gameplay-help

[viscid swift]

Just use Haguro instead of Hipper META

[keen sable]

Realistically it doesn't make a difference. It's like 50 ap out of 5000.

[vestal glen]

wait haguro?

[paper mural]

I figured they might give a gold plate here and there, but I have yet to have that happen on my end

I just did mine, it was kind of a waste of time personally speaking

Probably going to ignore them in the future and just do something else

[ionic mirage]

Help!!! My daily quest(for ship building) isn't completing same with some of few other task? I did them but it not showing in the tasks! What should I do?

[white agate]

show video about quest not completing and forward it to #tech-support #bug-reports i think

[keen sable]

Missions disappear after you collect them so you must have collected it already

[ionic mirage]

They don't disappeared! They are in the tab but still showing zero even though I have build a ship and done other few task

[polar lion]

Is it wurf to buy 2nd copy of Z52?

[white agate]

.#gameplay-help message

[white agate]

yeah, it's worth it, remember to get the torpedo too

[polar lion]

2nd copy use for what?

[white agate]

to limit break first copy, ur bulin are always scarce

[polar lion]

Aight

[ionic mirage]

Now it's completed but mine 2 extra got used up 😭

[white agate]

did you perhaps pull from the medal pool before or was it the cube pool, i am not sure requisition pull does the mission? also it's possible you pulled yesterday in game time if you did so around 9 hours or so ago

[ionic mirage]

No I did just before I did again

[main stag]

hey guys where would you go to collect combat data packs?

[ionic mirage]

It's showing in event quest 2 build

[white agate]

the event quest requires to pull 3 ships tho

[ionic mirage]

Yeah and I have done 2 of them

And the first time I build ship it didn't count in daily

[vestal glen]

aight so this is what i have, what can i do next?

[white agate]

the one for pr,dr ship exp? from starter mission and cruise pass. the ones to level ships from academy mainly

[soft raft]

you dont really
main sources is the rookie/starter missions for research and cruise pass rewards

either way you never use those for CDC XP, way more worthwhile to convert them to Protocore

[main stag]

ok thanks for the information

[viscid swift]

you don't even need to the 2nd fleet really for combat to be honest even

for now anyway

[soft raft]

for the time being stick with
Musashi/Unicorn/Enterprise Portland/Waka/Sandy

[vestal glen]

fair.....then again if i only have 1 fleet then i have this

i wont sub in enty yet coz shes not ready

[soft raft]

also for future reference, dont spread out your bullins
especially SR and UR ones considering how slow you get them compared to elite ones

[vestal glen]

that seems fair, then again my problem these days tends to be coins as i keep running out

i only use z52 after she is mlb right?

[soft raft]

correct

[vestal glen]

dangit thats another month.....wait a minute isnt there gonna be rerun UR after this?

[soft raft]

yup
but that also means another free bullin (at 15k pts reward instead of 30k)

[vestal glen]

yeah thats why, i should be able to mlb her by then

[bold stream]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[vestal glen]

dont really need 2 z52 right?

[soft raft]

#bot-spam for personal use of bot commands

[white agate]

yep, useful tip here is to mlb only the most important ur ships you pull till you catch up, priority given to the non perma ur ships usually

[soft raft]

you use the 2nd one to save a UR Bullin as you MLB her

[vestal glen]

aight

[wary hawk]

Yeah buying an ur bulin is pretty big

[bold stream]

Sorry sorry

Hello all. How does AvP armor break for light and med interact with tenrai dive bomber?

[barren barn]

Hi is this good?

[soft raft]

Good for what
are you even in a position to make a 2nd fleet right now?
are you even able to afford the limit breaks for all of those SRs?

[barren barn]

It s for sp1 of event and i alr limit broke them

[soft raft]

SP1? did you mean just SP?
Either way I feel like that many gaps in your gear wouldnt work well even if you had met the lvl mininum

[tropic tusk]

u have next to no gear

[soft raft]

would be better if you post your dock in a thread first because the renhex thing doesnt let us see their lvls or if they're MLB or not

[barren barn]

It s in building fleet

[novel condor]

He posted in a thread already iirc

[lavish scroll]

is pr 7 rainbow plane better than pr 4 rainbow plane, so they are just same?

[barren barn]

Ye

[soft raft]

they are different
PR7 plane is a fighter
PR4 plane is a Dive bomber

[wind hazel]

they are different plane category

[bold stream]

Hello all. How does AvP armor break for light and med interact with tenrai dive bomber armor break?

[lavish scroll]

sorry i quite dumbass

[thin haven]

/help

[odd root]

📥 | The list of commands you have access to has been sent to your DMs.

[soft raft]

#bot-spam for personal use of bot commands

[soft raft]

ok I took another look and im more confused now
how is your gear situation that bad if you have ships uncapped to lvl 125

[boreal wagon]

basically not at all, since avp increase damage that scales with AVI while tenrai is a generic armor break that increases damage that scales with FP

[bold stream]

Thank you Lars!

[barren barn]

Can someone help i posted everything #1323293975830069308

[bold stream]

So tenrai is good if you have a dps vanguard or a strong battleship to leverage off it..

[boreal wagon]

its one way of putting it

tenrai is just overall a good plane however

[crystal bloom]

Bless you bot-spam server. The quick guide for World 15 is wonderful.

I have a question though. I'm just about to start W15. I looked on youtube and found KimoCheese from 7 months ago saying that North Carolina is OP for W15 because of her unique augment. Went ahead and leveled her to 125. But looking at the guides, I don't see her listed anywhere. Did I get baited?

[viscid swift]

yes, hard

[eager mulch]

yes, kimocheese is bad

[bold stream]

So, I should just get my first copy of tenrai from core blueprints rather than BB/CL/CA? This would be my first UR equipment

[torn latch]

North Carolina? What the fuck

[viscid swift]

this is why you don't watch AL youtubers for gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

Average kimo shenanigans

[boreal wagon]

im not familiar with proto priority but someone else will probably answer you

[vestal glen]

is the white shell worth again?

[viscid swift]

well have you got 2-3 champagne guns

[whole crypt]

North Carolina augment is a hard cope for ch15
you can use her but she's kind of like a poor man's attempt or challenge setting

[torn latch]

It's always worth it if you are running out of them.............

[vestal glen]

no i mean compared to anything else i could get, because i also have the purple version of white shell

[bold stream]

This would be my first UR gun.. btw.. which one is champagne gun?

[tropic tusk]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[novel solstice]

NorCal is OP for being secretary in a bunnygirl outfit.

She's fine if you literally have no UR backliners, I guess? But for w15, you're going to be infinitely happier with a lot of rainbows in your fleet.

[fast steppe]

is there such a thing as too many white shells

[whole crypt]

tenrai should be highest proto shop priority after gold gear

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)

[torn latch]

No one want to use purple white shell aux unless you are a totally new player who doesn't have gold white shell yet and cannot afford to get them yet lol

[tropic tusk]

if ur lazy to replace them might as well just buy new ones

[novel solstice]

I stopped at 23, because while I'm lazy about moving gear around, that was sufficient to minimize gear movement.

[bold stream]

Wait, I should get gold gears first?

[fast steppe]

i've got like 10 but i don't have the coins to level all of them up

[stark quiver]

If ima start saving oil for hvars, im holding onto the weeklies and weekly pack, should I also hold onto the merchant oil rn? Or keep grinding

[crystal bloom]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll stick with the guides from this server then instead of youtubers. This community seems much more competent and knowledgable.

[vestal glen]

but im a pretty new player?

[upbeat wagon]

my stupid ass bought black shell instead of white

[vestal glen]

also anything i can use here to improve musashi aa?

[torn latch]

Guess what, nobody here is a mind reader, including me 😄 😄

[vestal glen]

still good tbh, combo with white shell should be good so eventually u shud get both?

[fast steppe]

i should be good right

[whole crypt]

there are things like champagne gun and BF-109G that are useful, and gold gear prints are significantly cheaper than rainbow gear plus needing less prints to finish a copy

[vestal glen]

my god thats a lot

[upbeat wagon]

should i buy white shell or independance?

[whole crypt]

the bottom line is to get up to 3 copies of champagne guns + side grades before trying to get any of the rainbow gear

[vestal glen]

im new so cmiiw, but what bb u use if u wanna go for white shell? and do you have a cv thats good or not?

[bold stream]

Sht.. thanks. I almost got baited by the rainbow colors...

[upbeat wagon]

musashi, with black shell probably

[torn latch]

Independence if you really lacking with good CV, otherwise white shell and black shell auxes

[vestal glen]

is anything here an improvement to purple twin 113mm?

[upbeat wagon]

white shell it is than

[vestal glen]

musashi is best if she uses both black and white tbh...

[whole crypt]

tenrai is good but the problem is the primary concern for gearing tends to lie with bossing, in which case tenrai usually turns out less impactful than having a good set of triple AP guns

[vestal glen]

my musashi build almost complete 🙂 now i just have to figure out how to turn back time so i can get the 460mm guns

[sweet delta]

I already told you last time, basocally all gold AA guns are better

[soft raft]

she barely uses the Triple 460
basically no one uses it

[viscid swift]

the 460 is very niche, rarely used on anyone

[vestal glen]

really? well ok then

[torn latch]

If you are new player as you claimed, just my personal take, but you should hold back with trying to giving advice to fellow new player, to prevent misinformation 🙂

[vestal glen]

shouldnt it be musashi's best in slot? otherwise what is best for musashi?

[torn latch]

Hope this doesn't count as mini-modding or something

[vestal glen]

fair enough, my bad

[viscid swift]

no, and one of the best guns for her is the one you have on her right now

[whole crypt]

if you're short on AA guns purple 113 can be useful but not on Musashi

[soft raft]

no it is not her BIS
Mainly due to how fucking slow it is

30s reload is crazy especially on Musashi who already has pretty slow reload stat for a UR BB

[vestal glen]

really? wait does going for the gold even matter at this rate then?

[sweet delta]

It is bis, rarely

[bold stream]

Which series should I buy for this? They reset monthly right?

[viscid swift]

as I've said numerous times, higher rarity doesn't automatically mean better for anything in this game

[upbeat wagon]

confetti gun

[fast steppe]

z flag is rainbow

[viscid swift]

and best in slot isn't really a concept in AL for that matter, gearing is always situationally dependent

[whole crypt]

yes they reset monthly, champagne guns are in PR3

[soft raft]

only the UR Gear BPs dont reset

[vestal glen]

so which one for aa is best for musashi?

[fast steppe]

none of these

[whole crypt]

are you actually having trouble with planes

because if you do you need to work on getting some carriers with proper fighters and geting yourself some better AA guns

[vestal glen]

not really, but i wanted to get strongest possible musashi :/

[torn latch]

Isn't gold quad bofor supposed to easy to get as new player

[vestal glen]

idk, because i doubt i can somehow improve this anymore

[whole crypt]

you have a lot of junk there that won't be best for Musashi, just give her whatever and swap for better when you can actually afford it

[wind hazel]

go read what suchi replied to you

[vestal glen]

umm how?

[sweet delta]

Not exactly easy for a new player

[bold stream]

Aside from series 3 any more series to buy here?

[ivory pawn]

You’ll get a STAAG from research eventually, either slap on a random gold aa gun or don’t stress it until you’ve got the STAAG.

[whole crypt]

there are good gear in some other series but not priority, what's your current research focus

[torn latch]

Yeah AA gun doesn't matter much until they reach w12 realm

[torn latch]

Well I guess you don't need to worry about it now

[whole crypt]

ch12 you can still just cover your ass with fighters on not-shit carriers

[bold stream]

At pr4 rn. Following something I read here since pr4 gears are very useful for newbies. I got 2 washing machines and some good AA.

[vestal glen]

on a second note, is there any way to speedrun golden plates?

[viscid swift]

no

[torn latch]

And for now better to focus on farming event map than playing main story mode anyway, so AA shouldn't be the thing you worriied about

[whole crypt]

yeh 4 is good, then you don't really need to buy PR4 for anything for now
if you already have a number of Tenrai prints you could buy the remainder needed to finish a copy first

[upbeat wagon]

what should my research focus be? I was grinding xp for roon so my focus was roon, is it ok

[whole crypt]

what you set was likely catchup, not focus
focus is based on series not specific ship
generally the better series to start with is PR4

[upbeat wagon]

catchup right

my focus was 7

[whole crypt]

7 is not bad per se but I'd still say 4 is best to start with

[upbeat wagon]

alright

[whole crypt]

mainly just because of how much of PR4 is still relevant today

[bold stream]

Owned 20, buying 30? Anything else I should take note?

[whole crypt]

just hold on to the cores for now, you'll probably be buying more PR3 after month change and you'll want to stock up until you can get the rest of the tenrai prints

ideally you want to be finishing at least 2 copies of the plane between shop and research

[bold stream]

So, go for 2 copies of tenrai before moving to PR7?

[whole crypt]

depending on how your ship print progress is by then

but moving on to PR7 to get as much of it out of the way as possible before PR8 would be good

[stark quiver]

?

[torn latch]

As a beginner player that's a little bit too overkill as a goal unless you are extremely lucky with your tenrai bp drop lol

[whole crypt]

PR4 gold ships can already be coin-enhanced, and we expect the DRs to be coming soon in CNY

[whole crypt]

it's not overkill if you pick the right research while focusing PR4 first

[bold stream]

I see. Agir is the only DR not coinable at pr4 right? Is even a priority rn?

[whole crypt]

Hakuryuu also exists...

[cobalt rapids]

u can top canteen oil in 1,5 days so no point starting now

[worldly pewter]

so u are going for the 25k oil d1 ? u can use all the oil this week and store it in the dead week imo

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't, past experience says even if you only start saving the Monday before an event you can easily reach 15k/16k before the event starts

[whole crypt]

but the more prints of Agir you get while focusing on PR4 the less catchup you'll need to do after

[stark quiver]

I may have forgotten it’s next next reset

[fast steppe]

i think she's the one without a fate sim iirc

[vestal glen]

cog arrays or blueprints first from the event store?

[fast steppe]

but neither her nor haku are coinable rn

[cobalt rapids]

aegir is better than many available tanks starting with d15 alr which is just catchup
depends on ur dock however

[bold stream]

Okay. I will these in mind and stick with pr4 for now.

[steep idol]

In OPSI, why have I not gained control of this sector despite having cleared every enemy on the map? There's just a teleporter in the middle now and whenever I take it, it teleports me to a port and I don't get credit for clearing/securing this map.

[worldly pewter]

i still remember agir dev20 tanking harbiter for me although it was the easiest one but still didn't die

[whole crypt]

I'm inclined to say it depends on your current situation, arrays are more limited if you need to start getting ships up to 125 for pushing hard stuff, but finishing research quicker also has its merits

[whole crypt]

which sector

[vestal glen]

Welp cog arrays it is ig, idk why but my tech for pr ships is getting nowhere

[boreal wagon]

teleporting back to a port sounds like you did a hidden or abyssal zone rather than the actual explorable

[steep idol]

72, Mediterranee B

[whole crypt]

chances are hidden or stronghold actually

[bold stream]

My tanks is just eugene and portland with 828/850 ancho tech.. so yeah she could be good for me. I can already get aegir into my dock if I am willing to pay 30k gold and 10 cubes but I do not have the prints for her rn.

[whole crypt]

yeh you're in a special coordinate zone

[boreal wagon]

to clear the actual zone click on change zone and select explorable

[cobalt rapids]

yes shes an upgrade over both portland and eugen even with just her catchup prints

[whole crypt]

you weren't doing anything that has to do with base zone for securing

[steep idol]

So I just gotta redo it as explorable? Lol. What's the point of it being hidden. Why was it like that?

[boreal wagon]

hidden zones are just special zones for sweet loot

[whole crypt]

hidden zones are special coordinate item zones that are for loot

[steep idol]

Ahhh okay. I appreciate y'all.

[bold stream]

Should I just get Agir to my dock?

[cobalt rapids]

when u finish her catchup

[whole crypt]

there's also abyssals and strongholds, they all appear as special icons and overlays on the zone they are at, these will always be selected first over the base zone

[worldly pewter]

u should always have something going on in the shipyard once u are at w12

[whole crypt]

there's not a lot of time left in this month, you proably will want to finish up those special icon zones earlier in the month next month

[worldly pewter]

i forgot about the opsi

[fast steppe]

what does the wifi symbol on the calculator mean

[whole crypt]

they will all be gone after monthly reset, coords will become vouchers which isn't ideal, strongholds are just lost completely

[steep idol]

I've at least identified them on the map. Abyssal and Strongholds

I've got time and AP crates. I'll do what I can.

[cobalt rapids]

converging vs parallel

[fast steppe]

ah

[cobalt rapids]

u can hover on it btw

[fast steppe]

o

[boreal wagon]

well it can also mean magnetic vs non magnetic for surface torps but yes

[desert silo]

Does I lose excess oil? Like if I have 14k oil, will I lose any over time?

[eager mulch]

no

only oil you technically waste is canteen oil

[whole crypt]

no but you can't collect canteen oil when you're over softcap and if your canteen becomes full you lose the regen

[desert silo]

Great, then the stockpiling will continue.

[whole crypt]

I recommend just spending it off and doing the stockpiling next week

[clever lance]

Who are the best mob tanks?

[whole crypt]

unless you already claimed your weekly oil sources this week there's still a couple thousand to spend for a dead week

[sweet delta]

Mobbing where?

[whole crypt]

the one that survives while doing the most damage for what you're doing

[clever lance]

Opsi

[whole crypt]

the one that survives while doing the most damage for what you're doing

[clever lance]

Needs to survive forever lol

[torn latch]

Then put a healer backliner in ur fleet

[whole crypt]

I haven't lost Hindenburg and she's not a tank

your mileage may vary depending on your setup

[stark quiver]

whats the max amount of hvars i would need in a fleet rn
cuz if theres the bug i might not grind as much

[whole crypt]

5

[viscid swift]

currently max you'd use is 5 realistically

[cobalt rapids]

u mean u want the bug ? coz if theres no bug then droprates are 📉

[stark quiver]

if theres bug, then drop rates good, meaning i can spend less oil

[whole crypt]

I'd say 2 is fair game if your luck isn't up, 3 is preferable but don't be fussed over trying to get 5

[cobalt rapids]

ah i see

[fast steppe]

against helmet with a backline of vg and uvh who should be 3rd

[stark quiver]

now that i think abt it, might be more beneficial to save at least some oil, incase future events happens with good farmable gear

[cobalt rapids]

musasi

[fast steppe]

split between warkai and haku atm musashi has no levels

[cobalt rapids]

sounds like an easy solution

[whole crypt]

we're not expecting a major event with good farmable gear for CNY to say the least and you can always just keep stocking oil from mail

[fast steppe]

not when i'm saving oil for hvars

[tame jungle]

then wait with doing helena meta

not like she's really going anywhere

[whole crypt]

there's a whole week after this event ends to save oil

[viscid swift]

you should at least grind this week's oil

[stark quiver]

or just use the sashi as is

[soft raft]

XP books moment

[viscid swift]

no point saving it for next week because you'll over cap, hard

[cobalt rapids]

if ure not oneshotting helment then ure also not saving oil

[fast steppe]

fair point

[whole crypt]

there's 2900 weekly missions oil and 4k in supply pack every week

[sweet delta]

How much better than warspite is musashi against light?

[stark quiver]

thats w/o bug yea?

[whole crypt]

we farmed 5 in the original run across 2 weeks, some of the prints were from milestone

[viscid swift]

well, one was free basically

[whole crypt]

if you get normal rates this time then 2-3 is probably the limit without spending HELPs

[fast steppe]

i see a lot of talk about a drop rate bug on next event, did less hvars drop than they were supposed to?

[stark quiver]

according to faerlein, max one can get from 100k oil was like 10 with bug and 5 ish without bug

[viscid swift]

they dropped more often than intended

[fast steppe]

oh

[whole crypt]

it's 🎲 and oil is not a direct conversion rate

if you're desperate enough you can probably try to low oil for more runs but I doubt you'll be spending that much in a week

[stark quiver]

yea, im starting to feel like oil isnt the problem

anyways ,goal is to farm at least 3, then 1 from milestone

[whole crypt]

4 in a week sounds like a stretch unless you use HELPs all the way

[remote quarry]

I am aiming for 6, since I missed this event before

[whole crypt]

then you'll run into morale issues

[remote quarry]

I have 400 HELPs saved

[whole crypt]

6 wasn't that realistic a goal even for the original run, and the current comps only call for 5

[ionic mirage]

I'm using using Penns, unicorn and long Island whom should I change?

[cobalt rapids]

uh

[whole crypt]

I have 5 from the original run to be fair but I don't intend to get more than 1 copy then just going low cost

[fast steppe]

so i can just use up all my oil until the end of event and still have enough from saving next week to cap?

[viscid swift]

yes

[fast steppe]

musashi's also missing skill levels rn so

[remote quarry]

I know its a long shot, but I have that week off and can grind at least 12 hours a day. If I can get 1 a day, zi should be fine

[fast steppe]

i'll just hold off ig

[stark quiver]

i mean farming 3 shouldnt be too bad right, around 440 helps saved up, if worse comes to worse, ima just put a la9 on kear and farm 2

[whole crypt]

3 should be fine

[whole crypt]

just saying there's no need to shoot for 6 even if you could

[remote quarry]

So 4 plus milestone?

[whole crypt]

there's literally no recommended comps that will use more than 5 right now

[viscid swift]

actually

[remote quarry]

I was thinking of future proofing

[viscid swift]

if you have a 2nd Skyraider it would be 4 even

[whole crypt]

I agree it's good to futureproof but we don't really have any realistic scenario upcoming that will use the 6th plane

[remote quarry]

I missed event, so will be my first skyraider, and I have no LA-9s yet

[whole crypt]

La-9s don't replace rocketcats

[viscid swift]

well put it like this, it's not like double fighter CVs are uncommon at this point

[whole crypt]

double fighter configs are possible, we're just not very likely to be using 3 of them at once for the time being

not while Yorktown II + Kearsarge is still king for anti-light

[fast steppe]

just finished fdg, who should i research next? here's who i have
pr1 monarch sanrui
pr2 everyone except gascan
pr3 drake champy
pr4 ancho haku agir
pr5 brest ply
pr6 and pr7 nobody

[viscid swift]

no but if another UR CV does get released in the not distance future that can take 2 fighters

it's not an unreasonable scenario lets be honest

[cobalt rapids]

avp

[whole crypt]

the issue is not getting a CV that can take 2 fighters, you can already do that now after Rumey with Yorktown II and Nakhimov

[fast steppe]

btw does the event end before or after the monthly reset?

[forest palm]

after

[viscid swift]

yes I know what you're getting at but that does replace Kearsarge is what I meant

[storm heron]

[cobalt rapids]

after but events and monthly resets arent connected

[fast steppe]

500 weekly oil locked behind protocore cap

[whole crypt]

the precise problem being we're not expecting to replace kearsarge

[fast steppe]

or should i just take it since i'll cap next month anyway

[cobalt rapids]

yes the latter

[viscid swift]

well we don't expect to replace any ship but it does end up happening for one reason or another

[whole crypt]

yes but by then 1) we may already be able to lab rocketcats and 2) the improvement isn't likely to be meaningful

kearsarge is hard to get rid of as well partly because she also doubles as ARA which frees up your vangaurd, so a new carrier will need enough output to replace kearsarge and whatever DPS/utility vanguard putting an ARA back in

[fast steppe]

also just realised i haven't built sirius yet is she high priority for cv fleets

[soft raft]

yee

[wispy cosmos]

is exeter's aug barrage also locked to the 60% chance

[stark quiver]

nnt, so with like 400 helps and bug 3 hvars is farmable?

[cobalt rapids]

great buffer for 2 of the 3 arbiters and good for the 3rd

[whole crypt]

we don't know what the rates will be but 2 mapdrop HVAR copies should be manageable in a week without HELPs

[storm heron]

[whole crypt]

keeping in mind using HELPs for heavy grinding also means extra effort cycling ships because you will run out of morale

[viscid swift]

that's even assuming they don't get rid of the prints in milestone rewards

[whole crypt]

the minimum is 2 anyway

1 for Kearsarge and 1 for Yorktown

[soft raft]

From the way it's worded, sounds like it

[remote quarry]

Thats actually a benefit for me, because I have tons of ships in the 100-120 level range that need xp

[whole crypt]

if you have 12 dorm slots I guess

[remote quarry]

I do

[whole crypt]

otherwise it's going to be a lot of rotating

[worldly pewter]

u won't have that luxury to level whatever u ship u like unless u might need 6 crossfleets

[whole crypt]

[stark quiver]

ill have more than enough ships to cycle, thing is if the bug stays, then would grinding for 3 hvars be doable, not including the shop one

[remote quarry]

I have plenty of ships that can carry a d3, no worries about that

[viscid swift]

not like I'd recc full fleets if you're gonna farm HVARs anyway

[whole crypt]

I'm just mainly saying it's not worth that much effort or trouble, if you want to sure go for it

[remote quarry]

What else am I going to use this 250k oil in storage on?

[worldly pewter]

man doesn't even realize where the actual issue is

[remote quarry]

This ain't my first rodeo, son. Been playing since launch.

[storm heron]

[remote quarry]

Just took a 2 year break for my masters, so I have some catch up to do

[worldly pewter]

i don't think 12 dorm slots will save a full fleeting while levelling too

[white agate]

d3 is not oil capped?

[viscid swift]

it is

[rare wyvern]

Are subs worth to spend special chips for 125 ?

[stark quiver]

if morale isnt a issue should 100k oil be burnable ina week, around 12 hours of uptime

[remote quarry]

I have 170 ships above level 100, think I will be fine just rotating every 2 HELPS

[whole crypt]

eventually, not a priority over surface ships

[burnt bramble]

There went all my weekly shop oil... Thank god for HECLPs... Have 1587 of them...

[whole crypt]

unless you're trying to save oil full fleets is the way to go, preferably ships that clear fast too since your issue is time
morale won't be an issue if you cycle like 4-5 fleets

you will absolutely dry out 2 fleets in dorm with HELPs

[worldly pewter]

the moral will get depleted every 9 helps
usually in under 45 min

[whole crypt]

you need to be cycling undorm'd ships on top of the 12 in dorm

[stark quiver]

im thinking 1:1 ing d3 all the way
i just want 4 total hvars to slot a anti light fleet

[fading wadi]

is the Taihou META Boss heavy or medium? 👍

[worldly pewter]

technically there is no other way but to 1:1

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/bosses/id/1487

[undone plover]

u could full fleet it
just need more fleets to rotate
and u need more oil

[upbeat wagon]

What is a HVARS and whats bugged about it

[whole crypt]

you can full fleet if you have enough oil, just keep cycling out ships that are low morale

[stark quiver]

funny rocket plane, high drop chance

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/equips/id/17440

[upbeat wagon]

Where does it drop

[whole crypt]

HVAR is an antilight rocket, there's a Hellcat variant that uses it which drops from Yorktown II's event
during the original run the drop rates were bugged and rates were higher than they should be

[sweet delta]

/wiki parallel superimposition

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Parallel_Superimposition
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Parallel_Superimposition
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Juustagram/Parallel_Superimposition

Dec 30, 2024, 6:34 PM

[stark quiver]

what would not in issue be

[remote quarry]

Yep, thats the plan. Will just have to take an excel sheet and plan my fleets and cycles

[worldly pewter]

we can try and estimate it with someone who has 300 built ships if this person will get locked because of moral or no

[whole crypt]

depends on your situation specifically, just saying 1:1 also makes your runs slower if you're trying to maximize drops

[viscid swift]

if you're gonna go ham still there's still benefits to 1:1ing even in just one week
morale is gonna be less of an issue because you can dorm more fleets and you save the hassle of having to move around gear and such

[whole crypt]

ah well, good luck on planning that shit out, I'm thinking maybe I'll minimum effort this rerun

[sweet delta]

I'll just get my second skyraider and maybe a seventh hvarcat

[upbeat wagon]

Should I not farm with musashi, because I want to do izumo in shipyard next and i dont have any sakura ships to farm with if musashi hits xp cap

[sweet delta]

But why even bother with more hvarcats if I'm not going to +13 them

[whole crypt]

I'm happy with a 6th but I'm not bothered if it doesn't happen

[sweet delta]

I have a few +13 bfgs

[whole crypt]

like I said earlier we're really not expecting to replace Kearsarge so 5 is plenty
and for people going into this with 0 the needed number is 2 for Kearsarge and Yorktown II

you can replace any missing rocketcats with BFGs past the first 2, it's not ideal but it's a working cope

[storm heron]

4-5 looks good yeah?

[sweet delta]

Kear hvarcat is quite a bit faster than her mk7 reload time and will desync in CM

[storm heron]

man I don't have much plane plates

[sweet delta]

Exactly, so just use +13 BFG as a side grade to +10 hvarcat

[whole crypt]

specifically just as a rocket plane that fits Kear's skill req anyway

[rare wyvern]

Does Fire Control Radar apply to the second salvo of ships with a preloaded salvo ?

[whole crypt]

it helps that I've stopped giving any shit about CM, at least until they update it again

[stark quiver]

speaking of it, after CM season ends, there wont be new ones?

[sweet delta]

It's already ended then?

[whole crypt]

wait for CN anniv to see if there's news, we're still on second cycle?

[storm heron]

wait what, CM season can end? I thought they cycle throughout the year

[sweet delta]

We've been in rerun territory for the greater half of a year already

[stark quiver]

this is a rerun

[undone plover]

I calced this and without dorm u need 7 fleets to cycle farm without stop assuming u go from 150>0 morale in 1 hour

with dorm it is more complicated
but let me try and calc it

[whole crypt]

well it started somewhere and it's on the second cycle, we don't know if they'll change it up again at some point

[worldly pewter]

isn't 1 hour kinda slow though

[sweet delta]

Easiest way for devs, just add a fourth difficulty with double the HP of hard. Then only a hundred players will clear

[stark quiver]

dalao gaming

[storm heron]

me with under 4 minutes clear time

[undone plover]

well u need ~20-25 mins for 3x sortie so u can do that twice + HELP = 12 sorties with 14 morale per sortie = 150-168+20 so u have 2 morale left
ofc u can try and squeeze a 3rd 3x but it gets tighter
u also have to retire and rotate dorm and change fleets
I think 12 sortie per hour is pretty good

[whole crypt]

the joys of dorm assisted b1 grinding

[storm heron]

pretty sure d3 farming is not that hard right? I got 2 sea hornet back then

[whole crypt]

the act of farming D3 isn't hard
the drop rates you're at the mercy of RNG

[worldly pewter]

me and faer got 1 each i m left with an extra print

[whole crypt]

oh great I can totally slack the rerun

[undone plover]

also farming 1 copy is different from 4-5

[storm heron]

kimo was like "farm this insane plane" and I was rushing crazy

[undone plover]

also sea hornet needed 15 prints
HVAR needs 25
so it is harder unless it is bugged

[whole crypt]

not saying he's wrong about rocketcat but stop watching kimo

[sweet delta]

I get the feeling that was about sea hornet

[storm heron]

oh yea that's why, 15 prints

[whole crypt]

oh well back in the day it was the first 2x1000 fighter

[soft raft]

nowadays Tigercat and flap exist

and sea hornet is basically gear lab locked while being twice as expensive total to make than Tigercat

[whole crypt]

and in hindsight you'd also realize 2x1000 wasn't that fancy back in the day because the content you had to use it against was 🚮

it was better, but it was inconsequentially better

[sweet delta]

I had midsight so I didn't farm any

[sweet delta]

And wasn't it D1 or D2 and not D3 ?

[viscid swift]

it was D2

[storm heron]

hmm :bagathonk:

[viscid swift]

and besides, Tigercat was already in the lab at that point

[whole crypt]

wasn't Sea Hornet only farmable in radiant court

[viscid swift]

as well as the Sea Hornet

[storm heron]

nah it was farmable in the perseus event

[viscid swift]

not true, one was in the event shop of Aurora Noctis

[whole crypt]

no it wasn't Perseus was a full copy

[sweet delta]

So tldr 🧀🗑️ ?

[stark quiver]

does tablet aux mess with my fleets reload

[eager mulch]

are you able to access the opsi voucher exchange shop before your first reset?

[sweet delta]

Iirc you can access it, and it has nothing in it

[whole crypt]

you can access the shop but you can't buy anything

[storm heron]

0 vouchers

[whole crypt]

as far as I can remember you could see the voucher items, but you can't buy any of it
oil logger doesn't appear until after reset

[ivory pawn]

Can confirm this, as I saw it only last month.

[storm heron]

wait does that mean back then I was stupid farming sea hornet 🤡

[paper ridge]

Hello folks, I have a very silly question, what is the purpose of clearing campaign stages with 3 stars ?

[viscid swift]

you get rewards for 3 starring, mainly gems

[cobalt rapids]

gems and other rewards

[paper ridge]

ok thanks

[cobalt rapids]

also needed to unlock hard mode

[storm heron]

good source of bulins

[paper ridge]

is there a better one between colorado and west virginia

or is it relatively the same stuff

[cobalt rapids]

similarish
nelson retrofit is a better investment than both if u need a bb

[paper ridge]

yeah but she's not my thing

and I gotta say the colorado retrofit skin

[sweet delta]

Goes to #al-general

[fast steppe]

i've now got a mlb arizona aulick and foote for collection purposes do they have any other purpose or can i scrap them

[cobalt rapids]

their tech is bad low prio and they are easy to get back so u can go scrap em if ure tight on dock ig

[storm heron]

do you gain collection by 120ing?

[wanton dawn]

what is there to do in op si after clearing the map and beating hard arbiter? shld i keep going into C6 maps to try get rainbow prints from meowficers?

[cobalt rapids]

i think they ment memento

[cobalt rapids]

if u cleared all the shiny icons then u can spam c3 or c5 ( if u have less time )

[wanton dawn]

why is c3/5 better than 6

[soft raft]

only tech

[fast steppe]

yeah idk what to call it the button is memento but the tab goes to collection

[wanton dawn]

i thought only 5 and 6 drop raonbow prints or smth

[soft raft]

C6 and C5 are roughly the same but C5 is cheaper
idk what's going on with C3

[cobalt rapids]

c5 has better cat nodes per ap than 6
c3 and c5 average same cat nodes per ap but c3 has better merchant per ap

[wanton dawn]

ohhhhhh wow that is interesting tyty

How do u get more of the stars on the right?

[soft raft]

what's the arbiter next month? Light?

[viscid swift]

yes

[storm heron]

coincidence?

[cobalt rapids]

yea its abit confusing
but memento is the tab that pops up when u click the memento button
what we refer to as collection is the collect ratio % which is determined by the ships u obtained + their retrofits
but not all ships count

[sweet delta]

/wiki list of operation siren zone

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Operation_Siren_Zones

[fast steppe]

ah

[storm heron]

I can still get 100% collection right?

[cobalt rapids]

sure

[viscid swift]

eventually yes

[stark quiver]

yea ofc
just not 100% 100%

[cobalt rapids]

now we got a system even for cruise pass metas archiving so nothing is out of reach

[worldly pewter]

a fake 100%

[sweet delta]

Housii is out of reach

[storm heron]

just have to wipe out every banner drop every map ship and retro ever Iretroable

[viscid swift]

well

there's a few question marks like Urunami

[stark quiver]

forever lost to the wind

i dont have her 💀

[storm heron]

well damn why does that exist 💀

[sweet delta]

[viscid swift]

she first ran as an event reward in 2020, then only reran again I think in 2023

[stark quiver]

the other ships that came with her got put into shops /pool right?

no they didnt, misremembered

[soft raft]

huh what urunami
I dont see one on the wiki

nvm now it worked

[atomic abyss]

wiki was under maint earlier

all i can say is someone is a fan of kuma^3

[soft raft]

Wonder if she'd get perma when An Shan and Fu Shun do too

[atomic abyss]

i mean in that sense

[viscid swift]

I have no idea, point is though she's one of those ships the devs seemingly forget about and getting her is bloody rare

[atomic abyss]

aren't an shan and fu shun like, the most limited non collab characters

they've been limited for 7 fucking years

[cobalt rapids]

they come back every year

[stark quiver]

we saw anshan so many times, if someone missed all those its just unfortunate]

[viscid swift]

nah, Uranami beats them, released in 2020 you've had a grand total of 2 chances to get her including her initial release

[atomic abyss]

even a UR isnt that limited

[onyx wharf]

silly question but ive cleared pt 1 and 2 of the event and cant unlock sp yet or ex, do i need to 3 star all of them? ive 3 starred c1

[atomic abyss]

clear d3

[onyx wharf]

-# i think im blind

uh how do i get to d stages?

[crisp wraith]

Pt2 hard

[onyx wharf]

[cobalt rapids]

it got unpinned

[atomic abyss]

/hardmode exists now

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460648604974055424/1322138175426269215/image0.png

[cobalt rapids]

nvm

[onyx wharf]

ty guys...again
-# EN can't read

[atomic abyss]

cos i guarantee this will happen again and again

[crisp wraith]

Okay but how did you know how to go into C stage but not D

[stark quiver]

random tapping goes a long way

[versed forum]

how many runs can you do before 150 morale becomes orange?

[storm heron]

1 battle is 2 morale

[crisp wraith]

It goes down by 2 each attack

So 60 attacks with assuming no sink and no dorm

Sinking reduce it by 10

[storm heron]

natural regen left the chat

[crisp wraith]

I forgor

[storm heron]

at least 60 attacks then I guess

[crisp wraith]

Natural is 20/hour right

[storm heron]

at least 75 attacks for 0, at least 10 runs of D3, at least 5 HECLP runs of D3

for a 1:1 12 dorm slots, 1 run has to be at least 7.5 minutes for infinite cycle, which is kinda possible

welp people definitely aren't getting the infinite 1:1 cycle with 8 slots

[clever lance]

What’s z52 optimal gear

[storm heron]

fastest gun you have, whatever torp you have left, best AA you have, double toolbox

example: blue 76mm, gold quint, sextuple, toolbox, toolbox

[clever lance]

Is the gold 113m gun the best?

[storm heron]

yes you can use that too, it's better than the 76

the best on paper is the twin100kai at +13

[clever lance]

Is that from gear lab?

[storm heron]

yeah

it takes electronics though

and it's not like there's much difference with 76, maybe like 10%(?)

[clever lance]

How long does it take to farm the UR design plans?

[undone plover]

4 selectors guaranteed every month from port shops and normal arbiter
One time selectors from 800 voucher file zones (dont recall but I think it was total 8)
Rng from abyssals and cat nodes (non selector designs)

[storm heron]

welp it's unrelated to the single113, but yeah this ^

[clever lance]

So… 2 months for a gun? lol

[soft raft]

roughly that long
the game is a marathon not a sprint after all

[stark quiver]

does anyone have example gear setups for 3 bb anti light fleet

[soft raft]

and honestly realistically you only ever need like on average 3 of a specific UR gear

[soft raft]

Triple 406 Mk6 or Mk7 + Typical BB stuff
HSFCR/AFCT if with SG Radar Helena

[cobalt rapids]

stick to 113mm
even if 100kai at +13 is marginally better it is not worth the invesment
and i dont think it is either way

[stark quiver]

shoudl i get third mk7?

[cobalt rapids]

are you rich?
do you need it ?

[copper quarry]

how strong should the 1:1 ships for yk2 hvar farming be? any recommended ships? (i missed the event the first time)

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message
depot looks something like this
i have enough selectors

[stark quiver]

healer + ddg

[willow crag]

my perseus is married, can I ignore this and keep slaving her away as a healer

[copper quarry]

i missed the ddg event too am i cooked

[stark quiver]

better to just let her rest, but if u want u can finish this run

[willow crag]

nah run just started, Ill cycle to unicorn

[barren tapir]

do you need a healer?

self healing vg + high dmg backline should also work, no?

[barren barn]

Should i wait when a ship's morale is dead

[cobalt rapids]

this doesnt answer any of my questions
the 3rd mk7 is not that high in value
i would rather get a 2nd 100kai but either is fine since u have mogador gun

actually considering none of the mk7s are +13 does answer my first question

[undone plover]

Just wait for gear lab update

[stark quiver]

my plates went towards plygun
shouldve +13ed a mk7

[undone plover]

Next month u can decide what u can afford
At this point it is all luxury anyway

[barren tapir]

how good are rumey and z52 crossfleets?

[stark quiver]

also 360 gun plates is possible in a month of opsi right?

[barren tapir]

...i also realized if you use helps and spam a long time eventually your boss fleet will also be low morale (unless it is also a dormed 1:1 but i am weak)

[undone plover]

At most even with using selectors I believe u can get 250-300 of a single plate type

[dreamy blade]

just pulled theseus, her main role is campaign mob fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

more like 2 months with focus guild exchange

[barren tapir]

2 months more like

[barren barn]

?

[undone plover]

Put them in dorm and wait yes

[barren tapir]

do you guys need crossfleets for 1:1 yk2 or do you 1:1 boss also im thinking if i should raise rumey and z52 in preparations

[clever lance]

Who are the top damage dealers for opsi? Trying to decide if I should spend time farming yuudachi

[barren tapir]

yes for?

[cobalt rapids]

yuudachi and her rf arent worth it

[undone plover]

Should raise them anyway
Doubtful we get a better frontline UR anytime soon
And fritz is good as well
Doubles up nicely with ykii

[dreamy blade]

for what in opsi? harbiters/strongholds/just farming?

[stark quiver]

not yuudachi

[barren tapir]

i mean in terms of priority since im saving my bulins until after yk2 event it's a question of do i prioritize them now or later, specific to yk2 hvar farming

[rigid onyx]

mob is easy, and main fleet is most of damage contribution for bossing outside of select UR ships and helena

[cobalt rapids]

also top damag dealers varies wildy by arbiter or other opsi content
if u want a general answer then rainbows

[stark quiver]

yea just rainbow unga bunga

[undone plover]

Trial a few 1:1 runs on current D3
If u can do it without issue then u are fine and no need to raise them
As a general rule frontline and CV x-fleet is a bit meh so doubtful they will help

[dreamy blade]

for opsi mob fleet im a big fan of uni+ibuki+akagi muse for fast clearing but im sure there are better options i dont have

[barren tapir]

like do ppl use crossfleet or they 1:1 boss?

or rather

do you 1:1 all enemies with crossfleet
do you use crossfleet fleet to kill boss
or do you run 2 1:1s, one for mob one for boss?

and which is the best/most doable for a newer player?

[cobalt rapids]

nah amagi cv and akagi muse are the strongest opsi mob combo but people usually dont steal magi cv for mob

[undone plover]

I tried with xfleet fighting boss on current event and got 6 mins per clear
I believe cheeky said u can 1:1 the boss as well but it might be slower

[dreamy blade]

me not wanting to put amagi in my mob fleet

[storm heron]

just use hakushina for boss

[barren tapir]

same, which is why mine is still not 125

[stark quiver]

this is my ops mob

[barren tapir]

pinks

[stark quiver]

i mean it is under construction, only lvl 100

[dreamy blade]

speaking of pink, if this is the case is she worth raising if my current campaign mob (w13) is sara/uni/indep

[barren tapir]

momo i can see but why lala over someone with more frontloaded burst

[storm heron]

nah, same performance I think

[barren barn]

How to expand dorm

[barren tapir]

or is it a case of all those ships being on other fleets?

theseus is worse than sara from what ive heard kek

[dreamy blade]

also got formidable from the event, is her freeze good enough if i dont have implac/avp/ark

[storm heron]

huh wctl rank theseus worse than those two

[barren tapir]

her freeze is rng and just get avp she's easy to get

[cobalt rapids]

ark and avp are both easy to get

[storm heron]

nah formi for freeze is so 2019

[barren tapir]

my ⚓ is almost d30 so i can begin coining up avp, ⚓ fs5 not very important besides the lck right

[dreamy blade]

avp needs fs5 tho right im still coining fdg and ancho

[barren barn]

?

[barren tapir]

(yes i am doing catchup for protocore shh)

[cobalt rapids]

yes not important
her fs5 is more important to remove her face from the research

[dreamy blade]

click to go to 2nd floor, ignore the disclaimer and buy it

[barren tapir]

avp takes time to prepare but tbf i couldve started her like a month or more ago

[dreamy blade]

you have to fully expand the 1st floor before youre allowed to get the 2nd floor

[barren tapir]

i just went for uhhh other ships first

[dreamy blade]

which takes a non-insignificant amount of dorm tokens

yeah she needs less kms points than fdg iirc

[barren barn]

How to expand first floor

[vale spindle]

if you click the construction sign you can expand it

[dreamy blade]

there should be a construction zone looking thing on the outer edges that you click

[rigid onyx]

what spreadsheet is this from

[barren tapir]

anchorage very tanky she survived well on harby at lvl113 it was a revelation

[cobalt rapids]

CN

[barren barn]

Should i buy second floor

[cobalt rapids]

check /gems in #bot-spam

[barren barn]

Ty

[dreamy blade]

my dev25 lv80 ancho was tankier than my random lv100 hms vanguards i was raising

[turbid dawn]

Do you guys think Kron would be a better pick for mob fleeting in OpSi over Watarse, I'm not sure, she seems tanky enough and seems to do quite a bit of dmg still? (Ignore the fact Sushi got melted by taking every single plane to the face and fell over)

[barren tapir]

[dreamy blade]

well wata has much better aa than kron if thats a regular issue

[cobalt rapids]

a damage dealing rainbow would be better over both

[stark quiver]

dalao made sheet
somethint from dfg

[barren tapir]

i see uvh

[turbid dawn]

The only UR VGs not in use are Drake, Kron, Azuma and Poi

[barren tapir]

also what boss is that anyway?

[sweet delta]

abyssal CV

[cobalt rapids]

where unzen ply and z52

[turbid dawn]

Z52 ain't levelled, Ply is in BB fleet, Unzen is in anti-heavy CV fleet

[barren tapir]

stronghold cv planes are near unkillable, how's abyssal?

[dreamy blade]

watarase strong with sushi flag

[sweet delta]

they're drones

[barren tapir]

or just 2 fleet the abyssal tbh and dont worry about it

[turbid dawn]

Its not about the abyssal more just if Wata is worth it tbh

[undone plover]

if u are fighting abyssal with mob fleet u need rainbow spam
and UvH not ideal
maybe put alsace instead

[stark quiver]

why force wata when you can bring a UR

[barren tapir]

well i see she did decent damage and your other options are on different fleets as youve said so.

[turbid dawn]

U can see abovee which URs I have left- Azuma, Poi, Kron and Drake

[barren tapir]

level z52 and replace her then

[dreamy blade]

i would definitely rather use wata than any of those 4

[storm heron]

how is that annhilated mikasa gun musashi or smth?

[turbid dawn]

No, she's PvP geared

[barren tapir]

musashi got killed by planes apparently

[storm heron]

ah yes wnt mikasa gun

[turbid dawn]

Yeah planes killed her in like 35s

[barren tapir]

is it normal for hinden to outdamage ur bbs

[cobalt rapids]

when u got gear like that yea

[dreamy blade]

blue ijn gun you really went all in on watarase lol

[undone plover]

that is best for pvp

[turbid dawn]

No it's just PvP gear, cba to switch it

[dreamy blade]

ah

[barren tapir]

pvp gear issue but also if your fleet is doing 1m damage in 35 seconds you're doing alright

[storm heron]

that unicorn kinda low, idk

[undone plover]

well I am a bit confused why mob is fighting abyssals
cuz if u want an omni fleet u want to put your best ships in that fleet no?

[dreamy blade]

is I-168 a decent sub if i only have 1 other gold sub (ldv)

[barren tapir]

my pink fleet can 1 fleet weaker abyssals

[wanton dawn]

do we know the rates of rare loot for a lvl 30 gold cat?

[undone plover]

and might as well go triple CV so u dont need to worry about pvp gear

[storm heron]

maybe it's just the case that the fleet is good but not for single fight based, brest heals a lot but not so optimal single

[barren tapir]

just use one superfleet if you wanna 1fleet everything. that is not a superfleet

[turbid dawn]

Which CV fleet better for general use for abyssals then? Becasue one is anti-heavy the other anti-med and i cba switching gear all the time

Wrong reply oops

[barren tapir]

i mean it was a medium boss so throw the antimed at it?

[storm heron]

what do you say about building omni fleet + 18 xfleet and only switch when harbying

[dreamy blade]

why have different fleets for different armor types if youre not going to switch based on the armor type

[turbid dawn]

Just for harbiter, right?

[barren tapir]

i run omnifleet + 2 backup "boss" (read: leftovers) fleets + c1 fleet

[dreamy blade]

ah

probably just use the anti-heavy for abyssals then

[undone plover]

iirc that is what some ppl do
just not sure what they use
I am curious myself

[stark quiver]

I use my cv fleet for everything

[barren tapir]

there are 18 xfleets

[rigid onyx]

isn't the time you save by doing an Omni fleet lost just in mob fight times compared to a dedicated fast mob fleet

[barren tapir]

it's not a time save but a convenience one

[storm heron]

debatable

[turbid dawn]

Why thats kinda why I went with the fleet I did, Uni, Sushi with PvP gear and UVH all shoot fast but at different times so clear mobs real fast

[barren tapir]

(also for me, my omni fleet is also my fastest mob fleet until i max aquila anyway)

[rigid onyx]

battleships are slow for irl time compared to cvs

[undone plover]

go soyuz nakhimov unicorn, napoli, unzen, plymouth
that should kill most things
and works for a lot of armor types

or u can do normal mob fleet and fight bosses with boss fleets
up to you

[turbid dawn]

Actually while I'm here, what is the difference between Napoli+Brest? Isn't Napoli just an upgraded version of her in nearly everyway?

[storm heron]

napoli to guam for more damage

[cobalt rapids]

brest should be slightly more dmgier
napoli is tankier

[turbid dawn]

There's nothing in the game that really requires Napolis tankiness though right so she's not really that good rn?

[undone plover]

repulse meta I believe

[turbid dawn]

As far as UR VG anyway

[forest palm]

that can be applied to just about every tank you're not using

it's a bit of a silly statement

[sweet delta]

it's just variety is a spice of life, you can use eldridge but you could use napoli instead~~, even though eldridge is better~~

[undone plover]

she is good
just because she is overkill on tankiness doesnt make her bad but yeah if u have stuff like agir and guam then she is not exactly filling a niche that doesnt exist

[ashen crow]

Who’s better, Richelieu or kgv?

[forest palm]

Richie

[dreamy blade]

[forest palm]

Japanese subs are shit

[undone plover]

u96 in medal shop and u37 in merit shop are "easy" to get
then u can pray for u81 from gacha rolls and u have a top sub fleet

[rigid onyx]

can you send a link or smth

[dreamy blade]

are they really bad without a full wolfpack or could i just use ldv as the 3rd

[undone plover]

could use for now till u get the last one
any sub fleet is better than no sub fleet if u are challenging later chapters and hard arbiter

It's just that raising subs is
so not worth investing in average options
just get the premium

[storm heron]

ldv is great gold sub, no friends but still great

[forest palm]

LDV works as a 3rd

[barren barn]

Should i buy all dorm slot

[dreamy blade]

thats why i'd like to use ldv bc shes 120 and it's such a pain leveling subs

[barren barn]

Not the last one

1.2k is too much

[undone plover]

3 slots on first floor total and buying 2nd floor is recommended stopping point for f2p

[ashen crow]

What do I buy with gems as a f2p?

[dreamy blade]

2nd floor of dorm + dock space

[barren barn]

Bruh i bought 4th slot

[forest palm]

there's a whole command dedicated to this...

[dreamy blade]

not the worst use of your gems tbh

[willow crag]

how much stamina does d3 with the double thing eat? Mob fleet

[barren barn]

Now i should just buy dock space

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message
no link but from this convo

[undone plover]

28 if u use one fleet
24 if u use boss fleet

[dreamy blade]

d3 costs 800ish without subs for 3x clears and no HELP (with a full fleet)

[willow crag]

4 per battle?

[undone plover]

2 per battle
so 4 per HELP battle

[dreamy blade]

oh morale not oil

[willow crag]

oh ok ok

[storm heron]

cmon get your D3 morale math up, having hundreds of hvar runs in about a week

[violet oracle]

Do I aim to MLB Fritz or Z52 first?

[storm heron]

very hot topic. Send UR list to confirm

[dreamy blade]

depends what you have/need

[violet oracle]

Ultra, not max level

[undone plover]

fritz + ykii (rerun soon) will give u a good medium/light armor CV fleet
z52 will give a great overall vanguard
unzen will give u a great dps vanguard
depends what your goals are

[formal thicket]

Hello, is it worth to keep to different copies of the same character and use bulins for limit break ? or should i just use the dupe character to limit break ?

[storm heron]

I would do z52 since it doesn't seem you have very good vanguard pool options for high campaign or meta showdown

[soft raft]

Overall probably something like Fritz == York2 > Z52 > Unzen > Shimakaze > Kronshtadt

[soft raft]

There is no pratical justification for raising dupes regardless of rarity

[formal thicket]

okay thank you very much

[cobalt rapids]

use for limit break
unless ure very rich on bulins
theres some use for dupes but very very niche

[undone plover]

tbh shimakaze and kron should not be even considered for UR bulin usage

[formal thicket]

alright thanks !

[storm heron]

z52 > unzen > ykII > fritz (yes I hate heavy objects)

[elfin hollow]

What is the german sub fleet

[viscid swift]

care do explain?

[cobalt rapids]

96 81 and 1 of 47/37

[storm heron]

well I don't have the last two and I can live just fine

[viscid swift]

some flawed logic to say the least

[undone plover]

I dont necessarily disagree with your recommendation
but your reason for recommending it is not the best

[cobalt rapids]

u can live just fine without the first two aswell

[storm heron]

z52 > ytII > unzen > fritz?

[undone plover]

they have strong backliners
so investing in vanguard is fine
esp sth as good as z52
moreso if they are tackling sth like ch15 soon
so like I said depends on their goal

[cobalt rapids]

unzen doesnt take prio over the first the carriers
idk what goals are there for her to take prio over them
fritz should be > yk2
z52 <> fritz is debatable

[storm heron]

ender said yk2 > fritz

[undone plover]

meta heavy boss one shots

[elfin hollow]

Can i see the U-37-47 my wifi is poor rn so I can’t search anything up

[sweet delta]

how do you know what URs they have? they excluded max level URs from the screenshot

[undone plover]

I didnt even know that is a thing

[violet oracle]

that is a detail i have not mentioned

[elfin hollow]

Is fritz better or worse compared to amagi CV

[cobalt rapids]

better in some content worse in other

[viscid swift]

so what URs do you have maxed then besides Yorktown 2

[elfin hollow]

Whats the current meta sub fleet

[violet oracle]

Here's everyone

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

hmmm well that was an interesting test of this group's reading abilities which everyone besides suchi failed

[undone plover]

some of us failed the filter knowledge check

[viscid swift]

alright next question then, can you get anymore UR bullins besides the 3 you have

no, literally just failed to read

[violet oracle]

yeah, im at 3700 points to my next one from the shop, and I can get one because of the returning commander event

[storm heron]

to be fair I'm on transit

[viscid swift]

alright, are you planning to tackle W15 anytime soon then

[storm heron]

and typing with one thumb

[violet oracle]

in the nearish future, yes

[viscid swift]

do you have Shimanto Dev 30, Aquila and/or Volga

[violet oracle]

I've got Aquila and Volga, dont have shimanto

[viscid swift]

Z52 then next, especially since you're lacking Guam

[violet oracle]

it's an actual tragedy that I misse dher

I figured that would be next, my vanguard options are lacking

[storm heron]

.

[viscid swift]

well you weren't wrong but the fact you missed such a crucial detail and some of your other reasoning was frankly just awful

[white agate]

and impla here would be above fritz, right?

[storm heron]

ofc

she's tier EX for many reasons

[worldly pewter]

imagine not having implacable mlb a core ship that got released 2 years ago

[white agate]

also much better versatility i guess

[storm heron]

whoops

hopefully nobody saw that

[violet oracle]

This channel hosts so much redditor energy. Anyways, Z52 -> implacable -> fritz?

[viscid swift]

"imagine not EoS"

[soft raft]

Well have you considered the highly likely possibility that people got into the game after her initial run

[storm heron]

Oh no cheeky saw that

[viscid swift]

you already have a MLB Implacable....

[storm heron]

pretty sure reddit is pretty firendly

[violet oracle]

oh, well would you look at that... i do. I dont use her very often

[viscid swift]

you should max her, she would compliment Shinano and Hakuryu very nicely

[worldly pewter]

friendly reddit such a nice oxymoron

[sinful elk]

Chat i have amagi/shinano but not implacable is there any other option?

[storm heron]

maybe bias since I see more arguments here or on the neighbor than in reddit

[white agate]

avp probably i guess?

[worldly pewter]

cope slows

avp is 🚮

[stark quiver]

avp and ark royal are your best options
that said, implac rerun soon™️

[storm heron]

nakhimov and 1 np, avp for medium, ark royal, stacking to 80% slows like nakh + eld or ark + eld

[worldly pewter]

yeah ark royal eld are the best options now

[storm heron]

eld retro*

[viscid swift]

uhhh what

[sinful elk]

Nah i might just go avp,,,, got enough tech and 200bps

[viscid swift]

the amount of hot takes today is just

[elfin hollow]

How should enterprise york town and avp gear should look like specializing light/medium armor bosses

[storm heron]

something something king abdou statement

[soft raft]

dwag what
she was the best option for freeze utility prio to Implacable and only got more consistent with her FS5

Are you alright man?

[barren tapir]

are we being spicy?

[viscid swift]

how many HVARs and Skyraiders

[worldly pewter]

i was speaking from the meta perspective
sry boys

[viscid swift]

still makes no sense

[soft raft]

This is what I have saved

[storm heron]

see I told u reddit's azurstarshine or nicespize isn't even arguing

[barren tapir]

avp is literally the meta stop/slow if you dont have implac, shes literally #2 wtf you smoking????

actually nakh + NP may be #2 idk lol but either way shes the most easily accessible stop

[worldly pewter]

avp is one of the worst ships to use with haku and nano against heavy armor which these 2 can take care of very well

[storm heron]

nakh + np no 2 I think since d25 nakh already surpassed avp sc: Ender

[barren tapir]

idk about yall but my soul leaves my body when i see 100% of amagi's torps miss the meta boss

[worldly pewter]

personally i try to use BBs against heavy armor
i used avp in the past she is just so bad

[elfin hollow]

One skyraider and 0 HVARS

[barren tapir]

is there any evidence that avp is bad

[viscid swift]

she's far from the worse even in that regard, yes Ark Royal would be preferable against heavy but that fleet isn't solely good for heavy armor is it

[worldly pewter]

my thread that got nuked

[barren tapir]

or is this your waifu antibias

[soft raft]

even if Ark Royal technically has a better plane setup for anti-heavy, she still has to screw over her damage to sync

And sure AvP isnt really built for anti-heavy but I'd take the freeze over Ark's slow any day

[violet oracle]

I use formidable for slows...

[storm heron]

me using the forbidden 80% slow

[undone plover]

AvP has 2 TB planes
She is certainly not the best vs heavy but worse options exist

[viscid swift]

yeah you've been gimping yourself for years

[barren tapir]

.

ill take a guaranteed stop tyvm

[cobalt rapids]

avp guaranteed freeze does not always translate into a higher team contribution

[storm heron]

taihou need 80%, sagittarius need freeze, magato need 1 freeze/80% slow,

[barren tapir]

not always, but that means sometimes

so she isnt bad by any means

[cobalt rapids]

yes shes not bad
when shes good shes ok

[worldly pewter]

yeah i was just speaking from the best case scenario to what to bring against
which i think both light and med have their own comp
i still use haku nano avp against med and light but that is because me poor pleb

[coarse heron]

I don’t know about you but my Amagi does a lot more damage when her torpedos don’t miss

[tame jungle]

really?

[cobalt rapids]

ok ?

[barren tapir]

idk about yall but i'd take lower peak damage to ensure guaranteed consistency as long as the diff isnt huge, and idk about yall but i dont have implacable

[viscid swift]

they literally don't have the best, ie. Implacable, so we're not even talking about the absolute best anyway

[storm heron]

renhex is correct. since not all boss need freeze

[coarse heron]

id rather have a high chance of torpedos missing
That is literally what you’re saying

[barren tapir]

so from my perspective avp is a great ship. maybe she's trash to endgamers but 99% of players are not endgamers

[undone plover]

The best argument for this is early on ppl use BB for light armor and medium
So even in her best niche AvP is kind of gimped by having her best light armor team mates and gear locked behind an event
I suppose fritz is decent tho in that regard

[cobalt rapids]

no im not

[coarse heron]

Yeah and you shouldn’t use the same fleet for every fight

There are some fights where a guaranteed freeze is definitely needed

[barren tapir]

i just think 'avp bad' is an incredibly cringe take that deserves a warning

[viscid swift]

literally one of the best fleets for Nagato was Nakihmov and Eldridge stacking slows

[coarse heron]

It’s some “Sirius is bad because her damage is low” tier shit

[soft raft]

it's definetly way too much of a generalization that's for sure
but i've seen much more cursed takes than that

[barren tapir]

fair, i am just traumatized by seeing amagi lose 75% of her potential damage every other launch

[viscid swift]

yes, sometimes you want a freeze but that is not always the case especially when the stop costs you significant amounts of potential damage like AvP against heavy armor

[cobalt rapids]

exactly

[barren tapir]

daily reminder then that niche =/= bad

[cobalt rapids]

im traumatized by people who overestimate avps freeze on the other hand

[barren tapir]

also it was this chat that recommended me amagi shinano avp lol

[cobalt rapids]

my point is that cheeky already explained cleary is that avp is not an auto slot in any cv team even if the boss moves

[viscid swift]

specifically against heavy armor AvP is not ideal

[cobalt rapids]

implacable is not compareable to avp because her own dmg contribution is much higher

[barren tapir]

right but i didnt say shes an auto slot, i was arguing she is not bad

[viscid swift]

but I'm 99% certain that was for an OpSi boss fleet so that was intended not just for heavy armor

[storm heron]

boss can move slowly like maihou where you only need 80% to reach 100% geomacc

[sweet delta]

Yes Azur reddit is very friendly ||and wrong/useless for actual gameplay||

[storm heron]

time to show my 38.3% chance one shot and show all torp connected to renhex

[barren tapir]

the original person said avp is trash and justified it by "meta perspective"

which imo is just wrong so i respond in kind shes not the best option but she is very useful in certain situations and calling her trash feels like a really 2 brain celled take

[storm heron]

if you deserve a warn for a sentence or hot take, then I am probably joining with my other account

[barren tapir]

not everyone has impla or eld retro or even other high damage ships for heavy. you can argue ark and that's fair, but then that still doesnt make avp bad

[viscid swift]

there's multiple different arguments getting crossed here

[storm heron]

I think no one but one is saying "avp trash"

[barren tapir]

yeah that's my bad lol definitely too extreme, i was just kinda very wtfed out

[viscid swift]

no one besides the person who made that take is

[storm heron]

some people said "avp can be trash"

or do they :bagathonk:

[barren tapir]

actually only 1

[undone plover]

Oh yeah I meant planes not slots my bad

Wait she is 3

[storm heron]

3 lol

[barren tapir]

then she has 3

[undone plover]

I must be misremembering stuff

[storm heron]

2 3 3 for avp

with high eff fighter and low eff db

[barren tapir]

but yeah avp main use id guess is for fast moving boss when you dont have relevant slows (or slow not enough). she has her niche and therefore isnt bad to me

[undone plover]

Her stop is also too tight
I have seen my torpedos miss at times if the boss is too far off to one corner
But that could be my mistake not sure if other ppl have had that happen

[barren tapir]

you have a total of 4s from when she launches, so maybe making her launch slightly later would help

[cobalt rapids]

yea if the boss is corner hugging and ure using the slower tbs they can reach the boss when they unfroze alr

[undone plover]

Problem is compared to implacable the stopped enemy takes off fast since no longer debuffed
Whereas implacable slows after the stop as well

[sweet delta]

Is this the part where we repeat the litter message but with vit2

[storm heron]

nah, torp takes 4s

[cobalt rapids]

4s after her launch
the cv after her will launch at least 0.5s later so the ordnance needs to reach the boss within 3.5s
which some tbs may not make it if the boss is far

[rigid onyx]

rather have ships with a niche than ships that are outclassed in all use cases (Perseus)

[undone plover]

Was neko stop similar to avp or implacable?

[cobalt rapids]

more similar to avp

but one extra second of freeze but the extra 1s is before so boss will unfreeze after 4s aswell

technically implac is also unfreeze after 4s but its gradual restore

[sweet delta]

Freeze doesn't exist, only Stun does

[storm heron]

bro so laggy

I was meant to say that to aurora

[sweet delta]

Vit2 torps generally reach the boss about 1s after saiun torps do from the same airstrike

[storm heron]

might be unrelated, but do gph people meet up and celebrate new year together?

[stark quiver]

considering many live across the world from each other no

[sweet delta]

Tell me your address and then I'll consider it

[tame jungle]

i'm coming

[crisp raven]

the recent avp discussion wasnt enough gph new years celebrating for you?

[barren tapir]

[night totem]

Hello, at what Dr is Plymouth useable?

[stark quiver]

25ish

[eager mulch]

[tough shuttle]

DO I lose alot of commander XP if I only have 5 ships in team?

[cobalt rapids]

1/6

[narrow ridge]

Is she good

[viscid swift]

not really

[night totem]

Ok so i missed the eldridge retrofit event... Idk when that happened but I wasn't playing, is retrofit eldridge any good?

[eternal moth]

Is D3 better coins per oil than 9-1?

[viscid swift]

yes

[night totem]

What does she do

[eternal moth]

She tanks and slows

[cobalt rapids]

alot of things

[undone plover]

D3 is on par with 9-4
both 5.2/oil

[white agate]

once ypu get to i think level 100 cl is useless anyway, also if stage has no oil cap nothing changes since you use less oil per exp

[stark quiver]

vanguard defense, 60% enemy slow, free +10 hedgehog

[eternal moth]

Thanks

[tough shuttle]

I am at world 6 🙂

[white agate]

then 2nd part i guess

[night totem]

I see... Well ig I'll have to hope she gets Yuudachi treatment and her retrofit mat comes back, ty all for answering

[eternal moth]

It'll come back, we just don't know when

[viscid swift]

it will in due time

probably reruns during the next EN Anni

[violet oracle]

alright lets say hypothetically I could count my oil supply on my hands, should I use oil reserves or pull from storage?

[burnt bramble]

save storage for a rainy day. Especially for rolling.

[viscid swift]

I would not pull oil from storage except for when it's absolutely necessary

[eternal moth]

YT2's event is a great time to use storage oil, as it has a drop plane that's really good.

[rigid onyx]

approximately how much oil***would it be to farm ~15k more event points in d3

[eternal moth]

AP?

[viscid swift]

you mean oil?

[rigid onyx]

yh

[viscid swift]

well depends on which map and how much oil you use but assuming full fleet D3 farming

[barren tapir]

22250 oil full fleet

[viscid swift]

22480 oil

[undone plover]

22k for D3 only
but u also get around 6000 tokens from the last 2 days if u do 3x maps and SP and missions so 13.5k oil needed for that

[barren tapir]

oh yeah mine is a 0.333 run so cheeky is correct xd

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind that there's still 2 says left so a bit over 2k worth from missions still and daily normal first clear bonus

[rigid onyx]

Are there 2 days or 1 day of the daily missions left excluding today

[viscid swift]

2

[eternal moth]

56 hours

[versed dagger]

game is stuck on intro screen saying "update complete. loading game"

[viscid swift]

but for refference if you were to farm that same amount low costing in B3 it would only cost you 6392 oil

[eternal moth]

Could be a network issue, how long has it been there?

[rigid onyx]

What is the 1:1 fleet meta? double ddg & stack crossfleets in boss?

[viscid swift]

for B3? 0 limit break Ranger and 0 limit break cassin or downes

with appropriate cross-fleet support

[tough shuttle]

What is "crossfleet"?

[eternal moth]

/crossfleet

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Cross-fleet_Effects.jpeg

[versed dagger]

since like an hour or two ago

[eternal moth]

Close the game and reopen it then. If that doesn't work, check to see if there is an update in your play store.

[versed dagger]

Already did both, still happening

[eternal moth]

Is this a new phone you're installing for the first time?

[versed dagger]

No

[eternal moth]

I guess try clearing cache and re-install if that doesn't work.

[versed dagger]

I cleared cache

[tough shuttle]

@versed dagger Is it a network it has worked on before? Some networks block certain traffic. Do you have at least some space left on the device? Could be issue with zero paging space

[versed dagger]

It's the same wifi i've been using since always and i have plenty of space

[eternal moth]

If you're on wifi, turn it off and try using cell network

[versed dagger]

oh well, time to reinstall the game

[clever lance]

Why is Eldridge ranked t4 but then S for every mode

[valid apex]

try using mobile data first to check if the prob is the wifi->server wise

[versed dagger]

already did, still the same

[valid apex]

same ISP as wifi?

[versed dagger]

idk

[storm heron]

they haven't updated the T4 thing

also they value eldridge a bit low cause they apparently aren't considering high vanguard pressure content idk why tbh nvm

[valid apex]

how do you not know your ISP? if same, then prob wont change much since they uses same connection to server. you got to use vpn or something to check in this case

[barren tapir]

they updated their prelims, eld is now t0 support

can argue she shud be TEX support but idk t0 probably fine tbh

[storm heron]

idk, I would say eld TeX support

[jade heart]

if we apply a buff on a cv/bb, after their attack is launched but before it lands; will the buff still apply?

[barren tapir]

i would too, but t0 i can see. t1 was the real wtf

[storm heron]

buff? yes it applies

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind ECTL does tend to be conservative with their preliminaries

[storm heron]

pretty sure damage bonus on entity like planes or launched salvo snapshots

[soft raft]

Also keep in mind that currently it's only her pre-retro state that's visible on ECTL

in which case yes Id generally agree that pre-retro Eldridge is T4

[storm heron]

you know what not snapshot? things like enemy debuff

hopefully right since I use some genshin knowledge

[clever lance]

Would you say Eldridge retrofitted is t0 or ex?

[barren tapir]

momos plants snapshotting rudder passive is smth ill always find hilarious

[storm heron]

yeah cause it's entity

[barren tapir]

id consider her t0 general or tex support