gameplay-help

[fiery raptor]

lol bearn

[barren tapir]

the push to w9+ should wait anyway, until after collab event (these few week would be great to level the relevant ships, also)

[onyx chasm]

Ok

[viscid swift]

with how much difficulty though

[onyx chasm]

I'm just gonna focus of event so is this the team i wanna use for that or do I just keep using my current team?

[barren tapir]

rn u got this event and immediately after collab event, and it's usually better to focus on event

granted, this will gimp your core data income for a while...

[viscid swift]

because I've seen a lot of at least ship wise better 2 fleet set ups utterly fail even at W12 for one reason or another

[onyx chasm]

Haven't even been playing all that much until now so it barely affects me rn

[viscid swift]

you'd want to be able to farm at least D1 so adjust the fleet to meet the requirements and yeah

[barren tapir]

i think this is more if you actually know what you're doing with things...versus a brand new player

[sweet delta]

11-3

[onyx chasm]

Wdym by that

[barren tapir]

d1 event map. event hard mode has fleet requirements

[viscid swift]

the stat and hull type requirements

[onyx chasm]

Oh i see, thank you

[spring bolt]

tbh that's caused by the nature of 2 fleets, you need double exp, and doubled gears

[viscid swift]

the fleets were not horrendously underleveled nor any main gear slots running not even poverty gear either

[viscid swift]

and for hard mode, you still have to be able to meet level requirements and if you're focusing all the effort on one fleet chances are the stat padders are gonna be low level and may prevent you from doing the mode

[mellow cape]

When I'm looking at this, to know if it's good against medium armor is there a range I'm supposed to look at?

[sweet delta]

light - medium - heavy percentage multiplier

[mellow cape]

Oooooh tyty

I always followed builds so I guess knowing what to look for is helpful now

[sweet delta]

that works when you compare rockets to rockets, but keep in mind that bombs have large spread and can miss. So you can't directly compare the raw DMG number multiplied by Armor Mod.

[fresh briar]

Does nagato meta not good

[mellow cape]

Oh mmm what else would I look for then?

[soft raft]

"Good but better options exist" like pretty much every showdown META

[fresh briar]

I guess I will use it ( I didn't get the none meta)

[soft raft]

like having her regular version is any better lmao
at that rate I'd use someone else depending on who you have in your dock

[spring bolt]

getting to ch 12 faster is much more important than a few core data imo, and at ch 12 you will level low level ships much easier for hard mode
and one fleeting to ch 12 is tested with poverty gears, i can only assume the 2 fleets are packed with poor ships

[fresh briar]

My fleet can't survive on chapter 12 stupid

[eternal moth]

What's dying, mob or boss fleet?

[soft raft]

What does your fleet look like?
Post your dock in a thread if you need the help

[eternal moth]

And is it main or vanguard that's dying?

[fresh briar]

One sec

[viscid swift]

a few things we're getting mixed up over
I'm not arguing the hard mode for core data but the retrofit blueprints you'd gain from 3 starring stages and more efficient farming of event modes when they come around

as for the one fleet tests, do you by any chance have more info on the paremeters of the test

I fully believe that one fleeting to W12 is possible but I think for a new player even with a Musashi is gonna be hampered by the lack of gear and the out-of-ammo penalty on bosses stacked together so you'd either have to wait to get better gear than you'd normally need potentially for just a 2 fleet push or really over level

[fresh briar]

💀💀

[eternal moth]

NJ is useless without any LB

[barren tapir]

is the one fleet test assuming brand new player who is learning everything from the start, or a new account ran by an experienced veteran

[eternal moth]

You want a lot more carriers for interception, so drop NJ and the other BB for 2 more carriers

[soft raft]

Hoo boy that is scuffed

• 0LB NJ (And she's Flagship as well)
• Boss fleet has no main tank (Heck a shitty Elite META is being tank)
• Amagi CV is one LB short
• Warspite retrofit sucks
• There's really no AA Carry in either fleet

[fresh briar]

That's why my fleet suck also I didn't retrofit warspite

[eternal moth]

Non-retro Warspite is like, Tier N

[barren tapir]

many non mlb ship and no boss tank

[fresh briar]

I'll just use Ur bulins to Nj

[eternal moth]

I'd use them on Amagi first

[viscid swift]

how many bullins do you have?

[eternal moth]

She's actually going to be useful for a while

[soft raft]

Before you do that (besides you should finish MLB'ing Amagi), why dont you post your dock in a thread so we can give you a proper fleet?

[barren tapir]

you dont need aa carry for ch12 tho

[fresh briar]

3

[soft raft]

And just noticed that Shinano is simillarly not MLB

[viscid swift]

have you got the one from event milestones and the cruise pass yet

[barren tapir]

cvs and like one random cl per fleet is sufficient if even that

[fresh briar]

I guess I will do that

[soft raft]

Better to get into the practice of that now before he hits W13 tbh

[barren tapir]

bro shouldnt be thinking of w13 for a long time given the state of their fleets so it's rather moot

[fresh briar]

I have no idea because I just started that Fargo event thing

[eternal moth]

Finish Amagi and Shinano before starting on NJ. And if you have Musashi, she takes priority over NJ as well

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

I think he means that he started during Fargo event

[viscid swift]

How far are you on this

And this

[fresh briar]

Oh shoot I'm I forgot that

[barren tapir]

how much spec core also

[fresh briar]

I have currently 2 ur bulins and I can buy on spec core

I can buy 1*

[eternal moth]

Have you finished the rainbow bulin catchup as well?

[fresh briar]

Nope

I'm not gonna use the copy of Amagi Cv

[viscid swift]

you should

[eternal moth]

Why not?

[soft raft]

if you're trying to raise a duplicate UR, dont

Just dont

[viscid swift]

max limit break amagi with a bullin and dupe right now, Shinano with the other 2 bullins

[fresh briar]

Oh

[soft raft]

it's a complete waste of resources since UR Bullin income is pretty slow compared to the other rarity Bullins

[spring bolt]

https://www.bilibili.com/read/readlist/rl663217 the guy's full guide. it was aimed at 7 day to ch 12 with the purchase of level pack, but no need to buy it as no 7 day limit for actual players

about the gears, the logic doesn't add up... yes you will need to wait for decent gears but using 2 fleet simply means you need double that amount of gears. so when you can do that with 1 fleet, why 2?

[fresh briar]

Ight I'll do that but I'm broke lool later but I'm going to go class

[viscid swift]

with 2 fleets you won't have to fight bosses without ammo so your gears need to do less work overall then

and thus levels and gear can be more forgiving with 2 fleets compared to if your one fleeting where because you have to deal with the out of ammo penalty on bosses and as you get further the less you can negate that with just levels

[mellow cape]

There's no way of getting an amagi cv ATM right?

[viscid swift]

correct

[soft raft]

correct
you will have to wait for her to rerun

Which wont be for a good while as she was this year's JP Anniv UR

[mellow cape]

:((( okay it'll probably be next year

[eternal moth]

Yeah, probably 2 years for the rerun

[soft raft]

nope not next year
at least 2 years later

[fresh briar]

Btw should I level up sandy

[soft raft]

eventually yes

[eternal moth]

YT2 into Implacable... that's some good eating

[fresh briar]

Luckily I had her so tomorrow I'll start

[viscid swift]

if they don't throw Operation Convergence in-between or something

[eternal moth]

They skipped the last 3-ship event and just added them to perma, they'll probably do the same with that one

[spring bolt]

imo to ready a second fleet with half decent gears that's still more time/oil consuming than gearing up 1 fleet

[mellow cape]

That's kinda painful... 2 years. Rip me for not me being active then

[viscid swift]

but accounting for levels as well though, I can't say I've done any calcs but I think that events the scores

[eternal moth]

It's never worth leveling 2 of a specific ship

[soft raft]

that was cuz it was a Raid event
Operation Convergence was more like a SP Format event and the last SP one on the list (Impero event) reran like a normal event would

[eternal moth]

Fair

[upper oxide]

Hello, I'm new to the game. Where can I see the best ships (meta)?

[viscid swift]

this right at the start catches my attention
"Let me explain the positioning of this thing. It only serves players who create their own accounts during new server activities. " By new server activities do they mean the limited event that drops when a new server is added? because if so I don't really think the advice of one fleeting to W12 applies as much then

[spring bolt]

best currently available ship for new player is in event pool, musashi

[spring bolt]

yeah, that event gives you a nagato, which is irrelavent now

[soft raft]

here's this you can read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

You can mostly ignore the meta for now (but try to get Musashi if you can) and just follow this guide, you wont be getting any shiny URs in a useable state anytime soon

[viscid swift]

yeah so if that's the basis of the idea of one fleeting to W12 then that really struggles to apply when that event is not active because of how overpowered that event was frankly and skews the experience so much because of how much less grinding for resources you have to do

[storm heron]

I started a lil E account a while back, even used the packs, and it felt that getting to w12 is very difficult despite the gear from the pack. I feel that pushing 1 fleet to w9, and then leveling there with oil cap is much better, especially also to stack up lecture halls exp pack along the way to help with the farming flow of w12

[sweet delta]

They've got core data, protocore, a massive amount of retrofit bps and research bps and bulins

[spring bolt]

that's when the first guide was made, the later 2 fixes those parts

[sweet delta]

You probably played quite suboptimally then

[pale wing]

By the way, i did split the fleet in two
One is the Main Fleet, the other is the Sec Fleet

[soft raft]

[viscid swift]

this also reminds me, CN's XP requirements per level are higher than EN's aren't they?

[spring bolt]

is it? idk
ship or cmdr?

[eternal moth]

Where's your Unicorn?

[pale wing]

I wanna put her to 2nd Fleet..

[eternal moth]

No, she goes in mob fleet

[storm heron]

wait CN exp is lower than EN

[boreal wagon]

from 70 to 100 for ships yes

[viscid swift]

yeah for ship XP it's higher for EN and JP below level 100

[sweet delta]

EN needs 12% more exp to reach level 100 ship

Truly a third world server

[spring bolt]

oh that, yes, CN requires less, EN followed JP, blame yostar

[eternal moth]

Is it lower requirements because of the limited play time CN is trying to enforce?

[vale spindle]

na the lower requirements were there from the very start

[spring bolt]

no it's just yostar thinks JP players should suffer more

[storm heron]

isn't the limited playtime only started like 3 years ago?

[viscid swift]

I don't know to be honest, I don't know Chinese to really be able to understand flow chart or the video so I can't really say if there's any potential flaws with it. Maybe there's something I'm missing but something doesn't seem to be adding up.

[vale spindle]

bilibili superior company frfr

[dreamy blade]

does akagi muse proc amagicv's 3rd skill?

[vale spindle]

akagi muse counts as ijn and a cv so yes

easiest way to double check faction requirements is to filter in your dock by that faction

[dreamy blade]

I mean for the 50% fast load

[storm heron]

iirc yes

[spring bolt]

let me start a new account in EN, and see how many days it takes me to get ch 12 with one fleet and what gears it takes

[viscid swift]

alright, I look forward to seeing the results

[vale spindle]

kaga gets satisfied with akagi muse, so unless its coded weird it should work with amagi cv as well

[cobalt rapids]

akagi muse counts as akagi for her 3rd skill so she procs amagi's cv akaga pair req

[dreamy blade]

Ah ok cool

[spring bolt]

im ok to whale but f2p sounds more practical, right?

[vale spindle]

sure

[viscid swift]

yes

also could you make note of any particular points of difficulty whether it be in actual combat or economically

[storm heron]

finally some hands-on research on newbie experience

[sweet delta]

Also do tirpitz > hood

[spring bolt]

sure
altho i hate writing diary

[viscid swift]

nah I don't need a diary, just some brief notes is fine

[spring bolt]

wut... i want to do musa one fleet ch 12

anyway, amagi and sandy are bb/cl in medal shop?

[upper oxide]

There is no clear information for newbies, all data is from 3 years +. Apparently old players do not want to attract newbies. I will do things on my account now, get upset and quit the game. It is better not to play right away. For now

[viscid swift]

yes

[viscid swift]

what?

[storm heron]

what?

[eternal moth]

/guide

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[eternal moth]

Sam's compendium is almost completely up to date

[viscid swift]

still waiting on that essay

[storm heron]

pr5 essay become more justified the closer we are to dr4 coining

[viscid swift]

some things may or may not change once we know the cost of the PR4 gear in the lab

but on principle the arguments should remain the same for either

[stark quiver]

what happened here

[sweet delta]

Help

[viscid swift]

I have no idea

[eternal moth]

Some troll probably

[storm heron]

say a newbie player can one fleet to 12-1, then what are they going to do next?

[sweet delta]

Swap in ships and level them

[storm heron]

so one fleet is mixed between low level and high level?

[spring bolt]

alright first thing i noticed: the real censorship isn't about ships, but illustrations

[fiery raptor]

the single clearing fleet should be well built by then
the swap-ins/ 2nd fleet should be reasonably developed (mlb) by books and dorm by then
the rest of the push to 12-4 is going to be a gear check aircrat/catapults aa guns more than finishing checks
by the time 13-1 should be a go, all ships are built and should have hellcats/seafires barracudas and bofors loadouts built

[ivory pawn]

Should I buy these things or nah? Not raising any META ships currently or in foreseeable future.

[sweet delta]

Nah

[storm heron]

so is the goal to keep the books for swap-ins?

[sweet delta]

Vouchers are a lot more important in your first month of opsi

[fiery raptor]

yeah, the single fleet would be getting exp one the way to 12, plus, they'd be working events when they turn up. the reserve ships are helped the most by pointing the books at them

only time the books go to fleet 1 is earliest on to push them to mlb levels

for the most part, once ships hit mlb they should be self sufficient and book exp directed elsewhere

[rare wyvern]

Is it worth to equip the quint mag torpedo (gold) on Mogador ? I got a reload of 23.82, which fits every other 12s stabby

[soft raft]

quad gold mag would be better

[sweet delta]

Depends on the enemy and if you don't have better torps

[rare wyvern]

I do have better, just wondering about the relevance of syncinc on stabs

[storm heron]

I think the books income is overestimated, and you wouldn't be pushing to w12 when you are gonna level in event

[rare wyvern]

To drop the torpedoes close up

[fiery raptor]

quints have bad damage which matters ore than syncing

[rare wyvern]

Also, can the quad 610 be worth the longer reload on manual generally ?

[fiery raptor]

i meant the 1 fleet is going to be getting the bulk of exp from sorties, not that they are sortieing to w12, i am aware that books are not easy to come by which is why they are aimed towards those who need it (the reserves in training)

[storm heron]

the only way that I haven't tried is by putting 3 reserves in levelling dorm while switching in and out the main 3 of 6 ships in the morale dorm

but otherwise I would see that one fleet to 12-1 is worst than waiting in 9-1 or event to level a second fleet to help pushing

mainly because of the books overhead to get 6 swap-in ships sufficiently levelled to be able to grind 12-1

welp the only way to prove this is honestly to just wait for dfgqsb

[fiery raptor]

from my experience, it should be reasonable to see the second fleet mlb'd well before 12, though they probably wouldn't be max skilled by then. Depending on the ship picks and gear box luck, I think you could try to sortie the 2nd fleet sooner, as early as somewhere in the mid-9 to early 10s

[rare wyvern]

Scepter or bow augment for CVs ?

[fiery raptor]

i default to scepter

[sweet delta]

scepter is the safer option when you don't know

[fiery raptor]

i used to do bow, not that i notice much of a difference

[storm heron]

scepter unless it's w13 or w15 and you are using cv with multiple planes to intercept

[dreamy blade]

just got my 3rd copy of warspite from the musashi banner is it ok to retire the extra copies since im not at the point of leveling ships for tech

[fiery raptor]

have you retro'd spite?

[dreamy blade]

no and dont plan to

[fiery raptor]

you could use her dupes as retro fodder too

[storm heron]

yeah, they are just gonna level up in 9-1 first, and then push to w12 should be way easier when the mob fleet can handle the first 2 fight to make the boss fight not out of ammo

[fiery raptor]

yeah that sounds reasonable

[storm heron]

so push to w12 with single fleet is not easy at all compared to just levelling 6 ships in w9 to get them to handle the first 2 or 3 fights so the boss fight is not out of ammo

[dreamy blade]

uni should easily carry some shitters for 2 fights

[storm heron]

that's just the push, for the farm though

[fiery raptor]

is there anything that needs farming in campaign aside from yuudachi?

[dreamy blade]

a lot of drop-only ships like honolulu akagi/kaga etc right?

[fiery raptor]

they gonna farm isuzu? i did use her in w13

[storm heron]

no I mean the oilcap farm, they are still gonna be farming in w9 or event anyways

[dreamy blade]

oh you mean for the w12 run

i dont think youd actually want to farm yuudachi and retrofit her anyway for this no

[fiery raptor]

i cleared w15....

I still don't have cv kaga, I wonder when I'll get around to farming for her

[rare wyvern]

Juneau retro with 500 AA lmao

[dreamy blade]

i actually have isuzu but i leveled juneau instead

[storm heron]

saying w12 is easy to newbies when one have been years in there farming

[fiery raptor]

yeh that was before juneau got her retro
👴

[dreamy blade]

well i say w12 is easy and i started a little over a month ago

[storm heron]

I edited "you" to "one"

[rare wyvern]

I have Izusu 123 for the sake of w13... now I got le Shimanto and retro Sandy instead

Although both Izusu and Juneau are solid as hell

[fiery raptor]

people who ask gph for fleetbuilding likely don't have their own initative to do the research to make 1 fleet w12 easy

[dreamy blade]

but i got traumatized by my first attempt at ch13 so now i have sandy retro and juneau both being leveled

[storm heron]

I would bet on that dfgsb test would need Musashi to one fleet 12-4

[dreamy blade]

oh to be fair i didnt get to w12 with only 1 fleet, i started using a mob fleet around w10 i think so i dunno how hard/easy that would be

[storm heron]

and hopefully dfgsb don't get her because I don't expect musashi to be dropped by a new player with no access to oilcap and having almost 0 cubes

[fiery raptor]

it can be done with non-limited golds (uni retro incl.) but said newbie would have to be aware of which gold ships would be ideal for that roster and not "whoever i have at the time".

also portland i guess she's not a gold but she'll do.

[fiery raptor]

that would be me but with NJ lmao. she didn't hit mlb until i was in 13-2

[dreamy blade]

getting to w12 was easy for me but i got amagi cv early and also read every guide i could find so had all the usual picks like portland/uni/sara/penn

[fiery raptor]

the original nj event*

imagine clearing w13 with shoho ryuhou because you didn't know better

[spring bolt]

i want to do new player reroll for musa

[storm heron]

oh no

so you're gonna start 6 accounts? and get cubes on them daily

[tame jungle]

No just 1 account on 6 servers

[spring bolt]

no i guess i will just go with tirpitz

[storm heron]

and then none of them drop musa then you won't test it?

[storm heron]

oh ok haha

[soft raft]

what does Musashi have to do with this

[fiery raptor]

is there a particular reason pitz is the pick?

[spring bolt]

if tirpitz can do it, musa surely can

[fiery raptor]

theorcrafty musashi will hard carry single fleet to w12 clear

[storm heron]

we are testing to prove that one fleet w12 is possible when using UR

[ocean fog]

goddamn, now i know why my game is choppy fast
i set my potato phone res to 2560×1440, making it wierd lmao

[spring bolt]

good aux gun and ib tech points

[storm heron]

which mean using tirpitz or lower should prove it

[dreamy blade]

am I blind or does interacting with this thing just do nothing

[sweet delta]

it's the same as using Recon

but it costs an item instead of 0 AP

[winged barn]

if you not raising one, dont buy

[dreamy blade]

ok so on hidden zones it actually does nothing since the map is already revealed

[whole crypt]

it does nothing if you used recon order or the hidden zone logger

[rare wyvern]

Also, what is the point of syncing CVs and BB salvoes aside fast as hell bosses ? I mean, I found shelling to be reliable generally, aside on really fast DD bosses

[dreamy blade]

so that they all benefit from each other's buffs and debuffs, and helena

[soft raft]

For BBs it's with Helena radar scan
For CVs it's with a slow/freez utility so Aimed TBs can actually land their torpedos instead of whiffing completely

Note that this is mainly for OpSi

[rare wyvern]

Ah yeah, also Haku has a 8s debuff for enemies with her on-fire skill

[dreamy blade]

just examples off the top of my head

[rare wyvern]

Fair enough, also, DBs over TBs when you got no slow ? Or just pray to god ?

[soft raft]

Parallel TB

[rare wyvern]

Yeah alright, thanks

When I reach the convenience of my emulator, I will post a thread for an Opsi fleet

[dreamy blade]

conversely for mobbing it's better to desync your main fleet from each other so that they each take out a wave instead of overkilling the same wave

[rare wyvern]

Now, Breguet or VT18 for my next core data acquisition...

[soft raft]

Breguet
It's basically poverty Wyvern

[still merlin]

is the rainbow la9 any good at anything. Worth putting on someone?

[rare wyvern]

Good, I am poor, maybe from crafting UR quint torps and a suspicious amount of Goldivers

[forest palm]

the Corsair is useless

[pale wing]

Guys, how's this gun?

[forest palm]

Gear lab

[soft raft]

it's a weaker Champagne Gun
Musashi's the only one that really uses it since her IJN Main gun rec locks her out from using Champy Gun (which is French)

[pale wing]

Uhh
I have Musashi btw

[forest palm]

I assume that's the only reason they were asking about it...

[pale wing]

Which one?

[forest palm]

the Triple 410

[pale wing]

The one i screenshot?

[forest palm]

mhm

[pale wing]

I was thinking on having THAT

[forest palm]

[storm heron]

[pale wing]

?

[soft raft]

to rephrase since I dont think my point got across
It's a weaker version of the French Triple 406 MLE (aka Triple 406/50 or"Champy gun")

And as such, it's only seen use these days on Musashi due to her IJN Main Gun req locking her out of using other faction's guns

[pale wing]

Imma try to get that for Musashi only than having to painfully grind for the 46cm/45 Type 94

[coarse heron]

aka "You need a maximum of 1, and you can just build it in the Gear Lab if you really need it."

[soft raft]

you should still go for the Triple 460 anyways
always better to buy event gear and not need it later than to skip it and then need it later, as unlikely as it may be for a good chunk of them

[soft raft]

Eh, Imo it's not really worth the gear lab mats

[pale wing]

Welp, time to get that Type 94 Naval Gun and Type 1 AP Shell

[finite crag]

always buy event gear, not wise to miss out on something so limited

[sweet delta]

then what do you suggest, doing pr7? using protocore? using 460?

[coarse heron]

god I hate having to spend 10k point on a gun I know is bunk but I also don't want to wait 2 years for another chance at getting it in case it's good on a ship that hasn't been made yet

[storm heron]

what else to spend 10k on

[tame jungle]

~~tech boxes obviously ~~

[rare wyvern]

I bought all I need, the DR blanks are expensive but they are kinda irreplacable, the PR blanks will go to AvP that I can pay

What to buy now ?

[coarse heron]

Cats

[forest palm]

making a Triple 410 from Gear Lab is such a none issue, and hardly a waste of mats

[coarse heron]

...that's it? That's the "waste of mats"? C'mon man

[finite crag]

arrays, tech boxes if you need them

[dreamy blade]

he bought arrays, but cog chips

[rare wyvern]

I have 22k light blue arrays, and I got the 120 ones

[coarse heron]

PR blanks (from this event) are probably best used on a PR5 ship if you don't have them all maxxed yet

[dreamy blade]

possibly purple plane plates

[rare wyvern]

My only PR developed (Chkalov) is FS5

[finite crag]

22k is nothing in the grand scheme of things get more

[soft raft]

then just like redeem them for another PR5 ship
like Harbin or whatever

[coarse heron]

Harbin is the best one to use them on, also you should develop Harbin

[soft raft]

why the fuck is the "Build [# of ships]" mission in Akashi's Fire sale pt 2 counting Exercises instead of builds?

[rare wyvern]

Rupprecht time ??

[soft raft]

harbin would have more use than Rupper

[rare wyvern]

Oh maybe Harbin then

[finite crag]

harbin more useful

[soft raft]

Rupper falls under the typical PR BB Curse of being a gold BB in a UR BB meta

[coarse heron]

imo Ruppy is only useful if you have literally no other BCs to use if you encounter a BC only HM requirement

but like, RepulseM exists so

[soft raft]

Hood

[gray sphinx]

any point in getting another 460mm gun? I remember that gun not being that useful right?

[rare wyvern]

I have Hood and Haruna 🥴

[coarse heron]

and Hood yeah

[finite crag]

just to have it

[coarse heron]

get another one just in case it becomes useful one day

[gray sphinx]

mahhhnnn

[soft raft]

Still get it yeah

[gray sphinx]

I gotta grind the whole shop in three days

[coarse heron]

skill issue for ignoring event

[gray sphinx]

just came back after a short break ;)

[dreamy blade]

have there been any other past event guns that werent useful until ships released later down the line

[tame jungle]

having a life is not optimal for your azur lane account

[gray sphinx]

guam gun??

[finite crag]

guam gun not useful!!!???

[rare wyvern]

I looked at Harbin like "ROC vanguards " then I remember I can retrogit them into DDGs !

[tame jungle]

slander

[soft raft]

that's the opposite
Guam gun was a clear cut direct upgrade for CBs

[sweet delta]

drek gun

[coarse heron]

but Drek gun was always good on The Rapper Drake

[gray sphinx]

no like they said until ships were released down the line and guam gun was useful the minute it released. That's what I'm saying

[tame jungle]

like the rapper??

[sweet delta]

but drake with drake gun was niche just like 460

[storm heron]

what was the gun that drake uses, ches gun?

[soft raft]

have there been any other past event guns that werent useful until ships released later down the line
He meant After the gun came out
And there were like 5 CBs before Guam came out

[coarse heron]

Drake gun usually

[soft raft]

her gun was basically a triple barrel version of Chesh gun

[coarse heron]

Ches gun if you don't have it

[storm heron]

:notshiro:

[sweet delta]

drake gun and now unzen gun

[coarse heron]

you just want a gun with high raw DPS for Drake, since she does ammo change

[soft raft]

*that is HE or Normal ammo
The ammo change doesnt work for AP

[coarse heron]

oh right

[storm heron]

:glowwow:

I'll keep note on it when I find a use case for drake

[coarse heron]

she tanks W15 for me, for the moment

[finite crag]

secretary

[coarse heron]

that requires Golden Hind skin though

[finite crag]

ok

[rare wyvern]

Formidable is overall not great right ? Because of loadout needs and only 80% chances for her slow ?

Not great as in "Just use Implacable lol"

[ivory pawn]

No reason not to craft whatever upgrades I can with purple mats in Gear Lab, right? It's just the gold mats that need to be prioritized.

[tame jungle]

after a month or 2 purple mats kinda stop being an issue yeah

[storm heron]

formidable was good right?

[soft raft]

her slow/freeze is also just shit

[ivory pawn]

Tbh, it doesn't really feel like its even going to take a month at this rate. Ty.

[stark quiver]

for slow
its
implac > avp > ark royal

[tame jungle]

formidable is TEX for secretary duties only

[rare wyvern]

AvP is underway, I might look at Ark Royal

[gray sphinx]

eldridge has a slow too doesn't she?

[coarse heron]

Ark Royal has higher damage potential if you just need a slow

and not an outright "za warudo" from DIO

[rare wyvern]

I don't have the retrofit item

[gray sphinx]

OOF

[rare wyvern]

Za warudo is what I need

[storm heron]

doesn't formi has a za warudo

[coarse heron]

If it's not 100% it's useless

[pale wing]

I'm still halfway just to get the 46cm/45 Type 94

[storm heron]

wait nvm why is formi's not 100%

[rare wyvern]

Sad innit ? So now she just sits at 125 in my dock

[gray sphinx]

cause she's an outdated ship :)

[rare wyvern]

I feel sad at the maxed ships I own that are just not keeping up

[finite crag]

thats why you choose good ships to 125

[rare wyvern]

Well now I do, mind you

[storm heron]

what do people use back then if avp is 75%, formi is 80%, and ark royal is 100% but only slow?

[coarse heron]

Ark Royal

a guaranteed slow means at least some of the torps will hit

also Ark Royal can sometimes randomly out-damage Shinano because of Assault Carrier

[pale wing]

Yep.
Halfway to 46cm/45 Type 94

[soft raft]

#al-general for blogging

[storm heron]

yeah though that chance of one proc is lower than 3 owaridas

[tame jungle]

you just don't believe enough

[coarse heron]

Heart of the Cards, motherfucka

[rare wyvern]

Is Ibuki relevant enough for later content ?

[soft raft]

No lol
even with her unique aug

[storm heron]

~~ the word believe reminds me of something, theoretically I can beat suchiguma's 22s strength eventually if I just build a robot to register ranger~~

[rare wyvern]

Poor PR1s

[soft raft]

They're like 6 years old at this point so you really shouldnt be surprised tbh

Only Izumo's has managed to make her more relevant but even then, not relevant enough to make her worth it for most new players

[rare wyvern]

I used Neptune, Kitakaze and Ibuki for a while is all

[spring bolt]

ibuki is tho, for opsi fast farming, the aug gives her even higher burst damage than unzen

[rare wyvern]

Funnily enough I never bothered for Roon

[stark quiver]

ranger has the highest damage potential in game

[gray sphinx]

It’s okay pretty sure her mu counterpart is better and basically spat in her face

Unless I was misinformed awhile back

[soft raft]

On paper yes
but realistically she's not worth the cost when Anchorage and the CBs exist

her high core data cost does her no favors

[gray sphinx]

Poor roon

[rare wyvern]

I got Azuma, Ancho, Brest, Agir, tanking works!

[coarse heron]

Roon Muse was the better Roon back when she didn't cost Core Data and you could just pull her from her event
Now that she's a core data ship there's no reason to ever buy her except Collection %

[storm heron]

wait she contributes to collection%

[coarse heron]

At least most of the other core data ships give fleet tech
She doesn't even give that so it's pure down sides

[coarse heron]

I'm 75% certain she does, since she's not a collab ship

[zealous cave]

is mainz fine for opsi mob tank

[coarse heron]

Realistically, any tank ship can tank OpSi Mobbing

even Portland can OpSi Mob tank

[soft raft]

After FS5 maybe
but even then i'd prob just end up having her off tank

[zealous cave]

ah ok

[frank pulsar]

i used yuudachi tank for the longest time
your mainz should be mostly fine, might need to manually pick nodes in strongholds though

[coarse heron]

If you want to auto-search Strongholds, you'll need a stronger tank like Anchovy

[rare wyvern]

Autoing smh smh

[coarse heron]

if you leave all your strongholds until the last day of the month like I did in October you need to auto them

[storm heron]

that's only 33 battles without auto though

[rare wyvern]

The random ass ships are... worth...? Oh.

I just try to rush the bosses

[coarse heron]

if I'm doing Strongholds on my desktop it's physically painful to scroll around the map of most Strongholds

because then my main enemy I'm fighting is the lag beast

[storm heron]

idk, iirc the random shops is not worth anything, the main point of autoing strongholds is just to one-click it, and then do other more productive task and not needing to pay attention since you are sure your ships will bully them

[storm heron]

Same I can't click too much since I used like 5 fps

[rare wyvern]

I like using small mobs to remove (most) of the toll of war when I get out-timed on the final node

[coarse heron]

random mob nodes inside Stronghold give a nominal amount of loot, but the typical mob node amount

the real problem is having to watch autosearch to make sure it doesn't get stuck inside a fog bank

cause this can and will happen:

goes into fog bank
can't see any enemies around
okay guess we're done
turns off auto-search

[rare wyvern]

Or go into EVERY SINGLE ANOMALY NODE

Every flame, every slow

[storm heron]

idk how they implement it, but it should've not take this long to fix the fog

[coarse heron]

that's the punishment for using auto-search, imo
if you want it to be efficient, you do it yourself

[storm heron]

I have a theory that they are working on something big and therefore some old bugs like that are lower prio

[spring bolt]

well something big is manjuu's new game, which is already announced

[finite crag]

what new game

[rare wyvern]

Oh even just moving three tiles, between the safe path and the fire, it has consistently chosen the fire lmao

[spring bolt]

https://azurpromilia.manjuu.com/home/?utm_source=pgcpsh
it's off topic so i will stop here

[soft raft]

I mean the AI just goes for the most direct path, hazards be dammed

[rare wyvern]

Yeah but both were three tiles away, like no shortcut, just ourtright worse alternative, and sometimes I want to not be bothered to tap twice

[storm heron]

hazards?

[finite crag]

sounds like a non issue, those hazards barely do anything

[storm heron]

huh hazards sounds familiar

[coarse heron]

Also need to remember the auto-search algorithim has no "memory"

[rare merlin]

Are there any special packs that are currently worth getting from the shop?

[spring bolt]

no not really
lucky bag if you like skin rng, otherwise double gem has better value

[stark quiver]

99 cent usd for 200 gems sound really good

[sharp socket]

the black friday $1 for 200 gems is the best value, and the rest is meh

[coarse heron]

the rest are just "bonus item with 60 gems"

[storm heron]

does it come with saratoga?

[coarse heron]

if it's your first ever purchase, yes

[bold stream]

Hello all. Is this sakura gold planes any good? They carry very few bombs. What planes should I take note of?

[sweet delta]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[fallow sedge]

What's the best map to farm event currency

[bold stream]

Thanks

So we generally dont use auto reloader on late game for BBs?

[rare wyvern]

Raw FP might out-perform the reload buff

[stark quiver]

it truly depends on what youre doing

[bold stream]

I see! So barrage dmg also scales with FP. Thanks

[rare wyvern]

Off flag Ulrich with 457 and double auto loader... I'll be right back.

[stark quiver]

It can be faster

[bold stream]

I use my shiny event ur bb gun on ulrich

[elfin hollow]

is it still worth using gold gear that's not best in slot for ships

[stark quiver]

Depends what it is
And what ship it is

[rare wyvern]

How much faster can I make this

[stark quiver]

Triple 283 the purple one

[weary quartz]

After 2 year break im back what auto team i can do with that i dont know what is the meta now. Thanks

[viscid swift]

it's only used in very niche circumstances

and honestley not at all now that we have the Flandre and Soyuz guns

is the triple 283mm actually faster than just not equipping a gun at all

[bold stream]

Thanks. I am looking for equipments to +8 for the quest.. looks like autoreloader is not it.

[viscid swift]

well a team for what exactly

first things first though would be to retrofit Unicorn

[weary quartz]

Pve like event and chapter

[viscid swift]

well which chapter of the main campaign

[stark quiver]

Between now and next UR how much UR bulins can I get, I hit the spec core limit and event one already

[weary quartz]

Unicorn have retrofit now?

[viscid swift]

yes

[weary quartz]

Ok thanks

[viscid swift]

if you bought the cruise pass at least 2

maybe more depending on how much prototype cores you have currently

[stark quiver]

Hm, I’m deciding if I wanna mlb ultimate ulrich, I have 2 urins in dock and 11k spec core

[storm heron]

wait buying cruise pass gets you 2?

[weary quartz]

@viscid swift im back because to love ru collab and my 2 azur lane figure i got xd

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't to be honest

[stark quiver]

Faster progression

[storm heron]

Oh I thought I can get more UR bulins with cp

[stark quiver]

No

[stark quiver]

I guess I’ll just use the perma pity

[viscid swift]

for the event maps uh
Mob: Hood, Unicorn, San Diego
Boss: Warspite, Shinano, Enterprise, Belfast, Helena
for the initial clear

afterwards just 6 ships you need levels in in D3 once it's safe

also a new type of equipment got introduced while you were away, some ships get unique ones and some of them give quite sizable buffs like Hood's Kawakaze's, San Diego's and Izumo's

[weary quartz]

Thanks 🙂

How i get them

[viscid swift]

you craft them, though some of the materials are pretty time gated

[weary quartz]

Good

[viscid swift]

you can get the materials in the event shop plus there's a new daily raid that drops mats for them

among many many other changes

let me get you a cliff notes version of what's changed

[fresh briar]

Does my fleet need something to change

[stark quiver]

It needs a battleship
And idk what stage you’re doing

[viscid swift]

this is without of course even delving into the events

[spring bolt]

sad news is, even with a good aug, hood dps is still behind old school warkai

[soft raft]

Slander

[viscid swift]

really? huh, that's an interesting tidbit

[fresh briar]

Stage 12

[viscid swift]

that is very much dead then

[fresh briar]

I'm currently targeting

[soft raft]

you can afford to have a BB in mob for W12
the plane pressure isnt that high compared to W13

[spring bolt]

no bb ch 12 is fine

[coarse heron]

I used a BB in mob in W13 was I not supposed to do that

[fresh briar]

This is all of my battleship currently I got any recommendations

[storm heron]

sounds like next october gonna be lit

[stark quiver]

Wait a second

[stark quiver]

Is that a lvl 13 roon

[soft raft]

if you didnt really know what you were doing, yeah

[fresh briar]

Don't mind it just don't mind it

I was going to leve up her later

[soft raft]

Where did your portland go

[fresh briar]

Any recommendations guys for 12

[storm heron]

Is there a research about that before? about 3 cvs in w13 mob better

[weary quartz]

@viscid swift ok good to know thanks for your help 🙂

[viscid swift]

you can, it's just much less of a hassle to use 3 CVs

[storm heron]

I only heard about it but never actually know the reason why 3CVs is better than 1 bb 2 cvs

[fresh briar]

Any of you guys help me or any suggestions for chapter 12

[stark quiver]

Just use Portland

[viscid swift]

more ACV, more fighters, no suicide boats in W13

that's the gist of it

[zealous cave]

fill me in but what's a "watarase"

[stark quiver]

It’s a ship?

Light cruiser

[zealous cave]

when was she released

[soft raft]

Amagi CV event (This September)

[zealous cave]

oh

ohhhh taht's why there's an amagi cv

[spring bolt]

the thing is, using top tier bb as flag gives you better experience, namely fdg musa bz and a few gold ones, but lower tier bb doesn't give you that and you'd better go with a cvl or something like that

[coarse heron]

yeah she's also the strongest CV Manjuu ever made

[stark quiver]

the strongest cv technically is ranger

[spring bolt]

luck stat check irl

[coarse heron]

if you get too lucky the game crashes from 90 planes on screen at once

[soft raft]

"Keep gambling!"
"Aw Dangit!"

[sweet delta]

technically ranger is a cvl

[coarse heron]

...huh, so she is

[storm heron]

I thought bb was better due to more durable, not affected by the AA ship, and staggered damage

[stark quiver]

CV(L)

[spring bolt]

yeah, but lower tier bbs might lack one of those, or staggered damage but kills nothing

[coarse heron]

the huge problem on W13 is crash damage from enemy planes, not main fleet DPS

well that was the problem I had

[stark quiver]

no dps = longer battle = more damage taken

[spring bolt]

you are probably missing strong aa ships
i mean, there is a reason that taihou's nickname is ATM, ch 13 is easy now

[coarse heron]

I used the BB in W13 mob fleet to snipe repair ships mainly

[coarse heron]

well I cleared W13 in 2020 I don't remember the ships I used but it was pretty cursed

[zealous cave]

when do y'all usually buy more dock space to make farming easier so you don't have to check the game to recycle ships

[coarse heron]

when my permanent collection comes to within 100 slots of my available dock space

[dreamy blade]

never a bad time to buy more dock space

[spring bolt]

ch 13 in 2020 is already ok, back in 2019 it was like hell

[zealous cave]

bruh mine is 6 💀

[storm heron]

same as this but 240 slots

[zealous cave]

where y'all getting these gems from

[coarse heron]

with money

[viscid swift]

Be old

[coarse heron]

oh I need to buy more space soon

[storm heron]

be old more like ancient

[zealous cave]

bruh i have 6 spare dock slots 💀 have i been living in poverty all this time

[coarse heron]

sometimes I forget that a lot of teenagers play this game

[soft raft]

Wut

[coarse heron]

you should have been using the extremely limited free supply of gems the game gives you on dock space

[spring bolt]

be... fossil

[zealous cave]

i have 1.9k gems 😭

[coarse heron]

okay use those on dock space then

that's what, 80 slots

[wind hazel]

90

[coarse heron]

I am very good at math

[wind hazel]

i am good at meth

[storm heron]

is that why you are wearing an orange cap

[obsidian ivy]

Is azuma supposed to be really tofu as a CB?

[viscid swift]

uh I presume you mean something other than tofu

[coarse heron]

Azuma was a lot better when no other CBs existed

[obsidian ivy]

Squishy

[soft raft]

she's still gonna be bulkier than the majority of CAs but when you compare her to her fellow CBs then yes she's on the lower end

Of course we dont know if your Azuma is in a pre-D30 state or is being used at a lvl disadvantadge where she would indeed be noticably more squishy as well

[forest palm]

not even Squishy lol

[obsidian ivy]

Well she's the only CB left, everyone else is maxed

[wind hazel]

♿ just don't use her

[storm heron]

she's relatively a bit tofu but not to the "really tofu" point

[forest palm]

also Drake existed as well, and Azuma struggled for a while without Fate Sim so you were HE locked which didn't help her

[spring bolt]

is this a day 1 new player surprise bug or something?

[viscid swift]

uhhh, I have no idea

[wind hazel]

i see that sometimes lol, usually because of desync

[storm heron]

Ah that one, yes I encountered it once

idk why though

[wind hazel]

make it a habit to logout during daily reset

[spring bolt]

i... just start this account a few hours ago...

[storm heron]

else old comission is gonna stay, daily cog chips will not be available (patched)

[wind hazel]

report as bug then

[sweet delta]

now you know why 7 day chapter 12 is infeasible

[spring bolt]

thanks to yostar

[soft raft]

Smol indie studio pls understand

[storm heron]

unlocks anchorage, cheshire, georgia, roon

[viscid swift]

no smol indi publisher

if you were really gonna whale those wouldn't be my picks

[storm heron]

what will be the picks?

[viscid swift]

Izumo, Kitakaze, Cheshire, AvP

[sweet delta]

level 70

i would not whale cheshire as a new player

since she is a portland sidegrade until chapter 12

[storm heron]

what will be the picks?

[viscid swift]

yeah that was pretty much the intention

I should say that the intention is kind of to ignore the rookie missions with this at least early on

[sweet delta]

i eagerly await a full guide by cheeky for whaling strategies for several budget levels

[viscid swift]

the irony of a whaling guide written by a f2p, what could possibly go wrong

[soft raft]

lol

[forest palm]

forgot that PR4 selector is very much a possbility at this point

easy Anchor

[stark quiver]

whaling strat?
use 💳
get
do w/e

[midnight holly]

Guys, so the To love ru Collab characters were announced. How long more after the 20th (end of curunt banner) will it be until they get in game? Is there a one day buffer or more than a day?

[ivory pawn]

Get Akashi? Got it.

[sweet delta]

like an 8 hour buffer

[midnight holly]

Oh really? So basically instantly after 20th?

[forest palm]

84 hrs 39 mins if maint doesn't go wrong

[midnight holly]

Oh so 3 - 4 days?

Aight, I expected as much. Like a time where we login and see the Enterprise screen for a bit

[finite crag]

from now?

[midnight holly]

Yea 3,5 days says my calculator

[midnight holly]

No from the 20th probably

[finite crag]

from now

[forest palm]

I basically just asked how long from now till 10 am Thursday EST (estimated maint)

[midnight holly]

Oh wait from now?

[finite crag]

he was asking about how long after this current event ends

[finite crag]

from now

[midnight holly]

Yea, LMAO

[wind hazel]

expect to see Lala by <t:1732201200:f>

[midnight holly]

I'm expecting to see Yami 😍

Imma oath the heck out of her 💍💍💍

[forest palm]

#al-general there's a place for this kind of talk

[weary quartz]

How i get this???

[soft raft]

also we know who's coming out already
(see the pin in #tlr-collab-livestream-discussion )

[midnight holly]

Don't we have that in Twitter (X)?

Along with skins 😝

[wind hazel]

tactical training in daily raids, event, core data monthly, think i'm missing a few more but that's the gist of it

[midnight holly]

Battle pass?

[wind hazel]

yea cruise pass too

[weary quartz]

Good

[soft raft]

well there's a decent amount of time between the livestream and the announcement posts coming out

Also having the channel there is convient for those who dont want to go onto social media or dont use it

[midnight holly]

I see, thanks bro

[copper ermine]

how good is Richelieu if i dont end up pulling the ur ship?

[warm pivot]

what's a good substitute for Kazagumo for my CV fleet in opsi??

[soft raft]

Fairly decent
but depending on your options, may not really be worth prioritizing

[hushed dawn]

So out of all the new Tempesta ships, which ones are serviceable?

[soft raft]

In terms of other Air Raid Assistance ships, Stephen Potter and Ariake are the more common ones

in terms of other CV Buffers in general, Sirius

[soft raft]

All of them are realistically bench fodder
Iirc Fancy and Amnity are the less shit out of them but Frigates are still a mostly garbage hull group

[hushed dawn]

How about Ganj-I-Sawai?

Same problems as Sao Martinho I'd assume.

[soft raft]

I dont really recall much discussion about her
So take that as you will

[fiery raptor]

she was my mob flagship during my original lethal clear of w14 all the way through -4 she is a solid ship

[soft raft]

(Tho ideally you shouldnt be using her by that point)

[fiery raptor]

i was impatient that fdg was taking too long. I wasn't expecting much but Richelieu managed to pull through. Granted this is before FDG coinable, so yes Fred is much more readily available nowadays

have there been any SR (Gold) Batlleships that have successfully run w15 or is that role exclusively UR territory right now?

[viscid swift]

you could use an SR BB but predictably a UR will be better

[fiery raptor]

i presume Marco and Indiana would be safe picks? VV to go with Napoli i suppose could be another option. I wonder if Howe and Clem would cut it, I've never run them in campaign. I suppose I'll just have to try.

[viscid swift]

nah

you'd be looking more at the likes of Owari, Izumi, Daisen, Flandre, etc

[fiery raptor]

I've never had a reason to research Flan. So I guess that's one reason to go back for her now.

[viscid swift]

Marco's RNG barrage is starting to show it's age, VV I'm not convinced even buffing some good Italian ships and Indiana well

[sweet delta]

I used Rodney meta a lot for testing ships. But I have high tech so not necessarily applicable to most players

Marco just sucks in 15 and might even be questionable in 14
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[copper dragon]

Is j-class crown worth it for jav or jerv?

[viscid swift]

to use yes, to get eh depends on if you got all the important stuff or not

[soft raft]

it's nice
but imo it's not really gonna make a diff where it matters

[vale cradle]

Does this game have a website thats kinda like, “the hub”, where you can search up any ship and see their abilities or even guides on how to use them or build them

[viscid swift]

the first half of that is the wiki

a how to use them doesn't really exits

[soft raft]

The second half is mostly asking in this channel

[vale cradle]

oh ok

[viscid swift]

and there's a gear guide in #bot-spam /equip

[vale cradle]

ok then

[fiery raptor]

what's the link to the sam imgur that's pretty handy

[sweet delta]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[fiery raptor]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/samvaluation

this one is for the boats themselves

[sweet delta]

Great

[storm heron]

[dreamy cairn]

Does Tashkents Augment make her better than she was by a big enough margin to make her better than other ships?

[sweet delta]

yes she is better than more ships than before. But still worse than DDGs at everything except activating Nakhimov

[copper dragon]

whats makes the uss rainbow 457mm gun better than the ijn rainbow 460mm gun?

[forest palm]

457 is fast, fires more salvos while hitting less does more over time, 460 is slow, fires less salvos while hitting hard, so a 460 won't catch up to a 457 within the constraints of in game timers, or the lengths of the fights

[atomic abyss]

significantly higher rof means you literally get one extra salvo off with the 457 during the average battle
which is more than enough to overtake the 460 in dmg

even if the individual damage is less

[forest palm]

there're circumstances where the 460 is useful, but that's far, and few in between, and the gun ends up becoming more of a tool that you use if you know what you're doing

[atomic abyss]

also smoother damage curve is preferred in campaign

[forest palm]

mhm, especially in world 14, and 15 where slower equipment can be a detriment

[analog bluff]

was worthith to do this?

[sweet delta]

Might want to ask those kinds of questions before doing it

[atomic abyss]

in the long run, yes
short run uh
might have been a waste of coins

[analog bluff]

i see

[bold stream]

Hello all. After I max formidable, which ssr should I go for? Is prinz hein better than prinz eugen?

[soft raft]

long run as in she is purely just RLD tech fodder

[analog bluff]

thx for telling me

[soft raft]

1. why are you raising Formidable
2. Yes Heinrich would be better

[dreamy cairn]

What would a realistic time guess of when Confluence of Nothingness would rerun?

[bold stream]

I dont have many ssr mains right now. she is carrying me at the moment..

[atomic abyss]

after CN anni in May 2025

[storm heron]

question looks familiar...

[soft raft]

What does your fleet even look like?
Also Higher rarity doesnt always mean better, especially for SRs

[dreamy cairn]

now i hope so i can max my U-556 meta

[atomic abyss]

i mean blaster

the only reason he is still using biscuit is cos he already had her mlb

[plain saffron]

You can buy her crystal in shop

[atomic abyss]

as for formi, i was pretty sure he was told to drop her

[soft raft]

[bold stream]

These are the ships I use.. I mean they are lvled

[atomic abyss]

saratoga is better

[storm heron]

back then they asked about formi as well

[atomic abyss]

and i remember specifically telling you that you dont need 2 fleets at this point

[bold stream]

Yea, i use saratoga as well.. but she has retrofit which eats uni retrofit materials

[atomic abyss]

because of the issue you're literally facing right now

saratoga without retro is better than formidable lol

[bold stream]

Is this true? I didnt feel it before...

[atomic abyss]

because you dont have her limit broken fully

and you probably dont have her geared right

[hollow gust]

formi is incredibly mid even when she released years ago

[soft raft]

well for one, she'd be a more worthwhile investment as Enty Lite
instead of Formidable being a janky joke of a slow/freeze utility support who can barely do her job

[atomic abyss]

and saratoga is much easier to get good gear for

[bold stream]

I will get enterprise as my newbie reward... I dont know how long to get there tho..

[eternal moth]

Yup. Fighter and 2 Helldivers and you're good.

[atomic abyss]

you shd still prio unicorn's retro yes, but drop formi for saratoga

send all the purple bulins her way

[eternal moth]

I'm pretty sure Sara was better than Formi even before Sara got her aug, and her augment is insane

[bold stream]

This is my current sara gears

[eternal moth]

Drop that garbo gold for another helldiver

[atomic abyss]

the 2nd plane is correct
give her that same plane to replace the gold

the only thing better than that purple dive bomber, is a rainbow one

[bold stream]

Okay thanks. I cant limit her at the moment because of 'issues' but I will get there

[eternal moth]

This is what you'll want before you get Tigercat/Flapjacks and tenrai

[bold stream]

I can almost do d1 on the event

[dreamy blade]

sandys augment barrage is bugged? how so?

[bold stream]

I needed the 2nd fleet for the event.. so.. yeah this happened.. my bad

[storm heron]

if rof too fast her barrage gone

got cut*

[dreamy blade]

how fast is too fast

[atomic abyss]

if her gun VT is too short (happens to be on fast rof guns), her aug barrage cannot fully fire

so stuff like the 100 kai are out

[soft raft]

That goofy ahh blue rarity 76mm AA Gun

[atomic abyss]

even 100 kai

as long as VT is equal or less than 0.15s, it'll mess up

[dreamy blade]

im using the twin100 type98 on her

[atomic abyss]

yeah that'll also fuck her augment barrage

[dreamy blade]

so only the twin 138.6 is good for her barrage?

[atomic abyss]

yes
ofc if you lack the twin 138, there are other alternatives

[atomic abyss]

unless you're able to stagger when the 2 gun mounts fire

which is possible, but good fucking luck on auto lmao

[sweet delta]

rainbow dd gun > gold dd gun ggez

[forest palm]

it so simple

[dreamy blade]

im glad to see watarase rated well on there shes put in some serious work for me

[eternal moth]

Oh hey, free gold bulin in mail for anyone that needed one right now

[opaque gate]

How does auto works in siren? is it possible to only auto with 1 fleet that has healer, and clear everything by itself, including meowfficers reward, etc.?

[eternal moth]

You mean OpSi? Yes

[forest palm]

the auto AI is actually smarter in Ops

[opaque gate]

oooh nice, thank u

[atomic abyss]

well, a strong mob fleet will pretty much auto anything not an abyssal or h.arbiter

[forest palm]

a mob fleet can totally do abyssal

[atomic abyss]

a "decent" mob fleet will pretty much auto everything outside of abyssals, arbiters and now strongholds

[eternal moth]

This is what I use for 95% of content in OpSi; that's pretty overkill for the most part though

[dreamy blade]

there are a few things the AI is too dumb to do on auto, like it will ignore those recon points that are in the middle of the 4 directional currents

[forest palm]

that tends to be inconsequential though

[eternal moth]

Yup

[dreamy blade]

it wont buy stuff from akashis shop for you either

[sweet delta]

not a big loss though

[eternal moth]

No, but you can have it stop on Akashi appearing though

[dreamy blade]

yeah i just find it annoying when im trying to finish the exploration goal for X amount of reconnaisance

[sweet delta]

if it did buy from akashi, then some people would auto it overnight every day of the month

[rare wyvern]

Auto use of AP consumables to run it absolutely unhinged

[plain saffron]

Literal afk game

[eternal moth]

Speaking of OpSi, would you guys make any changes here?

[dreamy blade]

a 4th fleet for more crossfleets

[wind hazel]

i finally swapped out vanguard for alsus but it's probably more or less the same

[rose cosmos]

There is a tier update?

[stark quiver]

shes decent

[atomic abyss]

no, that's a different list all together

[dreamy blade]

not ectl

[eternal moth]

Is Napoli or Brest the better choice for the first CV fleet?

[stark quiver]

i like using alsace instead of soyuz

[dreamy blade]

was referring to this doc

[atomic abyss]

napoli imo

brest kit doesnt shine as well for bosses

[forest palm]

has ECTL site not updated for over 3 months at this point?

[stark quiver]

and maybe mog in place of helena

[rose cosmos]

What are the usual main fleet set ups outside of 3cv or 1bb2cv?

[forest palm]

pretty sure they do tiering updates on their own discord though

[atomic abyss]

3 BB for opsi

[eternal moth]

For what? The fleets I put up are pretty standard

[atomic abyss]

1 mob, 1 3x BB, 1x 3x CV

the last is usually a crossfleet or another boss fleet

[rose cosmos]

Both mob and boss fleets

[stark quiver]

i sometimes do 2 bb 1 cv

[eternal moth]

In what content?

[atomic abyss]

you dont typically use 3x CV in campaign for bosses

usually 3x CV is a mobbing thing for w12/13 and opsi only

[rose cosmos]

Opsi

Maybe ex

[stark quiver]

its just whats here
4th fleet can be whatever
oh shit mb for ping

[atomic abyss]

EX is a different can of worms entirely

[rose cosmos]

Maybe story

[atomic abyss]

you need different fleets for different content

[rose cosmos]

Maybe hard

[eternal moth]

Then yeah, 1 3x BB, 1 3x CV, one mob, one that's either cross-fleet or a 3rd bossing fleet

[atomic abyss]

campaign, you're almost always going to want 1 BB + 2 CV for both fleets

[stark quiver]

ex depends on the boss
like you could literally run bb + helena

[sweet delta]

the strongest solution to EX is 🕹️

[atomic abyss]

exception being w12 and w13, where you can run 3x CV for mob fleets too

[eternal moth]

I haven't played around with my 4th fleet much, but it's going to be better at light armor than the IJN CVs should be

[rose cosmos]

I rocked uni, sara and indy for w13

[eternal moth]

I'll have to think about replacing Helena with Mog. Does that timing of her slow normally match up with BBs?

[atomic abyss]

lmao no

[eternal moth]

This is the way

[stark quiver]

no lol

[atomic abyss]

mog's stun is on a 12s timer

BBs are not going to be firing on a 24s timer

[rose cosmos]

And now with w14, mob is decent, boss is stuck

[atomic abyss]

and their natural stagger from BB jamming makes such attempts pointless

[rose cosmos]

[stark quiver]

i just use mog, cuz i use 457s for most things

[atomic abyss]

mog's stun lasts all of 1s

[wind hazel]

i mean blackhole is there... mog stab is pretty much nothing

[atomic abyss]

BB jamming adds an additional 1.2-1.3s

you cant even sync more than 1 BB to mog

assuming you even sync a yamato gun to it

[bold stream]

Hello all. Is this actually better. I dont have a second purple helldiver for saratoga.

Also, is her augment a better choice than sandiego? I have only 9/15 of the crafting materials at the moment.

[stark quiver]

i use mog for damage
feel free to give me suggestions

[forest palm]

Sandy's Augment has far more value than Sara's

[atomic abyss]

at the same time

you shd not even be using your sandy

yours is literally 0 limit break

[wind hazel]

open more tech box and get 2nd helldiver

[bold stream]

My sandy is at 50ish

[atomic abyss]

stop trying to split resources between 2 fleets

focus on 1

[wind hazel]

you can't even augment sandy...

[bold stream]

I opened them all already

[wind hazel]

unfortunately, you gotta wait

[atomic abyss]

stick with the gold suisei for now

[bold stream]

Okay. Thanks!

[rare wyvern]

But I mean... does it work with TB carriers ?

[atomic abyss]

yes, because carrier jamming is significantly less

[rare wyvern]

Here it is, my alternative for a slow !

[atomic abyss]

it's not as simple as it seems

[stark quiver]

i wouldnt rely on it too much

[atomic abyss]

it is not an alternative for a slow if you dont know what you're doing

[stark quiver]

yea timings gotta be precise

[rare wyvern]

I'm gonna go through testing the timings out

[atomic abyss]

because mog can only sync with carrier airstrikes once per battle

so good luck otherwise

[rare wyvern]

Triple carrier burst >:)

[atomic abyss]

just use eldridge retro

[rare wyvern]

But honestly, this or not, I slept on Mogador waaaay too long

[rare wyvern]

I said yesterday, no retro item

[atomic abyss]

mog is not your cope option

[rare wyvern]

Impla is my only slow, my AvP needs some time for FS5

[atomic abyss]

then ignore that fleet entirely

[eternal moth]

Imp is the best stop in the game for CVs

[rare wyvern]

Yeah, I already synced my backlane with her, it rocks

[atomic abyss]

mog only works for nagato meta specifically because of nagato's own gimmicks

she would work for arizona meta too admittedly

[rare wyvern]

But like, Mog is still generally a good DD right ?

[viscid swift]

yes

[atomic abyss]

because both these BBs stop during 2/3 of the airstrike windows

[sweet delta]

yes but 🌈

[atomic abyss]

she is an excellent DD

[viscid swift]

Arizona stops for all 3

[rare wyvern]

I currently have only Yuudachi as my uh, high leveled good DD

[atomic abyss]

does she? i swear she moves on 2nd

[viscid swift]

she doesn't if you time it right

I used my Nagato set up on her for my last few runs and yeah

[rare wyvern]

Or if not merely a DD, a torpedo boat

[viscid swift]

it was honestley disgusting seeing her nearly get 2 shot

[atomic abyss]

mog isnt a torp boat

[rare wyvern]

Yis

[atomic abyss]

she is a gun based DD

[rare wyvern]

Gunner boat with her gun

[sullen dew]

What BB main guns are the best for Musashi

[atomic abyss]

the twin 410 kai is your best budget option, also best for light

[eternal moth]

Twin 410 modA, twin 410 kai

[rare wyvern]

Out of Kawakaze/Kitakaze/Yukikaze, either usable on either w14/15 or hard arbiter ?

[atomic abyss]

otherwise its the proto twin 410 or proto triple 410 for med/heavy armour bosses

[eternal moth]

Kawa would be good

[sweet delta]

i remember seeing a reddit post saying mog is a torp DD

[atomic abyss]

all 3 usable on 14 purely for ASW, kawa w/ aug being the best
w15 and harbi lol, lmao even

[rare wyvern]

Since they are 120, even Kita 125, I might as well use them too

I am sleeping on these fr

[hardy citrus]

What’s imp

[atomic abyss]

implacable

[eternal moth]

Implacable

[hardy citrus]

Don’t have her…

[atomic abyss]

then you use fate sim 5 august from PR4

[hardy citrus]

I got that

[eternal moth]

If you don't have FS5 AvP, you can also use Ark Royal

[hardy citrus]

I don’t have any decent cv backline fleets so far just bbs

[eternal moth]

You really want a mix of both for campaign

[atomic abyss]

enterprise works well enough in a pre-UR meta anywys

[rare wyvern]

Converging torpedoes my beloved

[eternal moth]

Saratoga, as mentioned previously, is really good, and easy to get

Sara, Uni and Independence are all easy to get and great for mobbing at the very least

[rare wyvern]

One can get a pity for Shinano too

After a while

[eternal moth]

It's going to take a long time to get the bulins for Shinano

[rare wyvern]

How long are cruise passes ? 90 days or something ?

[eternal moth]

Since you can get copies from pity, it's not actually worth using bulins on her. And cruise pass is 2 months

[storm heron]

it's ~60 days

[gray sphinx]

what level should my ships be to clear w14 comfortably on auto?

[eternal moth]

120+

[rare wyvern]

Is KG5 good for a fleet that would accomodate 3 HMS ships ?

[gray sphinx]

cool so I'm almost there then

[viscid swift]

no

[rare wyvern]

Sadge

[stark quiver]

thats not accounting for gear + overall account strength

[gray sphinx]

oh like fleet tech?? I might be lacking a bit on fleet tech but I think my gear is more or less there

[eternal moth]

Faction fleets are never a good idea. You can make it work sometimes, but usually it's not worth it

[kind needle]

man, I'm curious about researches, does those h-063-ul mean something?

[eternal moth]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[slate siren]

is there a way to get more omph from ship enhancing?

[eternal moth]

What do you mean?

[storm heron]

omph?

[rare wyvern]

I mean, don't Uni, Impla, Scylla make up for a good mobbing comp ?

[eternal moth]

You don't normally put Implacable in a mob fleet

[slate siren]

like i select 6 bbs and it enhances like 15 fp, but nothing gives a lot of reload

[rare wyvern]

And where does Ply excel, mob or boss ?

[storm heron]

that's just the way it is

[eternal moth]

Boss usually

[stark quiver]

your fleet itself / tech / gear / cats

[rare wyvern]

Ah well sad times then

[eternal moth]

She's more commonly used in OpSi though

[lunar aspen]

pretty safe to just use the button that auto selects enhance materials

if a stat isn't going up it just means you dont have enough enhance fodder, youll collect more over time as you play more

[elfin hollow]

what kinda ships are good for opsi

[slate siren]

i like to manually select to make sure i put cvs on cvs so no stats wasted

[gray sphinx]

damn am I actually going to start needing to refresh cat skills for w14?

[stark quiver]

basically everywhere
highest dps cl

[gray sphinx]

I heard that stuff is expensive

[eternal moth]

Not really

[dreamy blade]

the amount of fodder you get far outpaces the rate you acquire ships to enhance

[stark quiver]

no

[lunar aspen]

yah i mean that works, i used to do it too. depends on how much you play i guess, the volume can get way higher than you might want to bother with

[storm heron]

no I do not recommending working on cat resets unless you know what you're doing

[rare wyvern]

I really can't wait for those four last dev levels to be done with

[gray sphinx]

11505 tech points enough for w14? or I need more?

[eternal moth]

Tech points don't mean anything

[elfin hollow]

the cats we got from the tempesta event are pretty good

[viscid swift]

to be blunty that's too much hassle for something that can be solved with a few more commons which you get hoards of anyway

[elfin hollow]

drake and every

[stark quiver]

thats not a unit of measurment
fleet tech
rld, fp, avi, those things

[wispy kindle]

Does anyone know where i can find a reliable place to find tier lists for my ships? I just came back to the game and i wanted to know what was good or bad

[gray sphinx]

theennnn how do you check if you have enough tech points in rld and all that spread out to tackle w14

[eternal moth]

You... try it

[gray sphinx]

rip

[storm heron]

here

[stark quiver]

and.... theres nothing lol

[storm heron]

or at https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[wispy kindle]

Ah okay thank you

[viscid swift]

how far were you into the game?

[stark quiver]

you dont, you can do w14 with 0 tech, its basically a substitution game
if you dont have enough of X then have more of Y

[storm heron]

if X and Y both contributes yes

in reality there is a, b, c, d, e, f,

[gray sphinx]

there's a gear guide maker for fleets for certain worlds right?

[wispy kindle]

Me? When i got back i was level 64 and for the story campaign i was at chpt 8

[gray sphinx]

forgot what that tool was

[viscid swift]

well what I had in mind won't be applicable to you then

[wispy kindle]

Uh huh im technically new at this point hehe

[lunar aspen]

i am curious, what is this image from ?

[gray sphinx]

like there's a database tool somewhere on a website with fleet clears from multiple people on certain worlds

[stark quiver]

not rly, know the enemy and adjust accordingly
tho you can do /w15 in #bot-spam

[viscid swift]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13YbPw3dM2eN6hr3YfVABIK9LVuCWnVZF0Zp2BGOZXc0/edit?usp=sharing

[stark quiver]

[gray sphinx]

hmmm okay I will take a look at it? not sure if it'll be helpful since I have zero clue about gearing lol. I have a lot of gear but I just never know how to implement them to the fullest even with a gear guide explaining each plane or gun

also damn there's no guide for w14?

[viscid swift]

nope

[stark quiver]

w14 isnt considered difficult content so there isnt rly a guide for it

[rare wyvern]

You get subbed to death then you get ASW

[sacred thistle]

is it a bad idea to spend my gold bulins on howe?

[viscid swift]

depends on the alternatives, how many bullins you have, etc

[gray sphinx]

do you need subs to be well built for w14 too or no?

[sacred thistle]

here's my other options

[viscid swift]

no but they can help

[viscid swift]

yeah go ahead
also give that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[opaque gate]

where can i find all the OpSi missions i have accepted?

[graceful rain]

I’m still level 20 currently having shropshire as main tank in 2nd fleet which is too fragile anyone know any better main tank in early game?

[viscid swift]

the information tab towards the bottom of the screen

[viscid swift]

yes, drop the 2nd fleet entirely and just stick with one fleet for now
you might also wanna give this a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[opaque gate]

oh ok thanks

[graceful rain]

can’t, my first fleet will get wiped out before reaching the boss

[viscid swift]

then fix your first fleet

[graceful rain]

that’s why I’m asking if there’s like a decent common, rare or perhaps elite ship that can tank me in 2nd fleet to get through world 3 or 4 till I get better ships