingy

on the sector

[keen sable]

do you normally?

[molten ether]

Story progress also says no missions available and there's no exclamation mark on the map

[nocturne glade]

last event I ran out of oil so was thinking about it

[cunning bison]

red chat bubble

show me u map

[soft raft]

Have you tried going to the big red swirly in the middle of the map

[soft raft]

since that's the only thing I can think of for a rally point

[keen sable]

wrong map

[barren tapir]

huh maybe try unlocking gibraltar?

[cunning bison]

have u cleared 8 sectors btw? in chp 3

[soft raft]

Is there really no proper OpSi Guide out there?

[molten ether]

I've cleared every sector I can I think

[cunning bison]

try big red core

[barren tapir]

wtffff is that opsi coin

[ivory pawn]

Could you share a screenshot of your Information tab?

[molten ether]

It says zone has not been unlocked when I tap on the core

[barren tapir]

5.3 million somethings super wrong....

[keen sable]

show information page

[barren tapir]

how many months have you been stuck on this

[barren tapir]

i have so many questions

[ivory pawn]

Mission Hub?

[keen sable]

999

[ornate bronze]

👀

[barren tapir]

theyve been stuck here for months, it seems. did no one see the 5.3 million coins

this is looking very much like a bug to me honestly nothing is making sense

[ivory pawn]

Need to see Mission Hub to be sure.

[cunning bison]

id id owo maybe i shld try clearing chp 3 and seeing whats wrong w this person's

[barren tapir]

theyve done every exploration sector and ch4 should unlock gibraltar but theyre stuck right before that somehow

[molten ether]

What's the mission hub?

[keen sable]

the tab next to story tab

[barren tapir]

like i said...this screams bug to me, youll need to contact support imo

[molten ether]

OK, thank you

[cunning bison]

yikes he even maxed all stats

[soft raft]

before you do tho, have you tried force closing and relaunching the game? It could've been a desync

[barren tapir]

it's a natural maxing too, not c1 spam...look at his coin count. 5.3m is absurdly high, most ive EVER seen still didnt break 1m

[ivory pawn]

My only suggestion atm besides support is to go to every single blue port and see if there's anything you can interact with.

[molten ether]

I've tried force closing and checking every port and sector

[barren tapir]

if i had to guess he prolly lagged/lost internet/desynced at some critical story moment that caused miscommunication between client and game server and made it unable to continue to the next story bit

and this probably happened months ago so relogging now wont fix anything

[soft raft]

Truly a 🍝 code moment

[barren tapir]

well congratz on having the most opsi coins of anyone ever probably

[sweet delta]

legitimately

[barren tapir]

i'd love to see their special token and energy storage counts tbh

[crisp raven]

you now have a goal to ascend to with your C1 farming

[barren tapir]

c1 farming is net negative coins

only by a little, but.

[storm heron]

that is actually super insane

[keen sable]

only if buying from akashi

[crisp raven]

eww. even worse. how else are you gonna get 5.3m opsi gold then?

[storm heron]

they have been stuck there for like what, 5 years?

[barren tapir]

well that's the entire point of c1 lol

[keen sable]

yes but that doesn't mean they did it

[barren tapir]

and the idea is slight positive ap gain to get more from c3/c5 cat nodes, not gain opsi coin

[storm heron]

does that mean account bricked?

[ivory pawn]

Depends if support can unbrick it, although you can probably be mostly fine? Can still get a bunch of decent gear from Research and Events.

[barren tapir]

we've found a way to potentially brick an account

[storm heron]

"visit the 4-1 rally point"

[barren tapir]

well assuming they find out how that happened ofc. im just guessing that its a critical lagspike/networkfailure at a story chapter transition point

[storm heron]

in any case this is so wtf, imagine spending years there

[keen sable]

where do you even see that though. when you try to click inside se zone?

[barren tapir]

it's story mission

[storm heron]

that's what they say, so I assume that they probably have been doign opsi for like years and not continuing the chapters

[keen sable]

umm it could be hidden under an abyssal

[barren tapir]

oh wait...maybe. i thought story missions had highest priority tho but maybe not?

[storm heron]

unless, hacker something something

[stark quiver]

are c6 abyssals onefleet-able on 0 adapt

[sharp socket]

no

just buy adapts from shops

[quartz breach]

I just opened the game and the mail gave me two I think skin boxes but where are they? I can't find them.

[rapid grail]

ah, the new notice. should be in mail

[soft raft]

gear skin boxes
they automatically exhcnaged for skins when you claimed them

[quartz breach]

Ohhh

[gloomy fern]

is Belfast good

[late flame]

nope

[gloomy fern]

Lame

[soft raft]

Year 1 ship moment

[hollow gust]

Bel is very good, +1fp

[tranquil rock]

why does she have annhilation mode?
laffey retro has that, not laffii

[forest palm]

Enterprise...

also Portland

[sweet delta]

The devs just decided to name it like that

[tranquil rock]

name what

[sweet delta]

The skill banner

[tranquil rock]

oooh i see

[willow dock]

Every decent or better gear takes these
WHY?!

[viscid swift]

ask the devs

[sweet delta]

Because the devs said so

[barren tapir]

not every

[forest palm]

[vestal glen]

just wondering, but if dont have kearsarge then what main can be run with york 2?

[forest palm]

Enterprise

[sweet delta]

Depends on what you want to do

[vestal glen]

welp ic

[vestal glen]

by this you mean like? heavy or light armor enemies?

[sweet delta]

Like chapter or specific boss

[vestal glen]

ah ok

[sweet delta]

Because unicorn would be a good pair with her in chapter 13 and 14 for example

[opaque gate]

is 155 kai better than 155 as bb cl gun?

[stark quiver]

for w14 yes

[sweet delta]

For everywhere else no

[blissful hatch]

I made Surcouf augment but she don't fire her barrage when firing her main gun in supply line disruption daily raid. Why does it work this way?

[stark quiver]

spray pattern diff?

[storm heron]

something something

idk why, for ch15 there are descriptions on each gun's interception performance, but there's none for w14

[keen sable]

kagerou searchlights are not bomb boats

they don't exist anywhere except for 14

[dusky narwhal]

How do I max this? It's gonna take forever at the rate I get grey CVs is there anyway to do this quicker

[proven current]

XP Datapacks?

[stark quiver]

There is, using higher rarity cvs , but I advise against it

[weary gust]

It won't take longer than it will for you to mlb her.

[dusky narwhal]

Like medal exchange ones?

[plain saffron]

chapter 12 drop more CV

[dusky narwhal]

I am almost there I just need the one from the pass and I'm 6 levels away iirc

[plain saffron]

higher rarity doesn't even give that much more

nvm it's like 3 times

[sinful escarp]

clear 12-4 a couple of times. a lot of CV drop from there iirc

[dusky narwhal]

I've been farming 12-4 but is something like 12-1 more efficient for getting CVs

[plain saffron]

but you only get like 5 times less of them

[tall bane]

Should I get the NJ one so I can max her quickly or get the new ship

[dusky narwhal]

I have been just still feels really slow

[plain saffron]

max another one should be better

[stark quiver]

Bruh I broke my pc cable port

[plain saffron]

play more

[keen sable]

probably not. it's complicated. just farm whatever you feel like.

[tall bane]

Ok

[stark quiver]

Just farm normally, you’ll get it in due time

[plain saffron]

also some event prob more efficient

[dusky narwhal]

Alright then we'll I've been playing a decent amount but mainly just the event and only recently started 12-4 again but as long as I get it done before Yorktown rerun I should be fine

[soft dagger]

when you are enhancing other ship rld, dont use the grey cv. if you care that much

[dusky narwhal]

That's what I do three rounds of 12-4, give rumey everything first then give the rest to whoever needs it

[sweet delta]

I have too many gray cvl

[eager mulch]

how many amagi-chan do you have

[forest palm]

[blissful berry]

anyone know why this is happening?

[weary gust]

Game desync. Restart game.

[blissful berry]

i did twice, but ill try again

[weary gust]

Idk then, I've only seen error messages like that when it comes to trying to start comms that no longer exist and the such. Might be different with purchases.

[blissful berry]

did it, game hate me

[viscid swift]

there are plenty of alternatives to it

[left cedar]

Whats the best Super rare ships?
I got belfast, duisberg, le malin and prinz heinrich

[proven current]

Hmmm, there isnt fully "the best"

[stark quiver]

uhh
theres a variety of them

[proven current]

If you upgrade them, and give them a good weaponry, most of them can end being perfect

[soft raft]

there's alot of them
and out of the 4 you listed, only Heinrich stands out

In which case her purpose is tanking

[soft raft]

"Perfect" my foot
a shit ship will still be worse than a good ship even if they both have the same gear

[left cedar]

Ah okay thanks yall

[proven current]

Idfk lol, im just talking using my game experience

[plain saffron]

#tech-support can help you

[stark quiver]

some notable ones are owari,enterprise,unicorn retro, aquila, saratoga retro, independance retro,helena retro,anchorage,jintsuu meta, ddgs, fishpack

missing a lot, but yea thats that

[soft raft]

if you havent reached W13 yet, you can get away with quite alot of wack stuff before then so no surprise you'd think that if that's the case

[stark quiver]

Perfect ships don’t exist, well perfect for X situation might

[left cedar]

Is unicorn retro and unicorn the same?

[soft raft]

(For context of what we mean by retrofit) https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dockyard#Retrofit

[stark quiver]

You raise ships based off of wat you need, not what I list

[novel solstice]

Take normal unicorn, press the retrofit button, and then throw materials at her until she turns into unicorn retro.

[proven current]

Yes, i might agree on that
I Use unicorn retrofit and i had a beautiful experience on battles

[left cedar]

Cause im already using her and i didnt know diffeence between retro and not

[eager mulch]

i need amagi-chan

[weary gust]

Retrofit is an additional skill and upgraded stats, sometimes even changes their mounts/airplane numbers.

[stark quiver]

wish granted

[elfin hollow]

is there a spenders guide? I was thinking about getting the 80€ double top up but I dont know if the packs and bundles are more efficient. I usualky get the skin drop bags and the 30 day gem thing

[wind hazel]

#gameplay-help message

this a good write up on gem

[hollow gust]

For pure gem value the double is almost always better

[vagrant harness]

Is fritz rumey worth mlb if i have amagi, shinano, york2, implacable mlb?

[left cedar]

Should i use Laffey? I have these “newcomer” quests where i have to upgrade and limitbreak her

[wind hazel]

question is whether you have other UR that aren't mlb

[vagrant harness]

@wind hazel

[wind hazel]

i would mlb Alsace

[left cedar]

What should i switch out for laffey?

[elfin hollow]

thank you!

[vagrant harness]

After fritz? Alright

[wind hazel]

i just notice, where is your yorktown 2? you said you have it

oh nvm it's hidden above

[wind hazel]

but this is also not what i said

[sinful escarp]

dont use bullins, they are just for limit breaking

[wind hazel]

might wanna give this a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

short version is you won't be able to limit break the 3 SSR vanguard you're using very soon

[left cedar]

Oh okay

[wind hazel]

so best switch them out ASAP

[left cedar]

Alright thankss

[elfin hollow]

bless thanks

[vagrant harness]

u mean, i should mlb3 alsace first? even when fritz is mlb3 already?

[gaunt oracle]

i wanna use z52 or rumey, is there anyone here i could replace? if my fleet is ok then i wont need to replace anyone

[left cedar]

I thought rares and elites were bad

[wind hazel]

can you show the rest of the hidden UR, i thought you had zero UR BB lol

[left cedar]

ahould i try get Pennsylvania and Helena and the others?

[wind hazel]

not all of them are bad. portland is very good tank, helena is forever relevant, and they all have retrofit down the line

[left cedar]

Do i switch out my belfast and stuff for them?

[wind hazel]

it's more of a reason of players not being able to max limit break SSR ships, so using non SSR ships in the earlier game make more sense

[gaunt oracle]

alright thanks

[wind hazel]

ye then go for fritz, then z52, alsace, mog/laffey2

[rigid onyx]

If you want to push chp15 if you havent already i'd push laffey 2 up a bit

[wind hazel]

maybe even laffey2 before alsace, it's kinda whatever at that point

[stark quiver]

sashi and soy already work, so laff would prolly be better

[left cedar]

whats the diffrence between laffey2 and just laffey?

[wind hazel]

laffey2 is a different ship, a UR

[stark quiver]

laffey2 is better in every way

[wind hazel]

also yes, you wanna switch them out

unless you have a stockpile of gold bulin now

[left cedar]

Nah i got none

[wind hazel]

yeah then best to replace them ASAP

[left cedar]

Alr thankss

Pretty low lvl tho

[wind hazel]

yeah you will either have to exp book them to level them up a bit, or slowly switch them in to get carried

[left cedar]

Alr alr

[elfin hollow]

Guys, i want to farm all those Combat Data Collection EXP missions. How long does it normally take to get 1.2m? And is there like a farm stage for it?

[static harbor]

Says Collected, I got them maxed out?

[wind hazel]

12-1 or 12-4, can be done in a single day if you grind hard enough, few days average

[keen sable]

Maryland, Unicorn, Graf Zeppelin, Heiny, Laffey, Duisburg. Anyone you don't have, get from the invitation or from Guild Shop. The answer might change a little if you have Enterprise or Hood in your Medal Shop.

[elfin hollow]

Still the old ones?

[nocturne glade]

medal shop has hood atm

[elfin hollow]

i farm there since years

[wind hazel]

there's no newer ones

[elfin hollow]

then just take 6x and force emotion run

[keen sable]

it takes one day but you have 3 days

[elfin hollow]

i have 3 days for what :o

[keen sable]

unless you unlocked all missions already and were just sitting on it

[elfin hollow]

Ye i have them all

[keen sable]

normally cdc2 doesn't unlock for 3 days

[storm heron]

medal shop has different ships for each servers

[nocturne glade]

oh does it, my bad

[weary gust]

Tbh taking a week to do each cdc still will let you unlock all the PR/DR ships LONG before they're usable.

No need to rush it, unless you have an urgent need and the BPs already.

[wind hazel]

earlier unlock means earlier coin enhancing too

if applicable

[storm heron]

If you have no coning going on, rushing is the best idea

[elfin hollow]

i just wanna do them to use my oil for anything

[keen sable]

morale not oil or time is your limit

if you really want to do it fast you need 3 or even 4 fleets

[elfin hollow]

I dont really care about the moral of ships i dont use tbh

[keen sable]

your xp cares though...

[bold cove]

Farm enough, reserve oil for next week

[weary gust]

You will when every fight prompts you to start the fight.

[bold cove]

A week all you can farm buffet

[wind hazel]

skip

[barren tapir]

your autosearch cares

[elfin hollow]

[tropic tusk]

But it's never enough

[bold cove]

Yeah i know, do your best

[elfin hollow]

i guess i do 2 fleets then

[barren tapir]

oh there is enough - at some point youll simply lack the time.

doesnt matter if you stock 600k oil for yk2 if you cant spend all that in 160 hours

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[weary gust]

Oil income is like 3-4k per day depending on your canteen level/how active you are with comms.

[bold cove]

Im saving x2 for that too

[barren tapir]

i also hope you dont intend to skip sleeping for a week, and macros are bannable so

[bold cove]

I happy with just 1 HVar

[whole crypt]

go for 2, shouldn't be too bad

the absolute minimum to shoot for since you want 1 for Kearsarge and Yorktown II

[barren tapir]

you get 1 in the shop so i'd hope minimum you get is 2

[wind hazel]

isnt 2 the minimum free

well, "free"

[bold cove]

Oh 1 in shop, so im happy with 2

[barren tapir]

if u were here both event otherwise 1, but realistically if ppl play the event decently theyll get 2 from rerun

[elfin hollow]

when is the event comming

[whole crypt]

shop was 15 prints

[viscid swift]

the 9th

[barren tapir]

shop + milestone but listen that's long to write

[whole crypt]

plane takes 25

[wind hazel]

oh lmao i thought they sold the whole hvar on shop, another on milestone

[barren tapir]

next time ill say guaranteed sources

[whole crypt]

in original run 10 prints were in milestone but no idea if the milestones will be there for rerun

[viscid swift]

half praying the ones in milestone get removed

[barren tapir]

remove and put in shop

[whole crypt]

there's no need to remove the milestone copies though, just half the reqs

[barren tapir]

well they dont just reduce the point reqs in milestone on rerun...total stages is reduced from like 38-40 to 28-30 ish

so they very well could delete the hvar prints, but that'd be super cringe

[stark quiver]

i hope they straight up delete the rerun file and then it goes right to archive

[whole crypt]

yes they take out a bunch of the junk like retrofit prints
the problem is the HVAR prints are sitting in some of the point levels that are normally retrofit prints

[barren tapir]

bro wants max 4 runs a day

[viscid swift]

I'm not saying they guranteed will but for lite reruns they do remove some of the milestone rewards and the HVAR prints do sit at odd points that usually get deleted for the rerun so it's not guranteed they'll stay

[elfin hollow]

Are there any improvements I can make (besides levelling)? I have all URs except PR7, Krons, Shimakaze, Alsace, Mogador, Soyuz and Laffey II

[barren tapir]

but why pray for it

[whole crypt]

now do they have to remove those levels? no; will they do it? we don't know

[barren tapir]

watch them delete it + fix the bug to screw over everyone who isnt old

[viscid swift]

because I like seeing people suffer/s

[tropic tusk]

Oh U can get 2 yk2 that's nice

[barren tapir]

and then release new better version in gearlab to mindfuck everyone again

[wind hazel]

your kear vanguard could use better ships than drake potter

[atomic abyss]

Why is potter even there when kears is?

Ara doesn't stack

[forest palm]

probably listened to Ghost

[barren tapir]

ghost said what now

[wind hazel]

ara ara?

[elfin hollow]

Forgot to remove Potter, I will replace her with Eldkai,is ok?

[forest palm]

the dude posted about this earlier, forgot who was working with'em

[atomic abyss]

Eld would be optimal given that fritz is the only slow there

[elfin hollow]

Thanks

[atomic abyss]

At least their slows will stack

I still cannot fathom why fritz slow is so bad but oh well

[elfin hollow]

I need to wait for Eld to show in merit shop for Amagi

[forest palm]

isn't Fritz slow a proc chance?

[storm heron]

someone put hammII in kear fleet before, lemme find that person

[forest palm]

like it's not as bad as Strasser, but is similarly unreliable

[atomic abyss]

It's a 30% slow potency

[late flame]

do you have Eld retrofit item though

[barren tapir]

it's 100% at lvl10, enemies hit by the barrage slow 30% for 6s

[atomic abyss]

30% is just why

Even ark has 60%

[whole crypt]

it's 30%, upped to 60% is the enemy is also being sucked

[elfin hollow]

I have Unzen Hindenburg Brest and Z52, what do u think?

[whole crypt]

it's a shitty and weird slow

[elfin hollow]

Ohhh shucks, where could I get that one

[atomic abyss]

I guess you could use lala if you really wanted that 70% but...

[barren tapir]

i dont think shes meant to be a slower, its just like a small potential 'bonus'

[atomic abyss]

...it's event limited so forget using Eldridge then

[storm heron]

nakh is not event limited

[viscid swift]

oh hey kronshtadt's event is getting archived next patch

[late flame]

it will eventually show* up in shop (core data, which will uh compete with UR bulin)

[wind hazel]

z52 good, but rip your eldridge

[viscid swift]

CN just announced it

[barren tapir]

its super cope, imagine trying to sync lala to rumey's barrage, both have to hit within like a 2 second timeframe 💀

[whole crypt]

sounds like the schedule is clearing up then

[late flame]

whee i can finally mlb kron

[atomic abyss]

The perma pity is eating bad for a while huh

[barren tapir]

lala not having valid targets in range to shoot at also will delay her vacuum and desync her from rumey so good luck honestly

[whole crypt]

just need to see what they're really trying to do with OpConv

[elfin hollow]

yea rip indeed, I could use Shimakaze as tank, Z52 then Aurora?

[wind hazel]

no

[atomic abyss]

I mean we're not gonna see another actually (still) meta UR pity ship till Vanguard lol

[whole crypt]

Shimakaze can't tank

[barren tapir]

so in all honesty you can pretend

when an afflicted enemy is affected by a pulling effect, the SPD reduction effect is increased to 60%.

doesnt even exist on her skill

[atomic abyss]

Z52 is the tank

[barren tapir]

u can do z52 aurora shima if u want ig

[wind hazel]

shimakaze in that fleet is kinda out of synergy

[whole crypt]

depends on what you're lacking, if you're lacking UR BBs sure Vanguard will be better but if you have a bunch of rainbow BBs then Kronshtadt is a good tank to have

[tawny ermine]

are any of these good? minus jean bart

[barren tapir]

it's just some raw dmg, there's probably better options

[whole crypt]

it's a lot more accessible than a research CB

[elfin hollow]

I see, hmm, I'll lookfor other ships

[stark quiver]

tech

[tawny ermine]

ahh ok

[stark quiver]

mikasa gun for pvp

[atomic abyss]

Since hood has presumably been obtained, tirp

[tawny ermine]

yeah ive got hood

[atomic abyss]

For ironblood tech and being the next best BB in the lot alongside tosa

[barren tapir]

it would be, but agir is getting coining soon™️ so im not entirely sure about that anymore. tho kronk still good option ig if you need multiple CB

[whole crypt]

coin still takes time

and yes you can use more than 1 CB

let's not forget Kronshatdt's crossfleet spread reduction also helps BB fleets

[barren tapir]

ye true it depends on the persons situation but, coining takes time but so does 400 cubes spent on non-UR banner + UR bulins

[viscid swift]

yeah coining all of Agir, FDG, and Haku up just to dev 30 is gonna take 5 months roughly

[atomic abyss]

I mean nnt

[barren tapir]

i do think kronk has value i just think its not the best argument to use "research CB takes time"

[atomic abyss]

Kron is like

Based on ur bulin priority
The worst or second worst to prioritise

[wind hazel]

good to have, not worth to pursue? kinda situation

[barren tapir]

she'd also be behind shinano at the very least for perm URs in 99% of cases

[whole crypt]

bulin priority depends on what you have at that moment

[barren tapir]

which then at minimum locks her behind 800 cubes on non-UR banners at which point im certain brest is easier to max

[whole crypt]

if you had all the URs sitting in dock waiting and had to pick then yes Kronshtadt's priority is low

[sweet delta]

but according to some secret speedrun strats by ⭐🦁, new players can pull for dupe perma URs

[atomic abyss]

Even if you had none it's low

[viscid swift]

yeah but if I'm being completely practical never have I seen a dock so far and said, yes, Kronshtadt will be your next priority

[barren tapir]

sure if u reroll to pull URs

[wind hazel]

i recognize that name

[atomic abyss]

Especially at the rate of reruns

Kron and Shima are in the same place

They both have permanent replacements that are competitive or even better in some cases

And I'm not even talking about rainbows

[barren tapir]

the main thing is kronk is good but shes hardly more accessible than research. agir will be coinable soon + has catchup, brest has catchup and is in a decent pr season since you want ply anyway. by the time you get shinano and then get a second exchange to use on kronk assuming you don't want/need NJ or UvH (rainbow BB and rld tech for the latter)...

[whole crypt]

what permanent replacement does Kronshtadt have

[atomic abyss]

Every single research CB + Anchorage

[viscid swift]

Anchorage, Agir, Brest, if just for bossing

[atomic abyss]

Even Azuma is better

[viscid swift]

a whole host of others if we move it to mob tanking

[barren tapir]

if mobbing im pretty sure neptune is on par with kronk bulk

[viscid swift]

unironically yeah

[whole crypt]

Anchorage sure but are we just assuming anyone can work on, get and give enough prints to any of the research CBs

[atomic abyss]

So is Z52 lol

Well both beat Azuma but

[whole crypt]

Azuma is definitely not better than Kronshtadt

[barren tapir]

very close and one doesnt need 4 UR bulins to be usable so.

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't call her better but she's perfectly addquequte for most things that kronshtadt would be used in

[stark quiver]

do ygs use a 120+ ship in farming fleet if u need to get her to 125
or just dorm

[atomic abyss]

Azuma is useful for Sakura tech

[wind hazel]

felix 🗣️

[viscid swift]

I do farm with them yes

[whole crypt]

dorm to 125 is very slow

[barren tapir]

the main value from kron to me is her bb assisting crossfleet lol but that's not worth 4 UR bulins to me, nowhere close til everyones maxed

[atomic abyss]

And a player that recently started and happens to get Kron would have z52 lol...

[whole crypt]

and if you want a ship at 125 you're using her in hard stuff anyway just let her level in stages

[viscid swift]

not to mention doesn't even need you to spend 4 UR bullins for that

[barren tapir]

there's just so many other tank alternatives and kron isnt a super standout for bulk

[atomic abyss]

The essential problem is that URs rerun too often

[whole crypt]

URs don't rerun too often, it's a normal pace, the problem is they go between new UR events

[atomic abyss]

So you'd end up never prioritising her

[barren tapir]

anchorage is like 25% tankier than kron if kron isnt using VH (outside plane/torp heavy zone i think) while providing minor vg survivability buff also

[atomic abyss]

That is ridiculously depressing

[barren tapir]

and as i brought up for mobtanking, neptune is there and like 4% squishier doesnt cost UR bulins, can be coined and can be used for plymouth exp if you want

[atomic abyss]

If only they buffed Kron to have her crossfleet deploy every 20s

[whole crypt]

best Nakhimov crutch

[atomic abyss]

It would be in opsi yes

[stark quiver]

also how do you guys get levels on your boss fleet ships, been running them for ages not even l100

[sweet delta]

put them on mob?

[barren tapir]

🍣 im not sure how mebot rates VH armor plating for ehp calc cos it makes you squishier to plane/torp last i knew, but it adds 20% to kronk on his chart. so idk.

[viscid swift]

the bigger issue with Kronshtadt is I have not at any point in recent times pointed to her and said, yes, I want her specifically to do X

[atomic abyss]

...swap them into mob and raise them there first?

[late flame]

i divide the enemies between mob/boss fleets when grinding

[viscid swift]

and she doesn't have any particular benefits of cost or ease of accessibility going for her so....

[atomic abyss]

Actually cheeky
Weren't you the one that argued that Kron is lower prio than Shima?

[whole crypt]

level in mob fleet first
if you're grinding in ch12 it doesn't even need a boss fleet

[atomic abyss]

Or was that Goose

[barren tapir]

hypothetically if you did a 10 pull as a newbie who doesnt know better and got 5 kronk copies, then maybe

[viscid swift]

I don't recall making such an argument

[atomic abyss]

Might have been goose or torva

[whole crypt]

any argument that Shimakaze has more priority was probably before newer torper options though

[atomic abyss]

That was before Ibuki augment yes

[viscid swift]

but I agree her and Shima are basically joint bottom in terms of priority

[stark quiver]

how much does the last 2 dorm slots cost

[atomic abyss]

6th costs 1200

[whole crypt]

more gems than you should be spending

[barren tapir]

800 and 1200 iirc

[stark quiver]

💀
it might be too late

[whole crypt]

rip

[barren tapir]

why

[whole crypt]

well I don't know what your gem finances are like, I'm a martime mammal when it comes to spending

[stark quiver]

i thought they costed the same per

[barren tapir]

1200 per each

game would be p2w then

[whole crypt]

I swear my AL spending habits are just numb from how much more I spend on imas

[wind hazel]

hvar dorm slot grinding went too far 💀

[atomic abyss]

As someone who has whaled dorm slot

[barren tapir]

how many fleets are you even gonna rotate lol

[atomic abyss]

All I can say is

Even whaling dorm slots is more worth than 3rd skill slot...

[stark quiver]

i like supporting my shitty gacha game

[barren tapir]

i feel like 4 is the max you really need...

[atomic abyss]

And 4th skill slot is a crime on humanity

[whole crypt]

as someone who buys chips every month... 🐬

[atomic abyss]

I barely use 3 skill slots as is

Especially when I've levelled all that I wanted, it's basically only 2 getting uptime

[wind hazel]

5 actually isnt that bad

[barren tapir]

skill slots feel desirable early on but once you remember there's a finite number of relevant ship skills...

[atomic abyss]

I use 6 dorm slots
1 for mob
1 for the uh "exp"

[whole crypt]

3 skill slots is enough to eventually run out of ships to level skills on, after the new ships are done I'm going to have to go back to leveling my capped fodder

[keen sable]

if that wasn't enough skill training really changed the requirements on it

[hollow gust]

Once you level your first fleet skills you don't feel the need for skill training slots anymore . That thing is bumfuck useless

[barren tapir]

id argue 2 eventually catches up due to rapid skill events that happen here and there

[atomic abyss]

And I'm pretty sure
If you try to maintain 100% uptime on 4 skill trng slots
You actually run out of books if you don't whaling for them iirc

[whole crypt]

2 will probably take much longer

[hollow gust]

You don't need to max every single ship skill

[barren tapir]

oh it definitely will but if you skip any ship you don't like and isnt good youll be done in a couple years im sure

[whole crypt]

you don't have to but with 3 slots you run out of ships

[barren tapir]

realistically not all your ships need max skills

[stark quiver]

i only rly max the ships i actually use
too lazy to click more

[barren tapir]

who the fuck levels shit like quick reload or reload order

[whole crypt]

besides the new ships I literally only have fodder left when it comes to skills

[barren tapir]

spend a week leveling a skill for a like 1% avg dps increase on a ship that's plain bad to begin with, it'd take some serious waifu tier ship to get me to do THAT

[atomic abyss]

Aurora, a lot of people level up Portland's skills...

Since they don't know better

[barren tapir]

i would hope that they eventually know better though

[whole crypt]

[barren tapir]

not knowing better just delays your "every relevant ship is maxed" by a bit per bad ship, eventually they'll wise up i hope

[sinful escarp]

tbh i am tempted to just level her skill just so i dont have a lvl120 on the list whenever i train someone

[barren tapir]

valid reason ^

[whole crypt]

if I don't filter by not-maxed my skill leveling list is just a whole bunch of 120 fodders at the top

[stark quiver]

how are the dorm xp gains for ships over l100

[barren tapir]

besides, defense order isnt thaaaat bad. id take it over quick reload LOL

[whole crypt]

it's better than nothing but pretty cope for Portland's eHP overall

[barren tapir]

it's fleetwide ehp cope

it averages to +1.52% fleet ehp if i mathed right

100% better than reload order and quick reload at least...

[viscid swift]

does AA damage scale off of level advantage directly, wondering if I should uncap Akashi or not

[spring bolt]

well i actually keeps 4 slots running all the time and i am only running short on t3 red books... since for any relevant ships i use t4 books

[whole crypt]

uncap from what, 100?

[viscid swift]

yes

[whole crypt]

AA gun damage off the top of my head doesn't have level advantage in the formula but you also have to consider her AA stat I guess

[viscid swift]

I checked that and she only gains like 20 AA stat from 100 to 120

[ivory pawn]

Awful math: takes like a week to reach 70, ~300k exp. 100-125 takes 3-4 million exp. Gonna take a couple months.

[whole crypt]

actually 14

[rose cosmos]

Oh damn I better buy that napoli skin then

[stark quiver]

ima just put ships until l100 then lol

[viscid swift]

ok then at level 100 she stays

[whole crypt]

are you actually using her at all

[viscid swift]

I plan on using her a lot soonish

[whole crypt]

if not then she's really not priority for tech or anything

what, to carry in 12?

[wind hazel]

when you run out of backline to level

[viscid swift]

this is why

[barren tapir]

is there a way to test if lvl advantage applies to AA

for that matter...do planes have levels (for any relevancy)? do they inherit the cv's level?

[whole crypt]

so... ?

[viscid swift]

those are all my remaining main fleets to level

[barren tapir]

i guess they must have levels since cvs do have level advantage for dealing damage...

[whole crypt]

still don't need to bring Akashi with them

[delicate pewter]

hey guys I'm currently building an all ship fleet faction only for Iron blood Sakura empire and royal navy im lacking .any recommendations on what ships to build?.I got all of them btw just dont know whos good

[whole crypt]

or Vestal

[viscid swift]

and as I learn recently if the vanguard doesn't MvP in 12-1 I would actually be better off doing the 12 hour commissions for XP.....

[keen sable]

taihou meta is the only meta backline there

[barren tapir]

i mean if there's no more ships to level...why not level akashi lol

[whole crypt]

yeh but running on 12 drops chips

[viscid swift]

Done already

[barren tapir]

nice 69

[viscid swift]

yes hence why I'm trying to cook a fleet to ensure the vanguard get's MvP

[whole crypt]

but what you're basically telling me is to just move my XP grinding to 13 or 14

[barren tapir]

just remove all gear from the main fleet except for AA gun and 0 bomb fighter

[viscid swift]

yeah but it needs to be a careful balance

[whole crypt]

I actually have same number of main fleet ships left to level

[viscid swift]

because what most of my remaining relevant vanguard tech consists of a few dozen elite and rare DDs

[whole crypt]

(ignore the hermes that's a low cost fleet slot)

[barren tapir]

i see...id just use akashi then yea

[viscid swift]

so if I make the fleet too shit I could very well risk losing ships on a regular basis

[barren tapir]

or run a pure AA unicorn or lusty or something too

[left cedar]

Are any of these worth the gems?

[spring bolt]

you guys lv120ed all other collab backlines?

[whole crypt]

well there's just the issue when you're out of main fleet ships completely and leveling fodder vanguard you can probably give up on MVP completely

[barren tapir]

i mean i think it's still possible just gimp backline and use pure supports and give the vg UR gears

[viscid swift]

plan is basically to run Akashi, Perseus with shitty planes, and either Zuiho or Vokga with shitty planes for now

[spring bolt]

rip chips

[stark quiver]

bulin gaming

[barren tapir]

is unicorns dmg still too high with shitty planes

[whole crypt]

I think it doesn't work for me because I use the fleet for boss as well

[viscid swift]

oh yeah, I'm not planning to do that as such for now

[whole crypt]

Perseus and Unicorn are problematic because even with shit planes they have preload

[viscid swift]

gotta see how well it works first

[spring bolt]

try 0lb

[barren tapir]

ye it's why i suggested lusty big AA, low damage, vg support

[viscid swift]

yeah but we'd be stick at level 70 vs level 100

[storm heron]

0lb percy

[whole crypt]

big AA is also a problem because AA also counts to damage screen

[barren tapir]

i mean if akashi works lusty should too

[whole crypt]

unless you give Illustrious 2 Messerschmitt and albacore

and not give her augment

[barren tapir]

my thinking with lusty is to give her super fast planes with 0 bomb

[stark quiver]

do you guys pull oil out of storage to level ships

[viscid swift]

honestley despite kitting out all 3 AEs fully I never once saw them get MvP while leveling them