gameplay-help

[copper ermine]

sorry i meant if i dont pull in the collab event can i even pity with only 112? I dont know how fast i can get cubes

[viscid swift]

like I said the next new UR ends about a month from now so you're only looking at about 200ish cubes

[stone sluice]

Next UR event is gonna ends at the beginning of January so I guess you can guarantee pity if you keep playing

[junior walrus]

If i keep same pace ill have like 100 cubes by end of the week and i just started lmao

[eternal moth]

You'll average a minimum of 168 cubes a month; if you're active, it's pretty easy to get quite a few more than that.

[undone plover]

she is kinda not worth if u have anchorage and agir or any other CB like guam
but if u get her and coin her to dev30 she can give u 3k protocore from her catchup

[civic crag]

that’s just weekly and daily task right? doesn’t include cruise pass and commission rng

[eternal moth]

I'm pretty sure that includes cruise pass, but not comms

[civic crag]

okay

help fleetbuilding hard arbiter

[eternal moth]

Oh no, it's 168 plus 20 cubes every 2 months from cruise pass

[civic crag]

sick

[copper ermine]

Sorry but i have another question. Is shimakaze better than eldridge and yuudachi retro?

[soft raft]

Shimakaze and Eldridge do different things
I'd say in terms of relevancy, it's Eldridge retro > Yuudachi retro >= Shimakaze

[cobalt rapids]

Yuukai is relevant in 2024

[eternal moth]

Where would you put Mogador, in between Eld and Yuudachi?

[soft raft]

probably yeah
like a >=

[pallid vortex]

For comissions should I prioritise on cognitive chips or oil

[eternal moth]

Probably cog chips

[pallid vortex]

Got it thank you

[sharp socket]

is 457s good for this month harby

if i set rld to 0 and change to fp cats i can just about sync 2 strikes with helena

[stark quiver]

If you can time it sure

[sharp socket]

maybe 3rd strike is possible too if i manual frontline to live

[eternal moth]

Why not just use triple 406 if you're going to nerf yourself that hard as is?

[sharp socket]

well cause i got 12 rld total from tech and cats

and it doesnt seem enough

[heady siren]

Are there any methods for me to clear event stages? Cause as a new player, clearing events is hard for me.

[eternal moth]

Using a triple 406 (champy gun) means you can sync 3 strikes with Helena

[sharp socket]

3 strikes that go into the shield?

[stark quiver]

Just try it then

[eternal moth]

Or just manual to avoid the shield

[sharp socket]

most of the first strike dont, half of the 2nd does and 3rd strike is like most of it goes into shield

[stark quiver]

Over level ships, use ships that are higher level than the wnwmies

[stark quiver]

Your fleet needs a rework

[heady siren]

currently I have these as my main fleet

[viscid swift]

yeah give that a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[heady siren]

ok, i will give that a read.

[stark quiver]

How do I go about grinding tech, is it just pick 6 ships with good tech then repeat

[candid bronze]

Hello, what gears can I give to Amagi(CV)?

[stark quiver]

Depends on the boss
/ content

[dry ice]

When datamine

[candid bronze]

What about a more general loadout?

[forest palm]

are you trying to level her?

[candid bronze]

Thank you

[stark quiver]

dark mode cheeky

[viscid swift]

I hate dark mode for google docs

[stark quiver]

Understandable,
Honestly me too

[candid bronze]

Is this gear for Soyuz decent

[eternal moth]

Triple 406 of some sort or 457 would be a lot better.

[cobalt rapids]

The stars arent decent

[candid bronze]

I can 5 star her now, just torn between Amagi and her
Tho I already prepped Soyuz gear beforehand

[viscid swift]

you want a better main gun on her

[eternal moth]

Can you max limit break either ship?

[candid bronze]

Yep I have 3 rainbulins rn

And they're both at 4 stars

[eternal moth]

Do you have any other rainbow BB or CV that are maxed?

[eternal moth]

Amagi then

[candid bronze]

Tbh, I think I have so many UR BBs rn

[dry ice]

When is the datamine?

[viscid swift]

I don't know

[eternal moth]

Probably an hour or 2

[junior walrus]

I’ve put Prio in doing commissions with cube rewards. Is this correct?

[dry ice]

[candid bronze]

Ok thanks
Is the 2nd loadout on recommended good on her? I don't think I can afford the 1st one

[forest palm]

don't use that, that is shit

[sharp socket]

put it in MS paint?

[forest palm]

that whole feature is garbage

[eternal moth]

Loadouts entirely depend on what you're fighting and who they're paired with. I don't recommend following any specific builds unless you know exactly what you're doing.

[candid bronze]

Man, if only AL Community tier list has her. I usually just follow builds there

[viscid swift]

never used MS paint in my life

[eternal moth]

For now, assuming you're still leveling, just give her a couple barracudas and a helldiver

[viscid swift]

her loadout wouldn't be a radical change from any of the others

[sweet delta]

Does Z flag count as a radical change?

[candid bronze]

So it's better for her to have 2 torps than 2 divebombers generally?

[eternal moth]

Typically TBs just do more damage

For heavy armor, 2 TB and a DB is the norm for Shinano, Amagi and Haku. If they're in mob, though, that can change. That'll also change if you're fighting something other than heavy armor

If you need more intercept/AA, going fighter/DB/TB isn't bad either

Huh. I just realized, Amagi only has 8 planes, not 9?

[viscid swift]

yep

[marsh compass]

Any tips to get good stuff for gear lab from OS?

[candid bronze]

Hmm hmm icic

Thank you

[eternal moth]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[marsh compass]

What I ment is way to get the higher grade components to make the equipment -v-"

[eternal moth]

Doing OpSi

[heady siren]

Since I have an UR ship (New Jersey) in my dock, I do not have to use her until she is max limit broken?

[junior walrus]

Mfers with a 3rd grade reading level looking at this angry

[sweet delta]

You do not have to use her and you should not use her until she is MLB, and it's also not really worth using bulins on her

[sweet delta]

Red and orange name mfers looking at your messages angry?

[sharp socket]

here you go i made it in MS paint with discord dark mode

[heady siren]

the game won't let me use bullins to limit break NJ anyway so I leave her as is until I have several copies of her to MLB.

[junior walrus]

The joke is that if you performed poorly in school reading through that would be difficult and likely make someone angry at their inability to read well

[eternal moth]

You need rainbow bulins to limit break rainbows

[heady siren]

but still not recommended to use for ur limit break right?

[candid bronze]

The sole purpose of rainbow bulins is to limit break rainbow ships
I think you misunderstood someone else saying not worth to limit break her with rainbow bulin

[eternal moth]

NJ specifically you can get from pity and permapool, so that's why they're saying not to use them

[pallid robin]

wait until you have 4 rainbow bullins then weigh your options

[eternal moth]

Sadly, NJ is one of the lower-damage rainbow BBs at this point, so by the time you have 4 bulins you may have a better option

[remote quarry]

NJ still carries my PvP fleet, so there is that if you care about chasing the ladder

[eternal moth]

Any event that DOESN'T have a UR available also counts towards pity for the perma-URs

[eternal moth]

She's not even in my PvP fleet anymore

[heady siren]

I have reworked my fleet and kind of helping me deal more damage than previous formation.

Unless I levelled them more then I can use this fleet for event stages?

[remote quarry]

I'm still running the Mafia fleet, still place top 50 every season, which is enough for me

[eternal moth]

Great. Keep leveling them, and limit break as soon as you can

[wind hazel]

they should work at least until end of B map, with levels

[eternal moth]

Repulse I'd replace once you get someone better, but other than that you're golden

Enterprise or Hood would be good options, as would Saratoga or Nelson

The latter 2 will require retrofitting though

The first person to retro, though, has to be Unicorn

[viscid swift]

which is fine, you do you but the meta has shifted a long time ago away from Mafia

[remote quarry]

That is true

[heady siren]

I'm unable to retrofit any of the ships as I haven't reached the required level to unlock certain sections to obtain the items needed for retrofit.

I need to reach until at least lvl 30.

[eternal moth]

You can get them from guild store occasionally, and hard modes drop them as well

[pallid robin]

you dont need to.. just take note of it for now. you will reach past lv 70 before you finish your first retrofit anyway.

[eternal moth]

Just retrofit her as you can IMO; no need to do it all at once

I know that when i started an alt I was able to do chapter 3+ hardmodes on day one without any gacha characters

[pallid robin]

retrofit takes a lot of gold.. which new players has something better to do with. Take your time with this. But as they say, unicorn got to be the first one in line for this. She will make your life easier later.

[eternal moth]

Yeah, that's why I was saying just to do it as you can; a little at a time makes the total cost a lot easier to deal with

[junior walrus]

What's with this collab thing tomorrow

[heady siren]

okay, i will retrofit her once i reach the required level to obtain retrofit items for her.

[junior walrus]

or am i misunderstanding something

[heady siren]

For now I will play the stages with my current formation.

[eternal moth]

Ships are from an anime, To Love Ru

[junior walrus]

Are they good?

[viscid swift]

we have no idea

[eternal moth]

No idea, we don't have a datamine yet

[junior walrus]

Valid lol

Is it just a pull collab or will there be events to get the “free” pulls?

[viscid swift]

no build tickets for new events

[eternal moth]

You can see what's happening in the patch notes in-game, or in #game-news

[heady siren]

Lol, then my NJ just used as a shipfu collection in my game for now.

[junior walrus]

Also wtf is tu love ru I only watch shonen, but I read some other stuff(blood on the tracks if you want cry, be grossed out, and never marry anyone btw)

[thorn tartan]

I though I read someone that ships don't have their abilities in pvp. But I see that Amagi CV has her phoenix......

[viscid swift]

It's a pretty infamous show from back in the day known for its fan service

[junior walrus]

I was told this by a few people in here but early game tier list is useless. I pulled 2 really high tier list units but they do nothing atm.

[viscid swift]

old school romcom/slice of life and later harm type stuff from the late 2000s

[junior walrus]

Highschool DXD collab when?

[pallid robin]

she costs a lot of oil to run early and for what? to kill scrubs?

[viscid swift]

her oil cost isn't the issue

[pallid robin]

Dont worry she can carry you later on harder things to kill

[heady siren]

This is her in my lobby for now.

[viscid swift]

you got howe earlier didn't you? she can replace Pennsylvania

[heady siren]

Just standing there doing nothing.

[pallid robin]

she looks good

[bold salmon]

what is the best gun for daisen?

[heady siren]

My actual personal shipfu is Zuikaku.

NJ is just popular among players I think.

[dusky cloak]

what dictates how many lightning bolts Musashi fires? sometimes she fires 1 sometimes she fires like 6

[pallid robin]

I think you can farm her somewhere

[junior walrus]

I got Howe, but wouldn’t it be better to replace her enterprise? That’s what beginners guide said at least

[heady siren]

From that one event or medal shop.

[thorn tartan]

Enty is good for boss fleet.

[eternal moth]

Enterprise is really good, but if you got Howe I'd just focus on her instead

[eternal moth]

Howe is still a tier 0 battleship, so she's easily useable even at endgame

[warm trail]

how to get more tech points?

[viscid swift]

uh what, okay among other things you do know you'll need 2 fleets sooner rather than later right?

[viscid swift]

#bot-spam /fleettech

[junior walrus]

That’s even without retrofit? I’m like 3 days into playing so I haven’t retrofit unicorn yet

Side question how do I change my background on Home Screen?

[viscid swift]

Howe doesn't have a retrofit

[eternal moth]

Max limit break and/or level ships to 120, get more ships of that faction (duplicates don't count)

[junior walrus]

Honestly figured it’d be a couple-few weeks before I needed two

[eternal moth]

Not all ships have a retrofit

[bold salmon]

tnx

[warm trail]

thtanks!

[eternal moth]

It will

[junior walrus]

I don’t have any books to rapid level her so just run on her some old stages till she’s up to par?

[viscid swift]

probably but what I'm saying is just because you're using Howe and Albion now doesn't mean they'll get tossed and become useless once you get Enterprise

[eternal moth]

He's just saying that leveling Howe now isn't a waste, as you'll be able to use her later even if you decide to use Enterprise

[junior walrus]

But she’s definitely better than PA?lol

[thorn tartan]

I leveled Howe and never used her for much of anything.......

[warm trail]

should i spend my gems on skins or what else

[eternal moth]

Oh yeah, she's A LOT better

[junior walrus]

Even under leveled? I don’t want to slow my campaign progression.

[thorn tartan]

most players spend gems on dock space........ but skins if you like

[junior walrus]

I can just book her later if I need to

[viscid swift]

stick her in the dorm for now

[eternal moth]

I wouldn't buy skins if you're F2P. If you're not, it's entirely up to you

Let's put it this way: Howe can be used pretty late-game; Penny will be replaced pretty early

[warm trail]

mfw i bought atelier ryza skin

[thorn tartan]

I didn't see the 300 gem discount they were talking about, skins were still 1200

[junior walrus]

Anyone else with immediate use without retrofit?

[viscid swift]

not really

[eternal moth]

The discount was onyl for one skin, and it was only after you bought 3 other skins

[thorn tartan]

wow, lame

[sweet delta]

She does 6 bolts unless there are no valid target enemies on screen

[junior walrus]

Word I’ll keep Howe in the dorm for a couple days and next roadblock I hit I’ll swap her in for training on earlier stages

[thorn tartan]

anyway, unless you are fully F2P, I recommend buying the black friday deal of 200 gems for $1.

[junior walrus]

Is this really that good of a deal I can spare a single dollar

[eternal moth]

That would also give you a copy of Saratoga wouldn't it?

Assuming it's the first time you bought anything anyways

[thorn tartan]

you won't get a better price on gems and you will need dock space eventually

support the game too!

[eternal moth]

Anyone have a link to Naganami's website?

[junior walrus]

Me when I can give another horny Japanese company my card info

[thorn tartan]

well mine went through google play

[sweet delta]

/wiki naganami

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Naganami
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Naganami/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Naganami/Gallery

Nov 21, 2024, 3:27 AM

[junior walrus]

Is that eight hour maintenance tonight

[thorn tartan]

prob

[junior walrus]

Jfc

[eternal moth]

Wrong Naganami, I meant the player

[sweet delta]

What's typical UR BB main gun efficiency, 155%?

[eternal moth]

150-155 I think

[thorn tartan]

how many weeks is the next event?

[eternal moth]

2

[viscid swift]

2

[thorn tartan]

i'm flat broke from 200 pulls on Musashi (pity)

in a week

[heady siren]

Currently I have Helena ready for retrofit, should I do it now?

For Unicorn, I have not enough items to retrofit her.

[eternal moth]

I'd focus on Unicorn, Portland and your starter first

[thorn tartan]

yes, but spend money on unicorn first

[eternal moth]

Helena's retrofit is pretty low priority

[heady siren]

Javelin also ready for retrofit

[junior walrus]

This fine or should I rearrange?

[eternal moth]

That's fine

[thorn tartan]

Portland will get you through campaign world 9 at least

Unicorn is the gift that keeps on giving

[eternal moth]

Actually, if Howe's only level 1 I'd move her

[spark ridge]

is helena retrofit wonder of gulf skill important, or can i just ignore it bc im flat broke on cruiser gold things

[heady siren]

And portland

[junior walrus]

Can I put unicorn as center or

[eternal moth]

That should be ok. Once she gets more levels move Howe back to middle

[junior walrus]

Level 30? And should I use Bulin on her?

[eternal moth]

Yeah, use your bulins on her as you can: level 10, 30 and 70

[chrome lake]

Guys need help for team comp (mobbing and bossing) don't know who to focus right now.

[junior walrus]

Okay and on epics(purples) you can only get them to 5 stars right so my unicorn is maxed?

[thorn tartan]

I'd go read in the tier list and pick the ships it recommends

[eternal moth]

I can't tell, are either Lutzow or Seydlitz max limit broken?

[viscid swift]

can you get 2 more UR Bullins right now or anytime soon?

no

[chrome lake]

I only need 1 more.

[thorn tartan]

independence for mob

[eternal moth]

Honestly, I'd take a 2LB Musashi over just about anyone else

[thorn tartan]

richel for boss maybe

level them up

[viscid swift]

Mob: Hood, Unicorn, Independence, Jervis, Sumner, Henrich
Boss: Musashi, Alsace, Indomitable, Pittsburg, Helena, Fargo

[chrome lake]

Unfortunately no.

[thorn tartan]

doesn't look like you need help.....

[viscid swift]

retroing Independence before Unicorn is a bit of an eye raiser but whatever, she's next though

[junior walrus]

Just replying to this one time for answer sorry

[eternal moth]

This is a great setup

[viscid swift]

5 stars is the max yes in terms of stars for elites

[eternal moth]

You can limit break all ships 3 times

[chrome lake]

Unicorn to be a flagbearer?

[eternal moth]

No, Hood is flag

[thorn tartan]

prob hood

is pittsberg a good tank?

[eternal moth]

For main fleet, the first person mentioned is the flagship

[eternal moth]

She's about the same as Portland, so decent

[chrome lake]

Thanks guys.

[thorn tartan]

How do i get indomitable?

[stark quiver]

you cant rn

[viscid swift]

event limited

[thorn tartan]

That means Gailgabril has been playing for what, 2 years?

And he's asking for help?

[stark quiver]

and?
if 2 years inactive still not playing

[thorn tartan]

I should be asking him for help

Like how do i get that indomitable!

has the rerun happened yet?

I"m stuck with AvP

[eternal moth]

Her rerun was back in July, same time as Vanguard. I'm pretty sure you were here for that, weren't you?

[stark quiver]

indom wont help
they do 2 diff things

[eternal moth]

You're thinking of Implacable

[thorn tartan]

What, this last July was Indom rerun?

Bro, I've been present

[eternal moth]

July 18 to 24

[thorn tartan]

are we talking the same language

how did i miss that

[soft raft]

low prio but you should get to it eventually
It lets her reduce the time before her first scan in a effect simillar to the HSFCR for BBs

[viscid swift]

you tell us

[stark quiver]

she isnt excellent anyways, nothing lost there

[thorn tartan]

damn it, i pulled for Vanguard. I guess I didn't get Indomitable

[soft raft]

Realistically at most Indomitable is top 3 for W15 support fleet

[thorn tartan]

No pity for Indomitable...................

[forest palm]

just use Lusty, and alts

[thorn tartan]

Is she the best for boss stopping converging

[forest palm]

nope

[stark quiver]

thats implacable
a UR

who is also from another event

[thorn tartan]

ohhhhhhh, i'm confused, thank you guys, again

when do i get implacable

[stark quiver]

when she reruns

[eternal moth]

Yorktown 2 should be the next UR to rerun, and then Implacable after that

[stark quiver]

hvar mentioned

[thorn tartan]

I got 7 Sakawa and a pity Musashi. How is Sakawa?

[viscid swift]

meh, not even good tech

[stark quiver]

eh

[soft raft]

Yup
If they dont shift things around, Yk 2 and Implac are back to back on the rerun order

[forest palm]

worse Noshiro

[thorn tartan]

i never hear players talk about Y2k...... not needed??

[forest palm]

strong, but very optional(?) is the way I'd put it

[viscid swift]

we've been on Nagato meta for the past few months to the focus has been on heavy armor mainly

[eternal moth]

Yeah, she's been one of the least-impactful URs released so far

[sweet delta]

I talked about Yorkii a week ago

[forest palm]

like she's definitely core if you are looking to play around with Kearsarge I feel

[eternal moth]

True

[thorn tartan]

Eagle buffs?

[fiery raptor]

campaign wise i've only really used yorktown II in w15 and even then her job is boss fleet can be filled reasonably well by the other UR CV like shinano, hakuryuu and amagi CV

[wind hazel]

calling yk2 one of the least impactful is kinda crazy

[sweet delta]

bet Lala is stronger than Drake

[forest palm]

like that's a high bar

[fiery raptor]

is kala stronger than drake?

[frank pulsar]

kala is tank, drake is dps

[forest palm]

Kala is just disappointing

[frank pulsar]

i think suchi is refering to upcoming lala and not kala

[eternal moth]

Who would you say is less impactful then

[wind hazel]

kron

[frank pulsar]

mog

[viscid swift]

Kronshtadt

[fiery raptor]

naw, i mean i'm setting my expectation on how strong the collab ship could get

[forest palm]

least impactful UR to me is a tie between Kron, and Ulrich

[eternal moth]

At her release, UvH was definitely important

[sweet delta]

Kala is to drake as eugen is to Portland. Except that one pair has a 0 tier difference while the other has 2

[viscid swift]

Ulrich at least had a place for a few months before Musashi came a long

Kronshtadt was basically a poor man's Agir from the get go

[thorn tartan]

Kron for least impact

[eternal moth]

When YT2 came out we already had Shinano/Haku and a slow, so most people found her pretty meh except in light armor fleets

[forest palm]

if DR are included then Azuma/Drake are currently the least impactful

[thorn tartan]

nah, just expensive UR

[sweet delta]

Y2 defined the light meta for over a year and was about equal with IJNs on medium after kear was ready

[junior walrus]

Should I keep focusing laffey for skill books?

[frank pulsar]

always max skills of whatever ship youre planning to use for some time

[sweet delta]

Howe or Albion

[eternal moth]

Most people were still running NJ/UvH/Musashi fleets for meta for quite a while. Has there been any meta that's used YT2 heavily?

[fiery raptor]

if you like laffey enough she can make it to w14 as a mobber and hedgehog holder after retrofit

[sweet delta]

Kirov, jintsuu, wichitam

[viscid swift]

literally all the light armor METAs after her release
light armor arbiter and CMs, etc

[junior walrus]

Are there anymore missions for leveling laffey skills? That’s the main reason I started with her

[frank pulsar]

idk i dont think i finished my rookie missions

[junior walrus]

If not I definitely wouldn’t mind Howe..she made it though an entire stage at level 7 just now loool

[thorn tartan]

just level her to 120 and use her until you get someone better for her spot

[fiery raptor]

not really, but she's worth investing in as she one of the stronger starters with good game longevity

[thorn tartan]

i took my starters to 125 i think

[fiery raptor]

i built howe... i haven't used her yet

i don't think she's 15-4 farmer material...

[thorn tartan]

you are at 15-4?

[junior walrus]

So the consensus is maybe maybe not

[wind hazel]

dont let your dream be dream

[frank pulsar]

howe suffers from gold bb syndrome
youll prob never use her unless you want to

[fiery raptor]

been for a while, been autistically grinding houston ii to limit break her with herself

[viscid swift]

they're still one fleeting with Penn as their BB for context

[thorn tartan]

you won't use 96% of the ships

[viscid swift]

well if you define use as not farming content then sure

[thorn tartan]

except for tech

[junior walrus]

I mean there’s so many ships I’m sure a lot of it is “ I pulled this when it was useful so I still use it because it still works”

[eternal moth]

Howe is one of the best non-UR battleships out there

[thorn tartan]

I used Z23 for a very long time......

[junior walrus]

Do I book this skill on Howe?

[eternal moth]

If you're using a ship you want to level all their skills

[thorn tartan]

yeah, the first 5 levels can be done in a day or 2

[barren tapir]

laffey is nice and usable through 14 if you like her just bc there's better options doesn't mean that 1) you have them and 2) you HAVE to use them to progress, keep that in mind. levelling a decent enough ship's skills is rarely ever a waste

[eternal moth]

Red is, typically, the first skill you'll level

[junior walrus]

I’ll be leveling yaffey and Portland for the newcomer missions regardless so she’ll get some use

[eternal moth]

Of all the T0 BBs, Howe and VIttorio Veneto are the only 2 that aren't either limited availability or research-only

[barren tapir]

howe is good enough to use for a long while if you like her imo plus it's not like you'll have 3 UR bbs out the gate

[sweet delta]

The worst T0 BB is much worse than the best T0 BB

[barren tapir]

what's the best t0 bb

[thorn tartan]

use howe. Use FdG when you get her

[fiery raptor]

owari is probably one of them.

[stark quiver]

what would a low cost d3 fleet consist of

[sweet delta]

IDK what the T0 BBs are

[wind hazel]

try nevada+ddg

[junior walrus]

Now my question is since the beginner guide heavily recommends enterprise is unicorn, Howe, and enterprise a viable back line? Or will I likely run one of them in my fleet 2

[viscid swift]

some of those are not T0

[stark quiver]

when i farm d3 for gear, i have the choice of using full fleet and use many oil
or low cost and save to farm more

[eternal moth]

Those are all ECTL's current T0 BBs

[fiery raptor]

oh yeah izumo got one hell of a glowup... and i never made her

nor odin...

[wind hazel]

just go with either really, it's all depends on how much time you have in the end

[fiery raptor]

i almost skipped flandre by jumping straight to pr 7

[thorn tartan]

I'd use Flandre

[eternal moth]

You can use both later-game, so it wouldn't be a waste

[thorn tartan]

if you have the bps

[junior walrus]

But like trying to build best fleet for now would I run that line up or just put one or the other in a different fleet?

[eternal moth]

I wouldn't recommend going with more than 2 gold ships, though, due to lack of bulins

[fiery raptor]

yeah ive got her lined up as my 15-4 farmers if i still don't have houston ii mlb b the time i have her dev 30 120

[eternal moth]

That's a great fleet

[barren tapir]

my bet is daisen, owari, nagato meta, maybe constellation/izumo/marco dunno how ruppy is i just like her

[thorn tartan]

why are you concerned about 15-4?

[barren tapir]

(nagato meta is t0 prelim but not up yet)

[fiery raptor]

it's just where i'm fixated on playing is all. farming houston ii because of mental illness. hyperfixation is a bitch

[junior walrus]

Get prescribed Prozac and lose the motivation to fixate on anything my Queen

[viscid swift]

Hyperfix on her tech instead, +1 CL FP

[fiery raptor]

what tech she gib

[viscid swift]

+1 CL FP

[barren tapir]

wait i know how to find this out

[eternal moth]

I don't care if non-ECTL sites have different scales, those are simply ECTL's current T0 listings

[thorn tartan]

what determines when I get the 1000 merit mail? Sometimes I get it after doing 10 exercises, sometimes i don't

[eternal moth]

You have to get to different ranks

[sharp socket]

it depends on your rank and score

[fiery raptor]

when you reach at least commander iirc

[thorn tartan]

oh, it starts at each new level?

[barren tapir]

currently looks like

daisen >= owari > nagato meta >= constellation>>>> most others according to REGAL

[fiery raptor]

you get some for each win but each "new" rank you get has the big payouts yes

[sharp socket]

head into hell pvp channel to find out how to get the most merits

[barren tapir]

the worst t0 bb barely gets a C in a single category, while daisen has mostly B and a couple C

[fiery raptor]

wait what makes nagato meta so strong? still getting her skilled up

[barren tapir]

absurdly strong but unaimed barrage when not with an ijn ship

[frank pulsar]

magato that good? i thought itll be smth like owari > flandre > indiana > daisen > stella > mp

[barren tapir]

she has been mvping sometimes in my mob fleet (with 125 uni and indep, keep in mind) without mlb, to put into perspective

[viscid swift]

she did successfully hold her own in strongholds even at limit break 2 so not too suprising

[barren tapir]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?gid=1370253760#gid=1370253760 can check yourself, i just went by endgame tiering in the content

[eternal moth]

ECTL's tier list isn't based on chapter 15 at all

[barren tapir]

marco polo gets a C in w14 mobbing and that's it gasco is the same, 1 C. i forgot to check odin tho

[eternal moth]

I'm not defending one way or another, it's just one metric

[barren tapir]

odin gets 2 Cs so she's the 2nd best early PR bb i guess

izumo gets 5 Cs

[viscid swift]

I don't actually think Howe is T0 anymore one way or the other, but she is still quite a solid battleship for the early and mid game, worth the investment

[frank pulsar]

you trust this? it looks dubious to me when i read it

[barren tapir]

howe has 4 Cs

[sharp socket]

ECTL goes by "general" content, which is probably just w12 and below

[frank pulsar]

like for example, the gap between c and d seems to be pretty massive

[eternal moth]

You have to trust Sushi's judgement to trust the document

[sharp socket]

maybe opsi mob/boss also

[barren tapir]

not entirely, but it is focused solely on endgame content and tiered individually for each specific content so it feels rather thorough, and it's also the only tierlist im aware of that actually breaks stuff down enough

meanwhile ectl these bbs are all in T0 and you won't know on first glance which is better

i just used REGAL to try and find a sub-tiering for ectl T0, take it as you like

[frank pulsar]

i have 0 trust in ectl

[forest palm]

even then their tierings are questionable...

[atomic abyss]

And ECTL is getting outdated at this point

[bold stream]

Hello all. I will craft the 203 and the tripple 25 since they can be upgraded via gear lab. What about the aichi plane? Its not on the gear lab.

[atomic abyss]

Because only the gold one is in gear lab

[barren tapir]

i dont fully trust any tierlist i prefer to use them as guideline but trust my own experience with a particular ship (especially since endgame isnt everything imo)

[fiery raptor]

from the ships I have used, I am inclined to trust that doc, but with a grain of salt. Enough to give the ships listed as at least C a try.

[viscid swift]

ECTL may as well be dead at this point, they haven't updated for months, their numbers are dwindling and they become ever more isolated from the community

[barren tapir]

theyre guidelines not dogma best to take a variety of opinions and then form your own!

[eternal moth]

Don't worry about the Ryusei at the moment, and the AA guns aren't the best

[junior walrus]

Uhhhh I’m assuming purple is better?

And should I even use this on unicorn or save resources

[atomic abyss]

Ignore purple and below augments for now, you'll run out of coins very quickly

[barren tapir]

don't waste mats crafting blue/purple augments until you have done every important gold augment for ships you intend to use, and don't do this either until you're in w12+

[forest palm]

like I completely refuse to believe Eugen is a Tier 5 CA

[atomic abyss]

Save up for unique augments

[eternal moth]

You'll want to craft them eventually anyways, and any gear upgrades for Uni is never a waste

[fiery raptor]

THE CODEX SUSHISTARTES DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS ACTION.

But I am looking forward to it. 💀

[frank pulsar]

its just their bias tbh, shes arnd t1 or t2

[barren tapir]

tho to finish off, i do trust it more than ectl with the strict understanding that it is solely for endgame players and it doesnt try to generalize or pretend to be for everyone like ectl which is truly impossible to match

[junior walrus]

Word I mean unicorn isn’t slouching yet so I can hold off

[forest palm]

Eugen I feel fits about Tier 3, maybe Tier 2

[viscid swift]

yep

[barren tapir]

ye there is no way eugen is t5 when portland dmg, while higher, is nothing special and eugen is like 15% tankier

the main reason portland is preferred is bc of her cheapness and bc eugen, while a fine enough tank, is also nothing special to invest in (gold bulin)

[stone sluice]

No datamine yet?

[viscid swift]

if you want to have players invest in Portland, just make a note explaining why rather than deliberately under tiering Eugen

[forest palm]

also ECTL doesn't stipulate they don't tier by cost, but it feels like they do

[barren tapir]

eugen is at least t3 probably closer to t2 on raw bulk i think

[atomic abyss]

Datamine team will not be providing datamine until maint starts

[verbal mulch]

I’ve been kinda out of the game for awhile. Is there any reason at all to last minute grind a second Musashi gun besides for flexing reasons?

[viscid swift]

there's definitely a few exceptions to that Eugen being one of them

[eternal moth]

We all know that people are going to MLB Eugen anyways unless specifically told not to

[viscid swift]

it's event limited and may prove useful in future

[atomic abyss]

They're all v busy

[forest palm]

so ya ECTL tiering is very questionable

[barren tapir]

also tbh the thing with w12 and below especially now with so much powercreep is that way more ships are viable even for first time lethal than their tierlist would imply

[frank pulsar]

bear in mind that ectl doesnt factor in cost
you telling me eugen is worse than roon or smth

[barren tapir]

so it isnt particularly useful even for that and such content imo doesnt need a tierlist anyway

[eternal moth]

I'm saying she's not T1

[verbal mulch]

So not currently useful. It’ll eventually be made perma in a few years probably, so meh. Not worth my time. If it becomes worthwhile, I’ll just wait till it releases again. Thanks though

[eternal moth]

T2 MAYBE, more likely T3

[frank pulsar]

why not? theres ship in t1 worse than eugen

[barren tapir]

the only reason i can see hood t1 is they ignore new player cost

[viscid swift]

which ones do you think are worse than Eugen?

[barren tapir]

i forgot, does roon do more dmg than portland?

[frank pulsar]

definitely

[atomic abyss]

Ofc

[frank pulsar]

roon, room, kursk, blucher

[barren tapir]

ok then i think eugen t2 makes sense, since she has more bulk but much less dmg

[atomic abyss]

[eternal moth]

That's a pretty hot take

[viscid swift]

Kursk is basically the opposite of Eugen so not an easy comparrison

[stark quiver]

yea
fs roon is better than eugen

[forest palm]

in terms of pure bulk, sure, but that's not all those ships are good for

[atomic abyss]

As much as I hate roon she is absolutely not worse

[frank pulsar]

tanks are supposed to tank
no point in extra dmg if they just gonna explode

[storm heron]

[viscid swift]

Blucher as an overall package is better and so are the Roons

[barren tapir]

roon is 3.5% less than portland, eugen is 22% more than portland

so t2/t1 make sense it just depends how you tier tanking vs dps honestly which ectl never made clear to me

[atomic abyss]

If you deal more dmg, you end the battle faster and end up tanking less damage

[storm heron]

tank tagging

[viscid swift]

among other things, sometimes the best defense is a good offense comes to mind

[frank pulsar]

eugen is like what, 118%? roon and room for example are just 92 or smth iirc

[barren tapir]

eugen is 122% roon(fs5) 96.5%

[viscid swift]

for META, Abriter, Abyssal fights sure I would agree, but as a whole considering campaign as well no

[eternal moth]

And what do the damage numbers look like?

[frank pulsar]

your tank is definitely not going to have enough dmg to make that kind of difference unless its like guam or kronk or smth

[barren tapir]

roon more than portland eugen less than portland so its just dps vs tank comparison

[atomic abyss]

It will when your DPS is as shit as Eugen lol

[eternal moth]

With Unicorn being a staple, pure bulk is pretty much a non-issue.

[barren tapir]

the opposite can also be true...sometimes the best offense is living long enough and not being blown up before you can do damage

[frank pulsar]

yea her dmg is shit, but tank dmg isnt good to begin with is my point

[atomic abyss]

I'm tired of people trying to recreate the wheel lol

[viscid swift]

like, none of those ships besides Kurske have anything approaching notable damage, but having some damage is better than none like eugen

[barren tapir]

eugen would be a boss tank no unicorn

[viscid swift]

yes hence why I mentioned META and OpSi bosses as well as Campaign

[barren tapir]

sure, i dont think eugen is t1 (tallin does a bit more dmg afaik and is 118%) but t2 boss tank would fit imo

[undone plover]

Eugen also has armor break

[viscid swift]

too very different cases requiring different capabilities

[frank pulsar]

which is why i said t1 or t2

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind ECTL tiers around campaign

[barren tapir]

ye i am agreeing overall with that placement

[frank pulsar]

shes definitely not t5 like what ectl is saying just because "no damage"

[storm heron]

if only I use any of the ship discussed here

[viscid swift]

and there's typically mob waves you have to clear before getting to the boss Eugen's lack of damage becomes a liability

[barren tapir]

regardless t5 eugen is something that's just pure bias

[atomic abyss]

They literally prelim tier michita as TN...

Because she's too frail

[frank pulsar]

tbf she does require some knowledge to use or she'll just explode

[viscid swift]

like I said, Roon and Roon muse don't have a lot of damage in the grand scheme of things but it's a heck of a lot better than Eugen's and will certainly contribute to smoother clearing

[barren tapir]

bc ectl doesnt tier around specific compositions or niches

[atomic abyss]

She literally has the third highest vanguard damage in the game

[barren tapir]

except when they do (aurora lmao)

they arent super consistent about it

[atomic abyss]

This is literally the issue with ECTL

They created it because they weren't happy with the existing tier list

[barren tapir]

so they wont tier wichitam about her niche of glass cannonism where it can be used, but they will tier a ship who is very useful on dd/cl and garbage everywhere else. make it make sense tbh

[viscid swift]

which is W12 farming basically which is yeah, not a high bar at all

[frank pulsar]

for campaign maybe, elsewhere id disagree

[eternal moth]

Supports get a lot more leeway than pure damage does

[barren tapir]

it's not like aurora is good in campaign either

[viscid swift]

which I agree with, but you're forgetting ECTL literally tiers around campaign performance

[barren tapir]

except when they dont bc for campaign aurora is like t5

[viscid swift]

and the flaws of the assistant, justifying her tier based on OpSI and META fights in that context is contradidctory

[barren tapir]

bc the only relevant dd/cl bosses in campaign happen where she'd get instantly blown up

[viscid swift]

Aurora is another issue

[frank pulsar]

theres plenty of higher ranked ships like sirius who dont do well in campaign

[storm heron]

helena camp t0

[frank pulsar]

right, helena too

[viscid swift]

Sirius isn't oustanding in campaign but she's fine

[wind hazel]

tl;dr tierlist is shit

[barren tapir]

oh yeah sirius is like t3 in campaign and t0 in cv fleets

[storm heron]

/entlbad

[atomic abyss]

The issue is anything with tier numbers is bad

[frank pulsar]

tldr believe in #gameplay-help over some tl

[raw lily]

Is this worth buying or no?

[wind hazel]

gph is questionable sometimes

[barren tapir]

tldr take in all sources of info and come to your own conclusion

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[viscid swift]

yes

[eternal moth]

From the ECTL guidelines.

[frank pulsar]

better to have it and not use it then suffer when you need it and dont have it

[raw lily]

Okay

I spent 20 minutes (last minute plsying) on this damn event) and went from 6k to 9k

[storm heron]

sirius unfortunately not good enough

[barren tapir]

but those abilities typically arent particularly valuable in campaign that's the thing

if they only tier on campaign then they shud be consistent and not apply exceptions to supports that work great elsewhere

[atomic abyss]

Btw the prelim datamines are hilarious

[viscid swift]

do tell

[barren tapir]

and if they tier on everything in general...then a lot of tierings dont make the most sense

[atomic abyss]

The usual datamine team is busy so I'm getting it from different sources

[storm heron]

wahtt

[atomic abyss]

Apparently Lala is better than drake in almost every fashion

[barren tapir]

are collab good hilarious or bad hilarious-

[storm heron]

classic Lala

[viscid swift]

and we're not saying that isn't a problem, but using that to justify Eugen is T1 is flawed to say the least

because you're trying to just flawed reasoning with flawed reasoning

[barren tapir]

nice. i want to run triple pink waifu vanguard so this bodes well

[barren tapir]

nah i lean t3 untagged or t2 boss tank

[atomic abyss]

Yami depends on barrage but probably typical very high level SR BB

Lala 5% timed AA debuff, 8% timed AA debuff when sucking enemies, depends on suck but at the very least is tankier than drake and very likely more useful than drake

Momo lots of barrages and summons and minor fleet buffs

Nana has barrages

[spring bolt]

better than drake is a low bar tbh

[eternal moth]

Like I said, most of the ships that aren't useful in campaign but are highly useful in meta/CM/OpSi are supports, which for some reason get a lot more leeway. I don't think there are any tanks or DPS that are really off, except Eugen

[barren tapir]

t1 is copium but the thing is in no world should eugen be objectively rated lower than portland if you claim to ignore cost

[fiery raptor]

mfw when i just finished +10ing drake equips

[viscid swift]

did Lala have special equips or was it just some stickers we saw in the stream

[barren tapir]

what kind of barrages

[fiery raptor]

inb4 lala is a CA rikka

[atomic abyss]

All of them have augments

[viscid swift]

no I mean is Lala like Rikka and Ryza

[fiery raptor]

i.e. event exclusive equipment for optimum use

[inner delta]

[atomic abyss]

#event-faq will be updated later

[storm heron]

can full tlr lags enough to crash?

[eternal moth]

She probably is, since the event is called Dangerous Inventions Incoming!

[barren tapir]

tankier than drake or tankier than drake fatesim big diff between the two

[viscid swift]

probably maxed drake, no reason not to assume these days

[barren tapir]

if tankier than drake fatesim that'd be excellent (118%+)

[sweet delta]

Wtf

[barren tapir]

my man. im not the only one planning to run all 4 gold tlr with uni indep right

[split umbra]

Need fleet upgrade/suggestion for Opsi

[viscid swift]

I mean considering stuff like Ryza fleet worked out fine

and RNGser as well

[atomic abyss]

Yes I'm updating event-faq later

[viscid swift]

unless you have a bad device

[eternal moth]

Do you have a link to the datamine yet?

[viscid swift]

which yes, enemy rangers in PvP have caused crashes because of that or so I've heard

[sweet delta]

How about ryza fleet with chapter 15 numbers of planes

[atomic abyss]

The usual dataminers are busy

#event-faq is not updated with datamines

[raw lily]

I got it in a few minutes due to doing B2

[atomic abyss]

It's using something else

[viscid swift]

I see

[inner delta]

smth else huh

[storm heron]

yes

[sweet delta]

What is #event-faq using?

[atomic abyss]

Info straight from the staff

How else would we update it

[sweet delta]

[atomic abyss]

also just fyi everyone on the datamining team will be busy until at least en server goes to maint so if anyone asks thats why the datamine is late

-sam

Nagami is half ded I assume

[weary scroll]

should i just use all my current blueprints on her?

[sweet delta]

Not selectors, only fdg bps

Level up the ship past level 10 to do so

[eternal moth]

She can be coined right? If so I'd just drop 10/day until she's done

Never use selector prints on ships that you can coin

[weary scroll]

ohh i can just use coins?

[sweet delta]

Every new aux has a special effect so I won't bother for now, but at least there is a 550 HP one

[fiery raptor]

once the bps you have are spent yes

[weary scroll]

alr thx

who should i start working on next?

[fiery raptor]

it's like 7k coin for 10 bp a day yes?

[eternal moth]

Once you use all your FdG prints you can buy more for coins, with a cost reduction up to 10 a day

[viscid swift]

around that

[eternal moth]

Agir/Ancho/Haku

So PR4

[weary scroll]

only one i can do is agir so ill just do her next

[eternal moth]

She can be useful at dev15 or 20

[undone plover]

15 are discounted not 10
But the last 5 is only 50% vs 80% for DR

[sweet delta]

@slow fox I don't think this is the gold toolbox you asked for...
500 HP -> 590 at +13
2 LCK
1% heal every 20s, max 3 times per battle

[weary scroll]

also should i use fdg in my team if shes only 11?

[soft raft]

hell no

[eternal moth]

Dev30 or nothing for FdG

[soft raft]

she needs at least D30 to function properly

[sweet delta]

Probably a new bis aux for PVP:
+10 gives 28 Eva 5 speed, evade all DMG for 1.5s when received 25% max HP DMG

[slow fox]

For 87s battles, +4% heal

Wao

[quartz jungle]

Anchorage aux basically

[sweet delta]

Emm

[slow fox]

Oh max 3 times

[sweet delta]

MAX 3 TIMES

[weary scroll]

what gears should i use on alsace?

[slow fox]

Unbelievable. That's fine. 1% HP is like 50 HP.

2 LCK is like 1% more eHP.

[soft raft]

huh how do you have her at lvl 125 but have such shit gear
Definetly not the toolbox that's for sure

AA Gun and secondary gun could be better too

[weary scroll]

what do i replace toolbox with?

[soft raft]

black shell or HSFCR

[sweet delta]

[eternal moth]

Same as any other BB, triple 406, 155 kai, STAAG, black shell or HSFCR instead of toolbox

[weary scroll]

i dont think i have any of those ngl

[junior walrus]

I now understand the appeal of the skins

[soft raft]

You got no Triple 406 Mk6? Heresy
as for 155 Kai, there's the regular 155 that works fine

[atomic abyss]

It's a purple gun...

[sharp socket]

is datamine out?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[soft raft]

#gameplay-help message

[abstract ore]

Can someone recommend me fleet to hit helena meta

[weary scroll]

oh wait nvm i have the 3rd one

[sharp socket]

[sweet delta]

Biszwei plus 5 ships

[stark quiver]

alsace, bis2,vanguard
plymouth
unzen
eld

[abstract ore]

Ok

[eternal moth]

How do you not have any of the purple gun?

Open more Eagle Union boxes then

[weary scroll]

no i did i just didnt know what it looked like lol

[viscid swift]

Zwei, Alsace, Soyuz, Plymouth, Aurora, Mogador

3 strike not 4

[weary scroll]

i dont have black shell or hpfcr is there anything else

[eternal moth]

Buy a black shell

[brazen oracle]

Does using efficiency plans double the drops of core data?

[eternal moth]

There's no way you have a 125 ship and don't have enough core data to get one

[weary scroll]

i only have like 300 core data rn

[pale plinth]

Is there a bug with the event rerun banner? I’ve pulled 300 ships no Haguro

[eternal moth]

Bad RNG

[weary scroll]

what do i use if i dont have those 2

[eternal moth]

I got her within 40 pulls

[storm heron]

got her in 10

[storm heron]

you wait until you can have those 2

[weary scroll]

what do i use while im waiting for those

[eternal moth]

Purple shell or FCR

[pale plinth]

I’ve got 7 copies minimum of every other event ship and 3 watatsuki

[junior walrus]

Update is UTC time 12pm right?

[pale plinth]

Hmmmmmmmm

[eternal moth]

It's in 2 hours

I think that's UTC 8AM?

[junior walrus]

This reads like 12am UTC, but it’s 5am UTC

[weary scroll]

which AA gun would be the best out of these?

[eternal moth]

No, it clearly says 12AM UTC-7

[junior walrus]

No what I’m saying is that it is currently 5am UTC

[eternal moth]

Ok, then restart is at UTC 7AM

[junior walrus]

Why tf does it read like that then

[storm heron]

UTC and UTC-7 is different

[eternal moth]

12AM (UTC minus 7 hours)

[junior walrus]

Okay I mean it makes senses the game would do maintenance when dailies roll over

[pale plinth]

Ok im 600 pulls down and no Haguro. At what point is it not just unlucky?

[stark quiver]

its alwyas unlucky

[foggy cypress]

For the to love ru collab does anyone know which pool would it contain

[eternal moth]

I'd just stop unless you have A LOT of cubes left

[pale plinth]

I have another 1000 pulls saved, but if it’s a possible bug I’d like someone to have a look at my pull history

[viscid swift]

probably heavy

[eternal moth]

It's not

[foggy cypress]

Ah poop again

[pale plinth]

Not hitting 2.5% in 600 attempts seems astronomically low

[viscid swift]

it is, and you got that unlucky

it happens, you just have to accept it and move on

[eternal moth]

I went at least that many going for LdV and still didn't get her, so yeah, you're just unlucky

[pale plinth]

Ok so how many do I need to waste before I submit a ticket?

[viscid swift]

you don't

[eternal moth]

There are no bugs in the pool, it's literally all RNG

[weary scroll]

.

[viscid swift]

you don't submit a ticket for bad RNG

and if you do you don't know how rates or probability works then

[pale plinth]

There’s bad rng and there’s astronomically low rng

[viscid swift]

like I said, you are getting that unlucky right now

tough luck, nothing you can do about it

[junior walrus]

To be fair I play a lot of RuneScape and I had a KC of 2400 for a drop that was 1/600. literally quadruple the drop rate.

Prob and stats sucks

[eternal moth]

I've failed 5 99% success rate attempts in a row, RNG is just RNG

[junior walrus]

Probable and likely to happen=/=going to happen

[viscid swift]

doesn't really matter which you use at this stage

[brazen oracle]

Does using efficiency plans double the drops of core data?

[sweet delta]

97% is actually 100% if we go by the ambush event in opsi

[viscid swift]

you can't use them on campaign hard modes

[brazen oracle]

ohh, okey

and do you get more based on difficulty, or is the drops fixed?

[mellow cape]

A ticket for bad rates is super interesting

[viscid swift]

drops are fixed based on the chapter

[weary scroll]

alr thx

[viscid swift]

wiki has all the numbers

[sharp socket]

more core data with higher stages, drop rate of retro prints is unknown

[brazen oracle]

Okey, thnx

[sharp socket]

it could be higher, but whether it actually is is hard to tell as its relied on data gathered by people

[warm trail]

essex!

[viscid swift]

uhh what

[warm trail]

[viscid swift]

wrong channel probably

[pale plinth]

to get a 1/600 KC drop in 2400 attempts is 2%

To not get a 1/40 drop in 600 attempts is 0.0000039%

your luck and my luck is off by a magnitude of 10 million

[warm trail]

oh sht, maint started right?

[viscid swift]

not yet, still got an hour and a half

[fluid umbra]

1h 30m still i think

[warm trail]

oh ok

[pale plinth]

If a casino had a 2.5% payout machine that didn't payout in 600 pulls they would be investigated

[fluid umbra]

So my Ryza fleet turned out to be decent ish, lots of good ships in there.

I wonder if TLR fleet will be equally decent ish, with usable ships in there

Would that be a stupid idea

[warm trail]

can u show me?

[viscid swift]

my dude, if you're just going to complain take it to #al-general

[fluid umbra]

It's just a Ryza faction fleet with Serri replaced with Indep

[viscid swift]

#al-general for now

[storm heron]

maybe you got haguro but you scrapped

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

[fluid umbra]

I'll ask back here once the event arrives and I pull everything

[eternal moth]

[pale plinth]

I'm not compaining, I'm saying genuinely, that this is so astronimically low that there is a non-zero % chance its bugged somehow

[eternal moth]

Except it's not bugged.

[warm trail]

woah

[viscid swift]

maybe there is, but this is not the place to ask and discuss that

[storm heron]

is this chance non-zero?

[brazen star]

it's only 1/4 million. ppl have gotten unluckier

[pale plinth]

Ok I'll do another 500 pulls

[mellow cape]

Lol

[sweet delta]

Ok and no need to blog here

[mellow cape]

I want to post my three in a row roll musashi so badly but I'll refrain

[storm heron]

btw I didn't get soorbitalnye in 5000 pulls so it's just rng

[warm trail]

wat

[pale plinth]

I also got that

[mellow cape]

[whole crypt]

if you truly feel rates are bugged bring it up to the devs, but statistically improbable is not impossible

[viscid swift]

precisely

[eternal moth]

I mean, people are getting Haguro, so it's obvious she isn't bugged

[blissful hamlet]

Is the new collab aug limited or permanent?

[viscid swift]

limited

[whole crypt]

lim

[warm trail]

do u use a dupe for enhancing?

[blissful hamlet]

Farm hell

[viscid swift]

not really, they're all obtained via missions, milestone rewards or mini-games

[blissful hamlet]

Free aug

[warm trail]

[viscid swift]

I use commons for enhancing which usually aren't dupes

[storm heron]

has there a case where collab aug permanent?

[viscid swift]

no

[whole crypt]

game drops enough common fodder for enhancing, rare and higher is either LB or scrap for medals

[warm trail]

why not dupes for x2 exp

[storm heron]

I was so confused when limited ships aug are permanent

[whole crypt]

look up one line

[viscid swift]

because I don't care to optimize that much given the amount of commons you get

plus medals are valuable especially for non vets

[sharp socket]

2x exp for one ship is irrelevant when you can dump 60 commons into a ship for enhancing

[pale plinth]

Nvm I know my banner is bugged somehow. I got Akagi chan and Perseus from event banner it's giving me ships from the special banner instead of Heavy banner

[warm trail]

why not? are u scared?

[sweet delta]

[storm heron]

me dumping 50 rangers into anything but CV

[pale plinth]

Where do I send a bug report again?

[warm trail]

are u scared of something u dont understand?

[viscid swift]

pretty sure that's you pulling on the wrong banner at this point

[pale plinth]

Then I shouldn't also be getting the event ships

[mellow cape]

Proof?

[sharp socket]

if you send feedback for that expect to be ignored just saying

[tame pivot]

Where does Napoli rank compared to other Heavy cruisers? Should be done getting all the prints I need to dev 30 Daisen and Bayard pretty soon.. which should let me steam roll my way through getting Napoli prints since I already have Halford and Nakhi dev 30

[eternal moth]

She's the tankiest ship in the game

[viscid swift]

she's basically DR anchorage

[storm heron]

heck they might even get banned from the game-feedback channel

[tame pivot]

Noiceee.. been wanting a 2nd Anchorage

[viscid swift]

what?

[mellow cape]

There's also a bunch of EU laws that prevent rate spoofing and this game is like almost niap at this point. I see no reason for a spoofed rem

[viscid swift]

it's not that I don't understand it it's just way too much of a hassle for far too little gain to bother with

[whole crypt]

if you want to bug report it but make sure you have screenshots to back it up

[eternal moth]

I'd rather have the medals

[pale plinth]

They should have my pull history if I give my account ID right?

[storm heron]

suchi's reaction sums the answer for the "are u scared?" questin

[viscid swift]

doubtful

that wouldn't be something you can access easily

[mellow cape]

So no screenshot?

[pale plinth]

Azur lane doesn't keep pull history? Well I understanding 100% now why yáll just say "RNG LUL"

[whole crypt]

they should but technically the burden of proof is on you if you want to be taken seriously

[mellow cape]

Just show the screenshot my man

[warm trail]

[viscid swift]

I'm not saying they don't, just that CS may not have easy access to it

[quartz jungle]

It does, it shows in chat

[inner delta]

this is like the first time i seen report of banner being wrong pool

[quartz jungle]

But not 10 pull

[mellow cape]

Same loll

[viscid swift]

if you want it to get resolved, prove it with screen shots on your end

[warm trail]

get luckier

[viscid swift]

that doesn't show what banner they came from

[quartz jungle]

SR+ ships only I believe though

[storm heron]

UR?

[quartz jungle]

Fair

[viscid swift]

actually no, what would really need is a video

[whole crypt]

chat also only shows SR+ doesn't it

[brazen star]

show perseus sandwiched by event ship sorted by time joined

[viscid swift]

because it's not difficult to simulate a 10 pull with event ships and ships from the special banner

[sweet delta]

that doesn't prove he didn't click on the wrong banner sometimes and the right banner sometimes

[storm heron]

what do you mean?

[brazen star]

would be easier to believe if he showed any ss tho

[pliant plover]

Oh there's lunch boxes on T5 finally a good bp to farm

[warm trail]

not possible to pull on the wrong banner

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't believe it even with a SS at thsi point

[whole crypt]

and there's no reason for it to be bugged for one person only

[viscid swift]

there needs to be a video showing the full process or bust at this point

[mellow cape]

Yeah this feels like a tomfoolery moment

[warm trail]

he is him tho

[obsidian ivy]

The guy is just frustrated and is dragging you lot for a spin

[mellow cape]

Anyways, do people do multiple researches during maintenance or 6 smaller researches?

[viscid swift]

I try and set up the queue to last out the maintinence

[eternal moth]

It depends on what you're going for

[warm trail]

[whole crypt]

he claims to be, but with a game this size there's no reason to believe he's the one exception

[viscid swift]

without taking garbage of course

[viscid swift]

#al-general for that

[mellow cape]

Mmm trying to go for BPs specifically

[warm trail]

oh sht i thought this was general no wonder

what does marrying do? anything special?

[kind owl]

gives extra stats

[stark quiver]

you can sort your dock by time joined

[eternal moth]

Some ships also have additional voice lines, and oath skins

[storm heron]

:notshiro:

[viscid swift]

3% stat boost from oath and another 3% for reaching 200 affinity

[warm trail]

ohhh

[quartz jungle]

Who's shiro?

[eternal moth]

Noshiro

[stark quiver]

basically this emote

[eternal moth]

It's supposed to be noteshiro

[quartz jungle]

[barren tapir]

1 in 3,955,766 is really low but in practice, consider how many players play azur lane and just how often they are rolling, it's something you are very unlucky to experience but far from impossible

[sweet delta]

why r we still on this

[whole crypt]

because it's aurora

[barren tapir]

i was scrolled up sorry

[warm trail]

when do they give free rings?

[storm heron]

EN anniversary

[warm trail]

what date is it

[atomic abyss]

16 Aug

[warm trail]

ohhhh

wass laffey II worth it? i remember her but got too lazy and did not play

[atomic abyss]

Worth what

[eternal moth]

Did you get her? If not it doesnt matter

[uneven cave]

Is there a reliable way to farm exp for augments

[warm trail]

no

[eternal moth]

Farm XP? You just use stones

[uneven cave]

Including stones, I am so low on stones

[eternal moth]

That's literally the only way to get XP for them

[barren tapir]

timegated~

[storm heron]

daily weekly stones, event stones

[barren tapir]

oh wait not exactly, clearing rewards w12+ can drop them

but a very small amount

[eternal moth]

Funny you say that, I got a purple stone on my end screen right as you did

[storm heron]

is JP/CN already maintenance over?

[spring bolt]

no

[atomic abyss]

CN maint started like, 4h ago

[storm heron]

also is there a JP/CN ALO?

[spring bolt]

2 more hours but delay is expected

[atomic abyss]

Discord is technically banned in china...

Japan doesn't have an official discord

[spring bolt]

also no similar thing on any Chinese platform, people just use bilibili

[atomic abyss]

Or NGA smh

[vast sparrow]

is Soyuz a good subtitute of FDG?

[atomic abyss]

She's noticeably better than FdG lol

[sharp socket]

she is an upgrade even

[spring bolt]

nga is shit tbh... major guide makers don't post on nga anymore after some incidents

[storm heron]

but but w14

[stark quiver]

doesnt matter, still better ngl, her ice berg gud

[storm heron]

w14 mob is probably the only place where fdg gets S and syouz gets A

[sweet delta]

where's datamine, the public repo is broken

[stark quiver]

~~always copying off that tier list la~ ~~

[storm heron]

idk la it's their fault giving me access to a tierlist

[spring bolt]

fresh barrage datamine from icehood
rest... just use #5467's postshttps://space.bilibili.com/4305299/dynamic

[sweet delta]

i mean the code

[spring bolt]

oh... right... sadly i have no idea, public repo is my only source as well

[barren tapir]

another event with a shitload of toolkits, poggers

[storm heron]

:glownaruhodo:

[obsidian ivy]

All 3 want to be together huh

[storm heron]

hopefully there's something (at plus 10) that can make mog survive magato

[barren tapir]

i have so many toolkits already tbh but this will assist my dream of equipping every ship in my dock eventually

[eternal moth]

Hmm, 8 planes on an elite CV. That's pretty rare by itself right?

[barren tapir]

nice golden darkness has ||155% main gun efficiency after skill|| pretty high innit

[warm trail]

its okay to disassemble gray and blue gears right?

[wind hazel]

some blue gear is useful

[warm trail]

ehh

[storm heron]

how do you read them?

[gusty olive]

AYOOOOO

[spring bolt]

most cvs have 8 planes iirc

[eternal moth]

Translate the images. I'm using google translate

[wind hazel]

[barren tapir]

lala has ||5% AA reduce debuff for 8s every 20s||

also ||15% hitrate reduce|| which shud be like big survival increase isnt it?

[storm heron]

acc is not hitrate init?

[sweet delta]

idk, ||can you stop spoilering things?||

[barren tapir]

oh it doesnt need to be spoilered? noted

[storm heron]

gold fire extinguisher

[barren tapir]

anyway -15% hitrate is like, if they have 40% it becomes 25%, right? effectively +15% evarate for the entire vg?

[spring bolt]

it's -15% hit stat, not rate

[stark quiver]

#al-general message

close enough

[barren tapir]

oh ok the google translation was bad, nvm

[eternal moth]

That should be all the most important info

[obsidian ivy]

Another hit+ BB

[eternal moth]

Oh, Lala has a standard loadout, not all auxes. That's disappointing

[south sequoia]

Aux
+34/28 eva
+5 spd
When they fall 25%/lower they avoid damage for 1.5 seconds?

[junior walrus]

idk if this is considered gameplay but how do i change my background wall paper i looked in settings and maybe i overlooked it

[south sequoia]

Am I interpreting that correctlt?

[eternal moth]

I think that's evasion, not FP

[south sequoia]

Ah

[eternal moth]

Yeah, in stats, it has mechanism and gunfire

[barren tapir]

eva and spd

when taking total 25% dmg in 1 battle trigger invincibility for 1.5s, once per battle

[south sequoia]

Sounds kinda op for cbs/cas

[barren tapir]

what im hearing is pseudo rudder for fancy

makes me curious now just how much ehp% she'd have with sail, beaver, and new aux

[gusty olive]

interesting auxes

[barren tapir]

with sail beaver fruit she is 146% so maybe this aux pushes her to ancho tier

there's also a toolbox equivalent which has 500/590 hp and 2 luck with 1% regen every 20s, 3 times per battle

and it would stack with toolbox im pretty sure so uh ?!

[crisp current]

So Yami blue skill is her eating taiyaki?

[barren tapir]

total 7% hp heal per battle as long as it's only 1 minute long each and luck adds a decent bit of ehp

[stoic reef]

JUST CAME BACK TO THE GAME AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR, HOW LONG MORE TILL MAINTENANCE STARTS?? QUICK GUYS FAST FAST

[barren tapir]

26 minutes

[eternal moth]

Could Fancy even equip it? Usually Tempesta ships can only equip Tempesta gear

[stoic reef]

IS MUSASHI STILL GOOD?

[barren tapir]

they can equip collab and special gears like beaver and som other things

[eternal moth]

STOP YELLING

[stoic reef]

Bro I am in a rush

[barren tapir]

for example

so the real question is, 2 eva + 1 hp or 3 eva better for fancy?

[storm heron]

ehp where

[barren tapir]

im not sure when eva becomes worse than hp

[frank pulsar]

yes

[eternal moth]

Nana might be a torp monster, I need to read this more.

[frank pulsar]

you still have 23 minutes to pull her

[barren tapir]

with triple eva fancy will reach 202 eva on max

compared to 168 without the new aux.

but idk if that eva and luck is worth more than 530 hp and 5% regen

[real jasper]

I just started the game and get my musashi, how should I build my team with her around for now?

[barren tapir]

evarate gets better the more eva you have tho as it approaches 90% so uhh idk ill wait for mebot ig

[viscid swift]

Bench her for now

[eternal moth]

You don't, she's going to be really tough to get to max limit break for a while.

[frank pulsar]

dont use her, shes useless without mlb

[eternal moth]

I don't know, I'd say she's better than MLB Penny at 2 LB

[barren tapir]

lb2 with maxed skills is probably on par with the better gold bbs but definitely don't use at lb0

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
And give that a read

[frank pulsar]

all ship need mlb to be good, and ultra rares need like 2-3 months to get mlb at least

[viscid swift]

They just started

[barren tapir]

im slightly disappointed, i prefer gunboats hopefully she is still good on auto

[crisp current]

Im interested in how her penguin works

[eternal moth]

Lala's a gunboat at least

[barren tapir]

but also the 3 sisters get synergy when put together which could be pretty funny either way, barrage every 15, 18, 20s and all 3 enhanced + each has their own barrage stuff

[eternal moth]

Although her secondary is

[real jasper]

thank you, but early on she seem deal much more dmg than my other girl, so she will fall off after I can upgrade other low rarity girls right?

[barren tapir]

also momo has plant summon for even more dakka

[crisp current]

Permanent opsi mob fleet for me, just kick Haruna for unicorn

[barren tapir]

i think if i put them together it will be bullet hell i hope at least

also nana has zombie skill which is pretty cool

[eternal moth]

Bulin catchup and one month of specialized cores is enough to get a single UR to 2LB, which would be enough for Musashi to really get going, considering how strong her barrage is

[barren tapir]

i saw 2 different translations tho, either when attacking enemy or being attacked she gets evarate. the former would be better but i think it's the latter

[frank pulsar]

if you really, really wanna use her she should work reasonably at 2lb with maxed skills, but yr other ships should just be straight up better until then since you can mlb them much faster

[barren tapir]

if you have good gold bbs theyll be better but if you are stuck on penny and similar i think lb2 musashi is better

[frank pulsar]

i still recommend waiting for mlb though

[eternal moth]

Musashi is the one UR I disagree. Those lightning bolts do so much work

[real jasper]

tbh I started the game after knowing about TLR collab, so my main girl will be on this event, what should I prepare to do in this event?

[viscid swift]

2 limit break is still gonna be at least a few weeks off

[frank pulsar]

save cube

[barren tapir]

it depends on their other options, if they have nelson retro or augmented hood then sure but if theyre on worse ships lb2 musashi can do work

[crisp raven]

a little late, but from the home screen, tap on HQ. to the left of "project identity" there is a small button that says BG. tap on that. the current unlockable bgs are from the 3D dorm + default.

[frank pulsar]

her main source of dmg is still her mgm even if her barrage is strong