gameplay-help

[boreal wagon]

as to how ship power works: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dockyard#Ship_Power_Rating

[compact helm]

tysm

[hallow mountain]

Should I buy this?

I don't have a lot of CL guns

[storm heron]

that's not a cl gun

[barren tapir]

there are good dd gun alternatives and i dont think anyone needs it for skill req anymore cos tashkent has augment

[hallow mountain]

It can be equipped

[storm heron]

CL gun means the gun equipped for the main gun of CLs

[hallow mountain]

Damn
Is it good tho?

[hallow mountain]

Yeah but I do need something at least to give my CLs

[storm heron]

hint: all CL can equip CL gun

[storm heron]

nah you don't need something that good

[rancid mural]

Which of these UR should I limit break? Or save them for york2?

[storm heron]

your CL or CA will be happy enough to have the gold DD gun farmed at 12-4

[rancid mural]

Or should I save the limit breaks for another future ship? They seem stupidly rare

[cobalt rapids]

hai chi class

[hallow mountain]

I'm a returning player btw

[eager mulch]

smh misinfo

mods ban doggo

[hallow mountain]

I haven't cleared 12-4

[storm heron]

oh come on nobody call tash gun CL gun

[storm heron]

outside events, you should've been chilling there farming ships

[hallow mountain]

Damn

Ok but should I still buy it or should I buy Independence

I like her but I don't have her

[storm heron]

but anyways you can give CLs whatever you have left after you equip all your DDs with the correct DD gun

[storm heron]

Indep ofc

[storm heron]

I would wait tbh, you need to divide 11 bulins and none of the ships have been evaluated fully on how broken or needed they are

[cobalt rapids]

i would wait till u get 2 more bulins then mlb fritz

[storm heron]

though yt2 is lower depends on your kearsarge prints

[hollow canopy]

Hey, can someone tell me, the current event about Substellar Crepuscule, how i clear the SP stage ? am i have to clear all of the hard stage or what ? because, the SP stage wont open.

[worn quest]

how good is the new UR ship?

[storm heron]

SP will open only if D3 has been cleared

and D3 will open if D2 or B2 is cleared

[hollow canopy]

ohh, so i just need to clear the D3 or all of that?

[hollow canopy]

okay, thank u so much

[storm heron]

I heard Z52 has carry level AA

I heard Z52 has some bulk and pretty good damage, so very good jack of all trades vanguard

[storm heron]

I heard Fritz is good at campaign and medium-light single target bossing

[solar canopy]

why can't i choose this one? (l2d fritz skin)

[novel solstice]

Probably because the artist ran out of time.

[solar canopy]

[storm heron]

unfinished skin?

[sinful elk]

Chat is it just me or the new update make the game much slower

[hallow mountain]

Just you, skill issue.

[whole crypt]

don't feel it

[sinful elk]

man i cant even clear sp and ex without crashing

[hallow mountain]

Runs really fine with me. Way too fine in fact, because I just found out about the 60fps option after playing the game since launch

[storm heron]

12 fps

[hallow mountain]

I never felt so smooth like butter on my potato phone before

[whole crypt]

I just play on 30fps regardless

the 60fps "smoothness" feels weird to me

[sinful elk]

Im on it

[whole crypt]

game logic doesn't even work on 60fps if I remember correctly?

[jaunty vault]

[spring bolt]

yeah game is 30 fps based

[sinful elk]

And is fritz good about her skills i saw on the wiki they look pretty short

[spring bolt]

emu boosting game to 120 fps here

[jaunty vault]

she's UR level good alright

[rancid mural]

Thanks

[storm heron]

[icy cave]

Game is 30 fps based?

[crimson glacier]

Yes it's very based

[keen pewter]

are there any useful pr3 boats

[jaunty vault]

depends on how you define useful

[keen pewter]

apart from very very specific niches

[novel solstice]

Cheshire is great for W13+ for being an AA ship. Also who can say no to a cute cat-maid?

[jaunty vault]

drake is pretty good although no one uses her cause lol hindenburg lol plymouth lol unzen

[keen pewter]

doesnt sandy just work fine

[novel solstice]

You've got a mob fleet and a boss fleet, you want good AA in both of them. So put sandy in one and cheshire in the other.

[compact helm]

do i have to complete these to claim 2nd z52?

i didnt notice this page when i claimed 1st z52

[jaunty vault]

no

[forest palm]

that's just telling you where to get the currency

[compact helm]

thanks!

[keen pewter]

oh i guess

i have cheshire already but never used her

i never really needed aa in 2nd fleet bc its a cv fleet

[jaunty vault]

well Cheshire is just one of the options

pr3 as a season has been powercrept

[forest palm]

Cheshire for the Guam-less

[bold stream]

Hello all. I just got rumey at 155 summons.

These are all my carriers. I kinda want a direction to push for.. I will MLB Rumey. Which of my other carriers are good?

[jaunty vault]

ig you could make a dedicated CV fleet with enterprise avp rumey

[bold stream]

Full carrier fleet?

What plane should she have? I heard a lot talking about La9s but I dont have those.. maybe just a corsair and helldiver?

[jaunty vault]

yeah for opsi and other bosses
you can use her in multiple fleets for different content, with a BB too

[jaunty vault]

her second slot becomes an omni slot after she is mlb

[storm heron]

lb0 rumey have 4 planes?

[jaunty vault]

for campaign, a seafang or any other 2×500lb bomber works
second slot can be sb2c helldiver for now

[bold stream]

Okay thank you!

[bold stream]

Btw, should I stop at 155 or go for 200 to get a dupe?

[jaunty vault]

purple Corsair and gold seafang are about the same, the extra AVI being the major difference

[jaunty vault]

you should stop and save cubes, there's a rerun UR event right after this

[bold stream]

Omg.. immediately after this?

[drifting pecan]

Is there any cl that had cross-fleet barrage?

[jaunty vault]

starts 9/1 iirc and if the information is correct

[jaunty vault]

no CL crossfleet, no

[jaunty vault]

you can do /crossfleet in bot spam for a list of all the ships(except latest rumey and amagi cv) with crossfleet

[bold stream]

Thanks for the info

[viral flicker]

How to get the rest

[opaque gate]

what meta dossier is the best for damage testing?

[cobalt rapids]

depends what ure testing

[opaque gate]

how about fir amagi shinani musashi as main

heavy dossier that doesnt move alot?

[warm river]

A bit late to the party but: You can choose it. It is fully functional. At least when I tested the skin, I could use it without issue. It does not give you an animation or changes her pose. What it does is it toggles the transparent part of her outfit on and off when you press the check mark button

[eager mulch]

[cobalt rapids]

what armor
pick one for the right armor type u wanna test against
the ones after repm including her are gimmicky so prob not ideal

qem is fine actually just use a meta ship to clear her knights, a backline if ure vang dmg testing or a frontline if ure backline dmg testing

[sharp echo]

nooo i dont have team 2 yet

[hushed sorrel]

daily event minigame

[lofty blaze]

Tips for fritz, where does she excel?

[eager mulch]

places where you want a lot of fighters

[barren tapir]

do you have any spare vanguard ship with some level of AA stat

you can use fleet 2 to meet requirement and try 1 fleeting it.

[sharp echo]

i do but the level is still too low, the avg level gonna lowered alot

[barren tapir]

as long as it is 91 or higher it will work

if you ditch the pennsylvania you can meet the avg level with a lvl30+ vanguard ship

with penny in, the vg would need to be around lvl60+

[sharp echo]

hmm i try check later

[hushed sorrel]

you could try to solo it with 1 team. just try to reach the min stats with the second team. sadly i cannot tell if you would be able to do that in your case

[wind hazel]

does z20/21 work to the extent as mahan DDs without mog gun?

for 0lb cases

[rough vale]

Need to hard farm coins for event rolls. Better to do 12-4 or Event D3?

[wind hazel]

event

[opaque gate]

is 410 kai the best HE sakura for musashi?

[wind hazel]

yes

[fair nimbus]

Is there anyone else other than fritz and z52 I should get in the event

[opaque gate]

ooh, so it is worth +11ing?

like, no HE gun is even better than it for musashi?

[wind hazel]

yes but im not sure if it's something you'd wanna +11 early on

[opaque gate]

okay, thanks

[wind hazel]

not sure if you'll see the difference right away especially if it's just casual farming and stuff

i only +11 mine when i went for w15 lol

[opaque gate]

nah just trying to one shot helenea meta xD

is sandy dps arguably better than helena buff for meta fights?

[wind hazel]

no

[opaque gate]

thanks

[sleek spade]

What’s a good gun for Rumey if I dont have spare ply gun?

[soft raft]

155/155 Kai

[sleek spade]

Ty

[runic bluff]

do rumey adds something to the table or still implac+shinano+haku/amagi(cv) in a cv fleet opsi fleet?

[eternal moth]

IJN fleet is better at heavy armor, Rumey is better at medium

If you only have a single CV fleet, I'd probably stick with the IJN, as they can do either one.

[stoic tulip]

Is there a sample loadout for rumey for both meta fights and Mob fleets?

[whole crypt]

did they really add the medals thing

[eternal moth]

FIghter/wyvern for mob, fighter/converging for opsi. Timing her might be interesting, I don't know how that'll work yet

[forest palm]

that was from the red button missions

[whole crypt]

looks like they're redoing event trophies a bit there

[boreal wagon]

well you get both a furni and that medal

[forest palm]

wouldn't say redoing you also get the dorm trophy, so more like adding onto

[stoic tulip]

Fighter is probably flap jack, then vit-7s for converging?

[eternal moth]

Most likely, but as I said, it'll depend on timing.

[hollow gust]

I might have finally found a reliable comp

[whole crypt]

but I already copied CN homework

[strange sphinx]

isn't Vit-7 is parallel

[eternal moth]

The variant in PR7 isn't

[wind hazel]

it's vit2

[eternal moth]

oh

[strange sphinx]

[wind hazel]

well they are both vit2.............

[strange sphinx]

Mah bad

[warm river]

Prototype VIT-2 (Mode Change) is the converging

[eternal moth]

The black one, not the silver

[wind hazel]

🥹 i hate the naming in this game

[eternal moth]

Well, dark gray, not black

[strange sphinx]

Just dark gray Vit2 and White Vit2

[strange sphinx]

the white one is more advanced in terms of design ngl

[wind hazel]

they could be 2030's spaceX most advanced rocket ship, and their name would still be shit

[strange sphinx]

who tf named their aircraft with random alphabet letters

[eternal moth]

Every country except for Britain

[strange sphinx]

Americans love Namesakes in naval warships ngl, (Idk about other military vehicles though)

[inner delta]

[strange sphinx]

[jaunty vault]

yuwuki uwu

[wanton dawn]

One can only get 4 of these per month right…?

[white agate]

no, unless you mean the ? ones?

[weary gust]

I don't know whether the selectors can drop randomly. The mg/torp/aa/avi can drop directly at random from opsi though.

[white agate]

yep, either from cat nodes or from boss node kills;its rng tho

[wanton dawn]

oh icic

what maps have higher chance of dropping random ones?

[soft raft]

Just farm C5 like usual

[white agate]

and use the sr mewofficiers with the higher levels you have while at it

[white agate]

they can drop only from C5 and above or can they drop from lower corrosion zones too?
i think i never got one in C4 and below zones, but that may be me misremembering

[wanton dawn]

ah ok ty guys

[jade heart]

Aside from fdg and uvh are there any other ships with proximity barrage

[whole crypt]

Guam's crossfleet and Hyuuga I guess? but they're kind of shit

[spring bolt]

all cat paws should be the same, only your cat rarity/level will affect the reward
in secured, number of c1c2 cat paw spawns is 0, c3c4 is 0-1, c5c6 0-2
combined with AP consumption and akashi spawn rate, c3 has best cat paw/ap rate, next is c5

[true panther]

Which ship is suitable for the new UR ship Fritz Rumey ?

[white agate]

so cat nodes of higher corrosion level do not give more % in getting a better reward
i always felt i was getting more blue materials and worse craft blueprints in C3 tho; maybe i was unlucky then

maybe c3 is done more times so more akashi spawn for better ap to keep farming?

[elfin hollow]

soyuz and nakhi

[jaunty vault]

do you guys buy the dorm supply expansion

[true panther]

So it's a full CV fleet in the back row. What about Vanguards ?

[elfin hollow]

full cvs for boss fleet and opsi yea

u could run whoever on vanguard

[spring bolt]

yes, akashi spawn rate is fixed for all secured maps, can't remember the exact number tho, 10% or 15%. so you will do c3 more times leading to more akashi spawns, and the goods she sell always have same rng

[true panther]

Can I change Nakhimov with Unicorn or Perseus ?

[elfin hollow]

2 tanks and unzen

[true panther]

Alright

[hollow gust]

When did Soyuz turn to CV

Not to mention Unzen in opsi is a glorified mobber

[elfin hollow]

idk any other alternatives

idk i like unzen in boss fleets

[hollow gust]

Should be running ships like kazegumo , Sirius , Z52, laffey II etc

Unzen is for people who’s backline can’t do damage

[whole crypt]

OS boss fights don't usually use Unzen since your anti-heavy is often CV based and the whole vanguard kind of gets oriented to CVs anyway

I guess she can go into your BB fleet but unless you're building it anti-heavy specifically a BisZwei buffed Hindenburg can change guns

[woeful moon]

Is there any website that can give out opsi team formations? (I have majority of available ships)

[jade heart]

oh, there's also tosa and royal oak when taking damage -- but I think that's it?

[hollow gust]

Better to post your dock in a thread , can’t just say you have a majority of ships when you may not be able to gear then or if they are even leveled

[woeful moon]

Well here are the images in this thread if y’all wanna give suggestions for opsi formations

[cerulean musk]

how do i get to teh C and D stages

[hollow gust]

Bottom right of the stage window, there is hard mode

[cerulean musk]

where

[brazen star]

bottom left

[cerulean musk]

oh

[oak sage]

First thing I should grind for in the event is the UR voucher right?

I assume that reaction means yes

[hollow gust]

You get more then enough to get a copy of her without trading fir vouchers

[oak sage]

Wait rlly?

[hollow gust]

It’s only if you want another copy where you trade at the end of the event

[eternal moth]

Assuming you can complete all content anyway

[oak sage]

I couldn’t find any other sources of the UR voucher apart from manjuu curling and the quests all require the gacha UR from what I read

[hollow gust]

There is a event screen for it

[eternal moth]

If you aren't able to complete all the quests you'll need to buy vouchers

[oak sage]

Damnit I can’t read

[odd cedar]

is z52 good?

[hollow gust]

Very

[rapid grail]

for the /w15 guide, what was the reasoning for mixing up bidder and g7e on each submarine in the sub fleet?? To desync their torp launches?

[oak sage]

Oh wait z52’s a dd I thought she was a sub lol

So it’s probably worth the mlb if I can’t get the gacha UR right?

[oak sage]

Actually nvm I’ll read what she does first

[odd cedar]

dang i'd need z11 to complete the missions

but i aint tryna pull that

[rough vale]

any1 have guides for w14 and 15?

[wind hazel]

check /w15

[rapid grail]

/w15 Parroting moment
what applies in w15 also applies to w14

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[fluid umbra]

What's the consensus on fritz? Is she good? What does she do?

How about Z52?

[wind hazel]

both are good, we'll probably see more z52 in action

[hollow gust]

Good CV, great barrage(finally), for single target her niche is medium , should do well in light

[fluid umbra]

Is her barrage targeted or does she want flag? Or does it not matter?

[fluid umbra]

Is she a DPS? Better shimakaze or sidegrade?

[wind hazel]

idk but her buff is way better than what shima can bring to the table

debuff

[fluid umbra]

Sounds good

[stark quiver]

How far behind is the Taiwan server

[wind hazel]

they just got Guam

[fluid umbra]

Can they fit in this fleet or no? I'm not great with fleet building

[hollow gust]

Z52 is honestly the better ship of the event

[fluid umbra]

(Taihou META bossing fleet)

Thinking about replacing sirius with Z52 but might not be a good idea

[hollow gust]

More like replacing roon u

There is no vanguard pressure in the Taihou fight

[fair nimbus]

What ship type is z52

[hollow gust]

DD

[fluid umbra]

It's supposed to be Roon not Roon u, messed up

[hollow gust]

Doesn’t change anything

[fluid umbra]

Right, so Sirius - Z52 - Helena?

[stark quiver]

Z52 tanks

[fluid umbra]

Oh

[hollow gust]

Z52 is going to tank fine, you still want a Air raid assistance and not to mention replacing Musashi with a implacable or august

[fluid umbra]

That works sure

[stark quiver]

And yea replace Sirius with kazagumo probably

[fluid umbra]

I don't have implac or august. I have fritz MLB though.

[fluid umbra]

Don't have a ship with air raid right now.

[hollow gust]

Fritz slow is useless as fuck

[fluid umbra]

Valid

[hollow gust]

If you have none of them, then just cope with Eldridge, make sure the backline is synced up for it

[fluid umbra]

My backline is synced to helena at 20s

I uh, don't have elridge either

[stark quiver]

Maybe it’s time to invest in a slow

[hollow gust]

All the dps in the world doesnt matter if you arent gonna hit anything

[fluid umbra]

Yeah I'm gonna grind exercises

I have ark royal

Don't think she's good enough but I wouldn't know

[stark quiver]

Beggars can’t be choosers
Put in ark royal

[fluid umbra]

Why is musashi not ideal by the way, she seems to be top dmg atm

I don't really understand how stuff works in depth

[hollow gust]

Cause you a fleet without a slow isn't going to hit a moving boss

[fluid umbra]

Oh okay

I just never used a slow so far so I don't know the impact of it

[hollow gust]

Torps whiff

Especially converging torpedo bombers

[fluid umbra]

Yeah I'm using ryusei because I was dumb and never made german ones

should I swap shinano for fritz or nah

[inner delta]

you swap musashi for a slow

not shinano

[fluid umbra]

Nono I meant for damage

[inner delta]

yes

unless your cv is worse than bb

cv will always have higher peak dmg vs bb

[fluid umbra]

Yeah I mean Amagi - Ark Royal - Shinano or Amagi - Ark Royal - Fritz?

Unless Fritz is exclusively for slow?

[inner delta]

amagi, ark shinano

[stark quiver]

Ark is your slow already

[fluid umbra]

Wait so Fritz is only for slow and she's a bad slow?

[eternal moth]

I assume you don't have AvP?

[fluid umbra]

No, none of the fancy slows

Only have Ark at MLB 120

[elfin hollow]

I have alien vs predator

[inner delta]

?

[hollow gust]

Fritz isn't good at heavy armor nor does she have slow worth mentioning

[fluid umbra]

Aight, noted, tysm. Will run Amagi - Ark Royal - Shinano

Z52 - Helena - Sirius for Vanguard

[eternal moth]

Is everyone MLB?

[fluid umbra]

Yes

Everyone is MLB

I pulled 5 fritz so all my bulins went to Z52

[eternal moth]

Bruh. How many cubes did you use?

[fluid umbra]

80

#trophy-room message

I'm not done pulling though, I only have fritz and hipper, missing the other 2

[stark quiver]

Good luck

[unique lantern]

got a new leveling spot open, will this survive in d3 full clears? otherwise ill put boss fights on my other fleet

[eternal moth]

It should. Just try one

[fluid umbra]

Is rainbow priority still wyvern first?

For gear lab

Noted

[keen sable]

Anything can survive with unicorn

[unique lantern]

i was overestimating the last fight in d3, theres no ads and the boss itself is weak as hell, cc did drop to 10% against one of the mob fleets tho

[woeful moon]

Also w13 needs a lot of AA right?

[hollow gust]

Bring enough CVs and you are generally fine

[unique lantern]

wheres the best place to farm these things? im in dire need of like another 10 to not switch temporarily and forget to put em back

[hollow gust]

PR

[unique lantern]

only pr? :c

[hollow gust]

It's the best place to get them

[forest palm]

pray for an event to have them in the drop pool

pretty sure it's only happened twice

[unique lantern]

been perma spamming pr for like 8 months and only have 7 to show for it

[forest palm]

not uncommon, Rudders are general gear prints, mixed with other general gear prints, on top of being more likely to get gear prints for gear of the season you're focused on

[opaque galleon]

New Jersey war archive

[forest palm]

have they actually archived her event

[sweet delta]

*note that the best map to farm these things isn't worth farming

[wet badge]

Is z52 a gun dd or do i use barrage spam gun

[forest palm]

slap a Single 113 on her

[unique lantern]

the blue one is fine?

[wet badge]

Ok

[soft raft]

this is the one moment where the british upgrade to the 76mm is actually worthwhile

[jaunty vault]

is it an upgrade tho

[forest palm]

isn't it more of a trade off

[wet badge]

Do cv get reduced dmg if i dont sync them with a low delay

[forest palm]

it'll result in a loss of damage on bosses most of the time because syncing is an effort to meet a window where buffs align

[soft raft]

if they're using converging torps, there's a 99% chance of every single one hard whiffing if there's no slow/freeze to lock the boss in place

[wet badge]

Whats considered a long delay/ out of sync

[unique lantern]

its been so long since i asked it might have changed, do i still do haku before all the other stuff in research? even now that we got shinano+amagi cv?

[forest palm]

I believe anything longer than 0.3s

and you typically want the CV with CC (August, Imp) to be 2nd when Sync'ing

[jaunty vault]

why are you still stuck with haku after so long

[wet badge]

Btw should i use cvs in things like meta showdown or challenge mode

[unique lantern]

i was doing my waifus

[jaunty vault]

there's no reason not to use them

[fluid umbra]

Is this fast enough for a 20s sync on META boss?

I don't know how to make it faster

[forest palm]

it really depends, it can get broken down into a lot of different matters

[unique lantern]

and when i was done with plymouth i was at 26 for brest already so i was told to finish her first

[stark quiver]

Different planes

[wet badge]

The problem i have w these modes is when i use cvs, only the first 2 launches are synced

[jaunty vault]

i think you should finish pr4

[fluid umbra]

Which planes? Wouldn't I be losing dps?

[unique lantern]

de research took long

[forest palm]

gotta work out the math

[stark quiver]

The sidegrades, like sauin Kai

[fluid umbra]

This is what my ark royal has

[upbeat wagon]

whats the event shop prio

[wet badge]

Btw can i coin haku fate sim

[upbeat wagon]

and what gun does the newest ur need to activate the skill

[unique lantern]

dr4s have fate sim?

[wet badge]

Cl

[fluid umbra]

I think only PR1 and PR2 can be coined

[upbeat wagon]

how do i know that

[wet badge]

Haku does

[wet badge]

Its on rumey's skill desc

[upbeat wagon]

no like

[unique lantern]

dr can be coined up to 3 and pr up to 4 iirc

[wet badge]

When it shoots like odin

[upbeat wagon]

nvmnvmnvm im dumb i thpugh cl meant light carrier and thought wtf is a light carrier gun

[wet badge]

When u see shells firing from mainfleet frequently

[upbeat wagon]

ye i got the right gun

[wet badge]

[wet badge]

Sbould i keep haku dev 30 and keep her as a place holder until yk2 returns

[unique lantern]

idk my haku is 20

[wet badge]

Im excited for the hvars

[keen sable]

You should pass on season 4 research projects if you haven't finished it by now

[wet badge]

I havent gotten fs on haku and marco (if marc even has a fs)

[west sparrow]

Is Duisburg good mid - lategame too? She seems very op now, so I'm thinking of dumping everything into her

[wet badge]

And yk2 is maybe next ur rerun

[keen sable]

Not maybe but that has nothing to do with season 4

[fluid umbra]

Oh that reminds me. What research should I be doing right now? I have Roon and Monarch, and I'm coining FdG right now. What should i focus?

[keen sable]

Start from 5

[wet badge]

Idt there is gonna be a point in me getting haku fs5 if yk2 is rerunning (i alr got mlb rumey and amagi)

[fluid umbra]

Which ship priority?

[keen sable]

Ply and brest

[fluid umbra]

Noted, ty.

[unique lantern]

wait so you telling me finishing haku is not worth it anymore, since probably coining comes soon i guess

[keen sable]

The point is coining should be coming soon so s4 projects are just wasting resources that will be free

[keen sable]

You got it

[wet badge]

Oo

[tranquil viper]

Heyyo
Any tips for fast mob clearing for meta zone?

[unique lantern]

which ones next then?

can unlock everyone except nakhimov iirc

[wet badge]

How long does it take to get a dr to d30 w/o catch up?

[novel condor]

Shimanto?

[spring bolt]

unlocking doesn't matter much, just do shimanto

[keen sable]

Move on to 6 research project

[unique lantern]

might not be the best source, but i took 6 months or something for ägir, plymouth and brest with their catch up so probably over 2ish months with and almost 3 without?

i did use event bps tho

[keen sable]

2-5 but more like 4-5 if you properly focus on gear

[keen sable]

You mean ops? What does fast matter? You want to turn your phone off?

[wet badge]

O

Btw dr frontliners become somewhat usable at d25 right

[spring bolt]

+10 460 also works, looks like no rng in this

[unique lantern]

dr25 is where they get the big stat boost so yea, but their biggest dmg comes at dr30 so maybe wait till then

[wet badge]

Ok

[upbeat wagon]

how to unlock sp stages in event

[keen sable]

D3

[unique lantern]

finish last hard mode stage

[upbeat wagon]

ic ty

[wet badge]

Should i get kear or nyakh

[spring bolt]

normal fast farming mob team is like uni+aquila+luna/bearn meta, guam+harbin+hind
or you use unzen/ibuki for even faster clears

[raven canyon]

gah im so lost on how to build a boss and mob fleet

idk if my current one are good enough

[tranquil viper]

Well maybe the faster the better
I want to buy some material but now it requires me to clear the maps rather than reset over time

[covert phoenix]

Any Taihou Meta auto one-shot fleet builds yet that don't require oaths?

[keen sable]

What are they

[raven canyon]

can you give me some suggestion about my current boss and mob fleet

[tranquil viper]

So is just a CV fleet, got it. Thanks

[unique lantern]

getting unicorn, saratoga and independence is really easy, they are cheap, and their retrofits can be a mob fleet up to w12 without anything special

[raven canyon]

like what ship girls should i replace with who and stuff like that

[spring bolt]

Not any cv...
You want preload + half preload. Normal cvs aren't fast

[unique lantern]

and you need a healer, so uni is mandatory

[keen sable]

It's not necessarily strong or best. It just doesn't have bb bullet time making it "fast"

[raven canyon]

is uni better than perseus?

[unique lantern]

100%

[raven canyon]

i see

[keen sable]

The comp build is fine except maybe Baltimore tank. She's not a tank. The ship quality just isn't good enough.

[raven canyon]

oh do you know who i should replace her with

[keen sable]

Make a thread and show who you have

[raven canyon]

i have some pics iif thats fine to post here

[dusk niche]

In the Gear Lab, how do we farm these gold/rainbow materials? Is it Operation Siren because I only get purple level materials but no gold

[fair lance]

It is

[dusk niche]

Dang, so does that mean I have to keep progressing through OS to get more high grade?

[raven canyon]

would also be nice if you guys could tell me which UR ships should i focus spending my UR bulins on

[shell willow]

[dusk niche]

Shucks alright thank you

[raven canyon]

@keen sable

[atomic abyss]

yes, basically the mid difficulty content in opsi
aka strongholds, abyssals and normal arbiter

[soft raft]

Eh not really

[atomic abyss]

why a 30 min old post

[dusk niche]

I see, ill do some research. Thank you!

[soft raft]

cuz i didnt see any responses to his question
And that's where discord happened to plop me when I loaded the page in

[atomic abyss]

unless duisburg skill brg is really good

but i didnt see such comments, at least when compared with watarase

[hollow gust]

Shes

[soft raft]

yuh
nor much positive press about her in general for that matter

[atomic abyss]

she does have a 0 ammo skill ig but really? this isnt 2019

[dusky vale]

Is z52 good? Her fp stat seems kinda mid considering she doesn’t focus on torps

[atomic abyss]

extremely, it would seem

[soft raft]

that's not how you evaluate ships
but yes she is omega pog

[spring bolt]

i do have the barrage data
she does look like a 2019 ship

[soft raft]

lol rip bozo

[atomic abyss]

extremely
she's skill and aoa based

she can DPS, AA, tank and support

likely more relevant than rumey frankly

[fair lance]

Like main tank or off tank?

[atomic abyss]

she is tankier than azuma and eugen with the right gun so...

[spring bolt]

you know, hipper meta is like carl level, which means some what usable
duisburg and taihou meta are really 5 years ago stuff...

[atomic abyss]

she can main tank

mipper dps is decent?

[barren tapir]

duisburg makes me think of a pr1 ship without augment

strong aoa, nothing particularly bad per se in stats/skills, but nothing that makes her particularly good either.

[atomic abyss]

kit looks so gimmicky tho

[raven canyon]

is agir good for boss or mob fleet?

[atomic abyss]

wherever you need a strong tank more (so prob boss)
still really good on mob tho

[barren tapir]

wouldnt mippers selfbuffs disappear quickly? hitshields arent the most reliable...

[raven canyon]

thank you

[wet badge]

Is z52 actually better than ply

[atomic abyss]

maybe

she certainly is tankier, and has arguably better support capabilities
she also can definitely AA better

the DPS is the question, tho CN prelims consistently put her DPS above ply sooooooooooo

[crimson glacier]

what about the important part

[barren tapir]

better aa, better bulk, dunno about dps comparison. supportwise it's fleetwide vs flag buff

[bold cove]

Seem like all around DD

[atomic abyss]

until i see the math myself, i am a bit doubtful of the final claim

[barren tapir]

why not use both together

[sweet delta]

Level 120 z52 with 6/6/1 skills does 150k on taihou meta, don't know how much is planes though. Kazagumo 120k, Unzen 260k+

Easily more than ply dmg

[atomic abyss]

is... that with amagi (for kaza/unzen)

[spring bolt]

rdps is slightly lower than carl, dps is about doubled eugen, around brennus
ehp and shield is similar to eugen
so a eugen pro plus

[barren tapir]

how's the rdps comparison

[atomic abyss]

better iirc

honestly appalling for ply, the only base rainbow CL to get powercrept by a free UR DD

[barren tapir]

tbf shes like 2.5 years old now

[bold cove]

Do Ply and Z52 is different role in fleet or the same position?

[atomic abyss]

i mean goose there hasnt been a single gacha UR CL

i would frankly consider using both together

[hollow gust]

you haven't even leveled her , tf u mean powercreep

[atomic abyss]

...if not for the fact that Vanny and Alsace also have similar debuffs

[sweet delta]

Taihou Meta is the strongest META CV ||who has heavy armor||

[barren tapir]

is she better or worse than her base self?

[spring bolt]

seems worse

[barren tapir]

rip

[atomic abyss]

worse when compared to base with aug

[bold cove]

If Z52 better than Ply, do i need to priorities dev Ply or dev her later?

[spring bolt]

yeah with aug ofc
no aug og taihou is... ATM!

[barren tapir]

i did have a feeling the aug would swing it in favor of base taihou

F for taihou meta

[atomic abyss]

i dont see why you would delay prio from ply

it's like asking if i should i not raise sandy when i have guam and laff 2

[barren tapir]

you have more than 1 fleet, ply is still an excellent ship

[boreal wagon]

z52 and ply also dont necessarily conflict given that one is a buff for (flag) BBs the other universal

[atomic abyss]

there arent many rainbows that are higher prio than her

[bold cove]

Okay, thanks

[spring bolt]

you know, you can use z52 and ply together in a bb fleet, z52 actually kinda kicked hind/unzen out

[barren tapir]

(the ship z52 actually powercreeped is momo - giving same fleetwide 5% buff but without rng or stacking requirements, and being better in every other aspect as well)

[dusky vale]

AA wise how does she compare to laffey 2 since they both get special aa gun

[hollow gust]

Worse

[atomic abyss]

laffey is in another league

[spring bolt]

especially hind

[barren tapir]

momo barely got to exist as a support option for 2 weeks

[bold cove]

Well, im not touch the pr6 yet and im joining the game long after unzen

[atomic abyss]

but z52 is comparable to weaker AA "carries" like lil chesh etc

[hollow gust]

She never started as a option , that was some cope from the beginning

[atomic abyss]

she's certainly not gonna be your solo AA carry for any tough plane content

[raven canyon]

do you guys know who are the best CAs for mob fleet as of right now?

[barren tapir]

nah she was an alright buffer in cm

[sweet delta]

Mob fleet where?

[atomic abyss]

hindy and unzen

[hollow gust]

Plymouth has never been just her buff , Z52 would never be the one power creeping her even if the buff is slightly stronger

[bold cove]

Good to know free UR can bring alot to the table

[atomic abyss]

one major advantage z52 has is the better AA
also the flagship cover should help musashi massively

[raven canyon]

around hapter 11+ so late game i think?

[atomic abyss]

11-12 is mid game

[raven canyon]

oah

whats considered lategame

[bold cove]

Late game is 14+?

[raven canyon]

good god we have chapter 14??

[atomic abyss]

14-15 is end game

[bold cove]

15 actually

[raven canyon]

15????

[atomic abyss]

opsi and any form of grinding is late game

[raven canyon]

oh god

[bold cove]

Harbiter?

[barren tapir]

cn did rate her highly on the support scale

i think her problem was stacking time and rng, and being too spread out/jack of all trades support

she had 50% uptime on 5% fleetwide dmg buff with 5% fp/trp/avi, decent uptime on 25% slow from aoa, and 2% fleetwide healing every 20s, once stacked. it just takes too long and none of the effects are individually strong enough (there is also her plants bodyblocking capabilities as well as a 30% chance to spawn completely immune to all damage if momo has a rudder equipped)

[raven canyon]

should i just focus on progressing through the campaign right now

[atomic abyss]

focus on grinding the event right now

[tame jungle]

there's an event going on right now so prioritize that

[raven canyon]

well i kinda got all of the essentials like the torps, z54 and i already got hipper from the banner

[fluid umbra]

What's the standing on kearsarge? Is she worth getting?

[bold cove]

Always grinding event, atleast till 55k event points

[atomic abyss]

that's not really "all the essentials"

[raven canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[atomic abyss]

arrays? the 2nd z52 copy? PR BP?

[raven canyon]

whats arrays

[barren tapir]

im still convinced EN underrates momo but she's definitely out of the picture if you have z52 now, since z52 does everything better besides lacking the plants for ch14 support

[atomic abyss]

as with all rainbows except warspite, yes
just low prio

[tame jungle]

stop coping for momo aurora it's over man

[atomic abyss]

used to increase ships lvl cap frm 120-125

[raven canyon]

ohh

alright ill grind the event

[atomic abyss]

aurora it's hard to fairly rate something if you dont have anything else to compare her with

[barren tapir]

being powercreeped by a UR is normal, im not coping about anything

[raven canyon]

god my dock is infested with Elite Bulins

[atomic abyss]

im positive even montpelier will perform similarly

[elfin hollow]

retire them u wont

[barren tapir]

EN rates nana highly and momo did comparable dps on both mob and boss except vs heavy for me (while providing rdps and survival buffs) make of that what you will ig? i will reiterate she is a good gold ship

[raven canyon]

i guess i should retire like 2/3rd of the elite bulins

[atomic abyss]

use them

[raven canyon]

i dont have any level 70 elites ship to use them on

[atomic abyss]

they dont have to be level 70

[boreal wagon]

nor do they have to be elite (lower works too)

[raven canyon]

i dont really keep any lower ships

[elfin hollow]

type shi

[barren tapir]

im just wondering with all of this if anyone actually has tests or evidence to say momo is bad

[raven canyon]

and most of my elites are fully limit breaked or on tier 2

[cobalt rapids]

momo is bad ?

[raven canyon]

so idk what to do with them all if im being honest

[elfin hollow]

still waiting to see how fancy is scored

😔

[cobalt rapids]

last i checked shes S tier in w14 mobbing

[atomic abyss]

decent tank for opsi
anything with planes aka campaign lol, lmao even

[barren tapir]

fancy also works for ch14 mob in theory

[atomic abyss]

w14 planes arent exactly non existent

[spring bolt]

nah, it's just momo had a chance to get into top tier min max team, but z52 came out of nowhere
momo herself is still a very strong unit imo

[barren tapir]

i didnt say they were

youd pair her with a strong aa ship

[inland shoal]

I saw some Maihoe fleet with Momo that killed somewhat consistently supposedly so yeah

[barren tapir]

fancy is very durable and provides +1 ammo which is helpful for ch14 mob

[atomic abyss]

no AA stat also means she dies to planes more easily

also she will struggle with the armoured enemies

[sweet delta]

Do w14 planes attack the vanguard?

[raven canyon]

oh sweet my alabama is max level

[barren tapir]

planes dont do a huge amount of damage %wise in ch14 typically + evasion still counts against those, as does her hp shield, as does her -25% avi dmg and -10% dmg taken

[elfin hollow]

is mog a good aa vanguard

[atomic abyss]

not even close

[elfin hollow]

shi

[stark quiver]

how much better is hindens dps against light vs unzen

[barren tapir]

like im not saying fancy is the best by any means

im saying shes a serviceable tank in ch14 if you make use of her ammo utility for relieving pressure a bit, as long as you make up the AA difficulty elsewhere (shouldnt take too much honestly)

[atomic abyss]

it's bordering on shit lol

[stark quiver]

goodbye aa

[atomic abyss]

it's "ok" at best

[raven canyon]

is stephen potter a good support for my mob fleet

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur fleet and where ur mobbing

[atomic abyss]

she has her uses, certainly not a typical mobber tho

[raven canyon]

hm

[cobalt rapids]

shes a good ship if ure mobbing in w13 and ure running a triple cv backline

[atomic abyss]

to be clear, most DDs are horrible at AA

[raven canyon]

i see

[elfin hollow]

i see i see

[raven canyon]

god i suck at fleet building man what the hell

[barren tapir]

its why i dont get why EN seems to underrate her so much (or maybe just this chat idk)

the obvious is she gets clowned on by URs but most ships do, that shouldnt really be a necessary value judgement if something is good or not

i can say besides helena she is the strongest overall vg ship i currently own until i obtain and mlb z52 and it isnt close

[atomic abyss]

the exceptions are what, the Allen M Sumner class DDs, Eldridge retro, Z52

[barren tapir]

hamm2

[atomic abyss]

i'll test momo against idk, montpelier or sth

[sweet delta]

You have paid for both augs?

[atomic abyss]

maybe mainz or bayard if her dps really is that good

[sweet delta]

No her DPS is not that good

[barren tapir]

her rdps is 1700 according to cn

[sweet delta]

Well maybe better than Mainz but def not Bayard level

[atomic abyss]

i like monty
mine is oathed even
but her DPS shdnt be as good as momo if the maff is legit

[barren tapir]

i havent done any strict testing per se but ive seen all the sisters take turns beating one another in total personal output depending on the content (armor type, mob/boss/cm/meta) and momo has the highest support factor among the three

[stark quiver]

between the 3 harbys which one is the easiest to one shot with average fleets

[spring bolt]

feels like the heavy armor one, hermit?

[atomic abyss]

usually hermit

[sweet delta]

What is an average fleet

[atomic abyss]

strength is usually the hardest

[sweet delta]

Shinano haku? Fdg duke UR?

[stark quiver]

uhh
lets say top ships & gear
half tech bad cats

[sweet delta]

Then hermit and temperance both fall over

[stark quiver]

thats odd, i wasnt able to one shot hermit with the shimplamagi fleet, does she have any timing gimmicks

[atomic abyss]

depends on the specific mechanics of the boss

diff hermits have diff skills

[stark quiver]

this months hermit

[cobalt rapids]

no gimmicks
its prob not top gear then

[stark quiver]

lemme retry it

[cobalt rapids]

are u at full adapts

[eager mulch]

what’s the challenge mode this month

[cobalt rapids]

sagittarius

[eager mulch]

what’s the mechanic

[stark quiver]

20s timer dont kill timer = backline 🤯

[barren tapir]

warspite pvp in her heyday basically

[forest palm]

Corgi existed to snipe, and subsequently fall off harder than a boulder

[stark quiver]

also, +13 2 vit2s or wait for +13 1 la9

[barren tapir]

12s after start, and every 20s after, charge 5s. charge 30k hp to break. charge finish, barrage that blinds you, and causes next surefire shot to do 10/20/30% hp dmg on top. if charge fail, increases her dmg dealt permanently

every 20s fire big pew pew shot at backliner who last bitchslapped warspite

something vaguely like that anyway

[warm condor]

Is Z52 a good torpedo unti? I am using the shimkaze

[cobalt rapids]

depends how many conv tb u got alr

[forest palm]

she relies on her Barrage not her Gun, or Torpedo Damage

[barren tapir]

z52 is a barrage vomiter

[elfin hollow]

Is tenrai or skyraider preferred for fritz second slot? I'm running flapjack on first

[warm condor]

Oh so I can have her, shimkaze and some vanguard tank? Like Goble?

[barren tapir]

so much barrages and skill procs tied to her main gun fire

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content
skyraider for light

[still merlin]

should I go for this combo on musashi ?

[barren tapir]

use an ijn gun like twin 410 purple

[viscid swift]

give her an IJN main gun

[cobalt rapids]

save for la-9

[raven canyon]

460 kaboom

[still merlin]

I heard ppl goes for her PR 7 gun instead, why?
coz I remember her skill only say "IJN gear"

[barren tapir]

izumo and daisen gun work also

[cobalt rapids]

the pr7 gun is ijn

[stark quiver]

pr7 gun is ijn and fast which is what musashi needs to sync

[viscid swift]

read a her skill a bit more closely

[elfin hollow]

Everything outside of campaign, so skyraider specializes in light I guess? what about tenrai

[barren tapir]

she has 2 skill things

one says ijn main gun
one says ijn gear

iirc

[cobalt rapids]

aoe and heavy

[viscid swift]

When this ship fires her Main Guns: 50% (100%) chance to fire a Lv.1 (Lv.10) special barrage (DMG is based on the skill's level);** if this ship has a Sakura Empire Main Gun equipped, this barrage is improved.** This special barrage has 50% increased Crit Rate, and the lightning bolts from this barrage inflict a special debuffIn-game description incorrectly describes this as Armor Break (Firepower)[skill 1] to enemies hit, increasing their DMG taken by 5% for 8s; if the enemy hit has Heavy Armor, the debuffIn-game description incorrectly describes this as Armor Break (Firepower) is increased to 10% instead.

[barren tapir]

ijn main gun improves her barrage significantly

[raven canyon]

isnt the pr7 gun the rainbow 460?

[cobalt rapids]

no thats event

[stark quiver]

no
thats musashis event

[still merlin]

Ah I must have got mixed up between 2 skills

[barren tapir]

no that is yamato gun

[raven canyon]

oh i see

[viscid swift]

no it's the Twin 410mm prototype

[raven canyon]

ohh

[still merlin]

1 only say "IJN gear" while other specifically say "IJN main gun"

[elfin hollow]

Skyraider it is then

[cobalt rapids]

well flapjack and skyraider sound off because idk where ure pairing this combination

[sweet delta]

Balanced load out for general content

[elfin hollow]

Yeah this, everything outside of campaign basically. Just wanna slap some balanced general stuff on her and call it a day without much thought

[hollow gust]

Then use BBs

Unfortunate CVs require you to at least try learning gearing, you aren't going to get high performance if you don't bother switching out gears

[stark quiver]

how much more damage does la9 do against heavy compasred to flapjack

[worldly pewter]

la 9 is a rocket fighter right ?

[cobalt rapids]

like 90ish% more

[worldly pewter]

i think it is hard to compare it to a bomb fighter since bombs are hit or miss

[spring bolt]

dph, with geo hit rate considered, target don't move
flapjack is about 59% to 64% la9, depending on target size
if target moves, la9 will lead less but not too much

[elfin hollow]

That's not too much difference I think

[viscid swift]

yep

against a small hitbox enemy the gap only gets biggger

[cobalt rapids]

yea
fighter bombs also have an avi scaling of 0.8

[stark quiver]

yea im making a fleet for harby this month and i couldnt one shot it, 10 bar left and my vanguard dies

[worldly pewter]

usually the heavy armored ships are big enough but again 60% more damage isn't something negligible

[cobalt rapids]

its not 60% more dmg
its 90% more dmg
or flapjack = 60% of la9 (should be like 52ish%) how dfg put it

[stark quiver]

and my cvs are getting detected a lot

[viscid swift]

I ran Shinano, Haku, Amagi, Eldridge, Kazagumo, Helena
one shot just fine

[stark quiver]

its helena gaming time i guess

[spring bolt]

blame implac

[worldly pewter]

how many scans are needed ?

[stark quiver]

i dont have a third tenrai

[viscid swift]

I didn't keep count

[stark quiver]

im running this if 3 ijn

[hollow gust]

just 4 shot

[spring bolt]

wait, i thought you are doing one shot one shot, not one fleet

[jaunty vault]

lol

[eager mulch]

lol

[stark quiver]

new player, cant one strike

[elfin hollow]

guys what does this mean? Can someone explain to me the "does not stack, only the strongest armor break applies" part

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki armor breaking

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Armor_breaking

[elfin hollow]

Okay can someone explain it in simple way without having to read an essay

[boreal wagon]

it increases gun based damage taken

[cobalt rapids]

its just 1 paragraph

[hollow gust]

And multiple armor breaks don’t stack

[elfin hollow]

So how does this interact with ägir armor break then

[boreal wagon]

unless they do which is a whole nother can of worms

[viscid swift]

not really that long

[elfin hollow]

that looks complicated 💀 and on my phone I saw a whole ass page

[hollow gust]

Agir has normal armor breaks so BB normal armor break doesn’t matter

[stark quiver]

desmos time

[cobalt rapids]

expand this and the different IDs stack

[elfin hollow]

I've no idea what that means define normal armor break

[elfin hollow]

alright moment

[keen sable]

301 or something

[viscid swift]

401

[elfin hollow]

alright thats actually helpful nice, idk why it pointed me to something else when i opened it but that's simple to understand, thanks

[elfin hollow]

301? what

[viscid swift]

the ID of the armor break

[hallow kernel]

Chapters 13+ Fleet Composition Assistance

[hollow gust]

4-shot CV win

[elfin hollow]

alright now I understand much better, thanks

but It says ägir also has 401 id number, same as tenrai id number

[viscid swift]

yes

[terse grail]

Is it true the twin 150 tbtsk c42t proto is a good gun for Fritz?

[elfin hollow]

interesting

[stark quiver]

defensive auxes on vg?

[hollow gust]

lol no , Taihou does jack shit to vanguard

[sweet delta]

this one or the rainbow are better

[terse grail]

Okay thanks. I don't have a rainbow available. Any particular reason for this gun?

[sweet delta]

it just does a lot more damage than felix gun, which should surpass felix gun's advantage of 0 spread

[terse grail]

Ahh yeah. The 0 spread was the main reason for the other

[sweet delta]

also if youre fighting a single boss then you can also use STAAG AA gun for +10 hit instead of a CL gun

[terse grail]

That's a good idea too. Thanks for the help

[kindred flicker]

FASTEST WAY TO SPEND LIKE 6-7K OIL

[tame jungle]

dorm food but go grind event instead

[viscid swift]

grind 12-4/D3 of the event
not the fastest but the best way

[kindred flicker]

if thats story i have reached 6-4 and im level 65

i rarely play story but i gotta grind the event then

[viscid swift]

well you should push the main campaign

grinding below chapter 9 without oil caps is just painful and even w9-w11 is still quite inferior to chapter 12

[kindred flicker]

dorm food?

[crude kindle]

should i put effort into giulio cesare meta . idk if shes goated i just got them from the pass but she seems like a lotta work for a beginner 😿

[hollow gust]

Shes a elite meta, basically shit

[crude kindle]

soooo basically dont use her

[keen sable]

Naval curry in dorm

[soft raft]

purely tech fodder which is more of a late-game thing

[kindred flicker]

it takes my oil?

[keen sable]

Yes like 2 or 3 clicks as much as you want to get rid of

[stark quiver]

does c1 have cat nodes

[jaunty vault]

i think so

[tame jungle]

opsi wiki says no

[jaunty vault]

then ig i thought wrong

[stark quiver]

also when repeating c1, how much ap does it take

[spring bolt]

No c1 c2 has no cat node

[coarse heron]

C1 is for sweats trying to spawn good commissions

[stark quiver]

im farming ap boxes

[queen jackal]

how much diff between single 113 and ayanami gun on z52

[sweet delta]

🔮 number but Z52 has quite high main gun efficiency and FP so there is quite some gain from 113's higher FP and damage

[queen jackal]

got it ty

[opaque karma]

how to get ur voucher other than exchange

[eager mulch]

[ivory pawn]

In the event tab, check out the UR exchange event for an ingame checklist.
Outside of game, check the topmost pin.

If you're on mobile, you'll have to tap it to expand it.

[drifting dew]

Which ur should I limit break 1st??

[sweet delta]

is that all the URs? Fritz and Musashi

[ocean shuttle]

Are you guys out here one-cycling dossier meta challenges for 0 oil usage?
I can only 3 cycle dossier METAs so still incur a good chunk of oil cost :/

[cobalt rapids]

sometimes

[ocean shuttle]

guess i gotta gitgud

[cobalt rapids]

request support
in the first month it usually goes fast

[ocean shuttle]

i mean for the dossiers (reruns) not the current meta

so, no artillery, no assist, plus level 15

[cobalt rapids]

oh dossiers

no choice other than improving ur account then if u wanna get rid of the oilcost
ig u can also get some friend or a guildmate to clear em for you but yea

[white agate]

i mean, it should be pretty cheap tho 40 oil cost per 14 shodown every week accounting for 2 hits wich are achievable
so 560 oil per week is not much imo, as long as you will be able to 2 hit you will be fine

(i remember to do dossiers seldomly tho )

[crude kindle]

would she be a good beginner unit for a team 🥹🥹

[mystic acorn]

Using high process combat chip onlly affects gold right not the drop rate of items

[ivory pawn]

High-Efficiency Logistics Plan? The thing that doubles oil cost? It doubles everything.

You actually get 2x drops. Can drop 2 ships in a single fight, for example.

[raven canyon]

i used it so much, now im no longer oil man

[white agate]

its like doing double runs, so morale loss doubles, exp gain doubles and loot doubles
(oil cost too)

[mystic acorn]

Really? Hmmm I don’t seem to notice since when i farm on the last stage of the event for FDG gun, i only see 1 pc

Instead of 2

[ivory pawn]

It's two separate instances of loot, not exactly doubling the loot you got.

[raven canyon]

i think it also doubles the event currency this time right?

[mystic acorn]

Yes it foes

[raven canyon]

sweet

[ornate bronze]

Oh d3 has fdg gun drop?

[mystic acorn]

Yup

[ivory pawn]

She's decent, especially when paired with her sister Hiryuu. Might be a bit of a pain to stick in your first fleet as you'll probably want Unicorn and a BB/BC, but can be an option to raise for your second fleet.

[ornate bronze]

Also their retros are good yeah?

Not top of line and certainly not priority for retro parts, but maybe after unicorn?

[ivory pawn]

Hiryuu/Soryuu? Yeah, you'll want to do them if you use them. Still a lower priority than Uni, probably lower than Portland/starter DD too.

[cobalt rapids]

not worth investing into
theres better permanent options
they have good tech tho but thats useful for later

[ornate bronze]

I see

[crude kindle]

okay awesome cuz i have no backliners at all

[ivory pawn]

None at all? Haven't picked up Uni and Penn from Guild Shop?

[crude kindle]

oh well actually i wouldnt say none. i had no idea if uni and penn were a backliner

i just grabbed like some random girl

naganami i think

this all i got… 😢

[silver fjord]

How good is the UR ship from the event shop? I don't see it in the tierlist

[cobalt rapids]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give this a read

[ornate bronze]

Z52? Allegedly amazing

[silver fjord]

Like ex tier and how high. Curious. I just want to know. I'm not too much meta.

[pseudo saffron]

Are cats important?

[cobalt rapids]

good cats are like a 20% boost to ur fleet

[ornate bronze]

Some on here were saying she can out AA sandy and is almost as tanky as Plymouth

[hollow gust]

??????

wtf have you guys been smoking

[stark quiver]

she isnt out AAing sandy for sure

[viscid swift]

who uhh said that

[cobalt rapids]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1624531241#gid=1624531241 you can check her prelims for endgame here

[ornate bronze]

Bruh I'm just going off what I was reading earlier in this chat

[viscid swift]

again, who said it

[hoary abyss]

I have a question should I swap out my shima for z52 in my first fleet or just leave it be

[viscid swift]

I doubt any regulars was saying that

[hollow gust]

who knows, considering they do different jobs, and also dependent on content

[ornate bronze]

I can't remember the name

[viscid swift]

Z52 is probably gonna be better than Shima in most cases

[hoary abyss]

Ok so swap them

[hollow gust]

[white agate]

nice i can push pr 7

[willow dock]

Just ran the z52 simulation, the red beam she fires is a ghost weapon of sorts right?

[viscid swift]

probably being the keyword, no one has her maxed yet so it's not certain

[cobalt rapids]

simulation ?

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message
maybe here?
cba to read thru everything

[viscid swift]

it's probably one of her barrages

[frozen inlet]

Help with Team building

[hoary abyss]

My friend has her maxed out

[stark quiver]

max skills?

[hollow gust]

ender says everything is near or better then ply

[viscid swift]

they do not

literally impossible to have her skills maxed right now

[white agate]

probably the one in event story mode

[hoary abyss]

Oh skills no but everything else maxed

[viscid swift]

if it was this convo, read a bit closer, this is just speculative

it is far from certain

[stark quiver]

then nobody knows until everything is maxed

[cobalt rapids]

a story mode isnt rly a simulation
it just alot of random stuff
like vanguard ruppy
i wouldnt take anything happening there as part of her kit

[pseudo saffron]

What cats should I use?

[boreal wagon]

events -> ultra rare exchange -> battle simulation

[stark quiver]

no clue, unless we see the talents

[viscid swift]

she can't be tested thoroughly until everything is maxed including her skills

[pseudo saffron]

These?

[stark quiver]

the screen to the right

[eager mulch]

I can’t help but think that is a garbage cat

[stark quiver]

id have to agree with you turtle

[pseudo saffron]

This?

[quartz jungle]

Is the rainbow skill flame?

[willow dock]

But it's only a "barrage" when she fires off many many beams, otherwise she fires 3 consistently

It makes me think that she adds some kind of mechanical to her main gun or something because the shells themselves act differently too

[stark quiver]

nah not a good cat,
the key thing thing making it bad is the iron blood skill

[pseudo saffron]

What talents make a cat good

[boreal wagon]

z52 fires a barrage every single time her gun fires, its just a barrage

[stark quiver]

do /cats in #bot-spam

[willow dock]

Oh

[pseudo saffron]

Ok

[willow dock]

Makes sense

[viscid swift]

Decreases this ship's DMG taken by 5% (15%). Every time the Thunderheart gains 6 counters: restores 1% of this ship's max HP. Every 2 times this HP recovery effect activates, performs a special slashing attack (DMG and range are based on the skill's level). The first 3 times this slashing attack is performed each battle: the ship in your fleet with the lowest current HP percentage recovers 2% of her max HP. Grants this ship the Flagship Cover skill; while this ship is afloat: decreases your Flagship's DMG taken by 15% (25%). If there are multiple ships in your fleet with the Flagship Cover skill, only the one with the strongest effect activates.

There's also this

[warm river]

3 shots on every main gun usage, 18 I believe on aoa (every 5 main gun usages on mlb), 4 torpedoes every 2nd aoa (10 main gun usages), slash attack every 12 main gun usages

[willow dock]

Starting to look like I really want this ship considering I missed laffy II

[viscid swift]

well she's a free UR

[hollow gust]

its a free ship, why not get her

[viscid swift]

why would you pass on her

[soft raft]

It shouldn't have been that hard to at least get the first copy of Laffey II as well

[white agate]

only if you logged in during the event tho

[warm river]

the special red shots travel a short distance then home in/re-aim on a target (that are the "beams"). I'm not sure how that target is picked though. I'm also not sure if it is the same projectile and if not if both can hit. I haven't tested her since I don't have her maxed yet

[viscid swift]

it works the same way pretty much as Plymouth's barrage does

[cobalt rapids]

z47 with diff fx

[eager mulch]

[pseudo saffron]

Bruh why is this cat stuff so complicated

[stark quiver]

It’s more of a endgame stuff

[barren tapir]

i said better AA than plymouth

EN and reading comprehension strikes again ig

tho she is tankier than ply according to mebot calc so

[hollow gust]

does it even matter
Z52 is far more useful in a CV fleet

[barren tapir]

im just correcting the person who claimed someone said z52 out AAs sandy (even with z1 she doesnt)

[hollow gust]

For BB , ply buff is still nicer

[barren tapir]

but prelim z52 with 113 has felix ehp so her being tankier than ply is correct and i stand by what i said, regardless of relevance

[undone plover]

How is she in kear fleet

[barren tapir]

also as i said earlier, you can always use both in the same fleet so they dont replace one another really

[hollow gust]

also why use her with 113

[barren tapir]

similar dps to 100kai but +10% ehp and faster to stack her AA mechanic

[viscid swift]

let's just wait until people have her actually maxed before we delve into that

[barren tapir]

then you can also pawn off that 100kai to another ship who doesnt have cheap options that are equivalenly good

well the ehp part is pretty certain as her healing is based off fire rate. dps wise is the thing in question, my paper math with the barrage numbers implies they're on par if 113 fires 1.3x as often but it depends since idk how reliable her total barrage stuff is

[cobalt rapids]

i dont have +13 100kai so shes taking 113

[slow fox]

Just use the blue pewpew

[cobalt rapids]

-12fp

[barren tapir]

there's also the aspect of 113 doesnt need +13 so it's much cheaper for comparable performance (estimated)

[pallid prawn]

is muse roon still better than pr roon ?

[viscid swift]

no

[barren tapir]

then you can slap 100kai somewhere else

[barren tapir]

significantly worse now

[hollow gust]

Roon muse was barley better , the augment honestly doubled Roon's damage

[pallid prawn]

[barren tapir]

roon muse being barely better wasnt even relevant since she costs 1500 core data and doesnt give kms tech/tech in general

would always have picked roon over roon muse pragmatically

[vale apex]

what to mlb next

[stark quiver]

do you have 3 ur bulins?

[vale apex]

i can buy

[barren tapir]

i wanna say z52

[cobalt rapids]

z52

[stark quiver]

z52

[vale apex]

aight thanks

[viscid swift]

Z52

[barren tapir]

since shima and perm UR exchange

[vale apex]

is kron just bad

[stark quiver]

not bad, but not used much

[viscid swift]

Z52 brings a lot more to the table

[cobalt rapids]

no just not worth the investment with all the CBs from research

[barren tapir]

not bad but research options exist for similar value

[vale apex]

makes sense

[barren tapir]

also she comes to perm exchange next, so

[vale apex]

and who to mlb with perm exchange next

[stark quiver]

shima
since shes so close

[cobalt rapids]

ulrich

[stark quiver]

why ulrich

[cobalt rapids]

it doesnt rly matter
ulrich might turn out more useful than shima

[hollow gust]

BBs are dead to me

[stark quiver]

id just get shima mlb for the tech points, but ulrch works too ig

[cobalt rapids]

not very new player of u

[boreal wagon]

but gold pewpew is the superior color

[stark quiver]

dont worry my account is new

[hollow gust]

also all of CN's comps are shite

[cobalt rapids]

do cn comps involve nanomagi implac z52 kazagumo and unzen ?

[hollow gust]

thats prob gonna be the best comp, but none of them are running it rn

[cobalt rapids]

i see

[hollow gust]

fun thing is , mogador is back in the top

[cobalt rapids]

is she

[hollow gust]

went way better

[viscid swift]

well, what gear then

[hollow gust]

this but with saiun Vit-2 amagi

ofc its max rld and oath backline

[viscid swift]

yeah no way am I pulling that off

[cobalt rapids]

its ok, cheeky is now a meta oather like us

[viscid swift]

actually no

[hollow gust]

ricest wants to run a fast 3 strike comp, gonna let him minmax timing first

[viscid swift]

haven't gone that far yet

[boreal wagon]

emphasise on yet

[lusty dove]

what is that ship please?

[stark quiver]

sirius

[hollow gust]

sirus

[cobalt rapids]

sirius with skin

[lusty dove]

thanks

[kind slate]

Where can I get retrofit item for Eldridge? Or is it forever gone

[boreal wagon]

youll have to wait until it reruns

[kind slate]

Frick. I missed so much sad

[hollow gust]

I don't think there is any medium armor bosses right now is there

[pseudo saffron]

Should I be retiring blue and gray ships for medals or use them for enhancements?

[hollow gust]

Grey for enhancement , blue for medals

[stark quiver]

just looking at rumey and z52 right now, which of the 2 would probably be worth the bulins first

[hollow gust]

Z52

Yorktown can do basically the same thing

[raven canyon]

i think i miss my "10 Training class skips"

[stark quiver]

thx, cuz after 52, i have 4 bulins left, so ill prolly prio yorktown 2

[hollow gust]

There is cruise pass and milestone , u can prob do all 3

[stark quiver]

thats counting cruise and milestone

[storm heron]

11 bulins

[crisp raven]

are you also counting the 52 dupe in shop?

[storm heron]

can't be not counting since this is the same person that would spend 80k oil for HVARs

[stark quiver]

i would buy oil with for hvars

[storm heron]

pretty sure best one for money to oil conversion ratio is the daily welkin right?

the one with 200 oil, 500 coins, and 1 cube

[stark quiver]

hvar event lasts a week
and idk if the oil goes to storage or not

[storm heron]

it goes to mail storage

[undone plover]

trade license oil does go to storage

[stark quiver]

nice

im starting to think id be cucked by morale and time rather than oil

[crisp raven]

i havent done the math, but events have a 5 pack purchase 120 gems for 2k oil. that sounds like a great ratio just by looking.

[hollow gust]

Well use multiple fleets

[undone plover]

I would just maximize oil before the event if u really want to go hard
save the weekly pack and weekly missions and only claim them after the event starts
and try and have soft oil cap before event starts

[hollow gust]

I can't wait for Hvars to be powercreeped a few weeks after the event

[stark quiver]

even then it prolly wont come in mass

[storm heron]

well for that to happen they gotta have another CV UR event

[undone plover]

lowcost D3 on this event takes 6 mins btw with unicorn and Tai Yuan but it also has the zooming thing (ships moving fast) so during YKii event it might take a bit more
can also be more efficient oil wise if u low cost it
also helps with morale

[quartz jungle]

Do you not have like 150 k oil in storage?

[storm heron]

only 120k

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message

[undone plover]

70k is still pretty good

[storm heron]

still pretty good without trade license