gameplay-help

[storm heron]

are you struggling on choosing which cdc you should do with your limited IB main ship?

[opaque gate]

how good is avp? im currently building her, need 2 days, but i alr have dev30 bps

[storm heron]

cause I would do fdg first unless I have 2 UR BBs, fdg is longer to coin too

[soft raft]

2nd best freeze utility after FS5 (With the best being Implacable)

[opaque gate]

who is first?

and how do i sync her freeze? should she airstrike first, or other cvs first before her

[storm heron]

best permanent-obtainable stopper, a must use for CV single target boss comp

her (actual) airstrike time should be in the middle, as close as possible to the other two

[opaque gate]

ok so, first cv, then avp, then next cv, and they should have almost the same time of airstrike

[soft raft]

you adjust the planes on all three of your CVs to be as close to eachother as possible

[opaque gate]

so i should really buy beacon

[storm heron]

if you need it yes, though people usually run manjuu because avp is fast

[opaque gate]

what isbmanju

[storm heron]

the +4% loading time

[opaque gate]

ahh increase time

i should just buy both of them

[slender turtle]

is manju an event only aux, or in core data shop?

[storm heron]

sure, it's not like core data is limited if you get to the point where you have your shells and stuff

[opaque gate]

is manju stronger thanbsteam catapult? since it has 4% dmg bonus

[storm heron]

in most cases no

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[zenith heron]

Is it normal to run out of "High Combat Logistics Plan"?

[storm heron]

no because people save them for limited time events

[opaque gate]

damn i always have 0 lol

[storm heron]

core data shop

[zenith heron]

I guess I should stop using it on my Coin grind at 13-4 I guess, bcs it is the reason why its drained

[sinful escarp]

up to you, but its always nice to have extra incase you need a lot of event points quickly

[slender turtle]

oh ye i been meaning to ask, best way to get gold is to jsut farm the highest stage you can do consistently?

[dreamy blade]

the exp grind for fdg has actually been not that bad with just gneis+graf, I just dunno what fdg is useful for I guess. my only URs are musashi and amagi

[zenith heron]

Mhmm, as long as your mob can handle it

[sinful escarp]

12-4 or 13-4 mostly

[dreamy blade]

12-4 is a lot easier so most people farm that

[sinful escarp]

before that, the highest stage you can farm with no one dying

[slender turtle]

i havent started stage 13 yet, thought i needed levels on ships, not sure when i should be good to do it

[sinful escarp]

tbh thats a good place to stop campaign for a bit and build up more ships in 12-4 imo

[dreamy blade]

lv115-120 ships with a solid aa carry per fleet, 3cv for mob + 1bb/2cv for boss

[slender turtle]

mostly just trying to get sandy leveled up to deal with any aa in chapter 13

[dreamy blade]

ime w13 is also a bit of a gear check since up to w12 you can kinda get away with using whatever

[slender turtle]

for mobbing, could i get by using like mushashi/unicorn/other CV?

or should i prio going full CV for mobbing

[storm heron]

well depend on the UR following this december, fdg might be your best second BB for compaign or one fleeting stronghold with musashi for the next, 6 months or so

[dreamy blade]

3cv for mob there is nice for the aa coverage

once you max out sandy she can carry the aa for your boss fleet

[eager mulch]

doggo have you done w15 yet?

[storm heron]

when you consider the level (you want to keep your ship cycle sustainable with books), 12-1 and 12-4 are the best stages

[storm heron]

yeah why

[dreamy blade]

Hm I guess it would be nice to have a real bb boss fleet for opsi, would I run something like musashi+fdg+Duke of York?

[eager mulch]

asking for a friend (i am the friend)

[weary gust]

What do you mean sustainable with books?

[storm heron]

yeah that is okay, or you can just not run a BB fleet and just put all your strongest BB in mob fleet to get maximum value out of that one fleet

[brittle depot]

yes. go full anti air for the vanguard and use double fighter cvs for the backline and a healer. thats what I did

illustrious for the mob fleet isn't too bad if you lack ur's or other ships

[storm heron]

I usually find it difficult for my new ships to be leveled enough to survive in 12-1, so instead of farming at lower level and reducing coins and cog chips, I use books to level them up to 90 so I can use them in 12-1

[viscid swift]

that's what everyone does pretty much...

[dreamy blade]

Musashi might be rough for w13 mobbing depending on how much aa you have, since her skill will make her tank everything for your cvs

[eager mulch]

absolutely peak name

[storm heron]

rascal dream

[slender turtle]

thats true, jsut figure sandy would would cover a lot of my aa needs

[zenith heron]

Hence her skill "Musashi's Guardianship", yes...

[slender turtle]

but running 3 cv shouldnt be too bad, might just go uni/amagi/shinano or somthin like that

[fallow sedge]

How hard is w11 about to unlock it

[storm heron]

just putting HPAAR on musashi will increase her survivability by a lot

[dreamy blade]

well this is assuming sandy is in your boss fleet to begin with

[brittle depot]

she does. although shes powercrept now shes still a solid AA ship, w13 wise though

[slender turtle]

not sure i would run her in boss fleet, is that much aa needed in the boss fight?

[storm heron]

3 cv in mob is ok, probably as good or better than 1bb 2cv I heard from the others in w13

[dreamy blade]

if you didn't find w10 hard then w11 is just more of the same

[zenith heron]

Not powercrept, in terms of W13 to W15

[brittle depot]

not too bad. levels are roughly lv 100 to 110 I believe

[rain bobcat]

sandy isn't really powercrept at all for AA worlds lol

she will consistently be top of the dmg chart in 13 and 15

[storm heron]

sandy haven't quit cooking

[slender turtle]

still no skins tho, tuff world out here

[zenith heron]

Considering she has the Highest AA in the game and has decent FP with her Retro and auxi, I doubt she is going anywhere, might see Scylla shelved than Dear Sandy

[dreamy blade]

yes and she's also quite durable and those fights can hurt

[brittle depot]

her AA stat is still one of the highest but imo other AA ships that have come out since then provide more with their skills

[storm heron]

which is?

[viscid swift]

what a load of rubbish

[rain bobcat]

who? and their skills wouldn't matter if sandy deletes everything

[storm heron]

are we just gonna assume everybody played during that 2 week of laffii event?

[slender turtle]

thats true, just might be hard with the ships i have atm, might need to get my eagle union ships up so they can be the boss fleet

[viscid swift]

or pretend that her augment doesn't exist

[zenith heron]

I doubt that....

[fallow sedge]

W10 was quite easy for me

[brittle depot]

i guess it just depends. dont get me wrong sandy is good. i used her for my w13 boss fleet

but since then I havent used her much compared to other aa ships.

[viscid swift]

so, who are you putting forth as just being better than her then

[brittle depot]

probably scylla or shimanto. i literally just use guam, shimanto and scylla and make sure scylla has the highest aa stat for the buff. may not be the best but gets the job done

[rain bobcat]

scylla>sandy????????

[storm heron]

damn I don't even have scylla, newbs gonna finish shimanto last, assuming newbs even play during the 2 weeks for guamu

[viscid swift]

San Diego's contribution to a fleet is higher than Shimanto's among other things
no idea how you conculded Scylla is better than San Diego retro

[sweet delta]

Sandy does like double of Scylla AA lol

[zenith heron]

Where'd you get that Scylla is better than Sandy?

[brittle depot]

Not saying shes better but just another option to use for a w13 fleet

[dreamy blade]

I thought he was gonna say laffii and Guam but lol

[rain bobcat]

also a lot more surface

[viscid swift]

"she does. although shes powercrept now shes still a solid AA ship, w13 wise though"

[rain bobcat]

powercrept means there's someone better

[viscid swift]

power crept implying that there's someone better than her

[brittle depot]

i say skill wise

[dreamy blade]

w11 and probably w12 will be easy for you too then, except maaaaybe 12-4

[rain bobcat]

there isn't

[viscid swift]

that doesn't even make any sense

[storm heron]

calling sandy solid is wild

more like top-tier, numbah one

[dreamy blade]

sandy is literally the aa ship every other aa ship has to be compared to

[fallow sedge]

What makes 12-4 a maybe?

[brittle depot]

scylla buffs so for me i see more value in that. shimanto has some healing now with her fate sim 5

[zenith heron]

Guam only is a Tank with AA support to ships with Lower AA than her,

Laffey 2 is by far the most "balanced" ship you can think of due to her stats and damn good durability,

but none does better than Sandy just completely Annhilating those Planes whenever it reaches her range...

[storm heron]

yeah good luck scylla

[dreamy blade]

Just speaking from experience, there was quite a jump in difficulty at the 12-4 boss compared to anything before

[viscid swift]

so your whole claim that Scylla is better than San Diego she buffs the AA stat of the whole fleet

[storm heron]

personally as long as you bring enough AA, w12 is as easy as w11

[soft raft]

doesnt Sandy do that as well?

[dreamy blade]

tldr san diego numba wan

[brittle depot]

for me personally

[rain bobcat]

uhh sandy still buffs more for both herself and the team lmfao double even

[storm heron]

then you're wrong unfortunately

[rain bobcat]

scylla: 30% herself 25% fleet

[slender turtle]

while we are talking about sandy, whats the best AA gun I hsould have on her?

[rain bobcat]

sandy: 25% herself 50% fleet

[viscid swift]

one, San Diego does that
two, San Diego's own AA is much better thab Scylla and while it's not permanent her fleet buff is a lot higher
three, San Diego should be tankier than Scylla and at the very least the surface damage of the 2 should be comparable
four, you're trying to reccomend something purely off of your own personal prefference even with the knowledge that it's not the best choice?

[dreamy blade]

ideally sexy bofors but gold roomba works too

[slender turtle]

is it worth have staag on her over a BB?

[rain bobcat]

i mean the literal only thing scylla has above is that 15% less cv dmg which doesn't even matter when sandy kills almost all the planes

[soft raft]

????

[storm heron]

sextuple or the UR AA gun. I would put roomba on someone else since roomba dps bit low

[zenith heron]

The only thing I see good about Scylla is her Spammable Barrage, but still no better than Sandy

[rain bobcat]

staag would make the AA much worse

[brittle depot]

as long as a ship or fleet gets the job wrong then it works. some ships are better but clearing a world isnt a competition. not everyone has every ship some its always good to provide alternatives. my w13 boss fleet was just an eagle union fleet centered around yorktown ii

[soft raft]

STAAG is a backliner AA gun

[slender turtle]

i c

[viscid swift]

Scylla is literally event limited while San Diego is permanently available

[rain bobcat]

yeah sure but
scylla: event limited
shimanto: fs5 pr6 limited
and both worse
and you called sandy powercrept

[viscid swift]

and to be blunt, Guam, Scylla, Shimanto is massive overkill for W13
just one of them would have been more than enough

[soft raft]

PR/DR is perma content fym limited

[storm heron]

shimanto is like last on line of other priorities, not limited though

[rain bobcat]

limited as in most people won't have it

[soft raft]

she's still peramently avaliable
She aint gonna fuck off for like 2 years before she returns

[brittle depot]

tbh i over looked that. in terms of availiablity then sandy is the way to go

[rain bobcat]

limited doesn't only mean event limited yknow

[hollow gust]

Who tf is calling Sandy powercreep lmao

[storm heron]

TKaz

[ivory pawn]

Doesn't Scylla have some other non-AA buffs that Kaz might've been talking about?

[viscid swift]

in the context of this channel, limited usually refers to if something is event limited or not

[hollow gust]

Sandy shits on everything even shimanto

[viscid swift]

would have been better to say, not easy to max or something similar

which will change in a few months anyway

[hollow gust]

You literally can't improve over San Diego if you want a AA ship

[slender turtle]

probably worth oathing sandy?

[brittle depot]

this is what I meant however i did forget san diago is in the perma pool unlike others i mentioned

[hollow gust]

Oath your waifu , it doesn't matter

[rain bobcat]

not rly do wtver you want

[slender turtle]

noted, ty ty

[hollow gust]

Meta oathing is extremly expensive

[viscid swift]

When this ship fires her torpedoes: fires a Lv.1 (Lv.10) special barrage (DMG is based on the skill's level); enemies hit by this barrage take 6% increased aircraft DMG for 6s.

this negligible tbh and not really worth making an effort to take advantage of especially in campaign when desync is what you want

[slender turtle]

i jsut save the gems for based L2D skin instead ez

[hollow gust]

no? f2p players cant afford to buy skins

[rain bobcat]

[storm heron]

Well just to remind you dock is limited for f2p, might wanna spend ur gems there instead

[rain bobcat]

technically can if they played since near launch

[slender turtle]

i not really f2p, sorry should have stated that

[eager mulch]

but my helena swimsuit skin

[soft raft]

still not worth it at all

[rain bobcat]

f2p players since launch would have all the dorm+600 dock by now so yes they can afford to buy it's just a matter of slaving collection or wanting smth else

tbf this game is literally skin simulator so if you ahve 300-500 dock do wtver you want tbh no one cares

[dreamy blade]

worth is subjective

[rain bobcat]

ur just making ur life worse if you want a skin, can't pay, and can't use f2p gems because people have a hate boner against it

[viscid swift]

don't you think it's not reccomended for a reason?

[soft raft]

huh what hate boner
if they're asking about using gems on skins here, then we're gonna give them the more optimal answer which is "No please dont, spend it on dock space instead"

[viscid swift]

do not underestimate how much quality of life improves just by having enough dock space

nor how retiring ships to save space is just a short term solution

[storm heron]

f2p feel fine with spending gems on skin until they realize how miserable they are when they can't even use the 3x sortie

[rain bobcat]

did we just completely disregard the "if you have 300-500 dock do wtver you want" part

[slender turtle]

i agree it isnt optimal, but i have like 400 dock space, which seems fine for me rn, and my gf and i like spicy L2D skins, so i buy them when I like them

[zenith heron]

Don't be like me who spent 3 Taihou skins and 1 Peter Strasser skin for 260 Dock Space only (Good Thing I have 4 slots and 2nd Floor dorm now)

[viscid swift]

in order to get to that point, that's at least a few years into playing among other things

[soft raft]

300 is still too low
and even at 500 I still wouldnt reccomend suddenly pivoting to buying skins with F2P gems

[viscid swift]

and frankly, the type of people who are in a position to that sort of stuff likely aren't the ones who are gonna be asking in a help channel

[rain bobcat]

completely subjective and upto the person lol

with retiring tech fodder 300 is completely fine

[viscid swift]

it is subjective, and we're giving our opinions and thoughts on the matter based on objectivity

[rain bobcat]

completely upto them but 300-400 is comfy as hell to farm on

[viscid swift]

also if you're gonna play that card

AL is basically a collection game, if you're gonna go into that you need well above 600 dock space

[slender turtle]

is the hazemeyer just a worse staag?

[viscid swift]

but anyway, I digress

[brittle depot]

ill give my two cents and yeah as a f2p for the sake of playing the game its better to use gems on dock space and dorm slots. thats part of my own mistake. after 2.5 years i have 430 dock space and have yet to unlock the 5th dorm slot

[zenith heron]

Just use one mainly for Backliner and some Vanguard ships that want some of those sweet Hit stat

[soft raft]

you should've stopped at the 3rd dorm slot
after that and it gets way too expensive

[slender turtle]

yeah tryna find a ship to put the hazemeyer on since i already have my staag on mushashi, maybe ill put it on my izumo, really my only other good BB option

[soft raft]

Unicorn

[dreamy blade]

bbs have prio for it but it's not like it's bad to put it on a dd/cl gunboat

[brittle depot]

yeah. i wanted to continue to i dont have to swap out a ship for moral when farming. more so a choice thing. rn on between saving 1200 for the dorm slot or a skin.... or more dock space. i have about 40 to spare but it will get tight as new ships come out

[soft raft]

just go all in on dock space

[dreamy blade]

like i have 2 staags so i have my hazemeyer on watarase

[viscid swift]

I would go for dock space

from now until next August you're only guranteed source of gems will be LNY at 300 or 10-20 dock space depending on how many gems you have

[slender turtle]

ooo good idea, i have wata at 123 rn, so probably put the haze on her over uni, right? since i have 2 gold steams on unicorn

[dreamy blade]

well it's not an aux so that doesnt change much and it just depends on your overall fleet's AA needs

[slender turtle]

yeah im a dipshit, realized it after saying that

[viscid swift]

so at max you'll end up with 60 extra spaces, between now and august there will be at least one event a month on average with at least 3 new ships each plus PR8 most likely

[brittle depot]

i have aboyt 600. gonna try to get the pther 200 from three staring w15 however i know thats gonna take a bit

[zenith heron]

Like what Blaster said, Battleships, Battlecruisers, and Light Carriers do use Staggs/Hazemeyers, its optional to use it on Vanguards if you want a bit of those Hit stat

Other than that its just a normal AA Accelerator, which at least you have better options on that (for Vanguards at least)

[slender turtle]

yeah will probably just put it on watarase since imma 125 her and have oath and skin for her

[dreamy blade]

since AA stats are averaged across your fleet you need to think about having good coverage in terms of range/reload/fr/dmg when putting AA guns on them

based watarase enjoyer

[slender turtle]

watarase is incredibly based, what aux should i run on her

[dreamy blade]

rudder+toolbox is what i use, probably the standard

[slender turtle]

makes sense

i really need to learn like what types of guns and stuff to put on ships like wata

seems liek a lot of her dmg is barrage anyway tho

[dreamy blade]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment#cl_guns

yes but since it's tied to your flagship you wouldnt use a barrage gun on her

[slender turtle]

i see, im sure i am using the wrong thing on her XD

[tender lotus]

Is it necessary to MLB META ships for level them to level 120?

[stark quiver]

No but youd probably want to

[tender lotus]

Why?

So that they don't sink easily?

[soft raft]

for the same reasons as you would MLB regular ships

[dreamy blade]

seeing as most meta ships are tech fodder would you really want to

[hollow gust]

?????

[soft raft]

would you rather try to drag a 0LB ship that's missing major chunks of their stats and kit or a MLB one?

[dreamy blade]

? if youre just raising them to 120 for the tech why not, to save 20secs off your 12-4 run?

[sinful escarp]

only reason not to mlb a meta ship you are using is that you dont have coins
thats the only use of their limit break mats anyways

[dreamy blade]

maybe im just biased bc i never have coins

[tender lotus]

I can only buy 1 copy of yamashiro meta
I'm not sure if i should level it normally or just put it in the dorm

[stark quiver]

Why would I want my ship to do jack and die

[soft raft]

just bench her

[slender turtle]

yah im also not sure if I should even spend the META currency in the META store

[dreamy blade]

the currency for that store is pretty limited but nothing there really matters

pretty much just for collection

[stark quiver]

Like I would tell you first hand that dragging a 0lb bb around in w12 sucks

[tender lotus]

Okay thank you guys

I hope everyone have a nice day!

[spring bolt]

if you are still relatively new, don't worry about those meta ships
if you are not, you probably won't ask here and go straight to ch 12 and level that 0lb yama meta

[barren tapir]

tbh considering how much backlog cruise meta shop has and how little crystal income, it does make sense to not mlb the tech fodder elite metas. unfortunately.

[dreamy blade]

[stark quiver]

is jintM next to be archived after algerie
and any eta for that?

[agile harness]

For a mob fleet is better to use fdg or musashi, for stage 13 and 14

[sharp socket]

fdg for w14, w13 can be either, no death boats in w13

[soft raft]

Yes and nop

[stark quiver]

when was the last meta archived?

[storm heron]

qe meta was around 2 months ago before nagato released right

[stark quiver]

lets hope in 2 months we get jintM

[storm heron]

woops nvm it was actually 3 months and some days ago qe meta was announced

3 months to mintuu meta

[desert tapir]

Do we know when the end of year event will be announced?

[soft raft]

CTA is next week so highly likely stream is gonna be next Friday

[ivory pawn]

Bad idea to try to level two battleships in w12?

[storm heron]

there will be no effect if you survived just fine, I would say the difficulty increase/decrease depends on what you replaced

so not neccesarily a bad idea

[hollow sail]

it depends on the rest of the fleet, only one carrier can be fine

[ivory pawn]

So try it out and see if it works, got it.

[soft raft]

if it's on safe threat lvl, you shouldnt really have much trouble

[ivory pawn]

12-4's on safe, 12-1's on low so close enough?

[wraith orbit]

messing around with elite cats. hm the next skill is not carrier based tho this cat good enough?

[stuck stirrup]

Does Roon's new augment actually work?

[hollow sail]

the skill improvement only comes with +10

[stuck stirrup]

Hm, alright, must not be looking closely enough, will watch the damage more

[hollow sail]

iirc

[wraith orbit]

i dunno. this cat's level 30 bc i got it at early game. haven't fed it away

[quartz jungle]

Yes keep it

[hollow sail]

try to cope and hope that next two points are better

[wraith orbit]

soulful warrior on cv cat

[quartz jungle]

Ace Pilot + Flame is what you want

[quartz jungle]

Then take it lol

[hollow sail]

take that soulful, keep it as campaign cat or something

[quartz jungle]

Good for campaign at least

[wraith orbit]

okie, tyty

last 2 points wasn't disappointing i suppose. think this is the best cat i have rn

[hollow sail]

that's really good already

you can hardly ask for better

[wraith orbit]

yeah. but it just doesn't happen to my ssr cats, but a elite cat

[storm heron]

you know your cat is pretty good when only a handful of permutation is better

[stark quiver]

you started with flame + ace?

[wraith orbit]

ace yes, flame no

[hollow sail]

what else would he have for CV cat anyway, just loading, if you happen to need every scrap of those reload points somehow

[storm heron]

that's wild

[stark quiver]

good roll, dont change it

[hollow sail]

soulful is a big win for campaign

[wraith orbit]

it is, was pretty surprised to see both flame and soulful in one roll

[stark quiver]

honestly W cat

[storm heron]

eh, mountain flame destiny is better for campaign

[barren tapir]

W cat

[storm heron]

but again when you can count what's better, you know you have a pretty good cat

[wraith orbit]

rainbow skills

[barren tapir]

that's splitting hairs cos 99% of ppl aint gonna get better than that cat

[wraith orbit]

yeah but i was a little hesitant whether to keep it bc it is a cv cat, dk if bb skill would be fine but again it's soulful and i got flame in the roll too

glad i didn't feed it away.

[stark quiver]

Speaking of cats
This one had flame starter, just rolled alpha and like now I’m stuck with shitter talents, js keep cat as is?

[hollow sail]

it's basically very good CV cat with an extra great BB talent on top so yeah. people kinda go a bit nuts with wanting every single point of reload but honestly not having all of it is hardly a big deal usually

[storm heron]

you have 3 left, might be able to get the trp/rld next one after this

[stark quiver]

look next image

[storm heron]

yeah so 1 talent point wasted

[stark quiver]

should i just take the L?
or gamble more

[wraith orbit]

gamble more

[hollow sail]

until someone makes an accurate reload breakpoint chart (riceist's is way off), it's kinda hard to say what you want exactly for SS

[storm heron]

idk about the probability, my sub cats have base flame and alpha

[stark quiver]

cuz if i take the ss hp talent, there might be worse rolls

[storm heron]

what arer you gonna lose, like 4.8k coins?

[bold stream]

Hello all. I am about a month into the game currently waiting for oil to push map 11.

Is double evasion the best gear for portland to tank mobs? Like beaver and washing machine combo?

[storm heron]

the argument is

1. 2 normal
   vs
2. alpha + hp

[hollow sail]

for mobs replace beaver with toolkit

for boss you can use beaver and rudder

[stark quiver]

back to the beginning
the starting talents of this cat is flame and torp rookie
i reset and rerolled, and got what i have now

[wraith orbit]

think there's a clear winner now

[bold stream]

Thank you Ren!

Also, about my shipyard research...

I got roon.. Grobe.. and currently researching Percival. But still do not have fleet tech for anchorage... Should I go for Agir after Percival?

[hollow sail]

sure, why not

[storm heron]

how about use the talent points and we decide from there

[stark quiver]

ima pick the hp talent then

[bold stream]

Is she not a dr? I wont be able to use her for a long time right?

[hollow sail]

she's likely to get coin catchup in january or so, which will speed up the process

[bold stream]

This are my lvled ships rn

[bold stream]

I didnt know that. Thanks!

[crisp estuary]

[storm heron]

so sad

[stark quiver]

💀

ima just keep it

[storm heron]

3 normals > alpha + 2 hp so might as well

I think it was 18 + 6 vs alpha's 15 + 8 but you do you

or perhaps should've taken the ib

[eager mulch]

[stark quiver]

IB in fishpack is useless

[ebon marten]

Is Aquila and u47 good?

[stark quiver]

aquila very very good
iirc u47 also gud for the ironblood sub comp

[stark quiver]

btw, dont pull on perma banners

[soft raft]

(besides 1 light pull per day)

[ebon marten]

Didn't those came from events I just saw that I had them today so wanted to ask

Saving my cubes for event whenever that is

[soft raft]

Unicorn retro + Aquila is a very good combo

With Musashi and it's one of the best mobbing backlines

[ebon marten]

Good to know then after I finish unicorn Portland and sandy a bit ill prob do aquila next then

[tawny ermine]

anyone know if warspite retro is worth?

[little tree]

its not

Warspite Retro bad

[tawny ermine]

damn what about yuudatchi?

and eldridge

[stark quiver]

eldridge retro is cracked

[tawny ermine]

ok so if i see her in merit store buy her

[little tree]

How much harder is 14-3 boss compared to 14-2 boss ?

[soft raft]

Do note that her retrofit item is event limited
Expect it to come back like sometime next year

[stark quiver]

do you have her retrofit item?

[tawny ermine]

who should i retro ive done saratoga, portland, sandy and unicorn

and no i dont have her item so ill still buy her and wait for her item tho

[wind hazel]

harder cause 2 of them, and they are Light armour so remember to bring appropriate gear

[little tree]

Should i bring 2 BB instead of 2 CV

[wind hazel]

buying her means your dockspace gets occupied by an unused ship

highly recommend you to just skip her until her retrofit item is rerunning

[wind hazel]

either works really, just depend on what they are and the rest of your fleet composition

[little tree]

im about to be on 14-2 My curretn boss is Amagi CV Vanguard Shiano
Agir JDA Cheshire (vanguard is Flag)

[wind hazel]

vanguard is lacking damage tbh

[viscid swift]

Cheshire is uhhh

[little tree]

I forgot to change her after 13-4 earlier

hmm Vanguard and FDG are my only 2 current MLB UR BB muashi is level 113

[humble solar]

Turns out WA is also a good place to grind for money

[viscid swift]

only if you don't have access to W12

[humble solar]

Yeah I don't. Campaign requires full clear to even advance which makes me bored af.

[little tree]

Should i have FDG boss and Vanguard mod then ?

[stark quiver]

thats the point of the game but carry on

[wind hazel]

no

when i said vanguard, i meant your fleet's vanguard, not HMS Vanguard

[little tree]

OHH

[viscid swift]

you only have to do it once and it's very much worth it

[little tree]

My dock hasnt changed since my OPSI thread not sure i have much dmg options i do have a lot of tanks though and DR skills

[wind hazel]

where is your eldridge, sandiego

[sweet delta]

wait until eldridge retro is rerunning and then successfully fail to roll her in merit shop for 3 months

[little tree]

Eldrich is not used And Sandy is mob

[viscid swift]

use Eldridge instead of Cheshire then

and find someone else that can contribute some damage maybe over JDA

[spring bolt]

Hmmm, next ur event will be ib...

[viscid swift]

huh?

[sharp socket]

i used agir ply ancho for w14 boss vg if it helps (i didnt backread)

[little tree]

my ply is dev 15

[wind hazel]

https://t.bilibili.com/1008052878341832759?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_time.click

[viscid swift]

ah fuck it's true

[wind hazel]

lmao really ironblood wtf

[sharp socket]

rip pasta

[viscid swift]

esdeath may get his H39 CV before the end of the year at this rate

[tawny ermine]

got some more questions is independence retro any good?

[humble solar]

Why do people prefer Portland as tank over Minneapolis?

[wind hazel]

she's cheaper and more accessible

[viscid swift]

because Portland is much cheaper and needed for the rookie missions

[gray sphinx]

yes

[tawny ermine]

like how good?

[wind hazel]

very very good

[humble solar]

So if I already have Minneapolis and finished rookie mission Portland is kinda not needed anymore?

[viscid swift]

Kronshtadt would be ideal

[tawny ermine]

you think i should get her from core shop?

[wind hazel]

sure, she's one of the first few thing you should get. but get shells first

[viscid swift]

well I'd still retrofit her for collection and to complete the missions but it's a much lower pruroity at that point

[tawny ermine]

i can get 1 shell and her right now

[little tree]

i shouould DO AGIR z23 Sandy MOB
Boss KRON ELDRICH JDA?

[wind hazel]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[humble solar]

Yeah, so far my only 2 actual CA tanks are Blucher and Minn. Balti is kind of a stretch to tank

[sharp socket]

ehp chart says minne is 87% portland

[eternal moth]

CAs aren't the only tanks.

[humble solar]

?

[eternal moth]

Minne is not a great tank. Do you still have Portland?

[wind hazel]

it means Portland is tankier than Minneapolis

[humble solar]

Yeah

[eternal moth]

Then there's your tank

[humble solar]

I'm using her for boss tanks

But using Minn for campaign since she also has heal (I'm running single fleets to save oil)

[wind hazel]

use Blucher and Portland, problem solved

[eternal moth]

I used a CL tank for mobbing almost the entire time in campaign

[humble solar]

Technically I could save further if I use Javelin or Jervis or DD gun Emden but..

[eternal moth]

Noshiro, Phoenix, a few others

[humble solar]

Phoenix huh...

[wind hazel]

just stick to portland

[viscid swift]

or just use full fleets so it doesn't get tedious

[eternal moth]

If he's making a second fleet he needs a second tank. I wouldn't recommend Phoenix anymore though.

[gray sphinx]

I thought you weren't supposed worry about saving oil early/mid game

[wind hazel]

he has Blucher

[humble solar]

I already spent 21k for Minn aug

[wind hazel]

what even are you trying to do, pushing campaign? what chapter

[humble solar]

Is it just me or Augs are kinda like Cope Equipment

[viscid swift]

no...

[mellow cape]

Augs can be game changing loll

[viscid swift]

the quality of unique augs just varies wildy

[humble solar]

[mellow cape]

Sandy Aug for example

[tawny ermine]

ok last question about retrofit is z23 any good?

[humble solar]

I just realized, why am I running Sandy on Mirror D3 when there's barely any carrier

[gray sphinx]

you can run sandy almost anywhere with her augment

[wind hazel]

decent, needed for rookie mission

[stark quiver]

cheeky ur name about to get us all banned

[sharp socket]

sandy pre aug was pretty good but her aug just makes her a damage powerhouse on top of AA powehouse

[humble solar]

Oh

I wish Warspite retrou can be as good

[gray sphinx]

the aug just makes it so that she can be used outside of AA powerhouse now.

[tawny ermine]

#gameplay-help message ??

[wind hazel]

??

[spring bolt]

actually only 7 nodes are needed for rookie mission but it's fine to fully retro z23

[humble solar]

Okay last question. Do CBs need the washing machine?

[sharp socket]

all cruisers want to use washing machine

[tawny ermine]

wheres my answer to my last question lmao

[sharp socket]

unless memes or speed kill comps

[gray sphinx]

two people literally already answered your question lol. She is decent. Won't see any play in the end game end game stuff like W14 or W15 but will last you awhile

[tawny ermine]

really? i didnt see them

[wind hazel]

do i need to tag ping you

[forest palm]

[sharp socket]

he needs ping to see messages

[tawny ermine]

yeah perferably

[wind hazel]

@tawny ermine THIS

[tawny ermine]

yes lmao nah just the one that highlights the message

[wind hazel]

@tawny ermine one more time

[sharp socket]

need more red circles

[little tree]

Is Golden Darkness better then Warspite ?

[tawny ermine]

also yeah my bad i just saw it

[wind hazel]

[forest palm]

Warpsite Retro isn't exactly that high a bar these days...

[tawny ermine]

im a little slow today im running of about 5 hours sleep

[frank pulsar]

her aug will give her 3x more barrages and increase modifiers by 200% trust

[tawny ermine]

to much ship girl and yapping last night

[forest palm]

I will laugh if she gets an Aug, and then immediately power crept within a month by an SSR BB

[viscid swift]

what

[ruby grotto]

does the medal exchange specialized cores count towards the monthly specialized cores limit (5000)?

[frank pulsar]

i dont think so

[humble solar]

5 hours?! How nice!

[ruby grotto]

cool thanks

[faint cloud]

lol ur event is ib

[viscid swift]

it has literally been confirmed by CN the next event is Iron Blood

no speculation, only facts

The latest information ahead——
The "Iron-Blooded" camp's large-scale event will be launched at the end of the month!
The members are heading to Minato City to prepare for the event!
The battle is coming, commander, please prepare for battle! (`・ω・´)ゞ ​​​

[stark quiver]

so an ib ur

[viscid swift]

almost certainly

[stark quiver]

my bad og

[wind hazel]

or... double IB UR

[viscid swift]

that is a possibility as well

[stark quiver]

in opsi, if my ships are dead in a fleet, does that mean my cats are dead too?

[mellow cape]

I hope it's an iron blood CV, do we have a UR IB CV yet?

[faint cloud]

expecting a ur cl and a ur sub

[mellow cape]

Imma bet $5 for iron blood CV lol

[crisp estuary]

Leaks are banned?

[mellow cape]

It was announced on their twitter

[viscid swift]

well, Weibo

still an official source though, no leaks

[forest palm]

AL, and leaks just don't happen

[viscid swift]

most "leaks" are just stuff getting added before it's due to be released and the dataminers find it, AL devs are really good at not adding stuff until it's to eb released

[bold cove]

Good to know, despite the fact that dont make faction fleet, i really like IB ship design, so cool

[pallid vortex]

When we craft unique augments is the mod effect enough or do we have to unlock skill upgrade as well?

[keen sable]

your ships can't die in ops

[eternal moth]

You need to take it to +10 to activate the unique part of the augment

[pallid vortex]

Sorry what i meant was is it ok to craft multiple and leave them at level 1? Or best to get all to level 10 as I'm a bit short on gold currently

[opaque gate]

can yamato gun be better than izumo gun for musashi?

[wind hazel]

dont bother crafting them if you got no coin

[wind hazel]

very rarely the case

[opaque gate]

should i just use yamato rather than izumo for musashi?

[mellow cape]

Two same face research, one small blue cognition and one medium purple cognition, which one do I choose?

[opaque gate]

oh, why is it rare? cuz yamato damage mod is better thwn izumo, other than the reload thing ofc

[stark quiver]

what ship

[mellow cape]

Nakhimov

[wind hazel]

the reload thing is the exact reason

[stark quiver]

id take the purple

[keen sable]

if the gun never fires then it's not better is it

[mellow cape]

yepyep

[opaque gate]

i see, but for long runs, will it be better?

like meta fights

[keen sable]

nope. it's only good for like 70s runs.

[opaque gate]

i see, so it can be good for OpSi mini boss fights

[wind hazel]

just stick to izumo gun really

[hollow sail]

it can be used on meta on musashi if you're not syncing with anything, but as a +13 target it's too expensive. daisen gun from PR7 basically works just as well and has sync potential, and is also better on opsi bosses

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[stark quiver]

should i +13 a tb right now, or wait to +13 la9
i have liek 120 plates

[viscid swift]

put it like, this the only time I've used that gun extensively is for Algerie META

I've come to the conclusion that this gun's niche is pretty much to sync BBs with CVs

which doesn't come up too often

the gun otherwise is too slow meaning
it's terrible for mobbing because long reload and high alpha leads to overkill and long downtimes
it can't sync with Helena half the time
and because you can only have so many you can't sync with other BBs

all these cause you to loose damage more often than not than gain it

[viscid swift]

I'd wait to see at least what comps for Taiho META look like

[tawny ermine]

i was kinda expecting this to me more expensive then the 115 to 120 awakening

[stark quiver]

taihou meta?

[viscid swift]

yeah, she's the next META showdown

[hollow sail]

it costs arrays whereas the others don't

[tawny ermine]

true

[weary gust]

The array income limits you to getting like one unit to 125 every 2 weeks.

[stark quiver]

ight bet, another heavy armor i like this
i reckon the typical ijn comps will be used, if theres no gimmicks?

[tawny ermine]

damn

[wind hazel]

we literally don't know what it does

who knows, maybe it will block entire airstrike damage

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

almost certainly

[stark quiver]

another incentive to max out rld

[eternal moth]

UR confirmed to be Ironblood on Weibo. Rip pasta dreamers

[eager mulch]

[shadow yarrow]

So how bad is napoli when you get to it

[eager mulch]

no amagi-chan cv ig

[stark quiver]

shes good when d30

[hollow gust]

Ironblood does need a new ship, most of them are powercreeped

[shadow yarrow]

idk i am asking kinda not so good faith (not completely bad faith tho) cause of the ib announcement

[hollow gust]

what does ironblood have to do with napoli...

[wind hazel]

it might powercreep napoli!

[hollow gust]

[shadow yarrow]

idk i dont really care that much for napoli either

[hollow gust]

if anything napoli powercreeps agir

[wind hazel]

napoli is very good tank

[hollow gust]

Hinden got powercreeped in 2 months

[stark quiver]

by who

[viscid swift]

She didn't exactly get powercrept

[hollow gust]

why use hinden when unzen is a thing

[viscid swift]

When light and medium armor bosses become more relevant

[hollow gust]

ill rather use unzen in med

[crimson glacier]

ok

[strange sphinx]

[little tree]

What do the flare shells do in 14-2 ?

[spring bolt]

removes enemy concealed status and reduce enemy eva rate in the flare area

sendai skill will have similar effect there but it won't justify using sendai in ch 14, just a gimmick

[storm heron]

what was the general strategy, to take flare and not take lighthouse?

[viscid swift]

Opposite

[storm heron]

flare is for boss right? or do you just not take it

[viscid swift]

I mean take the lighthouse ignore the flares

[storm heron]

why though?

isn't reducing enemy eva rate and concealment good

am I missing something

[eager mulch]

i think messing up your ships targeting is worse

[storm heron]

is there some sphagetti code that cause flare to mess up targeting and lower effective dps offsetting the eva rate reduction or?

[eager mulch]

i think so

[storm heron]

or do flares just work both ways

I think I asked this last year as well

[spring bolt]

emmm i can't really remember what's the mess up, usually i just go for light house asap, and flare for boss
if double flare, the other flare for 0 ammo

[boreal nacelle]

is there a reward for 3 star in war archives?

[spring bolt]

no iirc

[viscid swift]

Put simply your BBs start targeting reapir ships instead of the big bad BBs

[sweet delta]

dont repair ships have higher prio than BBs naturally

[viscid swift]

Did they?

[storm heron]

is there a buff from flares/lighthouse that work both ways? like if we take flare our backline also got flared, or if we take lighthouse our frontline got revealed

[viscid swift]

Or was it the issue with flares freezing stealth meters in place

[sweet delta]

1. your main fleet targets the enemies that are flared, which are usually kagerou rammers or elite chibis
2. the enemies that are lit up, if they survive (usually boss or sub), keep the concealment they had before they got flared, keeping them concealed for longer overall

[viscid swift]

Yeah that was it

[sweet delta]

same with lighthouse, it enables enemy submarines to reach your main fleet while still having some concealment. But lighthouse's benefits are overall better than flares

[storm heron]

wait for 2 how did it keep them conceled for longer

[viscid swift]

It freezes their concealment bar in place

[storm heron]

so the bug is they keep the concealment they had before they got flared instead of flare reducing their concealment bars

[viscid swift]

It's not a bug at least i don't think

[sweet delta]

how do you know that's a bug

[eager mulch]

it doesn’t look like a bug (🐞) to me

[viscid swift]

Bear in mind not every thing implemented in this game is an improvement

See Fuze AA guns

It's more likely working as intended just that the intentions don't work out well in reality

[storm heron]

the passive concealment reduction doesn't apply to the flared enemies right

[viscid swift]

Yes

[spring bolt]

did they ever fixed flare bug?

[storm heron]

I guess that makes sense then

their intention was right to light up enemy so they can be killed

[rain hearth]

which dossier should i do (first one)

[storm heron]

but the passive concealment meter reduction doesn't get applied so it's just the same

[viscid swift]

Something like that probably

[viscid swift]

Doesn't really matter

[storm heron]

what does even mean

[rain hearth]

nagato meta has weird skills

i don't know which is decent

[spring bolt]

no i mean, there was bug that once lit up by flare, the flare effect won't go away, is it fixed?

[keen sable]

i can tell you who isn't decent. algm

[viscid swift]

You don't need to pair Nagato META with another META

And none of the dossier metas are particularly standouts

Just tech really

[rain hearth]

and the tech points are useless for research

[storm heron]

yeah sure, but their fleet tech is good

[viscid swift]

I mean their 120 stat bonuses when I say tech

[storm heron]

+1 FP and some kind, if you have 80 of them you get +80 fp, profit

[rain hearth]

i only have a 123 lvl ship
that's unimaginably long end game

[storm heron]

not that long, just 2 years of playtime

[viscid swift]

You'll get there in time

[rain hearth]

oh ok

[sweet delta]

a 3 week f2p new player could have a full fleet of 120s

[keen sable]

then the other 5 shouldn't be far behind

[viscid swift]

You start sooner rather than later

[rain hearth]

no

[keen sable]

and then another 6

[rain hearth]

oil is a thing

[storm heron]

pretty sure he is like using 100% comission uptime, dorm switching and some kind shenanigans

[rain hearth]

yh
all are above lvl 100

[spring bolt]

guys? or it is actully a fix?

[storm heron]

idk man I don't do w14 anymore

[viscid swift]

Well I haven't even heard of it until now so I can't say

[storm heron]

w14 was so complicated that it fried my brain

[gray sphinx]

I’m lowkey struggling to 3 star 14-3 rn and I’m seeing if lowering the threat level helps

[spring bolt]

Well only one way to find out

[keen sable]

it does

[storm heron]

like there should be a w14 mythbuster or somekind

[gray sphinx]

14-3 and 14-4 bouta be safe level by the time I’m done with them

[rain hearth]

i just did 7-4 giggle

[gray sphinx]

You got a longggg way to go lol

[keen sable]

a 123 hard stuck on 7-4

[rain hearth]

yh
and imagine this
i was excited about akashi
and then i hear she is meh

[viscid swift]

Meh would be an understatement

[storm heron]

what should it be, good?

[hollow gust]

she is trash, her healing is so shit shes more like a aa barge, which she also sucks as

[storm heron]

shouldn't that be meh is an overstatement?

nvm Im wrong, I plank corrected

[viscid swift]

Understatement of how bad she is

[spring bolt]

alright it's fixed

[zinc cave]

Repair Ships need a whole rework

[jaunty vault]

thats a tall order

[zinc cave]

Instead we'll get an augment that doesn't improve anything

[storm heron]

how many repair ship power is unicorn's heal? 0.2 or something?

[spring bolt]

akashi aa isn't bad, i mean, that's sandy level aa... it's just they are frail, no surface damage, not enough heal and not enough support make them bad... well that's pretty much everything else

[eager mulch]

how tall

[storm heron]

[spring bolt]

AR's real heal is the 3 emergency repairs, in total 30% fleet hp

[dusk maple]

that's like a 4 years old video right?

[rain hearth]

is there any meta ship that is decent

[stark quiver]

jintsuu meta very gud

[hollow gust]

most of the SR ones are generally good

[rain hearth]

i don't understand nagato healing skill

[opaque gate]

ik it doesnt matter, but is this normal power for a built submarine?

[storm heron]

u guys +13 ing bidders?

[opaque gate]

and is the build good?

[wind hazel]

you don't?

[hollow gust]

its sub torps , u get a shit on

[storm heron]

no wonder my sub weamk

[opaque gate]

what should i change on the build?

[wind hazel]

your build is fine

[rain hearth]

she sounds broken from the skills

[opaque gate]

no need for rainbow oxytorps?

[hollow gust]

she is a pvp ship, wont find her in canpaign much

[storm heron]

yes jin2meta good

[rain hearth]

how is hiryuu meta

[storm heron]

mid

[wind hazel]

most of the time no.

[spark ridge]

U can replace ur purple book gear with rainbow oxytorp if she’s the flag I believe

[stark quiver]

so
you have 3 vanguards (usually)
when the battle starts, a random ship in the fleet gets the "waxing moon buff"
the buff increases the ship's fp and trp stat by 10% max
and when the ship gets healed (somehow), said ship gets an additional 1% of her hp restored also
if nagato meta is still afloat (hopefully) the buff will reapply to another random ship in your vanguard

[rain hearth]

thank you

[opaque gate]

oooh, so hull is for offflag subs only?

[storm heron]

interesting, imagine staggering heals just to take value of this skill

[spark ridge]

Nah hull is an always thing, it’s just u “can” use oxytorp if they’re flag too. I use it bc I like bigger torp number

[barren tapir]

wdym

it's just a small supplementary heal bonus and random vg buff, not really controllable i think

[opaque gate]

i see, thanks

[storm heron]

think about it, how many heals you can done in a battle

[barren tapir]

you can't really stagger heals tho

[storm heron]

perseus have 2

and then we have akashi's crane

[barren tapir]

like toolboxes all proc at once

[storm heron]

and then toolkit, and then robot

[hollow gust]

it 1% , u know how to heal that much?clear the stage faster

[barren tapir]

i would not build around nagato's heal

[amber frost]

on the siren over world map, which spot do I go to restock up on repair kits ? the higher corruption zones is wearing out my main fleets.

[hollow gust]

u dont really restock reapir kits

[barren tapir]

it's just a small bonus

[hollow gust]

u either use healers or go back to port to heal

[barren tapir]

almost 100% of her value comes from her 8000 base damage barrage everything else in her kit is window dressing or self-nerfs

[storm heron]

how can you even ran out of them in the first place, I still remember playing opsi without healers and still got more than enough heals lol

[hollow gust]

cause his fleet is prob pretty terrible

[barren tapir]

either he isnt using a healer, is doing content with low adapts, or has very weak fleets

[amber frost]

please don't troll here, no one asked for that bs.

Really

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

[barren tapir]

also heals are farmable in c1 if you really need more

[hollow gust]

hes just like that, dont bother

[storm heron]

Nah I got humbled I think, the (probably only) one time I laughed people off based on my experience

[barren tapir]

i dont want to talk bad about ppl but that sounds like hurricane dr alright

[stark quiver]

but in all honesty tho
high adapts go a long way
better fleets
usea a healer

[barren tapir]

tbh i only need repair kits in abyssals

[hollow gust]

just go back to port to heal

[barren tapir]

everything else you just go back to port to heal or are kept topped off with uni

[amber frost]

so there is no spots on the siren map to restock up on supplies, is that correct ?

[stark quiver]

port shops, akashi nodes

[ivory pawn]

Ports can sometimes sell a ton.

[hollow gust]

u can buy from akaashi or port , but they run out. Also a massive waste of resources

[storm heron]

but then port shops sell adapts too, might as well just get them instead

[barren tapir]

as i said earlier, they are farmable in c1 if you dont want to spend coins on them

[amber frost]

I checked them, they are not offering it.

[hollow gust]

just heal with from port

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

gotta be that old port shops

[stark quiver]

did u not finish opsi story?

[amber frost]

what's that ?

[barren tapir]

the minmax poverty healing strat is also to use unicorn and when your fleet is low hp, leave whatever you're doing (unless abyssal) and go to c1 and spam it for a couple minutes to fully heal

[stark quiver]

press the globe on top left and tell me if you see a red exclaimation mark

[storm heron]

bottom left?

[hollow gust]

too much work

[wind hazel]

just abuse the free deployment daily for free heal

[stark quiver]

bro said bottom left

[barren tapir]

oh definitely i only do that because i spam c1 anyway

[storm heron]

mb Idk I lack map awareness

[barren tapir]

i only mention it to show there are many ways and options to heal in opsi

[stark quiver]

i dont waste time in c1 bc if i do run out of oil to farm exp, its time for a sanity check and to take a break

[hollow gust]

the heal boxes are one of the worse things to purchase

[stark quiver]

i always use up my healing boxes

[wind hazel]

i use them because i do stronghold under 100 tunings

[hollow gust]

my mob fleet doesnt need it

[wind hazel]

really the only time you should be using them, in normal circumstances

[stark quiver]

my mob fleet always needs healing boxes

[storm heron]

I always use up my ap boxes

[wind hazel]

just use, they don't worth anything anyway

^the heal box

[opaque gate]

do subs only have bullets when called? cuz mine isnt firing anymore after barrage

[hollow gust]

huh?

[storm heron]

not bullets, ammunition

also what is firing and barrage

[zinc cave]

um elaborate

[storm heron]

visualize

[zinc cave]

if i had to guess, they're talking about sub torps when they're called into battle

after the first salvo the reload is fairly long, they do not constantly shoot torps

[opaque gate]

i mean during fights, some subs have barrage. Now, after firing the barrage and some torps, do they just stand there? cause it seems to me that their torps are limited.

ahh, so it is about the reload

[hollow gust]

they are limited by oxygen, once they run out, they surface, fire a few bullets then leave

[storm heron]

yeah sub torp only fires like 2-3 times

so you probably missed them

[thick venture]

What do I buy next

[hollow gust]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[thick venture]

Alright nothing for now ig

[pale wing]

Guys, how's my fleet, tho?
I pust put my first PR ship, St. Louis

[hollow gust]

dont use her until dev30, and unicorn for your last backline

Portland Z23 Helena is fine frontline

[pale wing]

I'll try to reach St. Lous it Dev.30

Yet i have to save my oil to being drained

[sudden sparrow]

Y'all, are the new augments for Room and St. Louis good?

[hollow gust]

sufficient enough

[zenith heron]

So doing Unicorn with Perseus in OpSi mob fleet is alr? It does help me save some Heal boxes for my boss fleets

[hollow gust]

no? you know whats the best way to prevent damage? doing damage

unicorn and percy will just get fucked

[sinful escarp]

even others are fine for just mobbing in opsi. for me i use atelier ryza fleet for mobs and i can clear hidden zones with no problems

[quartz jungle]

4 SSR Ryza is good yeah

But Perseus has very long damage downtime

[zenith heron]

Well I'll be waiting for a better ship to replace Perseus since my Vanguard seems fine with it while FDG too does the job well,

Planning to put my Musashi to Mob once I get my Kear to Dev 30 to replace my support fleet to a Vs Light/Medium CV Boss Fleet

[zenith heron]

Here's context on my weird fleet setup

[bold cove]

Wipe the enemies before it even awake, and unicorn heal at least 1 time every battle

[barren tapir]

i dont do percy

[zenith heron]

I guess time to put back NJ I guess

[barren tapir]

altho with that said im using someone similarly trash dmg to lvl them and clear everything fine

[mellow cape]

Ibuki herself is probably wiping out everything lol

How fast are you clearing?

[barren tapir]

not like opsi is hard the main reason to use an op mob fleet is just efficiency

ruppy and the pink 3 do enough dmg

[mellow cape]

This is what I used to solo clear everything except boss.

Mobbing wise

The other three fleets are boss fleets

[zenith heron]

7-10 seconds minimum then 20 seconds more when the fight staggers

You do guys have a point that its better to have some efficiency now that I think that NJ is a lot more suited than Perseus due to consistency

[rain hearth]

i need help remembering what the hell i am talking about.
i remember seeing a meta ship where hands were reaching out towards the ship

[barren tapir]

pretty sure mine can auto stronghold but im waiting until ruppy is 120 to try

[mellow cape]

7 isn't bad at all lol

[eternal moth]

That sounds more like a question for #al-general

[rain hearth]

too much traffic, no one answered

[zinc cave]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/META

[rain hearth]

did ask

[mellow cape]

Could always check memoir and look at the meta ships

[rain hearth]

not helpful...

[barren tapir]

u can check their art

[zinc cave]

You're welcome.

[eternal moth]

That's the wiki for the META faction, you can check their whole artwork there

[rain hearth]

i did on the wiki
i think it was one of those ones that aren't actual characters yet

[eternal moth]

Then this DEFINITELY isn't a question for GPH

[zinc cave]

What does "reaching out towards the ship" even mean.

[barren tapir]

check memories or the story cutscenes maybe then

[rain hearth]

outstretched hands like from the grave
it was a meta ship

[barren tapir]

do torpedos have absolute cd or is the in game timer correct

[calm rose]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Essex_META#/media/File:Essex_META.png

[barren tapir]

also anyone know what the jamming duration is for torpedos?

[rain hearth]

that's the one!

[zenith heron]

Last before I leave, Can Shimanto stay on Mob fleet? Or should they switch places with Unzen?

[barren tapir]

also, bb guns having abs cd of 0.2 means if i want a 20s rld i want to see 19.8 ingame correct?

[mellow cape]

I thought it was this wrong but I guess I'm wrong

[barren tapir]

[humble iris]

Is fdg good, I feel like I wasted my 10 cubes

[barren tapir]

also, is it justified to +11 an autoloader if i need it for timing adjustment

[zinc cave]

uh bb gun absolute cooldown is like 1.25s actually

[barren tapir]

that's jamming im 90% sure. im talking solo bb cd

im definitely not noticing a 1.25s drift in cm that's for sure

[zinc cave]

you mean if the bb loads multiple salvos like gasco?

[barren tapir]

for context im coping ill be able to make a valiant attempt at cm hard this month

[barren tapir]

no, doesnt every equipment have absolute cooldown? i know dd guns do

and i know planes are 0.03s

[zinc cave]

ooooh

[barren tapir]

i need to ensure a 20.05s bb timer

[zinc cave]

yeah bb guns is 0.2

[storm heron]

yes planes 0.033s

[barren tapir]

do torps have one wiki didnt mention

[storm heron]

bb is 0.15 no?

[zinc cave]

i only remember 0.2

[barren tapir]

wiki said 0.2 for bb, my question there is just if i want 20.05s it should be 19.85s in game right? im using lars calc for figuring what i need to get

i dont remember if in game has it or not

[boreal wagon]

in game does not include any form of jamming, skills nor abscd

[barren tapir]

do you know what torpedo absolute cd is if any, and the jamming?

[storm heron]

ok 0.2 jam

[boreal wagon]

but jamming only matters if ur bhs actually jam

[barren tapir]

im thinking to try and rely on momo's single torp mount (which will auto sync) as assistance if ruppy is blind

[boreal wagon]

i dont think they have and adcd in the same sense and idr

[barren tapir]

but nana will jam her potentially, so i need to account for this

or ig i can use helena but nana has great consistent damage to help break it

[boreal wagon]

the 0.2 isnt jamming its abscd

[storm heron]

do torpedoes even jam?

[barren tapir]

idk, it's hard to tell i see the circle go around quick but it's not instant

[storm heron]

ah bb jam is 1.5s then, 0.15 was numbers

[barren tapir]

just eyeballing it, it looks like 0.5s

[boreal wagon]

i dont think the torp jam const was very significant

but i dont remember better to ask someome deeper into the weeds of the game

[barren tapir]

yeah prolly not an issue, i dont think there will be jamming anyway i just wanted to have the number just in case

[fallow sedge]

Can Helena retro be used for camp

[zinc cave]

She's not that effective

[echo vortex]

When I try to put alsace into my team it says she is in the middle of a special ops where do I end this?

[coarse heron]

That means commission.

[shell willow]

is there any site that provides hitrate calculator?

[echo vortex]

What's the best to level up a ship

[wind hazel]

sortie

[echo vortex]

Repeat sortie a stage?

[sinful escarp]

highest level map you can do with no one dying
preferrably a world with oil cap

also to stop and let them recover morale when sad face shows up

[spark ridge]

if u farm a stage multiple times too, itll make it easier to complete so u can use lower level ships

[spring bolt]

tirpitz 1 fleeting to ch 12, full f2p

[echo vortex]

There are builds for medium armour light armour and heavy armour enemies what's the difference? And which one should I use on alsace?

[zinc cave]

aside for fleet tech, not not really

[zinc cave]

weapons have different armor modifiers

you should be tailoring your equipped gear to the enemies you're likely to combat

[humble solar]

Weapons in game is like weapons in real life. You want to destroy BBs, use AP. You want to destroy DD, use HE, you want all-purpose, use Normal. Then there's the reload times. Check if the ship skill to see which weapon is optimal. For example, for Musashi, her special barrage details is that it fires at every salvo - so you need high speed reload, and it improves when using Sakura Empire equipment (the improvement is considerable), so the purple twin 410 is one of not the best for her

[coarse heron]

Actually, HE is all purpose
99% of normal ammo guns in this game suck

[zinc cave]

introducing the entirely different NormalDR ammo type, new and improved normal!

[barren tapir]

normal only for CA is ok

[zinc cave]

hilarious heavy damage buff

[coarse heron]

I checked and for literally every gun type, Normal is just a worse HE

[barren tapir]

except CA

[frank pulsar]

normal is pretty bad most of the time yea

[barren tapir]

well depends if you mean only pure normal or all normals

[south sequoia]

It's really not that shallow, there's nuance and more complications
like how some cas are light armor, some cls use medium armor
shell types isn't the full picture either since some hulls have guns with bad ammo types

[coarse heron]

there's 5 types of Normal for DD guns for example

[zinc cave]

DD guns have like 5 different variants

Normal++

[coarse heron]

(they all suck compared to HE in terms of modifiers alone)

[barren tapir]

this also doesnt list every one iirc

Normal^

[coarse heron]

yeah, the 2 Tempesta Normals are missing

[storm heron]

normal dd gun good init?

[barren tapir]

the moggun ap is missing

[coarse heron]

for DD it doesn't matter really

[barren tapir]

wdym X

there isnt AP+ 115/90/55 on the chart

[zinc cave]

they dont show modified numbers from a base

[barren tapir]

eh what does that mean

[coarse heron]

bro they literally do wdym

[storm heron]

yeah no moggun's ap

[barren tapir]

so why X

[zinc cave]

too annoying for the table if they list every possible variant of armor modifiers for the same ammo name

[barren tapir]

also the twin137 is missing too but that's bb secondary only so

[spring bolt]

absolutely bad normal shell is only for cl and bb guns, we have good dd and ca guns with normal shell

[barren tapir]

they did it for normal didnt they

[coarse heron]

they listed 5 types of Normal, c'mon man

[zinc cave]

Because of shell speed difference

[barren tapir]

CL

[storm heron]

guess which one is ply's

[barren tapir]

AP+ iirc?

[coarse heron]

there's only 3 CA guns that even have Normal, and 2 of them are Special Normal PR3

[zinc cave]

well actually ignore my argument, i understand the point

[storm heron]

also are the wiki actually exhaustive? I heard a lot of thiings went missing so I just never bothered with it

[barren tapir]

bb has 6 type of ap tho so it's funniest

[coarse heron]

the only thing it's missing from what I've noticed is the updated OpSi shop

[storm heron]

especially the barrage gifs

[barren tapir]

i dont even remember which is champy

[zinc cave]

ap^

[spring bolt]

the classification is pointless, devs change armor mods basically for every new gun, the chart will just keep growing

[ocean fog]

thought on Saint Louis Aug?

[storm heron]

AP%, AP&, AP#, AP!, AP@, ...

[zinc cave]

decent light damage niche

[barren tapir]

AP💀

[coarse heron]

can't wait for AP-BigChungus

[ocean fog]

welp

[storm heron]

so in terms of ply against light single target, how much is sanrui

[barren tapir]

significant dmg increase, she is good light armor dps but there are still better iirc

[storm heron]

half a ply, 3 quarters?

[barren tapir]

sanrui was like 90% of tai yuan iirc?

[coarse heron]

Plymouth has like 60 main gun mounts

[storm heron]

WoW plymouth?

[rapid grail]

any farming fleets for 15-4 for Houston II? since you guys are professional parrots

[barren tapir]

i saw chinese paper numbers at least, but idk if there's been empirical testing

but iirc ppl figured ddgs still better but sanrui ok

[coarse heron]

whatever you can clear 15-4 with

[ocean fog]

which map has a lot of light armor unit? i might as well pull Saint Louis, Belfast and Tindercoga to burn them whole

[storm heron]

good thing I'm just an idot

[barren tapir]

i'm an amateur parrot thank you very much

[storm heron]

no, you don't. Prolly single target boss like helena meta for now

[barren tapir]

sanrui shud be much better than belfast and ticonderoga...

[storm heron]

there was elbing last month, and next month gonna be the light harby, you can test em there

[barren tapir]

well actually ticon is like why bc we have antilight fleet meta already

[ocean fog]

well just for fun, and i dont have much

[barren tapir]

light dps is idk, hinden ddgs mogador and sanrui near/at the top. forgot what else, maybe ply

[ocean fog]

next event is confirmed Iron Blood event right?

[spring bolt]

wichita meta if you can somehow keep that thing low health but not dead without using 3 healers in the back

[storm heron]

omg sanrui 5

[barren tapir]

have some magic numbers

top 4 of the second img is tai yuan > anshan > mogador > chang chun

[storm heron]

the current holder of light dmg

[barren tapir]

well lines up with the magic number

numbers aside ive seen some comparisons and basically she is great but ddg better

[zinc cave]

seems reasonable

[spring bolt]

took me 2 seconds to realize that sanrui is literally Louis IX in CN

[zinc cave]

oh that's the whole chart you brought over

[zinc cave]

maybe 70%

[cobalt rapids]

Maybe like 100% ply

[eager mulch]

gn renhex

[cobalt rapids]

Gn tortle

[storm heron]

that's 6 hours late

[eager mulch]

i just spent the last 20 straight hours writing a 31 page lab report

[storm heron]

that's without ply buff right?

[cobalt rapids]

Ofc

[storm heron]

good thing, I thought sanrui just outright beat ply

[rapid grail]

you're mastering the parrot

[storm heron]

no

more like I'm parroting the master

[rapid grail]

Aight, sure. Sad there's no leveling ships in there

[zinc cave]

sanrui augment beating plymouth on light would be one cracked augment

[cobalt rapids]

Shes matching ply on light and yes its cracked

[zinc cave]

she is?

[cobalt rapids]

Yes

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

sanrui actually cracked, what about ron

[barren tapir]

i mean it's over a 50% dmg boost

[quartz jungle]

Which boss is this, Wichita Meta?

[cobalt rapids]

michita isnt dossiered

[hollow gust]

Roon is a bit boring , also idk what the fuck happened to Drake in this run

[quartz jungle]

Or Helena Meta I mean

[storm heron]

anyways decent aug actually, roon is izumo-level, sanrui is ibuki-level

[barren tapir]

roon is what, german drake now?

[storm heron]

newbs can use sanrui when they can't do ply, just like they can use ibuki when they can't do unzen (niche though, light and heavy)

[zinc cave]

some heavy swings in consistency

[spring bolt]

typical ca rng, shells hit sea quite often

[hollow gust]

CA guns

[zinc cave]

[cobalt rapids]

esp against helmet first phase

[quartz jungle]

Also barrage

[hollow gust]

Which is why I prefer unzen over hinden in almost anything.

[storm heron]

well that was fast

[rain hearth]

accidentally attacked boss with mob fleet
what can i do
this fleet isn't strong enough

[plain saffron]

You can escape boss node

[cobalt rapids]

sometimes you can just retreat the fleet without having it retreat from battle ( idr when you get which one )
if the fleet retreast from battle you either sack a fight and lose some ships and then fight with boss
or you retreat it from battle and fight the boss

[plain saffron]

Only boss node

Iirc the text also different but i don't remember exactly

[zinc cave]

retreat vs. escape iirc

[storm heron]

it's the same as in opsi too, where you can only escape since it is impossible to remove a fleet there

retreat will remove your fleet from the map, escape only remove your fleet from the node you're fighting

[rain hearth]

Thank you!

wait
in op siren, can't i abuse this with perseus to heal again and again

[storm heron]

no, when the battle screen
S/A/B/C is not triggered, your fleet are restored to how it was before battle

this remains true for all battles, I don't think there's any exception

[plain saffron]

If you quit midfight in or outside opsi. It will be like nothing ever happened

[storm heron]

mid-fight?

[rain hearth]

i tried i think op siren and retained damage

[plain saffron]

It doesn't

[storm heron]

the way you can abuse this is on higher chapter where you can make mistake / the random factor screws you, you can restart over and over

[rain hearth]

good to know

[storm heron]

ofc not a good thing to do though since you will stress about it, people rather just leave and grow stronger

[rain hearth]

can anyone tell me which torp bombers have magnetic torps

[coarse heron]

none of them, they're either parallel or converging.

[shell willow]

i dont think any has that

[rain hearth]

my converging miss half the time or more

[coarse heron]

Converging are only supposed to be used if you have a root or a slow.

[barren tapir]

or if the boss has self-stop and you time to it

[zinc cave]

or a prayer

[coarse heron]

Generally, in campaign you only use parallel unless you know what you're doing.

[rain hearth]

root?
i have tried to time their stops. approx 10 s after

[storm heron]

root means ship that can disable enemy movement

[rain hearth]

which one has that
i think i have only seen 30 percent slows