gameplay-help

[fiery raptor]

so when mog gets stabby, vanguard gets forced to close in while she rejoins? I generally haven't been paying attention too much

[viscid swift]

She pulls them closer which does help the torps actually target Nagato

[silent relic]

safe to dispose or use as enhancement most of my epic tier ships?

[soft raft]

some of them have good fleet tech
also keep in mind that some of them may be event limited if you care about collection

Most definetly not enhancement fodder, that's for sure

[hollow ridge]

guys how to increase your ship's affinity to complete 1 of the bond/oath's requirement?

[eager mulch]

use them in combat

[hollow ridge]

ok

[soft raft]

use the ship in battle
leftmost secretary slot also gets them up to 90 affinity

[silent relic]

suzumi and ayase then the sailing frigates those are the only ones i have

[soft raft]

Low prio tech + event limited, Decent on-obtain tech + event limited, and respectively

Also if those really are your only elites, then I hope your Helena and Unicorn are retrofitted, not scrapped

[silent relic]

Say i like collecting ships but i desperately need more space

Same goes for my unused SRs

[wind hazel]

buy more dockspace, or retire farmable ships like york, renown etc

[viscid swift]

buy more dock space with the gems you get as a free to play

[storm heron]

opsi cannot increase affinity right?

[silent relic]

aight then

[stiff oracle]

Need help. Which is the best stage to farm current event points?

[eager mulch]

D3

[viscid swift]

correct

[coarse heron]

Nope, it doesn’t cost morale either

[versed forum]

Which is the best gold ap gun for musashi? Champy/ Izumo/ Daisen

[storm heron]

.

[coarse heron]

Izumo I’d say. You don’t use non Sakura main guns on Musashi due to her skill

[viscid swift]

Daisen gun

[soft raft]

champy is immidieatly disqualified since it's french

[storm heron]

wait what's up with being french

[soft raft]

IJN main gun rec

[frank pulsar]

daisen gun should be better gun than izumo on heavy and arnd the same on med afaik, not to mention izumo gun is pretty slow on sushi for a 20s gun

[eager mulch]

it’s french

[sweet delta]

Only happens if mog is main tank. Which is not feasible in most battles (nagato meta is extremely low-damaging among newer bosses, and mog still dies sometimes)

How many event points does the daily missions and first daily clear of each event chapter give?

[storm heron]

if it's the same as Roma event,

One Time

Daily login: 1000
Clearing rewards: 200 400 600 400 600 800 = 3000

Recurring

easy: 30 40 50 60 70 80 x5 = 1650
hard: 90 100 110 120 150 180 x3 = 2250
sp: 800
missions: 150 300 300 300 = 1050
Total daily: 5750

Total 7 dailies and one time points: 44250

yes it is the same

[sweet delta]

Thanks dawgo

[storm heron]

wait, since the amount is kinda insane, should newbs be recommended to farm w12 instead of D3, after clearing?

[viscid swift]

if newbs can actually clear up to SP that's I reccomend

[spark ridge]

11-1 vs 10-4 for money?

I saw that x-4 is best for money, but idk if like the increase between world is more important

[keen sable]

12+

[spark ridge]

Well ofc, but I’m only up to 11-2 rn

[storm heron]

we have coins, gold, money

[vocal dagger]

exact date for to love ru collab global?

[spark ridge]

I havnt bothered pushing campaign too much, when I started to bother this event started lmao

[viscid swift]

21st of this month

[spring bolt]

11-1 is better both in coin/oil ratio and exp/oil ratio, compared to 10-4

[spark ridge]

Oke ty

[autumn spade]

Is there a good way to easily farm coins? I already used all of my storage coins pulling for musashi (I didnt get her first time)

[viscid swift]

farm chapter 12

[sweet delta]

Daily event stuff and farm 12+

[leaden garden]

I completed the requirements of 1 of the endings do i just continue completing goal missions or do i have to do some more steps?

[storm heron]

keep going, they will finalize your tb ending at the end

[leaden garden]

Oh okay thanks!

[wind hazel]

you need to do specific stats raising in order to reach different endings

think of it as raising a Digimon

[storm heron]

how do you raise Digimon?

(Sorry I just didn't play pokemon GO back then)

oh wait they are different things

[stark quiver]

smh

[wind hazel]

let Agumon lay 15 poops and it turn into Numemon

neglect your TB and she turn into a neet. Just like Digimon...

[stark quiver]

tamagotchi

[storm heron]

Is there a way to get more quick finisher?

asking for a friend who has 54 quick finisher and 160 cubes, but still 66 pity away

[stark quiver]

just wait
and do comms

[storm heron]

dang alright

even I have never heard someone having that low of a quick finisher

[stark quiver]

newbs tend to have that problem, if they arent, then thats interesting

[eternal moth]

Do dailies and weeklies

Also, the weekly pack has some right? If they haven't grabbed it yet

[storm heron]

They grabbed everything they could

[wind hazel]

just wait lol

[storm heron]

yeah I also told them to hold off crafting wyvern and tenrai because of the coin shortage

[wet badge]

Do i skip sr events (if i dont need their tech) and save cubes for urs

[eternal moth]

If you have less than 400 cubes, I probably would.

That said, the collab next week likely won't rerun, so it's up to you

[keen sable]

you can be sad at not having aicv

[wet badge]

Tf is an aicv

[storm heron]

Time to start watching tlr so I can care about their collab

[agile harness]

is this aa gun good?

[rare wyvern]

Niche Shimanto main gun for AA maybe ?

[storm heron]

you should ask before you craft, since probably you don't need to craft equips

[wet badge]

If i have a bb fleet do i give them guns with around the same reload

[wind hazel]

it's not AA gun, it's a main gun

used on shimanto before FS5

[agile harness]

oh, yeah, is a main gun but yeah, i just got that gun because i obtained the prints from random researchs

[wind hazel]

if your shimanto is not fs5 yet you can use it on her lul

[agile harness]

i dont have shimanto yet

[wind hazel]

then you can forget about that gun

[rare wyvern]

Is it necessary if she doesn't need the focus AA btw ? I have her FS3 and usually go for another CL gun since I don't really need the hardcore AA

[rose cosmos]

Are those daily packs good? The 1$ ones

[storm heron]

yeah I heard that argument too, since you don't need the AA increase since shimanto is just good in W13 and by the time you reach w15 you will have d30 fsV shimanto

I got the gems for $1

[stark quiver]

the gem one seems worth,
120 for 99c right?

[storm heron]

it's 200 for 99c

it's better than the double gems, so probably a must take for small spender

[rapid grail]

1 dollar for 10 dock space is a steal

[wind hazel]

depends on where you use her

[rare wyvern]

Not on plane heavy content these days, more for DPS

[wind hazel]

like?

[rare wyvern]

Like OPS Strongholds, Arbiters, W14 for now

I honestly don't bother changing for the OPS bosses with the hefty planes because my four fleets can just deal with it eventually

[sharp socket]

shimanto is made for AA, not sure if her dps is noteworthy enough to use over other options

[wind hazel]

ye, if she isn't fs5 i wouldn't put her as top pick

no you heard bullshit

[golden moth]

Guys whats your gearsetup for sushi..for w15..and hard contents

[rare wyvern]

Well I'm waiting for dev 30 ply to get a decent off-tank DPS, meanwhile Shimanto is 125 and doing decent, Scylla's aoa does not always suit my purposes when it's bosses

[wind hazel]

replace gun with purple version

[spring bolt]

shimanto dps is bayard level, pre fs5 slightly lower, after fs5 slightly higher, and extremely balanced against all 3 armor types

[golden moth]

Ohh ok ok i see thanks

[wind hazel]

izumo/daisen if boss

[golden moth]

The gearsetup u said is for mobbing yea?

[wind hazel]

mostly, yeah

[storm heron]

what's the latter statement mean?

[soft raft]

Huh tf you mean Mikasa gun is worth

[storm heron]

I don't think Mori was answering you

[soft raft]

Nvm whoops

[storm heron]

like the reaction time was 0.2s impossible

[wind hazel]

yes i was answering musashi for mobbing mostly

[soft raft]

No, it is a complete meme

[storm heron]

mori even did mutsukicurse

[wind hazel]

and you can get Mikasa from medal shop

but the gun itself is a meme

[wind hazel]

use this for pvp

[storm heron]

the mikasa gun can be used for musashi in pvp but meme everywhere else

[mossy void]

I'm ngl I forgot what her gun even is
Edit: I'm bad with gun names lol

[wind hazel]

like a turd with 2 pointer

[sharp socket]

how do i fulfill brest’s iris libre gear skill or is it not needed

[wind hazel]

57mm

[storm heron]

ur AA gun

[sharp socket]

is it needed for her to perform well

[wind hazel]

it helps

better to have than not

[sharp socket]

by how much does it help, i need to figure out if i can justify another UR AA

[storm heron]

15% AA help

[wind hazel]

this much

[wet badge]

I need like 77 more pulls for 1 more dupe for mlb do i do it for musashi

[storm heron]

not much tbh but AA is just something that you don't need beyond a certain threshold

[soft raft]

How many cubes do you have left?

[storm heron]

oh yea, also, my w15 clear was using the most AA vanguard possible brest shimanto eldridge, yet main fleet still takes a lot of damage from planes

[wet badge]

0

[mossy void]

And do you care about the collab

[wet badge]

Absolutely not

[wind hazel]

i think you can do this too? but im not sure if this is a cope or not

[soft raft]

Not worth it
Esp when you're literally flat broke so that frankly should've been a easy answer

[sharp socket]

what if i use the gold one

[wind hazel]

yeah that works too

[mossy void]

Then again, new UR in December as well iirc?

[sharp socket]

alright great theyre cheap in protocore

[wind hazel]

but for w15 idk sounds better to just get 57mm

[storm heron]

ehh that AA good?

I thought that AA for accel only

[wet badge]

OH GOSH

So i just use a bulin

[storm heron]

but maybe you only need 15% AA on brest just so she can survive the planes and don't really care about the damage

[mossy void]

Yeah. The UR bulins are easy to get anyway lol

[soft raft]

Correct
It's only other real use is to be crafted into a UR AA

[storm heron]

this is a better option imo (sorry for the tag)

[sharp socket]

ill get the dd gun then

are there iris libre defensive auxes i can use instead

[wind hazel]

no not many to begin with

[soft raft]

Not any relevant ones
Esp any that would make sacrificing either the Washing machine or toolbox worth it

[wind hazel]

i checked my depot and i literally only have 2

[storm heron]

Don't think so

[mossy void]

~~The bunny has feathers?! ~~

Also welp this needs to be updated cause I didn't remember a single one

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Category:Equipment_of_Iris_Libre

[wind hazel]

huh

[sharp socket]

alright nevermind then

[storm heron]

or use mog gun

or just ignore the requirement since ectl says that isn't required

idk if vanguard pressure is that high to the point brest can get lower than like 3 quarters, and brest's AA damage is average

[sharp socket]

w15 v4 cooking

1. should i put beacon on shinano aswell for extra stagger
2. musashi’s main gun should be fine right, or izumo gun maybe
3. also are my AA guns placed correctly, and if i make another UR AA where do i put it

i can also technically make 6 flapjacks now but im considering saving the ordnance for gearlab update sometime soon

[wind hazel]

i think sandy prefer 100kai than mog gun

[storm heron]

extra stagger is always appreciated imo, musashi main gun good enough, AA gun okay, on sandy. Also holy moly isn't that too much sectuple and not enough range?

[sharp socket]

+13’ed improved quad mag torps to go on sandy also, forgot to add that

[wind hazel]

and im not sure about not using torp bulge

[storm heron]

improved quad mag should be on ply since sandy's torp is doodoo

[sharp socket]

bulges on ancho and brest?

[worthy hound]

Who to max next and after? still at 12-1 Normal Map

[sharp socket]

or need for both main and offtank cruisers

[storm heron]

I didn't use bulge and I did just fine

[wind hazel]

on most of them but CB double eva is good

tbh go ask suchi, most of us here aren't qualified

[sharp socket]

sandy have 2x 135% while ply has 1x 165%

[wind hazel]

but the one thing i can remember is sandy prefer 100kai

[storm heron]

sandy torp stat and only 1 reload, it's not simultaneous

[sharp socket]

hmm ill consider making that if its like much better

[mossy void]

I'm ngl I never seen anyone use fargo's drone for anything (I dunno if a bad thing or not)

[velvet slate]

imo Alsace -> Laffey II -> Soyuz -> Musashi -> Amagi -> Moga

[sharp socket]

ah ignore the drone ill change that too

[wind hazel]

vanguard, most likely

[sharp socket]

remnant of previous cooking

[storm heron]

oh lol why the drone, just do toolbox

[sharp socket]

also beacon on shinano for more stagger or not needed

[storm heron]

is this musashi not locked or am I just tired

[velvet slate]

Alsace alone maxed ill push you to 14 alone regardless who else you use together with her and she's in a completely different class than vanguard

[mossy void]

She's not

[wind hazel]

brother Alsace is already maxed, idk what you're looking at

[worthy hound]

not locked... I forgot to press after I got her... just q few mins ago/

[velvet slate]

his alsace is level 105

[wind hazel]

both soyuz alsace are maxed

as in max limit break

[storm heron]

imo it is always good to have stagger. Also you can replace shinano with indep if your boss fleet lacks a bit AA

[worthy hound]

I should Move my question in a thread I guess to not flood this chat...

[sharp socket]

shinano is 200aff, if anything id replace haku who is only dev30

[wind hazel]

vanguard>wait for next UR>/amagi>shinano

[mossy void]

Btw people give this rule of advice of focusing on one ship at a time to MLB.

[storm heron]

sure that works too

[mossy void]

So whoever you decide to upgrade do them until they are MLB and move on to the next

[worthy hound]

gotcha.. i will take note of it

[velvet slate]

yeh go ahead and max vanguard than keep her benched 🤣 when you realize there's 0 reason to bring her when alsace is an option

[storm heron]

what, alsace can replace her in a bz soyuz alsace comp, do you see them having any of that?

[mossy void]

My opinion is probably who you need more of. And if you don't know or can't decide I say Laffey 2 or Musashi
Edit: or fuck it. Whoever tickles your fancy more

[storm heron]

vanguard is like the last stone of thanos they need

[wind hazel]

please dont talk in this channel if you know nothing, thanks

[velvet slate]

sure bud, keep advicing vanguard

[storm heron]

bz is gonna be so long

[velvet slate]

peak bad advice when his laffey II isnt maxed

[storm heron]

also I disagree with you two

[mossy void]

I'm ngl I thought they meant vanguard as in vanguard ships and not Vanguard herself lol

[storm heron]

they should lb one of the CVs instead since they have 0 CV maxed

[wind hazel]

look, if you wanna flaunt about your idiocy #al-general is open, don't give shit advice on this channel where your advice can ruin a player's progression

[velvet slate]

yeh amagi is a great choice also

[velvet slate]

right back at you my guy

[storm heron]

Anyways I think lb ing amagi first is better than vanguard cause they have 0 CVs maxed, so potential UR later on at Dec have more room to fill in

[wind hazel]

one full UR BB fleet is better than 1 UR CV fleet

[quartz jungle]

Tbf he does have FDG maxed LB

[wind hazel]

that is also why i recommended amagi into shinano as next in line, after waiting dec UR

[storm heron]

single target damage increase from fdg to vanguard is probably less than damage increase from whatever Cv they have to one of the conv torp UR CVs

[muted mason]

How do I save a preset for a skin? Like Perma lap pillow from Hindenburg L2D

[wind hazel]

you really underestimated Vanguard's buff

[mossy void]

Pretty much when you get the animation to just never mess with it again. At least that's the only way I know personally, so if anyone actually knows the answer I'll take note of it as well lol
Edit: I just know you can reset it but not save it. Could be wrong though.

[storm heron]

Need either another opinion or proof

[stark quiver]

wheres the accelerators on non AA carries, other UR AA could go to ancho/ply
idk why shimanto has a UR aa
musashis gun is fine

[sharp socket]

i remember suchi or someone else telling me accelerators arent useful

[velvet slate]

no my guy YOU overestimated and fail to take into account case by case scenario.

Vanguard buff is indeed great but her personal damage means your entire team needs to be formed of 5 buff ships to offset the loss in dps of using Vanguard over say someone like Musashi.

If your 5 other teams are great than vanguard's buff will push your dps to an overall higher damage.

If your other 5 ships cannot offset the loss od damage between someone like musahi when u use vanguard than your team will perform worse.

If you actually did some testing you would know this

[spring bolt]

vg rdps is above NJ level, but still below fully buffed ur cvs in their best comp, or alsace/musa, she's like a no.4 for all full bb comp against all armor types

[stark quiver]

they are pretty useful ngl, when theres a wall of planes

[wind hazel]

brother dont ping me when you literally recommended laffey2 as 2nd to max out

[storm heron]

not really, it hasn't been proven suchi said

[velvet slate]

cant handle facts huh :)) i bet you hate math

[wind hazel]

again #al-general is open

[storm heron]

or like the threshold for calculation is difficult to justify

[stark quiver]

go ahead and try it out then

[storm heron]

the only right solution tbh

[mossy void]

I thought the AA accelerators were just good for ships with poor AA (my memory could be poor)

[stark quiver]

anyways my other poitns still stand tho, idk why shimanto has a UR aa when she is the AA carry of the fleet

[wind hazel]

please consider the context, where that player has 0lb shinano, no hakuryuu no implacable

[storm heron]

how much poorer does a ship has to be compared to other AA carries to justify using the accelerators?

Some cases like ayanami and san diego it is obvious

[mossy void]

I just seen people put them/suggest them on DDs like SE DDs iirc

[wind hazel]

at most you will be comparing amagi, enty and AVP vs Vanguard Alsace Soyuz

[finite crag]

if i only have 3 hvars and want to equip yk2, kear, nakhi whats the priority

[sharp socket]

full UR BB fleet is better than 1 UR CV, 1 slow and 1 other SR CV fleet or mixed UR BB/CV fleet

[keen sable]

they're poor and don't have staag's for everyone...

[storm heron]

again I am only mid evaluator since I don't have proof and mostly just reciting people's research

[quartz jungle]

He asked for 2 ships no? So Shinano + Amagi CV vs Laffey II/Musashi/Vanguard

[vale spindle]

generally i look for the efficiency being at or under 100%

[sharp socket]

3scan fdg soyuz alsace vs 3scan vanny soyuz alsace

against nagato meta, 3 rld

[wind hazel]

i see 5 UR bulin, and i assume they don't have resources for extra, so no that isn't enough to MLB both shinano and amagi

[vale spindle]

for ships that could theoretically use an accel despite eff being > 100%, the difference is very negligable between accel or quad bofors or rainbow aa (which is an accel xd) anyways

[stark quiver]

i do testing with 0 tech
less variables less problem

[sharp socket]

i got lucky with 3scan twice in a row

[mossy void]

I don't even think he asked for two ships. Just who to work on next

[quartz jungle]

How many UR bulins can you get? 5 only or 7+

[wind hazel]

yes, he didn't. i still stand by my advice on Vanguard>wait Dec>/Amagi>Shinano

[wanton dawn]

is this worth buying?

[wind hazel]

very

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

generally, all event gear worth buying

[mossy void]

I mean the guy F'd off and everything too lol

[wanton dawn]

ok tyty:)

[vale spindle]

tldr just rainbow everything, since rainbow is both an accel and carry gun

[storm heron]

but lower dps than sectuple, is it fine?

[quartz jungle]

Isn't the problem with 3 sextuple bofors that the range is a bit short? So you need something like the twin 90 mm to compensate

[stark quiver]

not when youre literally spamming it

[storm heron]

yeah this was the reason why I asked celerio about the 5 sectuple

[spring bolt]

well just checked the player's screenshot, tbh the priority for main story is more like musa > laffey2 > save > whatever, fdg soy and musa can carry him to at least 15-1 even with very bad gold ships
vg's usefullness in main story is probaly below NJ imo. laffey 2 is more like a easy win button for ch 15 mob tank and guam can do boss so why not

[sharp socket]

i cannot make 6 UR AAs and honestly it seems like a massive waste anyway

[storm heron]

I would switch ancho to the roomba, since it has low dps, and alpha does not matter that much since there are a thousand planes

[rose cosmos]

Wait where is that

[wanton dawn]

sry this is tw server

[rose cosmos]

Oh…..

[wanton dawn]

u cant get it lol... it was like 8 months ago for u guys (soyuz event)

[stark quiver]

it kinda is, but oh well, the biggest concerns is shimantos AA gun, and fleet 2 AA because plane spam

[vale spindle]

yes always buy ship (if you don't get ship from map drop / build / elsewhere before event ends) and event limited gear from event shop

[sharp socket]

boss fleet AA not good enough?

[mossy void]

Yeah that's why I recommended Musashi and/or Laffey 2 since they said they were stuck and/or mentioned the story map they were on.

[stark quiver]

not long range anough and too low firing rate, make it faster

[sharp socket]

is it gear issue or ship issue

[wanton dawn]

ok ty🫡

[wind hazel]

he has alsace and soyuz, i dont think he has any campaign issue at all

[storm heron]

but then I don't see boss fleet taking that much pressure since they only fight twice (and w15 bosses are kinda jokes)

[sharp socket]

those 2 are mutually exclusive

[keen sable]

yeah but they don't have a boss fleet healer

[wind hazel]

putting 4 UR bulin into Musashi when he has Alsace and Soyuz is insanity

just for like what, slightly easier campaign? lol

[sharp socket]

do i need a boss fleet healer?

i have uh zuihou uni and volga as my healer options only

[velvet slate]

he specifically said he is in 12-1 normal than asked for advice..... Before giving someone's advice and blab about context at least read what the person asking for advice is asking my guy :/. 0 self awareness my god

[sharp socket]

no aquila

[mossy void]

Well I mostly did say Laffey 2. Didn't mention Musashi. I just threw her in last second on accident lol (at work)

[storm heron]

I wanna engage in this very interesting conversation but I have something to be done rn, brb in 45 minutes

[wind hazel]

starlion honestly im getting real tired of your bullshit

[stark quiver]

volga is locked to mob dont think abt it
zuihou best bet, or can use perseus also

[sharp socket]

ah i have perseus

or do i have theseus lemme check

[faint cloud]

calm down(

[stark quiver]

im not saying its a great investment, but it could work
pls js use perseus

+2 avi anyways

[mossy void]

The person asking took off so he's probably not even reading anymore who to invest in

[sharp socket]

i do not have perseus, only theseus

[stark quiver]

zuihou i guess
or cope no healer
15-1/2 rly easy

[jaunty vault]

welcome to gph

[stark quiver]

hi cooper

[ripe knot]

[mossy void]

Yeah I witnessed it plenty lol just trying to get them to stop

[quartz jungle]

Yeah I pinged him, he didn't respond yet

[wind hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/689417813999353856.webp?size=56

[quartz jungle]

Need him to clarify things/participate

Otherwise this argument is kinda pointless

[stark quiver]

then just drop it..... arguing abt whos the better ship to level when the OP is gone is pointless

[spring bolt]

ok but if i go with this logic, he should focus on meta fleet, as opsi contents are way easier than ch 15, so the focus should be amagi > shinano > mog > musa = vg > save > whatever for current meta, but he probably won't make it, he can give up current meta mog could wait, or raise eld kai/agir/avp for temp slow solution

[vale spindle]

campaign focus better since it gives gems

also good campaign ships usually aren't far behind the best opsi ships, if they aren't already the best opsi ships anyways, also opsi easy lol like said above

[wind hazel]

you're still not taking the context into consideration

[spring bolt]

context sam

[wind hazel]

5 UR bulin, 0lb shinano 1lb amagi, it doesn't maths out

[quartz jungle]

AvP alone can stop right? I don't think she needs the help of the other 2 vanguards

[vale spindle]

you don't need to invest in an opsi slow (until the very end) because avp and ark royal exist yes

[spring bolt]

it means eld or agir or avp

[quartz jungle]

Oh my bad I didn't see correctly

[spring bolt]

this is your assumption tho... i just followed it
he has alsace and soyuz, i dont think he has any campaign issue at all
if he has no need for enhancing main story ships, does it matter if he misses a lot of bulins for amagi and shinano?... investing stuffs in he clearly has no issue with? or investing in something he clearly has big issue with?...

[wind hazel]

can we just drop it? by the time you finish replying to me half life 3 is out, so let's just drop this here

[keen sable]

someone skipped pr4 and 5

[spring bolt]

alright......

[mossy void]

no keep replying. I need to see HL3 memes

[rare wyvern]

Using Torp bomber CVs alongside AvP needs them to be in good sync right ? Like what, less than 1 second away ?

[keen sable]

.1...

[inner delta]

the closer you get the better

[forest palm]

As long as August is launching second

[spring bolt]

it's tighter than implac or nakh

[rare wyvern]

Well once I'm done using up all my coins on cog awakening and lb for Musashi, I'll finish buying AvP blueprints

And then try to do a funny with Haku

[forest palm]

Imp, and Nak are what 2.5? Which is a fair amount of leeway

[rare wyvern]

Maybe I should start actually using Imp other than like a dumbass, I'm sure it would give me results

[spring bolt]

imp can go up to about 0.3s for 4 airstrikes, nakh is 0.25, avp is like 0.18

[rare wyvern]

What ship to use to trigger Nak's full stop ?

[forest palm]

Soyuz, Tashkent, and Voroshilov are the ones I see commonly mentioned

[rare wyvern]

I think I have Tashkent... mlb 70 maybe ? Oof

[forest palm]

I wouldn't go out of my way

[rare wyvern]

Yeah I don't have a whole lot of SN ships, maybe her offensive skill slow already ain't bad

[forest palm]

Your Nak is far from usable so I honestly wouldn't worry about it

[jovial cedar]

Just got musashi. Should I go all in on building her?

[little tree]

Depends on dock

[storm heron]

backreading...

[rare wyvern]

Not yet, I wanna go for PR7s after I'm done with Ply/Brest, but yeah, I figure

[stark quiver]

does a +13 ryuseii do more dmg than a +10 vit2

[storm heron]

alright although the argument is important, OP is gone and UR bulins investment is in case by case basis, shimanto extinguished the fire

[spring bolt]

dph wise saiun +13 is already doing more damage than vit2

[stark quiver]

what would an ideal shinano + amagi cv be like for nagato M

[wind hazel]

+13 that syncs

[storm heron]

oh no

[stark quiver]

can somone pls link the big doc for nagatoM

[wind hazel]

the pdf?

[stark quiver]

yes

[wind hazel]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jz4SSft0mzUIM4x3axrK5MTgZ_I-WG_L/view

[stark quiver]

thanks

[wind hazel]

ngl i read half the page and already lost

[rare wyvern]

Is Nagato Meta meta though ?

[storm heron]

I feel like the doc is too rigorous

[unique lantern]

is there a trick to clearing the lvl 95 one with an s? ammo is way too tight, i can barely even get to the second part

[wind hazel]

it's pilica's style

[storm heron]

better than nelson, worse than rodney META (or upper bound would be UvH)

[stark quiver]

i js do lvl 65

[keen sable]

what is s?

[stark quiver]

s rank

[wind hazel]

search it on youtube, you only need to fulfil the S requirement, something something x merchant and no sink yadayada

[stark quiver]

and yes there infact is
royal fortune cheese

[wind hazel]

need to conserve ammo and stuff

[keen sable]

oh sure easy enough with 115's and +8 torps. use oxy's...

[unique lantern]

all geared all lvl 100+ and now almost fully skilled up

does the wolf pack buff even apply there since they arent on the field together

[storm heron]

yeah you can't autoclear if you dont have S rank yet

[spring bolt]

also the us mk16 torp has more ammo, oxy gives you extra ammo

[unique lantern]

was hoping this would be enough guess im leveling them

[stark quiver]

tha music was used in AriM battle?

[wind hazel]

try watching this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgHA64CmAc

[spring bolt]

gears for that is different from normal use, so try at least give them gold oxy and use more suitable torp

[unique lantern]

im just having a hard time using them, they barely do anything in clears or are just not needed but cost so much extra oil when spammed :c

[upbeat wagon]

Whats event shop priority

[storm heron]

how is one supposed to farm with subs anyway

I just pick 3, secretary, deploy till 100 affinity, book to 120

[wind hazel]

i wait until yearly raid event

[stark quiver]

i book 0-120
or i let comms take over and ⏰

[keen sable]

OPS exists

[storm heron]

pain

[unique lantern]

by oxy you mean... this thing? if so, it doesnt state that anywhere :v

the gold one too?

[storm heron]

this is oxytorp right? not the type 93 pure oxygen

[unique lantern]

uh

[keen sable]

it doesn't state but you can always confirm with your own empirical tests

[storm heron]

oh yea it's the aux, cause there's another rainbow submarine torpedo on gearlab

[stark quiver]

does anyone have any idea what plane combo couldve been ran here, for 2 cvs, they had identcal launch times
both had tenrais

[rare wyvern]

When I got time, I make sure they are synced with my fleets on my campaign farm, gives them some nice xp

[storm heron]

why is identical launch time bad?

[quartz jungle]

Is this AriMeta?

[sweet delta]

No @soft dagger

No

[soft dagger]

you calc the subs too?

[sweet delta]

I just airstrikes it once and the CV had 8k damage on end screen

And then I used Bisz once on the dome shield and she ended with 3k dmg

And I used Alsace on the 20s barrier again and she had 13k dmg

Due to airplanes and suicide boats

[soft dagger]

i did with ijn cv, totalling the damage including the subs got 1.26

[stark quiver]

Yea idk what’s wrong, I used to one shot earlier today

Changed some gear and all went to hell

[sweet delta]

Strength has 1.29m HP so if your flood did like 11k and airplanes/suicide boats were 8k then it checks out that the two barriers contribute 0 to endscreen

[quartz jungle]

Did your vanguard get stuck in the fog and insta death?

[sweet delta]

If either barrier counted damage, then the end screen total should be over 1.5m

[stark quiver]

I’m using this, 0 cv rld for ariM I just timed out, I was one shorting consistently,this is what my gear looks rn, and it can’t one shot consistently

[unique lantern]

it was enough, after i switched the oxytorp on the u96

free weekly stuff now

[soft dagger]

youre right

[sweet delta]

What bullet type is DDG vanguard missile, does mogador torpedo debuff work on missile?

[unique lantern]

for general use the oxytorp on the u37 is still better tho, right? need the snorkel to fire all the torps for the other wolfpacks, ye?

[quartz jungle]

Try double Ryuusei + Tenrai + Homing beacon on Shinano?

[sweet delta]

Oxytorp is usually better, probably higher average, higher ceiling, and lower floor

[quartz jungle]

Or change third slot to VIT-2 if you have 2

Your carriers might have to delayed as well to sync with Musashi

[sweet delta]

I'm a little left about the 1.5m, because crossfleets can do like 150k to 200k, but still right that barriers count as 0 dmg

[quartz jungle]

One would think so

[soft dagger]

ye. just re-checked, i confused it with the one that i did without the subs that got 1M and assumed it did included to the endscreen . my bad

[paper mural]

What gear should I give Zuihou? For OpSi/12-4

[sweet delta]

Normal gear like unicorn

[paper mural]

So just copy-paste her build then? Alright

[unique lantern]

why should you only buy angels feathers with spare core data if its the top cv aux? is the difference to catapult just so small its negligible or are the other items on the list so much more important? (tho im essentially done with the core data buys, only problem is i didnt see the good dd gun in there until now)
according to the coredata command list

[fickle parcel]

Does any ship use Musashi gun or is it just a useless UR item akin to UR sub torp?

[crimson glacier]

well if it is just catapult then that kinda already answers it

[quartz jungle]

Catapult has more AVI than Angel's feather no?

[paper mural]

UvH, I think

[crimson glacier]

why use core data on something thats available without core data

[quartz jungle]

Alsace/Musashi in some META fights (syncing with CVs)

[paper mural]

The main problem with the UR gun is, as I understand it, the long reload time. But UvH fires rapidly to the point where that long reload time means nothing

[crimson glacier]

yeah and 457 is still better than 460 on uvh

[fallow sedge]

Why is ancho good?

[crimson glacier]

so kinda pointless

[fickle parcel]

tyty for the answers!

[crimson glacier]

and uvh is one of the bottom UR BBs anyway

[paper mural]

Even against light armor bosses?

[sweet delta]

Any damage BB in EX, and sometimes Alsace and sometimes other BBs in some meta showdowns. So it's generally niche. But rainbow sub torp is absolutely not useless, it's actually better than bidder usually but just costs a lot more

[crimson glacier]

uvh cant compete with the newer BBs

[rare wyvern]

The 457 vs 460 is back !

[rain bobcat]

I mean NJ=uvh in dmg

[rare wyvern]

Also more salvoes = more times to trigger your skill on-fire so a double barrel is nice on UvH

[fickle parcel]

Oh, I was under the assumption that UR sub torp was worse than Bidder beyond just the cost. I had tons of spare mats to craft a few on it's release, but was told it was strictly worse. This was years ago ofc.

[rare wyvern]

I had basically the same mindset like two days ago but they be right, you want to fire more times that mfing gun

[coarse heron]

There's been lots of initial assumptions later corrected about all sorts of gear

[sweet delta]

Not just UR design cost, but also triple the gold plates and a million coins in good submarine cats

[paper mural]

What if the boss is heavy armor? Is 457 still better than 460 on UvH?

[crimson glacier]

carrier is better than uvh

[storm heron]

Idk I did not spend a million coins for sub cats

[boreal wagon]

they appear to be ammo type 8 so they shouldnt be affected

[rain bobcat]

cv

[sweet delta]

Closer but 457 should still be better because of more barrage slows and armor breaks and other things

[storm heron]

so sub cats chance turns out to be just the same as the others huh

[rare wyvern]

I slap this one on UvH for light armor and it's funny

[paper mural]

Then to get something straight, if a boss is heavy armor, does that usually mean it's preferable to run a CV comp over a BB comp?

[crimson glacier]

its also inefficient

[rain bobcat]

uhh mk7 is better

[crimson glacier]

mk6 is better

[storm heron]

just use CV comps

[rain bobcat]

don't expect other twin guns to be like 457, since 457 has massive dmg for being a double barrel low reload gun

[rare wyvern]

B-but triple barrel!

[rain bobcat]

the message above u..

[crimson glacier]

whats wrong with triple?

[storm heron]

triple barrel but the dps is much higher

remember when we compare 457 vs 460 pure dps they differ by about like 3% or something? well this is definitely not close at all

[rare wyvern]

Worth more than the salvoes I get off every 7-8 sec on the double ? Good to know

[south sequoia]

Depends on the boss, the gimmick, the stage

[storm heron]

so yeah back to math

[rare wyvern]

I actually will check that out cuz I'm intrigued now

[crimson glacier]

normal twin guns are weak

[paper mural]

What is one situation, against heavy bosses, where 457 is preferred, and one situation where 460 is better?

[crimson glacier]

457 is anomaly, its just stronger than basically any other gun

[rain bobcat]

yeah I mean 457 legit has 400 raw dmg as a double gun compared to 450-500 from triple guns for AP while 406 skc has a measely 300 compared to 470 from triple guns HE

[quartz jungle]

Does it depend on sub? If you can get Bidder without needing snorkel (so you can equip oxytorp) would Bidder be better?

[rare wyvern]

Thank god I actually have some Mk6

[crimson glacier]

mk6 is really common

[storm heron]

alsus have preload for example, which means 460 now deals more damage most of the time than 457

[rain bobcat]

I'd be concerned if you didn't

[crimson glacier]

457 still beats 460 on alsace outside of opsi

[rain bobcat]

alsus and mushi are the only cases where 460 has a niche where it's the best

[quartz jungle]

OPSI/Meta fights yeah

[storm heron]

mobbing campaign should be no question to 457 other than musashi

[crimson glacier]

457 is also better on bosses so

its literally just single enemy battles where 460 has any chance of being useful

[storm heron]

yeah that's what I mean by boss

[crimson glacier]

and 99% of bosses arent like that

[rare wyvern]

14-3 mobbing was like, recon and bb fleets, what should I be loading on UvH ?

[crimson glacier]

the answer is 457 on pretty much all BBs except musashi

[sweet delta]

Depends a lot more onboss movement than on sub. Also remember that type 95 kai users always have an oxytorp because they don't need hull. All setups have high variance so only repetitive tests can provide evidence for what has a better average against what boss

[rare wyvern]

Ogey

[storm heron]

if helena is used in opsi is the answer still 457?

[crimson glacier]

yes coz helena sucks on w14

[storm heron]

oh this is on w14

[sweet delta]

if Helena is used in 14 and 15. Then you should reconsider your life choices

[crimson glacier]

you rather have 1 bad ship in the fleet than turn all your backline to shit too

[rain bobcat]

normal UR? only if you can get an extra full salvo

and also stay in buff window

[paper mural]

Why is Helena bad in w14 and w15? Presumably used during boss fights, no other use case makes any sense

[rain bobcat]

her AA and dmg is just nowhere near enough

[south sequoia]

because boss fights in 14 and 15 are glorified mob fights

[storm heron]

cause helena rely on dumping damage all in the window

[crimson glacier]

coz you dont want to shoot only every 20 sec

[rain bobcat]

you don't even want to sync in campaign

[crimson glacier]

helena AA and dmg are completely irrelevant to the question lol

[storm heron]

while enemy spawns up to a dozen waves or something

[rain bobcat]

it's still one of the reasons

[crimson glacier]

it isnt

[paper mural]

Glorified mob fights. Makes sense actually. There's lots of enemies on the map all the time, and the boss isn't the only important one to kill, it's also the repair ships that heal them

[storm heron]

there will be a confirmation

[spring bolt]

you can see the result if you click the button without spending the coin, there is an extra confirmation button

[crimson glacier]

helena AA is more than fine for all content, and her dmg isnt a problem either

[rain bobcat]

if helena was fucking plymouth dmg using her would be completely fine even if you don't sync in campaign

[crimson glacier]

how is that relevant

[vagrant harness]

Resetting talent will make me lose some of the talents? Im not sure if the cat is good

[spring bolt]

clicking the reset button and you can see the initial ones, all talents acquired from level will be lost

[storm heron]

agree, worth or not is just math in the end, to what extent is helena's other kit is good

[rain bobcat]

I said the reason she isn't used in 14 and 15 is because she simply does not have enough dmg and AA as well as you not wanting sync in campaign

[crimson glacier]

only part of that what matters in 14 and 15 is the sync

[rain bobcat]

if she simply had plymouth levels of dmg outside of syncing she would be completely viable???

[vagrant harness]

Looks like i shouldnt reset. Idk how many points is this cat, but thanks yall

[crimson glacier]

why are you bringing up some fanfic version of helena

[rain bobcat]

I don't see how the point isn't getting across

[quartz jungle]

When we get the third Musashi gun would it be better than the current Soyuz/Champagne/Flandre gun (BisZwei/Alsace/Soyuz) against medium/heavy armour?

[rain bobcat]

no

[storm heron]

idk if we are getting into semantics it is kinda boring and just rage colored argument

[crimson glacier]

if 14 and 15 was sync friendly, helena would be used all the time

her stats are completely irrelevant, the only problem is that you dont want to sync

[rapid grail]

her one major use (her massive buff) is moot by the fact that if you want to sync, you'll get fucked by the enemies dogpiling your fleet in sorties

desyncing is better because that kills the enemies faster while also conserving much of your ships' HP

[storm heron]

helena rely on that because her stats contribution is relatively low

[crimson glacier]

and its the same thing on every other world ,its not relevant

[spring bolt]

your choice. the current state is midcore at best, ideally you need flame + soulful + 2 fp talents. it's totally usable but not ideal, drake and every from tempesta events are better than this one

[storm heron]

nah don't reset tbh

that cat is very good on campaign @vagrant harness

can rival every even

[warm condor]

is musashi for boss or mob fleet?
Actually I don't know what the composition or boss and mob fleets are lol

[crimson glacier]

musashi works everywhere

[paper mural]

So you want desyncing because you don't want your fleet to just be on a cooldown, so to speak, you want damage to be happening as frequently as possible. Is that correct?

[quartz jungle]

Don't reset until you get good CV cats yeah

[rain bobcat]

either but she can carry mob harder than other BB

[warm condor]

Can I post my box here for assistance in building a mob and boss fleet?

[paper mural]

Then yeah, Helena's philosophy is diametrically opposed to what you want in campaign. w14 and w15 at least

[rapid grail]

dock? sure, make a thread, post dock and what troubles you in the game

[storm heron]

it is also since one strike from your main fleet is enough to clear a wave, so you don't need multiple strike going at once, but rather you need good strikes uptime. This is diffeerent in boss fights where their massive hp pool can make sure all strike and helena goes in

[vagrant harness]

the talents shown on confirmation before reset are the ones that are initial or the ones that will be removed? last q probably

[warm condor]

Sakura Mob and Boss Fleet Help

[paper mural]

That's more meaningful in mob fights. Although even in boss fights in aforementioned content, clearing other enemies is still important

[spring bolt]

initials, those ones will be kept, talents not listed in that screen will be removed

[crimson glacier]

w14 and w15 boss fights are basically mob fights

[coarse heron]

I had a way tougher time on W14 mobs than the bosses

[storm heron]

So is me in w15, too

[coarse heron]

the first time I fought the 15-2 boss I was like

[rain bobcat]

probably lacked units fora comfy clear

[storm heron]

that's cause it is 15-2

[rain bobcat]

mushi or alsace would make most of w15 irrelevant

[crimson glacier]

yeah if you have other really good ships

[storm heron]

idk about alsace though, musashi sure

[rain bobcat]

well more like musashi mob and have alsace in boss for crossfleet

with other good ships it would easily breeze w15

[warm condor]

What about nagato? Is she boss or mob fleet? If I am building a Sakura fleet

[south sequoia]

dont

just ignore nagato

[rain bobcat]

boss with 2 UR IJN CV but the general consensus is don't even bother trying to use her

[warm condor]

Dont use her?

[south sequoia]

faction fleeting bad

[south sequoia]

yes

[warm condor]

Oh is it, sad then I invested heavily on sakura since I got that amagi and shinona

[spring bolt]

i did my clear post laffey2 and guam, don't even have memory how i did it except max threat 3 star to save oil to farm more ch 12

[south sequoia]

The main reasons why faction fleets are discouraged because of the amount of cost it goes into investing a fleet of optimal sakura ships just for their performance to not be as good as optimal mixed fleets

[random rain]

hi, if a ship has max xp, can't they contribute to ship research xp anymore?

[rain bobcat]

just use them with any of ark royal, avp, hakuryuu, implacable

[storm heron]

even w14 was more memorable, to the point I didn't record it cause I keep dying

[south sequoia]

They will contribute even if it shows +0

[rain bobcat]

can

[south sequoia]

it is considered a waste though

[warm condor]

Is Azuma at least a good vanguard unit? I've been focusing on Sakura for shipyard

[rain bobcat]

decent-good not great

[warm condor]

Still go for portland and prinz heimer?

[storm heron]

sounds like she in her max development will be relatively very good in your fleet. However you probably do not have her at d30 yet

[spring bolt]

her issue is the cost efficiency, and the other choice in pr2 is fdg which is much more impactful than her for newer players

[rain bobcat]

well if it's portland and hein ur comparing to then she is better

[storm heron]

yes, keep in mind you should rush fdg asap, though you are free to coin her while waiting to do so

[warm condor]

Oh my thats like a month or more of progress wasted raising that sakura tech point haha

[storm heron]

who is prinz heimer

[rain bobcat]

a mispelled heinrich prob

[storm heron]

heinrich?

[warm condor]

I thought i initially worked on the Germans - dont know why i got sidetracked with Sakura.

Rush FDG is the goal then

She goes on boss fleet mid position back line?

[fiery raptor]

fred can do boss but she hits her peak as mobbing flag

[warm condor]

Alright thanks

Uhh..i only have 3 iron blood. Where do I get more to level up tech points?

[spring bolt]

just remember: using faction fleet for fun is totally fine but don't think too much about performance at the same time.
when you need a best possible fleet, faction is a tiny factor, and others can give you better advice for mixed fleets

[wanton dawn]

how should I farm for event currencies? are the A1-B3 x3 drops per day ever worth it? what is the most oil to currency / xp / coin efficient map? tyty

[storm heron]

#gameplay-help message for the amount of point you can get

[fiery raptor]

farm the highest you can do. wakatsuki and 460 gun is worth the points yes

[rain bobcat]

b1-b3 once a day is fine with very low oil cost then just do d1-d3 once and spam d3

[shell willow]

what armor is this month arbiter?

[spring bolt]

med

[rain bobcat]

med iirc

[shell willow]

[wanton dawn]

thank you

[spring bolt]

3 or 4 oil + crossfleet ftw

[wanton dawn]

di-d3 once as in just 100% it?

[fiery raptor]

which ships have crossfleet barrage that proc more than once?

[rain bobcat]

once a day

[storm heron]

unicorn chang chun is enough to run A-C maps without problems

[rain bobcat]

well there is monitor cassin with 6 crossfleets

[spring bolt]

strongly suggest you to try lv1 ranger + chang chun + crossfleet, a whole new world is waiting for you

[wanton dawn]

ok tyty

[storm heron]

my model is trained to take the convenience (consistency across all events) and oil cost as the most optimal approach

[warm condor]

What is Crossfleet?

[storm heron]

once I complained about the oil in tempesta event but then when I think about it the exp I can get from full fleeting instead of low costing might be worth the oil different

[velvet slate]

crossfleet attacks are attacks which are made from ships that are part of a fleet thats not currently engaged in combat

[storm heron]

It's basically 6 rainbow URs on a different fleet, they have barrage strong enough to sink low level enemies

[warm condor]

Is this like that purple thing musashi does?

[velvet slate]

so if you fight with fleet A and a ship in fleet B has a crossfleet attack, it will help your fleet A

[spring bolt]

musa, uvh, guam

[warm condor]

If I want Enterprise and Musashi in mob fleet who is a good flagship? Or I need a healer?

[rain bobcat]

uvh musa alsace guam kron

[rain bobcat]

musashi, also do you not have other CV for mob?

use unicorn as well

[warm condor]

I'll check after I kill this SP

CV are aircraft carriers? I have that recent UR

[storm heron]

though it's okay to know how low oil fleeting works and build towards it, you might not want to do it right now since you might be at the phase where your equipment could only deal a tenth of the damage of the equipment needed to do this strat

[warm condor]

Amagi, Enterprise, Perseus, Unicorn

Illustrous, Victorious,

Zuihou?

[storm heron]

tell cooper gn

[rain bobcat]

would use unicorn+amagi or zuihou

[coarse heron]

they always contribute to research ship XP even if they're XP capped

[warm condor]

Also I am 15 pulls away from the UR exchange. I already have shimakaze, who is an adviseable 2nd choice?

[rain bobcat]

have shinano?

[warm condor]

no

[coarse heron]

Shinano > NJ > the others

[rain bobcat]

shinano.

[warm condor]

Awesome, thanks. I'll take her next

[coarse heron]

Shinano is so much better that even if you already had Shinano, if she wasn't MLB the answer is still Shinano

[spark ridge]

does leaving a guild make me lose guild upgrades. are the upgrades tied to guild or player? bc im in a random guild rn from years ago but its basically dead, more specifically nobody around to help with dosier analysis lmao

and dont have any friends added to help either lmao

[rare wyvern]

Doing the orange files ?

[summer echo]

can i use her in my team? i dont do pvp, only story and event mode

[spark ridge]

yes

i want to try finish off my helena meta

[velvet slate]

she's stronger than anyone there and is not even close

[summer echo]

who do i swap her with?

[spark ridge]

but i suck and cant do the level 15. do u get unlimited attempts, only limited by oil? dont really want to use my oil here rn with event running

[velvet slate]

either enty or richelieu. Id swap out richie but your call

[rare wyvern]

Does showdown even cost oil ?

[summer echo]

okay, thank u sm!!

[spark ridge]

its coming up saying it costs me 20

and im mega broke on oil always lmao

[velvet slate]

i think the first try after your free attempt is 40 oil but i forgot, cuz its been a while since i didnt 1 shot one

[zenith heron]

As long as you can Limit Break her and level up quite fast, then you can replace Richielu for her

[spark ridge]

i cant even pull on musashi banner bc im out of gold, cant farm gold cus im farming the event with my oil ;(

[nova lichen]

So I have these two fleets, fleet 1 is boss fleet and fleet 2 is mob fleet, and I just remembered I have a max limit break Shimakaze and a max retrofit Eldritch both over lvl 100, should I add em and how?

Godverdamnt the wifi didn't load the other pic

Yo, I just remembered I have max limit break Shimikaze and retrofit Eldritch, how should I add em to these 2 fleets

[velvet slate]

shima in middle slot and eldridge in first or third position in your hood fleet (u can keep either admiral or jarvis whichever u prefer, but shima and eldridge are both better)

[nova lichen]

Something like this?

[cobalt rapids]

Jeep jervis

[nova lichen]

K

[bold stream]

Hello all, is the UR event gun better for hutten than a HE 26s gun?

[cobalt rapids]

Guns depend on content HE and AP usually dont compete
But both guns are niche keargun being nicher

[versed mountain]

I just came 3 years later to say that the skin is in the cruise mission shop for any yorktown fans lmao

[bold stream]

I dont get it. I am new to the game only lv 60. I have the +6 BB gun from free reward. I am thinking of getting the UR BB gun first than the katana girl. But that is if hutten can make use of the gun....

[velvet slate]

this event current gun is not that great due to how high its reloading is. it can be good in situation where you know you are doing or need it for a specific timing but as a general rule is not a great general use weapon

But since you are new, you can most probably make pretty good use of it on Ulrich if u have her and is definitely worth picking regardless

[bold stream]

Okay thanks! I have her. Her skills reduce fire rate of guns she have. Thanks!

[cobalt rapids]

Average

[grizzled sundial]

Servicable , not meta good .

[shell willow]

does it matter who gets the type 95 kai? rest of the torps are bidders

[cobalt rapids]

37

Or 81

[whole crypt]

sup mogs

unless you're skipping hull 37 is probably the only one that wants oxytorp

[cobalt rapids]

95 kai not oxytorp

[mental marlin]

should i play unicorn with 2 steam catapults?

[whole crypt]

it technically is, just not aux oxytorp

but even then 81 doesn't want it, wolfpack not enough oxy/rld besides 37

[cobalt rapids]

i believe the whole wolfpack can use 95kai fine

[whole crypt]

haven't done serious math on how much of last reload you'll lose but I guess if you're hitting something that's not moving

[opaque gate]

my UVH is almost mlb while my musashi is on her base form, ichave 2 UR bullins, should i prioritize UvH?

[whole crypt]

have you picked up cruise and this event's milestone bulins

[opaque gate]

yep

[cobalt rapids]

only limit break ships when u can MLB em directly, but do musashi over uvh ( without further context)

[opaque gate]

so rn, ill go for uvh?

since 2 bullins are needed for her mlb, while 4 are needed for musashi mlb

[cobalt rapids]

no i mean to wait 2 more bulins and mlb musashi instead

[whole crypt]

do you have other UR BBs

[opaque gate]

none, but i have amagi cv and shinano alr. warspite is retrofitted, but she doesnt count lol

[whole crypt]

I'm tempted to say start with Musashi because UvH is kind of meh, but then you'll be short on bulins again in December so yeh, save for now

UvH can wait for dupes anyway when you get pity

[opaque gate]

ahh i see, so i can just keep pulling for musashi for now

[cobalt rapids]

with tickets only

[opaque gate]

why not with cubes?

[whole crypt]

with tickets, if you're out of tickets don't bother with cubes for dupe

[cobalt rapids]

coz pulling for dupes isnt worth it

[opaque gate]

oh lol, ive been pulling with cubes

[whole crypt]

why waste cubes for a ship you have, just wait for bulins

[cobalt rapids]

unless ure like 10 pulls away from pity

[whole crypt]

even if you don't bother with the collab you want to save cubes for Dec UR or other future events anyway

[opaque gate]

ok thanks, is boundary-crossing permit good?

[cobalt rapids]

nah

upgrade to lv 125 ships u use in hard content

[opaque gate]

and can i still level up my UvH even if not MLB? cuz im going for FDG, or just maintain my bismarck peter graf for now

[whole crypt]

tech stats come in at 120, 125 is for good ships you use in actually hard stuff

[whole crypt]

URs are not level capped by LB but you don't really want to use anyway if not MLB

[cobalt rapids]

u can but lb2 uvh is relatively easy to replace

[opaque gate]

ok thanks

[whole crypt]

don't go by tiers, look at end game meta comps and see which ships get used

ECTL doesn't tier ships by how often you'll find them in late chapters or showdown/arbiter comps

[cobalt rapids]

if u use the ships in hard content then u 125 them, 5 lvls are a much larger bonus than 1 120 tech bonus could provide
if u dont have ships ure using in hard content left to 125 then feel free to farm tech

lv125 takes a minimal amount of cogs anyway

[whole crypt]

also technically you could just level fodder to 120 and good ships to 125 at the same time

[cobalt rapids]

theres not rly a late-game catered tierlist yet

[whole crypt]

for a start there's very little need or reason to 125 T0 BBs if you have the rainbows at 125 so you could save the chips and XP for other stuff

Sirius isn't a high tiered ship but she fits well in CV boss comps but she arguably works fine even without 125

[cobalt rapids]

hard content currently is w15/harbiter/meta showdowns/cm

[late flame]

me when i though cm meant commercial message *challenge mode

[cobalt rapids]

this has been a commercial message

[whole crypt]

technically 13 hard almost falls in that category but it's easier than 15 besides the stat reqs

but yeh there's not much point trying to 125 the whole T0 roster, some of them are good but don't actually see action because better ships either also in T0 or T-Ex are permanent fixtures

[storm heron]

even tex like kron azuma nj uvh is not much point trying to 125

[whole crypt]

meanwhile some T1 or lower ships fit niches that make them show up rather often in the stuff umi said, like Kazagumo and Sirius for example

Azuma was off the table quite a while ago, NJ is still good if you don't have the full UR roster

UvH is kind of really niche if ever used at all by this point

Kronshtadt is only really replaced if you have the other CBs that are not Azuma

I still use her in some places though because decent crossfleet and high-ish DPS

[mental marlin]

should i use new jersey or fdg for the main fleet´?

[cobalt rapids]

you should use mlb ships

[whole crypt]

0LB URs are 🚮 including Musashi

[mental marlin]

yes, but which ship should i use when they are both mlb...

[gilded carbon]

Ignoring gear- and Skill-lvls. Will this do until i get a black shell?

[cobalt rapids]

fdg because she doesnt eat ur bulins

[whole crypt]

save UR bulins for newer ships first NJ has pity to fall on for dupes anyway

[mental marlin]

ok thanks

[storm heron]

the problem with 4 opsiren team is either the recommendation is too specific that people don't have the ships leveled, or too useless since harby and stronghold bar is not very high and you can have lots of solutions that works

[turbid dawn]

So first time getting Musashi and reading through the skills. I thought being revealed/detected was a CV thing only, what does it mean for Musashi to become 'detected'?

[whole crypt]

the thing is OS doesn't really matter anyway outside of arb

[steep bobcat]

does the "combat end notification" for when your phone vibrates at the end of a run not work for opsi?

[cobalt rapids]

w14 mechanic

[coarse heron]

In W14 BBs have a detection gauge as well

[whole crypt]

I play with no notifications so no idea about vibes

[turbid dawn]

That seems a bit strange that they'd implement a negative on a skill for one specific world, I completely forgot 14 had that lighthouse stuff

[storm heron]

greygoose had the picture of their opsi team, and I feel that's the best

[coarse heron]

It’s actually not a negative

[storm heron]

lemme try finding

[whole crypt]

this is what I use, not saying this is the best but past some point it makes no point improving your OS fleets further

[cobalt rapids]

bismarck zwei soyuz alsace - aegir hinden plymouth
amagi(cv) implac shinano - guam kazagumo sirius
kearsarge yk2 enterprise - laffey 2 aurora eldridge

[whole crypt]

there is no one "best" setup for OS

[turbid dawn]

How is it not? If that line of text didn't exist the skill would be better, no? You don't want your backline attacked at all

[dreamy canopy]

Is this good for Zwei or FdG?

[wind hazel]

no

[cobalt rapids]

niche

[coarse heron]

It’s because she has bullet magnetism against enemy attacks

Cause Musashi to be prioritized by enemy attacks if they are both valid targets.

It prevents the rest of your main fleet from being targeted which is why she goes to auto detected

[storm heron]

here

[cobalt rapids]

siren weakness dont work

[whole crypt]

the fleets are decent but again there's no "best" fleet

[plain saffron]

that works, even though weakness doesn't

[coarse heron]

If she didn’t get detected her skill wouldn’t work on W14

[storm heron]

1 should always be mobbing since if you do fleet deployment, your fleet will default into fleet 1

[turbid dawn]

I get that she's heavy armour and high HP pool, but still if I remember from doing W14 so so long ago wasn't the whole point that you just didn't want your backline being detected at all? Idk it just seems strange to me

[plain saffron]

nah i use 2 for mob from start and it's fine

[coarse heron]

You can’t always 100% guarantee your main fleet won’t get detected

[cobalt rapids]

she only gets auto-detected if another ship was detected, that means one of ur backliner was alr compromised so her skill works because it means she will protect the detected ship

[whole crypt]

ch14 it's basically impossible to stay undetected completely

[cobalt rapids]

ud rather have bb shells aimed at musashi than at unicorn trust me

[turbid dawn]

Didn't you only get detected from the sucidide light ships and planes? I remember having a completley auto fleet for it even on lethal

[coarse heron]

Kagerou production rammers cause detection too

[whole crypt]

full auto doesn't mean you don't get detected it just means you can survive it

[cobalt rapids]

and fires and ur own launches

fusou prods still wild shell ur backline and can cause wildfires

[coarse heron]

Also yeah Fusou production ships don’t need detection to hit your main fleet

They just do the saturation artillery on it

[cobalt rapids]

shot in the dark

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I remember having to time airstrikes that they'd be insta killed when they spawned in. Anyways thanks for the info

[coarse heron]

Also BBs in W14 don’t get a damage bonus from no detection so there’s no benefit to her staying undetected besides can’t be directly targeted which you don’t want to happen anyway because of her bullet magnetism skill

[storm heron]

Musashi fleet with gimmick should have the same expected ehp as someone else like fdg, with it having much lower variant since unicorn and other backline will stay alive

oh wait it is basically no variance compared to random

[coarse heron]

Means Unicorn will always heal Musashi instead, really

[spark ridge]

best things to buy with special item tokens? the rainbow stuff from st petersburg? i didnt see a shop prio in the newbie guide

[whole crypt]

not sure what grey is trying to do with that even, no idea what fleet 4 is

[coarse heron]

You’ll earn enough to clear the shop if you clear every zone and do all the Strongholds but uhhhh T4 plates priority

[wind hazel]

4 is crossfleet, duh...

[whole crypt]

I guess?

[wind hazel]

#gameplay-help message

rough guide

[spark ridge]

clear as in just explore?

[coarse heron]

Yeah if you clear every zone + every Hidden zone + all your strongholds

You end up with a fuck load of tokens

[storm heron]

#gameplay-help message
it should be this one then

[spark ridge]

T3 ordanance testing report not listed there?

[coarse heron]

Things to never buy from the shop: repair kits, you’ll never use them all and they don’t turn into vouchers

[storm heron]

The energy thingy too

[storm heron]

this one is better then #gameplay-help message

[coarse heron]

You’ll easily earn enough to clear the shop if you commit to playing OpSi so it doesn’t really matter unless you can’t clear all the zones with your ships

[spark ridge]

ty

[whole crypt]

ew BB in mob fleet is slow

[coarse heron]

The Rainbow prototype upgrade I would say is actually low priority as you don’t really need that many and you only need them to +13 a UR gear

[spark ridge]

well i struggle with corruption 6 with my eagle frontliners im using for research lmao. not sure how they fare with my normal frontline

not sure if i can stronghold either

[coarse heron]

Do you have enough tuning?

[barren tapir]

also tuning, never buy tuning its just qol so you get max power sooner but you get more than enough thru regular opsi grind

*if you are new, tuning is good

[spark ridge]

i think so, 184 171 176

[coarse heron]

I only buy tuning cause I’m impatient

[wind hazel]

[storm heron]

get surv to 184 and it should be able to handle everything but harby at max adapts

[barren tapir]

ye its basically a speedup if you wanna go faster, but unnecessary otherwise u technically get more vouchers by skipping them kek

[storm heron]

unfortunate

[coarse heron]

188/188/188 is tuning cap for everything but Arbiter

[spark ridge]

u gotta clear story every month? or just once. dont think ive cleared story yet so no arbiter

[barren tapir]

188/188/144

story is one time, clear story so you unlock the opsi reset

[spark ridge]

should i be focusing on that first

[coarse heron]

Story is only one time

[storm heron]

oh it's 188, I'm getting the numbers mixed

[barren tapir]

prioritize story because reset = shops reset yada yada it's great

[coarse heron]

It won’t reset if you don’t clear Chapter 4

[spark ridge]

ah, im in chap 5

[wanton dawn]

sry i dont quite get why I shld do d1-d3 once a day? it doesnt give x3 bonus right?

[tame jungle]

it does

[storm heron]

chap 5 is harby isn't it

[barren tapir]

ch4 clear unlock reset and ch5 clear unlock arbiter which gives yummy rewards (do normal arbiter even if it takes you 30 battles, it's worth it kek)

[whole crypt]

ch5 is fine you only need to clear 4 for monthly reset

[plain saffron]

rerun does

[coarse heron]

During rerun all maps give daily bonus

[spark ridge]

ah so im nearly there

[wanton dawn]

ohhhh coz im not having rerun that's why....

[barren tapir]

it does, because rerun

[plain saffron]

rerun applies to everyone

[storm heron]

oh you're in TW?

[wind hazel]

he's playing in different server

[barren tapir]

oh different schedule

[wanton dawn]

yea sorry sorry im playing the first soyuz event now....

[plain saffron]

should have clarified that first

[wanton dawn]

mbmb😭

[wind hazel]

grind D3, as usual

[rain bobcat]

[wanton dawn]

okok so except for b1-b3, just spam d3 then

[eternal basalt]

Why b?

[rain bobcat]

only spam d3

[wind hazel]

low cost maybe

[barren tapir]

b1-3 only worth with very low oil

[wanton dawn]

for low oil ig? someone suggested that

[barren tapir]

by low oil they mean 4 oil max

[rain bobcat]

b1-b3 and d1-d2 only worth doing during rerun or very very low oil

[storm heron]

for new event low-oil a1 to b3 btw, then D3 spam

[eternal basalt]

Even b1/b2

[plain saffron]

#gameplay-help message

why do a and b

[wind hazel]

no idea

[plain saffron]

just straight to c then d

[storm heron]

daily x3 isn't it?

[barren tapir]

low oil b is cursed strat anyway

[wanton dawn]

ohhhhh ic tyty, didnt know the d3 map weapon drop was that gd

[storm heron]

wait they don't have x3?

[plain saffron]

they do

[barren tapir]

it's only something you consider if the d map drops are shit and you have loads of spare time imo

[wanton dawn]

i dont have x3 now

[storm heron]

oh ok

[wind hazel]

if you can, with 3-4oil fleet, it's better to run A and B until they are 3* before spamming D3

[plain saffron]

yeah bcs not rerun

[eternal basalt]

a-b DO have x3 (rerun x5)

[storm heron]

clear once x3 with as low oil as possible, and then spam d3

[plain saffron]

btw did yostar put AL EN back on M series mac

[wind hazel]

if you can't, then rip bozo

[wanton dawn]

yea u also get free cubes that way from missions

[plain saffron]

A/B share missions with C/D

[wanton dawn]

yea i can do only two ships for d as well

[whole crypt]

x3 is only once daily

[wind hazel]

wtf

[storm heron]

they were asking why do A and B, just go straight to C/D ( )

[wanton dawn]

:0 oh right mb

[plain saffron]

so you can skip A/B and lose nothing other than daily x3

[whole crypt]

on reruns

[wanton dawn]

ohhh so a b is basically useless then

[eternal basalt]

They said they have no x3 and showed D

[wanton dawn]

like no matter what unless low oil

[wind hazel]

it's really only worth to do if you wanna save oil before clearing the map

[wanton dawn]

okok ty guys

[mental marlin]

is there any setting, where i can tell my boss fleet only to attack the boss?

[eternal basalt]

It's worthless in current new maps with 1x clear is done also on c/d

[plain saffron]

yes, when choosing fleet right side tabbers

[wanton dawn]

yea here

[wind hazel]

click on role

[mental marlin]

wowwww okay i see, flagships (second option) =boss unit right?

[plain saffron]

yes

[mental marlin]

thanks

[coarse heron]

Nope you have to use PlayCover still and get decrypted IPA from weird sites

[plain saffron]

i just remember i need to add maps on my site

[wind hazel]

why arent our app saratoga

[plain saffron]

😔

[pale wing]

Does anyone know its purpose?

[bold stream]

Hello all, is event map C3 worth farming for a new player? I can farm C3 with my best ships but is still locked out of D1 due to lvl requirements.

[coarse heron]

You farm the highest level map you can

[whole crypt]

most event aux items are more flavour than actually useful

[bold stream]

It does not have the gold ship from B3 tho..

[coarse heron]

Okay and? Points are more useful than a mid ship

[pale wing]

I just need a good equipment
Plus i can't remove Autoloader on Musashi, else the reload will be bit long

[whole crypt]

you probably have serious gear problems

as in you're using the wrong gear

[bold stream]

Ah. Okay. Thanks

[coarse heron]

You should still do all the other maps once a day for free 5x and 3x points

[barren tapir]

poverty torp stat pad if you lack oxytorps i guess

i definitely wouldve appreciated it when doing w12 hm for the first time

[pale wing]

Can't remove 356mm as i need a decent Japanese Maingun, so i used that instead of the 410mm

Can't remove Autoloader for reload

Can't also remove Fuel Filter, too

[barren tapir]

purple twin 410 doko?

[pale wing]

Yup, the Japanese one

[whole crypt]

what level are you even playing at

[coarse heron]

What in tarnation

[barren tapir]

well anyway just ignore musashi until you can mlb her. problem solved!

[whole crypt]

the gun is hardly the biggest problem you have now

[pale wing]

I'm in LV34!
what do i expect???

[barren tapir]

well anyway just ignore musashi until you can mlb her. problem solved!

[whole crypt]

you expect your BBs to do nothing like every other low player

even if they're rainbow

[barren tapir]

tbf they shouldnt use musashi rn anyway so it's moot

[pale wing]

Plus i was grinding for 460mm

[barren tapir]

just use pennsylvania unicorn whatever

[whole crypt]

triple 460 won't make your problem better

[forest palm]

that aside she's not even Max Limit Broken which is the major issue here

[pale wing]

I do have the twin 410mm and twin 150mm...

[barren tapir]

newbie? follow this and ignore URs for a while beyond obtaining them if you can: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

(you can level their skills in advance but dont use them without mlb)

[whole crypt]

to be fair a 1 or 2 LB Musashi is probably going to be better than Penn, but don't bother before that

[barren tapir]

perhaps, but you want penn for tech anyway so not like she's bad to keep using until musashi is fully ready

[whole crypt]

early game low BB RLD is a very normal problem and they end up not doing very much damage
it doesnt' help that your gun is only +2 which makes it even slower

[barren tapir]

penns barrage is also timed and therefore good regardless of your lack of gear/rld

[pale wing]

Welp, imma retire someone

[barren tapir]

?

[whole crypt]

I'm guessing he's out of space to buy penn and need to scrap ships, otherwise no idea

[barren tapir]

who exactly are you retiring

[wind hazel]

aurora

[whole crypt]

but if not enough space then buy more space or something

[barren tapir]

shouldnt run into space issues quite that soon, probably hasnt used commons to enhance yet

[whole crypt]

shrug

[wind hazel]

if they are farming event it adds up real quick

[whole crypt]

won't know till he comes back... then probably find out he did something wrong again

[barren tapir]

i mean that they should still have some space if they are enhancing ships

[wind hazel]

tru

[plain saffron]

inb4 3 slot

[obsidian ivy]

What should I craft with my UR ords and general prints? I was thinking of grabbing a spearfish and start UR DD guns, or AA since I want to start W15 soon

[atomic abyss]

Well 1 457 is enough if you intend to use Musashi as your other BB

[pale wing]

Good news is that i'm at 4-4
But the bad news is—

THE EVENT

[obsidian ivy]

Yea I'll be using sushi

[atomic abyss]

Spearfish is viable, but I would consider at least 1 or 2 more UR AA

There's an argument to be made the spearfish can be better than the wyvern cos you sac AA for more focused damage on certain elites

I personally don't agree it with it though

[cinder hornet]

I've realized I ran out of coins, is there any way to get them that I'm not doing or am I (most likely the case) misusing them?

[crimson glacier]

farming w12 is the usual way to gain gold

[plain saffron]

farm 9-1 or above, below that only daily stages gives a lot

[obsidian ivy]

Alright. How big of an upgrade is the UR DD gun compared to golds (I know this question sounds dumb)

[vivid bear]

Collab when?

[pale wing]

I'm trying to reach that level tho

[cobalt rapids]

100 kai

[barren tapir]

coins are rough as a new player, gotta be careful with how you spend them until you can reach ch9+ or do D event maps

[cinder hornet]

Ok, not there yet, I'm at chapter 6 and now farming the event. I believe that I'm using them for researchs, should I not use them there? cos I was about to summon for Mushashi and I just cant lol 🤣

[pale wing]

Man, the current event is too tempting to complete

[barren tapir]

definitely dont invest coins into research until w12 (imo) you wont be able to efficiently farm research ship exp etc etc anyway til then

[gloomy mesa]

do we know what the next ur banner is?

[barren tapir]

(a little is fine if ur sitting on a lot of coins, but be VERY careful)

[coarse heron]

For some ships it’s amazing

[atomic abyss]

It will be a new UR
So no

[pale wing]

Should i do the event tho or...

[barren tapir]

yes always do event when it is active

[gloomy mesa]

what about the estimated date?

[atomic abyss]

End December

[cobalt rapids]

outclasses all golds except tash and sap gun on their respective armor types for pure gun focused dd slots ( no to low aoa/on fire barrage dmg distribution )
only outmatched by mogador gun
u should make 1 or 2

[pale wing]

I do some Commission tasks btw

[gloomy mesa]

thank you very much for the information

[obsidian ivy]

Alright ty

[bold stream]

Hello all. Is there a point to 3* the C event maps?

[cobalt rapids]

missions

[boreal wagon]

(provided u haven't 3 starred a already)

[bold stream]

I cant find the 3* goal on the mission list tho? What rewards did you guys get?

[boreal wagon]

https://cdn.mrlar.dev/i/SQpB1n6H8JhbeZFEpEQh3.png

if you already 3 starred A stages you do not get the rewards again, which might be why you don't see them

[bold stream]

I see... I 3* all a and b srages

So no point on 3* the C and D stages...

[boreal wagon]

not really if you have done a and b yeah

the point of them sharing the rewards is, so that players can pick their play style
as some people only do c and d (and never touch a and b)