gameplay-help

[last zenith]

Just luck i guess?

[eternal moth]

Please don't tell me you blew all your cubes on this event.

We have a new event starting next week, and another UR event in a month

[last zenith]

I got 2 copies within my first 3 pulls then pulled another 40 times

[eternal moth]

oh hey, looks like Discord is back

[eternal moth]

You should go ahead and build Musashi, she's one of the best mob BBs for chapter 15

[bold stream]

Max out musashi right?

Is there any more free summon tickets outside of the map clear rewards and event shop?

[eternal moth]

I want to say yes, but I also don't want to screw you over just in case something amazing comes in a month. I'd go for it

[glacial widget]

does the triple 460 have any real use or is it just a meme

[eternal moth]

What other BBs do you have? If those are your only URs especially, Musashi will be great for you.

[inner delta]

sometime it does have a use, depend on the content

[eternal moth]

It's used on Alsace in the current meta as an example

[forest palm]

this is entirely wasteful be it tickets, or cubes, especially with cubes if you get the ship don't go back in for more

[rose cosmos]

I wish they give more 460mm

[glacial widget]

is it really? I thought the triple 406 was best on her

[bold stream]

Hello, this is all I have.

[eternal moth]

Yeah, definitely want to go with Musashi then

[eternal moth]

I'd prioritize Saratoga as your next ship to work on as well

[bold stream]

Okay thank you. I will start using her .

[forest palm]

retro unicorn first

[rose cosmos]

The musashi bunny skin isn’t in the rerun list?

[eternal moth]

If a ship is in any of your fleets, you want to max limit break them as well. You have enough purples that it shouldn't be difficult to do

[bold stream]

I dont limit break them too early because of oil. Unless they are approaching level limit.

[eternal moth]

/oilpsa

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804119377739776/949345167092105277/Untitled_presentation-page-001.jpg

[bold stream]

I am out of oil right now too

[eternal moth]

Make sure you're keeping up with leveling the canteen

[bold stream]

Yeah, but I have no problem pushing with them rn. My issue for now is ship levels. Which I can only increase via sortie...

Yep, they are as high as they can be

[eternal moth]

Make sure to put whoever you can in the dorm as well

[zinc turret]

what ship i should give the new ur gun this all bbi have ?

[eternal moth]

None unless you know when to use it

[viscid swift]

Most of the time no one

[zinc turret]

dayum really is that new ur bb gun is that bad ? 💀

[inner delta]

is not bad, it just niche

[soft dagger]

its not about who, its a certain condition

[eternal moth]

It's too slow to be good in most cases

[zinc turret]

i tought it will be good since its top 2 priority to get at the event shopp

[eternal moth]

When it's good, it's really good; the thing is, it's not good in most cases

[viscid swift]

It's also not new

Been out for more than 2 years

[rose cosmos]

Also musashi is better as mobbing than boss rite?

[bold stream]

Can I run this map as soon as I get lv 90 avg without DD requirement on second team?

[eternal moth]

Don't use UVH until after you get her max limit broken.

[viscid swift]

Yes

Whether it clears is another matter though

[eternal moth]

And move Portland to the tank spot. You can do that in Adjust

[bold stream]

Thanks I will!

Getting them dormed too so I can get the lvls.

[rose cosmos]

Say when will they rerun the specific live 2d character skin like amagi party dress one

[quartz jungle]

I don't think he can level other ships in time though

[pale wing]

Is it a good idea to bring up Indianapolis just for Portland's passive?

[bold stream]

Sadly noone else comes close to her for now...

[viscid swift]

No

[pale wing]

Oh, cause i thought its a good idea

[bold stream]

True.. out of options atm

[viscid swift]

She's one of the best in campaign and depending on your options one of the best for medium and heavy armor bosses

[viscid swift]

The buffs aren't substantial and Indianapolis is shit

[pale wing]

Welp, imma bring back Helena/Mogami

[viscid swift]

Helena not Mogami

[velvet slate]

you actually need 91 as the symbol says >90

so 90 wont be enough

[viscid swift]

99% sure I explained all this earlier but anyway

[bold stream]

That hurts..

[rose cosmos]

This good?

[viscid swift]

I also hope you have some bullins ready for Musashi

No

[eternal moth]

If you have 2 more bulins to MLB her, yes

[viscid swift]

460 is niche

[rose cosmos]

I'm just waiting for cash

[eternal moth]

Although again, the 460 is probably the worst gun you can give her.

Just give her a twin 410 or 410 kai

[viscid swift]

And Seattle gun is not a good aux gun

[eternal moth]

ok, the worst IJN gun you could give her

[rose cosmos]

What about 406

[viscid swift]

Nope

[eternal moth]

She wants an IJN gun, so no

[sweet delta]

did you read her skills?

[viscid swift]

Has to be an IJN main gun

[slow fox]

Suchiperson spotted

[eternal moth]

Twin 410, 410 kai, or 410 ModA

Or triple 410

[viscid swift]

I'm noticing a pattern here

[rose cosmos]

It costs money though

[pale wing]

Thanks a lot!
I just need 3 more Bulin Mk3, if not, 1 Bulin Mk3 and 2 Musashi COPY

[eternal moth]

For most content the twin 410 kai is enough

[eternal moth]

If it would require you to spend cubes just use the bulins

[pale wing]

Uhm...
I already used one, i just need 3

[viscid swift]

and be sure you can get them sooner rather than later

[pale wing]

But the limit got me

[rose cosmos]

But technically 410 triple is best for her rite

[pale wing]

5000

[viscid swift]

whoops, wrong version

[eternal moth]

Not anymore; I think the PR7 gun is better for AP, and twin 410 kai is better for most mobbing

[untold lake]

Who should l get, these are my ships l already have

[rose cosmos]

So basically craft the 410 kai and that’s about it?

[viscid swift]

Shinano

[eternal moth]

For now, yeah

[untold lake]

Thx

[viscid swift]

yeah not really much of an excuse, you really don't want to be using non MLB ships if you can at all avoid it

[pale wing]

Yet...

[viscid swift]

what

you do realize even with 2 good auxes the performance a non MLB ship is still gonna be worse than a MLB ship right

[pale wing]

Going to get one of that

[eternal moth]

Get the white one first if you don't have either

[pale wing]

Sure

[unique lantern]

musashi or amagi for my next ur bullins?

[pale wing]

Man, wish i have Alsace..

[eternal moth]

Amagi since you have 3 BBs already

[viscid swift]

I would agree

[unique lantern]

im omw for haku, will be a while, but my brest is almost done and i think i have 280ish bps for haku

also have avp fs5

wait, lemme just make a new ss with all rarities

[eternal moth]

Amagi/Shinano/Haku is a great CV comp for OpSi if you have another slow, like Eldridge Retro

[unique lantern]

odin is also fs5

really, a triple cv without avp slow? i heard avp was essential

[eternal moth]

Eldridge Retro has a slow

[rare wyvern]

Using this without a slow, I still concur lmao, it slaps

[viscid swift]

heavy arbiter doesn't move a lot

[rare wyvern]

And if it moves, isn't putting more DBs and parallel torp bombers worth it ?

[eternal moth]

If you don't have Eld, then dropping Haku for AvP is fine

[viscid swift]

no because you're losing out on so much potential damage

[eternal moth]

Nah, you're better off changing Haku for a slow/stop like AvP than using barracudas or even wyverns

[rare wyvern]

Sad times to see Haku being the third wheel here

[eternal moth]

Implacable is better, but I know a lot of new players don't have her.

It's because of the buffs Shinano gives

[unique lantern]

well, i do have all the gear for musashi already, was hoping that was the answer time to somehow farm several wyverns and tenrais over the next half year

btw i have 1 tenrai and 0 wyverns

[rare wyvern]

Am I dreaming or Implacable has pretty long reloads ? I always felt like it's forever between her strikes

[viscid swift]

you're dreaming

[rare wyvern]

I might be

[viscid swift]

she's naturally faster than the other UR CVs because she has to slot a fighter

[eternal moth]

Her RLD is exactly the same as Shinano, and yeah, the fighter actually makes her a little harder to sync because she's a bit too fast

[viscid swift]

lucky for you the Tenrai is not far off from the gear lab and Wyverns are not optimial for an OpSi boss fleet

[faint cloud]

Isn't it because she has a rld buff

[viscid swift]

that's only if she equips a DB

which most of the time she doesn't

[eternal moth]

As Cheeky said, you don't want to giver her a DB. You're better off with fighter/TB/TB

[faint cloud]

uh i forgot

[unique lantern]

are the cvs only used for boss fleets?

[eternal moth]

Nah, CVs are great for mobbing as well. Barracudas/wyverns are amazing for clearing trash

[viscid swift]

no, but Amagi and Shinano would be best utilized in a boss fleet in OpSi

[rare wyvern]

Shinano then needs at least two IJN vanguards, but I think I'll try the Implacable/Amagi CV/Shinano soon

[viscid swift]

no she doesn't

all she needs is 2 other IJN ships in the fleet

[eternal moth]

Amagi counts as one of them, so you'd need 1 in vanguard if you aren't using Haku

[rare wyvern]

Oh right herself is counted

[eternal moth]

That one in vanguard is usually Kaza

[unique lantern]

oh thats why those 3 are used, i was confusing the ijn buff with the fox buffs for a while

[light mango]

How to get st louis

[eternal moth]

This is why you want 3 IJN ships in a Shinano fleet

[viscid swift]

which one

[rare wyvern]

Also I think I already asked but with Implacable's long slow (and it's 2s slow, 2s immob, 2s dissipation), what's the decent timing with the others ?

[eternal moth]

Assuming you mean the Eagle Union one, chapter 10-3

[viscid swift]

her launching 2nd and the other 2 being within 0.2 seconds of her

[eternal moth]

Or gacha in light construction

[light mango]

The blue hair one

[light mango]

Thanks

[rose cosmos]

So is there anyone actually benefit from 460mm

Since reloading sux for it

[eternal moth]

UvH can use it decently well, but she's still better off with other guns

[quartz jungle]

Can you permanently sync your CVs to Mogador stab?

[cobalt rapids]

Impossible

[quartz jungle]

What is the maximum? 1 only?

[cobalt rapids]

1 in a 3-4 strike

More in a cm ig

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't use 460 even if I was using UvH... Alsace arguably does a better job at it where third strike timings are not relevant

[cobalt rapids]

I would use 460 on any bb when its good

[whole crypt]

it's good when the timing works, so encounter-depedent

[cobalt rapids]

Yes

[rare wyvern]

Good ?

[cobalt rapids]

Timing is good, plane selection bad

[forest palm]

Looks fine timing wise

[viscid swift]

sync is fine, damage is bad

[rare wyvern]

What planes are bad ?

[eternal moth]

You want to use TBs whenever you can

[cobalt rapids]

The ones on the flex slots except implac

[viscid swift]

F6F on Amagi and Goldiver on Shinano

should be a DB and TB respectively for heavy armor

[cobalt rapids]

And goldiver on amagi

[rare wyvern]

Goldivers are my dive bombers yes, like

My roster of DBs are Helldivers waiting to be Goldivers, which ones should I aim instead ?

[viscid swift]

Tenrais

[forest palm]

Goldivers aren't worth the mats

[viscid swift]

and you do know Goldivers are literally just Helldivers with 20 more AVI stat right?

[eternal moth]

Just stick wtih helldivers until you get tenrai

[rare wyvern]

Yes

[viscid swift]

and yet you chose to invest mats to craft them as well as gold plates knowing the Tenrai exists

[cobalt rapids]

Amagi for heavy is db/tb/tb
implac is fighter/tb/tb
nano is tb/db/tb
theres only 2 db slots here you need to fill
Tenrai on amagi and goldiver on nano

[forest palm]

[viscid swift]

meh

[forest palm]

should probably play around with it

[rare wyvern]

Well yeah, I got only one Tenrai and don't exactly drop a lot of BPs

[viscid swift]

Implacable not 2nd

[sweet delta]

Experimental XSB4C coming to gear lab soon™️

[rare wyvern]

Most Tenrai bps for this one were shop

[viscid swift]

you can buy one from the prototype shop

[forest palm]

not that much an issue tbh

[rare wyvern]

I don't have many occasions to buy from the proto shop

[viscid swift]

get farming then, and invest gold plates on planes that are not intermediate gear

you don't get enough gold plates to have that luxury

[rare wyvern]

I don't have JU87s unfortunately

I got Ryuseis, two Sairun Kai, Barracudas and two VIT-2

[forest palm]

that's just a sample build, but that's generally the lay out for Heavy

[forest palm]

I've just been lazy to tinker with it since it will work

[viscid swift]

that works out nicely

[quartz jungle]

How much damage does Ark Royal do with Ryuusei vs AvP? Just curious about the damage difference that's all

[forest palm]

Ark can't really compare to August especially with Fate 5

[plain saffron]

higher dmg againts heavy armor bcs torp good againts heavy. though that's ignoring the slow vs stop

[quartz jungle]

Ik lol, I'm not talking about sync

[cobalt rapids]

higher contribution on heavy assuming boss isnt mach12ing her torps

[sweet delta]

~~i was going to put this but you probably don't have la9 ~~

[forest palm]

pepega lookin build

[quartz jungle]

If he has goldbomber crafted already he should probably use it though

[viscid swift]

what were you cooking

[rare wyvern]

It does, thank, lower reload gotta be due to Tech on my end

[quartz jungle]

Or VT-2

[forest palm]

41 CV reload

[viscid swift]

I instinctively don't remember useless things

[cobalt rapids]

As long as u dont have odd oaths timing will usually work

[quartz jungle]

Wait why does shinano have steering gear lol

[sweet delta]

for next month

[rare wyvern]

I might actually do soon, Shinano is 200 affinity, Amagi 150 or sum right now, and Impla 100

[forest palm]

that makes things so much more annoying to sync

[rare wyvern]

The only thing that will change is Amagi going from 9% to 12%

[viscid swift]

yeah that won't work then

[forest palm]

understand that affects all stats but Spd, meaning it shifts the RLD brackets

[rare wyvern]

No Ju-87 that is

[cobalt rapids]

Craft em

[viscid swift]

it's not that expensive to craft

[forest palm]

this is why I have raised 2 of every meta defining ship I've oath'd

[cobalt rapids]

They are number one plane plans and electronic prio anyway

[rare wyvern]

Fun fact, I don't own a single plain further down the line, and it might be an issue cuz I'm like, OUT of IB purple boxes, time to find a way to farm them

[viscid swift]

just craft some from T1s and T2s you have

[forest palm]

pretty sure you're just fishing for a He 50b

[sweet delta]

sounds like a berk horror story

[rare wyvern]

I curse the PR5 DD gun for which I did a lot of rigging research project for 15 boxes each
But alas, I now own a Ju-87

[viscid swift]

Those researches are shit

[rare wyvern]

Also, the Ju-87 actually makes my Shinano a bit too fast

[forest palm]

E series research is shit, and a waste of boxes

[rare wyvern]

Like 0.3s before Impla

With the Ryusei I'm closer, does it matter ?

[quartz jungle]

What's your CV reload tech?

[whole crypt]

2 hour scrap E isn't the worst thing you can take for gear focus

[rare wyvern]

15

[cobalt rapids]

They are all same lvl aswell right

[forest palm]

keep in mind for Amagi, and Shinano plane slot matters, and will change the FR

[rare wyvern]

All are 10 or more, so timing doesn't change

[cobalt rapids]

I meant ship lvls

[rare wyvern]

Okay to be fair I was an idiot and made a mistake, now they all are between 22.50 and 22.60

Amagi/Shinano 125, Impla 122

[viscid swift]

Those timings were done with 125 in mind

[rare wyvern]

22.50 - .55 - .61 for Impla - Shinano - Amagi

[bold stream]

Do I every character here?

[rare wyvern]

Meta be complicated fr

[whole crypt]

there's no rush to

[bold stream]

Okay thanks!

[whole crypt]

they don't cost you space but they also don't have much to contribute until you raise them to 120, chances you're not really in a position to be worrying about tech fodder now

[rare wyvern]

Time to watch the airstrikes on today's SP

[glass hull]

wuts the best plane loadout for amagi cv?

[forest palm]

that depends on what you're doing with her, and who you're using her with

[fallow sedge]

How to get the requirements on gear lab

[whole crypt]

if you're asking about the materials you just have to keep running OS

[crude fable]

Is this gun good or do any one have a tier list of gear?._.

[civic crag]

fire control goes on NJ or B2?

[coarse heron]

that's only really used on Musashi in certain situations

[timid solar]

they don't? they changed it?

[warm pivot]

what are you guy's fleets for opsi????

[crude fable]

Only musashi?

[wind hazel]

yes, mostly only musashi

[crude fable]

Oh tysm

[coarse heron]

in most cases she'd rather use the Twin 410 Kai

[wind hazel]

unicorn+5 good ships on mob

BB fleet with tank helena plymouth
CV fleet with tank kazagumo sirius
crossfleet/Kearsarge&friends for light/med

[unique lantern]

ägir vs brest vs azuma, whos best and why? (ig its probably not azuma but shes also ur and im coining her rn so why not)
my ägir is 100% with her gun, and brest is dev30 soon™️

[quartz jungle]

Brest better in campaign, Agir better as BB buffer/slow support in Opsi

[rare wyvern]

Real question here, have I powercrept OPSi, or am I weird for not using mob/boss setups ?

[velvet slate]

outside of arbiter hard, once u get a few that are strong you dont really need super optimal setups. And even arbiter hard can be beaten with 4 strong teams without them being super optimized

[wind hazel]

if you aren't using either then what are you using

[unique lantern]

regular opsi content doesnt need boss fleets, you can full clear all regular opsi content with a unicorn+2 good dps main ships

[little yoke]

Is there a way to filter out only the retrofit skins but show everything else?

[wind hazel]

i dont think so

[little yoke]

[rare wyvern]

My... faction fleets, which are like almost all 125 by now, but yeah, like I pass everything aside hard arbiter, they are usually just balanced between AP and HE for shelling

[wind hazel]

sounds like you didn't powercrept opsi

[rare wyvern]

Sometimes I have to use regroup and rest on Stronghold last bosses, sometimes

The 15% HP regen on the siren boss are horrible

[unique lantern]

im building enough of an arsenal to do optimized opsi fleets soon just missing 1 month worth of UR bullins for amagi now to do the cv boss fleet

[quartz jungle]

Err you should be oneshotting them

[sinful elk]

Chat what kind of situation that the 460mm gun is usable

[quartz jungle]

Or just go to port to heal then come back

[wind hazel]

meta showdown, even then it's very rare

[quartz jungle]

META boss fight

[sinful elk]

[rare wyvern]

Well I can't for Strongholds, my reserve of repairs is here for that

[unique lantern]

tho i probably need a 4th tank then i guess, i have maxed ägir, soon maxed brest, maxed anchorage, what do i fill the 4th tank slot with? do i just use the azuma im coining or is friedrich carl better?

[sweet delta]

eldridge?

[unique lantern]

as a main tank? i thought you placed her in offtank for the huge defensive buff, or is she enough as main tank with the buff?

[quartz jungle]

You can for Strongholds, you can't for Abyssal

[sweet delta]

she's decently tank but certainly won't be surviving 80s of strength like almost all other vanguard ships

if you already have Carl mlb then use Carl, idk what else you have

[rare wyvern]

I handle them with 4 attacks, so maybe I'm just pushy

[unique lantern]

the azuma im coining

[sweet delta]

but eldridge retro must be in a boss fleet somewhere

[unique lantern]

the cv fleet?

[sweet delta]

whichever fleet doesn't have a freeze or needs tankier

[unique lantern]

my bb fleet gonna run plymouth and helena, main tank gonna be either ägir or brest i believe

is ägir enough of a slow for a bb fleet? if so its kinda settled

i was gonna run a shinano/haku/amagi cv boss fleet with eldridge, since i was recommended to just go triple ijn over avp

[sweet delta]

you have haku? or how many bps?

[rare wyvern]

Well it's nice to have your third CV buffed by Shinano if your slow is on the vanguard

[unique lantern]

haku on her way with mediocre bps, but im almost done with brest so imma focus on haku soon

[sweet delta]

i think you should concentrate your best ships for now in one fleet while waiting for so many ships like haku amagi aegir brest ply to level or dev

[unique lantern]

im clearing everything just fine, all my basic shit is tight, im just already planning the 4 fleets im going to work towards for hard opsi stuff

basically, i got alsace and got a free win everywhere except hard opsi

i mean before i do get haku would shina/amagi/avp be enough to clear hard opsi content? i feel like waiting for good fleets is gonna cost me mats in that time

[sweet delta]

how long will it take you to mlb amagi?

[unique lantern]

start of next month, maybe 1 week in ish

getting 1 bullin from current event and almost got 6k proto

[sweet delta]

strong accounts can onefleet hard arbiter with shinano amagi avp, so i'd say it's decent

[unique lantern]

oh maybe not 1 week in, however long its gonna take me to get 3k-ish sp cores on month reset

[rare wyvern]

I wish to be taught those dark arts >:)

[frank pulsar]

there are no dark arts, its literally just play more

[unique lantern]

travel back in time and play for 8 years

i feel like my account has been mediocre at best for the soon year im playing

[rare wyvern]

Usually my vanguard just doesn't survive the hard arbiter

[wind hazel]

that's very normal for this month's hard arbiter

[rare wyvern]

As in four attacks don't go through the first quarter, but I want to revamp my opsi roster

[rare wyvern]

I think so too because the normal arbiter got me sweating

[dense cairn]

Who should i put on for my fleet2?

[unique lantern]

can you help me scrap together a 4 fleet comp for current hard arbiter

[shell willow]

you should focus on 1 fleet until you reach w9-10

[rare wyvern]

What is the influence of AA on a CV ? Fighters interception capacities are boosted by both AVI and AA or something ?

[crimson glacier]

AA reduces dmg from planes

[pale wing]

Is it true Prinz Eugen is THAT bad?

[rare wyvern]

Huh, okay. I was checking Aquila's skills since I apparently have her too, and her blue skill is an AA boost. I feel I really missed out by using Perseus as my heal

[crimson glacier]

eugen isnt good

[fresh briar]

Should I use this

[crimson glacier]

no

[pale wing]

I'm honestly disappointed on her than what i expect

[fresh briar]

Eh

[vale cradle]

Im new to the game, if i already got musashi, is there any reason to keep pulling on the event banner

[atomic abyss]

There's a superior Prinz Eugen
And it's called Agir

[pale wing]

Guess what..
I accidentally researched her.

[atomic abyss]

No honestly, would be best to save your cubes
Do use the free tickets however

[unique lantern]

only the free daily pull with the tickets you get and then use all of the rest at the end

[fresh briar]

Btw is monarch and Duke of York can survive on chapter 12 to 13

[vale cradle]

Ok thx

[atomic abyss]

W12 easily
W13 it highly depends on the rest of your fleet, cos it's noticably harder

[fresh briar]

Ight time to switch faction

[pale wing]

Btw, imma retire Eugen due to her being too defensive

[fresh briar]

Try to get Agir

[atomic abyss]

Which is essentially her biggest problem

[atomic abyss]

They already do

[fresh briar]

Worth it to level up the 3 iron blood for tech points??

[finite crag]

you already have all tech points possible from z23

[atomic abyss]

Backliners are better for tech

[noble osprey]

Guys is there a way to save the extra coins once i reach the cap so they wont go to waste?

[atomic abyss]

Use them really
But in the run up to events, it's perfectly normal to go OVER the cap

[novel adder]

Help with opsi fleets.

[storm heron]

that's basically the tradeoff of stacking coins for time where you can't farm much. You missed merchant which is about 6k daily

also is all skins available in the shop for black friday? If I find something I want should I buy it now? Or will there be a ticket I can use for discounts

[fresh briar]

I had only Ulrich bruh

I have only Ulrich the tomboy Girl

[atomic abyss]

Then just wait

Priority is to raise good ships, not fleet tech first

[fresh briar]

B R U H

[vale cradle]

Following up this question, should i pull on the normal banners to try get the UR characters, or just continue saving

[unique lantern]

daily pull, save cubes for events

most events contribute to the UR pity pull

[noble osprey]

What do you guys farm to get coins for pulling in the event? Its 300k coins for 200 pulls but i can only stack 50k coins, and then theres only 6 days to farm the remaining 250k coins 😅

[unique lantern]

this one doesnt because it has its own UR

[unique lantern]

you can go over your coin max, you only cant get coins from the accumulating ones when you are at your limit
also later story stages net a lot of coins, i think its somewhere around 10 coins per oil spent, maybe more

[wanton dawn]

is there a guide that shows what research to prioritise

[noble osprey]

Im lvl 78 so thats why i probably havent reached those stages yet

[unique lantern]

ye, but at that point you also dont have the 400 cubes for the pulls unless you swipe

[storm heron]

wait what 10 coins per oil spend

more like 6.8 coins per oil spent

[unique lantern]

event URs have a 1.2% chance so unless you are unlucky if you save your cubes and gold you can get every UR comfortably, the only UR i havent gotten since i started playing was kronshtadt because i was spamming cubes like a madman then

[fiery raptor]

what's the difference between maps during clearing and after clear, if both is at lethal, does the post clear lethal get debuffed?

[frank pulsar]

even if youre unlucky youll get every ur if you play everyday

[unique lantern]

eh im getting around 8k coins from a triple run of 12-4 which costs me 900 or something oil, unless coin/oil doesnt rise in world 15 10 sounds right

[storm heron]

If you think Musashi matters to you, then I strongly suggest calculating
With the amount of oil you have left, can you multiply that by 4.4 and get pity?
If not, do w12 and keep pulling until you get musashi, after then you can worry about event points

[unique lantern]

every time you clear a map the difficulty sinks (i think 2% dmg reduction per run if im not mistaken) up to a limit

[storm heron]

simply cap

[fiery raptor]

throwing my hat in to "get musashi the best you can" bunch

[storm heron]

if you have data that shows you get 10 coin/oil then I will act nicer

[faint cloud]

15-4 is even lesser than 12-4

[manic sable]

what are some other good emulators for AL? blueatack has been crashing/restarting for me lately

[narrow ibex]

im looking at samheart's operation siren fleetbuilding guide and it says to ideally have at least one of howe and duke of york in the BB fleet for support. Whats the reason why

[unique lantern]

if the crashes happen when you open the sirius thing, yeee that happens to me every second time i try to open it on ldplayer (and the game massively slows down over longer periods of time) so its not just bluestack

[rare wyvern]

My BlueStacks seems to be living stuck at 30 FPS

[manic sable]

awwww....that sucks

[unique lantern]

if google does their thing azur lane will soon be available on the desktop version of google play, maybe then we will have a stable pc experience

[wind hazel]

it's just an example, not necessarily a must to use them

[manic sable]

That would be nice if they do!

[hollow gust]

It's closer to 6k per 3 12-4 run

[rose cosmos]

It is ok to just get all the gem 1$ packs rite

[glass quest]

On which ships is the Triple 460mm actually useful considering it's long reload time?

[crimson glacier]

none usually

[hollow gust]

It's less about ship but more what you are doing with them

[sharp socket]

the 200 gems for $1 is best value in there, the rest is up to you

[hollow gust]

460 is most often used in hybrid fleets to sync BBs with CVs in specific circumstances

[glass quest]

alr sounds about right, thanks

[hollow gust]

So for most of the player base , never

[crimson glacier]

basically during the 2 ish years or how ever long has it been since original musashi run, there probably has been like, less than 5 fights that ever used it lol

and its not like you need it for those anyway

[hollow gust]

It's only meta fights where it's used , and that's done with slowing down CVs. That thing is so pissslow you need to decrease CV rld too

[glass quest]

I currently use it on UvH as a general gun, what other gun is recommandable (except of triple 406mm)? It honestly requires too much time

[sharp socket]

champagne gun/mk6

[rose cosmos]

Those tlr skins also gonna cost 1200 right?

[crimson glacier]

its fine on uvh, but 457 is stronger even on her

[sharp socket]

theyre not l2d or dynamic so expected to be lower

[unique lantern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(16"/45_Mk_6)#Type_3-0
first one against heavy and medium, second against light

[leaden garden]

is Prototype 203mm No.3 Naval gun Mount good??

[velvet slate]

Georgia gun is great for pretty much everything outside or requiring synching and even synching you can do it manually anyways. just an hour ago as 30k damage short of 1 shotting nagato meta with tripple georgia

[hollow gust]

Oneshotting is meh now , support barrage is coming online

[velvet slate]

two earlier fights, with georgia guns on all 3 battleships, both fights would've been 1 shot victories if helena would've activated her radar scan 3 times instead of just 2.

so yeh the gun is pretty great in spite of people hating on it for no reason

[crimson glacier]

so you did around 1.2m dmg

[hollow gust]

No one hates on the gun? That gun is far more useful as a mob gun then for sync

[crimson glacier]

and what are you even on about, no one is hating on georgia gun

did you just want excuse to flex or whats going on

[hollow gust]

Not being good at meta fights or operation siren arbiter is fine

[hollow gust]

~~poor flex tho, can't kill with Helena ~~

[crimson glacier]

well clearly they are proud

[raven marsh]

is there a consensus on what the best 4 fleets of opsi are atm

[storm heron]

lmao

[crimson glacier]

no

[hollow gust]

Most stuff work , no need for BIS

[velvet slate]

plenty of people do, and that result ws with the worst UR bb in the game according to some scrub torva , who i presume is the one who tries to replies but ive blocked him lmfao

[raven marsh]

just curious for my own sake, im not trying to advocate for everything needs to be BiS or something

[rare wyvern]

Oh no, not again

[crimson glacier]

rent free

[hollow gust]

It's dependent on your preferences , one person's BIS is different then another

[velvet slate]

but nayways point is Georgia gun si a great gun to try get

[crimson glacier]

my man is fighting ghosts in his head

[sharp socket]

goose just send him your opsi fleets, its probably the best ones knowing you

[raven marsh]

then is it possible to tell me the options for BiS

[crimson glacier]

URs

[raven marsh]

or yeah just give me what you guys use

[hollow gust]

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove? You couldn't oneshot a meta boss despite

1. having Helena
2. Crit fishing
3. having UR BBs
4. Manualing

The reason the 457 isn't preferred is that it doesn't work well with Helena , manualing isn't a preferable option for 95% of the player base. 457 is the best option for mobbin content, a much worse option for single target bosses and that's perfectly fine . It doesn't need to excel at everything

[crimson glacier]

i just think showing ppl fleets like these doesnt have much use

im probably not even close to bis anyway, and opsi still is a joke

[raven marsh]

ah so what is the bis

[crimson glacier]

how should i know

[unique lantern]

finally completed the runs 💤 i read somewhere that 11-1 is the best for coins? wasnt sure, ive never looked into coin efficiency so i ran that but its awful compared to 12-4? anyways
in 12-4 i get over 6000 average clear rewards with 700 sprinkled in from other rewards per 3, for a total of lets say 6.6k for 951 per 3 (over 6.9/oil)
in 11-1 i got 4200 total for a cost 801 per 3 (just over 5.2/oil)

sooo my guesstimated were somewhat off, but i didnt know later stages didnt give more rewards... like they should, i started farming ship exp at 12-4 on recommendation long ago so i didnt know coins were shit in late stages

[crimson glacier]

its not worth testing whats the best opsi fleets

when UR combos stomp all over it

[velvet slate]

helena didnt proc her scan all 3 times or it would've been a 1 shot. And the point was that even if the gun doesn't automatically synch, the fights where u do actually need to synch are far and in between which can be alleviated by manualing (which literally takes 1 min). whats so hard to understad?

[storm heron]

13-4 best coins

[unique lantern]

13-4 gives more than 12-4? can it be run on auto with mediocre ships (for leveling purposes) ?

[crimson glacier]

wouldnt even have been 1 shot with helena since it uses support barrage

[raven marsh]

ok let me rephrase the question, is there a bis for anti-light, medium and heavy fleets

[sharp socket]

if it works it works is how i go about it

[crimson glacier]

those 3 fleets do everything for me in opsi

light armor gets destroyed by AP guns anyway when you have URs

[storm heron]

700 sprinkled in from other rewards per 3
sorry how? anyways the data sample about n 200 from Celerio suggest that it is closer to 6.8/oil

[crimson glacier]

and if it doesnt then carriers destroy all armors so

[unique lantern]

low sample size, got 3 rolls over 200 each

[storm heron]

yes, so now do you know why I am mad when you says 10 per oil?

[hollow gust]

The point is that other guns sync without the need for manual intervention? It has been tested that 457 is worse then regular options for single target bossing. And when you manual you gain damage bonus , which is a massive amp.

[sharp socket]

im pretty sure the 11-1 is about best XP efficiency not coin efficiency

[whole crypt]

the problem is not just armour type, there's also the issue of timing when it comes to harb mods, and either way you don't get anything much trying to minmax past a certain point

[unique lantern]

it was a guesstimate

[velvet slate]

show me those tests, cuz i dont take your word as worth of anything without proof

[storm heron]

it's alright, just be careful with numbers especially if there are too far of the actual things (we probably have a lot of data to check if all things make sense)

[velvet slate]

the only break down ive seen between champy gun and georgia gun was a 10 min analysis with spreadsheet displayed where georgia comes on top provided you synch it manually

[crimson glacier]

how does nerffing georgia guns reload speed make it better lol

[velvet slate]

champy gun makes things easier due to to not requiring to manual those rare situations but not objectively the better choice, again, based on the analysis ive seen

[sharp socket]

457 does have a lower ceiling in meta fights from my testing, and champagne guns with sufficient rld to perform 3.5/4 strike can do better

[crimson glacier]

to be fair 457 can do better if your tech doesnt allow you to 4 shot with mle

[wind hazel]

[raven marsh]

hmm, can you explain what should be the main purpose of each of the 4 fleets in opsi

[unique lantern]

what is going on

[wind hazel]

relog your game

[crimson glacier]

the usual AL jank, just restart

[whole crypt]

you get 4 slots to do anything you want, there's nothing that says the slots need to be specific roles

[hollow gust]

But people don't sync manually, why is that hard to understand . The reason why every other gun is use is so that people don't need to manual . A fraction of the player base uses manual .

457 is only better when you can actually run the additional salvo

[sharp socket]

thats what i did and my testing showed me those results, i got 2 shot meta fight 100% of the time with 457s and only 75% of the time with champagne guns on 0 rld

[leaden garden]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_203mm_(3rd_Year_Type_No._3_Prototype)
is this good?

[wind hazel]

no

[sharp socket]

this was on nagato meta before supporting barrage ramped up

like over a month ago

[whole crypt]

if you're "syncing" manually you're shooting yourself in the foot by giving up on 457's advantage of speed

[hollow gust]

That's just jank asf

[crimson glacier]

sounds kinda pointless test, both guns should do easy 2 shot 100% of the time

[whole crypt]

and 457 does less alpha than champagne gun without doubt

[hollow gust]

The fact that you can't two shot with champagne means something is really off

[sharp socket]

it did get easier when i +13’ed more stuff but helena didnt like proccing

[quartz jungle]

Is Eldridge or Sirius tankier given Sirius has got Eldridge's buff

[crimson glacier]

so you used helena too? that makes your tests even less reliable

unless you include only battles with identical procs

[sharp socket]

i did do that yes

[crimson glacier]

and both guns should do easy 2 shot without helena so

[cobalt rapids]

Sirius should tank regardless coz she can die off

[wind hazel]

just use what's best for you 👍🏼

[velvet slate]

but it can be synched manually.... not doing it and being impossible are not the same concept. how is that so hard to understand? nevermind the fact that again manualing 2 min per day is not the end of the world especially when the gun is better for pretty much everything else besides that rare situation

[crimson glacier]

whats the use for syncing manually? the less dmg?

[sharp socket]

the breakpoint i looked for was to see which one crossed 710k more often

[whole crypt]

what are you even syncing 457 to, because if you're syncing it to Helena then you're just wasting time

[gilded carbon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_305mm_(SK_C/39_Prototype)#CB_Variant-0

[sharp socket]

and 457 crossed it 100% of the time and champagne gun did not 100% of the time

[whole crypt]

457 does less damage than champagne gun per salvo

[crimson glacier]

thats just your bad fleets then

[gilded carbon]

i got a gun to craft? Is this one decent for its, small, class of ships?

[crimson glacier]

there is no world where mle cant do 700k consistently

[sharp socket]

yea i didnt have ply during my testing so i just used sandy

[cobalt rapids]

Dont bother crafting it

[wind hazel]

the CB gun yes

[sharp socket]

i included that in my notes somewhere too

[wind hazel]

BB gun no, don't bother

[cobalt rapids]

Oh wait thats aegir gun

[wind hazel]

indeed agir gun worth

[gilded carbon]

yes, as a CB-Gun

[hollow gust]

457 is literally worse then champagne per strike , the only way it wins is firing more salvos . So I find your reasoning pretty confusing especially if you are syncing to Helena . If both guns have same amount of salvos and synced to Helena then champange just doesn't lose 457

[cobalt rapids]

Yea what mori said

[crimson glacier]

what isnt that odin gun

[unique lantern]

im 60% done with my second ply gun, first one is on ply, who would have the highest prio for the second one i get?

[wind hazel]

they have the same name

[cobalt rapids]

I looked at embedded img aswell

[gilded carbon]

i could only craft the CB-version^^

[sharp socket]

i thought agir gun is the one in pr4

[crimson glacier]

agir is pr4 so agir gun is also pr4

[unique lantern]

ägir gun was from event, no?

[wind hazel]

nyo

[sharp socket]

that one is kron gun

[crimson glacier]

guam gun was event

[cobalt rapids]

They share name so it has 2 ver

[sharp socket]

the 305 B-50 is kron gun

[wind hazel]

your BB

[unique lantern]

oh the bis for ägir is kron?

[crimson glacier]

guam gun is bis for all CB

[cobalt rapids]

Guam gun for heavy and medium

[sharp socket]

i assume he meant latest, i have no idea what guam gun is

[cobalt rapids]

The rainbow cb gun

[crimson glacier]

its the rainbow

[whole crypt]

guam gun or alaska gun is the only rainbow CB gun out there

[unique lantern]

i meant this one

[sharp socket]

that one is kron gun

[crimson glacier]

thats kronkker

[whole crypt]

that's Kronshtadt's gun

[sharp socket]

i did get it right

[velvet slate]

if we are talking about a majority of situation, than Champy gun wont have the same number of shots because is considerably slower. Now if you played for years upon years and have tech coming out your ass, maybe thats' true, im not anywhere close to that as ive played just for slightly over a year.

So your assumption is flat out unaplicable for the vast majority of players imo

[hollow gust]

If you are personally manual 457 compared to auto champagne then you are just rigging the data . You get a big fat bonus if you aim your gun, it was like a 25% boost to damage , hardly fair comparison

[crimson glacier]

how does faster reload speed matter when you are manually syncing?

[hollow gust]

But you are syncing to Helena , why would number of salvos mean anything, Helena could only proc a certain amount of times

[whole crypt]

you realize most UR BBs are too fast when you have max tech and champagne guns sync fine without max tech?

[wind hazel]

zamn im the bystander today

[raven marsh]

I feel like this server could benefit from having a separate optimization/testing/math channel for these types of discussions instead of doing it here lol

[wind hazel]

this is the maths channel

[whole crypt]

normally if a mod was around we'd be told to go do it in a thread or something

[crimson glacier]

i mean this is just a case of one person being too stupid to see they are wrong, and also too stubborn to give up

[sharp socket]

457 for bossing loses its value the longer the fight goes for, because it desyncs with helena and will only have marginally more strikes than champagne gun which syncs to helena for about 4 minutes before desyncing which is long enough

[crimson glacier]

its not always like this

[wind hazel]

lies, it's always like this

[crimson glacier]

its only like this when its like this

[whole crypt]

he's arguing he can "manually sync" 457, casually ignoring champagne gun syncs fine without max tech and does more damage per salvo

[sharp socket]

457 for mobbing in high campaign however is the best because of more med/heavy armor enemies and desync being preferred

[wind hazel]

isn't it preferable because higher shelling uptime

[hollow gust]

Also doesn't Helena 4th radar scan start like 2 seconds before meta battle end

[whole crypt]

he's making it downtime by manually waiting for Helena with 457

[sharp socket]

well thats just bad

[hollow gust]

So either way you are only getting 3 full scans of Helena with both guns no matter what

[whole crypt]

at least if I understand right

[sharp socket]

also too much effort, when auto comps work

[wind hazel]

@pilica defend your georgia gun wtf where are you when the world needed you

[crimson glacier]

its 4 seconds before end

[velvet slate]

for meta fights the so called downtime is pretty much 4-5 seconds in total and you can get the 4th volley in regardless. The first volley will synch naturally. 2nd volley u can delay shooting by 3 seconds and still shoot your 3rd and 4th volley regardless of tech. So with lower tech you will release 1 more volley than with champy gun albeit the third one will only have part of the volley benefit of the third synch

[gilded carbon]

hmm. I also got to craft these ones. Rocket-Fighters? Who do i use them on
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109G_(Carrier-based_Prototype)#Type_0-0

[hollow gust]

We can make several assumptions

1. You sync both guns to sg radar Helena
2. Which means you are getting 3 full scans of radar
3. You have low rld

With these assumptions then you can conclude champange gun is just better. 3 buffed champange gun is flat better then 3 buffed +1 unbuffed salvo 457.

If you desync your 457 away from Helena , then it just loses outright no matter what.

[sharp socket]

considering it takes like 8 seconds for all BBs to fire and shells to land its like a 3.5 strikes at best with champagne/sidegrades

[wind hazel]

use it when you're fighting med armor bosses in opsi/meta showdown etc

[crimson glacier]

its the same time for 457 tho

[wind hazel]

in campaign you can just skip it

[hollow gust]

Helena's last radar is basically unusable , even if your 457 is faster they can't take advantage of it

[gilded carbon]

the Community-Tierlist lists them on most Carriers as an option somewhere in the mid-field

[velvet slate]

no u dont, even you get 3rd and 4th volley completely desynched you will still do more dmage than just getting a third volley synched with campy gun

[crimson glacier]

barrages work fine with 4th helena tho

[sharp socket]

for non bossing content you can just go with bomber fighters and parallel TBs

[whole crypt]

can low tech + delay even fire and land 4th volley reliably with 457

[wind hazel]

yes it's a rocket fighter, used for bossing. dont use in campaign

[inner delta]

the placement on there is not determining the tier of the gear

[hollow gust]

If you are delaying your 457s you aren't taking full advantage of 457s speed...

[sharp socket]

for bossing content with a slow/stop then bf109 is good for light

[hollow gust]

You literally won't be able to fire all the shells on time

[gilded carbon]

so, on a stop-ability Carrier like AvP?

[inner delta]

ya

[hollow gust]

There was a reason qyuet was getting memed on for his 457 manual runs

[gilded carbon]

Dragon-Lady with the Grail-Knights name. Done- Thank oyu all

[errant fog]

So my new player fren just got heinrich, he also got chikuma. Now that there these 2 good tanks, he doesn't need portland i guess? So which is better for mobbing and bossing fleet?

[velvet slate]

bruh thats literally what i did in those tests, I had the 1st volley synched, the 2nd volley delayed by 3 seconds and still synched, 3rd and 4th volley were not synched because well helena didnt proc but if she did the third volley would've benefit from helena scan halfway through it. And the 4th volley still had time to shoot

[sharp socket]

yes
on avp specifically it also fulfills her skill condition so you can have more flexibility for her TB

[wind hazel]

portland is still cheaper and needed for rookie mission, but he can raise heinrich for 2nd fleet when he has excess gold bulin i guess

[whole crypt]

if you're manually delaying 457 by 3s you might as well just use champagne wtf

[gilded carbon]

true

[velvet slate]

and my tech is not high enough to shoot 4 champy volleys

[whole crypt]

which BBs are you even using

[velvet slate]

not how math works, because is 3 additional seconds for each volley not just a 3 second difference between champy and georgia

[crimson glacier]

alsace NJ and soyuz

[errant fog]

Im gonna make him suffer first, thanks

[crimson glacier]

so pretty slow reload BBs for sure 🙂

[hollow gust]

You are jamming multiple BBs and you wonder why you can't get a majority of 4th salvo off for champange

[whole crypt]

you're right about one thing, it'snot a 3s difference, it's less, you're literally delaying for longer than it takes to reload champagne gun

[opaque gate]

sea hornet or flapjack?

[crimson glacier]

wtf is that the current font on CN

[whole crypt]

recent JP font change, I know it's ugly

[hollow gust]

I like it ngl

[wind hazel]

flap

[whole crypt]

same comparison with BB rld turned to 0, keeping in mind soyuz has rld buff

[hollow gust]

Pretty sure your BBs are getting jammed too cause you aren't syncing correctly

Cause in anything Helena sync related , champange just doesn't lose

[gilded carbon]

Is this acceptable for her? I need to craft a scepter for her when i have the Mats and the Zeppelin-thing needs to be exchanged too

[hollow gust]

Depends on your other CVs but that should work

[whole crypt]

augments aren't really that important, but the planes will depend on what you're doing and the rest of the CVs you need to sync with

[gilded carbon]

i use her with Amagi CV and Enterprise, they start in order: Amagi, AvP, Enty

freezing Boss and all converging torps hit

[hollow gust]

Well I don't know your exact situation but if it's in that order and relatively close then it work an

[gilded carbon]

yes, very close. hard to see AvP between Amagi blinkinh out and Enty appearing for launch-animations ^^

[whole crypt]

all 3 carriers need to launch in quick succession for the stop to work for all of them

[raven marsh]

is shangri-la with augment equal to enty in dps?

[hollow gust]

Lmao no

Full proc Enty is in UR CV category for DPS , they don't belong in the same group

[whole crypt]

wasn't shangri-la aug just comparable with enty including if not all proc and only on light armour or something

[raven marsh]

yea i meant on average

[spring bolt]

since no one rerolls enty proc every time he uses her, her average dps is similar to srl with aug

[raven marsh]

so if i never want to bother resetting than srl is better right? for consistency

[rare wyvern]

Purple triple 406 is a good alrernative when you have no other HE guns for your BBs right ?

[whole crypt]

better still may be just not using both of them, but that will depend on your comp in whole

[raven marsh]

rn im using yk2 enty and avp, and i do wanna upgrade to yk2 kearsarge avp but i dont have d30 on kear yet

[whole crypt]

ehhh if both are raised and you already made the aug then go for it I guess

if you have to raise shangri-la separately and make the aug now then it's probably not worth the effort

[little geyser]

Is this good?

[crimson glacier]

nope

[little geyser]

Alright good to know thank you 😊

[keen mural]

After I clear everything in Opsi with the spare energy I just spam corruption 6 maps?

[crimson glacier]

corruption 5

[spring bolt]

c3 > c5 > others for gold plates

but c3 is time consuming irl

[twin isle]

This is the first time I can't beat SP/EX in auto mode, even at manual I can't beat boss today, yesterday I beat her, what am I doing wrong ?

[crimson glacier]

i guess you mean just EX

[quartz jungle]

If you have all the time in the world then c1

[whole crypt]

C1 is just for more AP but the cat node rates are dogshit

[hollow gust]

Well that frontline is glass in EX, use your anchorage , Jeanne , Laffey 2s

[spring bolt]

why would you do ex every day? it has no rewards after first clear

[twin isle]

Dang, mb, I wrongly tapped hard mode

[quartz jungle]

Yeah I mean for the AP not cat node

You have to switch to C3/C5 eventually

[raven marsh]

does anyone have a plane setup for yk2 enty and avp to get all their airstrikes to sync?

[spring bolt]

c1 has literally 0 gold plate

[twin isle]

I don't have anchorage , Jeanne , Laffey 2s yet

[quartz jungle]

C1 can get you positive AP investment through Akashi if you play it long enough, also basically free exp

[sharp socket]

c3 has more gold plates but slower AP spending, c5 has more gold mats and faster

[velvet slate]

if you are willing to manual just use some tanky ships in your vanguard and stay to the left side of the screen, try to dodge as best as you can waiting for your backline to charge its attacks. Thats what worked for me with just using plymouth in vanguard (and shes anything but tanky) for EX

try giving yourself some movement auxiliaries if you have trouble moving out of the way of stuff, or some hp auxiliarises if you can dodge most stuff but find yourself dying

[whole crypt]

well most people want to have less grind in OS, not more, so the AP cope isn't really a thing for them

[twin isle]

Thanks for the tips

[upbeat wagon]

How do you access the SP and EX stages

[sharp socket]

im not sure if c3 cat nodes can have UR designs but it probably does, just very low chance

[whole crypt]

clear D3

[spring bolt]

as far as i have seen, c1 doesn't generate ap, the income and cost are roughly equal, it's just a place to convert your opsi coins into ship/cmdr exp

[upbeat wagon]

3 star needed?

[quartz jungle]

Yes which is why I striked my answer

[whole crypt]

no

[upbeat wagon]

Cool ty

[sharp socket]

c1 does generate AP if you grind it forever

[keen mural]

Yeah I think I need more gold mats since I'm still going for 2nd wyvern and need a lot

[sharp socket]

or are also lucky, considering its just rng

[pearl quarry]

How do I get 5 star weapon?
And what the best way to get affection for character

[whole crypt]

weapon rarity != good

[noble osprey]

Is this item a must have on Chang Chun?

[sharp socket]

yes, bis aux for ddg

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment you might want to look through this and not look at rarity on gear
best way to grind affinity is to just use the ship

[pearl quarry]

How does it work?

[whole crypt]

in basically any fight that costs oil ships that are in the battle earns a bit of affinity

[upbeat wagon]

Should i use retrofit nelson or pennsylvania?

[pearl quarry]

Like 1?

[whole crypt]

like 0.0625

[pearl quarry]

...

[upbeat wagon]

If mvp she gets double

[pearl quarry]

Alright

[sharp socket]

its 16 battles for 1 affinity, so only 800 battles

[pearl quarry]

I might need edit my team

[whole crypt]

it's not exactly 0.0625 but it's roughly 16 fights for 1 point of affinity if not MVP

[sharp socket]

it takes like a week if you grind often

[leaden garden]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_40mm_Bofors_Hazemeyer#Type_0-0
is this good?

[whole crypt]

it takes half a day if you tryhard

[whole crypt]

usable for BBs before you have enough STAAGs to go around

[exotic ginkgo]

These two guns, if I give them to Vanguard, and do not consider any other factors like timing of something, which one is better? or what are the conditions to use each.

[leaden garden]

Okay Thank you

[crimson glacier]

both are pretty bad on vanguard

[whole crypt]

depends on where you're using Vanguard and who you're using her with but both are usually a bad idea

[crimson glacier]

unless you have 2 other 457s

[pearl quarry]

Do I need to edit my team?

[hollow gust]

It takes you a week for 50 affinity ? Jeez

[hollow gust]

Bye Eugen and Musashi

In goes , unicorn and starter dd

[exotic ginkgo]

Enlighten me.

[pearl quarry]

Replace with?

[exotic ginkgo]

Why?

[hollow gust]

?

[whole crypt]

wasn't it around 12+ hours with MVP and 2/F dorm

[crimson glacier]

460 is pretty bad in general, and 457 is a fast gun, vangaurd is already one of the fastest BBs so giving her a fast gun on top just makes her too fast compared to other BBs

[pearl quarry]

So edit or no?

[sharp socket]

2 morale per battle, 60 battles for 120 morale, (roughly) 120 battles for 2x12 sortie sessions a day, 800 battles needed so its about a week yes

[hollow gust]

Yeah around that

[whole crypt]

the main issue is you prefaced with not caring about timing, but a large part of Vangaurd's package is syncing to amp other BB damage

[hollow gust]

I finish oath like 2-3 hours before reset

[pearl quarry]

Is my team good or nah

[sharp socket]

this is also assuming i have enough oil to sortie that much daily, which i dont, so its more like 2 weeks

[exotic ginkgo]

Don't consider others, just raw damage.

[whole crypt]

1-1C costs very little oil if you tryhard

[tame jungle]

Goose already replied with what you should do

[hollow gust]

It should look like this , replace z23 with whatever starter dd you picked first. And yes the order matters

[pearl quarry]

Ok

[whole crypt]

raw damage where though, gearing context is always got to do with what you're fighting, even a purple gun can be better than both rainbow guns if you're picking the right/wrong fights

[sharp socket]

im not an affinity minmaxer anyway cause i dont farm oaths

so i recommended a normal kind of timeframe for 50 affinity

[hollow gust]

But yeah you can max 200 affinity a ship in 2-3 days . Not really that hard

My Alsace was done the day after her event came

[exotic ginkgo]

Siren bosses, Meta showdowns.

[velvet slate]

considering the goal of the gun and who are your other ships is super important when it comes to vanguard. Vanguard raw damage is not that high to begin and if she's not properly synched to boost the other battleships you are wasting a great chunk of vanguard's potential.

[pearl quarry]

Thx for the help!

[exotic ginkgo]

I know, just don't, consider I don't have other good BBs.

[pearl quarry]

Anyway what the order should be for the team

[whole crypt]

siren bosses will depend on which boss
current showdown is heavy armour so AP guns work, but like starlion said trying to max vangaurd's damage by herself is a bad idea

[hollow gust]

Vanguard has one of the the strongest damage amplifier in the game , even if she is buffing shitter it's still be worth

[hollow gust]

My dude , I literally showed you a picture

[pearl quarry]

Alright

[hollow gust]

I put it in exact order

[spring bolt]

funny thing is that 0lb musa dps is higher than warkai on paper, i believe using her 0lb at low level is totally fine

[velvet slate]

so who will you use her with?

[exotic ginkgo]

I see Musashi gun has higher ratio to heavy armor but twin 457 shoot faster, and Vanguard has a barrage, so I'm not sure which is better.

[whole crypt]

I don't disagree if your alternative is a 1 or 2 LB Pennsylvania in early game

[velvet slate]

musashi also has a barrage and a pretty strong one as well. having musashi benefit from vanguard's buff will be very beneficial for you

[exotic ginkgo]

Don't have Musashi.

[hollow gust]

Even vanguard is way too slow with the 460s

[whole crypt]

at this point you might want to start a thread and let us help you sort out that boss comp

[crimson glacier]

focusing on vanguards dmg is just bad idea, she is the lowest personal dps UR by a mile

[whole crypt]

it makes no sense just telling you which gun to use on Vanguard because neither will give you good results

[spring bolt]

also having musa simply means easy mode to 1 fleet to ch 12, best time for new players now

[whole crypt]

wait July next year new player reroll/whale for instant Musashi

[velvet slate]

u would make the question so much easier if u posted a screenshot with the battleships you currently have available 😅

[exotic ginkgo]

No no no, it's just a simple question! raw damage for Vanguard against middle and heavy armor, no other things considered.😂

[crimson glacier]

vanguard is shit at raw dmg

just use what you want if you dont care about the result

[spring bolt]

raw damage wise 460 is higher, if that's all you need to know

[whole crypt]

you can try using both guns in turn, and see which works better for you, chances are you won't see much difference

[hollow gust]

Uses 460 to only fire 2 salvos and be completely useless

[whole crypt]

we can't give you a better answer if you're not really trying to set up the fleet properly

[mystic topaz]

Umm..for farming event currency, oil-wise, is it worth trying to farm daily A and B nodes or can I stick to just farming Cs and Ds

[hollow gust]

Meh waste of time

[whole crypt]

abyssals will be different everytime but you can probably test it on arb and showdowns quite consistently

[wind hazel]

if your fleet is still relatively new, then farm d1 d2 daily, grind d3

[exotic ginkgo]

So 457's shoot faster won't coalition with Vanguard's barrage, and middle and heavy armor ratio difference doesn't matter?

[whole crypt]

AB is with daily bonus is oil efficient but if you don't want to waste time just do the hard daily bonus then grind D3

[velvet slate]

D3 due to oil cap. But doing once a day D1 and D2, and, C1 through C3 (altho you should do do these with 2 ships) and only for the daily multiplier

[spring bolt]

if you can do lv1 ranger + ddg and have a strong crossfleet, A and B has great pt value

[wind hazel]

[exotic ginkgo]

The thing is if 460 is not good, I won't bother spend gold plates to enhance it.

[hollow gust]

Farming with low cost fleets is technically more efficient, but most players can't be assed

[pearl quarry]

Hey @hollow gust what should I replace the new Ur with?

[wind hazel]

ddg alone is a waste of oil for A and B

[mystic topaz]

won't L1 ranger be in danger of dying easily?

[whole crypt]

don't +13 rainbow guns if you don't know what you're doing

[hollow gust]

It's not good for 95% of the player base

[whole crypt]

if you already enhanced 457 then just use it

[spring bolt]

vangaurd barrage damage isn't high, and as others mentioned, you use her to buff other bbs
so yes, 460 will have better raw damage
but that's not a valid reason to +13 it, just keep it at +10

[whole crypt]

A/B is just fresh ranger + 0LB common DD, works fine up to B1 at least

[noble osprey]

Guys thia 2.4Mil exp is taking me forever, is there any way to speed it up? My other Iron Blood ships are terrible and underleveled so I have no reason to use them in my fleets

[sharp socket]

you farm the cdc with iron blood ships

[whole crypt]

use ships that actually count for the XP
do the grind on a good XP place like ch12

[wind hazel]

use current event to raise them

[hollow gust]

Dude I gave you an exact fleet , what are you replacing

At this point read this , https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[exotic ginkgo]

If 460 is better even for 1%, I might +13 it.

[velvet slate]

in the vast majority of cases it wont be

[mystic topaz]

which two ships would be a good recommendation?

[whole crypt]

1% is not worth 360 gold plates

and chances are it will be worse for your case

[hollow gust]

~~tbf that's what we do lmao ~~

We maxed stuff even if it's marginal gain

[spring bolt]

A and B are easy enough, with double survival auxes, lv1 ranger will be fine
and as nntktt mentioned, you can use lv70 0lb mahan as vangaurd instead of ddg to save more oil, but normally you don't have one i guess

[whole crypt]

actually I enhance first ask questions later
it's why I didn't have the plates for VIT-2s after making my La-9

[velvet slate]

any 2 ships that can clear the stage without dying, and almost any high level ship will do. So the less Oil u can afford to use on the ships the better. You can probably do it with a really strong vanguard and a cheap (oil wise) backliner that is enough to survive

[pearl quarry]

I guess rarity doesn't matter does it?

[hollow gust]

Smh do you not have any blanks

[crimson glacier]

higher rarity means more oil cost

[exotic ginkgo]

I only care Vanguard, nothing else, and I have 825 spare gold plates.

[whole crypt]

spent

[crimson glacier]

800 is nothing if you waste 360 on garbage

[whole crypt]

look, the simplest answer is neither gun will be consistently better than the other, and there's no way we can tell you more

[spring bolt]

also tested in CN, lv1 ranger can go up to c2, not sure if 0lb lv70 mahans can hold, as CN 0lb limit is lv100

[whole crypt]

yeh JP/EN can't do that

[hollow gust]

How wtf , I maxed a spearfish for shits and giggles and still had enough for 3 vit2s and la-9

[hollow gust]

Hey we don't get white smoke , we are winning

[whole crypt]

I too, maxed a spearfish for shits and giggles, and probably more planes than I should be

[velvet slate]

for vanguard imo that yamato gun is probably one of the worst guns you can possibly give her tbh so if vanguard is all you care about, just forget you even have that gun

[whole crypt]

457 will generally cause less harm than yamato gun yeh

[hollow gust]

I don't even use these

I could've maxed 2 plyguns instead of these sacks of shit

460 has been used more

[exotic ginkgo]

I don't know how to express it. Look, this is my London's loadouts, each gun in there are good at one armor type, so I +13 all of them and interchangeably use them depends on the target armor, but for 457 and 460 for Vanguard, it seems not that straightforward anymore, so I asked.

[mystic topaz]

hmm, i don't think i have any of these ddg, what's the most accessible one? also what are mahans?

[wind hazel]

i emote laugh at you then i checked my own depot and realize i did the same shit

[crimson glacier]

yeah and both of those guns are in general shit for vanguard

atleast you only have meh gear on lodnon

[wind hazel]

you can use unicorn+DD starter, granted they are high level

[hollow gust]

Maybe it's cause BB weapons are fleet reliant no matter how insistent you are of just playing solo

[sharp socket]

for vanny she works best with other BBs, so her gear is dependent on the others you’re using her with

[hollow gust]

On just vanguard she can have over half a dozen different best in slot hear

[wind hazel]

you know, i dont think it matters for him. he's clearly playing for waifu

[whole crypt]

surprisingly I only have 1 +13 457, which might explain why I have enough gun pltes for a bunch of other guns
also probably some blanks went to my guns too

[hollow gust]

Ewww fucking bb mains

[wind hazel]

he just wants the best for Vanguard, the rest doesn't matter

[spring bolt]

do you have musa/alsace/soy/nj leveled?
if you have at least 2 of those 4 leveled, just use a vanguard ship with lowest oil cost. mahans are cassin and downes, they are tough and low cost.

[sharp socket]

scuffed example of my BB gear presets (not in order)

[wind hazel]

long story short just use your +13 457 🥹

[exotic ginkgo]

Shall I use 460 for heavy armor or 460 is also good for middle?

[whole crypt]

I said nothing about those guns being BB guns

[hollow gust]

Eewww upgrading CA guns

[crimson glacier]

with that loadout your dmg will be bad no matter which gun you use

[whole crypt]

across the board actually, I even bothered with 🌈 🦆

[crimson glacier]

just pick the one that looks cooler or something

[exotic ginkgo]

Is there other thing I need to change?

[crimson glacier]

yes, give the good gears to the ship that deal the dmg

[exotic ginkgo]

You still didn't get it.

[crimson glacier]

also yellow shell is just massive bait so try not to buy those anymroe

[sharp socket]

vanny personal damage is low compared to other UR BBs but her buff is what matters most

[exotic ginkgo]

Raw damage for Vanguard, don't consider others.

[turbid dawn]

Finally unlocked this after hitting everything dev30 already. Is it just a bit of a better version than the AP rocket plane? It seems about the same for light armour, then is much better for med-heavy

[whole crypt]

no, you don't get it, we already told you just stick with 457 and forget about it, won't get better anyway

[crimson glacier]

i know what you want, so i answered it, just pick what you wnat

[velvet slate]

he is trolling

people already gave him the answer at least 15 times by now

[sharp socket]

therefore its best to use her with other ships in a way that the she fires first, though she also has really high rld

[whole crypt]

if you're just looking for excuses to +13 460 go ahead, nothing is really going to improve what you're doing with Vangaurd if you're not bothering

[crimson glacier]

ppl dont want to give bad advice

[wind hazel]

it is BiS for med heavy

[hollow gust]

I'm broke on blanks too now

[crimson glacier]

and you are asking for ppl to make you do something stupid

[exotic ginkgo]

🤦‍♂️

[turbid dawn]

Is it fast enough on Kearsarge do you know? It seems to have a slow launch time

[spring bolt]

it's like a bf109g pro max plus, it has highest damage against med armor among all planes, and highest damage against heavy armor among all fighter planes. against light armor the hvar is still better

[wind hazel]

it is slow, yeah. have to adjust the sync

[turbid dawn]

I don’t have the Hvar so yeah I’ll just use it wherever I can

[hollow gust]

Well you can't adjust on keary, she doesn't really give a fuck when the fighter fires so it's fine

[opaque gate]

do i have to kill all mobs in strongholds?

[whole crypt]

you don't, but auto will do it for you

[spring bolt]

no but auto search will

[sharp socket]

technically no but auto does it anyway

[opaque gate]

so i shouldnt auto?

[whole crypt]

why not, they'll drop currency

[hollow gust]

Nah just auto it

[whole crypt]

there's no reason to skip the mobs

[spring bolt]

it doesn't take much time anyway

[wind hazel]

adjust as in adjust the fleet, not kearsarge, should have phrased it better

[mystic topaz]

nope, i just have musashi and just got her yesterday, so i don't think she'll be ready for this event.

but i see, okay, i'll try something like that.

I do know that these 2 ship comps tend to take a longer time to clear maps, so i'm really looking for a balance between oil, time and event currency, especially since my real life has quite a few commitments and all

[hollow gust]

Just do d3 lmao

[mystic topaz]

that did cross my mind

[spring bolt]

yeah, without crossfleet, just do d3

[hollow gust]

Like the low oil cost fleets are always for tryhards

[whole crypt]

even if you have crossfleet to spam low-costing isn't really worth the time for most people

[spring bolt]

tbh it's not a lot of work into it as you can copy fleets every event, and save like 50k oil
but it's your game, you decide it, not me

[whole crypt]

it's not so much work it takes to copy fleets, it's the time it takes to get the same amount of point, then use the saved oil on 12

[granite summit]

need some help since my memory is failing me for a thematic thing:

Fargo+Kearsarge+Admiral Nakhimov

Alsace? Who else?

[whole crypt]

I say this as someone who does B1 a fair bit, but when I'm busy I don't even actually spend the excess oil in time

[wind hazel]

wot

[whole crypt]

hi sam.

[plain saffron]

where sam

[vale spindle]

half retired half working

[storm heron]

what happened here

[frozen inlet]

Help with Daily raids & who to use Bulin on?

[storm heron]

gn cooper ender :smolmagisleep:

[calm panther]

Is musashi gun worth getting?

[whole crypt]

as with all event limited gear better to have and not need than need and not have, even if you don't have a comp to use it in

[frank pulsar]

if you play the game long enough youll eventually use it

[raven marsh]

how do i get the blue AA gun to eventually turn into the rainbow AA gun in gearlab?

[frank pulsar]

iris tech box from medal store

idr if theres other sources

[raven marsh]

oh god gambling on blue boxes

[whole crypt]

depending on where you're at in the game I may recommend buying PR2 prints for trash can instead of crafting up from blue, saves some electronics if you have spare proto cores

[frank pulsar]

its not that bad

[whole crypt]

the selection of gear is rather small but yeh

[mystic topaz]

speaking out of my experience as a new player, the longer part is getting the rainbow design prints than getting the AA from the blue boxes

[whole crypt]

not to mention the lab materials will often have priority with other gear first

[exotic ginkgo]

Loadouts For Vanguard (Read the Description)

[raven marsh]

you are right i immediately got 3 of them in 10 boxes

[whole crypt]

I assume you don't have spare proto cores

[raven marsh]

nope, still trying to buy out the rainbow prints from protocore shop

also what's the rainbow selector mat priority in gear lab? assuming im starting from zero, wyvern > what else?

[atomic abyss]

2 wyverns first
Then a 457, an mk7, and then a 100 Kai

[raven marsh]

the 457 is including the 50 prints from protocore?

[atomic abyss]

457 isnt especially high prio in protocore, still behind tenrai and champy guns

If you already have one, and intend to use Musashi as your mob BB immediately after MLB, yeah you could skip it

[raven marsh]

oh the 457 is used for mobbing?

i thought it's for med/heavy bossing only

[atomic abyss]

Well, 457 can be used for BB bossing, but it assumes you have more than a singular one to begin with

The thing is that most people chuck Helena on a BB boss fleet
457 timing doesn't work with her

On the other hand if you're talking about campaign bossing, that's why you have the one

[raven marsh]

ahh okay fair

[atomic abyss]

If Musashi is on mob, she won't use it anyways cos of her skill

[raven marsh]

twin 410 kai for mob musashi right?

[atomic abyss]

Well yes
Otherwise there's the izumo gun or the daisen gun

Aka Proto triple 410 (D3, Gear Lab) and proto twin 410 (PR7)

Those would be better on later maps

[raven marsh]

ok gotcha thanks

[rare wyvern]

Those good for AP ? I have one 457 and one Izumo aside

(Asking if they are good means, can I bring them on a heavy arbiter)

[undone plover]

Yes they are good vs heavy
There is also the 406mm/50mle 1938 which is a sidegrade to these 2

Izumo should be used on musashi

[rare wyvern]

My Musashi doesn't have the level for Arbiter yet

Only 100

[undone plover]

U can use the 457 with on your third BB then
Or get the gun I mentioned from protocore shop

It is in the series 3 blueprints
But u need 25 prints and can only buy 20/month

[rare wyvern]

Oh I'm poor on those BPs

I try to get the Ply gun, it's already quite slow

[undone plover]

U can also get it in gear lab but it is expensive there

[coarse heron]

I built a Georgia Gun in gear lab because I didn't want to do PR2 research for 6 months to get it

[rare wyvern]

I think I am gonna blow from needing to ask everytime the name that's not easy to remember, with the NUMBERS

I don't know the ship associated with the guns man, I swear

[coarse heron]

"use the Triple 406" "okay which one"

I actually missed one in that picture

[rare wyvern]

First one is Georgia gun right ?

[plush bone]

4th one
(Never)

[coarse heron]

Nope, the Georgia Gun is the Twin 457

it's the fastest shelling gun that pumps out ludicrous numbers at breakneck speeds reserved for barraging guns normally

[rare wyvern]

Yeah, I got one

But I guess for the AP side, I'll be safe

[coarse heron]

having more than 1 requires a lot of materials or a lot of dedication so that's fine

you don't really need more than 1

[rare wyvern]

I have a lot of carriers to fill my backlane

Or wait, do I

[coarse heron]

You'd normally be using 406 French (aka Champog Gun) anyway since it's better for skill syncs

[rare wyvern]

I am actually a slightly short of a good OPS backlane roster

Only enty 122 somewhere down there ready

[coarse heron]

I just use my CV fleet to kill everything in OpSi

[rare wyvern]

Finishing Champy and AvP is gonna cost me moneys that I NEED for PR5

[rare wyvern]

Well those mfers here do things fine but I dream of Hard Arbiter

Chkalov might be worth giving a bump up ? It's Fate 5

[bold stream]

Is there a purple AP sakura gun I can farm as new player?

[coarse heron]

it takes me 3-4 fleets to do Harbiter usually, but my CV fleet does like 50% of the Harbiter's HP

[bold stream]

For musashi, I am using the double barrel HE rn

[rare wyvern]

My vanguard usually fails miserably at living on hard Arbiters smh

[coarse heron]

Vanguard Hunter is a brutal boss skill yeah

[rare wyvern]

This one is worse, but previous hard arbiters were as lethal to me

[coarse heron]

I actually had to manual my CV fleet to desync from the boss shield so I could actually kill the Harbiter
they can be annoying

[rare wyvern]

Maybe grinding the last dev levels on Ply, Brest and Agir is gonna help

[coarse heron]

just do them anyway cause you still get rewards even if you don't kill them

[rare wyvern]

Unsure there is anything else than the AP triple barrel of Izumo and the event 460...

[wanton dawn]

is the best farming stage just the highest campaign stage?

[coarse heron]

uhhhh there's only 3 Sakura AP guns I can think of and 1 is the UR and not really advisable to use on Musashi to begin with

[bold stream]

So just use AP shells instead?

[coarse heron]

just use the Twin 410 Kai since most of her damage is from her stonks barrage anyway

[bold stream]

410 kai?

Okay thanks. i will check at gear lab

[coarse heron]

it costs like 20 cents in the gear lab

[rare wyvern]

Gear lab ain't a convenience store smh

[coarse heron]

this gun uses exclusively purple mats so it might as well be

[bold stream]

Is auto reloader better than the tower.. for masashi?

[keen mural]

Untill I hit lvl 100 cog array comes only from events?

[rare wyvern]

Monthly core shop and free battle pass I'm pretty sure

[noble osprey]

do you guys have a fleet of low cost ships so you can clear easy levels without a lot of oil?

[forest palm]

Unicorn, and a DDG, but then you also have oil cap so low cost fleets lose a lot of value

[coarse heron]

presumably he means for farming ships on non-oil cap maps

[muted mason]

Is it worth having amagi CV with akagi n kaga?

[hollow gust]

No Akaga is terrible

[forest palm]

Akaga is just bad

[barren tapir]

i do

[muted mason]

Can I go fox trio? Musashi flagship, with Shinano and Amagi? As vanguard: Azuma, Shimakaze and Unzen?

[hollow gust]

It would be mid asf but have fun

[forest palm]

sounds weak, but you could

[muted mason]

I'm not try hard, just want a nice Sakura fleet c:

[forest palm]

we don't care about faction fleets here

[hollow gust]

Pure fleets are just unoptimal

[muted mason]

I'm a Sakura skk

[forest palm]

#al-general

[muted mason]

[hollow gust]

If you want to sakura faction fleet I would swap out shima tho

[muted mason]

For who?

[hollow gust]

More damage : Kazegumo
More aa : shimanto

[barren tapir]

surely they can ask for help on it tho? even though all faction fleets are suboptimal there are still better and worse ones

[muted mason]

I need to research Shimanto but will do, tyvm

[hollow gust]

It's hard for a fleet to be bad when you have 3 backline URs

[vocal heart]

wait do we have bis fleet for mushashi? Like am just put my highest lv ship into fleet and don't care about faction at all

[hollow gust]

Musashi goes best in many fleets , its content dependent

[forest palm]

I mean it's be anti Heavy/Med so something like Bismarck Zwei, Musashi, Vanny/Soyuz miles may vary

[muted mason]

Well, my CV fleet is: Implacable, YK II and Amagi atm, it's going brrrrr on OPSI

For boss of course

[hollow gust]

Kinda ehh but workable I guess

[muted mason]

Its synched, so works just fine

I just need the air raid boost

[hollow gust]

Double sakura best in heavy , enty and Yorky excels much more in light