gameplay-help

[tropic tusk]

the answer should be no as hood do more then bis

[sharp socket]

if you want to we cant stop you, though hood is better

[left cedar]

Hood is better
but Bismarck it will be enough to reach W12 with less effectivness since no barrage and problematic Aux gun(she have one but is better say that she dont)

also remember that any Ship without MLB is shitty, so if ur Bis isnt MLB and ur Hood is, keep with hood cuz ur Bis it will be a problem cuz low dmg

[narrow ridge]

What is MLB?

[late flame]

max limit break

[left cedar]

Max Limit Break (max number of star)

[narrow ridge]

Okkkkay

Thank you

[storm heron]

[inner delta]

she's like do everything

strong barrage and have a lot of util

[rapid grail]

think DD version of Scylla, but the DD's stats are all top-tier and can also sustain herself

and she also has flagship cover

[storm heron]

kinda

they kinda cover the same role except laffii can tank better but z52 can dish out more damage

[crimson glacier]

i believe she is the best DD unless you need laffeys tankiness

[plain saffron]

I'll try, or someone did it already?

[atomic abyss]

Lars did already

[boreal wagon]

[atomic abyss]

Mogador never had the same role as them

Laffey2 was better for general use up till this point already

[plain saffron]

[atomic abyss]

And mog still has one of the best vanguard DPS

Btw I made this

/hardmode

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460648604974055424/1322138175426269215/image0.png

[atomic abyss]

Since it's probably gonna get asked for a few more events

[boreal wagon]

assuming they dont change their mind again

[plain saffron]

Hi how do i change to A stages

[sinful escarp]

how big is the difference between "safe" and "low" threat levels?

[crimson glacier]

very big

[soft dagger]

20% dmgred and enemy level -10
not as in literally but idk the words

artificially

[plain saffron]

Also dmg red depends on stages

[soft dagger]

oh yea that too, on that map max threat

[nocturne glade]

is it ok to manual D3 until it hits safe so I can maybe auto it?

[crimson glacier]

its ok if its ok to you

[nocturne glade]

great, ty!

[dawn ledge]

which one should i do for fritz

[atomic abyss]

Scepter almost always

You can use hunting bow if your aim is for her to shoot planes

[dawn ledge]

ok thanks as always ender

[ashen crow]

Should I put San Diego in my mob or boss fleet?

[elfin hollow]

chat what's the fastest way to grind 200 affinity for a carrier

if there is one. I know about 1.1 but that doesn't work with carriers

[tropic tusk]

12-1&4

[atomic abyss]

Usually mob
Unless it's like 13-4 or sth

[elfin hollow]

what's a good CL carry for boss then in w15

after years I finally decided to clear w15, on 2/4 right now and it seems easy tbh, unless 3 and 4 are exponentially harder this seems like it's gonna be a walk in the park

What I use atm: Mob: Perseus, bis2, rumey, ägir, z52, ply. For boss: NJ, unicorn, york2, Guam, laffey 2 and sandy

[atomic abyss]

Where's Shimanto?

And 3 and 4 are exponentially harder

Subs return

3 has 2 bosses
4 has 3 bosses

[elfin hollow]

So ply switch for shimanto?

[atomic abyss]

Your mob fleet is gonna die

[elfin hollow]

Oh shit, alright gotta make some adjustments then

[atomic abyss]

Not enough healing

[elfin hollow]

How? I got 3 healers

[atomic abyss]

Your mob fleet has a single healer

[sharp socket]

oh wait its not boss and mob

[elfin hollow]

2

Z52 also heals, Percy as well

[atomic abyss]

Z52 heal is cope and is just supplementary

[sharp socket]

switch your mob and boss and it looks ok actually

[elfin hollow]

Let's goooo

[atomic abyss]

Perseus heal is just ouright worse than unicorn

[elfin hollow]

Imma try it soon and see how it goes. But alright what's a good healer then

[sharp socket]

unicorn aquila

[atomic abyss]

What you should do, is put unicorn and Aquila/Volga/Zuihou together on mob

[sharp socket]

volga and zuihou also

[elfin hollow]

I got unicorn In boss fleet, but yeah I got Aquila maxed so imma put her too

[atomic abyss]

Uni never in boss

[elfin hollow]

Alright, I feel like I switched my fleets and use mobbing fleet for bossing and boss fleet for mobbing lmao

[sharp socket]

just drop percy for aquila and its probably fine

[atomic abyss]

Also where's Musashi?

[elfin hollow]

Sure

[elfin hollow]

In my dock maxed out, she good for w15? I thought NJ is better cuz huge AA

[atomic abyss]

Musashi is literally the best BB for campaign

Because she absorbs hits from your backline

[elfin hollow]

Nice, do I keep the purple gun for her or

[sharp socket]

also you have z52 and rumey already skilled, mlb and 125?

[elfin hollow]

Yes

Well skills 10/10/8

[sharp socket]

probably still ok, give it a day or 2 if you want to be at the best

also yea musashi over NJ on mob

[elfin hollow]

Alright can you give me like the best mob and boss fleet for w15 then. I got all gear and ships needed, I just don't know how to make a good mob/boss fleet that works for it

[elfin hollow]

noted

[atomic abyss]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[elfin hollow]

thank you sir

[plucky cloud]

For the development level 30 things, is it recommended to get the PR shipgirls to Dev Level 30, and then focus on the UR shipgirls like Ägir? Because I feel like getting the UR blueprints takes way too long right now

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[plucky cloud]

It's fine to ignore the Fate Simulation for PR ones, or do you have to do that too before you can exchange their Blueprints for the Prototype Core items in the store?

[atomic abyss]

Go for fate sim
Because once you complete the ship entirely, their face researches stop appearing
Increasing the odds of the ones you havent completed to appear

You can start exchanging at Dev 30 tho, yes

[plucky cloud]

Ah, this will take some time... But alright, the PR blueprints aren't the worst of the bunch to obtain. Most PR units I don't really need to focus on myself, but it's good to know the prints can be exchanged at Dev Level 30

[tropic tusk]

Research itselfs does take time so no rush

[sinful escarp]

fleet that cleared w15 is enough to auto farm on w14 right?

[plucky cloud]

Fair, the worst thing for me when it comes to that is balancing Coins and Oil cost when farming for said Coins. Usually for the PR girls like Frederich de Grobe, I use the free enhancement per day

Thank you and Ender for the advice, I appreciate it greatly

[glossy granite]

When should you make a 2nd fleet?

[weary gust]

W9-W10, when you get to stages that have oil cap and you can reasonably grind for exp.

[slim anvil]

its worth to throw away blue tier gear ?

[wary hawk]

The majority yes, with a few exceptions

[slim anvil]

okok thanks

[vast sparrow]

how gud was my day one back then

[atomic abyss]

With the exception of Kimberly meta

[vast sparrow]

fleet*

[atomic abyss]

Good

Though I'm guessing Soyuz isn't max star in the pic

And the arrangement is totally wrong

[vast sparrow]

yes cuz this was my first fleet

BBack when first started, but all my UR is mlb today

[sinful escarp]

he meant the arrangement, as in who the flag is and the main tank

[vast sparrow]

ik

[sinful escarp]

you can change the arrangement of them with this

[tropic tusk]

The man did say it's a day 1 thing ,by now he should be better

[vast sparrow]

im lvl105 now

[fast steppe]

worth or no

[sinful escarp]

is it safe to scrap these?

[vast sparrow]

why u have so much CN planes lol

[sinful escarp]

i honestly dont know... they never appeared when i pressed dismantle before. they just appeared when i sorted miscellaneous

[storm heron]

don't waste your time with this

[fast steppe]

well shit already started it

[storm heron]

you can get it at the side while doing other rigging analysis

like you will get 60 of them at least the moment you can get 50 rainbow bps

[kind slate]

Where can i see all available interactions in private quarters? And also it’s a permanent feature right? Nothing to miss?

[fast steppe]

anyway

[storm heron]

well you shouldn't have trusted someone joining in 2024

[fast steppe]

when levelling skills how do yall normally fill out the last 500 xp

[storm heron]

blue books

[fast steppe]

is it any worth using gold ones and stopping early to save time

i've got a lot of them but idk how long they'll last

[storm heron]

ehhh idk tbh about canceling

I like syncing all my books so I don't have to check in every single time

[ivory pawn]

Sounds like a waste of exp. Just use 2 of the smallest for max efficiency or 1 of the 4 hr for laziness.

[storm heron]

1 4 hour is 450

also why do you want to save time

[fast steppe]

got a lot of skills to level

[ivory pawn]

Right. Use a 4h and a 2h then.

[storm heron]

it's not like you need em skills though... might as well just stop at 8 to raise other skills to 6 or something

[fast steppe]

that's what i normally do but just wondered if i could save time

[storm heron]

imo not worth bothering

[fast steppe]

do we normally end up with net gain or loss of books anyway

[storm heron]

but your call though, not that much of a improvement or detriment anyways

it's just 9-10 like once in a, idk, 14 gold books cycle?

[fast steppe]

hmm

[ivory pawn]

6h (can even drop to like 4.6h) vs 3h. I don’t think it’s worth the book, especially if its a red book.

[storm heron]

net gain btw if you only have 2 training slot

[novel solstice]

Depends on how many academy slots you have and how fast you start a new book before the last one ends and whether you buy books.

I have three academy slots. I also buy the skill books from opsi voucher shop and from the coin shop. I find that using only 8-hr skill books, (and saving the 12-hr ones for the instant-complete-events) I occasionally get low enough that I have to crunch some four-hour books into 8-hour books, but I've never run out of books.

[storm heron]

I have four academy slots, and I am always in deficit if I upcraft

[fast steppe]

only got 2

[storm heron]

I prioritize oil over gold book comission too

[fast steppe]

didn't realise 3 was only 500 might get that then

[storm heron]

nah idk man they say it's not worth it

[novel solstice]

I don't think the third academy slot is worth it if you are f2p. More dock, more dock, more dock...

If you spend real money on gems, it might be good to have.

[undone plover]

Dont get it if u are f2p

[storm heron]

I have 500 gems income each month that was why I considered the 4th, but even so I kinda regret it cause now I literally have more skills maxed than ships

[novel solstice]

(it was better back before they added the periodic instant-finish-book events; you can use those to catch up)

[fast steppe]

ic

[frank pulsar]

like what tiamat said, ever since instant book events started i never used my third slot much

[spare mango]

Is this skill works with akagi muse?

[frank pulsar]

im pretty sure it doesnt...?
(any lurker can confirm?)

[cobalt rapids]

works with akagi muse

[spare mango]

Thx for answering

[little yoke]

For rumey aux slot, should i just slot in AA or sub gun better?

[storm heron]

STAAG is better at single target bossing or conditions where the CL gun simply can't hit

[torn latch]

Rumey great in w15?

[raven canyon]

is duisburg good? since shes one of the few german CL

[torn latch]

Or is she good in late game campaign map even?

[rapid grail]

yes, in the support cv fleet. she has the most fighters by far, 8 fighters. compared to her UR peers nakhimov, implacable and SR peers such as the lusty class CVs (6 fighters). unironically the best choice there

[torn latch]

Rumey is better in support fleet than implacable, or indomitable? For w15

[rapid grail]

yes, see the reasoning

[torn latch]

Who I should replace there

[rapid grail]

use rumey - implac - indomie

[torn latch]

I guess I can retire lusty muse now

[cobalt rapids]

great as the other S rank dmg cvs like cat and yk2 for boss

[fast steppe]

whose spreadsheet is this

[torn latch]

What is the bot command for w15 guide? I forgot

[cobalt rapids]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=803392514#gid=803392514 suchiguma's

[fast steppe]

thanks

[cobalt rapids]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[spare mango]

How to timing nakh with soy?

[torn latch]

Ty

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ use this to play with their loadout till they are close enough within each other

[storm heron]

hint: reload tech manipulation

[hollow quartz]

Is laffey's agument worth it?

[ionic comet]

What's the best way to make good fleets

[tropic tusk]

if im not wrong all charater's personal augment is worth it, since they are the only one that can use it

[wind hazel]

if she's just transitional ship on your fleet, i wouldn't make it

[sharp wave]

Anyone know a video to learn the basic for Azur lane cause I’m level 80 but I don’t really know how the game works cause I mostly got it for the hot women so I understand very little about it I first I just used women I thought looked the best but that isn’t working anymore

[wind hazel]

especially for a vanguard ship that hardly make or break the fleet

[shadow moat]

Well I haven't been here in a hot minute but here goes...
A-ahem.

Returned after a long time away. Giving my setups a once-over.
Exactly how much of a sacrifice is 86ing the Intercept on a carrier?

[wind hazel]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/ use this instead, video is unreliable as most tend to be outdated, or downright misleading

[novel solstice]

If you don't mind some reading, run the slash guide command in bot-spam.
All of the youtube videos I'm aware of kinda suck.

[wary hawk]

It really depends on the content youre doing, but intercepts are usually very valuable

[novel solstice]

Depends on the map. If you're in the plane-hell levels, you want a lot of good intercept. If you're in a map with primarily battleship enemies and no enemy support planes, it's irrelevant.

[sharp wave]

Okay thank y’all

[novel solstice]

Even in the plane-hell levels though, you want your carriers to use fighters with good surface damage too -- we call a certain fighter the messershit, because you should almost never be sacrificing bombs for anti-air damage; the best way to not let enemy aircraft hurt you is usually to blow up the enemy carriers before they can launch.

[shadow moat]

I see. Thanks for the responses.
And yes, I'm aware you want surface damage as well - which brings me around to the original debicle.

Contextually: I'm fiddling with the idea of a Skyraider/Tenrai/Bf-109G loadout for Graf Zeppelin.

Sensibly, doing Sea Hornet/Tenrai/Ju-87D should be more than sufficient for good output.
The premise here was simply "maxing out her higher efficiency slots is best" and since it's kinda hard to quantify the output of a converging torp bomber compared against a divebomber (it's apples to oranges) I'm not entirely certain how the output of those two setups would compare.

The 109G has the opposite problem of the messershit
Surface damage yes.
Air damage... uhhhh...

[noble osprey]

Is there a general opinion on Fritz and Z52 yet? Are they top tier ships?

[novel solstice]

In that case, try it and watch to see whether enemy aircraft are leaking through -- if your backline gets demolished by enemy aircraft, you lost too much anti-air power 🙂

[shadow moat]

Gotcha.

[novel solstice]

They are both excellent.

[sharp wave]

Should I build and retro fit laffy

[tropic tusk]

there should be a beginner mission for that

[sharp socket]

if bossing for outside campaign, use conv TB and corresponding DB when with slow/stopper

[sharp wave]

Ok

[cedar willow]

i got 1 copy Z52, should i get the left ones? or prioritize other stuff?

[wind hazel]

if you're low on UR bulin, you want to consider getting the 2nd copy

[cedar willow]

i have Rumey, Morgador, Z52 not mlb

[wind hazel]

sounds like you want to get the 2nd copy

[cedar willow]

okey

[fast steppe]

i should be able to get 40 more from just daily stuff before event ends right

[wind hazel]

yes

think it's 50 too, sat sun mon tues wed

[elfin hollow]

is Z52 worth mlb? Or Fritz Rumey for that matter

[tropic tusk]

he ask A or B u reply yes

[novel solstice]

Z52 and Rumey are both excellent.

[eternal moth]

Because the answer is yes to both

[tropic tusk]

isnt that more clear

[elfin hollow]

ok thanks, I think Ill do Rumey because I need good Main Fleet ships

i changed my mind Ill do z52 first

[eternal moth]

If the question was "Do I MLB Z52 OR Fritz" the answer would have been different

[elfin hollow]

ill probably do both eventually. Thanks everyone!

[tropic tusk]

its fine we cleared that now

[eternal moth]

Do remember that Yorktown 2's event is in 2 weeks, so if you want her, you might want to hold off on MLBing either

[tropic tusk]

isnt yk2 > rumey? i heard people say that

[eternal moth]

I still think Rumey needs more testing before we're able to say anything about that

People said YT2 was trash before testing was done too.

[wind hazel]

i don't think it's yk2>rumey or rumey>yk2. i think it's yk2+rumey

[kind slate]

Do you need to have the ship to try out their skins?

Nooo. Sad k thnx guys

[sinful escarp]

but you can buy the skin, and just use it when you get the ship

[undone plover]

U can check some interactions for skins u have in owned skins tab
But I am not sure if it works for rented skins

[kind slate]

I wanted to try using the free voucher but I don’t have cat or the other pr7 one

[tropic tusk]

try youtube them there are people that post video for those. if u just want to see wht they can do

[mellow cape]

Isn't Yk2 massively boosted by Kearsarge? At that point wouldn't it pointless to slot in rumey over another eagle ship/ Implacable?

[kind slate]

Oh yea, is it worth going for pr6 or straight to pr7 for nahimov? I have shimanto dev 30 already

[mellow cape]

Fated too?

[undone plover]

Kear frees up a vanguard slot
Counts for her uss requirement and also kear wants some aa debuff so ykii also synergizes with her that way

But it is not like ykii cant function without kear

[undone plover]

Personally I say go for 7 and come back to 6 after their catchup is released next month or after u finish pr7

[obsidian ivy]

60 slots enough for a year of ships ?

[undone plover]

I think u might need slightly more than that
Even more if your year of ships includes reruns

[kind slate]

Not yet

[mellow cape]

Fate her lol

[kind slate]

Im assuming nakhimov best for first build?

[mellow cape]

In time or whatever. The event ATM has some prints. But you also remove shimato face researches if you finish her (I.e. more chances for Nakhimov face researches)

[obsidian ivy]

Hm guess I'll buy slots, was gonna buy Agir skin but somehow halfway through I wasn't as enticed

[mellow cape]

It's faster to complete ships if you have previous PR series completed including fate lol

[kind slate]

Oh right. Forgot abt elimination. Good point thnx

[undone plover]

Doesnt rly matter
She wont be ready for 3-4 months
Just develop her at your own pace

Btw u can check skin interactions here
Go to shop > skins > owned skins
Looks like rentals show up there as well
Turn on l2d and tap look

Idk if it has all the interactions
But it has some of them at least
If not like someone suggested check youtube

[mellow cape]

The calc on paper place fritz about 1.2x stronger for light and medium

[whole crypt]

unsurprisingly

[undone plover]

Is this vs activated

[eternal moth]

But man her damage falls flat on heavy armor

[mellow cape]

She's rated 5th for heavy armor

[whole crypt]

it's not great against heavy but not as bad as that table suggests

the table is just stacking on La-9s, Rumey does have a good 4-plane slot to fit TBs

[eternal moth]

You know, this would be a lot easier if I read Japanese

[undone plover]

It is probably CN tho

[eternal moth]

It's not. I see katakana or hiragana

[whole crypt]

it's JP, I wouldn't know if they copy and pasted from CN

but like I said it's not surprising, at all

[undone plover]

We will know soon

[mellow cape]

It's JP loll but yeah from CN damage calcs

[whole crypt]

like if you have a remote idea of how the damage happens this is pretty much expected

[undone plover]

Are ppl expecting 8 140% La9 to be bad vs medium

[forest palm]

those numbers for Heavy feel so off

[sharp wave]

How many task are there for gacha event I only saw the two

[forest palm]

you get 2 gachapon missions in game per day

[undone plover]

2 on web
2 in game

[faint cloud]

this chart seems from the ロイヤルおじさん right?

[whole crypt]

because it's based on La-9s only, Rumey can fit TBs if it's heavy
it'll still be lower than other carriers but not that low

[mellow cape]

Yeppp lol

[forest palm]

that's rather flawed testing

[mellow cape]

https://youtu.be/hdJchCexrbs?si=5_hqqvzbn7xRVfiL here's another video

[wind hazel]

i mean we know we wont be using her for heavy, why even bother comparing her there

[faint cloud]

he did it by himself seems

[mellow cape]

Yeahhh I think I found the source of the damage calc from that video

[whole crypt]

except you don't need to test it to know

[forest palm]

because I value the data

[wind hazel]

[plain saffron]

Does this UR have animation

[mellow cape]

Lolll that's fair nntktt, I just wanted to see where they placed her and actual damage calcs instead of paper ones

[plain saffron]

Gacha animation

[wind hazel]

yea

[plain saffron]

Thanks

[mellow cape]

Here is the website if you want to read it

https://pasokau.com/kms_fritz_rumey

[forest palm]

but ya I'm not a fan of testing that isn't thorough

[faint cloud]

iirc theres a ship that has animation despite not being the gacha ur, hakuryuu?

[exotic wren]

Ya

The rest doesn't somehow

[mellow cape]

They also compare Z52 to Laffey 2 a lot compared to here where Z52 is compared to ply loll

[whole crypt]

I'd rather do paper calc than work with poor testing data

and at this point you can pretty much eyeball a ship's stats and be reasonably close

[undone plover]

Tbh she is closer to ply than laffey

[mellow cape]

Yeah which confuses me. A CN website and a JP website both compared her to Laffey 2

[wind hazel]

they probably dont wanna cross hull compare

[whole crypt]

comparing Z52 with the other 2 UR DDs makes no sense because they don't fill the same role/utility

[faint cloud]

ppl just like comparing why bother

[mellow cape]

Fair lol. I'm using a scripted search for fritz rumey and just seeing what exists in the first 10 CN/JP websites

[whole crypt]

JP is shit for serious gameplay anyway

[mellow cape]

I could do 100 but I veer into the territory of weird unrelated websites

[whole crypt]

and CN you're pretty much just looking at the same bunch of people on bili/nga

[mellow cape]

Funny enough nntktt, you're not wrong from what I got in my script results lol. I also got comments about fritz rumey from a group of the same people from bili and nga. JP is also similar

But yeah, if you do it for Laffey 2 a lot more better results come up lol

[whole crypt]

it's not funny enough because that's roughly the whole community that exists out there when it comes to serious gameplay

[fast steppe]

does anyone have that doc of carrier loadouts

[faint cloud]

and btw why the botspam says the cn wiki is by nga, are't those ppl are mainly making contents on bilibili and nga is kinda considered as shit or toxic from many cn ppl tmk

[jaunty vault]

its ancient text no one cares to update

[whole crypt]

toxic aside the people who actually run numbers do post on bili and nga but you need to know who you're looking at

it's not like cn has any other major outlets or platforms for publishing that stuff

[sonic canyon]

Because there's a lot of useless spam on the NGA

[whole crypt]

a lot

[sonic canyon]

If you want to see a good article, I suggest you check out bWiki

[fast steppe]

or at least something that says how many of each type of plane each carrier has

[whole crypt]

I think the thread for Taihou META is already buried in the 5th or 6th page by now

[sonic canyon]

Are you from cn, too

[whole crypt]

no I just can read and have a nga account 🙂

[faint cloud]

i mean it should be like by BWiki rather than by Nga forum

[mellow cape]

I seeee ty for the recs of good sources loll. I was going a little crazy looking at what came up

[sonic canyon]

You're familiar with the NGA and bilibili

[mellow cape]

[whole crypt]

I have a bili account with like 5 videos when I bothered with bulin ramming on CM last year

[whole crypt]

so yeh I'd say I'm familiar with the content, the community not so much besides looking up the same few names
I mostly use bili to look up on seiyuu stuff

[sharp wave]

Would an all iron blood fleet be possible if built around bismarck

[eager mulch]

possible yes,
dogshit also yes

[tropic tusk]

dont u need zwei for that?

[whole crypt]

possible for what content
also you can do it without building around Bismarck

[sharp wave]

Just general content probably story mode mostly

[whole crypt]

you can pretty much use anything up to ch12

[wind hazel]

it will be shit

[sharp wave]

Damn is chapter 12 that hard cause I barely made it to chapter 11

[sinful escarp]

if your ships are properly geared it shouldnt be too hard

w12 is where we level up ships from 100 to 125 after all

[sharp wave]

Okay

[tropic tusk]

125 really? me 128 still grinding w12 damm i suck

i did push to w14-4

[sinful escarp]

not commander level, but ship level

[tropic tusk]

oh right i read wrong mb

then its lvl 1-125 tbf

[sinful escarp]

and commander level means nothing tbh

[whole crypt]

commander level you'll pretty much still be grinding at ch12 even if it's shit when you're past the 130s and 140s

[tropic tusk]

with proper gear u can bring lvl 1 ship in 12-4

[sonic canyon]

It's still a little difficult. Sometimes they die

[tropic tusk]

go level up ur ships more at lower maps

[white agate]

that's situational tho and most likely you need the other ships to be good or to have full cross barrage

[tropic tusk]

i tried it works, all u need is a 125 retrofit unicorn

[white agate]

yep, but unicorn wastes 1 exp space,also will steal mvp exp

[tropic tusk]

but u can bring 5 lvl 1

[elfin osprey]

As a new player, should I try to do pulls for the featured banner or save and do the 3x daily pulls instead?

[tropic tusk]

u daily pull 1 time only

[whole crypt]

it doesn't matter when you run out of main fleet ships to level

[elfin osprey]

On which banner? Featured always if available?

[sinful escarp]

do event banner for now

[whole crypt]

you will 100% run out of main fleet ships before you're done with vanguard shitters

[tropic tusk]

do event for now then when theres no event do light daily

[elfin osprey]

Ok thanks

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't exactly say that's a good way to do it even if they do survive

because some ships can still potentially die, or your fights are dragged out otherwise from the lack of damage as well

[sinful escarp]

i prefer to level them to atleast 100 before spamming 12-4 with them, that way i can get away with just poverty gear and dont worry about anyone dying

[tropic tusk]

well situation possibility then

[whole crypt]

you can get away with poverty gear way less than 100

[tropic tusk]

70-80 is enough even with bad gear

[ashen crow]

Is a destroyer with fp or torpedo focus better?

[whole crypt]

unless whole fleet is under you're usually fine by 70-80

[whole crypt]

usually gun DDs are more reliable
you still want torp ships because 1) hard mode will have TRP reqs and 2) some of the good DDs just happen to be torp-oriented anyway

[ashen crow]

What even is a dd gun?

[white agate]

destroyer gun

[worldly pewter]

[ashen crow]

Aren’t there several equipable slots for guns?

[whole crypt]

DD = destroyer
when you say a FP-focus DD it usually means a DD that has a focus on her guns not her torps

I said gun DD, not DD gun

[ashen crow]

But for the torpedo slot, can’t you just choose torps?

[white agate]

not all ships have torpedo slots

[ashen crow]

But destroyers do?

[whole crypt]

well as far as I can remember all DDs have a gun and a torp slot, but no DDs have multiple gun slots

[ashen crow]

So can’t you just slap the best dd gun and torpedo on a destroyer and be fine?

[elfin hollow]

just make sure to check gun compatibility

[ashen crow]

The hell is that now 😭

[elfin hollow]

not all DD-compatible guns are equippable on all DD's

[whole crypt]

that's hardly relevant though

[wind hazel]

that is a thing?

[whole crypt]

you're not going to just slap a random gun on them, we have a list of recommended guns

[ashen crow]

I just use highest rarity gun

And slap that bad boy on them

[whole crypt]

there are different guns for different roles, there are ships like Shimakaze and Kazagumo that prefers using a blue fast-firing gun

[ashen crow]

I don’t got either of them

[whole crypt]

don't fall for rarity trap

[elfin hollow]

this ^^^^

[whole crypt]

the game has a lot of shitty gold gear, and shitty gold ships

[sinful escarp]

highest rarity doesnt mean its the best

[ashen crow]

I only got 1 gold ship so I should be fine

[whole crypt]

sounds like this will be useful for you https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[elfin hollow]

not being stingy but rarity doesn't matter much

unless you collecting shiiii

[wind hazel]

the gold ship could be really dogshit too for all we know lol

[ashen crow]

I just stick to the stuff I got first and level them

It’s taihou

[whole crypt]

Taihou is pretty meh

[ashen crow]

I use it as my flagship because it has the most hp of all my backliners

[white agate]

retroing unicorn would be a good start

[elfin hollow]

Taihou was in the guide tho. maybe I have to swap her with Hiryuu

[sinful escarp]

at the start you can get away with that because you can over level ships, but later on you will have to think about fleet composition and proper gearing for different situations

[whole crypt]

which guide

[ashen crow]

I’m close to getting San Diego and got her microphone, and people say it’s good to retrofit her. Should I start with unicorn or her?

[whole crypt]

HP shouldn't be a real concern if you're getting your fleet building right, not a lot things hit you for much early in the game

[sinful escarp]

read this one over. this is the best beginner guide if you want to progress fast

[elfin hollow]

when I asked about fleet setups, they sent me a guide instead.

I checked on mob and boss fleets. Taihou was there (Or the muse version)

[white agate]

unicorn is higher priority, sandy requires more resources to shine

[sonic canyon]

Unicorn first

[ashen crow]

Level 35 bosses melt my level 65 ship hp fast

It’s those damn airplanes

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding this one? yeh taihou is in there, but it's also not a great one on the list

[elfin hollow]

so Hiryuu (unretro-ed yet) it is XD

[whole crypt]

thats a whole fleet problem not a main fleet ship HP problem

[elfin hollow]

probably your equipment is lacking something

[ashen crow]

I don’t think my fleet is that bad though

[whole crypt]

you don't think it's bad != it's not bad

[elfin hollow]

it took until stage 6 before i really started to struggle

lvl 35 must be stage 3?

[whole crypt]

because the game isn't hard by large and you can overlevel most things

[ashen crow]

I struggle at stage 4

[whole crypt]

35 is ch4 I think

[wind hazel]

a lv35 boss melted your lv65 ship. if you think it's not bad, you won't get melted...

[sinful escarp]

that is very bad man

[ashen crow]

I checked guides and my fleet shouldn’t be bad

[elfin hollow]

with the proper equipment, skills and fleet setup

you can autobattle the entire stage on one fleet only

[whole crypt]

lv 65 ships should be breezing through lv35 stuff your fleet is definitely bad at something at least

it could be your ship options, your LB, your gear

[wind hazel]

can be a lot of issues. why don't you show what you have and we'll work from there

[sinful escarp]

fleets arent bad but gears, enhancements, limit breaks, skill levels are a thing too

[ashen crow]

LB?

[whole crypt]

limit break

[white agate]

max starred

[ashen crow]

I always level my skills

[whole crypt]

you can't MLB at 65 but 0LB is absolute shit

your ships can easily double their damage from a LB

[sinful escarp]

at this point you should start a thread and post your fleet and gears there

[whole crypt]

which may be the problem here, poor gear aside

[elfin hollow]

Speaking of which. Jeanne D' Arc is dying after her two first battles. she's middle between zara and Hipster Meta

Stage 6-2

[whole crypt]

rammer is complete rubbish

[white agate]

she is not mlb right? also yeah rammer is bad

[elfin hollow]

nah short on bulins XD

but she's on the final 2x Bulin requirement

[whole crypt]

give her another durability aux preferably just toolkit + EVA

[ashen crow]

My fleet is
Backline: Unicorn, Taihou (flag), Giulio Cesare META
Frontline: Phoenix (Tank), Helena / Z11 (offtank) , Z23 middle

[soft raft]

That main gun has a shitty pattern for a CL main gun
Quintuple torps are worse than the Quads
What even is that AA gun
Boiler is meh
Rammer is just completely useless

[whole crypt]

boiler will have to work if you're short on toolkits

[soft raft]

Cesare META and Z11 are bad, also Portland most likely tanks better than Phoenix
give this a read if you havent already
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[ashen crow]

I really don’t have a good battleship

[soft raft]

you dont have Pennsylvania?

[ashen crow]

And I don’t want 3 cvs

[whole crypt]

Pennsylvania exists from guild shop

[white agate]

unicorn too

[soft raft]

he's already using Unicorn

[whole crypt]

also I highly suspect your ships aren't LB'd

at this point they will want at least 1 LB

gearing might take longer to fix we don't know what you have

[ashen crow]

Phoenix is at 3 stars, Z23 at 4, Taihou at 4, Unicorn at 5

I do limit break them since I need it for retrofit

[whole crypt]

then it's likely a serious gear issue, there's no reason for lv65 ships to be melting in ch4

[soft raft]

Using Portland instead of Phoenix for main tank would help too since Portland has her evasion skill

[sinful escarp]

just start a thread man, that way they can help you without having to think about slowmode here, and just post what you have in there

[whole crypt]

yeh... gear problem

[ashen crow]

Here’s some of the gear I use

I’m at the end of stage 4 so I can’t get a lot of good gear

[whole crypt]

you might want to start a thread with proper screenshots of what you have and get that sorted

you don't need a lot of good gear, you just need to actually be using right gear

like your phoenix has no durability auxes at all and a bulge does nothing on giulio cesare

[whole crypt]

if your phoenix is 3 stars she'll want that 4th star, her 2LB literally doubles her main gun damage

[soft raft]

In a thread

[whole crypt]

besides adding more HP

[narrow ridge]

Which one

[soft raft]

eventually you'll get both maxed out but the AVI Buff is first since that's the whole point of Sirius

[whole crypt]

you'll want to level all of them but yellow skill more important for Sirius

[narrow ridge]

Alright thank you

[ashen crow]

I heard Saratoga is good, should I add her?

[whole crypt]

she is but she won't fix your current problem

did you open a lot of boxes without combining them

[ashen crow]

I used to, not anymore

[narrow ridge]

Does this fleet sinergyze well?

Or should I replace shangri-la

[whole crypt]

it's not ideal but it'll work for par level if geared proper

[narrow ridge]

I have Essex and enterprise I can replace her with if that’s better

[whole crypt]

not if they're not similar LB/level already

[soft raft]

I find that Tirpitz a bit questionable
is that really your best BB?

[elfin hollow]

wait fam correct me if i'm wrong but according to the guide, Z23 is an off-tank right?

[ashen crow]

I don’t really know

[whole crypt]

if you don't have any boxes left you might have ot backtrack to 3-4 for tookits and 2-1/2-2 for some evasion aux

[narrow ridge]

I have more let me show you

[whole crypt]

that's hardly the real problem at this point

[eager mulch]

off tank goes to the 2nd tankiest ship, not to any specific ship unless their skill specifies so

[soft raft]

Use Hood instead dawg

[narrow ridge]

The others are in my other fleet

Hood is in my other one

[whole crypt]

normally the recommendation is to keep pushing but if you're having trouble getting past ch4 then you'll need to take a step back

[analog pier]

Yo i need help

[soft raft]

you dont look ready for a 2nd fleet

[analog pier]

How is this stuck at 68%? Could anyone guide me to fix this?

[narrow ridge]

What does that mean 😭

[eager mulch]

you have to clear it again

[whole crypt]

what chapter are you at, you don't really need 2 half-baked fleet if you're earlier in campaign

[analog pier]

How many times?

[narrow ridge]

Chapter 7

[eager mulch]

later stages take more than 1 clear to make 100%

[analog pier]

Even though i got all the stars?

[soft raft]

In 7-3's case, 3 times total

[whole crypt]

stars are stars, clear progress is clear progress, they're not related

[soft raft]

3* is sepreate from clear progression

[eager mulch]

Taken straight from the wiki

[analog pier]

Okay, thank you for the info everyone

Bless you all

[soft raft]

yeah no you aint ready for a 2nd fleet
go ahead post your dock in a thread cuz idk what you're running in your other fleet

[whole crypt]

ch7 can be done with 1 fleet assuming you can consolidate your resources, usually the problem is spreading out LBs and gear which gives you 2 worse fleets than 1 good one

[narrow ridge]

Okay let me show you my dock then

[eager mulch]

in a thread

i don’t want to see the dupe JB again

[whole crypt]

like in your case now Hood and Tirpitz are both stuck at 1LB XP capped

[eager mulch]

sick thread

[ashen crow]

Need help fixing my fleet and gears, stuck at stage 4

[narrow ridge]

Oh sorry I didn’t see your message

Dock

There

[elfin hollow]

[forest palm]

[hollow gust]

What are the drop rates for cogs in campaign, I got 0 cogs in the last 9 runs

[fast steppe]

should i +13 musashi's gun?

[wind hazel]

if you're still missing the other cracked UR BB, probably

[fast steppe]

alsace?

[wind hazel]

alsace soyuz zwei

[fast steppe]

only have alsace out of the 3 and she's 0lb

[forest palm]

on real reason to +13 the 460

[wind hazel]

im sure he's talking about the izumo gun

not the shiny UR, which is absent from his pic

[fast steppe]

yeah the izumo

[elfin hollow]

Gonna try 15-4 tomorrow, I feel like I'm diving into hell considering 15-3 was challenging. Anything to note before going to 15-4 or is it basically the same as 15-3 but harder

[novel solstice]

In world 12, the drop rate is an average of 1.2 per run.

But that average is gotten by it dropping a dozen at once, on about one in ten runs. So nine runs of zero in a row is not at all unusual.

[stark quiver]

if you 3 star 15-3
lethal?
then i think 15-4 shouldnt be a big problem

[eternal moth]

Usually your boss fleet will only fight the boss the second time it shows up, the mob fleet will fight the other 2.

[elfin hollow]

yes lethal

[elfin hollow]

[eternal moth]

Or you can do this the other way and have boss fight twice and mob once

[viscid swift]

well clearing it shouldn't be an issue, if you wanna lethal 3 star though

[stark quiver]

well 15-4 is a tad bit easier to 3* since ammo node
but you will be fine just clearing

[elfin hollow]

well my fleet was on life support for 15-3 lethal (mob) but I managed to 3 star it. But yeah, thanks for the notes on 15-4 I do love ammo nodes

[ashen crow]

How good is Yorktown?

[soft raft]

which Yorktown?
the Elite or the Type 2 UR?

[stark quiver]

yorktown the purp is meh
the UR is good

[ashen crow]

Elite

[stark quiver]

not good

[ashen crow]

I got her from world 3 just now

[wind hazel]

good source of medal

[elfin hollow]

Is duisburg worth to upgrade or nah

[wind hazel]

eventually

mainly worth for her +2 FP tech lol

[stark quiver]

depends what stage of game ur at

[elfin hollow]

I meann im trying to replace syclla from a boss fleet (i basically have no ships to replace her)

[sweet delta]

I wouldn't say this new Duisburg is better than almost-2-years-ago Scylla

[elfin hollow]

Ik this new UR is better then scylla the problem is I dont have enough ur bullins to mlb her

[wind hazel]

and scylla is a pretty high bar unless you just wanna swap her out cause she's at max exp or something

[devout storm]

How to keep this?

[wind hazel]

go closer and tap it

[devout storm]

Only 1 item cant keep

[elfin hollow]

What are some cl that are better then her minus plymouth and sandy

[wind hazel]

shimanto

[devout storm]

yes still can't

[wind hazel]

might be bug on your side

try restart, repair asset, all those typical stuff

[bold stream]

Hello all. Which gold blueprint are the best to buy on the shop?

[viscid swift]

which shop

[sharp wave]

Are building sub fleets worth it?

[viscid swift]

eventually yes

[sharp wave]

Ok

[bold stream]

This shop...

[viscid swift]

Series 3 for 2-3 Champaign Guns

[soft raft]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[bold stream]

I dont get this. Should I just go PR 3 gold BB gun?

[devout storm]

try over 10 min for this rip

[soft raft]

yes
at most 3 of the BB gun
Then Tenrai

And after that is whatever you need

[wind hazel]

yeah looks like bug for you 💀

[fast steppe]

is Aquila in permanent pool

[wind hazel]

yes

[devout storm]

emu bug
phone bug too wtf

[jaunty vault]

maybe it's you thats the problem

oh nvm its dorm 3d

[boreal wagon]

have u double checked it hasnt marked it as collected yet cuz sometimes the particles dont go away and sometimes the popup also doesnt happen

[soft raft]

Yes
but dont go splurging on special pool for her
Esp since Yorktown 2 banner also incorporates the special pool

[fast steppe]

yeah I won't just curious

[eager mulch]

you’re never the problem

[stark quiver]

does using cats lower my ex score

[white agate]

wasn't ex score increases the better your equipement is?

[jaunty vault]

pretty sure it's the other way around

[eager mulch]

less is more

[stark quiver]

better equipment = lower score hence why i run this

[wind hazel]

not lv1 helena

[stark quiver]

new player, cant dodge

[dusk maple]

we already know the ex formula to check score for whatever equipment you wanna try

[stark quiver]

is there an equation?

[eager mulch]

your fault ig

[stark quiver]

slide pls

[eternal moth]

Skill issue

[eager mulch]

truly

[dusk maple]

50000÷[(48+time)^(0.36) - (fleet power)^(0.6)]

[stark quiver]

desmos time

to get 7k score you kinda need torp memes right?
what ships are in the comp for that?

[dusk maple]

lemme check again if it was 5000 or 50000

[jaunty vault]

should be 50k for the math to make sense

[dusk maple]

yeah should be 50k

[dusk maple]

7k is easy, here are two fleets #media-content message #media-content message

[stark quiver]

if i see jintM im gonna cry

[dusk maple]

cyberdrake didn't use jintM

[stark quiver]

im missing a 460 so thats prolly doesnt help
well i didnt oath my ranger for nothing

[dusk maple]

add these two numbers to get the fleet power for the formula

[eternal moth]

Man, you need SO many coins early-mid game

[little tree]

I'm always poor I'm in mid game

[surreal meadow]

i see they are using the same main fleet

[stark quiver]

preload spoam

[surreal meadow]

but i dont have them leveled up to 125, am i cooked?

[eternal moth]

What chapter are you on?

[stark quiver]

how much quick takeoffs and assault carrier procs do i even need for ranger

[eternal moth]

All of them

[dusk maple]

use whatever works for a clear, like ijn cvs

[barren tapir]

truly we live paycheck to paycheck and constantly in debt

[eternal moth]

It's enough that if I hardcapped coins I could probably spend them in a week or less.

[dusk maple]

check how many HP bars one airstrike does, extrapolate it to 100 bars

[stark quiver]

procced assault and qt no helena scan gave me like -21 bars

[barren tapir]

my lecture hall will probably not be maxed for months not like i need that many books anyway tbh

[eternal moth]

I do lol

[barren tapir]

yeah i remember earlier times scavenging and saving every book possible

after my cogs ran into a wall though, the book problem stopped

even booked a bunch of ships to lvl90 the other day, felt like a midgamer

[rare wyvern]

I have made my mistakes, should I just disassemble that for the plates ?

[barren tapir]

definitely not

[eternal moth]

It's not the best, but that's not a terrible gun. It's not like you did it to a confetti gun

[dusk maple]

the extrapolation is approximate, crits and hit rate will make it variable that's why i stopped doing ranger.

[cobalt rapids]

just pray they add an upgrade for this in gearlab someday

[eternal moth]

That's still pretty good for mobbing if you don't need AP

[barren tapir]

youll still have net loss plates and be out a decent barrager gun for no real reason

[eternal moth]

Yeah, trashing it for 30 gold plates back isn't worth it

[rare wyvern]

What 'bout those ?

[cobalt rapids]

bad aswell

[rare wyvern]

P.S: I did this before coming here

[barren tapir]

just dont scrap +13s its not worth it

[rare wyvern]

Ogey

[barren tapir]

unless confetti gun i guess

[dusk maple]

use them, don't make more

[stark quiver]

after some math, theoretically, if ranger infinity procs then i should get 10k ex score

[eternal moth]

They're still technically upgrades over Helldivers, they just aren't as good as Tenrai. As fluffs said, use them but don't make more

[barren tapir]

i mean even if it wasnt a great use of plates, at least you upgraded decent gears regardless. i wouldnt be too upset over this

[cobalt rapids]

i would

[dusk maple]

10k score need a 6 seconds battle

[stark quiver]

I think I did the math wrong then

[rare wyvern]

Only other 10+ gold is like, the HE CB gun

[sweet delta]

bold of you to assume i don't have a preloaded ranger

[rare wyvern]

AP*

[eternal moth]

Which one?

There are 4 of them

[cobalt rapids]

lesson learned, follow a guide or ask when enhancing above +10

[eternal moth]

/plus13

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[stark quiver]

negative score doesnt sound right

[barren tapir]

i mean no point crying over spilled milk, whats done is done just learn from it at least the gears provide some value is what im saying

[rare wyvern]

Himb

[dusk maple]

show your formula and input

[stark quiver]

Ima just send a photo

[eternal moth]

That's fine then. I didn't plus 13 mine, but it's far from the worst choice. That said, I really prefer +13 on important main fleet suff instead.

[barren tapir]

68^0.36 - 8991^0.6 would be a negative number

then it did 50000 / negative number

[dusk maple]

rip, i put an extra bracket. 10*[5000/(48+time)^(0.36) - (fleet power)^(0.6)]

[barren tapir]

i think it's supposed to be (50000 / 68^0.36) - 8991^0.6

i got 8590 is that right

[stark quiver]

it sound correct enough lol

3 procs brought boss to like 60hp

[dusk maple]

realistically not enough buffs. you need helena, casablance, baltimore, kent/cleveland, pow

[stark quiver]

oh i need ara and the supporting wings

lvl 1 benson

[dusk maple]

balti is better than ara for rnger

[stark quiver]

i dont have balti 💀

[tropic tusk]

I can't send tempasta on commission right?

[fringe hedge]

How strong is Fritz Rumey?

[stark quiver]

very strong for medium armor bossing

[fringe hedge]

Is she worth having in a fleet?

[eager mulch]

depends

[hollow gust]

She is a UR, even at armor types she isn't good at , she will still stomp basically all SR CVs

[fringe hedge]

What should be the fleet formation then ?

[dusk maple]

possible on some

[little tree]

14-2 75%

[stark quiver]

12-4 is the way

[eternal moth]

You should be able to farm 12-4 without issue then, which really helps aleviate your coin problems

[little tree]

Between pulling UR events coining and research

I never have more then 15k at a given time

[eternal moth]

3 runs gives 7k coins or so, though, which means you need to farm more

[hollow gust]

I'm back to 200k from 50k from just 12-4

[little tree]

~~ im still farming event stage for 50k~~

[barren tapir]

it all depends on if your expenditure exceeds income or not

[little tree]

Also ur ships are pricy to mlb

[worldly pewter]

the reason why i ditch the event and coining

[little tree]

I'm almost done coining for while thankfully

[barren tapir]

events do tend to be harsh on newbies coinwise for a while til we catch up on stuff

[little tree]

Should I save Ur bullins for next event or mlb someone

[worldly pewter]

yeah unless someone nolifes the low cost stages which is kinda not that healthy for most people

[tropic tusk]

Ya just save

Next Ur is in 2weeks anyway

[little tree]

I only got 9k proto

Sounds good then

[tropic tusk]

U can't MLB anything either way

[little tree]

~~ i can fritz but no one else ~~

[worldly pewter]

rumei and mogador can be mlbed but wait i guess

[little tree]

Next ur is a re run right ?

[tropic tusk]

Yes it's Yorktown 2

[ivory pawn]

I’ll be at 8-9 UR Bullins when Yorkii rolls around myself. From lurking too much I assume I’ll save some for Yorkii, but since I’ll still have enough, think Fritz or Z53 would be the better choice?

[sweet delta]

depends on the status of your other rainbows

it may even be both fritz and z52

[ivory pawn]

Basically just Musashi at MLB.

FDG is being coined, and Aegir will hopefully be usable sometime next month, if you want to count DRs too.

[stoic forge]

Is 40mm staag good

[sweet delta]

i would take fritz and yorkii

[main stag]

Hi guys I'm here to ask what fleet of ship girls would i need to take on W15 and the type of gear they would need too?

[hollow gust]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[main stag]

ooo thanks

[formal robin]

Is there no chance of getting PR3 and below from research projects unless you're prioritizing them?

[undone plover]

Pr1-3 is retired
Only way to get it is to focus it

[sweet delta]

if you focus pr4 or above, then there's no chance to get pr1-3

[undone plover]

Which u shouldnt

[formal robin]

OK thanks

[tropic tusk]

But won't U need pr1-3 rainbow gun? Or there isn't one

[undone plover]

There are
U get them from prototype shop
And if u need more from gear lab

[formal robin]

I have 35/50 on tenrai. My question was really when pr4 will be retired. I'm passive grinding it right now.

[tropic tusk]

Oh U can craft them in gear lab?

[tropic tusk]

I heard it will be 2026, might be wrong tho

[undone plover]

Pr1 has no rainbow
Pr2 twin457 bb gun or georgia gun
Pr3 is triple 234 CA gun or drake gun

[undone plover]

Should be next month
But imo stay and finish that tenrai
If u are on pr4 focus u dont have to worry about it retiring

[strange sphinx]

When Coin Haku

[undone plover]

Same
Next month if previous pattern holds

[formal robin]

Ah I meant I am focused on 7. I guess I'll go back to 4 then

[undone plover]

Go full gear focus and u should finish in 20-30 days

[strange sphinx]

Sigh.. I only 5 bp for Ply gun, can I use it to other CL?

[undone plover]

Just ignore it
Most of us have the odd print from the previous seasons
Maybe at some point u can go b to get more ply guns

Unless u were asking what CL gun to use instead?
If so most ppl use 155kai for CL main gun
Or the clem event gun if u have it

[eternal moth]

Ply gun is best CL gun in game for anyone that can equip it.

Most CLs except those that can equip DD guns, and most BBs

[sharp wave]

What planes should I put on August

[barren tapir]

i am still curious how plygun and single150 would compare on momo. suchi says either works

in a month or so hopefully i can find out for myself

[soft raft]

It heavily depends on the specific content like it usually does for all ships

[sharp wave]

For story mode gonna use her on my second fleet

[worldly pewter]

avp isn't suited for mobbing

[sharp wave]

Okay is she better for boss killing?

Okay is she better than fdg or shinano Cause I have those two on my boss team

[undone plover]

U want 1 BB + 2 CV generally for both fleets
What are u running on boss now

I would take shinano over avp unless u are fighting one of those fast bosses that moves around a lot

And for FdG she works in both mob and boss but most ppl use her for mob

[soft raft]

boss killing in operation siren to be specific
her freeze utility only really sees maximum value if you're syncing her with other carriers

Which is the opposite of what you want to do in campaign anywhere

[sharp wave]

Shinano unicorn and fdg with prinz eugen prinz Heinrich and admiral graf spee

[undone plover]

I see a theme
Well it works up to ch13 but I assume this is mob
What is in your boss fleet?

Also FdG should be in flag position

The vanguard can be improved btw
I am not saying it is good but it can work with good gear

[sharp wave]

Actually I use that team for bosses my mob fleet is Gascogne, Odin and Peter with roon deutschland and z23

[sharp wave]

Working on that rn just got done retro fitting Portland but I don’t know who else to add

[undone plover]

Put unicorn instead of gascogne
And put another CV for boss
What CV do you have?

[undone plover]

Hmmm if u want make a thread and post your dock maybe easier that way

[sharp wave]

Okay

Lady Maria dock

Made a thread

[elfin hollow]

Are urgent commission and commission in general limited to 6 available only?

[undone plover]

Normal comms are 4 + long comm
Urgent has no cap afaik

[barren tapir]

4 general commissions + big oil comm, 4 night urgent commissions, no limit to proc-based urgent commissions. max 4 can be done at once

[undone plover]

Smh forgetting long comm

[grizzled wave]

what are these bonuses from? I just saw them right now

[barren tapir]

the only limit with urgent comms is you cant spawn one that's already spawned or active, aka you cant proc a merchant rescue 1 when there's already a merchant rescue 1 available or being done

[undone plover]

Some DD get bonus to aux gear from limit break

[eternal moth]

DDs have one of 3 bonuses for being MLB. That DD has the +30% bonus from auxes

[grizzled wave]

thanks!

[elfin hollow]

[eternal moth]

Some have half AoA requirement, others have better torp spread

[undone plover]

Are there multiples of the 3h good oil comm? 160-260 oil + t3 pack?
I am sure I have had that happen in the past

[barren tapir]

yes, BIW and NYB

[grizzled wave]

how good are this events UR’s compared to previous UR events overall?

[red pier]

hi guys, this might be a dumb question but is there any benefits to keeping multiple of the same UR ship or do I just LB?

[soft raft]

that's not really a easy question to answer
but in comparison to other URs of their hulltype:

Fritz Rumey is looking to be a strong anti-light/medium damage CV
Z52 is up there with Laffey II in terms of how busted she is

[tribal frigate]

how do we know the crit rate of a ship?

[soft raft]

There is zero pratical justifications for raising duplicate ships regardless of rarity
Use dupes to limit break, scrap otherwise if already MLB

[red pier]

ty

[grizzled wave]

so z52 is probably better for me to mlb? cuz i dont have Laf2

[eternal moth]

Do you have 3 other MLB CVs?

[soft raft]

what other URs do you have?

[grizzled wave]

hak is 29/30 almost done with her

[eternal moth]

Yeah, get Z52

[tribal frigate]

so it mostly depend on Attacker Hit, Target Evasion, and difference between both luck

[eternal moth]

And then finish Shinano next

[soft raft]

And for future reference, dont limit break a UR until you have enough bullins to MLB in one go

[barren tapir]

yep

[soft raft]

mfw Shimakaze, Shinano, and Vanguard are all LB2

[tribal frigate]

ok i will use AI to calculate it

[eternal moth]

Why does it matter?

[soft raft]

Dawg just use a calculator

[grizzled wave]

i dont have any UR dd guns yet would the 76mm be fine for z52?

[eternal moth]

She has a pretty high efficiency on her guns, so you want them to do damage. Do you have or can you make a single 113 instead?

[grizzled wave]

lemme see i just was trying to find one to proc counter faster

[barren tapir]

if you cant afford single 113 then 76 is fine

[grizzled wave]

i can afford

[eternal moth]

It seems like such a waste to put a single 76 on someone with a 170% eff and over 120FP

[barren tapir]

then make it

[barren tapir]

her barrages are just that cracked

[grizzled wave]

this one right yall?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[barren tapir]

i believe her gun ranking goes single 113 >= 100kai > 76/twin100/twin114 > anything else

[grizzled wave]

what aa does she prefer? ability said she gets a special AA gun? nvm im wrong. wait she does

[eternal moth]

Probably rainbow AA I assume

[barren tapir]

aa carry guns

[undone plover]

Rainbow > roomba/sextuple
unless u are running her with a better AA carry

[worldly cairn]

Does CL gun on battleship can do dmg on META boss?

[barren tapir]

i dont remember if rainbow or sexy is better for aa carry

[eternal moth]

She's not REALLY a carry, or at least not on the level of Sandy. I'd still give her an accelerator over a sexy

[burnt bramble]

Never mind wrong channel.

[barren tapir]

check your mail storage

[eternal moth]

It goes to storage, not directly to you

[undone plover]

Not wrong channel
It goes from mail to storage

[viscid swift]

No, they don't have the range

[barren tapir]

she is carry level its just sandy is on another level

[burnt bramble]

Oh, nice! I need to check taht out.

[eternal moth]

You then claim the oil and coins from your mail storage

[undone plover]

Roomba is also good for aa carry
Not just sextuple

[true bough]

Help me build my fleet hehe

[worldly cairn]

Can someone help me build fleet for Taihou META ? my best DMG so far is 1.4M

[soft raft]

Here go give this a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[eternal moth]

Cesare, Uni, Hiryuu, Portland, Z23, Helena

[viscid swift]

Do you have Kazagumo

[worldly cairn]

sadly no, and i only have 2 tenrai

[sweet delta]

Do you have Helena

[worldly cairn]

i do have helena

[undone plover]

3 IJN eldridge, kazagumo, z52
Replace z52 with helena if u want to try for one shot

Musashi/alsace/vanguard
z52, helena, plymouth also might work

[eternal moth]

Amagi/Shinano/Haku/Eld/Helena/Mog maybe.

[worldly cairn]

460mm for musashi?

[viscid swift]

Z52 would just be better than mogador at that point

[worldly pewter]

no gumo is kinda rough

[eternal moth]

I wouldn't put Z52 in since she doesn't have full skills.

[sweet delta]

I would

[eternal moth]

Unless that really doesn't matter because her AoA is that good.

[undone plover]

True mog is better with unzen

[barren tapir]

if her 1st skill is maxed

[worldly cairn]

with this fleet one of my carrien can only do 250k DMG sience i lack 1 more tenrai

[viscid swift]

Good enough

[sweet delta]

Amagi can use la9 instead of tenrai

[undone plover]

Daisen gun + radar better for 4 salvo

[stark quiver]

how is it 117 already

[eternal moth]

Books

[viscid swift]

What do you mean how

[undone plover]

It has been 8 days already

Plenty of time to level

[barren tapir]

what do you mean how

[worldly cairn]

does daisen gun need to be +13?

[eternal moth]

Being 117 is the LEAST impressive thing there. Having enough rainbow books to get her to 2 maxed and one level 6 skill is more impressive to me lol

[undone plover]

If u can spare the plates sure it is worth

[elfin hollow]

Uhhh which to mlb first for W13

[barren tapir]

that's just being a boomer with saved rainbows

[worldly pewter]

that means that i slacced for a whole 8 days

[undone plover]

Show all your URs

[burnt bramble]

Is there a particular fleet I can use that involves mostly Ironblood when I advance into Chapter 13+?
Going after PR ships in 6 and 7 that involve Ironblood after a current Eagle Union ship I'mm working oon

[eternal moth]

Don't farm in chapter 13, do it in 12

[undone plover]

I would MLB fritz
Wait for ykii rerun u might get 1-2 copies of her before u invest in her
Z52 also good but backline would have a bigger impact
U could also wait till we know more about fritz vs z52 debate

[eternal moth]

When does OpSi start the monthly reset, after chapter 3 or 4?

[undone plover]

Finishing ch4 I believe

[stark quiver]

been using all my oil in 12-4 and mine is only 100

[burnt bramble]

I want to farm 13-4 for the SR drop ship though.

[viscid swift]

well I booked her to level 70, she's been in the dorm ever since I got her, I've also been giving her all of my excess XP packs and she get's MvP pretty much all the time now

[eternal moth]

IB has no healer, so you're limited to 2 for main fleet, and they don't have great AA, so you might need an AA carry from another faction to help them

[viscid swift]

anyway back to this
Shinano, Amagi, Ark Royal, Z52, Helena, Eldridge

[stark quiver]

for gear focus, blue 2hE or 1.5h G

[viscid swift]

I'll get gear real quick

[undone plover]

Why not hakuryuu if u are running eldridge anyway cheeky

[worldly cairn]

i will try next reset which one will give best result

[hollow gust]

all 3 gear are more desirable then grant

[undone plover]

Is the extra slow better?

[viscid swift]

60% slow is not enough

[elfin hollow]

Should I prioritize ytii if I want to save cubes

[undone plover]

No because there are 44 free builds
Get lucky and u can MLB her for free

[viscid swift]

whether or not Haku is enough to just outweigh that I don't know but I always prefer consistency wherever possible

[sweet delta]

But already fishing for Helena scan might as well put haku with a lot more damage potential than (non-assault) ark

[burnt bramble]

I could go for another PR instead. Most of PR6 and 7 are still up for grabs for me.

[undone plover]

Neko slow alone was pretty good for me

But tbh that was 4 rotations maybe the timings just fit better

[hollow gust]

her non buffed slow isnt enough if you want consistent damage

[viscid swift]

when I tried Nakimov her stop wasn't being procced and you could really feel the drop off in damage compared to Implacable

[burnt bramble]

Daisen, Napoli, Admiral Nakhimov, Bayard, Shimanto, Flandre still up to develop minus the two Ironblood in PR 6

[viscid swift]

anyway, Z52 in this state is actually enough to main tank Taiho and maintain concealment funnily enough

[undone plover]

Work on shimanto
She is good
Bot for your ironblood challenge tho cuz she is sakura

If u want to do ironblood only for ch14 and 15 u need to farm operation siren get good gear
It still wont be enough for 15 tbh
Maybe ironblood + unicorn
Oh and get z52 from this event if u havent already

[burnt bramble]

Yeah, I got all the characters from the current event.

[viscid swift]

unironically just raise 2 Z52s and 3 Fritz's if you're gonna do that

is it sane, no but full IB W15 clear isn't exactly sane either so...

[burnt bramble]

I mean, I'm not against working on other factions. I just need a direction to go with Chapter 13+ so it'll benefit me when I farm the crap out of each x-4 for the SR ships. After I get out of those mines I'll just go back to chapter 12.

[viscid swift]

well the direction is to not use faction fleets

[hollow gust]

especially ironblood

[viscid swift]

they're just a self imposed handicap

[burnt bramble]

Though I suppose in that regard I need to internalize all the healing ships. I know Unicorn is one of those, but other than that...

[eternal moth]

Ironblood has some great ships, but farming with them is rough in plane-heavy maps.

[hollow gust]

you basically only need unicorn, maaaybe a zuihou or aquila for diff comps

[eternal moth]

Yeah, you can use Aquila when you need Sardegna XP

[undone plover]

if u want specific advise who to raise make a thread and show your dock

if u want general advice
go to this website
https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker/

pick BB and CV, pick ACC + RLD + AVI + FP
raise the ships it shows

for vanguard pick CA+CL+DD
pick FP then raise them

if u are farming for shimanto also pick sakura for vanguard so u do 2 things at the same time

[viscid swift]

it's not like you ever need both main fleet and vangaurd XP at any given point either

so don't force a full faction fleet when there's 0 point in doing so

[stark quiver]

lar tracker easier to use than the OG one?

[viscid swift]

I use it now because it's not buggy

[sweet delta]

but my video views

[eternal moth]

Uni/Indep/Sara, Fritz, or another good CV should be fine if you're farming vanguard XP

With a good enough boss fleet/rainbows, you probably won't have any issues if it's on safe

[viscid swift]

this does get on your nerves after a while

[forest palm]

I can't be fucked to move over to lars track too much work

[eternal moth]

What causes that? I haven't seen it in a while, but it was getting annoying

[undone plover]

he has an import tool iirc

[boreal wagon]

truly is too much work to export and import

[viscid swift]

no clue to be honest

[sweet delta]

It always happened when I did bulk

[stark quiver]

for this one, i js hate how it auto adjusts my faction tech

[forest palm]

if it did it's hard to find

[boreal wagon]

truly hard to find

[sweet delta]

How dare you suggest I download a comma separated virus to my computer!!

[viscid swift]

taz....

[boreal wagon]

very hard indeed

[burnt bramble]

How to import?

[undone plover]

u need to have used the other website already
otherwise u need to enter your ships manually first time

[sweet delta]

There's no import from game ||yet||

[forest palm]

which in itself is a lot of work

[stark quiver]

now i see why you like lar's site
actually ez to use

[undone plover]

did anyone find a 100% safe SP fleet?

[forest palm]

SP? or EX?

[boreal wagon]

he did say SP

[sweet delta]

Do you mean low oil?

[forest palm]

yes, but people confuse SP sometimes

[eternal moth]

Why do i have main fleet selected to view but I'm still seeing things like Foch and Tallinn?

[sweet delta]

My 710 oil clear seemed quite safe

[main stag]

do you guys have a guide for operation siren?

[boreal wagon]

untick BM

[sweet delta]

Unicorn Eldridge
Alsace level70cassinwithmanjuu

[undone plover]

sushi if this works i will come back to crown this comment tomorrow

[sweet delta]

Depends on your tech and gear

[barren tapir]

i just do 308 oil

[forest palm]

I just use Sushi + Napoli (mob) | BZ + Ply (boss) for SP

[sweet delta]

If you don't trust, then use mog or laffii

[undone plover]

~~soon u will learn the way of the low oil and be hooked ~~

[barren tapir]

i do low oil when it's safe

[stark quiver]

i use uni + ddg
||and they died last mob||

[forest palm]

[undone plover]

the issue is those half sub half suicide boat things i believe
not sure if even laffii with hedgehog works

[eternal moth]

I use uni/laffii and a full rainbow crossfleet, and haven't had issues >.>

[sweet delta]

Your DD should deal with most of them until ooa, and when ooa unicorn starts healthy and can tank them

[undone plover]

yeah but that is a bit overkill

[eternal moth]

I know, but it's only one fight a day, so the oil cost isn't that important

[sweet delta]

But that oil could have been 3 runs of B3

[storm heron]

just use zuihou anshan alsace lvl70cassinwithmanjuu

Apparently tai yuan is inferior choice

[boreal wagon]

i realised just telling you to untick BM may have not been the most helpful answer to you question, unlike retropaint my tracker filters by the hulls the stats are granted to not the hulls of the ships themselves

[eternal moth]

It took some time to realize what that was changing, but I got it.

[boreal wagon]

ye thats why it says "granted to" above the hulls

[upbeat wagon]

what are yall preferred pc emulators?

[eternal moth]

LDPlayer

[sweet delta]

Mumu

[stark quiver]

out of all ive tried, mumu was the smoothest

[forest palm]

ya'll need Hedghogs

[eternal moth]

Man, a month in on this alt and I STILL haven't gotten more than 1 Helldiver. Worst luck ever?

[forest palm]

sounds pretty shit

[eternal moth]

I'll have to try not sucking next time.

[burnt bramble]

Isn't that one of the newer main guns?

The name is somewhat familiar...

[eternal moth]

Hedgehog is an anti-sub aux you get for beating the sub weekly the first time

[sinful escarp]

You get it the first you clear the last submarine weekly

[burnt bramble]

Too bad they haven't improved anti-sub capabilities that much... Unless there's more hidden behind Operation Siren.

[eternal moth]

Nope, hedgehog still the best. Luckily you don't really need that much ASW

And they DID introduce an anti-sub surface torp, although I don't know if anyone's tested how good it actually is at that job

[sinful escarp]

Fun fact: dismantling hedgehog is a way to brick your account because you can only get 1 of it

[forest palm]

they have improved ASW wtf

[barren tapir]

probably. i got lucky and some event or rerun had helldivers on a C map so i 1:1ed that a lot until i had a few

[worldly pewter]

purple asw can work too too a some degree where it can't

[sinful escarp]

Even in w15?

[ashen crow]

What’s the best map to farm for unicorn retrofit blueprints?

[barren tapir]

i actually probably got more than i needed bc i have like 4 sitting in my depot unused rn

[eternal moth]

At least we don't need sonar anymore

[eternal moth]

The hardest x-4 hardmode map you can do

[barren tapir]

purple asw can work but its so much less good than hedgehog