gameplay-help

[terse dune]

how many units should i level at once?

is 1 main and 1 vanguard good?

[viscid swift]

I'm at around 14ish usually, I would say 5 is the minimum practically

[sweet delta]

Unicorn + 5 in the mob fleet is the minimum

You have plenty of level 110 ships who need levels, there's no way T5 especially on Safe can be that hard

[terse dune]

its not hard with unicorn but unicorn runs out of morale and i get stuck

[weary gust]

T5 should be easy with level 90+ units, unicorn not even needed if you have decent gear.

[mellow cape]

Best secondary gun for musashi?

[viscid swift]

then put her in the dorm?

[ocean orbit]

is it worth to spend medals for build? ( event mission daily build 3 times for 300 stones) i dont want to spend cubes

[viscid swift]

or don't run Unicorn, if you're struggling with level 110 ships in T5 they must not have any gear equipped at all

[weary gust]

Gold bulin for sure, purples arguable. Misread, thought he meant buying in medal shop.

[sweet delta]

There are many choices depending on where you're using her , but I must say the best is rainbow quad 152

[viscid swift]

no, and it doesn't count for the mission

[ocean orbit]

oh then should i spend cube?

[terse dune]

doesnt dorm only like reduce recharge by a little isnt it still a few hours?

[sweet delta]

Dorm gives 250% regen

[mellow cape]

Ty sushii

[viscid swift]

the base is +10 morale in hour
1st floor is +50 morale an hour
2nd floor is +60 morale an hour

[sweet delta]

Base +20

[terse dune]

and how much do u lose per stage?

[viscid swift]

hmm, I blame the wiki

[sweet delta]

2 per battle, 10 per sinking

[terse dune]

i see

[sweet delta]

Wiki blames you

[cobalt rapids]

maybe aka can mvp now

[terse dune]

i need to find a youtube channel that just does updated guides on everyhthing

[tame jungle]

no youtube

[terse dune]

its usually how i learn games

[viscid swift]

doesn't exist

[tame jungle]

go to ecgc and read those instead

[elfin hollow]

most al youtube vids are just dmg showcases or event covers

[terse dune]

y does youtube not exist tho, like any smart azur lane player could just make a channel and pump guides of there knowledge and make some money ontop of it

[viscid swift]

it's not that simple

[elfin hollow]

because at the end of the day its just a gacha game about ship girls

[mellow cape]

Lol this might be more endgame but I really like quyet nguyen's channel

[viscid swift]

Quyet is as bad as the rest

[elfin hollow]

meta players are a minority

[mellow cape]

Oh fr??? Damn

[viscid swift]

insert his clown claim of Bristol being better than Plymouth here

[sweet delta]

There are two types of azur gameplay YouTubers

1. Those who are good at the game but only make flex videos or sparse endgame guides
2. Everyone else (who are also the most popular ones), just bad at the game

[eager mulch]

wb amagi-chan?

[mellow cape]

What about Jimmy?

[terse dune]

as someone who does youtube for another niche game, it is that simple hahahaa, im sure they videos would do semi well

[prime glacier]

there are no more main story nodes on operation serien, what should i do? do not think i finished it

[elfin hollow]

touch grass

[viscid swift]

one, you'd need to understand the mechanics of this game well which most people don't
two, you'd need to be able to present information in a way that's pleasant to watch and without rambling

most people who play this game rarely even posses one of those qualities let alone both

[ocean orbit]

just ask your questions here

no need guide or some youtube things

[tame jungle]

we regularly refer to ecgc guide tho lol

[sweet delta]

Three, there needs to be enough viewers who care about getting good at the gameplay, and those viewers are just simply rare

[prime glacier]

will these trigger new main quests?

[sweet delta]

Idk but you should do them

[prime glacier]

what does the symbol mean?

[tame jungle]

check your missions tab?

[viscid swift]

it means you have a mission there

[mellow cape]

I agree lol, I think the main reason why I still need help gear wise is because I just copy gear setups without understanding the mechanics

[ocean orbit]

should i spend 3 cube for daily mission ( 300 event stone )

[mellow cape]

I severely stunted my understanding of the game using YouTube LOL

[viscid swift]

do you have all the event ships you want

[ocean orbit]

i dont have any event ship

[terse dune]

i just go to tierlist and look at the top gear for the ship and go down the list till i have that piece of gear

[prime glacier]

mhhh thas was loked, i will check again when i am out of mission

[stark quiver]

i like watching the text to speech guy

[viscid swift]

so you're not pulling on the event at all

[versed dagger]

what is the coin farm stage?

[ocean orbit]

yea

[tame jungle]

12-4

[ocean orbit]

started 2 day ago im saving cube and doesnt build anything

[terse dune]

are the event ships good at all or is it just for collectors?

[tame jungle]

golds ok purples meh

[terse dune]

i wonder if they will ever do a UR collab ship so we can actually use it

[viscid swift]

either do 3 event pulls a day to fulfill the mission or just do one light pull a day

[viscid swift]

highly doubt that'll happen

[tame jungle]

you can use bad ships btw
just don't expect them to do well in hard content

[terse dune]

im sure i havent even seen hard content hahaha

[sweet delta]

There's aegir, Plymouth, and other DRs

[spring bolt]

technically research DRs are the ones you wanted, as research is a long term wows collab

[ocean orbit]

i go with light pull a day then thanks

[visual hare]

could someone tell me where to get gear as new player?

[stark quiver]

tech boxes

these purple & gold

[visual hare]

where do you get those?

[stark quiver]

various shops in game
events shops also have them

[prime glacier]

i do not have the mission tab unlocked, I need to do more of these?

[visual hare]

okk thanks

[ocean orbit]

dont open other boxed and compose them

[terse dune]

i feel like its not possible to catch up on MLB URs with how fast new ones come out and how little bullins u get XD

[tame jungle]

it is, i'm doing just fine

[terse dune]

im sitting here looking at my urs like damn this is gonna take forever

[visual hare]

tyty

[terse dune]

cant u only get like 2 ur bullins a month?

[ocean orbit]

for META characters

i have 88 fragment which i can trade is it worth it?

[weary gust]

You do have the tab that lists missions. It's the "Information" button.

[tame jungle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#bulins

[ocean orbit]

or should i save ot for something better in the future

[prime glacier]

ohhh, thanks a lot!

[terse dune]

yeh thats like 2 a month XD

[tame jungle]

don't ignore the other 3 lines

[weary gust]

It will take forever, but you can catch up. The same is true of gold/purple ships, will take years to fully mlb every ship in the game.

[tame jungle]

in 2 years you won't have to worry about the reruns either

[weary gust]

Most ships in the game aren't worth using anyways though, so quickly you'll have full functioning teams of the best ships and what's left is for collection/tech.

[barren tapir]

somehow i am constantly craving purple bulins

[terse dune]

yeh but if i look at it with what i have, if i want 2 full fleets of urs, i would still need to MLB 8 URS from scratch that is like what? 3 years

[weary gust]

You don't build fleets based on rarity for starters. Secondly, you can get dupes during events, extra bulins for event rewards, etc.

[terse dune]

huh, i was told to not roll for UR dupes

[weary gust]

You don't roll specifically for them but you often get dupes while getting the full banner anyways. And for perma UR ships, you'll occasionally get a freebie.

[barren tapir]

wtf do you mean tho like..what's stopping you from using them?

is this UR brainrot or

[terse dune]

ye

[weary gust]

Rarity does not mean best at everything in this game. There are plenty of gold rarity and a good number of purple rarity ships that are used endgame.

Shimakaze is a UR ship and hardly used anymore.

Warspite is retroUR and not used. Drake is DR and not really used. Etc.

[ocean orbit]

unicoorn

[weary gust]

Azuma outdated, Hinden limited to mobbing in opsi, Kron not used much

Don't judge based on rarity.

[stone sluice]

Ranger intensifies

[warm condor]

Anyone available to help me look at my box and build a mob and boss fleet? I think I have enough ships now.

[outer schooner]

How do people even compare gears to one another? I'm never sure which is better than what.

[warm condor]

I've just been building Sakura units.

[mellow cape]

May I ask how people just have knowledge of what's current and what's not? I'm constantly feel like I'm behind

[terse dune]

preach

[tame jungle]

you build knowledge overtime and sometimes something new comes out that changes the details

[sweet delta]

math and/or simulation

[prime glacier]

is it possible to finish this? do i have time?

[sweet delta]

math and/or simulation and testing

you have forever

[mellow cape]

Mmm I see, how do people just know what's good for mobbing and fleeting? For the longest time I thought hinden for example was for boss fleet damage

[stark quiver]

you have infinite time
its perma

[prime glacier]

can i change it?

or is it worth farming for helena meta?

[sweet delta]

read skills, perform critical thinking

[mellow cape]

[terse dune]

so can anyone give me like a brief descip on metas? ive legit never used em no idea if they r good or what they do

[outer schooner]

You can reference this site. https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/cv?ship=implacable

[tame jungle]

implacable!?

[outer schooner]

Well, ignoring the unit I was currently looking at.

[terse dune]

implacable is hot

[outer schooner]

Indeed. Debating if I buy her skin.

[tame jungle]

repent

[terse dune]

nun vibe ya know

[tame jungle]

i heard through the grapevine that there's fellow impla simps in #al-general

[weary gust]

Generally, good mobbing ships have sustainability (health recovery, increased ammo, damage reduction/redirection), and aoe type skills that will wipe out lots of little enemies. Good bossing ships have burst damage negation or really high effective hp, can output a lot of damage to single targets, and have focused attacks that aren't spread over a wide area. Skills that stop enemies in place too are valuable to help backline hit.

Hindenberg is good for mobbing because she ignores the little shields that eat up shots, does good damage that wipes out the low hp mobs efficiently, and has regular damage output. For bosses she is fine too. Though she doesn't get much use either way simply because as a pure dps unit she doesn't add anything a good backline doesn't.

[warm condor]

Do you need healers like Pegasus or Unicord for Boss Fleets?
And challenges?

[stark quiver]

no

[warm condor]

Because I am about to die

[weary gust]

Rarely do you have healers in a boss fleet. Special battles like some CM are an exception, and w15 where your boss fleet fights multiple times.

[warm condor]

I mean my back line is.

[stark quiver]

perseus isnt doing anything to help

[weary gust]

You're taking too long to kill the boss.

I'm guessing Amagi and Musashi probably are not mlb.

[warm condor]

they are both MLB

[weary gust]

What are their levels/gear?

[cobalt rapids]

you need to break her charge attack and u also need to dps race her either way
a oathed lv125 musashi with a rudder can tank her for 10 minutes tho
https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/december read this

[weary gust]

Oh that's the CM. Yes, those have special conditions.

[weary gust]

Bad gun on Musashi, no slow for Amagi + not great fighter. Perseus is dead weight past 20s.

[warm condor]

I have not farmed Siren for gears
I've only used what events or drops I have
Don't understand any math behind it too

[cobalt rapids]

level your ships to at least lv120 before tackling endgame content like challenge modes

[warm condor]

How do I put slow on Amagi?

[weary gust]

You use another ship that has a slow/stop ability for support

[warm condor]

in 2nd aircraft slot?

[weary gust]

No, another ship, like Implacable, Ark Royal, August Von Parseval, etc.

[tame jungle]

another ship

[cobalt rapids]

warspite has stop timings, you dont need necesarily slows
read the doc i linked

[warm condor]

I gotta look for Warspite I dont have her

[barren tapir]

just manual it if needed

[stark quiver]

warspite the boss
not your ship

[cobalt rapids]

no the boss itself has stop timings as in her movement pattern makes her stop at regular intervals

[barren tapir]

if you cant get a bb to exactly ~20 seconds you have to manual

[weary gust]

He's got EN syndrome bad

[barren tapir]

at least i think so, bc my nagato desynced on auto at like 20.2

[terse dune]

so i think ive figured out my issue, when im looking at my teams im like oh i need to replace these 6 ships with the best ships, but i think i need to instead identify the 1 ship that is the worst and work on replacing it and just repeat that

good idea?

[cobalt rapids]

replace for what
different content has different tierings

[barren tapir]

also even if you do her mechanic properly she still bitchslaps your backline so manual can help cancel some of those

[weary gust]

In general, incremental improvement is best. It entirely depends on the content you're trying to do though.

[sweet delta]

it doesn't have an embed?

[terse dune]

yeh i guess i hjaventt gotten far enough for it to matter

i kinda just have a mob fleet and a boss fleet and i use them for every content

[weary gust]

W12 + getting to chapter 4 in Opsi are the initial goals for new players

[cobalt rapids]

if ure grinding xp just replace anything that has reached lv120 and u dont plan to 125 awaken

[terse dune]

im at w12 atm and god i hate opsi haha

[weary gust]

Then yeah, now is the time to be working on raising ships for specific content/grinding exp for PR/DRs.

[prime glacier]

I finished the event and I am at 10-1 in story, I go to story 12?

[terse dune]

how do i know tho which ships r good for what content

[weary gust]

Ask here, or trial and error/use brain.

[cobalt rapids]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0 consult this tierlist for endgame content

[barren tapir]

also i think perseus actually heals backline less than someone like momo in a long fight

cos she's what, 3.5% every 40s and momo is 2% every 20s and momo prolly does more dmg lol

[terse dune]

also maybe dumb question what content is there other then a mob fleet and a boss fleet XD

[weary gust]

META fleets, CM, Hard Arbiter, W14/W15 all require specific fleet comps.

[barren tapir]

momo also buffs ur entire fleet dmg a bit which helps more than whatever else percy has

[cobalt rapids]

mob fleet and boss fleet arent content
they are fleet roles
content is chapter X in campaign, opsi, challenge modes, showdowns etc.

[terse dune]

ugh opsi

i feel like ive put so many hours into opsi and ive made so little progress

[weary gust]

Opsi is something you grind every month for gear materials.

[cobalt rapids]

opsi is optional
its only for some of the best gear ingame
and the main source of income for upgrading equipment past lv10 which is a big boost

[terse dune]

i dont even think im done with the tutorial honestly

[weary gust]

It can be done mostly on auto.

[vapid finch]

I finally managed to collect all of the To love to ships

[barren tapir]

opsi is for minmaxxing

[terse dune]

when they gonna do a highschool dxd collab tho 😦

[barren tapir]

its very helpful for every aspect of the game but if you just play casually it isnt necessary to do, if you hate it

[weary gust]

Likely never but who knows, collabs aren't common.

[terse dune]

i just dont understand it honestly

[barren tapir]

tho if you're a collector you do have to play opsi

[viscid swift]

it's not that difficult to understand truth be told

just complete the campaign, and clear all the different modes each month and buy what you need from the shops

puzzles you don't have to worry about, they're only there for your first clear

[barren tapir]

just take it slow and do what you can, some is better than none

[terse dune]

how long is campaign tho i feel like ive been on it forever

[viscid swift]

5 chapters

[stark quiver]

do operation siren if u want to get good

[barren tapir]

harsh but true

[weary gust]

Like 3-4 hours worth maybe?

[barren tapir]

i dont remember, it is kinda tedious though for sure

[terse dune]

is opsi easily clearable for campaign? or do i need specific comp

[weary gust]

Opsi story is super easy.

[barren tapir]

any lvl100+ ships with unicorn shud be fine with adequate tuning

[stark quiver]

use your best comp

[junior walrus]

I got my 406 for my BB, do I just wait a month for it to come back around or is there other stuff I should buying in this shop?

[undone plover]

Imo get 50 prints overall from III
And 25 of the VI one (for the 380mm BB gun - flandre gun)

[junior walrus]

No other series worth doing? Or just focus gear labs for the other stuff

[undone plover]

U get season 5 gear from focusing season 5 and doing research and 4 should soon be in gear lab
What are you focusing in academy anyway

[junior walrus]

Research academy?

If you’re talking about research academy it’s kinda random, but mostly blueprints so I can rush my units retrofits.

[cobalt rapids]

are you spamming cube researches?

[undone plover]

what season do u have focus on
in the bottom right corner

[junior walrus]

Also I’ve done some cube ones, But only because I’ve spent a little money so I’m getting cubes daily

[silk sphinx]

oh wow, since when do we have a guide for end-game ships

[cobalt rapids]

save ur cubes

as a new player you not onlyh have new events but also reruns if u care about collecting ships so ull need all the cubes u can spare

[junior walrus]

I don’t care about collecting all tbh games been out for a while so that’s prob not happening. Just trying to maximize what I have and can reasonably get.

[cobalt rapids]

with orderly active play and abit of luck u can catch up in about 2 years give or take

[silk sphinx]

fair enough, just that research is very cube expensive and there's not a whole lot of point since you'll be getting those ships completed anyways

[sweet delta]

since 2024/11/16 i guess

[silk sphinx]

you the author, suchi?

[sweet delta]

i contributed a little

[undone plover]

imo focus D research (especially plymouth and brest) over anything else
u can also take 4h G and 1.5h G and Q research
this should be your priority

[sweet delta]

I would cancel the C and take the Q 1 hour (full code Q-351-MI)

[junior walrus]

Down tbis game complicated as hell

[sweet delta]

also queue the projects so you can select 6 in a row if you didn't know queue exists

[barren tapir]

what is flandre gun for

[undone plover]

u will get the hang of it
just ask ppl a lot of questions

[tame jungle]

Timing sidegrade

[cobalt rapids]

timing sidegrade to champy

[barren tapir]

oo i see

[junior walrus]

It’s not letting me queue anything

[undone plover]

it is basically a champy but faster
if u are f2p and dont oath your BBs having flandre is better to squeeze 4 salvo in meta fights
actually I think even with oath using triple champy is kinda cursed for meta fights

[sweet delta]

faster but less damage is the tradeoff. But faster is a great quality for meta showdown indeed

[barren tapir]

[ocean orbit]

i get l indomp but cant use her because of level how can i level up this character or should i for compaign?

[cobalt rapids]

just ignore her

[barren tapir]

would ignore her for now she takes gold bulins

[junior walrus]

Only letting me Queue 2 at a time is that normal?

[ocean orbit]

alright thanks

[barren tapir]

where is your portland

[ocean orbit]

who is her

[barren tapir]

u might not finish fulfilling a requirement some is like 'do 6 comms' or 'scrap 15 gear'

[ocean orbit]

should i use her?

[junior walrus]

Yeahs exactly it.

[barren tapir]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips#guild_shop

[ocean orbit]

i focused unicorn so much i forgot about her

[junior walrus]

going to go to school and get a master in Azur Lane tips

[cobalt rapids]

theres alot of concepts in the beginning but once ure familiar its quite simple

[ocean orbit]

which character should i replace with?

[junior walrus]

yeah there's some stuff im starting to catch on. My biggest unknown at the moment is gearing/gear lab. Seems a little RNG dependant on ur OpSi

[left nest]

how many of these should I be getting from research? 3?

[undone plover]

it is rng but also consistent
in a few weeks/months u should be able to get very good gear

[barren tapir]

a bit yeah. the shop stuff is guaranteed but the total output can vary quite a bit depending on how many abyssals/hiddens you get and your luck with those and meowficer nodes and akashi ap replenishments

[junior walrus]

I mean im two weeks in and already have a 406mm on my howe which i believe is pretty good, but i also started at the end of a month so just kinda chance

[weary gust]

You'll get one from protocores, and likely another while maxing PR5.

[barren tapir]

also game can troll you and just barely ever give you electronics from the rng stuff

[eager mulch]

[left nest]

so I just get 2 in total like tenrai?

[junior walrus]

Only big thing annoying me at the moment is being gold blueprint locked....with slightly better rng i'd already have uniocorn retrofit

[weary gust]

2 is fine for a long time. They're great but not worth going for specifically given how much other stuff there is to research.

[barren tapir]

done all x-4 hm 3* you can?

[junior walrus]

and i have enough for modern on portland, but i can't get any purples for her lmao

[left nest]

[barren tapir]

well it's just a matter of time

[junior walrus]

yes, but certain stages in hard mode i can't do because im unit locked or power capped.

but to be fair i haven't been grinding as much as i was because an event for another game i play started this week so

[ocean orbit]

Which character should i replace with Portland?

[barren tapir]

am i good to just craft stuff on an as-needed basis or is there anything specific i should prioritize a lot

[junior walrus]

idk about who to replace, but make sure your portland is bottom left to tank.

[hollow gust]

Her sister Indianapolis, shes shit

[cobalt rapids]

fyi for HM u only need to fill 1 required slot in backline and 1 required slot in vang to be able to sortie the fleet
use the nonlocked slots with w.e u got and leave the slots u dont have stuff like BC empty

[ocean orbit]

thanks

[undone plover]

for opsi mats?
we usually recommend u make a junker87 torpedo bomber then try for a wyvern

any gear that doesnt need electronics and u need it for sth, for example 155kai if u are doing chapter14 then u can make it and dont worry too much

[ocean orbit]

she is level 3 damn

[barren tapir]

24% weaker than portland retrofit

[hollow gust]

You want to replace that dd and meta ship too

[barren tapir]

honestly i didnt expect indianapolis to be THAT shit wow

[ocean orbit]

i dont have any other ship 😦

[junior walrus]

run some early stages and get her levels. also based on your levels youre probably early enough you can just throw her in tbh

[ocean orbit]

im in 4-4

[hollow gust]

, ships like Helena and Ranger are practically free

[barren tapir]

get helena from guild shop

ranger can be drop rng keep an eye out for her, what else do you have

[ocean orbit]

i get unicorn from guild shop

[barren tapir]

very early on, long island is...fine as filler but should be replaced as soon as possible.

[ocean orbit]

alright so my team is unicorn-helena-portland-ranger-z23 and

shirayuki?

[undone plover]

in the elite option from guild shop u can get helena
if it is greyed out cause u got unicorn then refresh the guild and get helena

[barren tapir]

currently i have uh

1 flap
1 wyvern
a bunch of dd guns
a cheshire gun for waifu lala
2 ju87 or whatever green ahh german tbs

[ocean orbit]

i dont have enough token but i will

[barren tapir]

oh and 2 quadmags forgot

[undone plover]

then u have most of the good stuff tbh
craft others if u need them
i remember I crafted a few quad mags cause they refused to drop for me

triple 155 kai for CL main gun is also pretty good
u want to make 2 for later (ch14) and for your CLs

can work on sub gear
mainly bidders

have you been doing the sub raid?

[barren tapir]

bc those do not exist in tech boxes i swear

[barren tapir]

tbh been neglecting subs entirely, im in no rush to progress campaign, ik theyre useful for arby and whatnot but

no bulins due to tech points chasing currently (first kms, now hms) so my subs, such as they are, are stuck on 0lb and fairly low levels. i did the lvl35 for hedgehog tho

[cobalt rapids]

u only need i68 for lv65 to start bidder farming

[ocean orbit]

i dont have Helena and Ranger for now which charactsr would you reccomend

[languid reef]

in the ectl, does this mean that a ship can be an off-flag ship or does the ship in question have to be off-flag?
example being: just because warspite is an off-flag sheller, does that mean she doesnt work as well being the flagship?

[cobalt rapids]

get helena from guild shop

[cobalt rapids]

no flag ship requirements means they can flag aswell, the only exceptions would be if they have off flag skill reqs like uvh

[barren tapir]

would a tempesta work like that so i dont have to actually play the sub weekly

i can book amity to 70 or something

[cobalt rapids]

yea but they cost bulins

[barren tapir]

i mean wouldnt i68 also im out of both types

i was asking if i can do it with 0lb tempestas xd

[ocean orbit]

i dont have enough token for now

[cobalt rapids]

but i68 is purple

[barren tapir]

how about whydah then

[cobalt rapids]

mayhaps

[barren tapir]

i got no bulins of either type

[cobalt rapids]

keep ur current selection till u get them then

[barren tapir]

one moment i will show my subs how difficult is the lvl65 tho actually

[forest palm]

any Sailing Frigate should cheese Sub Weekly

[ocean orbit]

should i add lindomp ?

[cobalt rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFzdjTD_eQ this person did it with lb2 i58 and rly poverty gear

[sweet delta]

Do you have this bookmarked or something

[barren tapir]

• mary, amity, whydah, dolphin

[cobalt rapids]

whydah should be fine

[barren tapir]

will try next week

[eager mulch]

whydah ya mean by that?

[ocean orbit]

shirayuki is strong or trash

[vale spindle]

trash

[cobalt rapids]

not good

[ocean orbit]

nelson trash or good?

[vale spindle]

great

[cobalt rapids]

good

[ocean orbit]

alright thanks

[barren tapir]

great (with retrofit)

[cobalt rapids]

good with retrofit

[barren tapir]

🤏

good (enough) with retrofit

[ocean orbit]

this medals are for trade or build

[cobalt rapids]

for trade

[ocean orbit]

which character would you recommend

[barren tapir]

dont requisition, only trade for the shop stuff

[ocean orbit]

or something else

[cobalt rapids]

what do u have in medal rotation

[ocean orbit]

atago takao prinz eugen and minneapolis

and san diego - belfast -sirius -dido in shop

[cobalt rapids]

get sirius and gold bulins

[ocean orbit]

btw is it good to retire characters

there is 4 portland in my dock

[cobalt rapids]

retire blue+ rarity dupes you dont need for MLB anymore

use commons for enhance

[ocean orbit]

then im saving portland and retiring like shouhou northampton?

like do i gonna mlb all character in dock or just good ones

[cobalt rapids]

eventually u will want to mlb all and maybe 120 all
but early its fine to retire blue and purple dupes for medals and dockspace

coz you dont have the coin income to go around lb-ing everything

[ocean orbit]

thanks again

[sweet delta]

Is akagi a mid-end CV?

Maryland is dying to normal difficulty

[cobalt rapids]

akagi gets deleted in 4 salvos

[cobalt rapids]

with rudder?

[sweet delta]

Rudder+beaver+sword

[cobalt rapids]

ig musashi is just that much chonkier

[sweet delta]

Because she is the only BB so warspite keeps chipping her not just every 20s

[vale spindle]

are you attempting challenge hard no rainbow?

[stark quiver]

p sure just mid end examples

[cobalt rapids]

what if u flag and use flag cover?

[stray geode]

opsi updated fleets

hi wanted some thoughts on opsi fleets now that reset is here

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

Does anyone know what war archives are the best to prioritize?

[stark quiver]

divergent chessboard for IB tech

[elfin hollow]

from z46?

also is there ever a reason to 3* a stage in war archives?

[viscid swift]

nope

[slow fox]

[eternal moth]

Mebot in shambles

[barren tapir]

well true ehp only matters if you don't want to die

[eternal moth]

The only HP that matters is the last one

[slow fox]

Manjuu user spotted

[barren tapir]

[eternal moth]

Damn right

[barren tapir]

ok but delaying the last hp is gud

[boreal wagon]

but a ship with manjuu active has 0 hp

[coarse heron]

saw somebody put a Manjuu on Laffey II and seeing her suddenly die with 20% HP in PvP was very funny

[eternal moth]

My Laffey 2 uses Manjuu in PvP.

Loadouts get so weird.

[barren tapir]

does manjuu trigger before or after laffeys skill

[viscid swift]

laffey's skill triggers first

[forest palm]

[undone plover]

so 11 months later is spearfish still a glorified wyvern? or is it noticeably an upgrade in some niche content

[cobalt rapids]

maybe the true midgame is the bc eva we farmed along the way i didnt

[strange valve]

is there any damage adjustment on meta beacon fights (when you help another player)?

[soft raft]

I dont think there's really been much change in its worthwhile use cases

[undone plover]

there is no ally barrage (the random barrage that does good dmg)

[vague fable]

probably a really , really dumb question but is Northeast Passage C - Siren - Controlled Zone hard.

[undone plover]

yeah that is a stronghold
u want level 120 ships and 188/188/144 adaptive tuning before attempting it
although if your fleet dies u can heal and go back inside

[strange valve]

hmm interesting cheers for the info

[vague fable]

alright

[sweet delta]

maybe i will just remove the mid end fleets and upgrade the difficulty rating to Hard

[undone plover]

~~and they say warspoot is weak ~~

[strange valve]

is there any recommended compositions for using amagi (CV)

[sweet delta]

to fight what?

[strange valve]

general things; but say EX event bosses for now

wondering which ships work best with her

[sweet delta]

that's still quite vague so i'll just say shinano, unzen, kazagumo, implacable, nakhimov, haku

[strange valve]

seems like a good list, any other frontliners, you mentioned 2 there

hmm is Chikuma any good

[undone plover]

sirius is good for general CV support
tashkent if u run nekomov but that is tentative still I think
a tank/eldridge if u need tanky frontline
helena cuz helena

[strange valve]

yeah I'm trying to avoid Helena RNG lol

she is busted if you're willing to mald a bit

[undone plover]

in a vacuum I will say sirius assuming unzen can tank w.e fight u are doing
mog is another good option btw

[strange valve]

oh I forgot; did they fix mog eventually?

[undone plover]

she is still not anchorage level tank
but she doesnt insta die at least now
and she has a few quirks that make her unique in boss fights

her stab helps re-position ships like unzen to make torps land better
it also freezes enemy so in very precise setups it can help you land your ordnance better but it is not super reliable

[strange valve]

oh so an implacable alternative then

[undone plover]

not really
a super niche and somewhat unreliable stop
and it has fixed timing
but it has uses sometimes

implacable stop is best freeze in game
there is no comparison

[strange valve]

true lol

also a lot easier to align as she's also a CV

for CV augs do you usually only run one staff + 2 bows?

[undone plover]

staff for all is the default I would say
the evasion is usually better than AA
for campaign I think u can use bows but probably doesnt make much difference

[dreamy blade]

and cvs already have a lot of aa

[strange valve]

hmm that's a fairly good point

[eager mulch]

[odd thicket]

Where main quest go

[forest palm]

Spearfish may do more on light than standard TBs, would need to do some testing

Otherwise it feels like a Luxury Item with no real noticeable benefits over the Wyvern

[rapid grail]

quick question, where do i buy gems on AL JP

[barren tapir]

go back into a zone and click the big yellow button named information, i think it tells you what to do to progress that

[ebon storm]

when is next UR?

[sweet delta]

done, if anyone has auto'd hard difficulty with a mid-end fleet and low-mid tech then send to me for testing

[zinc cave]

Near end of year

[ebon storm]

so now?

[zinc cave]

No, in a few weeks

[forest palm]

we'll probably get a stream sometime after the 12th, and then expect the enxt major event to hit like the 19th, or 26th

[stark quiver]

whats considered mid end

lemme cook something up

[sweet delta]

Say no collaboration ship, max 1 limited UR, max 3 rainbows (permanent+limited+DR) in total
And use your own judgment for gear

[stark quiver]

ill just find some accessible gear

[sweet delta]

And no pr6 pr7

[jaunty glade]

https://imgur.com/2Ae6Mcl
https://imgur.com/MRwLbec
any of these worth getting?

[stark quiver]

no

[jaunty glade]

kk ill just pick a random one from each for tech

[stark quiver]

did u buy the spec core yet

[jaunty glade]

yeah, i have 1000 medals leftover

even after buying both bulins

[storm heron]

le malin for dd fp, shoukaku and zuikaku too, in any case worth getting for collection and tech, make sure you have enough medals though

[amber frost]

How do I cancel this out its getting in the way of my meta boss fights

[storm heron]

you can't

[amber frost]

well I cant handle a meta level 15

[storm heron]

just do 1 fight and auto your dossier

[amber frost]

how do I auto a dossier than ?

[storm heron]

what's your active boss rn? send a screenshot

[scarlet laurel]

what do pr vouchers do?

[amber frost]

meta nagato

she is my first meta boss as shown

[storm heron]

dang, welp just click requuest support and pray, or re-do the meta boss as many times as you need to

[amber frost]

.... wow.

thanks anyway then

[storm heron]

you can ask help here for your fleet if you want to maximize your damage so you won't have to do it 20 times

[sharp socket]

i tried champagne gun setup, 0/5 oneshots, while 457s now on 10/13 oneshots

[barren tapir]

that's not dossier...

[noble tulip]

if you have hindenburg (maybe unzen) you can probably forgo helena altogether

[sharp socket]

neither

[noble tulip]

Also what's your BB reload

[sharp socket]

anyway these were the two comps i used, hiryuuM 2 bb rld 11 cv rld

[viscid swift]

what about a CV fleet

[sharp socket]

are CVs good at medium

[viscid swift]

yes

[noble tulip]

Depends on your cvs

[sharp socket]

ok ill try something then

i have 200aff shinano, d30 haku and fs5 avp

and some planes

[zenith heron]

Especially Enty, Yk2, and Impla if you have em

[noble tulip]

That kills for sure, just run a guam or something to make sure they don't get revealed

[sharp socket]

this is my cv setup

[noble tulip]

But it's pretty crazy that your bb fleet is unable to one shot hiryuum

[sharp socket]

i started in feb 2024

[viscid swift]

use rocket fighters on the fighter only slots

also you don't have Amagi CV done?

[storm heron]

run an azuma or something

[sharp socket]

waiting for december

[viscid swift]

fair enough

[storm heron]

rocket fighter better than the bf thingy

[sharp socket]

also musashi came along

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't have said Musashi over Amagi CV in all honestey

[sharp socket]

so i have extra things to contend for my UR bulins

[noble tulip]

Meh Musashi has uses in campaign

[viscid swift]

not where they stand for the immediate future

W14 done, and no Aquila

[noble tulip]

It's not like Aquila is mandatory for Musashi

And she can be used for boss fleet

[storm heron]

I ahgree with belfast, opsi qol over campaign

[noble tulip]

And pvp if he's into that ig

[viscid swift]

I would borderline argue she is because without Aquila you're really banking on Musashi not getting overwhelmed

not to mention they're not exactly lacking on UR BBs in the first place

[storm heron]

yeah unfortuntely he got AoTN already before musashi since everybody didn't have musashi

[noble tulip]

Ig the point you could make would be that Amagi CV will allow him to ditch dev 30 haku and not bother with her fs5

[sharp socket]

pvp sucks

[storm heron]

but well he did what he preferred, w15 over a better CV comp

[viscid swift]

I'm arguing Amagi CV is better than Haku, FS5 or not

[sharp socket]

i can do amagicv currently

[viscid swift]

and noticably so

[noble tulip]

I'm not arguing she's not ?

[sharp socket]

but december is soon and id rather wait it out

[noble tulip]

And how much would we be really talking about here

Is there a boss you couldn't kill with FS5 Haku that you could kill with amagi cv

[barren tapir]

if you asked me, between two great ships i'd have just gone with my favorite instead of angsting over which slight optimization is superior

[storm heron]

magatoes

[elfin hollow]

thats why u my goat

[sharp socket]

im neutral on both sushi and amagicv so that doesnt apply either

[viscid swift]

pretty much any heavy armor bosses you'll see a noticeable improvement espeically if you run Unzen

[barren tapir]

ah, then yeah it's a tough decision

[viscid swift]

whether or not it makes a kill, I can't say but at they very least you'll get more consistency because you have higher margins of error

[storm heron]

I just got her, how viable is shee without yk2

[viscid swift]

she's not just adept at heavy armor either, she certainly pulled her wait against repulse

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

somewhat unremarkable TBH among UR BBs at that point

[forest palm]

I've found very little reason to use Kears, and I think her usage mostly hinges on her synergy with Yorkii, she's strong, but everything else just does a better job than her

[viscid swift]

my sentiments pretty much

[storm heron]

oh well what a waste of 2 day catbox roll

[sharp socket]

i somehow forgot i had 4 UR BBs while mlb’ing musashi so that was a lapse of judgement on my part, but amagicv will be next unless december is insane for w15 and/or a better cv

[forest palm]

this is why I say PR6 is so skippable the ships are strong, but offer little to nothing overall especially in terms of gear

[storm heron]

I've rarely see hinden too

[noble tulip]

Shimanto skipable is a crime

[barren tapir]

oh well shimanto catchup is coming soon

[viscid swift]

which they can do in a few months when PR6 catchup gets released

[storm heron]

time to get those juicy protocores

[barren tapir]

pr6 has waifus for me

[noble tulip]

Hinden is still the best vanguard damage dealer in the game

[viscid swift]

against medium armor yes

[noble tulip]

Even against light she's top 2

[forest palm]

being the best at doing damage is like winning a runners up medal

[barren tapir]

would it be worth doing for pr6

[sharp socket]

i want hinden too, partially to make my investment into drake gun w/ protocore meaningful

[viscid swift]

it's impressive sure, but not something that has come too often that's useful, especially compared to Unzen

[storm heron]

hinden need 2 guns

[sharp socket]

yes, so ill also get a hinden gun when it goes into protocore

[noble tulip]

What about Unzen ?

[viscid swift]

they're both top vanguard damage and yet Unzen has seen a lot more use than Hindenburg as of late

[crimson glacier]

as of always

[storm heron]

yes Unzen 5 5 5 damage, hinden 4 5 5 damage

[barren tapir]

hinden cope until unzen rerun

[noble tulip]

Well it helps that the latest meta boss is heavy and Amagi CV has buffed her a lot

[crimson glacier]

even in w15 unzen just felt a lot better to use than hinden

[elfin hollow]

just use both

[crimson glacier]

theres limited amount of slots in the fleet

[noble tulip]

w15 is fair

[dreamy blade]

is it worth the 42 electronics to craft the skypirate for independence

[stark quiver]

no

[noble tulip]

But for any medium or light meta fights I wouldn't really consider Unzen over hinden

[storm heron]

in terms of damage contribution surely there's more vanguards above hinden and unzen, so can't really use both

[forest palm]

Unzen doesn't have that much drop off on those armor types

[storm heron]

regarding to this, is it true that unzen in light is better than hinden. The end game tierlist also says so

[viscid swift]

put it like this, when was the last time you used Hindenburg where her vs 2nd place for her slot would have resulted in a noticable drop-off

[hollow sail]

mog tech + cv amagi helps unzen even more now

[storm heron]

nah, save it for wyvern

[forest palm]

People coming to terms that PR6 was very mid

[gray sphinx]

Shimanto?

[dreamy blade]

on that note im currently just using the purple uss avenger on her for the extra efficiency, but would it be better to use a gold barracuda or something

[barren tapir]

shimanto exception ig

[storm heron]

welp shimanto is only useful when you want to push campaign

and there's no obligation to

[viscid swift]

Shimanto is the exception and once PR6 catchup releases that takes care of her

[noble tulip]

felix was good but overshadowed by laffey 2

Which is a shame

[forest palm]

I don't think Felix was ever "good"

[primal silo]

was gonna farm kear
does eu have healers?

[noble tulip]

She was crazy good for w14

[barren tapir]

is felix ok

[forest palm]

she was alright

[viscid swift]

North Carolina I guess

[mellow cape]

What catch up are we on ATM?

[viscid swift]

5

[storm heron]

north carolina and sf the most notable ones, and ofc vestal

[sleek spade]

Why vestal

[viscid swift]

ah yes very effective heal

[sleek spade]

It’s like once lol

[storm heron]

per battle

[barren tapir]

you can also use vg "healers" that arent eu

[forest palm]

you shouldn't really need a healer...

[elfin hollow]

literally just retire her at that point

[storm heron]

I mean they asked it so I just gave them, it's not like nocal or sf is usable as solo heals

[barren tapir]

i mean just run eldridge or something
jda
hell momo lol
nothing says you gotta farm pr exp in difficult content anyway, ch12, t5, opsi c1 dont need healer

[primal silo]

true.

[forest palm]

like any Essex, and Sara/Indep would be more than enough to shred 12

[storm heron]

cali, wasp, princeton probably more than enough

[forest palm]

I cannot in good faith recommend NC, AA tech ah ass BB

[primal silo]

I do have indep on 120

[viscid swift]

don't use any maxed ships for farming XP

[storm heron]

cali/nevada/oklahoma/tenes, and 2 of princeton/wasp/hornet/yt/cas/bataan

[primal silo]

ok

[sharp socket]

CVs

significantly worse than BBs, not even close to oneshot, doubt amagicv can even make it there even if id raised her

ill stick with my 10/13 oneshot 457 comp BBs

[stark quiver]

was hiryuu just the typical medium boss?

[viscid swift]

well there are a few ways to improve it

[viscid swift]

more or less

[full trout]

I have golden darkness from this event. I have like 80 cubes right now. Should I try pulling for nana or lala? Or just save?

[viscid swift]

how much do you care about the collab

[stark quiver]

go ahead
do note there might be a new UR this month
collab ships are one time and gone

[full trout]

Are they worth pulling for? Cuz I don’t really care if they’re collab or not. Just need decent units still at this point.

[storm heron]

then no

[viscid swift]

then no, save for the UR dropping in a few weeks probably

[storm heron]

you have to be like this ^ in order to sacrifice precious cube

[zinc cave]

Yes, the efficiency increase is usually not worth the difference in damage you get from jumping tiers to a gold aircraft

[full trout]

And what about my points accrued towards my ur exchange? That carries over from one event to another correct?

[spring bolt]

momo is more likely to be used in future end game contents than other collab ships but we are not sure about that

[storm heron]

whaat

spill da tech

[stark quiver]

i use momo and lala on opsi mob

[eager mulch]

manual

[viscid swift]

but they have no tech

[zinc cave]

Normal UR pity points is seperate from event UR pity points.

[spring bolt]

if you are not sure, go to light/heavy/special banner and check the UR exchange point, as pt there will not go away for sure

[storm heron]

like tech as in "hidden use case"

[viscid swift]

yes I know what you meant, just tongue and cheek from me

[gray sphinx]

Are you sure about that? I still have the same amount of UR pity in my normal construction banners as my event ones

[viscid swift]

that's a conicidence

[spring bolt]

wut? current event has no seperate UR pity as no UR ship in current collab banner... the UR exchange point in event banner is the normal UR pity as in normal banners, so they are surely the same

[viscid swift]

I think they're on TW

[spring bolt]

oh...

[gray sphinx]

Y’all gaslit the fuck out of me

[still nest]

Is it worth to pay 50k coins to brest?

[elfin hollow]

You have to.

There is no choice.

[gray sphinx]

One of the best ships out there. You should

[spring bolt]

yes, 50k is not much anyway

[still nest]

Aah alright 😭

[storm heron]

depends, it hurts you short term for sure, especially if you are living under the softcap

[zinc cave]

What happened?

[still nest]

The problem is the time to farm those coins

[soft raft]

it's not as much of a problem as you'd think, tbh

[gray sphinx]

The UR pity thing lol. Event or not as long as the event doesn’t have an obtainable UR it all counts towards one pity lol

[storm heron]

my good hint to determine if it's worth, is to see what do you gain and what are the consequences from spending the coins there short term. You will have a brest, great, but then what about the ships, what if you need coins for pulls, or you need coins for research (and you ran out of oil)

[barren tapir]

fleetwide dmg and stat buff (stat buff +2 ships affected per 20s) every 20s lol

[zinc cave]

Well… that’s what it says

[still nest]

I only have 1 phone, I don't have any pc/laptop to play

Also finished all of my chores so I don't have anything to do

[barren tapir]

and very consistent fleetwide healing in long fights, small but nice. main downside is she takes 1 minute to begin healing everyone

[storm heron]

but it's kinda okay in terms of oil since you will obtain 6k oil in like 6 hours

[stone sluice]

If you have not enough blueprints to limit break her then dont bother on spending those 50k.

Setup your priorities: those coins for next UR or investing on Brest

[barren tapir]

at least i assume that is why she'd be considered good her dmg is also decent

[storm heron]

and since there's probably dead week, then 50k is not that much 12-4 wise

[zinc cave]

Oh maybe I misunderstood or misspoke. Normal UR pity will accrue on its own and stay between events yes. UR events specifically will have their seperate UR pity points.

[storm heron]

and hopefully you don't have a niche case where you need to limit break your future-to-be-used ships to replace your maxed mob fleet

[zinc cave]

I suppose there was a miscommunication there

[still nest]

I just started pr5 and only have 22 prints of her

Thank you, I didn't think rationally 😭

Research also eating up my coins so I'm gonna prioritize research, pulls and mlb'ing

[storm heron]

I forgot about that important part

[barren tapir]

tho i do want to hear the actual tech

[vague fable]

wait can I only get Kearsarge fully done through blueprint ? I dont think I can coin it

[barren tapir]

all i know is i only managed to do warspite normal thx to momo heal lmfao

[storm heron]

DR4 and above no coining yet

[vague fable]

pain

[undone plover]

is there a list of fastest loading top UR BBs?

[vague fable]

by the time she is done ill probably have like two La-9 , already got 9 BP

[gray sphinx]

Doubt

[barren tapir]

vanguard is fast iirc

[storm heron]

uvh < vang < soyuz ?

[gray sphinx]

My kearsage is at level 20 and I only have one LA-9 print

[storm heron]

what? how is kear related to La-9 prints

[undone plover]

kear is series 6
la9 is series 7

[zinc cave]

They want both

[gray sphinx]

If only

But yea I was just doubting the person about two LA-9s and kearsage comment lol can’t have both

[storm heron]

I mean this is pretty much possible when you skipped pr6, since by the time they have two la-9s then kear will have catchup and rerun event will have dr6 bps

[plain saffron]

and is there anyone told you otherwise?

also it's 1 or 2, event most of the time use 2 cubes so 2

[sweet delta]

Give it another two years and gph might not be surprised anymore that low tech +10 457 is better than champ gun, +13 or not

[thick venture]

I built up my kazagumo and volga, and got a musashi that I can mlb soon
Where do I put them here

[viscid swift]

Kazagumo replaces Shima and Musashi replaces Howe

[thick venture]

Any other ships I should work towards

[eager mulch]

how many amagi-chans

[storm heron]

how's fubuki and enterprise in the same banner though

[viscid swift]

yes

huh?

[storm heron]

what is the reference for the name

[viscid swift]

just a joke about the ever increasing number of ships in the game with the same name

[undone plover]

who is best between hiryuuM, souryuuM and ark royal META for consistent anti-med testing
like movement pattern wise

[viscid swift]

I don't think there's any particular difference in that department

what did you have in mind?

[spring bolt]

i would replace hood with musa, remove roon muse, move shima to 4th fleet, put kaza in shima's place

[undone plover]

eh just some BB gun comparisons
wanna see if flan gun worth getting or triple champy is fine etc

[viscid swift]

oh that, subtle timing differences really, movement shouldn't have an effect on that

[undone plover]

yeah just wasnt sure if any of em zoom around or have rng elements that might make it harder to test

[noble tulip]

If you run the Biszwei/Alsace/Vanguard setup, flandre gun is bis on Alsace

[undone plover]

lars calc 0 oathed with 1.25 jam is giving me these values
not sure if the BZ 4th salvo will make it

flan gun BZ is the same tho
so rly it is just testing whether flan gun alsace is worth over triple champy all

this setup

[noble tulip]

Ah dunno about un oathed ngl

[viscid swift]

I haven't looked into it because there hasn't been any situation thus far for it to matter really

[noble tulip]

Unironically Repulse Meta

[undone plover]

yeah pilica said the same tbh

[viscid swift]

I don't have oaths and so I use CVs for that

didn't think it would work but riciest cooked

[noble tulip]

Yeah this setup is the easiest one for repm

[undone plover]

identical

[noble tulip]

1 la9 is pretty much guaranteed kill and you can even kill with only bf109’s

[viscid swift]

not exactly

I failed half the 6 runs I did even with a +13 La-9

[hollow gust]

im still with alsace , whats the gear

[noble tulip]

Show me your gear

[undone plover]

is this better than the napoli comp?

[noble tulip]

Ah youre un oathed aren’t you

[hollow gust]

why would u ever use napoli

[noble tulip]

Most consistent for BB comp

[undone plover]

iirc that was rice's initial comp

[hollow gust]

we dont need tank though?

[viscid swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243400562800726026/1311843662522617957/image.png?ex=674e499e&is=674cf81e&hm=55d9c5ae53fd2bb13b28c0cfae2ee57b14f404f3c052c1e3fd6e770feb628a3a&

this to a T pretty much, main difference is I don't have a +13 100 kai

[strange sphinx]

yoh fae, what is that website?

[viscid swift]

so my CVs are getting revealed by the fireballs so I lose the hidden debuff and I lose damage, enough to not one shot

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[noble tulip]

My Eldridge is running +10 Kai and I’m not getting revealed

[hollow gust]

DD tech diff is real

[viscid swift]

well your main fleets are oathed and mine aren't I'm pretty sure

I have max DD FP tech

[noble tulip]

Yeah but that difference only matters on 2nd set of meteors

[viscid swift]

which is where I'm getting revealed usually

[noble tulip]

Hmm

P2W game ig

[viscid swift]

so yeah, a slightly faster set up without oaths might solve the issue or more La-9s but I'm out of repulse META attempts

[noble tulip]

2 la9s is ridiculous overkill

[rapid grail]

does this include any version of akagi or kaga

[viscid swift]

yes

[rapid grail]

Figures

[noble tulip]

https://youtu.be/_RbEy9bxO-k?si=gPaMNA4awsriAidx you can check the differences with your fights if you recorded any of them

Fargo aux and fp towel don’t matter it was just a test

[hollow gust]

U can pass the me gears and I can do a few runs , I still have alot of repulse to use

[viscid swift]

I didn't but because you're launching earlier with oaths the fire balls are being slowed a lot sooner on the 2nd strike, for me they're usually over the half way mark to the CVs by the time they're slowed

[viscid swift]

that

[noble tulip]

You could put the la9 on Amagi and make Nakhimov a bit faster instead

It’s not like you need her slow for the boss herself

[strange sphinx]

hmmmm

Musashi 20.75 for Champy gun and 20.90 for that proto triple AP IJN gun (Don't havr her UR gun)

[undone plover]

musashi wants an IJN gun for her barrage

[wind hazel]

musashi champy

[undone plover]

so her 2 options are daisen gun or izumo gun
and maybe very niche like 1% the yamato gun

[strange sphinx]

hey experiment

Hmmm what is Daisen and Izumo gun again?

[atomic abyss]

proto twin 410 and proto triple 410

[noble tulip]

Daisen / Izumo

[strange sphinx]

hloh that triple AP gun is Izumo gun, IC

[atomic abyss]

PR7 for the left, gear lab for the right (or if you farmed it in sushi event)

[strange sphinx]

are those guns are the alternative for anti heavy Musashi?

boss I mean

[quartz jungle]

Or PR1 for Izumo gun

[zinc cave]

You shouldn’t be using radars on a 3 salvo setup where hit is not that necessary, swap for black/white shells setup and it’ll probably be in kill range

[sharp socket]

i need to put the afct on someone

[atomic abyss]

yes, but no one shd be doing PR1

[sharp socket]

best would be soyuz cause her hit is low but too fast unless i also hsfcr vanny

[atomic abyss]

not alternative, they ARE the best in slot

[sharp socket]

but then alsace will be behind

[zinc cave]

FWIW I tested ur 4 salvo fleet and a 3 salvo fleet w/o radars and without Helena in the fleet and got to around x15~ on both

[strange sphinx]

hmmm Daisen gun is faster.... well don't have it yet so Izumo gun it is

[sharp socket]

and your tech?

[undone plover]

does running 1 vanguard reduce her ehp ?
compared to running 3

[zinc cave]

true forgot I’m maxed on rld tech

[sharp socket]

tech does make a difference

[viscid swift]

reload tech shouldn't make a difference with a 3 salvo set up

[zinc cave]

But I don’t think it makes a difference on 3 salvo or 4 salvo

On those setups anyway

[sharp socket]

im referring to the 50 or so fp tech and whatever else is in there

[viscid swift]

it's actually over 80 for max

[zinc cave]

How much damage does Sandy Kai contribute to the fight and do you have any alternatives?

[strange sphinx]

how do we know if Techs are full?

[sharp socket]

sandy does things

[zinc cave]

Fleet tech trackers

[viscid swift]

use a fleet tech tracker
https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/db/tracker?type=5&stats=fp

[sweet delta]

I heard sandy DPS is a joke compared to ply dps

[sharp socket]

80 is even more then, +80 fp on each BB is a big thing

i can try 3 salvo no helena for comparison

[barren tapir]

[pseudo hearth]

I actually don’t really know, I never checked. How good is Pittsburgh? Is she a tank, an off tank, or what?

[strange sphinx]

watashi wa numba one

[viscid swift]

a pretty decent tank that's somewhere north of Portland but still worse than the CBs

[barren tapir]

97.22% ehp but decent dmg, some support?

[sweet delta]

Somewhere slightly south of drake against medium and light bosses

[viscid swift]

huh, I thought she was higher than Portland, ah well

[barren tapir]

yeah she is more offtank material. provides much better dmg, aa, and support than portland, probably an ok ship overall

[pseudo hearth]

Would she be moved to an off tank with a CB in the picture I guess? Or does she not deal enough damage for that?

[barren tapir]

she is also ca fp

[storm heron]

yeah she's ok considering she's fp tech and also usable in w15 with high difficulty

[sweet delta]

Any ship who has at least one non-D tier on this list is pretty good

[pseudo hearth]

There’s probably much better off tanks for those worlds though right?

[barren tapir]

i know i just didnt wanna overstate her, i feel 'okay' is a decent descriptor of Cs?

[sweet delta]

Words like okay and good are hard to use

[barren tapir]

true

[eager mulch]

mfw sanheart says "great" for the 80th time

[sharp socket]

3 radar no sg helena with champy + doubleshell does kill

[stark quiver]

You have as much as me

[viscid swift]

[insertclarksonsmugfacehere]

[sharp socket]

i think the main source of error is shells not landing

which i cant really control

[viscid swift]

yeah, that's why zwei is so good

[sweet delta]

But does it kill 10/13 times?

[sharp socket]

ill get back to you in a week when i replenish my dossier points

[sweet delta]

Bench zwei, now Eldridge is my best friend

[sharp socket]

also that was 3 radar

this was no helena

[crisp estuary]

[sharp socket]

wrong pic hold on

[crisp estuary]

Anything good from the collab?

[zinc cave]

All the golds are decent, auxes are okay but most are side grades or have direct upgrades

[crisp estuary]

[sharp socket]

helena is proccing for me so i guess it works, this variation of champy gun is now 3/4

the missing one is when 1 radar

wait no the math isnt right…

oh its 2/3 mb

[storm heron]

[sharp socket]

anyway more testing in a week when i get more dossiers

[zinc cave]

Yeah that would be part of it

[clever lance]

Was opsi supposed to reset today?

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

Also btw, you don’t need to kill the thing
Just exit out of battle when it’s 1 or two seconds remaining

[zinc cave]

^

[sharp socket]

then its a waste of time

[zinc cave]

?

[sharp socket]

i want to kill it for hiryuu meta the ship

[zinc cave]

I mean if you want to test kill pot. then you can infinite repeat 1

[atomic abyss]

well not really infinitely but yes

[zinc cave]

If you’re testing for longer than 24hr what on earth are you trying to cook

[sharp socket]

cant get final damage numbers if i do that

[zinc cave]

Yeah I suppose that’s one detriment

But if you’re testing for kill consistency not really useful

[sharp socket]

vanny fires her 4th at 0:01

[sweet delta]

Yeah we can't all be like the pro meta showdown cookers who just cheat for infinite endscreens

[storm heron]

cheating for the larger good

[zinc cave]

Also I’m not mistaken that you can’t view the META boss skills until you start a fight right?

[sweet delta]

In game that's correct

[zinc cave]

Is there a place outside the game? Can’t find it on the wiki but maybe I missed it

[sweet delta]

Cheating for a fleet that's 1% more consistent than existing fleets

There is https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Nagami/BossStats but as you may be able to infer based on the "current boss" being renown, it's not updated

[zinc cave]

Ah personal page, I see

[sweet delta]

The alternative is learning Chinese or learning how to read mines

[zinc cave]

I mean the basic skill text should be somewhere to read on the wiki, the technical numbers I can live without (mostly)

[desert silo]

How do I get meta crystal shards for the shop?

[sweet delta]

Buy from opsi voucher shop

[desert silo]

Ok thanks

[zinc cave]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Shops#Meta_Shop

[stark quiver]

Is the window to stop warspites blinding thing every 25 seconds

[sweet delta]

https://suchiguma.github.io/challengemode/december

[stark quiver]

It was indeed 25s

[sweet delta]

where did you get 25s

[stark quiver]

Is it not every 20s the thing starts, then 5s to stop it?

[sweet delta]

Yes, every 20s the thing starts

That's it, every 20s

[stark quiver]

And 5s to stop it right?

[undone plover]

was there a trick to make the mini game faster? on emulator? sth with fps?

[vague fable]

I can gear according to the wiki guide sent here a while ago , right ?

rn my setup is probably bring out 5% of what my fleet can do.

[atomic abyss]

what wiki guide

[vague fable]

one of the probably worst offender

[atomic abyss]

the only thing right is the toolbox

why do you even have a rainbow oxy torp

[vague fable]

goof'd

[atomic abyss]

those things are, kinda scams

[plain saffron]

Forcing high fps in emu setting i think

[vague fable]

yep, I thought they'd be good on Shimakaze but eh

[atomic abyss]

they're only good on submarines really

and even then, not always

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[vague fable]

wait white is better than black shell on musashi?

[atomic abyss]

white shell is just better period

[gilded shale]

How much coins can I farm within 2 days max?

[vague fable]

how much oil and fleet you got

[atomic abyss]

depends on where you farm and how mny dorm slots you have lol

[gilded shale]

Currently 9k and plenty of fleet

[atomic abyss]

so, very little coins

[gilded shale]

12-4 and 8 slots

[vague fable]

8 slots jesus

[atomic abyss]

i'd say around 100k

[gilded shale]

Fking nana is killing me. I already got full banner (except for nana) and like 12 duplicates of darkness and lala.

[vague fable]

darkness took me around 120

[opaque karma]

are any of the characters in this collab T0 good

[atomic abyss]

maybe

ECTL is more or less dead by now

so it depends on what one considers T0

[opaque karma]

is there a replacement for it

[storm heron]

whoa intercontinental server attack

[zinc cave]

here, where we are flawless and 100% unbiased

[atomic abyss]

there is a replacement in the works

for now all i can say is, nana, lala and darkness are the most notable

[zinc cave]

oh not continuing the ECTL?

[sweet delta]

is ectl taking applications?

[viscid swift]

It's not officially dead

[atomic abyss]

it's as good as dead

[viscid swift]

But it hasn't updated for a few months now and evaluators dopping like flies

[atomic abyss]

4 months since the last proper update

almost all the evaluators have quit

[storm heron]

nana, lala, and golden most likely T0

[atomic abyss]

and even their prelims are bordering on cope

[still nest]

Source?

[sweet delta]

what are the prelims

[atomic abyss]

michita tn

[storm heron]

-prelim

[viscid swift]

Pffft

[atomic abyss]

no source yet

i dont think there'll be a true replacement

mostly cos the view of the people here that would bother to maintain one is that tier numbers are kinda pointless

[zinc cave]

[atomic abyss]

tier numbers only serve to help those that simply dont want to read or find out more

[storm heron]

condensing different properties for each ship into 1 tier is a loss of information

[sharp socket]

no more tier list just samvaluations

[opaque karma]

well at some point u kinda need something like this when u have 400 ships to keep track of

[sharp socket]

my “general” gear guide is in progress too ill get there soon

[storm heron]

samvaluations isn't just ectl description + great ship?

[sweet delta]

that's why there are detailed paragraph descriptions for each new ship

[opaque karma]

whats a samaluation

[gilded shale]

The only tier list that we need is the cup size one

[eternal moth]

Evaluation by Samheart

[forest palm]

clearly starting, and promptly exiting

[vague fable]

huh , should I use Vanguard as my boss fleet support instead of Unicorn

[zinc cave]

not even sure why there's tier list seperators on that thing anyway

[soft raft]

Why are you even using a healer in your boss fleet in the first place

[atomic abyss]

unicorn is a mobber after all...

[zinc cave]

if you squint, the boss is also just a mob

[vague fable]

fair enough

[storm heron]

unicorn prefer many shorter weaker fight than one big fight

[opaque karma]

bob

[soft raft]

Unicorn doesnt have the damage to be worthwhile against bosses

[vague fable]

Musashi took all her gears though

[atomic abyss]

musashi and unicorn use none of the same gears

[vague fable]

Vanguard

[soft raft]

surely you got like a 406 Mk6 lying around or something like that

[atomic abyss]

are your HMS Vanguard or Musashi max limit broken/stars even

[vague fable]

Musashi is , Vanguard isn't

[atomic abyss]

then ignore vanguard

[vague fable]

who should I use my third main fleet ship for bossing though

[storm heron]

[soft raft]

idk when we dont know who you have

(This is the part where you post your dock in a thread)

[opaque karma]

is this ur boss fleet
#gameplay-help message

[vague fable]

yep

[storm heron]

[zinc cave]

guam in the middle...

[opaque karma]

ok im kinda rusted but maybe unicorn should be replace by a BB buffer like howe

[soft raft]

is that a W15 fleet?

[vague fable]

it's best summed up as I am very lucky but have no clue what im doing

[atomic abyss]

no blaster

that is just throw rainbows at the problem

[opaque karma]

ayo eldridge got retro? is it worth it

[soft raft]

Howe doesnt work
Her buffs for the other BBs and BCs in the fleet are pretty

And her self buff requires 3 other HMS ships

[vague fable]

pretty much , it worked so far

[atomic abyss]

eld has a retro, but her retro item is limited

[vague fable]

not against arbiter and hard Opsi which is why im seeking help to change my mindset

[opaque karma]

damn, last i played that was the shii

[soft raft]

then post your dock in a thread

[zinc cave]

yes

but u missed it

[storm heron]

yes very worth it

[soft raft]

(If you can afford it and also have her item, of course)

[opaque karma]

mfw 0/1 wattage amplifier
rerun when

[atomic abyss]

next august probably

[zinc cave]

next year

probably

[vague fable]

#1312751478494203954

[still nest]

What's the current arbiter armor?

[brazen star]

heavy

[storm heron]

how difficult is this current arbiter compare to light and med?

[stark quiver]

easy
very easy

[thorn tartan]

when i complete commissions, it says progress points gained, what is that for?

[mellow cape]

Last month's arbiter was ass lol

[atomic abyss]

cruise pass

[sharp socket]

cant be harder than strength

[mellow cape]

For w15, is this fine for musashi or should I use a different ijn gun

[atomic abyss]

it's fine, esp since you +13 it already

[mellow cape]

that makes it sound like there's a better option, thank you loll. Musashi is one of my few ships that has maxed gear

[sharp socket]

+13 staag

[atomic abyss]

well the daisen gun is slightly better, but no point using more T4 plates

[mellow cape]

What is the name of the daisen gun?

I wanna see the wiki stats

[atomic abyss]

proto twin 410

[mellow cape]

Well I am 12/25 for it so in due time I could maybe invest in it

[soft raft]

#trophy-room

[rose whale]

oh wait, this is gph...

sry

[opaque karma]

anything change here, fleet 2 is mobbing everything else bossing and im not sure where to put plymouth

[ember totem]

Probably where Kashino is

[soft raft]

Huh fym fleet 2 is mobbing

[opaque karma]

oop 3

[soft raft]

Plymouth would replace Kashino yeah

[uneven cave]

Anyone know if the tlr collab ships have different oath lines for their skins?

[spring bolt]

afaik, none

[junior walrus]

I already have enterprise and San Diego? Who should I take

[wind hazel]

hood

[clever lance]

Any idea why my opsi didn’t reset today and how come my “daily mission” button says locked

[tame jungle]

Did you clear the story