gameplay-help

[hollow gust]

3-4

[viscid swift]

if you're saying you've been on PR5 research focus for 6 months or any one season for that matter and only get enough to max one of ships, you're doing something wrong

[pseudo hearth]

Like I said, I have bad luck. Before you get on my case with some of the choices, the rest of choices for each of these were literally just the researches with only the gear and no BPs.

[zinc cave]

[viscid swift]

you're taking a basic, that's already shit

[hollow gust]

why are you picking up researches from other seasons too

[pseudo hearth]

Oh sorry, why don’t I choose the thing with only gear instead

[sweet delta]

A 12 hour basic no less

[viscid swift]

you get what you paid for with those, they're very time inefficient and with researches time efficiency matters

[pseudo hearth]

Because that’s all that’s available

[wind hazel]

that's actually what you should have picked...

[hollow gust]

stick to 1 seaspm, stop taking the longest possible research

[viscid swift]

Qs are actually good and you should be taking those over basics all day

[hollow gust]

12 hour Basic is the worst possible research u can pick, literally anything is better

[viscid swift]

if nothing else it's a fast reset

and they're the best for getting gear prints which long term is very good

[pseudo hearth]

I’m telling you, everything else was bad

[wind hazel]

your choice was bad

[viscid swift]

what else was in the selection then

[hollow gust]

...so unless there is 5 12 hour basics then u fucked up

[spring bolt]

even my 17 days old account is taking no more c

[viscid swift]

like, there is nothing that's worse

anything faster would have been better and everything else is faster than a 12 hour basic

[pseudo hearth]

Im trying to remember what the others were

One of them I know was the cube one

The other I think was one of the “clear bosses” one

[hollow gust]

still better

[keen owl]

Is slaimuda not updating anymore?

[pseudo hearth]

No, I’m working on the event

[zinc cave]

Doesn't matter, the C-12hrs is unequivocally the worst research in terms of efficiency

[viscid swift]

let them finish at least

[pseudo hearth]

I disagree, I’ll be at work all day tomorrow.

[hollow gust]

then queue up more???

[barren tapir]

tbf i picked up Cs when i was poor Qs when available but i also lacked plates for some time

[hollow gust]

if ur arguing that 12H is a viable research to take then we see why ur so slow

[barren tapir]

more viable than an empty slot, though that's a very low bar

[pseudo hearth]

I avoid them when I can. I’m not stupid. But if the other choices are bad, I’m gonna choose that.

[viscid swift]

and we're saying that's basically the worst research in existence

[wind hazel]

there's literally nothing worse than that, how can there be bad choices lol

[hollow gust]

nothing is worse

[atomic abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/495627283089063948/1313084603841384468/image.png?ex=6750d315&is=674f8195&hm=578c8533d2d337c74b72a4561868d631231cd6da2f5278a6a0635f20421c92e1&

You tell me

[barren tapir]

if the only other options are cube im picking C btw but any other case, if i have coins that is, im not picking c anymore

[mellow cape]

Idk how you get so many Qs

[barren tapir]

i am never gonna spend cube on research i care too much abt event ships

[viscid swift]

you'll get there, trust me

[wind hazel]

i doubt it's 1 cube and 4 C

[barren tapir]

maybe at 2-3k cubes

[keen owl]

I saw eldridge at t4 so i thought it was

[atomic abyss]

That's og Eldridge after all

Not Eldridge retro

(it's not been updated since August)

[pseudo hearth]

Yeah, and you’re acting like that’s all I pick. I literally picked it in that specific case, because everything else was crap. I don’t like to pick it myself because it takes up so much time, but it’s better than waiting for like 16 hours to reset.

[keen owl]

So thats why

[barren tapir]

yeah id argue if u truly have nothing to pick, 12hr is better than 16hr of nothing

[viscid swift]

okay another question then, what happened to your refresh

[barren tapir]

but it should be a very rare occurrence with queue

[pseudo hearth]

I had to use it before that to get the one PR5 Grant Donation

[hollow gust]

thats hardly an excuse , its not like ur a new player, those reqs are really easy to fulfil

[atomic abyss]

Ok enough with the bashing

[viscid swift]

and what was in the line up you used the refresh on?

[keen owl]

What do you Put on Eldridge?

[pseudo hearth]

I don’t remember, it was a few hours ago.

[hollow gust]

pretty mid, but good enough

[atomic abyss]

Something like this at minimum

[pseudo hearth]

What reqs?

[viscid swift]

Okay here's a tip then, hold your refresh for the really bad line ups, taking an off season face, q or g research is far far preferable to taking any basic research

[spring bolt]

rainbow twin 100 kai, gold quad mag, fp AA gun or roomba depends on contents, survival auxes or asw stuffs depends on contents

[viscid swift]

If you haven't used your refresh for the day it's not a bad thing

[keen owl]

Im gonna Fight Heavy armor Is twin 114mm good vs it?

[atomic abyss]

Eldridge gun damage is mostly non existent

It's not totally non existent
But mostly

[keen owl]

She just tank got it

[atomic abyss]

Ideally, ofc you give her the 100 kai

[hollow gust]

she is hard to use so unless u know how to sync correctly, not worth using much

[atomic abyss]

But if you have few, prioritise others

[barren tapir]

stuff like B map i guess

idk i am casual on research especially during events

[mellow cape]

Where are you at research wise? I remember you mentioned Plymouth recently

[keen owl]

My laff2 uses 100 kai

[mellow cape]

Cause Plymouth gun is so good, I just remember staying at that series just for the gun for months

[keen owl]

Is mogador gun bad?

[hollow gust]

its very very good

[barren tapir]

ruppy fs5 and like 2/3rds done with ply, havent bothered with harbin brest or chkalov cos idc about them even tho it isnt efficient

i'll collect them eventually but in absolutely 0 rush

[spring bolt]

mog gun is the best dps dd gun in game

[mellow cape]

So where are you focused now?

Goal wise lol

[barren tapir]

still pr5 i focus pr5 from the start due to waifu reason while not being too bad compared to 'meta'

[mellow cape]

Not bad, get the gun fr loll. Especially if you're not in a rush eventually they'll become coinable

[pseudo hearth]

I mean, I’m telling you guys I get terrible rolls on this. I work, and AL is on my tablet, not my phone, so when I set research to go, I’m setting it to be done when I’m back from work. I’m not gonna do the Research that uses the boss battles or the commissions because those pause the queue till you complete them, and I don’t have the time to deal with that because I won’t be able to check all day.

[viscid swift]

with the La-9 existing I'd grab 2 max including the one from the shop before jumping ship

[hollow gust]

grab as much possible LA-9s

[mellow cape]

Yepp. La9 is everywhere I might not even start pr8 unless they have some busted ass weapon

[hollow gust]

5 should be enough

[viscid swift]

I understand, everyone's situation is differet

though I will say again, bad RNG only slows you down so much

intentional or otherwise, you're not doing something right to be that far behind

[keen owl]

Should i keep washing Machine or Should i switch it with +10 Oxytorps? Doing NagaMeta with 3IJN cv + Eldridge/Kaza/Unzen

[barren tapir]

yeah true, after ply im just gonna jump straight to pr7 lol. shimanto is covered by catchup and while i like hinden she can wait until i do some pr7. tho i mostly just like halford

[viscid swift]

Unzen can survive with 2 oxy torps

[barren tapir]

oh i do need to do pr6 tho bc i like felix also

[hollow gust]

ifs shes not tanking ogc

[mellow cape]

You might get a lot of RNG for researches

[keen owl]

Eldridge on front

[viscid swift]

I reiterate, bad RNG only slows you down so much especially for ship BPs

[mellow cape]

Real

I'm already suffering from some bad RNG cause of the fates for pr6

[hollow gust]

i got shafted this year, slowed me down by a week max

[barren tapir]

probably ill be doing pr7 first for halford and daisen then swing down to pr6 (the horror) for felix and hinden then i have everyone i really like and will follow meta from there

[keen owl]

This ok for Kaz?

[barren tapir]

by then no doubt pr8 also comes out and i have new waifus

[mellow cape]

You should probably complete the series at that point cause it's going to take you a lot longer to complete future series

[viscid swift]

you could just unlock them and grind them up even on low dev levels in W12

[pseudo hearth]

LOL, I see people here posting full queues of one ship research all the time, I seriously that the bad rng is what I consider bad rng.

[hollow gust]

for every ss they post here, they have dozens upon dozens of medicore ones

[viscid swift]

a lot of those are from when people are down to only one or 2 ships left in that season

[keen owl]

Dont need airstrike timing For? VS Nagatometa
Nano/Haku/Amagi Cv
ElKai/Kaz/Unzen

[hollow gust]

screen shots are posted here for flex, for the rare moments u did well

[viscid swift]

which if you extrapolate how many people post and out of how many those poetntially are....

[barren tapir]

yeah i wouldnt take trophy room screenshots as typical lmfao. theyre posted because theyre uncommon and epic moments to flex about...

[mellow cape]

You also get increased face research RNG as you complete more of the golden prs in a series

[viscid swift]

it's cherrypicking, you're not seeing the hundreds of thousands of normal to downright mediocre line ups people don't post

[hollow gust]

[barren tapir]

much easier to get 5 plymouths if everyone else is done

[mellow cape]

Loll that's why I'll aim to rush the golden prs as fast as I can

[wind hazel]

still want to sync the CVs, but no particular timing to catch

[pseudo hearth]

My point is more so, that most people here count bad rng as “oh shoot nothing good today”. For me it’s more so “wow, finally, good rng”.

[hollow gust]

[keen owl]

Thnx

[atomic abyss]

There's a difference between bad rng and bad choices

[barren tapir]

[mellow cape]

Oof that random series rng

[hollow gust]

lucky sob

[viscid swift]

my dude, you're deluding yourself if you think you truly have the worst RNG research consistently

[barren tapir]

i keep getting no good options for pr5

[atomic abyss]

And I think

[pseudo hearth]

I reiterate, my choices are only dependent on what is available. I’m not gonna choose something dumb unless everything else is trash.

[wind hazel]

... but you did

[pseudo hearth]

No I didn’t

[viscid swift]

before you start blaming RNG, trying looking at you're doing and see where you can improve

[mellow cape]

[hollow gust]

taking basic

[pseudo hearth]

Do I need to explain this again?

[wind hazel]

this is the part where you're being stubbornly wrong about

[hollow gust]

ill rather take a useless off season then that peice of shit

[viscid swift]

like if you wanna prove you're not the issue, take a SS of every lineup you get tomorrow and note which one you took, we'll then tell you if you made the right choice or not

[keen owl]

Homing beacon doesnt subtract on displayed timing ?

[atomic abyss]

It does not

[hollow gust]

nah

[wind hazel]

right now your queue is a 17hr+12hr basic. you telling me you can't login for 29hrs straight?

[atomic abyss]

Either you maff it yourself or use an airstrike calculator

[barren tapir]

you can also post your available options here and we can tell you what to pick

[hollow gust]

the time u spent arguing here is enough to take any of the time consuming choices

[keen owl]

Its × 0.96? Is my mathing correct?

[hollow gust]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[atomic abyss]

Needless that rough beacon maff doesn't account for in-battle reload buffs like AvP

[mellow cape]

Depending on the research you take, you can also get bonuses making shorter research more valuable anyways. Loll 12 hour researches most of the time are scams

And you can take a bad short one for a better short one on the refresh

[pseudo hearth]

I’m not, and I will keep reiterating that I’m not going to do the stupid boss battles or the commissions because the pause the queue, and I’m pretty much able to set the research up in the morning before work, and then refill the finished parts of the queue when I get back.

[viscid swift]

how long do you work for, because setting up a queue to last 12 hours is not exactly difficult with good researches

[keen owl]

Got 21.86/21.89/21.80
Does it matter who is the flag for 3 ijn UR CV?

[viscid swift]

not Amagi

[keen owl]

Ok got it thnx

[pseudo hearth]

Except, like I said, I hardly get the good ones.

[barren tapir]

i will agree that luck can drastically differ in this game, that's how luck works there's an expected range but outliers can still exist

everyone constantly goes on about how much of a scam gem comms are and how they "never" pay out or some absurd ratio like 10% or less or ppl getting 10+ comms with no successes

here i am with a very consistent 30-33% distribution.

with that said though, research is at least partially manipulateable. you can select quicker researches to get faster refreshes, and you have the daily refresh to use as a last resort. so even if your luck is particularly awful, you can manage it to be less bad with some finesse.

[viscid swift]

I highly highly doubt that

[hollow gust]

its either u dont know how to take good researches or u are the opposite of Dream. Cause taking that long and claiming u have 100% uptime of good choices is a statical anomaly

[viscid swift]

like I said earlier, all Qs, Gs, and Ds would be considered good plus the 2 hour Es, and 30 minute research

[void garnet]

Do these reset or can I only ever get 10 of these boxes .-.

[hollow gust]

they dont reset

[barren tapir]

oof, no way to get those gearskins then

[mellow cape]

Bonus right there

[viscid swift]

like this line up, even if you were doing ship focus this is still good

[mellow cape]

Shorter > longer most of the time

[atomic abyss]

Ok you know what

This has gone long enough

Let's end this here

[wind hazel]

owari da!

[barren tapir]

hell nah man full Q research is great rng not the best example of a standard queue

[atomic abyss]

Neither side is going to give up

[pseudo hearth]

No one makes good choices 100% of the time, idk why you even suggested that. No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. HOWEVER, you are siting her trying to suggest that I have 80% uptime of bad choices, which I’m telling you no.

[hollow gust]

, ur picking shit research simple as that

[atomic abyss]

Enough.

[barren tapir]

listen to the mod

[atomic abyss]

You've already tried your best to recommend to him

[viscid swift]

well if you were doing ship focus specifically it would pretty much be the opposite even if it is better long term

[atomic abyss]

If he feels he's picking the best choices then so be it

[barren tapir]

wait what is bonus, can it proc on any research

[atomic abyss]

Let him do what he wants

[viscid swift]

it's just extra basically

additonal RNG

[mellow cape]

Yeah lol, it can proc on any research.

[barren tapir]

is always ship print or is it gearprint for Q bonus

[viscid swift]

I've gotten bonus La-9 prints from it

[mellow cape]

^

[barren tapir]

ooo okay i see nice

[mellow cape]

Shorter is literally better LOL 12 hour is absolutely not worth it

[atomic abyss]

Enough.

[mellow cape]

Okay sorry

[barren tapir]

3. New OpSi missions added with purchase of Secret Info Coordinate Recorder

whats this, is it the one time loggers in the voucher shop

[atomic abyss]

What part of my warning did you not understand

[viscid swift]

yes

[barren tapir]

nice nice

[mellow cape]

I mean you didn't specify who, my bad. I thought I wasn't in your target range

[atomic abyss]

[viscid swift]

good top up of gold plates

[atomic abyss]

I meant everyone

[barren tapir]

he said end the whole ahh discussion lol. it's gotten toxic and pointlessly circular

[hollow gust]

i have to much rainbows, dont care about them anymore

[keen owl]

Is UR prototype Fighter better than Skyraider?

[barren tapir]

remember at the end of the day gph can only advice and suggest, it's up to the player to follow or not, and we cant and shouldnt try to force them to listen

[keen owl]

Wait its not a fighter

[atomic abyss]

Cannot be compared directly since they don't fill the same slot

[viscid swift]

well....

they can actually and should given the relevance of flex slots on UR CVs

[hollow gust]

then its purely timing or some armor types

[mellow cape]

Is TBs all convergers?

[viscid swift]

no

[viscid swift]

La-9 as noted here

[atomic abyss]

Tenrai is best for heavy in terms of DB
You can't craft skyraider anyways

[mellow cape]

I just remember VIT and Saiun but the rest is unfamiliar for me

[keen owl]

Tenrai is pr5 or is it 6?

[atomic abyss]

Pr4

[keen owl]

Oh its 4

[mellow cape]

Seeing that list makes me think I can maybe make a single CV fleet for op si with no gear changes with LA9s

Instead of one dedicated for light/med and heavy

[stark quiver]

sure if u have like a few of them

[mellow cape]

Would be nice lol , maybe in a year

[sweet delta]

Three CVs in a fleet, just gear one CV for light, one for med, and one for heavy

[keen owl]

Is Experimental XSB3C-1 bad?

[stark quiver]

not worth the investment

[viscid swift]

no, just a really shitty investment

[hollow gust]

still have 1 at +13

[viscid swift]

it's a gold helldiver, I mean that literally, same bombs and almost the same reload

[keen owl]

I got one +13 long time ago

[stark quiver]

also, if i have 5 la9s, will hvars be kinda obsolete

[viscid swift]

no

[atomic abyss]

No, HVAR still better than LA-9 for light (somehow)

[mellow cape]

By how much of a margin?

[stark quiver]

if its not too big of a margin, maybe itll work

[sweet delta]

If you must +13 a gold DB, then choose the suisei 12a

[atomic abyss]

Considering that you can +13 three HVARs for the cost of one +13 LA-9...

[stark quiver]

what if theyre all +10

[sweet delta]

Then you calculate damage and timing

[barren tapir]

hvar total ordnance = 991.2
la9 total ordnance = 851.2

idk if i did it right tho

[stark quiver]

good enough

back during og run, did people use helps to farm hvars

[viscid swift]

Yes

[stark quiver]

cool

[hollow gust]

lmao no, the rates were high asf

[stark quiver]

grey u said you farmed to like 70k right

[keen owl]

Is improved Quad Mag Torp better than the Rainbow?

[hollow gust]

pretty sure they moved a decimal somewhere

[sweet delta]

Speak for yourself

[misty tree]

So it should be possible to farm 6-8 HVAR during rerun?

[sweet delta]

When it gets more salvos

Possible yes, reasonable ?

[wind hazel]

i didn't use help

[viscid swift]

You would really be pushing it in a week

And that's assuming they don't fix the rates

[keen owl]

Whats HVAR?

[hollow gust]

~~i wish they do ~~

[sweet delta]

/wiki hvar m

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

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https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat_(HVAR-Mounted)
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https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/F6F_Hellcat_(HVAR_equipped)

Dec 4, 2024, 5:17 AM

[plain saffron]

High velocity air rocket or something

[stark quiver]

most realistic outcome in a week with helps + upped rate is 4?

[barren tapir]

how can i best prepare for hvar

[hollow gust]

i mean tryhards can do way more then that

[misty tree]

Gotta aim for the stars, at least 6

[keen owl]

Oh the Fat Helcat

[hollow gust]

people like nao farm 100k in a week

[barren tapir]

worth 1:1ing?

[hollow gust]

dends on what u want

[sweet delta]

Do you have little mail?

[viscid swift]

If you're gonna hard farm Hvars yes

[barren tapir]

currently i have 26700 oil in mails and 6000 oil from newbie rewards

havent ever spent a mail oil yet

[sweet delta]

I don't see you being able to spend that in a week with 1:1 without like 5 rotating fleets

[stark quiver]

5 unicorns and 5 ddgs

[rough vale]

anyone know where the skin coupon thing is? I can't find it

[barren tapir]

maybe one 1:1 and rest full fleet?

[wind hazel]

what even was d3 fleet requirement

[sweet delta]

Also consider that 1:1 is slower to clear than an equivalently strong 3:3

[viscid swift]

Dd, cvl/cv

[wind hazel]

inb4 BB

oh wtf that's really nice

[keen owl]

I always Do 3:3 on D3

[barren tapir]

hm ill do full fleet then and if i am low on oil swap to 1:1 then

[sweet delta]

Chise shimakaze manual it is

[stark quiver]

maybe 3:3 is the way
got 70k oil to spend and 300 helps

[wind hazel]

topkek moment when you guys find out dev fixed the droprate

[atomic abyss]

Or guys

[barren tapir]

wouldnt that be more reason to hardcore farm it

[sweet delta]

If dev fix the drop rate then we just have to farm 3x as hard

[atomic abyss]

Let me cook
You ignore boss and just farm elites

🧠

[viscid swift]

Uhhh

[barren tapir]

pretty sure that's less oil efficient. idk about time efficiency tho but imagine manual managing that

[sweet delta]

According to community gathered data, the boss has a much higher drop rate than the elite

[viscid swift]

But that requires manually selecting nodes

[barren tapir]

according to cn drop for past golds, idk if fully applicable but according to that, boss is 4x drop rate of elite and has a 50% to drop 2

[atomic abyss]

Oil is oil

[barren tapir]

elite 1.5% and boss 6%

[wind hazel]

just farm

[atomic abyss]

That's what we did for baguette gun back in 2019

[rough vale]

plz help, I need to buy skins tonight before it expires

[misty tree]

What are helps?

[mellow cape]

It auto applies I think

[stark quiver]

so is the better strat for spending 70k oil to 3:3 or 1:1
helps are the 2x reward thing

[sweet delta]

That's what mice are still doing in 2024

[barren tapir]

i mean

can do the math if 1.5% * 3 vs 1.5 * 3 + effective 9% is more oil efficient

[wind hazel]

high efficiency combat logistic plan

[barren tapir]

also if you use helps youd want to do the full thing to maximize the gain from helps surely

tho this wont be a concern if you have a ton of them, but i dont XD

ok so elites only vs full run (just using oil cap for ease of calc)

115 oil for 0.045 prints

267 oil for 0.135 prints

[viscid swift]

Yeah....

[barren tapir]

2555 oil per print vs 1978 oil per print

and one is actually going to drive you insane given the limited time and need to micro it for hours on end

[mellow cape]

Wait how many prints for one

[barren tapir]

15 i think?

oh is it 25?

[viscid swift]

25

[mellow cape]

Brutal

[keen owl]

Which Is better for Shimakaze?

[mellow cape]

You might get lucky with 2 Aurora Lol

[barren tapir]

then it's 63875 oil vs 49450 oil for 1

also the fixed drop rate is gonna be so ass so lets hope not

[keen owl]

Thnx

[barren tapir]

i hope you guys have 200k oil saved and the time to spend it

[hollow gust]

pls be fixed, it would b hilarious for old players to be loaded

[sweet delta]

Just wait faster for it to be powercrept

[viscid swift]

Good thing I only need to farm 11 prints then for my 6

[mellow cape]

I think I just need one more too

[wind hazel]

i need 13 lol

[barren tapir]

also theres some prints in the shop iirc?

[mellow cape]

So my Enty can finally carry one

[viscid swift]

I should say you get one for free basically

[atomic abyss]

You get 1 from milestone iirc

[barren tapir]

15 prints in the shop makes you save 29670 oils

[viscid swift]

Shop and milestone

[barren tapir]

15 from shop 10 from milestone ok nice i only need 150k oil

[stark quiver]

so are the calcs really correcy
200k oil for 5

[barren tapir]

it is based on conservative rounding of old cn data for gold drop

[stark quiver]

i knew i shouldnt have bought all that curry

[barren tapir]

take with grain of salt as per usual but itll certainly be within the ballpark

also its 4 from drop + 1 for free to be clear

[viscid swift]

Maybe I'll go through and do some maths layer based on what I got

100k event points roughly for 89 prints

[barren tapir]

so if i want 4 i need to use 148350 oil which is 556 runs (278 with helps) i only have like 180 helps, can reach 270 by the rerun with opsi i hope

[stark quiver]

and how much oil is 100k pts

[viscid swift]

more importantly you only have a week to do it

[barren tapir]

556 runs is actually exactly 100k point (+80)

[viscid swift]

well no, that's inlcuding the points from daily missions, SP, and such

[barren tapir]

tho reality is 110k or so from all the missions

[viscid swift]

so those need to be factored out

[barren tapir]

i just did 556 * 180

[viscid swift]

no you didn't

I'm saying I got 100k event points total by the time I was done

[barren tapir]

ignoring morale which is absolutely gonna be an issue, 278 runs each taking 5 minutes is 1390 minutes, that's 3 hours 20 minutes per day

honestly not too bad but i hope i have enough viable ships

[stark quiver]

oh thats light
i have like 13 hours a day

[mellow cape]

That's not bad at all

[barren tapir]

maybe i should 1:1 then to conserve oil and try to get 5?

[viscid swift]

if there was anytime to do it now would be it

[stark quiver]

ill probably have my next few unicorns done by then

[viscid swift]

just level Perseus

[stark quiver]

i have her leveld

[barren tapir]

keep in mind with such low rates, the EV is not going to be something you should place full trust in

it could easily be anywhere from 100k to 300k oil to get 3 drop drops

lets just hope it's still bugged

[viscid swift]

this is probably the one event where it would be better to not do SP

[bold cove]

Sp doesnt drop blueprints?

[barren tapir]

can you even have 2 retrofitted unicorns, i feel like i remember something about you cant

[viscid swift]

it does, just not sure if the math supports it being at least as efficient as low cost D3

[barren tapir]

sp may still be worth it if you can 1:1 it

[viscid swift]

which is pretty doable so yeah, do it anyway fuck it

[barren tapir]

though its 1 extra mob battle, so itll be worse than 1:1 d3, but better than 3:3 d3

i don't suppose anyone recalls how easy/difficult the d3 is compared to other event d3s?

[stark quiver]

cheeky, will around 5h a day be enough to spend 70k oil

[viscid swift]

I don't recall anything particularly difficult about it

[barren tapir]

mostly wondering if ill be able to 1:1 without a healer, since i only got one of those

3:3 may be what i do the most tho given the time constraint

[viscid swift]

over a week, which means 10k a day, doable but you'd have to really maintain uptime because you're using lowcost fleets

you have Zuiho don't you?

[barren tapir]

i missed her event by like 2 weeks

[stark quiver]

yes, but shes way too far back the leveling line

[viscid swift]

consider bumping her up then, she is +2 CV Hit

[sweet delta]

Just get luckier than cheeky

[stark quiver]

lets see, my healers rn are,
unicorn, (2 more unicorn at lvl 50~) , perseus, volga, and thats kinda it

[viscid swift]

well I was also oil capping for all of that

[mellow cape]

Is there anything else notable in the event shop for York 2?

[viscid swift]

Skyraider

[mellow cape]

Oh fuckkk I need one

[stark quiver]

so raise zuihou?

[viscid swift]

yes

[mellow cape]

I can probably just make three fleets for this event with a healer in each team to farm

[barren tapir]

mm

i can probably do something like uni + anyone, indep + nana/neptune, and then 3:3 the rest

[stark quiver]

i can do
unicorn,unicorn,unicorn,volga zuihou, perseus
no klaudia 💀

[ebon marten]

When is reset btw?

[barren tapir]

could maybe consider uni+poikai, indep+neptune, sara+nana, then 3:3 the rest

[wind hazel]

1hr 15min

[barren tapir]

neptune and nana have selfheals so they wont need a healer if lucky

[ebon marten]

Bet ty

[barren tapir]

indep has fast load and sara has high uptime. am i thinking right?

[mellow cape]

Mmm sp does drop hell cat, any idea what rate?

[barren tapir]

it shud be similar to d3 but dont think anyone has sp rates

kinda moot since you only get 1 run a day anyway

i really hope that december UR has a cracked crossfleet, im gonna need it

then if i get yk2 early i can field 3 crossfleets to help

[mellow cape]

I'm hoping it's a Russian CV UR/DD with a slow so that I don't have to get a headache playing with nakhimov

[barren tapir]

actually should indep go with nana or neptune both of them have dmg inconsistency which sara would help out

[mellow cape]

Do you have Perseus?

[barren tapir]

nope

indep and sara are likely to be my best options for running healerless 1:1

[sweet delta]

is parallel superimposition rerun next week or next next week?

[barren tapir]

since they have good damage uptime to end battles faster

[mossy void]

Wait there's a UR rerun coming soon?

[barren tapir]

and for the vg neptune is a floating brick with heal so that should work. nana is gonna be much more debatable, she has better uptime and raw dps than neptune by like a lot but shes much squishier. but she also has a heal

[mellow cape]

Are you farming d3 or c3

[barren tapir]

this is for hvars

[mellow cape]

I know for the event LOL

[wind hazel]

hvar doesn't drop from c3

[mellow cape]

D3 has a hvar drop chance

[soft raft]

I don't think it's gonna happen period
Esp with such a tight timeframe between now and Dec UR stream

[wind hazel]

congrats you got the answer

[barren tapir]

momo could also be a viable option for healerless 1:1 but her durability is suspect, much less healing, her main thing is very good uptime on damage

[soft raft]

There's been speculation on if we're gonna have Yk2 rerun within the year

Which realistically I'm doubting

Tho ig at this rate that means it's now gonna take 3 years to rerun shit

[barren tapir]

nah its definitely 2025

if it was next week it would be announced by now i think, and it cant be the week after since that's CTA for the december UR

[soft raft]

Inb4 it reruns right after like what happened with BisZwei and NJ LOL

[humble iris]

Is yat sen worth investing

[barren tapir]

this is a definitive possibility for sure

also possible is convergence right after december UR followed right after by yk2

[soft raft]

Not too shabby but at the same time not really a high prio

Her best use scenario is after retrofit along with at least 1 DDG but at that point you'll prob have better vanguard setups

[humble iris]

so she would just stay benched

[stark quiver]

yes

[humble iris]

😢 She's so pretty

[stark quiver]

then use her if u like her

[barren tapir]

shes good enough to be used if you like her dont let the ultra top end meta dictate who you play with (at least not entirely)

[mossy void]

Do you get this from 3d dorm or what. Just realized it today

[humble iris]

But she isn't worth it

[barren tapir]

you've become meta brainrotted

[plain saffron]

Gems furniture

[stark quiver]

meta wise shes not good
but if u like her nothings stopping you

[humble iris]

and I already have better units like Helena and Guam and ancho so Idk where to use her

[mossy void]

Like do you get it if you give Sirius the expensive gem gift thing?

[barren tapir]

for campaign w15/w14/w13hm focus

im just saying, get the "can only use #1 ships" mindset out of your head and youll be a lot happier. "good ship but there's better options" doesnt mean you shouldnt use them if you like them come on now

and for the record, ectl faults or no ranks her at t0 also

[humble iris]

I mean I don't even have her which hurts me but I'll just have to wait

[barren tapir]

and suchiguma's endgame tierlist rates her as 'carries her own weight' in both w14 and w15 mob when paired appropriately

again get the meta brainrot at least somewhat away from yourself and use strong ships you like just fine

[mossy void]

What image is that exactly?

[mellow cape]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime (Not updated)
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[humble iris]

And another thing is eldridge retro better than kawakaze aug

[mellow cape]

Cn tierlist

[barren tapir]

cn tierlist for campaign w15/w14/w13hm focus first image, second for opsi generally

[humble iris]

I don't see the github tier-list with eldridge retro

[mossy void]

Hasn't been updated yet

[barren tapir]

ectl hasnt been updated since august and likely never will be

[humble iris]

Why?

[mossy void]

Iirc they will update but just will take a while. Or I'm just thinking on Sam's end of his guide updating

[soft raft]

Alot of their Evals quit and the rest are too busy with IRL stuff to have the energy to

[stark quiver]

put me in

[humble iris]

oh what an ending, but is there another tier-list which is new

[barren tapir]

most of the contributors have quit AL and the rest are busy irl

its unlikely the site will resume active operation given how much work it takes to keep updated properly

[humble iris]

So do we have a new tier list somewhere

[barren tapir]

also a certain remaining contributor when asked outright refused to put a notice saying that ectl is outdated/not being updated currently

[humble iris]

This is the only tier list I have

[barren tapir]

right here

and use your own head a little too

tier list is not the end all be all of AL

[humble iris]

woah this is very

[barren tapir]

also samvaluations is currently inactive but sam says he will be able to update and resume within the month

[humble iris]

It's so glitchy

[mossy void]

Yeah the Chinese one is glitchy for me as well

[mellow cape]

Better on desktop

Or you can download the images to open for higher definition

[humble iris]

so eldridge retro is better than kawakaze aug

[plain saffron]

Iirc buy directly

Like the gem beds

[vale spindle]

different roles
eld is for survivability kawakaze is for dmg

[humble iris]

I thought both were dd

[viscid swift]

Don't generalize capabilities based on hull type

[humble iris]

okay

[barren tapir]

you evaluate a ship based on what she can do

[bold cove]

Update gonna be tmr right?

[vale spindle]

yes go to discord events section for the 1hr warning event

then +1 hour to that

[storm heron]

any questions?

[real jasper]

how is the new META unit? Giulio Cesare META

[storm heron]

most likely fleet tech tier

[atomic abyss]

Purple meta so meh outside lv 120 fleet tech bonus

[real jasper]

oh ty, since it's free so that's as expected right ^^

[atomic abyss]

Expected for purple metas

[storm heron]

no, it's expected to meh because purple

[real jasper]

We can farm old META unit by doing opsi and fight the bosses right?

[atomic abyss]

Yes, under the dossier feature

[storm heron]

though only when they have been made available/been added

[real jasper]

I'm farming Helena META now since she looks cool, she will remain in the pools or will she will be replace sometime soon?

[storm heron]

she will stay there

[real jasper]

ok ty very much

btw, I bought a hidden zone data logger in opsi, should I use it now or I must wait until I unlock all the hidden zone before using it?

[storm heron]

you can use it now

also wdym "use"

but for sure you don't have to wait until you unlock every single hidden zones

[real jasper]

it has a use button when I click on it

[storm heron]

oh just click use then

[real jasper]

ok ty

[storm heron]

it will give you the real one

[real jasper]

oh I forgot that I will receive another Enterprise after finish the newbie mission lol

I just MLB her now, so I no longer need to do that mission right

[storm heron]

can I see your list of SR ships?

[storm heron]

oh you mean you MLBed her just now

just do the mission, it's not like you need a lot of effort

[real jasper]

yeah I just MLB her, but forgot I may get her after finish the quest

so -1 bullin for me

[storm heron]

there's also other ships like san diego from that

[barren tapir]

get someone else

[grizzled jacinth]

I need help making a fleet to clear chapter 13

[karmic pebble]

is watarase any gud

[wind hazel]

she's ok

[atomic abyss]

Better than most CLs, though not quite top tier

[storm heron]

yes good

[karmic pebble]

alright ill invest

[bold cove]

How many blueprints need to dev 30 for SR ship in shipyard, may i ask. And since the game give general pr7, it best to use on pr7 ship, right?

[atomic abyss]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[atomic abyss]

To answer your second question, yes

[elfin hollow]

I tried like 40 or so pulls to get haruna but I just can't get her. Should I just give up lol.

[hollow gust]

Well if you are low on cubes yeah

UR soon

[elfin hollow]

Down to like 90.

so weird to have all the srs but not the rare lol

[zinc cave]

depends if you value a collab ship that may or may not ever rerun over the next UR

[sinful escarp]

gameplay wise i would stop at this point and save for the new UR
if waifu just do what you want

[zinc cave]

fairly common because there's rarely enough elites to dilute the pool landing an event elite in the elite pool is harder

[crimson glacier]

it doesnt work like that

[elfin hollow]

yeah screw it haruna isn't loli enough for my cubes

[crimson glacier]

nothing dilutes event stuff

[zinc cave]

said it poorly

[keen pewter]

what aux for mushy

[crimson glacier]

same as other bbs

[keen pewter]

doesnt she use autoloader or smt

[crimson glacier]

no

[zinc cave]

niche for META boss

just run the usual

[keen pewter]

so still just fire control and white shell

[crimson glacier]

or double shell

[storm heron]

or control table

[crimson glacier]

thats just fire control

[storm heron]

wait right

[elfin hollow]

i know you're not supposed to do req but I did it a few times and got amagi. what makes requisition so bad? just the rates?

[crimson glacier]

no good ships and shit rates

[hollow gust]

Amagi just worse then ships like Nelson

[austere harness]

Is "Decrease ambush chance" stacks if both in the same fleet?

[crimson glacier]

does not stack means it does not stack

[austere harness]

but different skill name...

[hollow gust]

Also don't use them

[crimson glacier]

does not stack means it does not stack

[hollow gust]

effect does not stack

There are like what 10 different air raid assistance names , **Effect does not stack **

[elfin hollow]

but if I get all the SR ships in the medal shop and the cores and general t3 plates what else do I use medals for?

[cursive lark]

pr blueprints

[plain saffron]

Event elite doesn't share the rate with other elites

[sharp token]

what's this

dorm?

[agile sky]

r the collab characters any good? Like worth some last minute spend(cube not irl money) to pick up any missing ship or nah?

[atomic abyss]

Yes dorm furniture

[atomic abyss]

All the golds are better than your average event gold ships
But at the end of the day, not UR

[humble solar]

Is L'Indomptable good?

[atomic abyss]

Very meh

There are better french DDs

[bold cove]

Every months man

[humble solar]

I see

[elfin hollow]

i ended last month with a lot of medals leftover thats all

[eternal basalt]

Welcome to the endgame player group

[barren tapir]

depending on your needs

Ship 1 = 80
Ship 2 = 80
Gold bulin = 160
purple bulin = 300
core = 60
dr print = 100
pr print = 300

beyond that the rest is whatever

for me rn i need all so 1080/month

[opaque gate]

spearfish or wyvern?

[storm heron]

no context question be like

[atomic abyss]

Wyvern usually

[opaque gate]

ooh why? cuz i see spearfish has RP thingy

[storm heron]

wyvern is almost completely better in campaign, spearfish is better only for very niche use case like fast farming

[storm heron]

low damage torpedoes, and no passive interception like wyvern

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[crystal flume]

is houshou meta or current bp meta good?

[atomic abyss]

No purple metas are good

[crystal flume]

ah.. does that mean there r other than purple?

[atomic abyss]

Yes
All meta showdown ships are gold

There are some metas that are even from event banners like Hiei and Bearn metas

[crystal flume]

ahhhh.. so it's not all from bp I see

their mats is only obtainable through bp right..? the mats to upgrade the stars and so on

[atomic abyss]

Only for limit breaks

They're obtainable through opsi primarily

[crystal flume]

opsi?

[atomic abyss]

The enhancing materials to increase firepower etc are from operation siren

[jaunty vault]

operation siren

[crystal flume]

Ah I'll check it later then

[bold stream]

Hello all. I am relative new. I got 80k event point millage. I should stop farming event now and push world map? I already got enough to max momo. Bought 1 dropped twice and I can still buy her 2x with my event points

[zenith heron]

you barely get opsi materials like ones you need to make equipments in gear lab, but the rest like Ordinances, +13 plates, UR Plates etc. are limited to OpSi only, dw you aren't the only one who hasn't done this since the start

[atomic abyss]

You should have stopped long ago tbh...

[jaunty vault]

would buy other stuff from shop before buying momo dupes

[bold stream]

I thought so... I tried to run world 8 with full fleet and it seems like a waste of oil because of how easy it is rn for me.

[crystal flume]

haha i see.. I still don't know which is called which.. Will check it later

[atomic abyss]

Opsi is operation siren

[bold stream]

Rn, i can just run prinz with unicorn and musashi to clear...

[crystal flume]

I mean the the stuff Joe mentioned.. the item or crafting place or the plate

still thanks for the heads up

[bold stream]

Hello all. Question on the exp books. The income there is based on how many lv 100s you have in your dock?

[atomic abyss]

No it's based on how many level 100+ ships you're grinding with

[bold stream]

They need to be 100+?

[tame jungle]

Using lv100+ fills up the lecture hall

[atomic abyss]

Only using level 100 or above ships contribute to lecture hall yes

[bold stream]

I see. Okay thanks!

So, like.. is it better to run full fleet 70oil cost than half fleet with 40oil cost?

I am like trying to save oil while 3* maps... But i also want the books.

[wind hazel]

if you can clear with 40oil sure. but usually only happens on lower maps

bear in mind if you fail to clear with the 40oil, it would be a waste in the end

[bold stream]

Oka thanks! I am still at low map because of the event.. pushing world 9 atm..

[wind hazel]

you can clear and 3* it with the oil cap

[opaque gate]

is sextuple bofors better than roomba for sandy?

[jaunty vault]

debatable

more damage less range for sextuple

[opaque gate]

i want to +13 one, should i +13 roomba or sextuple?

[left cedar]

depending on strategy and local ...
mostly of time, u wanna twin 134 cuz no plane hell ...
once in plane hell u definy ur strategy, them u go for it, Sexy+gud quickly AAs or Roombas everywhere

[opaque gate]

this is for my sandy

this is to farm 13-4 easily, what should i use?

[jaunty vault]

either works, sextuple has more damage so it benefits more from +13

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, ill go for it

[left cedar]

Roomba have a better range, once in auto moves randomly around u have better chances to hit planes, but slower and still some planes can go around

Sexys have a better dmg, but lower range, so few planes can escape ur AA range and go through, but they have less chances to survive once go through ur AA Range

[atomic abyss]

Sextuple to +13 for sure

[strange sphinx]

what are the best aircrafts for Hakuryuu if tenrai and Wyvern are already equipped by other higher level CV/"CVL?

[wind hazel]

assuming for farming purposes, helldiver and breguet/barracuda

[strange sphinx]

yeah just exp farming

[humble solar]

Is it possible to just have 2 CV fleets instead of having 1 CV, 1 BB Fleets?

I'm having trouble making decision of whether I'm going to make my CV fleet anti-CV or anti-BB, and same with my BB fleet

In the first place I don't have enough decent BBs for a complete BB fleet

[coarse heron]

I just made my CV fleet general purpose

[humble solar]

How do you do that? One CV armed with parallel, others armed with converging?

[tame jungle]

what

[coarse heron]

What

[tame jungle]

no, you use good carriers for your carrier fleet and you use good battleships for your battleship fleet

[coarse heron]

For OpSi boss fleets you use all converging torp unless you forgot to switch back from parallel from doing campaign progression

[humble solar]

I see

My gripe is the hassle of switching fleet ships and equipment between campaign and opsi

I just want all my fleets to be good at both

[coarse heron]

Yeah that’s not possible

[tame jungle]

there's no one-size-fits-all approach with gear and ships (fortunately, keeps it a bit more interesting)

[humble solar]

If only I can make it so I don't have to switch equipments everytime

I mean, there's the presets, but I still have to switch em

[mellow cape]

Yeah it's possible to have 2 CV fleets and 2 bb fleets

[tame jungle]

we kinda all have to deal with switching equipment mate lol

[humble solar]

I guess I'll just follow that

[tame jungle]

you'll get used to what works and what doesn't

[mellow cape]

This is boss fleets tho

[coarse heron]

Raise a second ship with different gear

[humble solar]

I guess I'll just follow that

[mellow cape]

To cover light, med, and heavy

[coarse heron]

You’ll eventually discover the true end game is cats

[humble solar]

It's amazing to still see Enty here

[humble solar]

Cats? Meowficers?

[sharp echo]

which better?

[mellow cape]

She's quite strong but the more important fleet opsi is your mobbin

[humble solar]

134 imo

[mellow cape]

That can make or break your op si progress

[humble solar]

My mobbing opsi fleet is pretty set ig

[coarse heron]

personally, this is my mobbing fleet

[mellow cape]

Standing on business with ibuki lol

[humble solar]

Musashi - Unicorn - Hood
Blucher - Helena - Sandy

[coarse heron]

Ibuki with her augment is downright obnoxious, pretty much a screen clear

[mellow cape]

I also see Aquila and musashi

[humble solar]

Chang Chun is in a backup mob fleet

[coarse heron]

yeah my mob fleet can auto search an entire Stronghold

cause like, why waste time manualling a Stronghold

[mellow cape]

Loll your fleet is the backbone of my w15 mobber

Aquila, unicorn, and musashi

[coarse heron]

well yeah that main fleet is literally just a W15 main fleet

[mellow cape]

nice I wanna try ibuki

This is my mobber atm. Also autos strongholds but it's not as fast. Alsace is definitely really nice

[humble solar]

Is this okay?

[coarse heron]

for what

[humble solar]

For campaigning

[tame jungle]

where's your battleship

[coarse heron]

where BB

[humble solar]

Around 10

[tame jungle]

you're gonna get slapped by bomb boats

[coarse heron]

oh you DEFINITELY need a BB then, bomb boats will fuck you up

[humble solar]

I see

[coarse heron]

Also, if your boss fleet is taking enough damage that it needs a healer, it's underlevelled.

[humble solar]

Yeah I replaced Unicorn with Shinano from mob fleet

[coarse heron]

I'd drop uhhh... probably Independence for a BB

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[humble solar]

So uhh
Mob
Musashi - Unicorn - Saratoga
Blucher - Chang Chun - Emden

Boss
Vanguard - Shinano - Enterprise
Portland - Helena - Sandy

[storm heron]

:doronntktt:

[storm heron]

looks good assuming level 110 minimum

[whole crypt]

Ibuki top class now for super short fights

[tropic tusk]

The higher the friendship the higher the moral goes right? Like up to 150

[tame jungle]

lol no

[storm heron]

you can only get >119 morale through dorm regen and some niche event regen

[tame jungle]

morale naturally regens to 119 and can go to 150 in dorm for any ship

[tropic tusk]

Oh

3q

[coarse heron]

ships start with 150 morale when you first get them

[tame jungle]

and that's a 1 time thing so

[mellow cape]

Mmm looking at my ibuki and reading her skill, what kind of torp do I want to use on her?

[coarse heron]

Same as everybody else, Quad Gold Mag

[whole crypt]

rainbow quints

[coarse heron]

well if you have those, yes

[whole crypt]

the fight isn't supposed to last until you reload

[tame jungle]

torp vomit mode

[coarse heron]

yeah but most people aren't going to craft those.

[polar lion]

Rainbow quints or quad mag gold improved?

[tame jungle]

latter in most cases

[coarse heron]

yeah, either one works

[humble solar]

I wish dorm can atleast handle 6 ships for a full fleet

[tame jungle]

it can
invest your gems properly

[coarse heron]

It can, if you buy gems.

[whole crypt]

if you're going to bother putting aug on Ibuki you might as well go the whole mile

keep in mind she's double preload

[polar lion]

I dunno can she preload all 3 mob waves in Opsi?

[coarse heron]

She'll delete the entire first wave

[storm heron]

and probably second as well

[coarse heron]

by that point Unicorn's preload torpedo bombers will have dropped for the third wave

[storm heron]

[mellow cape]

Feels pretty wrong replacing Unzen with ibuki lol

[crimson glacier]

then dont

[storm heron]

or just replace your middle with unzen

[coarse heron]

This is my Ibuki loadout for OpSi

[whole crypt]

Unzen is fine in a boss fleet anyway

[polar lion]

Wut does Unzen hab for fast mobbing?

[storm heron]

also iirc rainbow trp aux increase a lot of damage for then both right

[whole crypt]

double preload

[zenith heron]

She is basically Ibuki but better, Ibuki's Augment does give some edge but would prefer Unzen on Boss then Ibuki on Mob

[storm heron]

ah yeah replace them with double UR torp aux and you'll have 30% more damage

[polar lion]

Hmm

[coarse heron]

I honestly considered that for Ibuki, tbh

"but what if I had more torpedo?"

[storm heron]

also ibuki has more hp than unzen right

[zenith heron]

Like 200-300 hp difference only

[whole crypt]

you can't overkill faster than spawn time

[coarse heron]

autoloader is always an option

[storm heron]

is the black trop making em slower event hough they already magnetic

[inland shoal]

No

[coarse heron]

no, it makes the first one do more damage

[humble solar]

This thing good?

[storm heron]

ok so if mag no more slower

[zenith heron]

Meh, I think its the Hit is the preffered reason why, than the UR Torp's Rld

[storm heron]

[coarse heron]

it causes the first wave to do 5% more damage which is quite a bit.

[polar lion]

Now how to stagger all these preloads nicely so they will explode all 3 waves?

[inland shoal]

More specifically black torp just transforms the torp bullets into normal mag torp bullets, but with 5% increased armor mods

[coarse heron]

you don't, you bring other ships

[inland shoal]

It's ok, but nothing too amazing, I wouldn't rly spend resources on it

[storm heron]

use one with fast torp like the 410 so you can clear first wave before the mag torp strike

also iirc there is a way to stagger plane loadout so rockets kill first wave, bomb second, and torp

[polar lion]

Ooo u gib ideas

[storm heron]

you don't even have the mats to craft

[humble solar]

Who should I give Type 93 Pure Oxygen Torpedo to? Subs or DDs?

I have 2

[polar lion]

Might be wurf to experiment

10s mob clear would be huge QoL for farming Opsi

[storm heron]

yea you can also optimize it by adjusting according to the Corrosion level, some C3 or C1 farmers use fp-scaling barrage preload to clear mobs in 1s, making the loading longer than the actual battle

[storm heron]

well yeah to dd when you don't think they will hold until the end of battle, idk about putting it to subs

[tame jungle]

subs you'll probably want pressure hull + snorkel
i doubt this person's in a position to start worrying about subs right now though...

[coarse heron]

flagship sub gets the oxy torp since it doesn't need the pressure hull

[whole crypt]

stronghold side boss node

[polar lion]

How many seconds?

[plain saffron]

ADDTION

[storm heron]

what is this

[coarse heron]

wait this is GPH

[storm heron]

[whole crypt]

30 or so since Giulio is deadweight

[storm heron]

do we have a speedrun category for each azur lane node

[coarse heron]

No because 99% of them would be 3-5 seconds

[zenith heron]

What makes the Champy Gun better than the Soyuz Gun? Is it the coefficient level of the Champy better via +13 than the Latter? Or is it because of its Availability?

[storm heron]

cause you can only have 1 soyuz gun

so yes availability

[whole crypt]

in hindenburg's defense she doesn't have a ring

[coarse heron]

Champog deals more damage, too
better base coefficient

[polar lion]

The entire fleet synergy would be moar important than individual tiering if we want dat categories to be useful

[storm heron]

but soyuz better damage

[zenith heron]

Damm, then I should have 13+ my Soyuz Gun first then, but hey Champy gun still top of the game (was following sam's +13 priority list)

[mellow cape]

Which one is champy gun and which one is soyuz gun so I can wiki them

[storm heron]

it probably matter less tbh, the conclusion was they are sidegrades

[coarse heron]

true, but Champog is 40/140/120
Soyuz is 40/145/110
seems like it's a bit of a wash.

[coarse heron]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)#Type_0-0
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(MK-1)#Type_3-0

[storm heron]

huh...so champog better against heavy but ssoyuz better against med?

[zenith heron]

Champy has better modifier, while Soyuz has better flat Output...

[coarse heron]

0.39s faster base fire speed for Champy, too

[mellow cape]

Tyty

[coarse heron]

yeah I can see why they're considered sidegrades.

[storm heron]

pretty sure saiuns and junkers are about the same difference

[whole crypt]

somethingsomething flandre gun timing

[storm heron]

actually nvm it's not a good idea to compare

gn vordea and gph

[zenith heron]

Gonna stay with 2 champys for now so that dem Soyuz gun will be used

[whole crypt]

intruder took 25s at this adapt

[humble solar]

Is Janus good?

Particularly for mobbing

[strange sphinx]

hmmm can I replace luna with Indep while Aquila will be replaced by YKII?

[south sequoia]

Is this supposed to be for world 15?

[rapid grail]

good to pair up with jervis for harder campaign content. Otherwise I'd opt for other options

[humble solar]

I want to pair of then with Chang Chun

[rapid grail]

for waht content is this for?

[humble solar]

I'm prepared to spend for Janus

[humble solar]

10 onward

[strange sphinx]

opsi farming mob

[rapid grail]

way overleveled stuff. give it a proper frontline w/ AA and that fleet will triumph until 13-4

[forest palm]

as long as they give Janus, and Jervis the J Crown

[wind hazel]

Yk2 isn't a good substitute for that purpose

[humble solar]

Then this fleet would be helluva expensive since I need 2 J crowns and 1 missile

[forest palm]

ya...that's kind of what you do when you commit to something like that

[rapid grail]

you can swap indep and luna based on preference. indep for a good crossfleet buff to CVs in general and luna for faster clears in particular.

yk2n though... i've tried a similar ship in hakuryuu over either indep/luna or aquila (can't remember which) and it ain't that good for one-fleet stronghold clearing, which is my standard for opsi mob** fleets nowadays

[humble solar]

Hell nah I'll just make do with Emden or something

[wind hazel]

just use other ships

[south sequoia]

do you like not have any cas

[humble solar]

Yeah, my current priority is getting black shells for my BBs

Tbh how much black shell do I even need?

I have one for Musashi

[rapid grail]

at least 3 black (and white) shells. getting up to 6 each is fine for the most part

[humble solar]

Is it fine to not get white shells if I have the yellow shells for RN ships

[jaunty vault]

for RN ships, yes

[humble solar]

I don't think I'd have a new BB soon unless I suddenly get someone good from build

[jaunty vault]

[strange sphinx]

then who can replace Aquila?

[pale shell]

What ur to mlb

[atomic abyss]

Bearn meta, chise (gridman), Impero etc

[atomic abyss]

Alsace

[trail nymph]

trying to get St Louis from here. Does anyone know if she is a potential drop from the boss only or any fleet from this stage. and the chances of getting her?

[atomic abyss]

Any node can drop her, but the boss has the most likely chance
No one knows the odds, assume it's low

[trail nymph]

ok thank you

[strange sphinx]

... Saratoga?

[pale shell]

Is alsace good for universal team or faction team?

[atomic abyss]

As with most URs, universal

[atomic abyss]

I mean you can but she lacks the preload/early airstrike

[soft osprey]

Amagi CV

[atomic abyss]

Not amagi

Impla and Yk2 already MLB

[soft osprey]

Exactly why Amagi CV. She is busted strong.

[pale shell]

What's amagi cv good for

I read her skill and it looks like it is better for faction based

[frank pulsar]

amagi cv is our current strongest anti heavy cv when paired with shinano

[pale shell]

For real?

[frank pulsar]

shes our newest ur cv ofc shes good

[pale shell]

So a backline of mushi, shinono, and m'amago is good?

[gusty olive]

Slow/stop doko?

[soft osprey]

Quite probably

[frank pulsar]

ideally youd run a stop support like implacable over musashi
however, in the case where a slow like eldridge's is enough haku is better than musashi

[pale shell]

Naruhodo
But I don't have háku

[strange sphinx]

last, I should Use DB on her Auxiliary Weapon right, also do we have an updated Tier list github?

[frank pulsar]

time to grind her out i guess, might as well since youll have to focus pr4 at some point imho

[pale shell]

Haven't finished Agir aha

[atomic abyss]

You would prioritise the Alsace to complete UR BB comp
He's only 1 star away from MLB shinano, and enterprise can be used to fill in meanwhile

[strange sphinx]

should I FS5 her before using?

[atomic abyss]

Aquila?

[strange sphinx]

bearn META

[atomic abyss]

Yes, use DB

As for Haku, Dev 30 is enough, but fs5 ideal

[strange sphinx]

opss, wrong reply gomen

hmmm so we don't have still an updated github tier list

[atomic abyss]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime (Not updated)
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[atomic abyss]

Sam's will be updated by end of this month

Refer to the end game tier for now then

[humble solar]

can we play AL on PC

[zinc cave]

Through an Emulator yes

[humble solar]

eh

my experience with an emulator is garbage

[orchid ferry]

looking for help making fleets for opsi, should I make a thread?

[zinc cave]

Yeah, make a thread and post your dockyard, someone will probably pop in

[humble solar]

what emulator do you guys recommend? Bluestacks or whatever doesnt work on my laptop

[orchid ferry]

fleet help for OpSi

[rapid grail]

depends on the emulator you used and your pc's specs
mumu player and ldplayer are good, i'm using the latter as we speak

[zinc cave]

^

[humble solar]

thanks

[humble iris]

Where can i invite ppl to help me

[humble solar]

how do I get nagato meta

[humble iris]

Opsi

[crimson glacier]

you can only invite on your own bosses

those are other ppl inviting you

[rapid grail]

play opsi -> get meta coordinates (blue one) -> use it to create a meta fight -> fight the meta bote. can ask for support from friends, guildies and your entire server

[humble iris]

I'm trying to figure how to get nagato in my list but I can't figure it

[crimson glacier]

you need to play opsi, collect chests and stuff

doesnt matter what stage

gives you these, you can get 200 per day and 1 fight costs 100

[humble iris]

ohhh thank you

[crimson glacier]

so basically just press auto on different zones until you have 200, its the daily loop

[humble iris]

How do I change my fleet in opsi

I haven't done it in so long and now all the characters in my fleet are all units I don't use no more

[crimson glacier]

go to blue port

then press this and its the top option

[opaque gate]

UvH yamato gun good?

[crimson glacier]

its fine but 457 is better on her

[opaque gate]

ok thx

[humble iris]

How do u unlock 4 fleets

[rapid grail]

play opsi until you unlock Liverpool, the British port. By then you'll unlock fleets 3 and 4

[humble iris]

Yay

[zinc cave]

These unfortunate souls starting the META at this point in time

[humble solar]

are metas powerkrept already

[frank pulsar]

if anything metas have gotten more useful recently

[zinc cave]

No, their LB material is time gated

[frank pulsar]

we have jintsuu, kirov and wichita having at least a niche now for example

[zinc cave]

If you're starting the META now you'll at best snag her but won't be able to LB her until she returns to the dossier/backlog

At least META dont take up dockspace anymore

[gusty olive]

Good luck on waiting~

Been there, done that.

[forest palm]

if you just get the first copy of a Meta you can at least Lv them to 120 for the tech they have

[fallow sedge]

How to get a very good dorm

[forest palm]

[zinc cave]

Define good

[keen sable]

buy all furniture

[fallow sedge]

Like place as much?

[keen sable]

buy

[zinc cave]

Actual placement doesnt matter, game calculates based on theoretical placement

[remote quarry]

There is a cap to the comfort level, but I'm not sure what it is. Mine is at 427

[forest palm]

no, increasing comfort is weird, and it requires purchasing furniture that may raise comfort if the piece is higher than the existing piece

there is no cap on comfort

that said xp increase plateau's at 400 comfort, so you're basically fighting for scraps

[remote quarry]

My point was, there are only so many furtniture slots, and eventually you won't be able to replace one with a higher one

[forest palm]

well, yes, but also no

[zinc cave]

[forest palm]

the simplest solution is just to buy everything you can till you hit 400 comfort, then you forget about it

[fallow sedge]

Buy as much but don't have to place it all?

[remote quarry]

I just buy everything until the store (token and gem) is empty

[zinc cave]

You don't have to place anything, just own the stuff

[keen sable]

that's the simple version. placing is irrelevant.

[fallow sedge]

Okay thanks.

[remote quarry]

Nope. I just use the themes personally.

[humble solar]

how to earn coins

[remote quarry]

grind campaign chapters

[keen sable]

12+

[soft raft]

Grind at least W9+, ideally W12

[remote quarry]

Just like in real life, Oil is just potential coins

[tawny dirge]

help me build fleets for W15 (too lazy to research)
i have everyone but unzen zwei

[soft raft]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[tawny dirge]

[soft raft]

(Also saying "I have everyone but X and Y" doesnt really help us any when we dont know what state they're in)

[tawny dirge]

all 125, the T0s

but ok I'll just visit the link

[sharp echo]

any other way to increase girls morale?

[atomic abyss]

Besides the dorm? No

[soft raft]

just go touch grass

[sharp echo]

ooff

[novel solstice]

There are occasionally events that give us a hot springs or something that raises morale, but there isn't one right now.

If your dorm is big enough to hold all of your mob fleet, it will recover pretty quickly though. A few hours and they'll be fine.

[sharp echo]

oh well i guess i'll just deal with it for once. need to repeat the event before it close

[remote quarry]

Thats why you use multiple fleets for grinding. With 4 fleets (2 in dorm), you can grind 24/7

[sharp echo]

i just started playing last weeks

[sharp echo]

how much coin 2f needed?

[zinc cave]

Floor 2 is unlocked with 500 gems

[obsidian ivy]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4RgBjBWSBoCc0EDYJwCyw%2BhEUBM6B0AHBOqTnJLUXAEQDsAJgIYudtsOYC6cYAGYEeNHAKTymaAWoEUi9GCbi51SEKj1m7Dnt4YBwUqIhaaQsNNSRc%2BeivFghGiDjA7W3Lj37HgNCYoZSYMRzD6AioKGgwNeOUIYM90XR8uQ2MtWFjXLXQhSXkldDQyx3xtNNYAI312LMEiNBEaSOIqKNK46gwhZ2Tqxm9uMayBMADwCCJTOCsIaSwwEqV2tUTEBBdVmvZfPyNms2hiKXQV6iQwZ1VlM63NYd1Do%2BMwa1nLxNwUO0QDlC4jOSQ8Xj0vgmgmEQ2kKnChQQrk6OGUTyeQ1SIwO%2BnegnIZwsq1BC2KxB6nnE5RoVUk%2BzGmX4gi0TBgoUREhiqNiqwSbhSEMZjX8NGmEGMEsEEoCZzQYAQ7TRStiChpfPRApeTFIPnGzOARGCwRVHNiGHI-M1SWC9Jxeu4TUNQ2JYV5bsulutvRt2sh%2BqMk2mOHI8BIBQk0AjBFueWx5CSoYhbydIYB4dVUdVscK8d5Sz9KYNIYgeEj0azxBzCzzuB2RWorz0jtFBD4fAAhBAAHTJDssACmGAAxvcgA

Anything I need to correct for w15

[viscid swift]

looks fine

[sharp echo]

oh crap i need to expand 2 more times before i can open 2f

[summer cove]

bro how do i get 3 stars on a hard stage? i mean i get to the point where it only spawns me a boss so i cant progress on the defeat scort fleets mission

[zinc cave]

Turn off Clearing Mode

[summer cove]

oh thanks

[vale cradle]

Whats like, the fastest way to get coins as a new player

[formal thicket]

Except from research or store, is there a better way to get blueprints for UR ships ?

[jaunty vault]

no better way than research thats for sure

[formal thicket]

Okay thanks and should i prioritize higher tier research (do they give more blueprints)? What about the ones that need cubes

[hollow sail]

unless the ship has coin catchup if so you should just pay for the prints with coins

[jaunty vault]

cube research only when you are in abundance of cubes

[formal thicket]

Okay i see

[jaunty vault]

all tiers give same amount of blueprints prioritise pr4

[formal thicket]

Ohh i see !

Thanks a lot !

[hollow sail]

research effectiveness varies a bit depending on the exact type, but the ones that focus on specific ships (they have the image of the ship on them) have roughly all the same time efficiency

also pr4 isn't really good to focus in at this point

pr4 coin catchup likely happening within 2 months

[jaunty vault]

there's no fastest way for a new player to gain coins, coins income is slow before oilcap, if I had to give advice, retire all the common dupes you get and open all tech boxes and dismantle the shit gear

[zinc cave]

New players will suffer from a coin shortage.
The short answer is farming.
The long answer is farming on a stage with an oil-cap like Campaign Chapters 9+, or for example, Stage T5 in the current event.
Also make sure you complete your dailies.
Also what cooper said above.

[hollow sail]

for agir/haku. best to hold out for that on them

and gear is going to go to gear lab very soon as well

[ebon marten]

What's the max skill lvl btw?

[vale cradle]

Alr then

[zinc cave]

10

[formal thicket]

Will coin catchup let us buy blueprints ?

[ebon marten]

Ok ty

[jaunty vault]

you directly buy the enhancements on the ship, effectively the same as using BPs on the ship
BPs can not be directly bought and used for say protocore

[hollow sail]

you can already buy prints for all gold ships on PR4, the rainbow ones probably gonna be coinable around january

[zinc cave]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research#research_project_priority

[formal thicket]

Thanks everyone!

[jaunty vault]

[eager mulch]

[tropic tusk]

Are to love ru augments good?

[plain saffron]

you need them for the ships to be 100% complete

[undone plover]

They are also free to get
No reason not to get them
But u can keep them +0 until u actually use them

[stark quiver]

i thought they were maxed to begin with

[undone plover]

That is not what I heard
I havent used them tbf

[stark quiver]

i equipped mine on lala and it said cant upgrade further

[viscid swift]

if you mean stat "rerolling" in that regards they do come maxed

but they're not enhanced, still have to pay to get them to +10

[stark quiver]

[undone plover]

Yeah they are not enhanced tho

[stark quiver]

11k coins