gameplay-help

[sweet delta]

february 2027 will only have 5 strongholds if nothing changes

[storm heron]

how is it rare

oh things like that

[wind hazel]

this guy really peek into the future

[tame jungle]

hacker

[novel condor]

Nube hacker

[spark ridge]

does pr coining reset at a different time?

[atomic abyss]

yes, 4h after reset

[spark ridge]

ah oke. wack

[humble solar]

What conventional ships can I pair with Chang Chun?

[atomic abyss]

harbin, yat sen retro

[humble solar]

I have neither

[atomic abyss]

then just use chang chun alone without other CN ships

ofc, assuming chang chun is retro...

[unique lantern]

can i finish coining azuma and then grab the bps here to make protos?

[humble solar]

No need for a main fleet?

[tame jungle]

of course you need a main fleet

[atomic abyss]

as in, just use her in a regular fleet without any thought for her chinese/russian buffing skill

[unique lantern]

who do i catch up on next then? only got pr2 and drake left

not that drake matters, i get her bps regardless of order, i have to chose from the prs tho

[humble solar]

Now I just need 800 cores for missile

[atomic abyss]

get gascogne
will be useful as vichiya tech and for fleet tech bonus

or kitakaze if you're still missing tech for hakuryuu

[unique lantern]

nah got haku, gonna do gascogne then

gasc gives vichiya? i guess, not knowing what the navy prefix is is probably vichiya

[atomic abyss]

MNF is vichiya yeah

you do need vichiya tech for flandre after all

[unique lantern]

i do have enough but like uhhh thats gonna take a while

and i doubt ill see a use for her any time soon, already have every important bb aside from bisz

[storm heron]

do flandre for the +1 fp

[unique lantern]

i dont have a single ship from that list

[storm heron]

[unique lantern]

event ships go hard

[vale spindle]

the list only has permanent options
theres been many french events so you probably got the points from that

[storm heron]

le malin gascogne la gallisionnere good for tech

[unique lantern]

sadly not at the point yet where i can worry too much about tech, i can barely sustain my coins after starting to make gear for more than one fleet and doing perma face research

[humble solar]

HOW IS AN UNEQUIPPED LEVEL 86 CHANG CHUN DOING ENEMY FLEETS FASTER THAN MY PRIME LEVEL 120 VANGUARD

[unique lantern]

once the important face researches are out of the way i can start going for that sweet main fleet rld tech first

[tame jungle]

hey you left caps on haha

[storm heron]

what is this

[zinc cave]

actual gun damage

[storm heron]

context or ban

[dusk maple]

vanguard or Vanguard?

[tame jungle]

is that how it goes in ectl

[unique lantern]

you dont have 125 vanny

[storm heron]

gets shitpostered

[unique lantern]

oh wait, that kind of vanguard

[storm heron]

wdym by doing enemy fleets? why would you do the enemy?

[loud cedar]

Between Azuma, Hakuryuu, Kearsarge and Admiral Nakhimov which should I start working on next?

[atomic abyss]

hakuryuu

[loud cedar]

Ty

[unique lantern]

ngl, those sirens---

[storm heron]

and who's prime

also what who's vanguard, and also how is Vanguard dealing lower damage than chang chun

like whaat

[tame jungle]

i'm guessing the fight ends before vanguard even fires

[zinc cave]

shocking

[storm heron]

oh I see

[humble solar]

vanguard

[dusk maple]

vanguard means frontline, Vanguard is noun

[zinc cave]

what was this so called prime lv120 vanguard

[storm heron]

prime like what, prime vanguard is 125 and oathed

[humble solar]

My solo Chang Chun does the enemy in 1 minute while my 3-ships level 120 vanguard is taking a minute and a half

[unique lantern]

crescent, comet and cygnet of course

[humble solar]

Hell, even Chang Chun's back line are garbage

[zinc cave]

i feel like we need more context

[humble solar]

Chang Chun's 2.8k power is deceiving

[tame jungle]

i don't think we have a problem here unless the problem is chang chun being good

[zinc cave]

what was the old vanguard

[unique lantern]

where does one get a thing called chang chun, and how much fleet tech until good?

[atomic abyss]

and power is a rubbish indicator of actual strength cos it's just stat totals

chang chun is in the guild shop
she needs her retrofit, her missile and her aux from core data

[hollow gust]

6.2k Musashi let's goo

[atomic abyss]

she needs 0 fleet tech to be good

[humble solar]

I forgot where I got her tbh, it's been 467 days

[atomic abyss]

she is more dependent on good gear

[unique lantern]

oh i thought chang chun was one of the ships that need loads of tech to be good, i have enough to buy the retro mat, which other gears does she need?

[atomic abyss]

her missile, and the seal of the 4 gods
both in core shop

[humble solar]

She needs the 800-core missile

[zinc cave]

Are you trying to hide something about this "vanguard"

[unique lantern]

this thing? what in gods name even is that, ive never seen such a wep type (been almost playing a year btw)

[atomic abyss]

it's a missile, used in torpedo slot

[zinc cave]

its a fancy skinned torp

[sweet delta]

contrary to what the name implies, it does not Miss much

[unique lantern]

the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't

[tame jungle]

shouldn't it be called a hittle then?

[humble solar]

Coincidentally, both Vanguard and prime vanguard are in the same fleet

[unique lantern]

i know where my next 250 core data and the one i have are going then

[atomic abyss]

i got a feeling it was just a bad fleet

[humble solar]

Musashi, Vanguard, Shinano, Portland, Z46, Emden

[unique lantern]

dont you want vanny in a triple bb fleet?

[zinc cave]

"prime"

[humble solar]

Hey, they're one of my best

[atomic abyss]

vanguard isnt really seen on campaign period

[humble solar]

I honestly thought Emden could do the enemy faster than Chang Chun

[hollow gust]

[atomic abyss]

emden is weak by comparison

[unique lantern]

emden is an iron blood buffer iirc

[atomic abyss]

she is
but it's more chang chun retro is that strong

[unique lantern]

not really a carry type ship, no?

[zinc cave]

did you put a dd gun or a cl gun in the aux slot

[hollow gust]

Vanguard is quite strong in any aa heavy worlds , tf u mean shes not used in campaign

[humble solar]

CL

The golden triple boxy thing

[zinc cave]

then its just ddg things doing ddg things

[humble solar]

In comparison Chang Chun don't have anything in her

[sweet delta]

sounds like a triple 155

[atomic abyss]

goose, would you actually recommend vanguard in campaign over most of the other UR BBs?

[humble solar]

I might just get a DDG fleet once I get Chang's sister

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

how many event points are you guys going for

[zinc cave]

This is even more confusing now

[jaunty vault]

[storm heron]

55k

[sweet delta]

so basically the changchun fleet is so bad that she is taking all the damage

[humble solar]

Missed chance to say 40k

[jaunty vault]

warhammer 69k

[atomic abyss]

few things

1. they're probably not fighting the same content
2. the second fleet is so bad that chang chun is hard carrying it

[hollow gust]

For w15 a substantial amount ?

[jaunty vault]

what do i get at 80k and what do i not get at 55k

[humble solar]

They fought same content, though the latter might as well be true

[unique lantern]

shiny box?

[zinc cave]

a funny rainbow box

[storm heron]

I think one is fighting abyssal, one is fighting 1-1

[humble solar]

Out of 7 rainbow boxes I hot 7 golds

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

so what is the same content?

[humble solar]

9-1 iirc

[storm heron]

reminds me of laffeyhuggypilow

[jaunty vault]

hug deez

[storm heron]

and berke

[atomic abyss]

yeah i got nothing

[humble solar]

I didn't assume that the chapter 10 can be done by unequpped level 80s

[atomic abyss]

firstly, where even is your healer

[humble solar]

I forgot who's CC's sister

[zinc cave]

there are 3 of them

[atomic abyss]

you're not answering the question tho...

[humble solar]

2nd fleet

[atomic abyss]

an shan is limited, so you wont have her

tai yuan's retro item is limited, so you wont retro her either

fu shun doesnt even have a retro

[humble solar]

Oh lord so I'm stuck with CC

[atomic abyss]

there is no healer there?

[humble solar]

Not that I mind since I have Ping and Ning to get buffed

[zinc cave]

Until Lunar New Year event, yeah

[atomic abyss]

ping and ning are shit without yat sen

[humble solar]

Oof

And only other empery/parliament ships I have is Russiya

[zinc cave]

No need to build around Chang Chun's skill

[atomic abyss]

^

and move hood to flag

[humble solar]

I have Shan's seal, I don't have her
I have Yuan, I don't have her seal

[hollow gust]

Jervis flag or don't use her

[humble solar]

Sad DDG noises

[atomic abyss]

chang chun is strong enough on her own

she can replace jervis there easily

[humble solar]

Can I use London as the 3rd ship in vanguard?

[atomic abyss]

why would you use a worse ship

[unique lantern]

can i use this as replacement for hphsg?

[atomic abyss]

just swap jervis and blucher
or use chang chun in place of jervis

[crimson glacier]

wtf is hphsg

[humble solar]

I have Blucher, Portland, and Minneapolis as tanks. I replaced Minn with Bluch but I don't have 3rd ship for Jervis-led fleet

[unique lantern]

high performance whateverwhatever gear

[crimson glacier]

doesnt ring a bell

[unique lantern]

[atomic abyss]

it can be used along side the gold rudder
not replace it

[crimson glacier]

its about as good replacement as any other gear with eva

[unique lantern]

temporarily, missing some pieces for the next one

[humble solar]

So uhh what order in fleet is CC

[atomic abyss]

just use 2 fleets

[zinc cave]

You'll probably be able to pick up An Shan during the 2025 Lunar New Years event
Tai Yuan retrofit item idk when it will come back

[humble solar]

Jan 29 😭😭😭😭

Gotta save up upgrade and retro mats then

[atomic abyss]

why are you so obsessed with them even

[unique lantern]

cc is so cute

[humble solar]

Because chinese

[zenith heron]

Who are currently the best Light Dealing Ships at the Moment for Vanguard aside from Aurora? The DDG's? Who Specifically?

[humble solar]

looks away from Chao Ho

[atomic abyss]

aurora's own damage is ass lol....

so Hindenburg, the DDGs

and i guess wichita meta

[humble solar]

Why are Parliament ships so beautiful

[zenith heron]

Whose the best from the DDGs tho

[atomic abyss]

tai yuan retro if in a full fleet

[crimson glacier]

coz you have bad taste

[zinc cave]

Tai Yuan i think

[atomic abyss]

if used as solo vanguard, an shan

[crimson glacier]

isnt tai still better

[humble solar]

Did I hear someone say Tashkent is bad taste?

[unique lantern]

how could you, look at those cute little huge eyes

[atomic abyss]

tai yuan loses her skill 1 so

[humble solar]

WICHITA META IS ACTUALLY GOOD?

[atomic abyss]

she is extremely extremely frail, but her DPS is ridiculous yes

[humble solar]

She looks like that girl from My Love Tiger

[crimson glacier]

idk if i would call wichita good

[unique lantern]

she wasnt frail when we were fighting her
didnt expect a meta ship to actually have a use tho except looking sick

[crimson glacier]

does she even have any use

[atomic abyss]

well the obvious, QEM

[crimson glacier]

only seen ppl use helena and kirov there

[humble solar]

You gave her a disease that made her frail

Ehem Amagi

[atomic abyss]

torva people have been using michita there since QEM got archived

and she is better than either of them at QEM

helmet's issue is she needs really good tech and gear if you want to one shot QEM

[crimson glacier]

id expect her to get fucked by CA angles but idk havent tried it

[atomic abyss]

mirov is rng

michita's issue is not staying alive

which is conveniently countered by eldridge

[humble solar]

Is Chang Chun actually spelled as Qang Qun

[atomic abyss]

[zinc cave]

how did you come to this conclusion pray tell?

[humble solar]

Yeah wrong chat sorry

[atomic abyss]

how about you check the actual changchun and tell us in #al-general

[sweet delta]

did you mean pamiat is rng?
kirov just does worse damage than helena

[atomic abyss]

ah ye

[storm heron]

what happened here, why is there a discussion about cutest shipgirl

[zinc cave]

oh kirov meta deals less than helena meta?

[atomic abyss]

for me, as someone without hinden, michita has been extremely useful

[humble solar]

Where do I put Changchun in the order of ships

[zinc cave]

squishy so pref in the middle

[unique lantern]

any of these actually useful (except the 2 with 500hp) also what is the crowns (tiara or whatever) effect even

[zinc cave]

1. not really, mostly sidegrades
2. A U R A

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

[unique lantern]

ah, glow in the dark, got it

i might have asked this before but not gotten an answer, but what does the +30% mean, its not even reflected in the stats

[wind hazel]

DD mlb bonus

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dockyard#Limit_Break Full list here

[unique lantern]

really like how fast and readable this bar is, if i havent forgotten what the text says before it arrives at the end

[crimson glacier]

yep UI in this game is pretty awfully made

[atomic abyss]

prolly cos it was made for the shorter CN/JP text

[sweet delta]

missing laudaxieu, it seems to be even more outdated than ectl

[unique lantern]

skill windows were probably not designed to hold 3 essays worth of info tho 😂

[zinc cave]

augment modules somehow being infinitely more readable than the small ass skill info window

[vestal glen]

1 week with no event, what do ppl usually do to grind for cubes or coins?

[opaque gate]

izumo gun worth +13ing for musashi?

and +10 izumo gun, or +13 champy gun for musashi?

[unique lantern]

doesnt musashi want the twin 410 kai to proc her skill?

[prime glacier]

Hi! Is there a very big difference between lvl 100 and 120 ship?

[crimson glacier]

champ gun is just worse version of izumogun for musashi

[opaque gate]

so izumo gun>+13 champy?

[unique lantern]

looks like around a 10% hp and 5% stat increase for most ships, which is huge

[crimson glacier]

20 levels is 40% dmg and 40% dmg reduction

[unique lantern]

what, levels give hidden stats?

[sweet delta]

against level 120 enemies, the level 100 ship is dealing 60% as much damage and receiving 140% as much damage as the level 120 ship through level difference alone. Not even counting the stats yet

[crimson glacier]

level difference does that

[unique lantern]

oh that ye, i thought it only went into the below the enemy direction

[zinc cave]

Daisen gun

[unique lantern]

can you speak in names an unversed player understands, i also have to gear my musashi and want to extract potentially useful info here

[spring bolt]

started on Nov 17 so 16 days old
made sandy aug, only got 2 blue aug from weekly, now i still have 11 cores, 150 blue exp stone, 103 purple, 4 gold
8 gold mod stone, 16 purple
did 2 weeks of lv35 thou i should have waited and do 75 this week
bought every aug mat in event store

[bold cove]

Normal farm 12-1, 12-4... Clear hardmode if not done it yet, clear up opsi map

[opaque gate]

should i just +13 izumo gun for the meantime for musashi?

[zinc cave]

Twin 410mm mod.A Prototype bb gun from PR7 research

aka Daisen gun

[opaque gate]

cuz im still focusing pr4

[sweet delta]

i would take a +13 champ gun first. Because musashi won'te even be always using an AP gun

[prime glacier]

Still not what I expected. My lvl 120 Soratoga seems to do a ton of damage, and the other ships can't even come close, both in Mob fleet and boss. Enterprise and Shinano do around 10% damage of Saratoga's damage. Only Unicorn deals some significant damage.

Graf Zepelin, Tirpitz and Peter Strasser barely do any damange. Do I do something wrong? I use the community tierlist to gear them

[opaque gate]

i see, for HE, which gun is good for musashi?

[tame jungle]

twin 410 or the gearlab 410

[zinc cave]

Twin 410mm (3rd Year Type) Kai

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[zinc cave]

There's arguments to be made for others but that's the best general use

[unique lantern]

the bottom one here then, im just using the middle, the bottom is better for what exactly?

[zinc cave]

Syncing bb salvos without using an Autoloader

[unique lantern]

ah

[zinc cave]

Since musashi is a little slow

[opaque gate]

so for musashi, i should use my +13 champygun>+10 izumo gun for ap, and 410 for HE

[sweet delta]

youre playing content that's too easy. the battle is over before enterprise, shinano, graf, peter, tirpitz can begin attacking

give the +13 champ to someone else like your level 125 izumo

[zinc cave]

you have the +13 champy gun already?

[opaque gate]

yeah

[zinc cave]

what sushi said

[prime glacier]

I saw this in the lvl 15 Meta fights, in which I barely survive and deal only 10% damage

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, so ill just use izumo gun, ill try to +13 it while idh daisen gun yet

[zinc cave]

its fine to not +13 gear and just save

[opaque gate]

i feel bad for yamato gun lol

is it totally not worth it for musashi?

[sweet delta]

izumo gun isn't much worse than daisen gun

[zinc cave]

but if you had the choice between either might as well save right?

[sweet delta]

depends on the next URs

[zinc cave]

aish true

[opaque gate]

ok ill try to +13 it just to minmax, pr7 is wayyyy too long of a stretch for now in my case

[sweet delta]

when will pr7 gear be added to protocore?

[opaque gate]

oh yeaa there isnprotocore

anything good for musashi there? other than izumo gun

[zinc cave]

nay

you already have what you could get there

[unique lantern]

i have a better question, when will protocore shop give 25 instead of 20 buy limit so i dont have to wait a month for 5 bps

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[hollow gust]

Then you aren't equipping your ships correctly, there is no reason for your enty not to be highest damage

[prime glacier]

One sec I will show the builds

[jolly spruce]

How do i get more medal of honor?

[unique lantern]

retire rare+ ships

[prime glacier]

retire ships

[sweet delta]

june so you won't be getting daisen gun from protocore anytime soon

[jolly spruce]

I need it for prototype ships somehow

[zinc cave]

explain?

[opaque gate]

for +13, does OPSI dmg boost the only good thing for bb guns?

[jolly spruce]

Ty2

[jolly spruce]

Like the thing u need for limit break

[hollow gust]

Brother your enterprise is 20 levels down

[unique lantern]

enty no augment, lower level gear, 20 levels below immediately visible diff

[zinc cave]

The Level X Damage Modifier boosts the hidden gun %coefficient so while the actual damage number on the gear doesnt go up past +10, the damage is still being increased

[opaque gate]

i see, thanks

[prime glacier]

didn't you say a 5% diff in stats?

[unique lantern]

did you ignore the other 3 people answering your question

[hollow gust]

Each level is a 2% difference

[zinc cave]

wiki has a detailed listing of this information fyi

[hollow gust]

That's without the consideration of stats enterprise loses from not being 120 , ofc a lvl100 enterprise is losing to a oathed 120 Saratoga

[unique lantern]

why are the planes only targetting my musashi 😭

[hollow gust]

Read her skill

[zinc cave]

skills.

[prime glacier]

Would shinano be able to compete with the two in damage?

[reef flume]

Cuz of her plane eating skill

[unique lantern]

i just want to level her and she keeps losing morale from sinking 😂 i guess im giving her a repair kit then, even tho shes carrying the dmg

[hollow gust]

each level is a 2% difference , **lower levels are stat losses ** , not to mention she probably won't have sakura friends

[atomic abyss]

maybe bring a 2nd carrier

[hollow gust]

And you gave her worse gear too

[prime glacier]

So time to invest in Enty

[fallow sedge]

Anchor about to replace roon is it good choice?

[hollow gust]

Well level all your ships

[supple wing]

Is there a sort of beginners guide for things like formation building and other useful things? I’m kind of just winging it because a lot seems confusing.

[hollow gust]

Should be making a 2nd fleet already

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[supple wing]

Tyvm

[tawny ermine]

who should i start lvling up for bosses

[storm heron]

gn celerio and gph :smolmagisleep:

[jaunty vault]

gn nitroless turtle

whats EX armour

[wind hazel]

heavy

[jaunty vault]

thanks

[hollow gust]

Oh shit that's why it took so long , I was using rockets , I thought it was med

[wind hazel]

n00b

[left cedar]

GPH big brain time

[dreamy blade]

worth it to try and get scharn for farming fdg xp? I only have graf zep and gneis (both mlb) and a 0LB bismarck that I'd rather not use bulins on

[wind hazel]

i would say yes, you will need the IB tech anyway

[bold cove]

Yes, fdg need iron blood main fleet, put 2 Iron BB and unicorn in there for mobbing

[tame jungle]

no need for unicorn when farming pr in 12-4

unless your ships are severely underleveled and you're also dragging shitters in the frontline

using uni while farming main fleet xp just removes one slot worth of xp

[coarse heron]

I usually bring one carry per fleet for 12-4 farming
because sometimes I'm leveling real fucking shitters

[wind hazel]

what the...

[dreamy blade]

tbh i do the same

[wind hazel]

you shouldn't

[dreamy blade]

well that and also im starting to run out of main fleet ships i want to level

[wind hazel]

can drop to 12-1 if 12-4 is tough, especially if your vanguard AA is lacking as well

[dreamy blade]

is 12-1 lethal even that much easier than 12-4 safe

[wind hazel]

i assume so

if you're gonna be grinding IB backline, it's gonna be pretty shit with 2 BC and Graf

i'd just avoid 12-4 with that shitty lineup

[dreamy blade]

guess im not really in a rush since i'll be coining roon for awhile

[prime glacier]

worth investing in her?

[wind hazel]

only for her lv120 tech

[prime glacier]

worth using these? last one is for DR7

[wind hazel]

no

[bold cove]

no

[prime glacier]

are others that are worth lvling?

[dreamy blade]

nagato meta is decent if youre lacking better BB options

[wind hazel]

im not sure i understand your question

[bold cove]

Dont use Blueprint for Coin up ships

[wind hazel]

if there's DR2 blanks, use them.

only from series 2<--- important

[dreamy blade]

helena meta is also good compared to the rest of them

[prime glacier]

I have warspite finished, hood and working on FdG

[bold cove]

Warspire worth levling to 120, those Hit tech

[wind hazel]

Nelson is a good, accessible BB you can work on

[prime glacier]

And also helena

[prime glacier]

i have her MLB and retrofit

[zinc cave]

yes

[wind hazel]

you're fine then, hood and nelson good enough

[bold cove]

can i use blueprints after that ships already fs5?

[dreamy blade]

nelson and hood are enough to last you until you get UR/DR upgrades

[wind hazel]

well it would be pointless, other than turning them into protocore

which you probably should if they are all at fs5

[bold cove]

yeah, i want to turning them into protocore, i spend alot of combat data pr 1 😦

[prime glacier]

Nelson is fleet or boss?

[wind hazel]

your case, hood mob, nelson boss

[bold cove]

where can i find which stats fleet tech pritority

[wind hazel]

lemme ctrl+F

[coarse heron]

is there even a priority list
I thought it's just like, "play the game"

[bold cove]

ah no, just ships give good fleet tech stats, so i can save them to levling 120

kinda tight on dock space

[dreamy blade]

bb rld hit fp
cv rld hit avi
the rest

[coarse heron]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#Level_120_Stat_Bonuses well that's just this page and knowing which stats you want

[zinc cave]

BB: RLD > HIT > FP
CV: RLD > HIT > AVI
CA/CB: EVA
CL: EVA

[coarse heron]

but uhhh pro tip: You can safely skip all AA stat bonuses

[zinc cave]

https://retropaint.github.io/azur-lane-fleet-tech-tracker/

[dreamy blade]

asw tech

[bold cove]

ah okay, for vanguard, just focus on EVA, backline is RLD > HIT > FP/AVI

[coarse heron]

for DD you'd want the very rare FP tech

well not rare so much as important

42 ships give FP tech, but considering some DDs have less than 100 FP to begin with, that's a big boost.

[bold cove]

hmm so, no hood, Illustrious, Formidable for 120...

[prime glacier]

worth putting he main gun on nelson HE if i use her for boss?

[tame jungle]

depends on the boss

[coarse heron]

You'll need Illustrious for W15
not in the main fleets but in the support fleet.

[bold cove]

ah i see, ships in the same class mostly give the same 120 fleet tech stats

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 scrolled so far to find readable one

also isn't zuyi a mod

[dreamy blade]

you'll eventually want to 120 them for the hms tech anyway

[bold cove]

well i can get rid of alot ships

[bold cove]

saved it, thanks you

[wind hazel]

well you'll probably still wanna 120 hood since you'll be using her a lot

unless you have really solid BBs ready to go

lv120 still give faction tech

wait it does right

[bold cove]

idk man, i got fdg, musashi, odin, richi, izumo, nagato meta MLB

[zinc cave]

yes

[wind hazel]

ok

[zinc cave]

it gives the most out of the 3

well i just checked and was immediately proven wrong on that above statement

[wind hazel]

yeah i guess you can uh... give hood the cold treatment

[whole crypt]

the most tech is MLB

[prime glacier]

should I lvl shinano or Enty? they are 100

[wind hazel]

both

[bold cove]

both

[zinc cave]

I used Azuma as a random check and she has a higher Tech bonus at lv120 for some reason

[dreamy blade]

they are both worth leveling even to 125

[bold cove]

well, my hood already mlb, i guess i leave her there in the conner

[zinc cave]

why are you like this Azuma

cant believe i picked the one anomaly for verification

[wind hazel]

new augs inbound,

yubari
saint louis
roon
bogue
houshou

[trail nymph]

I bought a exp pack yesterday and it showed I can buy it 3 more times but I cant seem to find the place to buy it again i checked the shop multiple times

[wind hazel]

main menu>black friday>shop>coin shop, perhaps

this the one?

[zinc cave]

time to pray

[wind hazel]

roon tier ex

[zinc cave]

augment strength gacha is the real gacha

[trail nymph]

thanks so much 🙂

[zinc cave]

dunno why they put the tabs at the bottom

[wind hazel]

yeah i missed them day 1, didn't know there's gem and coin shop

[dreamy blade]

is tomorrow the last day for the event?

[zinc cave]

1 more yeah last day

[coarse heron]

Yes, Wednesday is the last day of the event.

[dreamy blade]

perfect i'll hit 55k off another day's worth of missions then

[gilded carbon]

is 2x gold steam catapults good aux-equip for Carriers?

[tame jungle]

it's the standard

[gilded carbon]

oh, then. I will re-equip them. Initially, i was unsure of i could equip the same aux twice on a ship. But, it seems so

[zinc cave]

it will make it obvious if you cant equip two of the same

[gilded carbon]

noted. Are some Carriers an exception? Like, ones who want to launch as often as possible? Like Uni?

[tame jungle]

main exception is when you want to synchronize strikes around a stopper

[zinc cave]

not a straightforward answer to this, its situational

[dreamy blade]

uni does not want to launch as often as possible just for the heal if you are sacrificing damage for it

[tame jungle]

unicorn is fast as hell anyway

[gilded carbon]

there are several aux that can increase or decrease launch-times. I assume you sync using these, wich i currently do for my AvP - Enty- Amagi CV. Thelatr using the launch-speed increasing one to launch just before AvP

[zinc cave]

you can use both different aircraft and those gears to adjust timings, just know which aircrafts are worth using to sync/adjust

[dreamy blade]

there are tools available to help with this like https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[zinc cave]

the two most common scenarios of adjusting timings would be because of

1. bossing, syncing salvo times to land close together, usually to take advantages of buffs and slows/freezes
2. mobbing, to stagger salvo times apart so you dont overkill the enemy spawns (usually not worth using the ±4% gear for this)

[dreamy blade]

afaik the typical timing adjustment is swapping between ryusei/vit-2/junkers/saiun kai

[gilded carbon]

currently, they are used for Boss- aka Nagato Meta. But, the barrage does a lot of work there

[trail nymph]

I just got the medal from the To Love Ru event what does it do?

[zinc cave]

Dorm cosmetic/momento

[trail nymph]

ahh okay thanks

[spark ridge]

for pr'ing, after i finish FdG (develop gonna take way longer to coin), what should i do next? ive done a couple PR1(done as in 1 full dev other not but cant be bothered with them atm), working on anchorage and AvP from pr4. should i randomly do like a pr3? or should i just start on brest. after that, what should i do, pr6 kearsage while i tyr get the ships to get admiral catgirl? Or is it a terrible idea to do so many consecutive DR, and put in some random pr ships in between. the only ones i really want to get are brest and catgirl

[coarse heron]

after FdG and Anchorage it depends on what you need for your fleets.

[zinc cave]

If you want to be efficient with your time, the question to consider would be, what is missing in my fleet or, what is a type of unit that I could use more of

For example Agir and Brest are notable tanks, Seattle and Cheshire are AA carries, Plymouth is a BB support

[coarse heron]

Seattle is an AA carry in the same way Curlew is.

[zinc cave]

Or you can just get whoever you'd like. This is not a wrong choice.

[bold cove]

same question, do i need full 4 fleets for opsi?

[coarse heron]

yeah after you're done FdG and Anchorage, just pick anyone
there's no real wrong choices (except Marco Polo she's so bad )

[spark ridge]

yeah aiming for brest and catgirl cus i like them, but njeed some others to pad in between probably (well def for catgirl unless we get some event)

[dreamy blade]

if you specifically want to work towards nahkimov then chkalov/marco polo/napoli for np/sard tech

[zinc cave]

The stronger you are, the less they become necessary

[dreamy blade]

using all 4 fleets is usually just for arbiter

[bold cove]

hmm thats mean, just 2 fleets for mob and boss, then focus on gear?

[spark ridge]

i have no clue what i need, bc half my ships, esp vanguard, i use bc i like them not bc they fill a role or anything

[zinc cave]

The most important thing is Arbiter and Abyssals where you can't just leave, heal, and come back, forcing you to clear with your 4 fleets

[crimson glacier]

usually theres 3 fleets in opsi

[coarse heron]

most people use 3 fleets, 2 specific types of boss fleets, and a mob fleet

[spark ridge]

ill make a thread post my ships and can ppl tell me what im really lacking lmao

[crimson glacier]

mob, BB boss and CV boss

[coarse heron]

the 4th fleet can just be "random bullshit go" if you want to experiment with stuff in OpSi

[zinc cave]

Mob Fleet
BB Fleet for Bossing
CV Fleet for Bossing
Flexible Fleet

[dreamy blade]

ships with crossfleets that dont fit in the others

[bold cove]

BB fleet is 3 BB or 1 CV 2 BB?

[coarse heron]

3 BB

[bold cove]

ok i think i know what im missing

[zenith heron]

I was expecting a 4th fleet considering that would either be either the Cross Fleet or another CV for Light side

[bold cove]

well, have to wait till next UR to decice, in the meantime ill dev ship for fleet tech

[zinc cave]

Fleet 4 CV for Light/Med is a common choice

[spark ridge]

Who to research next

[zinc cave]

[zenith heron]

The best Back Line for that is either Kear-YK2-Impla or Yk2-Impla-Enty?

(Haven't build one for that bcs Kear is Dev 26 and I have no Good Vanguard against Light except a dev 30 Hindenburg)

[quartz jungle]

Implacable would usually be in the Anti heavy CV fleet

[strange sphinx]

Should I research Hiden after shimanto?

[quartz jungle]

So Kear-Yk2-Enty/Hornet II/Shangri La

[zinc cave]

Usually
Kear-Yk2-AvP (when Implacable not available)
Kear-Yk2-Nyakhimov (needs NP slow)
Kear-Yk2-Enterprise (no slows available)

any CV with good Fighter slot/count can fill in Enterprise but most people have her

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't be too fussed to get NP slow with Nakhimov on a primarily rocket output if the vanguard options are bad

[sharp echo]

should i make this?

[whole crypt]

not a priority

[sharp echo]

currently have 9 core

[whole crypt]

some unique augs are a significant improvement to those specific ships, but generic augs are just a bit more stats

[sharp echo]

but i think i should skip these and only make yellow one right?

[whole crypt]

even some unique augments are pretty bad

don't worry too much about augments for now

[gilded carbon]

The Tierlist should have some more comments on unique Augs for every ship

[whole crypt]

more like unique augs only really matter for ships that are tagged with augment

the aug desc text isn't quite up to date but the tags are

or at least more updated than text in general

[compact helm]

anyone have the walkthrough for the lala pipe minigame im too dumb to complete it

[zinc cave]

tap the logo 5 times to skip if you refuse to brain it out.

[compact helm]

thanks you are life saver

[prisma saffron]

yo anybody got the doc with the equipmnt guide incxluidng the new ix ship

[zinc cave]

dunno what u mean by the latter but

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[stuck beacon]

in the guild shop I should buy only unicorn helena and portland?

[ivory pawn]

Pennsylvania too if you don’t have a battleship yet.

[pliant acorn]

What chapter drop's carrier as rewards?

[eternal basalt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ship_Drops#Story_Maps

If just regular for enhance all I think... or event

[pliant acorn]

Thanks,im using those to enchance my ships

[eternal basalt]

All bar chap 1 it seems

[elfin hollow]

since i've already max the limit break a sr ship
what should i do with the duplicate one

[zinc cave]

If already MLB, just retire

[elfin hollow]

i thought i could use it for any other reason

[strange sphinx]

.... you can do that?

[zinc cave]

[zinc cave]

There's no real benefit to keeping them apart from retiring.

[strange sphinx]

... Brute forced it

[zinc cave]

Maybe if you want to show off the same ship with different skin in secretary

[zinc cave]

You mean the intended way of interacting with a puzzle

What is this madness

[whole crypt]

ooh JP patch notes

Saint Louis augment pog

[pliant acorn]

This one????

[whole crypt]

yes just keep tapping it

works for both solving the tiles and connecting the lines after

[zinc cave]

I can't tell if people are too lazy or really struggling to solve the puzzle.

[pliant acorn]

Im both lazy and dumm

[strange sphinx]

the placing is hard

[eternal basalt]

19th UR

[novel solstice]

Oh, what kind of ship is it?

[zinc cave]

An UR

(we have no further information)

[novel solstice]

Ah, ok. They're doing their usual lack of info. Sad.

[zinc cave]

likely drops next week

[whole crypt]

is there some reason we didn't expect the UR to be 19th to start with

[eternal basalt]

The short 2025 time mostly

[whole crypt]

I'm fairly sure that was my expectation even before collab date was confirmed

[zinc cave]

last event usually lands around 3rd week of december

[eternal basalt]

And hoping Blucher rerun

[zinc cave]

not sure why ppl were expecting something else

[ocean fog]

how many gold we could stack?

[whole crypt]

600k

[zinc cave]

^ hard limit

[ocean fog]

ah still a long way~ time to grind that half a million

prep for future events

[zinc cave]

[strange sphinx]

not even faction?

[zinc cave]

Next week.

You can start speculating then

[ocean fog]

Hms please~

[novel solstice]

We do need a UR Royal Maid for the maid harem...

[ocean fog]

PR HMS Habakkuk when

[whole crypt]

oh new classified logger for OS, it's been a while

[eternal basalt]

Just one sadly

[whole crypt]

could use the gold plates regardless

[eternal basalt]

~~Wiki still doesn't contain lasts lore ~~

[whole crypt]

there's going to be another 30-print thing for PR, who was the last to get one

[zinc cave]

plymouth

[pliant acorn]

Just seen this on the Al chinese account. They updated the age lmao

[ocean fog]

well, with the hard suggestive arts nowdays,i agree

[humble solar]

What's the catch of Main Fleet vs Vanguard mode of Chang Chun

[zinc cave]

Main Fleet is useless is the difference

[whole crypt]

we finished with PR5 yet? or which ships haven't gotten one

[sharp socket]

main fleet mode is useless

[eternal basalt]

Only Harbin left

[whole crypt]

[zinc cave]

yeah harbin

[novel solstice]

It's not really a "catch", it toggles her between being in the front versus being in the back. But you almost always want her in vanguard mode.

[humble solar]

Do I still take it? Or can I freely switch

[zinc cave]

The option exists so you can switch, leave it

[novel solstice]

You can switch, but just leave her in vanguard mode.

[ocean fog]

I haven't finished any PR since Iris of Light and Dark event 😂

what the hell am i doing this whole time. . .

[rain hearth]

isn't the super low luck of priority ships a problem?

[whole crypt]

not if it's a great ship regardless and you can't change it

[ebon storm]

Can i get hakuryu bp with coin

[humble solar]

where ccan I farm cores

[eternal basalt]

Which kind of cores?

[zinc cave]

where is this? bilibili is still tagged 16+

[humble solar]

the ones in shop

the one you use to buy stuff

[zinc cave]

there are several things with "core" in the name, please specify further

[eternal basalt]

Data Cores? HARD mode

[humble solar]

thanks

[eternal basalt]

Specialised core... everything

[pliant acorn]

Chinese fb page of azurlane

[eternal basalt]

There's also Prototype Cores

[barren tapir]

only up to 3 months ago though

[novel solstice]

Didn't China make them censor a couple of skins (NJ's bunnygirl, I think?). They might have decided a higher nominal age rating means less censorship, and under-18s will know how to download it anyway.

[eternal basalt]

They have censored for 7 years

[barren tapir]

2 week break

[zinc cave]

There's no reason to jump to 18+

[barren tapir]

plenty of time to do c1

[eternal basalt]

The deletion of ships is harsher

[humble solar]

unless they give us scenes in the private quarters

[gilded carbon]

is there a problem with the Tierlist? Or are people just busy, wich i can totally understand

[ocean fog]

my phone goes boom

[zinc cave]

Most of the contributors quit

[sharp socket]

ectl is losing support iirc

[gilded carbon]

oh. I see, my bad

[zinc cave]

Snowbreak will get there first if anything

[sharp socket]

the replacement is whatevers left of it and gph

where people mostly have the same opinion on most things not meta

[ocean fog]

meta is not much of a thing anyway in this game

[forest palm]

that's just wrong lol

[viscid swift]

it definitely is, just about how much you choose to throw yourself into it

like if you never progress past W12 and don't touch OpSi sure it really doesn't

[zinc cave]

~~I want to throw myself into Helena META ~~

[viscid swift]

oh another logger, nice

[atomic abyss]

They are not "supported" because

1. Most of them have quit the game
2. They are too stubborn to get off their high horse and admit that they're lazy/no longer willing to update

[ocean fog]

i mean most effective tactics available

not META

[eternal basalt]

Can do OPSI full ignoring all meta

[forest palm]

again you're still wrong

[whole crypt]

even if you touch OS it doesn't really matter unless you're shooting for oneshotting harbs or whatnot

[viscid swift]

we knew what you meant

[ocean fog]

i could get average ship and get the results

[humble solar]

chang chun is wiping the floor even unarmed wtf

[barren tapir]

oh no its very much of a thing, what is true is you can ignore it in the majority of content you'd spend time on. but for actual endgame shit it is very relevant

[atomic abyss]

If you wish to attempt the "hardest content" in the game
Meta is a necessity to follow lol

[ocean fog]

true though

[viscid swift]

oh really, let's see you clear the likes of W14 and W15 with that then

[gilded carbon]

i didnt wanted to open a can or worms here, my bad

[barren tapir]

even with opsi if you dont care about doing good on meta showdown or finishing harby you can use most anything given good enough gear and at least semi competent team composition even with bad ships

like standard opsi stuff like strongholds, hiddens, exploration literally anything works, abyssals is slightly stricter but top end gear can carry most ships in a fleet that isnt completely 100% random bullshit go

[eternal basalt]

You can do both those throwing 4 fleets at them And META showdown just do it twice/support

[sharp socket]

meta exist for w14 and w15, harbiter, and optimisation everywhere for faster and/or easier clears

[barren tapir]

and for meta showdown just let other ppl do it for you if you arent interested in going to 70k you can very easily and casually hit 25k solely by mooching off people hahaha

[forest palm]

only reason you don't feel the meta in this game is because of how easy to is to just copy past builds that work for the given content

[whole crypt]

doesn't help that the tier list was never centered around meta and just "generic" rankings, it makes the TL arbitrarily harder to update in a relevant state

[atomic abyss]

Well as such I've done this

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹'Samvaluation' - Brief evaluation of new ships by samheart564
🔹Rankings for End Game Azur Lane - Applicable to all forms of late game content (W14/15, META Showdowns, OPSI, CM) by Suchiguma
🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List - Applicable to early-mid game content (campaign up till W13) by Riceist & Slime (Not updated)
🔹CN tier list - by NGA Forum

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[barren tapir]

but yeah meta affects you based on how much you want it to affect you and what you care about doing in the game. top end is absolutely meta defined but it can be ignored if you just do easy stuff which is what most players do anyway

[sharp socket]

nimi update

[whole crypt]

oh nice jinghao and yunqi just updated

[atomic abyss]

I already got a direct answer from rice that their team can't even be bothered to put a disclaimer saying their stuff (i.e beginner guide) is outdated lol

[barren tapir]

tbf it shud also mention sam is currently busy and not updated samvaluations in a while

[atomic abyss]

Sam said it'll be all updated by end of the month

[barren tapir]

ohhh okay

[atomic abyss]

So I chose not to input it in

[barren tapir]

ectl could take a leaf out of his book

[whole crypt]

oh wow they rated Zuihou next to Unicorn?

[atomic abyss]

Ultimately ECTL is still there as it is still mostly accurate for pre w14 content

[soft raft]

You mean pre retro Unicorn right
Cuz no shot she's TEX

[sharp socket]

gonna be testing zuihou for w14 mob

[whole crypt]

don't ask me ask jinghao and yunqi

[forest palm]

ECTL has a questionable fleet maker, a heavily outdated beginners guide, and the ship tiering themselves are questionabel

[nova halo]

when will the next UR comes guys?

[soft raft]

She's basically a Aquila/Volga downgrade

[viscid swift]

19th probably

[atomic abyss]

Maybe the end of this month
Maybe next month

[nova halo]

ty

[whole crypt]

most likely 19

[barren tapir]

id assume its specific pairing like uni + zuihou

still kinda odd bc aquila is probably better/safer

[viscid swift]

huh, Roon and Saint Louis getting augments in the same patch is interesting

[sharp echo]

these exclusive for to love ru ships only?

[barren tapir]

or like, uni best primary healer and zuihou best secondary healer is how i guess at it

[eternal basalt]

Next month no, Feb is already the next NEXT UR

[sharp echo]

awww

[atomic abyss]

Saving monarch for last eh...

[whole crypt]

my guess is Zuihou is put up there for being more reliable main fleet healer than Unicorn, and you can top up your vanguards with sub healer too

[barren tapir]

which seems a bit off, altho i mean zuihou has good heals she just has low ahh damage and is literal paper

[ocean fog]

that is augment gear. . . so yes

[barren tapir]

it's also a w15 centric tierlist, so keep that in mind (the first part, second is opsi related stuff)

[sharp echo]

used one on darkness, and yet to get lala ship

[sharp socket]

zuihou on par with uni for w15 healer

[sharp echo]

worth to +10?

[barren tapir]

specifically first tierlist is w15 > w14 > w13hm priority basis, second is all opsi content including harby

[whole crypt]

keeping in mind Zuihou is a multi-tick healer even if each heal only targets one

[ocean fog]

if you are using them.

[barren tapir]

if you use the ships

[whole crypt]

anyway I'm not going to argue with jinghao and yunqi, I can somewhat see where they're coming from, and I'm done with 14/15 ages ago anyway

[barren tapir]

the deviluke augments are almost mandatory for use, they perform significantly worse without them, especially nana and momo

[sharp echo]

currently using darkness as BB flasgship since shes the good i have so far

[barren tapir]

i dont think nana even exists without her augment

[ocean fog]

literally the best ship in the event, I think

[whole crypt]

for the record that tiering is for campaign, OS is Unicorn/Aquila for mobbing

[barren tapir]

cn ranks nana with shimakaze and lala above drake and azuma (on same tier as kron in general, and on par with hinden and unzen in the campaign tierlist lmfao) and momo is ranked very highly too but harder to compare as she's a support as well

[sharp echo]

im missing lala :(

[eternal basalt]

1 day left to pull

[ocean fog]

Same lala come the last for me too

[sharp echo]

ya, i only pull 3 per day for quest. might pull alot tomorrow

[barren tapir]

bbs is also super saturated with URs that dumpster every gold bb

other hull types/roles have less powercreep/saturation. so i'd argue the deviluke sisters are more important/impactful than yami overall.

but yami is great for newbies because good bbs are hard to come by initially

[ocean fog]

funny how old collab ships is literal garbage compared to this

[eternal basalt]

NJ and UvH easy to get now though

[barren tapir]

and she doesnt need her augment to be functional, it just makes her better. so she's cheaper to make useful too

[barren tapir]

...after 400 cubes spent and 4 UR bulins what you talking about? im saying NEW new player, as in hasnt reached ch12 yet

[whole crypt]

lolwut CV support Guam

[barren tapir]

what

i dont read chinese and google translate cried about image size if you could tell me more about their tierings then yes please

[whole crypt]

that's CN tier list for Lala, under S- CA/CB

[barren tapir]

yeah she is ranked very highly in campaign i forgot if opsi too or no

[whole crypt]

it basically means "CV support version of Guam"

[zinc cave]

Interesting

[barren tapir]

damn

i wouldnt go that far, she is squishier and has much worse AA. but her dmg seems to be very good (not hinden/unzen tier obviously, but like, high end)

but her cv support is nice and she makes your entire fleet relatively tankier by consistently keeping enemies debuffed a bit

[whole crypt]

my guess is it's based on durability and DPS, not her AA

[sharp echo]

ok i maxed the augment. after this event im gonna upgrade yui to replace long island

[barren tapir]

its probably due to her making the whole fleet tankier ig. cos in a vacuum, lala is much squishier than guam (like 20% iirc)

[viscid swift]

yeah not worth the hassle

[whole crypt]

well I'm holding leveling the TLR ships as much as I can because chips

[atomic abyss]

Don't bother with Yui
Just use something else

[whole crypt]

god damn SR galore

[sharp echo]

its not like i have alot of option

[barren tapir]

anecdotally i can say that deviluke sisters are my current strongest vg options and it isnt close

but im also a new player without a lot of OP URs and research ships, so

[atomic abyss]

What are the battleship options you have

[barren tapir]

if you have nothing else might as well use ranger she's very cheap to invest in and is reasonably good in earlygame imo

[zinc cave]

Unsurprising hey realized that new players hopping on for the collab might like a relatively strong fleet to start out with

[barren tapir]

yeah i mean even the elites from what i can tell are like, not bad for elites. not worth using tho because you might as well invest into something that provides tech

[atomic abyss]

Hmm.
What's in your medal shop?

[sharp echo]

does ranger worth to build when my long island already lvl 80?

[whole crypt]

@eternal basalt I don't have much of a choice though they're going into the dorm sooner or later

[barren tapir]

oh i didnt see the levels uhh

[sharp echo]

this?

[barren tapir]

well LI has good tech so maybe just keep her around until you have something better, at this point

[gilded carbon]

yes. Ranger is better in any aspect then Long Island

[atomic abyss]

Yes that shop
Although that is atrocious selection

[barren tapir]

ranger is better but levels are big and their priority shud be getting to ch9 after event, and LI is invested enough that starting over with ranger would take longer imo

[eternal basalt]

Mine already did. Main level 100, Vanguard around 80

[barren tapir]

once at ch9 they can begin raising a 2nd fleet and ranger alongside that

[whole crypt]

I pulled them out earlier because LB

[sharp echo]

i think i can see why ranger better, triple plane instead of 2

[gilded carbon]

I havent seen the range for CVs yet. is it better?

[barren tapir]

8 planes instead of 6, but close enough yeah

[atomic abyss]

BB and CV selection is always better

[barren tapir]

enty illustrious shoukaku zuikaku

so ye much better esp early on

[atomic abyss]

CV because enterprise
BB because Hood, or if you have hood already, Tirpitz

[barren tapir]

tho i must say i really need a cl medal shop i want sandy

[gilded carbon]

well. Now i only need the BB-one for getting collection up

[eternal basalt]

Sandy drops a lot from light

[whole crypt]

sandy used to drop a lot from light and special

[dreamy blade]

wont be the same for 2025 tho no

[barren tapir]

does it remain the same

then i gotta wait til april for sandy i sure hope not

[eternal basalt]

Random, so prob not

Not to mention early on sub didn't exist yet

[barren tapir]

youd think so but i got her sister reno instead

[zinc cave]

Dunno, it was only changed near the end of 2023

[gilded carbon]

huh, such a shop for Subs? maybe i can get some colleaguesfor Leo then

[barren tapir]

it's literally just u96 iirc lol

[zinc cave]

yeah

[gilded carbon]

so she can be used without ma having o feel bad

F

[whole crypt]

so you can imagine the excitement I felt when I saw 2 SS on my server's medal shop last month

[atomic abyss]

SS stands for SubStandard Selection

[zinc cave]

pretty sure it rolls randomly

which is a bit annoying

[barren tapir]

dont bully u96 like that

damn they really do view lala as aviation buffer version of guam

yes ik text too smol to see lol but that's what it says

as for nana they call her a meatier (tankier) version of shima like straight up, same level apparently

cant get a readable screenshot tho

[sharp echo]

uss is eagle?

[ocean fog]

eagle union yup

[sharp echo]

okey

[barren tapir]

also thats in opsi

in campaign, guam ofc is much higher due to her AA. lala is "high meat with support value" and tiered with other big meats, while hinden and unzen are there because they bring high asf damage but not much else, and are more replaceable

[faint cloud]

those 5-6 characters short descriptions kinda misleading (?)

[gilded carbon]

is the Deviluke-Sisters effectiveness depending on fielding them in at least pairs?

[eternal moth]

Who are the augments being added in this week's maintenance for? Sanrui, Yuubari, Houshou, and two others, but they didn't translate correctly

[whole crypt]

I said what I saw

[eternal moth]

It said Borg and Loan

[viscid swift]

Roon and Bogue

[honest cradle]

Saint Louis

[barren tapir]

well ofc its a brief overview and idk where to find more details, but here

"one of the best ships in this event, damage after black hole is equal to guam and drake

the tankiness is lower than guam and higher than drake. after calculating black hole bullet absorption and buffing teammates, it is close to guam

therefore, she is by herself a powerful single ship, (excluding black hole = drake level), + black hole support + avi support (20s debuff is about +3% damage)"

[eternal moth]

Ok, Bogue was who I assumed, and Roon makes sense, thanks. That just leaves Monarch for PR1 now right?

[whole crypt]

Roon and Saint Louis might be interesting but

[faint cloud]

No need to explain to me I can understand it(

[eternal moth]

Yeah, all of the auga for the PR1 girls have been solid

[barren tapir]

anyway nana ranking for campaign is "high damage back slot" similar to audacieux, shima, and hatsuzuki

[barren tapir]

its for other ppl

[atomic abyss]

Irrelevant

[barren tapir]

also would appreciate if u could tell me how to find the detailed descriptions

[barren tapir]

minor damage increase, can be ignored, all of them are good on their own

laser is inconsistent as fuck on auto anyway

[faint cloud]

and you said they put zuihou and uni the same level but isn't the aquila just next to it and ranked as ss+(?

[barren tapir]

oh nvm i found a changelog-style thingy

[barren tapir]

aquila is ranked SS+ for cv/cvl ranking not healer, cos she is more than just healer

uni/zuihou i think is pure healer consideration

[ocean fog]

Is there any spoiler about saint Louis aug effect?

[viscid swift]

no

[atomic abyss]

Lmao no

[soft raft]

it was litereally just announced

[ocean fog]

well waiting it is

[atomic abyss]

We won't find out shit till the datamines drop

[plain saffron]

i have one, it's upgrade one of her skills

[mellow cape]

[whole crypt]

context
Zuihou and Unicorn is under the healer column
Aquila is under generic CV/CVL not just healer

[mellow cape]

Saint Louis?? Finally lol

[ocean fog]

no hit Sherlock

[whole crypt]

but yeh roled as sub-heal

[barren tapir]

1. Added Nana, double-list A-level. Pure monohull, quasi-top attack position 3. Output is at the same level as the autonomous version of Shimakaze, slightly inferior to Yudachi; survivability is at the same level as Yudachi, slightly higher than the autonomous version of Shimakaze.

Generally speaking, the comparison is between Yudachi's toughness and Shimakaze's output; so overall, she is not as good as Yudachi, but stronger than Shimakaze.

wait stronger than shimakaze (on auto, same dmg as auto shima with yuudachi bulk)

[rain hearth]

is Abercrombie unusable?

[crimson glacier]

yes

[soft raft]

not for any pratical uses
She's RLD Tech and that's it

[rain hearth]

sad
and akashi?

[barren tapir]

even more unusable tbh

[soft raft]

even more useless
a complete lack of damage and her fleet tech bonus doesnt apply for basically anyone besides her and Vestal

At most she'd just be tech point fodder but there's more worthwhile SRs to MLB if you need Sakura Tech Points

[barren tapir]

since akashi gives no relevant tech

[rain hearth]

i thought she would be a good healer or anti air ship

[whole crypt]

healer no
AA ship tactic expired years ago

[barren tapir]

man the cn estimation of momo is

[ocean fog]

on the old days, she is usable, now there's much more options

[soft raft]

her """"""Heal"""""" sucks and technically she has decent AA, but that's at the cost of absolutely zero surface damage

and backliners tend to be the main damage dealers in the fleet

[viscid swift]

I might use her a lot when I run out of main fleets but that's a very niche circumstance

[soft raft]

At this point she's basically a last ditch resort AA for people who legit have massive skill issue in W12/13

[rain hearth]

i see
and
thoughts on monarch?

[barren tapir]

isnt vestal better than akashi also lol

[whole crypt]

cheaper but that's about it

[barren tapir]

like at least if u need aa and got nothing else, vestal doesnt use gold bulins

[viscid swift]

not that I've bothered to check but in what way exactly?

[wind hazel]

who else can buff BB from vanguard position other than plymouth

[barren tapir]

also zombie heal is likely to be more impactful than a heal thats basically a toolkit, imo

[soft raft]

Decent until Hood unique aug, Izumo Uniuqe aug, and Nelson retro came out
cope for her to get her own unique aug soon

[wind hazel]

and other than helena

[zinc cave]

any generic damage buffer or armor breaker in vg

[barren tapir]

aurora vs light

[viscid swift]

uhhh, Kashino???, Aurora if applicable

[whole crypt]

Clevebro

[barren tapir]

momo

[rain hearth]

one more thing
some BB can equip CL guns
some can only do DD
what's that about

[barren tapir]

momo gets pretty good in longer fight, 20s sync +5% dmg and +5% fp

[zinc cave]

IRL specs

[barren tapir]

clevebro is gud for 1 cycle with reset to proc very strong if it does proc, but -100 consistency

[soft raft]

something something IRL reference idk
It's mainly the American BBs who only can equip DD Secondarys

[wind hazel]

kashino?

[barren tapir]

cargos

[viscid swift]

dual purpose secondary battery for the win

[barren tapir]

also british BCs

[zinc cave]

and most BCs are stuck with DDs

[barren tapir]

pretty sure its just british and american bcs

tho that might actually be most i havent counted

[zinc cave]

probably half

there's quite a few across IJN and KMS

[opaque gate]

what is the best AP CL gun?

[soft raft]

All the German and Japanese ones im seeing arent DD locked
It's mainly the Americans, British BCs, and the French

[viscid swift]

none of the KMS ones are locked to a DD gun, IJN also only has Amagi and the Kongos who can use CL guns

[zinc cave]

Quad 152mm

[soft raft]

Quad 152mm aka "Plymouth Gun" from PR5

[opaque gate]

owww, none in the gear lab? cuz i only have HE CL guns

[soft raft]

there is a AP CL Gun in gear lab but it's
AP CL kinda sucks ass outside of the Quad 152 anyway

[opaque gate]

thanks, is this any good?

[zinc cave]

There's the Neptune gun, but I wouldn't bother

[soft raft]

No
absolutely not

Fuze AA is dogshit

[opaque gate]

ok lol thankss

i got quite interested in gear labs, any notable guns/planes to craft other than flapjack and wyvern?

[soft raft]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[opaque gate]

thank u

[rain hearth]

why do people say hood is great
when she has terrible firepower stat
medium armor
not a range of skills

[eternal moth]

None of that is really important. It's about the skills and barrage she DOES have

Also, her augment is really good.

[barren tapir]

just use tbstk purple for now the upgrades arent worth it until plygun

[barren tapir]

she is mid af without augment. with augment she is a decent mob flag bb

[eternal moth]

Enterprise only has one skill and is still one of the highest-damage golds in the game.

[barren tapir]

augmented she has 100% barrage with high light damage and decent medium heavy damage with a solid pattern for mobbing

[soft raft]

Eh I wouldnt say Hood's mid AF without the aug, more like she gets alot more consistent with Aug

[rain hearth]

just one barrage
other ships have that and more
and the barrage doesn't seem special

[barren tapir]

mid af was my personal experience with augmentless hood she didnt really do much of anything for me

[hollow gust]

Screen clear barrage not special

[zinc cave]

Without the aug. she was niche. Much more usable in mob with the augment.

[rain hearth]

i would say she sucks
be honest
347 fp
medium armor

[soft raft]

well for a newbie that most likely wont have any better BBs, she's a absolute steal if you can get her early

[barren tapir]

what matters is how good and consistent the barrage is

[eternal moth]

Including her armor type immediately makes it obvious you don't know what you're talking about

[viscid swift]

have you actually used her among other things?

[mellow cape]

Crazy lol, the fleet sushi gave me yesterday for mobbing can 40% the arbiter for this month. Again, forgot to say this last night but ty for the help and new fleets for everyone that chipped in too

[soft raft]

the stat sheet by itself is not the end all be all indicator of a ship's usefulness

[rain hearth]

no
but can you justify anything
i have used colorado retrofit
and she seems better

[soft raft]

Also yeah she has one skill, but it's what they do with that singular slot which makes or breaks them

Like look at Enterprise, one skill and she's still extremely good

[barren tapir]

what matters is this more than anything else on her stat screen

[rain hearth]

you don't know what you are talking about
medium armor is way inferior to heavy

[viscid swift]

compared to the colorados she can get 100% proc rate on her barrage, her secondaries are as good and her reload buff can help with getting off strikes faster/sooner

[barren tapir]

retrofit big sevens are better than augmentedless hood yes

with augment she's on par with nelson for mobbing (nelson better in boss) and a bit better than american big sevens

[eternal moth]

Armor DOESN'T EVENT MATTER on most backline ships

[rain hearth]

yh
but what's special about the barrage

[barren tapir]

good pattern, good splash, high damage

[soft raft]

Dawg you are arguing with veterans who have played the game for like 3+ years

You're the one who doesnt know what they're talking about

[viscid swift]

not like the big 7 barrage is particularly impressive either

[barren tapir]

you keep ignoring what im saying about her barrage its higher end for gold bbs

[eternal moth]

Heavy armor can actually be a detriment in certain cases, as they take more damage from torpedoes.

[barren tapir]

eh big 7 is pretty good in mobbing but nelson is definitely a lot better than americans because it's consistent proc

[rain hearth]

but i am pretty sure you just like hood so you are justifying it

[soft raft]

It's how useful she was for me when I first started out that made me like her so much

And that was Pre unique aug

[barren tapir]

literally just look at this

[soft raft]

you should pull up colorado's big 7 for comparison

[rain hearth]

i mean, isn't the direct counterpart warspite better

[viscid swift]

fuck no

[eternal moth]

LOLNO

[viscid swift]

Warspite sucks at mobbing

[barren tapir]

nope bc thats misleading, big 7 does more total damage but has much worse pattern for focused damage. and much of it is likely to miss unless the screen is full of enemies

[eternal moth]

With her augment, Hood destroys Warcorgi.

[viscid swift]

and she's a massive sunk cost fallacy

[rain hearth]

didn't say mobbing

[barren tapir]

tbh the only great big 7 barrage is nagato meta's

nelson's is good

americans are okay

unretro is trash

[zinc cave]

Why did you mention Warspite then

[soft raft]

Warspite has been outdated since 2019 lmfao

[barren tapir]

hood is a mobbing bb

[soft raft]

her ""Barrage"" infinetly sucks more for mobbing than Hood's

[rain hearth]

i am saying warspite seems just better overall

[zinc cave]

Because?

[viscid swift]

and in that you are wrong

[eternal moth]

She's not. And Warspite's barrage is objectively worse than Hood's, unless you like shooting the ocean

[viscid swift]

for one, Warspite costs massive amounts of resource to be overall still worse than Nelson retrofit, someone much cheaper than her

[barren tapir]

i post hoods bc its important to show that barrages contribute a lot of damage. and hers is high damage lower shots that have a good pattern

[soft raft]

Modern day SR BBs run circles around Warspite Retrofit, Hood w/aug included

[barren tapir]

warspite's barrage shouldnt be called a barrage. it's like a couple aimed shells that do less than a salvo

[hollow gust]

Lmao warspite

[viscid swift]

and even if Hood is worse than Warspite on bossing, she's much better on mobs without question and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to get to a decent state

[rain hearth]

451 vs 347 fp
heavy vs medium
seemingly better barrage

[wary hawk]

Larspite

[barren tapir]

i wish i was joking

[zinc cave]

Do you know what the barrage data looks like?

[tame jungle]

Is he trolling

[eternal moth]

Better barrage on Warspite... ok, this guy's just a troll

[barren tapir]

it only beats out a salvo because it guaranteed crits lololol

[eager mulch]

i don’t think he’s trolling

[hollow gust]

Worse barrage , armor type doesn't matter , firepower stat means jack shit

[tame jungle]

Honestly quite

[barren tapir]

i mean fp CAN matter but only with context and its much less important than barrage pattern, damage, and skills

[rain hearth]

i am not trolling
isn't fp stat a direct multiplier

[viscid swift]

you're so laser focused on 2 stats, one of which is barely relevant
none of the other hard stats you've bothered to look at alone the actual numbers for their barrages

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1132211555237363823.webp?size=56

[eager mulch]

I didn’t say you were trolling

[soft raft]

that's only part of the damage equation

[hollow gust]

Champange has one of the highest firepower stat stats ,doesn't mean she's good

[barren tapir]

like how hood's interception isnt particularly great due to her lower fp, which is relevant on ch11 if compared to say, nelson

but for raw damage its basically not a consideration in most cases

[eager mulch]

he has been told hood is better, whether he believes it or not I couldn’t care less

[soft raft]

you're completely forgetting about mount efficency for one

[viscid swift]

there's many factors to consider than just FP stat

[barren tapir]

you're missing the forest for the trees

[rain hearth]

ok
i can see from what you posted barrage is worse
but how can you say firepower stat is meaningless

[crimson glacier]

coz all BBs have good FP

[barren tapir]

also why is bro ignoring me and replying to everyone else?

[crimson glacier]

barrage base dmg and pattern matters a lot more than fp

[viscid swift]

it's not irrelevant but it's not decisive either

[barren tapir]

a 100 fp diff is not nothing but its much less of a factor in a ship being good or not than their skills, efficiencies, and barrage(s)

[rain hearth]

sorry
i get it
barrage is better
but that's it

[stone sluice]

There’s a OS daily that asks me to spend 50 special item tokens on coordinate loggers. But I don’t see any logger that I can buy with tokens… I used Operation supply coins but it didn’t work

[wary hawk]

AURORA GOT A REPLY

[hollow gust]

It doesn't matter when you have to consider the fact that gun efficiency and skills are more important?

[rain hearth]

there is just one barrage
nothing else

[eternal moth]

It's in your quest log. You complete it there

[barren tapir]

click information then click claim and trade in there

[rain hearth]

gun efficiency is same on both

[zinc cave]

Actually wrong.

[stone sluice]

I can’t.
It says “View” but I can’t tap on it. There’s no response

[viscid swift]

we can argue about this all day but frankly, the most effective way would be for you to actually use Hood yourself

[rain hearth]

140 140

[barren tapir]

warspite needs a retrofit (3 gold bulins, like 50k coins, a bunch of retro bps, and 1/2 UR bulin) to match hood's efficiencies

[eager mulch]

You don’t have enough to trade in

[plain saffron]

can you take a screenshot

[eternal moth]

Do you have 50 tokens?

[barren tapir]

you need the 50 special tokens to be able to complete it

[zinc cave]

Now let's take away the Retrofit because we shouldn't compare to something that isn't a direct counterpart yes?

[barren tapir]

aint nobody completing that retrofit over using hood lmfao

[stone sluice]

I can’t find a way to spend tokens nor coins

[barren tapir]

like brudda i LIKE warspite as a ship and as a shipgirl but she's objectively not good compared to hood for GAMEPLAY purposes

[plain saffron]

if you want to compare ship compare both on max potential, why would you compare unfinished ships with finished ships

[viscid swift]

And for the record

I have used all of them

[rain hearth]

130 140
it's 10 percent difference here
but the fp stat of hood is only 80 percent or so of warspite

[barren tapir]

because investment matters in the context of what is better for a new player

[eager mulch]

how else will I show that amagi-chan is better than most ships

[wind hazel]

cheeky is me fr, monarch warspite 125 🤝

[eternal moth]

FP difference is much less once you take guns and aux into account

[plain saffron]

i thought we're talking only from dmg standpoints

[barren tapir]

even if we say warspite is comparably good to hood after retrofit, she still takes 75% more gold bulins and half an UR bulin not to mention ~20-30k more coins and a hell of a lot of retro bps

[stone sluice]

What can I do?

[rain hearth]

same for both
why would it be different

[barren tapir]

you need to HAVE 50 special tokens

[eager mulch]

How many operation supply coins do you have

[stone sluice]

Alright.

[zinc cave]

It seems you didn't get the point, if I am comparing a barrage that can hit 10 enemies, compared to a barrage that can hit usually only 1 enemy, one of them is going come out on top in the damage chart.

[plain saffron]

do you have 50 of these

[eternal moth]

You said it's a 20% difference, I'm saying once all gear is taken into account that % difference is much smaller

[crimson glacier]

warspite barrage often hits 0 enemies tho not 1

[stone sluice]

Yes I do. But I guess I need the tokens. I think I spent all of them

[rain hearth]

yh
i get that
i am just saying it is one barrage vs a range of below avg stats

[soft raft]

"Below average" my foot

[eager mulch]

According to the mission you don’t

[plain saffron]

so do you...have it or not?