gameplay-help

[weary gust]

Most frontline units do ~50k damage or so over the course of a boss fight (1:20). Ply does like 150-200k, Hinden/Unzen 200-250k, DDGs about that amount too. So we really are talking about 4-5x the damage of "most" units.

[viscid swift]

PR and 1 from the prototyoe shop are your only options

[unique lantern]

it isnt, but its also in suppy shop and research 5

[atomic abyss]

The whole point of a baseline is that it's something people can understand and relate to

[sharp socket]

well i see where goose comes from
at the very high end
but a ranking for lower to mid dpses are very good for everyone not doing very high end stuff

[atomic abyss]

That's why we use Portland Kai for ehp

[slow fox]

eHP mentioned

[atomic abyss]

Because (most) players would have used her at some point of time

[storm heron]

[forest palm]

if a vanguard can do 100k+ then that in itself is good damage

[rare wyvern]

Yeah, bought some making me 37/50, let's hope with the PR5 focus

[slow fox]

I think the baseline should be decided by me, and me only. Portland.

[atomic abyss]

Gph isn't for "the minmaxing elites and meta slaves" only you know

[unique lantern]

retrofit starters with their augments seem to be a pretty decent "baseline" then, you can clear worlds up to 13 maybe 14 with ships like those

[weary gust]

I think it'd be better to just classify them by absolute damage. Though that doesn't account for burn/flood damage.

[storm heron]

I think using starter dd as a baseline might be good?

[analog bluff]

guys how i get 100%

[viscid swift]

a baseline in this case is a bit meaningless anyway

[atomic abyss]

Clear the map again

[hollow gust]

Plymouth is the gap between absolute monsters like unzen vs just decent damage ships

[viscid swift]

clear the stage one more time
100% requires a fixed number of clears for each map

[weary gust]

Sandy does like ~100k damage. Which is still far above the "Average"

[analog bluff]

okok

[atomic abyss]

And I've said time and time again

DDG DPS is heavily dependent on fleet tech

Lack of which means those that are skill or aoa reliant will be much more competitive

[unique lantern]

whats a ddg (please dont throw tomatoes at me, i just dont know the terminology )

[viscid swift]

guided missile destroyer

[atomic abyss]

Namely An Shan, Chang Chun, and Tai Yuan retrofits

[viscid swift]

aka An Shan, Chang Chun, Tai Yuan and Fu Shun retro

[weary gust]

Sandy, Yuudachi, Kitakaze, Drake, San Fran, Harbin, etc are all examples of high dps that are still a fair amount/far below Plymouth in dps

[viscid swift]

fuck

[atomic abyss]

Fu Shun doesn't have a retro

[forest palm]

let'em cope

[unique lantern]

are those that good with fleet tech? better work on the tech

[hollow gust]

Sandy and Tash has like 85-90% of Plymouth damage , they are like the upper end of very good damage

Plymouth is the between then unzen who has like 120%+ of Plymouth dps

[atomic abyss]

Fu Shun was always the worst of the 4* I wouldn't get my hopes up even then

[viscid swift]

they are DD FP so yes

[weary gust]

DDGs are some of the highest dps ships vs light armor enemies.

[hollow gust]

Cause shit like this is not close, and that's the closest I got

[unique lantern]

eh im under the impression sandy damage stat is highly inflated by aa

[storm heron]

is sandy dependent on enemy speed?

[forest palm]

this comes off as very elitist, and whataboutisms

[atomic abyss]

...did Scorpio have planes even

[undone plover]

her augment gives her good surface dmg

[storm heron]

cause I find her stars missing, idk if it's missing or piercing

[dense cairn]

Hey, so rn i have random gear equipped on my characters. I saw online there was a tier list of gear for each character but i cant seem to figure out where/how to get them. Is there a website or smth that shows where to get them for units like Portland, Unicorn, Laffey, etc

[hollow gust]

. She is a crossroad

[atomic abyss]

Goose, your logic is that only the top 6 DPS ships are worth caring about

[past jackal]

Every end of the year is collab event right. So I shud just save up cube for end of the year event instead of pulling for this event ?
Will they do another rerun again later for musashi ?

[weary gust]

Collabs are not regular.

[atomic abyss]

Collab is next week, Musashi won't rerun anymore, straight to perma after about a year

[viscid swift]

I would call about 90% close

[storm heron]

it should be https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/
look at the equipment

[hollow gust]

For pure raw dps yes , it doesn't mean Sandy or Tash won't be used , they have other roles

[atomic abyss]

I find it silly to ignore their still high DPS lol

[hollow gust]

I'm not saying they have bad dps

It's just they are not carrying the fleet with that damage

[forest palm]

that's how it readsd

[undone plover]

if this is ECTL then u can click the gear and it shows u
if not u can post a screenshot here and we can tell u
there is also sam's guide for equipment https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[atomic abyss]

That's what you were implying when you said Plymouth is the baseline for Frontline DPS

[past jackal]

Perma is war achives?

[sharp socket]

what if i just want more dps for a slot that either doesnt need support or i lack the bis options for support

[weary gust]

There's a fundamental flaw to the way you're looking at it, Goose. Vanguard units don't NEED as high of a dps as backline ships to fulfill their role of sweeping up trash mobs/killing suicide boats.

[dense cairn]

Ohh, thank you. I saw the one that you searched for your character and it then showed the best equips but not how to get them. This is great!

[slow fox]

I'm inclined to say that - when things are below baseline - that people usually call them bad.

[unique lantern]

there

[slow fox]

Below 100% eHP is bad, for example teehee

[atomic abyss]

She won't be available in war archives (event will be tho)
She will be added to the permanent builds and the permanent UR pity

[hollow gust]

Plymouth a baseline for dps carry, ships that can output as much damage as backline or close.

[atomic abyss]

That's comparing apples and oranges now

[hollow gust]

Otherwise you put vanguards that buff the backline , simple as that

[weary gust]

At the very least you should separate out vanguard DPS being used vs bosses compared to vanguard DPS for mobbing.

Sandy's dps is more than enough for mobbing. Not quite high enough to be considered important against a boss.

[atomic abyss]

Sandy DPS is a huge part of why she's relevant outside her AA

Otherwise we would have just used Isuzu Kai before sandy got her augment

[past jackal]

Ohhhh, ur pity i saw always the same 4 ship. Means there are time that I can get it.

[hollow gust]

thats a terrible take

[atomic abyss]

Cos she has better AA lol

[sharp socket]

sandy did work in my wichita meta runs contributing about 75% of one backline ship

[atomic abyss]

I mean, I'm not the one who said Plymouth is the baseline for DPS carries

[elfin hollow]

this why i hate meta slaves bro

[hollow gust]

Sandy has good asw, good damage , barrage with good ape , and relatively sturdy

Isuzu is just as , a glass cannon and absolute dogshit in everything else . That is not fucking comparable

[storm heron]

wait sandy is a carrier? EN moment, I see Sandy carrier like launch planes

[viscid swift]

she's an AA carry

[atomic abyss]

Says the person whose favourites are mostly the aforementioned meta ships...

[elfin hollow]

CAUGHT

[viscid swift]

there's a difference betwene being a meta slave and being competent at the game

[elfin hollow]

i dont know who's meta

[atomic abyss]

You kept almost everything rainbow

[eager mulch]

META ships have META in their name

[hollow gust]

If Sandy has much poorer dps , she stays where she is in the meta. Also it's false that Isuzu has better aa

[slow fox]

The context for that statement was before augment, by the way.

[atomic abyss]

^

Isuzu Kai absolutely had higher AA damage till Sandy got her aug
It's just that she was dog shit in every other regard

[hollow gust]

She stays where she is? She would still be used in w15 cause of her aa? Still would be used in w14 cause of her decent asw

[atomic abyss]

You're missing the point

[hollow gust]

She is still sturdy enough for w14, what point are you making ?

[viscid swift]

Anyway mebot is this enough rudders

[hollow gust]

Her augment made her better at her role , not change her role

[storm heron]

wasn't sandy w14 pre-aug kinda bad?

[atomic abyss]

The point that Sandy dps is one of the factors she's relevant outside her AA?

[hollow gust]

That's false

[viscid swift]

no, just very cost ineffective

[atomic abyss]

Well she does have the best ASW for non DDs but
Just use a DD...?

[sharp socket]

when was sandy aug released? i might have used her pre aug for w14

[storm heron]

cause like targeted main gun damage

[atomic abyss]

Sandy Aug came out like, a few months ago at best

[weary gust]

If a few months is like a year

[atomic abyss]

I'd say June

I came back to AL in March this year

Her aug hasn't been around since March, so definitely not a year

[sharp socket]

then i probably did use her pre aug for w14

[rare wyvern]

Where do you even get all the mfing T3 Aux parts

[hollow gust]

If Sandy didn't get her dps buff and only gets her durability and aa buff , nothing changes. She would still be used where she is , her advantage is how versatile she is

[viscid swift]

June 13th

[slow fox]

Litmus test is if you have more than half of Mebotrudders. You have 49. Mebot has 80. WAO.

[atomic abyss]

Really by farming

[sharp socket]

well nevermind i did not do w14 in june

[storm heron]

I even swapped off sandy for some torpedo and AoA based ships since it's just so hard using her

[rare wyvern]

I'm just out of this and main guns for the plethora I need, but yeah that's fair

[atomic abyss]

Sandy is only noticeably strong against light after all

[viscid swift]

I've played this consistently for almost 4 years, that's how

[sharp socket]

i still used sandy with aug for w14 cause i had literally no other options

[atomic abyss]

And w14 main threats are the BBs and subs

[hollow gust]

, idk why you keep coping her dps

[viscid swift]

we're not coping anything

we're saying it's now quite good, not Plymouth levels but well above average and worth making note of

[slow fox]

I think Ender goes further as to say - using Plymouth as a baseline for whatever "damage carry" means is elitist and gatekeeping?

[forest palm]

I'd say that's about right

[atomic abyss]

Yep

[viscid swift]

like, literally no one here that's competent still thinks her damage is the same as Plymouth's

[slow fox]

I think she does more damage.

[atomic abyss]

If sandy actually met ply DPS i'd actually do a spit take

[storm heron]

yeah using plymouth as baseline is too capitalist

[unique lantern]

is there someone i can test dps without aa getting in the way?

[weary gust]

Only way sandy beats ply in DPS is in plane hell

[viscid swift]

one of the older METAs wouldn't be a bad choice

[atomic abyss]

Well... Actually she might be able to go closer if they fixed her bug

[hollow gust]

ender ur literally the one who said her dps was close to plymouth

[tribal belfry]

trying to ull musashi guys got this one is she good ?

[weary gust]

80-90% is "Close" imo.

[viscid swift]

close to, is not the same as is

[slow fox]

I'd also call 90% pretty close.

[atomic abyss]

When I say meet, I mean equal

[storm heron]

medium priority tech only, so you will bench her

[viscid swift]

not really

[atomic abyss]

I'd bench her

[unique lantern]

waifus are always good

[tribal belfry]

is there any event i cna do now for beginner to get alot of pulls for musashi

[hollow gust]

plymouth can reach up to 80-90% of Hinden and that doesnt mean they are close

[storm heron]

I can make the same argument like amagi cv, waifus are just subjective

[undone plover]

were they both +13 gun and oath/non oath btw in that test?

[viscid swift]

not really truth be told, just farm the event a bit while also pushing the main campaign

[storm heron]

megpt what do you mean

[hollow gust]

hell i agree that me oathing ply can skew things otherwise but this is a full defensive plymouth vs offensive' sandy

thats not close

[unique lantern]

dont you dare insult my ägir, moga, ply frontline, my waifu vanguard is not subjective

[viscid swift]

did you not think mentioning that might be a bit crucial to how we interpret the results

[atomic abyss]

I would call 80-90% close by the average person's definition anyways...

[undone plover]

might be better to have more tests then
and trying to equal the parameters a bit

until then we can put this argument to rest
no one who has plymouth will use sandy for bossing anyway

[slow fox]

It's okay guys. I can fix this.

Mebot-brand DPS sheet coming out Jan1 2025(??).

[atomic abyss]

This just feels like an elitist argument in bad faith at this point

[weary gust]

Will it have 50 categories for every ship with different weapons vs different armors?

[viscid swift]

I don't even know what the point of this argument is

[atomic abyss]

My original point was that Tash DPS was not negligible when used with nakhi

[storm heron]

just make a calculator with user inputs

[slow fox]

-# 👉 👈

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't disagree with that

[atomic abyss]

When my own test showed that for a player lacking fleet tech, Tash comes close to the DDGs (85%-90%)

[viscid swift]

who is tash roughly comparable to

because mine is still level 70

[atomic abyss]

It really depends on your fleet tech imo

The DDGs don't rely on their skills or aoa to do damage, just their raw gunnery and missiles
So it's heavily reliant on the stat buffs from tech

[viscid swift]

we know Tai Yuan can match Hindenburg against light armor with Mogador gun

[atomic abyss]

Tashkent DPS is heavily reliant on her fairy

Which ofc isn't influenced by tech nearly as much

[unique lantern]

didnt tash get a new augment for her fairy or something?

[hollow gust]

And it is negligible , her role has and will be for slows. If you are old enough to have Nahkimov , you don't really care if you use Tash or Voroshilov . Why did you think I pick the waifu over a loli

[atomic abyss]

She did yes

[viscid swift]

maybe I'll bump her up in the queue

[storm heron]

can taiyuan gold dd gun match hindenburg ches gun?

[viscid swift]

I have no idea

[atomic abyss]

Cheshire gun

I... Wouldn't be surprised honestly
But I genuinely do not know

[storm heron]

cause that's all I have since I have no hindengun yet

[forest palm]

Proto 203 SKC, and Twiple I assume

[atomic abyss]

Chesh gun is the normal ammo gun

[hollow gust]

if tash dps was actually that noticable i would use her

[storm heron]

[sweet delta]

According to goose, bisz damage is negligible because her role is black hole. Because if you don't need black hole then you don't bring Bisz for medium-heavy.

[forest palm]

it is

[hollow gust]

[forest palm]

Goose turn the stove off the kitchen is burning

[storm heron]

ah I see I thought bz was good wait nvm why does the sentence sounds sarcastic

[slow fox]

Let him cook

[atomic abyss]

Don't sigh when that is the very argument you're making, just with different ships lol

[viscid swift]

it's already burnt down if anything

[sweet delta]

If the boss doesn't move at all then Bisz may do like 90% of other top BBs contributions

[atomic abyss]

[hollow gust]

lemme pull my 125 tash out

[atomic abyss]

Ok now that I'd be interested to see (Bis Z)

[hollow gust]

all im saying is that ur overrating her dps

[sweet delta]

All I'm saying is that ur underrating the DPS of anyone who does less than 90% of ply dps

[atomic abyss]

^

And again

[slow fox]

rare SuchiPerson not being wrong

[atomic abyss]

Your test would just exemplify my point

[sweet delta]

Wdym that's always, not rare

[atomic abyss]

You have loads of fleet tech

So the gap would be even larger

[spring bolt]

suchiperson is purple, so elite not rare

[sweet delta]

How does fleet tech change the ratio though, doesn't fairy scale on FP?

[weary gust]

Fleet tech between ships of the same type should scale proportionally I would think ... I don't think it would change what % of damage each ship does.

[viscid swift]

yeah my thoughts as well

[atomic abyss]

It would because of where a ship's DPS comes from

Different buffs have different amount of impacts on different parts of the damage

[hollow gust]

literally didnt say her dps isnt good

[sweet delta]

I think neither Tasha or ply is a torp ship

[weary gust]

Though one is a DD and the other a CL

[atomic abyss]

Tash fairy does scale on her FP yes

But it also scales on the skill level

[sharp socket]

whats fairy

[hollow gust]

she summons a fairy to do damage

[weary gust]

and DD FP tech is a proportionally bigger change than CL FP tech.

[sharp socket]

ah the snezhnaya skill

[atomic abyss]

I'm fairly sure that the way skill damage for the fairy is calculated isn't the same way that her guns are calculated

As in, the buffs don't affect the damage the same way to the same degree

Not to mention

The DDGs have mgm+1

So they're even more gun reliant

[sharp socket]

ddg is gun damage?

[hollow gust]

ddgs have guided missles>

[atomic abyss]

Gun and missile yes

Tash is skill reliant

[viscid swift]

it's 40/40/20 split last I heard between guns, missiles, and barrages

[sharp socket]

i thought the bulk of their dps is missile that i dont see

[fluid umbra]

Is it worth keeping helena in here for bossing?

[viscid swift]

yes

[atomic abyss]

Mgm+1 on CL tier FP with DD guns isn't anything to sneeze at

[fluid umbra]

Even if CVs are having issues with syncing and BC is shooting too fast?

Or maybe I should SG helena?

[weary gust]

It doesn't matter.

Ship 1: 1x50 x1.25 = 62.5
Ship 2: 2x50 x 1.25 = 125

50/100 = 0.5
62.5/125 = 0.5

Proportions stay the same.

[viscid swift]

the solution would be to make your main fleet sync to her radar scan better and not to remove her

[stark quiver]

Yo, so since there are reruns for events with good ur gear, if I miss initial events and only get gear on rerun, am I fine with following old comps

[viscid swift]

uh what

[fluid umbra]

I'm planning on replacing hood with musashi but musashi would not sync with her

[hollow gust]

i fail to see how fleet tech is gonna effect tash and ddg diff

[viscid swift]

Musashi with a proper set up should sync fine with Helena

[fluid umbra]

Do you have a link to the setup? Not sure where to find it

[atomic abyss]

Isn't it just use izumo gun

[storm heron]

average thursday night in gph

[stark quiver]

and also, how long should I stay in pr7, until 4 la9?

[hollow gust]

10

[fluid umbra]

This?

[viscid swift]

that if you use SG radar

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[sweet delta]

That if you haven't started pr7 yes

[viscid swift]

that if you don't

[storm heron]

don't what, helena still sg

[sweet delta]

But Helena is using sg

[fluid umbra]

Yeah I'm not using SG. This looks good

[viscid swift]

I was lazy and didn't remove it

[fluid umbra]

tysm

[stark quiver]

If I’m not cubing pr7 what would normal progress be rn

[fluid umbra]

What's cubing pr?

[sweet delta]

Depends on focus

[spring topaz]

do people generally do 1 run of each stage to farm the bonus currency? and then farm D3 after if needed?

[stark quiver]

I only finished daisen and halford

[storm heron]

you should be about to finish one of the dr, and still half on the other one

[viscid swift]

I would expect all ships done if you went ship focus or all PRs and 1 DR done with the other on the home stretch

[wind hazel]

if they aren't lazy yes

[fluid umbra]

SP (once daily) > D3 > D1 > D2 > C2 > B3 > Highest stage doable.
Samheart's wiki says this

[weary gust]

It could close the gap a little bit, if we consider torp damage a constant but increase the FP contribution.

Made up example
DDG: 100000 torp + 100000 gun at 0 tech = 200,000 total
DDG: 100000 torp + 140000 gun at max fp tech = 240,000 total

Tashkent: 30000 torp + 60000 gun at 0 tech = 90,000 total
Tashkent: 30000 torp + 84000 gun at max fp tech = 114000 total

90/200 = 0.45
114/240 = 0.475

I still don't think that fleet tech would significantly change the proportions of damage one ship does to another, as long as they receive the same fleet tech bonuses.

[graceful kelp]

guys any event ships is worth getting?

[atomic abyss]

musashi

best BB for mobbing in the game

[stark quiver]

#gameplay-help message
I followed this

[fluid umbra]

Wait musashi is for mobbing?
I thought she was for bossing

Wait should I not use her for bossing then

[atomic abyss]

she is no longer the best at bossing

that doesnt mean she's bad at it

[sweet delta]

She is best for both mobbing and bossing in campaign

[storm heron]

how about wakatuki, is she good?

[viscid swift]

she's DD FP tech

[sweet delta]

Mid nowadays

[atomic abyss]

well if you have 2 mlb Musashis

yes you would use 2 of her in campaign

[warm flax]

What's the vanguard again for uni-aquila-sashi in w15?

[fluid umbra]

Dang it I didn't get her when she was the hot stuff and now when I get her she's mid

[atomic abyss]

she's not

[viscid swift]

she's not mid

[graceful kelp]

so the even ur is good only?

[viscid swift]

she's still really good, just not dominant like when she came out

[storm heron]

honestly the only reason you won't use two musashi in campaign is just because outside of campaign the other one can't be used, like literally, and even if you can, other UR BBs will eventually replace her

[hollow gust]

not being use in a general opsi doesnt mean shes mid....

[viscid swift]

and back then NJ was still meta

[sweet delta]

When better damage gun like mog gun gets released, every barrage/torp focused DD goes down relative to gun focused DDs

[atomic abyss]

now there are other UR BBs that fulfil certain other roles better

[fluid umbra]

Can I use her in opsi for a triple bb boss fleet?

[stark quiver]

If following this for researching no cube, should
I have at least finished a dr?

[hollow gust]

she is literally the highest damage bb in everything but Light, only reason she isnt used in heavy/medium as much is cause the other UR bbs are more reliable

[fluid umbra]

kk tysm

[atomic abyss]

she's still one of the best choices
even if not the first ones you'd slot in anymore

[viscid swift]

I would expect all ships done if you went ship focus or all PRs and 1 DR done with the other on the home stretch

[sweet delta]

Musashi is still the best in opsi at least one in three months, and she's quite close in another one of three months

[lavish token]

So between Musashi and Alsace, who would be better for a Mob and a Boss fleet for story?

[spring bolt]

let me try that in CN calc, 1 moment

[sweet delta]

Depends on other ships and the chapter

[fluid umbra]

Which UR do I get for the pity, I have none of them

[atomic abyss]

shinano

[lavish token]

Got it, thanks.

[storm heron]

I took 50% cube and 50% no cube, and finished everything except napoli

[stark quiver]

I went ship focus only , but took a few weeks off pr7, finished halford and daisen, everyone else is d24

[hollow gust]

musashi is best campaign ship, w14/w15 wants a stronger mob fleet so musashi is used in mob, the other chapters care about a stronger boss fleet so they use musashi boss

[fluid umbra]

Kk would she replace enty here?

[viscid swift]

even factoring that in that's still quite behind

I'd expect the PRs to be about done at this point

[atomic abyss]

if this is for nagato meta specfically

[storm heron]

yes when she is mlb

[graceful kelp]

wait im confused, so most of them are for collections only?

[atomic abyss]

you'd replce hood instead
when shinano is mlb

[fluid umbra]

Hood is gonna be replaced with musashi

[weary gust]

90% of ships in this game are collection only tier.

[stark quiver]

Bad rng I guess?

[hollow gust]

hasnt it been 4 months? thats way beyond bad rng

[viscid swift]

maybe, I would say that's a bit too much to be behind

[sweet delta]

You can't really blame bad rng for ship blueprints

[viscid swift]

unless by a few weeks you actually mean a month or 2

[graceful kelp]

even the UR?

[storm heron]

ikr, they all have like rng manipulator or something

[strong tartan]

definitely not

[atomic abyss]

4 months of coin researches alone shd be more than enough to get you to dev 30 most of the golds

[sweet delta]

The frequency of receiving ship bps is so high that being so far behind is astronomically unlikely

[stark quiver]

For example this is how it usually looks in queue

[sharp socket]

do i go for nakhi after completing ply/brest and 2nd plygun or do shimanto fs5 first

[viscid swift]

how long did you actually take you to start PR7 after it dropped

[fluid umbra]

Wait wait so should I be running AmagiCV + Enty + Shinano or AmagiCV + Musashi + Shinano? (Bossing fleet)

[viscid swift]

because a few weeks is sounding really sus right now

[atomic abyss]

again, it depends on the boss

[obsidian ivy]

Is it still worth to +13 daisen gun if I already have +13 izumo? They're functionally the same right?

[stark quiver]

Let’s see, I took pr7 a week after it dropped, then after a week or two, I went to pr6 to finished a 40/50 pr6 gun, then went back to pr7

[atomic abyss]

daisen is better

[fluid umbra]

Err, what's the determining factor whether i use either?

[obsidian ivy]

Oh dear me gunplates

[viscid swift]

how long did it take you it finish the Hindenburg gun

[fluid umbra]

Like when should I use 3CV and when should I use 1BB2CV?

[hollow gust]

just stick with izumo

[weary gust]

Light armor is musashi's weakness.

[viscid swift]

it depends

[sweet delta]

You don't need to, daisen is a bit better but theyre not used enough to matter much

[stark quiver]

Lemme pull up some stuff I’ll try to get get the time

[atomic abyss]

in your case, just stick with izumo since +13 already

if you didnt however well yeah

[viscid swift]

on the ships, on the boss, on your gear, on any gimmicks the boss may have, etc

[obsidian ivy]

Ok

[fluid umbra]

Right, that's a lot to take in. Noted

[stark quiver]

Oh shit I spent 2 months in pr6

[viscid swift]

yeah that explains it

[hollow gust]

then yeah thats fine then

which means u skipped 6-8 weeks, not a few weeks

[atomic abyss]

i personally started pr7 a month late

but i cubed, and am only just about to wrap napoli

[atomic abyss]

if you missed 6-8 weeks then yeah, explainable

[viscid swift]

so that means you're only about 2 months in practically speaking

[weary gust]

For reference, I just got my last pr7 ship to dev30 2 weeks ago or so, did not heavily cube.

[stark quiver]

I forgot it wasn’t just to finish the gun, it was trying to finish kear and hinden

[hollow gust]

there is a reason i didnt give a fuck wether i ran voro or tashkent

[wind hazel]

ye you don't love your loli, so bad

[shrewd burrow]

Is NJ summer skin available to buy now?

[hollow gust]

tashkent is cute but voro is a bombshell tho

[sweet delta]

Guess whose DPS goes to shit 100s after the battle starts

[slow fox]

Purple Heart

[viscid swift]

mine

[sweet delta]

And CM is 600s

[weary gust]

I'd say Percy but hers goes to shit 5 seconds after the battle starts.

[hollow gust]

fairy despawns after 100?

[viscid swift]

yes

[shrewd burrow]

Can someone please tell me?

[eternal moth]

Collab livestream in about 6 hours right?

[strong tartan]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

50s without aug, 100s with aug

[atomic abyss]

yes it is

[viscid swift]

check the shop and in game patch notes

[shrewd burrow]

Thanks

[eternal moth]

Do you have NJ? If so go into her skins and check

[storm heron]

is there a benefit to clearing the non-required enemy nodes on stronghold?

[hollow gust]

whelp dont have light harby rn, also it wasnt that far off against it when i ran her last month

wait helena works

[weary gust]

Unless you're desperate for exp and have all the time in the world, no.

[viscid swift]

closer to 8 but yes

[storm heron]

alright then Imma just move on

[eternal moth]

I meant 8, not sure why I put 6.

[wind hazel]

you guys don't auto stronghold?

[viscid swift]

there is one benefit actually, you can auto strongholds if you don't mind the extra fights

[weary gust]

I interpreted "non required enemy nodes" to mean those the auto-search did not target.

[viscid swift]

I'm pretty such things don't exist in strongholds

[wind hazel]

but autosearch clear everything in stronghold doesn't it?

[sweet delta]

It doesn't clear fog

[wind hazel]

aside from fog

[eternal moth]

It clears fog but can't get out of it

Or at least mine does

[storm heron]

Nah my deer friend asked me about it

the fleet's not strong enough to clear stronghold so like 1 by 1 fight

[hollow gust]

Yeaaah shes within 80% of Plymouth now , cause it was really far off

[storm heron]

you mean ply is 125% of her?

[spring bolt]

the calc indicates around 150 days to dev 30 all ships with your priority, so i guess you are fine since you stopped pr7 for a few days

[sweet delta]

reacting to your own message

[storm heron]

[wind hazel]

caught red handed

[strong tartan]

caught essex handed

[undone plover]

can u share this magic calc

[storm heron]

I mean hey at least someone actually bother to check who gave my puny joke a reaction

[astral turret]

When I'm setting up a fleet, how do I know if everything is timed properly? Or is a calculator required to set it up properly

[spring bolt]

it's cursed tho... full chinese sheet and extremely hard to use as you can't directly change priority
https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/文件:5期科研表.xlsx

[undone plover]

I see
well I will give it a shot

[sharp socket]

https://azurlane.mrlar.dev/calculator/

[spring bolt]

and yes it's made with pr5 data cuz things didn't change much since then

[astral turret]

Thank you!

[eager mulch]

did renhex fleet builder get powercrept?

[wind hazel]

renhex x lars coming soon

[storm heron]

mr neko

[hollow gust]

yeah cause u can alctually calc correct syncs with the new one

[eager mulch]

I use ectl’s fleetbuilder

[vagrant harness]

which ur events have ur gear? NJ, Unzen, Musashi, are there any other notable ones?

[eager mulch]

Guam

[hollow gust]

vanny

[eager mulch]

Alsace

[weary gust]

Shimas has torps.

[hollow gust]

damn we have gotten alot of UR gear lol

[vagrant harness]

how many months before realistically getting enough mats for ur gear in opsi?

[hollow gust]

2

[eager mulch]

1-3

[hollow gust]

1 is a stretch but its def doable afterwards

[atomic abyss]

yep

[stark quiver]

i clicked on a link and it downloaded something on my pc 💀

[atomic abyss]

they are working together

[vagrant harness]

what UR gear from gearlab is highestprio right now?

[eager mulch]

installed amagi-chan brainrot

[stark quiver]

wyverns if not already

[stone sluice]

What’s the Auto-search battery saver?
I mean what’s the difference regarding the performance when it is on?

[weary gust]

screen dims

[sweet delta]

It automatically brightens my screen

Which is kinda the opposite of saving battery

[weary gust]

It dims my screen and lowers fps on my phone. Idk if it works on emulator properly.

[vagrant harness]

getting 2 then i can move on to other gear?

[stone sluice]

There’s a way my subs can be summoned automatically so I don’t have to tap on the subs button?

[weary gust]

Yes, autocall subs. You can set when it activates at what ap cost.

[sweet delta]

It only works with auto search and not strategic search

[stone sluice]

Not out of opsi?

[vagrant harness]

what are the significance of cats in terms of overall fleet dmg? is it rlly worth to invest to at least get good cats?

[sweet delta]

Out of opsi it's in roles tab

[stark quiver]

they can help a lot if theyre good ones

[soft raft]

At mininum 2 lvl 30 SR ones for cat nodes in OpSi

[sweet delta]

Bad cats cost basically nothing and are already 5-10% better than not using cats

[primal silo]

trying out 1:1 max level anchorage and uni for normal event stages
will it work?

[weary gust]

That's overkill.

[sweet delta]

Meh, use a DD or CL for faster clears and cheaper cost

[soft raft]

I think Ancho would lack DPS for fast clears

[stone sluice]

Thank you

[soft raft]

and 1:1 is only really for A/B/C stages
no reason to do anything less than 3:3 on D maps

[primal silo]

I am doing full fleet on D maps

[spring bolt]

for normal stage, lv70 0lb white ships 1:1 like cassin:ranger can clear with no issue with enough crossfleet support, and cost 4 oil per fight, if you are looking for low cost farming
if you don't want to bother, D3 full fleet is the way to go. 1:1 with mlb ships is just wasting your oil

[primal silo]

mainly just for the bonus first clears of the day

Other than that, I am full fleeting D3

[unique lantern]

so like... uhh... i got musashi in 20 pulls but dont have any bullins, viable or nah?

[stark quiver]

no, get some bulins

[unique lantern]

can only get 1 at most rn

[stark quiver]

bench her

[unique lantern]

would need to wait at least another month +- a few weeks

[sweet delta]

bench her

[undone plover]

Then wait till u get more
And by next month u might as well wait to see new UR before investing your bulins

[unique lantern]

aight, first imma level her a little tho, should be strong enough for event stages ye? soon done with haku unlock

[storm heron]

imagine benching a how many tonnes worth of weight

[unique lantern]

id let that weight drop on me

[stark quiver]

is this current ex autoable

[vagrant harness]

Is it advisable to use the bp thingy to get a ur gear here?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[storm heron]

bro bought plygun before tenrai

[sweet delta]

Id say it is

[stark quiver]

oh lol thx

[spring bolt]

then try using leveled normal DD like cassin + DDG or normal cvl for those stages, anchor + uni oil costs are too high
a and b maps are way too easy for them
or if you have good gears and crossfleet support, you can use white DD + lv1 white cvl with survival gears and let the corssfleet ships do all the work

[elfin hollow]

wanted to ask here too just in case - can you see a list of all of the ships in one banner? basically i want to pull for janus and albion but i obviously want to conserve my cubes, but if i can get another musashi on the way that'd be nice

[stark quiver]

It is in fact autoable

[eager mulch]

A

[stark quiver]

bet

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Building#Permanent_Construction
Also note the following:

• Events take from either heavy or special perma pools (This can mostly be determined by the hulltypes of the ships featured on the banner)
• There is a period of time before new additions to the perma pool are able to be pulled from event banners

[stark quiver]

sacrificed for the greater good

[undone plover]

Is the second point confirmed or speculation?

[vagrant harness]

I can get up to 42. How do i get the remaining 8? I set pr focus then do research? I wonder how long that'd take.

[spring bolt]

confirmed, we just don't know how long that period is, as it might be random and decided my devs's mood

[elfin hollow]

so it's unclear which pool populates the event pool? I got Takao and Prinz Heinrich this morning so i guess it's Heavy

[undone plover]

Basically yeah
Duration depends on how good you take the research

Q research have higher rates for gear

[sweet delta]

I saw that faer

[eager mulch]

have no faer, faerlein is here

[soft raft]

(This can mostly be determined by the hulltypes of the ships featured on the banner)
This banner for example
2 Heavy pool ships
0 Special pool ships
2 Light pool ships

[elfin hollow]

gotcha

rip albion then

i will save my cubes for new UR this year

[undone plover]

Well according to blaster’s second point even if it was special albion would have been unlikely/impossible since she was just archived

[elfin hollow]

right

[stark quiver]

[vagrant harness]

how good is musashi gun?

[eager mulch]

luckily it is possible to roll amagi-chans

[sweet delta]

Usually bis in EX, sometimes bis in various boss battles, so overall niche

[soft raft]

Very niche by virtue of taking half a min to reload
Which sucks but better to have it now and not need it later than to not have it and need it later

[fallow sedge]

What is the black Friday frenzy item thingy

[soft raft]

Since I have like nearly 40k spec core and 2 UR Bullins in my dock rn (Along with having every UR MLB), I dont really need to worry too much about getting to 30k pts while working on my finals, right?

[eager mulch]

finals can wait, grind is forever

[little tree]

~~ thats it ill retire amagi chan when I get her~~

[stark quiver]

realistically, yea you can slack

tho i did sell my finals to play al

[empty canopy]

How to use these?
Kinda confused

[eternal moth]

They're gear skins

[empty canopy]

And what's the difference

[wind hazel]

go to ship's gear, tap on gear skin

[tall forge]

is this a good main team?

[eternal moth]

No because they aren't MLB

[empty canopy]

Ah got it

[eternal moth]

Every one of your URs is currently useless

Unless NJ is MLB, I can't tell

[tall forge]

damn

whats mlb

[eternal moth]

max limit break

[tall forge]

ye

[eager mulch]

NJ is, eugene is, that’s it

[stark quiver]

at least eugen is

[eternal moth]

Is that normal Laffey? If so I think she is as well

[wind hazel]

50% mlb

[tall forge]

yep retrofit

[eager mulch]

i forgot laffey existed

[soft raft]

High lvl but basically no Limit breaks/dev levels

[tall forge]

its hard getting kearsarges research stuff

[soft raft]

alternatively you could've just benched her and used someone else until she's D30

[tall forge]

most of my lvl 120 over ships are ur

[soft raft]

what were you even doing with this fleet? W12 grinding? Campaign Pushing?

[tall forge]

ionknow i just put the girls i like into one group

[wind hazel]

50% of the girl you like are in bad states, so remove them lol

[tall forge]

Also im not even at w12 yet im still on 9

[soft raft]

Jesus christ

[tall forge]

Yes

I barely play al tbf

[wind hazel]

that's ok, keep collecting your waifu champ, don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[tall forge]

Uhh so what do i replace them with

All mlb ships i have?

[wind hazel]

ships that are good at max limit break, like unicorn

[tall forge]

Is enty good?

[wind hazel]

good

[tall forge]

Ok

Only lvl 115 tho

[wind hazel]

that's more than needed for w9

[tall forge]

Im also tryin to so the event stuff

Can i still get this while doing w9

[wind hazel]

prioritize event first

[tall forge]

Ah

Uh, im doing d1 rn i dont think this team will make the cut tbh

[wind hazel]

what's d1 fleet requirement again

[stark quiver]

idk but that team will probably make the cut

[wind hazel]

but short story is remove that kearsarge

[stark quiver]

maybe make your tank tank in fleet 1

[tall forge]

Tank tank?

[wind hazel]

let your eugen be the tank

[stark quiver]

make your tank, tank in fleet 1
my english bad

[wind hazel]

click adjust, move eugen to the left

[stark quiver]

looks better
make eugen tank
and js use a 2nd fleet as stat pad

[wind hazel]

tf you mean better

[stark quiver]

d10 kear?
mlb enty?

[tall forge]

?

[stark quiver]

lets pray that bismarck is mlb

[tall forge]

Ahah....

[stark quiver]

[warm cliff]

Who should get the higher priority for UR bullins? Shinano, Musashi, Vanaguard or Mogador? I have Alsace, Soyuz and Sandy MLB as my UR’s.

[wind hazel]

just post your entire dock

[tall forge]

[warm cliff]

This is my fleet:

[eternal moth]

Musashi or Vanguard. I'd probably prioritize Vanguard though

[cinder hornet]

I have Portland 5* already, are additional copies any useful or should I just discard them for coins?

[eternal moth]

Alsace/Vanny/Soyuz is a really strong BB fleet

[tall forge]

I do be ballin

[eternal moth]

Do you have her retrofit yet?

[tall forge]

How im at w9 idk

[cinder hornet]

No, I haven't retrofit her

[stark quiver]

w9 ez

[eternal moth]

Then I think you need a single one for that

[tall forge]

So uh

[eternal moth]

Retrofit Sara and go NJ/Enty/Sara

[wind hazel]

._. raise a unicorn

[tall forge]

Im fucked

[eternal moth]

Just stop using your URs until you get them MLB

[stark quiver]

did you buy the spec core from core shop and black friday shop

[tall forge]

No

[warm cliff]

This is a boss main fleet? If I put all my strong BB’s into one fleet my 2nd fleet won’t have any though…

[eternal moth]

That's used for OpSi and some meta fights

[warm cliff]

Oh alright, thanks!

[stark quiver]

black friday shop should be easy to get

[warm cliff]

How’s Shinano for a CV? Is she good?

[tall forge]

Ok, so basically mlb all your ships? Thats the advice?

[stark quiver]

mlb the UR ships youre using
theyre missing a lot of damage if not

[wind hazel]

one at a time

just focus on bismarck zwei

[tall forge]

Ok, is lb2 biscuit ok?

I dont think i can buy anymore bulims

[stark quiver]

js wait a bit
buy spec core
grind event

[eternal moth]

This is why you want to limit break your ships. This is what Bis2 gets at different LB levels

[tall forge]

I bought all spec cores

Btw how grind cores

[clever lance]

How good is musashi?

[barren tapir]

the event is easy anyway, use it to level up some more ships so your only options arent all just partially lb urs lol

[stark quiver]

top campaign bb

[wind hazel]

yes, like unicorn

[clever lance]

Worth burning my 600 cubes for?

[wind hazel]

you only need half of that to get a copy

[clever lance]

True

[eternal moth]

You get a total of 44 free tickets, and if you don't get her then, use cubes to get to pity

[stark quiver]

do you care about a certain to love ru collabration that may or may not rerun?

that also starts after this event rerun ends

[clever lance]

Not sure what you’re referring to lol

[stone sluice]

Better to wait for tomorrow’s stream then decide

[eternal moth]

Which part?

[clever lance]

Certain love ru

[eternal moth]

The next event is a collab with To Love Ru, the livestream is in about 6 hours

[stark quiver]

"to love ru" is an anime
we are gonna have a collabration with them
their characters are gonna be ships in game (probably)
may or may not rerun in the future

[clever lance]

Oh

Do you think 600 cubes is enough to pull musashi along with the upcoming ships?

[stark quiver]

no way to tell

[tall forge]

Is it possible to get cubes really fast or

[cinder hornet]

should a new player (this is like my 4th day) pull for mushashi or wait for the collab?

[tall forge]

Man i really want musashi but i also wanna ftp

[stark quiver]

use your free build tickets for sashi
its up to you

[cinder hornet]

no cubes right?

[eternal moth]

You should go all in for Musashi IMO; she's likely far more useful than anything that will be in the collab

[wind hazel]

hey, you don't know yet

[sweet delta]

Meta vs collector

[eager mulch]

solution: whale

[wind hazel]

maybe one day collab ships are gonna be meta

[stark quiver]

speaking of which, is rikka still meta for w14

[barren tapir]

all in on musashi is worth if you don't care abt collab but otherwise i'd rec against it. some consideration must be taken that collabs might never return

[sweet delta]

What worked 2 years ago still works now in the same content

[stark quiver]

nice

[eager mulch]

if cooper comes, tell him i said gn

[tall forge]

Good switch for dido?

[sweet delta]

What

[barren tapir]

dido can't equip it, so no

[storm heron]

dido a ca?

[tall forge]

Oh wait my bad, eugen

[eternal moth]

Right is called Eugen Gun, so you decide

[sweet delta]

If you're using no other CA then yes

[tall forge]

Oh god

[eternal moth]

Autoloaders are garbo

[sweet delta]

Hi, should I use Georgia gun or hood gun on hood?

[stark quiver]

[wind hazel]

her damage went up 100 pog

[tall forge]

What to change to

[viscid swift]

rudder/naval camo and toolbox

[sweet delta]

The blue hydraulic or camo

[tall forge]

Ok

[sweet delta]

Which pr seasons drop rudder?

[wind hazel]

all

[tall forge]

How to d30 kearsarge quickly

[eternal moth]

keep doing research

[viscid swift]

spending a bunch of cubes where quickly still means 2 months minimum

[tall forge]

What cubes?

[barren tapir]

that's the fun part, you don't. research is a marathon especially if you don't have loads of cubes to spare for it

[viscid swift]

exactly

[tall forge]

Im just gonna roll for musashi with my tickets

[stark quiver]

do your research dilligently

[tall forge]

If i dont get her then i give up cuz i was a dumbass and bought her l2d skin

[barren tapir]

hopefully not with f2p gems

[sweet delta]

Worst case you can convert more gems to cubes

[tall forge]

I have 300 gems left rn

[eternal moth]

Probably was

[tall forge]

Enough for 11cubes

[eternal moth]

Don't buy cubes with gems

[stone sluice]

No

[barren tapir]

unless you spend money i definitely wouldn't

[tall forge]

Nah it was paid

[barren tapir]

and it's poor value either way but i could see an argument for it if you spend a bunch and really want musashi since you have her skin xd

[tall forge]

Why do i get all the ur's i dont want but when the ur i want comes out it doesnt wanna come home early

[stark quiver]

if u want you can spend money to get enough cubes to get her
not what us mostly minmax people will suggest, but your choice

[barren tapir]

in that case it is your money. wait until the last day though ofc

[tall forge]

[eternal moth]

RNG is RNG

[tall forge]

I dont even have a card yet

[barren tapir]

why not save enough cubes for pity

[tall forge]

Spent all of it tryna get musashi

Should i just spend the 2 tickets i have

[barren tapir]

no like beforehand, go into an UR event with 400 cubes (well this one, 300)

[eternal moth]

Did you buy all the available tickets?

[tall forge]

Yep

[barren tapir]

especially if it's an UR you really really want

[sweet delta]

Got baited by tentacles

[tall forge]

I did a rookie mistake and just not participate in any events

Yk what all in

[wind hazel]

[barren tapir]

if that 'all in' includes spending gems for cubes, please wait until the last day of the event

[sweet delta]

T🐝H its skippable in terms of cubes because you'll be in UR bulin debt for at least a year anyways and then Musashi will be in perma pity

It's just whether you want to gamble for a skin display mannequin because you're still so far from pity

[stark quiver]

big brain moment

[barren tapir]

on the other hand he could get lucky and get 3 in the next 15 pulls like someone else did 90% of gamblers quit before they hit it big ||don't listen to me, listen to sushi||

[stark quiver]

you miss 100% of the shots you dont take 🧠

[tall forge]

Nah im just spending the two tickets i have currently

Wait sushi is gonna be perma pity soon?

[stark quiver]

suchiguma in perma pool?
and no not soon, give or take a year

[tall forge]

So next year?

[stark quiver]

maybe
or next next idk whenever the devs decide to archive it

[viscid swift]

at the very least it'd be behind Impero's event, Kronshtadt, Emden, Vanguard, and Roma

so yeah maybe May next year if you're lucky

[soft raft]

you mean after, right?

[zinc turret]

farm a looooots of coin and u will able to do it in 1 day

[soft raft]

You uh

Cant coin Kearsarge tho

nor Agir and Haku, PR5, the rest of PR6, and PR7 for that matter

[zinc turret]

oh really ?

[soft raft]

also the cost gets extremely expensive after 10 BPs per day

[elfin hollow]

Which is better musahi or nj

[stark quiver]

usuually sashi

[soft raft]

Musashi by a long shot in most use cases

[elfin hollow]

So I have soyuz musashi alsace nj and vanguard which are the good 3 to use in a fleet

[stark quiver]

soyuz alsace vanguard

[reef turtle]

Can you not scrap Augments?

[eternal moth]

No, but you can use blues to level

[glass hull]

can normal laffey use the bunny skin of laffey II?

[daring light]

is there any possibilities for yamato gun added into gear lab?

[eternal moth]

Eventually sure, but probably not until it's added to WA

[daring light]

[soft raft]

it took a good amount of time for NJ gun to be added to gear lab after She herself was added

like 6 months or so

[soft raft]

no but you can feed them to other augments like you would do with cats

[reef turtle]

thank you :)

[muted ember]

how good is this

[wind hazel]

Niche, but still grab it

[jaunty vault]

super niche but best in its niche

[muted ember]

what exactly is the niche

[jaunty vault]

single target med/heavy damage without giving a care about syncing or barrage

[muted ember]

ah

is it better to pair Z1 with Nimi or Z46

[jaunty vault]

it doesn't really matter

both are around the same (23/46)

[glacial harness]

I have enough ur bulins and dupes to mlb musashi, can i stop pulling with cubes?

[sweet delta]

felix and z47 are the strongest Zs

Otto and Z46 are also good

Does the damage dealt to this barrier count in endscreen results?
Shield Module: Vitality Surge Every 20s, the enemy Flagship will generate a shield that can absorb 20% of its Max HP, lasting for 5s.

[slow fox]

We can test that by airstriking the shield exactly once and nothing else

[sweet delta]

Does the damage dealt to this barrier count in endscreen results?
Bulwark of Strength A special barrier deployed by Arbiter: Strength VIII during combat.
While the barrier is in effect, Arbiter: Strength VIII takes 25.0% decreased DMG from shelling and airstrikes, but will also inflict 15.0% less DMG.
The barrier can absorb up to 160,000 HP and can only be deployed once.

[muted ember]

how good is this

[sweet delta]

it is in the second row from the top

[muted ember]

should I get this?

[soft raft]

Not a high prio considering you can mass produce a near identical chinese copy from PR5

[muted ember]

or maybe I could get this for Independence

[viscid swift]

Practically speaking syncing BBs with CVs mainly

[sweet delta]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[muted ember]

I already have enough Black and white shells

[slow fox]

Is said copy a good gun to throw on all DDs can call it a day?

[spark ridge]

Sub team help

[jaunty vault]

dependant on how lethargic one is

[stark quiver]

cooper, turtle said goodnight

[jaunty vault]

oh

gn bby

[fiery raptor]

pardon the dumb question, but laffy II is more durable than sandy kai yes?

[wind hazel]

yes

[hollow gust]

A shit ton more durable

[fiery raptor]

okay cool

[hollow gust]

Laffey is the tankiest w15 mob tank in the game, well other then Napoli

[bold stream]

Formidable to MLB then Sandiego? Then?

[hollow gust]

Bismarck

[bold stream]

Biamark is already max stars

[hollow gust]

No ,maxing Bismarck is the troll move , formi isn't that good either

[fiery raptor]

w15 good practice is 3 asw gear on 15-4 yes? hog, dc launcherand that gold asw plane aux or can you get away with just the 2?

[storm heron]

imo 2 asw gear is enough

[fiery raptor]

not running the dc launcher purple on the cl

[bold stream]

Well, cant be a chooser. I do not much main ssr as options

[storm heron]

or just 1 with eldridge

[fiery raptor]

okay good thnks

[hollow gust]

Many elites are better

[bold stream]

What do you mean? I should not use my ssr bulins?

[hollow gust]

Honestly the only ship in that screenshots that's worth is Sandy and a fat maybe tallin

[bold stream]

Yeah, i use unicorn and nelson too

Tallin, I will keep in mind.

[spark ridge]

really stupid question is it important to use both of the same torps on submarines

[storm heron]

yeah tall is okay

[barren tapir]

save your bulins they are slow to come by once you have a whole bunch you can be a bit more free on spending them but until then

[spark ridge]

are there any replacements for snorkals, i only have enough to afford 2 for now

[atomic abyss]

i mean frankly

if you are yet to be able to get 3 snorkels

i have to ask if you do have the relevant subs yet

[spark ridge]

no lmao https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1306870256341483530

im just gonna get 2, and throw them on my u47 and u96, 110 can sit around being useless as a wolfpack buffer lmao

[atomic abyss]

i would agree with that

then perhaps you'll be able to get 37 or 81

[spark ridge]

hopefuly 37 appears in merit, cus not goodto pull on standard banenrs right

[keen pewter]

tashkent gun

[muted ember]

would it be better to grind 12-4 or event D3?

[glacial harness]

D3

[atomic abyss]

grind event while event is ongoing

[muted ember]

would it be good to retire these 4?

cause I can just use Bulins

[barren tapir]

if you have them mlb then yes if not why not use them to lb

[atomic abyss]

they do give fleet tech for mlb

which is useful if you dont have hakuryuu unlocked yet

[sharp socket]

also dont buy stuff in core data shop if you dont need it

[muted ember]

I do have a good amount of IJN ships that I haven't MLB'd

[barren tapir]

in general when you can save bulins it's good to imo

[crystal vortex]

@atomic abyss what do you think my gear

[sharp socket]

also are 3 black shells still recommended to buy in core shop for new player

hsfcr + white shell seems better in almost all situations than white + black

[atomic abyss]

i would drop the musashi gun for a daisen gun

the gun is just

kinda awful in most cases

[finite crag]

what are people using nakhimov for its been a while since she came out now

[vale spindle]

big damage number

[sweet delta]

secretary

[finite crag]

light med heavy?

[crystal vortex]

[atomic abyss]

allegedly, she is best with kear and yk2

i dont have either so i cant be sure

[muted ember]

already have enough of those

[atomic abyss]

i have been using her with soyuz to excellent effect

her DPS should be the highest for a UR CV if you proc her skill

[crystal vortex]

Is my gear perfect for Musashi?

[atomic abyss]

and there in lies the issue, proccing the skill

[atomic abyss]

i said this for a reason

the rainbow gun isnt very good

[crystal vortex]

Ok thank you

[atomic abyss]

i wouldnt use soyuz for heavy probably

[hollow gust]

Nahkimov gets absolutely bullied in heavy by Amagi and co.
While light is still Yorktown's bitch

[finite crag]

so its just medium

[atomic abyss]

well

[crystal vortex]

I don't have a soyuz yet

[atomic abyss]

funky, she replaces impla for light comps

[tall forge]

is this a good set up for her? anything i need to imrpove on?

[sharp socket]

bad gear in all 5 slots

[tall forge]

damn

[atomic abyss]

for you, use this for musashi

[hollow gust]

Your best gear is the CL gun and that's shit still

[atomic abyss]

otherwise this

[tall forge]

then the hell i use

[finite crag]

kear yk2 nak?

[hollow gust]

Just recommended twin and triple 410, not everyone is going for pr7

[sharp socket]

champagne gun, triple 155 secondary, staag, white shell, hsfcr/afct

[atomic abyss]

yep
you would run tash as the russia slower

[muted ember]

would Twin 410 work on Musashi?

[atomic abyss]

it would yes

[finite crag]

and same syncing as if you were using impla? 0.2s off?

[crystal vortex]

I will try it but my blueprint is not good enough

[atomic abyss]

impla and nakhi both have more than 0.2s leeway iirc
but ideally, yes

[muted ember]

also would Champy gun work on Musashi if I use her in Boss fleet?

[civic oak]

This group is black-and-white with gear opinions. Secondary and AA are both functional. It's the bismarck gun that is truly trash.

[finite crag]

cool thanks

[strong tartan]

406mm mk6

[atomic abyss]

no, she wants japanese guns specifically

[hollow gust]

The auxes are dogshit for backline

[atomic abyss]

use this for musashi bossing then

[tall forge]

the ur one?

[strong tartan]

no the purple

[atomic abyss]

mk6 is purple

[weary scroll]

Should I build musashi next or amagi cv?

[barren tapir]

sg radar is...fine if they have no shells or anything better (no purple fcr or shell either) otherwise ye total dogwater

[sharp socket]

the AA gun prefers staag for hit stat for BBs, its AA power is irrelevant

[tall forge]

oh

[atomic abyss]

amagi because you have 2 UR BBs mlb

[strong tartan]

amagi cv

[weary scroll]

Ok how good is she btw is she meta?

[tall forge]

wut abt these

[civic oak]

See that's what I mean.

[atomic abyss]

top

[barren tapir]

well duh but also if they have nothing then gold aa is better than an empty slot i think?

[atomic abyss]

give her the triple 155 that sirius has
give sirius the one owari has

[muted ember]

the only IJN BB Gun I have is Twin 410

[strong tartan]

that's dido

[barren tapir]

their gear situation looks dire, i wouldnt expect them to have anything tbh

[civic oak]

I play the same game you lot do, why is it I do fine without bis gear?

[hollow gust]

Mean what? 3/5 are absolutely useless for backline , aa gun is poor too

[atomic abyss]

then use that and that only

[tall forge]

the 155 is dido

[atomic abyss]

the point remains the same

[hollow gust]

Cause you are cleaning fodder in single digit worlds

[tall forge]

this?

[civic oak]

I never said what world I'm on.

[strong tartan]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

yes

[weary scroll]

Also do you get any oath skin if you oath amagi cv

[barren tapir]

cos this is a meta place ppl will suggest the best gear obviously. now, if they dont have those more alternatives should be suggested, and usually are

[strong tartan]

No she doesn't have one

[south sequoia]

No

[barren tapir]

ye that is a very good budget setup ^

[hollow gust]

If you think that sg radar and toolbox is fine then you clearly aren't doing well

[sharp socket]

their gear stuff look ok, they have mk7 and soyuz gun so likely have the stuff for good gear but just dont know where to get it

[civic oak]

I haven't said anything on the Aux either.

[muted ember]

does the specialized Core from black friday shop count towards the monthly limit?

[hollow gust]

[barren tapir]

moreso the quantities are dire - they have some good gear but only a couple pieces of for example mk6 which is gonna make gearing multiple ships well difficult

[glacial harness]

It doesn't, I bought them and they didn't

[atomic abyss]

[civic oak]

Now will you stop puting words in my mouth?

[atomic abyss]

if people come here looking for help

it is best to give them the best possible recommendation

[tall forge]

well i wont be using kearsarge for awhile soooo

[atomic abyss]

and not what is "ok"

[sharp socket]

its not hard to get mk6/champy gun, tri155, staag, white shell etc

[civic oak]

Give them what is within their means.

[atomic abyss]

and it is

[barren tapir]

sg radar is definitely not good but it's still an ok budget option if you lack most other thing

UR fcr / gold fcr, shells > purple shell and purple fcr > sg radar > anything else

since it at least provides hit

[atomic abyss]

toolbox is almost never appropriate on backliners

[tall forge]

oh god bruh

[civic oak]

I highly doubt they'd be using that stuff if they had a bunch of bis gear laying around.

[barren tapir]

mk6 definitely, the others take some time (auxgun maybe easy too idk, was it a tech box one?)

[hollow gust]

Swap toolbox with literally anything and it's better

[finite crag]

how would they know whether or not they have good gear or not genius

[atomic abyss]

replace toolbox with SG for now if you have nothing better
then you should be much better offthan from where you started

[tall forge]

i think my nj needs more help tbh

[weary scroll]

Also how good is musashi compared to Alsace or are they pretty similar

[atomic abyss]

similar strength wise but have different "best uses"

[muted ember]

how good would this be for KMS Shipyard grinding fleet?(pretend I have Scarnhorst as the last backline ship) also don't mind levels I would be using this for a good while

[hollow gust]

None of these are hard to use gear , they purple gear that's infinitely better then whatever purple aux and main gun they use

[barren tapir]

i do use toolbox for complete low level backline shitters im dragging thru with carries im talking really low level on event maps etc to save on exp books

they wont do any dmg anyway so i dont see the harm for my use case lol

[civic oak]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. this place needs better moderation.

[tall forge]

ionknow anythin bout gears help

[atomic abyss]

disclaimer - only the front OR the back will be accounting for said experience to PR grinding
you do not need an entire german fleet

[hollow gust]

You don't need full ironblood fleets, Just the one you are grinding . When farming for pr ship it doesn't matter what ships you use as long as they still gain stuff

[atomic abyss]

thats fine tbh lol

[barren tapir]

like i can easily carry 2 lvl40 backliners in d3 and i put toolboxes on them to better ensure they dont take a stray hit and die

[strong tartan]

This is fine

[atomic abyss]

thats SO much better than the bis2

[glacial harness]

huh
i need to level my musashi to 70, I'll try it

[weary scroll]

Oh ok what are they both used for?

[civic oak]

YES! Tell them what to aim for, obviously! Give them some more immediately useful recommendations, though!

[tall forge]

how make this better

[barren tapir]

been using this since oklahoma and california were lvl40 and it was lethal

[atomic abyss]

musashi's strongest niche is as a mobbing BB for w15
alsace is as a bosser for opsi

however, they are both strong enough to work in each other's roles extremely well

[barren tapir]

(as u can tell i am chasing USS tech)

[glacial harness]

Could change the radar for another catapult or fuel tank

[hollow gust]

Gold fighters with bombs , and gold barracuda

[hollow gust]

Ur the one causing the problems

[fiery raptor]

were people able to get away with using sextuples on the cvl in w15 or is staag as standard the better way to go

[muted ember]

got it,I only really wanted to know if these ships are good enough to use for grinding while also not getting bullied

[tall forge]

ima borrow stuff from kearsarge lol

[finite crag]

is that not what people are doing by guiding them through gearing lmao

[strong tartan]

what dev level is your kearsarge

[hollow gust]

Backline aa isn't very noticeable , you won't feel anything using either

[weary scroll]

Ah ok thx what is amagi cv usually used for?

[atomic abyss]

in that case, i would split the fleet up
so you have stronger ships to carry your weaker ones that you are using for PR grinding

[civic oak]

"Trash. Get BIS" Is not guiding.

[hollow gust]

Everything , she is a UR CV

[finite crag]

nice strawman

[atomic abyss]

mainly bossing in opsi
but she works anywhere from being a UR

[tall forge]

?

[hollow gust]

, nice bis, is that what you still use

[atomic abyss]

use purple helldiver for dive bomber slot (2nd)

[barren tapir]

i can see both points of view here, especially bc really early on even recommended transitional gears may not be present for them

[hollow gust]

Ur previous dive bomber is better , nothing replaces helldiver until rainbows

[muted ember]

got it thanks

[strong tartan]

No keep the helldiver but use a gold barracuda for your torp bomber slot

[fiery raptor]

in campaign any role mobbing or boss, in opsi she works with implac and shinano/haku to nutsmash heavy armor

[atomic abyss]

yes, that dive bomber

[tall forge]

[atomic abyss]

time to open more tech boxes

[barren tapir]

tenzan i guess

[sharp socket]

open more tech boxes

[hollow gust]

I guess you can benefit from tenzen

[atomic abyss]

tenzan for sure

[sudden sparrow]

Y'all, is this good enough for NJ?

[barren tapir]

its converging tb but it shud be fine since enty prefers bossing anyway

for mobbing youd want a barracuda cope with boxes for one theyre great early

[sharp socket]

meh good good good good

[atomic abyss]

good enough if you dont intend to min max her damage

[sharp socket]

take out main gun for champagne gun, that gun is mainly for musashi

[hollow gust]

I would swap that augment , and you can optimize the gun and auxiliary weapon

[sweet delta]

good great amazing amazing great

[muted ember]

is it better to put this on a backliner or a frontliner?

[tall forge]

this works right?

[atomic abyss]

the oxy torp goes

[stark quiver]

If it’s best you have yea

[hollow gust]

I wouldn't use that torpedo , she does like 0 damage , use a toolbox, take it from your Bismarck

[sharp socket]

replace oxytorp with defensive aux like toolbox

[stark quiver]

Oh wait didn’t see the torp, replace with toolbox then

[sudden sparrow]

No need for that torp.

[barren tapir]

change the oxytorp to toolkit and the aa if u have anything better like purple bofors or higher otherwise it's fine

[tall forge]

kk

[atomic abyss]

If anything, it's you who needs it

[barren tapir]

[sudden sparrow]

Better.

[tall forge]

laffey

[atomic abyss]

another toolbox to replace the naval camo

[sharp socket]

more toolbox

[sudden sparrow]

Replace the naval camo with toolbox.

[barren tapir]

2 toolboxes if you have enough to spare otherwise just replace the blue with a toolbox

[sharp socket]

DDs have high eva and low hp so they prefer hp aux over eva aux

[cobalt rapids]

dont + gear above 10, those gold plate are sparse and reserved only for the best of the best