gameplay-help

[forest palm]

basically nothing at all

[elfin hollow]

yea

[stark quiver]

its a third of what i have

[elfin hollow]

get ur money up bro

[forest palm]

I have 4,400x this amount

[undone plover]

U have 48mill?

[forest palm]

[stark quiver]

the tech grind is never finished

[mellow cape]

Maybe he meant 480k

48 mill is 2667 runs of 12-4

[forest palm]

I've done more than that for sure

jokes aside, ya no I am sitting at 500k right now

kind of normal for a player like me

[pseudo hearth]

Would it be a good idea to pick up Saint Louis before doing the EXP grind for Brest?

[forest palm]

Sanrui is good 120 tech, so sure

[undone plover]

She is evasion tech
So good to get at some point
Why not

[forest palm]

get to play with her Augment as well since that's around the corner

[stark quiver]

veteran players

[mellow cape]

What makes a veteran in this game anyways lol

[stark quiver]

idk im a new player

[forest palm]

uh...tenure I suppose? even then some people kind of suck at that, I've been playing since the launch of EN servers, and have amassed a lot of wealth, and have grinded quite a lot

[pseudo hearth]

New Player
Joined 2021

[stark quiver]

joined, 2021, made newbie mistakes, took game seriuusly at end of summer 2023

[mellow cape]

Just wondering how much progress you have now, how are you pr wise?

[viscid swift]

2021 by the standards of this channel is still relatively new

[pseudo hearth]

True I guess

[forest palm]

I have 0 PR left, I have basically every Research Ship effectively at Fate Sim 5 including PR7 with the exception of Napoli, and Nahk

[strange sphinx]

[mellow cape]

I always wonder how long it would take a player starting a new to catch up pr wise since a vet has an advantage for newer prs

[strange sphinx]

[pseudo hearth]

I always forget, when do new PR ships drop again? Every year I forget.

[viscid swift]

July

[undone plover]

1 year if u know what u are doing
Assuming catchup means finishing all non coinable seasons

[forest palm]

like July

[soft raft]

Roughly mid july

[pseudo hearth]

[strange sphinx]

still no UR update?

[forest palm]

reasonably any season should take a player about...4 ~ 6 months of to Dev 30 every ship, and that's if you take the correct research, getting every ship developed in a season kind of depends on the player, but it wouldn't take that long

[undone plover]

Stream soon
Before then we probably wont know

[stark quiver]

I’m being bricked by lack of purple bb bps

[forest palm]

they really should bring back 6x HM runs

[pseudo hearth]

Me, but Gold DD BPs

[mellow cape]

Plane BPs and plates make me the most nervous lol. Disproportionately there's just so many more plates and bps needed for plane

[soft raft]

More like Aux plates tbh

[strange sphinx]

Silly question, why can't they add AD-1 sky raider recipe in Gear labs

[viscid swift]

it's event hasn't even rerun yet

[soft raft]

We're a long way off from Yorktown 2 being perma

[undone plover]

Gun plates are more needed than plane tbh if u consider vanguard guns as well

[mellow cape]

I thought aux plates weren't really needed for +13 vs the DPS increase from upgrading a plane or a DD gun

[pseudo hearth]

When is the "most likely" date for the YK2 rerun?

[soft raft]

Thought you were talking about the purple ones

[soft raft]

Definitely not this year
Would be funny if it's right after Dec UR

[viscid swift]

at this point the soonest would be January

[undone plover]

Individually gun gives biggest boost since most bb dmg comes from guns
CV usually have 3 plane slots so each +13 has less impact

[viscid swift]

I give it a 50/50 chance

Hildebrand prediction I see

[forest palm]

depends on what the devs are doing with Op Convergence

[soft raft]

We did it bois, it's now 3 years to rerun

I guess Yorktown 2 was the real schedule fuck up the entire time

[pseudo hearth]

Is there another UR in line before her? Or is she the next one?

[viscid swift]

they skipped Operation Convergence when they reran Musashi

that's where the 50/50 comes in

[undone plover]

How come 3 years?
The latest rerun is still 26 months iirc

[cobalt egret]

Why are missiles aux plates and not torp plates

[soft raft]

Yk2 intial run was 2022
At this rate she'll rerun in 2025

[viscid swift]

ask the devs

well that's technically accurate I guess

[undone plover]

Jan 25 - dec 22 is 25 months not 36

By that logic UvH already was 3 years

[pseudo hearth]

More like 2 years and then some

[wind hazel]

😭 gph can't maths

[undone plover]

Shimakaze/musashi rerun was longest at 26 months each

[crystal flume]

is there just nothing i can do about this? except more waiting? manual isn't an option

[mellow cape]

Put them in your dorm

And wait lol

[soft raft]

Put them in dorm and go touch grass

[strange sphinx]

hmmm, when did they introduce New Jersey again?

[pseudo hearth]

You could also switch in another fleet in the meantime

Wait, why's Sandy the one getting hit in the emote?

[crystal flume]

sadly i'm new.. and only have 1 team that could do last event stage.. but guess touch grass it is

[strange sphinx]

don't question it

[viscid swift]

May 2021

[strange sphinx]

[mellow cape]

Do you have 6 slots in your dorm yet or are you new new

[inland shoal]

No gifs (or other meme pics) here pls (except barrage gifs etc)

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm ic

[mellow cape]

Cause if you don't, double the waiting time

[crystal flume]

ah sorry haha

[pseudo hearth]

Also, 2nd Dorm Floor is a big help there

[crystal flume]

2nd dorm for new player.. surely no haha

[strange sphinx]

well... if you spare diamonds I guess

[plain saffron]

not now, but eventually

[elfin hollow]

as a new player you’ll get a lot of gems

[strange sphinx]

is it 500 or 700?

[mellow cape]

500

[plain saffron]

2nd floor is recommended

[cobalt egret]

You have a lot of gems as a new player, unless you expand your pitifully tiny dock

[strange sphinx]

Dock space or 2nd floor?

[crystal flume]

2nd dorm is using gem and not dorm coin?

[strange sphinx]

[elfin hollow]

2nd floor

u dont need dock space as a new player

[plain saffron]

both

[mellow cape]

Nahh dorm coins are for the furniture and etc that boosts your exp gain rate from food.

Second floor is bought with gems

[crystal flume]

ah.. more wait it is then

[pseudo hearth]

Second floor is good for specifically Affinity stuff though

[plain saffron]

morale

[sharp echo]

whos dock slot is this? guild or me?

[undone plover]

Dorm tokens are also used to expand the first floor which u need to do before u can get second floor
So dont get any furniture yet

[plain saffron]

yours

[sharp echo]

wtf i should have use this instead of gem

[wind hazel]

you should use both

[crystal flume]

ah noted that

[plain saffron]

it's limited

and you'll need way more than 15

[undone plover]

Well it gives 30 not 15 but yeah still not enough

[cobalt egret]

It also costs coins
New players do not in fact have coins

[eternal basalt]

New players starts with 2k coin actually

[strange sphinx]

that's....

[barren tapir]

the shortage is guild token not coins ackshually...assuming you buy stuff in the guild shop that is...

[eternal basalt]

Was talking guild tokens, think Novanity was too.

[barren tapir]

oh it gets confusing when you have multiple potential coins

and you start with 4k ackshually, ha!

[jaunty vault]

isn't it 5k

and since you start with these, and assuming you join a guild you should never have a deficit of guild coins

[barren tapir]

nope it's 4k

[jaunty vault]

[barren tapir]

and you underestimate how much is worth to buy early

dorm foods (can be skipped, but is very cheap)
gold plate (!!!!!!)
skillbooks (reds)
retrofit bps (for early retros or research ships)
various elite ships (for fleet tech for research ships)
cog chips (rare item!)

as per typical i participate in 2 raids a month and my guild yeets a fleet supply at me once a month, and ive only done 5/15 dock upgrades so far hms tech has recently wiped my coins

[eternal basalt]

retrofit bp.is majorly overpriced. Would not recommend for medal or guild tokens

[barren tapir]

[mellow cape]

I never asked this but if you leave your guild just your progress go away too?

[barren tapir]

considering you get a bare minimum of 275 guild tokens per day and a gold retro bp only costs 100 guild token it's very worth it, you can go many days without a single gold from hm

[barren tapir]

no it is kept but if you're at/above public guild tech levels you cant upgrade beyond what you already got

[eternal basalt]

275 per day?

[barren tapir]

75 * 3 donation supply + 50 daily mission

you also get 200 a week from weekly mission

[young lake]

would bismarck zwei be better for mob or boss fleet

[barren tapir]

also it is overpriced for medals for sure, but you arent typically getting 200+ medals per day so yeah. for guild shop it is pretty fair tbh. especially early on when you have very important retros to finish asap, hm alone doesnt cut it and ignoring guild shop would hinder your progress

[young lake]

@cobalt rapids understandable have a nice day

[cobalt rapids]

shes good for both, where she goes depends on the content and the rest of your fleets more than anything

[young lake]

roger that i was thinking of swapping her with uwari on my boss fleet

swapping uwari with bismarck

[cobalt rapids]

she can do anything owari does better but consider if u need it better there or someplace else

[eager mulch]

[young lake]

ok gotcha thanks mate

[undone plover]

Is it fair to say everywhere else bossing is harder expect for ch15?

[cobalt rapids]

and w14 and outside 3* lethaling anywhere

[undone plover]

Isnt 14 boss rly hard tho

[cobalt rapids]

as relatively hard as w15 boss

[stark quiver]

W15 boss was easy, mob was a different issue

[undone plover]

Yeah that is what I mean

[cobalt rapids]

w15 boss is so easy some would use their mob fleet on them

[mellow cape]

Oh I didn't know you could contact support from this server??

[worldly pewter]

i remember 15-2 and 15-4 being very hard

[stark quiver]

Abdou is back

[mellow cape]

What channel is that?

[sweet delta]

But that's just Musashi, you can also use your Musashi mob fleet on 14 boss

[undone plover]

True but 15-2 is hard cause it is rng and 15-4 if u do bosses 1 and 3 with boss fleet I agree

[worldly pewter]

after musasi's rerun i think everyone should be having her

[undone plover]

Unless they start after rerun

[sweet delta]

I do agree with my good friend faer that below chapter 9 boss is harder than mob ||because your fleet is out of ammo||

[undone plover]

In a sense I was getting at this:

would u reserve the stronger BB for mob fleet or boss fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

for the fleet that needs help

[undone plover]

[stark quiver]

Mob usually for me

[jaunty vault]

#tech-support sometimes but emailing them would have a higher chance of getting a response

/techsupport for email

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

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[rocky fjord]

was the collab end due for today or next wed

[cobalt rapids]

it ends in 13h

[rocky fjord]

ok

reckon all augments are doable in that time?

[cobalt rapids]

uh probably, idk

[soft raft]

Probably yeah

[eternal moth]

All augs should be doable in just a few hours

[rocky fjord]

sounds good, i lazed this event

[eternal moth]

Also, welcome back Cad, haven't seen you in a while

[rocky fjord]

im in #anime-manga

[still nest]

Should I still get Lala?, she's the only one I didn't get

[cobalt rapids]

if u like her

[still nest]

Honestly I don't know

[cobalt rapids]

what a coincidence 🤝

[still nest]

What if I watch to love ru later and I got to like her? And collab doesn't come back

[cobalt rapids]

u got like 12hrs give or take till banner goes away, good luck

[viscid swift]

that is precisely what happened with many people and the hololive collab

[still nest]

Fortunately/unfortunately Suisei isn't there lol

[viscid swift]

and sights like this to have a tendency to cause regret

[stark quiver]

Did you miss it or just skipped it

[atomic abyss]

former
cheeky isnt that old a player

[left cedar]

gib me fakkyu, please

[cobalt egret]

In fact, I was talking about gold, not guild coins.

Although I do agree mostly with guild coins being in short supply too, there's only 2 places you spend them, guild store and guild upgrades.
Gold on the other hand..... You've got ship limit breaks, gear upgrades, supply shop, research, research ship development, research ship coining, awakening......

And guild upgrades too, dunno how I forgot that

[ancient socket]

Not good at math. Is Chapter 12-4 the best stage for commander experience, assuming my level is 153?
Like, is that the lowest possible I can go to get my half experience (+29)?

For how long can I rely on Chapter 12-4 until I start getting +5s?

[cobalt rapids]

165
and im sure theres better stages for pure cmder farming at ur lvl but w12 is good for farming regardless

[crimson glacier]

165? what

[left cedar]

higher enemies lvl, higher XP commander, but, u will get cucked hard cuz u are alot higher than enemies so ur XP will be reduced

[onyx hornet]

ive 2 copy of musashi, do we really need 2 musashi nowadays? or just use for lmb ?

[cobalt rapids]

didnt need 2 musashi's never, so use for lb

[paper mural]

What gear should I give Fargo? For OpSi and 12-4 farming

[cobalt rapids]

typical cruiser

[left cedar]

nowadays i farm in 14-4 mostly cuz i already farm all tech stats i care, and is also the highest XP i can get rn, maybe 15-4 its a bit higher, but is alot harder than 14-4 that i dont wanna

[paper mural]

What gear does the typical cruiser take other than repair toolkit and rudder?

[cobalt rapids]

well in fargos case lets see plygun rainbow dd gun rainbow aa rudder and toolkit

[paper mural]

I don't have spares of the first three, what's the next best thing?

[jaunty vault]

standard cl gear works

lol

[cobalt rapids]

french cl gun > 155kai sidegrades > harbin gun ( every got these ? ) > soma gold aa like roomba or pasta gun or just twin 134

[barren tapir]

level 154+ mob, level 155+ boss

[jaunty vault]

ok i did not read

[paper mural]

I don't know which guns the nicknames refer to

[barren tapir]

then you gotta go to 13...then soon 14...then soon 15 well 'soon' is relative ofc

[paper mural]

Is the French CL gun the one from Fool's Scales?

[cobalt rapids]

at cmder lv 153 w12 gives u same cmder xp as w15

[barren tapir]

talking about as they keep levelling up

[jaunty vault]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(Mle_1930_HE)#Type_0-0 yes

[barren tapir]

in 1 more level 12-4 will begin giving them 5, so they'll have to move to ch13

then eventually that gives 5, so ch14

and so on

[cobalt rapids]

idk but its this one

[barren tapir]

the last to give half exp will be strongholds which give half exp until like 180+? ish depending on the fleet's level

[paper mural]

Yeah, that's the one. Then that just leaves the secondary gun and the AA

[cobalt rapids]

oh yea i looked at hm

[jaunty vault]

either of these

for secondary

[paper mural]

Are those typically given to cruisers in the secondary slot, for lack of the UR DD gun?

[jaunty vault]

as secondary, you wouldn't even give them UR

so yeah

[cobalt rapids]

i would

[barren tapir]

depends on how much i like the girl

[jaunty vault]

you're special (not typical) (to me atleast uwu)

[paper mural]

Wait, actually, had a thought. Is it a good idea to rely on loadouts given by people in-game? Forgot that became a thing until just now

[inland shoal]

No

[barren tapir]

probably not, most AL players dont know what theyre doing

[paper mural]

Kinda figured since anyone can post any loadout

[inland shoal]

It's about as useful as copying random loadouts from the META supports you get

[paper mural]

As for the AA gun, I just gave Fargo a Sextuple, figured it can't be bad for her

[barren tapir]

less useful. at least if i see a meta support do 1m+ i know i can maybe copy their homework

[jaunty vault]

as for AA guns, any gold AA gun works considering w12 and opsi is what you're doing
but if you want widely available options, there's the twin113 and the quadruple bofors
sextuple works too ig

[inland shoal]

That's why I said random loadouts, not loadouts that did well

[cobalt rapids]

just coz some1 deals 1m dmg with 3mk7 against nagam doesnt mean u should copy

[barren tapir]

well yeah ofc exercise some common sense with it

[sweet delta]

3 confetti guns and a quint 610 double oxy Shimakaze

[inland shoal]

But yeah most of the loadouts are bad, only a few are usable

[spring bolt]

we need more double oxy cleve bros

[elfin hollow]

what is the fastest minigame to get tickets from

[cobalt rapids]

it used to be the shooter but new ones got added and idk if those are better

[elfin hollow]

the control is really bad on emulation i cant do the shooter

[cobalt rapids]

control the joystick with mouse and use key to shoot
or just shift ur controller map abit to the right

[opaque karma]

does taihou's damage buff apply only when she's the first to launch

[inland shoal]

For other airstrikes, yes

[slender turtle]

Hmm from what it looks like, submarines are gonna be the most tedious shit I do think want to do. That sound about right?

[eager mulch]

no

[cobalt rapids]

its nothing tedious since you dont have to do anything different than sorting normally except switch a checkmark at the beginning
it just costs extra

[elfin hollow]

do I retire excess SRs just like rare and elite?

[cobalt rapids]

sure, and URs for that matter

[inland shoal]

If you're done with MLB and Retro, no use in keeping them

[elfin hollow]

Okay thanks guys. Is there a guide for what to prioritize in war archives? I have Z46 from chessboard already.

[cobalt rapids]

just chessboard for ib tech, if ure done farming the german ships then u can dip out of was

[elfin hollow]

Is war archive not important?

[cobalt rapids]

jda for rly lategame campaign

[inland shoal]

Nope, little of value to be gained

[jaunty vault]

tech

[inland shoal]

No, dupes of the ship, not the ship itself

[jaunty vault]

[novel solstice]

There are a few ships in war archive that you can't get elsewhere, so it may be important to you for wifu reasons, or because you want to aim for 100% completion.
It also may be helpful for getting a few more ironblood ships to unlock their PR ships.

Beyond that, meh. None of the ships in war archives are great for endgame use.

[elfin hollow]

Collection is the only thing I really care about so I'll probably just use war archive to get ships I want for waifu reasons yeah.

[eager mulch]

fleet power bro

[jaunty vault]

hard facts

+10 aura

[inland shoal]

You definitely can. Just takes longer

[elfin hollow]

Yeah it isn't like Houston II is going anywhere right? It'll be a long time before I have all drop ships from 10 and below let alone from 11 to 15.

[viscid swift]

you can but it'll take a bloody long time to get in a state to clear W15 and farm it if you remain casual

[elfin hollow]

What exactly would need to be done to be efficient?

[ancient socket]

Correct. What I meant to say is that it's probably best to do both things together so it's faster that way.

[ancient socket]

Basically follow the recommendations that people post here.

[viscid swift]

doing operation siren and keeping on top of research would be the 2 main ones

[forest palm]

honestly you work backwards after you've cleared 15 when ship collecting

[elfin hollow]

Like prioritizing face research when possible?

[jaunty vault]

being an active player and not just aiming for collection

2030 trust

[elfin hollow]

Well I can only go so far. This is a pretty old and time consuming game.

[wary hawk]

azur lane is probably one of the lowest upkeep gachas out there honestly

[forest palm]

this game is anything but time consuming

[cobalt rapids]

[jaunty vault]

lol

[forest palm]

you can actually reach a point where you can ignore PvP for 2 months at a time

[jaunty vault]

I've been ignoring PvP for years

[wary hawk]

for years, 2 months at a time

[ancient socket]

Definitely not time consuming. It's only Wednesday and I already have no oil.
And I bought oil twice with gems today.

[cobalt rapids]

prob one of the busiest gacha by gacha standards

[elfin hollow]

maybe late game but this is definitely the most time consuming game I play

One of the many reasons I dropped it initially

[mellow cape]

Farm 12-4 2x a day, fill out your queue of researches, op si, and you're done lol. Event farm if you have to

That's basically what I do everyday

[wary hawk]

I think its difficult to define a gacha by its early game, 95% of your playtime will be in "late game"

[cobalt rapids]

3x runs of 12-4 alr take 4x times the time of other gacha dailies

[elfin hollow]

if u ignore opsi this gacha is not time consuming

[forest palm]

even ops is simple

[novel solstice]

Depends on how fast you swap to new games. There are a lot of gacha players who move on to a new game every month.

[jaunty vault]

oh it is time consuming

[wary hawk]

Thats psychopath behavior

[mellow cape]

Also, I was going to ask this yesterday but I don't exactly remember if azure lane had a friend system at one point where you can borrow other people's ships? I might be remembering another game

[jaunty vault]

I've been in today's session of azur lane for 12 hours now swapping between grinding event using multiple fleets and opsi

[cobalt rapids]

only in guild operation
but from guildmates not friends
friends can help you clear dossier metas and thats it

[elfin hollow]

u just run your auto sorties while u do something else

[mellow cape]

Definitely another game then, I don't even remember the beginning of this game since it's that long ago

[jaunty vault]

still consumes time

[elfin hollow]

Anybody anybody know the armor module on Enforcer XIV Harmony? She’s an aircraft carrier, but I don’t know if it’s medium or heavy armor.

u need time yes but u can be doing other things while the game autos so is it really time consuming

Never mind, I figured it out.

[cobalt rapids]

disable fleet lock and it will tell you ||shes medium||

[elfin hollow]

looking at the drop ships for the last few chapters I don't find them that appealing so yeah I don't think I'm going to get too serious.

Yeah, I figured it out

[cobalt rapids]

mb bruh i didnt see your 2nd msg

[elfin hollow]

Which will deal more damage to medium armor?

[cobalt rapids]

left

[elfin hollow]

Is that due to the damage boost or because armor piercing does more damage than high explosive?

[cobalt rapids]

u can click on ammo and the 3 numbers between / are the armor modifiers
L/M/H respectively

[elfin hollow]

Oh

[soft raft]

55/145/125 on Twin 457 VS 140/110/90 on Triple 406 Mk7

[stone sluice]

So we get new 8 ops loggers tomorrow?

[soft raft]

another free UR Blank print yes

[tame jungle]

probably only 1 LOL

[boreal wagon]

we get logger number 8, not 8 total loggers

[tame jungle]

that's not very poggers...

[stone sluice]

Alright

[sweet delta]

Another one for the backlog

[elfin hollow]

This one’s a little tougher. The one on the left deals more damage to heavy armor fires faster, but gives less fire power versus the one on the right.

[cobalt rapids]

the one on the right is better for dd gun slots unless the ships aoa/ on fire barrage contributes enough to tip the scale

[elfin hollow]

We’re talking San Diego retrofit

Because San Diego retrofits allowed to deploy DD main guns.

[hollow sail]

having higher armor mod doesn't necessarily mean it is better against that armor type

[cobalt rapids]

if she has her aug they are sameish on her
but consider you might have another ship that can make better use of moggun then

[elfin hollow]

Oh

[rocky fjord]

did 3* give any exclusive rewards or just the usual cube and bulins

[sweet delta]

In addition to armor modifiers, you also have to consider FP stat, reload time, volley time, spread, shell velocity, damage, shell type, targeting range, shell range, hidden coefficient, and factors not tied to the gun like the ship

tldr just follow good guides or ask good people

[wary hawk]

Such as suchi dot github

[fossil summit]

I got utterly folded during the 3-4 boss fight, any tips?

[soft raft]

The flying fuck does your fleet look like to get folded by 3-4

[fossil summit]

Idk bro

[ancient socket]

Maybe forgot to equip gear...

[fossil summit]

My fleet is indeed probably very random

[soft raft]

can you like at least give us a screenshot of it

[fossil summit]

I just took the characters I liked and tried setting them up the « « « best » » » I could

[spice phoenix]

any tips for w13?

[fossil summit]

This is the new one, I had Z23 (I think) but I replaced her with the girl at the bottom left

[soft raft]

way too many SRs
your entire backline is dogshit and Indianapolis is a complete joke

no healer as well

[cobalt rapids]

yea every1 in this fleet besides srl has to go

[fossil summit]

Uhh chill

[soft raft]

have at least 1 AA Carry in both fleets
And if needed, triple CV in mob but at least 2 CV as per usual

[spice phoenix]

would guam be considered as an AA carry tank or is she still lacking?

[soft raft]

she's basically Cheshire but better yee

[hollow sail]

guam is definitely an AA carry

[spice phoenix]

thanks

[hollow gust]

Huh pooor shangrila catching strays

[cobalt rapids]

planes are biggest threat
theres no suicide botes so mob fleet can leisurely run 3 carriers for extra anti plane dealing but make sure u use good fighters like hellcats
make sure ur acv is maxed
equip good aa guns and good equips in general
use good ships

[fossil summit]

Great help

Well whatever I’ll figure it out

[cobalt rapids]

open a thread and post ur dock if u want
or give this a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[spice phoenix]

thanks

oh that reminds me,

should JDA go in mob or bossing?

[hollow gust]

Only ship you should keep in the fleet is Shangri-La , rest should be swapped till later

[cobalt rapids]

the fleets that needs extra vang survability while trading dmg/aa or other supportive capabilities

[soft raft]

she's mainly for W14/15 bossing

[hollow gust]

You usually won't see a jda in campaign , other options are better

[spice phoenix]

oh lol

[fossil summit]

Well I’m just playing with the characters I like. I’m not opposed to switching a few of them out, but just telling me my fleet is dogwater isn’t going to lead me anywhere

Im literally just starting out and well testing things out

No problem

[hollow sail]

it's best to open a thread and post dock

[soft raft]

I know I was blunt but it's honestly the truth
Elite METAs arent good for pratical uses
And using too many SRs is a bad move early game due to SR Bullin income being slower than Eltie ones, so it's better to save SR Bullins for the actually good SRs

[fossil summit]

Okay now that’s fair enough

I’ll make a thread with my dock

Fixing this mess somehow

[spice phoenix]

all this being said, is this setup fine for w13?

[cobalt rapids]

if ur gear is fine then its fine

[hollow gust]

Use the BBs in boss

Agir and Jeanne are doing basically nothing there to considering Laffey is one of the best mob tanks ingame

[spice phoenix]

hold on, what armor type is boss?

[soft raft]

depends on the map

[cobalt rapids]

depends on stage but its med med med heavy

[hollow gust]

It shouldn't matter , you are using CVs, it's going to be fighter tenrai , parallel TB anyway

[spice phoenix]

you just said use bbs for bossing so thats why i was asking so…

[hollow gust]

Just slap a 457 on

[cobalt rapids]

just keep ur triple ijn together

[hollow gust]

[versed dagger]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1XTmjYFEZ8/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.1 who can replace Algerie META and/or Royal Oak in this?

[viscid swift]

literally anyone

they're just in there for levels

[hollow gust]

Damn Algerie meta is finally useful

[cobalt rapids]

fdg
algm no1

[versed dagger]

so they're not part of the nuke?

[cobalt rapids]

they are
algm is the trigger

hmm this fleet alr using fdg
ig ruppy for picking off strays then

[versed dagger]

i'm missing Algerie META star things

[inland shoal]

When the battle starts, reduces the HP of allied surface ships other than this ship by 15.
This Alg META skill triggers all the proxy barrages of the other ships

[versed dagger]

and no Royal Oak

[cobalt rapids]

shes only there to proc her hp so her stars dont rly matter

[versed dagger]

i see

[viscid swift]

creative but rather redundant

[cobalt rapids]

saving 2s per fight

[versed dagger]

it should work for quickly completing event stages unless i'm missing something

[cobalt rapids]

this only works for single wave stuff
so c1 opsi farming

[viscid swift]

aye, I doubt you'd chunk down things like D3 elites with that

[inland shoal]

I guess Tosa would also work
Or Poltava or San Jacinto (airstrike so slower), also Spence , Marie Rose if you like gambling (4% chance)

[viscid swift]

not to mention the loss of XP when all those ships get maxed

[inland shoal]

Idk if she starts on CD

[undone plover]

can the cruise pass claim notification be turned off?

[coarse heron]

Nope

[ancient socket]

If you mean this, then no.

[eternal moth]

Yes, by collecting the cruise pass rewards

[zinc hornet]

hey guys, it's probably going to be another year before laffey2/guam/flasher rerun right?

[undone plover]

most probably yeah

[zinc hornet]

damn

okay thanks

[humble solar]

Which in War Archives should I grind?

[elfin hollow]

mirror involution imo

[queen jackal]

chessboard if u need tech for fdg

[soft raft]

that's purely for Washing machine
which you can get immideiately useable copies of from T4 tech boxes instead of grinding out individual BPs

[eager mulch]

without context I’d just ignore WA

[eager mulch]

wait what tech boxes drop washing machines

did they update the tech boxes drop pool?

[ivory pawn]

Not tech boxes, research.

[soft raft]

oh right research

nvm lol

[lofty phoenix]

Just Came back to the game and i am a bit overwhelmed

[humble solar]

bruh i have 12 washing machines, so I dont need Mirror Involution?

[eternal moth]

You only run WA if you specifically need something from them

Wasted keys don't really matter

[trail widget]

so is there a way to see how many stages i cleared?

[eternal moth]

There might be a counter on the standard quest page

[soft raft]

there should be a mission in your missions tab that's keeping track

[eager mulch]

[cyan latch]

Worth?

[soft raft]

only for Musashi

[cyan latch]

thx

[eternal moth]

Even then I'd only make it if you're using her in a boss fleet in OpSi. Otherwise stick with twin 410s

[cyan latch]

I see, what would be some good general SR gear to develop, or good CL guns to fit on Z23

[rapid grail]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[cyan latch]

good to know that's a thing, thanks

[rapid grail]

also for DDs in general, DD guns are better for DPS in general compared to CL guns. This is only false in 2 german DDs (Felix and Otto), and even applies to CLs when applicable

[eternal moth]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment This is a more complete gear guide, it's where the gearlab image comes from

[misty tree]

Are the only real options for Kearsarge fighter slot on medium armor bosses the La-9 and HVAR?

[soft raft]

if you're talking in a Strictly OpSi specific context, yes
otherwise she can use Tigercats or Flapjacks

[undone plover]

and bf109 if synced to helena

[forest palm]

just don't sync plans with Helena it's less of a headache

[hollow birch]

has W15 become auto-able? and if not will the upcoming URs assist with that

[viscid swift]

W15 has been autoable since we got autosearch

[hollow birch]

wdym

[viscid swift]

and we have no idea about the upcoming UR anyway

what I mean is, W15 has been auto clearable since its release

and we it has since gotten clearing mode and auto search

[hollow birch]

so its a matter if i got the gear and ships

[viscid swift]

yes

[hollow birch]

fair enough will check out some runs on yt

[novel solstice]

Good cats and tech bonuses help too.

[viscid swift]

just read #bot-spam /w15

[hollow birch]

i mean im 9/9/9/9 but cats are a hassle so i wouldnt dive there

[hollow birch]

i suppose the w15 tactics work on 14 too i just saw i havent cleared 14-2

[viscid swift]

more or less

[hollow birch]

fair enough

[stark quiver]

Would just collection give me 9999 tech

Would 100% collection rate give me enough tech points for 9999 faction tech

[forest palm]

nope

[stark quiver]

Unfortunate

[hollow birch]

@viscid swift bro i saw 3-4 vids now on some youtubers' runs but they are using some weird ah ships, some of them ive not even seen yet lol... how do I know what replaces what

[forest palm]

you need to Lv 120 like over 50% of KMS alone to reach 9 iirc

[viscid swift]

read the guide in the command and go from there

[hollow birch]

u mean the /w15?

also i was talking about w14 this is where im at rn

is it just possible to brute force with latest PR and UR?

[stark quiver]

Yes

[viscid swift]

no

[viscid swift]

we'll you did a full clear on lethal, shouldn't have any issue for the rest of W14

[hollow birch]

its on lethal difficulty? how did you see that

[viscid swift]

well you can't lower the threat level until after you've 100% cleared it so

[hollow birch]

oh okay

so same tactic for 14-4 ?

[soft raft]

depends
also that would assume you have said PR7 ships at D30

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

I mean if you’re spamming urs, and have the slightest bit of gearing and fleet composition , then you should be fine

[hollow birch]

i need to max the loli and the russian UR only iirc

[forest palm]

As you'll notice it is easier to push USS, and IJN

[humble solar]

Nagato META when fighting you: Hydrogen bomb
Nagato META when you use her: Coughing Baby

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

she's like the relative opposite of a coughing baby
unless you're using her when she's 0LB then ofc she's weak

[humble solar]

Is she actually good

[viscid swift]

yes, if you don't have UR BBs anyway

[hollow birch]

someone said the french UR BB is the best mobbing BB can i use her or it has to be some niche BB

[soft raft]

W14 existed lonnnnnnnnng before the deluge of UR BBs (I assume you mean Alsace) so there's alot of stuff that works

mainly depends on who you have in your dock

[humble solar]

So uhh nagatom or monarch

[ivory harbor]

what does this do

[viscid swift]

what a load of hog wash
best mobbing main fleet for campaign is Musashi, Unicorn, Aquila

[soft raft]

the reward itself is the event trophy

[ivory harbor]

okay thank you

[soft raft]

probably Nagato Meta assuming she's MLB

[viscid swift]

Nagato META if you can enhnace her

[hollow birch]

well im looking at yt vids rn but i dont know who to replace with who and kind of update the fleets since most of these vids are 2-3y old

[soft raft]

Youtube
2-3 yr old videos
That's your problem right there

[viscid swift]

did you not read the guide or check the sample fleets posted there

[humble solar]

Which meta is the best to invest in btw?

[hollow birch]

thought it would be faster if i copied some fleet off of yt since i got the important ships but everyone is doing like mock runs with some random ships and im kinda scratching my head

[soft raft]

the SR ones are all basically "Good but better options exist"
tho some have useful fleet tech

[viscid swift]

just start a thread, post your dock and someone will help you there with that

[eager mulch]

[gray sphinx]

Fleets always change depending on the content you’re trying to tackle so threads like cheeky mentioned is best if you really don’t want to scratch your head

If you’re doing normal stuff like event stages or W12 on safe then you can get away with running a lot of different ships that you want to run

[hollow birch]

fair enough i think i did one before but now i got most PRs maxed and newest URs i will try with that

w14 brute force ? ?

[onyx chasm]

Anyone knowhow I can make the auto search clear every enemy?

[humble solar]

that's the neat part, you cant

[onyx chasm]

So what's this about?

[hollow gust]

read the line from ALL enemies

[wind hazel]

#3 clearly states that you will engage the boss as soon as it spawns, so you won't be clearing all enemies

[humble solar]

All enemies means that fleet alone will engage all enemies UNTIL boss spawns

[onyx chasm]

Dumb ngl

[humble solar]

once boss spawns the other fleet will go to it

[hollow gust]

why would u make your fleet fight additional mobs...

[onyx chasm]

More exp and additional mobs drops

[weary gust]

The only reason to ever clear more enemies than required for the boss to spawn is 3*, which you only need to do once ever and is easy enough to do by just turning off auto and sending the mob fleet at them a few more times

[sharp socket]

if you want 3rd star you gotta manual select enemies

[hollow gust]

that makes no sense? boss is better exp and drops

u want to clear as much boss fleets as you can

[onyx chasm]

There's also event that im tryna clear

[weary gust]

You get event points on boss kill, nothing else.

[onyx chasm]

dam

[hollow gust]

so u go for boss as much as possible? still dont understand ur reasoning

[weary gust]

Auto is saving you from yourself it seems

[humble solar]

Do mobs cost oil each, or is it the entire sortie that costs oil

[soft raft]

each fight
boss fight also has its own sepreate cost
Subs too

[humble solar]

Then yeah nah full clear auto would just eat oil for less rewards

[weary gust]

Starting a map = 10 oil. Every fight = its own oil cost of that fleet, up to a max cost on oil cap stages. Boss battle has slightly higher oil cap.

[humble solar]

Then yeah, every mob fleet you fight just costs as much as boss fleet

[soft raft]

The boss fight has higher oil cap than the mob fights

if you were saying as in intial clears, sure you would've been correct

[copper glacier]

Why aren't any of my meowfficers getting exp or stats when I feed them other meowfficers? I hoenstly have no idea how this works. (I used these two as an example. I didn't actually give an SR meowfficer to an Elite meowfficer)

[hollow sail]

they're getting xp, they're just not getting much because they're level 1

[wind hazel]

you are gaining exp, but it's very little because you're feeding lv1 cats

[copper glacier]

Am I supposed to feed them not level 1 cats?

O.o

[wind hazel]

higher level is more exp, that's about it

[hollow sail]

also mandatory roberts isn't a good cat unless you're using full tempesta sub fleet

[agile sky]

is there a genral idea of when the next new UR will be? Asking cuz idk if i should go deep for the last collab ship im missing.

[wind hazel]

it's a very long process of leveling since main exp for cat is through cat comfort

and uh... i guess using them when sortie

[weary gust]

Probably in 2 weeks, not sure if it's confirmed when next ur event is yet.

[copper glacier]

I have no idea which meowfficers are good or where to put them, so, this is helpful. Thank you.

[agile sky]

yikes

[copper glacier]

Most of mine are lvl 22 now. I have no idea what to do with talent points either.

[wind hazel]

use them

[copper glacier]

On what tho? I have different options and I don't know what is good.

[wind hazel]

pick FP for BB cat, RLD/AVI for CV cat

[copper glacier]

Oh, ok. So kinda like the ships then

[hollow sail]

there's a meowfficer table that gives a decent idea what each cat specializes in/the talents they should have

but i don't have the link on hand

wiki can help a bit regardless

[wind hazel]

/cats

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

MEOWFFICER QUICK GUIDE

What are Meowfficers?
They are companions that you can add up to 2 per fleet (including sub fleets). They buff your fleets with their "skills" and "talents". There are 27 different types of them.

How do I get them?
You get them by opening Cat Boxes in the Cattery. The Cattery can be found under HQ > Cat Lodge. The first Cat Box you buy everyday is free. You can buy up to 14 more per day, with each costing 1500 Gold. It is strongly recommended you do NOT binge on them!

How do I level them?
Just like ships, they gain experience when sortied. They do not cost oil, however their exp gain is dependent on the oil spent by the fleet. They max out at level 30. You can also level them by feeding other meowfficers to them, at about 30% exp loss (20% bonus if identical). Additionally they can gain levels passively through Comf-Forts.

What are talents?
Talents buff a specific ship type or faction. They get 1-3 permanent talents, depending on rarity.. Every 5 levels they gain, they get a Cat Paw which can be used to roll new talents or raise the level of some talents. You can reroll any new talents once every 24h with gold (increases with number of talents).

What are skills?
Skills are unique to each type of Meowfficer. They usually give some stat buff or some perk to the fleet. They get 1 skill initially, and they can get up to 3 skills, each obtained by feeding duplicates (1 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd). The potency of the skills is dependent on their stats which increase through levels.
Do note that the skill stat buffs are mostly inferior to talent stat buffs.

Visit the AL Wiki Page on Meowfficers for more details.
Cat Guide by Riceist#3504 for detailed explanation of skills and talents.

[wind hazel]

^riceist guide is comprehensive

if you have Every, it's a good cat

[weary gust]

Every (the) cat is a good cat

[copper glacier]

I do have Every! They are lvl 15 now.

[storm heron]

[copper glacier]

Where do I put them?

[wind hazel]

in your fleet

[copper glacier]

Staff cat or command cat?

[wind hazel]

command if you don't have any better

[copper glacier]

Like I said. I know nothing

[misty tree]

Theres no Cat for Kearsarge is there?

[sweet delta]

Reading the cat's skills will make you know more than nothing

[ebon storm]

are the collab ship any good?

[wind hazel]

it's also in the guide 😭 start reading

[weary gust]

SR gud, purple bad, augs expensive, probably better to use other ships except maybe Golden Darkness

[grizzled sundial]

Weird gimmick , not meta good in term of damage output.

[ebon storm]

momo seems ok should i build her

especially since she is free

[sweet delta]

The golds are all ok, just depends on what else you have

[ebon storm]

probably best to not pull for them i guess ill just build momo cos she is free

[storm heron]

1. They might not come back
2. It's totally okay not to care

[brisk dragon]

does double battle thing count to this? and do i do any stage?

[sweet delta]

3. They will be powercrept and are much less likely than normal ships to be "buffed" again

[weary gust]

Number of stage clear count is like the one thing the HELPs don't apply to

[storm heron]

Reminder@ for everyone

• finish story
• finish normal challenges
• finish easy EX

[copper glacier]

Ok. I looked at the guide briefly. Could not find instructions on how to unlock talents.

Clicking "upgrade" doesn't do anything. How do I unlock new talents?

[storm heron]

use talent points

[weary gust]

Bottom right

[copper glacier]

Clicking "use talent points" doesn't let me select which talent to apply then to

[hollow sail]

not like recent non-collab golds would be getting buffs any time soon anyway

[weary gust]

It brings up a list with 3 choices.

[spring bolt]

every has fixed talent, no choice

[weary gust]

You choose one.

[storm heron]

Every has specific talent path

[weary gust]

Ah, right, Tempestas are like that

[spring bolt]

just use all the talents, every is a good cat

[copper glacier]

This is all I get: It gives me no other options

[storm heron]

upgrade

[sweet delta]

Press the Upgrade button

[spring bolt]

every has fixed talents, no choice

[copper glacier]

But I don't want to upgrade that one. I want to unlock one of the others

[brisk dragon]

don't think i can clear 60 stages . i jsut started the event

[sweet delta]

Too bad

[hollow sail]

you can't

[storm heron]

you will eventually

[brisk dragon]

what am i gonna miss?

[hollow sail]

the path is fixed

[copper glacier]

That makes that easy lol. Ok then.

[hollow sail]

when the cat gets to level 30 they'll all be unlocked

[copper glacier]

I mean, you could. But your girls will be really mad at you lol.

[barren tapir]

60 * 5 min = 5 hours

you might make it if you start now, have enough oil and enough ships to rotate morale

it'll be fairly tight though and you do have to start now

[weary gust]

I kinda doubt their clear time will be 5 minutes if they're a new player.

[barren tapir]

well depends how new they are ofc

[ebon storm]

is golden darkness better than any of these BBs/BCs:

bismark zwei, fdg, tamaki, nj ?

[weary gust]

Tamaki maybe, others no.

[barren tapir]

but if they can do t1 and have enough ships that can kill it fast it'll be inefficient oil but doable

[spring bolt]

also new bug for every, her skill one is effective even you have no tempesta ship in the fleet, means free 3.94% damage reduction for vanguards
might be fixed later tho

[sweet delta]

Tamaki and a non MLB fdg/nj

[brisk dragon]

well i did start a while ago. pretty sure i did at least 10-15 runs. but yeh. 3am. gotta wake up at 7. just curious what i'll miss

[sweet delta]

Is it new new or been there forever new

[barren tapir]

oh, just the furniture trophy thing

[brisk dragon]

aight thx
speed time. i just farmed enough to get momo and other mielstone girl

speed? sleep smh. yeh i need it. night night folks

[humble solar]

i have no oil

[ebon storm]

are there any other ships with 9 planes other than shinano

[south sequoia]

Hakuryuu, Implacable, Nakhimov, Yorktown II, Shinano-Chan (the small version of shinano)

[ebon storm]

are there any ships with 4 mgm?

[barren tapir]

opsi

[opaque gate]

amagi shinano AvP good combo? for converging torps

[south sequoia]

Not yet as of now but we do technically have the sailing frigate ships

[humble solar]

wait, wouldnt I save more oil if I just do T1 with 2 ships

[south sequoia]

they have about 6??

[ebon storm]

im still waiting for a bb with 5 mgm

[south sequoia]

but they have the drawback of well

being a sailing ship

[barren tapir]

well the main fleet tempestas have 6 mgm

[weary gust]

Their drawback is they're gearlocked and their gear is garbage.

[humble solar]

chang-chun musashi only costs 140 oil

[barren tapir]

it's not even that, it's that they instantly die to aircraft crash damage and can only do decent damage to light armor

[south sequoia]

and the fact they can barely land hits because of their hit stat

[humble solar]

i wish I can just do 1 ship

[barren tapir]

their gun isnt too far off the mk6 in total output given the 6 mgms

[humble solar]

chang chun solos t1

[opaque gate]

is quad magnetic torp worth +13ing?

[weary gust]

Their best gun is worse than the poverty standard BB gun and limited to only doing decent damage to one armor type. How is that not garbage?

[barren tapir]

yeah their lack of viable auxes is a pain

[copper glacier]

Next question: How do I get more Agir blueprints for dev level when my catch-up for her is complete? I have no general blueprints.

[viscid swift]

never mind about hit stat their geometric accuracy is pretty appalling

[ebon storm]

pray

[viscid swift]

PR4 research focus

[opaque gate]

or is there other torp worth +13ing other than the quad magnetic?

[copper glacier]

Any of them? Because I can't select Agir

[red birch]

Can Energy Fragments be used for anything other than in Help me, Miss Lala event ?

[viscid swift]

catchup and research focus are different things

[barren tapir]

sao dmg if everything hit = 5362 vs light
nelson dmg if everything hit = 3107 vs light

ignoring fp for that

[storm heron]

do you notice you are doing research focus/7 over there?

[weary gust]

Sub torps, straight line torp/UR Quad if you wanna manual meme.

[barren tapir]

sao gun is worse pattern but the raw dmg is satisfactory

[copper glacier]

Yes. I switched to FDG because I couldn't select Agir

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, cuz i have so many gold torp parts to spare, i wanna 13 one

[ebon storm]

they should make Ranger 2 with the same passives but 50% chance instead

[weary gust]

Catchup is not the same thing as research focus.

[barren tapir]

but yeah their gear is worse, i'm not arguing that (especially because they can't ammo swap) but the main thing that makes them unusable is the lack of aa

[storm heron]

lol

[bold cove]

Why not ship with Anti Ship cruise missiles

[barren tapir]

you simply arent a viable backline ship if you're taking ~3-4x more dmg from plane crashes

[eager mulch]

is there a datamine tonight?

[viscid swift]

yes

[weary gust]

They'd be viable in opsi if it was only AA that was their problem.

Well I suppose they are "viable" but you know what I mean.

[eager mulch]

damn, i got timed out for a week in ectl

[ebon storm]

5 mgm just sounds cooler

[barren tapir]

everything is viable for opsi mob that's a low bar, i guess you mean 'good'

[ebon storm]

i guess to offset thatt they should not give it a barrage

[copper glacier]

Ok, so I should do this and it will give me a chance at getting more Agir blueprints?

[barren tapir]

and yes i agree theyre weaker overall than a standard basic bb.

[ebon storm]

ye

[hollow sail]

the mgm damage of main fleet tempesta is... ok-ish, the 6 mgm and the gun being mk6-tier kinda offset the stat disadvantage. but both of their barrages are a bit too widespread, damage should have been a bit more focused

[bold cove]

Yes

[quartz jungle]

What do you think the retrofitted DDGs are?

[ebon storm]

wish it let me equip mk7s

[opaque gate]

is there a reason why ibuki isnt meta? she is so strong

[eager mulch]

is ibuki better than unzen

[atomic abyss]

Because Unzen exists is the answer really

[opaque gate]

i mean, she and ayanami are my only torpedo nukes

[weary gust]

Because there's way better ships than her still.

[bold cove]

What is đét?

[atomic abyss]

Unzen is just Ibuki but way better

[barren tapir]

i do think that their dmg isnt as bad as it looks on paper because the pattern of the guns firing and 6 mgm means their output when fired is low, but continuous shelling for quite a while, which might be decent for mobbing due to damage 'uptime'

of course, if the geometric accuracy is still too bad, then it isn't worth it

[opaque gate]

i see, so if i get unzen and perhaps shimakaze, i might change my mind

[atomic abyss]

And Shinakaze is ayanami but way better

[bold cove]

Can you guess when unzen banner come again?

[quartz jungle]

Only in fights shorter than 20/40 secs I believe

[ebon storm]

i dont think the frigates would be broken if they could equip actual bb main guns

[atomic abyss]

About a year is the educated guess
Based on when Musashi reran

[barren tapir]

im sad i cant test them myself since i failed to pull either

[viscid swift]

speaking as someone who has leveled both, you really feel the lack of geometric accuracy with their guns

[atomic abyss]

An Shan, Tai Yuan and Chang Chun

They are all guided missile destroyers when retrofitted (DDG)

[weary gust]

I have used the Tempesta backlines, and their salvos are like watching them fire popcorn. They fire a lot of shots that don't do a whole lot.

[quartz jungle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Tai_Yuan for example

[hollow sail]

demi-cannon fires twice as many shots which deal half the damage

[barren tapir]

lacking access to the huge amount of bb fleet tech also doesnt help im sure

[bold cove]

Pardon me, should i build Ibuki in the mean time? Or any better option out there

[ebon storm]

they should be buffed with something like a ranger passive, but per volley instead

[barren tapir]

i figure theyre 'relatively' better for new accounts compared to standard bbs as a result, and become worse and worse the further your account is

[atomic abyss]

Well, let's see how Sanrui and Roon augments (releasing today) turn out first before investing into Ibuki's augment :

[weary gust]

You don't have to connect literally everything to fantasizing hypotheticals about Ranger's skill, you know.

[hollow sail]

i have a 125 sawai, the problem is all that barrage damage is really going nowhere. basically wasted unless the entire screen would be covered with enemies, which doesn't really happen

[viscid swift]

I don't know if I would even go that far because chances are you'll struggle to gear them if the last tempesta event was anything to by

[barren tapir]

oh i dont mean theyre usable or easy to access

[atomic abyss]

No it's not worth the gems

[barren tapir]

i mean their damage output isnt gonna be as bad compared to standard bbs for a new account, but the more tech and gear you obtain the worse they become since it doesnt apply to them

[sinful escarp]

dont buy the oil

[ebon storm]

i just want an UR ranger with 50-75% passive activation chance

[hollow sail]

and martinho has a similar "carpet bombs the entire screen" type of barrage

[weary gust]

The event store has some oil for points if you haven't bought it already.

[barren tapir]

that's called enterprise in her anti-light meta fleet

[bold cove]

Sanrui = Saint Louis?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[ebon storm]

i mean the quick takeoff part

[barren tapir]

truly a shame cos i think their barrages look great all style and no substance, sadly

[forest palm]

just the way her name is spelled in Japanese

[atomic abyss]

Quick take off with anything higher than it's current proc rate would be game breaking

[barren tapir]

it'd be phone breaking also

[bold cove]

A yeah, i just finish Dev her yesterday, so i got Izumo, Roon, Saint Sanrui from PR1

[spring bolt]

ibuki with aug is like a slightly better shima, which isn't qualified as meta apart from certain aspects like opening burst damage, so she will be more valuable in speed runs like opsi mob

[ebon storm]

now imagine the frigates but with ranger passive so every volley of their main gun has a 15% chance to auto reload

[barren tapir]

dmg buff is easier to balance and handle than dumping a morbillion extra planes onto the screen

[atomic abyss]

Why are we even speculating about the frigates

[barren tapir]

they'd still be shit for the previous reasons described

[ebon storm]

i just want the aesthetics of never ending volleys that will eventually tickle the enemy to death

[barren tapir]

theyd require a full rework to approach anything resembling decent and that isn't happening, so let's move on

[hollow sail]

meh, i think 25% quick takeoff probably still not broken, it's just not reliable in the slightest

[ebon storm]

or just let them equip actual bb guns

[barren tapir]

you'd probably like prinz rupprecht then

[viscid swift]

just watch a Colbert replay at that point

[barren tapir]

her ghost gun is reasonably decent consistent fire and she spams actually not bad full screen wave of torps every 10 seconds

[ebon storm]

maybe replacing the frigate's aux guns with mgm is the best approach so they reach 18 mgm

[atomic abyss]

^

Out of the scope of this channel

Admittedly, whatever you discussed isn't as bad as tempestas having spoopy ghosts scaring planes out of the sky as a means to give them AA but

[ebon storm]

anyone know what class the next ur will be

[atomic abyss]

We don't even know the faction

[viscid swift]

we don't even know if there will be a UR yet

[ebon storm]

it would thematically make sense for tempestas to have 18 mgm

[stark quiver]

are there any low cost farming fleets for 14-4

[viscid swift]

you'll be waiting at least a week for anymore information

[ebon storm]

the only thing im sure of is that it will be a ship

[atomic abyss]

You can """low cost""" 14-4 if you don't auto search iirc

Cos you can pick up the ammo nodes

[stark quiver]

NewOr is ca fp and i like that

[atomic abyss]

Anything beyond that and I don't really consider that "low cost"

[humble solar]

already did

[viscid swift]

to get under the oil you cap you'd have to drop to around 4 ships at least

[atomic abyss]

At the end of the day, it's also a better coin grind so just take it as is

At most, you mean

[quartz jungle]

Is that even possible?

[atomic abyss]

I'm very sure it is

[stark quiver]

also do you guys use a fleet tech tracker for your ships
i have like 600 and limited brain power

[atomic abyss]

But at some point you're gonna be using capped ships

[ebon storm]

any oil cost can be low if you beleive in it

[viscid swift]

I do

[atomic abyss]

Quite a few people do

I don't personally care much about fleet tech outside rld so

I mean cheeky, don't you have almost everything with tech levelled already

[stark quiver]

i personally wnna like get good clear times on cm n whatnot, so im trying to get max tech

[atomic abyss]

So you see alpha, your goals don't match your methods

[barren tapir]

a lot of things are possible, whether they are good ideas is a different matter

[atomic abyss]

Why try to save oil when you can grind full fleets on 14-4 for exp while hunting NO

[weary gust]

I just looked up which ships gave the good tech (BB/CV Rld, DD FP, CA/CL EVA) and did those, and now I just 120 any ship not yet at 120.

[barren tapir]

(can you 1:1 14-1?)

[stark quiver]

nah you right

[atomic abyss]

I'm sure 14-4 on safe can be tackled with 115 at the very least

[barren tapir]

volga + laffey 2 on 14-1?

[atomic abyss]

And 115-120 is by far the biggest hurdle

[atomic abyss]

Suicide boat death

[stark quiver]

ill grind NO when my ships are like that level, sounds like a good plan

[barren tapir]

oh, maybe 2:1?

[stark quiver]

unless you body block with laff, then volga is dead

[barren tapir]

but i guess 2:1 14-1 would be less efficient than 1:1 13-1

[atomic abyss]

Aurora, it's either you die from suicide boats
Or you get BB sniped

Or you die from planes cos you can't hit air superiority due to insufficient ships

[barren tapir]

also the cog increase isnt much, only 2.25 to 2.9

[humble solar]

turns out 110 oil is the cheapest we can go

[spring bolt]

just do 13-1, lowest i've seen is 151 oil for each clear

[humble solar]

maybe 100 if whites

[barren tapir]

what for?

[humble solar]

i am trying to cleat the 60 stages with 700 oil

[quartz jungle]

Is 13-1 1:1 for cog chip farm?

[viscid swift]

main fleets are done, still got quite a lot of vanguards to do, esepcially DDs

[humble solar]

last legs on the event

[weary gust]

You will need way more than 700 oil.

[humble solar]

i mean I just need 8 more stages

[weary gust]

Then just wait overnight for comms and you'll have enough oil.

[stark quiver]

main fleets prolly most important
i mean im leveling momo and lala for opsi mob anyways rn

[humble solar]

isnt today the end of event

[barren tapir]

i dont think you have enough oils

[stark quiver]

yea

[weary gust]

~29 hours left.

[quartz jungle]

1:1 DDG/starter + uni should work on T5?

[humble solar]

ah

[barren tapir]

4 hours 20 minutes left

[weary gust]

Oh, today is Wednesday already.

[barren tapir]

same cost as oilcap don't bother

[spring bolt]

yeah, cog+some cmdr exp
tbh not a really good deal as c1 is easier for cmdr exp and you get ship exp as well
the chip income is too low for the oil and time costs

[barren tapir]

if you wanted to clear stages for the mission, just do 0lbs on t1 (or highest u can do)

[humble solar]

i wanna see how far Musashi-Changchun pair can go

[atomic abyss]

Ping me when datamines are out

[barren tapir]

like i used a 7 oil fleet on initial clears up to t3, just use smth shitty like that on a low map and ez

[spring bolt]

ok

[humble solar]

7 oil???

[barren tapir]

0lb erebus z20 z21 cassin

[humble solar]

even my laffey alone costs 9

ohhh

[barren tapir]

if you dont have 0lbs then you dont rlly have any cheap option beyond t5 oil cap

i guess ranger cassin is 16

[atomic abyss]

And pretty sure that strat requires decent gear

It's not something a new player can do

[stark quiver]

Without crossfleets, what the chance of this team living thru 12-1
I’m getting killed by planes

[atomic abyss]

Very low without limit breaks on the carriers

[barren tapir]

just basic +10 stuff for me but yeah not something a new new player could do. and they failed in t4 due to lack of aa anyway

[stark quiver]

oh wait why doesnt souryuu have lb

[quartz jungle]

You should have probably brought a carrier

[atomic abyss]

MLB the carriers and I think it's possible provided you use your crossfleet fleet for boss

[barren tapir]

well not super basic, i used 2x twin128s for the z dds, and gold aa

[stark quiver]

she wasnt getting xp this whole time 💀

[storm heron]

I doubt the survival

[viscid swift]

stagger your main fleet better and you'll be fine after sorting the limit breaks

[spring bolt]

CN patch released... datamine should be soon

[barren tapir]

if the vg has good aa guns and your souryuu wasnt a baby you shud be aight

[hollow sail]

i've made a similar mistake but with a ship at 3m stored xp

[stark quiver]

ima run it thru w12 rq

[atomic abyss]

Better you realise now then getting the sour realization later after a lot of grinding

[viscid swift]

if this works you should have no issue with cross fleets

[stark quiver]

enterprise

[weary gust]

she has glasses that makes her a totally different character

[barren tapir]

nerd enterprise

actually just a maid nvm

[storm heron]

enerdprise

[spring bolt]

@atomic abyss https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1007291833790758915

[atomic abyss]

Enderprise you mean

[viscid swift]

Saint Louis' aug just looks like a damage upgrade

[spring bolt]

sanrui gets 20% mgm eff, 20% crit rate, 15% damage boost to light and med armor enemies, 15s barrage, 35 fp and 15 hit

[viscid swift]

sigh, ammo swapping not removed

[barren tapir]

big dmg?!

[soft raft]

joever

[atomic abyss]

150% eff CA guns

[barren tapir]

least she gets stacking fp it's something

[atomic abyss]

Roon's one looks... Ass

[barren tapir]

roon still mid tank for tanking dmg supremacy

[atomic abyss]

I guess they're trying to make her a DPS but why

[storm heron]

looks ass?

[spring bolt]

roon gets 20s barrage that inflicts a 10s damage boost with 10%, for roon herself...

[soft raft]

probably
and like yeah why

Esp when Drake is right there

[spring bolt]

that boost is way to small

[barren tapir]

neptune got both tank and dmg but these two are pure dmg, wack

[atomic abyss]

I'm gonna laugh if sanrui keks drake now

[storm heron]

[still nest]

Which dr should I get after fdg?

[barren tapir]

sanrui got a very big dmg increase tho i think

roon is small gain and no bulk besides eva stat

[weary gust]

Time to resurrect Drek bad?

[plain saffron]

Sanrui or saint loius

[barren tapir]

like sure 40%+ fp increase is nice but it takes forever to stack, so you might as well ignore most of it

[atomic abyss]

Agir
But get Anchorage first imo

[still nest]

But she's not dr?

[viscid swift]

and this folks is why you don't get your hopes up for augments

[spring bolt]

expect a second patch, roon aug looks very bad unless that barrage does 100k damage or something...

[plain saffron]

Time to summon riceist

[atomic abyss]

So? She's about as good as the DR tanks lol

[hollow gust]

anchor is a shit ton cheaper to upgrade

[storm heron]

with no context all DRs are in the same priority in constructing tbh

[soft raft]

also the sooner you can develop anchorage, the sooner you can get her face research out of the way to make getting Agir's prints faster

[humble solar]

YAY I COMPLETED THE EVENT

[atomic abyss]

And being able to use the US manjuu is a huge plus in her favour

[still nest]

I already have fs5 Anchorage

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1291839726873215018

[ebon marten]

Need my anchor to do more dmg for the mvp percy keeps out dps everyone lol

[barren tapir]

yeah idk wtf they were thinking with roon but maybe al-gen peeps will stop going on about kms bias so much

[atomic abyss]

Finish up Agir and Hakuryuu then

[barren tapir]

sanruis looks pretty decent if the total output is high

[soft raft]

MvP control is a waste of time
Anchorage isnt even supposed to be a damage CA anyways

[viscid swift]

houshou has some not ass healing now with her augment

[forest palm]

so Monarch is the last of her season to get an Augment

[hollow gust]

kek lol kms bais, they have been getting kicked out of the meta left and right

[ebon marten]

Yeah but doesn't mvp give affinity? If so that's why I'm trying to do that just to get that out the way and put a ring on it

[soft raft]

what do the moon runes say

[spring bolt]

hosho aug makes her a backline healer, 3.5% x3 heals of hosho's total health, doubles if target is a carrier

[still nest]

It's last month data

I already finished whole pr4

And starting pr5 with plymouth at dev 24

[soft raft]

afaik only bonus XP

[atomic abyss]

MVP doubled affinity gain

[storm heron]

doesn't matter, affinity is easy to get when you're grinding

[soft raft]

Honestly this whole mixup could've been avoided if you listed who you had alongside the question in the first place, lets be real

[atomic abyss]

^

[soft raft]

(Tho this still doesnt justify MvP control, just grind grind grind)

[hollow gust]

affinity is inconsequential, that shit is easy asf to grind

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

Well I'm gonna test sanrui with Drake later

[barren tapir]

houshou any value?

[atomic abyss]

My roon isn't 120

[hollow gust]

tech

[atomic abyss]

Rld tech regardless

[barren tapir]

i assume too weak even with the aug being nice

her stats far too low to be functional. shame

[storm heron]

how do you even get houshou

[barren tapir]

7-4, 15-3

[atomic abyss]

7-3 or w14/15 I think?

[spring bolt]

you only start worry about mvp control when you have no backlines to level
before that it doesn't really matter

[hollow gust]

sanrui's gimmick was medicore asf when she was introduced , now theres so many busted asfantiligt

[atomic abyss]

Oops confused with isuzu

Second part true
She wasn't mediocre on release tho

[barren tapir]

at least her augment's a decent boost unlike kekroon

[atomic abyss]

It seems like Roon also for increased mods for her ammo swapping

[atomic abyss]

Look, consider what CAs were around when she was released lol

[barren tapir]

oh maybe its ok then

[storm heron]

me knowing with the aug they won't be meta anyways

[barren tapir]

i find it funny how every pr1 vg is squishier than portland on release

[atomic abyss]

If there's nothing better, is something really considered mediocre?

[storm heron]

portland retro came before them?

[barren tapir]

who cares, the augs arent to make them meta, they're to make them stronger so that ppl who like them can still use them in some harder content

[atomic abyss]

Do remember that Portland has like, 78 luck and above average eva
And the PRs have no luck till FS

[barren tapir]

tbf sanrui has the same eva, a 35% eva buff, and similar hp. lck do matter a fuckton

[atomic abyss]

Well, yes ofc

Port retro was like, slightly after base game for EN

[barren tapir]

sanrui is 94%

[storm heron]

even with fsV they still not as tanky as pland

[atomic abyss]

I believe the only competition for Sanrui was Minneapolis

And Minneapolis came before sanrui only in EN

[barren tapir]

neptune really lucked out, damn..im glad..

[atomic abyss]

There's also the separate issue of CAs being noticeably frailer when at 100 as opposed to 120 cos of the stat scaling

Port Kai being the notable exception

[viscid swift]

the one semi intereting thing this does imply is Monarch's augment will upgrade her barrage skill but that means jack anyway

[storm heron]

is the monarch aug 100% proc rate and 2x heavy modifire just like hood?

[vale spindle]

that was implied since augments existed

[barren tapir]

i think that was pretty likely in general

[storm heron]

wait it's not even out yet

[barren tapir]

and hey, it means if they decide to be nice, 100% barrage chance, maybe some extra bonuses

[eager mulch]

[vale spindle]

[viscid swift]

I wish it were that simple but the devs haven't exactly played nice in the past

[barren tapir]

that's why, 'if they're nice'

neptune big winner of pr1?

[storm heron]

ibuki

[humble solar]

I can now sleep

[vale spindle]

datamine is coming today don't worry

[stark quiver]

how the augs looking guys

[atomic abyss]

No it's Ibuki

[viscid swift]

Look up a bit

[barren tapir]

neptune and ibuki

[humble solar]

How many cubes do I need

[atomic abyss]

No Neptune's is still cope

[storm heron]

it looks ass

[barren tapir]

ibuki for damage and neptune as a tank

[vale spindle]

well it depends on nagami availability but i have faith he can avoid his boss long enough to update stuff

[atomic abyss]

Izumo has better augment lol

[stark quiver]

excited for bogue aug

[barren tapir]

+50% ehp is cope?

[sweet delta]

These takes are ass

[atomic abyss]

It's a massive improvement yes

[vale spindle]

i agree thats why i have more anime channel messages than gph messages

[atomic abyss]

But at that point use fucking fancy as a tank

[barren tapir]

[atomic abyss]

Fancy is still tankier lmao

[soft raft]

[viscid swift]

Just an extra barrage with her airstrike

[barren tapir]

i wasnt talking about their overall power, but about how much of a gain their augment is. just to clarify.

[atomic abyss]

And another issue is that half her kit is still meaningless today in an oil cap world

[vale spindle]

glorious stonks real

[storm heron]

Ibuki turned from 0 to 1, and neptune turned from 0 to 0

[barren tapir]

[vale spindle]

the % gain from augment is irrelevant when 0 * anything is still 0

[atomic abyss]

The thing is, are you really going to use Neptune as a bonafide tank?

[barren tapir]

over portland ofc but the same can be said for anything that isnt anchorage or a CB tho

and lala now ig

[atomic abyss]

You see

Portland can actually be used to grind for anchorage cdc

[barren tapir]

and neptune can be used for ply

[storm heron]

*in terms of being usable in end game content, assuming it's binary between 0 unusable and 1 usable

[atomic abyss]

What on earth would you have to use you grind for Neptune's own CDC lmao
Javelin?

[barren tapir]

i did her first pr just fine, idek what i used but it didnt cause me issues

[viscid swift]

Sirius

[vale spindle]

london/shrop javelin aurora

[atomic abyss]

You're also speaking from the perspective of someone who hasn't even used other ships

[barren tapir]

oh yeah i used sirius

[mellow cape]

Makes me hopeful for monarch

[sweet delta]

brb quickly pulling Aurora as new player

[barren tapir]

i've used fancy and neptune tanked better for opsi abyssal bosses somehow

[dusky cloak]

are the event auxiliaries worth playing the minigame for?

[hollow sail]

gloucester obv

[viscid swift]

London, Shropshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Sussex, Belfast, etc

[weary gust]

Considering you can just start the game and then end it immediately, yes.

[atomic abyss]

You said London twice

[barren tapir]

okay but i reiterate that i was talking about how big the augment upgrade is, not the total power

[dusky cloak]

no way 😯

[storm heron]

me doing neptune's cdc with kent shrop and norfolk (just a normal daily 3x event pull in amagi server)