gameplay-help

[hollow sail]

its been more than 400 days and i still don't have her

[atomic abyss]

The difference is that shrop retro is an actually decent ship

[barren tapir]

this discussion is moot if we're using different metrics

[atomic abyss]

Especially given how cheap she is to retro

[hollow gust]

Neptune is just a fun unit for older players, newbies can get anchor and agir

[sweet delta]

Wait til gph finds out Roon aug doubles her ammo mods

[viscid swift]

Wait what

[barren tapir]

when the fuck did i say she was good for new players

[opaque gate]

depot expansion worth buying? or save for dock expansion

[storm heron]

hinden level dps?

[viscid swift]

That changes things a little

[storm heron]

no, just equip spare gears to random (locked) ship

[atomic abyss]

There is absolutely no need for depot expansion when you can dump the stuff onto ships

[soft raft]

always dock
Depot space is basically useless when every ship you have can potentially be more depot space

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[barren tapir]

but again whatever, its a different metric

[hollow sail]

depot expansion exists so you can make a mistake during your purchase (definitely didn't happen to me)

[opaque gate]

is CB/CA aux gun even worth using? if yes, what is like, the best average gun i could put?

[hollow gust]

huh?

[weary gust]

Wdym is it worth using? If they have a gear slot, it's worth using.

[hollow sail]

if slot, gear

[soft raft]

why wouldnt you use the aux slot?
also the specfic gear depends on if they use CL or DD guns for that slot

[opaque gate]

i mean, is the damage from it even worth caring for? or just even shit gun can work

my azuma has dd gun for aux gun

[storm heron]

CA's DD aux 80% efficiency but have almost double the fp

[weary gust]

Depends on how many good guns you have around. Obviously prioritize giving better guns to better ships, but better gun in any slot is better.

[opaque gate]

only 60% for azuma, should i focus on FP or its damage?

[atomic abyss]

The damage is relatively low compared to the main gun but they are extremely important because they are what will help you kill suicide boats and other enemies that maybe too far behind to shoot with main guns

You choose a good DD gun

[storm heron]

good question

[sweet delta]

Why not both?

[atomic abyss]

The best DD guns have high FP stat to begin with

[opaque gate]

fuz some has +25FP but weak alpha dmg, smth like that

[weary gust]

That's an AA gun.

[opaque gate]

twin 127 fine for azuma?

[soft raft]

you dont even know what he's referring to

[weary gust]

The fuze guns?

[opaque gate]

i thought alpha dmg means the 13x4 lol

[soft raft]

1. that's backliner exclusive
2. he probably meant to type cuz

[atomic abyss]

Twin 120
Also give Nagato and Izumo CL secondaries which give more FP

Gold Twin 127 is worse than the purple twin 120 in nearly every regard

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, so twin 120 is good since it has 25FP right?

[soft raft]

Twin 114 > Twin 120 > Twin 127

[atomic abyss]

Higher FP, similar gun damage

Cheaper to upgrade

[opaque gate]

i see, thanks

[mellow cape]

Okay so I have these three cats. Keep rerolling these cats or nah

Sadly no good jiro yet

[storm heron]

nahh wth

[hollow sail]

twin 127mm is actually a lot worse than twin 120mm, not even similar. the ballistics are bad for variety of reasons (shell speed, shell range + firing range being especially bad)

[storm heron]

you know it doesn't help if you don't show the base talent right?

[mellow cape]

Oh shit one sec, yeah these cats were not optimal base cats

And the first one did not have the flame...

[opaque gate]

does twin 127 even have its own niche?

[soft raft]

Submarine gun because who gives a shit about submarine gun damage

[barren tapir]

when you dont have anything better ig

[storm heron]

I would not reroll anything with +20 rld personally

[opaque gate]

ok lol thanks

[mellow cape]

I see I see okay, should I keep investing in cv cats

[barren tapir]

i dunno if i'd feel safe rerolling good but not perfect cats over trying to find a better base and rolling that one. but i'm not a big gambler xd

[ebon marten]

So am I developing any of these pr 1 or 2 now or nah?

[storm heron]

you can try rerolling the one eagle with ace and rookie for extra rld and a chance of flame

otherwise the both bisha's are fine

[mellow cape]

Sounds gooood, let me do that

[atomic abyss]

Go to 2 and start Friederich de Grosse

[stark quiver]

does end screen of normal EX show a score

[ebon marten]

Ok

Well when I have enough iron blood pts lol

[mellow cape]

One last question, I know this bisha isn't maxed but is it worth rerollin

[storm heron]

no

[barren tapir]

hp

[mellow cape]

I'll use her as cat food

[stark quiver]

or just slap it in a random fleet

[storm heron]

waste of 1 talent point, and low reroll chance because one of the slot will always be occupied with health

[mellow cape]

Yostar keeps teasing me with these flame cat

[signal fog]

maintenance in less than 4 hours ?

[viscid swift]

yes

[hollow sail]

i would definitely not reroll either of those bisha, just patience for better base later on

[summer cove]

guys, how do you unlock auto battle for opsi?

[desert tapir]

The Faction for Dec UR is still unknown right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[vale spindle]

Progress opsi story enough

clearing opsi chapter 4 unlocks basically everything from what i recall

[barren tapir]

autosearch unlocks after ch1, strategic after ch4 iirc

[summer cove]

oki

[storm heron]

pretty sure you can autosearch even if you are still clearing, though you can automatically use strategic search to remove all the fog and stuff after completing chapter 4 of OpSi

[barren tapir]

if i have a lot of coin is it worth doing a bit more than 10 bps a day?

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

on second thought, maybe not

[storm heron]

I mean I do 10 + 6 a day so

7 + 3 is too little no?

[stark quiver]

i dont coin
since i have no coins

[vale spindle]

Wiki has a chart on the shipyard wiki page

[plain saffron]

Clear ch2 unlock auto for secured
Ch4 unlock auto for all and strat search

[barren tapir]

actually on second thought probably worth to just save coin

auto is ch1 for explorable and secured*

[hollow sail]

more than 10 just costs way too much imo

[storm heron]

idk I did 16

[plain saffron]

Close enough

[wind hazel]

as long as it's within the discount, it's fair

[still nest]

She's the one I should pick no?

[storm heron]

just lb your shinano if you haven't

[wind hazel]

shinano until mlb>nj/uvh>shima

[stark quiver]

id choose uvh for the rld if nano is mlb

[brittle depot]

if you dont have any then no. shinano is your best bet

[storm heron]

else yeah whatever, it's not like 1lb UR BB can't do 12-4

[stark quiver]

they do have 3 of them

[storm heron]

[brittle depot]

okay nvm. i cant read

[storm heron]

btw momo will stay in the shop till next week right?

[stark quiver]

unless they for some reason scrapped them

[brittle depot]

yes. event shops usually stick around for an extra week

[storm heron]

idk if I will do T5 and SP again

[wind hazel]

it's already maintenance later on

[brittle depot]

Also quick question. Rn im trying to rush to get to chapter 15 but have to get through 14 first. Anyone have a quick auto mob and boss fleet for 14-4?

[storm heron]

oh okay I'll just grab her

[still nest]

Oh I forgot to say that I have mlb NJ, Shinano

Base 3* Shimakaze

[wind hazel]

w15's fleet work for 14 too

[storm heron]

just use your ch15 fleet in w14

hopefully they works

[brittle depot]

i see. dont you use full aa vanguard for w15?

[stark quiver]

said full AA vanguard is also top of the line, so would work in w14

[brittle depot]

for w14 ive been using one tank and two dd's for my mob fleet. im at 14-3 rn

[wind hazel]

most of the vanguard pick for w15 have great to decent asw

[stark quiver]

if u value tech, then u can get uvh and use her at 0lb until 120 for bb rld

[storm heron]

it's not hit?

oh yea I lied

[brittle depot]

huh, i didnt think w15 also had subs. I thought it was like w13 but on steroids

[elfin hollow]

who are some good aa vanguards

[wind hazel]

it's w13+w14

[stark quiver]

w13 hard mode + w14
have fun

[brittle depot]

ah

[stark quiver]

anything in /w15

[spring bolt]

14-3 4, 15-3 4 all have subs in mob so asw is required

[brittle depot]

will do. ill mess around with some fleet comps. currently using breast rn and shes doing wonders so ill see how it goes

[eternal moth]

Do we have a datamine yet?

[viscid swift]

we have mashine translations of the CN datamine several messages back

^ there

[bold stream]

Hello all. Just read from somewhere that roon just got its augment.. anyone knows what it does?

[viscid swift]

we have a rough idea

^

[wind hazel]

it turn Roon from FdG tech to FdG tech

[stark quiver]

fdg tech pro max

[bold stream]

Only for herself? Damn..

[viscid swift]

what

[bold stream]

He dmg boost is only for herself?

[spring bolt]

CN paper number: sanrui gets 60% damage boost against light, 50% overall, roon gets 55% damage boost overall

[viscid swift]

do her ammo mods actually get doubled

[barren tapir]

what was that about roon's doubled ammo mods

[sweet delta]

No

[barren tapir]

well look ok i guess for ppl who like them

[viscid swift]

what does it actually do then because the machine translation is confusing af

[eternal moth]

Thanks. That should make Sanrui pretty competitive on DPS wouldn't it? 2MGM 150% main guns?

[viscid swift]

maybe

[barren tapir]

maybe vs light?

[storm heron]

wait 2? I thought 1 lol

[viscid swift]

not gonna run through the numbers myself

[spring bolt]

not sure if doubled but a good boost is for sure, her dps is now carl level

[eternal moth]

It looks like Roon just gets a barrage and damage steroid for herself from that barrage

[barren tapir]

must be one cracked barrage for +55%

[viscid swift]

that's really impressive actually

[eternal moth]

55% was for Sanrui, not Roon, unless I missed something

[barren tapir]

well she also gets stacking fp with her rld now too

[sweet delta]

I said double ammo mod as a hypothetical that was about as reasonable as gph saying all the new augments are shit or ass

[barren tapir]

and it ends up being a good steroid but it takes time to max

[eternal moth]

Oh no, I guess I did.

[barren tapir]

good augment on shit ship = still shit tho usually

[hollow sail]

challenge mode cooking truly

[eternal moth]

Roon's not a shit ship though

[barren tapir]

roon shud perform better in long engagements ig

[barren tapir]

i didnt say she was i felt the initial preview is a bit underwhelming just due to stack time tho. im referring to houshou

[hollow sail]

it does take quite a long time to max to the point where if the fight's going as long as it takes to max then you're in trouble cuz that means your fleet isn't strong enough

[eternal moth]

Oh.

[barren tapir]

and to be fair compared to meta ships she could be argued to be shit, at least pre-augment

if we wanted to be super metabrained

[hollow sail]

she's a PR1 ship ofc she isn't good at the moment

[spring bolt]

hmmm, seems they unified roon skill armor mod, to drake gun armor mod level, dalao's didn't mention the details

[barren tapir]

[viscid swift]

I just wish they removed the mod changing entirely at this point

[barren tapir]

roon better than drake? common drake L?

[eternal moth]

That explains the damage increase

[barren tapir]

what was her mods before?

and drake gun is 115/115/95 right?

[viscid swift]

pretty much normal AP and HE iirc

which is to say not that impressive

[hollow sail]

the same as roon gun iirc

[forest palm]

what does unified exactly mean....

[barren tapir]

[spring bolt]

AP 75/110/75, HE 135/95/70
roon's og mod

[hollow sail]

i guess it means both HE and AP have same mod

[barren tapir]

should i develop roon then?

[forest palm]

you'll have to eventually for tech

[viscid swift]

I mean if you want to sure

I don't think her overall role in terms of progression changes though at this point

[barren tapir]

oh ca fp nice

[eternal moth]

What's Roon's eHP again?

[viscid swift]

less than Portland

[barren tapir]

96.5%

the eva from her augment will improve that a bit

(since its 15? iirc. over generic augment which has 0)

not a huge gain but its nice can consider her portland level after it i think

[storm heron]

also can a gold retrofit get an augment?

[forest palm]

Saratoga...

[eternal moth]

See starters and Sara

[barren tapir]

even an UR retro can so...

[storm heron]

I see, so eventually Unicorn gonna have one as well

[eternal moth]

York and Exeter have them as well I believe

[barren tapir]

i think percy would get one before uni

[eternal moth]

Unicorn CAN eventually get one, but it's not guaranteed.

[spring bolt]

my impression is still 13-4 days, roon is definitely tankier than portland... CN paper number rates roon more ehp than port due to 16% gun damage reduction from her shield

[storm heron]

due to EoS?

[hollow sail]

most definitely not guaranteed

dev would need to ignore that she's basically the last ship that needs one

[eternal moth]

EoS?

[barren tapir]

there's no guarantee theyll manage to give EVERY ship a unique augment

does anyone know the rate of augment releases vs new ships release

[storm heron]

game closing

[eternal moth]

ok, so it was end of service. She'll probably get one before that, but we'll see.

[hollow sail]

mebot ehp disregards bullet shields entirely because he believed it has a very small impact, personally, no comment on that statement

[storm heron]

ahhh so roon might be tankier than pland

the sheets can indeed lie

[eternal moth]

There are limitations on eHP, yeah

[south sequoia]

The mine for sanrui and roon aug here yet?

[still nest]

So UR can also get retrofit to be SUR

[south sequoia]

No

[storm heron]

machine translated mine

[wind hazel]

not yet*

[eternal moth]

#gameplay-help message

[spring bolt]

yeah i remember than, probably talked with mebot about this but i can't remember clearly
anyway no big deal, devs stop caring about shields as they used to now

[barren tapir]

bullet shields have variable strength imo and would be fight-dependent for ehp gain. dunno if u could average it

[south sequoia]

What abt roon

Did they fix her ammo swap

[barren tapir]

i mean you could average it but it would not be fully reliable

[eternal moth]

Look right below it -.-

[south sequoia]

Ah

I maybe stupid

[storm heron]

pretty sure last time enemy have shields, backlines get obliterated

[south sequoia]

[sweet delta]

Shields are in

[viscid swift]

they pretty much alternate between 5 and 2 new augs every month

[south sequoia]

Ah fuck they kept the ammo swap

[barren tapir]

the ammo swap is just for pierce and burning chance now

[eternal moth]

Yeah, but it seems like they may have changed the armor mods

[barren tapir]

at least the way i understand it. the mods are equalized to 115/115/95 if it's drakegun like was said

[viscid swift]

apparently she now has drake gun armor mods

[south sequoia]

Oh wow

[barren tapir]

which is a pretty good buff isnt it iunno these things

[viscid swift]

it is quite a good upgrade

[south sequoia]

Seems to be

[eternal moth]

Oh yeah, it should be

[hollow sail]

bullet counts

[south sequoia]

Roon was always held back by that ammo swap

[viscid swift]

but not one I like to be honest

[south sequoia]

She was fine everywhere else until you looked over to her dps

[hollow sail]

lemme see if i can find his statement

[barren tapir]

ditch ammo swap and make her ammo capable to both burn and pierce

[south sequoia]

I was honestly expecting it to be voided and they'd make it so roon just hyper boosts a gun depending if it is HE or AP

But oh well

[barren tapir]

would that be bad?

[south sequoia]

Beggars cant be choosers

[barren tapir]

well either way good buff

[viscid swift]

my worry is that this is just gonna be a repeat of history and she'll eventually fall further behind relatively again when better CA guns are released

[hollow sail]

[viscid swift]

not that she's gonna be that relevant anyway but still

[barren tapir]

that's true it prevents her from benefiting from gearcreep as much

[spring bolt]

most CN players are focusing roon's aug name: everyday items, which includes hatchets, mace and torpedo

[barren tapir]

fitting

all the focus on roon though - do we think sanrui might be a gud light dps

[viscid swift]

I don't actually know to be honest, but I don't have too much hope

for one, the DDGs are readily available and Unzen gun is event limited still

[spring bolt]

judging from paper numbers, still lower than ddg and hind with unzen gun+drake gun, close to mog anti light dps

[viscid swift]

not bad then

[spring bolt]

indeed

[south sequoia]

Thats quite impressive

[gusty olive]

How is Roon?

[south sequoia]

What are the chances they get greedy and not give monarch her 100%

[viscid swift]

coin toss tbh still

[south sequoia]

Nice dps upgrade so far

[gusty olive]

Kinda annoying if it does happen lol

[barren tapir]

tbh with al pr1 augments being pretty good and izumo's giving 30% activation chance i think it's more likely than not (hood is also a relevant comparison, as is nelson via her retrofit). nothing's a guarantee, of course

[gusty olive]

She's HMS

[barren tapir]

[viscid swift]

I'm being a bit cynical, there track record with the PR augs as a whole has been excellenet but augs as a whole is yeah...

[spring bolt]

tbh i prefer a 50% damage boost like roon, 100% chance is only important for mob consistency

[warm flax]

Datamine?

[barren tapir]

that's specifically why i mentioned hood and nelson

[gusty olive]

Roon aside, how is Sanrui's augment?

[viscid swift]

so are Hood and Neptune

[hollow sail]

monarch has decent potential imo

[barren tapir]

just cos qe sux doesnt means manjuu doesnt give hms love here and there

[barren tapir]

but neptune bad

[storm heron]

is it okay to discuss what monarch augment could be?

[gusty olive]

hey, don't even lol. she's elite, ofc she's gonna suck

[storm heron]

I was about to, and then I realized her augment is not even out yet

[barren tapir]

meanwhile aurora

[gusty olive]

Is niche

[barren tapir]

and is very good at it

[viscid swift]

she was also Chinese at one point

[hollow sail]

the strongest ship in the game is elite (gloucester)

[barren tapir]

also unicorn

[gusty olive]

She's a retro

[storm heron]

jintsuu black gold or black purple?

[viscid swift]

what

[barren tapir]

is this for out of ammo buff? effective 1.3x dmg to whole fleet?

[storm heron]

SR or SSR?

I mean mintsuu

[viscid swift]

gold

[gusty olive]

My Sanrui and Monarch is sitting in my dock... Maybe their augments might make me want to build them and complete their dev and fate sim.

[barren tapir]

didnt always have one and was still pretty good

[hollow sail]

yes, i like to meme that she's strongest because of that

[eternal moth]

Is this for PvP? If so, see below

[barren tapir]

i mean you're technically correct which is the best kind of correct in her specific niche she is very stronk

[storm heron]

I thought mintsuu purple nvm me

[plain saffron]

Only 2 augment?

[viscid swift]

5

we only care about 2 though

[eternal moth]

What does Houshou's aug do?

[atomic abyss]

Backline healing

[barren tapir]

backline heal

[viscid swift]

gives her some healing abilities

[barren tapir]

i dont suppose it gives her a niche somewhere?

[atomic abyss]

Lol no

[gusty olive]

Warspite CM?

[wind hazel]

more comfortable w12 exp farm

[barren tapir]

no bc she's paper and has no damage

[viscid swift]

I think her HP pool is on the lower side for main fleets

so that's not a good start

[barren tapir]

if her augmented skill had been tied to a ship with actually decent/good stats and loadout it could have been good

[hollow sail]

it's sad that the exp ships don't get a bigger exp boost in their augs instead, that's the only reason to use them anyways bar any of their personal tech

[barren tapir]

but 3.7k hp 6 planes and under 300 avi is a non-starter

[atomic abyss]

Smh give Langley an aug instead

[barren tapir]

hate it when potentially nice augs are wasted on ships beyond help but its good for their commanders who like them still

[spring bolt]

well bis2 is a thing now so gloucester is kinda forgotten...

[hollow sail]

the problem also is that the lower rarity ships also get trash augs by design which... just why. sure you don't have to make the common SR rarity but it doesn't have to be that bad

[gusty olive]

I don't even know who Gloucester is lol

[barren tapir]

she has lower hp than monitors that's genuinely impressive

[gusty olive]

That's kinda a low bar

[barren tapir]

no it means she's straight up possibly the lowest hp main fleet

[gusty olive]

Oh, I misread

[finite gyro]

how do you get the event ship augments?

[gusty olive]

I'm chatting in two channels XD

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

[barren tapir]

yep i checked. she is that makes a skill based on her own hp incredibly laughable

[storm heron]

how good is bogue's and yuubari's? (hopefully it's correct)

[gusty olive]

meme tier?

[stark quiver]

never gonna be used, like the ships themselves

[viscid swift]

she has the lowest HP pool among all CVs, BBs, BCs, and BMs

[barren tapir]

even if they were top tier augments it cant improve a ship from beyond the grave

[viscid swift]

even the reapair ships beat her

[gusty olive]

Wasted augments on never used ships lol rip

[barren tapir]

a ship has to have a hope of being saved to begin with (at least some redeeming factor) for an augment to have a chance at salvaging them

[storm heron]

I see, dang they are just worse than reapair ships, very unfortunate

[sweet delta]

All ships can be saved

[barren tapir]

**realistic chance

[gusty olive]

Is Warspite salvageable?

[plain saffron]

Just give them lucky e

[viscid swift]

both Tempesta main fleets have more than her
she has the lowest base HP pool of any main fleet in the game and they decided to make her healing scale with her own HP and it's exclusively for main fleets....

[sweet delta]

Some augments more than double a ships combat effectiveness

[hollow sail]

i guess they "have" shields but that mebot still saying that they contribute an insignificant amount so that they might as well not have them

[sweet delta]

No, July was still on ehp2 iirc

[storm heron]

divine marksman for all targets would be nice, but that's a cope topic for general

[barren tapir]

obviously a hypothetical augment could give them +100% damage dealt, 3 barrages, a 30% main fleet heal, 50% crit rate, and 40% eva rate, but lets be real

[hollow sail]

as for low hp main fleet, DDG main fleet mode would have less technically

[viscid swift]

oh yeah forgot about them

[barren tapir]

3746 hp

they get +50% in main fleet mode and have 2497 at lvl125

[hollow sail]

chen hai has slightly more hp than houshou but her eva is considerably shittier so she might tank less anyways

[spring bolt]

i still remember the trick using monitors/ARs to tank enemy AP shells, good fun

[barren tapir]

so even ddgs beat houshou

[gusty olive]

Embarrassing lol

[storm heron]

which ap shell

[barren tapir]

plus not to mention, dds have much more hp tech than cvs/cvls

[hollow sail]

right, i forgot about that stat increase

[gusty olive]

Damn, we just stacking Houshou's Ls lol

[barren tapir]

yes of course she is

[barren tapir]

she's still more useful than a whole bunch of ships by technicality, because of her EXP buff

and cv rld

[spring bolt]

iirc some event boss, it was for lulz anyway

[barren tapir]

it's more than someone like bogue who has asw tech

[hollow sail]

i'll have to ask him how much they're contributing now generally

[storm heron]

oh wait that reminds me, is it the hms sagittarius

[barren tapir]

speaking of bogue no one mentioned her augment kekw

[viscid swift]

it's just an additional barrage on launching her airstrike and some other small things

unless they're busted it's not doing much for her

[spring bolt]

no, way before that... probably a 2019 to 2020 thing

[barren tapir]

avi +40, hit +15

barrage on airstrike more or less

[gusty olive]

To be fair... Negligible

[storm heron]

yuubari no mentions too

[barren tapir]

true, then again good barrages like LIs did happen so there is (a little) hope

[viscid swift]

oh and Yuubari's is she get's one of her tools every 20 seconds

[barren tapir]

its not like itll make her usable meta-wise but if it's a great upgrade then at least her fans get to be happy. so it's worth hoping

[hollow sail]

bogue being one rarity down is probably gonna hurt her on that

[barren tapir]

well she retrofits into a rare

[storm heron]

long island retrofits to sr?

[hollow sail]

LI is rare on base

[barren tapir]

i would actually like to see an augment for hermes because there is some (weak) potential there

6 x 140% tbs with assault carrier and she has a barrage

[verbal mulch]

Are any of the ships for this event T0?

[barren tapir]

i am also dumb and admittedly forgot LI has a retro

[storm heron]

yea so she retros to sr or elite

[wind hazel]

she already has a retro, which is elite

[gusty olive]

Imagine increase proc of Assault Carrier

[storm heron]

so it's still one tier down

[barren tapir]

so if she got a super cracked augment you could meme with her at least

same deal for ranger (moreso for ranger actually)

[gusty olive]

Wait... What's that skill Ranger is known for again?

[storm heron]

big r or something

[barren tapir]

combination of quick takeoff and assault carrier

[hollow sail]

she has both of the rng skills

[soft raft]

Quick takeoff

[gusty olive]

Dang

[barren tapir]

and since both have like up to 10 procs allowed in a row or something like that she does have the highest theoretical dmg ceiling

[stark quiver]

nah, infinite procs with infinite computing power and rng

[gusty olive]

If it procs that is lol

Assault Carrier is dmg increase rite?

[barren tapir]

i like hermes more so i hope she gets a cracked augment

[gusty olive]

Or additional launch?

[barren tapir]

maybe her augment can make her do all 3 of her potential barrages on every 20s, and enhance it

[hollow sail]

trying to seriously meme with ranger is a rather fruitless endeavour, there's a reason why devs thought putting both of those skills in a common was fine

[finite gyro]

how do you get the event ship augments?

[storm heron]

where is the aurora message

[stark quiver]

where on earth do you get that sticker

[storm heron]

back to gen

[storm heron]

we should pin this

[barren tapir]

it was like 1 message bro

[wind hazel]

no

[barren tapir]

the event is ending in 2 hours what's the point

[gusty olive]

It's so joever for him

[barren tapir]

also missed this. by what standard?

if by ectl the golds would all fit in t0 according to the current ships in t0 yes

[gusty olive]

They're that good huh?

[barren tapir]

it's worth mentioning that ectl doesnt exactly tier around endgame

[hollow sail]

T0 makes them sound very good but when there are so many options and ships in those tiers it's not as impressive as it may sound when you first hear that

[barren tapir]

t0 is by comparison to other ships in t0 but t0 does not mean all equal, theres quite a large gap sometimes even within tiers (but ectl is ectl)

[storm heron]

they are all T1, we are being conservative ( )

[vale spindle]

done (ish)

[hollow sail]

many of the tierings there are also arguable

[storm heron]

lesgoo aurora got pinned

[stark quiver]

tldr
event ships are not good for endgame, where it matters

[verbal mulch]

Is there any reason at all to collect them other than the fact they won't be coming back.

[stark quiver]

no

[storm heron]

not at all imo

[verbal mulch]

Fantastic

[hollow sail]

some event collab golds aren't likely to end up as meta warping, they are good for what they are though, they're not "disappointing". it's a lot better than the level of unusable shit from the very early collabs

[barren tapir]

with that said uhhh

cn prelims

nana = shimakaze dmg on auto with yuudachi tankiness (note they rate yuudachi over shima for auto)

momo = similar contribution to other support cls, but with high personal dps, reaching about 1000+, summons have nice utility in ch14, and potentially future ch14hm. support is stronger outside campaign, 20s timed loop with team rdps contribution of up to 1700, very strong support but inflexible due to 20s lock. "no top configuration but it can be expected in the future"(?) this is a conservative estimate

lala = support version of drake/kron. more personal damage, less support than momo. strong but vulnerable to powercreep in the future

yami = similar high end gold bbs with small support on medium/heavy armor.

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1005587526334808073 can read here

[red birch]

Right now, how many skins have bonus stickers?

[barren tapir]

i dont see how "upper end of their class for gold rarity" is disappointing

[stark quiver]

there are better options and i like better options

[eternal moth]

What are the chances that AvP and UvH's skins will be made available again?

[barren tapir]

sure and that's fine but that isnt a reason to downplay how good they still are

[storm heron]

definitely right? it's not like they have IP

[hollow sail]

try next black friday

[barren tapir]

they all make B rankings for endgame tierlist for what it's worth good enough to use but not meta defining basically which is a very high rating for golds

[wind hazel]

... isn't that what ren said

[barren tapir]

yes and i wasnt replying to ren

i am supporting what ren said

[wind hazel]

then who are you referring to when you say downplaying them

[stark quiver]

i think it was me

[barren tapir]

alpha, i feel they are being a bit too dismissive just bc they arent 'the best'

[wind hazel]

you werent downplaying them either

[storm heron]

or maybe me, idk just feel attacked

[wind hazel]

options that are better than them is a fact

[barren tapir]

i guess it depends on how you define good for endgame because to me anything B or above is good

[wind hazel]

that is no mean downplaying them lol

[storm heron]

yeah good is supposed to be like a threshold

[barren tapir]

saying theyre not good somewhat implies theyre not strong enough to be used in endgame which isnt true imo

[storm heron]

it's just hard trying to dicretisize ships' power

[wind hazel]

quote who said they aren't good

you're really making this up

[hollow sail]

first of all would need to define what endgame even means

[barren tapir]

yeah it is rather nebulous

but we could do S = amazing, A = great, B = good, C = usable

[barren tapir]

didnt even need to scroll far

[eternal moth]

You really treat that spreadsheet as gospel huh?

[stark quiver]

i see me

[barren tapir]

i do not

[wind hazel]

that's also a fact, you won't see them as meta warping ships

[viscid swift]

That's not down playing that's a fact

[barren tapir]

but i will use other people (who know better than me) opinions to back my viewpoint rather than just say "i think it's this because i said so"

[wind hazel]

not good!=not good for endgame

[barren tapir]

again it depends on how you define good which i guess my definition is more forgiving than others

[storm heron]

not good -> not good for endgame

[hollow sail]

you have to define endgame anyways

[viscid swift]

W15 basically at this point

[barren tapir]

ch14/15 metafight cm harby

[hollow sail]

and what "good" in it really means

[bold cove]

Well, i think new account like me with limited resources, need to focus on really really good ships, if i want to catch up

[stark quiver]

i define endgame as w15, 13h

[viscid swift]

One shooting METAs and Harbiter

[hollow gust]

W13h is not endgame , that shit is easier then w14

[bold cove]

Gears also

[wind hazel]

ehh, 13-4h is equally as hard as 14-4 tbh

[storm heron]

arguable

[barren tapir]

anyway i guess by alpha's standard of good they are not good and that's fine, i understand their criteria better now.

[gusty olive]

QE not good, use it anyways XD

[hollow gust]

As long as your aa wasn't trash then you can get away with a lot more stuff

[barren tapir]

and ill say by my standard they are good and ppl can rate that off my criteria

[wind hazel]

well i mean what does the sheet say about the collab ships?

[undone plover]

Have ppl tested these ships already?
How do you guys know if they are good or not for end game content?

[plain saffron]

By my standard everyone is good

[barren tapir]

like i said, every single one of the golds is at least a B in one category

[gusty olive]

On a serious note doe... w15 setups have 1BB 2CV's right?

[wind hazel]

which category is that

[barren tapir]

could also just consider it 'good for gold'

[wind hazel]

there's a lot of category in the sheet, from ex to w14 mob w15 boss etc

[storm heron]

I trusted they are tested since all those skill books, but idk if stig has explicitly said that

[red birch]

Anyone know How many skins today have bonus stickers?

[viscid swift]

I should say that w14 as a whole is a step down in difficulty from w15

[soft raft]

Yes cuz Suicide boats exist there

[wind hazel]

yeah, and saying she's pretty good in w14 is not the same as pretty good in w15

[viscid swift]

So a b in w14 performance does not carry the same weight necessarily as a b in w15

[bold cove]

Suicide boats with planes hell?

[wind hazel]

at least 2, maybe 3

[soft raft]

Yes
But the suicide boats aren't as bad as W14

[barren tapir]

my personal criteria would consider them 'good but not great or amazing or meta defining' they will perform adequately and not be a deterrent to your success nor instrumental in your failure

[storm heron]

does tentative mean not tested? or does it mean not suchi-tested (cause CN parrot)

[barren tapir]

and its not just suchi's tierlist, cn vibes with my definition of 'good' as well, particularly for momo and lala

[undone plover]

Tentative means subject to change

[barren tapir]

these are prelims and subject to change but i think most people go conservative on prelims... (and cn said for momo it's conservative and already rate her S- (t0.25))

[barren tapir]

suchi mentioned he is overly harsh in tiering for w14 (he tiers by w15 standard of strength) and that if he tiered for w14 a lot more ships would be A and S

[viscid swift]

That is actually being worked on

[viscid swift]

W14 ratings are being reworked

[barren tapir]

yea

[wind hazel]

how do you guys test them

alt accounts?

[stark quiver]

isnt sushi hella good at coding

[undone plover]

Some ppl keep lethal maps for testing

[wind hazel]

ye but some of their ships would be lv125 etc, that would affect how they perform a little bit, no?

[barren tapir]

there is also this

[wind hazel]

emulation?

[storm heron]

mikasa

[plain saffron]

For this event limited stiff Just all augment in lala minigame and aux in shop right?

[plain saffron]

The answer is always AI

[barren tapir]

a rating on it means they have some sort of value at least

[wind hazel]

le hackers

[plain saffron]

Also help i haven't done anything yet

[storm heron]

yes you should have gotten them given normal play

[barren tapir]

ofc, a C is greatly overshadowed by all above it so one can consider it, "good" in a vacuum and "bad" relative to A and S ships. how's that sound?

[undone plover]

That is a good point
I guess u can extrapolate the difference
And most ppl 125 cracked ships anyway so shouldnt change the “tier” for those ships I think

[wind hazel]

just click them and do whatever they tell you to

[plain saffron]

I want to speedrun so i need to know first

[stark quiver]

good luck nagami

[storm heron]

it's not like you can't do T1 in 80 minutes

[plain saffron]

So just these?

[undone plover]

Calling these collab ships good shouldn’t be controversial
They are better than most non UR ships we have got since last year

[hollow sail]

well this was a rather large detour to argue about semantics to which the bottom line is basically "the hardest campaign content in this game is AA biased and elsewhere the "endgame" is oneshot bossing fleets dominated by URs and like 3 established buffers/debuffers so some event golds are pretty much never gonna be "good" enough for that"

[plain saffron]

So done lala minigame, just need to spam farm until maint

[barren tapir]

true and fair

on the other hand, while that is the most important thing to look at, it isnt very helpful if you want to know the relative strength of any ship that isnt in those fixed meta fleets since theyre all equally 'bad' for not making a slot/being meta defining

[storm heron]

there are 2 rara minigame

[eternal moth]

I'd prefer we rank things based on how useful they are for newer players, personally

[crisp raven]

if you also want the trophy, 1 of the unlock pieces requires a t5 clear, and another requires 60 event clears. i dont know if HELPs count or not for this, so haul ass if youre aiming for the trophy too.

[storm heron]

but worthness is subjective matter

[wind hazel]

to new players they are all great if they have unlimited gold bulin

[barren tapir]

well then collab ships are D tier by accessibility and lack of tech easy ranking

[frank pulsar]

thats just how the meta is, the gap between meta and non-meta is just that big
you can just roughly guess how good a ship is with ectl or that one cn tl i forgot the name of

[wind hazel]

also at the same time: new players don't have cube, gg no pull, all trash

[storm heron]

it's nga or something

[sweet delta]

there are many azulen hackers, including some big names. But I am not one of them

[eternal moth]

Oh, then in that case everything except URs are complete trash, so no need to pull except to get to pity. Got it.

[storm heron]

but tech

[barren tapir]

that's actually how some ppl treat the game i cant say you're wrong if you think that, if that is what matters to you

[wind hazel]

that is legit the current standing, unfortunately

[storm heron]

imo new player should always prioritize getting stronger ship until they can comfortably beat the healing abyssals, and then the only ship matter will be tech ships and absolute URs

[wind hazel]

would you recommend a new player to pull this collab with 100 cubes or no? with the impending UR

[hollow gust]

what do you expect when URs are leagues better....

[sweet delta]

i would tell the new player their options and consequences and let them decide

[barren tapir]

well, thats why i responded to uhh the original person ranking them according to who ectl has put into t0 (and most of those aren't meta ships) and it vibed with cn tierlist as well.

[storm heron]

who needs fdg when you can beat healing abyssals without spending 50 AP

[barren tapir]

of course not, only for collection.

well then collab ships are D tier by accessibility and lack of tech easy ranking

[wind hazel]

right? it all boils down to FOMO vs UR

[barren tapir]

well actually everyone but momo D tier and momo B or A tier cos she's free (ish) from the shop

[gusty olive]

Random thing...

When I did Harbiter last month...

My Fleet 4 who have

Enty, Kearsarge, Saratoga, Guam, Sirius, KirovM

Dealt worse damage than

Nageta, QETA, Modney, Ancho, Sandy, KirovM...

Is it because of the arbiter being Medium armored?

[barren tapir]

(momo best collab ship)

[sweet delta]

no, it's because of a 20s barrier

[frank pulsar]

this month arbiter is the hardest variant, not yr fault if you cant kill it

[stark quiver]

mfw imron gets first

[storm heron]

huh isn't the last one hardest?

[sweet delta]

delulu novembersoup

[frank pulsar]

but ye the barrier just completely fks with cv since most of them launch arnd 22s

[stark quiver]

this month is easy
last month was hard

[frank pulsar]

i didnt realise it was dec wtf

[wind hazel]

it's november 35th

[gusty olive]

So... The current fleet (one with Kearsarge) is better than the old now (one with METAs)?

[frank pulsar]

just manual to avoid shield if using cv

[undone plover]

Is your kear dev30?

[gusty olive]

I manualed back then, still shit dmg

[storm heron]

idk, not if you use wrong planes and stuff

[frank pulsar]

uh gear issue or limit break issue or level issue then

[gusty olive]

Yes

Might be equips, so I might ask for equipment recommendations, as well as who am I gonna replace Saratoga with

[undone plover]

Well you dont have a slower/stopper on the cv fleet
Replace sara with AvP/implacable
or put retro eldridge in van
And make sure u gear them properly and manual properly

[static harbor]

How do I uncross swimsuit Shinano legs? No matter where I tap nothing works

[gusty olive]

Oh, should I put AvP alongside them in place of Saratoga? Or put AvP alongside Shinano and AmagiCV?

[hollow gust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/16oib8c/all_shinano_swimsuit_l2d_unique_interactions/

[gusty olive]

I have no Implac, so she's pretty much my only consistent stopper

[undone plover]

Hmmm I would keep with nano amagi tbh
That is the stronger fleet
Esp this month since harbiter is heavy armor

[eternal moth]

Amagi, Shinano, AvP should be good, unless you use Eldridge instead.

[static harbor]

Thanks

[gusty olive]

I have Eldridge in that fleet as well so... Should I move that on the one with Kearsarge?

she is somehow the tank

[undone plover]

Do u have hakuryuu dev30?

[eternal moth]

You don't need Eld and AvP in the same fleet

[storm heron]

yes eld can tank

[static harbor]

Are you kidding me, tapping her hair uncross the legs

[storm heron]

what is tis leg convo

[eternal moth]

#al-general

[barren tapir]

[gusty olive]

I guess I'll boot KirovM out then place... Laffii in where Eldridge was been

[static harbor]

Yah yah, but thanks again for the reddit link

[finite gyro]

how do you get the event equipment?

[gusty olive]

Guam remains in front ig? Idk about timing her armor break doe

[storm heron]

the rare few times a reddit post is referred herre, usually we hate reddit

[stark quiver]

help me miss lala minigame

[eternal moth]

Guam doesn't get an armor break in a CV fleet

[gusty olive]

Kearsarge is there

[undone plover]

I would put guam in amagi fleet
Her cross does more for kear fleet
Put eldridge and laffey in kear fleet

[gusty olive]

Guam fucking dies... jk

[undone plover]

U need 3 IJN for shinano buff so make sure u have someone else to enable her
Kazagumo is the obvious choice

[gusty olive]

Here's the composition ig?

I still need to turn AvP to lv120

[undone plover]

Switch guam and eldridge and looks good
AvP can replace saratoga but tbh sara is probably better vs heavy
So can just keep like this

[storm heron]

guam ab only proc if bb top right

[sweet delta]

yuubari augment does a boatload of prototypes every 20s, not just 1 random one

[storm heron]

what about kearsarge top, will guam ab proc?

[gusty olive]

The skill desc says so...

[hollow gust]

Guam Kazegumo Unzen
Laffey sirius elridge

[gusty olive]

Problem is timing BB shots to plane launches

[hollow gust]

or you put aurora in eagle and then ditch unzen for sirius

[plain saffron]

Adjust fleet tech

[undone plover]

Guam giving 10% acc to kear enty and sara is more dmg than 8% shelling dmg to kear

[gusty olive]

When is the fast skill book end?

[hollow gust]

put guam where you need conceal, doesnt matter what kind of skills u put into your CVs if they are always revealed

[storm heron]

next week

[gusty olive]

Guess I can still max Saratoga's skill kekw

[storm heron]

what should I do if I don't have the TLR torp bomber skin?

[gusty olive]

Giga oof

[sweet delta]

account bricked

[eternal moth]

Hope that you have enough to get the skin chooser?

[crisp raven]

you can use this menu and tap on the gear, furniture and aug tabs to make sure you got everything. go fast. 1 hour left

[storm heron]

omg I'm so cooked for not doing t5

[little tree]

~~ Do i taint my F2P account with the Limited skins ~~

[gusty olive]

As for gear

[storm heron]

I'll use my last 100k oil for this last hour

[gusty olive]

What to put on Kear, Enty, and Sara? (Do I keep Sara?)

[sweet delta]

something something roon trash

[storm heron]

how strong is sara hvar double skyraider against light

[undone plover]

This month is heavy armor
I would keep sara unless u have other strong CVs

[eager mulch]

somebody with a Belfast pfp told me there would be datamine

[little tree]

must be a scammer

[gusty olive]

Not like I have anything to put anyways besides what... Ark (Retro or META)

[eager mulch]

Doesn’t matter anyways, got muted in ectl for a week

[undone plover]

Ark retro is in amagi fleet no?
Keep sara where she is
U want flapjack for fighter slots and converging TBs for flex slots
And twin 457 on kear

[little tree]

you or cheeky?

[eager mulch]

me (i asked for it)

[gusty olive]

Ark Retro would be replaced by AVP as soon as she reaches lv120

[storm heron]

what about here, can I ask for a mute if I want to?

[little tree]

~~ Turtle should i give in and buy collab skins ~~

[lethal escarp]

What is the fastest way to grind Energy Fragments? Is it my highest world map or T5?

[storm heron]

energy fragments?

[undone plover]

Then ark royal can replace sara sure
She is good vs heavy

[storm heron]

you mean the event points?

[gusty olive]

Probably need equipment suggestion too

[lethal escarp]

The green stuff for the 7 days.

[storm heron]

nahh who play like this 💀

[plain saffron]

Shop stays for another week right

[plain saffron]

I do for a while

[storm heron]

replace the bf109g in enty and kear for a fighter with bombs

[hollow gust]

?????

[storm heron]

this arbiter is heavy

so bf109g will suffer

[undone plover]

And flag enty so eldridge slow procs with her strike
Not kear salvo

[plain saffron]

I personally just keep it bcs cba to change back and use other fleet instead

[gusty olive]

I'm last minute grinding event lol

[sinful escarp]

is there a recommended equipment for support fleet?

[storm heron]

dump the btd destroyer that Sara is using, use helldiver instead

[stark quiver]

2 flapjacks + wyvern for rich people

[sinful escarp]

for the aux?

[plain saffron]

Avi aux

[storm heron]

full catas

[sinful escarp]

gotcha, thanks

[hollow gust]

Just flapjack + FW every CV

[gusty olive]

Should probably open more hold IJN boxes lol

[storm heron]

note that you can use 2 of the skyrockets, purple fockewolf, and flapjacks

[gusty olive]

Ark is better than Sara on that fleet right?

[storm heron]

yeah but ark is enabling the other fleet, which is better for heavy armor

[gusty olive]

Where do I really put AVP then?

[storm heron]

Oh sorry, I thought you have ark with them IJN CVs instead of avp, yes yes use ark in lieu of saratoga and keep avp there

then yes ark is better than saratoga in that case

[eternal moth]

AvP > Ark any time you need a stop/slow

[hollow gust]

Not for this month

[storm heron]

ark is just very powerful for single target heavy armor

[mellow cape]

Any clue yet what the maintenance is for

[hollow gust]

Ark damage against heavy has always been stronger then Avp. That's the more important part this month. Consistency is for people who actually have damage output

[eternal moth]

Read patch notes in-game or at #game-news

[mellow cape]

Oh just augments?

Not too bad, was expecting york

[hollow gust]

Why would they put a UR rerun between a major event and UR event

[eternal moth]

They did it with Nanners

[storm heron]

york retro augment has yet to come

[eternal moth]

I wouldn't mind seeing an aug for DoY though

[storm heron]

cad spotted

[rocky fjord]

what's error 5 when downloading assets on initial downloads

[gusty olive]

Imagine... Ark Augment

[eternal moth]

It's either bad connection or you need to update in play store, I don't remember

[rocky fjord]

i literally just downloaded from playstore, hm

[hollow gust]

Why use Ark even if she gets augment

[eternal moth]

Check again, when I got a new phone it installed the app but I had to completely re-install, as it didn't download completely

[zenith heron]

I know this is a stupid/useless question but, which UR Equipment is the least usable? The Z Flag or something else?

[eternal moth]

Z flag probably, yeah

Or maybe that sub torp that nobody uses

[zenith heron]

Bcs there is no way someone recommends me the Z flag more than the Shells

[wind hazel]

they trolling

unless?

[gusty olive]

Seriously, where are you getting your fucking info lol

[zenith heron]

Just ignore it for now... I am literally questioning myself

[storm heron]

z flag
quint mags
oxygen sub torp (?)
quint 610 (?)

[eternal moth]

Quint torp at least has some uses

[zenith heron]

Its a niche upgrade

[hollow gust]

Theres shit like 460, how magnetic 2nd

[plain saffron]

It's rainbow so must be good

[tame jungle]

Rainbow quint still has uses
Same with subtorp if the boss is standing still

[rocky fjord]

Im failing to downlod all the painting files

[storm heron]

do people actually do comission like buoy inspection and frontier defense patrol (the urgent comission that gives coins cogs little oil and qf)

[rocky fjord]

oh well, no augments for me

[storm heron]

my condolences

[hollow gust]

The ships are actually half decent

Just get someone else to login

[zenith heron]

Isn't that the one that needs lvl 100 ones?

[storm heron]

no that's dse

[mellow cape]

I meant rerun LOL not Aug

[eternal moth]

Clear cache, uninstall, and then reinstall if you have the time.

[mellow cape]

A modern ur Aug would be kinda crazy

[real jasper]

we have no new banner after maintainance right?

[storm heron]

???

[eternal moth]

Sorry, that should have been for @rocky fjord

[storm heron]

you were not clear at first, I thought you are referring to hms york

[mellow cape]

My bad fren c:

[rocky fjord]

is it just the usual T1 stuff

[rocky fjord]

yea some other day

[hollow gust]

There is copium that some of them match Drake , take that as you will

[rocky fjord]

no biggie for me

[storm heron]

pretty sure Cad is a player with like max tech

[spring bolt]

~~well drake isn't a high bar anyway, matching her doesn't make a ship top tier ~~

[eternal moth]

They're being considered near top of gold power level

[fair musk]

how to solve this

[storm heron]

tap title 5 times

[hollow gust]

Shes tex, so better then her means better then 95% of CAs

[deep solstice]

if i have both musashi and amagi cv, do i go for shinano from the selector UR or do i go for someone else?

[storm heron]

isn't she otw to t0?

[hollow gust]

Shinano is the only one not powercreeped

[eternal moth]

Shinano should be most important, and get her to MLB before getting anyone else

[fiery swan]

is there datamine on new aug yet

[spring bolt]

drake tex is a very good joke, thanks

[fair musk]

ty

[eternal moth]

There's no pin yet

[fiery swan]

i mean the ones that were announced yesterday

[storm heron]

mfw my bad

it is up there, you can search neptune aug or something

[eternal moth]

#gameplay-help message

Ok, since the module development special is only a week, does that make it more likely the CtA is going to start next week?

[plain saffron]

Didn't jp said when cta is

[eternal moth]

It just said next maintenance.

[plain saffron]

Probably next week then

[eternal moth]

If there's no maint next week then it would be the week after

[storm heron]

hi, legit question, I ran T5 9 times now, but haven't gotten any gear skin

[plain saffron]

Rng

[storm heron]

[pastel cloak]

Is it already known who we fet after nagato meta since she is ending soon?

[plain saffron]

Who

[eternal moth]

I assume that'll be announced in the next livestream, the one that announces the UR

[thick venture]

how rare are rainbow gear prints in research
ive been focusing them for 3 weeks and only got 1

[storm heron]

#gameplay-help message

[thick venture]

oh well

[atomic abyss]

It's rng

[pastel cloak]

So we wont have a new raid for around like 2 weeks then?

[atomic abyss]

We'll only get one when Nagato ends

[pastel cloak]

Shouldnt that be next week?

Well guess just wait then
They probably gonna show then in the next few days

[eternal moth]

Oh yeah, I guess it should have been announced by now. Weird.

[atomic abyss]

12 December is the last day

Expect it to be announced in the coming days then

[thick venture]

why q4h>q2h>q1h ?

[pastel cloak]

Ok
Thanks

[eternal moth]

Most likely either Thursday or Friday, yeah.

[storm heron]

gear focus, given that gear is significantly more important than ship

[golden moth]

Will this be the announcement of call to arms?or the UR event itself

[atomic abyss]

CTA is announced to start next week in JP

[rocky tapir]

where do I get the commerative medall?

[atomic abyss]

So we shd get both the CTA and the new meta

[thick venture]

i read somewhere that q1h is better

[golden moth]

Ok ook ohhh hoho thanks for thiss

[eternal moth]

That's the last day of the current META fight, so we should be getting an announcement about it before then, unless they want it to be a surprise

[atomic abyss]

You complete all the other objectives

[sharp echo]

All skins only can purchased with gem ?

[atomic abyss]

Get the 6 chips here from other missions and you get the medal

[pastel cloak]

If they want a suprise it probably will be something big like enterprise, takao or richard

[eternal moth]

Not necessarily.

[atomic abyss]

There are free skins occasionally
But the large majority are paid

[storm heron]

I think you need to run T5 60 times for the medal

[rocky tapir]

thanks

[sharp echo]

So f2p only can cope?

[atomic abyss]

Obviously

Unless you intend to sacrifice your collection/qol

[storm heron]

what was it called, beggers can't choose or smth

[bold cove]

I start focus on pr5, mostly pick G research, ply pick up, rarely pick Q. I got 202 plymouth blueprints and 41 ply gun part till now

[thick venture]

im good on ships i just need gear lol

[eternal moth]

Beggars can't be choosers

[eternal moth]

Skins are, as far as I know, their main source of income, so yeah

[bold cove]

So pick Q research, but i got rainbow gear part mostly from G research, thats wierd

[storm heron]

variations do be like that yeah

[static harbor]

Missed the event lol, was there any gear worth getting?

[atomic abyss]

Quite a bit actually

[static harbor]

I thought I had an extra hour

[storm heron]

I forgot the auxes

[static harbor]

Daylight savings

[atomic abyss]

Some decent auxes

[storm heron]

just do it quickly

press the title 5 times, press back as soon as you load to the bomb game

[static harbor]

Wut

I mainly missed these last buts and golden slash

That uhhh, giant enemy thing sounds kinda busted no? For bossing

[atomic abyss]

That's Nana's augment iirc

[atomic abyss]

No

[storm heron]

no that's not nana's aug

[eternal moth]

Neither of those are augments. They're both auxes

[storm heron]

nana's aug is the claw

[rocky tapir]

Oh wait. I don't think I claim these. RIP.

[quartz jungle]

The last one is the 550 HP one

[rocky tapir]

Procrastination Lane

[static harbor]

Well is there anything important I've missed if I like 3 years of AL under my belt

[eternal moth]

Auxes and ships that will probably never rerun

[static harbor]

Ah....meh I'll live

Unless some of those gear/auxes are like, OP

[stark quiver]

The prowler is really good

[static harbor]

I speak in pictures my brotha

[eternal moth]

Prowler?

[static harbor]

Ah, Sneaky Stealthy Prowler

[storm heron]

:prowlermiles:

goodnight ty alpha and gph : >

[barren tapir]

none if u dont care abt the ships. eva aux and dd fp aux the main highlight i spose

[brittle depot]

... me not spending 10 mins trying to figure it out

[barren tapir]

[static harbor]

Ah ok then I'm good

[opaque galleon]

Datamine for the new augments drop yet?

[storm heron]

bro literally had 6 minutes

[storm heron]

[quartz jungle]

Only the ones TLed from CN, no sheet yet

[storm heron]

still on drama or smth huh...

[brittle depot]

thats rough, buddy

[barren tapir]

yeah uh summary is like

sanrui 20% main gun efficiency 15% to light/medium barrage every 15s 20% crit rate
roon barrage every 20s, rld stacks give fp too now, improved ammo mods, keeps ammo switching (average mods drakegun)

bogue meh barrage on airstrike, enemies hit 3x get attacked again with guaranteed crit

houshou heals backline for 3.5% of her hp up to 3 times on airstrike

yuubari activates her gimmicky stuff every 20s

smth like this, for more details see um the linked post, scroll up+down

i might've also missed something

[quartz jungle]

Bogue can theoritically continually refresh her barrage IIRC

[barren tapir]

cn paper calc is sanrui dmg +60% on light and +50% overall and roon +55% overall

[eternal moth]

So she's RNGer 2.0 now?

[brittle depot]

the houshou augment isn't that bad then. if you exp farm on 12-1 you might not need to bring a healer and have another cv to farm

[barren tapir]

dunno about that, but all enemies that get hit 3 times get the bigger crit baseball bonk

[barren tapir]

i mean it's not nothing but idk how useful itll be when she has the lowest hp of any backline and heals based on her hp. it's also only a backline heal

[brittle depot]

yeah...

[lunar epoch]

skins not coming back right?

the to love ru skins?

[barren tapir]

also wait i didnt get houshous properly

[quartz jungle]

Yeah, unless said guranteed crit baseballs are unable to trigger the crit baseball barrage

[plain saffron]

Very likely doesn't come back yeah

[eternal moth]

Technically DDGs have less HP than Houshou, but you don't really want to run them in the back line anyway.

[brittle depot]

this is why i mostly exp farm using event maps bc i never need a healer for the mod fleet on the D4 (or highest difficulty stage)

[vale spindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OAOisRX9yeE9VrfiLY3nOHIkltJ91QUEJLOpy1cv5hE/edit?gid=0#gid=0 12/5 datamine (more PR1 Augments yay!)

[atomic abyss]

Edit your message later

[barren tapir]

(addition to the base skill): on airstrike launch, increase other cv/l's accuracy by 15% for 8 seconds, and over the next 3 seconds, heal 3 times for 3.5% of houshou's max hp to the backline ship with the lowest current hp%, and if the target healed is a cv/l, fires a barrage and doubles that heal instance

[vale spindle]

is it cv/l or only cv

[plain saffron]

What's the answer. Why landing page have the question.i nedd the answer

[atomic abyss]

Shd be both

[barren tapir]

the original skill is cv/l so i THINK it shud be both

[atomic abyss]

Unless 🍝

[barren tapir]

we'll have to see

but its better than i originall thought, still not good enough given how uhhh her stats and everything is but nice bonus when using her to boost exp i spose?

[vale spindle]

ur right its both

[bold cove]

So no event to grind in this update, i guess something big is coming

[barren tapir]

finally a breather!

[sinful escarp]

nah, we usually get breaks after an event

[tame jungle]

No more b2b! Yay!

[plain saffron]

No event, dead gaem

[eternal moth]

Ur in 3 weeks

[plain saffron]

Or 2

[barren tapir]

3 weeks? wasnt it theorized as 2

[stark quiver]

Dead week?

[tame jungle]

Or 🔮

[barren tapir]

actually, could be either

[eternal moth]

Yeah, i guess it would be 2. CTA starting next week

[plain saffron]

Actually it's tomorrow

[barren tapir]

the only guarantee is it isnt 1 week later because no cta

[barren tapir]

the first in what feels like forever to me somehow

[stark quiver]

Time to grind polaris

[eternal moth]

Why Polaris?

[barren tapir]

tbh i shud too

cosmic kicks costs 16020 without some low oil bs

anything else worth farming in deadge week? or can i relax

[stark quiver]

Cosmic kicks, and I want more than one speed aux

[barren tapir]

for me its just cope rudder until i get more need more

[blissful hamlet]

any of the new aug op?

[eternal moth]

Sanrui and Roon's are both really good. +50% DPS to each ship

[blissful hamlet]

hosho is unicorn killer

[grizzled sundial]

Roon augment do anything to her ammo switch skill ?

[eternal moth]

It makes the armor mods equal to Drake gun, and adds FP to the RLD portion

[grizzled sundial]

I dun get about drake gun , dont have it or her yet .

[eternal moth]

It makes the armor mods the same for each portion, and makes them much better

[barren tapir]

nice meme

[barren tapir]

averaged armor mods between the two = drakegun, not exactly drakegun (the mods still change)

[eternal moth]

... then what are the new mods?

[barren tapir]

145/100/80 HE, 85/130/110 AP

averages to 115/115/95 = drakegun

[grizzled sundial]

Hmm , seems better at med armor.

[eternal moth]

That's the new one

[barren tapir]

idk what old is but it was definitely buffed

[spring bolt]

old is 75/110/75, 135/95/70

[mellow cape]

No longer pink aurora? :0

[barren tapir]

average being 105/102.5/72.5 so big improvement

[grizzled sundial]

This is with the Roon gun ?

[weak shell]

20s barrage that amp her damage to target, ramping FP as well, better mods on ammo

[vestal glen]

When do we usually get news about the new event?

[boreal wagon]

a week before it happens

[weak shell]

btw nagami, roon aug ramp FP as well, fix on sheet ty

[plain saffron]

Noted, thanks

[vestal glen]

Btw this is a dumb question, but is it usually smart to be going for UR even though i am new player? Because i only have 80 cubes and 60k coins ish and dk if i can get UR

[weak shell]

you can build only on limited banners and eventually you will build enough for the 400 cubes perma UR pity

[eternal moth]

Just save as many cubes as you can. You need 400 cubes for pity, but most of the time you won't need that many.

[vestal glen]

Wait does pity build even if we are stacking on limited banner?

[weak shell]

other than UR banners, yes

[vestal glen]

Well thats sad

[weak shell]

I forgot if it applies to rerun UR banners or not tho, but defi for non-UR banners, building on them will accumulate pity even with free tickets

[plain saffron]

Like this right

[weak shell]

yes ty

maybe add the buffed mods too but you don't have to

[plain saffron]

What's the new number

[weak shell]

HE: 145%/100%/80%
AP: 85%/130%/110%

[plain saffron]

I didn't have time to dig today so it's just from scripts

[weak shell]

or
HE: 1.45/1/0.8
AP: 0.85/1.3/1.1

[plain saffron]

% easier to understand

[vestal glen]

So is it better to go for limited UR banner or just go for non-UR banner?

[weak shell]

you want to build on every new banners anyways so I don't think it's a concern

[vestal glen]

I doubt 40 is enough for anything

[vestal glen]

I see, alright thanks

[obsidian ivy]

How much oil do I roughly need to 3 star w15?

[plain saffron]

Idk how to insert break line in mobile so that will do

[weak shell]

uhh I think it's safe to set aside like around 10-15k oil if you want to do it all in one go

[sharp socket]

it took me about 15k oil for w14 so uh about there?

[weak shell]

ok w14 defi did not cost me 15k to 3* so I can't relate

[obsidian ivy]

Did you guys get it to safe before doing the kill all mobs one?

[weak shell]

no but if you find it too hard, you can

[obsidian ivy]

👌

[weak shell]

I'd rather just manual a bit if required

I just find w15 annoying, much more than w14

[sharp socket]

yeah cause its unnecessarily difficult to 3 star lethal

[obsidian ivy]

Guess I'll see how it goes

[weak shell]

the only hard thing for me is actually get my fone not to brick

game so poorly optimized, my frame crash to a slideshow, my fone burns like a heated brick

[sharp socket]

w15 plane hell experience

[weak shell]

w15 is far worse cause it's not just the enemy planes but your planes as well

since you effectively have 3 extra CVs throwing their fighters on cd

[plain saffron]

Can't wait for w16

[weak shell]

I'd rather have a fleet of subs under me than planes that literally covers the sky

[real jasper]

Now there are new aug after update, will they be good?

[hollow gust]

Considering we get 1 gold asw , doubt that

[sweet delta]

New augments in ENDgame tiering
Saint: HArb/CM D->B* tier; CM/w14Mob D->C tier; LDmg 3->5; MDmg 1->3; AoEDmg 1->2.
Roon: META/CM/w14 D->C tier; All Dmg 1->2; Self Survival 2->3; Gear Req -1 (it should have been -3 before).
Yuubari: Defense Buff 0->1. Smoke, shield, and shit ton of barrages. Almost doubles her damage, but still below 2 in Dmg.
Houshou: Other Main defense +2.
Bogue: Flag Req -2. Greatly improved damage but not enough to show on this tier list.

[sweet delta]

In 👴 language that's Saint worse than DDGs, Roon worse than CBs, Yuubari looks very fun, Bogue and Houshou lol

[sharp socket]

saint louis damage CA?

[zinc cave]

Oh nice, that's a insanely strong L/M buff Sanrui got

and I see they refuse to rectify the ammo swap on Roon

[sharp socket]

is she going to do more damage than takao/balti vs light/med or requires testing

[coarse heron]

Roon goes from bad to still bad
many such cases

[bold cove]

Well at least i can use Sanrui for brest, bayern combat data

[zinc cave]

probably higher than both

150% main efficiency is a bit cracked

[sharp socket]

epic i have 4th fleet options

i wanna cook something beautiful for my 4th fleet opsi lacking rainbow spam which are in the other 3 fleets

[zinc cave]

Iris fleets if they didnt take 10 years to get through all the preloads at the start of each and every fight

[sharp socket]

ideally i would run a russian fleet but theyre too good so theyre in the other fleets

[strange sphinx]

what's the server maintenance all about?

[plain saffron]

https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1864278480797765869

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN) on X

Dear Commander,

Headquarters will carry out maintenance on 12/5, 12:00 A.M. (UTC-7) for approximately 6 hours. Highlights of the upcoming version are shown below.

For detailed information, please check our website: https://t.co/JAC1DSVTOf

#AzurLane #Yostar

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 12:00 PM

[zinc cave]

Regular maintenance

[twin isle]

This is not an advice and I am not a pro in this game so consider what will I tell here is just my own opinion please. I'm deleting every common and rare after limit break, and saving a few rare ships, I'm not a F2P still in my opinion, low rate ships are waste of space in my dock, and above rare ships are giving most of the points at factions, even then I am trying to reach 300-400 dock space bc at every event they are giving at least 5 new ships and lowest rate ship is elite, so I can't delete them

[cedar stirrup]

Quick Question do you guys think the new UR will be here next week or later ? My finger are tingeling i need to feed my addiction haha

[tame jungle]

You will know when the UR is coming when devs announce it

[zinc cave]

Stream probably next week.
UR event probably the week after.

[tropic tusk]

just double checking the game isnt up yet right?

[sharp echo]

The library still save if limit break ship are deleted right?

[zinc cave]

No

[tropic tusk]

thx

[zinc cave]

What library, collection?

[left cedar]

i dint read yet, so how Roon now, still bad? or a lil upgrade ?