gameplay-help

[junior walrus]

Also how good is Iron Blood? I have 200 cubes saved

[viscid swift]

we have literally no idea

first, my name is saying what faction the next event is, nothing more

and we know absolutely nothing about the event other than roughly when it will drop, what faction it's for, and most likely Hipper META will be one of the ships

stay tuned for the stream on the 16th

[forest palm]

has a teaser not shown a playable character before?

[frozen inlet]

Whats the best stage to farm exp for fdg development? Only peter, tirpritz & Weser for main fleet

[faint cloud]

miss D

[viscid swift]

not that I can recall of

[viscid swift]

W12

[merry leaf]

whats the best way to grind more rainbow gear

[viscid swift]

grind OpSi, do research missions

[elfin hollow]

Do research more or OpSi more.

[soft raft]

depends on the specific gear in question
also honestly you dont really need as much UR gear as you'd think

Like at most I aim to have 3 of each on average (at least for the grindable ones)

[merry leaf]

the problem is i dont have any 😭 i barely grind my opsi so i dont know how to really find the rainbow stuff for gear lab

[viscid swift]

then get to grinding Operation Siren more actively each month

[soft raft]

You gotta grind grind grind OpSi
That's how you get gear lab resources

You get some guaranteed rainbow mats in the shop and the rest is RNG

[viscid swift]

if you want more rainbow gear, that's the effort you have to put in

[merry leaf]

bet ty

[tired condor]

what this do

[eager mulch]

gives you aura

😎

[grizzled sundial]

Make your shipgirl glow , that it

[viscid swift]

uuuuhhhh

wrong channel

[storm heron]

what the actual fuk?

[eager mulch]

[storm heron]

my eyes hurt, my brain hurt, my day is ruined

[loud rover]

my bad i didnt see the channel name

[little tree]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is now ruined

[frozen inlet]

is it worth it to mlb them for the exp grind?

[viscid swift]

yes

MLB any ships you're gonna be using

[pale wing]

Btw, my first ship to be MLB'd is Nimi-chan

[viscid swift]

ok.....

[pale wing]

Currently retrofitting Portland before MLB her

[sweet delta]

ok......

[pale wing]

Why, @frozen inlet ?

[wind hazel]

sir... you can't retrofit her if you don't mlb her

[sweet delta]

*ma'am

[pale wing]

I did able to MLB her, but
Somehow, i need another after i spend the Retrofit items to FFNF Saint Louis

[wind hazel]

there are female on the internet?

[pale wing]

[stark quiver]

U good mori?

[zinc cave]

Mori devastated with new knowledge

[wind hazel]

it was a joke...

also have you retrofitted unicorn?

[strange sphinx]

[strange sphinx]

Nishki

[tired condor]

yup

[blissful hamlet]

Is the next major event a 2 weeks event or 3 weeks event?

[wind hazel]

2

[blissful hamlet]

[wind hazel]

3 weeks are only during cn and jp anniversary

[rare wyvern]

Is level 120 enough for w15 support CV fleet ?

[stark quiver]

Yes

[blissful hamlet]

I hope we get Tirpitz Zwei

[wind hazel]

i did with two lv120

[rare wyvern]

Also, I better put a fighter on flex slots for my fighting CV right ?

I ponder because those fight seems also like "Kill before you get killed"

[tranquil rock]

but its 30s reload...?

[sweet delta]

30s at +0 enhancement on a ship with 100 RLD sire

[tranquil rock]

me when i forget RLD stat exists

[sweet delta]

If you put it +10 on a random level 120 BB then it's close to 20s

[copper ermine]

how good are prinz ruppretch, friedrich, and anchorage? Wondering since I just made both the iron blood ships and just started anchorage.

[deft wraith]

Is Anchorage good?

[viscid swift]

yes

[deft wraith]

Because I need to finish developing saint Louis and it's almost Done. And I just need more exp points thing.

[viscid swift]

xp you mean

[deft wraith]

Yes

[brittle depot]

Quick question. Does Flames Aggression and Mountains Tenacity stack if both the staff and commander cat on your fleet have it, respectively?

[viscid swift]

yes

[brittle depot]

Thanks

[reef ice]

nope

[hollow sail]

fdg: very good mob fleet BB / prinz: decent mob BC / anchorage: extremely tanky CA

[tame pivot]

Are there any main fleet ships that can easily survive 12-4 (all escorts) alone without dying to planes or suicide boats in a 1-1 fleet?

I've been using this team to farm Sakura Vanguard XP for Combat Data Collection.. but I feel like I'd game more XP quicker if I only needed 1 ship in the back..

[hollow sail]

[wind hazel]

you'd be wrong, it would be even slower

[tame pivot]

Im already at 60% on the 2nd combat data collection.. so it doesnt matter too much now.. but for future xp grinding..

[viscid swift]

why are you not running a full fleet in oil capped map

[zinc cave]

Why are you farming XP in 12-4 with 1:1 though

[wind hazel]

take the chance to raise unleveled mainfleet

[viscid swift]

I don't know how you came to the conclusion this would be faster or more efficient

[hollow sail]

why are you using a 125 for data collection

[tame pivot]

idk.. im a dummy..

[zinc cave]

It's worse that you're aware of it too....

[tame pivot]

well it still gains xp.. but yehh.. im a dummy

[wind hazel]

[viscid swift]

I legitimately do not know how you came to that conclusion, really there's no excuses

[hollow sail]

you want to use ships you haven't leveled yet for their fleet tech stat bonuses when they reach 120

[strange sphinx]

[viscid swift]

like
your fleet still costs 36 oil, and the mob fleet oil cap for 12-4 is 42 so you're still spending 85% of the oil cost to running a full fleet but gaining only 1/3 of the XP

and to top it all off, you're using maxed ships so that XP is effectively wasted

[tame pivot]

Also do you think I can get Napoli to Dev 30 by Christmas without using my 39 general blueprints? All my other PR7 ships are Dev 30 and this is my queue research rn..

[viscid swift]

pretty easily, not sure why you'd save the prints though

[wind hazel]

just use them, what are you keeping them for?

[hollow sail]

no real point in saving the prints here

[tame pivot]

was thinking about using them for an old season like potentially Kearsarge or Plymouth since PR7 is my first season where all my ships will be Dev 30.

[viscid swift]

so why not use them on Napoli so you can change your focus sooner

[tame pivot]

my only other dev 30 ships are St.Louis, FDG, Gascogne, Champagne, and Anchorage and Prinz Rupp at Fate Sim V

[viscid swift]

speaking of which, how many La-9 prints do you have

[soft raft]

why the hell are you only using 1 Sakura empire ship for CDC
Also with 3 ships, you may as well do a full 6 at that point since you're long past being under the oil cap

[zinc cave]

You don't really want to save newer season prints, especially DR, for older seasons if you're not maxed yet

[tame pivot]

Well I've already crafted one so far, and this is how many I'm at towards a 2nd one

[viscid swift]

honestley I'd keep priority in gear focus

[tame pivot]

trueee, ive kinda been being dumb

[tranquil rock]

how do you farm those

[viscid swift]

Pr7 research

[tranquil rock]

or like get them quickly

[zinc cave]

You pray

[viscid swift]

gear focus

[tame pivot]

Once I finish Napoli should I wait to get enough to craft a 2nd La-9 before going back to an older season?..

[tranquil rock]

oh
im still focused on getting anchorage for frontline tank

[wind hazel]

ideally yes, get at least the 2nd la9

[zinc cave]

The actual answer is you focus Rigging Analysis research, or quick alternate ones to get through researches as fast as possible

[viscid swift]

I would honestley just go full gear focus and get a 2nd La-9 before moving on to a 2nd season

[tame pivot]

Alr, once I finish up Napoli ill focus gear till I get enough to make 2nd one before I switch back to an older season 👍

[viscid swift]

no, I'm saying start focusing on gear now

you'll finish Napoli naturally by doing that

[stark quiver]

cheeky what do u take for gear focus

[tame pivot]

Well its not like im desperate / need a 2nd one asap.. Id rather finish Napoli first. Ofc whenever her face research isnt an option I go with gear research

[viscid swift]

one, a second La-9 is gonna be more impactful than Napoli over other tanks
2, getting 22 La-9 prints is gonna take longer than 180 Napoli prints and a lot more RNG

in the end aims should be to get around 4-5 of them

going gear focus now and getting that 2nd La-9 will pay dividends trust me

[viscid swift]

30m Q > 30m Face > 4H Q > 2H Q > 1H Q > 2H E > 4H G > 1.5H G > 2.5H G > everything else

[agile harness]

I'm a bit confused with the research focus, if I set it to focus on series 3, only research from series 3 ships will appear or they can also come from for example, series 6 (I mean the missions where they give prints of a specific ship)

[viscid swift]

no, what research focus means is that at least 3 out of the 5 researches per selection will be from that season

and if you max all the ships in a season bar 1, only the faces of the ship from that seaosn will appear

PR1, 2 and 3 researches will also not appear unless you focus those seasons which you shouldn't

[zinc cave]

think i had an old ss from lyoko somewhere for tenrai gear print research priority / tier list

[agile harness]

i mean, the only thing i want from the series 3 is the gear, not the prints himselfs

i just wanted to know if ships from others series appear

[viscid swift]

you can craft all the gear from series 3 in the gear lab

and for the Champagne guns I reccomend just getting them from the protoype shop

[tame pivot]

btw.. should I save my Halford, Daisen, and Bayard prints for when they get Fate Sim? Not sure how long after a season releases ships get Fate SIms.. or If I should analyze them for Proto Cores

[viscid swift]

and you're losing a lot by doing PR1, 2, or 3 research focus for any reason

[viscid swift]

well how desperate are you for prototype cores

[tame pivot]

Only need enough proto cores to get 18 more pieces to craft this..

[hollow sail]

this is not something that matters beyond potentially an infinetesimal amount (due to blue/purple/gold of the same face not being repeatable in the same set) since the probability of face research is fixed and shared by all ships, so when one is done that chunk of the probability effectively just gets moved to the remaining

[agile harness]

i see, i focused the series 6 because more than the gear, i need the prints from the researchs jsjsjs

[soft raft]

The PRs within a season on average get their Fate Sims in August the year after their release

[tame pivot]

Ahhh, so a good bit then..

[viscid swift]

series 6 is the weakest choice to pick of the seasons that you should be focusing

[rare wyvern]

Is Hindenburg worth it as tank with an AA gun or is the point to just a second main gun like Seattle ?

[agile harness]

i already have 3 ships from that series lmao

[viscid swift]

better choice would have been 4 to start with and then onto 7

[zinc cave]

found the ss

[viscid swift]

using her with an AA gun just makes her a worse Drake

[rare wyvern]

Is she supposed to off-tank ?

[viscid swift]

off tank or middle

[stark quiver]

she needs a 2nd CA gun
and offtank/middle depending on fleet

[forest palm]

she's a damage dealer with little utility that's Hinden she doesn't tank she slaps

[viscid swift]

what ships you unlock and what season you focus don't need to have any correlation

[tame pivot]

thats what I did since I started in late Jan of this year.. my first Dev 30/Fate Sim V ship was Anchorage.. then I got Prinz Ruppy to Fate Sim V since I like her, then jumped to Series 7 and have been on that since it dropped

[viscid swift]

unlocking ships is the easy part anyway

[viscid swift]

should have stuck with 4 until you at least got 2 tenrais

[agile harness]

then what season i should focus then

[viscid swift]

well how far you into series 6 exactly, print wise

[agile harness]

[viscid swift]

like, how many prints do you have for each of the ships in PR6

[viscid swift]

yeah

switch to PR4, focus on gears, with ship prints being a secondary objective

[viscid swift]

nd by gear focus I mean your research choice should be something like that

[agile harness]

30m Q?

[viscid swift]

Q research that takes 30 minutes to complete

[stark quiver]

the Gold 30 minute

[agile harness]

oh, that

but theres a particular reason for research focus the series 4?

[stark quiver]

good ships, good gear

[viscid swift]

gear and ships still remain overall the best

[obsidian ivy]

In qem, how invested does helmet need to be to one shot, +13 plygun tier?

[tame pivot]

Yeahh, managed to craft one.. and then Ive got 2 prints in storage and can buy 4 from the proto shop.. ill def go for a 2nd later

[viscid swift]

and even though the DRs will get coining soon and the gear moved to the lab,
it would be impractical to craft everything you want from PR4 from the gear lab due to the eye-watering amount of Ordinance reports you will need

[viscid swift]

pretty heavily invested

[tame pivot]

when will that happen btw?

[agile harness]

but from PR4 i already have agir to dev20, her CB gun and the green plane

[stark quiver]

how abt the other PR4s

[viscid swift]

Wichita META the few times I tried her wasn't as consistent but she'll kill woth less innvestment

[viscid swift]

late January give or take

[obsidian ivy]

Don't have Wichita so rip

[agile harness]

I am not interested in having them

[stark quiver]

oh yea did you run cvs for QEM?
i ran wichita, but couldnt one shot

[viscid swift]

nope, stuck with BBs

[viscid swift]

well you should, the gear and ships still remain among the best and are still used to this day

[tame pivot]

should I save my gear lab mats for when that happens?..

this is my current UR gear atm btw

[stark quiver]

save the t2 ords

[viscid swift]

well we have no idea how much it's gonna cost so yes

[stark quiver]

ig ima try with bbs, musashi needed? had her oathed so thats a bit harder to sync, and any specific timings to look out for? im gussing its js dont get caught in the phase

[agile harness]

i mean, i know that hakuryuu is very good but i already have amagi CV at lvl125 max limit

[stark quiver]

and anchorage?

[viscid swift]

Anchorage and Agir: 2 of the best tanks to this day still
AvP: The best easily available freeze, pretty much a must if you don't have Implacable
Hakuryu: Overall one of the strongest CVs still and is IJN so very good to pare with Shinano and Amagi

Bf-109G: one of the best fighters against light and medium armor, 2nd only the HVAR Hellcat and La-9 respectively

Saiun: One of the core 4 converging TBs

Twin 90mm: Best budget AA gun for non AA carries

Agir Gun: best permanently available CB Gun

Tenrai: best permanently available dive bomber

[viscid swift]

why not have them both, you could easily find uses for both of them and they compliment each other nicely

[agile harness]

because i dont need more CVs for the rest of stages jsjsjs, for now im making fleets for stage 13 and 14

[viscid swift]

though not as nice as Shinano and Amagi do

[viscid swift]

Hakuyu is use for both potentially, better than most options and she's very useful for OpSi and meta fights as well

the former of which you really want to do if you want to progress beyond W13

[agile harness]

i mean, for the boss fleet i already have amagi, shinano and musashi

[viscid swift]

that's not always gonna be optimal, and as I said Haku is far from the only reason why you'd want to focus on PR4

like for this past meta fight, this was one of the best comps

[agile harness]

but i dont think she is ver essential for stage 14 right?

[soft raft]

there's alot of ways to approach W14
but that doesnt neccessarily reduce Haku's usefulness

[viscid swift]

of coourse not, but again, Hakuryu is not the only reason why you'd want to focus PR4

least of all getting Agir to dev 30 and getting more copies of the gear from there

[agile harness]

the UR plane?

[viscid swift]

you may not think you need x, y, z but as you progress further into late you'll be forced to start specializing your fleets because the content get's more difficult

and there are not best in slot ships in AL for the most part, event among the best ships some are better in certain roles than others and the difference isn't always negligable

[stark quiver]

i used haku for w15
she finds a place almost everywhere

[viscid swift]

^ That is why you wanna focus on PR4

[agile harness]

yeah but rn my focus not is stage 15 jsjsjs

[little tree]

Even if it's not once u get to w12 your farming for w13+

[oak sage]

I was told that smt would happen once I reached chapter 9 when I asked abt xp grinding for shipyard but I cannot remember what that smt was

[agile harness]

im already farming for stage 13 and 14

[viscid swift]

well for one, who's to say it won't be after you clear W14

2, like I said she's still very useful for Operation Siren which you do want to do to get better gear because you will need it past W13

[stark quiver]

oil cap

[agile harness]

good thing that i already have eldridge with max retro

[oak sage]

my oil cap is 8500 rn and I do not remember what it used to be

[agile harness]

for the gear lab right

[stark quiver]

campaign oil cap

[viscid swift]

yes

[oak sage]

there's an oil cap for campaign?

[viscid swift]

eldridge alone isn't a free win in late campaign stages

[agile harness]

in opsi you dont need much the BBs?

[viscid swift]

what

[stark quiver]

you need both cvs and bbs equally as much

[oak sage]

so ur limited on how much u can do campaign a day or smt along those lines?

[viscid swift]

/oilcap

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[stark quiver]

no
it limits how much oil a stage takes on clearing mode
say for example, the oil cap is 901 oil per 3 runs, and your fleets take a total of 1500 oil for the 3 runs, youll actually only take 901 oil

[little tree]

If you don't have a good mob bb your cv's won't carry and vice versa

[viscid swift]

also, allow me to be blunt, it sounds like you're completely overkilling for W13

[oak sage]

ooooh

ok looking at that image imma just grind 9-1 for now

[agile harness]

yeah, im extra preparing me for that stage lmao

[viscid swift]

W13 and W14 are very much different levels of difficulty

[stark quiver]

if u can push to 9-4 at least
or push to chapter 12

[oak sage]

hmm ok

[little tree]

W13 was easy then 14-2 boss came along for my fleets. You can also get away will all cv in 13 compared to 14

[agile harness]

the only thing i know about stage 14 is that i need a DD with the hedgehog for submarines

[viscid swift]

there's a lot more to it than that

[stark quiver]

you also need good tanks
anchorage

[little tree]

You need fdg as far as I'm aware for mob at the least

[viscid swift]

if you want start a thread and post your dock, I will build you a fleet so you know exactly what to focus on

[agile harness]

yeah, rn im making her

[strange sphinx]

[agile harness]

good thing that she is very easy to dev up jsjsjs

[strange sphinx]

ASW unicorn

[agile harness]

let me open the game from my phone

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm imma make a thread again for 14-3...kinda lost in the thread

[agile harness]

i already have her in max retro at lvl 125 jsjsjs

[viscid swift]

tap on the thread icon

it'll first show you all the threads you have joined

[agile harness]

Fleet make for late game stages (13 and 14)

[strange sphinx]

oh well still gonna make cause I feel like there's many new things

14-3 FLEET GANG

[rotund tulip]

Is there a full guide for week by week for Project Identity?

[uneven cave]

Week by week plan is going to differ depending on which ending you want anyway

[rotund tulip]

I am aware, I don't see that as an issue

[uneven cave]

Then what's the issue

[rotund tulip]

I haven't found any to begin with, I think that because it takes around 2 hours to do has really reduced the number of people interested

[sharp socket]

i think he's looking for a wizard to follow

[rotund tulip]

I believe this is probably correct

[uneven cave]

I don't remember seeing a week by week walkthrough
Mostly because reaching the ending is pretty easy as long as you keep a few things in mind

[uneven cave]

Also yes I'm missing 2/3 of the endings because I never found the time and effort to continue

[vale spindle]

#1204845559790440488 pins here in this channel

[sharp socket]

its been some time since it released and because its a pain to do i dont think there's anything like that to follow, the thread may have some guides

[vale spindle]

If its not there then we cant help xd

[uneven cave]

^ it's not a walkthrough, but a guideline to make it really easy to head-empty the endings

[rare wyvern]

What exactly makes the Implacable/Illustrious/Indomitable good particularly as CV support fleet for w15 ?

[viscid swift]

fighter count, fighter slot efficiencies, AVI and reload stat

[rare wyvern]

Skills have no influence whatsoever correct ?

[uneven cave]

If I equip wyverns on support CVs, will they intercept

[rotund tulip]

Thanks peeps, prolly gonna go for the other 10 endings in a single session when I get home for break

[sharp socket]

not worth

[hollow sail]

correct

[viscid swift]

no

[hollow sail]

no, only fighters can

[sharp socket]

put your wyverns on main fleets

the extra 20avi is really costly and wont affect much

[uneven cave]

You're assuming I don't have enough wyverns for that

[sharp socket]

if you have them for whatever reason then sure

[vale spindle]

No

The game code looks at fighter slot only
not sure how dual fighter/tb slots work but even then wyvern is worse than one of the recommended fighters like skyrocket flapjack etc.

[sharp socket]

sam wyvern is a TB

[plain saffron]

See all slot
Only take if equip type is fighter
Then see if it have intercept

[uneven cave]

isn't that literally what they said

[plain saffron]

Dual slot

If fighter/tb, wyvern is worse than skyrocket etc

[sharp socket]

but its not a fighter

[plain saffron]

Please read again

[wind hazel]

dual fighter/tb slot...

[uneven cave]

EN moment strikes again

[zenith heron]

"Fighter/tb"

[sharp socket]

if its a fighter slot then put a fighter there

[plain saffron]

[wind hazel]

🫣

[zenith heron]

[wind hazel]

that's... that's what sam was saying

[sharp socket]

what

[plain saffron]

Sam said
He's not sure how dual slot work
So for fighter/tb slot (dual type slot)
Wyvern(a TB that can be equipped in that slot) is worse than any skyrocket/flapjack etc

In that statement he assume dual slot accept both for intercept

[zenith heron]

Its basically saying in dual slots only...

In a dual slot when it comes to that, Fighters are better than Wyverns when trying to do interception...

[sharp socket]

ok i get it now

[plain saffron]

In which even if it accept intercept from wyvern, fighter intercept still better

[sharp socket]

i dunno why he worded it like wyvern was a fighter but sure

[wind hazel]

holy shit 💀

[uneven cave]

[plain saffron]

Bro

[stark quiver]

he didnt

[wind hazel]

he didn't 😭

[plain saffron]

Not the fighter, the intercept

The comparison is for intercept

[uneven cave]

why are you still trying to explain

[sharp socket]

okok i understand

[spring bolt]

btw, tb with intercept in a dual slot will not intercept in ch 15 support fleet

[plain saffron]

Yes

[vestal glen]

umm whats return from the beyond?

[rare wyvern]

w15 fleet building time

[ivory pawn]

New mini-event. Do missions, get rewards and a unique gear.

[vestal glen]

ic, not the UR event right?

[ivory pawn]

Probably some story stuff too idk.

[vestal glen]

seems to lenient to be having a three week UR event

[ivory pawn]

More like a pre-event.

[vestal glen]

arr

[vale spindle]

for w15 support fleet (assuming wyvern interception counts) yes its basically a fighter in practice since the TBs never launch

[forest palm]

other slots just turn into stat sticks, so may as well just cram the highest AVI plane

[little tree]

Does shooting planes down count
Towards this dmg

[forest palm]

AA damage will always inflate end screen

[spring bolt]

yes, on top of that, sandy usually steals aa damage from others

[little tree]

Wanted to double check

[hollow gust]

that shouldnt be that off though jfc

[forest palm]

still funny that it tracks AA damage, but not Flood, or Burn

someday they'll rework

[stark quiver]

should i get 4th wyvern or third UR aa

[forest palm]

3 is more than enough

[viscid swift]

honestley I'd save at this point and see what January brings

[hollow gust]

look at the recc w15 fleets and check if your fleet needs more UR AA guns

[stark quiver]

i did w15 already

[hollow gust]

when you rech 3-4 rainbow weapons its just personal choice

[stark quiver]

ill save for now thx

[viscid swift]

at one point I was using 5 57s in 12-1.....

[forest palm]

Depends on how much you want to juggle equipment really

[stark quiver]

but this was for farming tech?

[viscid swift]

what else

[stark quiver]

got UR stuff then pushed

[viscid swift]

after a certain point you just craft stuff to make the farming life that much easier, unironically used the 57s more 12-1 than anywhere else

[patent raft]

What maxed cap level for every girls ships?

[gleaming trail]

Is she good?

[viscid swift]

no

[hollow gust]

no lol

[spring bolt]

+1 bb hit

[viscid swift]

125

[patent raft]

Thank

Also last one: what best ship girls meta?

[viscid swift]

meta for what

[patent raft]

The ship girl meta version. Which one is best one?

[tawny ermine]

i think he means META ships

[viscid swift]

best for what

[tawny ermine]

helena meta is pretty good since its pretty much just helena

[viscid swift]

not really

[spring bolt]

eh... the difference is quite big

[viscid swift]

her debuff is much weaker even if it is more consistent

[stark quiver]

jintsuuM good

[viscid swift]

her own damage is better but it's still not brilliant

[tawny ermine]

yeah as i said, pretty much not exactly, plus out of META ships she imo would be the best

[viscid swift]

definitely not

[spring bolt]

the biggest issue is the sync

[tawny ermine]

i dont own many of them tho

[patent raft]

Ok

[viscid swift]

again though, it depends on what you mean by best and for what exactly

you can't exactly compare a main fleet and vanguard directly

[hollow gust]

Helmet basiccally never works , helena generally works. one is unusable, one is the best ship in the gane

[tawny ermine]

again were talking about META ships and out of the ones ive used and know about helena is best from what i own and know about,

but i 100% can be prooven wrong

[viscid swift]

Allow me to be blunt

there are quite a number of them, all with varying capabilities,
so as with many things in this game it depends
not only on what you mean by best but best for what

because the answer can and will change depending on such

[dreamy blade]

are any of the purple cats worth using or do i just feed them to the sr cats for exp

[viscid swift]

a purple cat with good starting talents can serve as a good transitional cat

[hollow gust]

if you don't know about something, then its best not to advise about it?
Anyway Many of them are very good tech
Either way 95% of purple metas are shit
event metas are generally good
gold boss metas are generally decent ships, but you always have better
standadout ships are
U556 is a very good sub
Nagato Hiei and Bearn Meta for general mobbing
Kirov meta in niche situations with weak slow
fortune and jinstuu for pvp
Wichita is a glass cannon

[dreamy blade]

is ark royal meta's slow not good too?

[hollow gust]

just use normal ark

[viscid swift]

she's just worse than regular Ark Royal

[dreamy blade]

well dont have her my only ship with a slow is duke of york

[tawny ermine]

from what i own helena would be my best META

[hollow gust]

duke slow is not notisable

[viscid swift]

again, best meta to do what exactly

and anyway, saying your best META is a 0 limit break ship is uhh yeah...

[tawny ermine]

just allround

[hollow gust]

helena meta support skills are near worthless, plainly she is a dps ship

[ocean fog]

dang, almost got perfect starter for Submarine meowfficer

[viscid swift]

well QE would be your best main fleet and Helena yiour best vanguard if and when you get them max limit broken

[tawny ermine]

im not even gonna bother

[ocean fog]

Trp, Flame

but hp

[stark quiver]

shes 0 lb, shes not gonna do anything

[stark quiver]

not bad, works as a transitional cat

[dreamy blade]

she has really good ASW going for her at least

[viscid swift]

also, how do you expect us to compare main fleets and vanguards when they don't event compete for the same slots

[hollow gust]

saying a ship is best for you means absoluley nothing, its like saying ranger is my best ship when all i have are complete garbage. Does that make her good? no

[viscid swift]

one, not even really a positive, two, literally most DDs have better ASW than Helmet or most CLs for that matter

[tawny ermine]

again im not gonna bother explaining since i have mutliple times

[dreamy blade]

i guess my dock is an anomaly bc my only CL with more ASW than her is sandy

oh and atlanta

[hollow gust]

if you want feedback on your dock so be it, not sure how it will help others when your ships are probaly nowhere near his

[wind hazel]

nah helene meta certainly has higher asw than most CL

but the difference is a single digit number

[tawny ermine]

my bad for giving an opinion then man damn

[wind hazel]

higher than plymouth

[hollow gust]

and you dont use ply for asw

[wind hazel]

that's a different story

[soft raft]

That is factually wrong (that Helena META and Helena are the same)

[hollow gust]

also its like 4 more lmao

[viscid swift]

here's what I meant with my comment
all but 4 DDs in the game have an ASW stat of 152 or higher, 3 of the ones that don't are the bullins

only about 2 dozen CLs have an ASW stat of higher than 150

Helena META is one of them which is impressive but as far as ASW capabilities go it isn't, the vas majority of DDs will outperform her in the department

[tawny ermine]

another has joined the battle, i said in my opinion and from what i know and what i own

[wind hazel]

i wanna join the battle too

[viscid swift]

allow me to be blunt and maybe a bit harsh, your opinion on this matter is worthless

[wind hazel]

you're wrong, thanks, bye

[soft raft]

Then don't structure your words as if you know what the fuck you're talking about lest a newbie takes your words as legit

[tawny ermine]

ohh i clearly gathered that real quick

[viscid swift]

you do not have the experience or the knowledge what so ever to make an accurate observation

[dreamy blade]

helmet is the best bc thats what ectl says

[tawny ermine]

if you had 2 eyes you could read that i said imo directly under the message and also have said from what i own and what i know a couple times

[viscid swift]

when your Helena is literally 0 limit break and I refer you to this

[tawny ermine]

jesus christ i said an opinion and ive got the whole chat after me, my bad for expressing a damn opinion

yall dont have to target me for me getting something wrong

[viscid swift]

how could you honestley comment on her performance when you have only been using her in a terrible state and not anywhere near her potential

[wind hazel]

yes, because this is a gameplay-help channel. opinions don't matter, we only talk objective here

[hollow gust]

damn 2 dozen was pretty close , its only like 26 ships

[viscid swift]

your opinion is not only wrong but is giving the wrong impression on the people who asked and may be watching

that does have potential consequences I don't think you fully realize

[wind hazel]

misleading opinions can mislead players that actually seek for help, like the newbie earlier

[soft raft]

Honestly your defense sounds like you're severely backpedaling after saying this

[wind hazel]

this is why we are jumping on you, because you are misleading them

[sweet delta]

🍿

[hollow gust]

good evening

[tawny ermine]

you guys need to read

[eager mulch]

🍿

[viscid swift]

I have read it, and that is frankly not an excuse

[eager mulch]

what are we arguing

[wind hazel]

just have some accountability, accept your mistake, apologize, and move on

[tawny ermine]

BROTHER WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

[soft raft]

That is also a decent bit fter your initial statement that started this meds when we started taking issue with it

[wind hazel]

we're arguing whether amagi-chan is top tier or not

[viscid swift]

you're trying to defend, whether intentional or not, spreading misinformation and doubling down on it

[tawny ermine]

mori i know i made a mistake and i said that i have these guys are just going on and on about it like its the end of the world

[eager mulch]

She is the best ship in the game end of discussion, go next

[wind hazel]

alright let's go next

[soft raft]

Guy that has barely used either version of Helena much told another newbie that Helena META == Helena which is just plain wrong

[viscid swift]

you do realize what channel we're in right, we always strive to give good and accurate advice

[eager mulch]

helena is not the same as helena meta

[hollow gust]

no? its just your intial assessment is very very off, you only started backpedeling when others disagreed. You trying to defend yourself with its my opinion is what's dragging it on

[wind hazel]

thorin please come back

[hollow gust]

some statements you have been giving have been quite missleading to others, thats the problem

[tawny ermine]

jesus christ yall dont listen, in MY opinion right, and from what I OWN helena is the best FROM WHAT I OWN AND KNOW ABOUT, not as a whole just from what i own, i also said i can 100% be prooven wrong which i was, but need i say again, MY OPINION FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT AND CAN BE PROOVEN WRONG

[viscid swift]

pro tip in future, if you do not understand what you are talking about and solely going off of opinion rather than being objective, don't give advice on the matter

because it takes a lot more work to correct someone's bad take/advice/opinon

[eager mulch]

calm down, no need for caps

[tawny ermine]

i capitilised them so he can understand

[soft raft]

Well then you should've added such a disclaimer alongside your statement, but not like it would've helped much anyways if the guy still just takes your word at face value

[hollow sail]

i think it's time to just stop

[tawny ermine]

cause clearly his not getting the point im making

[hollow sail]

this isn't going anywhere

[sweet delta]

@atomic abyss could you change the /w15 link to this
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[viscid swift]

we get the point you're saying
it is not however an excuse

[hollow sail]

let a mod deal with it if it continues to happen ig

[soft raft]

That was AFTER that
Many messages after infact

[tawny ermine]

im not making it an excuse your thinking it is one it was the point i made from the begining

[forest palm]

[tawny ermine]

yeah im done trying to even get him to understand

[eager mulch]

[mellow cape]

worth using a dev 25 bayard to level or no>

[viscid swift]

point, excuse, whatever you want to call it
it's misleading, and you shouldn't have made it in the first place

[stark quiver]

you can if u want, maybe make up for it with better gear

[hollow gust]

u can level garbage ships, as long as they are alive , its fine

[tawny ermine]

you shouldnt have dragged this on in the first place, look where we are now

[soft raft]

If it's just the typical W12 farming, sure if you want
She already has all of her bulk at D25

[wind hazel]

just exp farming is fine tbh, i've used less

[mellow cape]

nicee ty, ill get on it.

[forest palm]

You can drag any research ship at any dev level if the goal is to just level the ship

[hollow gust]

lvl125 dev10 napoli

[viscid swift]

you're very much new to the game still

the frequenters in this channel are much experienced and knowledgable than you are, it is better to just accept you are wrong about what you said and learn from it rather than doubling down on your poor opinion

and let that be a lesson in life as well

[forest palm]

imagine not having dev 30 Napoli

[hollow gust]

mines dev 30 like a month ago

[eager mulch]

smh not dev1

[tawny ermine]

i accepted it from the begining

[mellow cape]

i envy those who started on pr7 early lol

[viscid swift]

so why did you keep defending your statement then

[whole crypt]

Napoli still d25

[tawny ermine]

because you kept saying i wasnt accepting that i was wrong when i told you to read and that i did accept i was wrong and that it was all just my opinion

[viscid swift]

we said your opinion was wrong and that you shouldn't have given that opinion as advice in the first place because you clearly didn't know enough on the matter and yet willingly gave it

[atomic abyss]

Drop the matter

[storm heron]

🍿 omw to backreading

[atomic abyss]

But anyways as said

[tawny ermine]

again im done, you dont know how to read and wont understand

[atomic abyss]

Let me back read before I say anything else

[viscid swift]

I do know how to read, just stop being so stuborn and learn maybe don't give advice on somehting you know little about

[hollow gust]

ender hasnt reviewed my artwork :(

[viscid swift]

and when someone tells you that just accept rather than push back and defend it just because it was an opinion

[cinder hornet]

I only have 1 black shell (and none gold white shell) is this worth crafthing and should I put in on Musashi or on my second BB?

[viscid swift]

yes, and depends

[waxen pawn]

hey im not sure if this is the right chat to ask this but can you get banned for oath renaming a ship to an inappropriate joke?

[atomic abyss]

Oh right I forgot to reply you
Have been ill for the last 5 days or so
It's fine

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

I think we need to segregate players with roles
No role = newbs
Advisor = people like me who can only parrots
Researcher = actual people who test and provide numbers

[mellow cape]

lollll

[atomic abyss]

No

[viscid swift]

yeah don't

[atomic abyss]

We will not have that

[stark quiver]

we dont
thats a horrible idea

[storm heron]

sorry I thought we are all onto that

[soft raft]

That would probably exacerbate elitism

[upper sinew]

Hey I'm not sure if this is the right chat to ask this but what's the best beginner guide?(Elite newb here)

[waxen pawn]

I've been in this server for like 4 years but i dont have a role lmao

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[tawny ermine]

im 100% gonna get punished for just expressing my opinion calling it

[storm heron]

true, segregation bad

[cinder hornet]

depends on? I'm working on Darkness as my second BB for now

[viscid swift]

give it to Musashi

[waxen pawn]

wait so if I already did it how am i supposed to change it back if i have a 30 day cooldown 😭

[mellow cape]

blur it out

[cinder hornet]

and black shell to darkness I guess?

[viscid swift]

and the depends was on which was your most powerful BB

[stark quiver]

just disable the oath names for now, and like dont flaunt it, change back when possible

[storm heron]

wdym "blur it out"

[mellow cape]

im telling that to ryusnipes lol

[hollow gust]

honestly if it got past the censors i shouldnt be that bad

[cinder hornet]

I'm not yet working on a second fleet, the reason I'm working on Darkness is because Musashi is already 125 so I don't want to waste that xp so yeah, Musashi is the strong one here

[atomic abyss]

Well as long as you don't using in pvp it's fine... (In game)

[waxen pawn]

oh alright

[mellow cape]

if he posts a pic here loll

[storm heron]

Ohh yea you get warned

[atomic abyss]

If you post it here I can't help you

[mellow cape]

does daisen, halford, or bayard fill any niche roles? Im struggling to find any teams or fleets that use them

[waxen pawn]

oh ok, thats chill then is there a policy i can read to see where the line is on what is and isnt allowed

[viscid swift]

not really no

[storm heron]

I mean, Patchouli got warned because of that

[sweet delta]

The niche is banned rainbow ships

[mellow cape]

ill just put them in the corner of my dock

[soft raft]

They are all basically redundant in the long run because UR/DR go brrrrrr

[hollow gust]

they are just good ships , usually if they arent UR, they arent that special

[atomic abyss]

For in-game
Not really
Just don't use names that'll get you reported

[viscid swift]

Daisen is just worse than UR BBs, Halford's only potential niche is 457 BBs which yeah...
Bayard looks to be a good mobber but there's not that many uses for just a damage dealer these days in campaign mobbing

[mellow cape]

yeahh i was hoping any of them had a role like kazu or aurora

[waxen pawn]

so as long as it's not on a pvp defense fleet its fine right?

[hollow gust]

there is prob a dozen ships who can do what bayard does but better

[storm heron]

bayard is as ok as drake goes

[mellow cape]

shame, i was enjoying the art on daisen

[hollow gust]

well nothing stops you from user her, just cause a ship isnt pure meta, doesnt mean its unusable

[storm heron]

depends on definition of use

people here be saying non mlb unusable

when I use nj 1lb in 13-4 and still be fine

[atomic abyss]

Anyways, no, you won't get warned for giving incorrect advise unintentionally especially it's a one-off/genuine mistake

We all have incorrect or hot takes at times, so it happens lol

Though I will say, it's best not to give advise on things you're unsure about

As for the rest

[storm heron]

yeah you will be surprised by the amount of bs I have said

[viscid swift]

you can use a lot of stuff for farming, less so pushing content

[atomic abyss]

We don't need the whole fucking channel to join in on a bandwagon to bash someone who's wrong

[storm heron]

I wasn't there

[atomic abyss]

1, maybe 2 people pointing out the mistake is wrong, and ideally, advise why they're wrong and what's correct instead

[mellow cape]

one last question before i go, memory is fuzzy but dev19-30 is 30 prints per level right?

[atomic abyss]

If you guys think that someone is deliberately giving shit advise to troll, ping me or any gph mod

[storm heron]

no, the prints increase per dev level

[atomic abyss]

It changes actually

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[storm heron]

which guys, like anyone?

[mellow cape]

ty

[eager mulch]

you guys so us

[atomic abyss]

I do mean the regulars

[storm heron]

cause there is this one fruitbuyer just suddenly accusing SYNX of trolling the other day
do note that last fruitbuyer's message was like a year ago before that trolling accusations

[mellow cape]

it helps me get through research thinking of it as a level by level basis instead a whole fat 513 prints lol

[storm heron]

oh ok regulars

[atomic abyss]

And not like suchi's innocuous ping to change the w15 command

[wind hazel]

[viscid swift]

you'll get the numbers memorized soon enough

[atomic abyss]

Which is the only reason I even opened the channel when I'm ill

[stark quiver]

get well soon ender

[eager mulch]

get better (optional)

[wind hazel]

mod me i'll take care of gph when you're ill

[storm heron]

nah what would happen to aurora and schimetta

[hollow gust]

where is cleo, thats what hes hired for

[sweet delta]

Who are the gph mods? Last time I pinged the orange role for a gph argument, I got attitude

[atomic abyss]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15
https://suchiguma.github.io/guides/chapter-15

[atomic abyss]

Anyways me, yuki, thorin, cleo in particular

[waxen pawn]

so this is fine right? as long as its not on a pvp defense fleet there's no issue?

[atomic abyss]

Yeah pretty much

[stark quiver]

and dont post it anywhere that may get you reported

[atomic abyss]

There's no other way for people to know what you name your ship after all

[final heart]

which one should I research first here?

[hollow gust]

Grant 4 hours or 1hr 30 , preferences

[soft raft]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[waxen pawn]

cool, thanks again Ender 🫡

[storm heron]

I'll do 1.30 tbh

just to get more Qs and ply face in the 2.30 diff

[soft raft]

(Tho Imo H is only worth it if you have more like at least 800 but I digress)

[atomic abyss]

Btw, that is Hipper META right?

[soft raft]

Probably yes

[wind hazel]

most likely

[viscid swift]

most likely

[strong tartan]

most likely

[waxen pawn]

most likely

[viscid swift]

still not confirmed yet

[atomic abyss]

Right there's no confirmation

[wind hazel]

damn gph hivemind

[hollow gust]

looks like her, from her chopping board to how dumb she looks

[strong tartan]

altogether strong

[uneven cave]

Considering her seiyu is on the livestream next week, I'd say
most likely

[soft raft]

So called free thinkers smh

[vale spindle]

is zuyi still a mod

[atomic abyss]

Ded

[storm heron]

not blucher meta?

[vale spindle]

sadge

[soft raft]

Her chest is too flat to be Blucher

[hollow gust]

blucher's tits are like 5x the size

[atomic abyss]

We haven't seen zuyi in this server for almost a year
He didn't reply Yuki's DMs either

[vale spindle]

oh no

[storm heron]

I guess my eyes fool me sometimes

[vale spindle]

its either hipper ii or hipper meta or a new hipper

either way we will find out in a couple days

[atomic abyss]

Someone was also telling me she has oripathy now (see her legs)

[soft raft]

Kinda like Essex META too now that you mention it

[uneven cave]

next collab already announced ainnoway

[hollow gust]

well the eye color isnt even right

[dreamy blade]

but the 30min one is still worth right?

the one that costs like 5k coins and 5 cubes or something

[storm heron]

idk I am cube savvy so no

[uneven cave]

I still wouldn't take it if I can't afford to guarantee the next UR

[soft raft]

If you have double digit # of cubes (especially like 20), ehhhhhhhhhh
If you have triple digit # of cubes, sure if you want, but ideally you'd still be at at least 400

[uneven cave]

Could you summarise pls, I cbf to backread

[storm heron]

tbh it's only worth if you are above 4 digits of cubes

[sharp socket]

i take UL all the time even if off season, though i also have 700 cubes

[uneven cave]

[sharp socket]

imo take if you like gamba, else dont

[wind hazel]

collab season is over so 4 digits can be reduced down a little

[uneven cave]

Wouldn't go that far, unless you're so paranoid you don't think you'll get that one Elite ship with 1000 cubes

[soft raft]

Newbie with basically no experience told another newbie Helena == Helena META

That's the nicest I'll put it since otherwise it was just a back and forth when Cheeky tried to correct him that kinda got out of control when other people joined in

[strong tartan]

elite ship pity

[storm heron]

you will feel that and agree with me if you sparked 2 banners in a row

[uneven cave]

Been there done that

[sweet delta]

spark is whatever

[atomic abyss]

well to be fair, sandy *was * powercrept

then she got buffed

[soft raft]

Wasn't that mainly in the DPS side not the AA side

[viscid swift]

yes

[storm heron]

bet nowadays is the same

[plain saffron]

Did they fix sandy bug

[viscid swift]

but that convo was about her AA capabilities anyway

[storm heron]

when do people even use sandy outside camp

[viscid swift]

outside of plane heavy maps I don't really

[stark quiver]

i use her for opsi mob, but thats cuz my fleet is cursed

[uneven cave]

I'd only see any other use in opsi when you're new enough to not have enough surface ships

[storm heron]

do you see scylla and shimanto being used?

you missed my point

[sharp socket]

i still use sandy for opsi mob to do light dps

[stark quiver]

i dont use her bc i have better options, people use her bc they dont have better options, it goes both ways

[uneven cave]

i simply don't use sandy because she's annoying

[storm heron]

Kaz, you lost back then, please just move on please

[soft raft]

Just mute your game kekw

[sharp socket]

also any evals on saint louis aug for her damage output

[whole crypt]

5 x 0 is still 0

[viscid swift]

literally, 99% of the time my game is muted

[uneven cave]

nah bro i need to hear my tlr wives

[storm heron]

meanwhile "jiyuu no tame ni" rings in my ear for some reason

[sweet delta]

at least +50% damage against light

and med

[sharp socket]

is she gonna do more against light/medium/heavy vs tai yuan

[sweet delta]

no/no/no

[sharp socket]

even with drake gun?

[sweet delta]

drake gun is not HE, and i assume full +13 bis gear and tech

[sharp socket]

no tech

i am new player

[sweet delta]

[storm heron]

nvm I missed the context

bis gear sanrui is unzen gun?

[atomic abyss]

drek gun is normal ammo

[queen jackal]

wats bugged about sandy?

[stark quiver]

her barrage doesnt shoot fully iirc

[sweet delta]

#known-bugs message

[storm heron]

some guns cause some of her barrage to be gone yes

[queen jackal]

[uneven cave]

Also anyone know if Yui Kotegawa's love facial expression is the correct one? Or is it an error

[eternal basalt]

Screen?

[novel adder]

Say... that steam datamine we got ages ago. Is there any update on that?

[viscid swift]

no

[plain saffron]

Might be copy pasted yostar login error from all their game

[cunning bison]

whats the next event? (faction i mean or is it multi-faction)

[atomic abyss]

there's no way to know for sure

all we know is that there is an hipper alt

[viscid swift]

CN has said it's Iron Blood

[novel adder]

Aren't we getting an iron blood ur event?

[atomic abyss]

ah

[forest palm]

[atomic abyss]

well to be fair, most metas that appear in events are from the same faction

[cunning bison]

well thats nice, yktwnii 2025 ig

[atomic abyss]

that was expected

[cunning bison]

yeah heres to hoping its soon (last 1 needed for my planned 2 fleets)

[novel adder]

Is that a no on no new info or no as in that was a mistake on the previous info?

[atomic abyss]

it is most likely the latter

[viscid swift]

no as in no new info other than that datamine find

[novel adder]

I see. Thank you.

[karmic pebble]

what makes kaesarge so special xept the plane slot

im losing money on research i need a reason to keep going

[atomic abyss]

she is part of the best anti-light armour team for arbiters and meta showdowns

[karmic pebble]

would u say she thrives in boss fleets or mob fleet

[viscid swift]

if you need money switch to gear focus for a bit

[atomic abyss]

not campaign
arbiters are bosses

[karmic pebble]

uhm what

i can focus on gear instead of women prints??

[plain saffron]

The one that take plates

Focus as in pick that type of research instead

[karmic pebble]

wtf how why am i learning this now

[viscid swift]

30m Q > 30m Face > 4H Q > 2H Q > 1H Q > 2H E > 4H G > 1.5H G > 2.5H G > everything else

[plain saffron]

You're free to choose ehat research to do

[karmic pebble]

Is this it?

[atomic abyss]

no

[storm heron]

why pr 6 focus though

[karmic pebble]

keesargwe

[atomic abyss]

you just continue the season you're already on, and pick rigging analysis researches that cost plates

instead of others

[karmic pebble]

ohh thats what yall meant

[storm heron]

yeah rigging analysis is just as good when you don't have that many coins

[karmic pebble]

imma take a break on keesarge tho im going bankrupt,ill farm for coins for the day

[storm heron]

(if not better)

[storm heron]

[dreamy blade]

how good are z46 or wakatsuki? i dont have any dd's leveled besides laffey, kagerou, kasumi meta, naganami

and on that note is kitakaze more useful than seattle/georgia

[storm heron]

all the ships are equally good tbh, not really late game material but good to raise for tech

[fiery pelican]

What's the name of this month arbi?

[storm heron]

hermit

[dusky cloak]

Should I buy U-37 from merit store even if I have no other wolfpack subs? I have 34k she costs 20k.

[dreamy blade]

thats 2 yellow bulins

[sharp socket]

for wolfpack yes

u96 u37 u410 is accessible wolfpack

then change u410 for gold KMS sub when you get one

unless you have some other combo of subs like davinci or fish

[dusky cloak]

nah I have completely been ignoring subs so far, I have mary celestea tho. thanks for advice 👍

[dreamy blade]

who does davinci usually pair with?

[fiery pelican]

Is this okay for this month?

[storm heron]

u-556 meta, homura, or any of the top gold subs

[quartz jungle]

Z46 is decent with Mogador gun, Wakatsuki is best out of your list

[zinc cave]

Standalone strong, can fit just about anywhere

[worn quest]

what is a 1:1 fleet?

[atomic abyss]

a fleet with 1 backliner and 1 frontliner
used for low cost farming by late/end game players on events

[zinc cave]

1 ship in the back, 1 ship in the front

[worn quest]

I cant beat 9-1 yet, so what should i farming until I do?

[atomic abyss]

your issue is levels, so just grind your fleet on 8-4 until you can clear 9-1

[tawny ermine]

whats your team looking like

[atomic abyss]

or

you can start divergent chessboard war archives to get german ships to unlock friederich de grosse in research

[tawny ermine]

german ships go brrrrrr

[worn quest]

it says i need 630 Iron Blood Tech Points, is that what german ships are?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[tawny ermine]

yeah

[worn quest]

unicorn, souryuu, hiryuu, laffey, portland, helena

[tawny ermine]

yeah then your levels is the issue

[atomic abyss]

no it's the lack of a BB

because that fleet cant kill suicide boats

[tawny ermine]

ohh yeah

[worn quest]

ngl i still dont understand what BB, Cv, and DD are

[tawny ermine]

swap souryuu or hiryuu with a BB ship

[atomic abyss]

how about we see what ships you have in your dock

[tawny ermine]

yeah i was about to say show what BB ships you got

[atomic abyss]

BBs and CVs

[worn quest]

only pensylvania

[atomic abyss]

because i would not recommend using hiryuu or souryuu on their own

[storm heron]

show us all what you got inside

[atomic abyss]

then use pennsylvania

[tawny ermine]

facts show us everything might as well

[atomic abyss]

and hopefully you have saratoga by now

[tawny ermine]

given your main is fine

[worn quest]

i got saratoga

[tawny ermine]

use her

[storm heron]

idk if penn gonna ward off those suicide boats

[atomic abyss]

better than nothing at all

w9 suicide boats arent really a threat

but they can be to a full CV backline

[tawny ermine]

use sara uni and pensylvania

[worn quest]

sorry im playing on my mac

[atomic abyss]

also, stick to 1 fleet

[worn quest]

i saw a guide where i sould be using a bossing and mob fleet

[storm heron]

is there really only 6 ships in a row? I remember like 1 row is 7 ships

[atomic abyss]

you said you cant complete
9-1 is where you can start to consider a second fleet

[tawny ermine]

only do that when you get to w12-4+

[worn quest]

oh

[atomic abyss]

because you wont have enough resources to split between 2 fleets early on

[tawny ermine]

ender i was using 1 fleet all the way to 12-4 and was doing fine

[storm heron]

no I'm not fine, bet that most people aren't

[atomic abyss]

so for now stick with the same frontline
for back use pennsylvania in the middle, with uni and saratoga for the sides

[worn quest]

am i missing any good ships i can farm

[worn quest]

ok thank you

[atomic abyss]

nope, it's about as good as it gets for a new player

well i suppose we could see what's in your medal shop

[atomic abyss]

i didnt react to your post tho

[tawny ermine]

only ones i can think of is retro uni and sara and helena

[storm heron]

if you want to optimize even more, you can just use the weaker fleet (since you have em at level 85) to like survive 2 mob fights, then use the first high-leveled fleet to clear the rest to the boss with ammo (wow, no -50% damage anymore!)

[tawny ermine]

but thats a bit of resources

[worn quest]

so i just use one fleet and ignore if i got 0/5 bullet things?

[storm heron]

this takos

[tawny ermine]

pretty much since all it does it half your damage

[atomic abyss]

yes
because a strong fleet beats all that

@jolly dune wrong server?

[worn quest]

so when should i be farming for gear, ive been looking at a tierlist and all the ships ive looked at so far has a repair tool box equipped

[jolly dune]

sorry

[atomic abyss]

toolbox for the frontliners only

[jolly dune]

miss

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[worn quest]

any of these girls worth farming?

[atomic abyss]

no

[storm heron]

until you have all backline and frontline damage tech, no

[atomic abyss]

not at the point of the game you're at, at least

[plain saffron]

I don't think you need to wait that far...

[storm heron]

poor oil

[worn quest]

damage tech?

[plain saffron]

Farm when you want them for collection and is done progressing

[atomic abyss]

in other words, pretty much late/end game stuff

[storm heron]

some ships give you bonus stat to all other ships when they reach level 120. Imagine this case with RLD, pennsylvania gives you 1 RLD. Imagine having 70 ships like pennsylvania, all of your ships gonna have +70 RLD

myb a little bit exaggerated

[plain saffron]

A lot exaggerated

[tawny ermine]

is there a list of all of the ships that give damage tech?

[worn quest]

ok ty guys

[storm heron]

nah don't worry about that yet nvm I thought you were takos

[tawny ermine]

lmao

[plain saffron]

It's things you farm after you done progressing
Bcs you'll need to lvl120 a lot of ships

[worn quest]

how do i get past level 100

[crimson glacier]

tap the exp bar

[worn quest]

oh

[storm heron]

Firstly, you need to level all the strong ships, this includes very strong SSR/UR
Then, you can go for tech ships, prioritize HIT and RLD then AVI/FP for main fleet, and EVA > HIT = FP for cruisers and FP for others
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#CL-1

[sinful escarp]

https://retropaint.github.io/azur-lane-fleet-tech-tracker/

this is easier to use, filters by ship and by tech

[tawny ermine]

this thing?

[sinful escarp]

that is different

[storm heron]

that is faction tech

[tawny ermine]

ohh ok i got it mixed up

[sinful escarp]

tbh you dont have to think about it too much right now

[storm heron]

switch the top right to fleet tech

[tawny ermine]

ohh i see

[sinful escarp]

its something for late game. once you get good fleets

[tawny ermine]

here?

[storm heron]

yes that shows you what you have got

[tawny ermine]

ohh ok cool

[storm heron]

Anyways I recommend on working on fleet tech as soon as you are able to clear C6 healing abyssal

Otherwise get stronger ships first

[tawny ermine]

im still really early on opsi but im trynna get through it

[sinful escarp]

that is in operation siren

[tawny ermine]

very early

[storm heron]

yea I don't think you're gonna be able to level fleet tech

might as well go for faction tech first, you need stronger ships for now, get someone strong from research or whatever

[tawny ermine]

yeah thats what im doing

[tawny ermine]

im working on plymouth i need about 130 more royal navy points

ive worked out who im gonna mlb for it

[slate shadow]

Are there any other sales like black friday where a lot of costumes return? Or is it just those and their own event reruns?

[atomic abyss]

black friday and the event reruns till they become perma

[jaunty vault]

not any like black friday

[storm heron]

upgrading lecture hall not worth it right?

[atomic abyss]

why would it not be worth though

[crimson glacier]

yeah thats probably one of the most weird questions i have ever seen

[storm heron]

oh sorry I mean past the part where books is constantly 1000+

[tawny ermine]

my stuff aint max i think there all lvl 9

[atomic abyss]

you shd max them out tho

it's free exp

[tawny ermine]

true

[storm heron]

but I guess everything is worth since coins are very sustainable long term anyways, 25k is just as useful as my marco polo collecting dust

[tawny ermine]

but its expensive

[storm heron]

time to do it for the extra 2.4 books per day

[tawny ermine]

yeah i might do it soon ive been thinking about it

[slate shadow]

Thanks. Guess I'm not getting that strasbourg skin for a long while still

[storm heron]

For saint louis, if I don't have an unzen gun, the saint louis gun is worse than the twin203mm mle?

[jaunty vault]

yes

[storm heron]

sanrui gun is a scam

[jaunty vault]

[coarse heron]

It's not a scam, it's just 7 years old.

[storm heron]

like the one used to craft it is better on sanrui than the sanrui gun

[left cedar]

isnt 6y old ... cuz pretty sure that 7y maybe only CN servers have that amount of time

or my time sense get crazy and i lost account

7y for CN and JP, but PR1 its 6y ...

[coarse heron]

yeah I just went "hmmm PR7 right now so obviously PR1 is 7 years ago"

[inland shoal]

7-1=7 indeed

[left cedar]

PR1 = 6y ago
PR2 = 5y ago
PR3 = 4y ago
PR4 = 3y ago
PR5 = 2y ago
PR6 = 1y ago
PR7 = this year

[spring bolt]

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1009255054731902993
next warm up event name is: ???
literally ???

[storm heron]

ytii?

[left cedar]

dafuk
HAHAHAHAHA
maybe its cuz it will be H-39 CV and she dont even exist in plans ... not even close to

[blissful hamlet]

It's Tirpitz Zwei tho

Is Napoli tankier than agir?

Is Napoli do more damage than agir?

[dusk maple]

about the same

[blissful hamlet]

Agir powercreep

How reliable is agir armor break?

[dusk maple]

pretty reliable

[whole crypt]

fairly, more importantly better than none at all for a BB fleet

[dusk maple]

3 years old ship

[blissful hamlet]

I don't see any reason to use Napoli then

[whole crypt]

would still use Agir over Napoli for BB, BisZwei also buffs

Napoli can be better in oddly specific high vanguard pressure cases

[blissful hamlet]

Isn't anchorage the best tank if you want to protect the vanguard

[dusk maple]

eldridge retrofit exists for that

[blissful hamlet]

Eldrige as tank is pretty

[whole crypt]

Napoli is essentially Anchorage+ and yeh Eldridge exists

[blissful hamlet]

But anchorage protect the vanguard while Napoli protect herself just like agir

[spring bolt]

usually eld off tank and stuff like hind/unzen/ply can main tank

[left cedar]

my Agir is locked cuz is KMS, hot, and get buffed 2x, by Bis2 in her fleet, and by UvH crossfleet, so i see no reason to swap her
even her being less tankier

[storm heron]

not to mention agir fatesim in 2 months

[left cedar]

i would bet tha Brest it will get her first, sameway that happen with Azuma and Drake ...

[storm heron]

what happened to azuma and drake?

[spring bolt]

they got fate sim much earlier than fdg

probably aug will come soon as well

[storm heron]

wait huh, so drake is like 5 year ago, so old, no wonder keep getting bullied by ca nowadays

[crimson glacier]

there is no schedule for dr fates

[whole crypt]

Nap also has smoke she just doesn't have invul

[humble solar]

guys what do I do with so many bulins

[wind hazel]

use it

[humble solar]

i have neither money nor ship worth to

[wind hazel]

then keep them

[humble solar]

wait why is your name red now

[crimson glacier]

does it matter this is gph

[wind hazel]

to tilt the italian copers

[whole crypt]

retire

[rare wyvern]

Is Champagne just very mid due to her low survivability ?

[crimson glacier]

low dmg too

[wind hazel]

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1009255054731902993?spm_id_from=333.1368.0.0 is this patch note?

[rare wyvern]

Wow, I thought it was the point of her, sounds sad

[crimson glacier]

if she had good dmg then survivability wouldnt even matter

survivability is very very rarely something that matters for backline

[rare wyvern]

Also, should I mix roombas et sextuples for AA ?

Or just full roomba ?

[crimson glacier]

you dont need that many roombas

[rare wyvern]

Noticeably pondering right now which to push to 13

[crimson glacier]

roombas are only used for range

[whole crypt]

hm JP notes not out yet letwme check who those butchered CN names are

if 13 just roombas are fine, assuming your ships aren't shit AA

[crimson glacier]

no reason to not use sextuples with them if you have them

[rare wyvern]

I got like 4 Sextuples, so yeah

[whole crypt]

won't be a huge difference using either if you don't need to craft from scratch

[wind hazel]

just slap the sextuple on your aa carries like sandy, roomba the rest, done

[rare wyvern]

Fair

[humble solar]

Where can I grind sextuples

[wind hazel]

gear lab

operation siren is always the answer i guess

[rare wyvern]

Precious motherboards

Also PR3 gear research

[crimson glacier]

pr3 is same as nothing

[left cedar]

Sexys can be protocore, but u have other Prioritys

[wind hazel]

doing pr3 research is ill advise

[forest temple]

Best place to grind pr exp? 12-4?

[crimson glacier]

protocores is like selling bitcoins for can of soda

[left cedar]

after dfinish 3 Champys, and Tenrai, u can monthly buy 20 PR3 BPs and slowy stock ur Sexys

[crimson glacier]

why even bother to talk about ways to get gear that are insanely ineffective and do nothing but hurt your account

[left cedar]

Pure XP 12-1 is marginally better, over thousand of runs (alot of ships lvled) it will be better

[crimson glacier]

when opsi is just easy

[forest temple]

Any reason to pick 12-4 over 12-1?

[wind hazel]

it's only better for oil efficiency

[left cedar]

12-4 have marginally more coins than 12-1, over thousand of runs, it will be noticiable the diff

[crimson glacier]

i just do whatever stage i feel like

[wind hazel]

more coin, and average medal from retirement which is kinda irrelevant

[crimson glacier]

i doubt the medal average is high enough to ever notice

[forest temple]

Alright gotcha, thanks guys

[left cedar]

protocores its a resourers that stack with thousands after years of gameplay, after 3 champys and tenrai, u pretty much lack of wut to do with it

[crimson glacier]

and the ppl who ask about gear often arent the ones that are swimming in all resources

[left cedar]

even me, not completing Ally PRs, and buying monthly PR2, PR3 and PR4 BPs i'm still over 15k protocores

[crimson glacier]

and how many years have you been playing? 4? 5?

[left cedar]

almost 5y

[wind hazel]

they probably need more than just champy and tenrai too....

[uneven cave]

Imagine if they let us buy multiple of the rainbow gear

[wind hazel]

like you know, bf109g

and this and that. sextuple is one of the least in priority from protocore

[tame orchid]

Am i allowed to post the ships i have? I want to ask if its possible to beat the hard arbiter with it

[left cedar]

for that reason, yes, but do in a thread

[barren tapir]

also saiun i heard?

[left cedar]

Saiun is sync reasons ...

[barren tapir]

yeah its one of the reasons pr4 is good

[wind hazel]

yes, but usually you'd get enough saiun from research

[storm heron]

:samstare:

[left cedar]

how ? if u stay there to complete Haky and Agir it will be enough to do considerable amount of Saiun and Bf109g

[wind hazel]

i forgot but i think it also dropped from event...

[whole crypt]

protocores for PR3 should only be champagne guns, sextuples not really worth it if you're going out of your way for it

[storm heron]

isn't it ryuusei?

[barren tapir]

so sextuples from gear lab only?

[wind hazel]

i think both did drop

[tame orchid]

Hard arbiter

[barren tapir]

how many do i want, like 1 per fleet?

[whole crypt]

at that point just don't craft sextuples

[barren tapir]

so 2 total for campaign and rest roomba?

[storm heron]

either 4 for campaign or 0

[coarse heron]

turns out Roombas were the best all along

[crimson glacier]

i wouldnt mass craft roombas either

[whole crypt]

roomba and save for rainbow

[wind hazel]

max i used was just 2

[barren tapir]

atm im just doing only roombas bc i dont rlly have anything else anyway

i got 5 roombas from the last event

[whole crypt]

roombas are fine from box/prints

[barren tapir]

craft in depot fine?

[zenith heron]

But never over craft, just only what you need

[coarse heron]

yeah that's fine, don't gear lab them, they're too expensive considering they come from tech boxes.

[tame orchid]

Aight ive posted in threads, help is appreciated