gameplay-help

[glass basin]

Oh... does it do more dmg in exchange?

[deft wraith]

Is there any way I could get more Retrofit Blueprint thing.?

[tame jungle]

Just keep doing your daily hard mode

[glass basin]

Welp, should be ok as long as I time my avp

[deft wraith]

Oh alright and I just need more few of them for retrofiting my Other Ships.

[frank pulsar]

its the longest cd out of the 4, and also the highest dmg out of the 4
just use whichever fit yr timing best cuz the dmg difference amongst them arent significant

[glass basin]

Sounds good guess I can use it to slow down
Else my avp can't keep up unless using trash messer

[sweet delta]

avp is relatively fast

[glass basin]

so basically if I put avp in ijn cv team I need her to go second

After Shinano

[rapid grail]

either Shinano or Haku
but if you look at it, Haku has less TBs than Shinano has by 1
Haku -> AvP -> Shinano

[glass basin]

I see... if I'm using amagi instead does she go first or third

[sweet delta]

amagi is naturally fast so first may be easier, but do whatever gives good sync

[rapid grail]

[hot flare]

whats the best fleet comp for ironbottom maritime defense

with shinano and haku

[soft raft]

Is that like a daily raid or a guild mission

If it's a guild mission, just auto-select and not give a shit

[hot flare]

the final boss

[soft raft]

If it's compiler, it's heavy armor

So your typical OpSi anti-heavy comps, but dunno if you have the ships to do that or not

[hot flare]

hmm i think i can try making an anti-heavy fleet, though idk if i have the anti-heavy BB guns to do that

[dry compass]

Having trouble with 12-4, suggestions for boss fleet?

Running fdg, ark royal, Bismarck 2
Duca, Helena, Scylla rn

[weary gust]

Your gear must be atrocious if you're struggling with those ships at those levels. Let's look at that first

[dry compass]

😭

[little tree]

Fdg isn't mlb for starters / Dev 30

[dry compass]

working on it fr but gold is tight so I'm just doing the daily discounted thingies

[little tree]

10 a day ?

[dry compass]

I go till 30% off idk

[plain saffron]

10 is good place to stop for DR

15 is expensive, do if you can afford

[little tree]

A mlb purple will do more dmg then a non mlb dr

[dry compass]

oh I see I just went off total stats lol 💀

[little tree]

You also have a lot of non +10 gear and gear in general is your research set to pr 4 focus can you get champy guns from proto

[dry compass]

ok I'll work on getting plates!

[dry compass]

what are champy guns 😓

[frank pulsar]

french triple 406mm mle

[inner delta]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)

[frank pulsar]

from pr3, you can get it from gearlab and protocre as well

[dry compass]

ah I see thanks

[drifting dew]

Is she worth to get sparkling mic??

[copper ermine]

Is shimakaze good? I like the ship and have enough exchange points but want to make sure it's not a mistake.

[elfin hollow]

is it viable to want to only use IJN planes for my IJN carriers, or is it just significantly worse?

[wind hazel]

if your shinano isn't mlb, then take shinano until she is mlb before thinking of other UR

[barren tapir]

if you dont have shinano maxed get shinano if you care abt meta. shima is good but way less impactful than shinano (or even nj/uvh) would be

[wind hazel]

it's bad

[elfin hollow]

wait really i thought shimakaze was one of the best in the game

[inner delta]

ijn kinda dont have any good fighter, torpedo still viable and their bom suck

[elfin hollow]

dang that sucks.. thanks

[sweet delta]

only with manual and only when max limit broken

[mint flint]

URs are the best ships in the game, but among those URs shimakaze is pretty low

[sweet delta]

on auto, Shimakaze is outclassed by basically every new rainbow vanguard ship with any slightly overlapping role

[barren tapir]

shes really good but we have so many urs (and a bunch of very strong DDs) that her competition makes her much less inherently valuable to get imo

with that said if u really like shima u can get her (it is waifu game) it just wont be an optimal use of the UR counter

[elfin hollow]

i see. thank you guys

[elfin hollow]

i already have her and use her cause i only have IJN in my fleet

[wanton dawn]

when do u guys think is a gd idea to expand the dock? im at 170 without using gems

[wind hazel]

it's always a good time to expand dock

[wanton dawn]

hm then how much shld i expand it?

[barren tapir]

whenever u have the gems for it and need more space

[wind hazel]

after having at least 3+3 dorm slot, invest every gem into dockspace

[barren tapir]

dock is a personal thing although it's highly recommended since most people want to collect many ships

you will need like 800 dock space total to collect every ship and keep them + room to grind maps

[wanton dawn]

so i shld get second floor before unlocking the whole 6 slots?

[elfin hollow]

keep in mind you can also upgrade your dock size through guild upgrades

[mint flint]

get the 3rd slot on the first floor and second floor

[sweet delta]

if your first floor has 3 slots, then the second floor unlocks 3 more for a total of 6

[mint flint]

dont unlock all 6 slots

[wanton dawn]

hm ic... well if it is a collection thing then i wld prefer getting skins? and i think having ard 15 extra slots is pretty sufficient for grinding maps imo

[elfin hollow]

so if you wanna expand a little before using gems you can try that out

[wanton dawn]

is 170 the max?

[wind hazel]

15 extra... is very very little

[mint flint]

thats tiny

[barren tapir]

oh sweet summer child...it really isn't if you intend to play the game at more than an extremely casual level (even event grinding is gonna be hell on that few extra slots) but you're free to make your choices

[wind hazel]

im not even sure if that's enough for 3x sortie with HELP lol

[barren tapir]

180 is the max without spending gems

[barren tapir]

if you are free to play forget about any dorm bigger than 3 slot + 2nd floor

[mint flint]

if you get to endgame you're going to be grinding tech, and you'll need ships to grind with

[wanton dawn]

i alr unlocked all 6 slots before the second floor😭

[mint flint]

12 slots is a waste

[barren tapir]

assuming you care about collection of course* if it's not as high a concern you could get 4 + 2nd and do okay. i would skip on 5 and 6 tho..

[wind hazel]

nothing 💳 can't fix

[barren tapir]

there is always gem comm cope

[mint flint]

im yet to get a single gem from comms

[wanton dawn]

wdym by 4 and 2nd

[mint flint]

4th slot and 2nd floor

[barren tapir]

4 slot and 2nd floor in dorm is the max any f2p shud get and thats only if collection is not so important to them

[elfin hollow]

remember when i accidentally used my gems on a third tactical training slot

[wanton dawn]

icic

[mint flint]

3rd slot is enough really, since thats enough for a full fleet

[wanton dawn]

damn thats sad

[barren tapir]

the benefit of 4+2 is you get a full fleet but also 2 slots for levelling girls by dorm)

but if you want as many ships as possible skip that and stick to 3+2

[wanton dawn]

icic

but i think um having 170 rn im still able to keep all the ssrs and selectively throw away the srs that i dont rly like

[barren tapir]

you must pray to for good luck, nothing a little headpatting can't fix

[mint flint]

personally as a collector i could never, and again, if/when you get to endgame you're going to be grinding tech which means you'll need a lot of ships to grind with

[coarse heron]

I mean, you're about 40k gold late on asking that.

[mint flint]

also pr ships alone will take up a good chunk of space

[wanton dawn]

icic... so ard how much shld i expand?

[barren tapir]

well just keep in mind it'll be a very difficult thing to fix if you ever change your mind re: collection. plus there are a lot of shipgirls who end up growing on you even if you dont initially like them...trust me lol

[mint flint]

if you intend to follow the meta to do hard content you'll also need a lot of space for all those ships

[wanton dawn]

thats fair

[wind hazel]

if you're casual ~300 is a good amount

[barren tapir]

nelson and fancy come to mind as my own examples

[wanton dawn]

icic that's like 2000 gems:0

[wind hazel]

just buy gem, support the game

[barren tapir]

you get 4700 guaranteed free gems in total (tho 750 of those will be quite difficult to acquire)

[mint flint]

i like having 100 free dockspace since it means i can just 3x run then walk off for like 40 minutes and come back

[wanton dawn]

ig it's time to swipe again lol

[wanton dawn]

from experience, 15 free space is sufficient for 3x lol

[mint flint]

yeah but then you need to go and retire + enhance ships every time

[wanton dawn]

yea it is quite annoying ngl

[mint flint]

and if you get any new ships you need to decide whether to delete or keep

[left cedar]

naaaah, meta ships are a few bunch with 300 dock space u can have quite a margin to keep few waifus

[barren tapir]

sufficient does not necessarily mean comfy

[wanton dawn]

and i have no space for any purin lol

[mint flint]

plus bulins will fill up space and you'll need to spend those

more dockspace means more brain switch off and then you can do it all at once which is faster

[wanton dawn]

ive thrown away a few blue and white ships that i wld have maybe kept so yea ig it rly is time to expand lol

[barren tapir]

i think 350-400 is a gud number for picky waifu collector, u got enuf for metas, enuf for keeping a couple dozen fleet techs at a time, plenty of room for bulins, waifus, and free slots to grind with

[mint flint]

i mean once you get dorm upgrades the only thing to really spend gems on are dock space and skins

[barren tapir]

and expand it by 10-20 per year to accommodate new PRs and URs you shud be good to go

[wanton dawn]

icic

so my dorm is 6+0 now, shld i invest in the second floor?

[mint flint]

i normally just go all in on dock space whenever i have free gems

[plain saffron]

i prefer dorm > skins

[mint flint]

still hurts that one time i didnt and accidentally bought oil

[barren tapir]

imagine skin when each skin is 35 waifus at least

even if u make a quality vs quantity argument 35 is a lot

[left cedar]

i got 340 dock space, and 23 oaths in 4y of game with a gran total of under 100$ spend ...

[wanton dawn]

?! wdym

[barren tapir]

700 gems = 35 dock slots cheapest skins nowadays start around 700

[mint flint]

23 oaths damn

[wanton dawn]

right thats fair

[wanton dawn]

?

[barren tapir]

curious how many oaths were free from manjuu generosity vs paid for? if you kept track

[wanton dawn]

well ig so right since u guys think that dorm is prob the most important?

[mint flint]

i mean with 6 slots already you dont really need a 2nd floor anymore

[wanton dawn]

right

[left cedar]

4y of gamming, 4 free rings, and iirc plus 3 also free, but special ocassions
so around 7 free, others are buyed from gemm comms or gem from maint ... or rewards of alot of things

[mint flint]

though the 2nd floor does have marginally faster mood gain i dont think it really matters

[wanton dawn]

ohh didnt know that

[barren tapir]

on the one hand 2nd floor is more valuable the more slots you unlocked but also 6 is enough generally speaking and you alr used a ton of gems for it. tho if you plan to spend $$ getting the 2nd dorm floor is a good idea

[mint flint]

40 vs 50

[coarse heron]

2nd floor is an extra 10 morale per hour in exchange for no XP gained

[barren tapir]

neat, thanks!

[wanton dawn]

is it cheaper to unlock the second floor than to unlock all slots on first floor?

[mint flint]

yes

[barren tapir]

it's 500 gems

[coarse heron]

a lot cheaper

[mint flint]

thats why its recommended

[wanton dawn]

oh second floor gives u three slots already?

[barren tapir]

equivalent to the price of the 4th slot

[mint flint]

mirrors first floor slots

[coarse heron]

2nd floor gives you however many slots you have on 1st floor

[barren tapir]

so you see why we suggest 3 slot + 2nd floor, because its 6 slot but costs the same gems as 4 slot + no 2nd floor

[wanton dawn]

ohhhhhhh....

damn....ic haha so i wld get 12 slots if i unlock second floor

[mint flint]

yeah and its not really neccessary to have that many slots

[left cedar]

nowadays i got 4 slots and 2nd floor, cuz someimes i need 1:1 fleet cuz some events like last tempest, and too lazy to swap my full farm fleet

[coarse heron]

2nd floor also gives 20 comfort boost

[mint flint]

i got 4th slot for sub exp

[wanton dawn]

icic ty guys

there arent any bundles for dock slots right, it is just 200 gems per 10 slots?

[barren tapir]

yeah 200 gems for 10 slots

[wanton dawn]

but the second dorm slot doesnt give any xp?

[mint flint]

second floor*

[wanton dawn]

ah yea mb

[atomic abyss]

Yeah it doesn't
You get faster morale regen instead

[wanton dawn]

icic thanks

how many free slots do u guys usually keep around for farming?

[coarse heron]

like 120

but I got 700ish dock space so

[wanton dawn]

damn icic:0 ty

[mint flint]

yeah i have like 90ish free dockspace depending on how many bulins i have

[wanton dawn]

if i can only have the 20 extra dock space from the guild, is it coz the guild isnt strong enough?

[mint flint]

guild hasnt done enough research

also they might not be focusing on dorm space and that might be public guild limit

[wanton dawn]

ic, so is shld find a better guild right

[coarse heron]

I'd only leave a guild if they couldn't do the 2 guild raids per month

[wanton dawn]

how do i check that

[mint flint]

if they're researching dock space they'll get there eventually

just sit in the guild and see if they do them

[wanton dawn]

im p sure they do do them so shld be alright

[coarse heron]

the "hard" one only realistically needs about 8 people to finish 2 per month. More than that just makes it faster

[sweet delta]

What about the Coming Soon operation that's been there for 4 years?

[slow fox]

It's Coming Soon.

[trim bloom]

Which rainbow weapon in the weapon lab should I get first? I only have a georgia gun, nj gun, tenrai, shimakaze torp

[atomic abyss]

Wyvern
Under royal navy torp bomber

[unkempt mortar]

is it worth trying to get wifesashi if i alr have alsace vanguard uvh fdg and nj

[frank pulsar]

yes, musashi is still best bb for campaign

[crimson glacier]

well musashi is still the best BB in the game for campaign

and only alsace is any competition from those to her anyway

fdg NJ and uvh are just nothing compared to musashi

[unkempt mortar]

4 more days and my 196 coobs will suffer then

[frank pulsar]

theres like 44(?) free pulls to supplement that

[coarse heron]

Cube Apocalypse coming soon to a port near you

[crystal vortex]

Is this useful if mounted on agir?

[coarse heron]

It's not useful on anyone, because better auxes exist

[crystal vortex]

Ohh

[atomic abyss]

you usually only use defensive auxes for frontliners

[unkempt mortar]

is the funny 1500 cores torpedo good for anybody

[frank pulsar]

its good offensive aug for vanguard dps, but youll almost always want defensive auxes over offensive auxes

[atomic abyss]

it can be, but seldom worth for the same reason

[soft dagger]

its niche, low prio, same with fumo

[coarse heron]

Submarines

[tame jungle]

Eh i’d rather run hull+snorkel

[coarse heron]

that makes it lowest priority in the shop out of the stuff worth buying

[coarse heron]

there's a couple submarines that actually use the torpedo

[frank pulsar]

some sub setups use oxytorp, its good on torp dps when you dont need defensive aux
so basically just get some when you have nothing better to get ig

[coarse heron]

U-101 has built-in hull so she doesn't need the hull

I know there's one sub (don't remember which) that doesn't use snorkel because of reload breakpoints

or at least used to

also a couple vanguards might use it if you're trying to maximise DPS for some reason
either way it's super niche

[hollow gust]

Oxytorp unzen

Been used for the past 2 metas

[rare wyvern]

When you use the double xp/double cost books on cleared zones, does it cost double the capped oil cost due to the book, or just the capped oil cost whether the cost is doubled or not ?

[crimson glacier]

it doubles all downsides

[rare wyvern]

Fair enough, now I ran out of books anyway

[eternal basalt]

2x oil cap if >oil cap

[fluid umbra]

What should my first UR from the gear lab be

[atomic abyss]

wyvern
HMS torp bomber

[wanton willow]

How many cubes i need to have to guarantee musashi?
currently got only 135 but i have returnee event avaibale so i will be able to get to 200 on 14th november

[crimson glacier]

i think its around 320 or something

[barren tapir]

312 iirc

[little geyser]

How much oil is needed for musashis event?

[crimson glacier]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little geyser]

Sorry if it's a dumb question

[crimson glacier]

its similar event to all others

[cobalt trellis]

The more the better

[little geyser]

Alright thank you

[cobalt trellis]

I'm gonna probably skip it I already have musashi

[cobalt trellis]

You're welcome

[little geyser]

It's just the only other event like this that I have tried is the guam one and I remember needing a lot

[cobalt trellis]

I mean I'm always above the soft cap of oil so yeh

[little geyser]

Same I'm on 25k atm

[wind hazel]

depends on how much you want to grind but 25k is way overkill

[cobalt trellis]

Ho I mean that largely enough

[little geyser]

Alright good to know thank you ☺️

[cobalt trellis]

I like to have 25k because I can play basically forever with my main (until mood)

[still nest]

I need 3 mk7 right?

[little geyser]

I also have 10k in the Vault thing

[wind hazel]

sounds like a total waste of oil if you ask me

[cobalt trellis]

I rather too much than not enough but can see why

[tame jungle]

Use your oil

[cobalt trellis]

For what ?

[cobalt trellis]

No

[tame jungle]

2 is alright

[wind hazel]

not being able to retrieve your canteen oil means you are getting losses on daily basis, where those oil can be used to level ships and earn you coin.

[little geyser]

Only reason I have this much is because I just got back from like half a years brake from the game

[tame jungle]

Ok then use it

[little geyser]

I am xd

[tame jungle]

Doesn’t change my advice in the slightest

[cobalt trellis]

Do you have new Jersey?

[spring bolt]

canteen oil regen is 2304 each day, which is a lot

[little geyser]

Yeah

[tame jungle]

With daily comms you’ll probably be closer to 4k daily

[cobalt trellis]

Use her for mob and boss she's really good

[tame jungle]

That’s a LOT of oil to miss out on

[wind hazel]

what is this, 2021?

[tame jungle]

No off topic gifs

[little geyser]

I am but thank you 🙏

[cobalt trellis]

K

I haven't been taking oil from the canteen for years dear god how much I wasted of oil XD (I'm using the oil from daylies and such)

[storm heron]

sounds like lv 100 1lb nj

[cobalt trellis]

125*

[atomic abyss]

even fdg beats NJ on mob

yeah ignore the NJ then

no mlb = 🚮

[cobalt trellis]

Dear god

[atomic abyss]

im saying no mlb is trash
not no mlb is scrap

[storm heron]

and that's why you ask what they have before giving advice

[cobalt trellis]

Fair XD

[jovial cedar]

Is there a stage most people farm for the shipyard girls?

[atomic abyss]

12-1 or 12-4

12-1 if you want better oil to exp ratio while still being able to use shit ships

12-4 if you want both exp and coins while still being able to use shit ships

[jovial cedar]

thank you

[spring bolt]

using 12-1 as farming stage, estimates are 14.5k coins, 552k exp, 9.2 cog chips each day plus some white/blue/purple plates if you care
not including commissions

[cobalt trellis]

Jesus

[spring bolt]

or 46 currys

[cobalt trellis]

How do you do the ---- on text ?

[atomic abyss]

~~text~~

[cobalt trellis]

meanwhile me with 9k + curry

[cobalt trellis]

Thx

[spring bolt]

||btw, what he did is ` at beginning and end of the text||

[cobalt trellis]

Thx

[mint flint]

not enough people realise you can just ~~do this~~

with \

[cobalt trellis]

\huh\

[vale spindle]

i subconsciously edit my nimi command messages with \ after they run so i don't accidentally run them twice

[barren tapir]

840960 oil per year~

[cobalt trellis]

I have been playing since 2019

[barren tapir]

well canteen didnt always have level 12 iirc but yeah that is a lot of oil

[cobalt trellis]

As of rn its level 9

But thx for the math

[fiery pelican]

Hi guys, who should I MLB?

[tame jungle]

musashi

[fiery pelican]

I don't even have her lmao

[tame jungle]

you're in luck, she's coming this week

[fiery pelican]

what

[tame jungle]

rerun

[fiery pelican]

hahaha, nice, make it perfect

i have her in other account, can't wait to see the across the map blade slash

[viral flicker]

Musashi banner when

[viral flicker]

Fellow alt user

[keen mural]

There is also one Ur bulin as reward on Musashi event milestones right?

[wild oyster]

Mogador

[soft raft]

Yup
At 15k event pts milestone for reruns instead of the usual 30k

[rapid grail]

musashi when she drops, vanguard next, then laffey II, shima or kronshtadt last
which UR is last depends on your goals: for pve it'll be shima; for pvp it'd be kronshtadt
if you have any UR retrofit stuff lying around, go do them. Sandy, Eldridge and Yuudachi retrofits are all really good at what they do.

[soft raft]

huh Kron for PvP?
Lol
lmao even

I do agree with the order, but the reasoning is kinda wack to me

[rapid grail]

kronshtadt -> shima if pve focus
shima -> kronshtadt if pvp

[keen mural]

Awesome so I should have enough to MLB her

[main lily]

Is there like a perfect 14-4 solo fleet assuming that i have everything?
Mines not in safe mode yet tho so i think its best to go mob fleet + boss

[crimson glacier]

why would you ever want to do solo

[main lily]

I dont need a solo fleet, just prefer it
I want to sink my oil asap while also grinding for ship drop

[wanton dawn]

i think coda shop does not support azur lane right? are there other similar websites like coda shop for azur lane? thanks

[cobalt rapids]

wdym by solo fleet? as in one fleet ?

[rapid grail]

used to use codashop PH, it works

[rapid grail]

Soyuz is pretty good, her barrage hits a large part of the enemy area if it manages to land
Musashi is good for full lethal clearing in general but the concealment mechanic is quite likely to screw her lightning barrages, which are targeted

atm I'd recommend a Soyuz - Volga - Unikai backline, which is also enough to bruteforce full lethal clears. I've done the same with Chkalov instead of Volga for perma option

[wanton dawn]

tyty

[storm heron]

Is there like a perfect 14-4 solo fleet assuming that i have everything
well don't grind 14-4, 12-4 is better because much more exp efficient

cause assuming you have everything

[storm heron]

.

[cobalt rapids]

NO doesnt drop in 12-4

[storm heron]

sounds like they have NO already though

[gilded carbon]

i wonder, in many Gacha-games its common and very popular to get the old enemies as units for our own. Is there a way for that here, too?

[storm heron]

they have everything

[cobalt rapids]

they said grinding for ship drop

[gilded carbon]

||given Naraka had us work (kinda) with a Siren||

[storm heron]

wait really? I kinda missed the part

[cobalt rapids]

kinda ? meta showdown u fight the enemy and then u get em as your own
many other ships are also present as enemies but yea
but no sirens and stuff

[storm heron]

oh lol

EN moment

well anyways oil cap for 14-4 is 47 and 62
with that you can make like max 1-3 formation rainbows (?)

[cobalt rapids]

whut

[storm heron]

okay yknow what Imma just stop since I don't understand what they are trying to do at all

[main lily]

What planes do i slap on my ships
And vanguard gears for that matter. I forgot what goes on in ch14

[gilded knot]

Should I continue with factions or just make a mixed team?

[cobalt rapids]

faction fleets are always suhoptimal

[gilded knot]

Any guidelines on making a mixed team?

[cobalt rapids]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding

[gilded knot]

Ok thanks will check it out

[turbid shell]

which Torp. Bomber would be good to fulfill Independence skill?

[cobalt rapids]

wyvern and ignore her condition

[turbid shell]

ah ok, also F6F Hellcat fighter is still ok for her?

oh flapjack is eagle union too

[cobalt rapids]

yea ok on any1

[glossy raptor]

Best stage for coin farm?

Help, pls

[whole crypt]

12-4 or 13-4

[cobalt rapids]

this could one fleet 14-4 without ammo and subless on lethal depending on ur acc

[glossy raptor]

What about 14-4?

[undone siren]

Pretty sure it has better coin/oil and coin/hour, but you can't level ships in 14-4 like you can 11-4/12-1/12-4/13-4

[atomic abyss]

It's more oil efficient yeah
But what's the point when you're forced to use the same few level 120-125 ships?

Never make it such that you're just working towards a singular goal
Always make it such that you have multiple goals to achieve and kill as many birds with 1 stone as possible
I.e you're trying to level up ships as well, or doing PR grinding

So hence it's better to drop down to w12 where you can use lower level ships

[glossy raptor]

Thanks!

[narrow ibex]

can you get blueprints for Agir with coin

[viscid swift]

not directly

[narrow ibex]

shiet

[upbeat wagon]

Kazagumo would be great with saratoga right?

[soft raft]

Currently Agir, all of PR5, all of PR6, and all of PR7 cannot be coined

[upbeat wagon]

What is kazagumo good for

[soft raft]

Kaza would yes
but she would get the most out of her buff in a fleet consisting of triple CV

Which mostly means OpSi/META fights more than campaign

[upbeat wagon]

Damn, wont be using her until long than

[undone plover]

Does eldridge double ehp effectively?
Using mebot’s hp sheet for example
Would double her ehp to >100% of portland’s?

[cobalt rapids]

60%

[undone plover]

So is that a yes ?

[cobalt rapids]

160%s ur vang ehp

[undone plover]

Oh

Wait why is that

[cobalt rapids]

operation rainbow

[undone plover]

No I meant why is it not double

[cobalt rapids]

smth smth uptime per battle timer
ping mebot

[undone plover]

Well it starts off cooldown tho
So uptime would be >50% of the battle

[cobalt rapids]

but it needs to proc

[dusk maple]

10s long with 20s cooldown in between, that's not >50%

[undone plover]

It is not in between tho is it?
It is effectively 10 on 10 off no?

[viscid swift]

not really

remember the buff doesn't proc on cooldown, there's some RNG to it

and damage won't be evenly distributed

[undone plover]

Wouldnt it proc faster and dmg be more evenly distributed in high intensity maps?

[viscid swift]

it would proc faster/more consistently but you still wouldn't be able to guarantee it proccing on cooldown

there's still also burst damage to beared in mind even in high intensity maps

[crisp estuary]

Been away for a bit. Months i think. Any UR I missed? Any t0 ships?

[tame jungle]

alsace amagicv

depends on how many months you missed

[crisp estuary]

Ah, then I did not miss any UR

[undone plover]

But those things affect normal ehp as well

In that sense it could be even more than 200% ehp boost IF it times well to those burts
I am just not sure why we are considering the worst case scenario for her buff

[crisp estuary]

Hopefully I did not miss a game changing healer

[viscid swift]

it does but when you're talking about such a powerful but rng buff that is at best gonna have 50% uptime the affecs are going to amplified

I don't know what exactly mebot uses for his calcs truth be told, but he takes an average rather than a high or low, I'm just playing devil's advocate with ways it's not 200%

[cobalt rapids]

@undone plover reasonings and maffs start here

[undone plover]

How can she have 30 in 77 uptime

Well I guess it is very rng and hard to calc but yeah saying 200% always is wrong I agree

Would putting her main tank increase her proc chance?

[cobalt rapids]

i mean its 15% chance and she herself has 291 eva

[undone plover]

So this means i should reduce her evasion

[crude fable]

Is this one good?

[cobalt rapids]

best defensive aux for cruisers

[tame jungle]

reducing eld eva would probably also lead to her eating more shit during her downtime so it's a bit of a double edged sword

[undone plover]

I guess it also depends on when the fights end
Sushi’s 30 in 77 is probably the worst case scenario
Normal campaign mob/boss u are more likely to finish somewhere making the uptime ratio better i think

[crude fable]

Oh tysm

[cobalt rapids]

i think ure rating her proc rate too high
im using her in 15-1 as maintank and sometimes theres more than 10s that pass and she still hasnt procced

[undone plover]

~~Maybe your eldridge stopped working
Have you tried turning her off and on again? ~~

Anyway thanks for the perspective, I am rating her eva rate too high u are right

[cobalt rapids]

@undone plover this didnt take long to reproduce

[frank pulsar]

napoli usable at dev25?

[cobalt rapids]

not for u

[undone plover]

That is the first proc?

[frank pulsar]

wdym

[cobalt rapids]

i mean u have better options

but yes she usable ig

[frank pulsar]

fair, im prob gonna throw her in opsi cv fleet or smth and forget anyway

napoli dmg is better or worse than agir? when both at dev30

[undone plover]

Now the question is how eldridge buff works with heals neko
Cuz if heals alone are enough to bridge the downtime then we might be cooking here

[viscid swift]

pretty much the same

[frank pulsar]

i guess shes benched forever then

[cobalt rapids]

what are u cooking

[boreal wagon]

the kitchen itself

[cobalt rapids]

she can main tank alot of content jsut fine and she can main tank all content where ure running a healer like campaign mobbing

[inland shoal]

Napoli is sth you take out when you need extreme tank

[frank pulsar]

i just realised napoli has a smoke, is it better or worse than ancho

[cobalt rapids]

its better coz shes constantly dropping it

[weary gust]

Till agir fs5 drops

[boreal wagon]

the exhaust one only affects herself tho

[viscid swift]

full throttle smoke for the win

[frank pulsar]

i was talking about benching napoli not agir

napoli extra bulk is not worth agir ab imho

[cobalt rapids]

oh yea but the regular smoke is like 1% boost to vang ehp so it doesnt matter

[frank pulsar]

but the skill desc says its for the whole vanguard
so which is it

[boreal wagon]

it does for the first smoke screen, the second one described as "exhaust" is only for napoli (and it also says so)

[frank pulsar]

ah okay i en

[viscid swift]

exhaust means it keeps up with her movement even at full speed

[boreal wagon]

i wasnt describing what exhaust means tho, just that the one described as that is only for her

[viscid swift]

I know, just clarifying for anyone who might not be familiar with why it's being described as exhaust

[fallen verge]

the escort fleet isnt respawning, how am i meant to get the second star?

[undone siren]

Turn off clearing mode

[fallen verge]

ohh

ty

[drifting dew]

Is there guide to know what should I buy from each shop?

[cobalt rapids]

/guide sams shop prios

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[drifting dew]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List by Rice#7016 & Slime#2203
🔹'Samvaluation' event ships' evaluations by samheart564#4031
🔹CN tier list by NGA

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[faint jacinth]

hello, how many wyvern i need to craft?

[soft raft]

#bot-spam for personal use of bot commands for future reference btw

[soft raft]

at most like 2-3

[drifting dew]

@soft raft thanks

[faint jacinth]

oh ty

[crude loom]

Trying to build a fleet for W13, but my current attempt isn't going particularly well...any suggestions?

[weary gust]

More AA

Post your ships/gear in a thread

[crude loom]

I can't post images in the thread...

[jaunty vault]

use a triple CV mob fleet, have unicorn in mob fleet, have atleast gold AA guns at +10 on all your ships, get sandy retrofit

you can post images in a thread, you need to create a thread first tho

[crude loom]

W13 Team

Oh, I just made a thread

[little tree]

What ur gun to work towards next

[eternal moth]

Do you have all the non-UR gear you need already?

[little tree]

I got 3 champy guns I'm not aware of anything else woth getting from proto

[eternal moth]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Priority.jpeg

[little tree]

I got all thoes but ur

[hollow gust]

Plygun

[eternal moth]

Yeah, you can get the BB gun from gear lab now, so I'd go for plygun/ quad 155

[viscid swift]

I would go the opposite tbh

yes you can get the 457 from the lab but it is very expensive

[indigo olive]

Help! Are any of these ships able to retrofit? And are any good?

[reef flume]

Independence

[frank pulsar]

/coredata check this

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[jaunty vault]

independence

[atomic abyss]

independence, who is one of the highest prio retros

[little tree]

Sounds good !!

[indigo olive]

😊 thank u!

[tame jungle]

was secondary healer recommended for w14?

[little tree]

yes

[hollow gust]

depends

[frank pulsar]

nah, never needed it

w15 was the only time a secondary healer felt necessary imho

[hollow gust]

fdg independence is still very popular for w14

[little tree]

isnt fdg one of the best mob BB ?

[tame jungle]

planning to tackle w14 after i get but i'll just play it safe and slap volga on the fleet

[hollow gust]

fdg is basically better in w14

[tame jungle]

oh is she

i can go try with her instead then

[cobalt rapids]

shes not but using the 2 best bb is overkill whichever u use

[stone sluice]

I would go for the 457.
He is gonna grind PR5 at some point therefore get plygun blueprints, but almost no one grind PR2 for 457 blueprints since they can coin all PR2 ships.

457 is good to push campaign.

[little tree]

Currently at the end of chapter 13 / start of w 14

[hollow gust]

they can just use champange gun anywhere they can use 457 ?

[sweet delta]

They can

But that's like saying they can just use mk6 anywhere they can use champ gun

[little tree]

if my champy guns are +13 +12 and +12 will a 457 still do more dmg

[sweet delta]

Depends on the situation but in campaign it's not about doing more damage, it's about doing damage at a good time

[little tree]

For W14/15

Whats better to use +13 champy or a +10 457

[elfin hollow]

How do you guys manage dock space? I have over 300 slots and I'm still near the cap constantly. Even with putting all my gems into dock space it's just never enough.

[tropic tusk]

i got 600 space

[hollow gust]

use all the free gems on dock space

[cobalt rapids]

time to swipe or retire what u dont need

[viscid swift]

Get more dock space

[sweet delta]

I have over 1400 and am still near the cap constantly. It's a mystery.

[tropic tusk]

how many of the same ship do u have

[elfin hollow]

aren't there less than 1k unique ships though

[jaunty vault]

learn to manage yours

[soft raft]

regularly purge common rarity shitters every now and then

[elfin hollow]

like 800 or so

[tropic tusk]

theres only 600 total ish

[soft raft]

people sometimes keep dupes to flex skins or in some extreme cases, Really really really really really really like a certain ship

[viscid swift]

there's def more than 600 if you count collabs

[tropic tusk]

oh its more then 600?

[soft raft]

yeah it's more in the ballpark of the 700s

[hollow gust]

im running 560 dock space

[elfin hollow]

i probably need to just keep clearing campaign for gems. i got stuck on 10-1 like a month ago and haven't had enough improvements to try again

[viscid swift]

I hover at about 700 usually after purging commons and about 30 of that is taken by dupes I keep and bullins

[weary gust]

I've got about 640 ships in dock (not counting bulins), don't have the older hololive/nep/kizuna collab ships.

[tropic tusk]

i dont have any of the older collab as im a new player

[elfin hollow]

it tells you the total amount in game. ived missed all collabs though. didnt start until earlier this year.

[sweet delta]

As long as you don't get stuck on 11-3, you're golden

[weary gust]

That count includes retrofits, so it's double counting.

[viscid swift]

it also doesn't count collabs

[elfin hollow]

Ohhh I didn't know.

[weary gust]

16x6+2 is the number of retros, 9x6+3 is the number of collabs

[sweet delta]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships

[weary gust]

So 777 - 16x6+2 + 9x6+3 = total number of unique ships.

[sweet delta]

Aad

[tropic tusk]

so now ship count is 777 include collab?

[weary gust]

That number doesn't include collab

[little tree]

~~ how ~~

[weary gust]

fleet power p2w

[boreal wagon]

its 736 only counting ships in EN and 744 otherwise

[elfin hollow]

why are EN and CN missing ships

[weary gust]

collabs that happened before the servers in those regions launched, probably.

[boreal wagon]

CN has 2 extra ships from bili collab and CN+JP another 6 extra from Utawarerumono collab, both of which EN never got

[elfin hollow]

I've read on the wiki the CN just doesn't have some regular ships for some reason (censorship?)

[boreal wagon]

they have them, they might not necessarily still be available in some cases

[nova crane]

should i save cubes for the upcoming UR ship

[eternal basalt]

"As of Aad, 11/10/2024, there is a total of 603 regular ships, 98 of which can be retrofitted. There are 37 research ships, 65 collab. ships, and 39 META ships. Together, these make up a total of 744 obtainable ships in the game."
Pretty clear, except the aad stuff

[stark quiver]

Yes, the rerun also gives you 40~ free build tickets

[forest palm]

44

[nova crane]

niceeee

[gusty steeple]

how many hours approx does it take yall to get kaga?

[viscid swift]

more than 0

[gusty steeple]

no duh

[viscid swift]

in all seriousness I didn't keep track and it's not a particularly good metric anyway

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur luck

[gusty steeple]

I have logged 43 attempts so far on the foxfarm

[viscid swift]

43 is not a lot in the grand scheme of things

[atomic abyss]

/droprate

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[gusty steeple]

yeah, ik

[atomic abyss]

consider thats their drop rate well, believe what you want to believe

[forest palm]

trying to remember when I got Akaga past it being 2018

[gusty steeple]

It is supposedly like 125 times on the foxfarm per one fox

averaging

[forest palm]

that sounds highly erroneous

[viscid swift]

one that's their drop rate
2, rng is rng

[gusty steeple]

alr

[viscid swift]

anyway, forget about how many runs or hours it takes, it won't do you any good

if you can't event farm them efficiently just wait until you can

[forest palm]

foxes were the only thing to farm 6 years ago

[gusty steeple]

ah

[forest palm]

that said it's 50/50 you either get'em or don't

[sweet delta]

3 oil fleet or bust

[gusty steeple]

well, based off the odds, its more like you won't get em

Anyway, how do I get rid of oil?

[sweet delta]

Farm chapter 12+

[forest palm]

there's no real data, or evidence, no one does enough empirical testing in this game to give any thing that is near 90% accuracy

[viscid swift]

except for Akagi and Kaga because the devs just told us

[eternal basalt]

D3 once Musashi

[velvet slate]

this is flat out false, there's quite a few people who do pretty indepth testing.

Furthermore a lot of data is mined and the kaga and akagi drop rates are known

[fallen verge]

are any of my super rares worth limit breaking? pretty broke on golden bulins

[velvet slate]

to claim is accurate to think of it as a 50/50 when the odds to get one of them is lower than 1% is extremely misleading

[viscid swift]

first off, drop rates can't be mined as they're server side

the only reason we know any drop rates is because the devs flat out tell us, as with Akagi and Kaga

[sweet delta]

limit break tashkent and probably drop jean bart and houshou meta

[wary timber]

is the white Su-2 and VIT-2 good for anything

[sweet delta]

also where is Unicorn and Portland

[velvet slate]

i wasnt saying the drop rates being mined, but i can see why it came out that way. What i meant is that the rates are known and are lower than 1% and as a separate topic there's plenty of people who do indepth testing and additionally there's people mining data.

Regardless on how you try to nit pick my statement it doesnt' change that is factually wrong to think about kaga and akagi as a 50/50

[viscid swift]

seccond, Taz's comment was not on their actual drop rate by the boolean of getting them or not as a drop

you get them or you don't

[fallen verge]

no idea who unicorn is and is portland the blue unit?

[cobalt rapids]

su-2 - abit better than helldiver on light
vit-2 - for when u dont have rainbow parallels
vit-2 ( mode change ) - gold conv timing sidegrade

[sweet delta]

buy Unicorn from guild shop

[viscid swift]

3rd, if you back read we already made it quite clear to them what their actual drop rate was to the person who asked

[velvet slate]

which is an absolutely ridicolous aproach and for the lack of a better word borderline stupid. You dont go into a 1% odds with the mindset of "iT's 50/50 BrUh" lmao

[viscid swift]

that's not what I meant

[atomic abyss]

taz's comment was made in jest presumably

and yes, is inaccurate

[fallen verge]

is this the portland you were talking about?

[viscid swift]

we're not even talking about the actual drop rate

[atomic abyss]

it's a a fallacy

[sweet delta]

yes and retrofit Unicorn as soon as possible

[wary timber]

so wait . VIT- vs breguet. which is better

[cobalt rapids]

breguette usually

[fallen verge]

any other lower rarity units worth building?

[sweet delta]

probably nobody you have right now, but don't retire ships unless they're easily reacquirable or known to be bad

[viscid swift]

yes, give that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[fallen verge]

ty

[eager mulch]

i don’t know anyone who’s done testing on drop rates

[viscid swift]

I don't know either and to be honest it's irrelevant anyway

[sweet delta]

i know cn overlords have done some questionable data collection

[weary gust]

There's no guarantee their drop rates are the same as ours, either.

[stark quiver]

usually its too low for me to care, i do it until i get the drop

[cobalt rapids]

some ppl just like to have a rough estimate

[viscid swift]

which is precisely why it doesn't matter, actually knowing the drop rate doesn't actually change anything, it's just copium on you'll get it in x runs

[wanton willow]

Should i use it on something or should i save it for events?

[viscid swift]

save it for when you're short on time

[vale spindle]

i save for events but also i have more than i use so up to you

[tame jungle]

use them when you don't have a lot of time to play but still want to get good grinding in

[eager mulch]

I’d like to have more amagi-chans instead

[reef flume]

Use them for grinding PR/DR ships and for when you're short on time

[weary gust]

I use them to dump oil fast when it's built up to near soft cap.

[viscid swift]

I use them when farming B1

[jaunty vault]

i use them

[eager mulch]

i don’t use them

[tame jungle]

I use them (sometimes)

[tame pivot]

How much better is the Twin 137mm than the Twin 128mm? From what I've seen the twin 128 is alot more versatile and can be used on tons of diff ships.. whereas the 137 not so much..

[reef flume]

Twin 137 have better interception iirc

[sweet delta]

137 is much better on BB/BC, and 137 can't be used on vanguard

[cobalt rapids]

very better at intercept but 128 skc can be used as on dd mg

[eager mulch]

[reef flume]

Why that gun on Vanguard

[atomic abyss]

questionable levels of reload tuning

[viscid swift]

smh so much oil

[cobalt rapids]

slacker

[eager mulch]

burnt out

[jaunty vault]

i bet i got more but i wouldn't know

[reef flume]

Ender could I text you for a moment in dm?

[atomic abyss]

sure

[wanton willow]

Should i farm someone from war archives? who should i focus on first?

[viscid swift]

only DC for IB tech, the rest is really just collection

[cobalt rapids]

farm divergent chessboard for kms tech if needed
jda for lategame campaign like 14/15

[soft osprey]

Just got Ark Royal. Is she worth retrofitting and using?

[atomic abyss]

decent stop gap for opsi CV fleets till you get august

[soft osprey]

well i already got august at lvl 110

[atomic abyss]

her retro is not high prio in comparison to indep and uni

you can prolly ignore her outside tech then

[soft osprey]

oh well, collection and future wife only

[wanton willow]

jda?
which one is this i can't see

[viscid swift]

Jeanne d'Arc

[cobalt rapids]

skybound oratorrio

[stark quiver]

is under 10s fire time for bbs possible

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[stark quiver]

nice thx

[viscid swift]

he is certainly cooking

[reef flume]

If I have three Champy guns is it worth to get three Flandre guns?

[cobalt rapids]

but if u dont have 3 champy guns at +13 i recc doing ur 3rd one a flandre gun at +13

[stark quiver]

time to mlb ulrich

[cobalt rapids]

theres others , but ull need faster gun

[forest palm]

460?

anyway, +13 as needed imo

[elfin hollow]

Is there any reason to have Kashino in a fleet

[forest palm]

nope

[sweet delta]

Level 1 kashino is sometimes decent for mid-high EX scores

[quartz breach]

Does Kearsage trigger the Big Mamie buff for Massachusetts?

[boreal wagon]

she does not

[quartz breach]

Other than Agir, Mogador, Charbydis, and Helena Meta, which other vanguard ships can stun, immobilize, or slow targets?

[reef flume]

Eldridge retro

[eager mulch]

Vorolishov, Tashkent

[quartz breach]

I thiught Voro just broke armour, is Tashkent's with her augment module?

[atomic abyss]

no voro has a slow with her skill barrage, tash has a slow even without her aug, aug doubles the duration of the fairy that gives the slow

[stark quiver]

I’m using these fleets to farm for Houston 2, anything I can change?

[viscid swift]

maybe swap Guam and Brest but other than that looks fine

[jade ibex]

Whats the UR fighter good for?

[sweet delta]

It's safe, anything decent (and you're using much of the best) works

[sweet delta]

Medium bosses in any plane slot and heavy bosses in fighter-only slots

[stark quiver]

Btw is next ww in cny

[viscid swift]

most likely

[stark quiver]

I need Aquila

[crude fable]

Is this thing good?

[soft raft]

Eh
Nothing really special

[forest palm]

a relic of the past

it's not the worst CA gun you can use if you're specifically fighting Light Armor Targets, but there's just better options nowadays

certainly not worth crafting though

[crude fable]

Oh okai tysm

[weary wyvern]

Anyone have any fleet recommendations for 15-1 on lethal? Anything specific I should focus on, like AA, ASW, etc.? Most prevalent armor type for mobs and the boss?

[sweet delta]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[viscid swift]

hope she get's powercrept before then

[eager mulch]

by amagi-chan (cv)

[storm heron]

[quartz breach]

Eldridge's electricity attack (the flagship triggered one) targets randomly rather than preferring humanoid targets right?

[vale spindle]

It has priority according to riceist barrage datamine

[storm heron]

priority like repair ships?

[vale spindle]

might be priority within a certain range of eld

[spring bolt]

target searching range is 100, and 360 degree

[dreamy blade]

is albacore worth getting from merit shop if i dont have the other fishpack subs? or should i just get random ships for kms tech

[sweet delta]

I wouldn't spend merit on tech points

[dreamy blade]

so if i cant retro eldridge then just ignore the ships and only get bulins?

[sweet delta]

Basically yeah

The bulins of gold rarity

[dreamy blade]

i shouldnt buy purple bulins with merit? those are the ones im low on but i have 3 rows of golds

[hazy marten]

how do i disassemble this? im overcapped and cant craft

[wild lagoon]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hazy marten]

"cant craft"

i did try crafting new one for neptune

[dreamy blade]

can you feed as exp to an aug you already have?

[hazy marten]

ye that seems to work

but theres no auto select for augs i have

ty

[stark quiver]

You get a lot of them from medal shop already

And weeklies

[dreamy blade]

alright, so i should grab those from the medal shop then

[sweet delta]

You could also equip them on ships to make space

[dreamy blade]

the blue gun is better for sandy?

[eternal moth]

Sandy wants a high-damage gun. I'd work on getting her at least a twin 114 if you can't make a rainbow

[coarse heron]

That reminded me Sandy W15 Aux is just like, regular cruiser aux, right?

[soft raft]

That's not worth the sheer loss of DPS on Sandy
76mm is only for ships that have dogshit gun damage but stonks AoA damage

Sandy's case is more like the opposite of the ideal use case for that gun

[coarse heron]

Also does the Operation AF Action report apply to planes launched by enemies too, or just the surface fleet enemies?

[soft raft]

That's not even what it does

oh nvm read that wrong

[coarse heron]

Okay that doesn’t answer my question at all

[soft raft]

most likely just surface enemies since it specifically mentions Sakura Empire

dunno how the enemy coding works

enemy planes could have faction coding, they could not

[coarse heron]

I’m guessing no since which ship even fires the averaged AA shots

[soft raft]

prob not

[languid reef]

is there any way to check my gem usage?

[soft raft]

Besides your memory? No not really

[eager mulch]

where do I check my memory?

[languid reef]

thanks

[past jackal]

wanna ask, why the oil shown in while sortie is not the same as the amount consume. Cost for 3 run is 546 oil, once i finish i fiund that i usd around 700+

[sweet delta]

did you use submarines?

[barren tapir]

it does not factor in mobs blocking the path to the boss

[past jackal]

ahh

[sweet delta]

oh it's 9-1

[past jackal]

yes

[sweet delta]

/wiki user:suchiguma/autos

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Suchiguma/AutoSearch

[dreamy blade]

oh ok was just wondering since ectl has this

[past jackal]

yup

[sweet delta]

submarines are also not included in the estimated cost because the game doesn't know whether your subs will be in range of enemies

[past jackal]

moving cost 10 oil i rmb

[soft raft]

ngl you could've also just asked them on their own server but yeah, there's your explanation
It's at the bottom for a good reason

[dreamy blade]

but it's above the gold gun i asked about

[sweet delta]

pick anything from the second to fourth columns, preferring third and fourth over second on the same row
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/DD_Guns.jpeg

[sweet delta]

not moving cost, since auto-search doesn't move subs for you

[past jackal]

teme

[dreamy blade]

ships that have dogshit gun damage but stonks AoA damage
what ships are those?

so torp focused ships with a gun based barrage?

[sweet delta]

there are very few relevant ones, like shimakaze, kazagumo, and i dont remember

[cinder hornet]

hi all! new player here, I wanted to try the game out but I feel a bit overwhelmed cos I don't really know what to do, is there any beginner guide out there I can check?

[ivory pawn]

Maybe some others, idk when the last time that graphic was updated.

[dreamy blade]

oh didnt see that part

[forest palm]

Sam is fastidious about updating those guides, so you can guarantee they are relatively up to date

[ivory pawn]

Can skim through https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips.

[cinder hornet]

yup, that's what I'm reading (and what took me there), is there anything else I can/should check?

[dreamy blade]

all of the guides on that site are worth reading through once you unlock the relevant systems

[soft raft]

the guieds on that site are some of the most consistent and up to date guides you can ask for

other than that, feel free to ask here if you have specific questions or want fleet help

[dreamy blade]

there is this guide for progressing through campaign but it's a bit outdated https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbguide

[cinder hornet]

better than nothing, I can check it, thanks! 🙇‍♂️

[eager mulch]

I’d be happy to have fun and engaging conversations in ectl

[cinder hornet]

I've seen that I should buy in the guild shop Unicorn, Helena, Portland and Pennsylvania, but is there anyone worth picking in the limited one too? or should I just get those 4 and call it a day

[soft raft]

Pure collection fodder

[grizzled sundial]

Some skill say it buff does not stack with the same skill , does that mean the very exact same skill or it include skills that can do many things ?

[eager mulch]

if it has the same name, such as Air Raid Assistance, or Artillery Command, it do not stack

[sweet delta]

there are exceptions but generally skills with the same icon or name don't stack

[cinder hornet]

ok so, buying those units from the shop I have Portland, Z23, Helena, Unicorn, Pennsylvania and a flex (dunno who to put here but this is what I have).

Any other useful unit to use? they reward you with Prototype Bulin and Universal Bulin, are they useful? cos I read is not advised to work on a second fleet right away right?

[dreamy blade]

yes you can go very far without worrying about a second fleet

bulins are just used for limit breaking ships as a replacement for dupes (the stars)

[cinder hornet]

oh they are not "usable" chars, I understand

[dreamy blade]

for that last "flex" slot you can just keep using long island for now since shes the highest level

[sharp socket]

there isnt that much you can do to optimise in the first 6+ hours of playtime and is honestly not that important to optimise from the get go

just figure it out as you go and if you start struggling ask for help

[cinder hornet]

more than optimize I would like to avoid making mistakes, I don't know how this game is, but there is always the chance that wasting some resources at the beginning sets you up for failure

[sharp socket]

because likely you wont know what to do with the information the guides give you this early anyway

[dreamy blade]

i started recently too and yeah you likely have a ton of oil overcapped that you can use to just push through campaign as far as you can (which is pretty far just brute forcing with levels and those starter ships)

[sharp socket]

nah it wont happen like that, just dont waste your cubes pulling perma exchange

the newbie tips in ecgc will go over this

[ivory pawn]

Only really painful resource you could waste would be Gems, since they're the paid currency and scarce if F2P.

[dreamy blade]

this part is important too

for not spreading out bulins

[sharp socket]

yes dont spend gems on anything except dockspace

[soft raft]

there's only really two ways to "Brick" your account
Scrapping the Hedgehog despite the warning popup and spending gems on dumb shit like Depot space, Skill training slots, or skins

[soft raft]

(And like 1 dorm slot and 2nd floor of dorm if you grind alot as well)

[cinder hornet]

yes, I was going to ask about this, cos the characters menu is a bit confusing and I have no idea how to limit break a character, I guess I have to max level their current limit first?

[ivory pawn]

There's a level requirement, but not that steep.

[dreamy blade]

the level breakpoints for limitbreaking are 10/30/70

[sharp socket]

if you read what the game tells you itll be good

[ivory pawn]

Should be a section on the left side of the screen that says limit break or something.

[soft raft]

there's level mininums for each limit break level
and at the same time, there's a certain lvl cap for each limit break lvl before they stop gaining XP

Best to limit break as you reach those level mininums as you progress

[cinder hornet]

ok so I don't have to wait till they get to max level to break them , I guess I will need to get some universal bulins before caping, thanks all 🙇‍♂️

[dreamy blade]

those starter ships can also drop from campaign stages early on too so you might not need to use bulins right away

[delicate kraken]

doing my fleet tech farming, what do i put on hwah jah?

[sharp socket]

you got any seaplanes

[delicate kraken]

yea

idk which ones are good tho

[sharp socket]

her damage is quite literally nothing so just put whatever

[sharp socket]

have you tried exploring the ship menu

the game tells you sufficient info to do stuff

[delicate kraken]

which of these two would work better? the one with just bombs?

[cinder hornet]

yes, but I didn't see the left bar because of the resolution of my phone, so I was a bit confused with the lack of info there, but thanks for pointing it out

[sharp socket]

theres also a help button on the bottom left with various tips

its sometimes misinformation but most of it is helpful

[sweet delta]

just pick anything and you don't even need to enhance it. Because a Hwah Jah with maxed gear does less than 1/5 of Unicorn's damage

[cinder hornet]

now I have a much better understanding on what to do and the samheart guides to read too, thanks all, I will ask anything I need but I think I'm set to go for now 🙇‍♂️

[delicate kraken]

sheesh

aight thanks!

[crude fable]

Uh can someone explain for me why i can't see the other hornet?

[elfin hollow]

Accidentally spent gems on a third tactical training slot once, felt bad

[sweet delta]

is she in a guild commission?

[crude fable]

Idk let me check again

Oh ye she rlly in guild commission._.

[ornate heron]

is there a way to get jintsuu meta?

[soft raft]

you'll have to wait until she gets added to the Dossier fight

iirc the dossier is currently around here on QE META or Airzona META, I havent kept track in a while

[solid robin]

is f7f/f8f hellcat generally better than f6f? or it depends on the cv?

[sweet delta]

f7f is almost always better than the normal f6f, and f8f is just bad

[solid robin]

gotcha

[warm pivot]

I really want to learn how to compose fleets..

[solid robin]

suggestion for torp bomb on persy? I dont have the UR ones

[dim summit]

only for easy grinding but what maps are safe for a Tempesta faction fleet+healer cv? (at least enough to justify using gold bulins on any of them)

[sweet delta]

Chapter 12 is easy

[sweet delta]

Breguet, vit-2 pr5, skypirate (do not craft), or the standard barracuda

[viscid swift]

Temepsta ships can be used in W12 underleveled and with no healer

W12 is easy

[sweet delta]

But that's only one tempesta ship

[sharp socket]

do only DRs have skill improvement at fs3

[viscid swift]

I never specified more than one at a time

[viscid swift]

yes

[storm heron]

that's tempesta ship, not tempesta ships

[sharp socket]

so i have to go fs5 for skill improvement for PR

[viscid swift]

yes

[sharp socket]

sadge but alr

[viscid swift]

that would imply only one could be used in such a manner but anyway I'm not gonna get in an argument about the english language

W12 really is that easy that you can bring multiple tempesta ships under-leveled if you play your cards right, not that's very hard

[sharp socket]

should i wait for brest d30 after finishing a plygun

or the other way around since i think ill get her d30 first

[viscid swift]

how far off are you, probably really close at that point so may as well

[viscid swift]

oh yeah you probably will Dev 30 her first

even if you do gear focus

[sharp socket]

im currently still ship focus for ply because shes 30 prints from dev30

i could just selector it but might want hinden in the future

[viscid swift]

yeah no I wouldn't either

[crude loom]

Hey, how good is Kitakaze?

[viscid swift]

decent but outclassed

[sharp socket]

when i get brest to d30 ill see where my plygun progress is
probably under 40/50 ngl

[crude loom]

Aw, dang

[viscid swift]

honestley after getting Dev 30 Plymouth I would switch to gear focus

you'll still accumulate Brest prints at a decent rate

[sharp socket]

i do try to gear focus but the game is insistent on giving me ship faces i dont want or bad research in general

[viscid swift]

just gotta keep at it

[dim summit]

Late to responding but ya the idea was running this as a farm fleet but like are they worth burning gold bulins? (only Fancy and AG are mlb)

[opaque gate]

best purple sub torp?

[soft raft]

not really
their fleet tech also only benefits frigates so even that is a fool's endevaour outside of tech completion

[viscid swift]

none of them give good tech, Fancy is looking interesting for some niche uses but the rest are not noteworthy in terms of performance

[dim summit]

got it lol rip then

[sharp socket]

is NJ supposed to flag

[sweet delta]

her barrage is the same flag or no flag

[sharp socket]

alr, cause i heard about how she needs flag

[soft raft]

how so?

[atomic abyss]

Where did this come from

I'm pretty sure out of all the rainbow BBs, only UvH and D30 FdG have a specific position they want

And I guess technically Musashi too

[soft raft]

Yeah technically Musashi too
but the funni bonk is a pretty small part of her damage

[atomic abyss]

But then why the hell are you running Musashi in air denial/incapability lmao

[soft raft]

lol

[atomic abyss]

She may be chonky AF, but her AA still ain't the greatest

[sharp socket]

i think i heard it from my guildmate during the early part of my playing and just stuck with me and never thought to consider he was talking nonsense

[wind hazel]

well, maybe it's different context. she doesn't need flag, but maybe she wants flag in certain situation, like campaign

[coarse heron]

is Beaver Squad tag useful in W15

[soft raft]

why wouldnt it be

[coarse heron]

good point

go go gadget speed boost

[barren tapir]

fancy is a decent tank the rest are 🚮

[atomic abyss]

Iirc the best purple is a french one that's like just pure grey

That or the usual mags

Also wtf ded for 90 minutes

[jaunty vault]

eos premonition

[atomic abyss]

The thing is
Whatever purple sub torps you use is gonna be interim gear anyways

So eh

[storm heron]

:smolmagipat:

[frozen inlet]

hey just started actually playing the game and was wondering how do u build a good team?

[storm heron]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding
There is also a bunch of different guides in here

[fickle parcel]

Are they never going to release a lower than purple rarity ship in events? I don't think I've seen one for a year now, maybe longer.

[storm heron]

when's the last R event ships lol

[sweet delta]

Marblehead in 2020

And Casablanca in the same event

[little geyser]

What does the thing to the right of unicorn mean?

[sweet delta]

/detection

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Detection Level:
If the gauge hasn't been filled, your carriers gains "hidden buff", which is 10% flat AA resistance reduction to enemies (basically they deal more dmg) and they can't be chosen as a valid target (enemies BB won't attack your CV when hidden).
If the gauge has been filled, there will be an exclamation mark (!) displayed to the side of the gauge, and your carriers lose the "hidden buff". They will regain the buff when the gauge level falls below the red line.
The gauge will be slowly filled if spotted by the enemy (both planes and ships) if they crossed the detection line, when they are burning, and when launching an airstrike.
Credit: -It's Rajaku-#1817 and Newbie#1553

For more information, consult the wiki

[little geyser]

Ah I see thank you

[thorn tartan]

can someone tell me if the spearfish is much better than wyvern. i have 2 wyvern but i need another torp bomber. i know the spearfish is for light armor

[shell willow]

it is better but much more costy

[sweet delta]

It is sometimes better

[thorn tartan]

how does it compare against med and heavy armor

[sweet delta]

You would use neither of them against medium and heavy single bosses

[thorn tartan]

what do you use, converging?

[sweet delta]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

spearfish is essentially a wyvern with no AA and extra rockets
DPS is higher but it has no passive interception like the wyvern/breguet

as sushi said, you wouldnt use either for opsi bosses/meta bosses

[rapid grail]

wyvern is generally good for pve content
spearfish finds a small niche as a possible antilight TB option given it has rockets, but w parallel torps

atm i just use spearfish in opsi mobbing, which wyvern does a very good job at.

craft at least 3 wyverns for general content, and i'd get at least 4 wyverns before getting a spearfish

[bright tusk]

is shimanto gun good for AA purpose? or is it bad for anything? should I scrap or keep them if I already leveled it up before?

[thick venture]

Hello hello do I get the x2 gem bonus on my first purchase if I did it through a 3rd party website

[opaque gate]

does shinano really have a somewhat low damage compared to amagi?

also, can aux gun trigger he burn?

[sweet delta]

Only good for AA for a shimanto who is not fate5

[atomic abyss]

Well, not much lower
But there certainly is about a 10-15% difference

[atomic abyss]

Yes, assuming it's HE
But for DD guns the proc rate is like, 1%?

[opaque gate]

i see, is she more of a buffer than a damage dealer?

[atomic abyss]

Heavens no

She's still going to be higher than every non UR CV not named Enterprise

At least against heavy

[opaque gate]

i see, zamn so enty is still that strong, thanks!

[atomic abyss]

The buff is a bonus on top
It is a good buff tho yes

If anything, the crazy buffer is Amagi herself

[opaque gate]

or maybe it is because the second slot is mandatory dive bomber for shinano, which makes it weaker for meta fights

[atomic abyss]

I mean, amagi's 1st slot is also usually a tenrai tho

[opaque gate]

oh, cuz im using sea hornet for her. I dont have tenrqi yet, is helldiver better than seahornef?

[atomic abyss]

Sea hornet is a fighter...

[opaque gate]

yeah, i mean in case of meta fights

[atomic abyss]

A regular fighter is not going to do more than a DB

[opaque gate]

ok thanks!

[atomic abyss]

The rocket fighters are the ones you'd look out for

But there's like 3 of them only

[opaque gate]

ye im using it for medium armor/light, but not for nagato meta since i heard she is heavy

[tranquil saffron]

Why is it shinano + amagi and not Haku + amagi?

[atomic abyss]

Cos shinano can have 6 torp bombers

Haku can only have 5

She has 4 DBs instead

[atomic abyss]

Amagi buffs all torps from Sakura ships - Subs, TBs and actual torps

[opaque gate]

for meta fights like nagato, helldiver, ryusei(or ryuichi forgot the name) saiun kai good?

or should i change saiun for another ryuusei for amagi

[sharp socket]

if it syncs its good

[atomic abyss]

Saiuns, Ryuuseis, Ju D-4s, PR7 VIT-2 are all sidegrades

[sharp socket]

saiun kai is fastest of them all tho

[atomic abyss]

What matters is that as celerio says, you sync them

[sweet delta]

shinano has much stronger buffs than haku

[opaque gate]

without helena, what will i sync it with?

[atomic abyss]

Your freezer i.e avp/impla/nakh

[sharp socket]

a stopper

[tranquil saffron]

So how much of a difference does that 1 extra TB make when paired with amagi compared to having Haku with her 4 DBs?

[atomic abyss]

DBs kinda suck for bosses lol

[opaque gate]

cuz i use nagato shinano amagj cv, azuma ibuki noshiro

[tranquil saffron]

Damn I didn't know that

[atomic abyss]

DBs have always been better at aoe

[opaque gate]

and in average, i deal 50% for lvl15 nagato

[atomic abyss]

And as sushi said earlier, shinano herself is also a buffer

Haku is just incredibly selfish lmao

[opaque gate]

who is a good stopper?

[atomic abyss]

^

[sharp socket]

implac best else avp

[atomic abyss]

You don't need a stopper for Nagato meta

[opaque gate]

qah rip i dont have those

for helena fights, i just time my planes when she uses her skills or laser

[atomic abyss]

For Nagato meta specifically, a slower like Eldridge retro is more than sufficient

[opaque gate]

i see, thank you

[atomic abyss]

Regardless, if you haven't gotten AvP, I have to ask, have you gotten Friedrich and Anchorage?

[opaque gate]

im still collecting exp for fdg

[atomic abyss]

That explains a lot

[opaque gate]

currently lvl 90

[tranquil saffron]

Is nahk even viable for nagato meta as a slower?

[soft dagger]

yes
ijn cv still better though

[atomic abyss]

If you don't got triple Sakura CV
Yeah, absolutely lmao

[opaque gate]

i want to finish the daily submarine, what purple torps for sub should i craft?

[sweet delta]

The ones that give 3 ammo each

[opaque gate]

i see, thanks!

[atomic abyss]

Nakh is like, the strongest CV currently

[sweet delta]

Oh 6 ammo

These or their purple versions

[opaque gate]

thank you!

[atomic abyss]

Ah so I was right
That IS the french torp at the bottom

[atomic abyss]

The only issue with Nakh is that you kinda have to fuck over your comp partially if you want to get the freeze

Tho, Nakh already has her own slow so uh

If you don't need the freeze sure why not?

[eternal basalt]

Don't, use the pirates for easy win

[opaque gate]

they are all weak xD, im fine with subs so i can build them too

[atomic abyss]

[atomic abyss]

Sorry but I still find this logic kinda silly

[eternal basalt]

You auto after finish, not much help.

[atomic abyss]

Why raise an IXs for literally just 1 battle

[eternal basalt]

... why? Easy vs hard = Easy wins

[opaque gate]

how tf does T2 beat T3 in everyway

[atomic abyss]

You're still raising a shit ship

And people not being able to clear sub 95 without an IXs is, for lack of better word, a legitimate skill issue

You need to raise 3 subs anyways

[eternal basalt]

Raise 3 ship vs raise 1 ship. Well,

[atomic abyss]

You raise 3 subs that you'll actually use for content

You raise 1 ship you'll use once

It's a very silly comparison lol

I mean sure if you already have an IXs raised, sure, use it

But if you don't, might as well build your subs properly

[sweet delta]

I don't think new players have three good gold subs lying around

[atomic abyss]

Lv95 sub daily isn't gonna be something a new player is gonna reach for a while anyways

And even if they did, they wouldn't have the cores for RF

[eternal basalt]

They do with pirate

[atomic abyss]

Because there's much more important things to use it on

[atomic abyss]

^

People tend to vastly overrate how difficult it is

Gone are the days where you'd need to auto the fucker twice a week, every week

And I'm pretty sure I was using purple subs lol

[wind hazel]

on a relatively new account, is it still recommended to spam lv65 raid until 3/6 bidders before moving to lv95 or just move up to lv95 asap?