gameplay-help

[tawny ermine]

since enti is only lvl 105 atm

not the best gear i know but its better then nothing

[viscid swift]

considering W12 fleets I run these days usually have an average level of around 100

do you really not have another Helldiver

[tawny ermine]

helldiver?

[tawny ermine]

ohh lemmy check i probably do

[viscid swift]

the one on the right

[tawny ermine]

yeah i do

[viscid swift]

use that instead of the BTD

[tawny ermine]

interesting i thought destroyer would of been a tiny bit better since it 2x1600 and not 2k and 2x500

[hollow gust]

AL bomb scaling are weird

[viscid swift]

bomb weight does not scale linearly with damage to say nothing of the difference in hit rate

[zinc cave]

the devs messed up the scaling a little bit

[tawny ermine]

huh ok

[viscid swift]

Helldiver is the best DB you'll have until you get Tenrais and Skyraiders

[tawny ermine]

so more bombs less damage=more damage instead of more damage less bombs=more damage

[viscid swift]

no

[spring bolt]

usually you can expect helldiver doing about 20% more damage than btd

[tawny ermine]

ohh ok

[viscid swift]

the Helldiver just straight up does more raw damage than BTD and it has a higher rate on its bombs further increasing the gap

[tawny ermine]

ohhh

might as well tell me if i should swap anything on my boss fleet then

[spring bolt]

nj main gun needs to be changed

[hollow gust]

unicorn shouldnt be in boss

[tawny ermine]

ohh sorry i forgot i swapped her

mean to send saratoga not uni

[tawny ermine]

what do?

[hollow gust]

also prettty sure that NJ has enough exp for 125 already

[viscid swift]

Mk6

[tawny ermine]

yeah but money is an issue atm

[viscid swift]

so drop her then for another ship that needs XP

[tawny ermine]

what one is mk6? and also about the xp im gonna awaken enti so she needs xp also saratoga needs xp

nvm i found the mk6

[sharp socket]

for bomb damage just read the numbers and do elementary math

[viscid swift]

as I said it's not that simple

different bombs have different hit rates

[tawny ermine]

i did thats why i thought the 2x1600 was better but apparently its not

[sharp socket]

if you're lazy to do math you're in luck because someone else has done it for you, called the wiki

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BombSpread

[tawny ermine]

also is there any other gear i should swap on any of them?

[sharp socket]

check the correct numbers, you can expand the bomb itself

[viscid swift]

you might wanna give Sam's gear guide a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[obsidian ivy]

Is Tashkent or voro better for nakhimov things

[viscid swift]

tbd

[hollow gust]

just use tash she generally does more damage

although voroshilov is tankier

[coarse heron]

don't worry a lot of us fell for the same trap
when I was new I added up the weights of the bombs to decide if a dive bomber was better or not

[tawny ermine]

lol glad im not the only one

[obsidian ivy]

Tash lv1, voro lv120

[hollow gust]

then use voro

[viscid swift]

the former can quite easily be rectified

[hollow gust]

they are basically the same usecase

Both work

[sweet delta]

alr Nana sucks against bosses

[hollow gust]

i thought she was drake

[sweet delta]

no yuudachi

against nonmoving bosses, Nana hits 1/3 of penguins
against moving bosses, less than 1/3

[runic bluff]

is there a trick to make commissions appear often?

[deft wraith]

Is she good?.

[hollow gust]

farm more

[viscid swift]

not really

[hollow gust]

no littorio is just a bad ship

[sacred parrot]

does shinano or amagi CV fit anywhere here?

[runic bluff]

what is the efficient way?

[stark quiver]

what are these fleets for, and they need a rework

[sacred parrot]

im just trying to get thru w10

[hollow gust]

unicorn FDG volga
Amagi Soyuz Shinano

so much bulins wasted on stuff like uvh

[sacred parrot]

is it really if its waifu

[hollow gust]

yes?

[stark quiver]

in a gameplay minmaxing pov, yea
but you do you

[viscid swift]

anyway, what you need is to push nota rework

what you have is massively overkill for W10-W12
forget about replacements for now, just push

[hollow gust]

you can make heinrich mob tank to pair with FDG, she needs a ironblood friend

[spring bolt]

real down side of uvh is SO MANY bb firing animation

[sharp socket]

optimising is less optimal when you have rainbow spam, just send it to w12

[hollow gust]

well yeah cause shes so ugly

[sharp socket]

unless your name is berke

[whole crypt]

oh they already announced faction for the event?

[hollow gust]

yeah general has been fuming, for once i dont mind ironblood

[whole crypt]

oh come on stig I've been busy

was the last major IB we got BisZwei?

[hollow gust]

well UR ya

[stark quiver]

the long awaited ib event is here

[whole crypt]

was there any non-UR KMS banner since opconv?

[hollow gust]

the latest one was alvitir so yeah

[whole crypt]

mm...

ah well, I'll just wait for the VAs again, as usual

[stark quiver]

do you buy skins for VAs only

[whole crypt]

not only but often yes

[opaque gate]

is skypirate good? like, is it a downgrade for wyvern

[storm heron]

so will there actually be opconv and cta at the same time

[sweet delta]

certainly a downgrade

[whole crypt]

it's just a worse plane

it's also a deadend investment

[opaque gate]

i see, thanks, what is area of effect AA? thre ammo type

[storm heron]

you mean the fuze guns?

[opaque gate]

the aa guns in gear lab with red bar

[storm heron]

yea those are fuze, generally bad AA guns

[opaque gate]

thanks

[eager mulch]

[storm heron]

also why is twin127 in AA gun

[coarse heron]

Because it was used as an AA gun in real life.

[storm heron]

so fuze-ification cause twin127 from DD gun to AA gun

[viscid swift]

Yes

More specifically it was dual purpose gun

Able to be used in both the anti shipping and anti air role

[eager mulch]

Mm

[strange sphinx]

so Time fuse DD guns can be also AA?

[stark quiver]

historically thats what they were meant to be

the time fuze dd guns provide aa stat, idk if they shoot at planes tho

[vale spindle]

in azur lane all time fuze guns are AA guns only

[forest palm]

Most DD guns are duel purposed for AA, AL just doesn't do that

[strange sphinx]

[storm heron]

yeah you can see a lot of dual purpose, high angles, or some kind

[strange sphinx]

so what is the best Time fuse DD for Main fleet...

[vale spindle]

don't use one and instead use a normal AA gun

[storm heron]

time fuse refers to AA gun, time fuse -> aa gun

[forest palm]

The only gun that actually functions and is dual purposed is the Twin 410 T3S

But you're not using the Confetti Gun for fly swating

or anything for that matter

[strange sphinx]

[opaque gate]

is CA better with AP or HE in general? like in most contents, should i go AP or HE esp. mob fleet?

[forest palm]

AP

Normal Ammo also works

[opaque gate]

okok, this is the best AP gun for CA right?

[viscid swift]

No

[stark quiver]

best ca ap gun is ther 234

[viscid swift]

That would be the Hindenburg gun

[opaque gate]

is it a passable gun though?

[forest palm]

Yup

[viscid swift]

Yes

[stark quiver]

wait the 234 isnt ap

[strange sphinx]

hmmm if Unzen is in boss fleet, Should I give her gun or hiden gun?

[stark quiver]

hiden in it is

[viscid swift]

Yes it's normal ammo

[stark quiver]

boss for what
her gun for light hinden gun for med/heavy

[opaque gate]

okok thanks

[strange sphinx]

ah wait..m. hm Heavy

[stark quiver]

hinden gun

[strange sphinx]

then give me also the answer for Light after that

[forest palm]

PR6 203 is AP

[forest palm]

203/55 for light

[opaque gate]

omfg, how can helena survive this meta boss? if ever she is still alive by 4 secs, i can shoot another radar scanned plane

[eternal moth]

Do you have a Manjuu on her?

[stark quiver]

manjuu rudder

[opaque gate]

on helena?

none, i use repair toolkit and sg radar

[eternal moth]

Manjuu gives you a free 8 seconds of life

[opaque gate]

ooooh, u mean the aux that makes her unkillable

sadly, i need bullins to get it from memento

ok thanks, i at least have a goal rn

[stark quiver]

ngl if ur using sg radar, if ur main goal is to sync with cvs, then you dont need it

[eternal moth]

You're doing a million damage and you don't have manjuu yet? That's impressive NGL

[opaque gate]

with sg radar, i can sync 3x if she stays alive, without it, only a maximum of 2x

i want her to stay alive by 4 secs left for the chance to get radar scan

[eternal moth]

You have a 16 second first strike time on your CVs?

[stark quiver]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/
play around with the calc
see what works

[opaque gate]

nope, i time them with the second one, because helena stays on her first wuadrant expansion

[hollow gust]

What boss even is that

[stark quiver]

i think helmet

[hollow gust]

Why Ibuki , just get Aurora

[opaque gate]

so my converging torps will definitely hit, then i time it with the third one too when she stays for another round of lasers

im basically relying on her stopping points to get my converging torps in, since i can stack them anyway

[eternal moth]

What boss is that?

[opaque gate]

helena meta

[eternal moth]

You want rocket planes, not converging TBs.

[opaque gate]

ye they do have it equipped

i cant use 3 of em though for one cv

[stark quiver]

they have 109gs on cvs, tenrai tb on nano and 2 tb on amagi

[opaque gate]

if my musashi gets maxed out, i think i finally have a shot to one shot helmet

[eternal moth]

Why not use 3 CV?

And replacing Ibuki with Kazagumo or another ARA ship might be enough right now

[opaque gate]

my hakuryuu not maxedout yet, need few more bps for dev30

[eternal moth]

What about AvP?

[opaque gate]

im still lvl 97 and they are all my URs

[sweet delta]

musashi alone won't give you +300k damage

[eternal moth]

Ok, but you don't need full URs to make a good fleet.

[opaque gate]

AvP still need lvls and tactical books, i dont think i need her rn if i can time it with helena stopping time

since my goal is to one shot and not consistency rn

[eternal moth]

I really doubt you're timing every airstrike with Helena's radar if you're using SG radar

[opaque gate]

i time my first 2 with the first wuadrant expansion (2nd radar scan), the third one with another round of helmet's laser (3rd radar scan), im trying to reach my helena's 4th radar scan when there is 4 secs left which i cannot do so since my helena dies before the 4 secs mark

basically, each of my airstrikes has a radar scan

[eternal moth]

So you're manualling then?

[opaque gate]

yup

[eternal moth]

And what happens if she doesn't proc on the second window?

[opaque gate]

then i can stack my planes till the next one

in any case, im still relying on luck

[eternal moth]

You realize that means you're dropping a full airstrike right?

Because you can only hold 2 airstrikes per ship

[opaque gate]

nope, cuz i can release all 4 in the next one

i release a total of 6 times anyway

[dusk maple]

3 sets of airstrikes, they don't have enough rld/gear for 4 airstrike setup i think.

[opaque gate]

yup, again, im lvling 97 and relatively just a returning player

[eternal moth]

Actually, I guess you're right, you'd only have a single airstrike on the second window.

[opaque gate]

yup

im just trying to maximize whatever i can rn

[runic bluff]

how much commissions I can have in urgent?

[eternal moth]

I think it's unlimited

[stark quiver]

do you guys know when we are getting another 2 ring for 980 gem pack

[opaque gate]

do u guys raise meta ships? i have tons of meta supplies but idk if i should use them rn

[spark ridge]

1 week after you cave in and buy the single ring

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

i raise the ones i use

[storm heron]

raise for tech tm, so yes use meta supplies

[opaque gate]

oww ok thanks

[storm heron]

btw it's not gonna be tons, 1 ship takes around 800 meta mats for each

[eager mulch]

Also don’t have to enhance them necessarily

[storm heron]

yeah stop enhancing if your fleet survive w12

[stark quiver]

i dont enhance them, too much work

[storm heron]

but it's 40 clicks, you can do it in 4s with 10cps

[stark quiver]

40 more than 0

i run decent cats to cover up for this loss of stat

[storm heron]

that's not gonna be enough right

I run best friends

[slate siren]

oye why don't my game send me notifications?

[storm heron]

check your notification settings

[stark quiver]

no, but it makes up for some

[storm heron]

you lost like 80 avi or smth

but yeah to be fair mats very expensive, cba to argue

[slate siren]

good thinkin

[storm heron]

I lost like 2k avi plates and fp plates just to enhance tech fodders

[stark quiver]

but yea if u can, just enhance basically free stats,
i js dont personally bc i can make up for it

[storm heron]

I mean you can lb basically free stats, I just make up for it with enhancements and 5 skill books

ngl maybe that's why I ran out

meta tech shitters with maxed skills

[eternal moth]

So I started a new run on a different server, trying the single-fleet run using the bare minimum of gear. I'm about to beat 3-4

[eager mulch]

wait, you mean you aren’t stuck in chapter 2?

[eternal moth]

Nope. And most of my ships still have the beginning grey gear that isn't upgraded at all

[sinful escarp]

its very easy early on. especially if you are using only 1 fleet
the exp is enough to over level them

[eternal moth]

Penny/Long Island/Uni/Port/Helena/Z23. Only real piece of gear I've gotten so far was a terrible purple on Port

[plain saffron]

Goodluck against W5 plane

[eternal moth]

Oh, and a twin 25 AA gun on Helena

[sinful escarp]

only place i had a little trouble is w10 when i tried starting on another server

[eternal moth]

One recommendation I have for new players that isn't talked about much is using your exercise attempts. It's a pretty good amount of XP even if you lose

[storm heron]

[eternal moth]

Oh, and the only grinding I've done is to 3* each stage.

That said, knowing what gear to put on which ship is a major plus.

[sinful escarp]

even just putting the right poverty gear on them really boosts them a lot in lower levels

[eternal moth]

Yeah. Single 127 going on Z23 instead of as a secondary on your BB, for example. I pretty much ignored Long Island, although I might drop her for Ranger instead. Not sure yet.

[coarse heron]

Ranger is a better Long Island

[eternal moth]

Yeah, but right now LI has almost 30 levels on her

[noble osprey]

Guys what should I get with my remaining 3300 points?

[eternal moth]

BP

[dusk maple]

cog chips

[nocturne glade]

which research catchup should I start with? Read the guide compendium and was thinking anchorage

[eternal moth]

That's a good one

[eager mulch]

personally im a pr4 focus kinda guy but i know some pr5 focus chatters exist

ancho catchup very good

[spark ridge]

u can pr focus regardless of who u set catchup

[torpid seal]

does anyone know what emulator is best for playing azur on pc? Im worried about downloading something bad.

[spark ridge]

ive played on Nox

[coarse heron]

BlueStacks works fine

just make sure you're using 5, and not X

[spark ridge]

yeah ive also heard bluestacks is also good, it just for some reason never ran properly on my laptop

[torpid seal]

why not X?

[nocturne glade]

i have pr7 focused cause compendium said to pick any 5 or higher if I dont know what I'm doing

[coarse heron]

Because X runs through their very shitty cloud gaming servers and isn't an emulator

[cinder hornet]

if bluestacks doesn't work for you I would say the best option is LD player

[jaunty vault]

bluestacks is bad if your pc doesn't have good specs, ldplayer works best for me

[eternal moth]

I've been really happy with LDPlayer

[eager mulch]

gn cooper

[jaunty vault]

gn not cooper

[torpid seal]

Thank you all, Ill try bluestacks 5 i was just worried about malware

[jaunty vault]

[eternal moth]

Personally, I wasn't happy with Bluestacks after a while, so tried LDPlayer and it uses a lot fewer resources

[eager mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/creature-hungrycreature-hungry-cat-kill-me-gif-13304236

[coarse heron]

I'm using BlueStacks 5 right now

[jaunty vault]

[storm heron]

[jaunty vault]

i dont even wanna argue with that

[eternal moth]

Are you running Windows in a VM? So running a VM in a VM?

[coarse heron]

Yes

[storm heron]

[coarse heron]

It's a long story.

[eternal moth]

Man, the overhead just to play AL

[coarse heron]

I mean, look at the FPS in the bottom left

[eternal moth]

Oh, ew.

[coarse heron]

yeah it's literally auto only for me

[storm heron]

wdym ew, I also do that

[eternal moth]

Do you also only get 12 FPS?

Hmm, farm for Akaga or Hiryuu/Soryuu...

[cinder hornet]

I use the best emu of all (screen cast to pc 🤣 )

[coarse heron]

I forgot there's even alternative battle UIs

[plain saffron]

Did they fix old ui skill activation

[noble osprey]

Guys can i use Agir and FDG at 5/6 stars?

[coarse heron]

FdG? Absolutely not. Agir? Usable by Dev20, in theory. Advisable to just use a different tank until Dev30, though.

[grizzled sundial]

Do different Escort daily raid provide different plate reward ?

[coarse heron]

You can click on the rewards to see what they give.

[grizzled sundial]

" You are out of daily challenge "

[rain hearth]

i need to acquire iron blood ships for tech points
these are all i have

[grizzled sundial]

These 2 LV 95 escort , i always do the Air one so i dunno if the Firepower give different plate

[storm heron]

yes, I just choose whichever gives me AVI plate

[coarse heron]

Yes, that's why there's 2 different versions.

[storm heron]

leip z23 spee safe to 120
the rest max limit break

• ignore admiral hipper muse

[coarse heron]

realistically if he needs IB tech points badly, should 120 all of them (except Hipper Muse)

[rain hearth]

that's the plan
but i need more ships

[eternal moth]

I'd take Eugen to 120, she's a pretty good number of tech points

[storm heron]

wdym by u need more

[cinder hornet]

why stop at 120? isn't max level 125?

[storm heron]

u have like 16, you can only use 3 at once

[coarse heron]

125 doesn't give tech points, and is only for ships you plan to use in W15.

[storm heron]

:strengthwheeze:

[cinder hornet]

oh, I guess I'm doing it wrong then

[rain hearth]

i need to acquire iron blood ships
hopefully elite
i only know scharnhorst which is too expensive with data

[coarse heron]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#Iron_Blood-2 PR ships give the most tech points for Iron Blood, naturally.

[storm heron]

not only acquire, mlb and level 120 also gives tech

[coarse heron]

acquire is only 2/9th of the tech points

[rain hearth]

yh
I Know

[storm heron]

unless you are talking about main fleet ships

in that case it's big sad

what seerver are you in? might be able to buy tirpitz

[rain hearth]

little enterprise

[eternal moth]

Gneisanau and Scharnhorst can both drop from Divergent Chessboard WA

[storm heron]

unfortunate

[rain hearth]

why have i been doing tower of transcendence!?

[eternal moth]

I have no idea

[coarse heron]

Divergent Chessboard is a lot easier too since it's an older event

[rain hearth]

(for Magdeburg)

[eternal moth]

Also because Spee is adorable

[storm heron]

you can do ToT D4 I think

[coarse heron]

yeah but look how many German ships drop from D4 in Divergent Chessboard.

and that's not including the rare and the 2 commons

[storm heron]

yeah assuming they haven't reached ToT D4 they should be going to DiveChes instead

Oh yea, one newbie problem is that if they couldn't get IB ships, they will have to choose between fdg/avp/agir

[wet badge]

how do i get top secret ordinance reports

[storm heron]

opsi shop, cat nodes, abyssals, arbiters

[coarse heron]

they're Ultra Rare for a reason

[wet badge]

how do i get lots of abyssals to spawn

[storm heron]

prayge

[zinc cave]

RNG on whether you get the loggers

[storm heron]

otherwise if you want to get them forcefully you can try completing the missions

[barren tapir]

guaranteed ones from vouchers and opsi ports, potentially some from explorable rewards iirc. rest from cat luck and daily mission luck

[storm heron]

btw is 174/197/146 good for stronghold?

[barren tapir]

188/188/144 u shud be fine

[rain hearth]

i have done tot d4 9 times
should i leave to divergent?

[storm heron]

let me compare the drops in a bit

[barren tapir]

divergent probably faster

you do want to do tot eventually since madgebro is 2 cl fp if you dont get her from build (can she idk)

also honestly do low oil divergent B maps because drop rate can be ass and D maps use a ton of oil even with oil cap

[rain hearth]

madgebro?

[storm heron]

wait wtf why ToT

[barren tapir]

madgeburge

[storm heron]

I am literally so confused, I thought the screenshot he sent was from ToT

[rain hearth]

is that a pet name

[barren tapir]

he sent divergent

[storm heron]

like this one I thought this is from ToT, turns out it is from divche

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

do divche instead so you can get main ships

[rain hearth]

yh
i am wondering why i did tot

[barren tapir]

B map with 5-7 oil fleet

[storm heron]

divche also has a lot of other ships worth 120 like the Zs and stuff

[rain hearth]

good thing i didn't use high efficiency

[storm heron]

using them is not recommended

[barren tapir]

[rain hearth]

even on divergen

[storm heron]

yes

[barren tapir]

theyre actually useful for warchives if you need to conserve data keys

[rain hearth]

i have 51 only

[barren tapir]

51 of what

[rain hearth]

data keys

[barren tapir]

how many 2x things

[storm heron]

idk, I'd rather not since you get 4 each day

[rain hearth]

80

[barren tapir]

mmm it depends on how fast you need the points

ok with that few and yk2 coming i would save them

[storm heron]

they need the main fleet

[barren tapir]

but like for me it took over 40 2x runs to drop scharn so.

good luck

[storm heron]

since newbs struggle to do CDC for FdG/Agir/Avp if they don't have any other ib ships

[rain hearth]

yk2?

[zinc cave]

Yorktown 2

[rain hearth]

i thought it's a iron blood ur coming

[barren tapir]

also i recommend low oil fleet unless you need z46 to finish the tech requirement and didnt get her from medals yet

[storm heron]

they're in lil enty

so no IB main fleet

[barren tapir]

thats not relevant

im talking about low oil fleet to farm scharn if they dont need the d4 ship

[storm heron]

low oil fleet with?

I would only use low oil fleet for clearing and not for farming (if I'm a newb ofc)

[rain hearth]

these are my strongest
recommend

[barren tapir]

i used erebus and 3 dd

difference is like 50 oil vs 250 oil per run, which adds up fast

[storm heron]

go to divche, press hard, fulfill the requirements, reduce ships if you think they took too much oil

[storm heron]

yeah they definitely have erebus

[barren tapir]

since scharn took me 80 runs effective

[storm heron]

1 sample

[barren tapir]

granted my situation kinda special as i was needing to begin unlock for event, i couldnt afford to use so much oil

they do have 2 weeks so regular fleet should be fine just hope not too unlucky

[barren tapir]

i am aware. i hate my luck

i also took like 60k points for 1 momo

[storm heron]

idk I have 64k points by the end and momo in shop 5/5 new

[barren tapir]

i got like 3 momo in 138k

but yeah my recommendation is only if they waste over 10-15k oil without scharn then consider it

she can be a bitch to drop, thats all

[storm heron]

it is not even "wasted", D4 is oilcap

[barren tapir]

it is wasted compared to ch12

[storm heron]

but you did T5

[barren tapir]

t5 has gearskins that never return, how is this a comparison

i assure you divergent maps drop nothing of value beyond the ships (and quadmag in d1)

[storm heron]

[rain hearth]

cause i also need exp for monarch

[barren tapir]

i repeat how is it a relevant comparison

[storm heron]

EXP is relevant, Z46 is relevant

[barren tapir]

no im asking why you brought up t5

[storm heron]

cause you never provide any ups in D4, while you provided all the data for T5

[barren tapir]

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

also its not like i didnt farm D maps

i just already had z46 from medals and once i dropped every other ship from D maps i went to B for efficiency since musashi event was looming iirc

but yeah im not saying to start with it, but keep it as an option if scharn decides you should be punished lul

[storm heron]

sure, just remember you can reduce your ships when clearing if you feel they are too strong. Make sure to use full fleets if yo want to farm xp in D4

[barren tapir]

and yeah i will be fair to D map

theyre easy and i levelled 0lb ships in it with uni+tank lmfao but i still didnt really like it tbh

[storm heron]

pretty sure divche D4 gives lots of exp

[barren tapir]

im probably just embittered by my luck

[rain hearth]

yh
i am going with hard cause i need exp for monarch

[barren tapir]

after i got z35 i dropped down to d2 to save a little oil

[storm heron]

ofc, people just went straight to D4 via hard

[barren tapir]

i levelled wasp and z dds 0lb in it so yeah it is pretty easy

[storm heron]

idk if that's better, I just follow what generally is given here, I can calculate when something is better if I feel that they are significant, otherwise probably cba to calculate every single thing

[barren tapir]

i just go by intuition

i like mentioning the things i did in case they have value but suggest doing the recommended first

im very glad i went low oil otherwise i wouldve been fucked for event while still not able to do cdc but that is due to poor timing and very bad luck

[rare wyvern]

Alright, after my mighty adventures, w14 is done, how much different is w15 in terms of enemies ? Can I keep the fleets that cleared w14 so far ?

[storm heron]

very different

[barren tapir]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[barren tapir]

w15 is a love child between 13 and 14

[storm heron]

TLDR: you will not clear if you don't have enough AA

[rare wyvern]

Also, would you know why my Yuudachi got absolutely obliterated even in middle position on 14-4 boss ?

[barren tapir]

but its more 13 on steroids

rng and she is squoosh

[storm heron]

yes

[barren tapir]

anyway ch14 a variety of shit works

ch15 just copy homework or suffer

fleets are much stricter due to the high aa need

[zinc cave]

rng

[sharp socket]

w14 has alot of rng in it

[coarse heron]

the easiest way to do W14 is to just use W15 fleets

[barren tapir]

the easiest way is actually to not do it but that's the second easiest way

[rare wyvern]

Mainz is a... decent off-tank CL right ?

My boss vanguard was like, Ancho/Yuudachi/Mainz cuz I wanted an off tank that could hit, but Ply would replace which ?

[coarse heron]

I just used Agir/Shimakaze/Anchovy for 14-4 boss

please note Shimakaze died nearly every time on lethal

[barren tapir]

dds in 14 boss

shima is about 10% squooshier than poikai so not surprising

[storm heron]

kron ayanami kawakaze be like

[barren tapir]

[coarse heron]

her torp damage was impressive while she was alive, it was usually the boss itself that killed her

[barren tapir]

when i eventually get there i want to try felix or something

[barren tapir]

i wonder how well nana goes

she is tankier than both shima and poikai according to mebot

[storm heron]

ply replace yuuda but like that fleet will sink in w15

[coarse heron]

also keep in mind I'm cooking hard with Shimakaze
rainbow oxy torp and toolbox instead of double toolbox

[barren tapir]

actually id be using pinks in mob so no nana

[coarse heron]

I still need to figure out my 15-3 fleets, actually

cause I know Agir doesn't have enough AA to be used in 15-3 or 15-4

[noble osprey]

My only options for tanks atm are Portland retrofit and Prinz Eugen, or dev 20 Agir, so which shouldnI use for now?

[coarse heron]

Portland

[storm heron]

why do you not mention lb and level?

[coarse heron]

the problem with Eugen is she doesn't have any DPS

[barren tapir]

i really want to see if full pink can do 14 mob lol

which would mean percy over uni

well i am not there yet, with a lot of gearlab and ur gear im sure they could eventually

UR crossfleets too naturally

i would like to do w14 at least with only ships i consider waifu

[rare wyvern]

Throwing Sandy in the mix then perhaps, although between her and Shimanto, who does mob and who does boss ?

[barren tapir]

i have multiple strong waifus, altho not really many UR so it might be possible i guess

[rare wyvern]

Brest/Scylla/Sandy for mob, Ancho/Ply/Shimanto on boss ?

[storm heron]

could work high diff

to give you a perspective, a fleet with brest shimanto eldridge mob and
guam laffii sandy boss still leak planes

[hollow gust]

why would you stuff laffey in boss??

[barren tapir]

the only leaked plane that matters is the one that kills your flag 🧠

[storm heron]

to be fair it may because I didn't have musashi

[barren tapir]

and yeah isnt laff2 better in mobbing

[hollow gust]

Guam elridge laffey
Brest Sandy Shimanto

especially if you dont have musashi you shouldnt be leaving your best w15 ships fighting 1 boss

[rare wyvern]

Musashi has really been a damage powerhouse on 14-4 for me, but my issue is that my carriers being undetected made her tank all the BB shots

[hollow gust]

thats what aquila is for

[barren tapir]

that entire mob fleet being unobtainum right now sums up my ch15 feelings

[hollow gust]

if you dont use aquila then make sure you are staggering your ships

[rare wyvern]

Aquila in the same fleet or ?

[hollow gust]

aquilla is musashi's best friend in any fleet

[coarse heron]

She'll tank all the BB shots anyway, thanks to her bullet magnetism ability.

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Musashi read her third ability

[barren tapir]

musashi

[opaque gate]

laffey augment worth getting?

[hollow gust]

eh

[left cedar]

só CN confirmed KMS late december ? or i received false info once i'm working, yeah last 36h working, cuz i wanna money

[hollow gust]

its pretty much IB

[left cedar]

YEAH

MY H-39 CV COPIUM IS ALIVE AS EVER

[opaque gate]

when will be the update?

[storm heron]

imo no since that doesn't significantly change the content where she can be used vs where she can't be used

[opaque gate]

kkok thanks, i wont unlock it for the sake of data collection

[dusk maple]

Yes, Call to Arms announced on AL CN socials for Ironblood.

[faint cloud]

cta at 12th, start at 19th

[left cedar]

so Scheer and H-39 CV copium alive
les gooo

no live for them ?

[storm heron]

sad pasta

[left cedar]

pasta can be sad as much they wanna, i give everythin for my H-39 CV, and my last Desu-Class, WHERE IS SCHEER?!?!

[opaque gate]

is this a good DD gun? im trying to find a craftable gun for my kitakaze

or stick with this?

[hollow gust]

you can craft the ironblood dd gun, why get either

[storm heron]

wait why craft, just use the one gun you get from the 12-4

[opaque gate]

is this good?

from IB

[storm heron]

no that's not that good for kitakaze

[coarse heron]

that gun hasn't been good in a long time

[opaque gate]

what is the ironblood gun greygoose pertains to?

[tropic tusk]

I just got that fat rainbow guy who should I put it on in my fleet 1-2 ships

[storm heron]

the not so good gun

doesn't even show up in ectl

just use the 12-4 gun, crafting dd gun is mad expensive

[vestal glen]

Any1 know what is the next UR banner? I heard its kms but idk anything else

[hollow gust]

thats all everyone else knows

[crimson glacier]

in like 2 or 3 weeks

[vestal glen]

Ouch

[crimson glacier]

just wait and see

[vestal glen]

Wait really?

[storm heron]

19th dec no?

[vestal glen]

So another week with no events?

[crimson glacier]

well we know the ships probably earlier than that

but id assume thats when its online

[storm heron]

we have Call to Arms if you count that

[vestal glen]

I sound like a complete noob rn, but what is call to arms

[crimson glacier]

its nothing

[vestal glen]

Then that explains that T_T

[storm heron]

Use X, Y, A, B ships and get 20% bonus exp!

meanwhile the mentioned ships isn't even good/techy

[left cedar]

did u look of how much they cost ?its like, half of other guns

[storm heron]

the funny thing is what if they have Use U-556 and get 20% bonus exp!

[left cedar]

Twin 128 its a gud start to DD Guns for begginers, but idk much about DDs, and i know some DDs wanna different guns than Twin 128 or other "normal" gud guns

[coarse heron]

they can't use subs, since the CTA ships are "Defeat the boss with this ship afloat" for portrait

[storm heron]

[rain hearth]

i need help deciding whom to oath

[storm heron]

ask your heart

[boreal wagon]

they can and have before (zwei's event had it) they just skip that frame mission for the sub

or in the case of ulrichs event where they didnt skip the mission but it was just a "must not sink"

[rain hearth]

i don't think i have fallen in love yet

[storm heron]

stats is irrelevant

[left cedar]

Oath its used to be personal thing ...
if u are a P2W and crazy about minimun performance at really high cost, them u can go for it

[storm heron]

as long as it's not vanguard you'll be fine

[left cedar]

and if u dont know who win ur heart ... go for other head opinion

[rain hearth]

vanguard the ship?

[storm heron]

yea, I heard bad things about people who oathed her

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

I forgot why was it again

[barren tapir]

ur tripping, twin128 is one of the cheapest things in gearlab relatively speaking because it doesnt overlap too badly with other gear reqs

[left cedar]

Vanguard is crazy fast ... if u Oath her and try to sync with other BBs, can be a hard challenge

[hollow gust]

its cause dumb people dont know how to adjust guns

[barren tapir]

after 1 opsi month i immediately made a few to make my dds do non-zero dmg

[hollow gust]

oathing her is perfectly fine.

[barren tapir]

that said tho it is a bad gun for kita iirc so

[left cedar]

0 RLD BBs, Musa/Vang sync its quite a challenge already
and Oathed Vang it will be nice ...

[storm heron]

bro I had to do double check cause I see 3 as 8

[rain hearth]

i like weser, bataan
don't have either

[storm heron]

well 3 is pretty cheap for dd gun

[barren tapir]

tho i am poor rn but ye its not the worst

iirc it just overlaps with quadmags

since both want HBX

[left cedar]

well, i'm not going to deep into it, cuz idc
and
i'm going to make my stuffs, cuz i just arrive from a 36h working shaft

[storm heron]

~~I forgot how I used dd guns, it just happens to appear in my depot and I used them for ddgs ~~

[left cedar]

how !?

[barren tapir]

i made a bunch of magtorps

as for the plans i havent done much of the big ticket opsi stuf this month yet, nor the shops

[left cedar]

i wanna made a remind, cuz dec its Gear Lab atualization to "oldest" PR ... and its time to PR4 go to Gear Lab ...

[storm heron]

no like literally I forgot that dd gun options was so scarce, all I know is the dd gun spawned in

[left cedar]

time to fabricate Tenrais as crazy mothafucker, LES GO

[barren tapir]

ords

[storm heron]

not to mention all the guides back then are so old, and calculating vanguard gun damage is just so difficult

[left cedar]

shit, i have to go, almost 07 here

[opaque gate]

uvh offflag is better than flag in terms of dps right? and will yamato gun be a good gun for UvH offflag?

[barren tapir]

actually how do you get more than 1 per month, i dont wanna convert my t2s cos lots of gold gear needs those too

[left cedar]

its off flag, yes
460, not exactly

[vapid grotto]

Hey umm guys ,i built 20 ships yk, just to get some units and, i got zhis ur and aurora ,are they good? Or rare?

[storm heron]

wdym aurora

[barren tapir]

dont build on perm and you got the worse Me rip

[storm heron]

am I blind

[barren tapir]

they mean avrora

[vapid grotto]

Bottom right?

[storm heron]

u know what aurora looks like?

[barren tapir]

and that was a bad idea anyway we have UR soon

[left cedar]

will convert them, cuz i wanna Tenrais, and i'm already banked with guns to the bones
also i have enough Proto to keep buying BPs and keep crafting them from month

[hollow gust]

its avrora and i suggest not to pull anymore

[vapid grotto]

Yea i just built 20 ships for fun, im at 3.1. So i thought i could improve a bit

[storm heron]

aged like milk

[vapid grotto]

Gambling addiction

[hollow gust]

There is literally 0 reason for your to pull , all the good units are not even in the banners

[barren tapir]

oh well it's your mistake to make. we just suggest not to because it can hurt you later when you miss the UR or a waifu from event and gotta wait over 2 years

[dreamy blade]

gambling implies being able to win something but thats not the case with the perma banner

[storm heron]

but technically they CAN win something, 5 shinanos and 5 njs for example in 10 pull

[barren tapir]

well you can win in perma banner but the odds are powerball tier like if they got british Me it would've not been too bad tbh

[cinder hornet]

you never win a gacha game 🤣

[barren tapir]

also this, by technicality

[dreamy blade]

even tho he "won" a UR it's not like it will do anything besides sit in his dock looking pretty bc he cant/shouldnt mlb it

[vapid grotto]

I mean ,the ur looks cool

[barren tapir]

the new UR probably look cooler art powercreep is a thing, tho it's subject to taste

[storm heron]

yeah he didn't win

[vapid grotto]

I play for fun, not to optimize for pvp or anything like that

[barren tapir]

he won a trophy wife at best

[hollow gust]

You managed to pull a powercreeped UR congrats , now if you are too poor for the new UR . Sounds like you got sucked punched

[barren tapir]

you won't be having fun when you lose the one shipfu you really wanted from an event because you didn't have enough cubes due to these sorts of pulls

[storm heron]

me and musashi

[barren tapir]

theres a reason we advise against that, and it's not just for metaplaying

[dreamy blade]

or enough coins

[novel condor]

time to wait for 2 years

Well at least you know now, if ya don't wanna follow the advice then that's up to you

[vapid grotto]

Aight ,i mean i havw some cubes left and il stop building ships but i doubt il be that mad when i dont get a specific character

[barren tapir]

[coarse heron]

He doesn't know

[novel condor]

Guess only time will tell

[rain hearth]

whom did you guys oath?
could you tell in #al-general

[barren tapir]

you may or you may not, question is do you want to chance it? this is a waifu game, if you're a warm blooded human being odds are youll eventually find a shipgirl that knocks your socks off and it's gonna really hurt if you have to wait over 2 years to try getting her again (and by then she won't be as strong relatively speaking, either)

[vapid grotto]

Sure ,ig il just save until someone smart says to pull for a new op character

[dreamy blade]

to answer your original question, no nj and avrora arent particularly good especially a 0LB nj

[vapid grotto]

Powercreep is that bad huh?

[vapid grotto]

So i shouldnt change my fleet?

[coarse heron]

there's ships that were meta in 2020 that are now considered unusable trash

[hollow gust]

No but the UR you pulled is like 3 years old

[barren tapir]

depends on the ship. supports typically age better than dps

[vapid grotto]

Thats harsh

[dreamy blade]

it's fine but probably want to replace penn since you have darkness

also swap portland and helena's position

[barren tapir]

i wouldnt go that far

but they went from meta to "decent if you like them"

[coarse heron]

Portland should be in the leftmost position

[storm heron]

nahh unusable trash is insane

[barren tapir]

which ship specifically are we talking about tho

[vapid grotto]

Ok ,switchem them, so i shouldnt use the ur i got?

[storm heron]

akashi

[tropic tusk]

Will it be possible to bring 3 fleet into w15? Or still only 2 fleet

[barren tapir]

ok but roon with augment is actually quite good especially for new players so

[storm heron]

seriously akashi was meta for campaign

[coarse heron]

Akashi was a viable strategy once upon a time to deal with the plane

[barren tapir]

fair. alright one ship

[vapid grotto]

So the ur i got is bad and i shouldnt use it?

[dreamy blade]

the outdated ectl campaign guide still mentions using vestal for that

[coarse heron]

if those are your highest level ships, NJ might actually be usable
Her oil cost is what makes her not usable.

[storm heron]

but then unusable trash is just too much when she's just a bit below perseus for w15

[barren tapir]

i'll let you in on an endgame secret: ppl raise repair ships for mvp control eventually when they have no backline to level anymore eventually they DO become useful

[vapid grotto]

I just started 4 days ago i play slowly ,yea those aew my highest lvl ships

[hollow gust]

MVP control is just a stupid waste of time

[coarse heron]

yeah the problem in your case then is NJ uses as much oil as your entire fleet right there combined does

[humble solar]

Should I +13 J crown and Four Seals Amulet

[storm heron]

endgame secret is finding a low oiling strat and not telling people like cheeky or hikari or sushigummy or mori

[barren tapir]

apparently if vg doesnt get mvp its less exp/oil than doing long comm

[hollow gust]

[south sequoia]

Yeah but heres the thing
You don't have to wait 10 hours

[vapid grotto]

Also i saw on reddit not to retry the 3.4. Stage to not waste oil ,is that true?

[storm heron]

nuuu you shouln't

[barren tapir]

[south sequoia]

Whether or not the wait for 10 hours is less efficient depends on the player but unlessss you're super stingy realistically it doesn't matter

[barren tapir]

yes ofc, its just a math thing not a time thing lol

but mvp control is good to have when ur that far in

[coarse heron]

Akagi and Kaga weren't good even when the game was new, they're really bad now except as waifu

[storm heron]

like I had 0 oil T4 last event

[vapid grotto]

Ok ,just was curious

[barren tapir]

hold on, what

[storm heron]

enter and then retreat

[coarse heron]

that's 10 oil, idiot

[dreamy blade]

is that not still 10 oil

[barren tapir]

you're gonna have to explain this one to me chief

[south sequoia]

I would've levelled up akashi regardless of mvp control or not, I used her when I was doing 1:1 farming in w12

[storm heron]

true, forgot about that

[barren tapir]

that's an exaggeration. they were decent on release they've just been powercrept into oblivion

they were run of the mill gold cvs with average efficiencies and stats that had a partial preload gimmick in an era with very little competition for that, that makes them decent to me

[south sequoia]

^

[storm heron]

well that's why I don't tell people about my strat

[humble solar]

Why not

[dreamy blade]

more like "werent worth farming for even when the game was new"

[coarse heron]

correction, they weren't worht the effort to farm.

[storm heron]

bad auxes, you have many other higher prios

[south sequoia]

This, akaga later on got heavily phased out after the game added more later worlds

[barren tapir]

well worth is subjective

in the past oilcap didnt exist so there wasnt a huge incentive to speedrun campaign

[mystic heron]

i recently dev 30'd napoli, does she replace any of the main tanks here?

[storm heron]

maybe when oilcap didn't exist 3-4 was okay?

[barren tapir]

you know it's very bad nowadays because it delays you getting to oilcapped maps right

[coarse heron]

2-1 was better

[barren tapir]

are you really gonna go THERE

[vapid grotto]

Whats that give

[south sequoia]

Thing is during the early days of the game what else were you gonna do, akaga was a decent pair to grab
they were waifu and not much was in 2018 - early 2019 so they were not exactly worthless to farm but they werent a priority either

[coarse heron]

oh absolutely, let's start an argument

[storm heron]

I mean 2-1 back then is just C1 but oil instead of ap

[barren tapir]

nah i actually think 2-1 still has some cringe merit

but the idea that 3-4 isnt worth if you think 2-1 is worth is silly. both had their pro and con for low oil

[vapid grotto]

What does 2-1 give

[south sequoia]

^

[coarse heron]

chance to proc commissions

[barren tapir]

i am well aware trust me LOL i have stumbled upon CN black alchemy

[storm heron]

chance for akaga

[south sequoia]

2-1 was actual tech (I was a pioneer and had my own guide with recommendations)

[coarse heron]

god all the lawnmowing memes

[south sequoia]

It was very controversial, but whether or not it was actually worth depends on you

[barren tapir]

2-1 is the most efficient black alchemy but 3-4 was valid to get collection% or extra medals drop

[south sequoia]

It works, you can't argue that it didn't work
It wasn't the best use of your time but it indeed worked

[vapid grotto]

You seem smart, so i really wanna use the ur i got ,but from what everybody said its bad for oil eficency? Is that right?

[storm heron]

what lawnmowing?

[coarse heron]

I got Kaga AND Akagi in less than 20 runs btw

[barren tapir]

especially now with how many OP crossfleets we have you can do 3-4 almost as efficiently as 2-1 if farming comms there lmfao

[coarse heron]

people literally saying to "mow some lawns" to earn money to buy gems instead of doing 2-1

[south sequoia]

Bad for oil efficiency because you are running a ship that isn't at max stars

[vapid grotto]

I wanted to get then but since everybody says they adw trash ig not

[south sequoia]

All ships are bad when they are not MLB/6 Stars

[storm heron]

nobody ask + L + ratio + noradrenalin + hawk tuah + still water
also aquila for 40 cubes btw

[barren tapir]

keep in mind that urgents spawn not just on entry/finish of map but after each battle too, so 3-4 might cost slightly more per battle but subsidizes the 10 oil entry cost more. making it similar efficiency if your 1:1 0lb is strong enough (which it is with enough crossfleets)

[south sequoia]

There are exceptions but they are exceptions and not the rule.

[barren tapir]

if you want to know MY black alchemy i do ch6

that is more expensive but gets you purple plates

[south sequoia]

what the hell does ch6 have

[vapid grotto]

Thats the limit break right?

[south sequoia]

7-2 had its merit cause of the mystery nodes

[storm heron]

7-4 coin farm

[south sequoia]

Yes

[barren tapir]

51 oil per run (bc i dont have enough crossfleets for 1 fleeting) and it has decent purple plate efficiency outside of events

[south sequoia]

MLB = Max limit break / All stars

[vapid grotto]

Oh yea also ,i saw i can buy a ship with those medals? But wich one

[sharp socket]

aurora cooking funny farm tech

[south sequoia]

Screenshot your medal shop please

[storm heron]

ca cl

[barren tapir]

so it costs about double the oil of ch2 (realistically 2-1 blocks the boss quite often, so youll spend 26 oil unless replacing the backliner often)

[storm heron]

CA CL iirc

[jaunty vault]

why are we discussing outdated coin farming strategies

[barren tapir]

and you get 3-8 purple plates per run

[south sequoia]

Dont buy anyone

[barren tapir]

it's not for coin it's for comms if you're a stubbornheaded f2p player LOL

[vapid grotto]

Why

[hollow gust]

sandy or sirius is fine

[opaque gate]

montpelier good for w13? i wanna change my laffey to another USS ship for data collection

[barren tapir]

sandy or sirius is fine but go near the end of the month to see who you need more

[south sequoia]

Ah right, sandy is a decent pick up

[sharp socket]

i think its faster to make money irl and then spend it than to grind comms for gems

[vapid grotto]

Can i buy enterprise if she comes there

[storm heron]

just grab san diego and minneapolis by the end of the month

[opaque gate]

i alr have sandy, portland, laffey as my vanguard

[south sequoia]

Enterprise is the number 1 buy for players who dont have her

[barren tapir]

it is but i would like to remain f2p

[storm heron]

you will not use em soon, prioritize buying bulins first

[south sequoia]

Funnily enough that is the main argument why everyone was so against 2-1

[storm heron]

I agree, more fun too

[barren tapir]

anyway these strats exist for a reason. they shouldnt be even looked at until you're in ch12 but once you have competent fleets and a baseline farm spot you can do what you want. that's my opinion.

[sharp socket]

unless your monthly income is under 100 usd then i suppose not

[barren tapir]

plus it was kinda fun actually figuring out what i needed to low oil ch6 for yuudachi, then i just kept on it

[storm heron]

even my country is 300 usd monthly at least

[vapid grotto]

Idk ,top 3 designes for me for gold ships are eneterprise ,bismark and avrora

[barren tapir]

but tbh its the only way to collect every ship as f2p without having to sac some for a while i think. pure handouts don't keep up with collection rate for the first 2 years

[storm heron]

well prople definitely disagree

according to the polls at least

[south sequoia]

While that is not relevant to what I had just said, enterprise is a great pick up due to her power and ability to last you for a long while

[vapid grotto]

Idk ,ive not seen a lot of ships yet

[barren tapir]

u r free to play waifu > meta if u prefer, we just recommend the best from a strength perspective to smooth out the new player experience as much as possible

[hollow gust]

bismarck is one of the most basic btch designs ever

[storm heron]

[sinful escarp]

also dont pull yet, there is an upcoming event with an probable ultra rare ship coming

[vapid grotto]

Havent seen every gold ship ,onky seen like 20-30 for now

[vapid grotto]

Idk ,i feel stupid not using the highest rarity ship i have

[barren tapir]

basic but cute ngl

[storm heron]

I mean bismarck is like the first batch, ofc basic batch

[barren tapir]

guaranteed theres no way it isnt UR the only question is 1 or 2

[coarse heron]

You can tell if ship is first batch based on how big their rigging is

[storm heron]

nagato not?

[barren tapir]

remember when ship designs had some basis on their irl counterpart

[coarse heron]

look how big Pennsylvania's rigging is

she's actually bigger than her rigging

[vapid grotto]

Oh btw is the anime any good?

[storm heron]

dumke thought this is algen, and I cannot blame him for thinking that

[barren tapir]

the wiki exists for your perusal if desired: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships_by_Image

[opaque gate]

who is a good replacement for laffey? i use laffey sandy portland for uss w13 data collection

[storm heron]

helena good, monty good, balti good, sf good, minnea good, cleve

[barren tapir]

would use laffey to 120 she has good tech, not sandy she is 120 already, and just do ch12

[pliant acorn]

If i level 13 this plane, will the stats only apply on OpSiren or in general?

[hollow gust]

just take san fran or monty, sanfran is way more versatile though

[barren tapir]

also helena to 120 is gud she will be a bit more durable in endgame fights you use her in.

[jaunty vault]

latter

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, cuz w13 is easy for my current team IF i play on manual, but when it comes to auto, my portland dies

[jaunty vault]

also don't enhance your wyvern beyond +10

[elfin hollow]

Too late it seems.

[novel condor]

I did that

[jaunty vault]

[barren tapir]

but why do w13 unless u rlly thirsting for coggies?

[novel condor]

smh coop warns me now

[storm heron]

just farm cdc in 12-4. If you wanna farm BH then be prepare for pain

[opaque gate]

dont w13 give better exp? but ngl i just wanna put w13-4 to "safe" so i can farm it later

[barren tapir]

more exp/run less exp/oil

[storm heron]

no it gives 12% more coins

[storm heron]

sure ig

[barren tapir]

well that's a valid reason but then use your best ships until it's safe

[opaque gate]

ahh okok, but still, i wanna make its threat level to safe

[barren tapir]

no reason to make your life more difficult lol

[storm heron]

as someone who always look for an opportunity to farm higher world while levelling 12 ships, it is not worth it to farm 13-4 over ch12

example, I tried 13-4 since my musashi reached 120 and it fails horribly because the vanguard died

[barren tapir]

my post-enlightened opinion is that exp efficiency is not a huge concern when it comes to spending oil because you'll likely be cog gated sooner or later and c1 exists

youll also eventually run out of backline to level and have to take exp inefficiency then

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, for now ill just manual till i get threat to safe

[sharp socket]

i think you underestimate how long it takes to start running out of chips

[pale wing]

Guys, is it a good idea to get Zuikaku in the E.X?

[pliant acorn]

Here's my chapter 15 fleet, should i upgrade some of my URs to 13?

[storm heron]

I farm 12-4 and event 55k my cogs is stable at 20k

[barren tapir]

my chips peaked at 19k and are now on a downward trend

[vapid grotto]

So to not be a dumbass again, i will just stick to campaign and wait till somebody here says i can pull

[barren tapir]

i dont concern myself with it much, i'm in no rush, but i also am not gonna care for hyper exp efficiency as a result lol

[storm heron]

zuikaku is for tech only, so normally no for newbs. Also I'd rather pray for rng medal shop than spending oil there. So was it justified? Hell nah

[barren tapir]

(im down to 13k for what it's worth)

also im working on tech already so that's gonna rapidly eat them up tbh

[pale wing]

Welp, i already researched Roon just to get FdG

[barren tapir]

that's normal. its just warchives are less efficient than ch12 farm so outside of very specific needs (kms tech, cosmic kicks, jda) you're better off doing ch12

[pale wing]

I'll try tho

[barren tapir]

well we'll see maybe my bulin limitations will prevent the cogs from declining too much but it's too early to tell

[storm heron]

tenrai, 457, guam gun, table. ALSO HOLY FLAPPIES

[dreamy blade]

and how long is that it feels like I've had 16xxx chips forever

[sharp socket]

also arent you like a 2 month old player, why are you farming tech that early

[pale wing]

Uhh, i'm already a month-old player rn

[barren tapir]

why not, what else do i aim for xd

[sharp socket]

referring to aurora

[storm heron]

you start tech farm as soon as you can do healing abyssals

[pale wing]

Yet, i have to AFK grind on Hardmode just to get the Cores

[vapid grotto]

Hey how rare are the ur bulins?

[sharp socket]

i guess if you stay at w12 and never go higher you can start tech early

[storm heron]

cause you can afk in 12-4 or 12-1

[pale wing]

UR for the Bulin Mk3

[barren tapir]

i can do everything relevant already so

ch13 waits for sandy in medal shop
harby waits for more URs (i can do 50% with 3 fleets rn, and they're bad fleets)

everything else i can do lol so now im working on tech for cool research waifus and stronger ships

[pale wing]

But..
Is it a good idea to grind there? Cause i need cores to get Type 1 AP

[barren tapir]

i spose i could begin raising subs? but meh.

i like tech i want to get all my waifus stronger

[pale wing]

Yet i used Ironblood Submarines

[vapid grotto]

The thing i need to limit break nj

[sharp socket]

you referring to fleet tech points or actual tech stat farm

[storm heron]

core data is grinded in hard stage, it is different than the 12-1 I mentioned

[barren tapir]

both.

[sharp socket]

cause the former you can do from various stuff

[storm heron]

I think the right one

[barren tapir]

like again idk what else to aim for

[elfin hollow]

You get around 1 per month.

[pale wing]

I NEED 2 to MLB MY MUSASHI

[sharp socket]

just aim for w15 if you want to tryhard the game

[barren tapir]

i feel like ive already reached a point where im just collecting waifus and making them strong, not in need of anything specific

[elfin hollow]

~~ me scrapped some and have 3 left ~~

[barren tapir]

and ch15 no point in chasing before guam/laffey2 rerun otherwise im just making it unnecessarily difficult for myself

[sharp socket]

well theres your problem

[barren tapir]

particularly since i skipped musashi for collab

[storm heron]

I like your mindset 🤝

[sharp socket]

w15 is doable without both, and musashi too

[barren tapir]

what problem lol, i dont care too much about being a real tryhard, i just like the game and want my waifus to be strong

fleet tech feels like the obvious answer at my point in the game as long as i don't neglect something for it

[sharp socket]

you say this but also recommend c1 farming and low oil farming and talk about chip shortages

[storm heron]

there's a reason I waited that long for w15 (after I got aquila somehow and eldridge got retro and shimanto got fatesim and sandy got aug)

[barren tapir]

it all has a purpose if you read more than just surface level

my goal is to try and never have to sacrifice a ship

[storm heron]

well yeah that one I side with celsuh, sorry smol

[sharp socket]

100% of people have gotten by without doing stuff like that, so i assume you're going for super fast w14/w15 rush given how you talk about playing the game

[barren tapir]

but again i ask you, if not fleet tech what do you think i should focus on

[storm heron]

no you're right in that regard

[barren tapir]

arent you someone who sticks to 300-400 dock only

[dreamy blade]

It's not like you can avoid tech unless you're sortieing with maxed level ships and wasting exp

[storm heron]

tech here fleet tech, not tech points

[opaque gate]

i minneapolis/san francisco better than portland?

[barren tapir]

i mean that applies to both

im raising my favorite ships first but beyond that im also raising decent tech ships as a secondary goal

[opaque gate]

also, is helena really better than laffey for data collection? sandy helena portland > sandy portland laffey?

[storm heron]

huh I literally raise only absolutes and fleet tech, don't care about tech points

[elfin hollow]

Can you mlb them? If not, stick to port.

[opaque gate]

okok

[barren tapir]

my goal is to someday have every ship in my dock, realistically to do that as f2p you gotta do some underhanded tactics to bully the game into giving you enough gems before you run out of dock

[storm heron]

and nana i guess

to grind her affinity

[barren tapir]

well tech point is early on, for research ships

[dreamy blade]

don't see how that makes a difference, I guess you could raise ships to 100 and not awaken them but

[barren tapir]

for example that's why im raising hood to 120 it definitely isnt for her tech

[storm heron]

true, you're right ig

[barren tapir]

although making ruppy a bit tankier is a nice bonus, it's a very low priority tech

[elfin hollow]

Choose the one that survives. Ship types don't affect the point gained.

[storm heron]

both are the same since they give good tech. assuming they both survive

[barren tapir]

i suggested using portland helena laffey in ch12 since sandy is 120 and laffey has good tech but it's up to you

[pale wing]

Should i use her in my fleet tho?

[opaque gate]

okok thank u, ill go for helena portland sandy, then when threat is safe, ill change sandy with laffey till 120

[storm heron]

by the definition of use by fybredoggo, use means deploying or sortieing ur ships in high level content. So no

you can farm her tech though

[opaque gate]

just realized that helena has a good AA too

[dreamy blade]

the only one of those with a chance to mvp for extra exp is sandy, the other 2 you pick don't matter

[sharp socket]

sandy is a solid pick for 125 so you can level her to 125 too

[barren tapir]

also to clarify some things

'real tryhard' to me is someone who only cares about meta and doing endgame content and being the best at said endgame content

that's not me, i am a waifu > meta player for the most part, and while i like being able to do things without struggling too much, i'm not in a rush to excel at them.

[dreamy blade]

the difference between tryharding and inefficiency avoiding

[storm heron]

I love when we mid level player fight when the elders like cheeky and umi was in peace

[pale wing]

@elfin hollow
Oi, why?

[barren tapir]

damn did i already graduate to mid level player

[storm heron]

unless one of u are secretly high level and actually "researching"

[sharp socket]

well you're certainly a contradictory player

[elfin hollow]

Bc purple meta ship.

[sharp socket]

anyway i dont wish to argue about this

[barren tapir]

idk im like this in every game i play for the most part xd, i guess soft tryhard?

its ok tho ive made ppl confused in other games for the same reason, i get it

[storm heron]

just shake hands, make love not war

[sharp socket]

if it makes you happy to farm c1 as a "casual" player so be it, but know that it is not the common definition nor is what you do recommended 99.9% of the time

[barren tapir]

well i didn't say i'm casual either

but i would say there's a bit of a difference between c1 and ch15

[storm heron]

[tawny ermine]

yo is chkalov any good?

[storm heron]

she is one of the better gold cvs

very good in AoE damage

[tawny ermine]

cool, i might research her cause i need her and the other 3 of my northern parlament to be mlb so i can start researching admiral nikhimov

i only own 3 northern parlament ships sadly

[storm heron]

well I guess it depends, but you can certainly get away of just using two level 100s (since total exp is 4M)

also consider the time you need for collecting blueprints

[tawny ermine]

yeah trueee

[storm heron]

I started late to the game but still have plenty of time to rush into the cdc

or in other words, I regret rushing cdc, should have taken it slower by raising only ships that give fleet techs

[tawny ermine]

yeah i only have 3 northern parlament so sadly its not enough to just get admiral nikhimov since not enough points but if i get chkalov and mlb her and mlb the other 3 ill be able to get admiral

[faint cloud]

\

[tawny ermine]

/

[faint cloud]

eating, mistouch(

[mellow depot]

anyone knows how much coin it takes to retrofit eldrige ?

[tawny ermine]

jesus i didnt know getting the max special augment for sandy was gonna make her so much better

now i might get saratoga as soon as i have enough

[storm heron]

you can delete ur own messages btw, it'll come in handy

[coarse heron]

The fact that it’s “a barrage every time her MGM fires” wasn’t clue enough

[tawny ermine]

lmao true

[coarse heron]

I put the UR IJN DD gun on her and she just vomits out stars

It’s only 3:35am and I just discovered Grok has a free tier

[vale spindle]

wrong server

[storm heron]

:fybredogeza:, deleted 3 messages unrelated to gph

[ebon storm]

For shinano’s sakura buff does shinano itself count towards the “3 or more sakura empire ship” requirement?

[zinc cave]

Yes

It'll specify when the ship itself doesn't count

Usually

[storm heron]

yes when the own ship does not count it will say so

[tawny ermine]

how good is saratogas augment? is it work the 21K for it

[storm heron]

since she is mostly used for placeholder for quite some time, 21K is pretty good

[tawny ermine]

so should i make it or should i continue to level up my chracters?

[storm heron]

wdym level up, can you show me how you level character up using coins?

[tawny ermine]

i mean awaken

[strange sphinx]

[storm heron]

then idk if 21K for saratoga is justified, since if you can awaken your ships you are probably farming at world 12

[tawny ermine]

yeah i am farming at w12

thats why im contimplating

i might just awaken more ships

[zinc cave]

are you going to use saratoga

[storm heron]

yeah use as in sortie for hard content

[strange sphinx]

Idk but Shimano with Flapjack, Tenrai, and Wyvern + Haku with Flapjack, Helldiver, Wyvern are too mucj in reloading

[storm heron]

wdym

[strange sphinx]

Help me calculate that

[zinc cave]

reload too long?

[storm heron]

idk how you say "reload too long" when it's around 23s anyways

[storm heron]

anyways well, it's always better not to spent after you reach that level where you can afk farm in 12-4 while doing opsi

[tawny ermine]

is opsi really that good?

i dont see the point in it tbh

[storm heron]

ofc, 60% gears come from opsi

[tawny ermine]

really? how

[zinc cave]

crafting material and gold plates come primarily from opsi

[tawny ermine]

ohh ok

[storm heron]

well you have 2 aux slots, 3 other slots always gear lab stuff

[zinc cave]

the income is otherwise poor

[sinful escarp]

gear lab materials

[tawny ermine]

so i should actually start doing it more

also i just yolod it and spent 21k on saratogas augment

[storm heron]

wyvern is there, 457 is there, 234 is there, UR AA gun is there, quad mags is there, tenrai? well it's gonna be on gear lab soon.

[tawny ermine]

im only up to this so i think im really early still right?

considering my exploration progress stars

[storm heron]

yes still really early

[tawny ermine]

lol thought so

[storm heron]

not the stars, but on the story chapter

get to opsi chapter 5 before anything, so you can enjoy better opsi experience

[tawny ermine]

ohh ok

well time to grind this now

[vast sparrow]

What does this mean "odd salvo" in FdG

[storm heron]

1st salvo, 3rd salvo, and so on

[vast sparrow]

Oh i thought it was the number of barrels

[storm heron]

nah salvo is number of barrels x main gun mount that your ships fire periodically

[left cedar]

also, u dont care much about that, cuz u cant do anything for it

[storm heron]

ammo swapping curse

[left cedar]

isnt ammo swapping, its buff swapping

and nothing in game rn can "help" cuz she needs more stats like Hit/RLD than a minor buff like Black and white shell can do for her

[zenith heron]

Need another opinion on my OpSi Fleets, should this be enough or does it lack something?

Ignore the 4th fleet bcs its for crossfleet only

[storm heron]

replace shimanto with someone else like kron

[left cedar]

kinda why simanto into mob ?

[zenith heron]

kron is 120 and 3 star at the moment

[left cedar]

last fleet seens ... wtf

[zinc cave]

composition mostly passable
ur meowfficers should focus on the backline more

[storm heron]

oh bruh I can't even see the meowficcers

[left cedar]

meowfficers seens totally random ... so, i refuse to make a comment about

[zenith heron]

crossfleet, don't mind it, bcs my Kearsarge isn't ready yet,
~~
Planning to change when Kear becomes dev30 for a vs Light CV fleet~~

[left cedar]

so keep with work, its a decent fleet, and u already know the purpose

[forest palm]

Unzen can be dumped for Plymouth, Shimanto can be dumped for Unzen, I'd use a proper tank for mob cause you aren't gonna survive strongholds like that

[zenith heron]

I have no Harbin too to lay her off so I put Shimanto there, also my Plymouth and Brest is still Dev 20

[forest palm]

otherwise I see no real issues

[left cedar]

probally it will, cuz my Op.Si fleet is quite similar

[storm heron]

I agree with :Taz:

[forest palm]

4th Fleet is just a dump fleet in the end so that's kind of w/e if you don't mind gear changing

[left cedar]

Volga/UvH/Klaudia
FC/Kursk/Hindy

andi can clear pretty much all them

[storm heron]

that's carl ofc

[zenith heron]

[left cedar]

FC and Hindy are quite similar in bulky

[forest palm]

Plymouth Dev 20 is fine

[zenith heron]

gonna take that in mind

[forest palm]

you're gonna be using her as a support only, it works, not highly recommended, but it works

[storm heron]

wait yeah actually

[left cedar]

its about CA and KMS ... of course i know wut i'm saying

[storm heron]

who knows maybe I had a chance to win with mebot

[forest palm]

realistically you can just use your mob fleet for all your ops needs outside of Arbiter

[storm heron]

I agree with this, why even bother building 4 proper fleets when you can just use 1 god fleet and only switch for optimized 4 when fighting harby

[zenith heron]

I did ask last time that I asked if I would exchange Shima to Unzen in boss which you guys agreed, but I made it even weirder by putting Shimanto at Mob

So is it fine that I put Shima back at BB boss fleet? and Unzen at Shimanto's Place? Or she'll stay at Cross Fleet while following Taz's recommendation about Plymouth?

[forest palm]

I wouldn't recommend the Plymouth bit, and your fleet could stay as is, aside from your mob fleet needing a proper tank