gameplay-help

[weary gust]

You'll still pick up on most things eventually if you don't turn your brain off.

The game isn't that complex. Some base core mechanics, a few exceptions, and a few specific requirements for things. Beyond that it's just memorizing all the ships and their skills/all the gear so you know offhand what is optimal or can work. Which you can always look up ships and gears, if you understand the game mechanics.

[cursive lark]

The game isn't that complex

[weary gust]

It's really not. Armor mods, less than a dozen stats of which more than half are either multipliers or directly what they are, and gear properties of which there's another five or so stats relevant. Most of the info is on screen.

It only starts to get complex if you want to precisely calculate things like timings and optimal damage output.

[soft osprey]

How good is FDG (especially when compared to UVH)?

and whats a good loadout around her

[weary gust]

They're mostly equivalent.

[soft osprey]

so putting the sisters together is good?

[weary gust]

Standard BB loadout, FdG is better for mobbing than bossing, and for anti-light than heavy.

[atomic abyss]

fdg is ever so slightly worse than uvh

[weary gust]

Depends on what you're doing. Generally I wouldn't pair them together unless you're doing anti-light boss bb fleet and have limited bb options.

[atomic abyss]

agreed, only worth if you lack other UR BBs for BB boss fleets in opsi

[fallow sedge]

Is every cat good

[barren tapir]

tbf there are some more obscure things you'd need to wiki or ask about, but yeah. it's around medium complexity, plus you dont need to know everything to do well, there's some fine tuning stuff at the top though

[weary gust]

If you mean Every the cat, she is okay. IF you mean "every cat in the game" then no.

[fallow sedge]

Wait I meant the event cat

[chrome fiber]

The green cat

[vast sparrow]

why yostar named Every man

[atomic abyss]

it shd be avery

[cursive lark]

They named a cat drake just to make drake relevant

[barren tapir]

Every the cat is pretty great esp for newbies

technically every cat is "good" in the sense that you should always have cat slots filled for every fleet you use because they gain exp and some stats is better than no stats, but ofc, cats range from perfect to dogshit too

[cursive lark]

So it is indeed that complex, that's why there are people still doing calc and testing

[barren tapir]

it's complex at the high end minmaxing level, but you can get away with significantly less knowledge and calculations

[weary gust]

I guess it's a matter of perspective/opinion on what you want to consider complex. Azur lane is not nearly as complicated as many other games. Calculations/getting into nitty-gritty stuff can be done for almost anything.

[subtle cloud]

Are research tasks like these ever worth it? Do they give a lot of extra blueprints or are they just an overly expensive version

[weary gust]

It's not the most basic game either, though. So somewhere in the middle out of the entire spectrum of basic game to very complex imo.

[atomic abyss]

they are very worth if you have an abundance of cubes

[barren tapir]

they are extremely time efficient but cost cubes so be careful with them if you dont have 1k+ cube

[chrome fiber]

shiny

[subtle cloud]

so you’re mainly just paying for time efficiency with those?

[cursive lark]

No it is not, Musashi come in 2 maintences

[subtle cloud]

ok great thanks

[weary gust]

You've got 80 cubes, so very not worth it for you atm.

[barren tapir]

the reward comparatively is very high for only 30mins, but you could ignore all 30min researches to save cubes and itll not really slow you down too much long term anyway

[viscid swift]

says who

[novel solstice]

I think the cats are named after actual ships cats, though it will be hard to verify that in the case of Every because it's hard to google for a common word like that.

Oscar, for example, is named for the (probably a legend and not real) ship's cat of the Bismark, who was fished out of the water by HMS Cossack and served on her until that was sunk and then was fished out of the water and transfered to HMS Ark Royal and served on her until that one sunk and then was fished out of the water again and transferred to the office of the governor of Gibraltar on the grounds that it was unlikely to sink.

[fallow sedge]

Musashi perm or rerun?

[wind hazel]

rerun

[vast sparrow]

Oh yeah, i heard about Oscar

[eager mulch]

[cursive lark]

It's above, jp patch notes

[barren tapir]

simultaneously the luckiest and unluckiest cat. imagine being on 3 sinking ships, but also imagine surviving all of them and having a nice retirement lol

[cursive lark]

Oh turtle joined again

[wind hazel]

he never left

[subtle cloud]

ok one more question, how good is Musashi (or how relevant would she be to my account anyway)? I already have Bismarck Zwei, New Jersey and Sovetsky Soyuz

[eager mulch]

very good

[fallow sedge]

I see a trio of ur

[barren tapir]

would it be worth it to go hard for musashi if i also care a lot about the collab? the timing is a tad unfortunate

[cursive lark]

Nah new UR very likely dec, at least from pattern

[wind hazel]

depends on cube+how many other BB UR you got

[atomic abyss]

she completes shreds all of them as a mobbing BB in w15

[subtle cloud]

alr

[barren tapir]

my only UR is amagi cv, so she would def be a great addition for me, but i also only have low 400s cubes

[wind hazel]

pray you get her for free

[atomic abyss]

you get 43 free rolls so ye

[fallow sedge]

I remember 2 years ago lol when I was a new player and got her in like no cubes good times

[cursive lark]

[sharp socket]

musashi only 1 week long rerun?

[cursive lark]

Has there even be a case where rerun is 2 weeks?

[barren tapir]

here's hoping

[forest palm]

as with all reruns, yes

[vast sparrow]

Is it confirmed?

[forest palm]

not since they started doing Lite Reruns

[viscid swift]

unless you count collab reruns which I really don't

[cursive lark]

Which part? The 1 week part is not yet confirmed but like

[sharp socket]

can i farm 200k coins in a week

[wind hazel]

yes

[atomic abyss]

yes assuming you have the oil

[fallow sedge]

Is the ur yamato gun good on her I've been using it ever since I got her

[wind hazel]

dont spend $, save everything

[atomic abyss]

no

[undone plover]

Usually no
That gun is very niche

[fallow sedge]

Ahh-

[sharp socket]

34.5k oil is quite the oil amount, assuming 12-4

[undone plover]

Yeah that is like 240k gold

[barren tapir]

dont forget you get coins from commission, daily missions, weekly missions, daily raids etc, and map drops besides clearing reward, retiring ships, dismantling gear~

[fallow sedge]

Damn it never realized it wanst good

[atomic abyss]

too slow really

[barren tapir]

30k oil is also very reasonable in a week's time since the average oils an active player gets per day is 5.5-6k

[fallow sedge]

Srs I've had it on her for 2 years lol ahhh

[undone plover]

I think for musashi u use:
The purple ijn twin 410 kai for light armor and mobbing
Izumo gun (triple 410 pr1 BB gun) for medium/heavy armor

Idk how daisen gun fits
Maybe late game mobbing?

[atomic abyss]

a cope 457 ye

[fallow sedge]

This my new use for her now?

[atomic abyss]

yes, that'll work

[white agate]

lmao, i just noticed i intended independence not intrepid ;
anyhow independence here shoud be a solid choice, right?

[atomic abyss]

you can upgrade this particular gun to a better version later

[fallow sedge]

Geez those 2 years are painful to watch back oh well

[soft osprey]

wait we getting musashi rerun soon?

[atomic abyss]

yes

not this maint, but the subsequent one

[atomic abyss]

indep is way better ye, esp for opsi

[fallow sedge]

Everyone estimated it to be 2025 lol

[soft osprey]

well, hopefully it alsts long enough so i na recover after using my cubes to get the collab ships

[barren tapir]

cube rush rip all new players

[atomic abyss]

event reruns have all been 1 week for a while tho

[soft osprey]

and not have the luck i had on the last rerun

[atomic abyss]

admittedly they do give you about 43 free rolls

[barren tapir]

i am willing to bet collab begins right after musashi leaves tbh

[soft osprey]

i didn't get Roma. still mad

[fallow sedge]

Got her in a free pull

[viscid swift]

this is my best estimate of the schedule

[barren tapir]

it could have a week break but somehow i dont feel it kekw

[soft osprey]

nah, last week break was because i think it was holiday in the prc, so they couldn't add smth new

[fallow sedge]

Is there a new ur on Dec?

[viscid swift]

most likely

[velvet slate]

yeh and there's a very good chance is going to be a double UR event

[soft osprey]

kms europa?

[atomic abyss]

[fallow sedge]

I'm sick and tired of having 5 ijn ur but no other factions jeez

[atomic abyss]

all speculation

[barren tapir]

my cubes are gonna die

[soft osprey]

they always do

[fallow sedge]

Meh I don't need to collect another musashi

[velvet slate]

what are you talking about? in the past year we've had 2 USS, 2 French UR, and Soyuz

[fallow sedge]

Boi I have no luck on other faction only on ijn

[wind hazel]

who asked

[fallow sedge]

He asked.

[forest palm]

this is what we're getting tomorrow

[barren tapir]

ig there's about 40% to get musashi for free it could be worse

[cursive lark]

More like no sphagetti

[sharp socket]

ty guys for helping

[ivory pawn]

So as a newer player with only ~300 cubes and no interest in collab, a. I’m screwed, b. I’m basically choosing between either Musashi or gambling on an interesting UR in Dec?

[wind hazel]

c. you're fine

[barren tapir]

you're much less screwed than me that collab is gonna be my death

[soft raft]

we have no concrete idea when Musashi will rerun
plus reruns have free build tickets

[atomic abyss]

we do

[forest palm]

you would be correct actually

[barren tapir]

at least neptune is getting an augment that's cool

[atomic abyss]

JP teased sushi rerun

[forest palm]

it's in the patch notes

[atomic abyss]

for subsequent maint (i.e not this week)

[soft raft]

Huh
oh typical "Man I just woke up moment" 💀

[cursive lark]

Waht Jenas? Nvm it's Jenasu or Janus

[atomic abyss]

we also getting nep aug this week
alongside ded week

[forest palm]

here

[velvet slate]

musashi is most likely going to be here in 1-2 weeks

[soft osprey]

perm releasing halloween skins AFTER halloween. very cleaver manjuu

[barren tapir]

hopefully it'll help make her decent enough again, i chose her for pr1 cos she's cute but performance has been very mid

[soft raft]

Wait does this mean that they skipped Blucher event

[velvet slate]

and shes worth getting

[soft osprey]

who's even is that

[viscid swift]

for now yes

[soft raft]

Musashi

[forest palm]

Musashi

[atomic abyss]

musashi event

[soft osprey]

OH COME ON I WAS WAITING FOR BLUCHER

[atomic abyss]

blucher got blutchered

[ivory pawn]

The screwed was more of a joke. Guess I’ll see what I get from freebies before doing anything.

[soft osprey]

she got the norwegian treatment again

[atomic abyss]

to reuse yuki's words to me
cope as fuck because of ply

[fallow sedge]

Stuck in Norway now

[forest palm]

had a feeling Blucher's event was skipable

[atomic abyss]

harbin has dd guns and torps so it'll be hard there

[barren tapir]

good thing i wont have ply for a while, them DRs take time

[soft osprey]

i need the last hipper for my collection

[atomic abyss]

shimanto has torps and AA so it'll be hard there

sandy has DD guns and AA so it'll be hard there

ply is the most similar to her

[barren tapir]

id be happy enough with her not being completely shown up by fancy like she currently has been for me

[atomic abyss]

except neppy is extremely heavily barrage oriented

[forest palm]

for anyone that wants to go over the JP patch notes
https://azurlane.jp/news/655

[atomic abyss]

ply at least has mgm+2 to fall back on

[fallow sedge]

Wonder what's the next faction ur

[atomic abyss]

say nothing of her support capabilities

[velvet slate]

id wager on either KMS or HMS

[atomic abyss]

nep has AP buff skill and a now mostly useless zombie skill

[barren tapir]

cope for significant barrage buff then from the augment

[forest palm]

Neptune was always just a more expensive Phoenix

[soft osprey]

I wage my New Jersey that it's gonna be KMS Europa

[sharp socket]

is indep the fastest CV/L

[atomic abyss]

neptune was actually top of the CL DPS charts at a point in time

[atomic abyss]

fastest as in...

[sharp socket]

plane launch time

[atomic abyss]

ignoring the preloads?

[sharp socket]

yes

[barren tapir]

come on grandpa let's get you to bed

[viscid swift]

Luna has a 50% cooldown reduction on her first 2 airstrikes

[atomic abyss]

thats why CN recommends Luna for opsi mobbing minmaxing

[sharp socket]

collab, i cant get her

[atomic abyss]

impero has 40%, bearnM has 30% reductions respectively

[velvet slate]

in opsi mobbing imo nothing kills stuff faster than a french battleship team :))

[barren tapir]

even including the slowmo effect?

[atomic abyss]

the slow mo is what kills BB fleets for pure irl speed

[cobalt rapids]

akaga has 50%
amagi cv has 50%

[barren tapir]

yee i prefer cvs as a whole because of that after you see slowmo once it stops being cool and starts being annoying

[cursive lark]

6s of just watching bbs fire their salvos

[soft raft]

I just run 1 BB on OpSi Mob
Musashi/Unicorn/Healquila

There's prob faster ways but at the same time I want my mob to solo strongholds lol

[atomic abyss]

or you be like me, change your fleet and only bring a BB when actually clearing strongholds at the end of the month

[cobalt rapids]

this fleet solos any stronghold and it has 7 preloads and 2 fast loads

[barren tapir]

my nub ass uses nagatom uni indep, nagatom for levelling her skills

[velvet slate]

bring ibuki for even more ridicolousness :))

[cursive lark]

Ibuki replace shima imo

[cobalt rapids]

ibuki can replaces shima or kaza yes

[sharp socket]

i feel like preloads arent that special because they just kill the first wave, and then the 2nd+ wave is just poor damage output

unless the damage output is high and also has preloads which is best

[atomic abyss]

there are ways to stagger preloaded torps ya know

[cobalt rapids]

if u stackpreloads they stagger themselves and will clean multi waves

[atomic abyss]

what umi said

[barren tapir]

stuff spawns in once stuff dies so just add more preloads yeah

[cursive lark]

But who csres they all boom boom

[atomic abyss]

shima, ibuki, unzen all have 2x preload torps each after all

[gilded carbon]

With the Event getting a rerun, how do te different UR-BBs compare to each other?

[cursive lark]

Use 410 for one, magnetic for the others

[barren tapir]

i assume their comp, the torps do wave 1, percy and akagiu does wave 2, and amagi does wave 3

[gilded carbon]

Appearantly getting a rerun, more Like

[cobalt rapids]

bismarck zwei, musashi, soyuz, alsace, vanny are on the upper end of the UR bb spectrum the others are on the lower end

[atomic abyss]

NJ, UvH, FdG are at the bottom of the ranks
Musashi has been relegated to mostly campaign mobbing
2 of Alsace, Vanny, Soyuz are used with Bis 2 for the best BB comps

warkai can

[soft raft]

Kear also mainly replaces Enty in the USS Anti-light CV comp

[atomic abyss]

kear is basically a CV so im not counting her

[gilded carbon]

I See, thank you

[sharp socket]

i observe preloaded torps and planes to miss the top and bottom enemies and just go uselessly in the centre after nuking everything there

[gilded carbon]

Shame for some of them. The Pllower end ones are still good, i suppose? Even Warkai?

[atomic abyss]

warkai is worse than some gold BBs now

[cursive lark]

Spearfish and la9

[atomic abyss]

NJ, FdG and UvH are still noticeably better than all gold BBs

[cobalt rapids]

warkai is gapped by many god BBs
the other UR bbs are all better than any gold bb but u wont need more than 3 BBs

[soft raft]

WarKai is pratically hard stuck in the 2019 meta

[whole crypt]

spoot was already worse than some SRs since long ago

[vast sparrow]

Good BB Fleet?

[velvet slate]

NJ and UvH yes but FDG barely scrapes by some of the best gold BBs

[gilded carbon]

Ok. Now im regretting doing the Work of Retrofitting Warkai

[atomic abyss]

if you somehow have nothing else, it would work

[cursive lark]

Good, you should

[whole crypt]

she made it to PvP but she wasn't that good for campaign back then even

[atomic abyss]

2 of Alsace, Vanny, Soyuz are used with Bis 2 for the best BB comps

[cursive lark]

[barren tapir]

dont regret it, it was needed for collection

[cursive lark]

So basically retroing warkai is as important as tempestas, collection only

[atomic abyss]

howe was the one that hurt her the most really

and dork which is even older than warkai is a discount vanny

[tame jungle]

[white agate]

is chang chun good as a opsi dd even if i use no dragon or np ships?
i was thinking to put her with sandy and anchorage in my mod fleet; as of now i use helena, but i am gonna use her for my BB fleet

[barren tapir]

basically. its so expensive too

[atomic abyss]

she's fine
tho an shan retro would be better in that case

say nothing of tai yuan retro herself

[cursive lark]

Ty a very bit better

[sharp socket]

with ancho, agir, brest and eldkai, how do i put them in my opsi mob/bb/cv fleets as main tank

[loud cedar]

What are the rules for combat exp for Pr ships again? Using the same teams I used for the 1m data collection doesn't seem to be working for the 2m one for some reason. I'm abit confused as i've done like 12 runs of 12-4 and 3 of the event now

[cobalt rapids]

mob - some1
bb - aegir
cv - ancho or eld(if slow is usefull)

[soft raft]

what ship are you working on?
If it's the CBs (Agir/Azuma/Brest), CDC 1 requires backline and CDC 2 requires vanguard

[loud cedar]

It's Ibuki and she says Vanguard

[sharp socket]

eld has slow?

[soft raft]

have you actually submitted the finished CDC1 mission yet?
iirc progress for CDC2 wont start until you do

[gilded carbon]

Im trying, she Served well at the start

[loud cedar]

Derp

Ty, lol. I knew I had to be missing something obvious

[rose cosmos]

So what’s next after mt?

[turbid dawn]

What is needed to counter this months CM? I tried putting a TB on all VG ships but they still die after 90s

[soft raft]

huh how the fuck did you put planes on your vanguard

[wind hazel]

you need vanguard healing every 20s

[soft raft]

isnt that last month's CM

[wind hazel]

tb=toolbox i assume, which isn't enough

[crude fable]

Is kazagumo useable for newplayer? Im at map 10-1 now ._.

[wind hazel]

use unicorn/perseus or ognevoy

[soft raft]

she doesnt really have much value in campaign, but is mainly valueable in the future for Operation Siren

Her main utility is buffing carriers which is most efficent when you're buffing a whole team of them

[crude fable]

So rn do i need to upgrade her?

My front team rn only got helena,port land and z23

[soft raft]

no

[wind hazel]

raise her when you're ready for 2nd fleet

[crude fable]

Im gonna change z23 to sandy when i got lvl 100

[tame jungle]

maybe not right now but keep her in mind for later

[crude fable]

Oh her

Oh okai tysm

[serene bobcat]

Possibly a dumb question but how do I scrap these? Can't see the disassemble option

[tame jungle]

feed them to other augments

[serene bobcat]

ah that makes more sense, thanks

[forest palm]

Fight On! Royal Maids Pt 3 ships will be perm, and related event items will be stuffed into the Limited Core Data Shop, also Neptune and Shiratsuyu augment

Musashi the following week

[tame jungle]

the following maintenance which might be next week

[forest palm]

that's how it always is

[tame jungle]

watch it not be the case

[primal silo]

Is it okay to buy adapt in opsi port shop?

[tame jungle]

nah don't bother

[whole crypt]

chances are next week anyway, even if collab is 28 that's 1 ded week, if 21 then it's going from rerun straight into collab

[sharp socket]

port shop adapt tuner are fine, get to doing strongholds and abyssals faster is all

[tame jungle]

yeah with the packed schedule of events that's still due i suspect that to be the case too tbf

[sharp socket]

if you’re fine with taking it slower then dont buy them

the loss of tokens is honestly not that big of a difference

[whole crypt]

well you save a bunch of vouchers and you don't lose anything doing them later
stronger fleets don't even need good adapts to do stronghold

[sharp socket]

for vouchers it really doesnt matter though cause i still got almost 13k from last month and i bought all the tuners

it just lets you finish stuff faster

[whole crypt]

yeh it's up to you, I'm no short of vouchers myself

[tame jungle]

it doesn't matter as long as you go positive (and you don't have any more of the file zones ofc)

[sharp socket]

you are guaranteed to go positive assuming you actually play the game

[tame jungle]

don't know this guy's account so

if he's not able to clear some hard content that can throw a spanner into the works

[primal silo]

I'm not short on vouchers, and already bought the voucher tuners

[sharp socket]

just dont buy HELPs and other less useful stuff like tuners and coins and meta shards

voucher tuners are only if you want to finish harby really fast and have way excess vouchers

[primal silo]

Ehh, I would say mid game
Got some 125s, and only missing york2 and implac on URs

[primal silo]

Help?

[tame jungle]

are you clearing everything on opsi each month

[sharp socket]

high efficiency logistics plan, the 2x thing

[tender lotus]

I need some advice for current meta fight
I'm planning on using amagicv haku shin kazag mog EldKai
What gears should I equip?
Oh i don't have the new ur plane

[primal silo]

Not everything
I got most of the parts and bps and stuff, I think

[primal silo]

Ah
Never bought those
I got a stockpile of ~300?
Rarely use em too

[abstract ore]

I need fleet recommendation for 13-4

[undone plover]

Tenrai + Torpedo bombers
Time your CVs for 22.6-23.0 striketimes
Oxy torp kazagumo if u have

[sharp socket]

CVs and AA ships

for specific advice create thread with dock

[undone plover]

Could also ignore CV timing and just sync them and rely on eldridge slow but some TB might miss on slow alone

[sharp socket]

stick with 1bb 2cv for mob and boss, give CVs fighters with good intercept, and have AA ships like sandy, also use decent AA guns like twin 113 on everyone

[tender lotus]

Which TB are you referring to?

[undone plover]

Torpedo bombers
Saiun kai/junker87/ryuusei/vit-2 mode change

[tender lotus]

Ah the converging

Wait what abt the other DDs?

[undone plover]

If u are running eldridge u can afford to run offensive aux on mog
But it wont rly matter much

[tender lotus]

Ah yeah Eldridge kit allow that
Kazag with 2 oxy am i right?

[undone plover]

Yep
Should be fine
Run mog in tank position
She can take gumo closer with her skill which could make her land more torps
Bit unreliable since gumo likes to load her trops faster sometimes

Do you have unzen?

[turbid dawn]

Holy, even with Uni on that fight just on normal, Mog was the only 1 left alive for the last 20s, and this was only a 3m fight. How do you do hard?

[undone plover]

Most likely timing issue

What is your uni strike time

Make her 19.95 or thereabouts

[turbid dawn]

Ah she's too fast then she is currently at 19.3

[undone plover]

Tweak your CVL rld tech or give her a slightly slower plane

[tender lotus]

Yes i have

[undone plover]

Run mogador, kazagumo unzen
Give unzen a UR quint mag (if +13) + double oxytorp
Gumo improved mag + double oxytorp
Mogador defensive aux

Should be rly good
But if u take out eldridge need to sync your CV for 22.6-23.0
U want their 3rd strike to land with mogador stab

[turbid dawn]

Should be good then?

[undone plover]

Yeah I think this is fine

[eternal moth]

I think they just announced Musashi's rerun event. It should be in the maint after next

[tender lotus]

What's defensive aux?

[undone plover]

Toolkit and cyanidin towel (blue towel from muse event)
Or toolkit + another 500 hp aux gear

[tender lotus]

Okay

Thx

[eternal moth]

Google Translate is calling the event "Akira's Tears Moon, Violet's Dawn Wind". That sounds close enough to Violet Tempest, Blooming Lycoris to me

[undone plover]

Yeah ender posted the patch notes here

#gameplay-help message

[forest palm]

cause that is just take the Japanese, and throw it in Google, and it'll show you

[turbid dawn]

4m3s kill, not too bad, but idk how Hinden got MVP though, too OP, pls nerf?

[undone plover]

Bisko + uni buff

[eternal moth]

Oh, it was posted that early. Thanks

[turbid dawn]

Like actually, I'd say Hinden is less geared too

[eternal moth]

Hinden OP

[dusk maple]

An Shan got MVP on my run #trophy-room message

[undone plover]

I think the boss 60% vanguard buff dmg is bugged

[eternal moth]

And double rainbow gun is REALLY strong

[undone plover]

It stays even when u cleanse the poison

[turbid dawn]

Tbh I'm surprised Mog almost keeps up with Hinden dmg too

[nova crane]

guys is divergent chessboard character good

[nova crane]

hello

[undone plover]

U96?
She is a great sub yes
But early on u farm DC for ironblood tech
And dont invest in subs until later

[atomic abyss]

DC is z46

[undone plover]

Oh true my bad

[nova crane]

okok

is getting bremerton good

[atomic abyss]

no, none of them are worth raising as a new player
they are primarily used to get ironblood faction technology to unlock ironblood ships in research, like freiderich de grosse, agir and august von parseval

[nova crane]

she bad asf

[nova crane]

okok

[undone plover]

Listen to ender I goofed

[soft dagger]

yo. if i found an issue with the tool you gave me the other day where should i post it?

[atomic abyss]

as for brem well, she's ok

[nova crane]

im like level 71, what should i get?? i already got like 150 aegir bp

[atomic abyss]

friederich de grosse first

[atomic abyss]

whats the issue

[soft dagger]

try put littorio, her fp is way too high

[atomic abyss]

oh

oh dear

yeah i'll inform them

[soft dagger]

thx

[nova crane]

what ship in war archieve is good in like base stats

[atomic abyss]

honestly - almost none of em

[undone plover]

Jean d’arc is like the only one u might consider using later on in ch15 and that is if u missed eldridge retro

[atomic abyss]

which is why most people ignore archive

[nova crane]

oh ok

does it give lots of exp though?

[atomic abyss]

same with other events - not good at all
around w10 level of exp for the last map

you get far more exp in w12

[nova crane]

oh

hmmm im in world 10 already anyways lol ill just grind some, bremerton is kinda 🔥

[rose cosmos]

If amity is trash then what should I do with those spare map copies? Reduce them or 6* merge

[tame jungle]

just use for limit breaks yea

[soft raft]

Only as tech fodder

At most the only ship worth going for in WA for actual mainline use is JdA but even then, she's still quite niche

[barren tapir]

werent ppl saying she might have some very niche endgame usage as damage amp no reason not to mlb her tho unless you just really dislike her ig

[atomic abyss]

niche af yes

[whole crypt]

assuming amity doesn't die or retreat early for something hard enough for the debuff to matter... or just use subs

[hollow gust]

thinking too hard, just level a good sub fleet and leave it alone, they are all basically the same anyway

[sweet delta]

But it's minmaxing

[gilded carbon]

is a good KMS/Wolfpack-fleet or one of more specialized and different Subs better to start that off?

[sweet delta]

Depends on what subs you have

[upbeat wagon]

Does repeating sorties consume more oil as opposed to doing them manually

[gilded carbon]

more good KMS ones then others, im afraid? queues Sabaton Wolfpack

[whole crypt]

just level everything but never actually use them, yes

[boreal wagon]

will fix with next version, ty. for future reference the footer at the bottom of the page links to an issue tracker

[shell willow]

no

[sweet delta]

Since your only good subs are wolves, then yeah if you're ready to raise subs then pick 96 37 81

[gilded carbon]

i thought that Leonardo was decent too, from the tierlist?

[hollow gust]

shes very good

[sweet delta]

She's good but not top, and she's by herself in your dock so no

[whole crypt]

but you need other good non-faction subs to use with her as a whole sub fleet

given your current options you're better off just using 96 37 81

[gilded carbon]

But sure, that sounds good. Wolfpack it is. What is a good non-faction SS-List then? One that doesnt rely on this Wolfpack-Tribal?

[sweet delta]

On a stretched scale the sub fleets should look like this

[gilded carbon]

iwont get Homura, i suppose? Collab, wasnt it

Then Wolfpack, as Sabaton sung so long ago XD

[whole crypt]

what if you don't stretch the scale

[forest palm]

recommending collab ships is kind of dirty

[whole crypt]

I mean if you have her she's up there, assuming you bother

[sweet delta]

Gold = S, purple = A
Basically

[whole crypt]

I'm happy with my suboptimal wolfpack

[sweet delta]

There is quite a noticeable difference between fish pack and the rest in bidder/g7e-land in CM though

[whole crypt]

I'll consider if they add new CM

[gilded carbon]

wich is why i used the Parcival of the Seas so long. U-556 is just fun with her Bismarck

[whole crypt]

I'm basically one away from top wolfpack but I have my reasons
it really doesn't matter for most part

[sweet delta]

They add new raids every year, fish pack is also like 15%-20% better than wolfpack in most of those

[whole crypt]

you mean the raids I low cost the hell out of

[sweet delta]

~~and no worries if next UR happens to be KMS SS ~~

[forest palm]

really not making much of a case to bother with Homura

[undone plover]

Sushi do u know how is fishpack with medium cat vs fishpack with perfect cat

[soft dagger]

will do. also is there a reason why to ignored champagne gun reload entirely?

[boreal wagon]

wdym

[sweet delta]

She wasn't relevant enough to get a skill entry?

[whole crypt]

but yeh next raid I might consider going back to using oil cap to do my affinity grinds, I'm starting to have trouble getting my ships to 100 before they hit 120

[forest palm]

how?

[whole crypt]

is raids or 9-1 or polaris cheaper

[gilded carbon]

the only problem for me is getting proper Torps for Submarines. Currently, that is

[sweet delta]

Ryza collab

[soft dagger]

one of champagne skill is decrease gun loading, but your tool ignored that part so she only shoot normally (like the most bb)

[undone plover]

Which weekly sub raid are u doing?

[whole crypt]

if you're asking me it's by being 👴

[boreal wagon]

yeah i just noticed, it probably slipped by me (there are like 800 ships ). will fix

[soft dagger]

thx again

[undone plover]

Some ppl prefer lvl65 sub raid since it gives more bidder prereq blueprints

[gilded carbon]

I havent been able to beat 45 yet. But i read that the Sailing Frigates will tear through it, so im lvling one

[sweet delta]

I prefer 65 for new players because it requires much less investment than 95

[whole crypt]

65 is significantly easier than 95

[undone plover]

I prefer gold plates

But yeah for newbies 65 better

[whole crypt]

by the time you get to clear 95 without too much trouble and not putting resources into frigates you probably aren't in much hurry to cope for Mk VIIIs anyway

[gilded carbon]

hopefully, Royal Fortune will make do where U-556 once failed. I will see that next week

[sweet delta]

[undone plover]

Did u invest bulins into her already?

[gilded carbon]

yes

[undone plover]

I see.
Then good luck she should clear fine
And like we said stick to 65 initially
It is “better” than the higher level raids

[whole crypt]

torp plates important if you want to +13 6 rainbow sub torps

[gilded carbon]

will do, thanks!

[whole crypt]

not that I have any business with rainbow sub torp as it stands, since it doesn't really work for wolfpack

[forest palm]

just ignore subs simple

[rancid mural]

I can just now farm event node6, does it end in 14 hours? Or will I have tomorrow

[forest palm]

34 hrs

[undone plover]

If u have oil and not a lot of free time good time to use your HELP tickets

[rancid mural]

Alright, what are like the most buys lol

[whole crypt]

shop priority is in datamine

but if I use my HELPs I'll lose them!

[rancid mural]

Mary?

[rancid mural]

Alright alright

[sweet delta]

But is the shop priority in data mine good?

[barren tapir]

ackshually it should be 38 hours i think

[whole crypt]

actually it is whatever the merit shop timer says + 24 hours

[forest palm]

mm... nope 38 hours 4 minutes

[undone plover]

I dislike the tech box recommendation ngl
Could be good but I hate that it is rng

[sweet delta]

Like it always lists the shop ship at the very top but never remind people that she can also drop from map

[rancid mural]

I should prolly start thinking about a second team. What are some good units to aim for anyway?

Is my "main"

[undone plover]

Show dock

[rancid mural]

I have been told this is not good lol

[sweet delta]

this is not good

[forest palm]

it's something alright

[whole crypt]

which is why it's only marked for new players, mainly for people who have a better chance of pulling something useful out of the boxes than what they're currently using

[forest palm]

new players should be going for the boxes hit or miss they only stand to gain more than they will lose out

[undone plover]

No I get that part
But I think even for newer players who will struggle with the other stuff it can be very bad if u are unlucky
5k tokens is not that cheap

Like what are the rates to get a good (AND CRUCIAL) gear out of them?

5k token for 30% chance on 12 chances?

[whole crypt]

you're also likely to get a better placeholder gear than what you're using for someone new enough

it doesn't even need to be good for some people

[rancid mural]

What should I buy here? Roon?

[undone plover]

Fair enough but do u NEED the placeholder?
I feel like the mk6 gun the game gives u is enough for early on
Then u start getting purple tech boxes

[whole crypt]

as long as you don't end up with a lineup of SGs, cranes and Me-155As

[undone plover]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[chrome fiber]

Mine is full of hell diver and he'll cat 😺

[whole crypt]

helldivers and hellcats are good so

[undone plover]

3 white shells
1-2 black shells
Independence
Cog chips/arrays
Other gear on that list

[chrome fiber]

I mean I don't have any better

[barren tapir]

yeah i definitely would not get tech box even as brand new player before Every and the ships (if they like them)

tech boss is so much scam half the time i get a gold it's a bloody repair crane!

[whole crypt]

which isn't a problem based on the datamine shop priority then

[undone plover]

Well sam does list them as medium prio but anyway my tangent is over

[forest palm]

basically tech boxes are fine for new players, the guide otherwise lists things that are more important

[sweet delta]

Now let's talk about why oil is so far down

[undone plover]

I just dont think u NEED them
Not that they are useless
(They could be useless but it is rng)

[barren tapir]

true i didnt peek at that just venting about the tech boxes

[forest palm]

everything is RNG in this game

[barren tapir]

you could argue oil/coin even is better because new player really lack resources

[stone sluice]

Regarding the fishpack, is it better to use Albacore over Homura?

[barren tapir]

oo datamine mentions coin for newbie nvm all gud

[whole crypt]

I would say oil is top because if you can do oil cap the net result is point-positive

[sweet delta]

Oil is better quite simply because it far more than pays itself back on oil cap, and possibly on not oil cap but idk

[whole crypt]

you can run T4 on Ranger/Phoenix so there's that

[barren tapir]

yeah i would put oil as high, and coin as high for newbie. even without oil cap it is basically discounted exp to ships, very useful for a newbie

[chrome fiber]

Should I develop hakuryuu or anchorage first?

[sweet delta]

No big difference

[whole crypt]

normally Anchorage because it's likely to spend less time sitting around doing nothing

[chrome fiber]

👍

[barren tapir]

id also argue to move augment core to medium just bc theyre such a slow trickle and each unique requires 15. newbie shouldnt prio them, but its good to grab them when you can imo

[whole crypt]

just don't make unique augments

[barren tapir]

some are very useful tho

[chrome fiber]

It's not recommend? I am currently doing it on all

[sweet delta]

It's certainly not recommended for all

[barren tapir]

considering hood gets highly recommended all the time and needs her augment to be good i do think aug core should be medium priority

[whole crypt]

they're also very expensive depending on which stretch of progression you're on

[sweet delta]

Some are good and some are not so good

[rancid mural]

The real prize of this event getting 1.7k gold every run

[whole crypt]

you get more out of running ch12

[chrome fiber]

e... My problem with it are the coins

[barren tapir]

youll love world 11+

[whole crypt]

also I don't get the luxury of clear rewards with lowcosting

[sweet delta]

That is also a doubled clearing reward

[whole crypt]

that's what I thought

[barren tapir]

but yeah that's just my 2cent, aug core can be very useful for some ship, low priority feels a bit scuffed

[whole crypt]

didn't think T5 or 6 would drop that much without a HELP

[barren tapir]

yeah thats a help

[rancid mural]

Yea it's 2x

[whole crypt]

I'm just skipping T5/6 because my bottleneck isn't earning XP

[sweet delta]

The 1 cent augment isn't worth

[barren tapir]

[whole crypt]

wasn't that one of the U-boat's aug

it actually increases oxy, that's not so bad... except purple wolf 🚮

[sweet delta]

20 oxy ↔️ 10% crit, it's basically just banking (sorry) on the new barrage

Oh +12 rld too

[whole crypt]

eh, doesn't it help compensate for the lower RLD to get reloads out

[sweet delta]

So it is definitely better, just purple as you said

[whole crypt]

if not for the aug it's probably impossible for 557 to use G7es

bidders probably not affected anyway so... purple wolf 🚮

[rancid mural]

Time to set this argument to rest

[sweet delta]

Bidders are affected but not always due to RNG

[rancid mural]

Any of these good

I dunno which gear is good or bad

[whole crypt]

hellcat is good
purple twin 127 can placehold DD gun if your DD guns are shit for new players
filter meh
bulge situational but rarely a new player use case

[rancid mural]

Alright much obliged

[whole crypt]

and if you really want to test any number of the 👴 here can just open boxes for the sake of testing

Shiratsuyu was one of those getting aug next right?

[spring scarab]

Is it Musashi rerun after the maintenance or any other event?

[whole crypt]

no event after this coming maintenance, Musashi rerun is after the next one

[atomic abyss]

yeah it was a typo in the calc
she was getting 2000% FP as opposed to 20%

[tame jungle]

20x not 20%

[atomic abyss]

yeah

20x instead of 20% lol

[barren tapir]

quite good rng, 1 real W, and 3 passable transitional gears (passable DD gun, meh toolbox replacement if you dont have enough, and decent but niche tank equip (helps on torp spammy bosses mainly)

[left cedar]

the transitional is open to a debate here

cuz the chance i recommend any of this 2 aux is shit low ...

the gun ... yeah, in a scrap the barrel mode maybe i will recommend that

[stone sluice]

Musashi rerun soon has been confirmed?

[cobalt rapids]

yes next week

[stone sluice]

[whole crypt]

already listed in upcoming from JP notes

[stark quiver]

Huh

[sweet delta]

Yes, ban the people who asserted she had zero chance of returning in 2024

[whole crypt]

chances are next week given the timeline for collab

[stark quiver]

Ah, so my hope has been well placed

[left cedar]

the bait for collab and late year UR is comming hard

[whole crypt]

well, no idea when opconv will rerun now

[left cedar]

time to prepare ur souls to answer the same thing about cubes farm thousan time per day

[cobalt rapids]

when devs want it

[barren tapir]

well some hp > no hp is my thinking and toolkit can be a little scarce early on. it depends on event map drops tho

[stark quiver]

When does this event end

[stone sluice]

No blueprints coining for PR5 yet, right?
What's best augment for Tai Yuan?

[undone plover]

Sometime in march most likely
There are a few other slots

[barren tapir]

i also used the torp bulge on portland for w10 and w11 and it helped more than blue eva

[stark quiver]

In any situations would I wanna run 2 Sashi guns with bbs and 1 cv like for meta fights?

[left cedar]

imagine waste plates in a shit when u have almost none resourcers into something that it will be low to none use in a week maybe less depending on luck/time played ...

[barren tapir]

oh you dont upgrade them past +3 but theyre far more useful than an empty slot and you can do worse

[whole crypt]

not really for current or past METAs, can't say for sure for future ones but the chances are slim

[left cedar]

iirc, about the TRP reduction .... is even worse, specially when can be geared only by CL or biggers and Navycamo/Blue Rudder exist ...

[barren tapir]

its just my experience, w9-11 torp bulge helped a lot for portland in auto ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark quiver]

So cvs will still be preferred I guess, good for me then, only have 1 sashi gun with rerun

[whole crypt]

even if BB is preferred you won't be using 2 yamato guns

[barren tapir]

and yes i tested both blue + torp vs double blue and the latter had chance of death

[whole crypt]

the point isn't CVs are preferred, the point is 460 has shit timing

[cobalt rapids]

i will be using two 460s

[whole crypt]

not saying you can't

[stark quiver]

Didn’t do event for first sashi run 💀

[whole crypt]

but we've already gone by past METAs with 1 or no yamato guns, maybe we'll get one in the future that favours BBs and twin 460s get a working timing whatever the third ship is

[cobalt rapids]

i mean you can get by yea but 460 is still good situationally
like in nagam for example

[whole crypt]

I'm on CVs for Nagato so

[cobalt rapids]

i wasnt on CVs till my amagi was done

[whole crypt]

I can't remember what I was using before Amagi but fairly sure it didn't involve 460

[forest palm]

I've been too lazy to change comps outside of gear

[keen comet]

Guys, do you think I should change something on my Bismarck to make it stronger?

[whole crypt]

but yeh now triple IJN is probably the most reliable

[left cedar]

as expected from me, i'm with FdG comp... and no, not using 460 ...

[left cedar]

make her Zwei ... cuz this one is ... very sad how bad she is

[velvet slate]

the best AA weapon for a battleship is STAAG

[keen comet]

I don't have Zwei

[left cedar]

seens like historical thing, exeptions its a FdG gun instead Bisc gun ...

[sweet delta]

Where's fumo

[barren tapir]

change the ship

AA to staag at least

[whole crypt]

not using Bismarck would be good for a start
shells can be +13 but I assume you're not doing enough OS or any OS at all
HPFCR or AFCT is good to replace one shell usually black
rainbow CL gun best for BB secondary
STAAG for AA
main gun depends on what you're doing

[barren tapir]

also officer sword augment is usually preferred?

[sweet delta]

And that's a bowgun plus HE gun

[left cedar]

imo Sword when hit is needed or light enemy, but generally when hit is need, them its a light enemy, so Bowgun if not needing HIT stats or heavy it a better choice

[whole crypt]

yeh bowgun + HE gun is kind of sad

even not considering hit you're using a gun good against light with an aug that reduces light damage

[keen comet]

Noted

[sweet delta]

Maybe an argument is that it increases heavy damage, offering a truly balanced gun for General content

[whole crypt]

but yeh, best idea is to just use a better BB, but even if you want to stick with OG Bis there's plenty of headroom

[sweet delta]

Since you're already here it's probably fine, but I will remind you that reddit is a terrible place to get gameplay help because people there unironically recommend Bismarck for her barrage

[left cedar]

DAFUK?!
Bisc OG, BARRAGE !?

[barren tapir]

i recommend bismarck if you like her and don't have zwei does that count

[left cedar]

naaah, u are joking, right?
say u are, please

[barren tapir]

obviously with the understanding that she is a very subpar ship kek

[whole crypt]

was about to ask which reddit, but I'm pretty sure there are people who do it on both of them

[left cedar]

if u are really setted to use her, and have to be her, no matter how bad she is, and there really no chance of swapping her ... them i would recommend her with KMS CVs ... if there any that is worth ... so i wouldnt recommend her anyway

[sweet delta]

Bis AvP Bisz was a consistent one shot fleet for algerie meta, does that count?

[barren tapir]

i mean she should be ok for general content just avoid hard/endgame content

[cobalt rapids]

like all ships

[left cedar]

so she is in the same lvl than pratically anything ...

[whole crypt]

there is no general content, just content that's too easy to matter

[cobalt rapids]

general content is the content u do in general aka opsi mobbing w12 grinding and event grind

[left cedar]

cuz my Thurin is there in my Guild Boss doing her job majestically ... bufing my FdG and being one of my mostly loved waifus

[velvet slate]

thats basically everything besides chapter 15, Arbiter hard and some meta fights, so as a whole he will be fine usign her if he likes her

[whole crypt]

but 15 is easier than 14

[crimson glacier]

i dont think so

[left cedar]

my lazyness saying that is impossible ...
cuz i'm trully lazy to bones to 3* my 15-4 cuz is a pain play that shitty its boring, and take too long to safe it

[whole crypt]

and if that's your argument she's also fine to use for harb, as long as you're not expecting to oneshot her

[velvet slate]

yeh thats cap, 14 was far easier than 15

[storm heron]

pretty sure one can farm 2 vanguards in 14-4 safe

[left cedar]

also i wanna remeber that i did clear 14 with KMS only ships, all 15 ...
but i fail misserable in 15 ...

[whole crypt]

that's because KMS carriers and AA is shit

[barren tapir]

someone did kms w15 i think

[crimson glacier]

i didnt fail at kms w15

[barren tapir]

manual ofc though

[whole crypt]

didn't stig do it

[left cedar]

yeah, Sushi .. my sucessor

[crimson glacier]

i didnt try it either tho 🙂

[velvet slate]

yeh there's a video of that being done indeed

[barren tapir]

very admirable

[hollow gust]

I called Bismarck a bad ship on Reddit yesterday and a dude wrote paragraphs saying I shouldn't be so vague

[sweet delta]

[whole crypt]

OG Bis is also going to be pretty ass for 14 anyway with those secondaries

[barren tapir]

i pulled up her page when we discuss her and yeah those aux gun look really really bad

[forest palm]

sounds like the average redditor

[eager mulch]

[cobalt rapids]

turtle revived

[forest palm]

[storm heron]

oh wait turtle joined back

[whole crypt]

the one without the e basically has very few people who give a shit about correcting gameplay shit

[little tree]

Huge win your back turtle

[left cedar]

here i agree with u in 200% ... rare ocasion when we agree about KMS ships

[barren tapir]

expecting anything from a reddit was your first mistake

[whole crypt]

for the record even using USS 137 won't save Bismarck for 14 because she's literally missing 1 secondary mount even if you're not using CL guns

[forest palm]

a ship from 2019 sucks surprising

[barren tapir]

and 180% efficiency which is far below average as well

[crimson glacier]

wtf is USS 137

[barren tapir]

tho the missing gun is much bigger but the efficiency certainly does her no favors

[tame jungle]

The gear lab dd gun

[cobalt rapids]

these

[crimson glacier]

makes sense, just look how thin those barrels are

[hollow gust]

The azurstarshine dude barley knows what hes talking about , scolded me about not knowing how to sync , despite him never correctly syncing a cv fleet , then pulls bullshit about not giving enough info on a reddit comment

[barren tapir]

i was gonna add sara but i dont have an emoji of her D: (ty faerlein :3)

[eager mulch]

is there a not USS 137?

[forest palm]

single 138?

[whole crypt]

the people who bother with gameplay advice at all on that one are significantly more casual, you can probably follow what they say and get by till 12 or 13 I guess, then just fall off completely for anything that's actually hard

[eager mulch]

average ectl general chat resident

[inner delta]

[velvet slate]

tbf there's bad advice to be found everywhere, ive seen people even here tell others they NEED 10+ flapjacks before even trying W15 when in fact you dont even need flapjacks (even though they are the best option)

[whole crypt]

some people are just overly cautious after reading horror stories of ch15 planes blotting out the sun

[hollow gust]

300-500+ plane diff

[sweet delta]

~~Who wouldn't be cautious when 6 year YouTuber had to manual to win ~~

[whole crypt]

and at that point I don't see why stop at +10 anyway
a fair lot of 👴 just wrapped up 15 before crafting "enough" flapjacks and topping the enhancement

[barren tapir]

10+ as in 10 flapjacks i think

[velvet slate]

yeh 10 or more flapjacks is what i meant

[whole crypt]

I think I had 2-3 flapjacks, already had a couple +13 tigercats by that point

[sweet delta]

Me too with the first part but not the second

[velvet slate]

ive 3 starred 15-4 and 15-3 with nothing but +10 hellcats :))

[cobalt rapids]

i only had 11 flapjacks

[whole crypt]

well not all the tigercats I used were +13, but you plainly didn't need all of the fighter slots to be flaps anyway

[whole crypt]

off the top of my head hellcat AA is actually better than tigercat, just worse surface damage

[velvet slate]

yeh much better for AA indeed

[wary timber]

but arent flapjacks better all round regardless...

[velvet slate]

and is very easy to acquire and quite common

[undone plover]

Is flap aa better than wyvern aa ?

[velvet slate]

wyvern cant intercept from support and can be equipped in a different type of slot so im not sure the comparison is even worth it

[undone plover]

Yeah ik that I meant for main fleet

[whole crypt]

same guns as tigercats so worse per round than hellcats, but faster intercept cooldown
but you're also missing hellcats being usable out of the box without needing the lab

[barren tapir]

ok ive seen it all someone saying suzunami is decent

[forest palm]

I forgot she even existed

[soft raft]

Who's Suzunami again?
Sounds like some rare rarity DD

[velvet slate]

tigercats are signficantly worse than flapjacks in spite of having same guns because they fly faster

[cobalt rapids]

just another blue rarity cat

[soft raft]

ah so even more forgettable

[forest palm]

oh she's a torp support ok, I see why one might say she has value

[barren tapir]

purple dd from amagi cv event

i do find her useful for torp stat padding given limited options as a newer player but as an actual ship she's pretty meh imo

[whole crypt]

there's that yes, but mainly just that hellcats are usable out of the box, both tigercats and flaps cost you in lab

[barren tapir]

like shes not the absolute worst but i wouldnt say she is decent either

[whole crypt]

their line for decent is "I can casually use this in most of the shit I bother doing" decent

[rancid mural]

What does this mean

[forest palm]

touch grass

[cobalt rapids]

let ur ships recover their morale

[eager mulch]

is suzunami samheart levels of decent?

[barren tapir]

give your ships a break don't be a bully

[undone plover]

It means their morale is 0
U farmed too much
Let them rest and put them in dorm

[rancid mural]

Oh

[whole crypt]

your ships are tired and will hate you if you make them keep fighting

[forest palm]

this is like the only thing of value on Suzunami

[rancid mural]

Oh is that the red

[stark quiver]

indeed it is

[whole crypt]

better than many DDs who I can't even point to anything of value

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

you're not wrong

[barren tapir]

i did consider maybe they value her potential slowing utility but it still seems rather weak

[sweet delta]

Suzunami is like aegir but more consistent ||in terms of slowing on torpedo hit||

[rancid mural]

How much is the morale drain? I only have the boss left

[cobalt rapids]

2 per entry

[stark quiver]

then just do the boss

[barren tapir]

*doubled if using helps

[forest palm]

you lose more affection than you gain, so take that as you will when playing with low morale

[whole crypt]

just take a toilet break, go back to the main menu and come back to finish it

[cobalt rapids]

ull lose several entries worth of affinity

[undone plover]

Is morale regen on 10 min ticks?

[rancid mural]

Ah well it can wait

This is a dumb mechanic

[velvet slate]

make dem waifus hate u 🤣

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Morale

[forest palm]

hence why I said touch grass

[wary timber]

Is it worth putting a tenrai for Amagi or Shinano ? Both my Amagi and Shinano has the exact same loadout

[whole crypt]

Depends™️

[undone plover]

Where are u fighting?

[rancid mural]

Like I'm always "low" on morale, just let me play the damn game!

[barren tapir]

i actually think it's genius because it encourages you to branch out and use more ships. not only does this feel good because you can use more waifus, but it undoubtedly helps manjuu sell more skins since more ships end up used

[velvet slate]

amagi is far better wiht torpedo bombers. Hakuryuu (if u have her) is where u want your best dive bombers

[sweet delta]

Just buy dorm slots...

[forest palm]

if it's for leveling Amagi, just throw a Breguet in that slot

[barren tapir]

all this, while not being overbearing and having pretty reasonable regeneration + ways to accelerate it

[whole crypt]

use dorm to increase morale regen
rotate ships you're using

[wary timber]

I'm preparing for W-13 and beyond.

[rancid mural]

I guess, it just feels punishing

[whole crypt]

also you know, just telling you to take a break as well

[undone plover]

To add to this buy 1 dorm slot and 2nd floor
No more if u are f2p

[barren tapir]

i just balance event/campaign with opsi and they regen morale when im doing opsi easy

[velvet slate]

its only annoying if u really really want 1 particular ship leveled or dont have many ships but in time it wont matter much

[undone plover]

Put in amagi 2nd slot then imo

[whole crypt]

newer players are usually going to be stuck for 2/F for a bit

[barren tapir]

indeed

[whole crypt]

you can't buy 2/F before expanding 1/F floor space completely

[undone plover]

Doesnt change the advice

[barren tapir]

yeah admittedly it's a fair bit rougher until you can unlock 2nd floor

[cobalt rapids]

would be true if the dorm slots loadout and morale 120+ xp bonus don't encourage you otherwise

• theres plenty of incentives on using other ships...like not wasting xp

[wary timber]

I see. Once I get my last Tenrai piece I'll give that tenrai to amagi

[velvet slate]

between shinano and amagi, shinano is better with tenrai

[rancid mural]

I dunno I just zerged it

Maybe I shouldn't have.

[stark quiver]

now just let them rest

[cobalt rapids]

shouldve stopped at 3 slots

[barren tapir]

6 dorm slots i hope you arent f2p

[rancid mural]

I bought the monlthy pass and some beginner bundle

[whole crypt]

still not a lot of spare gems

but no way to get it back so glhf

[rancid mural]

I mean isn't dorm slots and skill slots like "it"

[whole crypt]

at least you can fit a whole fleet now so it is what it is

[cobalt rapids]

u can get it back 💳

[rancid mural]

Like what else are gems for

[cobalt rapids]

/gems in #bot-spam

[whole crypt]

dock slots, a lot of them

[rancid mural]

Can't you buy those with guild points?

[whole crypt]

and the off chance you bother buying skins

[barren tapir]

i suppose you're right. still it's a nice mechanic imo for the waifu part of the game - overworking girls is bad

[whole crypt]

guild tech caps out at 30 slots

[barren tapir]

skill slot i wouldnt buy. do dock space even if light spender

[barren tapir]

only 30

[rancid mural]

Ah

[barren tapir]

and they take a while to buy if you're also buying good stuff in the guild shop each reset (im only up to 8/30 rn)

[chrome fiber]

I'm jealous

Next month

[whole crypt]

as long as they're in the green

[barren tapir]

yeah i stop when they turn orange or shortly before

if i have time to be patient i keep them in sparkly by alternating maps and opsi

[whole crypt]

I don't exactly recommend it for everyone, morale bonus is nice, I just have no use of it and I'm only concerned about getting affinity on the way up

[barren tapir]

all is good as long as you don't red face that's abuse

[wary timber]

is the Prinz Adalbert better than Prinz Heinrich by a little?

[whole crypt]

red face is counterproductive because you also half XP
and it takes me further away from 100-affinity on everyone (besides oaths)

[eager mulch]

and annoying button popups

[chrome fiber]

Can I stop at the red face? Like when it say it will drop point if I continue. Or is that already to late

[whole crypt]

well maybe one fine day you too will reach a point of being annoyed that ships hit 120 before affinity fills up

[inner delta]

game will say when you should stop

[chrome fiber]

Yeah

[whole crypt]

the pop up comes up when you hit 0 morale and pauses your auto

[chrome fiber]

No overwork time

[rancid mural]

You get this, it pauses auto

[chrome fiber]

Ik my question is. Will it be better to stop before that pop up. Or it make no difference

[barren tapir]

i think it stops when they hit 0 which is when any future battle will incur penalties

[inner delta]

you are safe to stop at warning

[chrome fiber]

[undone plover]

If u have the time to do this as a new player it is more optimal to farm when morale is >120
Basically do a triple sortie at 150 morale then wait one hour then do it again etc
But not everyone has the time to do this

[chrome fiber]

Reason?

[rancid mural]

20% exp bonus

[chrome fiber]

ahh

[rancid mural]

It's just a mechanic for new players who don't really have access to great ships

Otherwise could easily swap to different teams

[wary timber]

What's the better gun for Anchorage? Assuming I'm using the gun for all purposes and all armor types

[chrome fiber]

What's the next up coming event?

[undone plover]

musashi rerun 14/11 probably
then to love ru collab one week after that (also probably)

the events are confirmed just the dates are not 100% (but most likely correct )

[wary timber]

hmm is Musashi good

[crimson glacier]

best BB in the game for campaign

[lone knoll]

shinano amagi cv entry sirius helena anchorage is a decent cv fleet for opSi?

[crimson glacier]

sure

[lone knoll]

who should I try to change there?

[crimson glacier]

enty for avp or imp

[lone knoll]

enty for avp then

[crimson glacier]

its always really good to have someone who can stop the enemy, so you guarantee your torps hitting

[lone knoll]

yeah i really need avp

my next research ship for sure

[undone siren]

U-37 > U-47 for Wolfpack?

Sorry, let me reword
U-37 is one of the three subs that make up the best Wolfpack right?

[undone plover]

Yes to both questions
I think it was sth like a 5% difference

[undone siren]

Thanks

[queen jackal]

is she a mobber or boss

[hollow gust]

Both

[queen jackal]

how about fdg

[hollow gust]

Well both? Although in late game stages shes stuck in w14 mob

[queen jackal]

i guess im destined for my limited URS to only be foxes

[hollow gust]

Doesn't mean you don't get her

If you are poor then you use the worse rainbow

[queen jackal]

nono im developing her rn i just didnt know where to put her when done

[little tree]

Would I replace that purple with a 155?

[storm heron]

155 kai yes

since the CB gun fulfills NP equip requirement

[little tree]

Is a normal 155 okay

[storm heron]

[little tree]

My only 155 kai is on jda

[storm heron]

Remember when Kasic says that "the game is not that complex"?
well iirc 155 and 155 kai main difference is in the spread type, one is fixed and one is random spread

and that alone makes their uses different

[queen jackal]

yea the gear lab one has random spread

[storm heron]

Volley time and RoF is also contributes to the differences

cmiiw ofc idk how to simulate anything more complex than basic calculations like ammo modifier and numerical stats

[little tree]

Is there anyway to know that without testing that it has random or fixed spread

[storm heron]

There is a spread type property written in the weapon's

[little tree]

Gotcha

[queen jackal]

any reason the tier list has CA's on ap guns in general over he or does it not matter and still situational

[viscid swift]

no clue tbh, ask in ECTL server

[storm heron]

maybe because the dangerous (edit:campaign) enemies are usually heavy armor, or other vanguard guns (CL or DD guns) have modifier skewed towards light and medium so heavy armor buster is needed (edit: ok nvm maybe I'm wrong I thought Agir and Kron gun is CA gun lol, correction would be CA gun modifiers are weird)

[sweet delta]

I have a clue but ask in ectl server

Alternatively, ask the question again here but not in the context of ectl

[queen jackal]

yea i figured the bulky ca would be in harder content so ap seems sound 😅

[queen jackal]

im not sure what this means

should i say how come CA's usually run ap guns over he?

[storm heron]

I usually run normal but ok

[crimson glacier]

coz AP pierces

[sweet delta]

Good guns are good. For CAs, HE is only better than AP against light armor. And there are a lot of good AP guns

[crimson glacier]

and med is super common

[sweet delta]

Tldr read /equip but if you want "calculations" then check https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X4hafXGXiqSgaIJdcWA3La7rvZCFVJZzZ44GqyQ_Fxo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[lone knoll]

is the gold F4U worth for avp ? or am I wasting core data

since low reload

[undone plover]

there are other priorities to get
U would basically only use it for timing purposes but there are also other cheaper ways to time stuff

[storm heron]

the low reload is probably the reason you don't wanna use it for avp

[undone plover]

I think kear is the only shipgirl that MIGHT occassionally benefit from it but I am not sure tbh I am no kear expert

[storm heron]

dw I just need 250 more bps

[lone knoll]

okay i wont get it

[undone plover]

check /coredata if u want to know what to buy
TLDR is 3 white shells > 1-2 black shells > independence > chips/arrays/other gear if u need it

[lone knoll]

so this can temporarlly work on her (need one iron blood airplane)

[undone plover]

ideally u want this later on

the rocket fighter is not that good in campaign

[lone knoll]

i can craft the last one I think

[lone knoll]

ideally she would be used alongside amagi on a boss comp

i can craft it but i dont have the blue ship needed...

i will craft the right one and one more pancake then

[undone plover]

the rocket plane is good vs medium/light armor enemies but it lacks AA capabilities
in campaign even for bossing u kinda want the AA the normal fighters give

[undone plover]

no need for pancake exactly
any 500-1000 lb bomb fighter plane works

[lone knoll]

okok ill see what I have

im assuming gear boxes..?

[storm heron]

gear boxes can give he-50bs

[undone plover]

like this

[lone knoll]

I can do that

[lone knoll]

the rest i need to craft up?

[undone plover]

the he-50b plane is from T2/T3 ironblood tech boxes specifically

[lone knoll]

ok got it

[lone knoll]

still need gold cats I have 1

in months of playing I have 1 gold cat

[undone plover]

flapjack is cool but save your electronics for wyverns now

[undone plover]

this event gives 2 very good gold cats
get them

[lone knoll]

gold catapults*

[undone plover]

oh

[lone knoll]

stem cats my bad

I have a total of 2

[undone plover]

well they come from research and T4 boxes
eventually u will have a lot

[lone knoll]

hope so

all my cv's are on purple aux steam cats

[hollow gust]

I have like 40

[storm heron]

14 cats, 2 beacons, a feather, a manjuu

[lone knoll]

hopefully ill have that many eventually

[undone plover]

what is the meta triple carrier opsi mob fleet?

[storm heron]

uni amagiCV akagiM

[chrome fiber]

Will sao be gone if the banner goes away. Is she also limited? I'm just missing her

[storm heron]

dw though, I don't have ghind too

[chrome fiber]

I just luv collect stuff. It feels off

[storm heron]

some even argued you'll be better of not having her, you saved 1 dock space or 20 diamonds

[tame jungle]

[storm heron]

I mean 20 gems

[sweet delta]

She's not good but she will be back later

[chrome fiber]

[sweet delta]

Aquila/chise>formimu, uni/Perseus, Luna/someAkagi/impero/independence

[undone plover]

so aquila, uni, luna is top pick?
can it do strongholds

[spring bolt]

luna >= bearn meta > akagi muse = impero > indep
yes

[undone plover]

bearn meta > indep

[storm heron]

even bar as low as alsace uni soyuz guam taiyuan laffeyR works in 150 150 90

[undone plover]

i assume all of this cause it is faster right?
and aquila in preload mode?

[undone plover]

i wouldnt say double BB is a low bar

[spring bolt]

yeah indep will slow down the clear speed

[trim path]

what's the preferred fleet tech to focus for each hull type?

[spring bolt]

normally, by the time the 2nd takeoffs from rest half preload carriers is launched, the fight is over, including stronghold bosses

[undone plover]

CV/BB RLD > ACC > AVI/FP
Cruiser Evasion
Frontline FP

[trim path]

👌

[undone plover]

I didnt understand doggo's emotes
so aquila is in healing mode?

[spring bolt]

preload mode

[storm heron]

Wait why though

Is it just because aquila is the strongest CV that in terms of dealing damage in 20s

[spring bolt]

for fast clear
i mean, you don't need the heal while uni has preload heal and usually fight ends in less 20s

she has the strongest preload

[little tree]

Is it more important to have the 155 kai on the back line or front line for w 14 I have 6 ships that need it and top secrets are scarse till end of month

[storm heron]

top secrets

what are the ships that needs it, maybe there is some workaround if you wanna rush w14

[little tree]

Jda kron vanguard fdg are the important ones

[storm heron]

what about the CL gun options you have?

[spring bolt]

155 kai for backlines as vanguards use rainbow 152
vanguards can use alternative cl guns and they will be fine in most cases

[little tree]

I believe they are poverty at best

[storm heron]

dang

[little tree]

Gold twin 203

Basically poverty

[spring bolt]

? twin 203 is a CA gun

[little tree]

I flirted by cl and they stayed my bad

[storm heron]

I'm like so confused on why saint louis gun is crafted from it

only hai chi class CLs can ue that CA gun

[little tree]

~~ im fucking stupid ~~

[little tree]

What kron and jda can use

[storm heron]

thw twin 150 tbtsk is good iirc

[spring bolt]

looks like localization issue, or game design issue...
anyway, even in extreme poverty, you can still use a purple tbtsk for ships like jda and you will be fine

[little tree]

Filter was not helpful

[storm heron]

wait what where is CA Main Gun filter

bug?

[spring bolt]

yeah, it's yostar's fault...
in CN the tag is "medium caliber gun"

[earnest crag]

How do I beat main campaign stage 3-4? I'm having a hard time clearing this stage

[eager mulch]

One fleet

[storm heron]

/guide

[odd root]

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Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
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Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[eager mulch]

stuck on 3-4 giving me flashbacks to 11-3

[little tree]

Use the purple twin 150's till ur gun then ?

[storm heron]

Hey I was used to stuck at 3-4

[storm heron]

tbh that is not ideal, use tbtsk until you have better gold options

[little tree]

I'm sorry I'm not sure what the tbtsk? Is

[gilded carbon]

i will need to get better Torp-Bombers, probably. And Some gear-lvl.

or is there anything else that needs replacement?

[soft raft]

Gearing is heavily context dependent so it depends

[gilded carbon]

mostly for Boss-Fights in Campaign currently

[soft raft]

Would prob ditch that augment for the scepter but otherwise, works good enough

[spring bolt]

this loadout is ok for her to farm levels in ch 12

[gilded carbon]

when i have the money to craft one, sure

[lone knoll]

I will have 7 ur bulins by the time musashi is here, is it wise to mlb musashi now and shinano next month or do I keep saving ur bulins

[storm heron]

idk how much damage 0lb musashi loses to mlb musashi

[eager mulch]

too much

[lone knoll]

I will 100% mlb musashi tho the second I get her

[eager mulch]

[soft raft]

MLB Musashi first
Then I'd prob wait until the Dec UR drops before you commit any Bullins for Shinano but you can continue using perma pity to get Shinano dupes

[lone knoll]

Is it confirmed that we get another ur in december? i wanted to put shinano and amagiCv comp to work

[soft raft]

No official confirmation yet but it's extremely likely going off of the last three years as precedent

[lone knoll]

waiting too much to mlb shinano maybe she loses value

[lone knoll]

okay I will wait then

do they release a specific ship type on rotation? like we just had UR CV, whasts next? 100% random?

[soft raft]

Eh she's still been relevant ever since she came out, and Amagi CV didn't really creep her

[soft raft]

There is no pattern

[lone knoll]

okay

[lone knoll]

they really help each other out and I'm lacking good ships, but I'll wait till december UR is out

[soft raft]

Well ig the closest thing we have to a pattern is that JP Anniv/Sept UR is almost exclusively Sakura but that's really it

[lone knoll]

have we ever gotten back to back BB's for example?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[lone knoll]

who were they?

[viscid swift]

Vanguard, Musashi

Soyuz, Alsace

[lone knoll]

okay, is vanguard very good or just good?

[tame jungle]

vanguard is the enablerrrr

[soft raft]

Very good utility
She also already reran earlier this year

[lone knoll]

rip for me

[viscid swift]

We've also had back to back CVs in the form of Yorktown 2 and Implacable

[lone knoll]

ok so it really is random okay

so we can get another UR cv in december

[storm heron]

yes can, how likely no body nows

[viscid swift]

Yes, just about anything could happen

Not that it matters too much anyway

[lone knoll]

okay I will save, hopefully musashi can carry me in opSi

[storm heron]

Have we had UR CL gacha?

[soft raft]

No

[lone knoll]

And ur dd?

oh shimazake right

[soft raft]

We've had 1 Gacha UR DD and 2 Shop UR DDs

[lone knoll]

shop UR is a crazy concept, they do really give out stuff like candy