gameplay-help

[sharp socket]

heres the whole thing

[sweet delta]

Twin 130 may be the worst gold DD gun you could give eld and kaza against heavy

[sharp socket]

[atomic abyss]

twin 130 is a very slow gun

[whole crypt]

Kazagumo just give 76
Eldridge depends on what guns you have

[atomic abyss]

it also has like, 20% ammo mod towards heavy

kaza wants 76 to spam her aoa which has torps
eld, well, try for something faster

[sharp socket]

ok i fix

[strange sphinx]

[sharp socket]

im using wiki for this

[atomic abyss]

...at this point why not just give her a mog gun

[sharp socket]

oh yea i have that

[strange sphinx]

[sharp socket]

ill just give eld's sandy's stuff

anyway is that fine

[storm heron]

is switching a pair to nakh-tash will do anything?

[sharp socket]

any offensive auxes i can throw on anyone

i also wanna use CVs even if 2shot only cause BBs make the fight twice as long with all the timestops

[storm heron]

yeah my eld protects my quadruple oxytorp

[wind hazel]

throw rpg and oxytorp somewhere

[crimson glacier]

is there even any consistent BB one shots

[sharp socket]

the BB is 2shot too

[storm heron]

throw in rpg for even more rng

[smoky cipher]

is there a new resource like al community tier list for builds that is up to date?

[atomic abyss]

there is no updated guide for what gear every individual ship should use

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

this one tells you good gear, but doesnt tell you which specific ship wants them

[turbid dawn]

Question if I want a tank that can AB for a triple BB fleet is Guam a better choice than Agir nowadays that Alsace exists?

[pseudo saffron]

How do I get lots of xp books

[crimson glacier]

you dont

[sharp socket]

so this is good?

[crimson glacier]

exp books are just side stuff you get by waiting

[dreamy blade]

max out your lecture hall then grind with lv100+ ships and also just wait for time to pass

[pseudo saffron]

Zamn

[sharp socket]

it looks unlivable so that means its damage will be good right

[storm heron]

eldridge makes your others super tanky

that looks more than livable, I would put helena to offtank though

the damage wouldn't be good though since maihou moves a lot

[shell willow]

im affraid no, also sometimes i can see tbs missing, maybe cause tashkent attacks the birds and her slow expires on taihou or something

[atomic abyss]

tash's fairy attacks the mobs

so the slow on maihou expires

[storm heron]

gg kent

time to ait for the support barrage so I can say I one shot maihou

[wind hazel]

yeah, eldridge should keep them healthier than what i am using, and they dont drop below 20% hp

but i also run all 57mm so might see some difference i guess?

[storm heron]

ah I haven't tried that yet

[wind hazel]

shouldn't be that much of a difference on vanguard pressure tho

but it keeps the concealment better for sure

[vagrant harness]

i still cant beat EX stage can i get help on what team to use?

[late flame]

tbh i just threw (mostly)*rainbows at it
what do you have though?

[whole crypt]

normal actually more painful to manual than hard

[jade maple]

heyo guys, are there any way to increase the daily limit of opsi for meta?

[atomic abyss]

no

[sleek spade]

Is nyakh’s slow a timing thing? Am I forced to pair her w Soyuz? I don’t really wanna mess up my BB fleet for OpSi by pairing Soyuz w her

[atomic abyss]

always 200 a day

[jade maple]

so just 2 raid daily

[whole crypt]

2 of your own and 3 assists

[atomic abyss]

yes slow is timing related, no you dont have to use soyuz

[jade maple]

are there any limit on how you can get fron assist? meta pts i mean

[atomic abyss]

3 a day

[sleek spade]

Who’s the alternative for the freezing?

[atomic abyss]

tashkent and voroshilov

[whole crypt]

assists are up to 1/5 the points of own fight of the same tier

[atomic abyss]

fs5 chkalov as well

[whole crypt]

so for T15 assists max is 75 per fight

[sleek spade]

Is Tashkent’s slow skill consistent or is also a timing thing like “every 20s, bla bla”?

[whole crypt]

consistent as far as I know

[sleek spade]

Nice ty

[atomic abyss]

perma up time as long as her fairy attacks the same enemy

[jade maple]

oh i can only get around 71 with auto

[whole crypt]

71 is fair game

[atomic abyss]

assuming augment tashkent ofc

since it lasts 110s

[sleek spade]

Yea aug is no problem

Hmm will have to swap out either Sirius or Kaza tho

[sharp socket]

i get 73 with 1.1m damage so 75 is probably a ways off

[whole crypt]

75 is actually 1.1something M

[sharp socket]

[storm heron]

is 75 like 66.6% of 1.6M?

[weary scroll]

which one of z52 skills should i level first?

[whole crypt]

the line is usually 70%

[sharp socket]

i assumed it was 75%

[sleek spade]

Everything

[weary scroll]

is there a best one or just do them evenly?

[whole crypt]

might be 75% it's been a while since I last checked

[storm heron]

red imo, but v

[atomic abyss]

you arent gonna use an unskilled ship for any difficult content

so it doesnt matter which you level first

[weary scroll]

ah ok

[sleek spade]

I don’t think u should use her with not maxxed skills

[jade maple]

are there any setup to 1t t15 taihou?

[sleek spade]

If you’re gonna use her against shitters then it doesn’t matter. Just level at your leisure I guess

[turbid dawn]

Question if I want a tank that can AB for a triple BB fleet is Guam a better choice than Agir nowadays that Alsace exists? Gets AB right at the start and is more consistent on auto and I believe she does more dmg too

[smoky cipher]

what AA gun on z52?

[sleek spade]

The best u got

[atomic abyss]

rainbow AA, otherwise twin 113

[sleek spade]

Why fp? Isnt her AA really good?

[atomic abyss]

depends, guam is frailer, and you can use agir's slow torps if you really want

[storm heron]

I mean some content use no AA

[atomic abyss]

twin 113 is roomba
you're confusing it with the twin 134

[sleek spade]

Ah yea I did

[turbid dawn]

Hmm I feel like Agirs slow does basically 0 right? And BB is only used for med and if that’s the case it gonna use BisZ since she’s like 1st or 2nd best against med nowadays right?

[atomic abyss]

and ultimately, guam's AA may be better used in CV fleets to keep backline's concealed, tho laff 2 also fulfills that role

[turbid dawn]

I only have 1 CV fleet atm sadly since I don’t have any of the anti-light CVs or Implac and that VG is already full

[kind slate]

How much longer of event do I have?

[atomic abyss]

just over a week

[kind slate]

Nice thnx

[eternal basalt]

(If you mean the main event)

[kind slate]

There’s another event going on rn?

[eternal basalt]

Gacha, skin, CtA, hankerchief event

[kind slate]

What’s CtA

[eternal basalt]

Call to Arms

[jaunty vault]

you're just confusing the guy lol

[nocturne glade]

does Laffey's last retrofit node make a large difference? (Annihilation mode)

[jaunty vault]

yeah

its a skill
pretty strong one (for laffey)

[nocturne glade]

great, ty!

[eternal basalt]

Mostly saying it doing gacha event, and that ends earlier than UR event...

[smoky cipher]

what type of plane to put on fritz omni plane slot?

[jaunty vault]

depends™️

wait that's the wrong one

[jaunty vault]

need darkmode and tldr

[atomic abyss]

it doesnt get more tldr than this

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

someone did make a visual guide of this admittedly

[whole crypt]

tldr just memorize and you won't need to read any more of it

[late flame]

or ask again as needed

[jaunty vault]

bold of you to assume I don't have it memorised

[storm heron]

can ark outdamage nakhimov in heavy? need a second slow since warspite moves a lot

[jaunty vault]

you could've just cropped the flex slot part

[atomic abyss]

with full uptime on assault carrier, yes

[jaunty vault]

just use ranger at that point

[storm heron]

but ranger can't slow

[late flame]

@normal loom you can check pinned message for what to get for new year invite

[whole crypt]

why slow when you can just proc assault carrier and a couple quick takeoffs

[normal loom]

Thx

[late flame]

just need some blessing from Really Nice Girl or reset

[storm heron]

idk people recommend ranger now

noted, though

[left cedar]

just infinite proc RNGer skills and u dosnt need to care about slow 🧠

[slow fox]

Thanks to dfg, I've obtained CN eHP. I've just spent the past 3 hours translating, and I've produced some results.

[storm heron]

eHP4 = (CN eHP + eHP3) / 2

[slow fox]

They use Eugen as 100.41% , like how we use Portland as 100%.

[left cedar]

why 100.41 ?

[slow fox]

I have no idea.

[sharp socket]

[slow fox]

Here's some comparisons between CN eHP and EN eHP.

Blue means we agree. White means we disagree. Negative numbers means EN thinks the ship is tankier.

[storm heron]

also what should I even do if for some reason warspite keep sinking my shinano

[slow fox]

Discussion a while ago about shields had me consider shields to be somewhere on the scale of 1-3% contributions to eHP.

[elfin hollow]

How to obtain retrofit ship

[slow fox]

CN has their shields contribute like....20% to eHP.

[left cedar]

i doubt alot on that ...

specially with ones that is per number of hits, not by HP%

[slow fox]

Oh, "shields" in this case DOES mean the per number of hits.

[faint cloud]

Directly communicate with them?

[storm heron]

If on hard CM, the warspite keep sinking my shinano even though I only have one compulsory "failure", what should I do?

[slow fox]

I've kind of been doing that, using dfg as a middleman to their middleman.

[slow fox]

Comparison of shield calcs between CN and EN.

[sharp socket]

well mebot probably cant chinese very well, and the CN people also cant english very well

[storm heron]

time for mebot to chinese

[storm heron]

I think I see why, I sync CV at 20s to make the pew pew gone

[slow fox]

In the ship tab (whre you equip their gear), there's an icon you can click to enter the retrofit UI.

[left cedar]

so i'm aligned with ur Shields Calcs, cuz 20~% seens too cope for me

[slow fox]

Also, CN calcs use a per-battle-basis to determine ship eHP, meaning that it's valid per situation.

My calcs use an ensemble average calculation.

CN calcs include full tech, and possible considerations for cats.

For IX ships, they don't include 3-gear configurations.

I think they DO account for the slash-thing (that destroys bullets).

[left cedar]

so IX ships weaker than they might be
and in general CN Calcs arent aimed for begginers

since all ships lvled for full tech seens ... wild even for some veterans

[slow fox]

Finally, they do their skill considerations as uptime averages of skill strengths.

Which was exactly how I did it in eHP2.

[slow fox]

In their per-basis calculation, they weigh the FP, AA, and TRP damage from enemies depending on pre-tuned ratios per boss. Currently, they assume all incoming damage is FP damage.

[left cedar]

all dmg is FP is kinda ... dumb at my opinion, since i feel the biggest dmg in W14 and W15 or are TRP or AA

[slow fox]

Their spreadsheet is configurable.

FP/TRP/AA

They have 80/0/20

70/0/30

30/30/40

45/45/10

22/3/75

and so on

I think they do the uptime for the skills pretty okay-ish.

My belfast has 10% smokescreen uptime, as do theirs.

I think the only part of their calc I disagree with is how they do their shields.

Their calcs, like mine, don't consider burning, flooding, collision damage.

[slow fox]

More like:

CN eHP ~ eHP2

Honestly, super robust imo.

They can probably do eHP3-like better than I can.

[faint cloud]

what it means that assuming all damage is FP

[white agate]

damage can be trp or avi too i think?

[nocturne glade]

already have enty, save until I need AA or another BB?

[slow fox]

That's a type of scaling that the game uses to deal damage.

Like, your CVs deal AVI damage, your BBs deal FP damage, and your DDs deal TRP damage (usually).

The enemy also has those types of bullets when attacking you. For most of Azur Lane, it's firepower.

[nocturne glade]

congratz

[glossy ruin]

[late flame]

also #trophy-room

[sharp socket]

id say wait for monthly reset in medal shop and pick either sandy or hood depending on which you don't have

[nocturne glade]

ah makes sense, only a week away anyways. Ty!

[sharp socket]

if you have other BBs then prob not hood

[atomic abyss]

@glossy ruin please keep all such posts in #trophy-room. Thanks.

[white agate]

is barracuda the fastest general use torpedo bomber?

[sharp socket]

breguet is faster

[white agate]

thanks

[atomic abyss]

Not the true fastest TB, but yeah

You don't actually use the fastest one

[sharp socket]

breguet is very fast and also good

[storm heron]

fastest tb like tbm avenger?

[atomic abyss]

Tbm avenger is the opposite

It's dreadfully slow lol

The fastest is the purple albacore

[sharp socket]

[storm heron]

oh the formi plane

80 rld, is this good enough for warspite?

[boreal wagon]

what in gods name did u do to break my numbers

[atomic abyss]

Warspite doesn't need a freeze I'm assuming so it shd be fine

[storm heron]

the main problem I think is just the rng since I got some "failure" cause I am using eld/kaza/unzen instead of guam/kaza/unzen

[white agate]

is VH armor a good idea to improve ranger survability?

[atomic abyss]

No

[storm heron]

I think I tried like 1 trillion reload before, not sure if that's the problem

[boreal wagon]

im more so talking about the NaN

[atomic abyss]

It wouldn't help
Ranger is usually either dying to planes or suicide boat/subs
VH armour wouldn't help against those

Those are flat damage

[storm heron]

ok now it's fixed

[atomic abyss]

AA radar would help against suicide planes tho

[boreal wagon]

what did u change (i need to know lol)

[storm heron]

I bound the scroller of purple equip to +11

[white agate]

yeah, that could work; tho main problem is that here 20% of my b3 run fails due to suicide boat killing ranger i think

[sinful escarp]

can i have a link to this site? i didnt know this existed

[storm heron]

cause I was wondering what would happen if I made beacon +12, and it was just boring NaNs

[boreal wagon]

oh wtf it doesnt validate that

i wish people would tell me when there is things going on that are obviously wrong rather than have me find out this way smh

[nocturne glade]

i think its the one on Lars' profile

[sinful escarp]

ohhh thanks

[storm heron]

I thought it was intentional

it's not a bug, it's a feature

[boreal wagon]

why would making things that are capped to +11 able to go higher be intentional

[storm heron]

anyways Lars do you do CM?

[boreal wagon]

no

[storm heron]

or literally anyone doing CM?

[plain saffron]

no

[late flame]

i didnt bother since i'm not using cats and has no rainbow torps

[sharp socket]

im too lazy ask suchi

[storm heron]

shouldn't have done it this late when literally nobodies online

[plain saffron]

read his guide

[obsidian ivy]

Is there any time where you'd use kearsarge (with I guess Yk2) with nakhimov

[drifting light]

Team building help

[atomic abyss]

That is the current best anti light CV comp

.... assuming you need the slow ofc

[obsidian ivy]

[elfin hollow]

How do flapjack and LA compare against heavy armor which does more damage

[whole crypt]

I'm leaning towards Rumey for the third ship instead of Nakhimov

[storm heron]

same

[faint cloud]

#gameplay-help message

[elfin hollow]

alright thanks, so it's better ig

[whole crypt]

a lot better off the top of my head

[lilac ivy]

Is there a barrage skill damage equation I can look at? I’m trying to see what type of damage thundering seal does at level 10 and what affects it besides level

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine

[lilac ivy]

Ty. Google let me down

[weak shell]

so TL;DR: make 7 La-9, ty

shouldn't be that hard, you ending with at least 4 by PR8, 5 if you tunnel like I do

[sharp socket]

you cant even use 7 at once

not to mention thats like a 2027 goal

[weak shell]

never know when USS get a banger UR CV and turns their anti-light into anti-heavy

[weak shell]

think it more depending on whether PR8 have banger UR gear or not, like PR6 have kinda nothing? I made 3 guns and I don't even use them

[slow fox]

rare bullimod in alo

[whole crypt]

my honest opinion is you'll probably be fine with 4 La-9s

if you can make 5 that's great, if you don't make 4 that's also not the end of the world

[late flame]

i took forever just getting 2 La9s

[left cedar]

me with 99/50 La-9

[elfin hollow]

guys any advice?

I did retain Uni because people tell me she's essential

[storm heron]

Absolutely annoying challenge mode, how much time average does BB comp take?

[storm heron]

I would suggest reading the beginner's guide in order to choose better ships

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/

my biggest advice is to be aware that using a faction fleet isn't necessarily good

at my rate, I would probably get a La9 every 2.5 months

[elfin hollow]

ayt ayt

thank god I have some of the ships available, mostly lvl. 1's so it'll take time before I can have them ready for node 6

[rare wyvern]

Is the last retrofit of Tai Yuan worth making ? The Main Fleet Mode, it adds like 1100 HP but loses 41 EVA

[crimson glacier]

it makes her backline unit

and its a toggle, DDGs are much better on frontline

[rare wyvern]

Oh basically you pay 200 every time you want to toggle ?

[crimson glacier]

yes

[rare wyvern]

Ah got it, thank

[crimson glacier]

tho if you could get that hp on frontline it would absolutely be worth it lol

[errant fog]

Between NJ and Ulrich, whos better for mobbing in Opsi?

[crimson glacier]

imo uvh

[errant fog]

tq

[soft raft]

UvH cuz there's no ammo mechanics in OpSi so she can freely use her gimmick

[storm heron]

[nimble rapids]

guys is there a setting i can turn on so it auto retire rare ship or bellow after combat ?

[soft raft]

No such option exists during sorties

[shrewd gazelle]

Is this thing good?

[soft raft]

Very good
Of course provided she's MLB

[elfin hollow]

Yes she covers everything

[night crow]

Anyone know who can synergies with Fritz to make her slow stronger ?

[soft raft]

She has a slow?

[night crow]

Yeah I know even with the buff it's only 60%

[shrewd gazelle]

So max lmb and level her ig

[elfin hollow]

Definitely, she's worth it

[elfin hollow]

Bismarck

[rapid grail]

thing? anyways all URs are good in at least some degree

[soft raft]

Last time I checked, Bismarck's faction buff doesn't buff skill effects

[rapid grail]

the UR DDs are all monsters in PvE

[elfin hollow]

Did you even read what the guy asked lmao

[soft raft]

No did You?
He was asking about her slow utility

[shrewd gazelle]

Bette than max lmb shinano, shim, vanguard and implacable. Wondering where to put all my bulins

[elfin hollow]

This shows you don't read lmao

[night crow]

Well Fritz needs someone to inflict a pull effect to make it go from 30% to 60%, that's what I was asking if I wasn't clear

[rapid grail]

that someone is BisZwei and her black hole

[elfin hollow]

Yes, bismarck 2 pulling effect buffs her from 30 to 60% slow

[soft raft]

Definitely better than Shimakaze
Shinano, Vanguard, and Implacable fulfill different purposes and aren't even the same hulltype so direct comparison isn't as quantifiable

Better to show your URs so we have a idea of how close they all are to MLb

[elfin hollow]

Well she still needs to be fully tested because no one has all of her skills maxed out yet, but she is very impressive

[night crow]

Quite a shame I don't have her then

[elfin hollow]

Her rerun is gonna be this upcoming year I believe

[night crow]

Yeah May or June though..., Might still use AvP for the moment then

[elfin hollow]

Of course, avp on her own slows down the enemy entirely so you can sync her with rumey

[dreamy blade]

also momo and charybdis

[soft raft]

Sure I didn't know that existed since I've been busy, but If imma be real, you also didn't add in 2/Zwei to specify you were talking about Bismarck Zwei not OG which was what I interpreted it as

[night crow]

What but AvP is a slow not a pulling effect, that still works ?

[soft raft]

More like her freeze is better than Rumey's slow
Tho she needs FS5 to have 100% Proc chance

[elfin hollow]

no avp doesn't do any pulling effect, but avp slows down the enemy 100% so you're gonna hit with her and rumey

[dreamy blade]

oops it's lala not momo that has the vacuum

[night crow]

Ah, yes, very logical

[elfin hollow]

🧠 big brain

[soft raft]

Prio to FS5 AvP's proc chance for the freeze is iirc like 60% max

[night crow]

I got FS5 no problem

[soft raft]

Pog

[tough shuttle]

Damn yo, is oil so scarce after you run out of the initial batch?

[rapid grail]

does charybdis and lala's succs count for rumey's slow to be buffed?

[night crow]

Yep, we we're just saying so

[elfin hollow]

We get oil every maintenance as a reward + daily commissions + weekly 4k oil for free etc

[soft raft]

Oil doesn't really become as bad of a issue after you start grinding oil cap stages

/oilcap for what I mean

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[tough shuttle]

Yeah I am aware of that but thanks. I am only W6 now xd

[night crow]

Also don't forget to check your storage under mails, all oil from mails get put there

[soft raft]

You'll just have to suck it up for the time being then 💀

Granted it's better than before since the free weekly 4k didn't exist for quite a while

[tough shuttle]

Yo WTF hard mode on 5-1 is actually HARD

Portland lost 75% HP on first mob fight

[late flame]

gear,levels issue

[soft raft]

Sounds like a lvl/limit break/gear or all three issue

[tough shuttle]

Also what do you spend coins on usually?

[night crow]

your upgrading everyhting gradually as I can see exepct for your skills, up those

[tough shuttle]

Like I have read the shop priority guide but is there something besides that and LB?

[night crow]

Otherwise up everything else bit by bit

[soft raft]

4 lvl disadvantaged and not MLB
Gear is pretty meh too but not much you can do about it this early in the game

[soft raft]

Portland doesn't really need to upgrade her skills

The sister buff is completely useless and her defense one doesn't really need to be upgraded

[rare wyvern]

What happens if I have all the crystals of Hipper META and she drops again on D3 ?

[soft raft]

You get META shop crystals instead

[night crow]

Oh yeah forgot about the sister one

[tough shuttle]

Yeah that seemed to be the case to me too.

Also what do I do with my meta stuff I found? I have like 100 shop mats and some others

[soft raft]

Just ignore that for now

The META ships there are pretty bad for basically any practical uses

[tough shuttle]

Okay :/

Cuz I gotta say, Ranger SUCKS. I would love to go back to my Graf but ppl said shes better than graf

[soft raft]

She's cheaper to raise than Graf
And if RNG is in your favor, Ranger could absolutely demolish most early game content, but it's exceedingly uncommon

Hence why some people call her RNGer

[storm heron]

well good thing I recommended graf back then

[left cedar]

probally its ironic, cuz RNGer needs tons of luck to reach GZ DMG Lvl

[late flame]

Really Nice Girl

[storm heron]

it's whatever though, it is what it is

[tough shuttle]

Yeah you were only one in favor

[storm heron]

:smolmagisantasleep:

[left cedar]

also, being a KMS focused player, and a past best KMS Skk around, GZ its quite bad compared to others SRs CVs

[soft raft]

I would've opposed Graf either way anyways since the valuable SR Bullins could be used on a more worthwhile SR than Graf

[late flame]

i.e. Enty or Hood

[little tree]

Graf would of been replaced very fast

[tough shuttle]

I also wanna go KMS because idk I went Enty + Illustrious when I played 5 years ago. What does "SRs CVs" mean

[left cedar]

golden Aircraft Carriers

[tough shuttle]

Ahhh SR as in rarity

[little tree]

Full faction fleets are not very viable

[soft raft]

SR = Gold rarity
Or SSR if you're on the JP Client

[late flame]

gold CV (aircraft carrier)

[left cedar]

also Lusty is bad in GZ lvl

if u wanna KMS CV, them its ur time, go for Rumy

[soft raft]

Honestly the path of a Iron Blood faction fleet is prob the most difficult one

Namely because they have no good healer

[left cedar]

she is niched, but ALOT more usefull than GZ

[late flame]

whatever faction bonus you get is not worth over the benefits of bringing actual good ships to the fleet

[sinful escarp]

does high efficiency thing help lower lethal level faster? (i forgot what its called)

[left cedar]

and i hope they stay in that way, no heal its a just nice

[soft raft]

No
Anything that requires X amount of runs won't be deducted faster with the 2x plans

[late flame]

HELP only combines 2 runs into 1 , i.e. it is a time saver if you lack play time

[tough shuttle]

I dont need full faction fleet just something that works together to get me to FtG

I hope I got the shorthand for that boat right

[left cedar]

FdG i supose

[tough shuttle]

SHIT, I was close tho

[late flame]

FDG
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Friedrich_der_Große

[little tree]

Purple ships are best you get 3x as many purple bullins

[gaunt oracle]

what do i do exactly do get more sr materials for gear lab

[dreamy blade]

grind more opsi

[tough shuttle]

Also can someone explain to me why my Helene is carrying damage SO hard? Like 12k vs other shops 3k tops. They all have purple +6 guns

[gaunt oracle]

no specific area or anything?

[left cedar]

wut u have of KMS
u already unlock her research ? or u still need tech ?

[left cedar]

seens like shit gear, also u dont hope ur VG do the dmg, its ur Main ships job do that

rare exceptions and niched places will do dmg instead Main

[tough shuttle]

Uhhh. Huh? Idk I just unlocked research yesterday and started doing Roon. FdG is quite far right?

[little tree]

Hinden 🍔

[dreamy blade]

assuming you already clear all strongholds/abyssals/arbiter then no, spend ap refills grinding a c3 zone

[tough shuttle]

Uhhhhhhh what my back fleet is supposed to be doing dmg? xddd They never do anything, on bosses few k maybe

[left cedar]

show ur dock sortied by KMS ships

[left cedar]

seens like bad gearing or really early game to me ...

[tough shuttle]

I just entered world 6 on day 4

[gaunt oracle]

what am i missing out dude 💀 all ive been doing is zones wdym stronghold

[left cedar]

so kinda early + bad gearing cuz early game

[tough shuttle]

BTW is this bad or good

[left cedar]

here, follow this
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[storm heron]

graf zep ib tech and free 2M exp for grinding towards the 1.2M agir + 3M AvP + 3.6M fdg

[dreamy blade]

the red swirlys on the map, costs 200 ap to enter

[tough shuttle]

Yeah I went through all the guides on that dudes website

[left cedar]

avg i supose ?
but yeah, more toward good than bad depending on how much time u spend playing

[tough shuttle]

I grinded the hell out of it I was limited by commander level from doing W6 until now

[gaunt oracle]

ohhh i havent cleared all zones yet nvm i dont have that stronghold thing yet

[left cedar]

u wanna go fast as u can to W12, cuz oil limit cost and clear rewards to help u sustain ur early/mid game

[dreamy blade]

w9*

[tough shuttle]

KMS = Iron Blood right?

[spring bolt]

not bad at all, my alt for test purpose entered ch 6 on day 3
but early game progression doesn't matter much so take it easy

[left cedar]

its pure shitty and waste of time spend ur oil and life time on W9 cuz is shittier than W12 by a large margin

following newbie tips from Sam guides it will be enough to fast push to W12

[tough shuttle]

I know but my ships are shit and my pulls even shittier. I got 4 legendaries out of 80 event builds -> Graf, Duisburg, Victorious and Interpid

[dreamy blade]

you can get to w12 without a single legendary ship

[left cedar]

Desu is easy to MLB and have a decent amount of Tech, same goes to other purples,
rn we are in a KMS Event, so build in event and hope for Fritz Rumey

in this event u can get Scharn and Gnei

wut will help u to farm FdG XP

[tough shuttle]

"wut" = ?

[storm heron]

where to get scharn and gnes from event?

[left cedar]

every PR/DR ship need to farm XP to complete they research and get them in ur Dock

[spring bolt]

~~well if you are day 1 or day 2 into the game i will suggest you to reroll for event limited rainbow ship, but others may bonk me for that ~~

[storm heron]

I'll bonk

[tough shuttle]

Desu is something I have or?

[remote quarry]

[left cedar]

Deutschland

Desu it means something like "I'm Maso" in JP

[tough shuttle]

Oh okay

[little tree]

~~Gamba the cubes away i say ~~

[tough shuttle]

So I use her in my main fleet or just for the LB? Also how do I level other ships besides main fleet efficiently? I went through 8k oil on B1 event yesterday and barely got 10 lvl on main fleet

[left cedar]

finish my 3x grind and i will answer u that

[left cedar]

Desu its VG ship, i dont recommend u to focus in PR Farm rn, its extreme costly do that early game outside oil cap maps

[tough shuttle]

Okay so I stick to this setup until a get a good pull and try to push W9 then W12

[left cedar]

once u reach W12 u can start ur grind focusing get whatever u wanna, b4 that its just to costly Oil, Coins and life time

[storm heron]

wiki not updated

[spring bolt]

b1/d1, only geni

[left cedar]

its only Gnei ?

my bad so

[spring bolt]

according to CN wiki
well let me double check

[left cedar]

not doubting, maybe i just made some mistake wut can be really common once its about me

[storm heron]

gnes not updated

I mean I have never seen her, but rng might just screw with me

[spring bolt]

no you reminded me, CN/EN might have drop differences, so for CN, only geni in b1/d1
need to confirm if it's same in EN

[tough shuttle]

Guys I just got a steam cata, do I put it on Unicorn or Ranger?

[sharp socket]

uni

[tough shuttle]

Purple cata to +4 or more?

[storm heron]

time to retire as the sharpest toll in the sheet

[storm heron]

+6 is fine

I'll argue gz > ranger tmr

if I remember or I care

[sharp socket]

you can just bump them to +8

[storm heron]

purple plate difficult

[sharp socket]

though i have like 10 at +10

[trim tapir]

Is the taihou meta boss heavy armor ?

[storm heron]

hebi

[left cedar]

invest so hard in purple cata is a waste imo

[tough shuttle]

BTW my stats usually look like this

[dreamy blade]

i've been playing for 3 months and still only have 6 gold catas

[sharp socket]

when shes the only one MLB in that frontline then yes that happens

[tough shuttle]

I have penny MLB too

[dreamy blade]

looks like you finished the stage before she even got to fire

[sharp socket]

then you're killing the enemy faster than she fires

[left cedar]

kinda Penny its also MLB, but probally not +10 gun and a really old BB ... so yeah, abyssal low RLD

[tough shuttle]

Yeah I dont +10 purple right?

She has the good gun tho

[left cedar]

depends, Twin 410 (purple) or 406 Mk6 irs worth it to +10

[worldly pewter]

if the fight ends quickly it is normal for the vanguard to take the mvp

[dreamy blade]

for some purple you can, although at that early in the game i wouldnt

[left cedar]

pretty much all gold guns for BBs is shitty when they came from box

[dreamy blade]

multiple +8 better than just a couple +10

[storm heron]

ranger most of the time doesn't even launch airstrike it seems

so's penn

[tough shuttle]

Okay now penny hit 3 ships at once with all 3 barrage shots and its 9k dmg vs Helena 12k

[left cedar]

i doubt, i will go for all in +10 gud gears in Enty than +8 in bunch of ships

[rapid pivot]

why does she have 3 arms

[left cedar]

[dreamy blade]

thats the chair

[storm heron]

visual illusion, one of the reason I pass

too creepy

[late flame]

also, belongs more at #al-general

[upper jasper]

hello how i can buy gems from upi ?

[storm heron]

correct, go to al gen if u want to ask about skins

[upper jasper]

al gen channel or website ?

[spring bolt]

no he was commenting the previous guy, not you
sadly seems nobody here now has used upi, you might need to wait for a while and see if anyone knows about it

[upper jasper]

ok understood

[quartz nest]

Was there any in game christmas gift?

[worldly pewter]

i found 2 construction accelerators in the mails

[tender lotus]

[soft raft]

No

[novel solstice]

You'll get your gifts at LNY...

[soft raft]

Christmas isn't as big in China as it is in the US

New years on the other hand

[vale halo]

is Fritz best CL gun is same with other CL ships?

[sharp socket]

AA gun is better on her for almost all cases

[soft raft]

You got proof?
Cuz I've mostly heard CL gun

The only time I've heard AA was for boss fleet

[verbal thistle]

Why's Yostar asking me to bind my acc to a Yostar acc when it's alr bound to Twitter? Are they not using FB/Twitter logins anymore?

[vale halo]

w8 why AA gun

[soft raft]

iirc they plan on phasing out Facebook/Twitter
They recently put out their own platform where you can keep track of all your Yostar binds

[verbal thistle]

Alright, I'll create an acc then. Thank you.

[vale halo]

kinfs confuse isnt her gimmick is her CL gun

[sharp socket]

#gameplay-help message you can start reading from here if youd like, tldr only her ghost CA gun is doing anything and the CL gun slot is just a statstick for the CA gun

and thus more useful to have AA there like staag which directly helps her main source of damage being the planes

and also the CA gun too

[vale halo]

so ghost CA gun also penetrated sheild?

@sharp socket

[sharp socket]

i have no idea about that specifically

[tender lotus]

Any info for tmrw maintenance duration?

[wind hazel]

8hrs

[sharp socket]

idk how shield mechanics work

[tender lotus]

icic thx

[wind hazel]

check the patch notes #game-news for more info 😭

[still merlin]

what do I get if I got more than 5 same meta ship?

[vale halo]

tbh thats CL gun might be usefull for Trash mobs in Operation siren thats why im also tempted to use CL gun

[still merlin]

what does it convert into?

[sharp socket]

you get meta shards

which you can use to buy stuff in the meta shop

[still merlin]

I mean I already have 4 shards but if I drop more, what does it convert into?

[wind hazel]

crystal fragments

10 of them, not many

[vale halo]

Fritz have condition in pulling effect does that mean shes good pair with bisko zwei?

[sharp socket]

yes but also no

[vale halo]

i dont remember any of ships having pulling effect besides bisco

[tender lotus]

Zwei

[sharp socket]

it works with bzwei, but its also a shit effect

[wind hazel]

zwei lala(?) and charybdis

but i doubt they are gonna be utilized together anyway

maybe some w15 shenanigan at best, probably

[vale halo]

shit effect?

[storm heron]

it can be ignored safely

no need to build around that (for now)

[vale halo]

i guess ill just use fritz for trash mobbing in opsi and occasionally meta boss lol

[bright tusk]

How strong is d30 napoli damage & toughness?

[storm heron]

damage not really anything notable, toughness like no.1

[vale halo]

soo if im understanding either you equip cl or AA gun fritz will always have a CA ghost gun?

[storm heron]

yes

[thorny surge]

Only cl gun if I'm not wrong

Or no

[storm heron]

huh rly...

[vale halo]

someone says CL gun is just stat stick for her CA ghost gun

[spring bolt]

she will always have the ghost ca gun

[vale halo]

i see hope it penetrates the shield lol thats the most annoying part of CA guns

[spring bolt]

suchi says staag gives her more damage in boss fights

[vale halo]

yeah cuz it has hit stats so it make sense since shes a CV

[storm heron]

goofy cv

[vale halo]

nothing is more depressing that CL and CA getting cuckblock by a shield lol

[vale halo]

tbh i just want her 8% dmg taken buff

[dapper willow]

yo how do i get to talk to the other shipgirls on juustagram?

[rapid grail]

fritz is bad in opsi mobbing, you want fast load fleets there. the UR CVs are bad in this department
she's good in meta bossing tho, so you can find use for her

[vale halo]

tbh i just dont want to use BBs also in opsi trash mobbing

my main use there is Prinz Rupp, Ulrich, Unicorn and call it a day

but i just dont want to deal BBs animations

[rapid grail]

indepkai, aquila/bearn meta/luna and unikai are there

[vale halo]

luna?

oh the DOA ship

[rapid grail]

currently running indepkai aquila unikai and it clears strongholds when geared right. just that good, you should be using CVs in general when it comes to OpSi mobbing

[vale halo]

i guess ill try to max aquila lol

[rapid grail]

457mm nj and 460mm uvh are good as well but i don't like them just because of the bb rld animation every time they fire

[dapper willow]

is fritz like... any good?

[vale halo]

i just hate that BBs animation does'nt have turn off options

[dapper willow]

or duisburg for that matter other than just being eye candy?

[soft raft]

She's good yee
just has more competition than Z52

Duisburg id say is pretty average outside of being FP Tech

[vale halo]

UR gacha units will always be good

[glossy granite]

Yo guys how good is Fritz rumey cuz i just got her 😅

Better than shinano and unicorn or not?

[rapid grail]

fritos is worth building, she's good
duisberg, idk i don't read what SR frontlines offer at all

[dapper willow]

better than enty?

[soft raft]

Looking to be a solid Anti-light/med CV and top tier W15 support

She doesnt really overlap with Shinano and Unicorn does a completely different job than her

[whole crypt]

so this is what you meant when you said chips and arrays

[rapid grail]

if you can build her, yes

[dapper willow]

build her?

[vale halo]

we have more options in CV boss fleet tbh its just not only tied to Shinano Haku and Amagi comp

[dapper willow]

wdym by "build her"?

[mental marlin]

would this be an okay team? (dont mind level and lb)

[glossy granite]

How do you categorize her 🤔

[soft raft]

OG Bismarck is trash
Peter strasser is trash
Sirius is decent in Operation Siren
Tallin is decent but easily replaceable

And with where you currently look like to be, that's a absolutely terrible fleet

[mental marlin]

man i thought i would cook

but i guessed i am cooked

[vale halo]

well if you dont have any ships or leveling mats you cant do much about it

[soft raft]

Give this a read if you havent already
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[mental marlin]

but i didnt know that og bis is trash

[mental marlin]

nah i am not in early game, i just wanted to try something for fritz

[soft raft]

her only purpose is to buff Iron blood ships
which [Insert obligatory "Faction fleet bad" statement here]

[vale halo]

yeah shes outdated ships since shes one of the early ships released

[inland shoal]

Tbf that backline could work in some very specific bossing context. But it still won't be great

[dapper willow]

speaking of fleet, how's this?

[soft raft]

even with how scufffed Peter is?
Prob would've taken my chances with Pre FS5 AVP instead

[mental marlin]

ok, then i will ignore bis and peter

[inland shoal]

Peter is just there for faster CV launches

[dapper willow]

enty, z23 and bre still kick ass

[soft raft]

Warspite retro is outdated shit
Bremerton could be replaced with a better tank
And Takao( or Atago?), is easily replaceable

Bruhilde isnt too bad
tho iirc she needs flagship

[dapper willow]

sometimes i use sandy instead of takao

although warspite retro's still doing me good

[inland shoal]

If the boss moves during your airstrikes that fleet won't work yes, so as I said only very specific context. Peter's faster launches buff is also only really useful if you get an additional rotation or some specific timing from it

[vale halo]

warspite is not that great cuz we have alot of options that is better than her and its SR

[soft raft]

Yeah
Warspite retrofit hasn't been relevant since like 2019

[soft dagger]

why not amagicv instead of alsace?

[vale halo]

she ages like a milk tbh

[mental marlin]

ok is this fleet better? should i replace eldridge for agir and should i replace chapayev with sirius/z52/mogador?

[dapper willow]

then what do you recommend?

[whole crypt]

because Alsace kills the boss before it kills your vanguard

[soft raft]

Hood/Unicorn/Enty

[whole crypt]

and of course also a much better crossfleet

[zinc prairie]

u guys have any fleet comp for solo Stronghold Clear?

[whole crypt]

pretty easy depends on what you have though

[soft raft]

For example Musashi/UniKai/Aquila (Preload) Brest/Unzen/Hindenburg is what I use

[dapper willow]

@soft raft

[soft raft]

#gameplay-help message

[dapper willow]

you didnt ping me so i didnt see it my b

[glossy granite]

Guys ik my account is really mid but which ships to prioritize and work on?

[dapper willow]

also is hood still relevant? others said to take it off because it wasnt

[soft raft]

Portland and Unicorn's retrofits are pretty high prio

As for the fleet, Hood/Unicorn/Ig Perseus Portland/Laffey/Helena

[dapper willow]

also is alsace any good?

[zinc prairie]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1315710938606862477 i have here my current ships

[eager mulch]

[soft raft]

She's still quite relevant
Very good early game BB, fulfills BC requirements in Hard mode, and her unique Aug gave her barrage a 100% proc chance

[soft dagger]

if the mob fleet can survive without alsace crossfleet take amagicv instead. shes cheaper

[dapper willow]

whats the final thing i need for the modernization of uni

i need that final bit in the retrofit, it is just a bulin?

[soft raft]

A purple bullin or a dupe Unicorn

[whole crypt]

FdG/Unicorn/Independence/Neptune/Sandy/Unzen

[whole crypt]

even if the mob fleet can make it the boss fleet won't

[dapper willow]

i retrofitted uni, anyway so is alsace or NJ good?

[soft raft]

Alsace better

[dapper willow]

better than hood?

[whole crypt]

unless you're telling me Amagi's 1 airstrike can deal more than 2 rounds of shelling from Alsace

[glossy granite]

Sometimes i wonder was it worth getting the UR's at all lol, Perseus is better than Shinano?

[soft dagger]

what is downes aux?

[soft dagger]

ok give me some time

[dapper willow]

blaster is the alsace better than hood?

[soft raft]

They do different things
Also yes URs are good, but not when they aren't MLB

In the meantime it's better to raise cheaper ships instead of using a UR that's lacking parts of their kit

[soft raft]

Yes, but Hood still has her uses
Esp if you're working on a second fleet and don't have enough better BBs raised

[bold cove]

It depend, but if you had amagi Cv, shinano is a plus, use together every CV boss fight

[glossy granite]

Fair ig, Now i got 3 meta aircraft carriers that all do 3 different things lol

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure what you're trying to cook
for 1 the boss fleet vanguard is a 0LB DD that's supposed to just survive until Alsace kills in 2nd salvo
secondly you're really not saving a lot of oil for something that'll probably be less consistent

[glossy granite]

4 actually but yea

[whole crypt]

also that one's not happening anyway unless you awaken Foxhound to 125 because not enough levels

[dapper willow]

i have BBs, i just dont have the resoruces to bring them all up to peak performance

i will swap out warspite's stuff with alsace's, and put warspite in a different fleet

[glossy granite]

Man what to do with these 4 high tier aircraft carriers

[soft dagger]

nevermind then

[glossy granite]

Which one is cv?

[eternal moth]

The UR

[soft raft]

Purple rectangle with a plane symbol

Those are CVs aka Carriers

[glossy granite]

Oh then i think i have her

oh nvm

[lethal tangle]

Is z52 or Fritz a priority for ur bullins? Just have enough for 1 max lb for now.

[eternal moth]

Do you have Yorktown 2 yet?

[bold cove]

I mean 3 CV mainfleet, Amagi, Shinano and a random CV

[eternal moth]

Because I'd save the bulins for her if you don't, her event starts in 2 weeks.

[lethal tangle]

Yes already 125, I use her with kearsearge and implacable on opsci.

[glossy granite]

Any Elite tier ships that to look out for when you build ships?

[ornate bronze]

Is Eldridge a good DD? Shes in the merit shop now

[eternal moth]

I assume that means you have Shinano, Haku and Amagi CV maxed as well? If so, then I'd take Z52 first

Maybe try to get the second copy of Z52 from the shop and save a bulin

[soft raft]

In the build pool? Not really anything that'd be a high prio early game

Most of the relevant ones there are for pretty niche roles or fleet comps

[glossy granite]

Oh

Wait isnt San diego really meta if retrified or i am delusional?

[eternal moth]

She's not an elite

[soft raft]

She's a SR -> UR retrofit

[glossy granite]

Ye ik a bit off topic

[eternal moth]

But yes, Sandy is very good once retro, but also fairly expensive to do so

[soft raft]

The retrofit definitely buffs her gun damage to pretty solid levels

Then her unique augment buffed her damage further

[glossy granite]

Now i understand why you didnt mention her when i showed my dock lol

[lethal tangle]

Yes, I have them. Thanks for the advice.

[soft raft]

Yuh
She's Pog, but not a high focus for new players until they have a decent footing income wise

[glossy granite]

Yea man no idea what my account is cooking, its been since 2nd anniversary but a bit all over the place

[sonic canyon]

It's just a standard score.

[glossy granite]

since 2021 i have just been loggin on few times a year and summon if theres an event by coincidence

[eternal moth]

I'm trying to decide whether to take her or Hood for my secondary from the newcomer missions. I have Penny and Riche at 110 already, so I'm thinking I start working on Sandy next

[sonic canyon]

I mark a standard score with this number.

[glossy granite]

but now finally im playing this seriously

[sonic canyon]

This makes it easier to observe the differences between each role

My English is not very good hope you can understand.

[glossy granite]

Would you advise for me to buy admiral hipper meta right away? or wait till end event?

[soft raft]

if you dont have any other BCs you could consider Hood for the occasional hard mode requirement

[glossy granite]

i got 9.5k, oops wrong dude

[soft raft]

wait
see if you can get her from B/D3 or not
Tho either way she's pretty whatever ngl
Easily replaceable by better tanks

[glossy granite]

So she isnt meta just hot lol

[soft raft]

the META in Meta is a faction name, not top tier

[glossy granite]

Amazing, so she wont start over anyone on my fleet

besides my background

[soft raft]

she's probably better than Portland
but it's just not really worth the effort to raise her when you'll get Anchorage and the CBs later anyways

[keen pewter]

is this any good? it does have 4 torps so im assuming its alright

[soft raft]

Mainly used as a timing sidegrade in Operation Siren

It's converging torps so it's not as good for campaign

[keen pewter]

ah

[glossy granite]

her meta version isnt on the tier list yet, if thats reliable nowadays

[eternal moth]

Not really, they've stopped updating as regularly

[soft raft]

ECTL hasnt been updated since like July

[keen pewter]

cuz its a relatively long load time

[glossy granite]

Warra knowledge from me man, outdated ass info from 2nd anniversary 😂

[keen pewter]

wait no it isnt

[remote quarry]

August 4th was their last update, but even then they were only catching up to PR 6 ships

[keen pewter]

im a bit not there in the head nvm

[glossy granite]

Me aswell with the outdated info

What are the reliable sites nowadays for these stuff?

[remote quarry]

And they get really touchy about it when you mentiin it (or bring up Jimmy) in their discord.

[soft raft]

the Chinese tierlist is more up to date but they have a different method of doing things than ECTL

Best bet is to just ask here

[atomic abyss]

Oh? They seriously are?

No wonder rice made that comment about "not getting supported by the community"

They're digging their own grave

[eager mulch]

Updated prelims just yesterday

[atomic abyss]

We have an end game tier list i guess

[eternal moth]

Considering how abrasive most of the people making ECTL are, I'm not surprised.

[keen pewter]

what main gun should i be putting on sandy

[soft raft]

the bot command still only goes up to Amagi CV event tho

[glossy granite]

Slide

[atomic abyss]

/tierlist link 2

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime (Not updated)
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[crimson glacier]

to be fair

[eager mulch]

Have you even tried it

[glossy granite]

Which one of them

[eager mulch]

because it’s updated to this event now

[atomic abyss]

The second link

[remote quarry]

Yeah, I nearly got banned for defending Jimmy yesterday, saying at least he updates his tier list, even if the methodology is different.

[crimson glacier]

can you even call it english community tier list

its their community tier list

[eager mulch]

have you tried the actual -prelim command

[wind hazel]

now do -prelim

[atomic abyss]

Uh

[remote quarry]

I should just make a competitor site to ECTL. Not like I don't have the web skills to do it. And I can afford the hosting

[faint cloud]

megato t0?

[soft raft]

Oh there we go

[atomic abyss]

That is believable

[soft raft]

I mean when TEX is a UR exclusive tier for the BB category, not surprised

[atomic abyss]

And she is one of the best SR BBs

[soft raft]

Cant wait to see people once again whinge about a UR CV not being TEX

[wind hazel]

it's a preliminary...

[remote quarry]

Most tiering channels are dead, and no one there is really doing any testing anymore

[atomic abyss]

To be fair, she is like the least TEX worthy of all the UR CVs

[soft raft]

ngl even taking the prelim into account, Fritz doesnt really feel like she does anything unique enough compared to the rest of T0 UR CVs to break into TEX

Implac only did so since she's basically super AvP

[atomic abyss]

I'd go as far as to say she's the worst UR CV lol

[crimson glacier]

why

[wind hazel]

well we also have zero testing ground for her yet

at least next week we can play around in challenge mode

[faint cloud]

why not look up cn wiki aren't you chinese

[atomic abyss]

The only thing really strong about her is her loadout

[keen pewter]

great point

[remote quarry]

-500 social credit for you.

[atomic abyss]

Her slow is mostly useless

[keen pewter]

im in china rn

[crimson glacier]

what keeps yk2 above her

[remote quarry]

I can see her being good in a W15 mob fleet. Thats about it. Maybe Med armor OpSi

[atomic abyss]

The ghost CA gun should be good at debuffing boss in opsi

[sonic canyon]

你好啊

[faint cloud]

Faction

[atomic abyss]

She has a self Avi and Acc buff (just like yk2)

[crimson glacier]

faction is irrelevant

[keen pewter]

哥，这里好像不让说中文

[atomic abyss]

Oi, English

[keen pewter]

see

[atomic abyss]

It's literally in the server rules

[faint cloud]

[sonic canyon]

ok

[keen pewter]

tthats wht i just said yo! chill

[rare wyvern]

Z52 would be an upgrade replacing Scylla in my w15 mob ?

[spring bolt]

a second and third weirdo like me in 1 day, what a day

[atomic abyss]

Very likely
Remains to be seen to be sure tho

[eternal moth]

That translates to "Brother, it seems that speaking Chinese is not allowed here"

[glossy granite]

When was the last time sovetsky soyuz was available?

[atomic abyss]

The last and only time was Feb-Mar this year

[glossy granite]

Idk why but i find the northern parliament so hot

[atomic abyss]

The next time we expect is at least 2 years after that event

So at earliest, Apr 2026

[glossy granite]

Wallahi im finished

Dont cry cuz its over cry cuz it never began

[eternal moth]

Why? It just means you'll be getting the next OP ship to come along instead.

[hollow gust]

Her barrages and CA guns are very strong

Fritz is probably going to be the best campaign CV now

[glossy granite]

Man if i got her i would easily spent money on all her skins

[atomic abyss]

Her 1 skin?

[glossy granite]

yes

[upbeat wagon]

fritz?

[atomic abyss]

That looks worse than the base skin art?

[eternal moth]

I'm waiting for Fritz to be the next New Jersey where people drastically underestimated her until testing was done.

[zinc prairie]

it's alright atleast, u can't become broke like me who lost all resources trying to pull her (189/200 moment I never got her TvT)

[upbeat wagon]

her skin kinda sucks imo, doesnt have a fraction of the commander vibe

[tropic tusk]

his helping the game's income why u stopping him

[glossy granite]

I always had crazy luck with UR's 😭

[crimson glacier]

who cares about skins here

[soft raft]

almirstar is talking about Soyuz

[whole crypt]

not just Chinese basically every language besides English

[hollow gust]

You don't need testing to see her barrages and loadout

[eternal moth]

Yeah. There are links in the sidebar to other languages' official servers.

[atomic abyss]

I do think calling her best campaign CV is a fair shout

...wait what was Aquila

[crimson glacier]

did ppl underestimate new jersey?

[soft raft]

Secondary healer go brrrrr
And she's double fighter for heal mode

[keen pewter]

you get the point.

[weary gust]

I don't recall anyone underestimating New Jersey

The opposite, by a lot.

[atomic abyss]

I forgot if Aquila is CVL or CV LOL

[whole crypt]

off the top of my head aren't any for Chinese and Japanese so

[eternal moth]

Kimo lol

[hollow gust]

More like Yorktown , gph and their hate boner against campaign CVs

[crimson glacier]

i remember everyone glazing her like crazy

[soft raft]

CV

[atomic abyss]

Sorry she isn't over taking Aquila then

[weary gust]

People were still claiming NJ was the best BB after Musashi came out.

[spring bolt]

well just keep healer/support out of damage dealer ranking

[atomic abyss]

I mean think about it from a campaign perspective

[eternal moth]

Yeah, but on her release I remember quite a few people talking about her being underwhelming

[atomic abyss]

Unicorn locks out 1 slot
Aquila or volga locks out another

[crimson glacier]

are you sure you arent mixing her with vanguard

[atomic abyss]

I guess on boss?

[eternal moth]

That's ONLY for chapter 15

[soft raft]

well with Fritz having a option for a CL gun slot, she probably could deal with at least regular suicide boats while providing valueable air cover for W15

[eternal moth]

Anything prior to that she should stomp on

[atomic abyss]

Hamaal, let's be frank here
For campaign, only w14 and w15 is really relevant for an end game discussion

[whole crypt]

I'm actually not sure if Rumey's gun is enough for suicide boat duty in 15 but I also don't remember 15

[atomic abyss]

If it's w13 and prior, most decent CVs would stomp the content lol

[spring bolt]

100% 1 gun mount cl gun will do something but will not replace normal bb aux gun, where they have 3 mounts and 200%+ eff on top of 500 fp

[hollow gust]

There is nothing wrong with dropping a support CV for Fritz , offense is it own defense

[atomic abyss]

The CA gun is the one valuable for interception really

[hollow gust]

She has 8 fighters at 140%

[atomic abyss]

At that point I rather condemn her to support fleet

For almost the same effect

I still get the 8 fighters
Just without the 15% Avi and Acc buff

[soft raft]

Illustrious would prob get the boot in the support fleet comp right
cuz iirc her fighter efficency is 135% while Indomitable and Implac are 140%

[eternal moth]

Giving her only 8 planes was a weird choice, along with only 2 plane slots.

[whole crypt]

whatever man, level first worry later

[atomic abyss]

That detection gauge reset does seem useful admittedly

Like, goose, what is stopping me from just using her on support instead?

[hollow gust]

Cause it's a waste

[atomic abyss]

I get most of the same benefits, and can still use my Aquila or what not

[crimson glacier]

if you are one of the best at campaign then you are T EX

[eternal moth]

Not really the case for CVs

[remote quarry]

Nah. Campaign nowhere near as important as bossing

[crimson glacier]

i can live with that. downtier musashi

along with half the other BBs in t ex

[whole crypt]

just have separate tier lists for campaign and bossing

[soft raft]

what

also in regards to your jimmy comment, no they werent getting pissy over Jimmy being broguht up, someone else had tried to use Jimmy's miniscule amount of data to back up his shoody argument and got rightfully shit on

[whole crypt]

the whole problem forever was there's no one size fits all

[atomic abyss]

This

This is also why I basically consider ECTL to be a campaign tierlist

[whole crypt]

and when tiering for campaign maybe you know, tier for 14/15 not some ch9-13 bs

by their very own definition they're not for lategame, but they're also useless for early and midgame

[remote quarry]

Maybe when ECTL actually gets off their ass and generates some data of their own, then they can get pissy. Until then, they have 0 right to shit on people actually doing something.

[spring bolt]

is Jimmy the new Just3c?

[remote quarry]

Thats why I like the separate tier lists the CN Tier list produces. Just wish it was better designed and you know, translatable

[whole crypt]

why basically consider, ECTL is a campaign tier list

they literally to any extent imply or mention it in their guideline

[mellow cape]

The AI translant has been pretty spot on for the CN tier list lately lol

[eternal moth]

A campaign tier list that doesn't tier around the end of campaign

[quartz glen]

are there any image/pic about this in private dorm?
i want look first before buy these limited

[atomic abyss]

This

[remote quarry]

True. The way ECTL does their gear setups is vastly superior though

[whole crypt]

a campaign tier list that works for like 4 middle chapters in the game

[sleek spade]

Laffii and 52 who has more survivability? Isn’t 52’s healing quite significant?

[hollow gust]

Laffey

[atomic abyss]

Laff2 without contest
Not that 52 isn't tanky

[sleek spade]

Hmmm I see

Im still not quite sure what Mogador is good for

[atomic abyss]

Damage, loads of it

[wind hazel]

go on youtube, search Azur Lane Sirius, sort by upload date, first Thai video.

dont ask me how i know

[sleek spade]

More than laffii and 52?

[hollow gust]

[spring bolt]

mog is now the queen of gimmicks, but useful gimmicks, while have good dps

[atomic abyss]

I'm not sure for 52, but definitely more than laff2

[soft raft]

Z52 trades some tankiness for more damage

[sleek spade]

Nice!

[sterile fox]

What's the best way to use Soyuz with Admiral Navikhov?
I'm guessing that their skills synchro but I don't know what gear to use, for the third slot I'm using chalakov

[sleek spade]

Thanks for the info guys

[atomic abyss]

Last slot shd be Rumey or Amagi if you're using soy+nakh

Definitely not Chkalov

[sleek spade]

Why so specific

[whole crypt]

Hakuryuu FS5 works too, just depends on which you leave with Shinano

[atomic abyss]

The best partners really

[soft raft]

if only Chkalov's planes werent DB/DB/TB

[sterile fox]

I just did the guild boss today, and the damages were like this
Soyuz 130k
Admiral 200k
Chalakov 230k

So it wasn't bad per se

[whole crypt]

guild boss is a joke anyway

[sleek spade]

Guild boss ez clap tho

[hollow gust]

That should not happen

[sterile fox]

Sure, but my question is about Soyuz+Admiral

[atomic abyss]

Something something nyaki isn't dev 30 probably

[whole crypt]

but anyway if I had to choose I'd probably take Rumey and max that fleet against medium

[atomic abyss]

Or not properly geared

[sleek spade]

What if he doesn’t have enough la9?

[whole crypt]

BFG

[sleek spade]

That’s a lot of la9s

[hollow gust]

On most things you won't be surprised if nahkimov hits double of Soyuz and chakalov

[whole crypt]

what you don't have in La-9 for medium you just use BFGs

[quartz glen]

Oh boi, that's so SPICY innit

[sleek spade]

But BFGs feels kinda ass after I got a taste of La9

[hollow gust]

That's why it's 780 gems

[spring bolt]

is it just me or discord is glitchy after last update?

[sleek spade]

Btw is La9 worth the +13?

[atomic abyss]

Yes, but not a high priority

[runic cobalt]

Best sr only full gear for amagi cv? and best with ur gear ofc?
i have her mlb lvl120 but still not sure what to put on her

[atomic abyss]

Where's the cheeky img

[wind hazel]

this?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

Oh yeah btw

[sleek spade]

Is spearfish even worth the mats tho. Hella expensive

[soft raft]

not really

[sleek spade]

Mm ok then

[atomic abyss]

If anyone asks for "how to activate HM for the event"

The actual in game tutorial is pinned in #al-general #al-general message

[hollow gust]

For poor people not really

[sterile fox]

Here's the gear, I get what some are saying about Admiral doing little damage, I guess I'm doing something wrong with the timing but I don't know where to aim

[whole crypt]

if you can afford it it's a nice toy

if you can't then don't bother squeezing your lab mats for it

[atomic abyss]

Nakhi wrong gear as expected

[hollow gust]

There is no way that's synced

[runic cobalt]

Wyvern has more mats requirement than spearfish so nope

[crimson glacier]

i just dont see a reason to +13 either of those

[soft raft]

more like Wyvern uses Rainbow CV prints
While Spearfish uses Rainbow ordinance reports

And uh
Tenrai is most likely being added soon which would be a better use of those Ords

[sleek spade]

For boss flex slot, is La 9 better than Tenrai? Talking abt first slot on Amagi

[whole crypt]

for what boss

[sleek spade]

Heavy

[sterile fox]

What should I use then?

[atomic abyss]

For one, Nakhi has no business using a dive bomber

[soft raft]

heavily depends on the CV in question and what the rest of the comp is like (which also influences what gear they'll use to sync)

[sterile fox]

Is it important to synchro with Soyuz skill?

[sleek spade]

I see

[atomic abyss]

She should use another fighter or torpedo bomber

Which one you use depends on the enemy armour type

[atomic abyss]

If it's not synced, she doesn't proc the freeze and she doesn't get the crit buff

And her torps end up missing

And that's why her damage is lower than the DB oriented Chkalov

[whole crypt]

also slightly related seeing all those XSB3Cs hurt me

[hollow gust]

I maxed one for the shit and giggles

But yeah those things are such scams

[whole crypt]

they were good for like 9 months if you bothered pushing back then

[undone plover]

where are the in game tasks for the gachapon event

[hollow gust]

Event and scroll down

[soft raft]

at the very bottom of the events list

With no ❗ to mark it
Meryy Christmas lol

[sterile fox]

Ok, how much time should there be between Soyuz and Admiral shot/launch?

[turbid dawn]

There’s a new event? Didn’t know that

[runic cobalt]

Lil question this gear recommendation image counts for all cvs/cvls?

[soft raft]

This is mainly for Operation Siren bossing
of which you wouldnt really bother with CVLs for

[eternal moth]

Pretty much, unless the ship in question has specific requirements

[runic cobalt]

Kay ty

[upper jasper]

btw anyone use upi to buy gems let me know if u do

[rapid grail]

outside of certain niches such as opsi mobbing, Enty usage for one of the light armor METAs or painstakingly curated fleets for late campaign, nope. wyverns will do just fine

[rare wyvern]

How is Ryuuhou compared to other healers like Uni/Aquila ?

[eternal moth]

Not good

[stark quiver]

Worse

[rare wyvern]

Feels like her weird sub gimmick is not much relevant

[rapid grail]

pretty good when healing DDs and dealing with subs, both of which are covered in w14

[turbid dawn]

Isn’t she specifically better then all healers if she’s healing DD like LaffeeII?

[soft raft]

That's Volga

[rare wyvern]

Ryuuhou does three ticks of 6% of her max HP healing the lowest HP ship

[spring bolt]

zuihou is your ryuuhou+

[atomic abyss]

+- 0.2s

[sweet delta]

Ryuuhou Pro

[sweet delta]

Better use Lars calculator for that because the game reload timer on gear page doesn't account for cats and doesn't account for BB reload precisely enough

[sterile fox]

I thought they should be more separated, thanks

[trim tapir]

So how's z52?

[spring bolt]

looks like the best all rounder by far

[elfin hollow]

solid vg yea

[spring bolt]

and actually good at everything she does and can have a spot in end game contents

[sharp wave]

What ships are best for mid to late game I’m stuck at levels 90 to 100

[sterile fox]

what do you have?

[spring bolt]

what are you trying to do? like push main story contents or opsi or something else?

[trim tapir]

She tankier than Laffey II?

[soft raft]

1. What ships do you have?
2. What exactly do you define as mid game and late game?

[soft raft]

Slightly less tanky from what I've heard
but more damage in return

[soft raft]

(Aso just post your dock in a thread if you really want help)

[trim tapir]

Yea I see that she has damage debuff

[sharp wave]

I’m on main story 10-1 and I have a lot of ships I just don’t know who’s good and who’s not I can send some ss of my ships

[opaque gate]

does azur lane have any christmas related gifts/events?

[hollow gust]

Gatchapon

[coarse heron]

yeah unlike Laffey II it's possible to one shot Z52, so she's already less tanky

[soft raft]

Not really
Becuase Majuu is a Chinese company

[coarse heron]

wdym there's loads of Christmas related stuff in game

[opaque gate]

i see, maybe for chinese new year then

[soft raft]

he's talking about Gifts and events
not skins

[coarse heron]

we have an entire Christmas gacha event going on right now

[lilac ivy]

Should I put Z11 or Z23 next to z52 and Z1 or should I just give myself a smack and just go with Plymouth metaa?

[forest palm]

this literally exists
https://azurlane.yo-star.com/ChristmasGachapon/gachapon

[spring bolt]

or you can consider current event as the christmas/new year event except not much christmas element in it...

[opaque gate]

damn, these whole Z name thingies are actually confusing. anywaywhat is gachapon

[soft raft]

Z11 is dogshit no matter how you slice it
Z23 is decent but easily replaceable

[soft raft]

it's like those gumball/toy prize machines you see in walmart

[opaque gate]

are the rewards huge?

or negligible

[spring bolt]

this thing, when finished it gives you 4 cubes and some other resources

[opaque gate]

ahh thanks

[tropic tusk]

wtf didnt know theres this lol thx

[forest palm]

follow this link
#gameplay-help message

[spring bolt]

i didn't neither until someone posted it

[lilac ivy]

Z11 boosts Z52 and herself and other slot 10%. Are her stats that bad?

[coarse heron]

you guys never read #game-news huh

[coarse heron]

elite vanguard typically suck

[soft raft]

yes
if you really wanted a buffer for the Z fleet, it would be Z1 but even then it's still a meme

[forest palm]

no, cause I read the Japanese Twitter, and check out the CN News Board

EN has a problem with omitting stuff or being slow

[spring bolt]

a few days back when EN and JP releasing new skin info and CN was like dead silence

[sharp wave]

These are the ships I have

[soft raft]

Iron Blood faction fleeting
Why am I not surprised

[forest palm]

screen vomit

also Win + Shift + S is your friend

[wind hazel]

bluestacks has screenshot feature too

[coarse heron]

bro really took photos of his monitor

[wind hazel]

retrofit her

[tropic tusk]

2025 almost here people still dont know how ss works

[forest palm]

ya but I cba to remember bluestacks shortcuts

[sharp wave]

I’m working on that rn ran out of gold

[coarse heron]

Win+Shift+S is built into Windows

[rare wyvern]

Where has the alt+print screen era gone ?

[coarse heron]

Win+Shift+S is waaaaay better

that's like complaining where has the floppy disk era gone

[wind hazel]

[forest palm]

not wrong lol