gameplay-help

[tall forge]

?

i did this long ago

[atomic abyss]

much better

[sudden sparrow]

That works.

[fiery raptor]

how about the german bricks otto and felix, does it make sense for them to steering gear?

[atomic abyss]

nope

[barren tapir]

+6 the auxes

[atomic abyss]

well ok, i'll be frank

[fiery raptor]

still double toolbox or the gold equivalents?

[sharp socket]

for cruisers itll be washing machine + toolbox/eva aux

[atomic abyss]

the short answer is no

the long answer is, it's complicated

[sharp socket]

(i dont know who otto is)

[atomic abyss]

felix but slightly worse

[strong tartan]

otto von alvensleben, she came with bismarck zwei

[sharp socket]

so also a DD

[tall forge]

help how do dido

[fiery raptor]

theyre going to w15, if they don't need it i can move them washing maxhines elsewhere

[barren tapir]

i feel like that's a maybe

[fiery raptor]

oh yeah haw aboout mogador do she washing machine?

[hollow gust]

You will benefit more from reading the w15 guide

[atomic abyss]

oh if you dont have enough, without question, they absolutely dont want them lol

the short answer is no DD wants a washing machine
period

[fiery raptor]

i have a whole bunch

[strong tartan]

just put them on your cruisers

[atomic abyss]

prioritise your washing machine on your cruisers

[barren tapir]

meanwhile ectl

[atomic abyss]

i mean aurora, that's the short answer

[strong tartan]

and maybe like some cases in ch15

[hollow gust]

Eh Otto and Felix prefer washing machine

[atomic abyss]

the long answer is that it's not that simple

[barren tapir]

but yeah 100% they are low prio for washings if your cruisers still need them

[atomic abyss]

even z46 can prefer washing machine lol

[civic oak]

There. I shoulda done that the first time.

[barren tapir]

since they can do just fine with double toolkits

[tall forge]

whats the best gear for kearsarge

[atomic abyss]

eHP calcs from even 2019 already suggested that Z46 may prefer washing machine lol

[tall forge]

also waht do i do with this

[wind hazel]

enhance it to +10 and use it

[atomic abyss]

again, it's complicated

[barren tapir]

is there a particular HP threshold where that becomes a factor?

[fiery raptor]

that's good for kear

[atomic abyss]

back then we estimated it at around 2.5k HP iirc

but that's for 2019 enemies which have lower hit and all

[tall forge]

i replaced everything in her slot cuz i wont be using her till shes d30

[hollow gust]

If you are still lacking washing machines then you probably don't have the gear for w15

[sharp socket]

good for light armor, use in mob or bossing when you need it

[hollow gust]

Cause you really do need to min max for w15

[atomic abyss]

back in those days, only z46 showed a noticeable improvement for rudder

i believe otto and felix have even more skewed stats than z46 in terms of HP to eva ratio

[barren tapir]

put it on someone you're using right now

[sudden sparrow]

Y'all, should I?

[barren tapir]

absolutely

[sharp socket]

helldiver are better

[atomic abyss]

so they benefited more from the rudder's passive

[tall forge]

nj?

[civic oak]

It is her gun.

[barren tapir]

id assume felix especially since her luck is low being pr and all

[sharp socket]

create a thread for your gear help

[atomic abyss]

hence why i said, it's "complicated" regarding DDs and washing machine cos of those exceptional cases

[tall forge]

?

[stark quiver]

Yo can farming c5 give me t2 ords

[tall forge]

Gear help plz

[stark quiver]

It works for the meantime I guess

[sudden sparrow]

How so? Destroyers carry 3200 lbs of bombs rather than 3000 lbs and have a faster reload speed.

[atomic abyss]

relatively high hp for lower eva

[barren tapir]

felix and otto also gain 30% more stats from aux does that influence the decision

[sudden sparrow]

Not trying to argue with ya, I just wanna know.

[cobalt rapids]

cat nodes can give anything except t3 ord

[atomic abyss]

unfortunately, the bomb math doesnt work that way

[sharp socket]

see the individual bomb stats

[muted ember]

would prinz heinrrich be a better tanker than Fargo?

[barren tapir]

what matters is the dmg the bomb does

[stark quiver]

Are t2s pretty rare?

[cobalt rapids]

no they about the same and hein needs extra kms and fargo has better dmg anyway

[barren tapir]

ty for the infos it's very interesting

[atomic abyss]

compare the 1x2000lb + 2x 500lb to 2x1600lb

[hollow gust]

Bigger bombs are more important then multiple smaller bombs in AL

[storm heron]

yea math is just math sadly

[fiery raptor]

fargo is as tanky as prinz heinrich?

[atomic abyss]

azuma what the fuck you doing there

[hollow gust]

Pretty sure that's unbuffed Heinrich

[tall forge]

one battle made laffeys health this low on w9/3 should i be worried

[sudden sparrow]

Yeah, it makes sense now.

[sharp socket]

according to ehp doc you can go with yes

[cobalt rapids]

pretty sure thats buffed heinrich

[stark quiver]

Mebot sheet? Btw what does the percentages stand for

[civic oak]

Also worth noting that every bomb is a potential hit. I hate single bomb aircraft for that reason. They're inconsistent.

[cobalt rapids]

% of portland ehp

[sharp socket]

% of portland retro ehp

[atomic abyss]

eHP ratio to portland's

[stark quiver]

[barren tapir]

not if you have unicorn

[fiery raptor]

great to hear I was feeling I was wasting resources gearing her up just because I like her and now i have a legit use for her

[atomic abyss]

@slow fox kun is this buffed heinrich?

[tall forge]

i think i have her i just dont use her

[sudden sparrow]

Wait, do bomb stats show the damage for one bomb on a plane or all of them?

[cobalt rapids]

unbuffed hein is worse than portland

[barren tapir]

so you are not using a healer?

[sharp socket]

all the bombs

[stark quiver]

So what I’m seeing is lil eugen gud tank

[fiery raptor]

does fargo have an esoteric loadout or is her aux just toolbox/bulge + washing machine?

[tall forge]

is anyone here a healer?

[atomic abyss]

none

[cobalt rapids]

not esoteric loadout

[sharp socket]

well the ingame stat shows you each specific bomb, multiply by number of bombs for that type of bomb

[civic oak]

Pretty sure each bomb has it's own damage.

[haughty dust]

Is this character any good? Also, is this weapon worth getting?

[cobalt rapids]

decent tank, portland slightgrade possibly uneeded

[sharp socket]

ok and yes

[barren tapir]

shes ok and the weapon is niche but get it anyway

[atomic abyss]

good as a tank, but you already have better
gun is niche, still get it anyways

[spark ridge]

Get weapon, in case it has use in future

[stark quiver]

It will have use, niche doesn’t mean bad anyways

[barren tapir]

well with those levels u shud be fine honestly but if not then just ditch someone for unicorn and done

[civic oak]

I'm pretty sure I'm horiffically misusing it but I have that gun on alsace for some reason.

[haughty dust]

so get the gun, but the character is either waifu or Fleet tech?

[tall forge]

shes level 1

[atomic abyss]

she is russian, and russian tech is a bit hard to come by

[barren tapir]

shes like slightly better than portland but uses gold bulins so

[civic oak]

Got her a crapton of MVPs though....

[barren tapir]

but good for the russian tech ye

[tall forge]

how good is a fully lb kearsarge

[atomic abyss]

extremely

[strong tartan]

amazing per usual

[atomic abyss]

UR after all

[civic oak]

Limit break your kearsarge.

[barren tapir]

excellent

[sharp socket]

mvp control depends on the ships in the fleet, and backline almost always take mvp

[tall forge]

oh shit mb d30

[haughty dust]

OK, still gonna go for the UR event character as much as I possibly can

I assume she is important to get?

[atomic abyss]

she is yes

[strong tartan]

just beware, only use the tickets and not use cubes on the banner

[fiery raptor]

you want musashi especially in late game

[haughty dust]

So I noticed

[barren tapir]

end screen sama is not particularly reliable

i mean use cubes too if you have enough and dont care about collab

[civic oak]

True, but it was fun.

[barren tapir]

ye ofc i enjoy every time sara dominates amagicv

[fiery raptor]

did people run aa radar on the mob bb in w15, i remember not using one on BZ, will girl like Soyuz and Alsace need it if I take them there?

[strong tartan]

nerf

[muted ember]

Ok so,I did take away all of Portland's gear and put it on Anchorage, would it be better to use Portland than Fargo for mob tank?

[hollow gust]

Hood better then Musashi, my w14 end screenshot shows orb

[civic oak]

It was apparently the frontloaded damage lopping opportunities away from other ships in mob-fleet battles.

[hollow gust]

Fargo better

Lmao this screenshot shows Alsace Bad

[slow fox]

Buff?

[hollow gust]

Heinrich gets buffs while sortieing with ironblood ship

[slow fox]

Sic 'em, Eisen!?

[civic oak]

I missed fargo. Is she a decent tank?

[slow fox]

Yes. It is buffed Heinrich.

[fiery raptor]

tough as hell apparently

[cobalt rapids]

aa radar situationally good depending how much aa dmg ur bb eats
usually on musashi because she gets a concentrated plane diet

[barren tapir]

solid ship in general i think

[atomic abyss]

better than portland but you wouldnt use her as a tank in any tough content

she is not like tank-tank material

[slow fox]

Yeah, the baseline for tanks is now Anchorage Fated.

[cobalt rapids]

i thought its napoli

[slow fox]

Napoli baseline soon

[barren tapir]

what is ancho fs5 ehp?

[sharp socket]

like 140% iirc

[slow fox]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/ehp

[atomic abyss]

150

sorry, 155

150 is d30

[sharp socket]

even higher than i thought

[hollow gust]

I mean Napoli is 180 isn't she

[barren tapir]

woo nice fancy ended up lower than i thought huh

[atomic abyss]

172 on her own

[civic oak]

I remember when anchorage was the top-line....

[hollow gust]

She is prob gonna be the go to for EX

[atomic abyss]

...is 134% really lower than you thought?

that is higher than VH azuma and kron without VH ya know

[slow fox]

Hmm. I wonder. A lot of that eHP is stored in the Smoke.

[barren tapir]

i thought i remembered 3 gear (including beaver) hitting 140ish

[hollow gust]

EVA rate is really really strong

[atomic abyss]

no it was always around 130

[storm heron]

anchorage is the base line!

[sharp socket]

fancy not being explode immediately is surprising to me

[slow fox]

^

[atomic abyss]

her shields are basically a better version of what neppy got from her aug

ofc she wont be of any use in a plane map but hey

[hollow gust]

Also anchor's biggest thing is that her smoke affects her allies too. Agir is generally tankier in most content

[atomic abyss]

opsi exists

[barren tapir]

said 146% here

[slow fox]

Smoke contribution to eHP is like 1%

[barren tapir]

or is that for a specific configuration of dmg taken

[slow fox]

This is the 2 + tag consideration.

It's a gear configuration.
The one that's present in eHP 3 is Sail Tool Fruit.

[barren tapir]

yeah thats what i was remembering

so 2 + tag is still 146 then? ty for the clarifications

[slow fox]

Yes!

Sail Fruit Tag is 146.

[atomic abyss]

for lack of a better phrase

[barren tapir]

almost ancho level

[atomic abyss]

im sure they created her kit as a flight of fancy but

that is kinda insane

[slow fox]

Devs blessed us with good Tempesta ship

[barren tapir]

tbf she does need augment for that which also means she's the best she will ever be, short of new op tempesta aux

but yeah its great

[hollow gust]

Let's be honest , she is gonna be forgotten like Kala in a few months

[civic oak]

So what is 3 std ABS?

[slow fox]

%Ports as a unit of measure, where 100 %Port is one Portland Kai tanky.

[slow fox]

Absolute 3 Standard Deviations

According to math blah blah blah, it's the +- range of eHP you can expect the ship to fall into, for those situations.

[atomic abyss]

99% confidence interval

[slow fox]

So, if you had a ship with eHP 100% and 3STD 20%, you can reasonably expect her actual damage taken to always be between 80% to 120%

[storm heron]

lol 0.5% sig level, two tails

[vale spindle]

except for the 0.5% chance she takes 100% damage (can't go higher because death)

[civic oak]

So it's a range of potential variation from the baseline value?

[atomic abyss]

essentially yes

[slow fox]

Is that what it is? I was just gonna say "It's the width of the gaussian"

[alpine condor]

i ran out of cubes i'm on one cube trying to get musashi and got her on the 190th pull might as well right?

i should just do it right

[atomic abyss]

does that include the 40 tickets

[vale spindle]

use build tickets

[civic oak]

So why do the toughest ships vary more?

[alpine condor]

no lmao

[atomic abyss]

it depends on the skill

[alpine condor]

i spent about 200 leftover cubes from all over the years or something

[vale spindle]

then u will reach it as you use build tickets over the next weke

[atomic abyss]

im assuming you're referring to ning, ping and yat here?

[slow fox]

That's because the toughest ships have a high eHP at all.

That's the (ABS) part of the 3STD. These are absolute precentages.

If you took the relative 3STD, you would find that Guam has a very high signal-to-noise ratio.

[inner delta]

[alpine condor]

i lost maybe about a year of cubes

[vale spindle]

sounds complicated i just see cb and go "wow tanky lets use them"

[slow fox]

Yuki I swear I'm not spreading misinformation this time

[vale spindle]

you get 200 cubes / month if you play daily

[inner delta]

i didn't say anything

[vale spindle]

the only issue with spending cubes now is that you might not have cubes for the collaboration event which will be announced in 2-3 hours

[alpine condor]

ion play daily no mo

[alpine condor]

dawg...

[glacial harness]

dawg, how many events are left...

[atomic abyss]

the game isnt gonna eos anytime soon
how would we know how many events are left

if you mean this year? at least 2 more
likely 3

[glacial harness]

I just want some space to rebuild cube stock

[atomic abyss]

including a new UR one potentially

[sharp socket]

next UR is in end of dec/start of jan, so you have some time

[finite crag]

doing dalies takes like 5 minutes and gets you at least what 167? cubes per month

[civic oak]

Are these deviations derived from the EHP then?

[sharp socket]

theyre derived from whatever magic mebot does when calculating them

[vale spindle]

its pretty shrimple actually
theres at minimum

• collab event
• end of year UR event

at most, theres a gap for a rerun between them thats basically it

[civic oak]

Aren't a lot of those ships skill-dependant?

[atomic abyss]

sam did you miss the second sentence

[alpine condor]

oh ya is it fine doing the event with a fleet for the shipyard exp thing

[slow fox]

Yes! Here's the short theory:

eHP is viewed as a stochastic chain of coin flips. This gives you a negative binomial distirbution.

For large N, you can approximate the negative binomial with a gaussian.

Take the width of the gaussian.

[vale spindle]

yes yes i did cause i was googling event schedule

[atomic abyss]

portland is like, the only ship where skill isnt relevant at all

[slow fox]

Wrong, her average 4% DmgRed skill adds SQRT(4/eHP) to the total width.

[atomic abyss]

4% 💀

[slow fox]

Yes. I work very hard to incorporate and model the skills into the ship's tankability.

Always open for improvements, of course. eHP4 coming Jan1 2027.

[atomic abyss]

202...6?

[sharp socket]

no one except mebot knows what magic he’s saying or doing but his calcs are mostly accurate and thats what matters

[storm heron]

science communication be like

[slow fox]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_binomial_distribution -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_function ->

[civic oak]

Ok, so base HP is gonna be what it's gonna be. Skills, though, are going to vary based on their trigger criteria. Is that it? The cause of the big deviations on those ships?

[autumn egret]

I got musashi but my fleet is full...I don't know who to sacrifice ;-;

[Fleet 1 Unicorn,Amagi(CV), Bismarck Zwei]

[Fleet 2 Friedrich,New Jersey,Changchun(missile)]
Any recommendation on who to replace here with musashi?

[atomic abyss]

chang chun, though there are a lot of things changeable there

she is way better as frontliners

[slow fox]

Skills also affect the highest probable eHP, which would be the value present in "Total eHP." Some negatively, some positively. This affects the width.

Different contributions to the highest probable eHP affect the width differently.

For example, DmgRed and healing skills increase the highest probable eHP without affecting the width much.

However, EVARate and EVABoost skills increase the highest probable eHP while affecting the width a lot.

[hollow ridge]

guys is musashi with no copy good enough and use my 2 UR bulin + 1 from 15k currency in event to dupe her or wait till next new UR? someone said its in dec

[paper mural]

What's better to have on Hakuryuu and Shinano? The new PR7 UR plane or a converging TB plane?

[outer walrus]

I need help with various aspects about units/gear/awakening upgrading. It would require share screen. It's better than sharing a trillion pictures. Anyone up for it?

[civic oak]

Evasion skills get calculated against accuracy, and I assume this is where the variation comes from there? Their effect is dependant on the opponent?

[barren tapir]

just make a thread

[storm heron]

just share pictures in a thread, someone should be up

[atomic abyss]

if you cant mlb a UR, wait till you get 4 and then ask again to be sure

[outer walrus]

It's too much stuff to make a thread.

[hollow ridge]

ok

[atomic abyss]

pr7 ur plane is a fighter
only use it if your slot is fighter locked against med/heavy

[atomic abyss]

thats the whole point of a thread

[storm heron]

like what, 4k dock space?

[outer walrus]

What I'm trying to avoid here is to take a screenshot of everything I need and have doubts about, because it's too much, that's why I consider sharing screen would be a time saver for both parts.

[atomic abyss]

filter to SR and UR only then

[slow fox]

Yes. There's also variation in the distribution of how skills activate. However, that's not accounted for in the current model because we just assume a reasonable skill proccing.

The effect is dependent on the opponent indeed, because that affects accuracy.

tl;dr - you're correct in sourcing the variance from the accuracy, because that's exactly where the stochastic process comes into play.

[hollow ridge]

oh yeah i forgot, i can get 1 from monthly shop was well if i remember (i rarely play lol). So just need to get 15k currency total in event and then i'll ask again or can wait for any new UR news. But can musashi UR still work with no dupes or have to be max to work?

[atomic abyss]

as with any UR, she wants to be mlb

[civic oak]

Math is amazing....

[atomic abyss]

i wont deny she works better than most UR BB without mlb but i would not recommend it in the slightest

[hollow ridge]

oh ok, but do i wait for the new upcoming UR or just mlb musashi?

[atomic abyss]

wait first imo

level her skills in the meantime ofc

[civic oak]

So, I noticed other columns for specific battle types. What's special there?

[hollow ridge]

yeah, i dont even play much and i just logged in today since halloween and saw her in UR banner thingy lol

[broken lance]

Hey all im fairly new and just got to chapter 5 and im getting destroyed is there any tips to get stronger fast im trying to get to later story to grind for st louis

[hollow ridge]

built*

[barren tapir]

do the event right now

[civic oak]

Wait, those all have special effects in play, iirc.

[glacial harness]

remember to buy the special cores from the medal shop and the black friday shop if you haven't

[slow fox]

Some people don't like particular ensemble calculations of eHP.

The Challenge eHP only considers the Constellation/Challenge Modes, and would be most relevant for that.
Then META eHP.
Then Arbiter eHP.
Then Abyssal eHP.
Then Stronghold eHP.

The neat thing about the special effects that happen in whatever Challenge/Arbiter - is that mere raw increases of damage output, or some global modifier to damage taken, or increases to enemy stats - do NOT affect the relative eHP calculation.

[hollow ridge]

btw does the black friday shop only opened for today right?

[glacial harness]

nope

[hollow gust]

Ex battle time

[slow fox]

-# For reference, most of the increases to enemy stats happen to be offensive stats that are NOT hit/lck, which is why the calculations are unaffected.

[hollow gust]

[muted ember]

also what's the use of Challenge mode

[slow fox]

-# I might entertain doing EX eHP for the endgame glazers in the chat.

[crimson glacier]

stop being cringe and type like a normal person

[cobalt rapids]

flex and pretty portraits

[slow fox]

@ mods I'm being bullied

[civic oak]

IT COULD BE WORSE. AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT SPAMMING CAPS.

[hollow gust]

[storm heron]

sup mogs

[cobalt rapids]

also a good testing ground most of the time

[barren tapir]

also https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[slow fox]

-# (edited)

[broken lance]

Ty!

[tall forge]

good?

[cobalt rapids]

use smth like purple cudas otherwise its fine

[barren tapir]

its ok, can be improved (namely the torp bomber if you got any)

[hollow gust]

If you think about it this way, top10 ehp usually doesn’t matter in most content, most are interchangeable , but it does for ex

[cobalt rapids]

is lv1 helena in top10 ehp ?

[hollow gust]

Manjuu

[storm heron]

portland can also manjuu does that mean 100% ehp

[glacial harness]

You have at least until nov 20 for the black friday shop and buying out the PT shop is easy. Coin shop a bit more expensive but can also buy out if you spend the clearing rewards from doing D3.

[slow fox]

Top10 eHP includes chinawall, by the way. And I don't see that being used in EX. I think EX warrants a separate calculation.

[civic oak]

I'm with aurora. Fairy Barracudas would be a better option for torpedos.

Swordfish is ironically short a fish.

[hollow ridge]

well i only just logged in today since Halloween and i one cleared the 10/10 specialized core lol and i dont need ther things like 50% discount item? or whatever that is called lmao

[glacial harness]

Just nab the gold bulin then

[civic oak]

Cuda loads faster too.

[hollow ridge]

oh ok, but for that i need space in my dock, f2p pain

[cobalt rapids]

can you afford to buy the PT shop ?

[hollow gust]

Play the game normally , u can get everything in point shop

[hollow ridge]

how am i suppose to collect waifu's then? buy dock space using gems?

[cobalt rapids]

isnt the currency limited

[glacial harness]

yes

[glacial harness]

the missions just reset, so no they aren't

[hollow gust]

That’s generally what f2p players should use most of their gems on

[atomic abyss]

/gems

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Gem Spending 101

Gems in Azur Lane are fairly rare from an F2P perspective. However, the gacha in Azur lane does not require gems and their main usage is expansion of facilities like dorm, academy, docks and depot, as well as buying resources, resource packs, premium items (rings and name change), and skins.

As an F2P, you can get up to 4700 guaranteed gems (3750 for 3* clearing all 15 main campaign worlds, 800 for completing Bands collection and 150 for 8 days login campaign), not counting random gems from commissions or occasional bonuses from events or other sources.

Considering limited availability of gems for F2P players, even if spent exclusively on QoL upgrades, it is impossible to upgrade everything.

This is the recommended way to spend gems as an F2P:

• 3rd Dorm slot (300 gems)
• Dorm 2nd floor (500 gems)
• Dock space (remaining gems)

The main purpose of the dorm is for faster morale regen while grinding. Using ships with 0 morale will receive a 50% exp penalty and lose affinity.

The 2nd floor of the dorm will have the same number of slots as the 1st floor. While it lacks passive exp gain, it has faster morale regen. 3 dorm slots with the 2nd floor gives you a total of 6 slots, which is enough for your whole mob fleet.

Dock space is the biggest constraint for players. While this can help casual players collect all their waifus, there is also practical use in collecting ships - for later levelling to get their fleet tech on reaching lvl 120. These are important for players as they provide crucial additional stats that help players to tackle the hardest content (W14/15, H.Arbiters, CM).

Alternatively, players may consider getting the 3rd Academy slot for faster skill training or more dorm slots instead of just dock space (not recommended).

While players may opt to buy skins/rings with the F2P gems, this will come at the cost of QoL. It is recommended to only buy those with real money 💳.

[cobalt rapids]

when are they reseting

[hollow ridge]

oh my, i wanted to save for skins lol

[atomic abyss]

skins are, mostly a 🐳 thing

[hollow gust]

Last year I bought out the shop with a lot of points to spare

[glacial harness]

00:00 UTC-7 along with everything else

[finite crag]

skins are purely a paid thing

[atomic abyss]

unless you intend to hurt your qol

[cobalt rapids]

only if ure 12/12?

[hollow gust]

If you don’t buy dock with the free gems then the game actually becomes unplayable after a while

[atomic abyss]

or you end up scrapping almost all your ships

[glacial harness]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Black_Friday_Akashi's_Fire_Sale#Daily_Missions

[atomic abyss]

...that's an awfully familiar story

[sharp socket]

you can also create multiple accounts and buy skins on those if you wish not to spend money

[glacial harness]

even if they are limited I'm still not done with the tactical training one and it's supposed to give 3000 when it's complete, so there's enough to buy out PT shop

[hollow ridge]

i got 600 gems so how many +1 dock space can i possibly get?

[glacial harness]

30 slots

[hollow ridge]

oh wow, do i just get 30 slots by using my gems then? just confirming lol

[hollow gust]

Well if you bought ur dorms yeah

[glacial harness]

You can get like 20 more from joining a guild and public guild tech too

[sharp socket]

30

[hollow ridge]

also how to auto delete those grey star (3*?) looking characters that i get by just clearing stages? i have to keep manually delete them its annoying

[sharp socket]

get a good guild with lv15 dock tech

[eternal basalt]

All missions reset, waaaaaay too many points for the shop

[cobalt rapids]

use quick retire, but u should instead use em to enhance ur other ships

[hollow ridge]

so u can get dorm +1 space using guild currency or how does that work if not using gems?

[glacial harness]

from public guild you get two per level

[eternal basalt]

Dorm +20

[finite crag]

the dock space from guild is a 1 time thing

[hollow ridge]

oh wow nice

[finite crag]

you get 30 or however many it is once and never again

so youll still be spending gems on dock

[sharp socket]

it is +30 dock space from guild tech

[finite crag]

cool

[hollow ridge]

so i just buy from this:

[eternal basalt]

Its cheaper joining a guild than using public guild

[glacial harness]

brb joining a guild

So can I just join any guild

[wind hazel]

join an active one

[atomic abyss]

you can check #1246721562741178410 btw

[hollow ridge]

so with my remaining gems, i buy this all the way now and keep buying?

[finite crag]

yea

[hollow ridge]

ok, well i already used gems before for dorm so will dump all remaining here then

[finite crag]

dorm is fine, as long as it isnt skins

[hollow ridge]

btw do i need to get dorm 2nd floor first?

[finite crag]

yes

[atomic abyss]

3 dorm slots and then get the 2nd floor is the recommendation

[zenith heron]

does Mogador have more uses in any content rather than Kronshtadt?

[hollow ridge]

what does that do?

[atomic abyss]

since it doubles your existing slots

[muted ember]

is there a use for Anti Submarine Aux?

[atomic abyss]

very high damage, extremely useful for stunning enemies and helping torpers like unzen

[left cedar]

Sonar ? no, pure trash
Hedge and Deepth Charges ? yes

[atomic abyss]

the hedgehog specifically is near mandatory in 14-3, 14-4, 15-3 and 15-4

cos of high HP enemy subs

[hollow ridge]

so for 2nd floor of dorm, do i need to get all 6/6 space in 1st floor? i only got 4 right now and for 5th slot it says 800 gems

[atomic abyss]

near mandatory, because stuff like eld have built in hedgehogs

[atomic abyss]

nope, can buy at any time once you expand the area (not slots) of first floor

even with just 2 slots

[muted ember]

thanks

[hollow ridge]

so where can i see the option for the 2nd floor? just expand my 1st floor first?

[atomic abyss]

fully expand the area of the first floor using decor tokens

[spark ridge]

Is the 1200 oil commission worth it, bc that’s like half of the daily oil isn’t it? Or better to farm event, or use only when ur not really using up all ur oil

[hollow ridge]

i buy this?

[atomic abyss]

better to farm event yes

[atomic abyss]

yes, this

to be clear

[spark ridge]

I couldn’t see any info of it on the newbie thingo. So rn better farm event, but if event is down just do it if not tryna use oil to farm money or something?

[atomic abyss]

training slots refer to slots that give exp

[hollow ridge]

so whom to put in 2nd floor?

[atomic abyss]

your mob fleet ships

[hollow ridge]

ok

[atomic abyss]

the primary purpose of the dorm is not exp
it's morale regen so you can farm more

[left cedar]

you have time to play ? are u a active player ?
them Event >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comm

Otherwise, u being a casual or lacking time to keep grinding, avoid be over cap with ur oil to keep gathering canteen and maximazing ur resourcers in ur own pace

[sharp socket]

eld has a hedgehog of her own?

[atomic abyss]

her retro gives her a hedgehog yes

hamman 2 also has a built in hedgehog

[left cedar]

so yeah, they make a safe for dummys that scraped hedge

[sharp socket]

i dont see in wiki how she gets an additional hedgehog from retro

[past jackal]

Wanna ask, I have around 7k oil save up in storage, not using it i find it hard to do my current dailies. I tot of saving it for next week event. I borught 0.99 event pack just to keep up with oil LEL.

Those event items kinda nice to have being new to the game. Eg rainbow gun, cog chip, tech boxes.

[sharp socket]

i could also be bad at reading but if you can show me where she gets more hedgehog thatll be great

[sharp socket]

…is that a real ss

[slow fox]

Yeah

[barren tapir]

amazing

[glacial harness]

lock em up, im looting them

[atomic abyss]

neither wiki nor DB says this

but the "special ASW gear" is a hedgehog

[jaunty vault]

dragon Ball?

[atomic abyss]

DB explanation is more accurate than wiki tho

the table doesnt even say she has AAGM+1 here, only the top bit

[boreal wagon]

its supposed to list ghosts too it just broke

[atomic abyss]

ah

found it

[boreal wagon]

ye its supposed to show it on the node too is what i mean

[sinful elk]

chat does deleting the 3d dorm datas help the game run faster

[atomic abyss]

it would help it take up less space

it shdnt have an impact on game speed

[sinful elk]

idk why but the game getting slower and lagger each updates for me

btw is it worth getting musashi's gun in the shop

[atomic abyss]

its niche but still worth getting

[sweet delta]

you don't equip them on ships?

[slow fox]

I took em off just for the sc. I finished putting them back on just now.

[sinful elk]

alr

[pine crystal]

How to do this event if there aren't any skins left to buy?

[sinful elk]

also are the event ships worth using aside from musashi

[atomic abyss]

tech only

waka has DD FP iirc

[sinful elk]

she has good Asw right?

[crimson glacier]

but asw isnt useful

[atomic abyss]

if you needed asw you'd just use eldridge

[sinful elk]

yeah

[atomic abyss]

but yeah i believe its good otherwise

[sinful elk]

btw yall got the image where it show the possible reruns

[bold stream]

Hello is sakawa good for new players?

[crimson glacier]

not especially

[atomic abyss]

not really

waka is better if you want to build a second fleet

[crimson glacier]

she is nothing special and gold bulins are valuable

[bold stream]

Okay thanks. I got two of her but not musashi

[boreal wagon]

im not entirely sure what you mean, unless you own literally all skins that are currently rerun (which i doubt), in which case - simply speaking you can't

[hollow ridge]

so to avoid confusion, if i just use 1x of those tickets you get from event milestones and at dailies, can the daily mission of "1 build" be completed or i have to use cubes for that?

[pine crystal]

Yes, I do, last black friday I bought about 300 skins and have been keeping up since

[atomic abyss]

the tickets work

[hollow ridge]

nice, might as well save cubes now on

[sharp socket]

guess youll have to remember to leave some for next black friday

[bold stream]

Who is the gold drop on the event b3? Looks like I will be stuck here since c1 has requirments

[atomic abyss]

wakatsuki

who is also in the event shop

[bold stream]

Good ship?

[atomic abyss]

for 8k event currency

[atomic abyss]

^

[bold stream]

Ah i see! Thanks!

[atomic abyss]

she's fine
nothing excellent

[bold stream]

I will be building her then

I got shortage of these good fine ships

[sinful elk]

soo uhh watarase is good/cracked or sth? I saw many use her

[left cedar]

and i thinking me and my 20s +13 are enough, wut a fool i'm

[atomic abyss]

good yes, cracked no

[pine crystal]

This was last year

[sinful elk]

dang shes good?? I just mlb her and let her sit in the dock all day

[atomic abyss]

good but nothing special

[plush bone]

she serves a similar purpose to Hindenburg I heard?

[atomic abyss]

her damage is a a bit high sure, but quite a handful are better

[crimson glacier]

what who

[atomic abyss]

and no, she isnt even remotely close to hinden

[sinful elk]

i finally have 2 good dps cls

[crimson glacier]

anything is good if your standards are low

[atomic abyss]

i mean

if thats your metric

sure i guess

CLs arent meant to be for DPS tho

[sinful elk]

my standard is literally anyone deals more dmg than kron and helena

[atomic abyss]

thats's REALLY low

[pine crystal]

Do you think sending a message to in-game support about this would do anything?

[boreal wagon]

very unlikely

[atomic abyss]

and yeah watarase would seem really very good because of that

[left cedar]

than Kron its ok ... its a gud margin ...
but helena ?
so in a base, things like Eugen it will be outside ... but things like Desu it will be "Gud"

[atomic abyss]

i implore you not to waste CS time on this

[sinful elk]

huh then whats class type for vanguard dps

[atomic abyss]

there isnt

thats not how you judge ships

you judge ships by the role they play

and most CLs simply are support oriented
or AA oriented

[bold stream]

Btw, how is ayanami for anew player?

Better than starting ships?

[atomic abyss]

equal to the other starting ships

[sinful elk]

what role does CLs play though

[atomic abyss]

^

[bold stream]

Wth... And she requires like 12 purples

[rare wyvern]

What is the maximum extra dock slots one guild can reach ?

[atomic abyss]

watarase aims to be DPS oriented but while high yes, its not like, actually very high in the grand scheme of things

[atomic abyss]

30

the issue with watarase is that she only has DPS and nothing else going for her

[plush bone]

she's an IJN DD that's torpedo oriented, that's what makes her better/worse than other starters depending on the content you're playing and fleet you're using around her. She's good

[atomic abyss]

and also that her DPS is heavily flagship dependent

[sinful elk]

it has to be a sakuran right

[atomic abyss]

the best CLs are those that can fill multiple roles

[pine crystal]

But won't I be missing an event specific item because of this? The "Traditional Garapon Wheel". I'd rather do all I can at a chance to not miss event items, I've barely missed a single one since the launch of this game

[atomic abyss]

so? it's not a technical issue at all

they will absolutely not entertain you

[barren tapir]

that sucks but plan better next time

[bold stream]

Contact cs i guess?

[boreal wagon]

you will be missing it for a whole year only

[atomic abyss]

CS wont entertain such requests

[boreal wagon]

because it reruns next black friday

[atomic abyss]

i implore you not to waste their time on such requests

[pine crystal]

Didn't exactly expect to be "punished" for spending money on this game

[pine crystal]

Really? Last black friday we didn't have it

[boreal wagon]

they did rerun in 2023
they just havent rerun before that

[barren tapir]

i dont think its a situation manjuu expects to come up often. besides, if you were here for black friday 2023 you'd know how black fridays work and know to save a few skins for 2024

[pine crystal]

Last black friday didn't have any exclusive items locked behind this

[boreal wagon]

we did
we do every year

[barren tapir]

but last black friday also had bonus items for buying skins

[pine crystal]

Which one of these is a limited item?

[boreal wagon]

and what i meant by the furniture will rerun is that you can buy the past ones in dorm shop every year

i believe in 2023 u got the item for just buying any skin

[pine crystal]

Ah, did not know

[barren tapir]

263 skins...is like 220k+ gems?

[boreal wagon]

my bad it was in dorm only, but it still isnt the first time we have gotten something exclusive
past black fridays have given furniture before

[sharp socket]

do these packs repeat or are one time only

[storm heron]

bought the day1 yesterday, did not come back today

[elfin hollow]

I got really lucky with my sakure empire pulls can I build a fleet with them? Are any of the ssrs or elites good?

[atomic abyss]

you have a few good ships that are currently useless because they cannot be max limit broken (the 3 rainbows + chikuma)

dont build faction fleets

build proper mixed fleets that'll get you through the bare minimum of content then you can consider fun fleets later

[elfin hollow]

ok thank you can I raise the URs regardless?

[atomic abyss]

raise but dont use till mlb

prioritise all the UR bulins into 1 ship - i would say musashi or amagi first

since she's already levelled, amagi is preferred

[elfin hollow]

ok thanks!!

[plush bone]

UR's cost a lot of oil to use, which doesn't matter if you have plenty but still

[sinful elk]

chat should i continue to go for musashi even though i got her ( i still have 500+ cubes left )

[atomic abyss]

no

use the free tickets

[little geyser]

Any of these worth getting?

[plush bone]

3 free tickets a day

[sinful elk]

i used.. all of them

[atomic abyss]

you get like 44 in total

stick with those and no more

[sinful elk]

i bought from shops and clearing maps i think thats all?

[plush bone]

you get some every day from missions

[bold stream]

I just got musashi.. i am lv 59.. what should be my general plan here? I can purchase my ur bullin on shop for this month.

[sinful elk]

yeah ig i will save for yk2

[atomic abyss]

not just yk2

the dec UR too

[sinful elk]

wtf we got an ur in decemember?

[atomic abyss]

we get new UR every 4 mths

[atomic abyss]

no change to your current singular beginner fleet

[plush bone]

and if you should get more Musashi's, it depends on what your available UR bullins looks like, if you care about the coming to love ru collab and if you want to get Musashi to a useable state ASAP

[bold stream]

Meaning i dont go near c1 of the event?

[atomic abyss]

focus on getting to B3 first...

[sinful elk]

i think im not in a rush since alsace nj and vanguard is doing good and i rather save for URs tbh

[atomic abyss]

ships are grossly underlevelled

[bold stream]

I am at b3 easy

[atomic abyss]

i wouldnt bother with C

[bold stream]

Yeah the avg lv 70 ships requirement is harsh

[atomic abyss]

unless you can get to C2

[plush bone]

hard mode event stages don't give clear rewards

• it'll be more efficient to farm normal stages for you

[atomic abyss]

and you dont even have enough resources for your first fleet

why worry about a second

[bold stream]

Okay thank you

[plush bone]

are they all max lb?

[sinful elk]

yes

[barren tapir]

i wouldnt bother with c2 unless you can be semi oil efficient on it...b3 would likely be better since the ship drops

[plush bone]

then extra Musashis shouldn't be a main priority I'd say

[sinful elk]

what is the " special debuff " mentioned here

[atomic abyss]

hover over the tooltip

[sinful elk]

dawg thats a thing never realized

[atomic abyss]

it's functionally an armour break, but not actually considered as one

[vale spindle]

its not functionally an armor break

armor break is defined as an increased FP damage taken debuff

[sinful elk]

[vale spindle]

this is an increased ALL damage taken debuff

[elfin hollow]

sorry one more question Im running out of dock space and when I can I will get more but until then I wanted to ask if there is anyone here worth lb? If not for now maybe for later

[vale spindle]

its just the game using terms weirdly

[sinful elk]

also does this apply to mogador

[plush bone]

limit breaking will make the ships use more oil, try to level them to 70 before using your first bullin.
it'll help you in the early game I'd say as oil is pretty sparse

[keen mural]

Best way to farm event points is D3 spam or should I do the daily bonus before D3 spam?

[plush bone]

daily bonus on every stage

[sharp socket]

sandy > sirius, hood if you need her

[vale spindle]

believe it says main fleet only

[sharp socket]

u96 and u37 also are worth for sub fleet but not high priority

[sinful elk]

oh sorry mb

[elfin hollow]

thank you!!

[sharp socket]

sandy retro is useful in all hard chapters of campaign and youll need 3 dupes/bulins to retro her so just keep that in mind

[plush bone]

how valuable is Ognevoy in chapters 14-15?

[atomic abyss]

14 she's decent cos she can asw somewhat
15 irrelevant cos no AA prowess

[plush bone]

ah, fair. Heard something about that but haven't looked into it much.
ty

[sharp socket]

ply faces will stop appearing at her dev30 right

[atomic abyss]

yes

until you complete pr5

[fiery swan]

Should I use all my rainbow bulins for Musashi

[atomic abyss]

depends on what other URs you have and how many stars they have

[fiery swan]

I have all URs that released or rerun since 2022 except for Unzen and Yorktown II and all of them are MLB except for Vanguard and Shimakaze

[stoic basalt]

been doing some extra stage boss and Soyuz is getting weirdly low damage, does the boss have any weird mechanics apart from the immunity at 60%?

[atomic abyss]

save for dec UR then

[plush bone]

maybe she's using a gun that's bad against the boss' armor type?

[swift holly]

use your bullins to limit break

[plush bone]

but oil

[elfin hollow]

are retrofit units good?

[whole crypt]

Depends on ship

[whole crypt]

what about oil

[elfin hollow]

is there some sort of tier list? Almost done with Laffey and plan on doing San Diego

[swift holly]

i would say, refit Unicorn

[plush bone]

for early game players I'd recommend waiting with limit breaking ships 'till the ship is lv70 so that you're not wasting oil as it's a sparse recourse at the start

[whole crypt]

Sandy's retrofit is expensive and low priority until late game, you done with Unicorn and Portland yet?

[eternal basalt]

/oilpsa

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804119377739776/949345167092105277/Untitled_presentation-page-001.jpg

[elfin hollow]

no I picked her at random cuz shes cute shes my first Im almost done though only two more

[plush bone]

fair point, sorry

[zenith heron]

should I stick with my 13+ Izumo Gun or the lvl 10 Soyuz Gun? for Opsi Bossing at least

[whole crypt]

you're not going to spend significantly more oil per ship at lower levels even with LB and it improves the ship by a lot, not to mention lowLB ships could be your point of failure

[elfin hollow]

thanks everyone Ill do Unicorn next!!

[swift holly]

ur welcome

[keen mural]

Gun in the event shop is good for new players or not worth spending plates?

[atomic abyss]

worth to buy, not worth to upgrade for new players

even for old players, its very niche

[barren tapir]

limit break them when you need to, which will usually be before lvl70 lol

[plush bone]

I have learned the definition of needlessly optimising

[bold stream]

Hello all again. I just got musashi and I also have LB1 Hutten. I can get 2 UR bullins this month. I am like 60/200 for musashi and has 60 cubes left. Do I chase for Musashi copies for MLB? I dont particulary care about the upcoming collab event..

[atomic abyss]

no

there will likely be a UR in december

save the UR bulins till you have 4

[frank pulsar]

copies are never worth unless you already have high pity

[little geyser]

What is this for?

[storm heron]

anything worth buying here?

everyone

[opaque gate]

musashi amagi cv shinano better than nagato amagi cv shinano for heavy boss fights?

[atomic abyss]

yes, much better

[vale spindle]

to display in ur dorm

[little geyser]

Ah I see

[opaque gate]

i see, zamn i thought 20% cv damage makes it better

[atomic abyss]

doesnt matter when her own damage is appalling

[storm heron]

even gold plates?

nvm ah yes, 2k gems for not even half gold plates needed for gold equip

[frank pulsar]

nagato only used for 4 strike ijn comps iirc, usually not great
sushi isnt great either tbh if boss isnt inherently slow
i always recommend stop support as third backliner for bossing

[tender lotus]

Who's this month arbiter?

[bold stream]

Okay. Thank you!

[soft dagger]

strength

[atomic abyss]

the hardest variant of strength

[tender lotus]

Wdym ender

[atomic abyss]

the buffs she gets

make her extremely annoying to kill

[west bobcat]

is this main fleet good for farming exp (11-1) for kearsarge or should i replace a unit with unicorn for survivability?

[soft dagger]

should be enough provided they are geared properly. am not reccomending farming with capped ship though

[west bobcat]

dont have a suitable replacement

very lacking on BB ships so das y kearsarge is a priority

[atomic abyss]

then you should get fdg

kearsage isnt a typical BB, she's a BBV

she cant kill suicide boats

[soft dagger]

will suggest farming in 12-1 as well

[atomic abyss]

and fdg can be coined

[west bobcat]

dont have it unlocked

[atomic abyss]

so you can max her in 50 days

[soft dagger]

that's alarming

[atomic abyss]

kearsage? good luck, 3-4 months minimum

[west bobcat]

got everything completed except exp

[atomic abyss]

you have 512 BP for her?

PR ships are useless if they're not MLB lol

[west bobcat]

not fully, but pretty close

converted a lot for kearsarge

only had monarch and roon so far so ive had a lot of stuff laying around

[atomic abyss]

i highly doubt you have 500 rainbow selector BP for series 6

[rain bobcat]

[west bobcat]

oh

[atomic abyss]

kearsage is rainbow yes

[west bobcat]

well well well..

[rain bobcat]

also kear isn't what you would want for a BB

[atomic abyss]

she cant kill suicide boats

[west bobcat]

yeah its ok, ill get kearsarge to use skin and oath and thats it, then friedrich

[atomic abyss]

so she's kinda hard to use in campaign

[rain bobcat]

just farm for fdg and use hood if you want

[west bobcat]

am i the only person that doesnt really like fdg...

[atomic abyss]

i dont like her too

but if you need a BB, there's not much better options
and the better options are extremely inaccessible by comparison

[rain bobcat]

the newest skin looks fine but I don't really like her

[atomic abyss]

and you need UR bulins

[spring bolt]

hood is 🚮
get musa from event and then get fdg

[west bobcat]

rn i have max new jersey and yesterday i got musashi

[rain bobcat]

we are not about to have another hood tirp argument

[atomic abyss]

then you wouldnt even need kears

[west bobcat]

ive got no idea how good musashi is

[rain bobcat]

if you need BB, use good BB don't matter if it's a UR or a good SR

[atomic abyss]

she's better than NJ

and actually behaves like a proper BB

[rain bobcat]

cream of the crop for hard carrying campaign

[atomic abyss]

Kears is a BBV, she doesnt do somethings a normal BB does

[west bobcat]

oo, ye i had no idea, ive been playing pretty casually although i had one friend that helped me with p much all ive done xd

[spring bolt]

musa will easily carry you in mob or boss fleet, so consider max her asap

[rain bobcat]

just be careful incase you forget about AA in w12 13 and 15

musashi soaks up all the dmg your backline takes

[opaque gate]

what is the best way to farm the event daily? should i always auto all hard modes for their x3?

[rain bobcat]

yeah sure

d1 d2 d3 sp then farm d3

[west bobcat]

i have retrofit san diego for AA later on

[rain bobcat]

no reason not to get the triple bonus

[tall forge]

is this good for sp?

[opaque gate]

or should i just always go d3?

[tall forge]

my laffey got half healthed in the first fight

[spark ridge]

how should I go about doing operation siren? Do i just do all the missions with the green clipboards, or the yellow treasure chests, or focus on clearing/exploring each location once?

[atomic abyss]

green clipboards first, then yellow
everything else with icons on top

[spark ridge]

so once everything with icon cleared, then do exploring if have nothing left to do?

[rain bobcat]

just... have eugen main tank

[barren tapir]

why 1 fleet it, where healer, ofc laffey dies she isnt a tank in tank slot

[tall forge]

is implac ok? shes not mlb but i heard she heals

[west bobcat]

i have to do 100 runs for 1.2 mil exp, is that a lot of runs or good amount

[rain bobcat]

the first 2 aren't even problems

[barren tapir]

i did sp with nagatom + uni + yuudachikai (110/125/99) and a boss fleet was easy af

[rain bobcat]

its just the main tank

[barren tapir]

i do kinda recommend using 2 fleets if ur not op bc the boss actually hits vg like a truck portland almost died

[rain bobcat]

implac definitely does not heal

[late flame]

i was lazy so i just slapped on whatever

[rain bobcat]

true lazy auto picks fleet and just speed blitzes it

[barren tapir]

it can be if they are weak, cant tell from the screenshot tho

[edgy lantern]

Wat armor is ex

[soft dagger]

heavy

[plain saffron]

apparently if your ram below 6GB you'll get warning for 3d dorm now

[tall forge]

soooooo

what ships?

[atomic abyss]

unicorn, perseus, aquila, volga, zuihou

[tall forge]

not built

[atomic abyss]

none of these 5?

[rain bobcat]

how the fuck

[plain saffron]

build them now, unicorn

[tall forge]

yep

[atomic abyss]

build unicorn asap

purchasable in guild shop

no you dont need to be in a guild

[tall forge]

ok

[nimble leaf]

Should I pull Musashi?

[atomic abyss]

UR so yes
use the free tickets first

[opaque gate]

can i still unlock auto in EX even if i did not kill all mobs?

[atomic abyss]

you mean SP? yes

[opaque gate]

oooh ok nc, so i can go directly to boss once it spawned

[supple tree]

Is there any reason to have more than 1 copy of Musashi? (1 is almost the maximum limit break)

[tropic tusk]

love

[spring bolt]

skin display

[twin isle]

I have already 3 of them and Idk what to do

[wind hazel]

limit break the main musashi, retire excess

[rain bobcat]

skin display, have 2 for OS if you really want to with mob and BB boss

otherwise you just yeet her to nothingness for some medal and special core

[atomic abyss]

you cant run dupes in OS

you can for campaign if 2 fleets

[rain bobcat]

I meant in the equipment way but yeah badly phrased

for campaign you don't need more than 1 really

alsace and soyuz exist

[twin isle]

I used them at limit break already

[reef flume]

Why even raising doubles, it's a waste of resources

[keen pewter]

is this a bb aa gun

[reef flume]

Prioritize vanguards ships

[novel solstice]

All BBs want their AA gun slot to have a STAAG if you have it, a Hazemeyer if you don't have enough STAAGs.

[tame pivot]

Do collab augments have to be crafted during collabs?..

[soft raft]

they can only be obtained during collabs, but they're craftable anytime afterwards nvm i mixed that up with Tempesta ones

[atomic abyss]

eh? really?

[late flame]

yep memory hazy ignore me

[tame pivot]

well dont you obtain them by crafting them?.. now im just confused

[cobalt rapids]

some are limited some can be crafted depends on collab

[eternal basalt]

If you don't get them, they are LOST.

[boreal wagon]

i dont think we had a single collab were they were craftable where the others can be crafted

[eternal moth]

During the Ryza Collab the augments required special materials to obtain, as an example

[eternal basalt]

They are drops, NOT craftable during collab

[boreal wagon]

they arent always drops, sometimes they are mission rewards

in the case of ryza they were even a "custom" crafting thing

[tame pivot]

ahhh okie dokes

[cobalt rapids]

i thought ryza were craftable but yea it was minigame

[whole crypt]

method of obtaining differs but no collab aug has been obtainable after the event

also with 6 augs usually they're scattered across milestone and minigame or other stuff

[boreal wagon]

well we know it isnt minigame this time because they leaked the minigame rewards

[atomic abyss]

i think gridman ones were also limited

[eternal basalt]

There can always be an extra day 7 reward

[boreal wagon]

unlikely, but i guess so

[eternal basalt]

Or a mission in another element that requires all 7 days of minigame

[whole crypt]

all collab augs are limited so yeh no shit

[atomic abyss]

this confused me

[boreal wagon]

we were debunking that statement

[whole crypt]

they were "craftable" but using the event's crafting system, I don't remember them being available after the event

none of them have ever used the normal augment crafting system

[late flame]

oh

[whole crypt]

for the record collabs also have those weird momentos and the aug could be in there somewhere too

[cobalt rapids]

how was akane shinjo's augment obtained ?

was it not crafted?

[soft dagger]

reporting a discrimination against bulin

[cobalt rapids]

ure prob the first to notice
ill add it with the collab

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Grid-juu_VS_Kai-juu

[boreal wagon]

i dont remember the exact method but it was definitely not in the normal screen
nvm im slow

[wet badge]

Do the spec cores from the black friday sale thing and the paid packs bypass the monthly limit

[boreal wagon]

they do

[desert trellis]

what should i do if i have too many purple bulins

[whole crypt]

LB ships
scrap excess

[wet badge]

Should i buy them now and redeem them later

[plain saffron]

use or retire

[spring bolt]

mini game reward on day 7

[eternal basalt]

Totally use the wiki, it never said Augmentation System till now

[soft raft]

considering that they dont count towards the monthly limit, there's really no diff when you redeem them (if you can even wait till later after black friay to redeem it)

[wet badge]

Doesnt it give it to u in mailbox first

[boreal wagon]

the ones in the shop itself no, the pack i dont think so(?)

[cobalt rapids]

which packs, the ones with $ go in mailbox

[wet badge]

Ye

[fluid umbra]

How bad is roon muse for boss tank, I feel like Helena META is tanking better

[boreal wagon]

some packs do some packs don't so i couldnt remember if these ones do

[soft raft]

on paper she's not too bad, but realistically she's not worth the 1.5k core data

just use Anchorage and the CBs instead

[cobalt rapids]

better than helena meta at least, if helmet tanks better it means she has better lvls and gear

[whole crypt]

I have a feeling this a level/gear issue

[fluid umbra]

Dang it I knew she was udnereperforming hard

[wet badge]

Is napoli a tank

[fluid umbra]

Full gold +10 evasion

[cobalt rapids]

tankiest tank

[whole crypt]

the other gear, and levels?

[fluid umbra]

Both at 120

[wet badge]

Wait so what does hindy do

[fluid umbra]

Helena Meta has blue evasion and repair kit

[whole crypt]

Hindenburg is a DPS CA

[soft raft]

Stonks DPS

[cobalt rapids]

dmgiest dmger

[soft raft]

and what auxes does Roon Muse have

[wet badge]

I need more dps should i go for hindy over napoli

[whole crypt]

the problem I have with Napoli is even if she's tankier than Agir you can't situationally use VH on her, or EDC compared to Laffey II/Anchorage

[cobalt rapids]

they are in different seasons
i recommend focusing 7 over 6

[fluid umbra]

HPSHG + Beaver

[atomic abyss]

well

i consider nap as a fusion dance of agir and ancho

[soft raft]

huh then she shouldnt be tanking worse than Helena META
What content are you even doing?

[atomic abyss]

she has the smokes and hull type of ancho, with the raw tankiness of agir

[fluid umbra]

Nagato META

[whole crypt]

did you actually put Helena in the tank slot

[fluid umbra]

Yeah

It's Helena META not helena, she's evaing real hard

Sometimes she dies first, sometimes she lives with 20% more hp

[cobalt rapids]

on average she should die earlier than room

[whole crypt]

I'm just lazy to type META, we know it's META from context

[cobalt rapids]

if they are both tanking

[whole crypt]

and it's probably just 🎲 , Helena META has no reason to be tankier at all

[fluid umbra]

I've only tested helena as main tank a few times yeah

[brisk dragon]

we kno wwhich collab characters gonna be in banner and which gonna be farmable?

[fluid umbra]

Just oddly feels tankier

[cobalt rapids]

kotegawa and momo are non gacha

[atomic abyss]

yui is milestone reward
momo is shop/map

[whole crypt]

#tlr-collab-livestream-discussion pins

[brisk dragon]

ty

[dreamy blade]

is tallin a good mob tank for campaign

[brisk dragon]

i didn't see the answer in pins there so i asked here

[whole crypt]

Tallinn is a decent tank campaign or otherwise but depends on what you're doing

[eternal moth]

For those of us that don't speak JP that doesn't tell me whihc ships are in gacha and which are rewards/shop

[cinder hornet]

I just luckily opened my first gold gear pieces, anywhere I can check if they are useful and to who should I equip them?

ps. I have no idea at all about gear yet, so if there is a beginner guide to understand gear, that would be useful too, I saw the samheart one but that's mostly to set priorities to gear, it doesn't really explain gear overall

[eternal moth]

Right one's OK, left is garbo

[whole crypt]

gun on the left is 🚮
gun on the right is okay for CAs

[eternal moth]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[eternal moth]

/guide

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[whole crypt]

it's hard to explain because it's all about numbers

[eternal moth]

Sam's Compendium has a number of guides to read to familiarize yourself, including a beginner tutorial

[eternal basalt]

Lala, nana, darness, sarenij to get from cubes

[whole crypt]

he said he did read sam's but it's not intuitive if you don't know what you're looking at

[cinder hornet]

sam's guide is a bunch of priority lists for gear

[elfin hollow]

what do the discount bags and super savers do? from the akashi black friday shop

[eternal moth]

It sounded like he read Sam's equipment guide, not necessarily the beginner one

[cinder hornet]

that doesn't help me understanding gear at all

[dreamy blade]

gear skins

[whole crypt]

newbie guide also doesn't explain why bad gear is bad or good gear is good

[plain saffron]

there's one for gear

[eternal moth]

Which of Sam's guides did you read? He has quite a few

[whole crypt]

it's just "dis good use dis"

[plain saffron]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment#cl_guns

[fluid umbra]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/
I follow recommended gear for each ship from this website instead is that fine?

[plain saffron]

oh wow i miss entire rerun

[eternal basalt]

How often can you write "crap damage"

[whole crypt]

but yeh the long and short of it is it's all just actual numbers on the gear

[eternal moth]

If you're reading the descriptions and making the right choice, yes. If you're just always taking the top option, no

[whole crypt]

it's hard to explain why a piece of gear is better or worse if you don't understand what the numbers do/mean

[fluid umbra]

I'm reading the descriptions but unless it states otherwise, I take top gear

[soft raft]

that only really works for campaign (And dont just go top to bottom), and it doesnt go into as much detail as Sam's dedicated guide

[dreamy blade]

even then it also mentions patterns which arent on there

[fluid umbra]

i.e if top gear says conditional or if ship description outlines why which gear is picked

[plain saffron]

any of the new packs good

[whole crypt]

last I heard BB guns are now arranged by least likely to fuck you up in campaign

[fluid umbra]

I'm not sure tbh the website is like 5 updates behind

[whole crypt]

doesn't matter guns don't change

the gearing meta hardly changes

[fluid umbra]

Yeah I just meant some chars are not there like AmagiCV

[whole crypt]

just copy "usual" CV loadouts

[fluid umbra]

So I'm not sure what to put on her rly

[opaque gate]

beehive ammo niche or straight up bullshit

[plain saffron]

@vale spindle is there no guide for the black friday shop 🏃‍♂️

ngl for CV those gear guide kinda useless bcs it depends on timing and enemy

[atomic abyss]

bullshit

[soft raft]

complete dogshit of a joke
It was literally made as a last resort weapon against airplanes out of desperation so you can prob already imagine how ineffective it is

[fluid umbra]

1F/2T or 1F/1B/1T or 2B/1T or 1B/2T?

[whole crypt]

even if they added newer ships to list the gearing won't be wildly different from existing ships
ECTL doesn't list gear by specific encounters anyway so you won't see any huge variances

if in doubt just go F/D/T

[fluid umbra]

Right that makes sense

[atomic abyss]

1 DB 2 TB for heavy
1 fighter 2 TB for med
light lol

[fluid umbra]

This is what I'm using

[eternal moth]

The only possible use is if you want your BB to do no damage for MVP manipulation, and even then they might just take it because of barrage

[whole crypt]

somethingsomething converging torps only for bosses when not moving or have stop

[eternal basalt]

Buy the whole ship on day 2

[soft raft]

and MvP control is a waste of time anyways

[fluid umbra]

So basically if I'm missing, converging bad

[whole crypt]

"standard" is 2x500lb/helldiver/barracuda, then work upwards

[eternal moth]

I agree

[whole crypt]

so fighters wap for 2x1000s, tenrai for DB, wyvern for TB if you have them

[nova halo]

are there anyone who can use musashi's gun?

[fluid umbra]

But is Wyvern best in slot regardless or is converging still better if they hit?

[eternal moth]

For campaign you'll almost always want barracuda/baguette/wyvern

[opaque gate]

what aux should i prioritize +13?

[whole crypt]

all BBs can use yamato gun it's just not really worth using most of the time

[fluid umbra]

Noted

[nova halo]

for which ship?

[atomic abyss]

/plus13

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[eternal moth]

If fighting metas or other single-target fights, converging is still better

[atomic abyss]

rainbow table from vanny event

[whole crypt]

catapults because cheaper and CV superiority

[eternal moth]

Assuming you have a slow/stop to make sure they hit, or if the boss has a window in which they stop

[opaque gate]

how do i get the rainbow thingy table aux rn?

[eternal moth]

You don't

[soft raft]

You cant
You'll have to wait until Vanguard event is added to perma

[opaque gate]

fck

[atomic abyss]

time travel back to july otherwise

[eternal moth]

Just use radars instead

[soft raft]

yeah we lived with HSFCR just fine years before AFCT even was a thing

the skill is the same, only diff is the stats

[whole crypt]

but the real answer is if you don't know what to enhance yet just don't enhance anything, gold plates don't grow on trees and once you start working on rainbow gear it just vaproizes

AFCT also has reduce spread doesn't it

[fluid umbra]

Meh, I don't think Helena META can stop reliably enough, if anything I think she's messing up timings if that's a thing

[whole crypt]

Helena META stop was never reliable

[eternal moth]

That's why you use Implacable/AvP/Ark

Or Eldridge I guess

[fluid umbra]

Elridge to replace Helena META?

[cinder hornet]

does this mean that for DD is you don't have the right gold gear, the blue is better than any purple you may have?

[fluid umbra]

For the MG? yeah

For barrage procs only

[dreamy blade]

ignore the 1st column

[soft raft]

Not really
Green = Niche

[whole crypt]

did you even read the row that says what the guns are for

[eternal moth]

The blue is best if your ship has really good barrage but dogshit gun damage, like some of the IJN ships (Shima, Kaza, etc)

[plain saffron]

foe this yes

3 diff answer

[cinder hornet]

there are nicer ways to help people

[viscid swift]

It's an honest question though

[opaque gate]

how about kitakaze, is she any good?

[eternal moth]

There are better options now, like Kawakaze

[viscid swift]

Usually common courtesy to read something and try and understand it first before answering because Usually it's right there

[soft raft]

(specifically Kawakaze w/ unique aug)

[cinder hornet]

let's throw 17 different guides to a newbie and hope they understand each and everything they read and bully them if they don't, seems like a honest thing to do yeah

[whole crypt]

it's an honest question because a lot of this will require reading more than looking at pictures

[cinder hornet]

I'm reading all that's there, including description and so on

but there is just too much to read you know?

[whole crypt]

specifically the column headers

[plain saffron]

something something read more

[atomic abyss]

[opaque gate]

ngl im with saeara, i mean i dont even know who the barragers are a while ago. i dont even know if "damage gun" is better than barrage only gun and which gives better damagr

[blissful hamlet]

gph moment of all time

[digital vault]

how did I get Belorussiya 4times in event banner

[eternal basalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528197562998718474/1237064322727936010/ENMoment.png?ex=6738122e&is=6736c0ae&hm=bad9fc90ec007c830e6dfefab7d25ee93808f1e2999b6b056061b19d77a76d16&

[hollow gust]

RNG

[eternal moth]

She's in the permapool

[cinder hornet]

there is too much info at the beginning, I feel overwhelmed, so I'm sorry if there are some details that I just didn't see

[whole crypt]

now that is an entirely different question though which I'm also willing to answer

but yeh game has a lot of info once you start getting into it

[shell willow]

dont feel bad, its a lot of info at start and people are being passive aggressive for no reason

[eternal moth]

Any ship with 100% or greater efficiency on their main gun is worth giving a better gun than the blues

[velvet slate]

if u want to get the hang of the game and understand a lot of ins and outs check out jimmy's youtube chanel (search Jimmy Azur lane) and u will find it. He has a bunch of guides and is good explaining stuff. Better than take shots in the dark

[eternal moth]

Sorry, but Jimmy's an idiot

[left cedar]

no new gears ?
bad event
and i'm coping hard for new Tractor comming

[viscid swift]

yeah Jimmy is not good for a newbie

[opaque gate]

and as someone who keeps asking lol, there is a lot of info, and people here tend to think everyone has these UR ships or ships in the meta alr. Most assume you are strong enough (at least lvl 100+ i guess). But anyway, there is indeed A LOT of info in AL.

[hollow gust]

If they don't understand basic gearing then Jimmy is far too advance for a newbie

[blissful hamlet]

unironically recommending youtuber lmao

[whole crypt]

even jimmy has his moments, you need to know what you're watching from him and it's not newbie info

[viscid swift]

especially given how much trolling he does

[soft raft]

Ehhhhh
I dont really trust AL Youtubers to have good info

It's either misinformation, disinformation, straight up bullshit, a combo of the two, or all three