gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

If you can clear lv95 might as well

[eternal basalt]

We just had an event with 2 free

[atomic abyss]

Hassat you're missing my point

^

[opaque gate]

how tf do i S rank this one

do i have to kill everything?

[atomic abyss]

I'm pretty sure they say the criteria for S clear no?

[opaque gate]

oooh 2 cargo ships

ok thanks

[atomic abyss]

2 cargo ships, the boss and lose no subs iirc

if you lose subs i think you have to clear 5 cargo ships

which is quite the challenge

actually mori
would a newish player have the mats to even convert that many torps to bidders before they reach cmdr lvl 95

[wind hazel]

idk but they can collect mark8

[atomic abyss]

and at least there's sub weeklies now

fuck the SOS maps, genuinely

[eternal basalt]

What SOS maps?

[wind hazel]

sub SOS

[atomic abyss]

[wind hazel]

i genuinely did those on weekly basis ._.

[atomic abyss]

before the days of sub weeklies
the only way you could get sub mats (outside the beginner sub boxes in medal shop) was by these things called SOS maps

it's essentially x-4 of a map but with subs

the problem is, you couldnt spam those
your "sos calls" take time to regenerate

and the regenerated at random intervals too iirc

[eternal basalt]

(oh my god, he thinks I don't know SOS maps )

[wind hazel]

tbh hassat, your track record really says otherwise

[cobalt rapids]

Would move to 95 asap for gold plates but by asap i mean when u naturally clear lv95 with some purple subs without dropping huge resources on it like on RF or gold bulins when subs arent a prio

[atomic abyss]

i thought you just locked it away in the deep dark recesses of your mind

im pretty sure i actually got jintsuu on 10-5 once

and then they made bidders farmable on 13-4 before we got sub weeklies

[eternal basalt]

We've ALWAYS has sub weeklies

[glad folio]

worth it or nah?

[shell willow]

we didnt even have subs at all at start no

[eternal basalt]

Before w13 and bidders

[atomic abyss]

not particularly

[dreamy blade]

gold bulin for 10k coins isnt good?

[atomic abyss]

that assumes you even have the 10k coins

[cobalt rapids]

Its good if u can afford it

[atomic abyss]

if you're a player who just came back you may not have much coins to spare

[dreamy blade]

i figured youd have quite a bit in the mail as a returning

[eternal basalt]

Save coin for Musashi

[glad folio]

i spent them on retrofitting san diego and warsprite

[atomic abyss]

WHY WARSPITE

[dreamy blade]

[glad folio]

she looks cute and awesome

[atomic abyss]

based? maybe
my man that's not only 58k coins wasted

that's also half a UR bulin

[glad folio]

you can merge bulins ?

[atomic abyss]

no

[eternal basalt]

If old moght have gotten from event

[atomic abyss]

where did you get warspite's retro item from

the shop or did you already have it

[glad folio]

i bought like every retro item from the shop

[atomic abyss]

yeah

[sweet delta]

[atomic abyss]

with said currency

you could have bought UR bulins

the currency for that shop is timegated

and the UR bulins are far more valuable

since they're your main ways of limit breaking URs, which are the best ships in the game

[glad folio]

o

[atomic abyss]

so uh

kinda big fuck up

san diego is fine but warspite in particular is kinda misstep

nothing that cant be fixed with time sure but...

[plain saffron]

Account ruined

[atomic abyss]

we did not

i just checked

[eternal basalt]

Atleast far before w13 got added

[glad folio]

the only ur ship i have rn is new jersey

[atomic abyss]

Jul 11 2019

[eternal basalt]

It was there when I started end 2019

[wind hazel]

🫃🏼 man

[atomic abyss]

Mar 22 2019

hassat pls

you havent played the game long enough

[glad folio]

long island is still the best aircraft ship in the game since then, dont believe the propganda

[storm heron]

added hardmode chapter 9

[sweet delta]

At the end of the day mark viii was never in chapter 13

[atomic abyss]

EN did get 13 after the weekly was added

but thats because EN was still playing catch up

[sweet delta]

Mark viii didn't exist

[atomic abyss]

it didnt
neither did the lv 95 daily

[sweet delta]

Idk what you meant by bidders being farmable in 13-4

[atomic abyss]

oh no im dumb

i meant the mk16

Mk16 is farmable on 13-4

[sweet delta]

[eternal basalt]

That's not EN

[atomic abyss]

EN got sub weekly same time as other servers

EN only got w12 in Jun 2019

so EN never got w13 before the sub weekly

for the other servers tho, yes

and this was w12 pre-nerf too

before both nerfs

cos airspace control was added with w13

[coarse heron]

10-5 was actually fun

[coarse heron]

elite Dewey

[muted ember]

should I just use these 3 to grind Roon?

[atomic abyss]

Sure

[muted ember]

alright,just need to finish retro-ing Nimi

[left cedar]

Eugen is HP tech ... no othe option ... Desu ? Spee ?

[muted ember]

I got Spee

[coarse heron]

Spee at least gives much more useful level 120 tech of FP

[muted ember]

I'm just focusing on pure tech points for FdG

[left cedar]

yeah, Desu Class isnt much behind Hipper class, and have a better Tech for CA/CB
also they use purple bullin, letting ur Gold Bullin to usefull ships

[storm heron]

then you should focus on limit breaking, why grind a ship below level 70?

[left cedar]

Desu = 84
Eugen = 126

plus wut i said above

[muted ember]

I also want to use 3 vanguards for Roon for extra tech points

[storm heron]

I would not 120 bad fleet tech for tech points

[muted ember]

who's Desu again?

[left cedar]

if u really wanna KMS Tech, u can aim for Schar class

Desu = Deutschland

[muted ember]

I'm basically missing 134 once I limit break Bismarck

[muted ember]

both of em are in D2 of Divergent chessboard right?

[left cedar]

also in D4, like, all them

Desu, Schar, Gnei, and DDs

[muted ember]

I also got these 3

[storm heron]

z1 is good

apparently all of them is fp tech so good

[left cedar]

yeah, pretty much all Zs Elite or above are FP tech

[muted ember]

and for the main fleet ships I'll be grinding with for FdG,how does Tirpitz,Bismarck,and Zeppy sound?

or maybe replace Zeppy for one of the Scarns

[storm heron]

zeppy as in the small zep? probably want someone else

[left cedar]

in 12-1 pretty much everything works ... so yeah, they are KMS and they will survive with minimal gear and lvl 80~

[muted ember]

currently my only KMS Main ships are those 3

[left cedar]

more reasons to go for Schars ... cuz have others Main KMS ships in PRs ... and Agir also need main XP ... so go for them

Odin, AvP and Agir need 7.2M Main XP

[muted ember]

also don't ask why Tirpitz is so high lvl,cause I forgot-

I think I just used her a lot in those 10 hour commisions

[storm heron]

welp whatever then zeppy will probably do, Idk what other options are available for newbs, and you probably want to get fdg done asap

[left cedar]

Zeppy has 0 Fac tech and Stats Tech, so even Schars giving EVA Tech, they have a sjkyhigh prio

[muted ember]

I got a lot of points for the other 3 big factions but not alot for KMS

[left cedar]

KMS are easy to get Tech, since they have double value of Tech

[muted ember]

it's mostly that I barely got any

[left cedar]

Quincy its around the equal to Desu in Tech, same Hull, about same age irl, and equal "tier" and rarity
47 Tec for Quincy
84 Tec for Desu

[sweet delta]

But 47 doubled is 94 not 84

[crisp tree]

Who do I switch out for Shinano?

[left cedar]

look, i'm not a Dev, idk they valiations methods... all i know its both where made in same decade, are CAs ...

[muted ember]

who's that on the top left

[sudden sparrow]

Lusty.

[muted ember]

also is your Shinano LMB

[crisp tree]

Ye

[left cedar]

just say MLB, Fully LMB seens a waste

[crisp tree]

I have no sense of direction but it's Lust-Bellorussia?-Uni

Oh wait that isn't sovetsky

[left cedar]

Lusty isnt much a thing for campaign, so yeah, Shin got Lusty place

[opaque gate]

is saint louis pr1 tankier than portland overall?

[left cedar]

Sovetskaya Belorrusiya
all that BB Class start with "Sovetskaya" except Soyuz

[muted ember]

sorry I still have yet to memorize all the nicknames the community uses

[muted ember]

use Portland until you get Anchorage

[crisp tree]

That's one tongue twister

[opaque gate]

tf really? cuz i have a spare saint louis (when pr first came out i have herblueprints),, can she be strongee than portland though?

[crisp tree]

Time for lusty to get sent to watch over the developing second fleet

[left cedar]

DDs names are even better

also u can forgot the ones like
Arkhangelsk ...

[opaque gate]

damn kinda disappointing lol, thought saint louis will have her own use

[muted ember]

speaking of which,once you get another good main ship might want to replace Uni in that fleet and put her in Mob fleet

[muted ember]

don't expect any PR1 besides Roon to have many uses

[crisp tree]

That's the plan really, Gradually shift my fleet one Kansen to fleet 2 as I get better ships,

[opaque gate]

is she good for mob fleet though? cuz even if she isnt tankier than portland, i guess she can deal a bit more dmg

[sudden sparrow]

Used her as a tank for my french fleet until I got Brest. She's just chilling in my docks these days.

[crimson glacier]

roons dmg isnt that amazing either

[left cedar]

PR1 ships are old asf, but they are doing Aug for them, cope for a gud one

Imo, dont cope too much, anything that isnt IJN barelly got something valuable

[crimson glacier]

pr1 kinda just sucks, its just tech

[opaque gate]

izumo kind of useful though

[left cedar]

Roon kinda nerf herself

[opaque gate]

ok ill still use ssint louis cuz she looks better than portland

[fresh briar]

Does chapayev good or usele-

[opaque gate]

after fdg, who should i go for next? wnchorage or another kms

[sweet delta]

Good against DD bosses

[muted ember]

Anchorage to replace Portland and then the 2 KMS

[sweet delta]

Which are quite rare

[fresh briar]

Last meta Nagato flat che-

[left cedar]

Ancho is a gud thing, easier to D30, also cheaper, and u will need time and money to D30 FdG and Ancho at same time, and Agir dosnt have Coinable mechanic

[muted ember]

also how's my mob fleet

[sweet delta]

[opaque gate]

who are the the two kms?

[muted ember]

August and Agir

[sweet delta]

Aegir, august

[left cedar]

2nd probally, and its Agir

[fresh briar]

Good or not

[left cedar]

if famrning/lvling, okay ...

[opaque gate]

ok so after fdg, i go for anchorage then august then agir

[left cedar]

if u are trying to push, isnt going to be a thing, since Fargo isnt much a tanker, and why 2 CV Buffers for Indep and Uni, in mob ...

[sudden sparrow]

As far as I know, the Sakura DD is great for carrier fleets.

[sweet delta]

A top 4-8 gold BB

[muted ember]

yea but I'm very used to having a BB flagship,might change Hood with Sara

[muted ember]

working with what I got rn

[steel lava]

Where should I put Eugen in my fleet?

[tame jungle]

Nowhere

[left cedar]

in ur heart, cuz Eugen is bad gameplay wise ...

[steel lava]

Oh... I just got her from the 8 day login reward thing

[tame jungle]

Also i’d replace ganj-i-sawai too depending on your options

[cinder hornet]

what should I do when the mood of the team is low? keep farming? swap teams? or is there any way to recover it?

[tame jungle]

(Pennsylvania, hood, kinda whatever which one you choose)

[steel lava]

I have no one else to replace her with

[tame jungle]

You can get penny in guild shop

[sudden sparrow]

Like, unless you need a good tank or it's early game, you shouldn't really be using her.

[sweet delta]

I have a far-fetched speculation that that ganji does not have a gold main gun

[muted ember]

take a break or put the bad mood ship in Dorm

[steel lava]

Yeah...

[left cedar]

even needing a Tanker early on, why in hell invest in Eugen instead Portland

[cinder hornet]

thanks! as I have tons of oil, should I maybe set up a second fleet and farm to level it up?

[muted ember]

also,I should be using the double xp books on 12-1 right?

[cinder hornet]

instead of taking a break I mean

[tame jungle]

Use the double xp books when you don’t have much time

[muted ember]

2nd fleet isn't really needed in early game,you'll start needing a 2nd fleet starting in chapter 9

[tame jungle]

Just take a break, put your ships in dorm and let them recover

[muted ember]

go touch grass

[jagged harness]

I wanna ask which is better Prinz Heinrich or Prinz Eugen?

[muted ember]

should I just replace Fargo with Portland?

[left cedar]

2x Books, are for who dosnt have much time to play, they double everything, cost and rewards ...

[tame jungle]

No

[slow fox]

Esdeath carring gph

[tame jungle]

It’s happy hour rn

[left cedar]

06 am Happy hour ?

[tame jungle]

Always thursday evening somewhere

[coarse heron]

ah classic 15-2, Shinano and Amagi got deleted by Ise and Hyuuga 5 seconds before the fight ended

[sudden sparrow]

Prinz Heinrich. Better than Eugen stat wise if you leave out one or two stats and much better skills.

[left cedar]

well, u need her for Begginer mission, she also a better tank, idk where chapter u are neither how much ur portland is invested

[slow fox]

Prinz Eugen is tankier.

[left cedar]

99% Hein > Eugen

[tame jungle]

Prinz heinrich does more

[coarse heron]

Heinrich is "imagine if Eugen was good"

[slow fox]

eHP slander is real

[left cedar]

that 01% is a niche occassion where u need a tanker for idk wut reason u dont invest in Agir or Ancho and is desesperatly trying to beat something like Harbiter and ur Eugen is 125 ...

[slow fox]

Finally some sense

[muted ember]

chapter 12 and Portland is max lvl cause I used her before I got Anchorage

[sudden sparrow]

My Eugen is lv 125 lol

[coarse heron]

my Eugen only finally hit 110

sure as hell not wasting crisps or coins on getting her to 120

[left cedar]

my Eugen is 125, she has my first tanker, and is Oathed and of course i have a skin for her ...

also, i love to cook something here and there for her

[coarse heron]

my first tank was.... Suffolk then Portland

[muted ember]

my first tank was Indy chan

[left cedar]

so u are farming or pushing content, and wut W ?

[jagged harness]

I see, I just got prinz eugen, while i already have prinz Heinrich, i mean they both look good, but i can't comparison their strength

[sudden sparrow]

Don't ask why, just blame my stupidity from early game and newness to the game.

[coarse heron]

I used Indy long enough for her to hit 100, but I dumped her way before I needed ships above 100

[storm heron]

they did not joke when they say prepare to reset

[coarse heron]

I haven't had to reset yet, fortunately

[muted ember]

farming until I can clear 12-4,cause I barely survived 12-3

[coarse heron]

12-4 is easier than 12-3

[sudden sparrow]

Same, except the having skin for her that isn't her oath skin.

[muted ember]

I still barely survived 12-3,I'd better be safe than sorry

[left cedar]

so u are gearing and lvling ships to keep pushing ?
them time to see ur ships, and prepare a fleet

[crimson glacier]

12-3 has a lot more backline dmg

12-4 boss has more frontline dmg

[left cedar]

u know the difference in W12 ? cuz i trully dont rmb anything remarkable about W12 ...

[crimson glacier]

just depend on what you can deal with easier

[muted ember]

no suicide boats,and also a lot of planes

[coarse heron]

except on cargo fleets

[left cedar]

that is the thing ... W12 is a joke, easier than W11, alot easier than W13 ... almost no pressure if u make the basics and progress enhancing right poverty gears and ships ...

[muted ember]

give me a sec,clearing a Divergent chessboard map

[coarse heron]

worst case you lose a bit of oil
best case you finish 12-4

[sudden sparrow]

Actual Plane hell starts at World 13. Got my ass handed there and still working out a fleet for it.

[storm heron]

am I the only one that thinks w12 isn't that easy? There's always the 3 star bb or cv node that can potentially sink your mob fleet

[muted ember]

my Anchorage died after I finished the 12-3 boss

[coarse heron]

a ship sinking on lethal during a boss isn't that uncommon

[muted ember]

like consistently

[left cedar]

Ancho diying ... idk, that is strange ...

[coarse heron]

but yeah what's your anchorage gear like

[sweet delta]

are you just saying that to make yourself feel better about amagi and shinano?

[sudden sparrow]

Why does this concern me...?

[storm heron]

like you still need thinking on ship composition and gearing to farm shitters in w12

[left cedar]

Ancho is one of the tankest ships in game ... if she die in a easy content, something must be really wrong ...

[left cedar]

and yeah, W12 lethal is a joke ...

[coarse heron]

I'm not a teenager I don't need to massage my ego about skill issue.

[crimson glacier]

i mean your anchor is super underleveled and you still won so

doesnt that just show that w12 is pretty easy

[left cedar]

aside lvl nothing wrong with Anch, something must be wrong with main ...

[opaque gate]

is there a way to get another beaver squad?

[storm heron]

as long as you won it is pretty easy

[crimson glacier]

no

[muted ember]

no,it's one per account

[opaque gate]

fuuuk

is it + washing machine goated for azuma?

[muted ember]

here's boss fleet btw

[crimson glacier]

washing machine is the best aux in the game

its goated for most vanguards

[jagged harness]

Is akagi good???

[left cedar]

make a thread, post a ss of everyone gears please

[crimson glacier]

not really

[sudden sparrow]

Tool box and beaver badge fight for second, in my opinion.

[storm heron]

did they win comfortably?

[crimson glacier]

nah beaver is not even close

and theres plenty of other HP auxes

[storm heron]

yeah beaver has less eva and no 20s immune cope

[opaque gate]

dang why am i not even getting a tenrai blue print for such a long time

[coarse heron]

them's the breaks

[crimson glacier]

thats just how research is

[left cedar]

git luck

[muted ember]

well last time I did it Ancorage sank and the other 2 vanguards are low HP

[sweet delta]

Level 100 is low for chapter 12 lethal

[sudden sparrow]

Only as wifey. Nothing more, nothing less.

[left cedar]

72/50 La-9 already, les gol

[opaque gate]

focusing on blue prints sux

[left cedar]

git luck, and it will be pog

[sweet delta]

Not as bad as focusing on green prints

[storm heron]

strength 8 just make me realize how bad my account is

[opaque gate]

should i immediately rrade prototype cores for tenrai design if ever i have enough?

[crimson glacier]

tenrai is good but its not that important

[opaque gate]

cuz i already have the three bb gun ap thingy

[left cedar]

3 Champy GUns first are the usually
after that u can start to consider to take Tenrai

[opaque gate]

worth completing over finishing fdg??

[left cedar]

well, ifu already got 3 Champy Guns, them u can start to get the amount for Tenrai

[jaunty dawn]

Hi I started about 5 days ago and I heard that there is a good ship coming out in the upcoming event and I was wondering how could I get cubes fast as a new player

[muted ember]

here's boss fleet btw

[coarse heron]

uhhh series 3 DR so that's uhhh... you'd be using those DR prints on FdG anyway so yeah do it

[storm heron]

nah start your coining first

[opaque gate]

ok ill just finish fdg first

[sweet delta]

Fdg first

[muted ember]

grind dailies,do story missions

[storm heron]

then start on series 3

[opaque gate]

then build who in pr3?

maybe kms for fleet tech?

[sudden sparrow]

Just do the daily missions and weekly missions every time ya get. Also, save on coins if you can.

[storm heron]

[coarse heron]

if you can build all of them uhhh depends on what you're lacking.

[jaunty dawn]

Ty

[coarse heron]

probably the Fake Cat Cheshire is best choice

[jaunty dawn]

Ty

[storm heron]

champagne is good for brest/bayard tech too
eh nvm you probably need cheshire for power first

[opaque gate]

ok thx, seattle can be good for w13

[coarse heron]

Cheshire is a better choice

[opaque gate]

oh wait that is pr2

ahh cheshire is the cat one

[crimson glacier]

seattle is just meh

[coarse heron]

Seattle looks good on paper only

[tame jungle]

Cheshire has 2 full strength AA mounts

[storm heron]

seattle has either 1.5 AA or 1.5 MGM

[tame jungle]

Seattle AA is a trap

[crimson glacier]

1.5 sounds way too good

[sudden sparrow]

Definitely good for launching lead and hate at planes with similar-role ships.

[crimson glacier]

and seattle always has atleast 2 mgms anyway

[opaque gate]

ok so cheshire after fdg then anchorage then august agir

[storm heron]

oh lol I forgot seattle has 2 mgm already

[sudden sparrow]

After Agir and August, focus on Plymouth. Best CL in the game currently.

[coarse heron]

Seattle with her absolute trash weap efficiency

[crimson glacier]

theres just isnt reason to use seattle when san diego is just so much better at everything

[tame jungle]

Gonna take way too long to get prints for plymouth when you’re focusing 4

[sudden sparrow]

That's why you always attempt to focus on one thing at a time.

Divide and conquer it's what it's called, I believe.

[storm heron]

[opaque gate]

pr3 really sucks tf, the gun is good though

[coarse heron]

PR3 has been powercrept

[crimson glacier]

same for 2 and 1

[storm heron]

that's why pr4 should be research focus, build whatever, and catchup whatever

[coarse heron]

FdG is going to stop being relevant once Musashi goes to perma, as is her only remaining relevance is a permanently obtainable DR mobbing BB

[crimson glacier]

that doesnt matter for fdg lol

musashi will still cost bulins

[storm heron]

relevant in the late game sure, but what about early game, might as well grab her if you missed soyuz alsace bz and all the things

[crimson glacier]

and imagine how many URs there are in 1 or 2 more years

[left cedar]

and Musa perma its quite far in time ... cuz she gona Rerun this week ...

[tame jungle]

Sushi when perma you can just exchange for dupes anyway after shinano (if nano isn’t replaced by then)

[storm heron]

was yt2 after musashi back then? do you just have no event for 4 months?

[coarse heron]

Shinano would be replaced by uhhh... an even more busted Sakura UR CV?

[muted ember]

how long did it take Ulrich to enter perma

[coarse heron]

10 months

[left cedar]

in 2y my FdG can get a insane gud Augment and change everything

[muted ember]

from last rerun or debut banner-

[coarse heron]

from rerun

[left cedar]

UvH isnt perma already ?

[storm heron]

then get powercrept by musashi augment

[muted ember]

welp,Musashi in perm 10 months for now

[crimson glacier]

10 months? noidonthinkso

[left cedar]

1~3 y

[hard ocean]

Super quick question; are barrage damage only based off of skill level unless it specifically says something else?

[crimson glacier]

always scale from fp or torp or whatever the barrage is

[storm heron]

there are the scalings, just look at riseist/barrage:datamine or something

[left cedar]

alot of URs need to get into Perma, and now it will start years with 4 URs ... so it will be a even bigger need of rerun and WA ... so idk how they will do with it

[left cedar]

so, u answer urself if this ss

[storm heron]

no, they asked like how long since rerun

[muted ember]

well I just started playing this game 4 months ago so I basically have no info of this game pre July 2024

[coarse heron]

and the answer was 10 months

[left cedar]

so i ENed, my bad

[storm heron]

oh wait what wysty ID

[coarse heron]

from my understanding it was a very quick WA compared to usual, though

[storm heron]

[muted ember]

so every War Archives comes with a few ships getting put in perm banner?

[left cedar]

yeah, once the event get archived (ships into perma) maps go to WA

[coarse heron]

sometimes ships will get put into shops instead

[muted ember]

also you need 400 to guarantee UR right?

[coarse heron]

400 cubes spent, not 400 pulls

[muted ember]

wish me luck then

[crimson glacier]

Reruns only need 320 ish

[left cedar]

thats why i mention Get into perma, cuz they can be to core shop, merit, medal, and pools ...

[muted ember]

knowing my track records with IJN URs,I have slightly better odds

[coarse heron]

my track record with URs is better than with SSRs

[storm heron]

my track records with IJN is all sparks

[left cedar]

b4 Yorck and UvH i also have stupid high luck with KMS ...

[crimson glacier]

your track record is irrelevant

[muted ember]

bro I am still malding over the fact that I failed to get Indianapolis

[left cedar]

them i got 380 and 400 cubes spend, and unironically, Yorck is my top spend in cubes ...

[muted ember]

I got all other SSR but not her

[atomic abyss]

arent you given indianapolis for free

on day 2

[coarse heron]

I think he means Indiana

[atomic abyss]

im assuming you mean indiana ye

[crimson glacier]

probably means indiana

[muted ember]

right yea

[errant wing]

should i max LB shima or amagi cv or soyuz?

[muted ember]

am dum :p

[coarse heron]

post picture of all your URs

[errant wing]

okai gib me a second

[left cedar]

probally Amagi > Soyuz with UR bullins
Shin >>>>>>>>>>>> Shima with Dupes

[muted ember]

also,after Musashi should I save for Implacable?

[atomic abyss]

you shd save for any UR, rerun or otherwise

[coarse heron]

I'd argue that Shimakaze is the worst perma-UR

[atomic abyss]

we are expecting a new UR in December, if we go by previous years

and the next UR after Musashi due for a rerun is Yorktown 2 anyways

[muted ember]

how good is she compared to Shinano and Amagi CV

[crimson glacier]

really depends on many things, i think NJ is good candidate for the worst UR

[atomic abyss]

mlb amagi first

[coarse heron]

I'd say Amagi too

[storm heron]

implac? she has a stop so she really can't be compared

[muted ember]

Amagi

[errant wing]

Ohh ok tyy

[atomic abyss]

who is "she"?

[muted ember]

no I mean Yorktown 2

[atomic abyss]

beats them both against med and light armour

she is about as important as amagi in other words

[muted ember]

I see

[storm heron]

for light and medium armor bosses yt2 is much better than amagi shinano comps

[muted ember]

well if I get Yorktown I'd probably put her in mob fleet

most of the time-

[storm heron]

why though

[left cedar]

Y2 ok, but OG York isnt a thing

[crimson glacier]

idk if i could eve say that yt2 is "much better"

[storm heron]

wait I mean he is theoretically not wrong, since he is talking about yorktown

[muted ember]

am too attached to my 2 UR CVs on Boss to change em-

[atomic abyss]

isnt yk2 one of the best bossers for w15

[crimson glacier]

when shina amagi or even shina haku just beat light and med with ease

[coarse heron]

I feel like pretty much all of the UR CVs should be for bossing

[storm heron]

not campaign boss, there will be opsi boss which is single targeted

[atomic abyss]

yeah i checked
yk2 is preferred for w15 bossing regardless

[muted ember]

I'm still far away from w15

[coarse heron]

you should still plan for it

[atomic abyss]

you would still use yorktown 2 for opsi then

[muted ember]

ngl,my plan rn is to finish 12-4 and then move to opsi

[crimson glacier]

why do you want ot use yt2 in mob in the first place

[muted ember]

^

[storm heron]

in Operation Siren you can have 4 fleets, and all the difficult boss is single targeted (alone)

[coarse heron]

don't get attached to ships or you'll struggle on content

[atomic abyss]

you do realise yorktown 2 is also a UR CV right

[spring bolt]

best bosser is aquila

[coarse heron]

don't say that somebody might believe you

[muted ember]

yea I learnt that the hard way here from getting bullied for using Indy chan

[crimson glacier]

aquila is pretty insane tho, if you have good fleet around her

[storm heron]

who bullied you

[spring bolt]

not joking, aquila helps more than any rainbow cv in ch 15 boss fleets

[coarse heron]

Aquila is great in healer mode on W15 bossing for me

[crimson glacier]

yeah thats the point

no one cares about the preload mode

[coarse heron]

well I use her in preload mode for OpSi mobbing

[storm heron]

wait why aquila in w15 boss fleet?

[crimson glacier]

coz she is good

[atomic abyss]

because you probably will need a pseudo healer for boss in w15

[coarse heron]

yeah cause 15-3 and 15-4 bosses are insane

[muted ember]

looking through my text history,Vordea and Smoothie

[crimson glacier]

the biggest problem is, that mob wants aquila too

[coarse heron]

2 Aquilas

[storm heron]

no way

[soft dagger]

volga exists

[velvet slate]

3* stared chapter 15 without aguila, without musashi, without a single flapjack and the DPS carry of my mob fleet was NJ with a +13 georgia while the Boss team was carried by Aslace and had no healer on my boss team

[crimson glacier]

volga is much worse

[storm heron]

might as well use 2 musashis and 2 aquilas

[velvet slate]

imo people put random things as mandatory without them being needed in the slightest.

[muted ember]

also if I get another UR chooser,should I get another NJ or UvH?

[cobalt rapids]

Shows no ship is mandatory

[atomic abyss]

[crimson glacier]

NJ is the worst UR BB if you have other non UVH UR BBs ready

[atomic abyss]

no one ship is mandatory

[ancient socket]

I used Ryuuhou personally.

[atomic abyss]

a ship role is different

[crimson glacier]

the thing is

[soft dagger]

she will suffice, no need to be equal to aquila

[upbeat wagon]

Should i use nelson or pennsylvania

[muted ember]

the only URs I have are Shinano and Amagi

[storm heron]

Idk man w15 boss is like the easiest thing I've ever fought, such a fresh air after the very tough mobs

[muted ember]

Pennsylvania until you retro Nelson

[crimson glacier]

this is gameplay help, why recommend things that can work if theres other stuff that work better

[cobalt rapids]

You dont need off healers to clear w15 either uni is enough

[velvet slate]

i have pretty much every UR bb besides Zwei and Musashi and if u properly use NJ she is just slightly behind Soyuz and by slightly i mean 5-10%

[coarse heron]

15-1 boss is tutorial

[velvet slate]

so to call NJ worst UR is peak bad take

[crimson glacier]

so you setup your NJ to succeed and others to fail, gz

[storm heron]

I'm talking about the cv and 2 dds in 15-4

[atomic abyss]

nelson

[crimson glacier]

i dont care what you think, NJ is worse than all non uvh UR BBs

[velvet slate]

no i give everyone same gear cuz i have enough +13 georgias to give everyone equal weapons

[atomic abyss]

as far as paper calcs go

[crimson glacier]

same gear doesnt matter

[atomic abyss]

NJ is noticeably worse than the best UR BBs

[velvet slate]

you flata out fail on your take because FDG will never compare to NJ

[crimson glacier]

how does fdg matter

[atomic abyss]

fdg and nj damage are the ones that are similar

[coarse heron]

man I'm having a way better experience using the subs for the trash mobs before the boss spawns on 15-2 instead of using them on Ise and Hyuuga themselves
calling them at 15s in versus waiting until right before the boss comes

[crimson glacier]

we are talking about UR BBs

[velvet slate]

and no UVH is not better than NJ, thats delulu take lmao

[muted ember]

so what I'm hearing is I'd choose UvH once I get another 400 points in Perma

[coarse heron]

I guess we're excluding UvH because of how niche her use case is

[crimson glacier]

no one said uvh is better

[atomic abyss]

[storm heron]

maybe because when 15s in there are many more targets to hit

[atomic abyss]

you want a simple answer?

[crimson glacier]

like if you get mad, atleast get mad at reality

[coarse heron]

I mean in backline getting stomped or not
I don't mean in damage dealt

[crimson glacier]

you are boxing shadows my man

[coarse heron]

maybe it's causing air strikes to time better

[muted ember]

ok so uhhh,can you guys give me a list of the perma URs I should prioritzed in getting?

[storm heron]

also I remember taihou and mogami was more difficult, for w15 I literally manualed all the mob fleets and can finally rest auto in the boss fights (except the ise hyuuga)

[honest stirrup]

I forgot something, is the level 13-4 solely focusing on planes control or is there enough enemy subs to be a significant danger?

[crimson glacier]

shinano is by far the strongest perma UR

[tame jungle]

shinano mlb > everything else

[cobalt rapids]

Shinano

[storm heron]

shinano > nj > uvh > shimakaze

[coarse heron]

Shinano MLB > NJ > Shima > UvH

[cobalt rapids]

Uvh 2nd

[atomic abyss]

shinano if not mlb > nj/uvh depending on the case > shima

[crimson glacier]

unless if you have other UR BBs, then uvh before NJ

[muted ember]

welp,I got MLB Shinano

[errant wing]

who is predicted to be the nxt perma UR again?

[storm heron]

planes only

[atomic abyss]

no subs still 14-3 and 14-4

[muted ember]

my only UR BB is NJ

[crimson glacier]

then complete her

[atomic abyss]

kronshtadt

[errant wing]

oh right kron, tyty

[coarse heron]

Is Kronk one of those UR in name only ones or is she actually good

[atomic abyss]

kronk is actually very good

[crimson glacier]

she is fine, not reallyt worth bulins

[storm heron]

very high damage for kronk

[atomic abyss]

the issue is that there are other, even MORE accesible very good tanks lmao

[crimson glacier]

eh her dmg is nothing special

[cobalt rapids]

Same story with nj, oversaturated market

[atomic abyss]

her damage is high for a CB yes
its not VERY high tho

she's still not gonna be a DPS

[coarse heron]

so if I already have a Dev30 Agir not exactly a high priority ship?

[crimson glacier]

shes basically just better azuma

[storm heron]

then what is higher than her in campaign

[honest stirrup]

I don't think having a CB that deals a bit of damage is worth more than a CB that tanks everything

[crimson glacier]

agir is the reason why kronk always was pretty meh since agir is better and was released first

[atomic abyss]

guam, napoli, agir, brest

not sure if you'd include ancho

[storm heron]

so very high damage?

[crimson glacier]

no?

[atomic abyss]

no

their damage is not notable period

it's just "not bad"

[left cedar]

my stands for high VG dmg its Unze, Hindy ...

[crimson glacier]

doesnt matter if you are the best CB, dmg still aint going to be very high, and idk if she even is the best CB for dmg

[coarse heron]

the damage is there, like they do more damage than Eugen (not a high bar)
the real thing is their tanking

[atomic abyss]

i believe kron is the highest DPS for a CB

[crimson glacier]

wasnt brest similar

[coarse heron]

I feel like CBs would be more relevant if a CB requirement ever happened for a hard mode

[atomic abyss]

but so what really

[left cedar]

they are pretty much the same, the diff isnt much ...

[crimson glacier]

like i said best CB dmg is still CB

[cobalt rapids]

CB are alr relevant…

[left cedar]

things get strange once its AA Focused thing and Guam is there ...

[coarse heron]

yeah but once you have 2-3 they stop mattering

[cobalt rapids]

Like every ship

[crimson glacier]

that goes for like most ship types

[honest stirrup]

You'd still need to get these 2-3, since CB is one of the hardest classes to get

[coarse heron]

I guess so

[crimson glacier]

could be worse like ARs, you get 0 and they already stopped mattering

[atomic abyss]

there is an argument to be made that kron is even lower prio to LB than shima

[coarse heron]

or Munition Ships

[tame jungle]

the pvp argument

[atomic abyss]

i would just consider them both equally low on the LB prio list

[crimson glacier]

if you have tanks then kronk kinda whatever

[cobalt rapids]

I wouldnt put bullins in neither shima or kron rn

[atomic abyss]

what torva said
if you have the other CBs, why invest in kron at all?

at least shima still has higher damage than ibuki

[coarse heron]

what if you're me who only has Agir and Azuma

[atomic abyss]

even if kron is more useful

[left cedar]

i wouldnt put a UR Bullin in any perma UR

[crimson glacier]

agir and azuma is fine

[cobalt rapids]

Ancho aegir azuma do u need more tanks ?

[crimson glacier]

you can get anchor easily too

[frank pulsar]

agreed, at least shima has her torp niche
kronk is just not worth it since you get more than enough tanks for 4 opsi fleets from just research alone

[crimson glacier]

shima was really good at w14 on w14 release

[storm heron]

yeah right maybe I am just biased since kronk carried me in w14 by singlehandedly destroying the bb production

[coarse heron]

I use Shima for W15 boss

[crimson glacier]

kronk destroying BBs? lmao no

[atomic abyss]

give kron an aug that lets her inflict slow without crossfleet and THEN she'll have a niche use

[frank pulsar]

poi carried me during my w14 days

[storm heron]

I have to search that w14-4 boss kronk clear

[crimson glacier]

i feel like everything that kronk cna do in w14, drake can do better

[atomic abyss]

that is, quite a hot take

[crimson glacier]

i used drake a lot back in the day

[atomic abyss]

i can see where the argument comes from, but still a hot take

[coarse heron]

I still use Drake

[soft dagger]

and still only can proc once

[crimson glacier]

i think taz used her as tank too with great success

[coarse heron]

She's a good ship Bront

[spring bolt]

drake had good old days, but now gone

[coarse heron]

she still does alright on W15 mob

[storm heron]

wait that clears 15-4?

[left cedar]

W15, FdG mob ?
damm ....

[coarse heron]

this is only 15-2

[frank pulsar]

is that 15-1 or smth
whys the total dmg so low

[coarse heron]

it was a Medium Recon Fleet on 15-2

[cobalt rapids]

This doesnt tell me much

[left cedar]

idk, why i can see my heinrich doing the same ...

[coarse heron]

look if you saw the BBs I have to choose from you'd use FdG too

[left cedar]

specially with FdG there cuz she will hit a shit and others it will need to do the dmg

[frank pulsar]

use nj or smth at least, better than fdg for w15

[cobalt rapids]

Unless u got no other rainbow gacha bb yes

[left cedar]

i trully love my FdG, but she cant hit a shit there ...

[cobalt rapids]

Nj is better

[coarse heron]

NJ is in the boss fleet Sir.

[crimson glacier]

NJ probably in boss

[left cedar]

idk, maybe UvH with her 50 luck it will hit more than FdG, and yeah, UvH mid ...

but not 125, so not a option ...

[coarse heron]

I can not see a difference of 25 luck doing much of anything

[honest stirrup]

I'm really not seeing what you're saying with all this "My FdG can't hit [anything]" because I certainly don't have this problem

[left cedar]

so look better at screen, specially when smooke scree on enemies

[frank pulsar]

fdg > uvh for w15
and its not like fdg accuracy is horrible or anyt, its like 78% (excluding smoke and that kinda stuff)

[cobalt rapids]

Every bb has to deal with smoke eitherway

[left cedar]

some like musa is just better ... better dmg againts med/heavy in barrage and better barrage for it

[cobalt rapids]

I mean yes

[left cedar]

look, i love my FdG but the diff its quite a thing ...

[honest stirrup]

I'd argue Musa is definitely more fit for W15 mob, but he doesn't have her

[cobalt rapids]

Her barrage is just better focused for it but i meant for shelling

[left cedar]

yeah, but in Smooke, Musa just bzzz and done ... FdG otherwise ...

[south sequoia]

everyone with musashi pretty much does run musa for w15 mob, even during release

it's not really new

[coarse heron]

yeah like I'm switching to Musashi as soon as I get her to 120 after pulling her next week

but right now I don't have that option

[storm heron]

It's 13-4 though, and idk maybe had I used bb they will do more damage than kronk?

[velvet slate]

i stayed away from chapter 15 specifically because i was told by several people in this discord that musashi is mandatory... so take whatever people are saying with a giant doze of skepticism

[honest stirrup]

What the hell is that font and what the hell is that damage

[crimson glacier]

random screenshot out of nowhere

[storm heron]

also manually synced cvs, helena sg radar, reset till I see enough lucky E and Assault carrier procs

[crimson glacier]

so you nerfed your CVs

[south sequoia]

People who have said that are def capping as members here have beat w15 before without musashi

[crimson glacier]

its easy to see that you are new here when you bothered to post that

[south sequoia]

FDG herself does fine

[frank pulsar]

i did it before with nj, sushi definitely nice but not necessary

[south sequoia]

without musashi, without even laffii and guam

It's not impossible
you will struggle more than people who have these 3 yes, but the only thing that will be mandatory here is good gear and good healing

[velvet slate]

yeh i learned later when i tried it that it was perfectly doable altho in my case i did have access to the new busted af Sandy lol

[left cedar]

look, i have tryed alot with FdG in W15 ... i did till 15-3 with KMS only (18 ships) and without a single DD ...
isnt lack of trying here ... Musa its just quite a improvment over FdG

BUT, imo if things its boss them Bis2 is the thing

and FdG is also worse than other UR BBs into Boss, since she better at Light, and no Light bosses there ...

[crimson glacier]

how is fdg better at light

[cobalt rapids]

Does any1 even contest musashi is best w15 bb

[left cedar]

barrage and not locked into IJN Guns

[frank pulsar]

i had better success with soy than zwei, zwei explodes way too often

[crimson glacier]

i dont think she is the best, just top 1 uncontested 🙂

[south sequoia]

technically zwei

but zwei can be swapped out for other damage centric ur bbs for boss

[storm heron]

musashi is the best but these days you don't even need musashi

[crimson glacier]

zwei cant match musashi

[velvet slate]

to me Alsace was also insanely good in 15, but until i get to try musashi i cant personally know, all im hearing is that musash is fantastic but i heard the same about vanguard albeit different reasoning :)).

[left cedar]

in Boss yeah Bis2 > all, in Mob i think Musa is the best one for that ... her skill to get all Dmg to herself make W15 alot easier

[crimson glacier]

vanguard is fantastic tho, or do you mean in w15

[storm heron]

you probably need to see a full IB clear to see why you don't need musashi

[velvet slate]

oh i know musashi is not needed, like i said earlier i cleared it without flapjacks, without aquila and without musashi or yorktown 2 and 3 stared it.

And later ive heard people were able to do it with IB which i didnt believe it at first. I wrongly believed to be impossible to use IB and clear 15

[crimson glacier]

it still effectively is impossible for 99% of the players

[left cedar]

i start with it, but Sushi manage to succed first than i, and also i quite get a veteran retirement
so far as i know, Sushi is the first to KMS only W15(18 Ships)

[honest stirrup]

what's IB?

[crimson glacier]

ironblood

[velvet slate]

Iron Blood or KMS

[left cedar]

Iron Blood

[frank pulsar]

more than that lmao, being able to clear w15 alone puts you in top 1% iirc

[honest stirrup]

Oh so you meant full Iron blood fleet
damn

[storm heron]

[crimson glacier]

i know, i just didnt bother to type like 9 more 9s

[spring bolt]

cleared as in full auto max danger 3 star and oneshot clear or manual in mobs to see boss with retries?
the gap is huge between the 2 scenario

[left cedar]

about KMS Thing ?
full manual and 18 KMS Ships, so basically no healer

[frank pulsar]

clear is not 3* wdym

[storm heron]

reset till you can only see 3 node bb and nothing else, then full auto lethal 3 star

[velvet slate]

regardless it is still impressive imo

[cobalt rapids]

Who even can do full ib lethal 3* clear, no handicap is alr challenging

[storm heron]

the most impressive is that he figured out the ship combinations

[crimson glacier]

eh is there that much choice

[storm heron]

with all the equipments

[coarse heron]

W14 is probably top 1% too

[honest stirrup]

what fleet comb
I just throw ships and see whether they're more mob focused or boss focused

[left cedar]

idk, seens quite impossible to 3* 15-3 and 15-4 with KMS Only

W14 its quite easy to KMS only ...

"easy"

[storm heron]

maybe suchi will someday 3* lethal 15-4 ib only
then 3* lethal 15-3 ib only

[cobalt rapids]

15-3 is easier than 4

[left cedar]

-4 have ammo thing ...

[storm heron]

oh, even with the ammo node?

[cobalt rapids]

Yes

[coarse heron]

yeah but 4 has 3 bosses, 3 has 2

[crimson glacier]

even with ammo i always found 4 to be harder in like every world

[left cedar]

but iirc -3 have 3 less fights for all mobs

[coarse heron]

I found 14-4 to be significantly easier than 14-3

[crimson glacier]

i thought 14-3 was a joke

[storm heron]

Oh yea, did suchi even took the ammo for the OoA fights

[crimson glacier]

14-2 was much harder than 14-3 imo

[cobalt rapids]

Clearing may be easier but 3*ing def not

[coarse heron]

I thought 14-2 was a joke and 14-3 was really hard

[crimson glacier]

and 14-4 was just hard version of 14-3

[cobalt rapids]

-1 and -2 are tutorials

[jaunty vault]

14-2 boss is hard
14-3 is hard

[velvet slate]

15-3 out of ammo fights were significantly easier than 15-4 even if there were more of them for 3*. I barely made it out of the last fight with less than 10% on my flagship 🤣

[storm heron]

I thought 15-3 and 15-4 was a joke until I redo 15-2 and flagship sunk

[crimson glacier]

mobs are harder in 3 than 2 true

[left cedar]

14-2 is Yamas and Fuso right ?

so yeah, if u get lucky they just pew pew and ur main melt down

[crimson glacier]

but that annoying 1 shot boss in 2 compared to 14-3s dead DDs

[cobalt rapids]

the entire w14 is fusous

[coarse heron]

I don't remember the 14-2 boss
of course, I did it 3 years ago

[crimson glacier]

so did i

[velvet slate]

out of ammo fights in 15-4 feel endless, especially battleship nods

[coarse heron]

14-3 kicked my ass first time I tried it

[crimson glacier]

or was it more than 3 at this point

[coarse heron]

it came out around this time in 2021, I want to say
cause I did 14-1 and 14-2 before I quit in Nov 2021

[crimson glacier]

hmm was it early 2020

[coarse heron]

it wasn't 2020, cause I started June 2020

[crimson glacier]

when w14 released, i think i was moving at the time

[left cedar]

W14 has a bit b4 UvH

[storm heron]

oh suchi took the ammo, welp, next step I guess is 15-3 lethal with pure ib

would be long til 15-4 lethal 3*

[coarse heron]

the Chapter 14 page on the Wiki was created October 2021, so sometime around then I guess?

[crimson glacier]

i see

[spring bolt]

wasn't asking about that but good to know
kms clear is a whole different story
the point is xx ship is not needed automatically means things will get harder. when the fleet strength decreases, thing like auto lethal full clear quickly becomes impossible, was reminding those guys who says "xx not used but still can clear" to be more specific about how the clear was done

[cobalt rapids]

Im pretty sure he has videos for both but i cant check rn

[coarse heron]

October 21st, 2021

[crimson glacier]

maybe im thinking of w13 then

[coarse heron]

13 was January 2020

[crimson glacier]

now that sounds more like it

[honest stirrup]

I just did chap 13-4 to compare (don't mind the comp it was solely for test) and what the hell did you feed your enemies jeez, I dealt 2x less damage

[coarse heron]

bro was plane farming

[crimson glacier]

well he did say that he nerfed his CVs

so the fight probably dragged out

[coarse heron]

yeah and Taihou throws literal swarms of planes out at regular intervals

[honest stirrup]

That's maybe it, my FdG didn't have time to shoot her second salvo
Enemies just crumpled

[coarse heron]

so easy to damage pad with those

[storm heron]

I mean helena sg procs at 56 s, so I dragged out around 8s (?)

[soft dagger]

his ss is on an older patch

[honest stirrup]

Did they shadow nerf w13?

[crimson glacier]

after kronk release? i highly doubt it

i cant think of any nerf than w12 nerf

and that happened before EN even got w12

[coarse heron]

the W12 nerf was when they nerfed everything wasn't it

[crimson glacier]

it was to make space for w13

[atomic abyss]

there were 2 nerfs to w12

[crimson glacier]

since w13 didnt raise the level cap

[storm heron]

oh yea the mob before taihou was cleared at 44s mark

so no CV launches, kronk singlehandedly destroyed things

[coarse heron]

ah shit I looked away and NJ got nuked by 15-2 boss

[atomic abyss]

first nerf was adding ACV

second nerf was decreasing the levels across all chapters

[crimson glacier]

i didnt think of acv as nerf

but i guess thats fair

[atomic abyss]

ACV was a nerf because w12 was actually ridiculously difficult back in the day

[crimson glacier]

idk about that

[atomic abyss]

we didnt even get pre nerf w12 iirc

[velvet slate]

this explains why when i got back intot he game last year chapter 12 felt so much easier than in 2020 when i last played (or was it 2019, forgot)

[cobalt rapids]

Try ruddering her if u havnt alr

[sharp socket]

you can put defensive auxes on backline?

[coarse heron]

well yeah

[atomic abyss]

ofc you can

[cobalt rapids]

You can

[left cedar]

its funny to read "W12 its hard" but yeah, back there on beggining with lack of everything and gud gears and easily acessible gud ships as nowadays ... i can agree with 12 being a challenge

[coarse heron]

it's just usually they don't take enough damage

[atomic abyss]

rudders on backline is a strat for pvp too

[crimson glacier]

on w13 release

[cobalt rapids]

Usually they take non evadable sources of dmg like planes and rammers

[crimson glacier]

the most meta boss fleet for w13 was portland/roon, helena, sandy with monarch enty essex

[atomic abyss]

i mean do consider this torva

[velvet slate]

a friend of mine who started less than 2 months ago wants to beat chapter 14 in about a week or so. So yeh things are much more different now than they were in the past for all the reasons you just mentioned.

[sharp socket]

maybe i could rudder my volga because she seems susceptible to suicide boats in w14

[atomic abyss]

that wouldnt help

rudder is to avoid BB sniping
not suicide boats

[coarse heron]

you should put a better gun on your BB instead

[left cedar]

hammers and suicides are unvoidable ... Planes as well

[atomic abyss]

suicide boat damage cannot be evaded

[sharp socket]

i have a +13 457 on my bb

[atomic abyss]

same with plane crash damage
same with sub crash damage

[coarse heron]

secondary.

[left cedar]

every crash sources is unvoidable

[cobalt rapids]

Intercept gun

[atomic abyss]

better aux gun

[sharp socket]

155 kai

[storm heron]

unfortunate, that is just how w14 is

[sharp socket]

the plygun is on someone else

[atomic abyss]

consider the twin 137 then

[cobalt rapids]

Are u usure its rammers and not being set on fire by bbs then?

[storm heron]

when OoA all suicide boats took steroids

[sharp socket]

since when 155 kai not recommended for w14

[coarse heron]

since this exists

[cobalt rapids]

The top position in w14 is more predisposed to wild shelling

[atomic abyss]

after suchi did testing

[left cedar]

since Ply Gun and 137 became a thing

[atomic abyss]

it turns out that 137 is better at interception than the 155 kai

[storm heron]

when did 137 come out?

[cobalt rapids]

In w14?

[sharp socket]

bruh i got this info 3 months ago and its already outdated

[left cedar]

i think a bit after W14 or just with it

[atomic abyss]

suchi's tests were quite recent too iirc

[coarse heron]

Welcome to AL

[cobalt rapids]

I only know sushi testing w15 interceptions

[atomic abyss]

may have been

[sharp socket]

well i cant revert my 3x 155 kai

[crimson glacier]

the gun is good

[cobalt rapids]

Which are different from w14

[atomic abyss]

all i can say is that i did have greater success

[crimson glacier]

you lost literally nothing upgrading those guns

[atomic abyss]

use for CL main guns

[frank pulsar]

155 kai should be sufficient, is your vanguard lacking dps

[left cedar]

1y around, cuz when Sushi start to try and test heavy i'm busy with my rl ...

[atomic abyss]

could be this

[crimson glacier]

and yeah CL guns worked fine for everyone in the past anywya

[atomic abyss]

frontline issue prolly

who was your frontline?

[frank pulsar]

i had literally zero issues with backline survivability outside of enemy bb shelling

[coarse heron]

I just used the regular 155 until W14 suicide boats kept pissing me off, then I asked "what do" and got told the 137

[sharp socket]

eld tai yuan sandy

[crimson glacier]

i think i just used chappy guns

[atomic abyss]

how are you having issues

those shd have 0 issue with suicide boats

[storm heron]

record and share

[atomic abyss]

ty and sandy shd obliterate them

[sharp socket]

i think its rng hitting me

[cobalt rapids]

@sharp socket rammers dmg is random they cannot target ur volga

[velvet slate]

try giving sandy a fast shooting gun

[sharp socket]

also its 14-4 specifically

[crimson glacier]

sandy doesnt want fast gun, she wants strong gun

[frank pulsar]

that vanguard is like 3x better than mine when i cleared

[sharp socket]

i try not to run into 3* bb nodes but they keep appearing

[atomic abyss]

to be frank

[frank pulsar]

i slapped random ssr stuff tgt and cleared on 14-4 how is your stuff struggling

[atomic abyss]

yeah your luck is just ass in that case

[storm heron]

[atomic abyss]

oh

i think i know why you're struggling

[crimson glacier]

i highly doubt you beat w14 lethal with random ssr

[atomic abyss]

your frontline is too busy trying to kill the heavy armour production types
to deal with suicide boats

[coarse heron]

bro used Charybdis

[sharp socket]

i think weve talked about this before where my frontline has no anti heavy

[atomic abyss]

yeah the lack of anti heavy is the cause prolly

das my theory at least

[frank pulsar]

tbf, most of my ssr are the better ones like hood, owari, etc

[left cedar]

i did with full CAs, and pretty sure Eugen has tank

[storm heron]

maybe sandy and ty just don't have enough damage for shielded and heavy enemy?

[atomic abyss]

rather

[cobalt rapids]

The anti heavy are ur bb and cv launches

[atomic abyss]

they are too busy dealing with those to deal with suicide boats

[storm heron]

use kronk maybe

[frank pulsar]

celerio send full pic of fleets with gear

[sharp socket]

i have torpers
just that its ayanami and kaza as my torpers

[atomic abyss]

why do you think harbin is a popular pick for w14?

[crimson glacier]

coz she looks good

[atomic abyss]

torva saying a character looks good? preposterous!

[frank pulsar]

personally she looks pretty bad to me
harbin has torp, smoke and gun which are all good in w14

[sharp socket]

wes

[coarse heron]

that is... a lot of ASW
I don't think you need that much

[sharp socket]

some gearing is funny dont worry about it

[frank pulsar]

fleet looks completely fine
what's your strat when picking nodes? do you pick flares and lighthouse?

[honest stirrup]

Wow
That mob vanguard looks so fragile I bet it would shatter in my hands

[atomic abyss]

eld is there, its not fragile

[crimson glacier]

its not that fragile

[storm heron]

eldridge plus hedgehog already one tapping w15 subs in OoA

[coarse heron]

my ASW for W14 was just Eldridge + Sandy with a Hedgehog

[cobalt rapids]

Also drop the sextuples

[sharp socket]

i hit lighthouse but no flare

[crimson glacier]

i remember suzu tanking w14 like a boss

[honest stirrup]

nvm forgot eldrigde retro is tank focused

[frank pulsar]

its very tanky, especially in w14

[storm heron]

surprisingly w14 has very little vanguard pressure

[crimson glacier]

without any extra helpers

[cobalt rapids]

W15 subs are easier than w14 but asw is overkill

[crimson glacier]

and sandy with eldridge should be much mroe tanky

[frank pulsar]

do you take bb nodes out of ammo? also try to avoid shrouded nodes

[atomic abyss]

stupid question but

that fdg is fs5 right

[sharp socket]

of course

[crimson glacier]

does it really matter anywya

[frank pulsar]

its fine even without fs5

[storm heron]

come on it's celerio

[sharp socket]

i can put alsus there if you like

[atomic abyss]

nah fdg is the best pick for 14 mob

better than sushi even arguably

[frank pulsar]

otherwise i genuinely have no idea how that struggles

[storm heron]

if your issue is suicide boats doubt alsace gonna help

[atomic abyss]

umi, it's cos fdg can spam her barrage

[sharp socket]

her barrage has more bullets

[cobalt rapids]

It’s prob not rammers

[atomic abyss]

so she does way more damage than usual

[coarse heron]

I'm gonna agree with Ender here cause FdG's barrage spam is perfect for catching suicide boats

[spring bolt]

yeah that fleet lacks heavy armor focused vanguards, try using harbin or ply or kaza instead of sandy + tai yuan

[cobalt rapids]

But i cant tell unless celerio watches his fight

[atomic abyss]

and enemies are actually weak enough to be killed

unlike in 15 where they're a bit too tanky

[storm heron]

is record and share really frowned upon here?

[crimson glacier]

no?

[atomic abyss]

its not

i would even encourage it

thats what we tried to to with berke after all

[sharp socket]

my phone will toaster so ill not do that, though im also lazy to download on emu

[crimson glacier]

dont worry emu is toast too with this game

[atomic abyss]

anyways it's prolly bad rng

[sharp socket]

i have 32gb ram it wont toaster on emu

[atomic abyss]

personally, i started tackling BB nodes last after changing my team

in your case yeah, definitely do BB nodes first

[cobalt rapids]

Sushi has other benefits , at most sidegrades for w14

[storm heron]

help, I could not find my w14 recordings, I swear I recorded how I manualed straight torp ayanamis

[atomic abyss]

after i switched to this i began tackling BB nodes last

[honest stirrup]

You're saying there's a special way to manual worth doing enough to bother recording it?

[storm heron]

If I recorded on bluestacks, where will the recording usually be?

[sharp socket]

i may be stupid but im not a troll so dont worry about that

[crimson glacier]

check your bluestack settings

[cobalt rapids]

W.e u have it set up in settings

[atomic abyss]

...i really need to craft a 100 kai soon

[sharp socket]

anyway ill go reset more until i get 14-4 safe since u guys dont have any changes to my fleets

[atomic abyss]

well on 14-4 you can full ammo everything anyways
unless you intend to go for full clear

[sharp socket]

i can 3* with ammo?

[atomic abyss]

unless you intend to go for full clear

[storm heron]

is it safe to turn off hyper V or whatever it is

[atomic abyss]

you dont get enough for full clear

[sharp socket]

oh ok

so ill get to safe and then full clear which was my plan

[ancient socket]

Yes.

[storm heron]

[sharp socket]

also ply is uh d29.5 in boss

but lv125

that should be fine right

if not i can put someone else there for more damage/survivability

[honest stirrup]

You're missing out on 5 FP and that will cause your vanguard to die within the first enemy fleet

[sharp socket]

i hear tash is good now and i have her 125 aug

[crimson glacier]

theres pretty massive difference between d30 and d29.5

[storm heron]

also do they just delete your bluestacks data if you don't update?

[atomic abyss]

1 full gun mount

[sharp socket]

[crimson glacier]

also upgraded aoa is behind 30 and tech

[frank pulsar]

ply worked for me even at dev22, its not gonna make his boss sink

[crimson glacier]

im just saying

[sharp socket]

alright ill try tash there

and then plygun goes somewhere, maybe mob bb

[frank pulsar]

i used shimanto kawa otto before and that worked for clearing

[cobalt rapids]

U used shimanto in w14

[atomic abyss]

so did i

[sharp socket]

i dont have those but i have takao 125 aug

[cobalt rapids]

Relink ur dock in the thread if u want sensible substitutions coz ppl cant crystalball what u have

[sharp socket]

anti heavy mayhaps somewhere in my dock

[cobalt rapids]

Replace ty with kazagumo

[sharp socket]

so who do i build next
i have roon, saint louis, fdg, gascogne, cheshire, drake, all of pr4, ply, brest, harbin and shimanto
nakhimov next? or ignore building shipyard

[reef flume]

Kearsarge tbh

[cobalt rapids]

The one closest to d30 or a coinable ship if u arent coining anything rn

[sharp socket]

i am coining drake only right now

[cobalt rapids]

Then a coinable gold that gives good tech

[sharp socket]

which of the remaining give good tech

i have gascogne which is like the goodest tech

[cobalt rapids]

Champy is hit the other are fp iirc

Shes 1 fp on collect and 2 hit on 120 stonks

[sharp socket]

good tech then alr

[cobalt rapids]

Yellow allows u to move non enemy nodes
Red is an airstrike just like oscar skill but AoE
And you get both on map entry

/wiki chapter 15 notes

[odd root]

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[atomic abyss]

/wiki user:suchiguma/Chapter

[odd root]

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[atomic abyss]

wasnt it in his page

[sharp socket]

why sextuple not good btw

[honest stirrup]

I ended up figuring out in the normal wiki, thanks

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chapter_15#Notes

[cobalt rapids]

Low range to catch sparse planes use roombas or twin 134

[sharp socket]

also is using cats with serenity good cause asw and aa

[cobalt rapids]

Better than nothing but low talent value

[undone plover]

Single line is also not a fun time in ch 15
Change your formation

[cobalt rapids]

Camping talents are flame>mountain>destiny>soul>backline hull rld/off stat

[sharp socket]

ply does work

[forest palm]

she she should

[sharp socket]

do you think i can swap depth charge off tai yuan or leave it as it is

[cobalt rapids]

Yes u have 2 hedgehogs with eldr

[forest palm]

if you're killing enemy subs at a good rate may as well

[forest palm]

[left cedar]

[grizzled sundial]

Is the J-crown in the core shop good ?

[cobalt rapids]

Only for j class

[forest palm]

if you plan to use Janus, Javelin, or Jervis

[hollow gust]

That's like 4/6 URs , that better work

[forest palm]

can throw all the URs at something, but if the gear is bad it ain't fixing the problem

[timid solar]

Guys what's the priority for UR gear lab gear after wyvern, prototype plane and the 2 bb guns?

[cobalt rapids]

for electric components ull want 2-3 wyverns = 2 junkers > 2 ryuusei in depot if you didnt already get em > 1-3 flaps > 1-2 457 in depot ( 1 can be from protocores )
UR selectors should first be spent on 2-3 wyverns > 1-2 mk 7 > 1-2 100kais
UR test reports is 1-2 457 in depot > w.e
gold test reports is 1-3 flaps >= ~2 155kai > 1-2 457 in depot > rest
the other u can check pic from /gearlab top bottom prio coz mats are more abundant/not high prios and/or non conflicting

[timid solar]

I already have all the must haves, what should I spend my UR prints next?

[forest palm]

saving is always an option

[timid solar]

Ah

new gear coming up soon?