gameplay-help

[zenith heron]

Noted

[storm heron]

yeah just do 2URBB + uni + guam unzen ibuki

only switch fleet for harby

[forest palm]

Your fleets aren't far off from my own btw

[zenith heron]

well I did get trashed on bcs of using Perseus, but I shelved her off for NJ due to the saying that More dmg is better than healing some off

this one

[forest palm]

oh, it doesn't matter if you use Percy, or Uni, you can continue to use Uni

but ya as you can see the only real changes I'd say to your overall ops fleets would be Plymouth, and a proper mob tank the rest can stay as is

[zenith heron]

[forest palm]

I kind of wanna ditch Kron for Napoli tbh

[tawny ermine]

i was told perceus was only good for a second healer

are you using it in your boss fleet?

[forest palm]

no...Percy is a main healer, not a secondary

[tawny ermine]

really? interesting

[forest palm]

also yes that mob fleet does everything

I clear strongholds, mobs, and abyssal with it

[tawny ermine]

ahh ok

[storm heron]

not too far off

[tawny ermine]

jelous of your teams lol

[zenith heron]

one last thing tho, what makes Bristol being that useful at the Amagi Comp fleet?

[forest palm]

I can get that lol

[forest palm]

Bristol? wtf? Qyuet?
I've never heard such a thing

[tawny ermine]

even me a newbie knows bristol sucks

[zinc cave]

Bristol can be used but there's little reason with Amagi

[storm heron]

wth is bristol

[storm heron]

rate my humble fleet

[zinc cave]

120 Sirius

[zenith heron]

the only thing I am questioning here is the no Implacable but it seems fine to me, also I doubt putting an Eldridge Retro as a tank despite her OP ability

[storm heron]

sorry sirius had to die early since she is holding the pearl of life

[wind hazel]

looks horribly placed ngl

[storm heron]

yeah it's not meant to do anything other than mob

[storm heron]

yeah if only I have implacable

eld can tank better than cb I feel like, last month vs strength eldridge was keeping my vanguards alive for much longer

[zenith heron]

its hard to even do that if most of the torp bombers don't hit, so I guess that Eldridge does have a purpose to slow (Other than the invul Vanguard ability), but I doubt you even have an AvP (which needs to be the 2nd to strike) or Ark Retro (Haven't tried her yet nor have her)

[storm heron]

idk if I wil switch it tbh, harby cleared anyways

[austere hawk]

is this still bis for musashi by dishwasher1910?

[zenith heron]

On a mob fleet, yes

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content

[austere hawk]

w15 mob

[cobalt rapids]

yes then

[storm heron]

magato

[austere hawk]

every bit of damage would help, as i don't do opsi so my gear is very lacking

thanks

[strange sphinx]

[zenith heron]

If you have time tho, I would literally recommend you to do OpSi, started OpSi last month myself bcs my Ships are maxed to hell but my equipment is dire lacking

and its where you can craft most endgame equipment needs

[storm heron]

ships without good equipment is like a dull blade

[thin anvil]

is she good

[zenith heron]

Good but already powercrept

[storm heron]

smells like 2 cube pulls

[thin anvil]

more like 6

[spark ridge]

if u dont use the 5k oil, do u have to manually explore all the maps in opsi?

[zenith heron]

as a starter tho, she seems nice to get

[cobalt rapids]

yes but low prio for bulins and ships arent good till they are mlb
dont pull heavy/special outside events
only do 1 light/day

[austere hawk]

i know...i tried to do it many times but time consuming and not very engaging, every time i opened the opsi mode i just close the game when i get to the fleet formation screen

[thin anvil]

powercrept?

[storm heron]

I don't think she will be useful given you have to reserve the UR limit break material bulin to see what event will come

[austere hawk]

honestly
gold plates should not be mostly exclusive to opsi, i mean the event shop have been the same since 2019 and received no improvements, they should add gold plates and opsi blue prints to make the large scale events more engaging to end game players since most of the time the maps drops are utter trash

[zenith heron]

mhmm, powercrept by the likes of Musashi, Zwei, Alsace etc. but it does not matter as of NOW since its probably the first UR you got...

[storm heron]

:mods:

[thin anvil]

my first was actually mogador but ok

[tawny ermine]

100% imo

[storm heron]

ngl though I don't think anybody would actually care about that here, you definitely can submit them to the game-feedback

[tawny ermine]

if you have nothing better then 100% is amazing

[thin anvil]

icic

[storm heron]

also wdym by event shop have been the same, they literally add the permanent qol shop in 2021

[cobalt rapids]

theres a new UR event expected at end of month
dont throw ur UR bulins into NJ for now so just bench her

[tawny ermine]

i still use her since shes probably the best i have so yeah if you can get her to mlb then she will keep you set for a while

shes gonna keep me set for a while as well

[thin anvil]

okay

thx for advice

[tawny ermine]

yeah sevr listen to this

[austere hawk]

i tried to talk about it once in reddit and got downvoted to hell ☠️ i'm sure the devs know about this already but they are slow with such reworks

[tawny ermine]

new ur event coming up so the new ur could be insane

[zinc cave]

or niche

[storm heron]

gold plates mostly exclusive
well that's their decision to make opsi rewarding
same since 2019
well that's wrong since they added the monthly shop in 2021
they should add gold plates and opsi blue prints
well you got more than enough from opsi
map drops are utter trash
definitely rng map drops are not supposed to be always good

OFC YOU GOT DOWNVOTED

[austere hawk]

event shop i mean the large scale, it mostly remained the same minus adding the newer stuff like the augments shards and cats and such updates

sure, opsi is rewarding if you have the time

sorry for the off topic and thanks for the help

[storm heron]

augments shards and cats
idk who needs those stuff more than gold plates or ordnance reports

[spark ridge]

i hate the having to spend 5k or manually doing opsi lmao
i dont have 5k oil to spend, and i dont wanna manually clear the map

[storm heron]

tradeoffs

[spark ridge]

yeah so i havnt started it yet for december

[storm heron]

not like 5k is that much if you think about it

[spark ridge]

thats over 2 days worth of oil

[wind hazel]

if you are willing to wait, you can use the scan and auto search unexplored map. wait til scan ap goes down to 0 again, repeat process

[zinc cave]

^

[storm heron]

3k per day with comission and daily and canteen + 4k each week + oil from weekly missions

[wind hazel]

10mins per map

[storm heron]

you get like 110k+ oil per month and only need to spend 5k for the Previlege of pressing 1 button to do all 50 zones

[wind hazel]

i spend more oil than i can procure

so im saving the 5k

[storm heron]

yeah since I am here and become a warrior keyboard might as well save the 5k, have been doing that for the past month

[icy cave]

i havent manually cleared opsi in a very long time

[forest palm]

that sounds painful

[storm heron]

yes it is

but what else am I gonna do if I'm just spamming check here

[forest palm]

auto search, and full send

[storm heron]

it is negligible amount of time compared to the time I spent on gph

[cinder hornet]

do I have any BB worth upgrading/using? (I can get Hood from the newcomer missions too)

[forest palm]

Nelson, and Hood will be all you need till world 12

[cinder hornet]

worth mentioning that I have a lv125 musashi (that's why I'm looking for a second BB)

[forest palm]

Thougb you could forgo Nelson for Darkness

[sharp echo]

finally finished a retrofit

[cinder hornet]

my only issue there is gear, like, I'm a total newbie, I'm following slaimuda.github.io and I believe Darkness is not there right?

[forest palm]

Triple 406 MK6 + Tripple 155 + STAAG + White Shell + Black Shell is the most basic generic build you can make for most all BBs

[zinc cave]

yep, slaimuda is currently defunct

[mystic heron]

does napoli replace any of the main tanks here?

[zinc cave]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[storm heron]

switch black for hpfcr and I'll happy

[forest palm]

All those are fine as is

[sharp echo]

z23 or helena next to retrofit?

[forest palm]

Mind you she could replace Brest, or Agir, but I see little reason to do that

[sharp echo]

oke

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

wait why retrofit helena over starter first

[turbid dawn]

Well it seems following this guide has helped a lot, just a tiny bit off one-shotting still

[storm heron]

[turbid dawn]

2nd one did a bit worst, seems RNG then if its able to kill it

Is there a more cosnsistent one shot or will that never be the case

[quartz jungle]

Amagi CV comps probably?

[crimson glacier]

i just use the cn wiki one and its pretty consistent

i believe this uses 15 cv reload tech

[storm heron]

white dragon, one-hand, meteor, storm, huang yi

[zinc cave]

Ryuusei means shooting star

[turbid dawn]

What do if I only have 2 Tenrai?

[zinc cave]

less likely ofc

[turbid dawn]

What is 2nd best? The XS3BC?

[zinc cave]

helldiver wins until +13 xs3bc

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I have 1 +13

[forest palm]

Goldiver is not worth the resources

[zinc cave]

interesting investment

[turbid dawn]

Well I've been stuck at 2 Tenrai for so long so

[hollow sail]

XS3BC has the same exact bombs as helldiver just 0.02 slower reload, so the only functional difference if both are +10 is that XS3BC gives 20 more avi

[hollow sail]

which isn't considered worth making them in gear lab for

[storm heron]

this works too (for non assist)

[humble iris]

Should I replace anyone with Jeanne and tico and kazagumo

[turbid dawn]

Well sadly I only have attempts with barrages left but it killed right at the start of last airstrikes

Yeah each airstrike is doing about 32-33bars of hp, so this feels a lot better

[storm heron]

well that's what matters isn't it

[turbid dawn]

Also didn't realise that Mog can 'miss' her spear. Saw it happen 3 times during those fights where she'd launch it but stay with the VG and not do anything

[storm heron]

yeah her lunge factors in her acc stat

[turbid dawn]

That explains why I should've changed the FP AA to hit ig

[opaque gate]

is there a way to increase radar scan chance?

[hushed delta]

pray

how many la's do you really need?

[viscid swift]

I'm going for 4 from research

[cobalt rapids]

having like 3-4 is ideal

[hushed delta]

but what is it for? a better version of the flap? it's slower, isn't it?

[weary gust]

Quit and rerun the map over and over until you get luck with the rolls.

[viscid swift]

it's the best fighter for medium and heavy armor bosses

[cobalt rapids]

strongest plane against ST medium by far
also best dmg from fighters against heavy

[hushed delta]

yeah but then you have people equipping full torp bombers and tenrais for heavy

[opaque gate]

oooh so it is fine to rerun? tf didnt know that

[cobalt rapids]

some slots are locked to fighters

[viscid swift]

there are CVs with fighter only slots, i.e. Nahkimov and Implacable

[opaque gate]

also, helena meta is actually good when paired with helena, it is like 50% bonus dmg rather than 40

[viscid swift]

no

[opaque gate]

unreliable though

[hushed delta]

yeah 2 ships, then why do you need 4-5 of those planes?

[opaque gate]

is her stop reliable?

[weary gust]

The opportunity loss on that pairing make its wayyyyyy not worth it. You could be using another ship besides Helmeta that adds much, much, much more to the fight than 10% additional damage from the scan.

[viscid swift]

or rather I should say there's no inherent benefit from paring them together

[soft raft]

Only for boss fleet in W14/15, No, and is only really used for OpSi CV Boss fleets respectively

[soft raft]

nope

[viscid swift]

well Nahkimov and Yorktown 2 are gonna eat 4 when used against a medium armor boss in the same fleet

[hushed delta]

mmm ok I see, good point

[viscid swift]

plus either Kearsarge or another CV is gonna accompany them so that's 5 but by that point it should be close to being added in the prototype shop

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[hushed delta]

we don't even have hvar in the shop T.T

[boreal wagon]

i mean, hvar hasnt even rerun yet so why would it be in any shop

[weary gust]

Hopefully it'll get gearlabbed after yk2 rerun.

[hushed delta]

well I was expecting it to rerun (the gear) sometime since, I was really sad when the indiana event didn't come with them

[soft raft]

York2 should rerun somewhat soon
only problem is that Operation Convergence got skipped for Musashi so who knows when that'll rerun

[hushed delta]

so, kearsage, york2 and nyakhi do a good combo?

no soyuz? my dear

[weary gust]

It's hard to pair CVs and BBs together for bossing effectively.

Kear has buffs for both BB and CVs so she can fit into either.

[forest palm]

well the only ship she really synergizes with is Yorkii

[agile sparrow]

Do subs not move around the map and hit targets anymore?

My sub isn’t moving it’s just sitting in 1 square

[hushed delta]

soyuz, nakhi, york2 good? (I'm just coping because I still need 200+ kears prints)

[wind hazel]

your subs have hunting range, you can manually move them with oil

holy typo ovem

[storm heron]

ovem?

[weary gust]

The only reason to use Soyuz with yk2 and Nakh is to enable Nakh's stop with Soyuz's ice barrage, which is hard to time properly and can be fulfilled by a vanguard unit instead.

[agile sparrow]

Subs under never moved when I started this map

[weary gust]

Do you have them in hunt mode?

[cobalt rapids]

they dont move by themselves
they may look like moving in attack mode but they dont move they just attack a target but their initial spot doesnt change

[boreal wagon]

in hunt mode they do move

but those subs are in standby mode

[weary gust]

I'm wondering if he's got them on auto-call instead of hunt. There's three dead nodes and 3 uses.

[cobalt rapids]

its fake move coz the initial spot doesnt change like i said

[boreal wagon]

ye i just wanted to clarify that the chibi does move

[hushed delta]

but Soyuz also buffs Nakhi 2 times

[agile sparrow]

How to set to hunt never had to do that years ago

[boreal wagon]

click stategy and hit the icon with a sub and a pause button on it

[cobalt rapids]

soyuz is a good nahki pair

[viral flicker]

How long will it take for me to get an answer in tech support

Me ded

[rain hearth]

i used some map coordinates where i got 100 meta coordinates and a lot of good stuff

can anyone tell me what that is about?

[cobalt rapids]

wdym
pretty much everything drops meta coords in opsi
if it was a map coordinate it means it was one of these

[soft raft]

It is currently like 11 PM on a Sunday in China right now
Dont expect a answer until maybe like at least tomorrow

Buisness not having office hours during the weekend moment

[rain hearth]

yh
but others only drop like 20 max
there were at least 10 green chests, 30 or so fleet

it was a yellow treasure chest
but the previous yellow one only gave 20 meta data

[weary gust]

Sounds like a c6 obscured zone.

[rain hearth]

the danger level was 3

[weary gust]

c3 zones aren't* that big. So there's some sort of misremembering/misunderstanding going on here I'm thinking. You could get 30+ enemy nodes if you ran around the map a while and let the spawners fill out, but the number of green chest icons on the map wouldn't be upwards of 10.

It'd be around 5-6 I bet, and you probably would get around 100 meta coordinates overall from picking them up (not in a single drop from one chest).

[rain hearth]

yh
i got 100 in total

maybe i overestimated the number of chests
but it must be 8

[weary gust]

I'm running a c3 obscurred now to check. Two chests at the start, will see how many appear once the spawners are killed.

Five normal chests, one large chest in total. Each would give 15-20 coords per pickup iirc.

[opaque karma]

what does good OS light armor boss fleet look like

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur dock
as an example
kear yk2 smth - smth aurora sirius

[eager mulch]

[opaque karma]

ah would cariers be better

currently using this and its not feeling good

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur ships
if u have better carriers than bbs then they are better
if you have better bbs than carriers then bbs are better

but yes ur bb lineup is not the bestest

[tawny ermine]

gonna assume shes not good

[cobalt rapids]

but why worry about light, this month is hermit

[weary gust]

There's still abyssal zones with the immortality protocol ones that can be annoying.

[opaque karma]

the siren coordinates thing soemetimes comes up i really hate the VI CLs

[weary gust]

Also obligatory "faction fleet bad"

[tawny ermine]

i have come to the conclusion and that most german and uss ships are the best ships

[cobalt rapids]

wrong conclusion

[tawny ermine]

how?

[viscid swift]

good ships are good and bad ships are bad

[tawny ermine]

most of the german sr/ur/pr ships are really good

[viscid swift]

what faction they're from is irrelevant

[robust jackal]

Does a ships speed Stat affect hedgehog aim? 14-4, my hogs are missing like BB salvos from the concealment mechanic.

[tawny ermine]

i know it is irrelevant but ive just seen most names around being the german ships or uss ships

[cobalt rapids]

thats just the fog

[eager mulch]

amagi-chan isn’t USS or KMS

[viscid swift]

yeah that's not a very good apprach and b not very inclusive

[south sequoia]

You can say the same for about all of the main faction ships because all of them have their rainbows and utilities and damage

[south sequoia]

^

[tawny ermine]

like fdg, avp, bismarck zwei, uvh, agir, roon u,

[south sequoia]

^

[tawny ermine]

there all german and there all extreamly good, roon u is for newbies thats why shes there

[eager mulch]

ok but what about musashi, shinano, amagi cv, hakuryuu, shimakaze, unzen, azuma, amagi-chan

[south sequoia]

Roon U is worse for newbies

[south sequoia]

Or plymouth vanguard unicorn ark royal sirius implacable theseus

[tawny ermine]

uni is uss

[opaque gate]

i remember someone saying wyvern shouldnt be +13, why is that so?

[eager mulch]

no she isn’t

[cobalt rapids]

expensive and not as generally usefull as the other planes

[tawny ermine]

nvm

[opaque gate]

oh, but is it a priority to craft? cuz i can craft it rn

[south sequoia]

Reason being

• She is expensive to raise and get
• Core data is valuable due to you also needing it to buy shells, independence and what not
• She isn't a big enough improvement over portland retrofit

[viscid swift]

like just for refference, these are pretty much the ships that core of the meta and what 95% of meta fleets will be composed of

BB: Musash(IJN), Bismarck Zwei(KMS), Soyuz(SN), Alsace(FFNF), Keasarge(EU), Vanguard(HMS)

CV: Nahkimov(SN), Yorktown 2(EU), Implacable(HMS), Shinano(IJN), Amagi CV(IJN), Hakuryu(IJN), Aquila(RN), Unicorn(HMS), Volga(SN), Indepednence(EU)

CL: San Diego(EU), Helena(EU), Plymouth(HMS), Aurora(HMS), Sirius(HMS), Shimanto(IJN)

DD: Eldridge(EU), Laffey 2(EU), Mogador(Vichiya), Kazagumo(IJN), Tai Yuan(DE)

CA/CB: Agir(KMS), Brest(FFNF), Napoli(RN), Guam(EU), Hindenburg(KMS), Unzen(IJN)

[south sequoia]

Unicorn is quite literally a ship you will use for 95% of the game

[tawny ermine]

im aware cause i use her

[opaque gate]

what, sandy is used for meta fights?

[tawny ermine]

i thought she was uss forgot she was royal navy

[viscid swift]

meta fleets not meta fights

[opaque gate]

ahhh

should i craft wyvern now? cuz someone here said i should prioritize wyvern before

wyvern over flapjsck

[ebon storm]

Best gun for sandy?

[cobalt rapids]

definetly

100kai <> mog gun

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, for campwign right? but converging torps>wyvern for boss fights, assuming torps will hit

[ebon storm]

What is mog gun?

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[opaque gate]

ok thankss

[cobalt rapids]

twin 138

[mellow cape]

On the topic of converging, I finally got Vit , worth to max or wait for la9?

[weary gust]

Campaign bosses parallel torps are fine, since they move so much and you probably don't have a stop paired with them.

[ebon storm]

Whag about gold/purple options

[cobalt rapids]

converging vits?
would enhance the other conv tb first
depends on ur setups

[cobalt rapids]

not best

[opaque gate]

i see, zamn shouldve just went for 100 kai rainbow dd gun for my UR gear designs

[weary gust]

Main fleet weapons > Vanguard weapons

[cobalt rapids]

2-3 wyverns > 1-2 mk7 before spending UR blanks on 100kais

[opaque gate]

then wyvern should be used fornmob fleet right?

[cobalt rapids]

for campaign

[opaque gate]

and MK7 is the best HE gun for BB?

[weary gust]

All except for Musashi, who needs an IJN gun.

[mellow cape]

This is what I have rn for TBs. Is Vit worth to use over these yet or wait?

[opaque gate]

ok thankss

[storm heron]

555

[ebon storm]

But any good options?

[cobalt rapids]

why are u enhancing so many 💀
and dont enhance multiple at the same time
do em 1 by 1 to +13
also u want like around ~2 at +13 each
but like i said depends on ur setups, best is only enhance when needed
4 is overkill

[cobalt rapids]

twin 114 ig

[mellow cape]

Ahh yeah that was a mistake I made a lot a year ago. I've recovered since but I still have remnants of +11-12 gear

[opaque gate]

if i did not see that chat, i wouldve +13ed my converging torps lol if j have the mats

[mellow cape]

To be fair you're right lol. I only have two CV fleets I consider decent for light armor and med/heavy

I'll wait on the vit until I have some boss to use it on

[cobalt rapids]

imo just enhance gear to +13 that is enough to gear 1 fleet because u can swap, more than that is luxury
most of the +13 end up being for bossing( harbis/showdowns/cms) so you dont fight with more than 1 fleet at a time
campaign +13 is also good but u run hybrid fleets in campaign not monohull so usually you get enough to distribute among em

[mellow cape]

Sounds good, dutifully noted

I don't even want to show you more of my gear mistakes I made a year ago. I'm pretty sure it was ender that fixed my understanding of gear loll

[cobalt rapids]

its ok, its just setbacks
you can always grind more goldplates and sometimes devs add new gear upgrades in gearlabs that use ur "mistakes" as prereq so you can get ur plates back

[mellow cape]

How many t3 parts do you have?

[crimson glacier]

[cobalt rapids]

wait t3, like a few thousands
they get abundant

[mellow cape]

loll I'm assume that means a lot

[crimson glacier]

all older players have infinite t3

relatively

[sweet delta]

A lot for most people

[mellow cape]

Oh forgot to ask this, where does vit fit in with the current raster of TBs?

[cobalt rapids]

sidegrade to the others, for timing
it is slowest

[mellow cape]

Oh it's slow More damage I'm assuming?

[eager mulch]

it is slowest, most damagiest of the conv tbs

[cobalt rapids]

yes its abit more dmg but the important part is ur timing
its not a big difference enough that you adjust ur timings around vits

they also have a longer launch to target time

[mellow cape]

Mmm noted ty

I don't think I would have an immediate use for them off that info

They do look really nice on nakhimov and a la9 lol

[opaque karma]

does doy and helena dmg buffs stack

[viscid swift]

yes

[spring bolt]

yes and they multiplies

[rain hearth]

just to be sure, non boss fleets of divergent d4 also drop the iron blood ships (besides sr) right

[mellow cape]

For future use of nakhimov with Tashkent, would I be using manual to guarantee nakhimov's freeze?

I don't really like the idea of using soyuz and nakhimov and synching that loll

[cobalt rapids]

no need

[rain hearth]

do you know, sea cat?

[cobalt rapids]

that i dont know

i would assume yes but

[eternal moth]

Yes, but at a lower rate

[rain hearth]

so should i kill all fleets or go for boss?

[eternal moth]

Just auto the stage

Use your double drop items if you have them (HELP)

[vestal glen]

just wondering but, is there anyway i can get better gear for my musashi? idk if this is even the best build and idk where i can farm for gear when im still in lvl 47

[remote quarry]

That seems fine for your level. Just keep grinding and pushing campaign

[vestal glen]

alright thanks, btw is the yamato gun absolutely necessary for her?

because i also failed to get it right b4 event ended

[remote quarry]

Faster gun is best for her. He4 barrage is most of her damage

[tawny ermine]

mf has musashi at lvl 47 damn

doing better then me

[vestal glen]

believe me, i speedrun lycoris in 2 days. incl all the coins and cubes

i got her at like 40 or 50 ish, on the last hour of event

[remote quarry]

A wise choice

[stark quiver]

Use a 155 for secondary, staag aa gun, fire control radar gold and a black shell

[tawny ermine]

yeah i stopped playing for 400 days so i missed a bunch of events only started playing again a week ago

[remote quarry]

Bruh, hes level 47

Hee doesnt have any of that yet

[stark quiver]

Just use w/e then

[vestal glen]

i got the 155 but purple only

[stark quiver]

Use a purple white shell if u have it

[vestal glen]

i doubt i have it

also is it worth building san diego? i heard she was good but not sure

[stark quiver]

Not right now

[tawny ermine]

ive completed this zone 3 times now and it still wont complete what am i doing wrong?

[weary gust]

Sandy is good but eats a lot of gold bullins, not a priority early on

[remote quarry]

One of the best vanguards in the game

[viscid swift]

complete what

[tawny ermine]

ive killed all ships and looted everything

[weary gust]

You were probably doing loggers for that area, not the explorable.

[vestal glen]

ummmmm

[tawny ermine]

it says explorable tho

[weary gust]

It does now, idk what it was telling you before.

[remote quarry]

Yeah, you won't need her until much later

[weary gust]

If you clear it now it'll be cleared.

[tawny ermine]

neither but imma do it again see if it clears

[vestal glen]

ig now i know why im poor and deprived of golden bulins

[tawny ermine]

i got sandy when i started she carries

[viscid swift]

you may as well finish her at this rate but focus on completing her modernization mode, ignore all the other which don't help you unlock that

[vestal glen]

alright i see

[tawny ermine]

you cant ignore the others

[vestal glen]

dump or save for next UR banner?

[tawny ermine]

save

[weary gust]

For future reference, if you have a logger on a zone (yellow/red chest) or a big red whirlpool, you can select which type of run you want to do (the logger, whirlpool, explorable, or secured) by clicking on a grid icon that will be in this area.

[tawny ermine]

i gotta start saving gold tbh

[remote quarry]

Trying to prioritize spending my protocores. Stuck between twin 406 and quad CL gun. I know I can get the 406 in gear lab, so should I snag the quad CL gun? Already have everything else.

[tawny ermine]

ahh ok thanks

[vestal glen]

meanwhile me who trying to save but keep falling short becoz of gear upgrade and retrofit

[tawny ermine]

same ive been upgrading ships and stuff so ive been poor af past week since last event ended

[viscid swift]

457 you mean? I would prioritize that over the Plymouth gun

[remote quarry]

Even though I can get it with gear lab prints?

[tawny ermine]

speaking of plymouth im trynna mlb a bunch of royal navy ships to get her

[vestal glen]

now that i think abt it, is it worth it to save fuel or just keep grinding past campaign missions. because i know my team is strong enough but idk if its worth or not

[tawny ermine]

still need 230 tech points 😦

[vestal glen]

i just burn through fuel so much

[viscid swift]

yes because the Tenrai is getting added soon and even it wasn't the 457 eats a ton of mats

[remote quarry]

I already have 3 tenrais

[tawny ermine]

same tbh i know my team can clear so imma just start saving

[viscid swift]

you can start an event with 0 oil and can still get enough to buy the event shop of all the important stuff before it ends

[remote quarry]

But, makes sense. 457 it is

[weary gust]

How do you have 3 tenrais but no 457's?

[vestal glen]

i see, aight im grinding it is

[viscid swift]

probably iffy prototype core managing

[vestal glen]

also for some reason whenever i want to three star a hard mission, it keep showing boss only so i cant three star. why is that

[tawny ermine]

im guessing event starts on the 12th?

[weary gust]

Turn off clearing mode

[vestal glen]

well this kinda sucks

[remote quarry]

Been grinding the heck out of pr4 research

[vestal glen]

ah icic, alright thanks

[vestal glen]

they actually level cap your campaign progress??

[viscid swift]

well that would be the only way to get 3 tenrais right now

[weary gust]

That means you're progressing well, just grind the previous stage or war archives or something until your commander level goes up.

[viscid swift]

yes

[tawny ermine]

rip time to grind for you then

[vestal glen]

any archives in mind?

[viscid swift]

or if you want spend 5 bucks to get the level 70 commander pack

[weary gust]

Divergent Chessboard for kms, depends what ships you want.

[remote quarry]

Got 1 from protocores, 2 from research

[viscid swift]

yes I know

[vestal glen]

so we can actually pick a UR?

[viscid swift]

huh, you can't get any URs from farming the WAs

[wide ember]

Is there a chance that we get Bismarck II rerun in the iron blood event ?

[weary gust]

Divergent Chessboard has a lot of purple/blue KMS ships that can drop from maps for tech.

[remote quarry]

No

[vestal glen]

nvm wrong context

[wide ember]

[viscid swift]

I would bet everything I have that wouldn't happen

[vestal glen]

is there anything i can even do with these bunch of ships

[remote quarry]

Yes. Win

[viscid swift]

well first get Unicorn

[vestal glen]

no i mean like which ships to focus on....

[vestal glen]

huh how?

[cold wyvern]

Mushy and Laffey alone will take u to 13

[weary gust]

You can stop splitting your gold bullins 5 different ways.

[remote quarry]

Guild shop, under elite ships

[weary gust]

MLB one ship at a time, don't partially mlb a bunch of ships.

[viscid swift]

seccond
Musashi, Unicorn, Houshou, Portland, Laffey, Wakatsuki, take that fleet and grind and push

3rd, don't spread your bullins around like this, ever

[vestal glen]

oh ye any idea on how to speedrun for tech points

[viscid swift]

right now don't

[weary gust]

You're not at the stage where you should be caring about limit breaking ships for tech points.

[viscid swift]

you're not in a position to be focusing on PR at all

[vestal glen]

feels dumb because i try spending normal bulins on iron blood to speedrun agir

[remote quarry]

T we ch points are a marathon, not a speedrun

[vestal glen]

oh....oh shit

[weary gust]

Go farm Divergent chessboard, you'll get tech points from ship collection.

And even IF you are spending bullins for tech, you don't get ANY tech points until mlb, so still no reason to spread bullins around.

[viscid swift]

right now you're not gonna be able to farm DC at all though, head to SP5 of Universe in Unison in the War Archives and farm there for a but

[vestal glen]

ye i kinda regret that after spending the bulins haizz

[weary gust]

Using gold bullin in fleet and partially limit breaking a ton of SR ships are the two most common newbie mistakes.

[viscid swift]

also might wanna give that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[storm marlin]

Any good Sakura Empire AA ships?

[viscid swift]

Isuzu, Shimanto

[weary gust]

Akashi

[vestal glen]

wait why universe in unison again

[sweet delta]

It's low level

[viscid swift]

and you get Cosmic Kicks fro grinding it

[vestal glen]

what is this again

[weary gust]

EVA aux gear

[stark quiver]

isnt the kicks from polaris

[viscid swift]

is it? whichever one one has it, farm that one

[stark quiver]

its polaris w/ the kicks

[young flame]

How can i change it to fate , im done dev 30 but it not change to fate for upgrade

[stark quiver]

she doesnt have fate yet

[viscid swift]

she doesn't have a fate sim

[young flame]

Oh ty

[vestal glen]

did not think we could get unicorn from the shop wow

helena as well...........

damn and here i was thinking what to do with the abundant amount of guild tokens i have

[remote quarry]

Yeah, lots of solid ships in guild shop

And you can get multiples, to save bulins

[vestal glen]

seems nice

now that i think abt it, idk abt the two rares in the guide but do i still use them if i alr have other characters that are build but not that strong?

[viscid swift]

Portland you'll still use, Pennsylvania no

[vestal glen]

i see, thanks

dang 6k guild tokens and i thought those were absolutely useless aside from the guild shop

[remote quarry]

You can also get gold plates with them. 10 of your choice every 3 days

[weary gust]

Portland you need for the newcomer missions that give you bonus rewards. Getting her to mlb/level 100/retrofitting are some of the missions.

[vestal glen]

are those the only worth things?

[vestal glen]

yeah i can see that, honestly i was starting to get concerned because i retired my original portlans from the newcomer missions

[sweet delta]

Retrofit blueprints for sure if they appear, and there are a lot of other stuff you can buy

[vestal glen]

wait wdym by this

[sweet delta]

I mean there are a lot of things in guild shop that you should buy every reset

[vestal glen]

you mean retrofit blueprints?

[sweet delta]

Yes

No problems

[vestal glen]

is it really random everyday? smth i just noticed

[sweet delta]

It's semi random and resets every Monday and Friday

[eternal moth]

It doesn't reset every day, and no, it's not completely random. You always have the rare, limited and elite ship, and gold plates. Other items are random

[vestal glen]

ic

what is the best way to actually grind a set of ships from lvl 1 to higher levels asap while focusing on oil efficiency

[eternal moth]

XP books

[vestal glen]

im broke on this, spent too much on musashi :/

[spring bolt]

guild shop resets twice a week, at 0:00 Monday and Friday, server time

[vestal glen]

any other way?

[weary gust]

A week in the dorm with food about gets them to level 70 (at base comfort)

[vestal glen]

oh wow

[eternal moth]

I don't know what spending has to do with XP books, but yeah, you can stick them in the dorm instead.

[sweet delta]

It does?

[weary gust]

A bit short of 70, probably 65ish. It's been a long time since I was at low dorm comfort

[vestal glen]

these are xp books right?

[weary gust]

I used to always throw my event ships in there to get them to 70 for the banner profile icon reward, and with 6 ships in the banner raising 3 each for a week in there that was enough.

[eternal moth]

You start generating them once you hit level 100 with your ships

[vestal glen]

yeah i spent all to boost musashi and san diego

[sweet delta]

Does dorm exp depend on commander level?

[weary gust]

Comfort level

And any special food bonuses.

[spring bolt]

yes and cmdr level is the main difference

[ivory pawn]

If wiki is accurate:

From https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Living_Area#Training

[cobalt rapids]

like 22 days at cmder <50 with no comfort

[sweet delta]

Better luck next time, you get 20 exp packs tomorrow

Who are we meeting at the back house?

[vestal glen]

huh from where

[sweet delta]

The free 4000 oil weekly pack in shop

[vestal glen]

oh that one

[weary gust]

Hmm. I definitely did raise my ships in dorms from events early, and was getting them to around 70 in a week. I must have had more comfort/commander level than I thought. On the order of cmdr level 60/dorm comfort over 100.

Which I guess is not a high bar.

[sweet delta]

you remember when you were level 60?

[jaunty glade]

when you get to the point of having high prioriry research targets for 1-4 completed, should I just focus on clearing everyone from 1?

[cobalt rapids]

60 cmdr and comfort 100 is 9 days indeed

[weary gust]

A fair amount. That period passed quickly though.

[weary gust]

and that's without food bonus factored in

[sweet delta]

What do you mean by high priority targets?

[weary gust]

Level 1-20 was like day 1. 30 by day 2 or 3. I was probably cmdr level 60 by 2 weeks at most.

[jaunty glade]

FDG, AVP, Azuma, Anchorage, Cheshire, Izumo for example

[spring bolt]

yes i do, i was grinding tolove t5 like there is no tomorrow, and still failed to reach cmdr level 80 before event ends

[sweet delta]

Aegir and then whatever

[stark quiver]

did you guys ever buy the lvl 70 pack

[jaunty glade]

even though I can't coin her?

[cobalt rapids]

catchup brings her to d15 which makes her better than alot of the other options
and then her coinup should be added soon ( a few months )

[jaunty glade]

d15? never heard that acronym before

[cobalt rapids]

dev lv 15

[vestal glen]

any priorities in gem expenditure?

[jaunty glade]

ahhhhhhhh ok thank you

[cobalt rapids]

/gems in #bot-spam

[vestal glen]

damn that is not that many gems

i was alr thinking like a lot of gems on dock space, but wtf it feels much worst

[cobalt rapids]

if you think thats not enough but alot of f2p players find it enough

[vestal glen]

i meant for docksize

idk tho, im a new player so ye

[cobalt rapids]

yes, u will obviously have to make some sacrificies at some point as f2p
meaning no keeping every single ship in dock
but if you spend em as recommended in command you should be fine for the most part

[vestal glen]

oh ye how do you farm dorm tokens

[cobalt rapids]

mostly comms

[vestal glen]

i see

how many times do we have to expand first floor before we can unlock second floor

[cobalt rapids]

uh 3 times iirc

[vestal glen]

well that suck

is it worth to do self training comissions?

on second thought this feels like an absolute waste of fuel but idk

[soft raft]

the one that costs 1.2k oil? Yes that is indeed a waste

[vestal glen]

oh damn no wonder my oil never cap out ever since i did that

[sweet delta]

It's good when you don't have time to play for a few days

[vestal glen]

seems fair

ive been staring at the tierlist, but just how good is musashi in current meta

[sweet delta]

top 1 BB in campaign,
top 3 BB against heavy bosses,
top 5 BB against medium bosses

[stark quiver]

good campaign bb
good bossing bb too, but limited by her gun usage

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

Is Alsace the highest damage BB?

[sweet delta]

if the battle is 10 seconds long then definitely

she gets weaker relative to other BBs the longer the battle goes, breakpoints are somewhere in 40s to 100s depending on the specific battle

[crimson glacier]

and sometimes zwei is just cheating compared to all other options

[elfin hollow]

Interesting, I just got musashi, still missing zwei, next rerun?

[ivory pawn]

Expecting Yorktown 2 next.

[sweet delta]

next UR rerun is

[elfin hollow]

Ok don't have her either, so that's fine

[ivory pawn]

Think there was one more expected after her and before zwei.

[elfin hollow]

I have big UR bulin problems, don't have any to limit break vanguards

[elfin hollow]

Ok so two CVs then zwei

[soft raft]

Operation Convergence is somewhere in the corner too (Possibly Frostfall as well between Implac and BisZwei)
and we dont know when it'll decide to pop in since it got skipped for Musashi

[eternal basalt]

First the new UR, let's see how she upsets the balance, and it might be 2 too

[crimson glacier]

im already upset

[forest palm]

would be interesting if the devs just purge mid sized events from the rerun schedule

it certainly would help with the backlog, but it's going to create UR fatigue

[novel solstice]

URs stop feeling special when you get one every month.

[forest palm]

I'm to baked into the gacha scene to care about rarities, and how they should feel

I'm more concerned for the newer players that will have to deal with the deluge of URs

[ivory pawn]

We'll just have to be a bit pickier with who to MLB at first. Or whale for dupes.

[forest palm]

Ya but the potential of like 5 URs from now to May is a thing, and that's not accounting for WA, I imagine it'll be broken up by SSR events, but still

[mellow cape]

What would be the next rarity up from ultra lol

[forest palm]

LR(?)

[crimson glacier]

AR

[novel solstice]

Mega-Rare? InsanelyRare? MoreRareThanYouCanImagine?

[spring bolt]

medium rare

[eternal basalt]

USSR

[reef flume]

Legendary Rare

I have some ships that I'd see with that rarity

[mellow cape]

I wouldn't mind if enterprise 2 would be released like that

She's always been my fav but that's a gen topic

[reef flume]

Enterprise 2 is an utopia

And yes let's discuss this somewhere else

[ocean fog]

Which one I should MLB first? or should I wait for the new event just in case?

[viscid swift]

are those all the UR Bullins you have/can get?

[ocean fog]

yep, at least this month

[viscid swift]

I'd wait at this point

[ocean fog]

Alright, fair point

[tranquil rock]

wait what is laffey II's special AA gun
and can we directly see the stats of it?

like is it like flak or smth
and i want to know its stats

is it listed somewhere?

[cobalt rapids]

here https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine

[opaque karma]

how do u use the yorktown reload buff? i tried having her go first to shave off the remaining ~1s cooldown enterprise and ticon has but the reload reduction doesnt seem all that noticable

[cobalt rapids]

it should be definetly noticeable

[tranquil rock]

thank you

[cobalt rapids]

and yk2 can be before or after em, it works either way
but usually for syncing shes before
for desyncing ( stagger ) shes after

[sweet delta]

It's like an extra +13 twin 90 on laffii

[tranquil rock]

oh wtf

[tranquil rock]

this thing?

[undone heath]

How to timing CVs for hel meta?

Without Independence's help I can't imagine

[cobalt rapids]

make ur fastest cv and slowest cv 0.2s within the 2nd cv ( freezer )

[undone heath]

Without freezer cv I mean

I want to play three Sakura CVs

[viscid swift]

well what is there to sync to at that point

[austere hawk]

Ascended

[stark quiver]

does helmet even have any stop points

and if youre using ijn cvs, id say use 3 bbs

[undone heath]

I understood

[hollow sail]

i don't think that "2" is accurate

[cobalt rapids]

idk what bullet count for ghost aa means tbf

[hollow sail]

she should only have 1 AA gun

chart maks it seem like she has 2

[tranquil rock]

but thats bullet count
not mount count no?
unless bullet count = number of mounts

[cobalt rapids]

bullet count for aa doesnt make sense

[tranquil rock]

yeah

[viscid swift]

it is bullet count but AA guns in game at least don't have bullet count

[cobalt rapids]

now that i look at it sushi said +13 twin 90 so idk the dmg looks off then aswell

[hollow sail]

not sure what you mean by that

[viscid swift]

anyway, I'd just ignore it, I checked Shimanto's ghost AA gun on the same page riceist has nothing listed in those columns for it

[hollow sail]

it's just a mistake by him, cuz it would def be very noticeable if she had 2 of those very strong guns

it has very high alpha (more than double the other guns), but just 100% efficiency as the balance

[cobalt rapids]

i see you meant another twin90 mount not a twin 90 ghost

[eager mulch]

[earnest crag]

Which skill that is high piority, should I upgrade for New Jersey?

[cobalt rapids]

make em all 6 then go top to bottom

[earnest crag]

Oh ok thanks!

[queen jackal]

whats the best way i can go about syncing avp closer? aviation manjuu on avp/saiun on magi and nano?

[cobalt rapids]

is this against med or heavy

[queen jackal]

idk i use it for both its just my boss fleet

[slow fox]

That's a neat UI. Is that still Renhex builder?

[queen jackal]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/ its this one

[forest palm]

I find it clunky

[slow fox]

Lars mentioned

[stark quiver]

its clunky but more comprehensive

[slow fox]

I find it pretty fast and responsive?
Where clunk

[viscid swift]

just figuring out where to change settings and such is all a bit confusing

[cobalt rapids]

medium/heavy

[viscid swift]

like, I appreciate the ability to see the reload times with everything factored in but I feel the damage calc bit is a bit superfluous

[forest palm]

the level slider doesn't need to even be there

[boreal wagon]

which is why damage calcs are now disabled by default

[stark quiver]

theres a lot of stuff
but i dont touch most of them so

[viscid swift]

also, the inability to loadout more than one fleet at a time is a big drawback for me

[forest palm]

I'm just sticking with Ren's because it's simple in form

[queen jackal]

is that bearcat on avp?

[cobalt rapids]

tiger

[viscid swift]

that's the tigercat

[queen jackal]

oh tiger LMAO

looks good tho ty ill keep em in mind

[stark quiver]

umi lar collab?

[boreal wagon]

my tool can already export to renhex

even import from it

(its also very much not attempting to replace it which is why i have never claimed anything)

[forest palm]

initially looking at the settings was really overwhelming when I was looking for like 3 particular settings

[boreal wagon]

i changed settings recently

but due to the sheer amount of them theyll always be rather difficult

[viscid swift]

yeah I just noticed, it's much nicer to navigate now

[forest palm]

on the laziness side of things I'm probably just gonna stick to Ren's cause it's simplistic, and I already understand it, and don't need the features from Lar's that's one of my things about it

[viscid swift]

have you considered adding a search by name function for ships and gear btw?

[boreal wagon]

its going to be overkill for most people

[viscid swift]

it's rather handy to have just to find equips sometimes

[boreal wagon]

there is a search box

[cobalt rapids]

it has it

[boreal wagon]

it even can search by most aliases

[sweet delta]

the search box needs arrows pointing to it imo

[viscid swift]

is there?

[forest palm]

it sort of just looks like a suggestion rather than a search bar lol

[dreamy blade]

theres no point in doing the normal stages of war archives right, just low oil rush hard to get to d4?

[sweet delta]

or just have yet another setting that allows me to hide equip i'll never use like Pyoko-Pyoko by default

[boreal wagon]

u can already

configure owned equip and just show only owned

[sweet delta]

[viscid swift]

oh I see where it is, really not obvious to be honest

[forest palm]

like I didn't realize this was a search bar, and wouldn't have known it was without ya'll saying there is one

[sweet delta]

but what if i set owned equips and then a new equip gets added

[stark quiver]

i like the cat feature

[sweet delta]

i like cats too

[boreal wagon]

ill see what i can do to make it more obvious

[boreal wagon]

itll be hidden

[stark quiver]

could js make it bigger & brighter text

[boreal wagon]

ye i have ideas i just need to see how they look

and have free time to actually do it

[forest palm]

it's not a matter of text brightness, or size tbh, it's that the bar itself blinds into the UI, and it's more of a suggestion rather than outright giving the hint that it is a search bar

[boreal wagon]

its an issue of having the same color as the bg mostly so it just does not stand out

the text inside it is pretty clear as to what it actually does

[opaque karma]

is there any way to make yk2 and co sync up with helena / hmeta? trying with hmeta rn and even with no EU gear shes still a tad too early

[sweet delta]

helena meta just doesn't sync with anything

[opaque karma]

[storm heron]

[elfin hollow]

Where that from

[cobalt rapids]

a cn site

[forest palm]

could just make the text Search Bar

[cobalt rapids]

https://al.pelom.cn/home

[elfin hollow]

Thankyou

[slow fox]

colab when

[boreal wagon]

[still nest]

Is exp gained by ships are affected by commander level?

[forest palm]

afaik only in the dorm

[eager mulch]

[zinc cave]

Affected by other ways but not by the commander level.

[autumn ibex]

do u get anything when u craft the medal from the to love ru collab? like will the medal go to ur depot

[stark quiver]

its a dorm decor

[autumn ibex]

ohh ok tyty

[tawny ermine]

is hood worth lvling up? and is she a boss or mob ship

[storm heron]

she is a mob ship, she is raised for power only, so raising her depends on what your other BBs are

I saw you have gasc and nj, so no she is not worth

not to mention you reached w12 too

[soft raft]

(Well this is assuming Gasco is D30 and NJ is MLB)
And also you'd still need another BB for boss fleet eventually so Hood still is worth consideration

And Hood is a BC which can be handy for the occasional BC requirements in hard mode

[barren tapir]

id prolly take hood augment over gasco anyway, if only bc she slows down the battle less

[languid pendant]

for 15-4, if a fleet is doing boss fight 1 and 3, would it make sense to use an AP gun on a BB, or would HE be better
the boss in both fleets is med armor

[barren tapir]

gasco iirc shoots her salvos individually which means twice the slowdown lol

[sweet delta]

457mm

[stark quiver]

457 for your mob fleet and he for boss

[barren tapir]

oh gasco has really good tech i forgot. hm

[sweet delta]

i think doggo did his research

[languid pendant]

i guess HE for boss is to get to the actual boss quicker?

or is it for killing the DD escorts on boss #3

[stark quiver]

if your boss fleet is only doing bosses 1 and 3, then run 457mm

[tawny ermine]

alright thanks

[soft raft]

Whoever's fighting boss 2 would have HE since it's light armor
And whoever's fighting the first and third bosses would use AP since they're both Med armor

[tawny ermine]

thats just my old screenshot lmao

[eternal moth]

Interesting. I just got this, but it should say Participate in 35 exercises, not wins. I haven't won a single time on this server

[zinc cave]

Sounds like a #bug-reports, use !submit in #bot-spam if you want to make a report about it.

[forest palm]

[eternal moth]

I guess it's more a question of if it's supposed to say participate, or if there was a bug that gave it to me

[hollow gust]

Sounds like a feature

[storm heron]

Is this a bug, or is it just localization?

[sweet delta]

oh then mebot is excused

[storm heron]

[slow fox]

Real

[tranquil rock]

how good is constellation for that role

[stark quiver]

good

[hollow gust]

better then hood

[slow fox]

According to Suchilist, BBCBBDDDXXXX3322XXXX1XX

Hood is DDDCDDDDXXX-32111XXXX1XX, so it looks like Constellation might even be better cross the board. :mutsuki:

[hollow gust]

[stark quiver]

a bit cursed when put like that, but oh well

[weary gust]

I think we're going a tad overboard with this.

[storm heron]

ascii representation be like

[slow fox]

It's like better hexagons.

Would you rather have SSSSSSCSSX-3XX5664X51XXXX or DDDDDDDDXXX-11111XXXX1XX

(Nakh with Soyuz vs Amagi Chan btw)

[storm heron]

yeah duh cause nakh the only one having 566

[slow fox]

Holy encoding

[eager mulch]

im taking the amagi-chan one

[viscid swift]

there must be someway to compress this to an int....

[slow fox]

That's very DDDDDDDDXXXXXXXXXXXX of you

[eager mulch]

[stark quiver]

S^6CS^2X

[slow fox]

Electron config holy

[eternal moth]

My latest account just got Riche, how would you compare her to Hood or Nelson?

[hollow gust]

why bother investing to her

[viscid swift]

she exists I guess, haven't got strong opinions on her

[storm heron]

better than hood vs suicide bote ig

[slow fox]

Richelieu is DDDCDDDB-2-2X-4211212XX1XX, and Hood is DDDCDDDDXXX-32111XXXX1XX.

If you took the difference between the two, you get 0000002220-100011200000, meaning that she's probably a little better than Hood in her usage and offense. Be careful about that on -1 though.

I think I did the subtraction wrong

[stark quiver]

mebot how do you calc ehp

[stark quiver]

nice

[storm heron]

mebot casually giving up IP

[slow fox]

eHP theory should be spread among the population like the light of the sun bathes and brings activity to the Earth.

[eternal moth]

I have no idea how to interpret your statement...

[slow fox]

That's kinda BCCCBASBDXX-2X12315XXX2-1X of you

[rocky tapir]

Is 12-4 still the recommended leveling stage?

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4

[tranquil rock]

i want to level my bossing fleet ships, but they dont have sustain due to not being in a mob fleet, should i swap out my two frontlines so that the bossing fleet’s frontline gets to level or

[tawny ermine]

just 1 more to get maybe ill save this for new ur instead of trynna get 2 for shinano

[viscid swift]

where are you farming again?

[tranquil rock]

my highest completed stage is 10-3

[viscid swift]

worst case just swap someone in the boss fleet with Unicorn

[tranquil rock]

for frontlines for both fleets: Boss fleet: portland, helena, and la glassionare META
mob fleet: laffii, laffey retro, and otto

[viscid swift]

La Galassionare is la shit

[tawny ermine]

im running unicorn in my main fleet for opsi atm since im still really early in it so the healing just keeps my ships at max hp so i dont need to use healing stuff

[tranquil rock]

i have swiftsure is she good
heard shes fragile and not good for off tank so

[hollow gust]

dont even bother

[viscid swift]

not really

[tawny ermine]

nah i even know swiftsure is bad

i used her when i was new new and yikes biggest mistake i made

[tranquil rock]

oh yeah and i have san fransisco and am close to getting anchorage built
should be able to dev level close to 30 insantly with the amount of BPs i have

[hollow gust]

[tranquil rock]

yeah i dont really have her leveld shes like level 90 with some levels on some skills

[tawny ermine]

mines lvl 105 😦

[stark quiver]

between cl ca and dd fp, which ones have more prio

[hollow gust]

.... you dont even have her built u dont know if shes bad or not

Either way she is a decent ship, its just not worth investing into her early on

[viscid swift]

you'll get more use out of CL FP but DD FP will make a bigger difference

[tawny ermine]

well not built built but ive used her and she isnt that good compared to other ships ive got

[tranquil rock]

and i have baltimore and bremeton
should i use either sam francisco balti or bremeton
are they good
i cant really play right now but ill see if i can get on tmrw

[viscid swift]

use San Fransisco

[hollow gust]

you are going to max her eventually anyway for tech

[tranquil rock]

typing on mobile is SHIT

[tawny ermine]

yeah true she is royal navy which is what im trynna get atm

[hollow gust]

level your backline then

[viscid swift]

not that tech but I guess she helps with that, bloody expensive though

[hollow gust]

swifsure isnt really for royal tech, she just has Cruiser hit

[tranquil rock]

im gonna eventually swap out portland for anchorage once dev level 30

[tawny ermine]

well i need royal navy tech for plymouth

[hollow gust]

then level backline royals, they give more

[viscid swift]

there's cheaper ways of getting Royal Navy Tech points than swiftsure

[tawny ermine]

im doing warspite, centaur and formidable and then i think prince of wales

i need 230 tech points so i have more i need to mlb but yeah

[tranquil rock]

i need to replace massachusetts with smth else in my boss fleet
cuz ion know if shes good for that and it doesnt seem like it
any recommendations
just any non ur

[tawny ermine]

centaur and formidable and warspite just needs 1 star each

[tranquil rock]

cuz currently my boss fleet is massachusetts, bisz, and enty

[viscid swift]

Massachusetts isn't good for anything

besides hit tech

[tawny ermine]

ohh monarch gives 33 points for lvl 12 i might do that tbh

[hollow gust]

there are so much strong CV , shouldnt make you use double BB boss

[tardy shadow]

should i use general blueprint for FdG or keep developing her with coin?

[viscid swift]

you're not exactly lacking options

[tranquil rock]

who do i replace her with though
saratoga is level 125 and can be moved there but then my mob fleet would be handicapped cuz i dont have another good mobbing backliner

[tranquil rock]

cant load images / slow to load rn

[viscid swift]

QE, Valiant, Nelson, Rodney, Ark Royal, Renown, Repulse, etc

[tranquil rock]

actually, im currently leveling san diego, once her retro n stuff is ready do i add her

and replace la glass cannon

[viscid swift]

yes, she doesn't even need to be retrofitted, so long as she ahs her augment

[tranquil rock]

well not leveling moreso just getting retrofit and augment first (and the skills upgraded)

[hollow sail]

if it's season 2-3 gen prints sure, season 4+ nah just be patient

[hollow gust]

turn those prints into protocore...

not into ships you can coin

[tranquil rock]

i have like
211 anchorage bps ready due to blueprint conversion
just need to wait on the combat data collection xp (i turned all the combat packs into protocores)

[hollow sail]

protocore minmax isn't that crucial, depends how starved you are for a UR

[hollow gust]

???

[plain saffron]

How is that even related to UR

It's for prototype gears

[tranquil rock]

protocore is not ur
specialcore is

[hollow sail]

you misunderstood

[plain saffron]

Depends on how many they already have

[hollow sail]

i think you are confused not me

[viscid swift]

which for newer players is not a lot at all

[plain saffron]

Like if you already used all 1 and 2 catchup then yeah they had enough

[storm heron]

for someone who bricked account by not protocoreing pr1-3, I am sad seeing that I don't have enough for hindengun

[plain saffron]

It's not that important that you bricked an account though

It's just minmax that help you progress a lot faster

[tranquil rock]

how do you brick an account with research tf

[stark quiver]

you cant

[hollow sail]

i never minmaxed protocore even on PRs didn't really feel particularly bad tbh

[viscid swift]

you can't

[stark quiver]

like literally theres only a handfull of ways you can actually brick an account

[tranquil rock]

ive never heard of this though i am returning
pr never had a quest or anything for me i just got thrown into it

[plain saffron]

It's just help you progress a lot faster
Not mandatory, but not not crucial either

You can live fine not doing it, but you'll have better time doing it

[storm heron]

imagine staying for 3 tenrais for 6 months, only for other people to craft 4 in a blink (they got 3 la-9 too)

[viscid swift]

if you don't rush things that hard you're not gonna notice it, but if you do then you really feel the pinch

[tranquil rock]

also am i supposed to be able to research pr 4 despite not doing anything from pr 2 and 3

[plain saffron]

Yes

[tranquil rock]

yeah ok thats normal

[plain saffron]

They just grouped by release year/season. No gate

[tranquil rock]

literally me

[storm heron]

also gear focus kinda sux for some reason ^

[plain saffron]

What's wrong with doing that though

Like protocore only gives you one, not that big of a difference

[stark quiver]

the only way to "brick" your acount really is to scrap hedgehog

[plain saffron]

Other people also stay on that season for quite a while to get multiple tenrai

[hollow sail]

even this not much of a brick when you can use eld + a normal DC now anyway

[stark quiver]

~~al too easy ~~

[eager mulch]

not for some people

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind Eldridge is one event limited and b won't exactly remain relevant forever

[hollow sail]

not sure how you're measuring the latter point. i know she's event limited for now, so it depends on the specific player's situation

[stark quiver]

i refer to new players
cuz i know anyone whos been playing for some time, would have the sense to not scrap limited gear

[viscid swift]

what I'm saying is at best it's a bit flimsy solution since to match the performance of the hedgehog you have to use 2 depth charge launchers or an event-limited ship that new players won't have access to again for the best part of a year

it's not a good solution is what I'm saying and to be blunt, if someone isn't that far into the game and they have scrapped it, I would reccomend starting over at that point

[hollow sail]

why two, she has a +10 hedgehog by default doesn't she? just one DC somewhere would prob work well enough

[viscid swift]

two if they don't have eldridge retro, which many players will not especially the further we get away from her item run

[hollow sail]

i mean i wouldn't disagree that if they're pretty fresh just restarting is pretty valid

just that it's a reasonable cope if you fucked up and do have eld; and might be a little more accessible cope in the future

[viscid swift]

I don't know if I would call it reasonable cope seeing as you've basically permanently set your account back in that department

[hollow sail]

well that's why it's a cope. if you feel you're at a point of no return then you aren't gonna be able to do something else about it than just go with the next best thing

[storm heron]

idk if hedgehog scrapping bricked

the fact that there's not even any subs unless I push to w14 and beyond

[viscid swift]

truly bricked no but as I said, it's one of the few ways to permanently set your account back

and for what reason even, to gain an extra aux plate or free up some depot space

[sweet delta]

is brickedness an objectively measurable quality?

[hollow sail]

only contextually

[storm heron]

bricked is not that binary I guess

[stark quiver]

ima be honest, there are probably permanent account nerfings, but prolly no bricks, theres always one way or another you can make it up

[storm heron]

but truthfully, idk if there's any solution other than the "just farm tech and wait for URs in 12-4" strategy, is there even a chance of 14-4 being a good place to farm 6 ships without AA gimmicks in the future

[sweet delta]

there's a success story of going from bricked account to passing 11-3

[viscid swift]

the equivalent in terms of ships would be like refusing to use Unicorn
would you still be able to do all content, yes, would it matter for most stuff, no
but man have you made things that much more difficult for no good reason

[dreamy blade]

im gonna be honest if someone scrapped the hedgehog despite the game warning you against it then they deserve to be set back although not sure why the game even allows you to

[hollow sail]

hedgehog deletion is a true brick in the sense that you can't undo it and it permanently gimps your highest ability to deal with subs; as for the impact it actually has that's gonna be subjective to the goals of each player and their other available options

[plain saffron]

Because people will complain if you can't

[storm heron]

wait until UR ASW gear added just like how people thought the purple avenger is the only ASW plane they'll ever had

[plain saffron]

||Idk how that even related but ok||

[storm heron]

well it's not brick cause one can chill in 12-4 and still reach 99.8% collection

[viscid swift]

that's not what we meant and you know it

you can still clear all of the main campaign without the hedghog, it's just gonna be that much more difficult because you have to compensate for the lack of it and all the complications and hassle it brings

[forest palm]

it's not even a brick it just means you have to run 3 ASW gear, it's just more annoying tedious work, there's 0 way to brick yourself in this game

[storm heron]

ever since meta doesn't take up dock space, not even gems can theoretically brick you

[eager mulch]

[viscid swift]

oh it certainly can

[forest palm]

as I said there's 0 way to brick yourself, there never was, and never will be

[eager mulch]

brick account by deleting the account

[whole crypt]

you can't permanently brick your accout unless you make a persistent effort to, all problems can be fixed with proper play given enough recovery time

[hollow sail]

no real point in arguing the semantics of bricking anyway

[wind hazel]

this convo is bricked

[hollow gust]

damn they still on it?

[forest palm]

it's not semantics, it's called using a word correctly

[rapid grail]

can even full lethal clear 15-4 without hedgehog?

[forest palm]

sure you could, would probably just take more work

[zinc prairie]

Late question to ask but who is better paired for Haku & Shinano, (Amagi II | Nagato | Implacy)?

[viscid swift]

it would actually be who is better paired with Amagi CV and Shinano

as for which, depends on if you need a root or not

[zinc prairie]

is mlb Amagi II worth it?

[viscid swift]

eventually yes

right now bit of a coin toss

[hollow gust]

Unless it’s a BB, I doubt it’s a coin toss

[viscid swift]

which we don't know if it is or isn't hence the coin toss
heck for all we know it's the H-39 CV conversion Esdeath has been dreaming of

[sinful escarp]

UR submarine which will make wolf pack top again

[eager mulch]

kms siegfried

[storm heron]

yes you can, hint: don't auto

[rain hearth]

does gameplay help include understanding characters?

[storm heron]

we will definitely help if there's a skill desc u don't understand

[eager mulch]

id like to understand helena some more

[rain hearth]

not a skill
i just wanted to ask if Pittsburgh actually plays russian roulette with a gun.
can i ask that here?

[storm heron]

oh that

[eager mulch]

no, ask in #al-general

[rain hearth]

can you tell in #al-general

[eager mulch]

anything skin related goes to general

[mellow cape]

Lol

[rain hearth]

i will wait there

[mellow cape]

Tell them yourself

[rain hearth]

i meant can you tell me in #al-general

[eager mulch]

idk the answer

[hollow gust]

No

[little tree]

WIll Mushasi Lose a lot of DMG by not using a IJN gun (asking casue opsi Syncing)

[wind hazel]

yes

[stark quiver]

she loses 15% mg crit dmg and 10% rld
and barrage crit rate

[vale spindle]

/wiki user:riceist/barrage

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BarrageDatamine

[vale spindle]

she also loses like 60 base damage per bullet or something on her barrage too

check this page for more information it lists the damage with ijn and without ijn gun

goes from 207x7 to 270x7 which is big difference

[little tree]

Hmmm how do you guys Sync her with other BB's using Champy GUNS in BB boss fleet Currently at 20.9 21.2 and Musashi at 17.79 (mabey i keep nelson instead of Musashi )

[storm heron]

yeah barrage crit rate is massive too

[plain saffron]

Use izumo gun on musashi

[storm heron]

use other guns like the triple 410 from pr1 or the daisen gun (forgot which mm) from pr7

trip 410 can be crafted

[little tree]

What gun is that

[storm heron]

pr7 daisen gun

[little tree]

~~ pain~~

[storm heron]

just use the right one if you haven't pr7

[gusty olive]

If ever I to use Nyakhimov with AmagiCV and Shinano, who do I pair Nyakhimov with for her skill? (She have stop right?)

[storm heron]

voroshilov or tashkent

[gusty olive]

How does the Tashkent synergy work?

[stark quiver]

she fullfills the northern parliament requirement to use nakh's full stop, while not being a bad ship

[gusty olive]

Her summon needs to be alive when Nyakhimov launches planes huh?

[fluid umbra]

When and what gear should I +13?

[storm heron]

[fluid umbra]

And how much does oath matter? Iirc f2p gets only 1 per year so should I oath like the best chars or can I oath for skin

[storm heron]

oath who you want

[stark quiver]

theyre good, nice stat boost
but as f2p oath wifu

[fluid umbra]

Gotchu

[stark quiver]

or as id like to do, dont oath anyone whos in the azur lane meta unless u wanna go thru more work with syncing and timing

[dreamy blade]

yes oath whoever has your favorite oath skin

[stark quiver]

tactical oathing are for the 🐳

[fluid umbra]

I was gonna oath musashi but I guess timing will be a massive pain

Guess I'll oath helena then

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Skins/Wedding
Is this page up to date with all the oath skins?

[gusty olive]

I guess Nyakhimov and Tashkent is only for fights that lasts less than 100 seconds for Nyakhimov to perform at her peak

which, most boss fights tend to anyways

[storm heron]

just use voro or soyuz

[gusty olive]

I don't have Voro, though might take me a while to even get Nyakhimov in the first place

And at that point, Implac might already had rerun

[fluid umbra]

Wait after looking at the numbers a bit, can oathed musashi sync with helena?

Cool

Guess I'll oath her then, I'd be using 410 right?

I have the PR1 410

[storm heron]

yes, with autololoader level 4 or smth

[valid coral]

Any news on when will be the Christmas update and what character will appear in a new banner?

[fluid umbra]

Is the PR7 410 slow enough to sync or would it be too fast?

[dreamy blade]

all we know is the new UR is iron blood

[storm heron]

too fast unfortunately

[fluid umbra]

How much damage loss would it be if I would be using the PR1 410 instead of the PR7 410?

If the damage loss is negated by the damage increase from the oath stat bonus then it's probably fine right

[storm heron]

it's just not that relevant since you will be using mostly CVs at the very late game stage

[hollow gust]

We went years without the pr7 gun, you will be fine

[fluid umbra]

Sounds good

Thanks for the help

[sweet delta]

the next event, but not necessarily the new UR, is ironblood

[zinc cave]

There's still a chance for 🍝

[stark quiver]

What good gear has cta given

[storm heron]

operation AF

embroidered charm pouch

[zinc cave]

You mean the accompanying event? CTA is just the border.

[stark quiver]

The cta, they’ve given events

[zinc cave]

Ship specific, the Akagi aux and VV boost aux

[plain saffron]

The prelude event?

Most of it is good enough as 2nd toolbox

They run at same time as cta but not the cta itself

Cta just bonus exp and frame

Those have 2 daily mission for 7 days

[zenith heron]

the Nagato Pouch seems fine

sadly 1 LCK tho

[zinc cave]

theres a few 450 hp lck increase auxes

[tawny ermine]

3 gold basic research

[zinc cave]

[hollow gust]

holy fuck, you just picked the worst possible researches 5 times in a row

[tawny ermine]

there free so ill take them also i dont have inf supplies so i cant choose any i want cause i barely have any

and/or i need said supply

[wind hazel]

you're at w12, you shouldn't have issue with sustaining your coin income