gameplay-help

[viscid swift]

you would be suprised at how so many people seem to come in the mind set, they're exaggerating/it can't be that bad

[terse grail]

Does anyone have a max affinity (100 not oath) August von Parseval? If you could check something for me in the game that would be great.

[barren tapir]

since 44% of my gem income has come from 2 lucky successes on 8hr comms. which throws the balance a tad out of whack, naturally

[storm heron]

what is this even for

[terse grail]

I want to know the name of all the fleet chats that are unlocked for August von Parseval at 100 affinity.

[storm heron]

it's just the Love line

[barren tapir]

i would consider hyuuga better because at least she provides a buff to other bbs but neither is good

[storm heron]

D30 unlocks most of them

100 affi unlock love line, oath unlock EX line

[terse grail]

? I'm talking about fleet chat not ex lines.

[barren tapir]

youll want to lvl120 both anyway because they give bb rld

[pseudo hearth]

Ok.

[storm heron]

damn I forgot fleet chat exists

[sharp socket]

if you know what youd use them for you wouldnt ask this question, however it seemed like u wanted to use them for more than tech farming in which case neither are good ships

[barren tapir]

to be fair, that still doesnt answer their question, because even though neither is good, one is definitely better than the other (hyuuga can play cheerleader to 2 actually good bbs if you really insisted, and has pseudo-interception. ise does nothing)

[pseudo hearth]

I don’t really tech farm. I was just interested because I was literally just interested in using one of them just because.

[storm heron]

Kearsarge does the same thing but much better

[pseudo hearth]

✈️

[soft dagger]

theres already a data in that thread, just calc it if you do 8 oil t5

[barren tapir]

this once again isn't what they're asking tho i feel like saying the meta thing once is good enough and then actually answer the question. just cos something is off meta or bad doesnt mean it cant still be optimized within those parameters

[storm heron]

what other requirement do you need for it?

like what are the cats, the crossfleets, the ships, the equips

[stark quiver]

Just tell them who’s better, instead of giving some response they have heard already

[sharp socket]

then just pick one and use them, neither are very good, a quick glance at their skills seems hyuuga is better but performance is unknown

[storm heron]

just use both

[pseudo hearth]

Why does this happen every time I ask questions about non-meta ships

[barren tapir]

also ECTL isnt god's word but hyuuga is t3 and ise is t4

so i guess that supports my general evaluation after looking both over and considering teamcomps

[sharp socket]

theres 10 suboptimal comps for every good comp, we cant know detailed performance for everything except the best and 2nd best

heck even the best performance for specific content isnt well known either

[soft dagger]

crossfleet is musashi soyuz alsace kron shima unzen. cat is flame/mountain antenna and every

[sharp socket]

purin

[jagged harness]

Wow ur bullin?

[soft dagger]

its a known one of the choice for lowcost

[jagged harness]

Where do you grind getting that prototype plane?

[sharp socket]

pr4

[soft dagger]

thats tenrai pr4

[jagged harness]

Alright thanks, I have more guns than aircrafts

[storm heron]

why brequet instead of wyverns?

[soft dagger]

faster

[storm heron]

Isn't quint mags better than quad mags because +20 trp?

Anyways that looks pretty good

[viscid swift]

I rather have my doubts

[soft dagger]

which quint mags?

[storm heron]

the rainbow one

or maybe I was wrong and they perform just the same

[soft dagger]

its slow

[blissful hamlet]

what is napoli good at? is she better than anchorage? is she do more damage than agir?

[viscid swift]

she's good at being really tanky, she does about the same damage as Agir

[blissful hamlet]

sounds like she's not better than agir then

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

she's tankier than Agir by quite some margin

[blissful hamlet]

now she's good

time to ditch ancho

[storm heron]

good in what mode

[sharp socket]

napoli is 1.72 portlands of ehp, the highest and consistent currently

[elfin hollow]

are magnetic torps good on autoplay mob fleets

[deep wren]

can i use combat data packs to accelerate ONLY the production of research DR ships like Friedrich der Grosse?

[pseudo hearth]

Is she the best tank then? Or are one of the CBs still better?

[storm heron]

360 x 2 = 720 protocore vs 3.6m exp for FdG

but then 3.6m in the current T5 is like what, 20k oil?

[sharp socket]

on paper yes
in practice is unknown because not many have d30 napoli to test with fully or are currently testing them, though that might change in a couple months

[weary gust]

You should never cash in combat data packs for ship cdc, turn them into protocores.

[pseudo hearth]

Poor Guam

[storm heron]

guam has much more AA than napoli, so some cases guam might be tankier

[pseudo hearth]

Alaska’s the only hope

[storm heron]

12 tenrai or any rainbow prints definitely takes longer than a week to gather, I would not use them on fdg for 5 days of quicker exp progress (50 fdg bp through coining)

[south sequoia]

not like cbs being less tankier than checks notes 1 dr ca is gonna bring them down any further

though as far as we're concerned only 2 of the 5 rainbow cbs have a niche outside just being big tank and decent dps bot

scratch that, 3

It's all down to what you need
do you need the extra sustain? do you need aa? do you need armor break bot?

napoli and the cbs ain't exactly a one shoe size fits all

[weary gust]

Kron has a niche use in opsi, for having the best cross-fleet buffs.

[pseudo hearth]

Curious which 3 you're talking about

[south sequoia]

brest guam agir

[pseudo hearth]

Ah, of course

I always forget about Brest for some reason

[south sequoia]

kronk and azuma aren't anything special, though kronk has the crossfleet buff going for her

but outside that

they're just big chonk and good damage
nothing special

[pseudo hearth]

Speaking of, Kron for mob or boss in taking advantage of her crossfleet

[south sequoia]

doesn't make them bad, just means they don't have anything else to offer to make you pick them over others in situations

[south sequoia]

mob

[elfin hollow]

i like kron on mob fleets yea

[pseudo hearth]

Reminds me, I was wanting to make a team consisting of only ships with summons. What team would be good? Only ones that come to mind are Kursk, 2, Italy DD, and 2.

[sweet delta]

It doesn't work because lower cost yields lower coins from clearing rewards

[storm heron]

wait really?

[viscid swift]

well as always any content you had in mind particular? and will it be a mob or boss fleet

[storm heron]

I never know that is possible

[viscid swift]

yep, that's how it works

[pseudo hearth]

I mean, considering Bisk is there, Boss is probably better. For content, idk, it's meant to be a "for fun" team, but it'd really depend on how good the team ends up being.

[undone plover]

Does that mean low cost T4 is better gold than T5

[storm heron]

pts/oil wise low cost T5 worse than 5 oil T4, better than 6 oil T4

[barren tapir]

the cursed bulin strat i love it

[viscid swift]

well in terms of other main fleets a quick look through the wiki and Bearn META, Little Illustrious, Volga, and Rodney META are you only other main fleet options it seems

[barren tapir]

momo

[viscid swift]

honestley depends on how far you push it but Rodney META, Zwei, Volga, and the 3 new collab characters would be my choice

[pseudo hearth]

I don’t have Rodney Meta or Volga, so I think I’m stuck with one team.

[viscid swift]

yeah....

[sweet delta]

volga has a summon?

[barren tapir]

lala and nana kinda have summons but theyre not "real" as in they dont tank hits for you and truly 'persist'

[pseudo hearth]

Wait, the collab characters have summons?

[barren tapir]

momo does

[viscid swift]

yeah, at least according to the search I did on the wiki

[storm heron]

that's not a summon isn't it

[sweet delta]

That's not a summon is it

[storm heron]

that's like soyuz's ice but slow

[sweet delta]

It's just a bomb that falls slowly

[barren tapir]

good ones actually, since they have up to 75% uptime, there's 2, one high, one low, and they can block suicide botes and stuff while doing decent dakka

[viscid swift]

meh, blame the dev's descriptions

[barren tapir]

they also have 50% of momo's hp and eva so they can survive a bit i guess

[storm heron]

50% eva sounds pretty fragile

[barren tapir]

however, lala's vaccuum isnt technically a summon, it's a suction whirlpool with a vaccuum animation added

and nana's penguins arent technically summons, they shoot 3 waves of torps and leave, and do not block attacks or anything

[storm heron]

it just sounds :sushidoubt:

[pseudo hearth]

Kursk is still summon queen

[barren tapir]

let's put it this way, they should end up being overall tankier than the tempesta chest, and that actually lasts for a bit of time (and it's center). being up/down reduces the amt of hits they take and there's 2 of them

[sweet delta]

Why is the vacuum not a summon?

[storm heron]

isn't there a SSSS Summon or something?

[barren tapir]

depends how you define summons but i would consider summons stuff that persist on screen and can take damage and die while attacking

[stuck talon]

is momo a tank?

[barren tapir]

no

[sweet delta]

The vacuum does that no?

[barren tapir]

i dont think the vacuum can take damage...lemme see

[pseudo hearth]

Sort of? They turn into a mech

[barren tapir]

oh nvm it does...wtf

[sweet delta]

It has HP and a hit box

[barren tapir]

99999 hp and 100% all stats

but it leaves once the whirlpool ends ig. but ye fair, it counts. Wtf

[storm heron]

vacuum kun can actually die

[barren tapir]

no it cant because no enemy in this game i know of does 99999 damage in a couple seconds lol

[storm heron]

can the vaccuum pull the torpedo ship?

[viscid swift]

don't jinx it

[storm heron]

modney

[barren tapir]

sad that nana's truly arent summons tho they have no hp

[sharp socket]

rodney meta fight last few seconds

[weary gust]

What about that Tempesta that summons the treasure chest?

[barren tapir]

ngl tho i have no idea what the shrapnel thing is

[elfin hollow]

the treasure chest can be destroyed yes

[storm heron]

it's a shrapnel

[barren tapir]

thats an aux

1200 hp 200 eva

[elfin hollow]

fancy's augment

[barren tapir]

anyway momo's things will be like ~2480 hp and ~70 evasion with 78 lck. so squishy but there's 2 of them and they're not center so prolly wont die super fast

[barren tapir]

What?

[elfin hollow]

doesnt her augment summon the chest

[barren tapir]

no, it's an aux

[elfin hollow]

i coulda sworn

[barren tapir]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chest_Full_of_Treasure

[elfin hollow]

ah ok

[barren tapir]

passive shouldve been gain +1 coin if battle ends with the chest still alive

[pseudo hearth]

Can I say, Kursk is really unique honestly. I wonder why we don’t have more ships like her. Sending in minions to do your job for you is so

I’d take that over “Average Event BB kit #35”

[viscid swift]

ask the devs that one

[barren tapir]

momo

[spring bolt]

what about fargo's cargo?

[barren tapir]

i do love summoners i hope to see more. pink vanguard good tho even if nanas are not technically real

[pseudo hearth]

You know what, I even miss Zombie Ships

[barren tapir]

literally just got two this event alongside a third that makes the lowest hp ship into a zombie

[pseudo hearth]

I mean, when was the last one we got before that

[barren tapir]

if anything there's too many zombies and it's not cool anymore

honestly theyre not very good abilities usually...imo. cos like theyre great sustain over multiple battles but if you fell that low already...you're in a bad shape.

zombie with a better threshold like 50% or higher would be nicer

also, unicorn kinda reduces how good they can be outside low cost farming

[pseudo hearth]

Remember before oil cap though. I absolutely loved using Minnie.

[barren tapir]

does neptune being revived by augment count

since she's actually a good ship now instead of expensive phoenix

[pseudo hearth]

Maybe, I actually meant to ask how good her augment is?

[barren tapir]

very good

[pseudo hearth]

What does it do?

[barren tapir]

shes not meta or anything but it was a huge durability increase and solid dmg gain

[viscid swift]

it's a good upgrade for her but she's still not impressive

[barren tapir]

35 fp, 20 eva, 20% crit rate, every 10s fire barrage and gain 5% shield for 5s

wouldve been a better upgrade if that barrage was ap but it's still pretty good

[sweet delta]

Watarase has a diff zombie skill

[sharp echo]

Does ship lb limited to their rarity, I mean like UR ship only can take UR bullin and so on

[barren tapir]

UR ship = UR bulin
SR ship = gold bulin
E or lower = purple bulin

[mint flint]

yes, the exception being purple bulins

[sharp echo]

What is that

[mint flint]

they work on all purple and below ships

[sharp echo]

Oooh right

[pseudo hearth]

Monarch Augment is gonna go crazy though

[fathom sable]

Welp,nothing.Any where else?

[sharp echo]

Oke2, so it's safe to "waste" rare bulin right?

[barren tapir]

commission

[barren tapir]

tho tbf all pr1 so far have been pretty good upgrades to the ship even if they're not necessarily enough to make them outstanding. so monarch's should follow that

[sweet delta]

retiring level 120 ships

[sweet delta]

It's guild ops, too bad but you can't cancel them

[barren tapir]

at least you can probably expect guaranteed barrage or something along the lines of hood aug

[fathom sable]

Holy! thanks alot!

[barren tapir]

oh is guild ops also 'in action'?

she is in action

[sweet delta]

Who could have expected a level 120 ship to be chosen for commission

[pseudo hearth]

The thing is, Monarch was always the best PR1 ship, so I’m honestly expecting her to become pretty good once she gets that augment. Hopefully Hood after augment level.

[sweet delta]

The thing is, just look at what monarch fs5 did. And this speculation doesn't belong here anyways

[viscid swift]

do I need to bring up the list of garbage augments

[pseudo hearth]

||JK ||

[bold stream]

Hello all. Just got my Uni retrofit. Next would be portland to helena then z23..?

[barren tapir]

portland then z23 then helena if nobody else

[stark quiver]

between dd cl ca fp, does one have more prio over the other

[viscid swift]

DD FP is gonna be more impactful when it gets used but you use cruisers more often than you use DDs at least from my experience

[stark quiver]

thanks

[bold stream]

Should I do helena reteo first or maybe sandiego first?

Now that Unicorn is done.. saratoga is the next cv that comes to mind to retro.. is there any other cv thats a must retro other than unicorn?

[pseudo hearth]

Do you have Sandy’s retro item already?

Might as well ask, what world are you at?

[undone plover]

Sandy retro is very expensive for a beginner
If u are in chapter 12 u can consider it tho

[bold stream]

I have 5k currency. So I can buy her unique item on the shop.

Currently w8 atm. Pause because I am using all my oil on event except hard modes...

[pseudo hearth]

Oof, what UR ships do you already have? Because I’d recommend getting the UR bulins for them before Sandy’s item.

[barren tapir]

whatever ur retros, helena is the lowest priority of "good ship" retros

[bold stream]

So hold of for abit... Thanks!

[undone plover]

Independence if u can spare the core data
Also nelson is a good target to retro after portland and z23 if u dont have a good second BB

[barren tapir]

i would absolutely do indep, sara, nelson before helena if you decide to use any of them

[undone plover]

Also dont buy sandy unique aug item yet
The currency can be used to buy UR bulins which u might need next month

[bold stream]

But, i dont plan on doing nelson.. since i am saving for my Grobe

[pseudo hearth]

Huh?

[undone plover]

Grosse will take a while
And in ch 9+ u want to raise a second fleet which will require a decent BB

[pseudo hearth]

Oh blueprints

[bold stream]

She will eat all gold BB

[barren tapir]

if you have other capable bbs nelson is skippable, it's optional but my point is, do any good ship retro you plan/want to use, before helena (helena is fine to do if you have no other desired retro currently). helena retro is low impact until endgame mostly. main benefit is SG radar timing with bbs using the 15% faster first salvo aux, and a bit of bulk

[bold stream]

Okay! Thank you!

[undone plover]

Problem is grose without 513 blueprints is not going to be better than nelson retro
So even if u unlock her now she will sit in your dock waiting for her dev30

[barren tapir]

fdg take 51 days to dev30 at 10 bp a day that is a long ass time if u currently dont already have 2 serviceable bbs for campaign use at least

[viscid swift]

let me put it in simpler terms
right now your main goal is to get to W12
FDG will not help with that goal for at least 2 months

[undone plover]

Although if u have a good 2nd BB u can skip nelson sure

[bold stream]

This is my BBs rn.

[undone plover]

[barren tapir]

nelson is your best bb after musashi (since you shouldnt waste bulins on uvh)

[viscid swift]

cope with Bismark or retrofit Nelson

those are your 2 practical options, FDG is not practical at this stage

[barren tapir]

you can cope with bismarck if you prefer tho but nelson would be a lot better after retro

[bold stream]

Cope with bismark? Is her stats that bad?

[viscid swift]

she's mediocre

[barren tapir]

old 'faction buffer' flagships like bisko got support taxed heavily so they are weak even when buffing their faction, the years have not been kind to them

[bold stream]

Btw, why is uvh not worth the ur bullins? I kinda like her mechanic that she fire twice before everyone else..

[undone plover]

I recommend u rotate UvH and Bismarck out when u finish FdG’s first cdc
Next one unlocks in 29 hours so farming with them would be a waste (kind of)
U can get more levels on nelson this way as well

Or u can just stop farming tomorrow and resume day after

[barren tapir]

shes fun but lower end of UR bbs and new URs are higher priority for bulins. plus she can be mlbed eventually by perm UR exchange

[undone plover]

Because december UR will almost certainly be more worthwhile than her

[barren tapir]

it's just more pragmatic to save UR bulin for newer URs

[bold stream]

I am also thinking of this! Thanks!

My oil production is so bad anyway that it would be filled up for just more than a day..

[signal ice]

Best SSR Merit ship to get?

[elfin hollow]

Bulin

[signal ice]

Besides bulin

[barren tapir]

eldridge if you have her retrofit item

[pseudo hearth]

Does remind me. I'm not at the point yet, but I don't have Shima or UvH, which one would be the better pick up?

[storm heron]

cube for 2k

[barren tapir]

perm ur is shinano > nj = uvh > shima iirc

[deep wren]

for what i use the prototype cores, i know i can exchange for some gears in shop, there's some difference in the gears shop?

[barren tapir]

yes you exchange for powerful gears like tenrai and 406mle gun

[deep wren]

i saw many guides about gears, but i'm feel like a door to understand wich is better

but in resume, i must exchange all combat data into prototype core

[pseudo hearth]

Got it

[summer cove]

is this xp divided between all ships or are does every ship receive 18k xp???

[real jasper]

What is the fastest main gun for musashi guys? I see a purple gear as her bis in the guide, so I wonder if it's reallly the best for her

[stark quiver]

mikasa gun

[barren tapir]

every ship

[stark quiver]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_305mm_(41st_Year_Type)#Type_0-0

fastest gun for musashi that activates her skill buffs

[real jasper]

Ty very much, but it's a blue gun, is it worth to use it over the 4* one?

[wind hazel]

use this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_410mm_(3rd_Year_Type)#Type_3-0

or this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_410mm_(3rd_Year_Type)_Kai

[wind hazel]

purple one btw

[summer cove]

every ship get the 18k or it is divided by every ship...?

[wind hazel]

the blue faster guns are pretty much only used in pvp

[tall bane]

everyone get 18k

[summer cove]

oh so cool

[stark quiver]

nah, its more of a pvp gun like mori said, the twin 410 is more practical

[boreal apex]

Is slaimuda github not updating anymore?

[stark quiver]

seems so

[real jasper]

Btw how do we get more of those x2 sortie chips?

[wind hazel]

the people that work on it is doing sidequests

[plain saffron]

Still alive but site not updated. In their server there's prelims

[barren tapir]

opsi voucher shop and weekly pack

[zenith heron]

pretty much, so if you are interested its better to ask them on their discord

[plain saffron]

It's just the site that's not updated immediately after a ship is released

[barren tapir]

tbf their prelims in server don't have tempesta last i saw

[plain saffron]

It's tempesta, does it needs prelims

[barren tapir]

im curious what they think about fancy in an actual objective setting that isn't "tempesta bad"

[elfin hollow]

i actually like fancy

i use her in mob fleets

she doesnt die basically

[barren tapir]

i do too she feels like an extremely competent tank as long as there arent significant planes (and outside of heavy vanguard plane pressure which isn't super common, still competent enough) with bonus against light armor

im no evaluator but id personally put like

T0 tank Anti-Anti-Air tag (T0 outside heavy AA content, T1 otherwise, and yes invent new tag for her lol)

[humble tapir]

what are good light cruiser guns that you get from the main chapter maps below 6-1?

[wind hazel]

get them from ironblood tech box

forget about farming gear blueprints from map

[boreal apex]

What is the best build for shinano in mob fleet ?

[humble tapir]

oh ok

[wind hazel]

flapjack tenrai wyvern

[humble tapir]

also is there a difference between homing and magnetic torpedoes?

[boreal apex]

Uhh for the substitute?

[plain saffron]

Homing is magnetic

[wind hazel]

for which?

[plain saffron]

They actively try to turn into enemy on range as long as it's in certain angle

[humble tapir]

oki

[stark quiver]

hellcat helldiver barracuda?

[humble tapir]

oh its just a name difference

[plain saffron]

The torpedo bomber is parallel vs converging. Converging doesn't actively follow enemy

[boreal apex]

All of em, because i have them equip in other cv

[wind hazel]

idk what you have

[stark quiver]

^

[boreal apex]

Good enough?

[barren tapir]

not mlb

[stark quiver]

helldiver for bobmer
maybe a parallel torp bomber

[boreal apex]

Not enough ur bullins yet

[plain saffron]

Mobbing right

[boreal apex]

Yes

[wind hazel]

there are better mobber to replace a non MLB shinano that you can use

like Independence

[boreal apex]

Don't worry it will be mlb next week

[wind hazel]

do you have Braguette(sp?)

wtf is the spelling

[stark quiver]

breguet

[wind hazel]

ye that

use this if you have it https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bréguet_Br.810

otherwise go with gold baracuda

throw that suisei or whatever that is away, use purple helldiver

also do not go beyond +10 randomly

those plates are wasted on that suisei

[boreal apex]

I have it but perseus is using it

[wind hazel]

well rob it from perseus

unlikely you're gonna use perseus anyway

[boreal apex]

That was an accident

[stark quiver]

💀

[boreal apex]

[real jasper]

If I MLB a ship on banner already, is there any point to keep pulling, do the extra unit can do anything to your team?

[wind hazel]

no

[viscid swift]

no

shouldn't have even gone to enough to MLB

[fresh briar]

North Carolina is worth it to use?

[viscid swift]

no

[fresh briar]

King George V?

[viscid swift]

nope

[fresh briar]

Meh

Btw Bremerton good or what because I got her

[viscid swift]

she's CA FP tech

[boreal apex]

I guess my fleet is in mess right now since i just get back to this game after almost 2 years off

[storm heron]

need more explanation?

[sharp socket]

this chart is only for hard content

[storm heron]

all she have is CA FP tech

as said

[wind hazel]

well i mean your follow up provided nothing but confusion to the table

[viscid swift]

yeah you do know 99% of people don't know how this works right?

[wind hazel]

the same chart also put eugen higher than portland, does that mean we gonna be pushing eugen over portland?

showing the list with 0 explanation and context is just terrible

[stark quiver]

not to mention thats a tl geared towards hard content and not considering the al population thats at around w12~

[barren tapir]

i mean bremerton is probably a fine enough mobtank up to w13

[sharp socket]

itll be better to say that she has good tech, and can maybe be used in w13 but not further

[barren tapir]

actually wtf she is only 83%

[storm heron]

yeap

[barren tapir]

tho i think that's calculation of a 90s battle which isn't how she'd be used

otherwise idk why there's less than 1% diff between front and not front. she should be around portland level with superior dmg for the first 30s

[viscid swift]

even still I can name a number of ships who could perform the task better for less

[barren tapir]

yeah definitely

so basically what celerio said is how i'd phrase it. she's not good but she's serviceable up to w13

[sharp socket]

bremerton just seems like damage CA with some self living or okay AA

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 looking too deep into it, she's CA FP tech, nothing more

[forest palm]

Bremerton can Mob Tank short fights, but that's nothing exactly to right home about

[storm heron]

so How good is KGV? she's BB FP tech

[sharp socket]

her damage output seems like her main thing but unknown performance

[barren tapir]

aka, serviceable up to w13

[storm heron]

[wind hazel]

i wouldnt even use the word serviceable on her

[forest palm]

Bremerton is very much a middle of the road CA

[storm heron]

the answer is just pplain no

[wind hazel]

because that imply pouring gold bulin into her to use her

[barren tapir]

serviceable doesnt mean good but there's more than just "bad" and "good" imo. she will pull her weight up to w13

[wind hazel]

i would personally recommend against using her

[storm heron]

nope

[wind hazel]

it's really only for tech completion, that's when i'll ever use her

[barren tapir]

right i forgot nuance doesnt exist in this channel

[storm heron]

welp looking at the previous answer by the same guy so just nope would be more appropriate

[sharp socket]

well when i was progressing i made questionably subpar decisions too but they got me to 13-4 just fine before being able to rainbow spam the hell out of the enemy

[wind hazel]

i used warspite, need i say more

[sharp socket]

for example i made takao offtank boss in 14-4 lethal

[fiery pelican]

how much exp required to lvl 120 to 125?

[storm heron]

I even offering myself to answer question related to the tierlist if they have one

[barren tapir]

Bremerton is a versatile heavy cruiser that is primarily used in the off-tank position, but can be used as a main tank for mobs due to her damage reduction skill. She lacks the necessary survivability to main tank end-game bosses. She deals very good damage due to her MGM+1 and good on-fire skills. She is an oddity for CAs in that she has fairly good AA, not enough to solo carry, but worthwhile to supplement your AA.

well my argument is she isnt even bad to raise cos her tech is ok, so serviceable is an accurate descriptor for a completely average gold CA

[wind hazel]

1,310,000

more if UR, which i forgor. it's on wiki

[storm heron]

SR it's around 1.31M, UR it's around 1.572M

iirc, check wiki though

[storm heron]

should have sent this actually

[eager mulch]

[fiery pelican]

Does it means she's maxed?

[eager mulch]

maxed no, capped on xp yes

[sharp socket]

ectl probably grades bremerton where she should be

[stark quiver]

it means you can get her all the way to 125

[eager mulch]

no

[storm heron]

wait what my mumbojumbo was right

[barren tapir]

tbf i think that ECTL description was written several years ago, since her dmg definitely wouldnt stack up to modern ships. but again, feels like a completely average gold CA and there isnt exactly a major downside to levelling her as long as you arent super duper new, given that her tech is decent enough. so even better if you get some use from her while at it

[plain saffron]

Not enough to 125

[eager mulch]

xp to 125 from 105 > 3 mil

[viscid swift]

well to be fair you had no better options at that point

[zinc cave]

Capped on surplus XP which is 3 million.

[plain saffron]

A ship can only store 3 mill exp

[viscid swift]

finding a ship that's better than Bremerton isn't the most difficult thing in the world

[wind hazel]

you need 6,312,000 from 105 to 125 for UR

[stark quiver]

i was reading it bottom to top

[forest palm]

ECTL updating their ship discerptions an guides on their site is a wild thought

[plain saffron]

No matter lvl100, 10t, 110, 115, 120, 125
All can store 3 mil only

[fiery pelican]

okay, farming event is not enough for me on gold xD

[wind hazel]

lv 10t

[eager mulch]

they’re trying (I think)
preoccupied by opening packs on pokemon tcg pocket

[barren tapir]

takao is ranked with bremerton and is also D in the end game tho, so i feel like its just as easy to find ships better than takao by that metric

(i would consider her marginally better ig since she is actually more durable than portland, by 4%)

[plain saffron]

Hard to notice the typo when there's green vertical line on it

[wind hazel]

gofundme this wiki person 😭

[barren tapir]

but now if the original argument was 'brem takes gold bulins' we now gotta say 'takao takes gold bulins and augment'

[sharp socket]

i rank takao a D in w14 boss because she died countless times and resets for being there

[viscid swift]

okay so I'm not making the argument Takao is better than bremerton

[barren tapir]

im just discounting the no better options thing. since if it's not difficult to find ships better than brem (correct) the same hold true for takao

[viscid swift]

just that there's a difference between using a below average ship when there's plenty of other better options at your disposal and using a ship that may be mediocre but that's the best they have

[sharp socket]

sushi needs more tiers in his list
SS
S+
S
A-Z

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

trust me, Celario had no better options than Takao ready during their W14 push it was wild

[barren tapir]

okay, i guess we should've asked them what other CA and so forth they have since brem could either be below average or one of their best options lol

[stark quiver]

oh yea i rmemeber the w14 crusades

[barren tapir]

damn okay

[forest palm]

I like Prydwen's method of tiering

[viscid swift]

and by ready I mean anything that could be done in a few weeks

[barren tapir]

honestly i think his list works well for the purpose it's trying to fulfil

[barren tapir]

i don't take it on face value but it's a nice reference ig

[viscid swift]

adding more tiers would just overbloat the thing

[stark quiver]

ew light mode

[storm heron]

except nobody cared enough to test

[barren tapir]

i think he's a good enough player to trust at least a little bit on faith

obviously im not taking it as gospel

and if there's a significant discrepancy im sure someone will bring it to attention sooner or later

[viscid swift]

I've already given a look at most of the vanguards, and if you take it within the parameters it's going on I don't really have any major disagreements

[sweet delta]

The more tiers there are, the higher the chances of a ship being tiered wrong

[barren tapir]

💯

[little tree]

the real crime is light mode

[viscid swift]

Damn really have to expose me like that

[barren tapir]

anyway for all the C and D stuff on sushi's list you can refer to ectl for a breakdown on casual gamer ships

[stark quiver]

bro how much ships do u actually have thats under 120

[viscid swift]

uhhh

[forest palm]

probably less than 30% of ships in the game at this point

[viscid swift]

2nd row is about where the 120 stuff ends

[wind hazel]

cheeky what's your tech point now?

[storm heron]

I'd like to send my 120 ships here too

[viscid swift]

all the level 100 ships you see there have XP banked to reach 120

[stark quiver]

i need to start grinding more

[barren tapir]

gameplay-flex-channel

[wind hazel]

thought it would be higher

[sharp socket]

cheeky going for the 200% completion

[eager mulch]

my brain was rotted first by amagi-chan, then by spamming Petropavlovsk in wows ranked

[viscid swift]

I may or may not have slacked on getting purple bullins early on leaving me behind in MLB everyone

[storm heron]

I guess if I contribute enough I can send more dock pics and not worrying about being sent to general

[stark quiver]

dont worry
as a newb i scrapped every single bulin i had

[forest palm]

[viscid swift]

this is why I don't consider myself old, compared to some here my account is practically new still

[eager mulch]

66% win rate tho

[barren tapir]

so uhh any newbie have a question?

[wind hazel]

yes, Myth need some fleet fixing, help him out

[barren tapir]

look at all the gph regulars flexing

[eager mulch]

im new to the server, joined today, is amagi-chan good?

[sharp socket]

yes
did i cook 2026 anti light

[little tree]

should i save the 30 DR prints i get from newbie quest or use them on AGIR or HAKU

[viscid swift]

needs more HVARs

[barren tapir]

DR4s will probably get coining soon™️ or so i heard

[viscid swift]

and rainbows

[eager mulch]

needs more rainbows

[sharp socket]

i dont think i can do 6 hvars chief

[barren tapir]

you can, after yk2 rerun

[viscid swift]

like 2026 Antilight would be like Kearsarge, Yorktown 2, Nahkimov

[sharp socket]

its my first yk2 event

[barren tapir]

run more

[viscid swift]

with 2 Skyraiders

[barren tapir]

how much oil and HELPs do you have?

[stark quiver]

refer to my convo abt yk2 events

[stark quiver]

1 skyraider work?

[barren tapir]

which convo

[eager mulch]

2026 we will have Malta

[wind hazel]

hey who knows, maybe Dec UR will have hvar v2 🙂

[little tree]

Does that meanb pr 5 coin as well ??

[viscid swift]

sure

[stark quiver]

scroll until yesterday or day before idk

[viscid swift]

yes

[barren tapir]

oh neat

that's pr6

oh will pr6 get catchup at the same time?

[sharp socket]

kear yk2 nakhi is expensive

[little tree]

Oh oops ~~i was at work for 12 hours mis remebered ~~

[stark quiver]

wheres yk2 and kear or some

[barren tapir]

those ships arent HMS

[sharp socket]

im making “cheap” 2026 antilight

forgot to specify that sorry

[storm heron]

ah yes hvar very cheap

[viscid swift]

yes

[sharp socket]

only 3 hvars doable with yk2 rerun

[eager mulch]

[barren tapir]

70 hours of grinding 💀

[summer prism]

is there a good aux in this collab?

[forest palm]

that's if they don't fix HVAR drops in the rerun

[sharp socket]

6 hvars in 1 week might be much

[stark quiver]

dont worry i can make that 100 hours

[barren tapir]

sweet

[storm heron]

yes the 500 hp that has heal stacks with toolbox's heal

[barren tapir]

i assume shimanto is the easy pick for that

[viscid swift]

40 FP DD aux

[barren tapir]

2 hp aux, eva aux, dd fp aux

[barren tapir]

that one is CA or heavier iirc

[storm heron]

the aux with FP and ACC is the second best option for DDs that need FP

[viscid swift]

datamine lied to me

[barren tapir]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Speedy_Sprouty_Botanist if u meant this one ya it's CA+

common DD L

[stark quiver]

its gud option for front line that needs fp and hit

[south sequoia]

Mogador fans stay crying

[barren tapir]

its ok DDs did get a bone fp hit

[storm heron]

[forest palm]

imagine not having Dyna Cannon

[eager mulch]

when has datamine not lied to you

[viscid swift]

that's also cruiser only

[barren tapir]

at that point go for 1 hvar per day

[viscid swift]

Like this is the best we can do right now

[forest palm]

ya that thing

[barren tapir]

how much time would 1 hvar a day take 💀

[forest palm]

again it's hilarious DDs can't equip FuMOs when you can literally see one on Nimi's actual ships

[stark quiver]

its 168 hours total to grind
which i think is way too much

or a bit less idk

[barren tapir]

160 probably assuming 8hr maint

reduce time for reaching d3 to begin with, altho that's not that much

[stark quiver]

no sleep 7 days world record

speed run d3 rly isnt that much time

[sharp socket]

my “accessible” setup

[barren tapir]

ye probably like half an hour or less but had to be precise

[storm heron]

meanwhile me with 3 he bbs

[forest palm]

to the days of old using Dork

[barren tapir]

accessible and uses event ship

[viscid swift]

is this for 6 or 5

[sharp socket]

im raising indomie and lusty anyway for w15, thought id get more mileage out of them when i finish w15

[stark quiver]

max
as much as i can

[sharp socket]

what event ship

[barren tapir]

who would be an accessible replacement for indom...lusty muse?

[stark quiver]

indomitable

[viscid swift]

Indomitable

[barren tapir]

who else has 6 fighters and perm

[sharp socket]

indomie not in perma pool?

[viscid swift]

nope, she's from Vanguard's event

[stark quiver]

no

[barren tapir]

she was vanguard (and rerun)

[sharp socket]

always thought she was

[eager mulch]

[feral ridge]

[stark quiver]

also going by that, im more leaning towards 3 BB

[barren tapir]

so would the next best be lusty muse for cv setup

this is not me coping my 1500 core data impulse buy is finally useful

[stark quiver]

how long is each d3 run when 1:1 with best xfleet

[sharp socket]

when u get to w15 itll probably be useful because i got muse lusty too

[barren tapir]

7 fights lets call it 5 minutes?

[forest palm]

you want anti light get out the Number 2 Pencils from the Essex Case

[storm heron]

idk I used lil illy, illy, and indomi

[viscid swift]

uhh 20 seconds ish for mobs and the boss you're looking at a bout a minute at least

plus transiting time and load screens

[stark quiver]

so the usual 15 mins per 3x i guess
which means 15 mins of sleep between each cycle

[barren tapir]

maybe 4 minutes

[eager mulch]

gn gph

[barren tapir]

chat am i cooked if i dont have reliable 1:1 setups for yk2

[storm heron]

gn gph :smolmagisleep:

[stark quiver]

no

[barren tapir]

i figure uni will work but after she runs out of morale im ded

[sharp socket]

just pray it doesnt come in december

[viscid swift]

farming HVARs won't be quite as easy in quantity

[stark quiver]

anyways im raising 2 more unis prolly

[storm heron]

no 1:1 means more oil for the same run

[stark quiver]

?

[barren tapir]

time to raise second uni?

[viscid swift]

I said farming any large number of HVARs won't be easy

[barren tapir]

actually ig i could cope with shouhou if it's easy enough

[stark quiver]

ah
farming like 4 + 1 from shop not too hard?

[viscid swift]

yeah this is where Perseus finally sees use from me plus Klaudia or Volga

[barren tapir]

or just full fleet cope

[sharp socket]

time to raise zuihou

[barren tapir]

depending on how late yk2 ends up being i could be fine off mail oils honestly

[viscid swift]

that also works but morale and oil issues become more rampant

[barren tapir]

if its right after collab tho im turbofucked

[viscid swift]

if it makes you feel any better JP patch notes this time had no future notice section

that usually means a quite period

[boreal apex]

Fleet building help

[sharp socket]

44k oil in storage, maybe 50k by the time it appears 2025, 3 hvars

[stark quiver]

coping they dont rerun and immedietly add hvar to gear lab (it takes gold plane designs)

[forest palm]

mildly wondering if the HVAR will get power crept by the GL Update

[stark quiver]

praying it does

[soft raft]

inb4 another rainbow rocket fighter

[keen pewter]

does combat logistics plan also double xp

[viscid swift]

could we just buff La-9s mods to be 140/140/140 instead

[sharp socket]

2027 kill everything fleet

[soft raft]

think of those as doing 2 runs at once
so double everything-including the negatives-besides # of sorties for such missions

[sharp socket]

i had this on hand but only one person can do this setup before 2026

[keen pewter]

ok great

[barren tapir]

by 2027 im sure there'll be a UR cv who can go 9 fighters

[obsidian ivy]

How long will 6 la9 take I wonder

[junior walrus]

I got all the special blueprints. Should I just buy regular or maybe Gold weapon chests?

[mint flint]

its a good idea to always get the arrays and cogs

they are pretty timegated

[sinful escarp]

yeah arrays and cogs, and imo farm a bit more points to get momo incase she doesnt drop

[sharp echo]

Momo ship useful?

[karmic pebble]

Is this good for aviation fleet? Any recommendations or are these ships Aite

[stark quiver]

Very good

[sharp socket]

amagi cv to replace haku is only improvement i have

[stark quiver]

Oscar isn’t a cv cat, but alright

[karmic pebble]

so cat and haku, alright, but the vanguard is okay?

[sharp socket]

yes

[karmic pebble]

ok tq

[junior walrus]

im making sure to keep 8k on me till end of event and worst case i just spend it once it ends

[tame jungle]

Good idea

[junior walrus]

Is Saint Louis that good?

LOL NO SHES TIER 2

Are any of the shipyard units good

[wind hazel]

a lot of them are good

[sinful escarp]

ship tiering is somewhat biased

[junior walrus]

i mean ive gathered that its very situational just seems like a lot of effort for a tier 2

[stark quiver]

same effort as any other pr ship

[wind hazel]

from PR1 they are pretty much only for faction tech, or have easier to access alternative

look into getting FdG from PR2

[sinful escarp]

and at some point you will need to get them anyways

[junior walrus]

i should NOT compose retrofit material right?

it is becoming increasingly more difficult to resist as i get closer to unicorn modernization

[wind hazel]

depends on the situation i guess

oh you can't create the gold one

[junior walrus]

you can compose purple into gold, no?

[wind hazel]

no

blue into purple yes

[junior walrus]

word i might take a break from grinding the event to get back to progressing regular campaign. I'm only on 6-3 atm.

[heady siren]

How do you get a ship to say "special touch" lines?

[wind hazel]

most of them, touch their boobs

some are located somewhere else, like their butt

[heady siren]

[junior walrus]

I’m assuming the purple variant is not nearly as good as the gold?

[wind hazel]

no this is pretty much 2nd best HE gun in the game

[spring bolt]

gold mk6 is not good since slow reload, and it's research only
purple mk6 is your best friend

[wind hazel]

the upgrade would be the rainbow mk7

[junior walrus]

is that what i get from the prototypes i bought?

[wind hazel]

uh, what did you buy

probably not, mk7 is from gear lab

[wind hazel]

that's AP gun

[spring bolt]

no, that's 406mle, AP gun

[junior walrus]

Still good gun tho right…0

[wind hazel]

yes it's usually the best

they are just both different use case

[spring bolt]

you use different gun against different enemies, so you will need both mk6 and 406mle

[wind hazel]

HE=light armour
AP=medium and heavy armour

99% of the time, some case different

[junior walrus]

Im running portland, laffey, helena, unicorn, howe, and albion. Who am i putting the 406mm on?

[viscid swift]

It can only go on one of them...
Howe

[wind hazel]

[junior walrus]

being honest i'm still learning all the abbreviations and i haven't had time to really dissect this page https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment#priority_guides

I'm probably wrong, but from what i've seen in the game early gearing seems to be...odd? Like obviously BIS is BIS, but there's a ton of gear.

[wind hazel]

tbh early game level advantage will probably take care most of the gear differences would make, so it's less noticable even if you put less than desirable gear, unless it's really really dogshit tier

[junior walrus]

I did a full regear yesterday thanks to this discord, but im trying to avoid roadblocks so stuff like that seems to be good to know. Like that would've just sat in my depot when it's 2nd best weapon for one of my units.

The GitHub guide has this best augment for laffey? I know they’re a heavy gold investment but would it be worth just to get it and not upgrade for a while?

The carrot

[wind hazel]

not a priority

prioritize other augment like hood's or saratoga's

[junior walrus]

dont think i have them yet

[wind hazel]

it's hard to justify crafting laffey's augment because you'll be replacing her sooner than later, so the coin sink is kinda wasted in a way, especially for new players

and it doesn't really boost the dps that much, like not a make or break augment

[sinful elk]

Chat are any collab ships this events are worth using

[atomic abyss]

It depends

[wind hazel]

also augment is straight up lv10 or it doesn't work, so you can't craft it and leave it there

[atomic abyss]

The short answer is that the golds are good
But are they better than what you already have? Is another story

[sinful elk]

Probably only a few of

[bold stream]

Are this gold bb main guns good for use?

[spring bolt]

it's hard to justify hood and sara aug as well, hood dps with aug is still low and sara is not important after ch 13 age
just prio sandy aug

[atomic abyss]

No, both gold BB guns there are shit

None of the gold BB guns that comes from boxes are good

[bold stream]

Okay thank you

[atomic abyss]

Give all your BBs the same gun that Bismarck is using (except Musashi)

[wind hazel]

that's really extreme lol

[bold stream]

They can ve upgraded tho? Are they good after upgrade?

[atomic abyss]

Musashi, you should give her the purple twin 410mm that's at +8

[atomic abyss]

They are the 2nd best in the game for HE ammo
The only thing better is their rainbow upgrade, which is something you wont get for a very long time

[bold stream]

Ah.. I place musashi in the ur gun to lower her chances of getting mvp

[mellow cape]

Does shimato shine anywhere else that isn't w15?

[bold stream]

Yes is always the star with that 410 sakura gun...

[atomic abyss]

And Sandy isnt important until 13...

[atomic abyss]

Since she's god in w15, she is the same in w13 and w13h

She's still strong in w14, but to a less extent

AA is a non requirement in opsi so

[mellow cape]

Yeah true, okay noted. What would a shimato vanguard kinda look like?

[cobalt rapids]

she doesnt have any fleet requirements, just put other 2 vanguards that cover roles u need for that content

[atomic abyss]

You use her as an AA carry and heavy armour damage
What's the rest depends on what the fleet lacks (asw? Gunnery?)

[spring bolt]

well i did tested hood with aug dps in cm, she's doing about 70% to 75% of top gold bb/bc damage, as expected, which is easily out damaged by most new bbs
sara is just whatever tbh...

[wind hazel]

ok but have you considered that most new players don't have the newer BB and so

[atomic abyss]

Weren't you one of the people that was saying Sara retro was top tier in w13 way way way back then....

[sweet delta]

hood having bad boss dps is old news

[wind hazel]

feel like most of your comparison is so out of context

[cobalt rapids]

sara also takes awhile to replace unless u start on like a ur cv banner or smth

[wind hazel]

if everyone have their hands on amagi CV and bisZ, for sure we won't be recommending these outdated ships

[spring bolt]

hood is not easily accessible either for new players, at least my new account has no chance getting one

and i don't have sara as well

[wind hazel]

if their medal shop have BB rotation, they can have hood early on

[spark ridge]

Is everyone’s medal shop a diff class each month?

[atomic abyss]

And that's excluding the newbie mission rewards if you already have enterprise

[wind hazel]

and saratoga drops pretty frequently from campaign, it's one of the most accessible CV other than independence or enterprise

[atomic abyss]

The medal shop rotation is server based

[spark ridge]

Ah Oke

[cobalt rapids]

sara has more longviety than hood tho, and also no tb ordnance means no/less reliance on torps till u get a slower up to par in opsi

[spring bolt]

why would i take hood over tirpitz from medal exchange? hood has no ib tech, can't intercept, only advantage is dps which is not much...

[junior walrus]

AUGs seem to be more later half of mid game pushing end game so I’ll just take the word out of my vocabulary for a little bit

[atomic abyss]

because tirpitz is shit otherwise

and also relies on an aug

also, hood's interception capabilities are wildly overly shat upon

[cobalt rapids]

dd gun interception is enough imo

[spring bolt]

what? tirpitz aug is useless unless you use biz or ib bb/bc, which is not likely to happen for new players

[atomic abyss]

3x DD gun at 150%
2x CL gun at 200%

it's not actually much difference in practice

also, tirp's damage is far lower in practice outside bosses

[spring bolt]

search range and dph, those are what matters
early dd guns has shit range and dph, new players don't have access to gear lab dd gun

[atomic abyss]

30% dmg buff is nice, dont get me wrong

but she doesnt have the ability to clear mobs quickly

[signal fog]

what Nakhimov good beside W15 support ?
who is her other 2 ship ?

[cobalt rapids]

some unique augs are worth grabbing early if the offer big upgrades to ships
purple augs not at all till ure at stage where u can +10 all ur gear with no issues

[atomic abyss]

all 3 illustrious variants, implacable, langley kai, indomitable are great for w15 support

[cobalt rapids]

dealing dmg
her fleet req is a NP slower for extra dmg and freezing capabilities

[signal fog]

i mean besides w15 support ?

[atomic abyss]

damage

[mellow cape]

I think he's asking what else is Nakhimov good at besides W15 support and who are the 2 other ships on the backline

[atomic abyss]

she is literally the highest DPS carrier
that also happens to slow

[signal fog]

what is NP ? lol. 1st come in mind is Noble Phantasm

[atomic abyss]

russian

[cobalt rapids]

russian ship

[stark quiver]

northern parliament

[atomic abyss]

did you check her skills by any chance?

[signal fog]

not really, i'm bad at reading text, lol

[atomic abyss]

tldr is she is the highest DPS carrier in the game with the right team mates
she can also freeze enemies in place with the right team mates

[spring bolt]

tirpitz has no issue clearing ch 10-12 back then, hood getting an aug won't change that, and trading ib tech and aux gun interception for that extra dps is stupid imo

[atomic abyss]

in the first place

[spring bolt]

i mean, using nelson will make a lot more sense than hood

[atomic abyss]

you can literally get hood from the newbie rewards too if you have enty

and then it would be good to actually take tirp

also, why are we pretending as tho nelson herself isnt even MORE hot garbage than either of them before her retro
the only point for her is she's given for free

[signal fog]

idk, for now i like BB comps, easier to setup. CV kinda like a hassle
so, pair Nakhimov with Soyuz ?
which one better CV fleet, Sakura or Nakhimov and friend ?

[atomic abyss]

you know, a retro new players wont get quickly cos uni is higher prio?
and port?

[atomic abyss]

soyuz with nakhi and one other CV

[signal fog]

who is the other CV ?
i'm using Shinano Implac Haku now

[spring bolt]

"if you have enty"
i would need to take enty as newbie reward
gold bulins and aug stones are also not free

[atomic abyss]

what if enty is in the medal shop lol

you're just overly obsessing over a shit ship lol cos of tech

which is putting the cart before the horse

this isnt 2018 where hood and tirp are equals

[atomic abyss]

haku
then put amagi with shinano and impla

[spring bolt]

it isn't 2018 so you don't make dps as prio for choosing newbie ships
and it's you obsessing over a shit ship for 100% barrage proc chance... which in the end, has low dps compared to new ships

[signal fog]

aight, thank you very much

[wind hazel]

brother, this whole thing begin with crafting laffey's unique augment, and i said to not craft it cause hard to justify the cost vs effectiveness

[bold stream]

So I should just not retro saratoga and nelson?

[atomic abyss]

you retro unicorn first and then portland because those are way higher priorities

you worry about nelson and sara later

[wind hazel]

and i followed up with saying hood or sara augment would be a better investment

[spring bolt]

starter and portland, newbie mission need starter 7 nodes, not uni

[bold stream]

I have uni already... Working on portland gold cruiser things

[wind hazel]

and you said they aren't worth investment, only focus on sandy's, which is wild

[atomic abyss]

uni first because she's literally one of the most broken ships in this game dfg

[bold stream]

I finished my newbie already and got enterprise

[spring bolt]

mission only needs 7 starter nodes, no need to finish it

[atomic abyss]

uni first anyways

[bold stream]

Yeah, i did 7 or 9 nodes.. nodes without gold requirement

[atomic abyss]

portland needs like, 1 gold cruiser BP iirc

[sweet delta]

~~~~🍿

[spring bolt]

just do 1 or 2 x-1 clears and you are done with the mission, no point in putting it behind uni grind

[slow fox]

Portland metioned

[bold stream]

Hello all. Which CA for a second team is gonna be better.. eugen? Heinrik? Tallin? roon? Algerie? Zara?

[sweet delta]

show all of your purple and gold ships

[bold stream]

Okay let me finish this run

Those are all my gold CAs

[spring bolt]

it doesn't have to be CA btw, you only need a CA if it's good

[bold stream]

These are my CAs and CLs...

I'll mlb sandiego as soon as she reach 70.

[slow fox]

Definitely Eugen.

For Maintank.

[gilded carbon]

what about Zara or heinrich?=

[atomic abyss]

She isn't the best ship, but she's already MLB

[slow fox]

Or Hipper, for the level advantage.

[gilded carbon]

aside from the current missing mlb, of course. But that can be changed in time

[atomic abyss]

Might as well use the already MLB Eugen to save on the bulins

[bold stream]

I have a lot of gold bullins..

[atomic abyss]

And they'll vanish very fast

[spring bolt]

waht do you have in your second fleet? or just a concept?

[bold stream]

Just a concept for what to look out for. Currently using single fleet

[atomic abyss]

I'd probably end up using momo tbh

[spring bolt]

musa flag? if so you can use that until ch 12 and not worry about second fleet at all

[bold stream]

I was thinking same thing but thats newbie me.. her skills need time to get all the fleet.

[sweet delta]

Is momo just Portland with a lot more damage and buff?

[bold stream]

Musashi, enterprise unicorn..

[unkempt mortar]

alright, i can mlb one UR only rn
musashi or amagi CV

[atomic abyss]

Momo is a CL tho suchi

[gilded carbon]

i will probably put FdG on the backburner as i dont have the coins to quickly coin her to 30. SO, Musa may take over even with a lvl disadvantage and i either dont use a BB in my Boss-Fleet or Musa does that and Nagato Meta has to continue serving as my Mobbing-BB

[spring bolt]

perfect 1 fleet lineup... the fleet building can be centered around ch 13 in this case, which is no rush and you can wait and see what you get, especially what's for Dec new UR

[unkempt mortar]

anybodyy i cant decide who is a better invest rn

[bold stream]

So vanguard is still portland, helena, z23?

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur other URs

[kindred arrow]

Got a question, is bank xp enough to 120 a rainbow from lv 100?

[atomic abyss]

No

I believe it's like 3.4?

[sweet delta]

Yes but why would you want to waste exp books on a strong ship

[spring bolt]

sounds fine. you can replace them if you have better ships but not necessary. z23 will be the first to go but again not necessary

[kindred arrow]

Ugh, almost
I guess I should awaken till 110 to be sure

[unkempt mortar]

CV: shinano, i guess kearsarge counts too somewhat
BB: kearsarge obv, nj, alsace, fdg, vanguard, uvh

[cobalt rapids]

amagi cv if these others are alr mlb then

[bold stream]

Should I just replace z23 with sandiego or momo to lv them early?

Is that even a good idea

[unkempt mortar]

kearsarge is one star away from mlb
fdg, vanguard are also non mlb

[spring bolt]

sandy is the better choice imo
you can try that but sandy is expensive, if you can't full retro and get her aug, i would say don't, or if you need to move resource for other ship to sandy then also don't

[storm heron]

what happened here

[bold stream]

Okay thanks alot!

[sweet delta]

A lot of gameplay help obviously

[spring bolt]

me daily "tirpitz over hood" talk and big red name doesn't agree as usually

[atomic abyss]

Most people wouldn't

[storm heron]

hmm

[frank pulsar]

tirpitz over hood is imho
i can see where yr coming from though

[spring bolt]

anyway my test is still ongoing, currently cmdr level is hard capping me and im stuck with event t5 grind... planned to keep tirp at lv105 and see how she does with in ch 10 and 11

[storm heron]

also i think I agree with ender since hood good barrage

[spring bolt]

tested hood dps, not satisfied with it... barrage is... good looking i guess

[atomic abyss]

Look, as a veteran, nothing a newbie will use will satisfy us lol

[frank pulsar]

wasnt hood on the weaker side for t1...?

[atomic abyss]

I will concede on the fact tirp is almost certainly a better bosser than hood

[spring bolt]

the point is, the dps advantage hood has over tirp is not that much and newbie should not fall into a dps trap

[storm heron]

I guess tirp kinda good for IB

[frank pulsar]

huh? i was always under the impression that shes underperformer for bb, and that she needs biscuit

[cobalt rapids]

i just test lv100 hood in 10-2 for intercept
single suicide boat - clears even ooa
dual lane top bottom ( ) - leaks 1 if vang doesnt catch the other one before she starts shooting - 155 bb wouldnt help
triple vertical line on boss - leaks 1-2 depending if none were caught - 155 bb would help(?)
no other leaks ( from passing by vang )
gear and lvls is accurate, no 2nd fleet
with said caveats it could almost solo 10-2 lethal with 4 ( 5 if u count the ungeared unicorn)
so i dont think interception will be an issue for using hood, the part of the arg i took issue with since i also used bama as my solo bb for my campaign push

[storm heron]

woah

why do you have lvl 100 hood

[atomic abyss]

Nah that one is definitely not true

[frank pulsar]

did tirpitz augment change that? idr what her aug does

[atomic abyss]

Tirp's biggest issue was always that it restricted her team comp
Her damage was never really in question

Her aug I believe removed that restriction partially

[frank pulsar]

ive been told her dmg was bad since day 1

[patent bobcat]

I'm really new to al, what's the best use of my cubes? Do I invest it all on building event ships or do I just use them on light/heavy banner?? What do you guys suggest

[atomic abyss]

Save for UR banners
Do 1 light build a day only

[frank pulsar]

save for end of year ultra rare, do only 1 pull on light per day
pulling standard pools is highly discouraged due to how abysmally low the drop rate is for an actually good ship from there

[atomic abyss]

30% flat damage buff is one helluva drug

Especially considering it does counteract the 0 ammo debuff partially

[gilded carbon]

Tirpitz lvl 125, she just destroys. Her DMG is fine

[atomic abyss]

That's most likely cos she's 125

[storm heron]

newer gacha URs are infinitely stronger than their SR counterparts. Therefore our suggestion is to keep cubes as high as possible by only spending the virtually free 1 pull per day. Ofc this is for strength, some other thing sentimental like this collab banner, might be worth spending for collection and limited stuff reasons

[patent bobcat]

Ahh Ok tysm, when is that ultra rare banner??

[spring bolt]

ideally you save all cube for December new UR but game experience will be bad as you need to hold it...

[atomic abyss]

Some time in December

[frank pulsar]

mid-late dec - early jan
sometime arnd there

[atomic abyss]

Anything else, just rely on the free ships you can get from guild shop or other missions

[frank pulsar]

i had sushi as a newbie so ssr bb never impressed me except owari

[atomic abyss]

Tirpitz DPS isn't horrendous by the standards of her time by any means
The issue is moreso that barragers are just seen as way more valuable

[patent bobcat]

Yikes Ok appreciate it ty guys

[atomic abyss]

Admittedly tirp has mag torps to smooth out her damage curve somewhat

[pallid robin]

how many cubes is safe to save there?

[atomic abyss]

400 cubes
That's just enough to hit the pity for limited URs

[pallid robin]

Thats a lot of cubes and patience

[sharp socket]

same except with soyuz, hood did well in mob though probably cause she was 125

[atomic abyss]

You get 168 cubes a month at least

It's not an unachievable goal

[patent bobcat]

Quick question how does pity work in this game and is there any soft pity??

[storm heron]

no soft pity, pity here is actually not a scam

[sharp socket]

cube income is just something you do your dailies and forget about until a good event comes and realise you have lots of them

[atomic abyss]

There's only 2 kinda pities
The permanent UR spark and the limited UR spark

[plain saffron]

Only spark for UR
No soft pity or pity for non ur

[patent bobcat]

Oh ok

[plain saffron]

Though the rates are high enough and income is high enough to be able to collect all if you play and plan properly

[storm heron]

me when doing cube research

[spring bolt]

well my gear situation is much worse than that but im not ch 10 yet. only 1 128skc and it's on z23... yes i don't even have a twin 120 for dd
also any chance you try hood in ch 11? as ch 10 suicide ships are 600 ish hp and ch 11 ones are 1400 ish hp

[storm heron]

suddenly my cube went down by 200 after 2 months of cube research

[sharp socket]

i think hood v tirp wont matter much unless theyre speedrunning to w12+ and have to do it without overleveled ships

[storm heron]

is max f2p cube income expected to sweep banners?

[cobalt rapids]

well, i can but based on that hp shes prob gonna fail to kill, at the very least on ooa

[plain saffron]

If you know when to bail, probably

[atomic abyss]

I feel like at that point it'll depend on the quality of your frontline and rng

[plain saffron]

Like if you 400 cubes in for 1 elites you know you not going to be well

[storm heron]

cuz probably yes since cheeky did it

cheeky only -giulio cesare I think

[plain saffron]

I didn't buy any cubes or packs with cubes and i have almost 100%

The one I'm missing all free ones

[spring bolt]

just checking node data, worst suicide ships in 3 star main/air fleet have 2000+ hp

[cobalt rapids]

ok then its cooked

[storm heron]

so tirp just better

[atomic abyss]

Do remember that tirp doesn't have the aux gun +2 like most other BBs

[storm heron]

tirp has longer range iirc

[stark quiver]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

Oh

[storm heron]

that's kinda wild. I guess time for me to not do any more cube research

since I'm always in constant fear when my cube dips to 3 digits

wait anxiety is the word

[stark quiver]

I don’t cube cuz it’s kind of a waste for me

[storm heron]

I got into cubing before because it was satisfying to get 3+ bps every other hour

[atomic abyss]

She does yes
Though her interception ability isn't great either
Definitely better than Hood tho

[stark quiver]

I don’t play enough to get into early metas

[atomic abyss]

Bismarck is the one that intercepts stuff at long range well

But can't intercept for shit that comes close and doesn't get KOed

[storm heron]

oh wait is tirpitz long range

[atomic abyss]

Tirp has +1 CL guns

[storm heron]

I just read the skill and coulnt find the long range

[atomic abyss]

Bisko has the weird skill that buffs and debuffs the gun

[crimson glacier]

i have no idea where u got tirp range

[storm heron]

oh so it was bisko

[atomic abyss]

He's mixing up Bisko and Tirp

Or maybe Odin and Tirp

[spring bolt]

the long range is kinda a debuff tbh, it can be attracted by trash mobs
tirp is standard range

[atomic abyss]

I genuinely cannot remember what I used to clear w11 I must admit

[spring bolt]

nagato for me but i can't remember the rest of the fleet as well

[sharp socket]

make a new account and lettuce know

[cursive lark]

I cleared w11 by staying there and building more BBs

[sharp socket]

i cleared w11 by farming in 2 events beforehand and used hood

[atomic abyss]

LOL
LMAO EVEN

[storm heron]

LMAO 2019

[atomic abyss]

I was using Bisko and Tirp for boss

And amagi for mob

Yeah that makes sense
She was literally the best mobbing ship at the time...

[storm heron]

why only 2 vanguards

[crimson glacier]

saving oil

[sharp socket]

that looks uh
pretty scuffed to my zoomer brain

[atomic abyss]

There was no oil cap back then

[sharp socket]

but i guess thats how they did it back then

[atomic abyss]

Vestal was for 6th ammo buff

[storm heron]

I did remember that minneapolis was used solo or something back then

[crimson glacier]

minne was by far the best CA for a while in EN

[atomic abyss]

Minneapolis was the best solo ship yeah

She's everything Neptune did wrong, done right

[crimson glacier]

except her heal sucks

[storm heron]

looking at minne farming while listening to admiral neldrin's guide

[atomic abyss]

Well minne damage was way more consistent and iirc higher too

Tho apparently this happened

So I ended up doing this

[atomic abyss]

Nagato was definitely the meta for w12 tho

[crimson glacier]

good for w11 too

[atomic abyss]

So most likely the foxes

[crimson glacier]

i used foxes with nagato on w11 and 12

[storm heron]

healers are invented in 2020, people in 2019

[crimson glacier]

healers were meta ever since release

[atomic abyss]

^

[crimson glacier]

i have no idea why ender doesnt have ryuuhou or shouhou there

[atomic abyss]

Minneapolis and Ykk meant I could avoid running a healer entirely

And I preferred to take the 6th ammo at the time for lethal

[storm heron]

oh the repair ship

[atomic abyss]

Ordinarily I would use Shouhou yes

Uni was just worse than Shouhou outside w12 back then

[storm heron]

where's your enterprise, portland, helena, starter dd

[crimson glacier]

there is helena and starter is whatever

we probably had portland retro by then tho

[atomic abyss]

Port retro has been there since like, end 2018

Monty also outtanks port kai btw, albeit barely

[crimson glacier]

with our without aug

and i doubt you had rudders

[atomic abyss]

Monty Aug has damage reduction
So she'd be frailer yeah

And yeah I'm pretty sure I didn't have rudders
So CAs would lose out more than CLs

The beaver badge I had at the time was for minne probably

I'm surprised no one commented on the random hyuuga kai

[crimson glacier]

didnt you mention using ise, she is like 4x worse than hyuuga

hyuuga was used a lot

no one used ise

[atomic abyss]

I didn't want to use Mikasa lol

[storm heron]

hyuuga was better, nobody used ise

[atomic abyss]

No it was hyuuga lol

[crimson glacier]

???????

i literally just said hyuuga is better

[atomic abyss]

Hyuuga has a backline wide FP buff
She also has an interception barrage

[storm heron]

gn gph it's time

[atomic abyss]

Ise's sole dvantage is having a better airstrike

[spring bolt]

iirc i joined this discord long after i cleared ch 12 so i found nothing here...
but the old UI surely reminds me of a lot of things, like i even used ijn faction fleet for ch 12 boss...
and that was pre nerf...

[atomic abyss]

Oh

[atomic abyss]

Ise actually has higher damage than Hyuuga if used together

Ise has 5% more main gun efficiency and they both have the same buffs

[crimson glacier]

yeah i know, if you remove 1 hyuuga skill and add it to ise, she magically is better, who would have known

[atomic abyss]

Regardless it was definitely scuffed lol

[spring bolt]

half retro already dead back then or you just didn't care?

[winged barn]

Black or white shell for BB's?

[atomic abyss]

I literally still have Yama half Kai sitting in my dock

[crimson glacier]

half retro doesnt work for ise and hyuuga

[atomic abyss]

Both, but white first

[cobalt rapids]

ran 11-2 ( since thats the only one on lethal i have left)
added augless sara for better emulation
hood cant deal with suicide botes at all
leaks even on ammo single lane
but the fleet could still one fleet 11-2 due the the fact alot of botes aligned with hoods barrage so they were killed on spawn, that + vang gunnery and ramming they could dredge through it

[atomic abyss]

This

For Hyuuga and Ise, you only had I think 2 nodes before modernisation

So there was no half Kai nonsense

[gilded carbon]

should i craft a bunch of purple Augs for the ships that dont have any of their own?

[atomic abyss]

Yama and Fusou had way more
I believe 5 or 6, enough to substantially buff them
Including like a 10% main gun eff buff?

[storm heron]

you should +10 all your equips first, then aug

[spring bolt]

oh yeah right... manjuu realized that after yama and fuso

[atomic abyss]

They also realised how bad their retros were

[storm heron]

which means if your ship don't have equip, then they won't need aug

[gilded carbon]

Yama and Fusou Kai Ni when

[storm heron]

kearsarge production lore

[gilded carbon]

understood. Will do so for Unicorn first and then work my way through my content-push fleets

[sweet delta]

new player with no bomb fighters and no dbs and no tbs?

[spring bolt]

i'll see what tirp can do once i have enough cmdr level
for now still 58

[atomic abyss]

I believe the point here was to test interception

Sara's DBs might kill the suicide boats instead

I think we should all forget Hood and Tirp and just return to using Amagi BC

[storm heron]

idk if amagi is better than hood post aug

[spring bolt]

and i don't even have sara... at this rate i will have to 2 bb + uni in ch 10 and 11

[cobalt rapids]

her stock dbs u mean

[gilded carbon]

Sara is easy to get though, no?

[atomic abyss]

And that's when using tirp becomes an issue...

Which is rather unfortunate given the test you're trying to do

[storm heron]

I mean they have musashi right?

pretty sure you can get musashi to mlb in 1 month

[atomic abyss]

The issue with derpitz is that she loses her 30% damage buff when used with other BBs

Unless you use her with og Bismarck

[gilded carbon]

aside from Bismark?

[spring bolt]

it has nothing to do with bb choice i think... i mean if i picked hood i still have no access to sara...

[atomic abyss]

Or her augment

[gilded carbon]

Does it with with Bisko?

[cobalt rapids]

anyway i rewatched my footage sara didnt kill botes with her airstrikes