gameplay-help

[muted mason]

[opaque gate]

what does CB mean?

[forest palm]

Large Cruiser

[coarse heron]

Cruiser Big

[opaque gate]

and CA?

[hollow gust]

Large cruiser : agir azuma kron Brest Kala etc

[rare wyvern]

Is this real though

[forest palm]

Heavy Cruiser

[coarse heron]

Heavy Cruiser/Cruiser Armoured

[forest palm]

next one is Light Cruiser

[opaque gate]

oooooooh, thanks, got curious

[hollow gust]

CB js what the US navy uses for ships between battlecruisers and heavy cruisers . Since they built the only CB

[coarse heron]

Fun fact: CV stands for Cruiser Voler (French for Fly)

[opaque gate]

im tempted to use yamsto gun fr, who's the niche that can use it?

[bold stream]

Hello all, what are the best things to prioritize her for newplayer? Gold bullins? I got my bismark and sandiego here.

[opaque gate]

and i hope yamato gets released alr

[coarse heron]

Purins are the number 1 priority from MoH shop

[forest palm]

the 460 is extremely niche, and more of a gun you use if you know what you're doing

[barren tapir]

definitely gold bulins. purples if you need them

[opaque gate]

might be good for ships with preloaded gun

[hollow gust]

Syncing BBs to CVs

[bold stream]

Okay! Thanks! I was worried those ALL things are important tho i havent used them yet.

[undone plover]

Also try and get the spec core
Costs 60 medal and u will need it later for rainbow bulins

[forest palm]

not really, only one I'd say maybe to is Alsace

[rare wyvern]

How does this work exactly ? CVs with 15s/30s cooldowns ?

[coarse heron]

The only stuff I buy from MoH shop are Purins, BPs, T3 Red Skill Books, and the monthly ship(s) if I don't have them yet (purely for collection). Other players may have other priorities, but really the only "mandatory" thing is the Purins since they're so difficult to get

[barren tapir]

mandatory is gold bulin and spec core, rest is on a needs basis^

[hollow gust]

BBs are usually much faster than CVs , but 460 slows them down drastically . Allows them both to operate in the 23 seconds range . This is only good for meta fights though

[coarse heron]

oh yeah I forgot about spec core since I have so many

[bold stream]

Okay thanks!

[forest palm]

we also have Aviation Manjuu which slows CVs down, so tuning to a BB is easier

[barren tapir]

tbf eventually that becomes a needs basis too once you've caught up on URs

[rare wyvern]

Cutting 7 seconds in the 460 reload ? Wow

[barren tapir]

but its mandatory for like a player's first 2 years or so imo

[coarse heron]

yeah I played a whole bunch when they first introduced them and before there was 4 UR events per year so I got like 40k of them

[hollow gust]

Or just cut the reload lmao

[coarse heron]

turn off the reload

[forest palm]

yup being able to adjust individual fleet tech is nice

[coarse heron]

that's for some seriously sweaty gaming though

[pearl quarry]

Is auto battle mode recommend?

[forest palm]

now if only we could toggle Oath bonus

[whole crypt]

let us tune per ship so vangaurd doesn't outrun everyone

[barren tapir]

yes

[coarse heron]

Always

[pearl quarry]

I use it most of the time

[opaque gate]

seeing converging torps miss actually hurts

[coarse heron]

use a slow next time

[whole crypt]

vast majority play mostly/only on auto

[pearl quarry]

Anyway what ship should I get after I got the beginner ship

[opaque gate]

also, the damage gap is really big for amagi vs shinano with the same eqs tf

is this really supposed to happen?

[coarse heron]

using Converging with no slow
well yeah

Shinano probably wiffed the last air strike

[barren tapir]

can confirm my amagicv is too slow and desyncs from nagastop and i dont have slow/stop so sara usually outdamages her since everything misses

[opaque gate]

in any case, my amagj deals way more dmg vs shinano though

[pearl quarry]

By the way uh is UR limited recommend for newbie?

[rare wyvern]

I think it should deal a bit more damage

[coarse heron]

lemme get 100 coordinates real quick and I'll run a test with my fleet which has a slow

[coarse heron]

try to get the URs even if you can't MLB them yet because they're typically the strongest ships in the game

[pearl quarry]

I have

The new Ur and shinano (which I barely used them)

[opaque gate]

everything hits now i think, still way more dmg than shinano

[winged barn]

Is it worth to replace fighter on Hakuryuu and Amagi Cv with torp bomber (Saiun prototype)

[whole crypt]

if you mean the current banner then Musashi is very good, but we also have a collab coming soon, and another new UR end of the year if you don't have her by the end of your tickets

[opaque gate]

even ibuki deals a lot more dmg

[whole crypt]

sounds like a gearing issue

[pearl quarry]

I have Musashi why?

[rare wyvern]

Loadout/level differences, when I ran Amagi/Haku/Shinano, she was just what, 10% behind both the others ?

[pearl quarry]

And she's like lvl 20

[opaque gate]

hell diver +2 saiuns for shinano, helldiver +2 ryu for amagi so they can sync

[pearl quarry]

Since my level is only 41

[coarse heron]

Saiuns

[whole crypt]

if you have Musashi then it's all good, you just don't need to pull for dupes
if you're out of tickets just do one daily with the daily mission tickets

[hollow gust]

[rare wyvern]

Isn't the Saiun notoriously terrible at damaging ?

[opaque gate]

lvl 104 shknano vs lvl125 amagi, i guess it is the level? still way more dmg though

[pearl quarry]

I use cube 💀

[barren tapir]

i dont think she is hitting everything

[coarse heron]

bruh the boss is level 126 she's got a severe damage handicap

[pearl quarry]

At like I spend 16 cube for it

[barren tapir]

oh i mean she is doing 42% less damage

[whole crypt]

Saiun is just a sidegrade for timing among the converging torps, it is the lowest damage but it is also the fasted if you need that timing specifically

[opaque gate]

oooh, so stat isnt the only thing that matters for lvl?

[barren tapir]

why the hell would you use a level 104

[whole crypt]

don't use more cubes past this point

[hollow gust]

It's like a single digit percentage difference

[rare wyvern]

Ah fair

[coarse heron]

for every level lower a ship is, they do 2% less damage to a target

[pearl quarry]

What about research tho?
I have 4 cube left

[barren tapir]

yes...each level is +2%/-2% dmg dealt/taken up to 50% each way

[opaque gate]

i see, thank you now i get it lol

[whole crypt]

cubes need to be stockpiled over time, don't do cube researches if you're not on a plentiful stock

[barren tapir]

on top of that levels also slightly influence hit rate and eva rate, as well as crit rate

[winged barn]

Slightly , 2 torps but faster as the ryusei

[barren tapir]

and the latter stuff i mentioned has no cap

[pearl quarry]

Alright

[coarse heron]

Well, eva effectively does, as hit rate has a floor of 10% chance to hit

[whole crypt]

it also does more damage per torp, the difference isn't as big as you think

[pearl quarry]

But is research important tho? I mean it gives good loot

[opaque gate]

does anyone know if amagi and shinano have the same reload for lvl 125?

[forest palm]

pretty sure between a Saiun, and a Mod Vit it's no more than 10% damage difference, which is not a lot CMIIR

[pearl quarry]

Anyways should I focus building Musashi or what?

[barren tapir]

ye true, i mean there is no cap based on level tho, only based on the final stat calculation

[clear surge]

Are there any guides that show which are the best weapons in the game?

[coarse heron]

@opaque gate this is the typical damage difference I get on my Amagi and Shinano, both at level 125

[barren tapir]

it is very important but cubes are more important to pull ships with

[whole crypt]

if you're relatively new you'll probably be quite limited for UR bulins but Musashi will likely still be better than most other low rarity BBs you could LB anyway

[spring bolt]

amagi has more, 9 when both oathed 200 aff
shinano has exact same rld as haku

[opaque gate]

thank u, definitely lvl issue

[rare wyvern]

Oh I actually just thought of the wrong plane. It was the Suisei

[opaque gate]

ok so even without saiuns, amagi and shjnano can sync

[coarse heron]

Basically a perfect sync

[pearl quarry]

Okay

[coarse heron]

The hard part was syncing Ark Royal, she was too fast, I had to put real dive bombers on her to slow her down

[whole crypt]

keeping in mind it's not just the RLD, launch times are also affected by the actual plane count

[pearl quarry]

I have all the beginner ships now should I focus getting 5 star weapon?

[opaque gate]

musashi amagi shknano or haku shinani amagi in meta fights?

[barren tapir]

5 star weapon? this aint genshin

[whole crypt]

it's actually about 10% difference but the end of the day it's the timing that counts

[opaque gate]

cu, im still researching haku blueprints rn

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment look through this don't gauge a weapon by its rarity/shiny colours

[pearl quarry]

Ok

[coarse heron]

There's several good blue rarity equipment, including the Steering Wheel/Camo and the 76mm DD gun

[pearl quarry]

My weapon is 4 star tbh idk if my weapon good or not

[barren tapir]

fire suppressor my savior in w10-w11

[winged barn]

Well, amagi cv buff sakura torp dmg ans debuff enemy with phoenix barrage

[barren tapir]

what do you mean by 4 star

[coarse heron]

I literally never noticed in 5 years until you mentioned it just now that equipment even has a star rating

[barren tapir]

wait. they do?

oh god they do i have never noticed it

[hollow gust]

I'm surprise that syncs

[coarse heron]

yeah cause it's irrelevant

[barren tapir]

ye its basically just another sign of rarity isnt it

gray = 2
blue = 3
purple = 4
gold = 5
rainbow = 6

[coarse heron]

I don't have either oathed maybe that's why it does

[opaque gate]

what is that torp bombers on amagi? the dark ones

[boreal wagon]

there are some grays that only have 1 star but yeah generally its just a sign of rarity

[hollow gust]

Pr7

[hollow gust]

When both are either oathed or un that shouldn't be a difference

[coarse heron]

lemme check my fleet tech reload when I finish this D3

but like yeah it's a nearly perfect sync as shown

[pearl quarry]

Quick question at the beginner stage is it better to invest Ur gem Ur spend it at skin

[coarse heron]

Don't buy skins unless you're buying gems with real money

[hollow gust]

22.87 and 22.62 aren't perfect syncs

[pearl quarry]

I'm like f2p

[coarse heron]

well I didn't want them to jam each other

[pearl quarry]

I only get gem for complete 3 star stages

[hollow gust]

CVs don't jam

[pearl quarry]

Or mail

[boreal wagon]

they do by like 0.5s but you kind of most of the time do just want them to jam

[hollow gust]

Jams only really only because BBs can only load 1 at a time

[coarse heron]

if CVs jam on 1st air strike it delays their 3rd air strike

[boreal wagon]

CVs still wait 0.5s before the next one fires (same-ish with bbs that have cap > 1)

and BBs with a cap > 1 still cause other BBs to jam by more than 0.5s cause while they are shooting no other BB can shoot

[coarse heron]

anyway I apparently got 19 CV reload from fleet tech, nice

my Ark Royal actually delays both of them anyway since she's at 22.49s which was a bit annoying to get

with her usual dive bomber choices she was way too fast

[hollow gust]

Honestly you are using Ark Royal , it's much much much more leeway

Just skyraider her if need be

[coarse heron]

I guess I could go back to the Suisei Model 12A to stop delaying Shinano and Amagi

syncing AvP if the next Meta is a more mobile boss and not statue simulator for 2 out of 3 air strikes will probably be fun

[hollow gust]

It will be easy asf , there are so many possible planes

[coarse heron]

oh yeah cause she can use fighter, nvm easy

[opaque gate]

angel's festher good for who?

[rare wyvern]

Does the sam guide explain the CV loadouts according to what you're targeting ?

[hollow gust]

There are about 1-2 dozen viable planes , so doubt he has a good one

[rare wyvern]

Pretty much an idea of what's the niche of DBs because I didn't get that

[hollow gust]

Just use helldiver, tenrai later on , skyraider if you know what you are doing

[coarse heron]

I think it's pretty much only Ark Royal who uses alternate dive bombers

[boreal wagon]

also this is not true. CVs (with capacity of 2) can load their second shot while jamming is happening, so jamming will only ever affect the current shot

[coarse heron]

the 3rd strike doesn't start loading until the 1st one is launched.

[boreal wagon]

thats not true

[coarse heron]

3rd, not 2nd, yes it is.

[boreal wagon]

the 3rd behaves no different than the 2nd

[rare wyvern]

Yes but like, for example, earlier's loadout what a shitload of TBs, and full converging so it was a boss setup to slow and strike it seemed

I know parallel torp bombers are likely better in mob to hit more stuff, but I just wonder if the DBs are to be privileged in mob over torp bombers

[coarse heron]

You can easily prove this by doing manual mode and not launching the 1st strike for an extra 5 seconds. The 3rd one will be delayed by that much.

[hollow gust]

If you can use torpedo you use torpedo , if not then you use DB

[boreal wagon]

the 3rd would only be delayed if they loaded in parallel which they do not

[rare wyvern]

Ogey

[muted mason]

Is it viable having NJ, YK II and Kearsarge?

[opaque gate]

what should i prioritize in gear lab other than wyverns?

[coarse heron]

the 3rd can't start loading until the 1st one is launched due to hanger capacity.

[viscid swift]

This is only if you manual

Which most don't

[boreal wagon]

i shouldve clarified that it doesnt happen on auto

[raven marsh]

what does jam mean

[coarse heron]

one ship delays another ship from using an ability

[barren tapir]

cap your capacity so they cant begin reloading planes/guns

[raven marsh]

oh, is that beneficial?

[coarse heron]

usually no

[boreal wagon]

some times it helps sometimes it doesnt

[barren tapir]

like if 2 bbs reload at the same time, the first one to fire will delay the second by 0.5s

and that means the second will always be delayed 0.5s after, since it couldn't begin reloading

[coarse heron]

sometimes you want ships to jam but usually you want them to be staggered by a tiny bit

[barren tapir]

my understanding is jamming causes a natural stagger when it happens

[boreal wagon]

its more than 0.5s for BBs but that example is more or less accurate

[coarse heron]

It's more of a problem with BBs since they can't store more than 1 shot at a time

[atomic abyss]

1.5s iirc?

[boreal wagon]

1.27-1.3

[barren tapir]

oh i heard 0.5s last night my bad

[boreal wagon]

0.5s is CVs

[coarse heron]

I thought 0.5 is CV

[barren tapir]

ooo i see

[raven marsh]

well i guess for BBs at the end of the day you just throw 3 champ guns and call it a day right whether they jam or not

[coarse heron]

most BBs have different enough reload that even using identical guns doesn't matter

[ornate narwhal]

Is it worth it to reroll for musachi?

[atomic abyss]

soyuz and alsace jam

rerolling is a joke in AL

the game doesnt frontload you with enough resources to make rerolling worth

[boreal wagon]

jamming is not nearly as bad of a thing as u make it out to be Vord

most CV comps jam by quite a bit

[whole crypt]

you can endure 5 minutes of tutorial now until you get to make 3 builds on the login tickets

[hollow gust]

In this case it's pretty worth

[atomic abyss]

[brazen star]

i'm trying to recreate this and its not working

[hollow gust]

Rates in AL is also good enough

[atomic abyss]

goose the issue is you barely get anything to roll with

[blissful marlin]

Is there a support email for me to email so I can try to recover an account?

[whole crypt]

Musashi is a good ship to start on but I can't honestly recommend rerolling regardless

[novel adder]

How long does it roughly take to level a ship from 100>120 because I've got like 40 ships I need to level lol (in 12-4)

[atomic abyss]

it depends on how you're levelling them

exp books? instantly
grinding? where?

[coarse heron]

I did it on Harbiter this month no problem, I went to manual right before air strike and waited to launch air strike so that it desynced from the every 20s shield

[atomic abyss]

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[blissful marlin]

Thanks

[whole crypt]

like if you don't get Musashi by end of rerun with tickets you can get you can just play "normally" with the usual starter reccs

[barren tapir]

rerolling in al would be complete ass in terms of time spent for the pulls gained

[rare wyvern]

Big foods are nice for grinding XP in fights right ? I am finally hitting in my stupid hoarding of gem food

[ornate narwhal]

How long does it take to get all the billins to mlb musachi?

[barren tapir]

can we also remember a newbie wont be able to mlb musashi for like a month anyway

[coarse heron]

a month is a bit on the low side I'd say

[atomic abyss]

a month or 2

[whole crypt]

eh for a completely new player closer to 2-3

[atomic abyss]

thats not how they work

the exp gain bonus is for dorm passive exp, not maps

[whole crypt]

spec cores is really slow in early game

[rare wyvern]

I am baffled

[barren tapir]

depends on context i got amagi cv mlbed shortly after her event but i also made it to the UR bulin from points which someone beginning today prolly couldnt especially if they kept rerolling. so yea

[rare wyvern]

I saved them for... grinding times

[coarse heron]

yeah they're only for use in the dorm, it even says on them

[whole crypt]

well now you know they don't help your grinding XP

[barren tapir]

but a month is like the bare minimum anyway

[novel adder]

Grinding in 12-4

[barren tapir]

since you get 1 from newbie spec core thingy, 1 from spec core, 1 from event, 1 from cruise pass, in an ideal case

if you fail any of those it'll take quite a bit longer

[whole crypt]

for a completely new player starting with like 4 days left on the rerun I have doubts on hitting 15k points

[barren tapir]

ye exactly, its a minimum like i said. so it's just a very bad idea

[atomic abyss]

you get at least 1000 exp per enemy on 12-4, depending on no of triangles, divide with the appropriate value

[whole crypt]

also you earn less spec cores overall from early game, not sure if you can even finish this season's cruise as well with limited access

[barren tapir]

a newbie would be better served saving them for the december UR anyway, imo

[brazen star]

are you sure? because no matter how late i launch the 3rd strike is never delayed

[boreal wagon]

i cant repo it either dw

[rare wyvern]

It actually say it on the pop up in the dorm window, not on the food desc themselves, and I actually never bothered with the first, so my bad

[barren tapir]

i know 💀 i said month as a bare minimum to demonstrate how foolish it is (cos in a month there's another UR). worst case is 3+ months for a very casual player, so it's just overall a bad idea.

[coarse heron]

well my 3rd strike didn't hit the shield so idk man, every single strike hit the shield when I didn't delay launching the 1st

[novel adder]

Fuck. Math. My worst enemy. We meet again.

[atomic abyss]

tldr, it's STILL A LOT

and mathing it is gonna make you despair

[barren tapir]

(and i know a month is doable but is a best case scenario because that's what i got, joining at the very start of amagi event)

[boreal wagon]

the only time the 3rd strike should really ever be affected is if you load both of their strikes and then wait

[brazen star]

that is what i thought too

[atomic abyss]

im pretty sure all carriers hold 2 strikes at mlb, and can load the 2nd one even if the first isnt used

[boreal wagon]

yeah

[coarse heron]

yeah that's not the discussion, it's about the 3rd one

[boreal wagon]

and because you cant load the 3rd while still loading the second, simply only holding the first does not affect the 3rd

[brazen star]

ive tested like 6 times in challenge mode. auto, manual, auto + manual

same launch times for all of them

[boreal wagon]

if we ever get a CV that loads in parallel this would be true but currently we dont have any
(and then the argument would also be a slightly different one)

[coarse heron]

I don't get why delaying the 1st caused me to perfectly desync from the Arbiter shields then

[boreal wagon]

[hollow gust]

Skill issue

[rare wyvern]

Is Chkalov's 50% slow enough to treat it as a need for sync with other CVs ?

[hollow gust]

Nope

[ornate narwhal]

Is it possible to get enough event currency to get the gun, and SR if I start now?

[coarse heron]

Diagnosis: Schizophrenia and Skill Issue

[hollow gust]

Even 70% is kinda sir , 50% is troll

[atomic abyss]

eld is 60% btw, as is ark

[coarse heron]

the only reason I sync Ark Royal for Nagato is because AvP is overkill for Nagato

[boreal wagon]

how much slow is needed p much always depends on enemy movement

[barren tapir]

assuming you're not day 1 of playing then yes most likely try to clear all 5x and 3x point once a day, daily missions and so on

[rare wyvern]

Time to focus on this damned AvP then

Need me second stop to use another double carrier

[coarse heron]

August needs FS5 to be usable btw

[barren tapir]

focus the ship first, gun is good to have on hand but so niche youll rarely use it, worst case you miss it it's not a huge deal. definitely try to reach 15k point for the UR bulin tho

[atomic abyss]

unless you already have impla mlb, you will still want fs5 avp

[rare wyvern]

I'll buy it thank god

[atomic abyss]

even if you DO have impla mlb, it's still strongly recommended

[boreal wagon]

obviously speaking 100% slow (aka freeze) is a lot less of having to use your brain than studying enemy movement and deciding how much you actually need, which is why its the recommended path (most of the time)

[rare wyvern]

I do have Impla 125 and stuff, I just want to build a second fleet with a carrier stop

At least a second one

[atomic abyss]

unless you somehow have a d25 nakhi before avp

[opaque gate]

i just realized, in general, esp. for meta fights, BBs usually perform better for light armor, while CVs do better for heavy?

[rare wyvern]

Nah, I still have too much to do before PR7

[atomic abyss]

true in early-mid game AL
false in late

[rare wyvern]

I wanna push Agir 30, maybe F Schultz

[coarse heron]

I just aim for getting over 50% of boss health for Meta fights tbh

[atomic abyss]

with the best gear, BBs cannot compete with CVs usually without ridiculous luck with helena

[opaque gate]

same lol, but i wanna try one shotting it once

[hollow gust]

And they aren't very good? Eldridge barley works against heavy harby and that doesn't move much

[opaque gate]

i see, i guess BBs are usually more consistent cuz they dont have converging shits

[atomic abyss]

as lars already pointed out, it depends on how fast the boss is moving to begin with

[coarse heron]

one of the crack spider Abyssals for example is going to need heavy slowing just to hit it

[whole crypt]

I'm just lazy and use my Nagato META fleet for everything

[atomic abyss]

also more incorrect than you think

[boreal wagon]

non-freeze slows arent useless they just won't ever really beat full freezes
(variables at play are enemy movement, damage needed, yadayada, see: nagam)

[hazy musk]

hello how to do this
im new

[coarse heron]

you... scrap gear.

[atomic abyss]

go to depot, go to disassemble

[hazy musk]

where to do it sir

[whole crypt]

go to depot scrap gear
or retire dupe ships and scrap the gear on them

[rare wyvern]

Depot > Gear > Disassemble

Everything is on the bottom of your screen

[opaque gate]

ahh i see, maybe because not all shells, especially the next rounds will hit especially when boss moves fast

[hazy musk]

ty sir

[coarse heron]

BB salvos can also whiff hard since it's based on hit

[atomic abyss]

BBs are only guaranteed to hit their first mgm

everything beyond that well

[boreal wagon]

and not even that if you consider accuracy checks

[atomic abyss]

that's why bismarck zwei is so valuable

[coarse heron]

It was always funny back in the day seeing Warspite do Divine Marksman and then seeing "Miss Miss"

[atomic abyss]

it's because she helps BBs hit their subsequent MGMs

[whole crypt]

that's why you just use CV fleets

[atomic abyss]

ofc

if you compare both comps without their respective black hole/freeze

then yes BBs will have more consistent performance than conv TBs/rockets

...on the other hand it is important to remember BB comps usually use helena so

that's a diff kind of consistency

[boreal wagon]

the tldr of basically everything in the game is: it depends™️

[rare wyvern]

Do your OPS fleets also persevere in pathing into every single fire or negative effect ??

[coarse heron]

This game is surprisingly complicated for a men's dress-up game

[bold stream]

Hello all. After i get 150/150 I will receive the UR ship?

[ornate narwhal]

What do each of the factions represent irl? Like idk what the Iris Libre would be…

[boreal wagon]

the 150 refers to how many blueprints you can get for her, you do not get her

[bold stream]

No? What the 150 things for?

[coarse heron]

Iris Libre is the Free French Naval Forces

[eager mulch]

have you consulted the wiki

[novel adder]

Welp. I've stared at this screen for a long time now. I'm still not any closer to figuring it out. I need help lol.

[atomic abyss]

at least point him to the wiki page

[boreal wagon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nations

[atomic abyss]

really fucking unhelpful

[eager mulch]

I didn’t realize that was a wiki page but I knew if you looked up each individual one then it will tell you you

[barren tapir]

they are blueprints used to improve the ships stats (its basically research ship equivalent of enhancing and limit breaking) once you have the ship developed

[atomic abyss]

as a reminder

[barren tapir]

pointing ppl to wiki (with a link) is good for future reference but you could also just answer the question, not like it's a difficult one to answer lol

[bold stream]

Thank you.

[eager mulch]

If that was interpreted as snark then my bad ig

[keen sable]

Focus is not catchup. Your Focus should be 4 or 5. Catchup is exactly what it sounds like. Bonus blueprints to help you catchup.

[bold stream]

I read somewhere to prioritize fdg. I really thought that 150 counter was for unlocking her.

[novel adder]

So you're saying I could ask some absolutely unhinged question and you would have to answer it?!

[atomic abyss]

for the sake of simplicity, let's assume you get around 1000 exp per battle on 12-4
i believe you get a bit more, i think around 1100 - 1300 when factoring in S-clear exp bonus, and even more with >120 morale and MVP and flagship bonuses

let's also assume, the ship is an SR instead of a rainbow

so that'll be 1,310,000 divided by 1000, which gets you about 1300 battles
it'll be less, so probably 1000 battles for those who dont mvp or arent in flag

it shd be twice as fast as 115 to 120

[barren tapir]

unlocking is done in the shipyard -> pr2 you can see what you need (iron blood/german tech points, which are gained by obtaining, max limitbreaking, and level 120ing ships of that faction)

[boreal wagon]

if you are obviously trolling youll almost certainly also get the boot

[barren tapir]

once you begin development by having the required tech points, there's several steps you must fulfil, once those are completed, you obtain the ship and use blueprints to upgrade her

[winged barn]

For warspite: does her divine markmans+ skill work even with an He gun (like the improved twin 381mm gun), since its a ap volly

[atomic abyss]

skills are independent of the gun equipped unless specified

[eager mulch]

yes

[viscid swift]

yes, the skill is separate from what gun she uses

[atomic abyss]

warspite is in the majority of cases where it has no impact

[mellow cape]

Im at 400/400 rolls for the exchange, should I just save it? I have a copy of all the possible exchanges for the current UR exchange

[hazy musk]

as newbie which map should i spend oil for
im farming 3.4 to get akagi (got kaga)

[bold stream]

Hello. I just got to know that. I didnt think it was possible.

[barren tapir]

if you have every ship mlb then save if not then pick one to continue limitbreaking, recommended order is shinano > nj/uvh > shima

[eternal moth]

You can't save it

[viscid swift]

might wanna give that a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[whole crypt]

run event or push progression

[keen sable]

Highest event you can do

[mellow cape]

You can't? which one should I trade for then

Aww 😦

[atomic abyss]

of course not. everything within reason

if you're asking unhinged questions just to get a rise out of people, that's trolling and action will be taken against you

[novel adder]

Thank you. Much appreciated. I'm not smart enough for that lol.

[boreal wagon]

if it is the permanent pity you can kind of save it, you just wouldnt get more pity building up

[eternal moth]

Copies of Shinano if she isn't maxed. That said, do you already have Musashi?

[whole crypt]

you don't have to use it but you don't get additional pity credit
do you have all 4 of the perm URs so far MLB'd

[barren tapir]

oh, you have to pick one, you cant just keep the 400 there for later?

[atomic abyss]

you can

it's just not gonna go over 400

[hazy musk]

shipgirl always down her mood what should i do then

[barren tapir]

ah ok i see

[whole crypt]

there's also an annoying notification telling you the perm pity is capped

[barren tapir]

so basically this ^

[boreal wagon]

ye u get that once per day at least iirc (which would drive me mad)

[whole crypt]

I claimed my perm pity because it was annoying me

[eternal basalt]

You can, but you get 400 before the new UR anyway

[bold stream]

I guess... I have to use more KMS

[barren tapir]

i was considering if they have every one maxed

then it'd make sense to hold onto it for the next perm UR if they dont have that one maxed

[winged barn]

Let them rest.
If you have second dorn floor you can put them there to have them faster recover

[barren tapir]

here is a guide for how to obtain the tech point: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology#kms

best of luck, scharnhorst took so many runs

[novel adder]

Then I think that rule needs to be tweaked a bit - or if it's somewhere in one of the following rules. Maybe it is and this statement is totally pointless lol.

I've been an admin enough to know that people will bend the rules as much as they can, unfortunately. "It's not technically in the rules so that means I'm allowed right?"

I'm sure you've experienced similar things.

[hazy musk]

and i need to max expasion floor 1 to open fl 2 right

[mellow cape]

Okay so I feeeel like I'm in mid game, any pointers in if I'm farming correctly?

I try to complete my opsi per reset
Farming for PR7 (Admiral rn)
Doing the event for the gun

[barren tapir]

it's a common sense rule

don't ask trolly questions and don't give trolly/unhelpful answers

[keen sable]

Put them in dorm. Clear campaign until you have enough gems for 3rd dorm slot.

[opaque gate]

155 kai naval gun good?

[atomic abyss]

because trolling itself is against the server rules

[hazy musk]

already
i mean this

[opaque gate]

and is there a way to get purple general parts easily?

i wanna max all my steam catapults

[novel adder]

Ah, see. There you go. I made a totally pointless statement lol. You're already onto it.

[keen sable]

Iirc expansion isn't fast so you can only micro dorm for now.

[keen sable]

Events

[atomic abyss]

they are the most limited in the sense you use them a lot

just farm normally and buy them from event/guild shop whenever possible

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[bold stream]

Wow this one really helps! I guess I can only start doing this divergent farming after the event ends?

[atomic abyss]

on the other hand, gold plane plates are the highest in demand

[winged barn]

And randomly in supply and guild shop

[barren tapir]

make sure to collect your daily war archive data keys but otherwise yes. you can hold up to 60, so there's no rush. farm that sort of thing during dead weeks with no event

[eternal basalt]

After this event ends... another event begins

[boreal wagon]

one that probably won't rerun as well

[novel adder]

Why do I have a lot of T3 and T4 equipment stuff but like zero T1 and T2

[eternal basalt]

Q-missions

[atomic abyss]

your gear researches

[novel adder]

Q-missions?

[bold stream]

I guess I wont be getting fdg for a while then...

[keen sable]

Grey part shortage is real

[novel adder]

That's probably it

[coarse heron]

there's no rush

[barren tapir]

low oil w6 farm during dead weeks events are the best generally because of siren/elite enemies having nice plate drops mostly just a slow grind

[eternal basalt]

Farm during events, if it's XP you need

[hollow gust]

Just buy from medal

[coarse heron]

I remember for like 3 months T2 general plates I never had any

[barren tapir]

they need kms points which is warchives so itll have to be on hold for a while

[novel adder]

What's considered the best UR?

I know each and everyone is different and has different uses but like-

[coarse heron]

all of them

[viscid swift]

define "the best UR"

[keen sable]

It was never going to be fast and there's a penalty for rushing

[hollow gust]

Yorktown duh

[novel adder]

That's a good answer too.

[eternal basalt]

Good luck getting KMS in your TLR drop then

[bold stream]

What?

[barren tapir]

to be fair fdg is worth to try and get asap so you can begin coining, but events still take priority until you're finished with everything important in them-

[bold stream]

Penalty?

[coarse heron]

Research ships, just like regular ships, aren't usable if they aren't MLB

[atomic abyss]

i mean well, who knows how they choose map drop ships...

[keen sable]

You need to use absolute shit ships to get fdg.

[barren tapir]

the only penalty is if you chase the ship and neglect everything else...otherwise it's good to make obtaining fdg a priority if it doesnt cause issues elsewhere

[coarse heron]

I just assumed they have a list of ships and put it into a randomizer

[keen sable]

At a time when you don't even have your good ships maxed

[eternal moth]

MOST research ships aren't usable if they aren't MLB; there are a few exceptions

[eternal basalt]

I was talking building, but yes, mapdrops can happen too

[barren tapir]

not really an issue with events which are easy just unicorn + the 2 garbo backliners and cope

[bold stream]

So german ships suck?

[barren tapir]

but yes you're correct it should only be done when they have 2 fleets of level 100+ ships and reach w12 already

[atomic abyss]

the easily available ones mostly suck unfortunately

[hollow gust]

Even then they miss a lot of performance

[soft raft]

a huge chunk of them are realistically tech fodder

[keen sable]

That's still 3.6m xp to scharnsucks that could have gone to enterprise.

[eternal basalt]

Collab event is easy, so a good place to farm XP for research, even of bad shipd

[novel adder]

Which are the better PR7 ships?

[coarse heron]

PR4 imo

[atomic abyss]

nakhi and napoli cos rainbow lel

out of the golds, bayard seems to be the best

[barren tapir]

ye you have a point, but you also shouldnt delay fdg TOO long since coining her takes a while too

[atomic abyss]

but uh

[soft raft]

he was asking for who in PR7 was good, not which season is the best

[viscid swift]

I think we're all operating the impression most players will have already leveled their enterprise when they turn to PR farming and they'ev reached W12

[barren tapir]

i think it's ok to start planning your way to fdg after w12 and 2 fleets done

[coarse heron]

oh I misread it as something else

[atomic abyss]

i do think pr5 in general is more useful

[bold stream]

Yep, i plan to get enterprise on my beginner quest reward too...

[novel adder]

Damn no Halford. A shame.

[atomic abyss]

halford is the clear worst imo

[soft raft]

goof ahh DDV

[viscid swift]

not wrong

[coarse heron]

idk if I'm even going to build Halford tbh

[barren tapir]

halford is cute but mid af

[viscid swift]

her damage is underwhelming and her debuff is awkward to use

[atomic abyss]

daisen may not shine in a UR BB meta, but she still is one of the best gold BBs

[barren tapir]

collection%

[novel adder]

me who didn't even have unicorn unlocked when I first made it to 12-4

[atomic abyss]

as for halford im still scratching my head at what she's meant to do

[coarse heron]

god her fleet tech is nearly as mid as her skills

[whole crypt]

imagine using any of the PR7 ships

[barren tapir]

fs5 and augment will save her eventually

[boreal wagon]

clearly she is meant to shine post fate sim

[atomic abyss]

like i guess she has decent damage...?
cos of her planes

[stark quiver]

Halford is decoration in pr7

[barren tapir]

until then she is waifu ship ig

[bold stream]

Hello, does the muse ships count to fleet tech? I got hipper muse..

[atomic abyss]

no

[viscid swift]

no

[barren tapir]

unfortunately no

[atomic abyss]

you can use them to grind exp at least

[bold stream]

So roon muse is a no no too

[eternal moth]

They count for PR experience, but not fleet tech

[bold stream]

That hurts

[coarse heron]

Roon Muse is actually a mildly useful ship but there's still better ships to use

[barren tapir]

me who still doesnt have enty (it's in medal but ill get her later near the end of the month)

[bold stream]

Which ship did you get on beginner reward?

[atomic abyss]

hood ig

[coarse heron]

Roon remains the only ship powercrept by herself

[novel adder]

Aha.. I see. Well, you'll get her eventually.

[barren tapir]

none, i am not oathing until my favorite ship comes back (i am waifu over efficiency player)

[boreal wagon]

i present to you renown vs lil renown

[coarse heron]

god Renown is so bad though

[viscid swift]

you should have at least 3 oath rings if you've been playing since August

[eternal moth]

Yeah, lil renown is surprisingly good.

[whole crypt]

Illustrious only kind of escaped that category because of her aug

[barren tapir]

played since mid sep, the first oath is special and all that i am aware it is suboptimal but it's a waifu game

[viscid swift]

better than Warspite lamo

[coarse heron]

Surely not a high bar

[novel adder]

I'm also a waifu over efficiency player, except I'm at the stage now where I need to efficiency so I can get waifu faster.

[atomic abyss]

[viscid swift]

when was the 3D dorm added again

[atomic abyss]

no im pretty sure she's not better than ws

[barren tapir]

mid sep - i have 2 rings

[soft raft]

Sept 26th

[coarse heron]

Lusty is useful in support fleet in W15 at least

[whole crypt]

I play waifu game by going efficiency so I can use waifu to her best

[atomic abyss]

yeah i checked

[viscid swift]

okay so that brings up the question of what happened to the oath ring that was given out when that released

[barren tapir]

im in no rush anyway can do everything except harby in opsi and w13-15 dont really need to be rushed so im cool to chill in w12

[atomic abyss]

old calcs

[stark quiver]

~~I don’t have waifus , this game isn’t fun ~~

[atomic abyss]

she DOES come close though

[barren tapir]

ur not getting it, like i said, i want my first oath to go to my favorite ship

[whole crypt]

somethingsomethingfirstoathwasrenown

[atomic abyss]

which is fucking bonkers for a purple rarity BC

[coarse heron]

Renown why are you so baaaad

[eternal moth]

Which is?

[barren tapir]

attilio regolo

[viscid swift]

not that I'm in a position to talk because I waited 6 months for my first oath but it's not something I particularly recommend

[barren tapir]

i am aware it is suboptimal but it's a waifu game

[coarse heron]

I picked Long Island as my first oath cause she was my first ship to 100 affinity

[viscid swift]

so long as you're aware of everything it's fine

[turbid dawn]

Bit of a weird question, it's been happening a lot, basically wanted to do EX and for some reason the game keeps sticking in my levelling Napoli and it does this with everything in this event. How does the game decide to what to stick in when you hit 'recommend' I always thought it was just ur highest level URs

[whole crypt]

I just oathed Renown straight away because reasons
but I'm not F2P so rings are just 💳

[coarse heron]

literally nobody knows how Recommend works

[viscid swift]

it goes based on fleet power and what's not "occupied"

[coarse heron]

How does it define Occupied?

[viscid swift]

like if it's in a hard node fleet

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I was gonna ask that, like I have so many choices here

[viscid swift]

pretty much the same as commissions reccomend

[coarse heron]

oh so like a reverse sort on Commissions Recommend

[viscid swift]

in a way

[boreal wagon]

recommend is just not a good way to make fleets anyway

[whole crypt]

not like you should ever use recommend outside of commissions anyway

[turbid dawn]

Either way whats recommended for this EX and how do u activate the hard mode?

[coarse heron]

I use it for SP since who cares

[atomic abyss]

there was also this comparison, but i really need to fact check the richelieu numbers here

[viscid swift]

there is no hard mode

[boreal wagon]

there is no normal vs hard mode for this EX its just 'medium-hard'

[stark quiver]

There’s no hard mode
It’s 3 back line and Helena for ex
Have fun dodging

[coarse heron]

This is an older event so there's no 2 stage EX mode

[viscid swift]

and pretty much just
Musashi, Shinano, Amagi CV, Anchorage, Pymouth, Eldridge is what I ran

[whole crypt]

recommend fills up the entire fleet so you're wasting oil, but you do you

[coarse heron]

it's once a day and as long as the oil per point is lower than D3 it's still fine

[whole crypt]

except D3 oil cap is also expensive to me so...

[barren tapir]

my oil cares

[coarse heron]

I save low oil memes for full length events, not 1 week reruns

I'm in a hurry for these since I only got 1 weekend to do farming

[whole crypt]

every bit counts

[viscid swift]

it's not like this event is particularly more difficult to low cost anyway

[barren tapir]

fair enough

[turbid dawn]

That was a funny EX, didnt realise I had auto on and Shimi+Ply sucidied in first 5s, still killed it first try tho

[coarse heron]

Shimakaze did 71k in 5 seconds

[viscid swift]

double preload and a heavy armor boss does that

[turbid dawn]

2 torp preloads into heavy armour ig, she has her PvP build on for me

[coarse heron]

she's packing nuclear tips in her torpedos

[eternal moth]

Longlances were seriously no joke

[coarse heron]

Funny Bunny be like "hey shitass" throws torpedo

[turbid dawn]

It's a shame Unzen is just better in nearly everyway apart from speed

[eternal moth]

Powercreep

[coarse heron]

don't worry she just needs augment

[boreal wagon]

the idea of augments for URs scares me because there is a genuine chance they will make them UR rarity and even more expensive

[viscid swift]

well we already technically have one, San Diego

[whole crypt]

won't be coming soon anyway, by then you'll have more than enough to pay for it

[boreal wagon]

true

[whole crypt]

Sandy is base SR though

[boreal wagon]

yeah tbf i meant natural URs

[viscid swift]

yeah, hence the technically

[whole crypt]

and to be fair I think it'll be the same as other ships for cost, unless they decide to make shitter augs cheaper in return

[coarse heron]

here's an even more expensive possibility: UR retrofits

[stark quiver]

I’m just glad this game is f2p

[mellow cape]

Wait what's the name of the new Aug for Sandy? I just returned and I don't want to miss that

[hollow gust]

Why is ply damage so low

[turbid dawn]

I mean Warspite exists and could do with a good Aux

[coarse heron]

if you go to augment when you click on her it shows up

[viscid swift]

uhh

[whole crypt]

you will never miss a unique aug if you make it from the ship's equipment menu

[stark quiver]

I don’t think it can save warspite

[turbid dawn]

She died in first 5s

[viscid swift]

it wouldn't unless she got a really big buff

[turbid dawn]

Basically had to do it with just Laffey

[coarse heron]

what if it just straight up doubled her firepower

[viscid swift]

because if you got better one of the main issues with Warspite is her cost and an augment would only add to that

[whole crypt]

still kind of shit

[coarse heron]

any BB is good if they got 900 FP

[turbid dawn]

I mean isn't the issue that her skill just sucks for being a UR

[whole crypt]

maybe solely as a boss sniper, but let's face it they're not going to just double her FP

[soft raft]

lol
lmao

that would still mean jack shit when her barrage is underwhelming

[viscid swift]

her stats and skills all around are just nothing special even compared to SR BBs

[coarse heron]

her barrage always felt like it was designed exclusively for PvP

[viscid swift]

and she has no AoE basically so she's next to useless for mobs

an augment could fix but it would have to do a lot of heavy lifting and again, whether or not it's good enough to justify the cost I highly it will

[mellow cape]

So where does sandy stand with her new Aug now?

[atomic abyss]

she was always top tier

she became even more top tier

[coarse heron]

her barrage was also easily baited by suicide boats spawning right before she fired and targeting it instead of a boss

[atomic abyss]

the augment was so good it made her actually decent even WITHOUT retro

[whole crypt]

let's face it spoot was already undertuned when they added her retrofit

[atomic abyss]

ws retro was clearly an attempt at making something not blatantly overpowered like how sandy was

[coarse heron]

equip the UR DD gun and watch the stars fly out literally non-stop from her

[atomic abyss]

thats why all the subsequent UR retros are way more balanced

[whole crypt]

San Diego is ironically not the most egregious violation... because the first ever retrofit already screwed up on the power scale

[coarse heron]

wasn't Bogue the first

[atomic abyss]

one of the first few yeah

[turbid dawn]

I mean Warspite, Poi, Drake and Azuma deffo all feel bad as URs right now imho the rest have their uses

[coarse heron]

oh yeah the first

[atomic abyss]

ranger certainly broke the scale

yama was an attempt at historical accuracy

[whole crypt]

well...

[barren tapir]

powercreep at least when yuudachi's came out she was really good, but this was a world where the only other great dd was shima more or less, pre ddg and everything

and yuudachis is cheaper than warspite and sandy, only 1 bulin

[viscid swift]

it's not that Yuudachi is bad it's just too much of a hassle to farm for her

[atomic abyss]

^

[mellow cape]

Is her Aug time limited? I have sandy retrofit microphone PTSD from years ago when it wasn't just in the shop

[atomic abyss]

only collab augs are limited

[coarse heron]

all augments are perm except collab

[viscid swift]

no non collab augments are time limited

[barren tapir]

yeah imo yuudachi is still a really solid ship but not worth chasing after unless you like her personally as well

[whole crypt]

it doesn't help that DDGs came soon after and are much easier to work with than Yuudachi

[turbid dawn]

But wouldn't you just rather a DDG over Poi?

[viscid swift]

not in all scenarios

particularly against heavy armor

[atomic abyss]

poi is better on anything remotely armoured

[barren tapir]

ddgs do require core data for missile and 4 gods seal to maximize their power, ddgs excel on light, poi moreso on med/heavy

[atomic abyss]

ok, not 100% sure on med, but def on heavy

[whole crypt]

but yeh retrofits are weird

so many fodder retrofits that are still fodder then some ships get a huge bump

[atomic abyss]

and the most dangerous enemies in end game AL outside planes are usually heavy armoured

[turbid dawn]

Bu then with heavy there are a ton of other ships you'd rather right? Poi just kinda does everything average

[atomic abyss]

not really

[barren tapir]

i wouldnt say shes average

[viscid swift]

well no

[barren tapir]

she's jack of all trades, decent to good at most things (except AA)

[viscid swift]

there's a list of ships better than her but they're all PRs/DRs or event limited

[whole crypt]

truth be told I don't use Yuudachi and DDGs anymore so

[turbid dawn]

I mean if there's heavy you'd rather Unzen, Shimi, JintsuuM etc

[viscid swift]

Yuudachi would have value as a perma option if she were's so much of a hassle to farm the the DDGs didn't exist

[stark quiver]

Torpmemes

[atomic abyss]

you wouldnt use jinM in any hard content

[barren tapir]

unzen and jintsuum are limited atm and shima is lowest prio of perma urs so.....

[viscid swift]

event limited, low priority for bullins, event limited and players are allergic to OpSi

[whole crypt]

if it's heavy you kind of use Unzen then the rest depends on whether the encounter can kill your vanguards

[atomic abyss]

shima is her only direct competition

[barren tapir]

for a new player if they want to go after her yuudachi is still a really good ship imo, just gotta consider the cost and only invest when you can afford to

[mellow cape]

Is there a priority list for URs?

[stark quiver]

No

[atomic abyss]

it depends on what you have

it is almost inconceivable that a player would have every single UR sitting in their dock not limit broken

so such a priority list would be meaningless

[barren tapir]

i def got pretty lucky but it only took me a couple days in a dead week

[viscid swift]

too many variables to consider to create such a list

[coarse heron]

The only priority list you can make is for what to get from perma exchange

[barren tapir]

and 1:1 farm is pretty cheap honestly

[atomic abyss]

and when i say what you have, i do also mean research ships and even SR ships

[barren tapir]

the real cost is 2k spec core and 5 bulins to make her good

[viscid swift]

yeah it's not that bad but when you can do that you're later into the game so you have more options

[mellow cape]

Ahh noted, I just feel like I'm constantly chasing new URs all the time and never having the resources to max them. My ulsace is sitting unmaxed 💀

[atomic abyss]

well, we could tell you what to max first

[viscid swift]

you'll get there eventually

[atomic abyss]

because even 1 or 2 max lb UR is better than 9 half lbed ones

[analog bluff]

How i can get those mats?

[soft raft]

Operation Siren

[eternal moth]

And doing the Enty daily raids

[whole crypt]

a lot of grinding in OS
Mk7 is just a shiny Mk6 so there's very little hurry to upgrade
also the other crafting path of Mk7 is "cheaper" for costing less electronics which is needed for a lot of other useful gear

[whole crypt]

pretty sure a player that just got lab won't have access to that level of daily raid

[boreal wagon]

they indeed wont, one is lvl 60 the other 95

[turbid dawn]

Well I decided to test it, I didnt realise that Azuma would be that much lower then Hinden dmg wise

[eternal moth]

Hinden is one of the top 3 damage in the game. I'm surprised you're surprised.

[turbid dawn]

Idk I thought maybe she'd be at least 1/2 her dmg? Idk

Especially with ir being light

And Hinden had only 1 +13 gun

[spring bolt]

scorpio has a bug and some vanguards gets +60% damage

[sweet delta]

Azuma and hinden should both get 60%, did you even have them fair and balanced gear?

[ornate narwhal]

Is Long Island or repulse better?

[barren tapir]

long island

[ornate narwhal]

Ok

[sweet delta]

Long island but I thought you're not a super new player

[ornate narwhal]

I didn’t get musachi so I made a new account for her

[turbid dawn]

This is what I ran on both

[eternal moth]

You know you still have a few days to get her right?

[barren tapir]

.......

terrible idea, go back to your old account

[turbid dawn]

I guess I do have oath on Hinden but I feel like it should be about the same

[ornate narwhal]

Ik im still grinding but i started a new account to get her bc she’s my fave

[barren tapir]

new account will have less bulins to mlb her

[ornate narwhal]

Tru but at least I have her

[barren tapir]

i mean if you really really want her sure i guess but she will perma some time in 2025 so you could also just patiently wait

[coarse heron]

First time I ever seen someone shoot themselves in the face in real time

[ornate narwhal]

I got her in my first 10 pull…

[barren tapir]

well. if you felt it's worth it then sure. it's your game after all

rip all the poor girls in the other account

[mellow cape]

Isnt a non maxed UR MLB wise way less valuable than a lot of gold ships

[viscid swift]

yes

[ornate narwhal]

It’s fine…I put them all out of their misery

[barren tapir]

imagine you end up loving the december UR and dont get her then you will face a difficult decision again

[ornate narwhal]

I mean…we’ll see….

[stark quiver]

Remind me again what was in the old account

[barren tapir]

im gonnna if it had amagi

[ornate narwhal]

Just a few golds, no UR

[barren tapir]

oh ok thats ok then (rip pirate botes)

[mellow cape]

Did you end up getting her?

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message

[barren tapir]

beginners luck moment

[spring bolt]

idk but is azuma skill 1 related to the damageRatioBullet value? scorpio is so buggy and i kinda trust paper numbers more

[turbid dawn]

I tried Mog too, she looks a bit better but she actually managed to die

Kind of impressive that she managed that

During that last 2%

[sweet delta]

it is damageRatioBullet but it's applied to the CB shell itself instead of the ship, im looking what it does now

i guess azuma does not get the +60% on her main gun

Though on easy difficulty it's 20%

Actually she does, so there shouldn't be a problem other than azuma damage just being garbage without mogg gun?

[opaque galleon]

What buff does nagato meta provide? The wording is unclear to me

[inland shoal]

Pls be more specific about what is unclear to you cuz I don't feel like explaining her entire skill set

[atomic abyss]

i think he means the boss itself

[edgy lantern]

does it matter what plates u give for rigging analysis

[inland shoal]

I mean yes, if you give plates you have less of that's worse than if you give plates you don't need anyway

[coarse heron]

I only pay attention to which plates it’s using when it’s T3 plates

[edgy lantern]

i meant the rewards it gives

[coarse heron]

Oh, no

[fierce robin]

I just got a second musashi would it be ideal to use it to limit break my other one or use the second one?

[soft raft]

hmmm
I have enough time to get to 25k META pts if I have 11k rn giht

[soft raft]

use it to limit break
there's basically zero pratical justification to raising dupes, especially UR ones

[fierce robin]

I guess soo but my only other ur main fleet ship is warspite which I was told not to use

[atomic abyss]

then dont use URs

[soft raft]

bench them for now then

[eternal moth]

I just do it to put skins on them lol

I have enough medals that I don't feel the need to retire them, so I've been keeping any dupes I get and putting different outfits on them

[fierce robin]

What do I use instead of warspite…

[atomic abyss]

i mean it depends on what you have

there are many gold BBs better than her even

[soft raft]

well what do you have?
We cant recc stuff if we have 0 clue who you have

(Also feel free to post your dock in a thread if you want more comprehensive fleet help)

[fierce robin]

I could show you in dms

Or here

[soft raft]

just post your dock in a thread
no need for DMs

[atomic abyss]

^

[eternal moth]

I just created a thread for them

[opaque galleon]

The first skill, is the “buff” just a barrier?

[gilded carbon]

how do i get blueprints from PR-Ships that havent gotten their pick up yet? Like, Season 6-Ships?

[stark quiver]

pr6 research

[soft raft]

you do researches that are of their respective season
shrimple as that

[gilded carbon]

fair

so, i was thinking of getting Hindenburg. Wich means, just get S6-researches

[soft raft]

Yes
Honestly I dunno what answer you were looking for besides that

[gilded carbon]

none. That was all the answer i wanted. Thank you kindly. So far, i had only done ships from S1-4, wich all had their pick-up-mechanics in place. So i thought it warranted a quick question

[atomic abyss]

newer ships dont have pick up

[gilded carbon]

exactly why i asked ^^

[mellow cape]

Okay I'm doing ops and I have a max amount of meta cords, should I analyze and start a showdown?

[atomic abyss]

so you gotta do it the normal way

[opaque galleon]

Also, is nagato meta not supposed to sortie with sakura ships?

[atomic abyss]

she is best without them yes

[stark quiver]

is the meta support battle identical to a real battle

[weary gust]

Essentially. The only difference is when you fight your own meta you summoned you get a support artillery barrage, so you'll do a bit more damage against your own than fighting someone else's.

[stark quiver]

💀
I was hoping to do a bit of testing, couldnt swipe fast enough

[mellow cape]

I don't understand how meta ships and farming them works yet

[stark quiver]

new meta season
new meta ship releases
starts at level 1 easy to kill > becomes lvl 15, not too easy to kill in about a week
you get 2 tries to kill it each day (+750 pts total) , + 3 support battles (+75 pts each)
you can retry your own battles as much as you want, not for support battles
get 25k points to max limit break meta ship
do opsi dailies to get coordinates to spawn boss

[mellow cape]

I seeeee thank you, is it too late to farm older ships?

[soft raft]

Some older ships are avaliable via the dossier tab

iirc it's currently up to here

[weary gust]

So I wasn't going crazy when I thought Nagato META was going longer than normal.

[little tree]

Would Edlrich Retro Go in a CV BOSS Fleet in OPSI?

[weary gust]

She can go wherever you need more survivability.

[sweet delta]

Same results. In easy, azuma did 48.73% of hinden DMG. In hard, she did 48.65%. so it's not due to boss 60% damage buff. Azuma is just BAD @spring bolt
Bonus: Azuma with mog gun did 52.2% of hinden dmg
Bonus 2: with defensive aux for all and mog gun, azuma did only 48.6%

[stark quiver]

so much +13

[winged barn]

isnt Perseus a worse Heal then Unicorn?

[atomic abyss]

she is

the purpose here is for testing frontline DPS

so they opted to use the weaker percy

[winged barn]

ah, i see

[rustic sand]

hi hi o/ would anyone happen to know why this exclamation mark wont go away 😮 it doesnt show anything i have missed when i click on it i think

[coarse heron]

If you’re not currently researching a ship and you can, it shows up.

[rustic sand]

I'm currently researching this one if thats it? not sure

[coarse heron]

No, a ship.

[rustic sand]

ooh

[hollow gust]

that one is shit

[viscid swift]

you get what you paid for with that one

[sweet delta]

Only take C researches if you're broke AND the other choices don't include Q or literally anything other than C

[coarse heron]

Or if you won’t be able to play the game for a couple days and want to pad the research queue

[rustic sand]

ah im very very much new to the game, didnt know it was a bad one

[sweet delta]

Unicorn has a reload buff that can skew test results, and Perseus is good against this boss's mechanics anyways

[coarse heron]

Oh if you’re new and broke they’re fine

Once you can sustain paid research you shouldn’t take them anymore

[rustic sand]

found it! thank you!

[onyx chasm]

Is this worth pulling for?

[coarse heron]

UR always are.

[onyx chasm]

Alr

[vale spindle]

if you care more about the collaboration characters then don't pull

But otherwise you should always pull for URs you don't have

Either way use build tickets since they expire when event ends

[elfin hollow]

How many gems can you get f2p?

[atomic abyss]

/gems

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Gem Spending 101

Gems in Azur Lane are fairly rare from an F2P perspective. However, the gacha in Azur lane does not require gems and their main usage is expansion of facilities like dorm, academy, docks and depot, as well as buying resources, resource packs, premium items (rings and name change), and skins.

As an F2P, you can get up to 4700 guaranteed gems (3750 for 3* clearing all 15 main campaign worlds, 800 for completing Bands collection and 150 for 8 days login campaign), not counting random gems from commissions or occasional bonuses from events or other sources.

Considering limited availability of gems for F2P players, even if spent exclusively on QoL upgrades, it is impossible to upgrade everything.

This is the recommended way to spend gems as an F2P:

• 3rd Dorm slot (300 gems)
• Dorm 2nd floor (500 gems)
• Dock space (remaining gems)

The main purpose of the dorm is for faster morale regen while grinding. Using ships with 0 morale will receive a 50% exp penalty and lose affinity.

The 2nd floor of the dorm will have the same number of slots as the 1st floor. While it lacks passive exp gain, it has faster morale regen. 3 dorm slots with the 2nd floor gives you a total of 6 slots, which is enough for your whole mob fleet.

Dock space is the biggest constraint for players. While this can help casual players collect all their waifus, there is also practical use in collecting ships - for later levelling to get their fleet tech on reaching lvl 120. These are important for players as they provide crucial additional stats that help players to tackle the hardest content (W14/15, H.Arbiters, CM).

Alternatively, players may consider getting the 3rd Academy slot for faster skill training or more dorm slots instead of just dock space (not recommended).

While players may opt to buy skins/rings with the F2P gems, this will come at the cost of QoL. It is recommended to only buy those with real money 💳.

[atomic abyss]

2nd para

this is excluding the ones from anniversary

or apologems etc

[elfin hollow]

Thanks!

[languid reef]

can I still contribute to the combat data collection in the shipyard with ships that are capped at level 125

[fiery raptor]

yes

[mellow cape]

Is there any way to make the message, "let's pick up our loot" in OPSI to be automatic?

[eternal basalt]

Reduce TB text setting

[mellow cape]

Love u

[ornate narwhal]

How can I get old event equipment

[forest palm]

a lot of it gets shelved into Core Data, or Gear Lab

so it really depends on what you're looking for, the wiki does provide availability information

[mellow cape]

If I don't put a team into my dorm/rest area, they don't gain back morale right?

[viscid swift]

they do, just at much slower rate, and they can't go above 119

[forest palm]

major difference is ships won't go above 119 morale outside the dorm

[mellow cape]

Noteddd and if they're in the dorm without food it goes to the really slow rate right?

[weary gust]

Food doesn't affect morale recovery, only exp gain in the dorm.

[forest palm]

nope nothing affects recovery rate in the dorm

[mellow cape]

Feels like I'm in mid game, I used to not care about morale loll

[cobalt rapids]

if u do more than 5 sorties per day ull care about morale

[weary gust]

It takes about 12 sorties to run out of morale if you do them back to back and don't alternate mob/boss fleets.

Assuming no ships sink anyways, if they sink they lose a lot of morale.

[cobalt rapids]

dont grind below 40 morale

[tired condor]

who do i get next

i have all the other series 1-5 prs maxed

[eternal moth]

Agir

[weary gust]

That only matters if you're trying to get them to max affection asap. If you don't care about when they reach max affection, or they are already at max affection, it makes no difference if you go below 40 morale. And if you're trying to keep the 20% exp bonus, it would be "don't grind below 120 morale."

[weary gust]

Azuma and Drake can both be coined. If you're done with FdG, you can build them and start coining them.

[tired condor]

i dont think ill ever use em

[cobalt rapids]

pr5 maxed
are you on season 5 focus ?

[tired condor]

6 now

i never quite did season 4

[cobalt rapids]

how many blanks do u have
if they dont reach any meaningful breakpoint just save em till aegir and haku get coining then

i wouldve skipped 6 for 7 aswell

[tired condor]

nah i kinda want kearsarge and hinden

[cobalt rapids]

fair enough

[sweet delta]

CN wiki says its 30 morale not 40 morale for no affinity gain

[atomic abyss]

5 more battles

[cobalt rapids]

idk i never grind below 120 morale

[tired condor]

for 4 i got anchorage and fdg, none of the other ships looked interesting so i went to 5

[sweet delta]

according to cn wiki, 40 morale is when the starts showing on the fleet screen

[cobalt rapids]

get avp aswell shes interesting and coinable

[tired condor]

o yea i got her too

[sweet delta]

morale

[tame jungle]

do not farm if your morale reaches

[spring bolt]

? where?

[sweet delta]

does it show or when at 40 morale?

[spring bolt]

green face, according to the CN wiki page i am looking at

[boreal wagon]

what im looking at seems to imply green

[barren tapir]

this is correct because my ships only go orange face at 30

[spring bolt]

wait, they didn't actually say which, just "morale icon"

[barren tapir]

face will show starting at 40 tho. it starts as green face

[spring bolt]

yeah iirc it works like that

[boreal wagon]

it does, i double checked

[sweet delta]

anyways i changed en wiki, complaints go to whoever wrote 40 and 50 in the first place

[fathom sable]

What/where are the priority list of upgrading gears again?

[spring bolt]

anyway, the CN wiki page says when morale is equal to 30 or below, no aff gain
and shows "morale icon" when morale is 40 or lower, didn't specify what icon it is

[vale spindle]

Gears you use frequently > not
Main fleet offensive weapons > rest

[weary gust]

All gears should be leveled to +6 at minimum if you're new (unless you literally just started and can't afford even that)

[fathom sable]

How about upgrading one beyond +10? i just assumed that if they offer no stat boost then 10 is enough

[sweet delta]

there always are stat boosts even if the game does a terrible job at telling you what Damage Coefficient Level 1 is

/plus13

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[fresh briar]

Does Room like on the merit better than the normal and can survive on 12 to 13

[weary gust]

Roon Muse* is slightly better than normal Roon, mainly for her support ability of increasing damage on an enemy. You won't see much difference with her in mobbing, or even on bosses really in campaign maps. She will do fine in W12, W13 you tend to want AA (which KMS ships tend to lack).

[barren tapir]

roon meta would sure be something

[reef flume]

Roon Meta? You mean Muse right?

[weary gust]

Too used to the M being meta nowadays lol

[spring bolt]

better dps and lower survivability, compared to og roon

the more important thing is: no tech point

[soft raft]

and upfront cost of 1.5k Core data

[rare merlin]

Are there any special packs that are currently worth getting from the shop?

[onyx chasm]

already got her on my 8 pull

[onyx chasm]

Do I need to invest in her heavy

[viscid swift]

as much as any other UR

[sweet delta]

• i think this is wrong for Flandre gun, in fact I use Flandre gun more than Soyuz gun and I have both +13.
• And twin 100 kai should certainly be lower than twin 138.6, Azuma gun should be lower,
• Ply gun >= Guichen gun and I think calling a 15?% difference on medium "comparable" is a disservice to ply gun
• remove the "best on kitakaze" note for 100 kai or at least change it to "kitakaze's best gun if you use her"
• remove fw 190 a6
• give saiun and ju87d the same "Best conv TB" and "Very good against bosses" descriptions

[barren tapir]

you can ignore musashi until you can mlb her

[soft raft]

She's very worth it yes
but of course only after she's MLB as per usual

[onyx chasm]

I've only got 3

[reef flume]

Mlb her and she will not disappoint

[onyx chasm]

I don't have that many universal bulins

[barren tapir]

then ignore until you do (you can train her skills tho)

[viscid swift]

wait for yorh 4th then and MLB her

[onyx chasm]

I GOT HER AGAIN1

Is she good as well?

[viscid swift]

this isn't a blogging channel btw

[viscid swift]

not really, she's unremarkable

[soft raft]

Not really worth it in the long run outside of tech
Also #trophy-room for pulls and #al-general for general blogging

[reef flume]

Decent but there is better

[barren tapir]

usable but probably not worth the bulins - you likely have someone equal or better already

[reef flume]

He can still use her to farm Nakhimov

[barren tapir]

i dont think they are anywhere close to farming pr7 but sure

[fiery raptor]

what la9 do aside from high avi padding

[sweet delta]

damage

[onyx chasm]

Anyone here i need to prioritise? for stuff like MLB and skills

[soft raft]

BF-109G but better

[viscid swift]

highest alpha fighter against medium and heavy armor

[reef flume]

Soyuz

Prob the best medium armor BB

Oh and Unicorn too

[weary gust]

Unicorn retrofit should be your priority atm

[onyx chasm]

i bought this but idk what to do with it

[viscid swift]

getting a proper team together should be your priority yikes

[viscid swift]

it's a gear skin

[cobalt rapids]

ordered top to bottom prio for each plate type
this would be the baseline amount of gear i would aim for before spreading plates further to other niche gear or downgrades
if a gear is limited or you dont have it rn and its not here ( like lacking guam ) i would recommend saving instead of +13ing an aegir gun unless you care for short term gains
3 20s ap bb gun ( champy/flandre )
2-3 mk7
1-2 457 ( optionally for campaign )
1 plygun
1 mogador gun
1 guam gun
1-2 ca guns ( either 1x drake or 1x hindy + 1x unzen )
1 skyraider
2 conv tb each (up to 3 depending on setups)
3 rocket fighters each ( hvar/la-9) (up to 3 depending on setups)
2 tenrais
1 improved quad mag
1-2 quadmag
0-1 rainbow quint mag
2 sextuples
4 ur aa guns
2 AFCT
3 white shells
X hpfcr ( where X = 3 - afct count )
1-2 black shells
6 steam catapults
1 SY-1A Missile
1 hedgehog
2-3 rudders
1 goldburn
1 elite manju

[barren tapir]

soyuz over musashi?

[onyx chasm]

ah

[sweet delta]

column of text
pictures

[fiery raptor]

i'd pick musashi as she's a pretty good generalist imo

[viscid swift]

I'll bug Sam in a bit and we can argue over +13 priority there

[onyx chasm]

So do I want to use the musashi copy to Limit break or nah?

[fiery raptor]

does la9 have intercept or is it literally like the bf-109

[cobalt rapids]

sam ignored my +13 feedback for months, i gave up

[viscid swift]

no passive intercept

[reef flume]

Use Musashi's copies to mlb her, you'll save lot of bulins

[onyx chasm]

Alr

[barren tapir]

mlb musashi, work on unicorn and portland retros, enterprise is a good pick to invest in dunno what else (i'd say but i'm too biased)

[reef flume]

He got Soyuz too, he should invest in her aswell

[viscid swift]

he only has 3 UR bullins right now
he can't afford to invest in both

[fiery raptor]

saratoga is legit, though after uni ofc

[barren tapir]

he only has bulins for 1 and i would musashi first

also helena (retro low priority but i mean raising and lbing)

[viscid swift]

there's a bigger priority than all of that right now, max limit breaking Indiana

[fiery raptor]

how does zuihou compare to percy/klaudia and the other non-uni healers?

[viscid swift]

Aquila at home basically/ a better Ryuuhou

[soft raft]

^

[keen sable]

all of them. since you can't the obvious answer is stop using them.

[sweet delta]

can zuihou be used in the cheapest 13-1 1:1 fleets? or maybe 1 oil higher?

[viscid swift]

the old one Involved Hamman 2 and Volga iirc

[onyx chasm]

What...?

[viscid swift]

she might work

[spring bolt]

CN recently raised zuihou to second best secondary healer for ch 15, as her heal is more suitable for tanks like laffey2 and eld, and her airstrikes being faster than volga is more important than the extra damage volga brings

[onyx chasm]

What are you saying?

[viscid swift]

is that just with Eldridge and Laffey 2 as tanks or?

[keen sable]

capped ships aren't useful and 90% of your ships are capped

[barren tapir]

[onyx chasm]

How can you tell smthing is capped? Like do you mean level cap?

[viscid swift]

yes, level cap is what they mean

[barren tapir]

there's an obvious order on who to lb first tho so idk why you'd say all/none

[fiery raptor]

uni/zuihou mob, aquila volga in boss? does dropping york ii/haku/shinano constitute a major dps drop if the boss flag is not Musashi, i.e. it's Soyuz/NJ

[viscid swift]

for W15? no

[keen sable]

yes level cap

[onyx chasm]

Well i'm not even that far into story to be worrying about that right now so i doubt that's gonna be an issue

[barren tapir]

focus on the event right now if you aren't already

[sweet delta]

i feel like without musashi, zuihou will just explode to airplanes for any average player without the best vanguard AA

[viscid swift]

it would still be Aquila and Unicorn on mobbing pretty much and Volga on boss with another damage CV

[onyx chasm]

I am

[viscid swift]

yeah, still something you wanna fix sooner rather than later though

[fiery raptor]

wait aquila is for mob? she was on boss the whole time

[onyx chasm]

So wait how am I meant to get past lvl 100

[keen sable]

by stop using shiny ships

[viscid swift]

yeah, her Musashi, and Unicorn is the premiere campaign mob fleet

[spring bolt]

btw tier list maker's opinion, haven't tried myself

@viscid swift yeah i think so, CN is like recommending laffey2 for ch 15 mob tank for years. when healing a dd tank, her heal is uni level

[onyx chasm]

Care to explain in a way I can understand?

[viscid swift]

good thing I got this edit finally done

[barren tapir]

there's nothing wrong with using lvl100 ships, what...

[keen sable]

nelson exists

[fiery raptor]

so my 15-4 clear suffering with Musashi eating all the airstrikes was self-inflicted huh. BZ was on mob.

[keen sable]

you have too many gold ships and can't develop them. meanwhile excellent ships are wasting away unused like nelson

[barren tapir]

im fairly certain indiana would be better for them than to retro nelson. cheaper that is, and likely (idk) better

especially since their top prio rn is retrofitting unicorn

[viscid swift]

yeah pretty much, but oh well, past is in the past

[keen sable]

im fairly certain ps is better than enterprise too

[onyx chasm]

Bro you're saying that like I'm even using the golds that much on my team. The current fleet I'm using was suggest by ppl in this chat

[keen sable]

and indy isn't the problem

[barren tapir]

[keen sable]

haun ch'ang is

[barren tapir]

the ships they should focus on are unicorn portland indiana imo

musashi if can mlb

enty/sara if a cv is needed

nelson if another bb is needed

[onyx chasm]

Unused nelson with levl 6 skills yh? And is levl 73 mind you

[viscid swift]

use Nelson over Huan Chang in your 2nd fleet is what they're saying

[onyx chasm]

Then why couldnt he have just said that... like this is my current 2 fleets

[spring bolt]

he got musa so nelson is kinda pointless tbh...
just one fleet with musa to ch 12, with a fleet like musa uni enty/indie + portland helena sandy

[viscid swift]

I don't know

[onyx chasm]

I was told to have that second fleet on standby and just level up enterprise amagi and constellation

[barren tapir]

yeah i was focusing on who to mlb/retro not what their current fleet(s) were but now it makes sense

you probably dont have enough gold bulins to run a gold heavy fleet comp rn, so

[viscid swift]

anyway, right now your biggest issue is the lack of gold bullins

focus on getting Indiana MLB first

[onyx chasm]

Yeah idk where to get them

[fiery raptor]

yeah, work on your 2nd fleet ships while one-fleeting with a strong set of 6. You won't need the 2nd fleet until the 10+ and should be about ready to join w12/13 only 12 ships to worry about in total

just do pvp a whole bunch

[viscid swift]

weekly missions, the medal shop, the merit shop, and one from monthly login plus some from 3 starring event stages

[onyx chasm]

Right.

[fiery raptor]

you can get merit points and when you bank up you can buy 1 gold bulin a day

[barren tapir]

indiana uni sara portland helena z23 would work just fine if everyones retrofitted granted that is a whole lot of retros

but it would be just 2 gold bulins and therefore probably the most accessible atm

[keen sable]

play the game more...you get 1 a week minimum. since august you should have had like 12-20

[onyx chasm]

I didnt manage to play throughout that time

[viscid swift]

here's along the lines of what you'd ultimately be aiming for
Mob: Indiana, Unicorn, Saratoga, Bremerton, Z23, [filler]
Boss: Musashi, Enterprise, [filler], Portland, Helena, Baltimore

[mellow cape]

Is the boss for OPSI heavy armor, med, or light?

[weary gust]

You're going to have to be way more specific.

[spring bolt]

2nd fleet is not needed at all when you have musa to push to ch 12... and you can slap a cheap twin 410 on her...

[onyx chasm]

So is there a specific team I want to make as of right now or nah

[barren tapir]

arby is medium iirc

[onyx chasm]

I'd just want to see who I'm gonna have

[sweet delta]

Hermit is heavy, Strength is medium, Temperance (impossible to fight this month) is light

[mellow cape]

Ahh medium tyty. Is there somewhere to check to rotation

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Siren#Arbiter
expand the table called Hard Arbiter Skills by Month

[viscid swift]

well for one, they'd want to be able to do hard mode be it events or campaign and 2, I don't think I'd trust Musashi to carry the fleet as strong as she is given the probably state of their gear and the rest of their ships all the way to W12

[barren tapir]

if you have enough exp books to catch up musashi to your other ships (a bit behind is fine)

then musashi indiana/sara uni + some combination of portland/balti/brem/z23/helena

[onyx chasm]

Oh yh ofc

[barren tapir]

2nd fleet can wait until at least world 10

[viscid swift]

right now you'd just want the best of your ships on one fleet for the push to W9
Indiana, Unicorn, Saratoga, Bremerton, Z23, and Baltimore

[spring bolt]

even weak bb like tirpitz can do one fleet to ch 12... just add stat filler in hard mode and keep one fleeting