gameplay-help

[eternal moth]

You don't need a second fleet, I got to world 10 with a single fleet of nothing but blues and elites, plus Enty

If you're having problems, you might need to fix your gear. Do you have Unicorn?

[graceful rain]

Maybe my ships level is too low it really is fragile

[graceful rain]

I have unicorn

[eternal moth]

Are you tanking with Portland?

[soft raft]

For starters, what does your fleet currently look like?

[gray sphinx]

okay so quick question, I know someone mentioned that you bring asw gear because otherwise you'll get subbed to death but how do you know how many asw gear to bring?

is it just trial and error again?

[soft raft]

For W14-15, usually Hedgehog+ASW Plane (On Unicorn) is enough

At most maybe a extra purple depth charge

[eternal moth]

For 14-3 and 4, I used 2 pieces on vanguard plus ASW plane on Uni

[graceful rain]

Portland tank in first fleet with laffey and indi off tank

[soft raft]

Ditch Indinapolis asap
She's deadweight

[eternal moth]

Have you limit broken your ships?

Swap Indy-chan for Helena

[graceful rain]

only limit break laffey and unicorn to 4 stars

[viscid swift]

my dude, read the newbie tips I linked

[gray sphinx]

hmm okay cool. what's the thought process behind knowing what ships to put in each fleet? is it just understanding what the enemies and bosses do? cause I know zero visual cues as to what stomps a certain world or not. Like is there a reason to bring vanguard into w14 other than the fact that she's just busted? or maybe triple BBs perform better against that world?

[sweet delta]

for just clearing and not lethal 3 starring, hedgehog plus one is enough

[eternal moth]

By vanguard I mean the front line, not Vanny

[gray sphinx]

oh lol

[viscid swift]

if you did follow the fleet recc there then you're under leveled and lacking limit breaks

fix those rather than persuing a 2nd fleet which will be shit because you're lacking options

[rare wyvern]

For three stars on 14-3 and 4, mob is supposed to handle fleets while out of ammo ?

[viscid swift]

yes

[graceful rain]

:D lvl 20 - 30

[eternal moth]

Boss does enough that you really want your boss fleet to ONLY fight the boss

[viscid swift]

should be using Pennsylvania and Helena not Repulse and Indinapolis for one

[rare wyvern]

In this case, is it better to deal with BB fleets or sub fleets while you still got Ammo ?

[viscid swift]

and when I say more levels I mean over leveling

[graceful rain]

Imma switch real quick

[viscid swift]

chapter 4-1 enemies are level 35 minimum

tell me, do you know what level advantage does in AL

[graceful rain]

Idk maybe I need like a decent blue or purple gear for now my first fleet before this can barely get through 3-1 without second fleet

for now imma try this new comp first

[viscid swift]

^

every level you have over the enemy your ships deal 2% more damage and take 2% less damage from enemies, up to 50%

[graceful rain]

I don’t know

[viscid swift]

but it can also work the other way around

the simplest and easiest solution early game if you hit a wall is to level your ships more and limit break them

[graceful rain]

so if my level lower than enemies the enemy side deal more damage to me and I deal less damage to enemies

[eternal moth]

Convert all your tech boxes to purple, and try to get some decent gear.

[viscid swift]

yes

[eternal moth]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[graceful rain]

don’t really have many of those only have a few

[rare wyvern]

I normally start with 3 star sub fleets cuz they frighten me, but I dunno, also advice on when to deploy your subs in 14-3 ?

[viscid swift]

escort fleets are easier to deal with than BB fleets

fighting BB nodes, especially 3 stars without ammo is not a fun experience

[rare wyvern]

Usually my healer gets busted first

[viscid swift]

as for when to deploy your subs, save them for the out of ammo nodes and make sure they don't surface before the battle ends

[rare wyvern]

(I dare not utter her name because I haven't gotten Uni high enough yet)

[viscid swift]

bring more ASW then and shore up your aux guns

[eternal moth]

That's definitely part of your problem. If you're using Percy instead, you're losing out on a lot of damage

[viscid swift]

plane on your CVL, hedgehog launcher, and depth charge launcher should suffice

[rare wyvern]

I have been passing it but not 3 stars with Percy

[fiery raptor]

yeah bb and cv enemy nodes just put more pressure on your backline. even red recon nodes are more manageable on lethal

[viscid swift]

have you got the map down to safe

[rare wyvern]

Already done as (likely) you advised me to

[rare wyvern]

No, I cleared 60%, been doing event since

[viscid swift]

get it down to safe then before trying to 3 star it

[rare wyvern]

Alright

Is 14-4 just pretty much the same ?

[viscid swift]

more or less

[fiery raptor]

pretty much

[opaque gate]

whst armor type is this?

[eternal moth]

IIRC it's easier for mob because you have an ammo reload

[stark quiver]

turn off fleet lock and see

[rare wyvern]

Do I wait to be out of ammo and on recon fleets for the flare shells of 14-3 then ?

[zealous cave]

looks like its a battleship so i'd guess heavy? you can search it up on the wiki thouh

[kind needle]

is the meme aa fighter usable on w15?

[opaque gate]

ohh fleet lock is autostart?

[stark quiver]

what meme aa fighter

[fiery raptor]

which one is that

fw190?

[kind needle]

the iron blood purple craftable on gearlab

[stark quiver]

uhh i wouldnt do that

[fiery raptor]

it works on support but you want tigercats or flapjacks on fleet

i literally just put tigercats on everyone and had air supremacy through all of w15

[zealous cave]

wait purple im high

[kind needle]

well, I'm still on w14, ig imma prepare guam and develop shimanto

[fiery raptor]

you want damage as much as you want aa. the longer the last fights the more your mobbers/bossers get eroded

(having 8 wyverns also helped )

[kind needle]

can ships around 110 finish w14 or should I get them 115-120 first?

[opaque gate]

i thought AP does better against heavy, or does it only apply for BBs?

[fiery raptor]

on lethal or postclear farm?

[gray sphinx]

and here I thought 2 wyverns was enough for me lol

[stark quiver]

your gonna die in w14 with 110

[fiery raptor]

on lethal your gonna want at least 115 and they're going to have to be exceptionally good ships like shinano and musashi and that's post lethal clear i'm not sure if it was down to med or safe

[kind needle]

my backlines are only 120

[rare wyvern]

I'm personally kinda sweating on manual with my 125 shit

[sweet delta]

the right one is better against heavy though, look at the damage and reload

[rare wyvern]

Save me Unicorn !

[fiery raptor]

115 sandy/jda/yuudachi can take mobbing on lethal

[opaque gate]

okok, so not just dmg%

[kind needle]

idk if I should grind the event, I alr have wakatsuki on the first run but don't have the 460

[fiery raptor]

i'm not sure what the enemy overlevel debuff number is, but the father away from parity you are it just makes things harder for you

[viscid swift]

Just level everything to 120 no need to make things more difficult than it needs to be

[fiery raptor]

if you are in no rush 120 ships

it's better to stack the odds in your favor than gambling on ragtag. I did the latter in w14 and decided to overlevel everyone and bling the shit out of every one for w15. it was still rough, but straightforward rather than suffering.

[barren tapir]

there shouldn't be any rush to do w14/15 get them to 120 minimum

[opaque gate]

fuck my converging missed lol

fuck another one

[kind needle]

My usual setups for w14 are
Sashi/Volga/York2, Ancho/shima/ply for boss and FDG/Uni/Indep, Yat Sen/ Harbin/Laff2

Idk if those would work

[viscid swift]

Geared properly it'll work fine

[sweet delta]

blogging goes to #al-general

[opaque gate]

whos a good stopper? for relatively new players

[kind needle]

who should I give my UR FCT?

[viscid swift]

Personally though I'd rather move Volga to the mob fleet replacing independence and getting someone with stronger damage on the boss fleet

[fiery raptor]

fred

[stark quiver]

avp

[opaque gate]

who can i switch nagato with? i have nagato shinano amagi as my main fleet

[eternal moth]

Yeah, by the time you'll need a stopper, you should be able to build AvP

That's really a 5 year old account? I assume you stopped playing and just came back?

[opaque gate]

i was told to build FDG (currently)>cheshire(justnfor the Pr3quest then anchorage then Agir, should i go for AvP beforr Ancho?

yee, played when i think ch7 was the latest? i just keep stopping and coming back

[fiery raptor]

are you prioritizing opsi over campaign not a judgement just a development roadmap

[gray sphinx]

anyone have time to do some fleet shenanigans for w14? I don't think I know ships enough to know what ships are better against light/med/heavy

[opaque gate]

campaign

[fiery raptor]

ancho

avp is largely opsi focused

[opaque gate]

ohh i see, thank u

[fiery raptor]

make a thread i'll help

[graceful rain]

It did get me through boss stage with only one fleet it worked thank you @viscid swift

[stark quiver]

Hacker or good player for ex?

[fiery raptor]

or he has a good device to facilitate finesse lol

[viscid swift]

sure, start a thread and post your dock

[gray sphinx]

Ty ty just give me a minute to make one

[kind needle]

would flapjack/skypirate indep and flapjack/wyvern uni work in w14? or should I give indep wyvern?

[unique lantern]

how is this for opsi? didnt know which ship to put into 3rd main and vanguard pos of mobbing fleet so i just got sara and sandy

[stark quiver]

nah
you could do better

[viscid swift]

just start a thread with what gear you have

[fiery raptor]

should be fine. i cleared with barracudas.

[unique lantern]

haku is on the way so im using avp + shima for third ijn

[kind needle]

put implac if you have her

[eternal moth]

Do you have Kaza or another ARA ship to replace Shima with?

[unique lantern]

get a load of this guy
thinks i have an implac

[stark quiver]

alsace replaces fdg

[sweet delta]

#1307626120451063870 message

[eternal moth]

You also don't need AvP and Eldridge in the same fleet

[unique lantern]

even tho clearspeed goes down drastically cause no preload?

[gray sphinx]

W14 Fleets

[sweet delta]

if you wanted clear speed then you'd get independence

[viscid swift]

Unicorn literally has a preload already

[unique lantern]

ah, didnt see cause nobody answered for an hour

what i dont get is why ägir and eldridge in the same comp
also i should have clarified, my cv gear is garbage, got one tenrai only and my cvs deal 60% of my bbs dmg, so wouldnt helena fit there better?

dont ägir and eldridge both have crowd control and big tank (eldritch indirectly)

[sweet delta]

the BB fleet has to be desynced from helena to avoid strength's barriers

[stark quiver]

eldridge has a slow skill
which is also wasted on cv fleet

[sweet delta]

so if you put helena with BBs, then only 1 out of 3 salvos will sync with helena

[unique lantern]

what strength barriers? i have no idea what thats supposed to be

[sweet delta]

read the boss skills

[kind needle]

W14 Gearing

[sweet delta]

November
Strength VIII Shield Module: Vitality Surge Every 20s, the enemy Flagship will generate a shield that can absorb 20% of its Max HP, lasting for 5s.
Pluripotency Module After the enemy Flagship enters the battle, it will gain +10% to all stats every 10s, up to a maximum of 5 stacks.
Vanguard Fleet Hunter The enemy Flagship deals 50.0% increased damage to your Vanguard Fleet.

[stark quiver]

my fleet doesnt live long enough to see the shield so no problem

[sweet delta]

your fleet dies in 20s?

[stark quiver]

20s

like 40s i think

i wanted to one fleet it, but i cant cuz im new 💀

[kind needle]

is the 460 worth getting?

I didn't get 460 last run and picked wakatsuki instead

[eternal moth]

It's worth getting it, but not worth using it except in specific circumstances

[rare wyvern]

Do people actually pass Hard here, and when so, HOW

[eternal moth]

This one was tough, it took me 3 fleets

[sweet delta]

people kill it in one strike before even its first 20s barrier appears 💀

[fiery raptor]

overtime you just end up having a fleet built enough to do it. ship and gearwise

[stark quiver]

people =/= person sushi

[rare wyvern]

Don't give me hope

[unique lantern]

so like this, ye? time to see if i have the gear to support that many bbs

[sweet delta]

there's gotta be at least 2 people

[stark quiver]

when u did it, was it perfect cats, max tech and +13 spam

[sweet delta]

i don't have max tech

[stark quiver]

max backline tech?

[fiery raptor]

does flame aggression from 2 cats stack?

[unique lantern]

if i dont have mk4s what would be the next best fast ap gun

[stark quiver]

wait how many years did it take you to get max backline tech

[unique lantern]

next best, not the best

[eternal moth]

Why do you want a fast AP gun?

[unique lantern]

for the current opsi

[stark quiver]

i dont think there are any other outstanding ones

[sweet delta]

none

[unique lantern]

then ill make a couple, they build into 457s anyways, ye?

[stark quiver]

you at most need like 2 457s

[plain saffron]

I don't think there's next best other than mk4

[gray sphinx]

does anyone know what gear you're able to mass disassemble right away? I need to clear some space

[unique lantern]

i heavily overestimated my resources

[eternal moth]

Mk4 really isn't worth crafting

[soft raft]

Twin 457

[unique lantern]

i feel like everything in gear lab needs electronic components and i barely drop any

[plain saffron]

Yes

[sweet delta]

i guess you'll need to use the worse champ gun strategy then. and add autoloader to make it fast enough

[soft raft]

This is why you redeem every selector gear lab material crate for electronics

And also why you do the Monthly Arbiter fights

[stark quiver]

not a feeling , a reality

[unique lantern]

im prepping for my first arbiter rn

ive been losely doing my daily opsi for meta coords and now i have enough ships for 4 semi decent fleets finally

[plush quest]

which one to priotize mlb

[fiery raptor]

the ones closest to mlb

[viscid swift]

How many bullins do you have

[zealous cave]

dawg has 14 bulins

[plush quest]

i just didnt have gold, so i need prio

[fiery raptor]

musashi vanguard uvh laffii

[viscid swift]

Soyuz, Musashi, Shinano, Vanguard

[fiery raptor]

in retrospct i second cheeks'

laffii is w15 specific judgment, their spread is more generalist

[little tree]

Is there a wiki page that tells you how the Reload Value works?

[plush quest]

can i swap soyuz for lafii? onsidering shes on my opsi boss fleet, and i have other ur bb

[mellow cape]

Aren't they different roles entirely

[fiery raptor]

if you use her a lot sure

[frank pulsar]

under combat

[unique lantern]

still making gear for that opsi fleet and this... is the first time this happened since the first few weeks of me playing
do i just go into my depot and delete every mediocre aux, and while im at it also every other mediocre/bad gear?

[little tree]

~~ it under Damage cacluations but i found it ! ~~

[viscid swift]

One, none MLB ships are shit

2 you want 3 you can run them in an OpSi boss fleet and for meta showdowns

[plush quest]

i see, well i already have mlb bisko2 so i'll proceed with laffii

thanks!

[viscid swift]

You should have said that

[soft dagger]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Thebombzen/Safe_To_Scrap_MK_II
a guide for scrapping gear

[viscid swift]

Okay that brings up the question of what URs you do have MLB

Because the next choice still wouldn't necessarily be Laffey 2

DRs as well

[fiery raptor]

the pick may not be for gameplay effciency reasons

[frank pulsar]

isnt that under combat...?

im gonna check

[viscid swift]

I still give my reccs based one what's the best return on investment

[little tree]

it brought me to a seperate page

[frank pulsar]

yea its here

[viscid swift]

Musashi, Shinano, Soyuz for the first 3

[kind needle]

could haku/cv amagi-nano-implac work at opsi?

[frank pulsar]

yes

[viscid swift]

The last one depends on if you plane to tackle w15 anytime soon

[fiery raptor]

isn't that the standard heavy-buster cv fleet

[viscid swift]

If not I'd go Unzen for the last choice

[kind needle]

idk, I'm using Kear-Implac-York

[plush quest]

[unique lantern]

oh ya... when am i supposed to use these?

[kind needle]

exp farming

[keen sable]

when you want to play less

[fiery raptor]

i use kear-avp-york variant as a seperate fleet to hit medium and light

1 mob, 2 the ap bb ,3 is heavy cv 4 is light and medium cv

[unique lantern]

whats the effect on morale? does it use twice the amount or the same amount? if it uses the same i could really spam some of these rn, still need 15k event points for the dr bps

[kind needle]

avp still usable in later stages?

[viscid swift]

Twice the morale drain

[unique lantern]

:c

[inner delta]

its just 2 play in 1

like unique say when you want to play less

[fiery raptor]

well yeah implac and avp overlap as stoppers, and avp has her niche in punishing medium and light

[kind needle]

Imma try that, my vs light armor bb comp sucks

[fiery raptor]

kear can run the mk7, and a rocket fighter which suits her nicely

[unique lantern]

eh she still good enough?

[frozen inlet]

Hey just got to ch 9 and was wondering what i should focus on to make a better fleet

[keen sable]

L120, events, and start swapping ships into boss fleet

[frozen inlet]

is it alright if i create a thread so u can give me advice on what ships to focus?

Can i use any ship or is there ones i should focus on?

[fiery raptor]

show what you got and then we'll deal with it

[frozen inlet]

Fleet

[rare wyvern]

What are the differences between the three ROC DDGs ? I'd like to try out one at least

[storm heron]

does yt2 event has pr6 bps?

[barren tapir]

no

[wind hazel]

if it's the elite one, just keep it on one of your unused ship, it's unique

but no it's not really used

[storm heron]

damn that's more protocores

Do we have a discount ticket for black friday like last year?

where is it?

[keen sable]

Events > Akashi's Firesale

[unique lantern]

im 99% done with hakus unlock, at which dev is she better than an enterprise?

[storm heron]

fsV

can be better

[unique lantern]

wym can be better :v

[storm heron]

owari da

[keen sable]

if you want to be competitive with a MLB ship you need to be...MLB.

[forest palm]

Enterprise's skill proc is fuckin broken, and can potentially beat out all modern UR CV, just like Ranger

[barren tapir]

enty is comparable to UR when owari da right

[forest palm]

and if you're wondering why Enterprise is good, it's because she has a good baseline for stats, and efficiencies, to top this off that one skill of her is future proofed because she's as good as the best gear on the market, so any new strong shit that comes out is indirectly a buff to her

[unique lantern]

omg, i was so engrossed in making and upgrading the gear for the fleet that i almost didnt claim all the weekly rewards and reset is in 3 mins

[barren tapir]

+100% dmg dealt moment functionally enty has 16 planes when it procs so

[pale wing]

Guys, how's Nelson and London?

[reef flume]

That's a double Owari Da tho

[wind hazel]

good, budget

[barren tapir]

also in campaign im pretty sure enty outstrips every single UR cv at 0 ammo bc her skill is additive to out of ammo

not particularly relevant but it's a cool fact

[storm heron]

wait really?

[unique lantern]

anyways, all 6 cvs are now equipped and ready, only enty and avp are still missing skill levels too, i can give the fleet a shot in a few hours

these catapults cost me all my plates

[storm heron]

where's da fact checker

I never heard it

[barren tapir]

yes

meaning out of ammo she does triple damage effectively

no UR can beat it i think. mind you, it's not likely you'd be using enty in a mob fleet, but still

[storm heron]

so enty when no out of ammo have 170% damage

[barren tapir]

no out of ammo should be 200% and with plenty ammo 210%

[plain saffron]

200

[storm heron]

on out of ammo it's 30%(50%) + 70%(150%) = 120%

[barren tapir]

her buff is +100%

[storm heron]

sorry I mean on average

[plain saffron]

Ammo 100 + 100
No ammo 100 - 50 +100

[barren tapir]

oh on average then i guess yeah out of ammo she'd be 120%

[storm heron]

so on average enty on out of ammo deals 120/50% = 240% of base enty when out of ammo

[barren tapir]

you've lost me again

but yeah owarida is one of the most broken skills (the most? idk) in AL

[storm heron]

wait wth my math wrong

[velvet slate]

what they are saying is that when out of ammo the penalty applies only to her base damage but her skill is unnafected.

What they mean by tripple damage is that her receiving 100% base damage bonus from her skill will have double efficiency when out of ammo due to bringing her to 150% instead of 50%

[unique lantern]

which fleet do i put my beaver squad tag in?

[wind hazel]

usually boss tank

[barren tapir]

a boss fleet, probably, on main tank

[forest palm]

boss preferably

[unique lantern]

yea, but i have 2 boss fleets, the cv and bb fleet

[barren tapir]

this is for opsi right, so then whichever boss tank suffering the most right now

[wind hazel]

either one

[unique lantern]

aight

[wind hazel]

if it's opsi you can just swap gear

[forest palm]

I don't even bother with beaver in ops

[wind hazel]

my beaver on pvp

[forest palm]

what's that?

[rare wyvern]

Tai Yuan is the best DDG if I want to use her without having to focus on faction comp right ?

[forest palm]

Tai Yuan, and An Shen both work solo, Chang Chun wants to buddy up

[barren tapir]

isn't she the best in general in full fleet

[storm heron]

so it's just 300 gems off for 4th skin?

[rare wyvern]

Ah my bad yeah An Shan doesn't need the other DDGs indeed

An Shan's buff is a bit better though

TRP is up 25% opposed to Tai Yuan's 10%

[barren tapir]

tbh idk i just see ppl using tai yuan mostly

[rare wyvern]

But Tai Yuan got this shield

She helps the main tank so it might be why

Negates 6 shells for 6s every 15s

[barren tapir]

i'd guess her barrage is better or something but idk the actual reason

[frank pulsar]

tai yuan solo dmg is better compared to an shan and chang chun
chang chun if faction or other trp dps, an shan if running other fp dps, tai yuan if no other dps in same vanguard/using cv

[barren tapir]

since they all have extremely similar statlines its gotta be the barrage?

probably tai yuans is a bit stronger cos it lacks a debuff

[storm heron]

not rly similar since there's self buff and different burn

[rare wyvern]

Without a Soyuz I feel I can't make use of Chang Chun's buff really, aside for herself

[barren tapir]

similar before skills i mean, and anshan and taiyuan self buffs are very similar

so idk where the dmg diff would come from if not for the barrage

[rare wyvern]

An Shan just got better torp buff

[barren tapir]

yeah which is why im wondering why tai yuan is the highest dps

[rare wyvern]

Alright then

I will ponder

[barren tapir]

checked data, their barrages all do the same total damage, but tai yuan's is reaimed at closest target which maybe makes her more consistent?

[frank pulsar]

basically if you dont need an shan ab or chang chun faction/trp buffs, just use tai yuan

[barren tapir]

also she has 25% more rld but that should be pretty minor

[storm heron]

until tai yuan fires one extra rocket in 88s

[barren tapir]

i would expect that anshan's 15% trp would do more but shruggers

[barren tapir]

true if it meets a breakpoint then that makes sense

[cobalt rapids]

her barrage reaims
but theres not a large diff between anshan and ty unless her RLD makes a diff ( extra missile )

[dusk maple]

rld makes a difference

[barren tapir]

ah so it's cos of this right

[cobalt rapids]

yes when it does

[barren tapir]

and she has marginally higher gun dps due to rld

[rare wyvern]

Since I don't own Soyuz and I don't think my Chkalov is gonna be relevant, might as well go for Tai Yuan

Also I only got one missile anyway

[cobalt rapids]

cc isnt buffing chkalov anyway

[rare wyvern]

Yeah, it's FP/TRP/AA

[cobalt rapids]

i mean techincally she is but the buff is useless

[rare wyvern]

Installs main gun mounts on Chkalov's bridge

[forest palm]

Houshou?

[unique lantern]

done with all the equipment except... the bb guns
i dont have mk4s or 457s, i also only have one champ gun what else can i equip for opsi, or is hard arbiter no longer possible with those bb gear restrictions?

eh imma go to sleep and see what i can come up with tomorrow, staring at equipment for 2 hrs straight makes me insane

[cobalt rapids]

equip mk6 if u dont have 20s ap bb guns ( champy/flandre/soyuz guns)

[unique lantern]

oh yea, im already rocking those for helena sync anyways

all 6 bb gun slots?

do i need the autoloader then to get them below 20s?

[cobalt rapids]

just the other 2 bb gun slots

[unique lantern]

have 6 bbs

[cobalt rapids]

low tech + unoath will prob need loader if u dont wanna go in shield or manual

just swap ur gear from 1 bb fleet to the other

[unique lantern]

wait... oath also increases reload? did i shoot myself in the foot by oating one bb (alsace)

[cobalt rapids]

theres no point gearing 2 fleets at the same time when they can only fight 1 at a time

[cobalt rapids]

uh no oathing will never shoot urself in the fleet it just makes copying homeworks harder

[forest palm]

with Hard Arbiter just go for doing as much damage as you can

[onyx salmon]

Yo chat I have a qn, is there a pity system? Cos I've spent 120+ pulls and still no mushashi

[cobalt rapids]

200 pulls/400 cubes for UR only

this thing

[onyx salmon]

Isn't that the guaranteed? So there's no pity? Damn

[cobalt rapids]

yea its more like spark, no pity

[bold stream]

Hahahaha! Just wanna share my joy of getting this bad boy. Hello all!

[forest palm]

do keep in mind that no other UR is in the pool with event banners

[onyx salmon]

Any alternatives to farming cubes? My ships are alr tired

[rare wyvern]

But what if this Helldiver became a Goldiver

[forest palm]

don't...

[wind hazel]

isn't pity=guaranteed?

[rare wyvern]

I know, hence the barred text

[forest palm]

been that way for a decade

I think stuff like Genshin moved the definition of Pity, but that's neither here nor there

[unique lantern]

hard pity is guarantee, but usually gacha also has soft pity

[wind hazel]

what is soft pity

[rare wyvern]

Isn't it the 50/50 thing ?

[unique lantern]

the closer you get to hard pity the more the chances rise, starting at one point, i think for 90 pull hard pities the soft pity usually starts at 60 or 70

[cobalt rapids]

well you could be about it and say pity = hoyo stuff with 100% on Nth pull with soft pity before that ( 📈 % chances on N-10th pull) while spark or guaranteed or blah is the shop exchange like azu and ba and stuff

[unique lantern]

nah thats just the 50 50

[wind hazel]

oh increasing odds

[barren tapir]

pity and spark are slightly different imo

pity is, your next pull is guaranteed to be this ship

spark is, after X number of pulls, you get this ship as a bonus for "free"

[forest palm]

basically pity has always meant guarantee

[barren tapir]

spark doesnt care if you pulled the ship on #199 but pity does

at least pitys that reset i guess

[cobalt rapids]

oh yea reset aswell

[wind hazel]

that sounds like the same, but extra step

[forest palm]

AL uses the sparking system from GBF think that's simple enough

[barren tapir]

it's different only if pity resets upon a success

[wind hazel]

i'll never forgive the Japanese companies

[barren tapir]

cos then pull 199 = musashi -> pity 200 is not musashi, spark 200 is an extra musashi

[wind hazel]

i see, make sense

[forest palm]

ya but thanks to popular gacha like genshin, now the term is just pity because that's how memetics work

[unique lantern]

this looks so scuffed, but with what i have its the best i can do time to give sushis comp advice a shot

[wind hazel]

probably don't need the autoloader

[unique lantern]

i do

[wind hazel]

you do?

[unique lantern]

or she fires after the ships which need the autoloader

[forest palm]

Vanny needing more speed is sus as fuck

[unique lantern]

20 sec opsi thingy

[barren tapir]

autoloader timing moment

[wind hazel]

vanguard is probably the quickest firing ship lol

what are you using that fire even faster than her

[cobalt rapids]

other bbs with autoloader

[barren tapir]

they oath alsace but idk if that is an issue

[cobalt rapids]

its not, 20s strength is the issue

[unique lantern]

ye, to reach the sub 20sec time because of the shield

[wind hazel]

oh

[barren tapir]

oooo i see

[forest palm]

again you should hit sub 20 w/o an auto loader

[unique lantern]

my fleet tech is poopoo

[wind hazel]

i turned off my brain and didn't notice mine

[forest palm]

skill issue la

[unique lantern]

im actually impressed i have 0 rld tech

[uncut oar]

[wind hazel]

yes... that's almost nothing

[sharp socket]

thats normal because most of it is in commons/rares

[forest palm]

I don't know if I'd call that normal

[sharp socket]

and you're unlikely to 120 them following normal progression

[forest palm]

faction tech exists...

[rare wyvern]

If your first volley with 20% less loading time lands before the shield, do you even need to slow down more ?

[barren tapir]

normal for a newer player?

[storm heron]

bb rld only 13 anyways

[wind hazel]

normal i guess, but usually they wouldnt even bother with harbiter

[cobalt rapids]

faction tech doesnt give bb rld

[forest palm]

thought it did

[cobalt rapids]

bb rld is 17 not 13

[sharp socket]

getting new ships and mlb'ing them is more accessible than 120'ing ships

[barren tapir]

i would bother if i could hit 75% at least but definitely cant too noob

[rare wyvern]

Like it's a 20 sec even with the fire control ? Rest would go every 20 sec and would be desynced with the shield anyway right ?

[unique lantern]

if it was 20 sec even, im at 20.7 without loader

[cobalt rapids]

even if vanny is slightly faster and make it out before the shield shell just push the other bbs into the shield which are the actuall dmg dealers

[unique lantern]

anyways no stopping me now, im ready to get ripped a new one by arbiter

[barren tapir]

enjoy

[rare wyvern]

Yeah but like, doesn't the fire control make you fire like at 16s, 36s, 56s ?? So like, outside the arbiter shields ?

[wind hazel]

manual and delay them 🧠

[unique lantern]

17 37.7 58.4

and the extra parts of the barrages would all hit the shields then

[forest palm]

Vanguard also gets a 20% RLD buff

[cobalt rapids]

the aim is to make all 3 bb fire outside the shield not just vanny

[forest palm]

obviously

[cobalt rapids]

and a bb needs like 3s to unload her salvos

[rare wyvern]

Now that's very nice information

[forest palm]

but Vanguard being at 20.7s w/ a 20% RLD Buff, and HSFCR sounds off...

[cobalt rapids]

that should be on gear screen

[unique lantern]

nah the other 2 bbs are at 20.7

hsfcr doesnt show on gear tho, just removes 15% of the first shots load time

[cobalt rapids]

#gameplay-help message

[uncut oar]

I don't remember 120ing anybody with rld tech when I was new and I know this because I did my fleet tech tracker a while back

[barren tapir]

isnt that what i said

[uncut oar]

Oh. .-. Well yeah case in point then
I'm just about recovering from a week+ throat infection I'm sorry

[reef kite]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology#rn

I've been looking for this guide for years this is insane how i only just found it

[pearl quarry]

I have a question

What do I do with UR dupes?

[fiery raptor]

mlb fodder

[forest palm]

use them to limit break

[pearl quarry]

I got another new Ur like 10 summon

[fiery raptor]

saves bulin, makes mlb faster

[pearl quarry]

How do I check build history?

[wind hazel]

you can't

[pearl quarry]

Oh

[fallow sedge]

NJ or shinano

[barren tapir]

is there a reason i shouldn't save oil for the collab event

[frank pulsar]

from pity? nano until mlb
after that nj = uvh > shima

[sweet delta]

If you have mail, is there a reason you should save oil for events?

[barren tapir]

i save mails for yk2

but is there a reason i shouldn't?

[sweet delta]

To pre farm coins

[frank pulsar]

yk2 event is the only event i ever opened mails for
imho just open as needed since youll prob never run out unless yr mega grinder

[barren tapir]

ppl told me not to save oil that's why im confused

kinda figured starting on max softcap is a given for events u care about?

[frank pulsar]

no point in saving ye, maybe set aside some for yk2 event but i dont a reason not to just spend it when you need the oil

[cobalt rapids]

the upgrade on that gun doesnt matter, well for no aa gun for that matter they are just statsticks

[shell depot]

oil regenerates pretty fast and unless you blitz an event in one day you often dont need that much

[barren tapir]

i mean not starting an event on 1k oil sounds smart

[cobalt rapids]

ure not being a bother
and please enable pings if it passed some time

[barren tapir]

are ppl confusing what i mean by saving oil

i just mean having weeklys+weekly pack + softcap

[frank pulsar]

ive only been low on oil like 5 times in 2 and a half years

[barren tapir]

so im very confused now

[shell depot]

usually your units get cranky before you run out of oil, honestly

[sweet delta]

That's because you don't play much

[barren tapir]

no you guys dont get it, is there a reason i shouldnt start an event with a decent level of oil

[vale spindle]

you should start an event with oil

[sweet delta]

I don't get you

[reef kite]

how long does it take to get all of heindenburgs blueprints?

[vale spindle]

however consider that you get oil very frequently

[frank pulsar]

i wish i could play more

[sweet delta]

I've started events with 15k oil and I've started events with 1000 oil and 1k coins, it doesn't matter in the end

[barren tapir]

next event has gearskins thats why i want to ensure i maximize the farm

[cobalt rapids]

unused oil is dead oil to me, saving for hvar is fine but consider how much oil ull be able to spend and not just on paper

[barren tapir]

i never waste any canteen oil if that's what you mean

[shell depot]

in my experience you hit an event really hard, or just hit alternate days, and you'll still have a lot of oil

[cobalt rapids]

i meant mail oil aswell

[velvet slate]

if your focus is to get a lot of event rewards from the event store, going into an event with a ton of oil is a good idea.

if you on the other hand have as a goal pitying a UR banner than is best to farm gold ahead of time as farming gold in campaign is far more eficient than doing it on event stages.

So it heavily depends on what your goals are.

It also depends if you are f2p or buy some packs

[barren tapir]

i havent had a reason to use mail oil yet

[reef kite]

how long it take to get all of heidenburgs blueprints? thinking if i should buy the skin now or if i should wait till later to buy it

[vale spindle]

...use mail oil to supercharge ur event grind if you have 0 normal oil

[crimson glacier]

depends how much gold or cubes you spend on research

[cobalt rapids]

i do , but consider if u will be able to spend 100k mail oil in 1 week

[barren tapir]

idk ppl just asked me if i knew something when i said im saving oil for the event

[vale spindle]

to use the skin u don't need any blueprints
you only need blueprints if you want her to be good in combat

[shell depot]

without spending cubes I tend to finish a rainbow in about half a year

[crimson glacier]

without cubes it should be less than 4 months still

[barren tapir]

i definitely can i have a lot of ships that could farm an event

[shell depot]

i have terrible rng

[crimson glacier]

nothing to do with rng

[reef kite]

oh- i was under the impression that you would need her blueprints to get the character for some reason. Thank you.

[vale spindle]

Its been almost 4 months and i dont have a dev 30 dr from pr7

[barren tapir]

and they didnt explain what, so i asked here

[crimson glacier]

you finish the whole season in like 4 months

[tame jungle]

Oh yeah no we were just messing with you LOL

[shell depot]

you saw that but I can go a week or two without seeing any character resech

[crimson glacier]

thats simply not true

[velvet slate]

i finished PR 3 4 5 6 in 11 months without spendin cubes on research, so 1 DR every 6 months means you are doing basic research, no way it takes that long otherwise

[barren tapir]

ohhh okay. i figured that might be the case but wanted to double check just in case

[crimson glacier]

being slow with research is always either skill or coin issue

[vale spindle]

sometimes im coin broke when it's time to pick researches and i dont have time to do 5 runs of 12-4 to get coins in the morning

[shell depot]

cant say ive ever had a coin issue with it

[vale spindle]

it is what it is

[velvet slate]

just focus face research and take DR whenever available and you will progress pretty fast

[shell depot]

thats the best way to do it, yes

[barren tapir]

yee i'll definitely farm coins ahead of time for december and yk2 but for yk2 also want oil for the gear as i heard it's gud

[fiery raptor]

i'm relatively casual and my bps are actually outpacing my pr progress 😂 i have 3 of my ships's bp to dev 30 but i haven't finished unlocking them. 2 of which are DR

[vale spindle]

the issue wont be oil the issue will be time

1 week is short

You get bonus points and stuff but that doesnt help with stage drops

[barren tapir]

it shud be fine with helps, multiple ship rotations, and lots of free time

[forest palm]

I finished PR7 like mid Oct

[barren tapir]

tho - is there a specific number i should be aiming for? or just as many as i can get

[vale spindle]

As many as possible

[cobalt rapids]

3-4 would be ideal

[atomic abyss]

they are still better than the LA-9s for light, so no reason not to get as many as possible

[forest palm]

I have to wonder if they'll fix the HVAR for the rerun

[barren tapir]

i shud only have 50k or so mail oil by then if i spend nothing which is about 1000 minutes of non-help sorties

[atomic abyss]

it'll probably be one of the highest prio gear lab stuff when it comes perma

[cobalt rapids]

idk what im gonna do with over 5 hvars

[atomic abyss]

pray they remain lazy/forgetful and forget to patch it then

[forest palm]

[crimson glacier]

which one will be highest prio?

[barren tapir]

what's that?

[fiery raptor]

rocket hellcat

[atomic abyss]

HVAR Hellcats are your best rockets for anti light

[barren tapir]

no i mean the fix or what's broken rn

[atomic abyss]

they had buffed drop rates

[cobalt rapids]

drop rates were bugged to be higher

[barren tapir]

ahh i hope they dont fix it either

[forest palm]

[sweet delta]

If you have 1500 helps and 800k oil then maybe you can farm for 160 hours straight with lots of ship rotation, yielding 15+ hvars with normal rates

[forest palm]

would be funny if they power crept the HVAR

Gear Lab update is on the way

[barren tapir]

i'll have a couple hundred so definitely no

[fiery raptor]

mighty mouse tempests but they wouldn't be anti-light they'd be competing with the la-9 vs med and heavy

it's a big frickin rocket

[sweet delta]

[atomic abyss]

wouldnt be as bad as that one suggestion to have tempestas have ghosts come out of them and kill planes

all in a bid to give them AA

[forest palm]

I do wish they went fantastical with tempesta rather than just treating them as old ships

[barren tapir]

ok but that would be cool

[atomic abyss]

...i mean why ghosts

[fiery raptor]

saint elmo's lightning, have an electric aura but it acts like an aa gun

[shell depot]

now i wanna send planes to the shadow realm

[barren tapir]

then again if they just made every tempesta as decent as fancy it wouldnt even be suggested

[atomic abyss]

at that point you might as well use their array of tentacles to swat planes

[barren tapir]

tbh i havent seen the ghost suggestion but i've seen tentacle one

[crimson glacier]

i feel like this is pretty pointless thing to talk about

[forest palm]

just like everything in life

[barren tapir]

true this isn't #al-general

[plush bone]

EVA is useless against EX boss' attacks right? Might be wording it wrong

[cobalt rapids]

depends on EX boss and if they have 9999 HIT
eva usless then but eva rate not

[plush bone]

[rose cosmos]

Is kotegawa free elite?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[rose cosmos]

skin isn’t free though rite

[atomic abyss]

yeah they're not

[vale spindle]

No free skins unless something comes up last min

[rare wyvern]

Is there even a point buying the Main Fleet mode for the DDG retrofit ?

[atomic abyss]

nope

[rare wyvern]

My precious money all gone again

But I don't mind, I don't intend to roll more than thrice a day the collab event, I'll chill till December, so I can spend

[wind hazel]

you can level them faster

[rare wyvern]

How come ? Main fleets gets more xp ?

[wind hazel]

yes

[rare wyvern]

Huh, nice, thanks

[cobalt rapids]

because they can flag

[rare wyvern]

What an intimidating sight

[velvet slate]

the flagship gets a 50% bonus xp, coupled with mvp is so much easier leveling backliners than vanguards in general

for example

[barren tapir]

nonnmlb

[rare wyvern]

What a ravishing sight on the bottom right corner

[velvet slate]

im waiting for pity on final day before i max lmb her so i dont waste a bulin

[barren tapir]

fair enough

i have 6 more chance to get her otherwise i dunno (collab, UR, yk2 staring at my cubes)

[velvet slate]

i basically got her 4 times so far and im at 186/200 and pity will guarantee max lmb without spending a bulin (my first UR event hen i dont have to use bulins for a ur), that alone makes musashi my favorite XD

[low lintel]

Hey would it be a problem if i send like 2-3 photos of UR's i'd like to know which i should limit break fully first?

[cobalt rapids]

no problem

[atomic abyss]

no, but it would probably be better to just take a photo of your dock itself with just URs filtered

as we would need to know what other URs you have already

[low lintel]

Yup sure thing

These are all i have for now

There are more UR's but they are all fully lb

[atomic abyss]

alsace

backliner that is closest to MLB

[low lintel]

Alright and the UR after Alsace?

[low lintel]

Major League Baseball??

[atomic abyss]

that would depend on your other MLB URs

max limit break

[low lintel]

Oh ok

[noble osprey]

Guys what Aux's should I use on Unicorn?

[atomic abyss]

2 gold catapults

[fiery raptor]

how strong is a red treasure fleet node? same as a recon node?

[noble osprey]

I have a steam catapult, is that it?

[royal copper]

anyone know what to do with UR exchange when u alr got them all mlb?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[fiery raptor]

just leave it alone and wait for roster addition

[barren tapir]

purple steam catapult and aviation oil tank can be used as transitional gears if you don't have enough gold catapult

[atomic abyss]

depends on the map
i'd say same usually

[royal copper]

bet

[velvet slate]

note that once you reach 400 points u can't keep stacking, so you cant stack 2 or 3 pities waiting for the next UR to be added, that being said but if you do have them all is still best to wait

[shell willow]

next wishing well is expected at cn anni?

[wary timber]

Should I focus on getting this gun or the Hindenburg gun

From research btw. I don't intend to spend on protocore shop yet

[crimson glacier]

i dont think either is really worth the time to get from research

[wary timber]

Why tho. Aren't these the best HE/AP CA guns u can build

[crimson glacier]

its normal and AP, and the problem is that they are CA guns

[wary timber]

Hm

Then fine. What would be the best guns for Anchorage and Cheshire

[crimson glacier]

i usually just slap this thing on everyone

[rare wyvern]

Actually my guns for CAs, nice

[plush bone]

Cheshire only has 1 main gun mount, so a drake or hinden gun would be a bit of a waste on her

[rare wyvern]

I was actually underway for crafting this because it's the only relevant rainbow of the gear lab I aim that uses just the top secret rainbow things

[soft dagger]

so does 457 and spearfish

[sharp socket]

saving is also an option

gearlab update is likely to come soon at about january

[plush bone]

any info on how that update will affect anything?

[atomic abyss]

no way for us to know

[plush bone]

we just know there's going to be an update/overhaul?

[wind hazel]

it's what we can expect

[rose cosmos]

Is this the Cheshire gun

[crimson glacier]

roon

[atomic abyss]

roon gun

chesh gun is a normal ammo one

[crimson glacier]

chesh gun works fine tho on like all CAs

[atomic abyss]

most

[rose cosmos]

What do you recommend on bb then, like ulrich

[atomic abyss]

BBs it always depends on your enemy

mk6 or mk7 for light armour bosses
champy/soyuz/flandre gun for med/heavy armour bosses

457 for mobbing

[cinder hornet]

which ships should I look to upgrade? (I'm starging to have a decent amount of bulins as I'm focusing only on my fleet so far)

and should I upgrade I-58?

[tame jungle]

no need for subs for the time being

[mellow cape]

Is there no way to get the Eldridge part for retrofitting?

[whole crypt]

not until it reruns

[keen mural]

Is This a good cat for subs?

[mellow cape]

I keep missing these events man 😔

[whole crypt]

DD talent is meh but you can use it until you get a better cat

it works on subs too but evasion is basically useless

[keen mural]

Figured,

[whole crypt]

flame with officer is not a bad roll, it's just that other talent

I doubt you have a better sub cat to use for now anyway so just go for it

[upbeat wagon]

so, since i got 4 ur bulins should i start leveling up my ur ships? And if i should, should i level up shinano or musashi

[keen mural]

Yeah I don't have many cats at all

[whole crypt]

depends on what other URs you have

[upbeat wagon]

i only have these 2

[whole crypt]

I'd probably go for Musashi first then

strong carry for campaign and still pretty good for bosses

Shinano is great but pretty much focused on heavy armour bossing

[storm heron]

[mellow cape]

Well... I just got 3 musashis in a row. Easy MLB?

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/841402996693008465.webp?size=56

[low harness]

what is the best DD gun for eldridge retrofit?

[plain saffron]

pls stop hacking

[grizzled sundial]

If one of the ship limit break result in special secondary gun unlock , does that gun affect by whatever gun you put on her secondary slot or it is a different altogether ?

[coarse heron]

the UR DD gun

[plain saffron]

it's a fixed gun on that ship

[mellow cape]

I posted a pic in the trophy room loll

[plain saffron]

usually all cruisers have 1 generic ghost gun, some lb change to upgraded version

[low harness]

mogador UR DD gun or the craftable UR DD gun?

[tame jungle]

Yes

[whole crypt]

if you're still building I suggest you stop, especially if you're building with cubes
if you have spare tickets keep it for the last 2 days' build missions

[mellow cape]

Nooo those were all free tickets

[buoyant talon]

Hi where can i farm canon for tempesta ship ? Comeback after quit for years btw

[mellow cape]

💀 I haven't spent my cubes

[coarse heron]

You can't

[tame jungle]

Not anymore

[plain saffron]

wait for rerun

[whole crypt]

then good for you can save the bulins for Shinano or next UR

[coarse heron]

The craftable one

[low harness]

ah okay thanks

[grizzled sundial]

depend on which ship , there is the 12 pounder in the core shop for vanguard frigate

[mellow cape]

LOL yeah I was just burning tickets.. I think I'll probably wait for the next UR

Any idea what it is?

[whole crypt]

there's still Tuesday's and Wednesday's build missions if you want to save tickets for those

[whole crypt]

we never know ahead of time

[coarse heron]

We don't find out until they announce the event, at most the hint we get is the faction.

and that'll be maybe a week beforehand

[buoyant talon]

So I can only buy 1 gun per month right ?

[coarse heron]

Correct, and you shouldn't because the Tempesta ships are gobshite

[grizzled sundial]

Well....if you are dead set on using tempesta ship...

[buoyant talon]

I build because Dolphin looks adorable, that's all

[barren tapir]

if you want to use them don't let anyone stop you, tho it's worth mentioning only fancy is decent

[grizzled sundial]

Assuming they still stick to the story line , Yorktown 2 is next .

[barren tapir]

also unfortunately id consider dolphin the worst of all of them, her skills are just so bad, unlike every other tempesta 'sub', she doesn't have a heal on entry or exit so once she hits her threshold she literally can't do anything and that's on top of tempesta 'subs' being really mid to begin with + her being purple

[barren tapir]

that is the rerun in january

[barren tapir]

(and amity in rather niche circumstances for her debuff only)

[low harness]

b-but shes adorable

[buoyant talon]

I have 300 ships btw and build Terror and Erebus since the game launch. Idc how bad they are, as long as they looks adorable to me

[barren tapir]

she is but she will be very difficult to use her skills are just that bad

[grizzled sundial]

As long as you don't use them for world map pass 12 .

Just generally goofing around and not do extreme contents

[coarse heron]

a lot of us keep 1 of every ship, plus a lot of very terrible ships have very good fleet tech

[barren tapir]

but yeah use who you like in any non-difficult content

[barren tapir]

tbf, the monitors have a low oil niche

[grizzled sundial]

What role is fancy , i am using her but can't determine what she good at

[coarse heron]

like getting Carrier reload tech involves getting a lot of extremely shitty ships up to 120

[barren tapir]

i have a 0lb erebus and common dd squad for specific things...

meanwhile dolphin has no use case

[grizzled sundial]

She help with anti submarine warfare , a bit

[barren tapir]

main tank

[grizzled sundial]

I dun trust that shield , normal boss at equavilent level just break it in 1 hit .

[coarse heron]

fuck I forgot how bad the CV reload tech ships are no wonder I keep putting it off

[barren tapir]

she has anywhere from 117% to 146% ehp, she is very good as long as the enemy dmg does not slant heavily towards aviation

i forgot the exact configurations 146 is sail + beaver + fruit tho i remember that much. 125ish for sail + fruit + roundshot (ammo bonus), and about 133 for sail + fruit + toolkit?

[barren tapir]

[mellow cape]

What does syncing do for a meta ship?

[grizzled sundial]

Just a buzz word

[barren tapir]

with full defensive setup she is only 5-10% behind anchorage/anchorage fs5

[wind hazel]

it's basically development like in shipyard. sync to 100% and you will unlock a META ship

[barren tapir]

probably does more dmg (vs light) but lacks the vanguard support i guess (smoke)

[mellow cape]

Oh so if I have it unlocked, syncing doesn't do anything right?

[barren tapir]

either way, a very solid ship but highly expensive to equip (due to core data requirements)

[wind hazel]

you can unlock more rewards

should at least aim to at least the last crystal fragment at 25k point

[grizzled sundial]

No , you gonna need to keep grinding , especially for extra copy / crystal to Max limit break her

[wind hazel]

or whatever it is called 😂 something

[barren tapir]

meta crystal i think but close enough

[grizzled sundial]

Also you gonna need the material to strengthen her

[barren tapir]

opsi ports have a lot of those

[wind hazel]

no, the ship's fragment

[barren tapir]

plus the cruise pass and sync rewards

[mellow cape]

Got ittt, Im getting used to meta ships loll.

[barren tapir]

that's meta crystal

[grizzled sundial]

If you have time , you should grind , no need to stuck with 1 option .

[wind hazel]

yeah idk what they are called

[barren tapir]

material to strengthen is rigging fortification, like supercavity whatevers

basically equivalent of enhancing

also my biased take is nagato meta is really gud for a gold bb her barrage is insane

[cinder hornet]

I've just now realised... that the stages on the event give bonous once... I've been grinding the same location again and again 😅 a couple of questions

• does this reset daily?
• and if that's the case, should I farm the event outside of this bonus? or just wait till tomorrow?

[barren tapir]

she gets mvp surprisingly often while not being mlbed and lower level to uni/indep

[wary timber]

im assuming Chen Hai sucks big time

[barren tapir]

sadly yes

[grizzled sundial]

Grind D3 for a chance to get Wakatsuki , grind other map 1 time to get daily bonus

[barren tapir]

also do sp every day i got wakatsuki from there

[cinder hornet]

can't grind D3 sadly

[grizzled sundial]

B3 can drop too i think ?

[wind hazel]

yes

[grizzled sundial]

Or is it C3 ? can't remember the name , just flip normal mode .

[barren tapir]

ok then do whatever you can, both 3x and 5x once a day, then d1 > c2 (1:1) > b3 (low oil) > b1 (low oil) whatever you can

[wind hazel]

but if you're full fleeting best to just grind D1 or D2 if you can't D3

[cinder hornet]

I can't get pass C3 cos I don't meet the requirements to attempt it

[grizzled sundial]

which is ?

[barren tapir]

most likely level requirement- nvm

[wind hazel]

add more DD

[barren tapir]

dont suppose you have any levelled ijn dds?

[cinder hornet]

I don't have second fleet yet

[barren tapir]

suzunami is cute and a good torp padder

[grizzled sundial]

Well , not like everyone on equal footing , some just join recently .

[wind hazel]

just grind on c2 then

[barren tapir]

c2 1:1 uni + starter can solo the whole thing if levels/gear is decent, other fleet can crossfleet if any or provide air supremacy

[wind hazel]

doubt they can do that

[barren tapir]

if not capable yet then 1:1 the mob and full fleet boss or whatever you require

[cinder hornet]

this is my main fleet

[storm heron]

you get 44250 points by just doing daily clear and doing daily missions

[grizzled sundial]

Suggestion for low oil cost D3 ?

[barren tapir]

nvm no retrofits, forget about 1:1ing

[wary timber]

btw is Daisen gun good on Musashi or no

[wind hazel]

nevada+ddg works, 22 oil

or something, i forgot if 22

[barren tapir]

21 oil i think

[wind hazel]

ye 21

[barren tapir]

tbh u might be better off 1:1ing b3 that shud be doable (and then 2nd fleet on boss)

b3 would be great so long as you end up dropping at least 1 wakatsuki compared to c2

[storm heron]

might be worth for you just daily clearing, and instead of getting bps or cogs, you just use the points to get musashi gun, wakatsuki, oil and coins

[barren tapir]

even unretro uni and starter shud be able to do b3 i think

[wind hazel]

is that 44k including all D and SP?

[storm heron]

yes

[wind hazel]

he can't even do C3 so it's invalid

[storm heron]

half of that should be possible for new player

[grizzled sundial]

And pray you somehow get musashi .

[wind hazel]

but i see where you're coming from

[upbeat wagon]

What does 1:1ing mean

[barren tapir]

1 main 1 vg

[storm heron]

how much points do you have rn?

[wind hazel]

you can try unicorn+z23

[barren tapir]

also, A/B dailies arent really worth it unless you can 1:1 them or less

[cinder hornet]

21k

[upbeat wagon]

Where could i get t3 carrier retrofit bps aside from hard mode?

[storm heron]

that's a lot already, can you show the shop?

[barren tapir]

well you got the UR bulin the most important thing imo and enough for wakatsuki + gun so any more is a nice bonus

[grizzled sundial]

shop sometime may apppear

[coarse heron]

Hard Modes are the only reliable place to get them

[upbeat wagon]

Stage 6 needs 800 trp 😭

[frank pulsar]

sometimes guild shop and medal shop, medal shop is a little expensive though

[coarse heron]

that's not that much

[cinder hornet]

I only bought this and I Have 6900 points, just waiting to get enough for the unit

[barren tapir]

hard mode main method, guild shop rng, and medal shop (really expensive, dont buy here unless you already got monthly ships, gold bulins, spec core, and are desperate)

also 3 star hard mode ch3+ will give 2 golds as quest reward each

[upbeat wagon]

I only have Z23 invested tho

[barren tapir]

ur talking to an obviously new player who might not have the 3-4 mid level ships with trp needed

[storm heron]

21k you get wakatsuki and the gun, and then if you can clear up to c3 you can get about 3k daily #gameplay-help message

[barren tapir]

im so glad i got suzunami

[coarse heron]

yeah, level up some more DDs, it only gets way higher from there

[barren tapir]

they shouldnt bother with that until ch9+ just cope on lower hm for now

[wind hazel]

they shouldn't really

[storm heron]

so you can still get 27k in total

[barren tapir]

collab event is likely to have a very cheap oilcap stage which is great to level new ships in, judging by past collabs. so they can level dds there

[storm heron]

I will not suggest farming non oilcap in event just for something in shop like bps or cog chips

[upbeat wagon]

Is there any in current event

[barren tapir]

arrays r worth it long term imo

[coarse heron]

oil cap is only on D maps for regular events

[wind hazel]

just don't farm with full fleet...

[barren tapir]

also the oil pays for itself, so i'd at least farm for the 5k oil

[storm heron]

does the tradeoff of not picking arrays worth the non-oilcap

[barren tapir]

debatable but another event comes immediately after, they wont really have time to push campaign a lot even if they quit event now

[upbeat wagon]

Which dd should i invest in than

[barren tapir]

and unless they actually reach ch9 its not worth doing it right now imo, better save your resource for collab (final map is typically lvl80 enemies with 20/30 oilcap which is super good)

[upbeat wagon]

• stremitelny

[storm heron]

well what's your recommended target?

23k is already musashi gun, wakatsuki, build tickets. since 5k is oil and coins, they just need to grind 1000 more

[barren tapir]

if u mean like the shop? ship, equipment, oils, arrays would be my goto, oh and build tix i always forgot

[wind hazel]

kazagumo is nice

[coarse heron]

well don't do it right now (wait for collab event), but Laffey is a good choice since she just uses regular Bulins

[wind hazel]

but probably best to hold your gold bulin if you need it for backline

[barren tapir]

id raise z1 as well for ironblood tech (next event)

[storm heron]

z1, wakatsuki, kazagumo

[upbeat wagon]

I have 12 gold bulins

[barren tapir]

kazagumo is a fairly safe investment for bulins, she's still seen as a solid cv fleet supporter right?

[silk sphinx]

yes

[barren tapir]

would also greatly help with meeting torp reqs

[coarse heron]

hmm, true
I was hesitant to recommend he spend Purins on a vanguard ship so early

[barren tapir]

lower priority than z1 at least since more expensive, however kazagumo is a long-term good investment so it's fine to me

[upbeat wagon]

I have double the amount of gold bulins 😭

[wind hazel]

[upbeat wagon]

Compared to purple ones

[coarse heron]

weekly income of Purins is pretty low

[barren tapir]

wakatsuki is a solid enough dd in general if you want another one nothing special but shes solid enough

[upbeat wagon]

Would z1 be used lategame, i already have a z23

[barren tapir]

also helps with torp stat

[storm heron]

just aim for 38k. clear daily with as low oil as you can, clear up the wakatsuki, musashi gun, build tickets, oil, coins. You can aim higher if you need plates or tech box or anything, cause I assure you not getting cog chips once wont hurt you at all. Just remember that you can get 3k daily by clearing A to C and completing daily mission @cinder hornet

[wind hazel]

no, but she can be useful along the way

[barren tapir]

not unless you like funny german faction fleets

but youll want to raise her for tech points, since there's several great german research ships

and she's serviceable enough for the early-mid game and has nice trp stat

[upbeat wagon]

Ill invest kazagumo and z1 than

[pearl quarry]

Should I spend my oath ring? I currently have 2

[coarse heron]

That's what they're for.

[grizzled sundial]

Spend on whom is the real question....

[barren tapir]

do you have a ship you want to marry? if yes, go for it. if no, then save. they are given guaranteed only one free per year (w/ rare occasions sometimes giving one). keep this in mind

[pearl quarry]

I mean I have but they don't have oath skin

[upbeat wagon]

Was it on anni, if yes when

[barren tapir]

marry who you like most regardless of power or skin/lack thereof. just pick someone you wont regret, and if you don't have any yet, hold onto them

[barren tapir]

EN anni we get one yes, so mid august each year

[storm heron]

so true

[pearl quarry]

Btw if U don't mine me asking how many characters have oath skin like In total

[storm heron]

I don't know if anybody keep tabs on that

[tame jungle]

should be on wiki somewhere let me check

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Skins/Wedding

[pearl quarry]

The character I only know is Enterprise, prince Eugen (which I did oath her), unicorn and the elite ship who has radar scan+ z23

[storm heron]

damn yelena unknown

[mellow cape]

Is there a list of equips for atelier characters?

[pearl quarry]

In Ur opi who has the most beautiful oath skin for me it's prince Eugen

[storm heron]

the ship whose oath skin release the latest

[pearl quarry]

Which is?

[storm heron]

idk there are still a lot of ships with no oath skin, and early release means worse qual than a release on 2 years in the future

that's why I'm keeping my rings

till the EoS

[pearl quarry]

Me too

+I have no idea which one to use it for

[storm heron]

anyways lets continue this oath skin conversation in #al-general shall we

[whole crypt]

just buy more rings and oath everyone

[storm heron]

there are lots of skin enthusiast there

[velvet slate]

the oath bonus is nice but tbh unless you are extremely into min maxing and I MEAN extremely, you will be 100% be fine with just oathing who you like best

[pearl quarry]

I have 240 gem rn

[whole crypt]

all that matters is you like the ship/oath skin

[storm heron]

others opinion dont matter

[pearl quarry]

Fun fact no event character have oath skin

[whole crypt]

unless you're oathing for meta, which is just a bottomless pit

[storm heron]

for example imo prinz is kinda bad

[whole crypt]

I'm aware of that fact that collab ships don't get oath skins

[pearl quarry]

Like starcourage

Does Ur character have oath skin??

[leaden garden]

do the combat data collection also collect from operation siren

[velvet slate]

some UR characters do some dont

[storm heron]

the one starred literally rn has oath skin

[pearl quarry]

Like?

[whole crypt]

Yorktown and Bismarck, shared with their UR alts

[storm heron]

wait musashi has oath skin right

[barren tapir]

yes

[pearl quarry]

No I don't think so

[velvet slate]

yeh musashi also has oath skin

[leaden garden]

thanks

[whole crypt]

so does NJ

[storm heron]

or am I mandela effect with nj's and golden hind

[pearl quarry]

WHAT?

[storm heron]

oh nj also has one

[pearl quarry]

What makes Musashi good anyway

[barren tapir]

if you are f2p buy dock space and ignore rings

[whole crypt]

she does

[barren tapir]

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[pearl quarry]

I have 2 ring why should I buy it tho

[normal kayak]

is amagi(cv)/musashi/shinano a strong sakura main combo?

[pearl quarry]

Only in CN?

[whole crypt]

pic failed to post shrug

[storm heron]

dock space allows you to build harem

[pearl quarry]

W

[barren tapir]

if you are f2p all your gems go to dock space

[velvet slate]

musashi oath

[storm heron]

rings are worth 20 of em

[barren tapir]

30

[whole crypt]

strong damage, carries most campaign fleets, good in BB boss fleet

[pearl quarry]

Ok I have her btw

[barren tapir]

technically 24.5 if you only buy the 2 ring pack when it's there

[normal kayak]

i got her during the rerun and already max lb'd her

[pearl quarry]

Wait Musashi an old UR?

[normal kayak]

yeah 2 years old

[storm heron]

she is the strongest campaign BB

[whole crypt]

you can buy random shit even as a F2P, but you do it knowing you take a hit with QOL when you can't afford dorm and dock expansion

[barren tapir]

sep 2022 UR

[pearl quarry]

I didn't know

[normal kayak]

she came weeks before yorky 2

[south sequoia]

months

[storm heron]

oh yea I wonder on w14 who would rated higher musa vs fdg

[pearl quarry]

At least I have her lol

[whole crypt]

she came month before Yorktown II

[normal kayak]

yorky 2 was dec 2022

[south sequoia]

musa

[whole crypt]

yeh and Musashi was Sep

[normal kayak]

my first sr was patricia ableheim i still use her from time to time due to her death barrage

[south sequoia]

though

in my opinion

their gap isnt that big in w14

[normal kayak]

musashi rerunning now probably means she will be permenant by summer 2025, probably alongside yorktown ii

[south sequoia]

save the speculations for #al-general

[storm heron]

dang they are the same in w14 in the end game tier list

[barren tapir]

it's not a big deal to miss out on them since they archive within the next year right all my coob is needed for colab

[inner delta]

yes you can do that

[south sequoia]

the one thing musashi has on top of fdg in w14 is taunt + higher damage

[whole crypt]

I personally prefer FdG's barrage for 14 against suicide boats but Musashi just renders them completely irrelevant anyway

[south sequoia]

musa and fdg both have 30% dr right

[whole crypt]

archives are like a bit over a year after rerun but the last few UR archives have been rather early, so take what you will from that

[whole crypt]

only Shinano and NJ have been added together, there's no reason to expect Yorktown II archive to not be spaced out from Musashi

[mellow cape]

What are those pink things? Loll did my game bug

[whole crypt]

restart the game

[south sequoia]

yes

[whole crypt]

pink blobs usually memory issue

[mellow cape]

I seee ty

[storm heron]

this is how strong musashi is

nvm I'm late the person gone

[pearl quarry]

Hey dude

I have Musashi but I'm lvl 41 rn

[whole crypt]

she'll carry you all the way then

[barren tapir]

thanks

[pearl quarry]

But she's lvl 21

[storm heron]

cherish level 41, you close your eyes and then open them and you will be level 150

[pearl quarry]

And idk what to replace her

[whole crypt]

put her in dorm, give her XP packs, whatever, once she's up she'll stay up with MVP anyway

[pearl quarry]

🧢🧢

[normal kayak]

i think the typical rule is

initial run > 2 years > rerun > 6-12 months > war archive

[barren tapir]

don't you wanna reach 100 asap anyway

[normal kayak]

rarely they do a rerun after one year

[whole crypt]

the typical rule has always been a year or so after rerun for archive, until NJ

[storm heron]

I mean they have to sync it else the archive gonna have dispeoportionally few ships

[normal kayak]

it could be that "major events" are expedited compared to normal events

[whole crypt]

NJ was added a bit early to be added alongside Shinano, all subsequent UR archives have been on shorter timeframes than normal, regular events are still at around 1 year

[normal kayak]

though how quickly was NJ rerun to war archive in terms of timeframe

[whole crypt]

and now Operation Covergence is late because they swapped order to archive Musashi first

[normal kayak]

was it like 6 months?

[whole crypt]

roughly

[storm heron]

is CO SP or raid?

[velvet slate]

operation covergence? mind giving a few details on that?

[normal kayak]

so very likely musashi will be a spring/early summer release, then yorktown ii ends summer based on the trend

[whole crypt]

Shimakaze rerun was like November? then archive was in July

UvH rerun was like early this year then added a while back

[pearl quarry]

What do I replace Musashi withm

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Convergence EN anniversary 2022

[whole crypt]

why replace her

[barren tapir]

replace penn if you can mlb musashi

[normal kayak]

URs now seem to lean towards add never finished ships, famous classes (yamato/iowa class) or very odd classes (alaska class)